From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 03:50:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0nHD-0000IAa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 03:48 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Eastman, Glass Craft, etc. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 06:54:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199703011148.GAA01473@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The other day, Lee Boe mentioned an Eastman newsletter and Glass Craft Conference in San Francisco, plus he suggested that info about them should be on the IGGA page. Yes, that info *should be there, but it's not. Las Vegas Management, which operates the events, has never responded to our requests that they update the information about those events for the Sources Guide, so the only info we have is old, I'm sorry to say. It's really frustrating, I'll have to admit, to send out requests and to offer free publication and promotion of such events, only to have the people involved not take the time to even respond. But short of flying out and tying a pencil to their hands, I'm at a loss to know what to do. Any ideas? Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 09:01:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0s9o-0000Bha; Sat, 1 Mar 97 09:01 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Management Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 12:01:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.7146.0> References: <<3318603E.605C@ebtech.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert, I also had trouble getting info from this outfit. Before Christmas i had called them for info about the Vegas show but they never did reply. Even after i called their 800 number and they assured me the brochure would be sent I did not get it. a friend of mine requested the info package when he was in vegas in late January and then i finally got it. Seems they really don't want our business that badly!! I will be going so will take copy of your note and that of Dawn's and will try to give it to somebody in charge if possible. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 09:13:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0sKj-0000BDa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 09:12 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Last Minute Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 09:08:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.1853.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For all of you that have waited to the last minute to vote, it is now the last minute to vote. Today is the deadline for voting and the results will be on here tomorrow. Thanks. Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 09:34:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0sfY-0000CVa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 09:34 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: spellcheckers Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 12:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.73441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee Boe, Check with your internet provider as they may have an add on spell checker you can download. Also check any of the search engines as there are some available for downloading. One site I just saw was www.hlbtech.com/download.htm Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 09:57:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0t28-00005da; Sat, 1 Mar 97 09:57 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: spellcheckers Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 09:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.15340.0> References: <<1997Mar1.73441.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There is a Spellchecker available for Netscape 2.0 and 3.0 e-mail called Cyberspell. It is downloadable free for a month or can be purchased from the Netscape store for 24.95. It even recognizes the emoticons. I just ordered it and I believe Joyce already has it. Bonnie Clark Doug Scale wrote: > > Lee Boe, > > Check with your internet provider as they may have an add on spell > checker you can download. Also check any of the search engines as there > are some available for downloading. One site I just saw was > www.hlbtech.com/download.htm > > Doug Scale > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 10:50:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0tqw-0000DCa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 10:49 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: spellcheckers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:56:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199703011849.NAA16587@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > There is a Spellchecker available for Netscape 2.0 and 3.0 e-mail called > Cyberspell. It is downloadable free for a month or can be purchased > from the Netscape store for 24.95. Gist remember thought spill chuckers only chick wards won at a thyme. Thy due knot solve awl of the problems of pour spelling skills, knot to mention the question of sin tax and context. (All of the above words are spelled correctly.) Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 10:50:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0tqw-0000B8a; Sat, 1 Mar 97 10:49 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Management Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:56:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199703011849.NAA16600@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I will be going so will take copy of your note and that of Dawn's and > will try to give it to somebody in charge if possible. Yes, maybe if we gang up on them. albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 14:33:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0xJs-0000Fha; Sat, 1 Mar 97 14:31 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199703012231.RAA27983@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We got a call from a fellow here in Southern California, who's looking for a commercial outfit that could handle a special polishing task for a glass art project he's developing. He got my name from Glass Art, as the contact for the IGGA, so I reckon we're getting some exposure in that venue. He wants them to be able to cut 1 1/2" thick art glass (Schott glass from PA as I remember) to his dimensions, and then flat polish these solid rectangular shapes. These blocks of glass don't need to be beveled, but all of the faces of these 3" or so shapes need to be highly ground and polished, as per his specifications. I told him that while I didn't have any specific information, I'd post a note here to the Board, and in the Crafts Forum, and see if anybody had any ideas or possible contacts for this sort of project. From what I understand, he's looking to do some volume in these shapes, it's not a onesy-twosy sort of thing, and he wants to find a commercial polisher that can process his orders in a reasonable time frame. So, if you've got any ideas, just post them to me, and I'll forward them along. He's not "online", but I'm happy to act as intermediary. Gerry Phibbs, Chairman passed along by Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 14:44:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0xUR-0000Fka; Sat, 1 Mar 97 14:42 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: spellcheckers Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 17:43:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.124324.0> References: <<199703011849.NAA16587@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > Albert, Sum of us are jest lousy tipers, not necesarily lousy spellers!;-} ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 14:52:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0xct-00004pa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 14:51 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 17:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.124948.0> References: <<199703012231.RAA27983@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > We got a call from a fellow here in Southern California, who's looking for a > commercial outfit that could handle a special polishing task for a glass art > project he's developing. He got my name from Glass Art, as the contact for the > IGGA, so I reckon we're getting some exposure in that venue. > He wants them to be able to cut 1 1/2" thick art glass (Schott glass from PA > as I remember) to his dimensions, and then flat polish these solid rectangular > shapes. These blocks of glass don't need to be beveled, but all of the faces > of these 3" or so shapes need to be highly ground and polished, as per his > specifications. > I told him that while I didn't have any specific information, I'd post a note > here to the Board, and in the Crafts Forum, and see if anybody had any ideas or > possible contacts for this sort of project. > From what I understand, he's looking to do some volume in these shapes, it's > not a onesy-twosy sort of thing, and he wants to find a commercial polisher > that can process his orders in a reasonable time frame. > So, if you've got any ideas, just post them to me, and I'll forward them > along. He's not "online", but I'm happy to act as intermediary. > > Gerry Phibbs, Chairman > > passed along > by Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe someone who polishes lenses, they should be able to at least polish it. are the sides going to curve, or are these going to be some kind of paper waeight, with stratight sides? i guess anyone that bevels glass should be able to polish it, he'll need a glass band saw (larger than the one we've been all talking about), to cut out the glass accuratley. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 14:58:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0xiX-0000G8a; Sat, 1 Mar 97 14:57 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:03:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199703012257.RAA29542@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > maybe someone who polishes lenses, they should be able to at least > polish it. are the sides going to curve, or are these going to be some > kind of paper waeight, with stratight sides? i guess anyone that bevels > glass should be able to polish it, he'll need a glass band saw (larger > than the one we've been all talking about), to cut out the glass > accuratley. Yeah, I think so ... at 1-1/2" thickness. I haven't a clue what they're intended for; I just passed the message from Gerry along. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 15:02:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0xle-0000Dja; Sat, 1 Mar 97 15:00 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 17:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.125844.0> References: <<1997Mar1.124948.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > We got a call from a fellow here in Southern California, who's looking for a > > commercial outfit that could handle a special polishing task for a glass art > > project he's developing. He got my name from Glass Art, as the contact for the > > IGGA, so I reckon we're getting some exposure in that venue. > > He wants them to be able to cut 1 1/2" thick art glass (Schott glass from PA > > as I remember) to his dimensions, and then flat polish these solid rectangular > > shapes. These blocks of glass don't need to be beveled, but all of the faces > > of these 3" or so shapes need to be highly ground and polished, as per his > > specifications. > > I told him that while I didn't have any specific information, I'd post a note > > here to the Board, and in the Crafts Forum, and see if anybody had any ideas or > > possible contacts for this sort of project. > > From what I understand, he's looking to do some volume in these shapes, it's > > not a onesy-twosy sort of thing, and he wants to find a commercial polisher > > that can process his orders in a reasonable time frame. > > So, if you've got any ideas, just post them to me, and I'll forward them > > along. He's not "online", but I'm happy to act as intermediary. > > > > Gerry Phibbs, Chairman > > > > passed along > > by Albert > > > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > > International Guild of Glass Artists > > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > maybe someone who polishes lenses, they should be able to at least > polish it. are the sides going to curve, or are these going to be some > kind of paper waeight, with stratight sides? i guess anyone that bevels > glass should be able to polish it, he'll need a glass band saw (larger > than the one we've been all talking about), to cut out the glass > accuratley. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - More Tips and Techniques > - How to Fix Mistakes > - The History of My Shop > - My Adventures of Mold Making > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i know i'm reponding to myself, but i thought of another way to cut the stuff, try using a water jet saw. i don't know what the thickest it can cut, but it's worth a look. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 15:40:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0yNL-0000DYa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 15:39 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: W-C Comes Through Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.183811.0> References: <<1997Feb28.84328.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Hilary, > Glad to hear you will be visiting us again! You will be able to enjoy > our glass clinic which begins at 11:00 am. They are usually on foiling > techniques, glass demonstations, how-to-do things, whatever interests > the customers that day. I would like to know what time you will be > arriving. Maybe we could meet and we could set up a tour. Let me know! > Elenie Elenie- Thanks so much for the tour! It was wonderful seeing all the things going on at Warner-C. It was also really great that you helped NOT make a liar out of me. I had been going on so much about your store that I'm sure my friends thought that I was in major exageration mode. Angelo and his demos were great! Some of the things that he showed us I wish I had known a year ago. Is there sort of a schedule for what he is going to be set up for demos? I would really like to some up when he is set up for caming. The only negative is that I spent too much money and my husband is a little down in the mouth about it. ;-( Too bad. He cheered up when I showed him the glass I got for the prairie lamp for his office! :-) Thanks again. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 16:17:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0ywc-0000Gsa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 16:16 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: spellcheckers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:31:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199703020016.AAA06893@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wonderful , Albert!! Great example! And you are absolutely right. Had to "chuckle" and could not resist a riposte.. ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby > There is a Spellchecker available for Netscape 2.0 and 3.0 e-mail called > Cyberspell. It is downloadable free for a month or can be purchased > from the Netscape store for 24.95. Gist remember thought spill chuckers only chick wards won at a thyme. Thy due knot solve awl of the problems of pour spelling skills, knot to mention the question of sin tax and context. (All of the above words are spelled correctly.) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 17:15:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w0zqs-00006Ra; Sat, 1 Mar 97 17:14 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: spellcheckers Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:20:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199703020114.UAA06720@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Wonderful , Albert!! > Great example! And you are absolutely right. Had to "chuckle" and > could not resist a riposte.. Glad you enjoyed it. Surprisingly enough, it was difficult to do; the ol' fingers kept wanting to do the "right" thing. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 17:26:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w101s-00004oa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 17:25 PST X-Path: netzone.com!lorley From: Lorley L Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Side to Side Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:25:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970301180125.006a3d80@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello All, Just finished a rose transom panel using ocean glue chip for the background glass and Bullseye for the red/pink roses. Worked with a sheet of the Ocean Glue Chip that was approx 20 X 30. The edges of these sheets seem to have a greater density of glue chip and I had a difficult time cutting a strip (of any size) from side to side. Also had the same problem when cutting from side to side on a sheet of Bullseye with it's raised/rolled edges. I score completely across and then use a green running pliers to run the score. Never seems to run straight along the score mark. Is there a trick to making these cuts? Lorley in Arizona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 17:26:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w101s-00005ga; Sat, 1 Mar 97 17:25 PST X-Path: netzone.com!lorley From: Lorley L Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Subject: LasVegas Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:25:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970301182301.00695a08@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too had to ask twice to have the Las Vegas brochure sent to me. I've never been to one of these "conventions" before. Does anyone have any idea if 4 hours would be enough time to casually browse the booths and collect information??? (from a hobbyist point of view) Am thinking of spending only one night in Vegas and wondering how much time I should allot for the convention. And how much time to allot to gambling :) Thanks . Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 17:29:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w104y-0000H3a; Sat, 1 Mar 97 17:28 PST X-Path: netzone.com!lorley From: Lorley L Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What Is The Bungie Glass Atlas? Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:28:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970301182819.006a3d80@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Vote for electronic atlas. That way I can download only those I'm interested in. Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 19:23:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w11qL-0000JVa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 19:21 PST X-Path: .net!phil7 From: phil & cindy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 22:03:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.14341.0> References: <<1997Mar1.125844.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > > > We got a call from a fellow here in Southern California, who's looking for a > > > commercial outfit that could handle a special polishing task for a glass art > > > project he's developing. He got my name from Glass Art, as the contact for the > > > IGGA, so I reckon we're getting some exposure in that venue. > > > He wants them to be able to cut 1 1/2" thick art glass (Schott glass from PA > > > as I remember) to his dimensions, and then flat polish these solid rectangular > > > shapes. These blocks of glass don't need to be beveled, but all of the faces > > > of these 3" or so shapes need to be highly ground and polished, as per his > > > specifications. > > > I told him that while I didn't have any specific information, I'd post a note > > > here to the Board, and in the Crafts Forum, and see if anybody had any ideas or > > > possible contacts for this sort of project. > > > From what I understand, he's looking to do some volume in these shapes, it's > > > not a onesy-twosy sort of thing, and he wants to find a commercial polisher > > > that can process his orders in a reasonable time frame. > > > So, if you've got any ideas, just post them to me, and I'll forward them > > > along. He's not "online", but I'm happy to act as intermediary. > > > > > > Gerry Phibbs, Chairman > > > > > > passed along > > > by Albert > > > > > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > > > International Guild of Glass Artists > > > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > > > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > maybe someone who polishes lenses, they should be able to at least > > polish it. are the sides going to curve, or are these going to be some > > kind of paper waeight, with stratight sides? i guess anyone that bevels > > glass should be able to polish it, he'll need a glass band saw (larger > > than the one we've been all talking about), to cut out the glass > > accuratley. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > > > New Pages Added: > > > > - More Tips and Techniques > > - How to Fix Mistakes > > - The History of My Shop > > - My Adventures of Mold Making > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > i know i'm reponding to myself, but i thought of another way to cut the > stuff, try using a water jet saw. i don't know what the thickest it can > cut, but it's worth a look. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - More Tips and Techniques > - How to Fix Mistakes > - The History of My Shop > - My Adventures of Mold Making > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass To those of you who scrolled all the way down here, get a life. Phil7 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 19:48:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w12F9-0000Jma; Sat, 1 Mar 97 19:47 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Spellchecker Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 19:43:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.114350.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The CyberSpell spellchecker to work with Netscape 2.0 and 3.0 E-Mail can be found by going to http://www.hotfiles.com/exclusiv.html Then go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type CyberSpell. When it comes up click on the CyberSpell v.2.0 and it will take you to the download page for a month's free trial. Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 19:55:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w12Lc-0000Esa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 19:54 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Spellchecker Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 19:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.115032.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The download for the CyberSpell Netscape E-Mail spellchecker can be found at http://www.hotfiles.com/exclusiv.html Once you have reached the site go to the bottom of the page where the search box is locted and type CyberSpell. When it comes up on the screen click on CyberSpell v.2.0 and it will take you to the download page. It is good for a month of use before you would have to purchase the program for $24.95. Bonnie Clark ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 20:04:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w12Sl-0000EFa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 20:01 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 23:00:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.23010.0> References: <<1997Mar1.14341.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > To those of you who scrolled all the way down here, get a life. > > Phil7 gotme, Phil7. Good job. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 20:18:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w12i6-0000DEa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 20:17 PST X-Path: softcom.net!drink From: Medic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: spellcheckers Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 20:18:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.121826.0> References: <<1997Mar1.15340.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bonnie Clark wrote: > > There is a Spellchecker available for Netscape 2.0 and 3.0 e-mail called > Cyberspell. It is downloadable free for a month or can be purchased > from the Netscape store for 24.95. It even recognizes the emoticons. I > just ordered it and I believe Joyce already has it. > Bonnie Clark > > Doug Scale wrote: > > > > Lee Boe, > > > > Check with your internet provider as they may have an add on spell > > checker you can download. Also check any of the search engines as there > > are some available for downloading. One site I just saw was > > www.hlbtech.com/download.htm > > > > Doug Scale > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I use CyberSpell and really like it. CyberSpell can be downloaded from INSO at www.inso.com/consumer/cyberspell/democybr.htm/ I hope this helps. -- "May GOD stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." Old Egyptian Prayer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 21:38:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w13xY-0000HTa; Sat, 1 Mar 97 21:37 PST X-Path: montana.com!chip3 From: Phil Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Psst! Did anyone hear?? Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 21:53:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Mar1.145347.0> References: <<1997Feb26.211324.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Chip3 Video Precedence: bulk Hi Joyce, Your copper reinforcing strips arrived just fine. Thank You. I too have a couple nice traditional sort of patterns to send, yet we are in the midst of tax season (being we are accountants by day which pays the majority of the bills) and so I've not forgotten, nor have I passed it off as being unworthy. I am truly very excited about this whole undertaking and would love to find a couple hours to put together what I want to send to you. P L E A S E don't give up on us (yet) T. in Montana > No deadline at all. And please take your time. I just am having a hard > time believing that not even one person has gotten any patterns to me > yet. Maybe I was just too excited about the project and everyone else > is more ho hum...I did spend this time getting some of my own patterns > ready for the atlas, so maybe one person actually has submitted > patterns. > > Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 01:03:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w179g-0000Lsa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 01:02 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 04:07:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199703020901.EAA06821@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > To those of you who scrolled all the way down here, get a life. > Phil7 Well, since I posted it in the interest of being helpful to the person who's looking for the information, I have to say that you're just possibly one of the rudest people I have ever "met." Most unhelpful, unkind and unthoughtful. Is your email address deliberately incomplete? Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 03:16:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w19Dm-0000KVa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 03:14 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: LasVegas Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar2.11420.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-01 20:27:39 EST, you write: << 4 hours would be enough time to casually browse the booths and collect information?? >> Yes, probably that's enough time for the booths. Typically that's the least interesting part of the event from my point of view. The real excitement is in the classes. And I don't gamble, so no temptation there. Relative to complaints about LV Management, I have had totally different experiences. Around the holidays, they were impossible to get hold of, since they were on vacation. At others times, I've had extremely good response: call backs, course requests changed, number of participants altered. Last year, they dropped a tour due to low attendance for which I had registered and they literally hounded ME to get a credit card number to issue a refund. I have to think whatever problems you've experienced may be temporary since they aren't a pattern by my experience. It should be a good time. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 03:33:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w19U9-0000HEa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 03:31 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Web Sales Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:31:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar2.13114.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck (or is it skill?) selling glass on the web. If so, what type of products are you selling? Average sale price, etc? Thanks. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 07:14:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Cxo-0000MIa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 07:14 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Side to Side Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 10:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.51220.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970301180125.006a3d80@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorley L Oneyear wrote: > > Hello All, > > Just finished a rose transom panel using ocean glue chip for the background > glass and Bullseye for the red/pink roses. Worked with a sheet of the Ocean > Glue Chip that was approx 20 X 30. The edges of these sheets seem to have a > greater density of glue chip and I had a difficult time cutting a strip (of > any size) from side to side. > > Also had the same problem when cutting from side to side on a sheet of > Bullseye with it's raised/rolled edges. > > I score completely across and then use a green running pliers to run the > score. Never seems to run straight along the score mark. > > Is there a trick to making these cuts? > > Lorley in Arizona > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah, don't use running pliers. they tend to stray even with regular glass, and on the thick edges it's even harder because the score usually lightens up there because it suddenly goes uphill. i'd try either tapping lightly, or do the "drop it off the edge of a table" method. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 09:08:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1EjG-0000C6a; Sun, 2 Mar 97 09:07 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Atlas Voting Results Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 09:03:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.1337.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk First I would like to say, that I enjoyed taking all the votes and if we need to vote on anything else I would be happy to do it again. For those of you that didn't vote, I guess then you shouldn't complain about the results. The results are: BOTH--28 SOFT--26 HARD--6 NEITHER--1 Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 11:48:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1HER-0000NIa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 11:47 PST X-Path: fast.net!warnerc From: Warner-Crivellaro To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Comes Through Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:44:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.94432.0> References: <<1997Mar1.183811.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Elenie- > Thanks so much for the tour! It was wonderful seeing all the things > going on at Warner-C. It was also really great that you helped NOT make > a liar out of me. I had been going on so much about your store that I'm > sure my friends thought that I was in major exageration mode. > > Angelo and his demos were great! Some of the things that he showed us I > wish I had known a year ago. Is there sort of a schedule for what he is > going to be set up for demos? I would really like to some up when he is > set up for caming. > > The only negative is that I spent too much money and my husband is a > little down in the mouth about it. ;-( Too bad. He cheered up when I > showed him the glass I got for the prairie lamp for his office! :-) > > Thanks again. > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hilary, It was great to see you and all your friends. I'm glad all of you enjoyed the tour. I'll let you know what kind of schedule Angelo has for the demos and when he will do one on caming. Hope to see you again soon! Elenie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 13:56:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1JEs-0000ODa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 13:56 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.12027.0> References: <<199703020901.EAA06821@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > To those of you who scrolled all the way down here, get a life. > > Phil7 > Well, since I posted it in the interest of being helpful to the > person who's looking for the information, I have to say that you're > just possibly one of the rudest people I have ever "met." Most > unhelpful, unkind and unthoughtful. Well said Albert!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 13:59:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1JI2-0000Esa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 13:59 PST X-Path: pipeline.com!erainbow2 From: Mark Wallace To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: LasVegas Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970301235949.3ae72076@pop.pipeline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 06:25 PM 3/1/97 -0700, Lorley wrote: >I too had to ask twice to have the Las Vegas brochure sent to me. and Does anyone have any idea if 4 hours would be enough time to casually browse the booths and collect information??? I'm a little surprised that you had any difficulties of any kind with Las Vegas Management. We've been dealing with them for over a year and they have been extremely helpful to us. (Granted we're teaching 2 of the many classes but we do ask them for a lot of nitty gritty information that they could get snarky about. Fortunately they don't.) Judging from my experiences at last year's show, you could go through the exhibitor booths in 4 hours. However, I'm not sure if you would be doing yourself any favors by rushing through them. How often do you get a chance to talk face to face with an artist, a publisher, or a manufacturer? It's your chance to ask all sorts of questions to the people who should be able to give you the answers. We'll have a booth there and we'll be demonstrating our tools and sharing with the people who stop by. It's a great opportunity for us also to talk with the people who buy and use our tools. Even if they don't use our stuff, we enjoy talking glass with the people who just want to talk glass. Take advantage of the opportunities to learn as much as you can from anyone who's willing to share with you. If you do that, then 4 hours may not be enough time. For anyone who's going to be at the show, stop by our booth. Pamela and I would be happy to meet you and to put a face to these many communications we receive via the internet. Looking forward to meeting you. Mark and Pamela Wallace The Emerald Rainbow ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 14:55:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1KA6-0000Poa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 14:55 PST X-Path: usaor.net!junkman From: George To: glass@bungi.com Subject: email problems Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:59:16 -0200 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.155916.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. Recently we tried to have two distinct email addresses.. I don't think it worked.. so can the bungi line please continue emailing me at - 3hounds@usaor.net the other email I was recieveing from you was junkman@usaor.net sorry for any problems.. Also, for those of you I promised the telephone number for a supplier of small clock products., they also have jewelry supplies, rhinestones, minature plastic eyes, precut mirrors up to 6"round (very resonable), also, a glass wick lamp-like a candle..and a whole lot other including electrical supplies. National Artcraft at 800-793-0152 (U.S.) Miss you all. Elizabeth give Toby a great big hug from me,, Gloria and my friends, Paris, Gen. Lil, Smooch, Sas, Bud, Cheryl, and The Wolf Mike S. Finally saw your web site.. It is great.. Any of you who have not visited it , it is well worth the trip.. Very nice 3-D pieces. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 15:32:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1KjC-0000Dqa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 15:31 PST X-Path: americanbevel.com!ab From: Richard davis Ashoff To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:36:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.7362.0> References: <<199703012231.RAA27983@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: American Bevel, Inc. Precedence: bulk Dear Gerry Phibbs, American Bevel can do this job and would like to give a quote. Sounds like your client is in our backyard. B. Rgds., Richard Ashoff Albert Lewis wrote: > > We got a call from a fellow here in Southern California, who's looking for a > commercial outfit that could handle a special polishing task for a glass art > project he's developing. He got my name from Glass Art, as the contact for the > IGGA, so I reckon we're getting some exposure in that venue. > He wants them to be able to cut 1 1/2" thick art glass (Schott glass from PA > as I remember) to his dimensions, and then flat polish these solid rectangular > shapes. These blocks of glass don't need to be beveled, but all of the faces > of these 3" or so shapes need to be highly ground and polished, as per his > specifications. > I told him that while I didn't have any specific information, I'd post a note > here to the Board, and in the Crafts Forum, and see if anybody had any ideas or > possible contacts for this sort of project. > From what I understand, he's looking to do some volume in these shapes, it's > not a onesy-twosy sort of thing, and he wants to find a commercial polisher > that can process his orders in a reasonable time frame. > So, if you've got any ideas, just post them to me, and I'll forward them > along. He's not "online", but I'm happy to act as intermediary. > > Gerry Phibbs, Chairman > > passed along > by Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 15:56:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1L6X-0000FWa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 15:55 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: LasVegas Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:02:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199703022355.SAA16240@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > We'll have a booth there and we'll be > demonstrating our tools and sharing with the people who stop by. Mark, should your company be part of our online Sources Guide (as well as the printed version)? Both are a free service of our org ... and I'm sure it'd be helpful to you and to everyone who uses it. The URL's below my name; click on the Sources Guide cover. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 15:59:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1L9L-0000FCa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 15:58 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:05:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199703022358.SAA16429@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > American Bevel can do this job and would like to give a quote. Dick, Take this off the forum by corresponding directly with Gerry Phibbs at 76556.624@compuserve.com privately. Thanks. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 16:43:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1LqF-0000FLa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 16:42 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Side to Side Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:43:53 -0800 Message-ID: <199703030043.QAA11469@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >The edges of these sheets seem to have a >greater density of glue chip and I had a difficult time cutting a strip (of >any size) from side to side. > >Also had the same problem when cutting from side to side on a sheet of >Bullseye with it's raised/rolled edges. > >Is there a trick to making these cuts? > Hi there... If I have to cut across the sheet, I usually score just inside and parallel to the wider edges first and break them off. That gets rid of the uneven parts which may also be undesirable in my finished project. That way, I'm left with an even piece of glass to work with. If the pieces you score across grain are then too short, there are 2 alternatives...buy a full sheet instead of a part sheet of the glass, run your long pieces with the lenth of the glass and use the rest in another project; or know what size piece you have to work with when you design the project and make sure you design straight pieces that will fit across the glass. I've used both of these techniques, and actually find that some glass (crocodile comes to mind) breaks better lengthwise than crosswise. Cheers Carol Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 17:34:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Mds-0000EIa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 17:34 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: patterns Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:29:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970224115449.229f9fda@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Joyce, Don't dispair! I will send patterns too, I just have been working hard, and won't have a minute till at least mid-April, also some of the patterns I am working on might be ones I want to share?? Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 19:43:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1OeT-0000Kja; Sun, 2 Mar 97 19:43 PST X-Path: icsp.net!rballard From: Robin Ballard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: [Fwd: Fwd: The Spellchecker blews] Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:39:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.153925.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3A8F508D511D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks! I received this on another list I am on that is having the same discussion on spellcheckers. Thought you might enjoy it (especially Albert!) ;) Robin B. --------------3A8F508D511D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.chicom.com (mail.chicom.com [199.177.36.35]) by www.chicom.com (NTMail 3.02.11) with ESMTP id rballard for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:08:31 -0600 Received: from lsv.uky.edu (lsv.uky.edu [128.163.1.15]) by mail.chicom.com (NTMail 3.02.11) with ESMTP id ga008898 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 16:12:50 -0600 Received: from lsv (128.163.1.15) by lsv.uky.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.0a) with SMTP id 1DCA0B50 ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:11:33 -0500 Received: from LSV.UKY.EDU by LSV.UKY.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 14301940 for GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:11:31 -0500 Received: from main.nc.us (208.133.44.7) by lsv.uky.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.0a) with SMTP id 1C074CB0 ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:11:30 -0500 Received: from mcdowell.main.nc.us (mcdowell.main.nc.us [208.133.40.194]) by main.nc.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA12960; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:11:27 -0500 Received: from [208.133.40.196] (ppp2.mcdowell.main.nc.us [208.133.40.197]) by mcdowell.main.nc.us (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA32218; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:09:48 -0500 X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Message-ID: <199702262209.RAA32218@mcdowell.main.nc.us> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 01:32:23 -0500 Reply-To: Gardens & Gardening Sender: Gardens & Gardening From: Margaret House Subject: Fwd: The Spellchecker blews X-To: "Mgilkey@juno,com" To: Multiple recipients of list GARDENS -- [ From: Margaret House * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- The Spellchecker Song I have a spelling checker. It came with my PC. It plane lee marks four my revue Miss steaks aye can knot see. Eye ran this poem threw it. Your sure real glad two no. Its very polished in its weigh, My checker tolled me sew. A checker is a blessing. It freeze yew lodes of thyme. It helps me right awl stiles two reed, And aides me when aye rime. Each frays comes posed up on my screen Eye trussed too bee a joule. The checker pours o'er every word To cheque sum spelling rule. Bee fore a veiling checkers Hour spelling mite decline, And if we're laks oar have a laps, Wee wood bee maid too wine. Butt now bee caws my spelling Is checked with such grate flare, There are know faults with in my cite, Of nun eye am a wear. Now spelling does not phase me, It does knot bring a tier. My pay purrs awl due glad den With wrapped words fare as hear. To rite with care is quite a feet Of witch won should be proud, And wee mussed dew the best wee can, Sew flaws are knot aloud. Sow ewe can sea why aye dew prays Such soft wear four pea seas, And why eye brake in two averse Buy righting want too please. ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- --------------3A8F508D511D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 20:32:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1PQO-0000FQa; Sun, 2 Mar 97 20:32 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web Sales Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:28:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.182852.0> References: <<1997Mar2.13114.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Yes please, is anyone actually getting any orders or sales from their web page information???? I am in the snails pace process of getting up a page with linked sites, and wonder if the effort is worth it, beyond personal satisfaction. I plan to use my own ISP and a couple of cross linked sites, so monthly cost will be low (yes, Albert, I will be asking about the offer on bungi.com too) Due to delayed production, procrastination of taking photos, and some health problems, I have not made much progress on this. The pattern designs are going a little better, but thats slow too. If anyone would be kind enough to share their results, it would help us all, and be deeply appreciated. There are some stunningly beautiful glass pages, Howard's, Mike's, Elisabeths, etc (I can't name them all, so don't anyone get hurt feelings) Albert has done beautiful work on the IGGA pages and those he has been retained to design. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations P. S. Lee is a woman-so not a {he ;)} BarbaraBGS@aol.com wrote: > > I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck (or is it skill?) selling glass on > the web. If so, what type of products are you selling? Average sale price, > etc? Thanks. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 20:40:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1PXu-0000F3a; Sun, 2 Mar 97 20:40 PST X-Path: .net!phil7 From: phil & cindy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:22:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.152218.0> References: <<199703020901.EAA06821@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert, It's phil7@tiac.net Perhaps Hilary got enough sleep the night before. She certainly understood. phil7@tiac.net Albert Lewis wrote: > > > To those of you who scrolled all the way down here, get a life. > > Phil7 > > Well, since I posted it in the interest of being helpful to the > person who's looking for the information, I have to say that you're > just possibly one of the rudest people I have ever "met." Most > unhelpful, unkind and unthoughtful. > > Is your email address deliberately incomplete? > > Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 01:24:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Tyh-0000Cxa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 01:24 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: The Spellchecker blews] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:30:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199703030924.EAA02709@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I received this on another list I am on that is having the same > discussion on spellcheckers. Thought you might enjoy it (especially > Albert!) ;) > > Robin B. Thank you for that, Robin. Made my day! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 01:24:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Tyh-0000Qqa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 01:24 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web Sales Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:30:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199703030924.EAA02702@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Yes please, is anyone actually getting any orders or sales from their > web page information???? Thanks for your compliments on my work on the IGGA site, Lee. (I was testing a new scanner this weekend and put up a photo of me and my son; look quickly, 'cause I'll take it off tonight!). The Guild site receives 4-5 membership applications a week, so that's about $1,000/month in applications for the organization. Of the other sites I work on, the reading comprehension test people get 8-10 inquiries a week, leading to several thousand dollars a month in sales, but their sales are limited to school districts and the web site accounts for only a very small fraction of that company's overall business. They consider it an online brochure and as only *part of their overall sales efforts. What's been interesting about the sites I've developed is that traffic increases slowly, but steadily. The reading test people, for instance, had about 75 people visit their site -- http://www.tasa.com -- the first month, then the following months saw a slow but steady increase ... 150, 700, 1500, 3000 ... kind of a geometric progression. Partly that was due to the fact that I made sure all of the search engines had that site's address and a description (go to http://www.addme.com -- Submit your site everywhere for free, instantly! for instance) and partly because they began adding their web site address (that is, I began adding it) to all of their display advertising, brochures, business cards, letterhead, etc. So yes, it's worth it, but you shouldn't expect a million orders a day right off the bat. It's just *part of your marketing effort. Albert (who also designs web sites: http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm ) Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 01:24:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Tym-0000Qja; Mon, 3 Mar 97 01:24 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:30:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199703030924.EAA02723@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: phil & cindy > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: (Fwd) commercial polishing outfits? > Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:22:18 -0800 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Albert, > > It's phil7@tiac.net It just wasn't in your header, Phil. See above. You must not have it properly entered into your email software. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 03:45:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1WBJ-0000MNa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 03:45 PST X-Path: tpgi.com.au!llutz From: llutz To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web Sales Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 18:46:30 +1000 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.44630.0> References: <<1997Mar2.182852.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Yes please, is anyone actually getting any orders or sales from their > web page information???? I suspect that very few sales of stained glass come from having an internet presence. I plan to have a single page at some stage in the future (when I get some decent photos) But, for the moment, everything is on hold due to some major projects I'm working on. My younger brother has a site for his jewelry and I believe he sells some (his items are small & easily posted). Maybe stand alone items such as boxes & maybe even a lampshade or two (but I would keep the fingers crossed and worry about possible damage). I suppose in a large city, people could preview your site & decide whether or not to pay a visit. However- by all means- don't be put off- I like visiting the sites & they give me inspiration (for when I have the time to do something) -- Althea & Larry in Oz mailto:llutz@tpgi.com.au http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/llutz/ (Note: www1=wwwone, not wwwel) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 04:33:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Wv7-0000S6a; Mon, 3 Mar 97 04:32 PST X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.20434.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970224115449.229f9fda@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > Hi Joyce, > Don't dispair! I will send patterns too I have recieved the first 5 patterns and we are in business! The next thing we might want to vote on would be the format of the patterns...jpg versus pdf. We can use a .gif file to view on the website, but for the downloadable file, do people want to use Adobe Acrobat or not? Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 05:13:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1XYF-0000Vba; Mon, 3 Mar 97 05:13 PST X-Path: ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU!UURESPES From: UURESPES@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Last Minute Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 08:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.3140.0> References: <<1997Mar1.1853.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Vote for electronic! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 05:30:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Xov-0000S4a; Mon, 3 Mar 97 05:30 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New member pages Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:36:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199703031330.IAA08856@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lampshades by Kris White, a new member of the Guild as of last month, can now be seen by clicking on the Guild's home page URL (below), then on "Other Members' Work." Kris' studio's called "Glass Concepts," so just click on that to see two of the lamps she's created, as well as her comments on educating customers, creating lampshades, etc. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 05:39:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1XxH-0000WEa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 05:39 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 05:35:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar2.213525.0> References: <<1997Mar2.20434.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk glasschic wrote: > > Richard LaVal wrote: > > > > Hi Joyce, > > Don't dispair! I will send patterns too > > I have recieved the first 5 patterns and we are in business! The next > thing we might want to vote on would be the format of the patterns...jpg > versus pdf. We can use a .gif file to view on the website, but for the > downloadable file, do people want to use Adobe Acrobat or not? > > Joyce > Joyce I think we should keep this as simple as possible so people don't have to go buy programs just to get the patterns. Is that possible? I don't have enough computer experience to know. I don't know if I know what I am talking about, but aren't the bmp, pcx, gif, wpg or tiff ones fairly common to most people's uses. Bonnie > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 06:39:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1Yt3-0000Jea; Mon, 3 Mar 97 06:38 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web Sales Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.4370.0> References: <<1997Mar2.182852.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Yes please, is anyone actually getting any orders or sales from their > web page information???? I am in the snails pace process of getting up > a page with linked sites, and wonder if the effort is worth it, beyond > personal satisfaction. I plan to use my own ISP and a couple of cross > linked sites, so monthly cost will be low (yes, Albert, I will be asking > about the offer on bungi.com too) Due to delayed production, > procrastination of taking photos, and some health problems, I have not > made much progress on this. The pattern designs are going a little > better, but thats slow too. If anyone would be kind enough to share > their results, it would help us all, and be deeply appreciated. There > are some stunningly beautiful glass pages, Howard's, Mike's, Elisabeths, > etc (I can't name them all, so don't anyone get hurt feelings) Albert > has done beautiful work on the IGGA pages and those he has been retained > to design. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations P. S. Lee is a woman-so not a {he ;)} > > BarbaraBGS@aol.com wrote: > > > > I'm wondering if anyone has had any luck (or is it skill?) selling glass on > > the web. If so, what type of products are you selling? Average sale price, > > etc? Thanks. Barbara > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, my page was designed for information, and help. i never planned to advertise or sell sell anything online. mainly i don't trust the people enough, to buy my stuff. but for the most part it's just an information/show off page. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 09:18:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1bN1-00004ja; Mon, 3 Mar 97 09:17 PST X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:17:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703031717.MAA21434@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Joyce I think we should keep this as simple as possible so people don't >have to go buy programs just to get the patterns. Is that possible? I >don't have enough computer experience to know. I don't know if I know >what I am talking about, but aren't the bmp, pcx, gif, wpg or tiff ones >fairly common to most people's uses. Bonnie Adobe Acrobat Reader is freeware downloadable on the web. So people wouldn't have to buy anything. As for keeping it simple, you are right, one more program won't do that. However, the difference in the print quality between jpg files and pdf files is very noticeable, especially when you enlarge to full size. That's why I think we need to mull this over some more. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 09:38:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1bfx-0000aNa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 09:37 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Comes Through Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 08:55:42 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar3.165542.0> References: <<1997Mar2.94432.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hilary, I am so jealous of your field trip to Warner C., but glad your group enj= oyed it! I also have a group at work that I do stained glass with, but = unfortunately, we do not have a great resource like Warner C. close by.= I am *very* envious. If any happens to know of some great stores and glass warehouses in the = Midwest (I'm in Missouri), I would love to hear about them. I'm always = ready for a field trip, especially when it involves spending money on gla= ss! Also, thank you Barbara, Peggy and Doug for your assistance with the info= rmation on the conference in Vegas. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 10:29:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1cTn-0000ega; Mon, 3 Mar 97 10:28 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:35:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199703031828.NAA25494@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > what I am talking about, but aren't the bmp, pcx, gif, wpg or tiff ones > fairly common to most people's uses. Bonnie So are the other ones, Bonnie. Besides, there's a ton of free shareware and freeware out there just waiting to be downloaded. It all handles any of these formats. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 11:14:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1dAy-0000cda; Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:13 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:53:59 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar3.215359.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970224115449.229f9fda@sol.racsa.co.cr>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I still vote for the hard patterns. I'm still new at the computer and would have to do some checking on wether I could or could not download the patterns. I'd be willing to pay for hard copies of all the patterns. I don't care if I'm thrilled with all the copies of the patterns or not. I just want to be a part of this. Thanks, Mary On Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:04:34 -0500 glasschic writes: >Richard LaVal wrote: >> >> Hi Joyce, >> Don't dispair! I will send patterns too > >I have recieved the first 5 patterns and we are in business! The next > >thing we might want to vote on would be the format of the >patterns...jpg >versus pdf. We can use a .gif file to view on the website, but for >the >downloadable file, do people want to use Adobe Acrobat or not? > >Joyce > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 11:23:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1dKd-0000bga; Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:23 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Question Regarding Copper Foil Method Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 13:25:57 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar3.212557.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Since I know this is the place to go for expert advice, I was hoping you all would humor a novice and give me some of that expert advice. When I learned the copper foil method, our instructor told us the glass pieces must be butted together very closely, with no gaps. (If there were small gaps, we were instructed to fold copper foil in half and slide it in the gap to help fill up the gap.) Recently, I have encountered several people and articles that suggest leaving a space between each piece of glass so the solder will flow between the pieces and add strength. One studio put horseshoe nails between each piece of glass, and another used pushpins between each piece. What is the "correct" method for fitting together the glass pieces when using copper foil? As always, your advice and opinions are appreciated! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 11:37:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1dXN-0000fDa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:36 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Solder finish Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 13:39:08 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar3.21398.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Recently, I was told by one store, that in order to get a good patina on my lead lines, I should first clean it with a flux and patina cleaner, and then follow that up by scrubbing it with a toothbrush with ammonia. Is the ammonia step necessary? Also, in articles and conversations regarding the removal of oxidation I have heard three different suggestions: steel wool, bronze wool, and non-metallic scrubbers. Is there a rule when you use one instead of the other, or is it all individual preference? Any opinions of what works best? I have been trying to go through the old Bungi archives so I wouldn't ask repetitive questions, but my time being as limited as it is, I have only made it through the end of 1995! Therefore, if any of my questions are too basic or repetitive, just let me know. Thanks again, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 11:44:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1des-00005sa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:44 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Other groups Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 13:46:50 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar3.214650.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In my research back through the Bungi archive in search for answers to = some of my questions, I notices where there was a discussion of a news group formed for those interested in stained glass, and it was listed as "rec.crafts.glass". I tried to access this with no luck. Does anyone know if this group is still out there, or if there are other stained glass groups out there on the web? Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 11:58:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1dsP-0000gla; Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:58 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Question Regarding Copper Foil Method Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:00:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.10040.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn: I'm fairly new to this too but it occurs to me that you would want as nice and tight a fit as possible with the pieces just touching, no gap. If extra strength is needed, that's why they make wider foil. Also, to build in intentional spaces it would be difficult to keep the SAME space all round and the results of varied spacing would be most unattractive. Others more experienced may feel differently. I thought all this out when I was about to post to the group about whether they knock the sharp corners off several points that meet at one spot and it occurred to me that any thing less than the most perfect fit that I can get is going to increase the chance of looking like a blob because the bigger the gap the more lead and intersections tend to blob anyway. Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA Dawn Said: When I learned the copper foil method, our instructor told us the glass pieces must be butted together very closely, with no gaps. (If there were small gaps, we were instructed to fold copper foil in half and slide it in the gap to help fill up the gap.) Recently, I have encountered several people and articles that suggest leaving a space between each piece of glass so the solder will flow between the pieces and add strength. One studio put horseshoe nails between each piece of glass, and another used pushpins between each piece. 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(I should have my new hard drive by the time any of this happens and have ROOM to install Adobe!) I will mention that once, on a computer with AA, I found impossible to print a document that showed up fine on my screen. I kept getting blank pages. Don't know why, didn't have time to pursue it. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 12:57:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1emT-0000hIa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 12:56 PST X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Comes Through Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:55:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703032055.PAA17276@digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Check out Delphi Stained Glass, the Midwest's largest stained glass store. Great service, selection and events. They are located in Lansing, Michigan and have some great things planned for their glass festival. Joe Porcelli will be a guest. Visit their web site at http://www.delphiglass.com or call the store's number at 517-485-7955 for directions. They'll also be at the Vegas Show. Jennifer At 08:55 AM 3/3/97 PST, you wrote: >Hilary, > > I am so jealous of your field trip to Warner C., but glad your group enj= >oyed it! I also have a group at work that I do stained glass with, but = >unfortunately, we do not have a great resource like Warner C. close by.= > I am *very* envious. > >If any happens to know of some great stores and glass warehouses in the = >Midwest (I'm in Missouri), I would love to hear about them. I'm always = >ready for a field trip, especially when it involves spending money on gla= >ss! > >Also, thank you Barbara, Peggy and Doug for your assistance with the info= >rmation on the conference in Vegas. > Dawn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 13:29:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1fHz-0000fqa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 13:28 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Question Regarding Copper Foil Method Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:27:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.11278.0> References: <<1997Mar3.212557.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Since I know this is the place to go for expert advice, I was hoping > you all would humor a novice and give me some of that expert > advice. > > When I learned the copper foil method, our instructor told us the > glass pieces must be butted together very closely, with no gaps. > (If there were small gaps, we were instructed to fold copper foil > in half and slide it in the gap to help fill up the gap.) > Recently, I have encountered several people and articles that > suggest leaving a space between each piece of glass so the solder > will flow between the pieces and add strength. One studio put > horseshoe nails between each piece of glass, and another used > pushpins between each piece. What is the "correct" method for > fitting together the glass pieces when using copper foil? > > As always, your advice and opinions are appreciated! > Dawn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there is no absoulute right way. you want to try to put the glass as tight as you can together, because it saves on solder. shoving material in the joint, does work, but unless the gap is really large i would'nt bother. filling a gap with solder does make it a little stronger, but not by much. you see the joint it self will be strong, but the joint is only as strong as it's bond attached to the glass. so you can fill a 1/2" gap (not recomended), but if you do a bad foiling job, the joint will break apart. other methods i've seen is to overlay foil over the open gap, but this is'nt really a good idea, because the solder is'nt attached to the correct place. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 13:37:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1fPg-0000NJa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 13:36 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.11354.0> References: <<1997Mar3.21398.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Recently, I was told by one store, that in order to get a good patina > on my lead lines, I should first clean it with a flux and patina cleaner, > and then follow that up by scrubbing it with a toothbrush with > ammonia. Is the ammonia step necessary? > > Also, in articles and conversations regarding the removal of oxidation I > have heard three different suggestions: steel wool, bronze wool, > and non-metallic scrubbers. Is there a rule when you use one > instead of the other, or is it all individual preference? > Any opinions of what works best? > > I have been trying to go through the old Bungi archives so I wouldn't > ask repetitive questions, but my time being as limited as it is, I have > only made it through the end of 1995! Therefore, if any of my > questions are too basic or repetitive, just let me know. > > Thanks again, Dawn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ammonia huh? that's a new one to me. i use a drop of joy and baking soda. and scrub it in with water. i found that flux & Patina removers don't come off the glass very easily or the solder very easily. i only use that stuff when i have to. if i'm using Jax Patina i also use denatured alchohol, as a pre-patina cleaning. steelwool, can be used 000 or 0000. however it tends to flake off, and the steel can then rust and stain the glass, and everything else. bronze wool is better, you still get the flaking (though i've never used it), but it should'nt react as much as the steel. synthetics, work real well, but they may scratch the glass, so you'd have to be carefull when using it. you can try other cleaning methods but it really is a matter of personal preference. other times it depends what on patina your using, like Novacan, can go over almost anything, especially black patina. Jax has a very nice finish, but it's very difficult to use. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 13:38:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1fR1-0000Nya; Mon, 3 Mar 97 13:38 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Other groups Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.113629.0> References: <<1997Mar3.214650.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > In my research back through the Bungi archive in search for answers to = > some of my questions, I notices where there was a > discussion of a news group formed for those interested in stained > glass, and it was listed as "rec.crafts.glass". > I tried to access this with no luck. Does anyone know if this group > is still out there, or if there are other stained glass groups out there > on the web? Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's the newsgroup. you'll have to go to your news browser to go there. try it like this news:rec.crafts.glass i think there's also a IRC chat group, though i've never been there. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 15:56:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1had-0000j3a; Mon, 3 Mar 97 15:56 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web Sales Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 18:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.135221.0> References: <<199703030924.EAA02702@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Albert, You look like the distinguished gentleman I had pictured in my mind, thank you for sharing your photo. And thanks for the info on increasing web 'hits' It sounds like it will be worth the effort. The show I did this week-end went well but was not a great commercial success. I do have two orders for panels, so it was worth while. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Yes please, is anyone actually getting any orders or sales from their > > web page information???? > > Thanks for your compliments on my work on the IGGA site, Lee. (I was > testing a new scanner this weekend and put up a photo of me and my > son; look quickly, 'cause I'll take it off tonight!). > > The Guild site receives 4-5 membership applications a week, so that's > about $1,000/month in applications for the organization. Of the other > sites I work on, the reading comprehension test people get 8-10 > inquiries a week, leading to several thousand dollars a month in > sales, but their sales are limited to school districts and the web > site accounts for only a very small fraction of that company's > overall business. They consider it an online brochure and as only > *part of their overall sales efforts. > > What's been interesting about the sites I've developed is that > traffic increases slowly, but steadily. The reading test people, for > instance, had about 75 people visit their site -- http://www.tasa.com > -- the first month, then the following months saw a slow but steady > increase ... 150, 700, 1500, 3000 ... kind of a geometric > progression. Partly that was due to the fact that I made sure all of > the search engines had that site's address and a description (go to > http://www.addme.com -- Submit your site everywhere for free, > instantly! for instance) and partly because they began adding their > web site address (that is, I began adding it) to all of their display > advertising, brochures, business cards, letterhead, etc. > > So yes, it's worth it, but you shouldn't expect a million orders a > day right off the bat. It's just *part of your marketing effort. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 16:22:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1hzV-0000cma; Mon, 3 Mar 97 16:22 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web Sales Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:28:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199703040021.TAA21177@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > You look like the distinguished gentleman I had pictured in my mind, > thank you for sharing your photo. And thanks for the info on increasing > web 'hits' It sounds like it will be worth the effort. The show I did > this week-end went well but was not a great commercial success. I do > have two orders for panels, so it was worth while. Aw, you're going to turn my head. Good thing you looked, though, 'cause it's gone now. Congrats on the sales. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 17:22:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1ivl-0000oya; Mon, 3 Mar 97 17:22 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Atlas Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 20:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.152031.0> References: <<1997Feb22.83315.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ok, i hav'nt really been following this thread carefully, because i did'nt think i was going to have the time to stick in a pattern. i need to know where to upload the pattern. it's a semi-basic/advanced box. what ever format it finally turns up in, and you see the box, follow the measurements, since i had to squish down the images for "K-Size reasons". though there pretty good now. hopefully you'll be able to desipher the plans, i know i can read them, 'cuz i made them. though i'm not sure if other's will be able to follow. oh and BTW i had to save them as .gif files, because it's much smaller that way. each file is between 26k-50k, there will also be a sketch and a photo that goes with it. the photo is going to be on my page, i just hav'nt got around to writing the code for it yet. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 18:19:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1joT-0000rGa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 18:18 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.16158.0> References: <<1997Mar3.21398.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn, I'm not sure about the spaces, sometimes my designs require a space for decorative purposes. However, I always clean solder lines with denatured alcohol as a last step after washing. This makes the copper patina take better (and brighter). It is also helpful to clean pieces you may have foiled and put aside for a while (In case you had to do another project first) I had some I started before Christmas, and set aside for some rush work. When I went back to them, they were obviously oxidized. Just rubbed the foil with denatured alcohol, before fluxing and the solder went on just fine. Black Patina usually does not call for such care, but I do it anyway. Chemical grade Acetone (not just nail polish remover) does a good job too. This may help. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Dawn wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Recently, I was told by one store, that in order to get a good patina > on my lead lines, I should first clean it with a flux and patina cleaner, > and then follow that up by scrubbing it with a toothbrush with > ammonia. Is the ammonia step necessary? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 18:24:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1jtI-0000gSa; Mon, 3 Mar 97 18:23 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:23:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19973320223726334@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 03/03/97 16:35:04 you wrote: > >Dawn wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Recently, I was told by one store, that in order to get a good patina >> on my lead lines, I should first clean it with a flux and patina cleaner, >> and then follow that up by scrubbing it with a toothbrush with >> ammonia. Is the ammonia step necessary? >> >> Also, in articles and conversations regarding the removal of oxidation I >> have heard three different suggestions: steel wool, bronze wool, >> and non-metallic scrubbers. Is there a rule when you use one >> instead of the other, or is it all individual preference? >> Any opinions of what works best? >> >> I have been trying to go through the old Bungi archives so I wouldn't >> ask repetitive questions, but my time being as limited as it is, I have >> only made it through the end of 1995! Therefore, if any of my >> questions are too basic or repetitive, just let me know. >> >> Thanks again, Dawn >> ---- >> Lead does not realy take patina very well. You are best off just brushing the lead after cementing with a soft brush to turn it dark. The ammonia is probably not a good idea as it can damage some finishes if to strong a mix is used and left on to long. Much of what Mike S said is also true. in most cases a soft bristle brush and glass cleaner is more than enough to get all but the most stuborn stains off. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 19:10:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1kcM-0000gma; Mon, 3 Mar 97 19:10 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Comes Through Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:08:18 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar3.22818.0> References: <<1997Mar3.165542.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk >...I am so jealous of your field trip to Warner C., but glad your group enj= > oyed it! I also have a group at work that I do stained glass with, but = > unfortunately, we do not have a great resource like Warner C. close by.= > I am *very* envious... > Dawn Somewhere else someone has suggested Delphi to you. Poke around in the IGGA source book. There may be something closer. Missouri and Michigan aren't really that close.:-( Now, tho it may appear that I'm rubbing it in about what a great time we had that day at W-C, I'm really not. I'm only bringing it up again so that I can share one of the totally cool things I learned from the guy doing demos, Angelo. Mosaics and stepping stones have sort of left me cold 'cause I much prefer cathedrals with light coming thru them and that is useless in a mosaic. Well, Angelo spray painted the back of cathedrals with either gold or silver "bumper paint" (depending on the color of the cathedral) thereby instantly making them opaque, but retaining an incredible amount of the color and all the texture. Just amazing depth. The nature of the metallic paint caused a reflective light, but still a light in the glass. If I ever need a break from "regular" glass, I'm gonna try this! Sometimes I dream about the ideal vacation which would be traveling around from glass manufacturer to artist to store all over the country. Sigh. All that stands between dream and fullfillment in the Lottery. ;-) Take care, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 21:23:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1mgV-000047a; Mon, 3 Mar 97 21:22 PST X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Avoiding fumes Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:22:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar3.192236.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Do any of you have suggestions for commercially available or home-made devices to draw off fumes while soldering? Is this a real concern if no precaution is taken? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 01:01:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1q67-0000MEa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 01:01 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoiding fumes Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:07:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199703040901.EAA07282@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Do any of you have suggestions for commercially available or home-made > devices to draw off fumes while soldering? Is this a real concern if no > precaution is taken? It is a real concern. Go to http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ (that's Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety, a nonprofit org. headed by Monona Rossol) and get the lowdown. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 04:15:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1t7x-0000t1a; Tue, 4 Mar 97 04:15 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Atlas Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 07:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970304071530.0068a314@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:20 PM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >ok, i hav'nt really been following this thread carefully, because i >did'nt think i was going to have the time to stick in a pattern. i need >to know where to upload the pattern. Send your patterns to joyce@mail.bright.net Or snail mail Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 Thanks Mike, will enjoy having you as a contributor! Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 04:49:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1te9-0000PMa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 04:48 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Solder finish Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:51:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.25112.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee said: for such care, but I do it anyway. Chemical grade Acetone (not just nail polish remover) does a good job too. This may help. Nail polish remover sometimes has an oil in it too that may cause problems. 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B0 `(,.#%RI6:*+P!'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( ````"-O0`' ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 05:43:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1uV8-0000DBa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 05:43 PST X-Path: tpgi.com.au!llutz From: llutz To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 23:05:13 +1000 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.9513.0> References: <<1997Mar2.20434.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk glasschic wrote: > > Richard LaVal wrote: format of the patterns...jpg > versus pdf. We can use a .gif file to view on the website, but for jpg is 'lossy' due to its compression but best for photos with many colours ('lossy' meaning it loses some info when de-compressed) and gif is good for few colours & doesn't lose info. However- the only thing I can do with pdf is a print out- can't work out how to save the image to my hard drive. Not good for the 'paperless office' concept. > downloadable file, do people want to use Adobe Acrobat or not? -- Althea & Larry in Oz mailto:llutz@tpgi.com.au http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/llutz/ (Note: www1=wwwone, not wwwel) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 07:42:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1wMN-0000Hfa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 07:42 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoiding fumes Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:40:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.54050.0> References: <<1997Mar3.192236.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Classydad@aol.com wrote: > > Do any of you have suggestions for commercially available or home-made > devices to draw off fumes while soldering? Is this a real concern if no > precaution is taken? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it can be a concern, your basically breathing in the flux, and some lead (depending, of course if you do alot of lead work.) a common exhaust fan, and an ocilating fan should work fine. but if you need more Hakko makes a pretty good fume extractor, though i've never used it before, it looks like it has all the features i needed. it's kinda expensive though. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 08:50:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1xPa-0000Fxa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 08:49 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "',hilary@voicenet.com'" <,hilary@voicenet.com>, Subject: RE: W-C Comes Through Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:52:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.65222.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hilary, Tell us more about doing these mosiacs using cathedral glass with the backs painted with gold or silver paint. - Did he spray after he cut out all the pieces or before? - How did he keep from getting any of the paint on the edges and fronts? - Did he have to use a mask on the edges or what? Also, just what kind of paint is this bumper paint, just a glossy metalic paint? - and how does it affect the adherance of the glass to the cement. I haven't done a mosiac yet but when I do this sounds like something I would like to try. Thanks for sharing. Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA Hilary said: that I can share one of the totally cool things I learned from the guy doing demos, Angelo. Mosaics and stepping stones have sort of left me cold 'cause I much prefer cathedrals with light coming thru them and that is useless in a mosaic. Well, Angelo spray painted the back of cathedrals with either gold or silver "bumper paint" (depending on the color of the cathedral) thereby instantly making them opaque, but retaining an incredible amount of the color and all the texture. Just amazing depth. The nature of the metallic paint caused a reflective light, but still a light in the glass. 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Thanks so much for sharing the tip about spray painting the mosiac glass! What a great idea. I've been making stones for my yard and some for gifts (everyone I know wants some). About the only cathedral I've used was a deep purple because it looked black in the stone. I didn't think I'd have much use for my cathedral scraps, but you've given me even more ideas. I might try other colors, like white paint too, and then could try etching something in the paint...... Thanks so much for sharing that. An unsophisticated country mouse, Jerri "Hilary A. Bobker" writes: >Now, tho it may appear that I'm rubbing it in about what a great time >we >had that day at W-C, I'm really not. I'm only bringing it up again so >that I can share one of the totally cool things I learned from the guy >doing demos, Angelo. Mosaics and stepping stones have sort of left me >cold 'cause I much prefer cathedrals with light coming thru them and >that is useless in a mosaic. Well, Angelo spray painted the back of >cathedrals with either gold or silver "bumper paint" (depending on the >color of the cathedral) thereby instantly making them opaque, but >retaining an incredible amount of the color and all the texture. Just >amazing depth. The nature of the metallic paint caused a reflective >light, but still a light in the glass. If I ever need a break from >"regular" glass, I'm gonna try this! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 09:58:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w1yTI-0000Tka; Tue, 4 Mar 97 09:57 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 12:56:33 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar4.175633.0> References: <<1997Mar3.21398.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Lee and Mike both mentioned denatured alcohol. What is it? Do you get it somewhere like Home Depot? I'm assuming it's very different from rubbing alcohol. Thanks, Jerri . However, I always clean solder lines with >denatured alcohol as a last step after washing. This makes the copper >patina take better (and brighter). and the solder went on just fine. Black Patina usually does not call >for such care, but I do it anyway. Chemical grade Acetone (not just >nail polish remover) does a good job too. This may help. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 14:24:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w22cn-0000mOa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 14:23 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 17:22:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.122210.0> References: <<1997Mar4.175633.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > Hi, > > Lee and Mike both mentioned denatured alcohol. What is it? Do > you get it somewhere like Home Depot? I'm assuming it's very different > from rubbing alcohol. > > Thanks, Jerri > > . However, I always clean solder lines with > >denatured alcohol as a last step after washing. This makes the copper > >patina take better (and brighter). > > >and the solder went on just fine. Black Patina usually does not call > >for such care, but I do it anyway. Chemical grade Acetone (not just > >nail polish remover) does a good job too. This may help. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah any hardware store will have it, it's used in the finishing business. it's used to cut shellac. you can also use it to remove price tags and other glues, gunk, and grease off of glass and other materials. i stuck mine in a squirt bottle, the kind they use when they color your hair. rubbing alchohol is isopropyl, and used in the medical field, or for cleaning oxide off of tape heads. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 14:52:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w233u-0000laa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 14:51 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoiding fumes Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:58:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199703042251.RAA16999@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Do any of you have suggestions for commercially available or home-made > > devices to draw off fumes while soldering? Is this a real concern if no > > precaution is taken? > it can be a concern, your basically breathing in the flux, and some lead > (depending, of course if you do alot of lead work.) a common exhaust > fan, and an ocilating fan should work fine. but if you need more Hakko > makes a pretty good fume extractor, though i've never used it before, it > looks like it has all the features i needed. it's kinda expensive > though. What one has to ask oneself is, "How expensive is it if my health is at stake, my kids' health, and more important than anything else, my dog's health." An oscillating fan will do no more than move the fume around (and it's the *fumes one's concerned about here). Again, I strongly suggest you check with Monona Rossol, who's a hygienist specializing in arts and crafts safety. Her advice is priced right -- free -- and she knows what's she's talking about, believe you me. She's at http://www.caseweb.com/acts ... or you can email her directly at 75054.2542@compuserve.com Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 15:52:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w240H-0000oGa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 15:52 PST X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: "McDonald, Kathe R." To: bungi Subject: Help with source Date: Tue, 04 Mar 97 15:38:00 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar4.23380.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks. I need some help sourcing a product. Group-reknowned Elisabeth would like a polystyrene lamp mold (base) that one of you (Mike?) was talking about a few weeks back. . I'm going over on the little expedition to Chartres and would like to be able to fulfill her request. Unfortunately, Warner-Crivello no longer stocks this product which they indicated was a "Bradley" product. Any leads? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 16:24:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w24VV-0000j7a; Tue, 4 Mar 97 16:24 PST X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help with source Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:28:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.122816.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hey Kathe, You might try getting in touch with Bradley directly at: Bradley B Corporation 1610 Rock Ave. Yakima, WA 98902 Phone: (509) 248-3832 Fax: (509) 877-3850 Good luck on your quest. Shirley & the Armadillo Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 16:46:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w24px-0000jJa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 16:45 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Comes Through Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:44:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.194425.0> References: <<1997Mar4.65222.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > - Did he spray after he cut out all the pieces or before? > - How did he keep from getting any of the paint on the edges and fronts? He took a sheet of glass and spray painted the whole thing and then cut it, so he didn't have to deal with the edges and the front was face down when he sprayed. > - Did he have to use a mask on the edges or what? Also, just what kind of paint is this bumper paint, just a glossy metalic paint? The can actually said Bumper Paint on it. I think its main reason for being is to repair scrapes on bumpers. Look for it at a car store. > - and how does it affect the adherance of the glass to the cement. I'm clueless about this. I suggest going over to the W.C. website and asking Elenie to ask Angelo for details. I was too busy standing there with my mouth hanging open to catch the fine points! If you get more info, please share. I'm saving this for a later date, but have too many things on the front burner right now to try it out. >Jerri wrote... >I might try other colors, like white >paint too, and then could try etching something in the paint...... Try the white paint on a little scrap first. I don't know it the gold and silver worked as well as it did because it was metallic and reflective. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 16:59:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2532-0000tIa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 16:59 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help with source Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.145719.0> References: <<1997Mar4.122816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > Hey Kathe, > > You might try getting in touch with Bradley directly at: > Bradley B Corporation > 1610 Rock Ave. > Yakima, WA 98902 > Phone: (509) 248-3832 > Fax: (509) 877-3850 > > Good luck on your quest. > > Shirley & the Armadillo > Grapeland, Tx. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i found another address: 3401 Forsythia Lane Burtonsville, Maryland 20866-1761 1-800-554-5908 1-301-236-0450 fax 1-301-384-1114 and the prices as of 1995 are $36.70 for a 360 degree re-usable form. then something else - design your own with big form for $29.95. not sure what the diference is though. all the patterns seem to be around $21.00 per pattern. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 17:29:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w25VX-0000rXa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 17:28 PST X-Path: softcom.net!drink From: Medic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: REQ: Coolant for Glass Grinder Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 17:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.92921.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm in need of some help. A friend that lives in the boondocks and does not have a computer, would like to know what she can use instead of router coolant for her glass grinder. TIA David -- "May GOD stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." Old Egyptian Prayer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 18:06:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w265v-0000rMa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 18:06 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: REQ: Coolant for Glass Grinder Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:04:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.16421.0> References: <<1997Mar4.92921.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Medic wrote: > > I'm in need of some help. A friend that lives in the boondocks and does > not have a computer, would like to know what she can use instead of > router coolant for her glass grinder. > > TIA > > David > > -- > "May GOD stand between you and harm in > all the empty places you must walk." > Old Egyptian Prayer > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass all you really need is water, nothing more. the coolant just allows the glass to gunk up at the bottom. so for the most part you really don't need any coolant, it really is'nt that important. though the water is. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 18:36:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w26ZK-0000MHa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 18:36 PST X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "mikey friggy" To: Subject: mosaic info Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:37:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199703050236.VAA11424@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone direct me to any sites that offer anything other than just the basics with respect to mosaics. I have done quite a few, but am looking for information a little more advanced. Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 19:10:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w275z-0000sLa; Tue, 4 Mar 97 19:10 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaic info Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:15:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199703050310.WAA13385@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Have you checked out Tiles on the Web? http://users.aimnet.com:8000/~tcolson/webtiles.htm I have found George Fishman's tutorials to be very helpful. He wrote some of the "how-to" on that site. He has also been extremely helpful to me via email. I would be very interested to know of any sites you've found on line. There are very few mosaic sites. I've found some additional information in aol's crafts board ... perhaps too basic for you. Do you use only glass in your mosaics, or tile also? > Can anyone direct me to any sites that offer anything other than > just the basics with respect to mosaics. I have done quite a few, > but am looking for information a little more advanced. Thanks M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 22:00:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w29kZ-0000pya; Tue, 4 Mar 97 22:00 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Church Glass Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 21:56:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar4.135645.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The church we attend recently took out a stained glass window that had one corner broken off. It is just one solid large piece with no solder or lead, but has a lot of building paint around the edges and splattered here and there on it. Any way they gave it to me thinking I might be able to use it for something. I have no idea how old this glass is or how many years the paint has been on it. The window received the hot afternoon sun for years. Is there any way for me to safely get the paint off without hurting the glass? Is it even likely that I could use the glass at all or is it apt to have become brittle over the years? I would like to clean it up if there is any chance that it is useable. It is amber in color and is textured if that makes any difference? Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:12:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2IMI-0000Opa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:11 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Those Burning Questions Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 09:14:26 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar5.171426.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for your helpful answers on my questions regarding the preparation of solder lines and the "to-butt-or-not-to-butt-together" question. Based on your opinions, I'll just continue to butt my pieces together closely. (But perhaps now I won't obsess over every tiney little space. What a relief to know that I don't have to recut the piece if there's the smallest millimeter of space! Talk about the time (and money) that's going to save me!!) I'll also try the suggestions I received to use denatured alcohol instead of ammonia. I've been using steel wool, but think I'll give Mike's suggestion to use bronze wool a try. Anyone else out there besides Mike use bronze wool and have any comments on its merits over steel wool? (Since Mike doesn't actually use it, but just recommends it, I would like to hear from someone that actually uses it.) Somewhere else I read that I should be using a non-metalic scrubber instead of steel wool. Has anyone come across any problems with the metallic scrubbers that I should be aware of? Thanks again for the wealth of information y'all provide. I'm really enjoying this group. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:16:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2IQc-0000Zfa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:16 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:16:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.151613.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:22 PM 3/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >Jerri M Roey wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Lee and Mike both mentioned denatured alcohol. What is it? Do >> you get it somewhere like Home Depot? I'm assuming it's very different >> from rubbing alcohol. >> >> Thanks, Jerri >> Jerri, Alcohol is a "natural" by-product of fermentation, results in ethanol. When something is added to change its solubility properties, it is said to be "denatured" because it is no longer a naturally produced product. Usually the additive is methanol, but it can be any number of additives to get the solubility parameters needed. Anyway, I also use ammonia when applying a copper patina to a foiled project. I first clean it with CJ's or mild soap (check the label to be sure it is "phosphate free"). Then, I pat it dry with a clean towel, then wipe on some ammonia straight from the bottle. Oxygen is a primary competitor to the freshly cleaned solder for the copper ions in the patina, thus the ammonia floods the surface with an oxygen depleted atmosphere and frees the solder for more efficient bonding of copper from the patina. Most of my copper patinas come out like shiny new pennies. I also like to use the antique brass patinas and have found better success using the ammonia step, but brass is more tricky than copper. I think that most novices rub the brass patinas on too hard and get an over-reaction to a copper color, rather than the traditional yellow-brown of antique brass. Just apply the brass patina with a clean flux brush until you see the color change ..... and move on, don't fool with it anymore. I don't think the ammonia step is necessary with the black patinas, just make sure you scrub it free of any flux residue and you should be fine. The final touch is simply to rinse the excess patina off with fresh water and pat dry, then polish your work with some Kem-Pro, or something that is tarnish removing, but non-abrasive and contains some wax to slow down any oxydation of the fresh patina. Copper and brass patinas will turn dark over a period of about a year so you'll have to shine them up from time to time, but black patinas tend to be maintenance free ..... which is a big selling point. Hope all this makes sense, and if so, I hope it's helpful. Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:17:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2IR6-0000Una; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:16 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Church Glass Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.5157.0> References: <<1997Mar4.135645.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bonnie Clark wrote: > > The church we attend recently took out a stained glass window that had > one corner broken off. It is just one solid large piece with no solder > or lead, but has a lot of building paint around the edges and splattered > here and there on it. Any way they gave it to me thinking I might be > able to use it for something. I have no idea how old this glass is or > how many years the paint has been on it. The window received the hot > afternoon sun for years. Is there any way for me to safely get the > paint off without hurting the glass? Is it even likely that I could use > the glass at all or is it apt to have become brittle over the years? I > would like to clean it up if there is any chance that it is useable. It > is amber in color and is textured if that makes any difference? > Bonnie Clark > fishbait@televar.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, glass is glass. i would keep it. you can clean the glass first with soap and water to remove the grime. then use a paint remover, or paint thinner to soften the paint up, do this outside. anything else that does'nt remove, carefully use a new single edged razor blade. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:24:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2IYB-0000Fpa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:24 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: W-C Comes Through Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:24:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.15249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Angelo spray painted the back of >cathedrals with either gold or silver "bumper paint" (depending on the >color of the cathedral) thereby instantly making them opaque, but >retaining an incredible amount of the color and all the texture. Just >amazing depth. The nature of the metallic paint caused a reflective >light, but still a light in the glass. Hilary, Thanks for sharing this! We also do many of the patio stones using scrap material, but have always stayed away from the cathedrals. Man, I guess I'm off to the nearest auto parts store for some bumper paint! Thanks again, Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:31:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2Iei-0000Sqa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:31 PST X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:30:45 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Mar5.151613.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Oxygen is a primary > competitor to the freshly cleaned solder for the copper ions in the patina, maybe. since lead and tin are covalently not looking for ions, i don't see how this affects anything. > thus the ammonia floods the surface with an oxygen depleted atmosphere maybe, but there is also oxygen dissolved in the ammonia. > and > frees the solder for more efficient bonding of copper from the patina. but how do you prevent the oxygen from coming in contact with the solder surface before you put the patina on? i don't mean to be insulting, but i don't think this is a scientificly very accurate description of the process. i don't remember much of my college chemistry, but i think this is more of a chemical reaction and a plating action occurs, rather than a transmuting of lead or tin by taking up or replacing ions in the copper sulfate. i think the ammonia may just be ensuring that there is no grease of any kind on the project, since that's a main purpose of ammonia in household cleaners. grease will interfere with the plating action, because the patina just doesn't get to the solder in places, or have good contact. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2Ifm-0000WHa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:32 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lee Boe -- Web Sales Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:31:57 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.153157.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 04:28 AM 3/3/97 +0000, you wrote: >Yes please, is anyone actually getting any orders or sales from their >web page information???? I am in the snails pace process of getting up >a page with linked sites, and wonder if the effort is worth it, beyond >personal satisfaction. Lee, I think you and I are neck-and-neck in our snails pace to get a website up! I don't know how others ever get the time to fool with it. Anyway, just a quick comment, I have my store listed in www.artworld.com under retail supplies and also for our frame stock and I have received some phone calls from that. The sales have been very low, but it is encouraging. I do intend to stay at my snails pace though ..... just for the personal satisfaction. Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 07:43:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2Iqq-0000aJa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 07:43 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:41:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.54141.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer wrote: > > You wrote: > > Oxygen is a primary > > competitor to the freshly cleaned solder for the copper ions in the patina, > maybe. since lead and tin are covalently not looking for ions, i don't see > how this affects anything. > > > thus the ammonia floods the surface with an oxygen depleted atmosphere > maybe, but there is also oxygen dissolved in the ammonia. > > > and > > frees the solder for more efficient bonding of copper from the patina. > but how do you prevent the oxygen from coming in contact with the solder > surface before you put the patina on? > > i don't mean to be insulting, but i don't think this is a scientificly very > accurate description of the process. i don't remember much of my college > chemistry, but i think this is more of a chemical reaction and a plating > action occurs, rather than a transmuting of lead or tin by taking up or > replacing ions in the copper sulfate. > > i think the ammonia may just be ensuring that there is no grease of any kind > on the project, since that's a main purpose of ammonia in household > cleaners. grease will interfere with the plating action, because the patina > just doesn't get to the solder in places, or have good contact. > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it really does'nt matter what the scientific explanation is why it works, just as long as it does work. if my method said to use manuer and smear it onto the glass. and then said "because the copper patina can't stand the smell, it trys to get away and sticks to the solder, trying to look it's brightest so it won't get attacked like this again". of course don't do this at home, or at least not with your project. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:04:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JAi-0000GHa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:04 PST X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: Liz Linton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: blenko--was solder finish Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: References: <>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike S. wrote: > >it really does'nt matter what the scientific explanation is why it >works, just as long as it does work. if my method said to use manuer and >smear it onto the glass. and then said "because the copper patina can't >stand the smell, it trys to get away and sticks to the solder, trying to >look it's brightest so it won't get attacked like this again". O, god, Mike you make me laugh so hard my students are looking in here! I haven't posted much to this group because I'm just getting started in stained glass. I'm learning so much from everybody here I just wanted to say thanks and ask a dumb question. I'm in central VA so not too far from Blenko. Do they make glass to be sold under another name or do they make/sell "Blenko glass" only? I started wondering because I see only a few glass "brand names" in sales catalogs and wondered why. If they make "Blenko glass" who do they sell it to since I never see that name in catalogs. Thanks for your patience with a very silly question! --Liz Liz Linton Serials Librarian Sweet Briar College 804-381-6315 melinton@alison.sbc.edu http://gos.sbc.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDh-0000iga; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaic info Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:37:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar5.43757.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just an FYI, as of yesterday, we are now a distributor for the vitreous glass tiles you have probably seen around. They're not the easiest things in the world to get your hands on, but they are gorgeous! We are stocking the tiles all of the time, but by special order, you can also purchase smalti through us now. I've seen some people asking for smalti, so I thought I'd let you know! Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass www.artglassworld.com/supply/meredith ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:08:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDj-0000pya; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help with source Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:34:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar5.43447.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We stock the full line of Bradley products. Which mold was it that you were looking for? Bradley makes an LB-10 form for use with lamp bases and the torchieres. We sell that form for $29.36 (contains two halves which you can glue together to create a full 360 degree form. They also sell an LB-5 form for use with the wall sconces. This is a 1/2 mold which we sell for $15.60. We have all of the items in stock, and can ship same day! Please let me know if there is anything I can help with! Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass www.artglassworld.com/supply/meredith ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDp-0000Eva; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: post.cis.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@post.cis.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: REQ: Coolant for Glass Grinder Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:15:55 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Simple antifreeze works fine. Dilute it about 4 parts water to one part antifreeze and you should be fine. =Gary >I'm in need of some help. A friend that lives in the boondocks and does >not have a computer, would like to know what she can use instead of >router coolant for her glass grinder. > >TIA > >David > >-- >"May GOD stand between you and harm in > all the empty places you must walk." > Old Egyptian Prayer >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:09:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDz-0000nca; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: Bonnie Clark , "[unknown]" Subject: Re: Church Glass Date: 05 Mar 97 08:09:25 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar5.13925.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is it amber colored with hammered texture? If so, I also have a lot of this type of church glass. I inherited mine from my church, which replaced all the old (around 1910) ugly, unsafe windows in the education building last year. All my glass is standard diamond patterns in ugly green hammered and that amber hammered. Mine is also heavily spattered with centuries of paint spatters. The best I've found for removing them is Brillo pad and water. I am also going to try paint remover. Don't worry about hurting the glass. Only a nuclear bomb or acid rain could hurt that type of glass. I use mine for suncatchers. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:09:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDk-0000h7a; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: GlasCrafts@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help with source Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:53:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar5.35347.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glass Crafters stocks the entire Bradley Bases line. For more info call toll-free. Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc. 398 Interstate Ct. Sarasota, FL 34240 1-800-422-4552 1-941-379-8333 FAX: 1-941-379-8827 GlasCrafts@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:09:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDi-0000kDa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: sullivan.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help with source Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 08:29:56 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar5.162956.0> References: <<1997Mar4.23380.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Kathe, Bradley Bases can be e-mailed at dldc@bradleybases.com. You might want to check out their page at www.bradleybases.com. Their page includes a listing of distributors and their phone numbers as well as a listing of their products and suggested retail prices. Hope this helps. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:09:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JDn-0000Pna; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:07 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:02:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970224192940.1c7775c4@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am the one with the Richard laval address.... and don't recognize any of this!!!! I have been purposely staying out of this thread as I am one of the people who don't have the software, and don't know how to use it!! Meg At 11:05 PM 3/4/97 +1000, you wrote: >glasschic wrote: >> >> Richard LaVal wrote: > format of the patterns...jpg >> versus pdf. We can use a .gif file to view on the website, but for >jpg is 'lossy' due to its compression but best for photos with many >colours ('lossy' meaning it loses some info when de-compressed) and gif >is good for few colours & doesn't lose info. However- the only thing I >can do with pdf is a print out- can't work out how to save the image to >my hard drive. Not good for the 'paperless office' concept. > >> downloadable file, do people want to use Adobe Acrobat or not? > >-- >Althea & Larry in Oz >mailto:llutz@tpgi.com.au >http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/llutz/ >(Note: www1=wwwone, not wwwel) > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 08:31:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2JYY-0000fqa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 08:28 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: blenko--was solder finish Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.61918.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz Linton wrote: > > Mike S. wrote: > > > >it really does'nt matter what the scientific explanation is why it > >works, just as long as it does work. if my method said to use manuer and > >smear it onto the glass. and then said "because the copper patina can't > >stand the smell, it trys to get away and sticks to the solder, trying to > >look it's brightest so it won't get attacked like this again". > > O, god, Mike you make me laugh so hard my students are looking in here! > I haven't posted much to this group because I'm just getting started in > stained glass. I'm learning so much from everybody here I just wanted to > say thanks and ask a dumb question. I'm in central VA so not too far from > Blenko. Do they make glass to be sold under another name or do they > make/sell "Blenko glass" only? I started wondering because I see only a few > glass "brand names" in sales catalogs and wondered why. If they make > "Blenko glass" who do they sell it to since I never see that name in > catalogs. Thanks for your patience with a very silly question! > --Liz > > Liz Linton > Serials Librarian > Sweet Briar College > > 804-381-6315 > melinton@alison.sbc.edu > http://gos.sbc.edu > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass from what i know Blenko Glass http://www.citynet.net/blenko makes antique glass, and slab glass 1" thick, for dalle de verre. not to many people do that, so it's not in all catalogs. Blenko also makes blown vessels i believe. for the most part the major brands you'll see in most catalogs are: spectrum, wissmach, armstrong, uroboros, yougigheny, desag, maybe wasser if there still around, bullseye, and a few others. i think that answered your question. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 09:10:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2KCT-00005ea; Wed, 5 Mar 97 09:09 PST X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: phil7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 11:51:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.35120.0> References: <<1997Mar5.151613.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Peck Your method certainly works for you. You wouldn't go through the trouble of e-mailing if it didn't. Thank You. I shall be trying this method on my very next copper project. I also hard copied your message, something I rarely do. phil7@tiac.net Mike Peck wrote: > > At 10:22 PM 3/4/97 +0000, you wrote: > >> > > Jerri, > > Alcohol is a "natural" by-product of fermentation, results in ethanol. When > something is added to change its solubility properties, it is said to be > "denatured" because it is no longer a naturally produced product. Usually > the additive is methanol, but it can be any number of additives to get the > solubility parameters needed. > > Anyway, I also use ammonia when applying a copper patina to a foiled > project. I first clean it with CJ's or mild soap (check the label to be > sure it is "phosphate free"). Then, I pat it dry with a clean towel, then > wipe on some ammonia straight from the bottle. Oxygen is a primary > competitor to the freshly cleaned solder for the copper ions in the patina, > thus the ammonia floods the surface with an oxygen depleted atmosphere and > frees the solder for more efficient bonding of copper from the patina. Most > of my copper patinas come out like shiny new pennies. I also like to use > the antique brass patinas and have found better success using the ammonia > step, but brass is more tricky than copper. I think that most novices rub > the brass patinas on too hard and get an over-reaction to a copper color, > rather than the traditional yellow-brown of antique brass. Just apply the > brass patina with a clean flux brush until you see the color change ..... > and move on, don't fool with it anymore. I don't think the ammonia step is > necessary with the black patinas, just make sure you scrub it free of any > flux residue and you should be fine. The final touch is simply to rinse the > excess patina off with fresh water and pat dry, then polish your work with > some Kem-Pro, or something that is tarnish removing, but non-abrasive and > contains some wax to slow down any oxydation of the fresh patina. Copper > and brass patinas will turn dark over a period of about a year so you'll > have to shine them up from time to time, but black patinas tend to be > maintenance free ..... which is a big selling point. > > Hope all this makes sense, and if so, I hope it's helpful. > > Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 11:30:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2MOA-0000kGa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 11:30 PST X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: "B. J. Snell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: and the answer is..... Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:30:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970305144027.24ff93a8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I have received no letters from the list for the past few days.... I am wondering if I somehow got dropped.... If so please hook me up .... I am so curious about the results of the Atlas vote.... any news yet? Barbara J. Snell Dept. of Campus Life Cornell University bjs10@cornell.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 15:59:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2QaL-0000CAa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 15:59 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those Burning Questions Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 18:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.13553.0> References: <<1997Mar5.171426.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn, I prefer the non-metalic scrubbers mainly the "Synthetic Steel Wool" by 3M corp. It comes in small packs in 0000 (very fine) 000 (extra fine), 00 (fine) and etc. I get it at the local Wal-Mart store, paint department, but Home Depot should have it too. It does not rust, oxidize, or break down, and dosen't seem to leave fibers behind that you have to pick out with tweezers. Also check out "Pzaz Luster Brush" for larger panels. I just got one from Glass Crafters, and waiting to do a bigger panel to try it. Check Pzaz web page for more info. Link thru ArtGlassWorld main page as a supplier. Dawn wrote: > <>> > > Somewhere else I read that I should be using a non-metalic scrubber > instead of steel wool. Has anyone come across any problems > with the metallic scrubbers that I should be aware of? > > Thanks again for the wealth of information y'all provide. I'm really > enjoying this group. > Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 16:02:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2Qdn-00006Ia; Wed, 5 Mar 97 16:02 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: and the answer is..... Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 15:58:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.75856.0> References: <<2.2.16.19970305144027.24ff93a8@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The results were BOTH 28 SOFT 26 HARD 6 NEITHER Bonnie Clark B. J. Snell wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I have received no letters from the list for the past few > days.... I am wondering if I somehow got dropped.... > If so please hook me up .... > I am so curious about the results of the Atlas vote.... any > news yet? > Barbara J. Snell > Dept. of Campus Life > Cornell University > bjs10@cornell.edu > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 17:58:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2SRF-0000wca; Wed, 5 Mar 97 17:57 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those Burning Questions Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:46:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.154629.0> References: <<1997Mar5.13553.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk One problem with steel wool is that it is an iron product. Iron rusts, and if any small fibers are caught on your project, humid conditions will cause brown spots on your work. This is a problem in wood working, auto body repair etc. leestat7 wrote: > > Hi Dawn, > > I prefer the non-metalic scrubbers mainly the "Synthetic Steel Wool" by > 3M corp. > <>> > > > > Somewhere else I read that I should be using a non-metalic scrubber > > instead of steel wool. Has anyone come across any problems > > with the metallic scrubbers that I should be aware of? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 18:17:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2SjW-0000Xqa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:16 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those Burning Questions Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 21:14:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.161449.0> References: <<1997Mar5.154629.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk shyguy wrote: > > One problem with steel wool is that it is an iron product. Iron rusts, > and if any small fibers are caught on your project, humid conditions > will cause brown spots on your work. This is a problem in wood working, > auto body repair etc. > > leestat7 wrote: > > > > Hi Dawn, > > > > I prefer the non-metalic scrubbers mainly the "Synthetic Steel Wool" by > > 3M corp. > > <>> > > > > > > Somewhere else I read that I should be using a non-metalic scrubber > > > instead of steel wool. Has anyone come across any problems > > > with the metallic scrubbers that I should be aware of? > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass with autobody, they mainly don't use it because the fibers may scratch the paint. every so often there's a course steel thread in the middle of that extra fine steel wool. and if your using it to say do a color blend, or to lightly sand before clear cote you may put a gouge in the paint. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 19:30:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2TsI-0000DNa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 19:29 PST X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoiding fumes Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar5.172938.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 19:43:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2U5V-0000DBa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 19:43 PST X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:43:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar5.174319.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the detailed description of preparing a foiled project for patina! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 19:58:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2UJN-0000FWa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 19:57 PST X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoiding fumes Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar5.175724.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 20:06:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2URh-0000aya; Wed, 5 Mar 97 20:06 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lee Boe -- Web Sales Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 23:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.18240.0> References: <<1997Mar5.153157.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks Mike, I was wondering if I was the only slow-poke in getting up a web site, and good to know you are getting some results, slow that they may be. I will persist then, and maybe by summer get mine going. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Mike Peck wrote: > > Lee, > > I think you and I are neck-and-neck in our snails pace to get a website up! > I don't know how others ever get the time to fool with it. Anyway, just a > quick comment, I have my store listed in www.artworld.com under retail > supplies and also for our frame stock and I have received some phone calls > from that. The sales have been very low, but it is encouraging. I do > intend to stay at my snails pace though ..... just for the personal > satisfaction. > > Mike Peck > Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 20:09:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2UUM-0000upa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 20:09 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 23:05:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.18528.0> References: <<1997Mar5.54141.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks Mike Savad, I needed a good belly laugh like this-I'm still chuckling. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations M. Savad wrote: > <<>> > > it really does'nt matter what the scientific explanation is why it > works, just as long as it does work. if my method said to use manuer and > smear it onto the glass. and then said "because the copper patina can't > stand the smell, it trys to get away and sticks to the solder, trying to > look it's brightest so it won't get attacked like this again". of course > don't do this at home, or at least not with your project. > > ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 22:18:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2WUz-0000KEa; Wed, 5 Mar 97 22:17 PST X-Path: ozemail.com.au!abking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 16:43:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar5.84335.0> References: <<1997Mar4.122210.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't know who wrote this originally > > >Chemical grade Acetone (not just nail polish remover) does a good job too. This may help. Does the Acetone have any adverse effect on the solder in the long term Andrea ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 23:03:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2XCQ-0000bda; Wed, 5 Mar 97 23:02 PST X-Path: netzone.com!lorley From: Lorley L Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Subject: attachment/unrelated Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 00:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970306000219.00694518@pop.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello gang, I just noticed on Linda's emails to the group.. she has an attachment that looks as follows: >Linda > > >Attachment Converted: "c:\netzone\eudora\attach\WINMAIL16.DAT" > In my download file where all my eudora attachments get filed automatically, I found about 15 of Linda's "winmail16.dat" files. Since I'm not much into computers I'm wondering if I am doing something wrong or if the attachment added on to Linda's emails is an error???? Lorley in Arizona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 04:15:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2c4H-000063a; Thu, 6 Mar 97 04:14 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: attachment/unrelated Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:17:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar6.2174.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No, Lorley, you are not doing anything wrong. I know my e-mail has an attachment. My dp people dont' seem to know how to fix it. They tell me it is just a copy of my post. I dunno? I've been bugging them to fix it for weeks. I have gotten several replys from folks about it. I will try to remember to but something in my sig to ignore it. Thanks for noticing tho. Linda Hello gang, I just noticed on Linda's emails to the group.. she has an attachment that looks as follows: Lorley in Arizona begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@8,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S)S=&5M`H,S-P+D!Q,"@S0$ M1A,S,2#W"%4'L@* ?0J ",\)V0* !PJ!#;$+8&YG,3 SWQ10"PH580OP%6!C M#> 'L!!O+"!,!;!L97D5&\!Y"& @"L!E(&Y2;P5 9&\+@&<71H'4)W M`V 9P"Z/"N$:F0WP&V))(&L !M 6L2-Q*,#]!4!S`W 1P!W#"X @$@"0_RDA M(X P\!S@'+$DI !P+3&3*C(@;\`#T``0````4```!213H@```` #`-(+ ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 04:34:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2cNc-0000EJa; Thu, 6 Mar 97 04:34 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lee Boe -- Web Sales Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:41:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199703061234.HAA23683@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I have my store listed in www.artworld.com under retail > supplies and also for our frame stock and I have received some phone calls So, Mike ... what's the URL? As a member of the Guild, you should have it included in the member links on the Guild's site. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 07:04:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2ehZ-0000UKa; Thu, 6 Mar 97 07:03 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Lewis --- URL Question Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:03:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar6.15314.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:41 AM 3/6/97 +0000, you wrote: > >> I have my store listed in www.artworld.com under retail >> supplies and also for our frame stock and I have received some phone calls > > >So, Mike ... what's the URL? As a member of the Guild, you should >have it included in the member links on the Guild's site. > >Albert > Opps ...... it's in www.artglassworld.com ..... Sorry. When you go into artglassworld, you look up their list of retail suppliers in Missouri and we're listed. Also, you look into their list of product supplies, under Frames and Framing Materials (?) and we're listed again. Jennifer Daniels set it up. Whenever I get a phone call from someone asking about our products or services, I always try to ask how they heard about us and maybe four people have mentioned the Internet. Since we have only been listed in artglassworld for about 2 months, I'm encouraged. I have tried to email you privately at 70544.3642@CompuServ.com but no reply. I am interested in your help on a website. Perhaps we could go off bungi to discuss it, or call me toll free at (888)270-0037. Thanks, Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 13:17:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2kVj-00001ca; Thu, 6 Mar 97 13:15 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Atlas Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:15:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar6.111528.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-03 20:24:01 EST, you write: << o know where to upload the pattern. it's a semi-basic/advanced box. what ever format it finally turns up in, and you see the box, follow the >> I''ve visited your excellent web site. If you're calling it "semi-basic-advanced" does it mean it will take a mere mortal 40 or 50 years to complete? :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 13:17:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2kVm-00012sa; Thu, 6 Mar 97 13:15 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:15:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar6.111523.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-03 16:39:44 EST, you write: << you can try other cleaning methods but it really is a matter of personal preference. other times it depends what on patina your using, like Novacan, can go over almost anything, especially black patina. Jax has a very nice finish, but it's very difficult to use. >> I don't know if this is stained glass heresy, but patina's (patinae?) can be a pain to use. On one project, I used a gold model paint and painted the solder joints. I worked great, hasn't changed color, didn't have to go over it a million times, no special prep. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 14:35:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2lky-000143a; Thu, 6 Mar 97 14:35 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert Lewis --- URL Question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:41:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199703062235.RAA29254@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Opps ...... it's in www.artglassworld.com ..... Sorry. When you go into > artglassworld, you look up their list of retail suppliers in Missouri and > we're listed. Also, you look into their list of product supplies, under > Frames and Framing Materials (?) and we're listed again. Jennifer Daniels > set it up. Whenever I get a phone call from someone asking about our > products or services, I always try to ask how they heard about us and maybe > four people have mentioned the Internet. Since we have only been listed in > artglassworld for about 2 months, I'm encouraged. Cool. Did you know that as a member of the Guild (which you are) you are entitled to a free web page here in the Guild's part of bungi.com? Not as a retailer, but as a studio ... to show off your work. Just send photos of your work, a little history about yourself, etc., and we'll set it up for you. > I have tried to email you privately at 70544.3642@CompuServ.com but no > reply. I am interested in your help on a website. Perhaps we could go off > bungi to discuss it, or call me toll free at (888)270-0037. Yes, I changed from Compuserve in December and announced my new email address then, although I think it appears at the top of my email, too My current address is alewis@computer.net ... Website? (hmm, let me change hats) Sure, I can do that. I'll call you. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 14:50:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2lyv-00016Ga; Thu, 6 Mar 97 14:49 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Atlas Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 17:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar6.124759.0> References: <<1997Mar6.111528.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-03 20:24:01 EST, you write: > > << o know where to upload the pattern. it's a semi-basic/advanced box. > what ever format it finally turns up in, and you see the box, follow the >> > > I''ve visited your excellent web site. If you're calling it > "semi-basic-advanced" > does it mean it will take a mere mortal 40 or 50 years to complete? > :) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well basically is a rectangular box, but it has a 5-piece lid, and a removable tray. so the cuts will have to be accurate, and square. your would need a strip cutter, and something like a morton system or that score board thing. it's advanced because of that. it's basic, because it's not shaped like a heart or a circle or something. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 14:58:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2m5X-0001BRa; Thu, 6 Mar 97 14:56 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 17:53:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar6.125333.0> References: <<1997Mar6.111523.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-03 16:39:44 EST, you write: > > << you can try other cleaning methods but it really is a matter of personal > preference. other times it depends what on patina your using, like > Novacan, can go over almost anything, especially black patina. Jax has a > very nice finish, but it's very difficult to use. > >> > > I don't know if this is stained glass heresy, but patina's (patinae?) can be > a pain to use. On one project, I used a gold model paint and painted the > solder joints. I worked great, hasn't changed color, didn't have to go over > it a million times, no special prep. > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well patina can always be a pain, though it's mainly the flux removal that's the most difficult. it also depends on what kind of flux your using, like if you use paste flux, some of it may remain on the glass, and then re-contaminate the solder when you dry the glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 17:32:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2oW4-0000zBa; Thu, 6 Mar 97 17:32 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns, but not only. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:46:53 +0000 Message-ID: <199703070131.BAA21404@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, First of all, Bonnie: Thank you so much for being the "official vote counter". Despite your computer problems, you have done a wonderful job What's more: I think I have detected a little happy grin :-) on your face, since you quite clearly enjoyed it.From your results, it would appear that the vote stands for having a soft copy AND a hard copy. So far so good. Bonnie this was just probably your "baptism" and your role has only just started...... Thank you. (Am I speaking from all of us??) Next: As far as I am concerned (re. "soft" copy"), Joyce is the ultimate "Boss" As I see it, she has already displayed tremendous knowledge, initiative - AND - sensisitivity to the abilities, capabilities, understanding and financial budgets of all and everyone of us, including "computer nerds" (like myself). It is glaringly clear to me, that Joyce has the vision and capacity to take it and make it simple, not just for her, but for us too. I am happy to put my trust in that and not attempt arguing.Hence, as regards a soft-ware production, if Joyce says "jump", I will jump. I have my limitations, Joyce has already communicated with me "off-line" ways and means of over-coming that. "On-line" there have been a number of pleas from people who are compelled to have a different"day-job". Time and patience and perserverence will make this whole thing become real and alive. On the soft-copy front, Joyce is our God and Creator. Thank you Joyce - and I will watch out for anything and anyone who might play "power and/or head games" with you. ..... (Original Tea stains, blood and gore to follow at Easter, when my "chicks" return to USA from UK... Howzat!!) JOYCE!: I take my hat off to you. THANK YOU (Am I speaking for all of us??) NEXT: Hard Copy: Cindy - will you now step forward: What do you need from us? What do you require? What shall we do next? In THIS Department - YOU are the "Boss" This is your turn to speak up.... How do we finance this whole venture?? Let's get some shape to it FIRST.We still haven't quite given "birth" to the baby...... Let's hear from you. Meg; Don't worry. I don't understand this software talk either. It's way above my head. I will just follow sheepishly any instructions Joyce tells me; hope (and pray) that she will muster some patience with me currently. I seem to have a hell of lot of irons in the fire just now... Am getting closer & closer to having to "shut down" for a week or so.... ALL: Thank you for the magnificent response to Kathe's query (seeing since I am the trouble-maker nd the cause of it!) Kathe, I didn't intend to create trouble & problems..... BTW: YOUR arrival date/time/place in Europe please!! PEGGY: Same applies to you!!!. FINAL details please. It's only a couple of weeks away or so. "ms": Thanks for your repeat, Much better! But youstill need to shorten your lines by about 10 characters. Lee Boe: Have sent you a private e-mail. Toby needs a BATH and a severe spring hair-cut. Hope to be one of the very first visitors to your WEB-site in summer. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 19:42:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2qXg-0000yPa; Thu, 6 Mar 97 19:42 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 22:45:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar6.17456.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Peggy, Barbara, Dawn, Lorley and anyone else going to Vegas next week, if we are to have an informal bungi meeting we need to say when and where. Perhaps someone that has been before could suggest as spot or maybe one of the suppliers that will be there can make a suggestion. Otherwise, how 'bout we meet a 1.00 pm Saturday at the Delphi exhibit. Regards, Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 19:59:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2qn5-000101a; Thu, 6 Mar 97 19:57 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns, but not only. Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 19:52:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar6.115211.0> References: <<199703070131.BAA21404@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi All, > First of all, Bonnie: Thank you so much for being the "official vote > counter". Despite your computer problems, you have done a wonderful > job What's more: I think I have detected a little happy grin :-) on > your face, since you quite clearly enjoyed it.From your results, it > would appear that the vote stands for having a soft copy AND a hard > copy. > So far so good. Bonnie this was just probably your "baptism" and your > role has only just started...... > Thank you. (Am I speaking from all of us??) > > Next: As far as I am concerned (re. "soft" copy"), Joyce is the > ultimate "Boss" As I see it, she has already displayed tremendous > knowledge, initiative - AND - sensisitivity to the abilities, > capabilities, understanding and financial budgets of all and everyone > of us, including "computer nerds" (like myself). It is glaringly clear > to me, that Joyce has the vision and capacity to take it and make it > simple, not just for her, but for us too. I am happy to put my trust > in that and not attempt arguing.Hence, as regards a soft-ware > production, if Joyce says "jump", I will jump. I have my limitations, > Joyce has already communicated with me "off-line" ways and means of > over-coming that. "On-line" there have been a number of pleas from > people who are compelled to have a different"day-job". Time and > patience and perserverence will make this whole thing become real and > alive. On the soft-copy front, Joyce is our God and Creator. > Thank you Joyce - and I will watch out for anything and anyone who might > play "power and/or head games" with you. ..... > (Original Tea stains, blood and gore to follow at Easter, when my "chicks" > return to USA from UK... Howzat!!) > JOYCE!: I take my hat off to you. THANK YOU (Am I speaking for all > of us??) > > NEXT: Hard Copy: Cindy - will you now step forward: > What do you need from us? What do you require? What shall we do next? > In THIS Department - YOU are the "Boss" > This is your turn to speak up.... > > How do we finance this whole venture?? > Let's get some shape to it FIRST.We still haven't quite given > "birth" to the baby...... > Let's hear from you. > > Meg; > Don't worry. I don't understand this software talk either. It's way > above my head. I will just follow sheepishly any instructions Joyce > tells me; hope (and pray) that she will muster some patience with me > currently. I seem to have a hell of lot of irons in the fire just > now... > Am getting closer & closer to having to "shut down" for a week or > so.... > > ALL: Thank you for the magnificent response to Kathe's query (seeing > since I am the trouble-maker nd the cause of it!) Kathe, I didn't > intend to create trouble & problems..... > BTW: YOUR arrival date/time/place in Europe please!! > PEGGY: Same applies to you!!!. FINAL details please. It's only a couple > of weeks away or so. > > "ms": > Thanks for your repeat, Much better! But youstill need to shorten > your lines by about 10 characters. > > Lee Boe: Have sent you a private e-mail. Toby needs a BATH and a > severe spring hair-cut. Hope to be one of the very first visitors to > your WEB-site in summer. > > Elisabeth 'n Toby > Well, it won't be the first time I have jumped into something with both feet and if that was just the baptism, I am ready for whatever else I can do to help, and yes I did enjoy it despite the unanticipated a computer problems. Now if I can just make a pattern. Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 05:32:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w2zkD-000153a; Fri, 7 Mar 97 05:31 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns, but not only. Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 08:11:01 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar7.16111.0> References: <<199703070131.BAA21404@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for all the work and keeping the count for all of us. I can't wait to see what all the members come up with. Mary On Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:46:53 +0000 "Toby" writes: >Hi All, >First of all, Bonnie: Thank you so much for being the "official vote >counter". Despite your computer problems, you have done a wonderful >job What's more: I think I have detected a little happy grin :-) on >your face, since you quite clearly enjoyed it.From your results, it >would appear that the vote stands for having a soft copy AND a hard >copy. >So far so good. Bonnie this was just probably your "baptism" and your >role has only just started...... >Thank you. (Am I speaking from all of us??) > >Next: As far as I am concerned (re. "soft" copy"), Joyce is the >ultimate "Boss" As I see it, she has already displayed tremendous >knowledge, initiative - AND - sensisitivity to the abilities, >capabilities, understanding and financial budgets of all and everyone >of us, including "computer nerds" (like myself). It is glaringly clear > >to me, that Joyce has the vision and capacity to take it and make it >simple, not just for her, but for us too. I am happy to put my trust >in that and not attempt arguing.Hence, as regards a soft-ware >production, if Joyce says "jump", I will jump. I have my limitations, >Joyce has already communicated with me "off-line" ways and means of >over-coming that. "On-line" there have been a number of pleas from >people who are compelled to have a different"day-job". Time and >patience and perserverence will make this whole thing become real and >alive. On the soft-copy front, Joyce is our God and Creator. >Thank you Joyce - and I will watch out for anything and anyone who >might >play "power and/or head games" with you. ..... >(Original Tea stains, blood and gore to follow at Easter, when my >"chicks" >return to USA from UK... Howzat!!) >JOYCE!: I take my hat off to you. THANK YOU (Am I speaking for all >of us??) > >NEXT: Hard Copy: Cindy - will you now step forward: >What do you need from us? What do you require? What shall we do next? >In THIS Department - YOU are the "Boss" >This is your turn to speak up.... > >How do we finance this whole venture?? >Let's get some shape to it FIRST.We still haven't quite given >"birth" to the baby...... >Let's hear from you. > >Meg; >Don't worry. I don't understand this software talk either. It's way >above my head. I will just follow sheepishly any instructions Joyce >tells me; hope (and pray) that she will muster some patience with me >currently. I seem to have a hell of lot of irons in the fire just >now... >Am getting closer & closer to having to "shut down" for a week or >so.... > >ALL: Thank you for the magnificent response to Kathe's query (seeing >since I am the trouble-maker nd the cause of it!) Kathe, I didn't >intend to create trouble & problems..... >BTW: YOUR arrival date/time/place in Europe please!! >PEGGY: Same applies to you!!!. FINAL details please. It's only a >couple >of weeks away or so. > >"ms": >Thanks for your repeat, Much better! But youstill need to shorten >your lines by about 10 characters. > >Lee Boe: Have sent you a private e-mail. Toby needs a BATH and a >severe spring hair-cut. Hope to be one of the very first visitors to >your WEB-site in summer. > > >Elisabeth 'n Toby > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 06:13:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w30O4-0000VJa; Fri, 7 Mar 97 06:12 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns, but not only. Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 09:12:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970307091254.0068fa60@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:11 AM 3/7/97 PST, Mary J Austin wrote: >Thank you for all the work and keeping the count for all of us. I can't >wait to see what all the members come up with. The patterns ARE coming in, slowly but surely, and I now have a smile on my face...lots of work to do, and more confidence that this project will finally get a good start. BUT, there are a few things I need to clear up. When sending your patterns, PLEASE put an email address with them, so if I have questions, I can email you. (Much cheaper than a long distance phone call.) (Tim I need your email address). Second please if you are sending a hard copy by the U.S. Post Office include what you want this pattern to be called. When looking at stuff, I might name something birdflower, when you have all along called it cardinal.gif and you might not recognize it on the site. Also I haven't gotten any description/background paragraphs about the patterns submitted, if you want to explain the pattern, please include that also. If you think it is self explanatory, that's fine, I won't push to have a description with every single pattern. About the format question I posted earlier, there hasn't been a whole lot of discussion about jpg/pdf files. Is it safe to assume that if we have both everyone will be happy? Until I find out otherwise, I will go on that assumption, and try to provide both formats to the bungi people. And yes please >NEXT: Hard Copy: Cindy - will you now step forward: >What do you need from us? What do you require? What shall we do next? Especially me, Cindy, what do you need from me on the hard copy end? Please email me and we can discuss in more detail. I'm really happy to see this coming around. Hoping for more "work" to arrive soon! Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 08:02:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w325o-0001Cwa; Fri, 7 Mar 97 08:02 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Doug Scale Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar6.235759.0> References: <<1997Mar6.17456.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Doug: Count on me being at the Delphi Exhibit at 1:00 p.m. on Saturday. Sounds like Bungian time to me. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 09:58:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w33uJ-0000Nna; Fri, 7 Mar 97 09:58 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 12:58:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar7.7584.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-06 22:43:31 EST, you write: << To Peggy, Barbara, Dawn, Lorley and anyone else going to Vegas next week, if we are to have an informal bungi meeting we need to say when and where. Perhaps someone that has been before could suggest as spot or maybe one of the suppliers that will be there can make a suggestion. Otherwise, how 'bout we meet a 1.00 pm Saturday at the Delphi exhibit. Regards, Doug Scale >> Actually, since Mark Wallace of Emerald Rainbow is part of our group, I think we should meet there. I'm in class on Saturday, but if lunch break coincides, I'll be there. Anyone else going to the dinner Sat nite? Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 10:02:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w33yS-0000Nfa; Fri, 7 Mar 97 10:02 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Avoiding fumes Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:00:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar7.8037.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << Do any of you have suggestions for commercially available or home-made devices to draw off fumes while soldering? >> I use Hakko's smoke absorber and I had the largest size of bathroom exhaust fan installed above my work space. I'm not sure what the health ramifications are (there are papers out there written to address that) but I only have one pair of lungs and I'm seeking to protect them. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 10:03:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w33zM-0001DNa; Fri, 7 Mar 97 10:03 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spellchecker Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar7.8027.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << The CyberSpell spellchecker to work with Netscape 2.0 and 3.0 E-Mail >> Does it work with html files? Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 12:58:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w36i2-0001GCa; Fri, 7 Mar 97 12:57 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns, but not only. Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:58:16 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar7.225816.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970307091254.0068fa60@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think both would be great. It would certainly help with my busy schedule. Thanks alot. Mary diamonds@juno.com On Fri, 07 Mar 1997 09:12:56 -0500 glasschic writes: >At 08:11 AM 3/7/97 PST, Mary J Austin wrote: >>Thank you for all the work and keeping the count for all of us. I >can't >>wait to see what all the members come up with. > > >The patterns ARE coming in, slowly but surely, and I now have a smile >on my >face...lots of work to do, and more confidence that this project will >finally get a good start. BUT, there are a few things I need to clear >up. >When sending your patterns, PLEASE put an email address with them, so >if I >have questions, I can email you. (Much cheaper than a long distance >phone >call.) (Tim I need your email address). Second please if you are >sending >a hard copy by the U.S. Post Office include what you want this pattern >to >be called. When looking at stuff, I might name something birdflower, >when >you have all along called it cardinal.gif and you might not recognize >it on >the site. Also I haven't gotten any description/background paragraphs >about the patterns submitted, if you want to explain the pattern, >please >include that also. If you think it is self explanatory, that's fine, >I >won't push to have a description with every single pattern. > >About the format question I posted earlier, there hasn't been a whole >lot >of discussion about jpg/pdf files. Is it safe to assume that if we >have >both everyone will be happy? Until I find out otherwise, I will go on >that >assumption, and try to provide both formats to the bungi people. > >And yes please > >>NEXT: Hard Copy: Cindy - will you now step forward: >>What do you need from us? What do you require? What shall we do next? > > >Especially me, Cindy, what do you need from me on the hard copy end? >Please email me and we can discuss in more detail. > >I'm really happy to see this coming around. Hoping for more "work" to >arrive soon! > >Joyce > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 18:27:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3Bqf-0001Aaa; Fri, 7 Mar 97 18:27 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns, but not only. Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 21:25:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar7.212538.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970307091254.0068fa60@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk >...Also I haven't gotten any description/background paragraphs > about the patterns submitted, if you want to explain the pattern, please > include that also... > > Joyce Joyce- I have never been real clear if you need me to resend the patterns that I sent, except for the Kidney Panel, which I understand you got fine. I can resend the others in the smaller format, if you need me to. Re them all name and description: "30th Kidneyversary"-(official family name of the anniversary of the transplant.) Made in commemoration of my cousin's 30th anniversary of his transplant. "Jones Dress"-Made by one of the other patternmakers that I work with at Jones New York. The buttons were nuggets glued on. After the piece was done, she fashioned a miniature coat hanger out of decorative twisted wire and soldered it to the piece to be the hanger (no pun intended). Note bene! This piece looks great, but is structurally unsound. Handle with care! "Lizard in Water"-This piece was made as a gift for another cousin. It is based on a traditional American Indian motif. I used hammered glass for the lizard to give a "scale effect." The water surround was, duh, waterglass, and I cut the "grain" of the glass so that the lizard looked like it was displacing the water. i.e. the water swirled around the lizard. "Sunset"-One of a million versions of a 'first lead came project.' I did it immediately after the lizard and blessed its simplicity every step of the way! "Unitarian Chalice"-This piece was commissioned by a Unitarian church in Houston, Texas. It is a miniature of the large window in the church and was a gift for their retiring minister. I have several more things I will get to you in the next week or so. Pictures of most of these pieces will be available on my web site which should be up in a week or so, too. Thanks for all your work. I can't wait to see what the "exchange" will be. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 07:24:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3Nyb-0000rja; Sat, 8 Mar 97 07:24 PST X-Path: agate.net!sjmfamly From: "Steven J. Moore" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: web site Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:23:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703081523.KAA08105@service.agate.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Glass@Bungi.com, I am new to the net and got your e-mail address from another contact. Could you reply with your web site address. I understand that your site is quite active for people who whis to exchange ideas, patterns, etc. I have been into stained glass about 15 years. Best regards, Steven J. Moore 25 Pleasant St Millinocket, Maine 04462 cybermeow ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 08:01:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3OYe-00019Aa; Sat, 8 Mar 97 08:01 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: web site Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 08:01:06 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "web site" on Mar 8, 10:23, "Steven J. Moore" writes:] Hi Steven, > I am new to the net and got your e-mail address from another contact. Could > you reply with your web site address. I understand that your site is quite > active for people who whis to exchange ideas, patterns, etc. > > I have been into stained glass about 15 years. I currently run an email mailing list with about 300 people on it. It's free. All I ask is that people stick to the stained glass topic. My web site address is: http://www.bungi.com My email address: gjr@bungi.com Let me know if you'd like me to add you on... -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 15:46:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3VoE-0000yva; Sat, 8 Mar 97 15:45 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: web site Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:45:35 -0800 Message-ID: <199703082345.PAA14423@mars.ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steven..Welcome, I am also new to the site as well as stained glass. I am interested in learning more about both, as well as exchangeing patterns etc. I am in Courtenay, B.C. Canada. (That is on the west coast) One of the problems I have is there is not many suppliers in my area. I also have not been able to take classes so I am just fuddlin' along. I have completed about 30 projects in the past 2 years. I 'really' would like to learn how to enlarge or size a pattern. Oh well, thats enough blithering for now so I will let you go. Bye for now. Wayne Munro :-) >Dear Glass@Bungi.com, > >I am new to the net and got your e-mail address from another contact. Could >you reply with your web site address. I understand that your site is quite >active for people who whis to exchange ideas, patterns, etc. > >I have been into stained glass about 15 years. > >Best regards, >Steven J. Moore >25 Pleasant St >Millinocket, Maine 04462 >cybermeow > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 17:14:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3XB8-0000vba; Sat, 8 Mar 97 17:13 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: web site Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 20:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970308201340.00688ecc@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I 'really' would like to learn how to >enlarge or size a pattern. Before I was into computers, I used the copier to enlarge my patterns. Just select the largest size it will enlarge to and make several copies until it is as big as you want it to be. The end product may have to be pasted together, but at least you will have an easy way to get there. The other way is to use an overhead projector which will show the pattern on a wall. You tape a large piece of paper on the wall, then enlarge the pattern to the correct dimensions through the projector. The least favorite way of mine is to draw a grid on the original ( or a copy of the original) and then mathematically figure out how large a new grid would need to be to make the size you want. You then draw in each square in the new sized grid, and it makes a new pattern in the larger size. Right now, I use the computer to scan the pattern, then print to a certain % with a graphics program. I do have to paste together the sheets that are printed out, but it's cheap and not very time consuming. That gives you a few basic ways to enlarge a pattern. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 17:31:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3XSM-0000Lpa; Sat, 8 Mar 97 17:31 PST X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: phil7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Atlas Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 20:31:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar8.123132.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone: Cindy and I have been talking about the printing of the Atlas. We feel it would be more appropriate for someone within the glass/professional/printing lines to do the work. I remember that Albert Lewis had offered his services. He certainly is connected with the professional glass people. His work on the IGGA certainly brings the Atlas much closer to a real home. The IGGA would be my vote to handle the actual production, distribution of our Atlas. Al's work in print, and electronic knowledge is superior. Let me be the first to ask. Al, would you take on the printing/printings of the Atlas? Thanks for your time. phil7 and Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 19:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3Yrb-0000b5a; Sat, 8 Mar 97 19:01 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: web site Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:56:42 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar9.55642.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970308201340.00688ecc@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You can also tke your patterns to an arcitectural company and have them do it for you in a blueprint form. They are not real expenseive and gives you the size you want and all you have to do it re-copy it or purchase more than one copy. Mary On Sat, 08 Mar 1997 20:13:41 -0500 glasschic writes: > I 'really' would like to learn how to >>enlarge or size a pattern. > >Before I was into computers, I used the copier to enlarge my patterns. >Just select the largest size it will enlarge to and make several >copies >until it is as big as you want it to be. The end product may have to >be >pasted together, but at least you will have an easy way to get there. > >The other way is to use an overhead projector which will show the >pattern >on a wall. You tape a large piece of paper on the wall, then enlarge >the >pattern to the correct dimensions through the projector. > >The least favorite way of mine is to draw a grid on the original ( or >a >copy of the original) and then mathematically figure out how large a >new >grid would need to be to make the size you want. You then draw in >each >square in the new sized grid, and it makes a new pattern in the larger >size. > >Right now, I use the computer to scan the pattern, then print to a >certain >% with a graphics program. I do have to paste together the sheets >that are >printed out, but it's cheap and not very time consuming. > >That gives you a few basic ways to enlarge a pattern. > >Garden of Glass >Joyce Moran > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 04:38:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3hrf-0000t7a; Sun, 9 Mar 97 04:38 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Atlas Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 07:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970309073820.0068d984@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Al, would you take on the printing/printings of the Atlas? > >Thanks for your time. > >phil7 and Cindy Hmmmm, I remember something at the very beginning, that Albert Lewis said he was very busy right now and could offer nothing but advice at this time. Things might have changed by now, but I don't want everyone to be disappointed in case that hasn't happened. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 08:22:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3lL3-0000hRa; Sun, 9 Mar 97 08:20 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Atlas Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:27:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199703091620.LAA15949@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >Al, would you take on the printing/printings of the Atlas? > >Thanks for your time. > >phil7 and Cindy > Hmmmm, I remember something at the very beginning, that Albert Lewis said > he was very busy right now and could offer nothing but advice at this time. > Things might have changed by now, but I don't want everyone to be > disappointed in case that hasn't happened. I waited, Joyce, to see what *you had to say on this before I responded, since you're the one in charge of it. Things are about the same with me, but if I can offer any suggestions, I'll be glad to do so. Perhaps when you get a clear idea of how many images there are, what their formats are and so on, you can let me know and I'll suggest some approaches that could be taken with the printed version and which printer might best be able to handle it. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 11:33:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3oJx-0000Hja; Sun, 9 Mar 97 11:31 PST X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: IGGA Subject: Vases Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 13:28:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar9.72821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk Have been making stained glass vases for some time, but have not yet found anything that works consisently to seal them well enough to hold water. A plastic craft spray works most of the time, Aquarium sealant is hard to use inside the vases and looks messy Mike Barr Flowers Etc Metairie, La ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 12:21:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3p55-00017sa; Sun, 9 Mar 97 12:20 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vases Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:19:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19973863747741@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 03/09/97 13:28:21 you wrote: > >Have been making stained glass vases for some time, but have not >yet found anything that works consisently to seal them well enough to >hold water. A plastic craft spray works most of the time, Aquarium >sealant is hard to use inside the vases and looks messy > Mike Barr > Flowers Etc > Metairie, La Try a commercial grade epoxy. There are a few out there that are used to seal the interior of tanks, so water should not be a problem. The only drawback is that it is very difficult to find a water clear epoxy, most have a slight cast. It will require some leg work to find the mfg of these especialy to find clear. One place to try is a company called Abatron in Wisconsin. goos luck ms > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 14:34:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3rAb-00017ha; Sun, 9 Mar 97 14:34 PST X-Path: pilot.msu.edu!wrightk5 From: kristen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: gold paint Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 17:38:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar9.93828.0> References: <<1997Mar4.65222.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Well, Angelo spray painted the back of > cathedrals with either gold or silver "bumper paint" (depending on the > color of the cathedral) thereby instantly making them opaque, I just got back from a trip to St. Louis MO. This technique has been done for many years, but with gold leafing. The St. Louis Cathedral has the largest collection of moasics in any one place. From the moment I stepped into the building my mouth was on the floor, The whole cealing and most of the walls are covered with moasic murals. They use the Byzantine method for most of the walls, but two of the chapels have Italian moasics. And I thought the city only had a big metal arch. -- [ Kristen ] [ wrightk5@pilot.msu.edu ] [ ] [ I speak for my self and only represent everything that I am. ] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 14:35:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3rAw-0000Vta; Sun, 9 Mar 97 14:34 PST X-Path: pilot.msu.edu!wrightk5 From: kristen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: painting cathedral Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 17:38:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar9.93855.0> References: <<1997Mar4.175425.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: >About the > only cathedral I've used was a deep purple because it looked black in the > stone. I didn't think I'd have much use for my cathedral scraps, but > you've given me even more ideas. I might try other colors, like white > paint too, and then could try etching something in the paint...... > Thanks so much for sharing that. \ At Delphi I learned to use my cathedral scraps in moasics without painting them. They look wonderful with the cement showing through, especially if the glass has a techture in it then the depth of the stone is changed. -- [ Kristen ] [ wrightk5@pilot.msu.edu ] [ ] [ I speak for my self and only represent everything that I am. ] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 16:08:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3scl-000162a; Sun, 9 Mar 97 16:07 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 19:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar9.141119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Barbara, and others going to show; have only heard from a couple of you at this time , one saying to meet at Emerald and the other at Delphi. Makes no difference to me so lets stick with Delphi. I'm on my way Monday morning so hope to see some of you at 1.00 pm Saturday. Doubt if I will see any replies before i leave. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 16:23:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3srZ-0000Sya; Sun, 9 Mar 97 16:22 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Sun, 09 Mar 97 18:25:11 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar10.22511.0> References: <<1997Mar9.141119.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk lets stick with Delphi. I'm on my way Monday morning so hope to see some of you at 1.00 pm Saturday. Doug Scale Hi, This is Dawn. Unfortunately, I'm not going to get to make it to Veg= as for the show this year due to my work schedule. I was really looking = forward to the show and a chance to meet you all. But, there's next year= I guess. Have a great time! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 16:31:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3szz-0000bFa; Sun, 9 Mar 97 16:31 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Doug Scale Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:27:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar9.82724.0> References: <<1997Mar9.141119.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Doug: Delphi it is. Have a safe trip. It will be great meeting people you feel you already know. Bye. See you There. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 9 20:37:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w3wou-0000Lia; Sun, 9 Mar 97 20:36 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vases ... and epoxy Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:40:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199703100436.XAA05205@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A manufacturer in Hialeah, Fl called Fasco makes some excellent clear epoxies. I don't know of any epoxy (or resin) which stays clear forever; it seems there is *some* yellowing over time, but I'm very impressed with Fasco's products. They make epoxies and resins and epoxy paints, BTW, for all sorts of applications and are extremely helpful. M.-J. On 9 Mar 97, I found these words from izzy3@ix.netcom.com in my mailbox: > On 03/09/97 13:28:21 you wrote: > > > >Have been making stained glass vases for some time, but have not > >yet found anything that works consisently to seal them well enough > >to hold water. A plastic craft spray works most of the time, > >Aquarium sealant is hard to use inside the vases and looks messy > > Mike Barr Flowers Etc Metairie, La > > > Try a commercial grade epoxy. There are a few out there that are > used to seal the interior of tanks, so water should not be a > problem. The only drawback is that it is very difficult to find a > water clear epoxy, most have a slight cast. It will require some leg > work to find the mfg of these especialy to find clear. One place to > try is a company called Abatron in Wisconsin. > > goos luck > > ms > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 03:23:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w43Af-0001Gla; Mon, 10 Mar 97 03:23 PST X-Path: fast.net!warnerc From: Warner-Crivellaro To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:19:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar10.11946.0> References: <<1997Mar9.141119.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Doug Scale wrote: > > Peggy, Barbara, and others going to show; have only heard from a couple > of you at this time , one saying to meet at Emerald and the other at > Delphi. Makes no difference to me so lets stick with Delphi. I'm on my > way Monday morning so hope to see some of you at 1.00 pm Saturday. Doubt > if I will see any replies before i leave. > > Doug Scale > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Just wanted to let the group know that Warner-Crivellaro will be out in Vegas also at booth #123. You can meet the "Big Boss" Charles Warner there. He's been very helpful with answering all of your questions and he's real excited to meet the group! And you will be able to take part in the amazing show specials that we will have. Have a safe and wonderful trip! Elenie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 07:51:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w47KU-0000uza; Mon, 10 Mar 97 07:49 PST X-Path: monstermetals.com!monster From: "Monster" To: Subject: New site Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199703101549.KAA27412@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just wanted to let everyone know that you can now check out Monster Metals online at http://www.monstermetals.com Enjoy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 08:18:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w47KU-0000uza; Mon, 10 Mar 97 07:49 PST X-Path: monstermetals.com!monster From: "Monster" To: Subject: New site Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:43:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199703101549.KAA27412@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Just wanted to let everyone know that you can now check out Monster Metals online at http://www.monstermetals.com Enjoy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 16:31:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4FSr-0001SDa; Mon, 10 Mar 97 16:30 PST X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Not Receiving Mail Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:30:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar10.143032.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Haven't received any "bungi" mail in about 2 weeks. What happened? Am I still on the list? I did not remove myself, but have been away for that time. Please reinstate me, if for some reason, I'm not on the receiving list anymore. Miss all you folks with stained glass information and happy banter...well...sometimes not so happy...but always entertaining. Lavergne (The contented Lurker) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 18:55:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4HiF-0000BKa; Mon, 10 Mar 97 18:54 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: StnGlsTres@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass and such Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:09:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199703110254.CAA06410@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, Thanks for your e-mail. I don't know how long you have dipped into Glass@Bungi. You will probably have got the flavour that I am quite keen in establishing some kind of rapport, contact and personal interchanges between us here in Europe with you lot over there in USA/Canada (etc.) Stained glass is universal and internaational and I intend to make sure (as far as I can) to keep this idea open, sensitive and alive. I have not received - so far - any contact from your "person" (you said it was not a friend, but just someone you had made contact with...). Sure I am open and sure I am very happy to connect up as long as it is a fairly mutual thing. I don't know when your "contact" proposes to be in UK; but if you have followed the thread in Glass@Bungi, you will know that the week after Easter (and the time before it) is totally dedicated to the long proposed and now realized trip to Chartres in France, to which I am the hostess of 3- 4 visitors from USA Glass@Bungi visitors. I am providing for them, housing them, feeding them, nurturing them and will hopefully send them back to USA with very fond and rich memories of their visit to UK and France. THAT is my priority for the next 4 weeks. I will be delighted to help in any way I can; but within the context that from NOW until 10th April (or thereabouts), my entire focus will be - in a single-minded way - dedicated towards a venture/ a project that has been almost 12 months "pregnant", resulting in a small number of US visitors from "Glass@Bungi" Group from USA here in UK. THEY will command my time and attention....... Your "profuse apologies" have been whole-heartedly taken aboard and accepted. I do so hope that your "contact" will be in UK only after 10th April. Please tell me more. For sake of good order, I am alo posting a copy of this e-mail in "Glass@Bungi" Group I look forward to hearing from you. Elisabeth 'n Toby From: StnGlsTres@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:32:05 -0500 (EST) To: toby@northlights.co.uk Subject: Glass and such Hi Elisabeth (and Toby!) - my name is Stephanie and I'm on the bungi.com glass mailing list. This is quite a bit after the fact, and I apologize for my possible bad manners. I recently gave your email address to a lady here in the States who was going to be going to England soon, as a contact to get some information on stained glass places to see while she was there. This is not someone I knew, either, I found her in the stained glass area on America Online asking if anyone knew anything about stained glass in England. Based solely on my impressions from reading your delightful posts on the mailing list, I presumed to give her your email address because I felt you would not in the least mind helping her in whatever way you would be able to. I hope that this was not a terrible imposition and presumption on my part, and profusely apologize if it was. I should have asked your permission first, but as I understood from her message, the trip was happening quite soon. At the very least, perhaps I should have done it the other way around, sent you HER email address and let you contact her if you had wanted to. So if I intruded and overstepped, my humble apologies. "Woof" to Toby from Max and McGruff....and "meow" from Rascal, Kasha, Patches, Tigger and Felix. Stephanie Hansen/Dallas, Texas, USA ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 18:55:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4Hi7-0000v2a; Mon, 10 Mar 97 18:54 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Catalog - Christmas again!!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:09:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199703110254.CAA06417@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Elenie, Out on a limb, totally GREEN with envy at all what you folks do in USA; my local Postman (who delivers mail around here as and when it doesn't interfers with his tea-breaks!!) Had great difficulties in ramming down a great big fat catalogue down my letter-box this morning (together with the gas-bill, electricity-bill, the phone-bill and YEP!!! every other bill you can imagine!"!) AAaaahhhh!!!! A few moment into fantasyland, where dreams can be allowed to be and - who knows - one day translated into reality. To cut a long story short: YEP got your catalogue! THANK YOU, thank you, once again Thank you. Now allow me to get back to drooling, looking, thinking , planning and scheming,...... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 19:45:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w4Hi7-0000v2a; Mon, 10 Mar 97 18:54 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Catalog - Christmas again!!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:09:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199703110254.CAA06417@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Elenie, Out on a limb, totally GREEN with envy at all what you folks do in USA; my local Postman (who delivers mail around here as and when it doesn't interfers with his tea-breaks!!) Had great difficulties in ramming down a great big fat catalogue down my letter-box this morning (together with the gas-bill, electricity-bill, the phone-bill and YEP!!! every other bill you can imagine!"!) AAaaahhhh!!!! A few moment into fantasyland, where dreams can be allowed to be and - who knows - one day translated into reality. To cut a long story short: YEP got your catalogue! THANK YOU, thank you, once again Thank you. Now allow me to get back to drooling, looking, thinking , planning and scheming,...... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 20:10:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w4HiF-0000BKa; Mon, 10 Mar 97 18:54 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: StnGlsTres@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass and such Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:09:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199703110254.CAA06410@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, Thanks for your e-mail. I don't know how long you have dipped into Glass@Bungi. You will probably have got the flavour that I am quite keen in establishing some kind of rapport, contact and personal interchanges between us here in Europe with you lot over there in USA/Canada (etc.) Stained glass is universal and internaational and I intend to make sure (as far as I can) to keep this idea open, sensitive and alive. I have not received - so far - any contact from your "person" (you said it was not a friend, but just someone you had made contact with...). Sure I am open and sure I am very happy to connect up as long as it is a fairly mutual thing. I don't know when your "contact" proposes to be in UK; but if you have followed the thread in Glass@Bungi, you will know that the week after Easter (and the time before it) is totally dedicated to the long proposed and now realized trip to Chartres in France, to which I am the hostess of 3- 4 visitors from USA Glass@Bungi visitors. I am providing for them, housing them, feeding them, nurturing them and will hopefully send them back to USA with very fond and rich memories of their visit to UK and France. THAT is my priority for the next 4 weeks. I will be delighted to help in any way I can; but within the context that from NOW until 10th April (or thereabouts), my entire focus will be - in a single-minded way - dedicated towards a venture/ a project that has been almost 12 months "pregnant", resulting in a small number of US visitors from "Glass@Bungi" Group from USA here in UK. THEY will command my time and attention....... Your "profuse apologies" have been whole-heartedly taken aboard and accepted. I do so hope that your "contact" will be in UK only after 10th April. Please tell me more. For sake of good order, I am alo posting a copy of this e-mail in "Glass@Bungi" Group I look forward to hearing from you. Elisabeth 'n Toby From: StnGlsTres@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:32:05 -0500 (EST) To: toby@northlights.co.uk Subject: Glass and such Hi Elisabeth (and Toby!) - my name is Stephanie and I'm on the bungi.com glass mailing list. This is quite a bit after the fact, and I apologize for my possible bad manners. I recently gave your email address to a lady here in the States who was going to be going to England soon, as a contact to get some information on stained glass places to see while she was there. This is not someone I knew, either, I found her in the stained glass area on America Online asking if anyone knew anything about stained glass in England. Based solely on my impressions from reading your delightful posts on the mailing list, I presumed to give her your email address because I felt you would not in the least mind helping her in whatever way you would be able to. I hope that this was not a terrible imposition and presumption on my part, and profusely apologize if it was. I should have asked your permission first, but as I understood from her message, the trip was happening quite soon. At the very least, perhaps I should have done it the other way around, sent you HER email address and let you contact her if you had wanted to. So if I intruded and overstepped, my humble apologies. "Woof" to Toby from Max and McGruff....and "meow" from Rascal, Kasha, Patches, Tigger and Felix. Stephanie Hansen/Dallas, Texas, USA ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 11 00:55:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4NKX-0000JQa; Tue, 11 Mar 97 00:54 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Resizing pattersn Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 03:54:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar10.225438.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << size you want >> In my neck of the woods we have Kinko copier service stores. They can print out lare copies (such as 2 x 3 feet) which are cheaper than the blueprint services. They also have cardboard the same size if you want to avoid tracing onto tag bord for about $4. I would think most urban areas have something similar to Kinko's. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 11 01:14:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4Nc6-00004oa; Tue, 11 Mar 97 01:12 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 04:12:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar10.231249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << Warner-Crivellaro will be out in Vegas also at booth #123. >> Sounds like a much bigger trade show than in the past. That's great! Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 11 03:25:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4PgT-0001Ika; Tue, 11 Mar 97 03:25 PST X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: Sue Eiszler <1091@nethawk.com> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: class drop out Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 03:25 PST Message-ID: References: <<199606171954.PAA25564@vixa.voyager.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, Is it too late to drop out of the lamp class with Joe Porcelli and still get my money back? I broke my foot on Saturday and don't think I will be able to withstand 8 hours of standing on crutches and not being able to elevate my leg not to mention the 75 minute drive to and from. Let me know, please. If it isn't too late, I did charge it to my Visa (which I hope is in your records so I don't have to send the numbers over the Internet). Thanks. Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 11 04:00:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4QEO-0001Gia; Tue, 11 Mar 97 04:00 PST X-Path: agate.net!sjmfamly From: "Freezin'inMaine" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: class drop out Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 07:00:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703111200.HAA24247@service.agate.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, Is it too late to drop out of the lamp class with Joe Porcelli and still get my money back? I broke my foot on Saturday and don't think I will be able to withstand 8 hours of standing on crutches and not being able to elevate my leg not to mention the 75 minute drive to and from. Let me know, please. If it isn't too late, I did charge it to my Visa (which I hope is in your records so I don't have to send the numbers over the Internet). Thanks. Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 11 16:41:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4c64-0000a0a; Tue, 11 Mar 97 16:40 PST X-Path: iscweb.com!sherrip From: Sherri Pierce To: glass@bungi.com Subject: pzaz luster brush Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar11.9385.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pzaz Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Received a communique from Jennifer at Art Glass World on the synthetic steel. Very interesting. Will look for it. We use the regular steel wool product on our glass and lead and indeed it does leave metal fragments. Our luster brush is made out of natural bristles. It's 6" round and fits on the end of a 3/8 drill. After you finish your project, grout and clean, buff the lead to a high black shine. Don't have your address to send more info. See our page at artglassworld.com/studio/pzaz Sherri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 12:08:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4uIW-0000Sga; Wed, 12 Mar 97 12:06 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Where is every one? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar12.10920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A84`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S`' ``0```!0```!7:&5R92!I2!O;F4_``(!<0`!```` M%@````&\+R%%K/4_]4J:UQ'0N^ `W0$5E<@``!X`'@P!````!0```%--5% ` M````'@`?# $````2````;&-B96QL0&UE;6%C:"YC;VT````#``80-595L ,` M!Q!$````'@`($ $```!%````24A!5D5.3U1'3U1414Y!4TE.1TQ%34534T%' M151/1$%95TA%4D5!4D593U4_3$E.1$%#04U00D5,3%-51D9/3$LL5D$````` M`@$)$ $```#B````W@```%P!``!,6D9UDV\A0/\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R M"0(`8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P)S=&5M`H,S-P+D!Q,"@S0$ M1A,S,2#W"%4'L@* ?0J ",\)V0* !PJ!#;$+8&YG,3 S+Q10"PH580OR8PW@ M($F"(!& =F4@;F\%0,YG'" 3T .@82 `D!G 1FP;\ >!0A@/PJ%"H4.3 N '? 64&%M<&+(96QL"H53=0W0!O!@ M:RP@5D$*A1 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4uiI-0000SHa; Wed, 12 Mar 97 12:33 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:36:04 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > well patina can always be a pain, though it's mainly the flux removal > that's the most difficult. it also depends on what kind of flux your > using, like if you use paste flux, some of it may remain on the glass, > and then re-contaminate the solder when you dry the glass. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- I' just a beginner, but if you have a well ventilated area or a solder smoke remover, get a can of breake cleaner or barb and choke cleaner from the auto parts store,and use that just before the patina. I find it works great Scott Without population control, allenvironmental gains are temporary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 13:25:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4vVm-0000ERa; Wed, 12 Mar 97 13:24 PST X-Path: nortel.ca!rstoker From: "Richard Stoker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Solder finish Date: 12 Mar 1997 15:56 EST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A technique we have used with considerable success is to apply the patina simultaneously with one of the somewhat abrasive cleaners for copper/brass (e.g. Twinkle (TM)). Apply with a Scotch Brite pad or similar and it cleans the came or the copper foil solder at the same time as depositing a nice patina. All the usual rules apply (e.g. rubber gloves, good ventilation, don't dump the mess down the drain, etc.). Regards, Richard Stoker, Turtle Bay Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 14:32:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4wYc-0000H0a; Wed, 12 Mar 97 14:31 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Where is every one? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 16:34:25 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar13.03425.0> References: <<1997Mar12.10920.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm glad to hear from someone on the list. I was beginning to think I got disconnected somehow. (Too many amateur questions!) I suppose everyone is just very busy right now working on their stained glass and attending the show in Vegas. Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone thinking more about spring than their soldering irons? Dawn >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > >Linda Campbell >Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 15:10:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4x7L-0000UIa; Wed, 12 Mar 97 15:07 PST X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:52:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar12.105215.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? Sue Reitmann Mpls.MN < snip>Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone thinking more about spring than their soldering irons? Dawn >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > >Linda Campbell >Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 15:12:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w4wYc-0000H0a; Wed, 12 Mar 97 14:31 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Where is every one? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 16:34:25 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar13.03425.0> References: <<1997Mar12.10920.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm glad to hear from someone on the list. I was beginning to think I got disconnected somehow. (Too many amateur questions!) I suppose everyone is just very busy right now working on their stained glass and attending the show in Vegas. Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone thinking more about spring than their soldering irons? Dawn >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > >Linda Campbell >Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 15:20:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4xJf-0000Lsa; Wed, 12 Mar 97 15:20 PST X-Path: aol.com!SUGR5 From: SUGR5@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Where is every one? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:20:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar12.13207.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk hi to the few that seem to be here today, Just popped in to check my mail, and guess what...only 1 email. How do I get my daily fix of glass talk? I don't know. Oh well, will probably hear a lot about the vegas show when everyone gets back. Looking forward to it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 16:26:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4yKs-0000Q2a; Wed, 12 Mar 97 16:25 PST X-Path: gunnison.com!debbi From: Debi Overton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:27:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Mar12.102733.0> References: <<1997Mar12.105215.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reitmann wrote: > > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? > Sue Reitmann > Mpls.MN Or in Gunnison, Colorado. It did get above freezing today though, maybe someday we'll see flowers. -Debi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 16:28:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4yNN-0000Yba; Wed, 12 Mar 97 16:28 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Where is every one? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:32:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199703130028.TAA20818@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No daffodils here either in the Florida Keys ... I spent the day working on a mosaic for a bathroom floor. I drew the wavy outline for the border and placed the main attraction, a leggy octopus! Finished the fin on the seahorse. :D I love this work! M.-J. On 12 Mar 97, I found these words from Dawn in my mailbox: > Hi, I'm glad to hear from someone on the list. I was beginning to > think I got disconnected somehow. (Too many amateur questions!) I > suppose everyone is just very busy right now working on their > stained glass and attending the show in Vegas. Or could it be that > the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone > thinking > more about spring than their soldering irons? > Dawn > > >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > > > >Linda Campbell > >Suffolk, VA > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 16:52:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4ykV-0000Pna; Wed, 12 Mar 97 16:52 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:47:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar12.84755.0> References: <<1997Mar12.102733.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Debi Overton wrote: > > Reitmann wrote: > > > > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? > > Sue Reitmann > > Mpls.MN > > Or in Gunnison, Colorado. It did get above freezing today though, maybe > someday we'll see flowers. > > -Debi > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Still have snow here! Bonnie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 12 17:15:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w4z6r-000059a; Wed, 12 Mar 97 17:15 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:10:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970226071641.1c275d6a@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm here and listening... (or should say reading), but hard at work on some commisions which have to be finished in 3 weeks....of course since I am under a deadline, I cracked a piece of waterglass while soldering.... will have to take it out and replace it now....sigh... hope this is the only breakage in this color or I'll soon have to make a 5 hour trip for more glass too. Meg At 05:27 PM 3/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Reitmann wrote: >> >> Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? >> Sue Reitmann >> Mpls.MN > >Or in Gunnison, Colorado. It did get above freezing today though, maybe >someday we'll see flowers. > >-Debi >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 04:15:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w59PQ-00004ba; Thu, 13 Mar 97 04:15 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970313071510.0068d2c4@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:10 PM 3/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >I'm here and listening... (or should say reading), but hard at work on some >commisions which have to be finished in 3 weeks....of course since I am >under a deadline, I cracked a piece of waterglass while soldering.... will >have to take it out and replace it now....sigh... hope this is the only >breakage in this color or I'll soon have to make a 5 hour trip for more >glass too. Meg My too, I'm hard at work on a VERY difficult design...designed by ME! And I also got down to the last sq foot of Crystal Ice that I was using and the imprint of it is not as deep as the last piece I had gotten...shame shame Spectrum! However, it will be another trip to pick up more glass, then I'll be back in business again and in a better mood to talk about glass, as well as spring and daffodils. BTW haven't seen any in Ohio yet. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 05:07:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5ADY-0000Qva; Thu, 13 Mar 97 05:06 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:52:15 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar13.155215.0> References: <<1997Mar12.102733.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The tulips, iris's and most early spring flowers are poking thier heads thru the ground here in IN. but that doesn't mean they won't be killed by winters last snow joke on us all. Enjoy your day and thanks for all the help with various stained glass projects. I'm just now trying to start my own stained glass company so if any of you have any good ideas on how to get it going and remain successful I'd appreciate your sharing your knowledge. Mary On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:47:55 -0800 Bonnie Clark writes: >Debi Overton wrote: >> >> Reitmann wrote: >> > >> > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in >Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? >> > Sue Reitmann >> > Mpls.MN >> >> Or in Gunnison, Colorado. It did get above freezing today though, >maybe >> someday we'll see flowers. >> >> -Debi >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >Still have snow here! Bonnie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 05:32:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5Abm-00005Wa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 05:31 PST X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:27:43 EST Message-ID: <970313.083025.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1997Mar13.155215.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Crocuses blooming next to the house, daffodil and tulip leaves coming through the soil, winter storm watch for tomorrow. Now that it's almost spring, winter has arrived. I have to detour on the way home to buy solder or I won't make it through the weekend -- and I am not going to drive through snow and sleet up the BIG hill to my supplier tomorrow. I'm making nightlights and mirrors right now, with my first craft show of the year in just over a week. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 06:11:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5BDk-0000Qaa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 06:11 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:13:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.41314.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is what I like about this list. Ask a simple question and folks come from everywhere with news of what they have been doing. I completed the Prairie lamp shade like the one on the cover of Delphi. It was a snap with Emerald Rainbow's Scoreboard. The fella I did it for couldn't wait til May to give it to his wife for their anniversary so he gave it to her right away. That was the largest project I have tackled so far and I found that you just can't trust patterns to line up at the corners and such. Fortunately I had seen something here to that affect and so I checked and corrected ahead of time. Thanks, Guys. Linda Campbell INTP My opinions are not necessarily those of Metro Machine Corporation Crocuses blooming next to the house, daffodil and tulip leaves coming through the soil, winter storm watch for tomorrow. Now that it's almost spring, winter has arrived. I have to detour on the way home to buy solder or I won't make it through the weekend -- and I am not going to drive through snow and sleet up the BIG hill to my supplier tomorrow. 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MD3\Q,EG$8@0)X!^0(D$M+?`#T``0````4```!213H@`````*W9 ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 06:44:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5Bk2-0000UJa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 06:44 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.44222.0> References: <<1997Mar13.41314.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well, so far so good, not much snow in new jersey. it's acually been sort of spring like, i think the crocusus popped out, though i think they froze solid last night. oh well. lately i just finsished the plans for a very complex box, the design it self took over 30 hours to do, i figure it'll take me another 90 or so hours to complete. i was going to get glass for it, drive down to the store (not calling first, figuring it would be there), get there and the stores empty! boy i was pretty suprised at that, the store i've been going to for over 12 years, suddenly gone. i found out after calling his new number, that he had to move because of a suddenly higher rent. he did'nt even call me, i must have spent thousands of dollars at his store over the year...so now i have to drive twice as far to a different slightly more expensive store. but at least in any case there's a much bigger selection. the other thing i started to do is, working on my web page, it's about half done, a few new pages, new pix, and some close ups. i'll of course let everyone know when it's done... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 07:02:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5C11-0000Uwa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 07:01 PST X-Path: tvutel.com!jandj From: jandj To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:54:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.25434.0> References: <<1997Mar12.105215.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reitmann wrote: > > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? > Sue Reitmann > Mpls.MN > > < snip>Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone thinking > more about spring than their soldering irons? > Dawn > > >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > > > >Linda Campbell > >Suffolk, VA > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass And your getting another storm today! Why do we live here????? It must shorten our lives somehow. Well solder away!!! >From 300 miles north of you....... Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 07:25:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w5Bk2-0000UJa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 06:44 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.44222.0> References: <<1997Mar13.41314.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well, so far so good, not much snow in new jersey. it's acually been sort of spring like, i think the crocusus popped out, though i think they froze solid last night. oh well. lately i just finsished the plans for a very complex box, the design it self took over 30 hours to do, i figure it'll take me another 90 or so hours to complete. i was going to get glass for it, drive down to the store (not calling first, figuring it would be there), get there and the stores empty! boy i was pretty suprised at that, the store i've been going to for over 12 years, suddenly gone. i found out after calling his new number, that he had to move because of a suddenly higher rent. he did'nt even call me, i must have spent thousands of dollars at his store over the year...so now i have to drive twice as far to a different slightly more expensive store. but at least in any case there's a much bigger selection. the other thing i started to do is, working on my web page, it's about half done, a few new pages, new pix, and some close ups. i'll of course let everyone know when it's done... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 07:54:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w5C11-0000Uwa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 07:01 PST X-Path: tvutel.com!jandj From: jandj To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:54:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.25434.0> References: <<1997Mar12.105215.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reitmann wrote: > > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? > Sue Reitmann > Mpls.MN > > < snip>Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone thinking > more about spring than their soldering irons? > Dawn > > >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > > > >Linda Campbell > >Suffolk, VA > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass And your getting another storm today! Why do we live here????? It must shorten our lives somehow. Well solder away!!! >From 300 miles north of you....... Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 08:32:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5DPz-0000NEa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:31 PST X-Path: aol.com!WLester380 From: WLester380@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:31:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar13.63138.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry All, It is beautiful here in Northern California. As another one who didn't go to Vegas I too found it lonely on the e-mail front on Tuesday. Looks like it's picked up a little. Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 09:38:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5ERo-0000ZBa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 09:37 PST X-Path: nortel.ca!rstoker From: "Richard Stoker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: 13 Mar 1997 12:09 EST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk All this talk of daffodils and crocuses (croci?) brings tears to my eyes. I'm looking out at 4 feet of snow from my studio window and no sign that the 15-20 degrees below zero (centigrade) temperatures are going to moderate anytime soon. So, enjoy your spring-like weather everyone :) I'll have the last laugh though when you are all in the sweltering 90's while I work in non-airconditioned comfort here in the Canadian northland. One advantage, though, is that it forces us to concentrate on getting the glass out. Always more work than time it seems! Best to all, Richard Stoker--- Turtle Bay Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 10:21:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5F7K-0000Aza; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:20 PST X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:54:49 -0600 Message-ID: <199703131820.SAA26083@email6.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >A better mood to talk about glass, as >well as spring and daffodils. BTW haven't seen any in Ohio yet. None blooming yet in Chicago, but they're coming up in my yard . Hopefully they won't drown . Must be the time of year for getting stuff done and working up for shows, yes? Paula pjnjril@ngai.com The Glass Dog Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 11:11:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5Fte-0000Pta; Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:10 PST X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sunbeams going your way - was No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:17:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.71755.0> References: <<1997Mar12.84755.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Hi All, If I could figure out how to do a sunshine on the computer, I'd do it to send some sun your way - down here Spring Breakers are partying at the beach - alas, I'm at work. Since I can't send a sun, I'll just think some sunbeams toward your northern climes... Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 11:12:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w5F7K-0000Aza; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:20 PST X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:54:49 -0600 Message-ID: <199703131820.SAA26083@email6.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >A better mood to talk about glass, as >well as spring and daffodils. BTW haven't seen any in Ohio yet. None blooming yet in Chicago, but they're coming up in my yard . Hopefully they won't drown . Must be the time of year for getting stuff done and working up for shows, yes? Paula pjnjril@ngai.com The Glass Dog Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 11:22:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5G4l-0000fJa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:22 PST X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Art Glass World Update Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:21:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703131921.OAA18181@digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---Art Glass World Update--- New Members--- The Glass Giraffe The Glass GiraffeTM Presents is a series of programs dedicated to improving the practical skills of glass hobbyists at all levels of ability. 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State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 13:10:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5Hkq-0000Xxa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:09 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained glass ceiling Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 15:10:29 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar13.231029.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good afternoon everyone, I came across something recently and wanted to see if anyone has any knowledge of experience with this. A couple of weeks ago I met a very nice lady at a stained glass store in St. Louis (Leslile at St. Louis Stained Glass Studio--want to give credit where credit is due!), and she was telling me that she did her ent= ire bathroom ceiling in stained glass! She evidently had some sort of drop ceiling setup that was lighted from above. She designed her panels from quilting patterns, and made the each of the panels a manageable size so that the light bulbs could be changed easily. She also told me that she soldered chains on each of the panels that were connected to the ceiling, for safety's sake. It sounded absolutely intriguing and I was very interested to see if anyone else has tried this. If so, it would be great to hear about your experience = with it. I'm getting ready to remodel my bathroom, and all of a sudden I'm thinking of all kinds of wonderful places to put stained glass. It will be nice to keep some for a change, rather than giving everything away! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 14:36:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5J5O-0000fga; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:34 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:32:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.123253.0> References: <<1997Mar13.231029.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Good afternoon everyone, > > I came across something recently and wanted to see if anyone has > any knowledge of experience with this. > > A couple of weeks ago I met a very nice lady at a stained glass store > in St. Louis (Leslile at St. Louis Stained Glass Studio--want to give > credit where credit is due!), and she was telling me that she did her ent= > ire bathroom ceiling in stained glass! She evidently had some sort > of drop ceiling setup that was lighted from above. She designed her > panels from quilting patterns, and made the each of the panels a > manageable size so that the light bulbs could be changed easily. She > also told me that she soldered chains on each of the panels that were > connected to the ceiling, for safety's sake. It sounded > absolutely intriguing and I was very interested to see if anyone else > has tried this. If so, it would be great to hear about your experience = > > with it. > > I'm getting ready to remodel my bathroom, and all of a sudden I'm > thinking of all kinds of wonderful places to put stained glass. It will > be nice to keep some for a change, rather than giving everything > away! > > Dawn > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass one thing to think about is, the steam. other wise you may have mildew problems, which of course is even harder to remove cleanly on a stained glass ceiling. then of course is the color issue. keeping light colors there will give it an open look, where as darker color's are more closed in. then of course the design, do you lay back in the tub, if so you may want a nice relaxing design that you can follow while relaxing. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 15:43:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5K9d-0000lsa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 15:43 PST X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:43:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar13.134319.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dawn, My in-laws had a powder room with a stained glass piece suspended from heavy duty chains in the corners (heavy wooden frame on the piece) and the lights were above the glass. The rest of the bathroom was all covered in mirror so the only color was from the glass. It was gorgeous. Lots of ruby red roses and deep emerald green leaves etc. Evidently it had enough either clear English muffle or ripple glass for there to be enough light to see in there. And there wasn't the issue of steam and mildew because it was a powder room instead of the regular bath. I'd never seen this before or since and unfortunately, they moved a while before I became interested enough in stained glass to look more closely at the construction of it! But I'll never forget how beautiful it was. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 15:49:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5KFF-0000lMa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 15:49 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:45:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.74513.0> References: <<1997Mar13.231029.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Good afternoon everyone, > > I came across something recently and wanted to see if anyone has > any knowledge of experience with this. > > A couple of weeks ago I met a very nice lady at a stained glass store > in St. Louis (Leslile at St. Louis Stained Glass Studio--want to give > credit where credit is due!), and she was telling me that she did her ent= > ire bathroom ceiling in stained glass! She evidently had some sort > of drop ceiling setup that was lighted from above. She designed her > panels from quilting patterns, and made the each of the panels a > manageable size so that the light bulbs could be changed easily. She > also told me that she soldered chains on each of the panels that were > connected to the ceiling, for safety's sake. It sounded > absolutely intriguing and I was very interested to see if anyone else > has tried this. If so, it would be great to hear about your experience = > > with it. > > I'm getting ready to remodel my bathroom, and all of a sudden I'm > thinking of all kinds of wonderful places to put stained glass. It will > be nice to keep some for a change, rather than giving everything > away! > > Dawn > >Don Michaud who is the guy I took my stained glass lessons from is presently doing ceiling panels out of stained glass too. I believe he is alternating his with real panels. I saw one he was working on and he is putting lots of reinforcement in them since they will be at a horizontal angle all the time. I got the impression his will just lay up there like a normal ceiling panel though. Bonnie Clark > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 16:41:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5L3N-0000lCa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 16:41 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:37:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.143718.0> References: <<1997Mar13.25434.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Here in Sarasota it is Summer already, the 3 bare root roses I ordered from Jackson & Perkins got here yesterday-so spent most of yesterday and today doing Patio Gardening. Got all three potted up, cleaned up the mess of dirt and broken pot, (I always manage to break a clay pot or two). We have had a drought here, but weather says we may get a little really needed rain tommorrow. I has been in the 80s for weeks it seems. So my Patio Pots are growing like mad. Tomato's have been bearing for a few weeks too. So maybe now I can get back to doing glass. Mike's new box sounds interesting, can't wait to see pictures of it. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > > > > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? > > Sue Reitmann > > Mpls.MN > > > > < snip>Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and daylillies have everyone thinking > > more about spring than their soldering irons? > > Dawn > > > > >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? > > > > > >Linda Campbell > And your getting another storm today! Why do we live here????? It must > shorten our lives somehow. Well solder away!!! > > >From 300 miles north of you....... > Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 18:01:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5MIw-0000lAa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 18:01 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:47:51 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar14.44751.0> References: <<1997Mar13.25434.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Maybe you have a garage that you could convert into living space and I'll come there to live. Weather sounds great!! Mary On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:37:18 -0500 leestat7 writes: >Here in Sarasota it is Summer already, the 3 bare root roses I ordered >from Jackson & Perkins got here yesterday-so spent most of yesterday >and >today doing Patio Gardening. Got all three potted up, cleaned up the >mess of dirt and broken pot, (I always manage to break a clay pot or >two). We have had a drought here, but weather says we may get a >little >really needed rain tommorrow. I has been in the 80s for weeks it >seems. >So my Patio Pots are growing like mad. Tomato's have been bearing for >a >few weeks too. So maybe now I can get back to doing glass. Mike's >new >box sounds interesting, can't wait to see pictures of it. > >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations >> > >> > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in >Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? >> > Sue Reitmann >> > Mpls.MN >> > >> > < snip>Or could it be that the popping up daffodils, tullips and >daylillies have everyone thinking >> > more about spring than their soldering irons? >> > Dawn >> > >> > >I have not gotten a single message today. Where are you? >> > > >> > >Linda Campbell > >> And your getting another storm today! Why do we live here????? It >must >> shorten our lives somehow. Well solder away!!! >> >> >From 300 miles north of you....... >> Jackie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 19:12:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5NPn-0000Zsa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 19:12 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Mary J Austin Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 19:10:58 -0500 Message-ID: <199703140312.TAA17365@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Looks like a lot of bytes for a post of a few lines. Perhaps we can not always include past posted posted posted posted posts. Anybody out there actually doing any glass???? I for one am in the process of finishing an 18" Poppy. Have two more comissions to do....Been busy! enjoy......................H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 19:24:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5NbF-0000GGa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 19:24 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:24:04 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already" on Mar 13, 19:10, Elaine & Howard Rubin writes:] > -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > Anybody out there actually doing any glass???? I just finished doing a dragon from the Monster Metals. I was quite satisfied with the outcome. I plan on putting it up on the web page soon. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 20:41:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5OnQ-0000MLa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 20:40 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar13.182835.0> References: <<1997Mar13.44222.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > well, What ever happened to 'whelp'? Get tired of explaining what it means? I can't add to glass project cuz I've been brewing the last beers of the season before the weather gets too warm. But a question for the group - has anyone used or know a source of 'bubble glass' or 'double reeded'? It looks like a matrix if bulged squares when you look through it. I've used reeded before, but the curved reed lines were concave, this stuff is convex, with the reeded lines going at 90 degrees. I was at a candle shop in CT, whilst visiting friends, and saw a lantern made of this in a wrought iron sconce. The proprietor said a local craftsman made the iron part, and a local woman made the glass insert. She was looking for someone to produce the glass as the woman seemed to have gone AWOL. I suggested something out of other glass, but the owner said this bubble glass was a hot seller. The best I've found out, was that their was a company in England that used to make this. Anyone know where this might be still available?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 20:50:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5Ovx-0000NSa; Thu, 13 Mar 97 20:49 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: published version glass atlas Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970313234948.006a131c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! An update on all my research. On the published version, it would seem that we would need to raise up front money of about $750.00 to $1000.00 in order to publish 250 copies of the glass atlas. And because we only had about 60-70 votes total and about 36 of which were interested in a hard copy of the glass atlas, it would seem to me that raising the money and having 210 copies left over would be a waste. Now the other alternative is to have them printed out on a nice laser printer, and copied at a copy shop on the largest available paper size and mailed out to those who want a hard copy. So far no one has volunteered to take on either the actual publishing (and raising the startup money) or the printing/copying and collecting and mailing, unless we have some new volunteers as of this posting. More discussion about this? New volunteers? I have received about 8 patterns and will soon be getting them on the bungi.com web site, so please continue to work hard on your designs and submit them as they are ready. Hopefully getting them up so all can see will spur on some of you "pattern lurkers" so that we can really get a good pattern archive going. And yes, maybe when all the excitement of the new spring flowers is over, we can get back to business and really do "glass" again. Joyce Send patterns to joyce@mail.bright.net or Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 21:49:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5PrA-0000Cha; Thu, 13 Mar 97 21:48 PST X-Path: acay.com.au!stout From: "john stout" To: Subject: Atlas Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:44:08 +1000 Message-ID: <199703140547.QAA11285@chris.acay.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce wrote, Hi all! An update on all my research. On the published version, it would seem that we would need to raise up front money of about $750.00 to $1000.00 in order to publish 250 copies of the glass atlas. And because we only had about 60-70 votes total and about 36 of which were interested in a hard copy of the glass atlas, it would seem to me that raising the money and having 210 copies left over would be a waste. Now the other alternative is to have them printed out on a nice laser printer, and copied at a copy shop on the largest available paper size and mailed out to those who want a hard copy. So far no one has volunteered to take on either the actual publishing (and raising the startup money) or the printing/copying and collecting and mailing, unless we have some new volunteers as of this posting. Hello everyone at this wonderful site. Isn't it funny. My local stained glass supply shop is half stained glass supplies and half print shop, copy shop. I have to wonder if he knows anything about this site! Rosie Stout ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 14 00:34:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5SRB-0000Bja; Fri, 14 Mar 97 00:34 PST X-Path: direct.ca!kmccullo From: kmccullo@direct.ca To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sunbeams going your way - was No Spring here Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:36:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199703140833.AAA14023@aphex.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Must be catching some of those thoughts of sunbeams up here. Our crocus's have been out for a week now, but then it's snowed for the last two days again. Tulips are half up & suspended in time. Haven't done a whole lot of glass lately as the garage is too cold, & using propane heating gets a little nauseating. And quite frankly cutting glass or soldering with mitts on is not fun. I suppose we up here have nothing to complain about when I see on the news what's happening in some towns in the US. I'm sure that all of the bizzare weather is due to global warming. Karin >If I could figure out how to do a sunshine on the computer, I'd do it to >send some sun your way - down here Spring Breakers are partying at the >beach - alas, I'm at work. Since I can't send a sun, I'll just think >some sunbeams toward your northern climes... > >Linn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 14 06:08:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5Xe4-00003ya; Fri, 14 Mar 97 06:07 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar14.4539.0> References: <<1997Mar13.182835.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk shyguy wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > well, > > What ever happened to 'whelp'? Get tired of explaining what it means? > I can't add to glass project cuz I've been brewing the last beers of the > season before the weather gets too warm. But a question for the group - > has anyone used or know a source of 'bubble glass' or 'double reeded'? > It looks like a matrix if bulged squares when you look through it. I've > used reeded before, but the curved reed lines were concave, this stuff > is convex, with the reeded lines going at 90 degrees. I was at a candle > shop in CT, whilst visiting friends, and saw a lantern made of this in a > wrought iron sconce. The proprietor said a local craftsman made the iron > part, and a local woman made the glass insert. She was looking for > someone to produce the glass as the woman seemed to have gone AWOL. I > suggested something out of other glass, but the owner said this bubble > glass was a hot seller. The best I've found out, was that their was a > company in England that used to make this. Anyone know where this might > be still available?? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i suppose you can always try a regular glass shop, since they specialize in clears anyway...and yeah i'm not waying welp much 'cuz of the "what does welp mean?..." ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 14 08:55:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5aEi-0000Vra; Fri, 14 Mar 97 08:53 PST X-Path: aol.com!WLester380 From: WLester380@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Current Project Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar14.6217.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, Howard. I'm currently working on a 20 X 30 panel titled "Long Stems" consisting of 3 long stem red roses across a background of 6" X 8" clear antique panes. Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 14 08:55:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5aEg-0000VQa; Fri, 14 Mar 97 08:53 PST X-Path: fast.net!warnerc From: Warner-Crivellaro To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: web site Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 11:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar14.62642.0> References: <<199703081523.KAA08105@service.agate.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steven J. Moore wrote: > > Dear Glass@Bungi.com, > > I am new to the net and got your e-mail address from another contact. Could > you reply with your web site address. I understand that your site is quite > active for people who whis to exchange ideas, patterns, etc. > > I have been into stained glass about 15 years. > > Best regards, > Steven J. Moore > 25 Pleasant St > Millinocket, Maine 04462 > cybermeow > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Steven, Our web site address is http://www.warner-criv.com. Hope you enjoy it. Thank you, Elenie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 14 21:09:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5lgU-0000M2a; Fri, 14 Mar 97 21:07 PST X-Path: juno.com!rockingbird From: rockingbird@juno.com (Terry L Biegler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:05:42 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar15.5542.0> References: <<1997Mar12.102733.0>>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hate to rub it in, but my daffodils have already bloomed and are gone! Saw tulips blooming yesterday and the redbud trees are beginning to but out. But it's supposed to freeze tonight! That's Texas. Terry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ ~ Jim & Terry Biegler ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ Rockingbird Studio ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ft. Worth, TX ~ ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> > Not a single sign of a daffodill,tulip, or daylilly here in >>Minnesota.......just MORE snow !!! Will Spring ever come?? >>> > Sue Reitmann >>> > Mpls.MN > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 04:22:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5sSI-0000Vva; Sat, 15 Mar 97 04:20 PST X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 06:20:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <199703151220.GAA28004@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk and she was telling me that she did her ent= >ire bathroom ceiling in stained glass! I was very interested to see if anyone else >has tried this. If so, it would be great to hear about your experience = Hi Dawn, I've done that type of work before and personnaly I don't care for it very much. Panels flush with the ceiling do nothing to enhance sight lines and unless your right underneath looking up they really add very little effect Doing the entire ceiling might be novel, but really! :-) If your interested in lighting a bathroom I think your efforts might be better directed towards a coordinated group of fixtures including wall sconces perhaps an inverted half globe for the ceiling and maybe something for the window or whatever. I've stated before that I find that clients are a little looser when it comes to designing for a bathroom but the ceiling inserts are tepid compared to some other possibilities. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 08:07:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5vyb-0000YQa; Sat, 15 Mar 97 08:06 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar15.617.0> References: <<199703151220.GAA28004@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > and she was telling me that she did her ent= > >ire bathroom ceiling in stained glass! I was very interested to see if > anyone else > >has tried this. If so, it would be great to hear about your experience = > > Hi Dawn, > > I've done that type of work before and personnaly I don't care for it very much. > > Panels flush with the ceiling do nothing to enhance sight lines and unless > your right underneath looking up they really add very little effect > > Doing the entire ceiling might be novel, but really! :-) > > If your interested in lighting a bathroom I think your efforts might be > better directed towards a coordinated group of fixtures including wall > sconces perhaps an inverted half globe for the ceiling and maybe something > for the window or whatever. > > I've stated before that I find that clients are a little looser when it > comes to designing for a bathroom but the ceiling inserts are tepid > compared to some other possibilities. > > Len > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass another possiblity might be this, if you have a fairly high ceiling. make a basic border of say, flowers, or roses, or something. in the center of the cieling attach a lamp branching off the ceiling panels, kinda like an inverted dome, only shaped more like an upside down pool table lamp. though i'm not sure how that would look, it might be too distracting. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - More Tips and Techniques - How to Fix Mistakes - The History of My Shop - My Adventures of Mold Making ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 10:02:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w5xln-0000Pia; Sat, 15 Mar 97 10:01 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: OK my page is finally updated Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:59:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar15.7598.0> References: <<1997Mar14.6217.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I finally upadated my page, i have new pictures and some new guides. with that, i have new shots of the heatf of atlantis, and the japanese garden. put up my links page, and all the stupid awards i've gotten (asked for). ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 23:19:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6AC7-0000LGa; Sat, 15 Mar 97 23:17 PST X-Path: montana.com!chip3 From: Phil Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Mar15.16321.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970313234948.006a131c@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Chip3 Video Precedence: bulk Hi Joyce, Even though we are buried in tax returns, I took the little bit of time I had to take a couple photos of the finished products of the two patterns I am sending. I went to our local print shop and had the patterns reduced down to 81/2 X 11 and will send those plus photos. The patterns are full of my numbering, flux spots and notes. I have been trying to use white-out on most of it so the patterns will be cleaner. But honest, I am sending them to you. It's just that this is our busiest time of year with accounting work, and we have a few heifers due to pop calves any time. It's not spring here in Montana. We had two new inches of snow last night, it's about 30 o and now we're having an ice storm. What a long, dreary winter it's been. Our snowpack is over 150% of normal and looks like we might have a real bout of flooding once it starts to warm at all. I'll do what I can about the hard copies. I am one of those who'd like to have a set of hard copies. What do you suppose would be involved in getting them assembled and distributed to whoever may want a set? Have any suggestions? I'm open to what you have to offer. T. in Montana glasschic wrote: > > Hi all! > > An update on all my research. On the published version, it would seem that > we would need to raise up front money of about $750.00 to $1000.00 in order > to publish 250 copies of the glass atlas. And because we only had about > 60-70 votes total and about 36 of which were interested in a hard copy of > the glass atlas, it would seem to me that raising the money and having 210 > copies left over would be a waste. Now the other alternative is to have > them printed out on a nice laser printer, and copied at a copy shop on the > largest available paper size and mailed out to those who want a hard copy. > So far no one has volunteered to take on either the actual publishing (and > raising the startup money) or the printing/copying and collecting and > mailing, unless we have some new volunteers as of this posting. > > More discussion about this? New volunteers? > > I have received about 8 patterns and will soon be getting them on the > bungi.com web site, so please continue to work hard on your designs and > submit them as they are ready. Hopefully getting them up so all can see > will spur on some of you "pattern lurkers" so that we can really get a good > pattern archive going. And yes, maybe when all the excitement of the new > spring flowers is over, we can get back to business and really do "glass" > again. > > Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 23:20:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6ADg-0000Lla; Sat, 15 Mar 97 23:19 PST X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 02:18:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar15.211854.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-13 19:46:37 EST, you write: << Tomato's have been bearing for a few weeks too. So maybe now I can get back to doing glass. Mike's new box sounds interesting, can't wait to see pictures of it. Lee Boe >> TOMATOES??!! I'm so envious of you who have the flowers blooming and tomatoes on the vines! I'm in a far western suburb of Chicago (commonly referred to as the super-boonies) and it snowed like nuts yesterday and the wind chill brought us up to a whopping -1 degree today! Thank goodness I'm getting to go to Arizona a week from tomorrow. I feel like I can hold on that long but much longer than that and I'm afraid I'd go ballistic, looking for the sun and real heat again! Cabin fever has set in so I'm not getting ANYTHING done, glass, ceramic or housework! But I am consuming chocolate at an astonishing rate! I think I need to go grocery shopping. Got this sudden taste for a nice ripe tomato.... :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 16 01:05:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6BsM-0000Efa; Sun, 16 Mar 97 01:05 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 04:01:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970316040135.0069e0a8@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I'll do what I can about the hard copies. I am one of those >who'd like to have a set of hard copies. What do you suppose would be >involved in getting them assembled and distributed to whoever may want a >set? Have any suggestions? I'm open to what you have to offer. T. in >Montana I belong to an Akita mailing list too, and one guy recently volunteered to have shirts made up for the list. He got orders and collected money... in the end he said that it wasn't worth it. He would never volunteer again. So I'm not real keen on volunteering for that job. I really feel that we should post instructions for people to print out the patterns on their printers and they can go from there. Why do we have to get into the order taking business? But the vote didn't come out that way...so we put it up on the list and we really haven't gotten much response on it. Maybe it's getting to be a non issue! Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 16 19:55:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6TTo-0000Jea; Sun, 16 Mar 97 19:53 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: mail Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:19:00 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar17.3190.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have been looking all weekend for mail??? Have i been bad??? I may not write that often but i love to look and i really enjoy all the repartee Don 9:15 CDT 3/16/97 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 08:03:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6eqI-0000jta; Mon, 17 Mar 97 08:00 PST X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:08:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar17.4817.0> References: <<1997Mar15.16321.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Phil Taylor wrote: > > Hi Joyce, >> I am one of those > who'd like to have a set of hard copies. What do you suppose would be > involved in getting them assembled and distributed to whoever may want a > set? Have any suggestions? I'm open to what you have to offer. T. in > Montana > > glasschic wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > An update on all my research. > > More discussion about this? New volunteers? > > > > > > Joyce > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi! About the Glass Pattern Atlas...if this has been suggested, sorry - my computer was down for several weeks and I was out of the loop - what about putting them on disk and then making the disk available as well as having them on the site? Disks are very easy and very inexpensive to copy, mail, etc., and would give an exact copy. The individual could print out a hard copy of whatever was wanted and scale it as desired. Lots of "copy centers" could make larger copies of a specific design right off the disk. a laser print from the computer would not have the "creep" that copiers often have. Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 08:54:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6ffm-0000gGa; Mon, 17 Mar 97 08:54 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Doug Scale Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:49:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar17.04946.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Doug: Missed seeing you at the Las Vegas Glass Expo. Mark and I had a great chat but we were the only bungians that show up. Maybe next time. PJ from CA. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 08:58:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6fj9-0000a0a; Mon, 17 Mar 97 08:57 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970317115740.0069b14c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi! About the Glass Pattern Atlas...if this has been suggested, sorry - >my computer was down for several weeks and I was out of the loop - what >about putting them on disk and then making the disk available as well as >having them on the site? Disks are very easy and very inexpensive to >copy, mail, etc., and would give an exact copy. The individual could >print out a hard copy of whatever was wanted and scale it as desired. >Lots of "copy centers" could make larger copies of a specific design >right off the disk. a laser print from the computer would not have the >"creep" that copiers often have. Linn The designs that we have so far will take up a disk each, unless zipped. We get into problems with people who can't download, probably can't unzip either. Sending 20-30 disks for 20-30 patterns seems like a lot of disks. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 14:26:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6kqi-0000Laa; Mon, 17 Mar 97 14:25 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 16:28:49 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar18.02849.0> References: <<1997Mar17.04946.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ wrote: >Hi Doug: Missed seeing you at the Las Vegas Glass Expo. PJ, Tell us all about the expo. Did you learn anything new, see anything interesting? Or, were you there as an exhibitor? I was disappointed I didn't get to go this year. I'm very curious to get everyone's impression about these kind of events so I know if it's worth my time and money. You didn't miss much activity on bungi while you were gone. It was pretty quite! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 14:42:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6l6T-0000Mya; Mon, 17 Mar 97 14:42 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 16:45:09 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar18.0459.0> References: <<1997Mar13.74513.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bonnie wrote: > >Don Michaud who is the guy I took my stained glass lessons from is >presently doing ceiling panels out of stained glass too. Bonnie, You, Charles and Mike (Peck) will have to let me know how the lighted = ceilings turn out once they are done. Do you know what type of glass Don is using? I was thinking of a design that would not be too busy and using a lot of glass that would emit light readily. = I also definitely appreciate Mike (Savad's) comments bringing up the iss= ue of mildew due to moisture in a bathroom. I thought I came across this= issue in the archives and the consensus was that the bathroom was a safe environment for stained glass works. = I notice that Charles said he was doing his ceiling in the kitchen, so I may possibly save this idea for another room. To all of you that put in your two cents worth and ideas, thank you. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 16:32:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6mok-0000oAa; Mon, 17 Mar 97 16:31 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:27:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar17.82747.0> References: <<1997Mar18.0459.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I talked to Don's wife today and she said her husband finished the ceiling panels. His went in a dining room and went over the area above the dining room table. They were trimmed with about a two inch border of amber colored glass, the rest of the pieces were all types of clear glass with lots of different textures with a very few colored pieces here and there in each one each. Each panel was a differnt modern type design with the same basic border. They were placed in between other wooden ceiling panels in the new house. Bonnie Clark Dawn wrote: > > Bonnie wrote: > > > >Don Michaud who is the guy I took my stained glass lessons from is > >presently doing ceiling panels out of stained glass too. > > Bonnie, > > You, Charles and Mike (Peck) will have to let me know how the lighted = > ceilings turn out once they are done. Do you know what > type of glass Don is using? I was thinking of a design that would > not be too busy and using a lot of glass that would emit light readily. = > > I also definitely appreciate Mike (Savad's) comments bringing up the iss= > ue of mildew due to moisture in a bathroom. I thought I came across this= > issue in the archives and the consensus > was that the bathroom was a safe environment for stained glass works. = > I notice that Charles said he was doing his > ceiling in the kitchen, so I may possibly save this idea for another > room. > > To all of you that put in your two cents worth and ideas, > thank you. > > Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 17:32:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6nkz-0000tAa; Mon, 17 Mar 97 17:32 PST X-Path: home.stlnet.com!idris From: "Gerald L. Collins" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 19:34:33 Message-ID: <199703180131.TAA26481@home.stlnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:57:51 -0500, glasschic wrote: > >>Hi! About the Glass Pattern Atlas...if this has been suggested, sorry - >>my computer was down for several weeks and I was out of the loop - what >>about putting them on disk and then making the disk available as well as >>having them on the site? Disks are very easy and very inexpensive to >>copy, mail, etc., and would give an exact copy. The individual could >>print out a hard copy of whatever was wanted and scale it as desired. >>Lots of "copy centers" could make larger copies of a specific design >>right off the disk. a laser print from the computer would not have the >>"creep" that copiers often have. Linn > >The designs that we have so far will take up a disk each, unless zipped. >We get into problems with people who can't download, probably can't unzip >either. Sending 20-30 disks for 20-30 patterns seems like a lot of disks. > >Joyce > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Two possible solutions to the above problem. 1) Writable CDRoms are available and the cost of blank CD is reasonable. This would minimize the problems of multiple disks. 2) Depending on the size of the zipped files, they could be made self extracting or a program could be designed to allow the user to unzip just the files needed. Jerry Collins ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gerald L. Collins -------------------- Collins Consulting Services This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 18:53:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6p0W-00004Sa; Mon, 17 Mar 97 18:52 PST X-Path: aol.com!Babblebox From: Babblebox@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass ceiling Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:51:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar17.165147.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I just read Dawn's e-mail about some comments that were made about the use of stained glass in a bathroom and the issue of mildew. I don't know if you had been talking of bathroom windows, or if the previous question was about cielings,,,, but I replaced the pebbled glass in my bathroom window with a stained glass window over four years ago, When someone uses the shower it can really steam up the window but to date I've never seen signs of mildew and the window looks the same as when it was new. I dont know if this will help you or not, but I thought I'd add my two cents. I'm new to AOL and the Internet, so if anyone out there can reccomend their favorite stained glass sites and BB's, I'd apprecciate it if you would post me privately with the info. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 06:31:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w6zuf-0000jga; Tue, 18 Mar 97 06:30 PST X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Was I removed??? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:30:23 -0500 Message-ID: <199703181430.JAA06302@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just wondering if you removed me from you list??? My server had a failure and I wasn't receiving any mail...hope it wasn't all returned. If I was removed...please put me back. Thank you my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 09:38:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w72pB-0000dQa; Tue, 18 Mar 97 09:37 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:40:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar18.74027.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Sorry I missed you on Saturday. Was hoping to spot your name badge on Thur, Fri but didn't. Wasn't able to make the show on Saturday as was tied up by a one armed bandit!! Actually we took a trip to Hoover Dam on Saturday which was great. I also had a chat with Mark and did meet Carolyn Duncan who just joined the group recently. As far as the Show itself went, it was my first so I wasn't sure what to expect. I sure learned a lot from the classes I attended as I've only worked in glass for about a year and a half so really have lots to learn. I thought there might have been more suppliers present but the Fire Fighting equipment trade shows i normally attend spoil me with between 400 to 500 exhibitors. I was also pleasently surprised by the number of fellow Canadians at the show, I guess getting away from the end of our winter. The high 70 and low 80 degree temp's sure were nice and to have been sitting by the pool with a cool maitai rather than to have been here for the ice storm that hit the mid western states and southern Ontario was an added bonus. Not only did i pick up lots of info on great looking equipment such as the Scoreboard and top notch irons but i was also given a tip on getting glass materials into Canada from the States duty free. If that one works out it just might pay for the classes I took in a short time. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 11:33:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w74dT-0000kza; Tue, 18 Mar 97 11:33 PST X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:33:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar18.93313.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-17 20:33:59 EST, you write: << Two possible solutions to the above problem. 1) Writable CDRoms are available and the cost of blank CD is reasonable. This would minimize the problems of multiple disks. 2) Depending on the size of the zipped files, they could be made self extracting or a program could be designed to allow the user to unzip just the files needed. Jerry Collins >> Hello to All: Mr. Collins has a good point about the CD - R's. I have been mastering my own CD's since last Sept. The cost of a recordable CD here in the Houston is about $10.00 each or less. If the CD's are recorded in "multi-session" mode, then one could buy one blank CD and keep adding to it (i.e. next year's additions to the atlas), until the CD is filled (650 Megs capacity). This is similar to the Photo CD that Kodak sells. With this amount of cheap storage available, I don't believe that the patterns would even have to be zipped. I would be happy to help produce the origional "Master" CD if the Guild would like to have the atlas done in this format. Michael McGrew ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 15:25:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w78E5-0000Xva; Tue, 18 Mar 97 15:23 PST X-Path: neo.lrun.com!jmccourt From: Judy McCourt To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: FW: Where is every one?No Spring here Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:23:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC33C9.6C2F1800@a12b035.neo.lrun.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC33C9.6C36B920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >My too, I'm hard at work on a VERY difficult design...designed by ME! = And >I also got down to the last sq foot of Crystal Ice that I was using and = the >imprint of it is not as deep as the last piece I had gotten...shame = shame >Spectrum! However, it will be another trip to pick up more glass, then >I'll be back in business again and in a better mood to talk about = glass, as >well as spring and daffodils. BTW haven't seen any in Ohio yet. > >Joyce With that one warm Cleveland day, our snow crocus started flowering and = a few daffodil greens sprouted - they'll die in the frost for sure! Being new to stained glass I was wondering if anyone new of an = economical way (i.e. cheap) to buy glass. I've just started in lamps = (not molded - oh my!) and it's like a fever! It's the most compulsive = thing I've ever done. I can't just be working on one - I have to start = new ones with more difficult patterns and better color schemes... You = just get so wrapped up in the glass, in the bubbles, in the wisps, in = the crackles.. Pure amateur, I know.. I just love it. (I think = everyone knows what they'll be getting for their birthdays this year!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC33C9.6C36B920 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgUXAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AAgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAD0AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AU01UUABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAF AAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4A ATABAAAAEgAAACdnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20nAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5H SS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAN8KwEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQAqAAAAUkU6IEZXOiBXaGVyZSBpcyBldmVyeSBvbmU/ Tm8gU3ByaW5nIGhlcmUA3w0BBYADAA4AAADNBwMAEgASABcABAACABgBASCAAwAOAAAAzQcDABIA EgAQADUAAgBCAQEJgAEAIQAAADhFQ0I1MEUwQjY5RkQwMTFCQzQxMDBBQTAwQjc2MjhGADQHAQOQ BgB8BgAAEgAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5ACCmVVTzM7wBHgBw AAEAAAAqAAAAUkU6IEZXOiBXaGVyZSBpcyBldmVyeSBvbmU/Tm8gU3ByaW5nIGhlcmUAAAACAXEA AQAAABYAAAABvDPzVFXgUMuPn7YR0LxBAKoAt2KPAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwB AAAAHQAAAGptY2NvdXJ0QGFrcm9uNS5uZW8ubHJ1bi5jb20AAAAAAwAGEKKvSLMDAAcQ/gMAAB4A CBABAAAAZQAAAE1ZVE9PLElNSEFSREFUV09SS09OQVZFUllESUZGSUNVTFRERVNJR05ERVNJR05F REJZTUVBTkRJQUxTT0dPVERPV05UT1RIRUxBU1RTUUZPT1RPRkNSWVNUQUxJQ0VUSEFUSVcAAAAA AgEJEAEAAADhBAAA3QQAAKUIAABMWkZ1r+yIiv8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3 BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMzNwLkBxMCgzQSzAhQcHAHBJALURPQIEdvdGgAaWMgTGln aHRdAoB9CoAIzwnZOxjPMjw1NQKACoENsQtgbmd4MTAzFFALChRRC/JjDQBAIAqFCotsaTM2/w3w HJwTUBcgBZAFQAqHHK8GPh9PIFRNeSB0b4BvLCBJJ20gEYEkZCAW0CB3BbBrIAMCICTQIFZFUlkg ymQGkGYXUHVsBUANsHEAkGduLicAJqQJgCBCYiPgTUUhIBSwbi5kIL8hzx++SSTQbHOYbyBnFyAl 8G93A6A7JAAj8GgW8AtgE8Agc0xxIAIQLBFvZhZAcvcTsQdAJEBjFvAXMCThK5Dydy0QIHUAkBvQ JNAoUP8ssih/KY8fvgdwE1ALgC2zdmkzQQQgbiwRL0ENsGX2cDSiLMdwCJAukSuQEYDvJMAsARPQ JvJzEYAHgC1AbzdSME8xXx++UxaAIIBylHVtKBFILFBldgSQ1yQwNBED8GwDIGIW8ABwvxchBJAj 8AURLII18GMlQL51NRAEYBjQK/AtAXMkMF0swW43/zkPKp8nPKRifwDQJUALgCewL3IHkAQgYf5n C3Evw0RiPME20QXABGD/BHAsgwdAJUABoAhgBUA+1X8tED+PQJ8fvjvgPKEvQXNzM4IvtGRhDdAE cAMQc2IuKCBCVFckgTwAbr4nLTEJ4S/BI+BDcU8XQPUr4HkRwC5HX0hvH79Oj+NPn1CtSm95LpBR nwvi1x4cUh8dplc0EGgutAIgyxbwLzByJHBDbDvxG7H9S4J5JDAIYS1ANHAH4AUA/m8mUErRAZAA ICeRG6A70ftLFyWQZgfRS6Yr8AnSStPrRoEnkS0ssnlCsiYAFvB/Q3EswgNRLSECEFsBCHBl8iEd vEJlL5IngAfgLJH/LjFD0TaRPuIvBSUQKFBcpP8GkE1iWWJisi3RA5EFkTRwHm0XUC5RLzAj4Chp LoZlTDARcGVhcCksgj9DoCPgPtNMMSRQPAAgan8vcC0xW/VDcQtgM3AEIChbNHIEYGwNsF8Sb1jw bcx5IWfgRJN0JwQgHvDeazzhXVE8ASgRSWxSLML/BGAtIQWgM3AmYACQaREXMf8voWjzO/IsMSeA aMJbYABw/0zxaUM80SUSL5IlYVliXzD/NlJu4mMDACBllEPhPHFY4f8+gyYIVpBFQgYxL9JFJRhD 3y1AZ5EHgScBKCBZCGBpNM5nEcAtQCvgd3JnwBaAvyTAPlFgFT7VYBVDoGICYP8HkHo3A/FqcHo3 BQBDMXsB/XeBUGExJNAAwBPQCHAkMfwga1sxd4IrkGlDGGBpEfs0EEwxKCuQbxIlQDvyZVO/flJk QS7SX1Y80XhRdC+S62DiLMFpBcBig1AXMFqR/zVCNEFOMArAa9AeLx8/USXWLYdhVmVGYPNiBPRO AP8DoBFxG9B7EgtQZ7ARsD5wVwtwAyAkADo+xC0Y0HH7ClATwEBDoBvQZ0BuYVZlvlRjAQnwRcQs 0gQAdCQw/43Tib8+4ouPBxARcG7RRBE+dooxAaBaACTSF7B0cFA6Ly93kmAui5cvvz7THb+Ff1C/ VpIX8QCXQAAAAAMAEBABAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwQBpyd/IzvAFAAAgwQBpyd/IzvAEeAD0AAQAA AAUAAABSRTogAAAAAOcL ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC33C9.6C36B920-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 15:43:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w78Vk-0000nna; Tue, 18 Mar 97 15:41 PST X-Path: neo.lrun.com!jmccourt From: Judy McCourt To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: published version glass atlas Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC33CB.F7ACB5C0@a12b035.neo.lrun.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC33CB.F7B456E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >The designs that we have so far will take up a disk each, unless = zipped. >We get into problems with people who can't download, probably can't = >unzip >either. Sending 20-30 disks for 20-30 patterns seems like a lot of = disks. > >Joyce What about putting it on CD-Rom. The blank CD's aren't too expensive, = and I think for what would be on them, it would be plenty worth the = extra cost. I know where we personally can borrow a CD-Rom Burner for a = few weeks. I'm not too familiar with copy shops and if they have CD-Rom = access for printing, but it seems fairly economical. Economical. Oooh, = I like that word. :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC33CB.F7B456E0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhIXAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AAgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAD0AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AU01UUABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAF AAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4A ATABAAAAEgAAACdnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20nAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5H SS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAN8KwEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQAiAAAAUkU6IHB1Ymxpc2hlZCB2ZXJzaW9uIGdsYXNz IGF0bGFzAEYMAQWAAwAOAAAAzQcDABIAEgApABEAAgA3AQEggAMADgAAAM0HAwASABIAJgArAAIA TgEBCYABACEAAAA5MkNCNTBFMEI2OUZEMDExQkM0MTAwQUEwMEI3NjI4RgAiBwEDkAYAAAUAABIA AAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQBAvdHf9TO8AR4AcAABAAAAIgAA AFJFOiBwdWJsaXNoZWQgdmVyc2lvbiBnbGFzcyBhdGxhcwAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG8M/XfyuBQ y5OfthHQvEEAqgC3Yo8AAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAdAAAAam1jY291cnRA YWtyb241Lm5lby5scnVuLmNvbQAAAAADAAYQqfE7gwMABxBwAgAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAVEhFREVT SUdOU1RIQVRXRUhBVkVTT0ZBUldJTExUQUtFVVBBRElTS0VBQ0gsVU5MRVNTWklQUEVEV0VHRVRJ TlRPUFJPQkxFTVNXSVRIUEVPUExFV0hPQ0FOVERPV05MT0FELAAAAAACAQkQAQAAAHADAABsAwAA CQYAAExaRnWCKdX0/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER 4nN0ZW0CgzM3AuQHEwKDNBLMCFBwcAcEkAtRE9AgR290aABpYyBMaWdodF0CgH0KgAjPCdk7GM8y PDU1AoAKgQ2xC2BuZ3gxMDMUUAsKFFEL8mMNAEAgCoUKi2xpMzb/DfAcnBNQFyAFkAVACoccr+Y+ H08gVFRoFvANsACQzmcGMRcwFtAgdxbwEYDCdhbwc28gZgrBA/AWbAMgAZBrFvB1cCBGYSQABABr IGUA0GiyLCZgbmwHkAQgegUguRaAZC4gvyHPH75XFvDqZxHAIAuAdCVwIDECYN8T4AQgA/AXMCwg ZRZgJ5BVJNBoJXBjAHAnBUBkxG93J4BvYWQnUCwy+QGgbHkttSjPKd8gJydwbyfhKF8wXx++ZSzR BJAuWiAGUW4mwBvQIAHQLfwzMCazBCACEAXANuQKsP8CQASRBCARsCyCHvAmQSag8xhgBUBvZjc0 KE8zvzTPBzp/O488nkpveWNl9wqPHN9BMlckogGgCGAFQHpwQ+B0NqIs0DnQA6BD/EQtCAE2MSPS AmAAcCbw/UTwJwQgCsAJ8C3xLAAlcHxleBaAAIElMCdQAHBk/CBJJIELgCbwN6ItgCSydQhgbEfw YhbwRME18W3/J1BEkUknLUECMC8wSSAAIOcs8DXxRxF0ciagBaATwPM2MUgQa24uMC1xBJAtYfdK 4QSQJWBuB0AvJEWwBbBPA2AH4CagRPQgQghwbrcEkDeTJqBmB9Ek4GU6Qb1MwSdPsE0QRsQlkG0D EK8HMCWyLOEFoHAvMHMtkP5wRlFH4QaQSdIvMCUTT2X/ANBA4AQRN6ITUCvhNqEnUJ5iQ+FEkTjU JZBpci8hrwWRTRBSQC3AbDYxRVfa/k9G8CdBSBA5MySUBbAoMLk2QDopHi8fPz0lLV2hRUEFRgWx c3ViBPRpv0TBEXEb0AeQLqEnkGERsO4gAMADESwAOiuQC2AEENotGNBxClATwEBWgBvQ1GkuBaBt QQVUJXARsP9H4SwBS9Jb4BPAJ1BkE1//v2ECYc8HEBFwR4FGUXZgcQ8vATlhBUAXsHRwOi/UL3do oC5h1y9g8x2/L1u/PL9BMhfxAG2AAwAQEAEAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzDg+FGE9TO8AUAACDDg+FGE 9TO8AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAK4g= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC33CB.F7B456E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 16:46:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w79Vm-0000qya; Tue, 18 Mar 97 16:45 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:59:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199703190045.AAA22952@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Basically to Mike Savad and "shyguy". Bit confused here; are you looking for reeded or bubbleed?? OR both? The only "bubble" glass I can think of is English Muffle glass, but the bubbles are quite small - just slightly larger than the head of a match. That IS however quite widely available in England. Is THAT what you are looking for?? Let me know and I will try and get more details for you. .... and sorry for the late reply.... Elisabeth 'n Toby you wrote: know a source of 'bubble glass' or 'double reeded'? It looks like a matrix if bulged squares when you look through it. I've used reeded before, but the curved reed lines were concave, this stuff is convex, with the reeded lines going at 90 degrees. I was at a candle shop in CT, whilst visiting friends, and saw a lantern made of this in a wrought iron sconce. The proprietor said a local craftsman made the iron part, and a local woman made the glass insert. She was looking for someone to produce the glass as the woman seemed to have gone AWOL. I suggested something out of other glass, but the owner said this bubble glass was a hot seller. The best I've found out, was that their was a company in England that used to make this. Anyone know where this might be still available?? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 17:40:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7AMQ-0000WKa; Tue, 18 Mar 97 17:40 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: reinforcing Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:35:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970314233612.25a7f044@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all; Well, I have my Tropical Noah's ark almost designed.... if it doesn't drive me nuts making it maybe I'll submit the design??!! Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in some other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to get a straight line through it vertically or horizontally. It is about 3' high in the center (it is a half circle) and 5-6' long. I was wondering if soldering bars on the back would be more reasonable for this one. (Oh it is foil construction). If so, what kind (diam) bars would I use, and how to attach them??? I have seen in books that they solder wires to the window, and apparently then tie the bars on with these wires. couldn't one simply solder the bars directly to the window, if the bars were copper or some such solderable material? I think it must be going to have between 1500 and 2000 pieces, but I will let you know when I actually count them. I may try the large photocopiers for making copies of this one!!!! they are five hours away, so usually do mine by hand! Thanks for any advice. Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 17:40:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7AMg-0000XHa; Tue, 18 Mar 97 17:40 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:35:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970314233606.25a77492@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What do you have to have to record on cd's? How expensive is it??? Meg At 02:33 PM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-03-17 20:33:59 EST, you write: > ><< Two possible solutions to the above problem. > 1) Writable CDRoms are available and the cost of blank CD is > reasonable. This would minimize the problems of multiple disks. > > 2) Depending on the size of the zipped files, they could be made > self extracting or a program could be designed to allow the user to > unzip just the files needed. > > Jerry Collins >> > > >Hello to All: > >Mr. Collins has a good point about the CD - R's. I have been mastering my >own CD's since last Sept. The cost of a recordable CD here in the Houston is >about $10.00 each or less. If the CD's are recorded in "multi-session" mode, >then one could buy one blank CD and keep adding to it (i.e. next year's >additions to the atlas), until the CD is filled (650 Megs capacity). This is >similar to the Photo CD that Kodak sells. With this amount of cheap storage >available, I don't believe that the patterns would even have to be zipped. I >would be happy to help produce the origional "Master" CD if the Guild would >like to have the atlas done in this format. > > > >Michael McGrew >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 17:52:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7AXr-0000Nza; Tue, 18 Mar 97 17:52 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar18.154820.0> References: <<199703190045.AAA22952@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi , I bought a sheet 10" x 13" of something that sounds like this from the Glass Crafters Sale in November. It is clear with convex outward waffle type bubble on each side, but run at a 90 degree angle to the other side. (Here is where a picture would be worth a thousand words, but don't have a scanner) It may be still in current production somewhere. I suggest you contact Jim at Glass Crafters (they have 800 #) and try to describe over the phone. He may be able to pinpoint who makes it. The price tag on the sheet gives me no clue as to the maker or date of manufacture. http://www.craftweb.com/org/glascrafts/glascraf.shtml Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations <> > Basically to Mike Savad and "shyguy". > you wrote: > know a source of 'bubble glass' or 'double reeded'? > It looks like a matrix if bulged squares when you look through it. I've > used reeded before, but the curved reed lines were concave, this stuff > is convex, with the reeded lines going at 90 degrees. I was at a candle > shop in CT, whilst visiting friends, and saw a lantern made of this in a > wrought iron sconce. The proprietor said a local craftsman made the iron > part, and a local woman made the glass insert. She was looking for > someone to produce the glass as the woman seemed to have gone AWOL. I > suggested something out of other glass, but the owner said this bubble > glass was a hot seller. The best I've found out, was that their was a > company in England that used to make this. Anyone know where this might > be still available?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 20:29:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7D0F-0000iga; Tue, 18 Mar 97 20:29 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970318232943.006a203c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in some >other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to get a >straight line through it vertically or horizontally. The beauty of the flexible copper reinforcing is that you don't need a straight line all the way through...you can make it go around the pieces, and it still reinforces! You just weave in and out around them, eventually making your way down the panel. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 20:37:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7D7G-0000LEa; Tue, 18 Mar 97 20:36 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:31:28 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar19.43128.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970314233612.25a7f044@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just finished a rebar on a 5 ft foil piece and did not have any trouble. The standard 3/8 rebar for lead worked fine but the worry that i had was cracking the glass with the heat needed. This was done by keeping my rebar hot and pressing the iron only on the side of the rebar and barely touching the foil lines . That's my 2 cents worth i'm sure others will have more. I have been working in lead for 17 years and foil for 8. Good luck and i always enjoy your e-mail along with all the other Bunginians.Don On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:35:19 -0600 (CST) Richard LaVal writes: >Hi all; > Well, I have my Tropical Noah's ark almost designed.... if it >doesn't drive me nuts making it maybe I'll submit the design??!! > Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in >some >other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to >get a >straight line through it vertically or horizontally. It is about 3' >high in >the center (it is a half circle) and 5-6' long. I was wondering if >soldering bars on the back would be more reasonable for this one. (Oh >it is >foil construction). If so, what kind (diam) bars would I use, and >how to >attach them??? I have seen in books that they solder wires to the >window, >and apparently then tie the bars on with these wires. couldn't one >simply >solder the bars directly to the window, if the bars were copper or >some such >solderable material? > I think it must be going to have between 1500 and 2000 pieces, >but I >will let you know when I actually count them. I may try the large >photocopiers for making copies of this one!!!! they are five hours >away, so >usually do mine by hand! > Thanks for any advice. Meg >Richard and Meg LaVal >apdo. 24-5655 >Monteverde >COSTA RICA >tel: 506 645 5052 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 20:37:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7D7F-0000AEa; Tue, 18 Mar 97 20:36 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:31:27 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar19.43127.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970314233612.25a7f044@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have just finished reinforcing a 5 ft wide foil project and had no problem. Although i'm mostly familiar with rebar with lead projects this worked well . The only thing i was very careful to heat my 3/8ths rebar so that when i crossed the solder lines i was able to let the solder flow into the soldered foil lines without applying enough heat to crack any glass (this was my only concern) Holding the iron against the rebar and only.barely touching the foil lines . I know others will have more on this but i hope my 2 cents worth will help. Don On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:35:19 -0600 (CST) Richard LaVal writes: >Hi all; > Well, I have my Tropical Noah's ark almost designed.... if it >doesn't drive me nuts making it maybe I'll submit the design??!! > Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in >some >other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to >get a >straight line through it vertically or horizontally. It is about 3' >high in >the center (it is a half circle) and 5-6' long. I was wondering if >soldering bars on the back would be more reasonable for this one. (Oh >it is >foil construction). If so, what kind (diam) bars would I use, and >how to >attach them??? I have seen in books that they solder wires to the >window, >and apparently then tie the bars on with these wires. couldn't one >simply >solder the bars directly to the window, if the bars were copper or >some such >solderable material? > I think it must be going to have between 1500 and 2000 pieces, >but I >will let you know when I actually count them. I may try the large >photocopiers for making copies of this one!!!! they are five hours >away, so >usually do mine by hand! > Thanks for any advice. Meg >Richard and Meg LaVal >apdo. 24-5655 >Monteverde >COSTA RICA >tel: 506 645 5052 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 06:19:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7MD9-00006Ga; Wed, 19 Mar 97 06:19 PST X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: published version glass atlas Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:18:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar19.41849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-18 20:43:48 EST, you write: << What do you have to have to record on cd's? How expensive is it??? Meg >> Hello Meg: In order to record a CD, you need a CD Recorder/player, a fast machine with a large (over 2.1 gigs), pre-mastering software, and a Recordable CD. The prices on the recorders has come down about 50% in the last year. When I purchased mine it cost about $800.00 u.s. It records CD's at 2X and reads them at 4X. I purchased the recorder from a company called, get this, "Smart and Friendly". They had received Ziff-Davis's highest rating when compaired to all other recorders on the market. I have been very happy with my unit so far. One other thing, you will also need a SCSI CD Player in order to "disk-copy" a CD. Otherwise, you have to copy the entire origional CD to your hard drive and then copy it back to the CD recorder (hence the reason for the large hard drive). I mainly use mine for a cheap back-up/archive drive. At $10.00 for 650 Megs storage, you can't go wrong. See ya Later, Michael & Donna Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 07:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7NaM-0000hGa; Wed, 19 Mar 97 07:47 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar19.54459.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970314233612.25a7f044@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > Hi all; > Well, I have my Tropical Noah's ark almost designed.... if it > doesn't drive me nuts making it maybe I'll submit the design??!! > Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in some > other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to get a > straight line through it vertically or horizontally. It is about 3' high in > the center (it is a half circle) and 5-6' long. I was wondering if > soldering bars on the back would be more reasonable for this one. (Oh it is > foil construction). If so, what kind (diam) bars would I use, and how to > attach them??? I have seen in books that they solder wires to the window, > and apparently then tie the bars on with these wires. couldn't one simply > solder the bars directly to the window, if the bars were copper or some such > solderable material? > I think it must be going to have between 1500 and 2000 pieces, but I > will let you know when I actually count them. I may try the large > photocopiers for making copies of this one!!!! they are five hours away, so > usually do mine by hand! > Thanks for any advice. Meg > Richard and Meg LaVal > apdo. 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > tel: 506 645 5052 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my best guess would be to use like 3/8" brass rebar. bend it with the solder lines where ever you think it should be done. keeping them bent that way, you'll get a strong panel, and no ugly lines. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 08:47:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7OVq-0000lza; Wed, 19 Mar 97 08:46 PST X-Path: sprintmail.com!wirerat From: Wire Rat To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Panel lamp Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:48:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar19.64811.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Could someone please help.I am constructing my first panel lamp and have a problem. Although the butt joints of the panels match each other nice and tight,I am having trouble getting a good solder joint in the gaps as the panels butt each other at an angle.I am using a lot of solder and I dont think that I will be able to acquire a nice finish bead.TIA -- Jack Kuhn wirerat@sprintmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 10:24:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7Q2F-0000Kha; Wed, 19 Mar 97 10:24 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Panel lamp Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:22:11 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar19.182211.0> References: <<1997Mar19.64811.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You will have a wide seam but try quik set solder and it should help with at least a nice rounded bead ,but larger than you would like. Next time bevel your panels on the inside 45degrees and the outside seam will be much smaller .Don On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:48:11 -0500 Wire Rat writes: >Could someone please help.I am constructing my first panel lamp and >have >a problem. >Although the butt joints of the panels match each other nice and >tight,I >am having trouble getting a good solder joint in the gaps as the >panels >butt each other at an angle.I am using a lot of solder and I dont >think >that I will be able to acquire a nice finish bead.TIA >-- >Jack Kuhn >wirerat@sprintmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 11:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7Qxn-0000jSa; Wed, 19 Mar 97 11:23 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Panel lamp Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:22:03 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar19.19223.0> References: <<1997Mar19.64811.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I should have said to grind the angle to coincide with the number of sides,as 45 for 4 sides, 22and 1/2 for 8 , 11 and 1/4 for 12 (degrees that is) i hope i didn't confuse you with my poor descriptions.Don On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:22:11 EST eldondo1@juno.com writes: >You will have a wide seam but try quik set solder and it should help >with >at least a nice rounded bead ,but larger than you would like. Next >time >bevel your panels on the inside 45degrees and the outside seam will be >much smaller .Don >On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:48:11 -0500 Wire Rat >writes: >>Could someone please help.I am constructing my first panel lamp and >>have >>a problem. >>Although the butt joints of the panels match each other nice and >>tight,I >>am having trouble getting a good solder joint in the gaps as the >>panels >>butt each other at an angle.I am using a lot of solder and I don't >>think >>that I will be able to acquire a nice finish bead.TIA >>-- >>Jack Kuhn >>wirerat@sprintmail.com >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 15:03:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7UNs-0000LHa; Wed, 19 Mar 97 15:03 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar19.65856.0> References: <<1997Mar18.02849.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: Dawn asked me to tell about the Glass Expo. It was just that a really big Expo. This was the first time I have attended one and I will every chance I get from now on. I had an opportunity to practice beveling under the guidance of Delphi and I learned soooo much from Don Abel from the Morton System. I had all of his tools but had never had someone demonstrate all of the neat things he showed us. I also took a class in the Hot and Wired and that was really neat. I am just sorry I did not give more thought to taking more workshops. The whole experience was fantastic. Plus the night lights and the city that never sleeps. Would have to say I contributed greatly to the economy of stained glass suppliers and to the economy of Las Vegas. It was well worth the time and costs to go. I would certainly recommend it to everyone. Will give you more insights as time goes on but am trying to catch up on things now. Bye. Peggy. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 15:15:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7UZl-000062a; Wed, 19 Mar 97 15:15 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:11:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar19.71116.0> References: <<1997Mar18.74027.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Doug: Sorry we missed the opportunity to visit at Las Vegas. I spent Friday afternoon, most of Saturday and Sunday at the convention center. It was something to help for because it is always nice to put faces to names and communications. Maybe there will be another time. Would you like to share how to get things into Canada duty free or would that be telling? I agree, it was a great opportunity. I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and teaching it for six years but I still learned a lot and saw new items to help in the fabrication. I was disappointed that the Glass Eye folk did not have an exhibit. I was interested in getting their software. I did get a Tarus Ring Saw that I had not intended to get but my husband was entranced with it and really though I should have one. Now, what to do with my band saw? See you next time. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 17:46:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7Wva-0000SMa; Wed, 19 Mar 97 17:46 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:33:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar19.15337.0> References: <<199703190045.AAA22952@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi All, > Basically to Mike Savad and "shyguy". > Bit confused here; are you looking for reeded or bubbleed?? OR both? I'm not sure - the person I spoke to called it 'bubble', but she makes candles, not the glass. I described it to a friend who used to do glass, and he called it 'double reeded'. Like I said in a previos post, I've used reede, but the curve was concave. This stuff is convex. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 00:26:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7dAq-0000OOa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 00:26 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 03:25:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar19.222547.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << I thought there might have been more suppliers present >> Doug - you need to realize the art glass industry is pretty small and quite a few of the companies are mom and pop type operations. When you talk to the guy or gal at that trade show, you're proabably talking to the owner of the company. Also, there is a very large trade show in June - Art Glass Suppliers Association - geared towards retailers. Many of the manufacturers and suppliers put their efforts towards that show as opposed to those geared towards the public. At AGSA the new products are showcased and many an order is written there. I thought this Expo was great. Many more suppliers were present and the classes as usual were quite good. I attended five classes. I try to make the trip as effective as possible and generally these classes offer techniques which are not available locally - and I live near Chicago! My classes were with Don McKinney, Phil Teefy and Newy Fagan, all very good artists and teachers. The banquet this year was quite good. One of the owners of Savoy Studio in Portland OR showed slides of their work. These were installations on a grand scale. One ceiling contained over 56,000 pieces, 10,000 of which were dichroic jewels, where the dichro was applied by hand. I toured that company when I was in Portland at Hot Glass Horizons last year. The studio is large and busy and they use practically every glass technique there. One guy was just making bevels all day. Sorry I missed meeting other Bungians, but as I mentioned, I was in a class on Saturday and we took an early lunch break to accomodate someone who was diabetic. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 06:28:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7iow-0000Yca; Thu, 20 Mar 97 06:27 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar20.42527.0> References: <<1997Mar19.15337.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk shyguy wrote: > > Toby wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > Basically to Mike Savad and "shyguy". > > Bit confused here; are you looking for reeded or bubbleed?? OR both? > > I'm not sure - the person I spoke to called it 'bubble', but she makes > candles, not the glass. I described it to a friend who used to do glass, > and he called it 'double reeded'. Like I said in a previos post, I've > used reede, but the curve was concave. This stuff is convex. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think the shape your explaining, or at least what i'm seeing in my head is like 1/2" squares; set up in rows. some old schools have them, not the prettiest glass in the world, it's more architectural. though it sort of looks like little square bubbles. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 06:38:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7iyq-0000Lla; Thu, 20 Mar 97 06:38 PST X-Path: monstermetals.com!monster From: "Monster" To: Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:31:37 -0500 Message-ID: <199703201437.JAA27540@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Anybody out there actually doing any glass???? > > I just finished doing a dragon from the Monster Metals. I was quite > satisfied with the outcome. I plan on putting it up on the web page > soon. > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com Glenna, I'd be interested to know which dragon you finished and can't wait to see how it came out! We've had such a tremendous response to the dragons and fairies and are talking about putting up a "Net Archive (working name)" of our customer's creations. I'm wondering if anyone else here at bungi has done any of the Monster Metals and if we can get some pictures together. What do you think? Eric Foster Monster Metals, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 07:47:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7k3k-0000iUa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 07:47 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:42:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970315055919.256fd286@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How bendy can you get and still be properly reinforced? I thought it was supposed to have some semblence of striaghtness?! Meg At 11:29 PM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in some >>other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to get a >>straight line through it vertically or horizontally. > >The beauty of the flexible copper reinforcing is that you don't need a >straight line all the way through...you can make it go around the pieces, >and it still reinforces! You just weave in and out around them, eventually >making your way down the panel. > >Joyce > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 08:19:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7kXy-0000Tva; Thu, 20 Mar 97 08:18 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:18:25 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already" on Mar 20, 9:31, "Monster" writes:] > > I just finished doing a dragon from the Monster Metals. I was quite > > satisfied with the outcome. I plan on putting it up on the web page > > soon. > I'd be interested to know which dragon you finished and can't wait to see > how it came out! We've had such a tremendous response to the dragons and > fairies and are talking about putting up a "Net Archive (working name)" of > our customer's creations. I made the Guardian. I am working on my second one which is the Screamin Demon. I had fun with these! I plan on taking some pictures and putting them up on my web site soon. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 08:36:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7kob-0000dDa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 08:35 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:31:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar20.03140.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970315055919.256fd286@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Meg. You asked how bendy can it get and still reinforce? Each bend reduces the rebars ability to reinforce and strengthen the window. One of the items at the Glass Expo was to help attach rebar without the threat of cracking the glass. The little gismos are made of copper metal strips bent to hold the rebar and about the thickness of solder seams. The bent strips are then soldered to the seams and then after the rebar is fitted in, the copper is soldered to the rebar. I also saw these little strips in Delphi's catalogue. This should really help ease pain of reinforcing. All of this is to say, you are right. The straighter the rebar, the stronger the reinforcement. PJ from CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 09:10:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7lLm-0000QOa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 09:10 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Where is every one?Summer in Florida already Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:13:28 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 9:31 AM 20/3/97, Monster wrote: >> > Anybody out there actually doing any glass???? >> >> I just finished doing a dragon from the Monster Metals. I was quite >> satisfied with the outcome. I plan on putting it up on the web page >> soon. >> >> >> -- >> Glenna Rand >> gjr@bungi.com > Glenna, Yes we are doing a lot of glass here in Georgia. Check out our website at: www.mindspring.com/~artglass -Mike Delaware ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 10:55:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7mzT-0000zda; Thu, 20 Mar 97 10:55 PST X-Path: monstermetals.com!monster From: "Monster" To: Subject: Monster site Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:48:23 -0500 Message-ID: <199703201854.NAA24802@mail.enter.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been getting requests to see the Monster Metals stuff, and want to let all know that you can check them out at http://www.monstermetals.com You'll see all of our products finished there. Eric Foster Monster Metals, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 12:27:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7oQJ-0000aBa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 12:26 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: FW: Monster Fairies Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:29:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar20.102929.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Eric, Thanks so much for the specifics of how to paint the fairies. I think others at bungi might be interested so I'm forwarding this post to them also. For those who have not seen the finished fairies they are at: http://www.monstermetals.com. Thank Chris for me. Oh, and about sending your pictures --- I've been looking for another reason I NEED a digital camera. :) Linda Campbell Linda Said: > Just read your post at bungi.com. I particularily like the faries. Am > considering one and like them painted the way you show. What sort of > paint is required for the lead and how do you keep the surface lookin so > smooth? Linda, I managed to track Chris down and here's what he has to say about painting the fairies. First, they should be cleaned with any paint thinner then polished with #0000 steel wool until they have a bright, smooth finish. They are then spray painted with a flat white primer. The paint Chris used on the fairies was a standard flat model paint available at most hobby shops. He is particularly fond of the military colors (olive drab, fleshtone) as they give a satin smooth finish. For extra realism, high gloss paint was used to do the lips and the eyes (of course using a 1 hair brush and a steady hand -- no coffee that day). This gives the fairies that extra touch of magic. Good luck, send us some pictures when you're done. Eric Foster ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 14:21:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7qCP-00012ha; Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:20 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:18:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar20.12187.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970315055919.256fd286@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > How bendy can you get and still be properly reinforced? I thought it was > supposed to have some semblence of striaghtness?! Meg > > At 11:29 PM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote: > > > >> Question: I am using the strongline flexible reinforcing in some > >>other windows I am making, but in this one it would be very hard to get a > >>straight line through it vertically or horizontally. > > > >The beauty of the flexible copper reinforcing is that you don't need a > >straight line all the way through...you can make it go around the pieces, > >and it still reinforces! You just weave in and out around them, eventually > >making your way down the panel. > > > >Joyce > > > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > Richard and Meg LaVal > apdo. 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > tel: 506 645 5052 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the stuff that goes' in between the peices, should be bendy, because it's so thin. sort of like putting a piece of paper on it's edge, when it's straight it's floppy; when it's curved it has more strength. flat rebar is simaler, only keeping it straig is easier to do. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 14:34:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7qPQ-0000Yda; Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:34 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: talking Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:27:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, my name is scott adams, and I have been subsribed to the mailing list for about 3 weeks now. I thought maybe I would introduce myself to the group, but the mail came back undeliverable. Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? Thanks Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 14:34:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7qPS-0000TWa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:34 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: talking Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:38:21 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, my name is scott adams, and I have been subsribed to the mailing list for about 3 weeks now. I thought maybe I would introduce myself to the group, but the mail came back undeliverable. Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? Thanks Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 15:53:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7rdG-0000yNa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 15:52 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:52:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970320185244.0069160c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:42 AM 3/20/97 -0600, you wrote: >How bendy can you get and still be properly reinforced? I thought it was >supposed to have some semblence of striaghtness?! Meg You can get very bendy. The stuff is very flexible in one direction (to mold around the pieces) but very inflexible in the other direction (the way your panel would fold up on itself if it could). You can start in one corner, if you want and travel sideways down to the other corner if you wanted. I usually put two strips down about 1/3 of the way in depending on how large the panel is. When I did the Indian chief window, I had to start out from the feathers and work down into the face and neck and collar on one side...and down around the front of the face on the other side. I love the stuff! It hides SOOO much better than rebar! Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 15:54:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7rfE-0000i8a; Thu, 20 Mar 97 15:54 PST X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:54:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar20.135419.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In your letter you mention another glass show in June. Can you tell me and the rest of the bungi regulars when in June and where. Greatly appreciated. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 17:01:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7shC-0000WHa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 17:00 PST X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: talking Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:00:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199703210100.RAA24232@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Scott-I'd double check whatever address you used before, anyone can talk on the glass line and your message came through just fine this time. Sherry >Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? > >Thanks > >Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 17:05:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7sls-0000hba; Thu, 20 Mar 97 17:05 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: talking Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:12:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199703210105.UAA21205@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? Scott, the Guild is a guest here just like everyone else. Bungi.com is kind enough to host the newsgroup and the people who run it generously offered the Guild space for its site, too. Everything the Guild puts up in the way of information is given out in the spirit of our organization's mission (see below) and you don't have to be a member of the IGGA to get it. Enjoy. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 17:09:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7spm-0000xWa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 17:09 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 19:56:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar20.145627.0> References: <<1997Mar20.42527.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > i think the shape your explaining, or at least what i'm seeing in my > head is like 1/2" squares; set up in rows. some old schools have them, > not the prettiest glass in the world, it's more architectural. though it > sort of looks like little square bubbles. > > ---Mike Savad That's the stuff - evidently the 'square bubbles' change the path of the light from the candle. I have cobbled up some of these from some old scrap glass to see how they look. But i couldn't get the effect this woman described. I got some feed back on it -will try to order a few sq. feet to see how it looks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 17:21:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7t10-0000n8a; Thu, 20 Mar 97 17:21 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: talking Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:07:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar20.15759.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk exotic@mail.lobo.net wrote: > > Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? > I don't know how many others belong, but I don't, cuz I don't do this for a living (and what I do, I try to do well, but I wouldn't consider my self a craftsman). Ask questions, answer questions, discuss the weather, ooh and aah over some of the great stuff others in this group have done, and hung on the WEB. It's a nice bunch of people sharing their love of glass. Welcome aboard! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 18:02:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7tdg-0000o7a; Thu, 20 Mar 97 18:01 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Subject: No mail Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:09:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar18.12958.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glennna I haven't heard from the list since Friday. Is everybody in Las Vegas or have I been lurking too much and not contributing. Elsie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 18:02:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7tdm-0000woa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 18:01 PST X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: LV Expo Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:37:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar18.123747.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Doug It was good to meet you at the Expo. I had two very good classes. One suggestion was to put your grinder in a 10 gal fish tank turned on it's side to prevent water from spraying all over. So simple, but I never thought of it. I also do stepping stones and had a problem with glass cracking even though it hadn't been stepped on. A suggestion was to use Quick-crete. I saw several types. Anyone know if there is a specific kind? Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 20 19:47:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w7vIV-0000nMa; Thu, 20 Mar 97 19:47 PST X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar20.175023.0> References: <<1997Mar20.135419.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bubstah@aol.com wrote: > > In your letter you mention another glass show in June. Not sure of the show in June, perhaps Barbara can give you info on it but there are a couple more Glass Expo's being run by Las Vegas management. One is in San Francisco May 2,3,4 and another in Lake Geneva Wisconsin Oct 31, Nov 1,2 and the dates for the 98 show in Las Vegas are listed as March 12-15/ 98. they can be reached for info @ 1-800-217-4527 or E-mail at lvmglass@worldnet.att.net Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 01:15:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w80PK-0000Cza; Fri, 21 Mar 97 01:14 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: June Glass Event Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 04:14:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar20.231436.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk AGSA (Art Glass Suppliers Association) is the show in June. the 25th through the 29th, in Baltimore. Sunday, the 29th it is open to the public. Other days are for membership only. The trade show is very large. This is the show where everyone tries to have something "New" to show off. AGSA's phone numbers for info are 614 452-4541 and fax 614 452-2552. See you there. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 06:04:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w84ur-000062a; Fri, 21 Mar 97 06:03 PST X-Path: mail.bcpl.lib.md.us!panthony From: "last name:Anthony" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: June Glass Event Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:02:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar21.420.0> References: <<1997Mar20.231436.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I heard that the AGSA show is June 27 and 28 with no "public day" this year due to conflicts with the convention center. -- SB BarbaraBGS@aol.com wrote: > > AGSA (Art Glass Suppliers Association) is the show in June. the 25th through > the 29th, in Baltimore. Sunday, the 29th it is open to the public. Other > days are for membership only. The trade show is very large. This is the > show where everyone tries to have something "New" to show off. AGSA's phone > numbers for info are > 614 452-4541 and fax 614 452-2552. See you there. Barbara > -- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 06:37:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w85RV-0000VHa; Fri, 21 Mar 97 06:37 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: talking Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar21.43446.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk exotic@lobo.net wrote: > > Hi, > > my name is scott adams, and I have been subsribed to the mailing list > for about 3 weeks now. I thought maybe I would introduce myself to > the group, but the mail came back undeliverable. > > Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? > > Thanks > > Scott > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's odd it should'nt have done that. maybe there was also a bad e-mail address mixed in with the bungi line, 'cuz this one went through ok. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 06:41:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w85Ub-0000Vta; Fri, 21 Mar 97 06:40 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar21.4380.0> References: <<1997Mar20.145627.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk shyguy wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > i think the shape your explaining, or at least what i'm seeing in my > > head is like 1/2" squares; set up in rows. some old schools have them, > > not the prettiest glass in the world, it's more architectural. though it > > sort of looks like little square bubbles. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > That's the stuff - evidently the 'square bubbles' change the path of the > light from the candle. I have cobbled up some of these from some old > scrap glass to see how they look. But i couldn't get the effect this > woman described. I got some feed back on it -will try to order a few sq. > feet to see how it looks. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe she can get a picture for you. genrally non-glass people have no idea what their talking about. for all we know it could be granite, english muffle, crystal ice, or hammered. at least those would be some of my picks if i were making it; because those textures blend in the best. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 07:56:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w86dw-0000wla; Fri, 21 Mar 97 07:54 PST X-Path: sullivan.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: talking Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 09:42:20 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar21.174220.0> References: <<1997Mar21.43446.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Scott, Welcome to the group. You'll find that everyone here is very helpful and= friendly. (And quite amusing at times!) I've only been on the bungi = line for a little over a month or so, but have already learned a tremendo= us amount from this great group of people. I've only been doing stained = glass a little over a year in my spare time, which there is definitely = not an abundance of, unfortunately! You didn't say how long you've been in stained glass. What kind of work = do you do mostly? I have only ventured into copper foil so far, but with= all the inspiration from the group plan on doing a leaded panel soon. By the way, I thought maybe my Friday morning was really starting out *in= teresting* when the very first message I come across is one from "EXOCTI= C" and the subject is "TALKING". For a moment I thought maybe I accident= ly got mail from one of those other groups!!! Does exoctic indicate the = type of pets/animals you raise, or perhaps you dance??? (Okay, okay, I'm= just joking around. For all of you out there about to send me hate mail= for my venture off of the glass topic, please don't. I'd be crushed.) Welcome aboard! Dawn > my name is scott adams, and I have been subsribed to the mailing ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 08:14:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w86xA-0000Xaa; Fri, 21 Mar 97 08:14 PST X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: June Glass Event Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:13:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar21.61355.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-21 04:16:07 EST, you write: << AGSA (Art Glass Suppliers Association) is the show in June. the 25th through the 29th, in Baltimore. Sunday, the 29th it is open to the public. Other days are for membership only. The trade show is very large. This is the show where everyone tries to have something "New" to show off. AGSA's phone numbers for info are 614 452-4541 and fax 614 452-2552. See you there. Barbara >> Actually, as an exhibitor I can tell you that they decided not to have a public day this year. This show is open only to the trade, and runs the 25-28th of June. The actual show takes place the 27-28th, Friday and Saturday, while the 25-26th are for education. Just wanted to make sure that non tradespeople didn't plan trips around the show and be unable to get in. Last year, in Nashville, they did have a public day on Sunday. Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 08:30:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w85Ub-0000Vta; Fri, 21 Mar 97 06:40 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar21.4380.0> References: <<1997Mar20.145627.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk shyguy wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > i think the shape your explaining, or at least what i'm seeing in my > > head is like 1/2" squares; set up in rows. some old schools have them, > > not the prettiest glass in the world, it's more architectural. though it > > sort of looks like little square bubbles. > > > > ---Mike Savad > > That's the stuff - evidently the 'square bubbles' change the path of the > light from the candle. I have cobbled up some of these from some old > scrap glass to see how they look. But i couldn't get the effect this > woman described. I got some feed back on it -will try to order a few sq. > feet to see how it looks. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe she can get a picture for you. genrally non-glass people have no idea what their talking about. for all we know it could be granite, english muffle, crystal ice, or hammered. at least those would be some of my picks if i were making it; because those textures blend in the best. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 11:45:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8AF8-0000TKa; Fri, 21 Mar 97 11:44 PST X-Path: CapAccess.org!rejones From: "Robert E. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: June Glass Event Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:48:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar21.94852.0> References: <<1997Mar21.420.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, last name:Anthony wrote: > I heard that the AGSA show is June 27 and 28 with no "public day" this > year due to conflicts with the convention center. > > the 29th, in Baltimore. Sunday, the 29th it is open to the public. Other I live in the Baltimore area and am very interested in the show. The info that I have is that the 25th and 26th are "workshop days" days and that the 27th and 28th are open to the public for $25.00 admission charge per day. With that kind of admission charge, I can see why some people would say that it is not "open" to the public. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 12:07:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8Aau-0000Tna; Fri, 21 Mar 97 12:07 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:04:22 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar21.20422.0> References: <<1997Mar18.123747.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carolyn, I started making mosaic stepping stones last year and have had good results with Quick-crete fast setting concrete. I've never had a problem with glass cracking, and the Quick-crete is much stronger than mortar. It took me a few practice trys to get a smooth finish with no air bubbles, but they come out great now. Some of the stones get stepped on frequently, and some don't, so I'll see how they hold up over the years. Jerri On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:37:47 -0800 Carolyn Duncan writes: >Doug It was good to meet you at the Expo. I had two very good >classes. One suggestion was to put your grinder in a 10 gal fish tank >turned on it's side to prevent water from spraying all over. So >simple, >but I never thought of it. I also do stepping stones and had a >problem >with glass cracking even though it hadn't been stepped on. A >suggestion >was to use Quick-crete. I saw several types. Anyone know if there is >a >specific kind? Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 12:22:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8Ap3-0000OCa; Fri, 21 Mar 97 12:21 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Thanks for your welcome Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:26:08 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for your welcome. I have been doing stained glass for about three years with lots of big breaks of time in between. But now I am getting more serious. I tend to do free form or large type of hanging things, mostly geometric designs. But have branched out to various type of dragons and the like. The name is exotic, because my company name that I earn a living from is "Exotic Edible of Edgewood," and my partner and I raise gourmet and specialty mushrooms. The edibles are exotic when you have tried a lion's mane or hen of the woods. We mostly raise oyster mushroom mostly though. I have exhibited and sold stained glass at a local (New Mexico) Renaissance Arts Fair, and my designs get a good reception. One of the main things I do for the Renaissance Faire is to get cobalt goblets, and sandblast celtic, mideavel and pagan designs on them. Plates have sold well also, so I am this year planning to do more. I am really glad I found this group. I took one beginners class 5 years ago, and have been teaching myself ever since. I think I have learned more in the last month than I did in the last two years. I have enjoyed looking at all of your sites. Mike Savad, you are truly an artist. beautiful stuff. One thing I am looking for is a resist that will stretch so I can put it on tulip shaped goblets smoothly. When it wrinkles the blast often gets in the wrinkle and I loose my fine line. Any suggestions? Thanks again Scott Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 14:36:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8Cuo-0000lza; Fri, 21 Mar 97 14:36 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks for your welcome Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar21.12330.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk exotic@lobo.net wrote: > > Thanks to all for your welcome. I have been doing stained glass for > about three years with lots of big breaks of time in between. But now > I am getting more serious. I tend to do free form or large type of > hanging things, mostly geometric designs. But have branched out to > various type of dragons and the like. > > The name is exotic, because my company name that I earn a living from > is "Exotic Edible of Edgewood," and my partner and I raise gourmet > and specialty mushrooms. The edibles are exotic when you have tried a > lion's mane or hen of the woods. We mostly raise oyster mushroom > mostly though. > > I have exhibited and sold stained glass at a local (New Mexico) > Renaissance Arts Fair, and my designs get a good reception. One of > the main things I do for the Renaissance Faire is to get cobalt > goblets, and sandblast celtic, mideavel and pagan designs on them. > Plates have sold well also, so I am this year planning to do more. > > I am really glad I found this group. I took one beginners class 5 > years ago, and have been teaching myself ever since. I think I have > learned more in the last month than I did in the last two years. > > I have enjoyed looking at all of your sites. Mike Savad, you are > truly an artist. beautiful stuff. > > One thing I am looking for is a resist that will stretch so I can > put it on tulip shaped goblets smoothly. When it wrinkles the blast > often gets in the wrinkle and I loose my fine line. Any suggestions? > > Thanks again > > Scott > > Myrddn > > Blessed Be > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i wonder if there is a paint on resit. i know you can use elmers white glue, with acid etch, though that's hard to control. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 21 14:40:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8CyY-0000Jwa; Fri, 21 Mar 97 14:39 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Bubble Glass" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:34:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970321164340.1d377b14@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sounds like what they sell for bathroom glass here! Meg At 07:56 PM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >M. Savad wrote: > >> i think the shape your explaining, or at least what i'm seeing in my >> head is like 1/2" squares; set up in rows. some old schools have them, >> not the prettiest glass in the world, it's more architectural. though it >> sort of looks like little square bubbles. >> >> ---Mike Savad > >That's the stuff - evidently the 'square bubbles' change the path of the >light from the candle. I have cobbled up some of these from some old >scrap glass to see how they look. But i couldn't get the effect this >woman described. I got some feed back on it -will try to order a few sq. >feet to see how it looks. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 07:25:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8Sen-0000MWa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 07:24 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear friends, I have been running my decorative glass business here in Atlanta for over 14 years. We have been pretty successful at doing it. Although there are a lot of books about how to work in our industry, and much still to be written ( I am sure) on techniques, etc. I have really found none that covers the subject of how to successfully market our work, and achieve big results. In an effort to survive and earn a good living doing what I love, I long ago learned I needed to learn something about marketing decorative glass. Now, after 14 years of failures and successes in this area, and much experimentation at the cost of thousands of dollars on my part, I have come accross some real gems in this subject. Since I have been doing this (and please do not consider this boasting, because I am sure there are others doing much better than I ) my studio has had highest ever annual sales every year, and now it is starting to reach stellar heights. So what I would like to know is: do you think a book on this subject would be valuable to others artists? I guess what I am asking is, if I wrote such a book, would you buy a copy? Or does this subject not really matter to anyone in our craft? I am certain the subject would also work for any medium of the arts, such as painting, carving, photography, etc. Please give me your honest opinion. E-Mail me at: artglass@mindspring.com or just post a message on bungi. Thanks, Mike Delaware www.mindspring.com/~artglass (My studios website) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 07:32:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8SmA-0000Pea; Sat, 22 Mar 97 07:32 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: atlas Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:31:11 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar22.153111.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am much newer at computers than at glass, my PC is ok but with Win. 3.11 and not much else what will i need to copy-download or whatever to access the atlas. Perhaps i haven't been paying too much attention as much of the computerize talk is way over my old head. thanks for all your info on various working in stained glass. Also complements to Dawn and Mike and others to rush to help Scott. thanks Don ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 09:03:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8UA4-0000MTa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 09:00 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: atlas Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:01:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970322120059.006adb6c@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:31 AM 3/22/97 EST, you wrote: >I am much newer at computers than at glass, my PC is ok but with Win. >3.11 and not much else what will i need to copy-download or whatever to >access the atlas. You should hopefully be able to point and click to download the files and that's about all. The only problem is after they down load finding where the computer put them. It's always best to have an empty directory ready before you download, so that you can specify to download into that directory. If you create c:\patterns before getting on line, then when the computer picks a Netscape directory, you can change it to read c:\patterns, and that's where they will end up. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 09:12:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w8SmA-0000Pea; Sat, 22 Mar 97 07:32 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: atlas Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:31:11 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar22.153111.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am much newer at computers than at glass, my PC is ok but with Win. 3.11 and not much else what will i need to copy-download or whatever to access the atlas. Perhaps i haven't been paying too much attention as much of the computerize talk is way over my old head. thanks for all your info on various working in stained glass. Also complements to Dawn and Mike and others to rush to help Scott. thanks Don ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 09:16:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8UNs-0000EHa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 09:15 PST X-Path: gunnison.com!debbi From: Debi Overton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: atlas Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:17:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Mar22.31734.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970322120059.006adb6c@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was going to download something and it was taking forever. Is that how it works? Naming the directory makes a lot of sense. After you download do you have to tell it to save to that directory or does it automatically do it? As you can tell, I'm new to this net thing. -Debi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 10:57:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8Vwi-0000Hha; Sat, 22 Mar 97 10:55 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: atlas Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:55:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970322135528.006b0518@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:17 AM 3/22/97 -0700, you wrote: >I was going to download something and it was taking forever. It depends on how large the file you download is...the larger the file the longer it takes. Is that >how it works? Naming the directory makes a lot of sense. After you >download do you have to tell it to save to that directory or does it >automatically do it? BEFORE you download, you tell it to save it into the directory that you would like it in. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 12:30:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8XPG-0000Nsa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 12:28 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:26:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar22.102613.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Artistic Glass of Atlanta wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I have been running my decorative glass business here in Atlanta > for over 14 years. We have been pretty successful at doing it. > Although there are a lot of books about how to work in our > industry, and much still to be written ( I am sure) on techniques, etc. I > have really found none that covers the subject of how to successfully > market our work, and achieve big results. > In an effort to survive and earn a good living doing what I love, I > long ago learned I needed to learn something about marketing decorative > glass. > Now, after 14 years of failures and successes in this area, and > much experimentation at the cost of thousands of dollars on my part, I have > come accross some real gems in this subject. > Since I have been doing this (and please do not consider this > boasting, because I am sure there are others doing much better than I ) my > studio has had highest ever annual sales every year, and now it is starting > to reach stellar heights. > So what I would like to know is: do you think a book on this > subject would be valuable to others artists? I guess what I am asking is, > if I wrote such a book, would you buy a copy? Or does this subject not > really matter to anyone in our craft? > I am certain the subject would also work for any medium of the > arts, such as painting, carving, photography, etc. > > Please give me your honest opinion. E-Mail me at: > artglass@mindspring.com or just post a message on bungi. > Thanks, > > Mike Delaware > > www.mindspring.com/~artglass (My studios website) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'm not sure, i guess it would have to depend on the price of the book. alot of success depends on the area your living in. like if you set up shop in a poor neighborhood, sales are'nt going to be too hot. but a richer neighborhood well a much higher profit should be found. so for someone to buy the book they would need a good location. now are people buying your stuff, because you work is 'that' good, or is it that your the only stained glass guy for a hundred miles. but hey, you could always try, the main problem is with stained glass, is, know matter what kind of advertising is done; stained glass will always be considered a luxury item. and any advertising, may only reflect in your own area. like you may live in a community that is craft related, or you may live in the middle of the desert, it's all fairly regional. now, i'm not bad mouthing the idea of your book or anything. but those are a few things that ran across my mind. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 15:21:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8a6M-0000DNa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 15:21 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:27:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199703222321.SAA26990@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Mike, I think such a marketing book is an *excellent* idea. You asked: So what I would like to know is: do you think a book on this subject would be valuable to others artists? I guess what I am asking is, if I wrote such a book, would you buy a copy? Or does this subject not really matter to anyone in our craft? I would certainly *consider* buying such a book and have no doubt that many artists would be very interested in such information. After all, there are more than a *few* artists who have trouble asking someone to buy their work! As a former public relations specialist, I imagine I would know how to use good marketing tools ... whether I would *buy* a book would also depend (of course) on how much it costs and whether, on perusal, it seemed as if I could apply the ideas to my own work. Of course, I have been known to treat the local bookstore as a library ... they all seem to encourage that these days with cushy couches and little cafes and I might just hang out and read your book in the store. ;0 I've also made my living as a writer (newspaper columns and freelance magazine writing, mostly business, but some food writing), and would be more than happy to look at an outline and give you feedback. Some of my friends think I'm a good editor. Go for it! M.-J. M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 15:59:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8age-0000Jra; Sat, 22 Mar 97 15:59 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: Money at glass! Date: Sat, 22 Mar 97 15:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199703222358.PAA04881@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard.......... I have been in business for around 16 years. This is a (second income) owner-operated, non advertised, no hours business. ...I do what, when and how I please. I teach, sell supplies, travel, do road shows, and used to do an ocassional seminar. Of late I have been making a few cents from the "net". I specialize in lamps.... I have a modicum of a reputation and a few places that buy them as well a few collectors. IMHO, you can explain how to do business, but only perserverance, not being desperate, a QUALITY product and some competitive spirit will eventually get you to the "heights". (we all have a different evaluation of heights). I for one would not "buy" a book....I when the whim strikes, or the offer is good enough will do a "speak" on negotiating and setting up a small (very) business. For friends, I also advise on the stock market, as it has become a major hobby. NOT everyone is meant to be in business....who would work for someone else if we all worked ourselves? Want to kick this around a bit...........back to you! -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 16:18:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8azI-0000dUa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 16:18 PST X-Path: direct.ca!kmccullo From: kmccullo@direct.ca To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:20:21 -0800 Message-ID: <199703230018.QAA20890@aphex.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In response to: >Dear friends, > > I have been running my decorative glass business here in Atlanta >for over 14 years. We have been pretty successful at doing it. > Although there are a lot of books about how to work in our >industry, and much still to be written ( I am sure) on techniques, etc. I >have really found none that covers the subject of how to successfully >market our work, and achieve big results. >Micheal: Sound to me that you have spent time on your business plan to identify your target market and it has obviously worked for you. I am sure that there are people that would definetly benefit from your knowledge. It is not easy to do a business plan which is realistic, with real goals and reasonably accurate statistics. And not just full of whimcicles (did I spell that right?) ideas, and wishful thinking. And it is not easy to put all of your thoughts into some type of order, that makes sense and you can take to your local bank & have him go WOW, you bet I'll back you. Sounds great! Karin >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 16:36:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8bGl-0000Lya; Sat, 22 Mar 97 16:36 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: pattern atlas Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:31:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970315155135.1c17375a@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All; A thought... while I don't mind sharing with you all, or even anyone who wants to use my pattern for themselves to make glass from, I would be upset if someone took our "booK" and published it and sold it!!! What protection do we have there??? Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 16:42:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8bM0-0000OOa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 16:41 PST X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:41:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703230041.TAA18980@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your wrote, >Dear friends, > > I have been running my decorative glass business here in Atlanta >for over 14 years. We have been pretty successful at doing it. > Although there are a lot of books about how to work in our >industry, and much still to be written ( I am sure) on techniques, etc. I >have really found none that covers the subject of how to successfully >market our work, and achieve big results. > In an effort to survive and earn a good living doing what I love, I >long ago learned I needed to learn something about marketing decorative >glass.>> I was just curious as to who your market would be? Are you looking to market this to the professional or the hobbyist? . I get calls every week from artists who are looking for ways to market themselves. Maybe I shouldn't give these ideas away anymore? << I guess what I am asking is, if I wrote such a book, would you buy a copy? Or does this subject not really matter to anyone in our craft?>> I think the subject is probably really important to someone who is either just starting out and looking to do this for a living. I think if someone has been in the business for fourteen years or even ten for that matter, and doesn't make a good income they should think long and hard about what they are doing. " If you love what you do the money will come." Our studio has been in existence for about 22 years, we have taught classes, sold supplies, given lectures and as they say "done it all". I do think that there is something to be said about "paying your dues." I don't think that there is one plan for everyone. It just doesn't work that way. So would I buy your book? I don't think so. Nothing personal. And I don't mean to be flip either but our website is a located at: http://ourworld..compuserve.com/homepages/artglass And if anyone is interested in some marketing ideas ...just email me I will pass them along for free!!! my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 19:00:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8dW2-0000Nsa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 19:00 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:27:18 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar23.42718.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I feel that any help on the subject of selling and pricing our work is helpful. I'd purchase the book if it's at a reasonable price and tries to teach us on all levels of selling our works. I know that we all need some self confindence training and any help is appreciated. mary On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:28:07 -0400 artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) writes: >Dear friends, > > I have been running my decorative glass business here in >Atlanta >for over 14 years. We have been pretty successful at doing it. > Although there are a lot of books about how to work in our >industry, and much still to be written ( I am sure) on techniques, >etc. I >have really found none that covers the subject of how to successfully >market our work, and achieve big results. > In an effort to survive and earn a good living doing what I >love, I >long ago learned I needed to learn something about marketing >decorative >glass. > Now, after 14 years of failures and successes in this area, >and >much experimentation at the cost of thousands of dollars on my part, I >have >come accross some real gems in this subject. > Since I have been doing this (and please do not consider this >boasting, because I am sure there are others doing much better than I >) my >studio has had highest ever annual sales every year, and now it is >starting >to reach stellar heights. > So what I would like to know is: do you think a book on this >subject would be valuable to others artists? I guess what I am asking >is, >if I wrote such a book, would you buy a copy? Or does this subject >not >really matter to anyone in our craft? > I am certain the subject would also work for any medium of the >arts, such as painting, carving, photography, etc. > > Please give me your honest opinion. E-Mail me at: >artglass@mindspring.com or just post a message on bungi. > > Thanks, > > >Mike Delaware > >www.mindspring.com/~artglass (My studios website) > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 22 19:01:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8dW2-0000gLa; Sat, 22 Mar 97 19:00 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:34:46 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar23.43446.0> References: <<199703230041.TAA18980@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just recieved my retail liscense and would appreciate all the help I can get. I really didn't want to get into doing the IRS thing but failed to think of another way to get liscened and on the market. I love the art of stained glass and am proud of my work. So any ideas you't share I'd love to have. Thanks for your help. Mary diamonds@juno.com On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:41:44 -0500 (EST) artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) writes: >Your wrote, > >>Dear friends, >> >> I have been running my decorative glass business here in >Atlanta >>for over 14 years. We have been pretty successful at doing it. >> Although there are a lot of books about how to work in our >>industry, and much still to be written ( I am sure) on techniques, >etc. I >>have really found none that covers the subject of how to successfully >>market our work, and achieve big results. >> In an effort to survive and earn a good living doing what I >love, I >>long ago learned I needed to learn something about marketing >decorative >>glass.>> > > >I was just curious as to who your market would be? Are you looking to >market >this to the professional or the hobbyist? >. I get calls every week from artists who are looking for ways to >market >themselves. Maybe I shouldn't give these ideas away anymore? > > ><< I guess what I am asking is, >if I wrote such a book, would you buy a copy? Or does this subject >not >really matter to anyone in our craft?>> > >I think the subject is probably really important to someone who is >either >just starting out and looking to do this for a living. I think if >someone >has been in the business for fourteen years or even ten for that >matter, and >doesn't make a good income they should think long and hard about what >they >are doing. " If you love what you do the money will come." > >Our studio has been in existence for about 22 years, we have taught >classes, >sold supplies, given lectures and as they say "done it all". I do >think >that there is something to be said about "paying your dues." I don't >think >that there is one plan for everyone. It just doesn't work that way. > So would I buy your book? I don't think so. Nothing personal. And >I >don't mean to be flip either but our website is a located at: >http://ourworld..compuserve.com/homepages/artglass >And if anyone is interested in some marketing ideas ...just email me I >will >pass them along for free!!! > >my best, >pj > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 05:51:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8neW-0000HDa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 05:49 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: contracts etc Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 07:44:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970315171217.1c9701ea@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All; We have had discussions on prices, contracts etc.. in the past, and I thought I had everything all squared away... then the friend for whom I am making the Tropical Noah's Ark announced yesterday that she is going to make T-shirts from pictures of the finished window. I was wondering, no one has mentioned (nor did the contracts) if they are selling all rights, or just the one time use rights (for the window). I would think that if she were going to sell the T-shirts and make alot of money (she may have meant for family, and at any rate even if she sold probably wouldn't make alot of money!) that it would be a copyright infringement??? What do you people think. I haven't decided what I'll do about this one, since she is a friend, and may not be going to sell them, but I will change my contract to read that it is for the one time use to make the window... or something (any good wording out there??). If she thinks she bought all rights for example, then maybe I wouldn't be allowed to send the design to the atlas if I wanted??? Love to hear your thoughts! Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 07:06:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8onc-0000J4a; Sun, 23 Mar 97 07:03 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 09:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970323095931.006b1240@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If she thinks she bought all rights for example, >then maybe I wouldn't be allowed to send the design to the atlas if I >wanted??? Love to hear your thoughts! Meg It's my understanding that as long as you have the copyright symbol and your name that you automatically have a copyright on the design. It is up to you then to enforce it. You can register the pattern with the copyright office officially, but that's not necessary to legally claim the design as yours with a copyright. According to Dave Rand "The actual patterns can be placed on the website, subject to copyright restrictions, of course. Any materials must be in the public domain." I'm not sure if he was talking about us stealing patterns, or someone stealing patterns from us. Perhaps someone else has views on that. Joyce Send patterns to joyce@mail.bright.net or Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 07:34:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0w8onc-0000J4a; Sun, 23 Mar 97 07:03 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 09:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970323095931.006b1240@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If she thinks she bought all rights for example, >then maybe I wouldn't be allowed to send the design to the atlas if I >wanted??? Love to hear your thoughts! Meg It's my understanding that as long as you have the copyright symbol and your name that you automatically have a copyright on the design. It is up to you then to enforce it. You can register the pattern with the copyright office officially, but that's not necessary to legally claim the design as yours with a copyright. According to Dave Rand "The actual patterns can be placed on the website, subject to copyright restrictions, of course. Any materials must be in the public domain." I'm not sure if he was talking about us stealing patterns, or someone stealing patterns from us. Perhaps someone else has views on that. Joyce Send patterns to joyce@mail.bright.net or Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 07:41:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8pNO-0000ODa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 07:40 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:46:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199703231539.KAA10297@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > According to Dave Rand "The actual patterns can be placed on the website, > subject to copyright restrictions, of course. Any materials must be in the > public domain." I'm not sure if he was talking about us stealing patterns, > or someone stealing patterns from us. Perhaps someone else has views on that. Sounds like Dave's rule to me. He realizes that putting the patterns online makes them susceptible to being downloaded and copyrights infringed. However, if each pattern were also marked with the copyright information -- "Copyright (c) 1997 Joyce Moran," for example -- and an additional sentence, "May be freely downloaded and used for your own personal enjoyment, but not resold, republished in any form without express written permission of the copyright holder," or words to that effect, that would protect the copyright, notify the user that the use to which the pattern could be put is limited and perhaps satisfy Dave's requirements, as well. Perhaps what Dave's getting at, though, is that those who upload patterns to the bungi.com archives are stating that the patterns are not, have not been and won't be from other published sources or patterns the copyright to which doesn't, as lawyers say, "reside in them." Clearly, if the patterns meet Dave's requirement that they be "in the public domain," then they cannot be from published sources or from other people who own the copyrights to them ... but he's also making it clear that you expect them to be used by anyone and everyone else without limitation and that you've Given Them Away, even if you end up seeing the designs being printed on dresses at Macy's, in which case you could be proud and poor at the same time. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 07:41:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8pNO-0000O1a; Sun, 23 Mar 97 07:40 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:46:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199703231539.KAA10302@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > We have had discussions on prices, contracts etc.. in the past, and I > thought I had everything all squared away... then the friend for whom I am > making the Tropical Noah's Ark announced yesterday that she is going to make > T-shirts from pictures of the finished window. Unless you signed a contract specifically assigning copyright, you retain the copyright and the design cannot be used by anyone for any reason without your permission. It is *not, repeat *not necessary to have the (c) copyright line on the item, on the pattern, on the drawing, or anywhere else for the design to be copyrighted. It's copyrighted the instant you create it. Of course, notifying everyone that the design is copyrighted by adding that line is helpful, but not required. (Incidentally, the word "copyright" protects the item in the United States, the c-in-a-circle -- (c) -- protects it elsewhere.) You can legally force someone to stop using your copyrighted design by going to court, but you won't be able to collect any money damages from them unless you registered the trademark ($20 per design?). If you do that, you can force violators of copyright to stop *and you can sue them for money damages. I am not a lawyer, but I've been answering this question for over 20 years (remarkable how often it comes up -- well, maybe *not so remarkable), and I can refer you to an excellent copyright attorney. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 08:30:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8q8z-00006Ga; Sun, 23 Mar 97 08:29 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The response to my book idea Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 12:32:52 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends, Thank you for all the advice about my book. It is very warming to to recieve all the support. Special thanks to Albert, Martin, Debbie, Susan G., Lee, Robert, M. Savad, M.-J, Karin, Mary, Laura and everyone else who responded. I will keep you posted on my progress. -Michael Delaware ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 13:16:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8ucG-00004Sa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 13:15 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Window Pictures Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 13:11:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar23.51158.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I sent a couple of pictures to Mike of two windows I made. I never recieved any comment from him and am wondering if he ever saw them. If you are reading this Mike a comment would be nice. Thanks, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 17:01:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8y89-0000nea; Sun, 23 Mar 97 17:00 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: California Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:59:31 EST Message-ID: <1997Mar24.05931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I haven't seen where any of the Bungi group are from Ca. I will be in Santa Rosa from the 7th through the 24th and would like to visit with anyone interested in talking stained glass, i'll even bring pictures of some of the stuff i've done (not to impress,but just to share) i am just an artesan not an artist. Hope to see someone there. By the way how many bunginians are there? Have a Joyous Easter. Don ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 17:01:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8y8R-0000fxa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 17:01 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Window Pictures Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar23.145833.0> References: <<1997Mar23.51158.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RThaxton@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > I sent a couple of pictures to Mike of two windows I made. I never > recieved any comment from him and am wondering if he ever saw them. If > you are reading this Mike a comment would be nice. > Thanks, > Melissa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i got them, though i was'nt really expecting anything, they were quite huge (meg size). i have them on my syquest, and cleaned up the graphic (mainly the one with the trees). if your curious what i did, i can u/l it to you. i removed the window lines, and straigtened it up a bit. i'm curious it's hard to tell in photos, the sky, is it armstrong? or kokomo? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 18:01:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8z3W-0000Zfa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 18:00 PST X-Path: frognet.net!bumblbee From: "bumblebee Stained Glass" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:58:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199703240200.VAA00022@froggy.frognet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sounds like your Noah's Ark project is really going to be spectacular. I have never made anything quite that big but perhaps I can offer some advice on the reinforcing. Our studio does a considerable amount of restoration & repair work. I study each piece brought in to see if I can determine what made it fail. In many cases the panal has separated from the reinforcing bar. There seems to be 2 reasons for this. 1) the panal was simply "tacked to the rebar at each point it crossed a solder line and over the years the solder simply let go. And 2) there was a wire soldered to the seam and tied around the rebar. Being a thin wire so it could be easily worked it often breaks in time. In the repairs I do and now in my own work I use a modified attachment method... Take a piece of very heavy tinned wire say 12 ga. bend it into an omega shape so it fits over the rebar then has legs on each end about 1 to 1.5 inches long. A crude rendition is shown below. ___ | | | | __________| |__________ Bend the legs so they will follow the curves of the seam line you are crossing to help hide it. Solder VERY liberally especially where it bends. Also solder the wire firmly to the rebar itself. On a piece as big as yours I would put one in each seam you cross to distribute the stress. I know this sounds like a lot of work (it is) but I have never yet had to fix one twice. Good Luck. Paul ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 18:37:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w8zd1-0000POa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 18:36 PST X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: "Paula Nelson" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Monster Fairies Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 21:27:58 +0000 Message-ID: <199703240238.CAA27233@email6.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: vom Uitland rottz at the Glass Dog Studio Precedence: bulk > spray painted with a flat white primer. The paint Chris used on the > fairies was a standard flat model paint available at most hobby shops. I paint military models (American Civil War) when I have time (which I haven't in quite some time) and something that I've learned might work here... I use a black primer, and drybrush the colours so the detail is blacked - really nice way to do it, I've used white and grey before and it just doesn't have the depth... I have a monster dragon that I intend to paint in this fashion - when I have time ;) Paula ____________________________________________________________ Paula Nelson pjnjril@ngai.com http://pwp.starnetinc.com/pjnjril/uitland.htm The Glass Dog Studio - featuring Rottweilers in Glass (708) 399-6791 VoiceMail Pager "Life is too short to work weak dogs" ____________________________________________________________ "No slack - but that doesn't make us bad people" SCPCC 13-96 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 19:05:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w903z-0000bKa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 19:04 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: California Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:04:42 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "California" on Mar 23, 19:59, eldondo1@juno.com writes:] > I haven't seen where any of the Bungi group are from Ca. I will be in > Santa Rosa from the 7th through the 24th and would like to visit with I'm in San Jose. About 2 hours away from Santa Rosa. > an artesan not an artist. Hope to see someone there. By the way how many > bunginians are there? Have a Joyous Easter. Don There are about 280 people currently on the list. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 22:17:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w934M-0000Daa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 22:17 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: I am writing a book. What do you think about the subject? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 01:17:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar23.201711.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd probably buy it - I buy practically everything I can get my hands on. But you'll have to sell it through the wholesale channels. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 23 22:33:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w93JO-0000DWa; Sun, 23 Mar 97 22:32 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: PJ Friend - web site Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 01:32:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar23.203248.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ - I tried your web site. Couldn't retrieve it. Temporary problem or what? Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 04:32:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w98u9-0000AXa; Mon, 24 Mar 97 04:31 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: talking Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:44:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199703241231.MAA17954@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Scott, I am myself usually quick to say hello to any newcomers - in particular if they turn up from "far-flung" places. We are all a friendly bunch. So don't get intimidated.!! I myself have currently had to retreat into a pure "lurk-mode", since I am expecting to host a crowd of "Bunginians" coming over from USA to UK in the next week or so (Lots to DO & prepare!!!). So for many reasons, there will always be a certain amount of "flowing in and out" by everybody. Just Hang in there! :-) Mike Delaware: Your book - sounds interesting!! Have saved your posts & will give my 2 cents worth as soon as I can. Happy Easter to you all!! Elisabeth 'n Toby worth exotic@mail.lobo.net wrote: > > Am i not supposed to say anything unless I am a guild memer? Or what? > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 14:22:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9I7o-0000kpa; Mon, 24 Mar 97 14:21 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Ultimate Solder Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 16:25:21 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar25.02521.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, This is Dawn. I just came across a reference about Ultimate solder in = the archives and wondered if anyone could give me a little more detail = about it. I noticed that Mike (Savad) said that it is excellent for bead= ing. Why is that, and how does it differ from 60/40? Also, does anyone have an opinion about the "beading" tips for irons? = Do any of you use a tip specifically made for beading? The tip I am refe= rring to is made by Weller and has a small half circle notch cut out of = the tip of it. Currently, I am in the process of practicing, practicing,= practicing my soldering trying to improve my skill. I was curious if = such a tool would be beneficial. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 15:07:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9Ipd-0000Zma; Mon, 24 Mar 97 15:07 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: reinforcing-thankyou Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:02:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970325003603.2bff1992@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks; Just wanted to thank you all for your good ideas, and pointers. It is such a good feeling to know you have a group of friends out there willing to help when you need a little advice!!! Will let you know how it turns out. Still working on the door and sidelights, but had to get the design etc.. finished and approved for the Noah's ark before she buyer leaves on the 7th of April for 2 months. Hope to have it finished for her by the time she gets back. If any of you are ever coming to Costa Rica, let me know.. and feel free to ask for travel advice if you need it! Thanks again, Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 15:10:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9Isp-0000vZa; Mon, 24 Mar 97 15:10 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: PJ Friend - web site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:16:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199703242310.SAA09996@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > PJ - > I tried your web site. Couldn't retrieve it. Temporary problem or what? > Barbara My 2c worth: one quite often can't retrieve the URL one's trying to reach simply because the web's too busy ... or because some kind of impenatrable glitch has arisen. I find quite often that going to another site (like Yahoo or Alta Vista ... any of the search engines) and *then trying the site I want again results in getting there. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 15:10:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9Iso-0000rAa; Mon, 24 Mar 97 15:10 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reinforcing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:16:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199703242310.SAA10001@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I study each piece > brought in to see if I can determine what made it fail. Very wise, Paul. That's the key to good restoration, but ... > In many > cases the panal has separated from the reinforcing bar. There seems > to be 2 reasons for this. 1) the panal was simply "tacked to the > rebar at each point it crossed a solder line and over the years the > solder simply let go. And 2) there was a wire soldered to the seam > and tied around the rebar. Being a thin wire so it could be > easily worked it often breaks in time. In both cases above, you've addressed the symptom, but not its cause. The glass moves away from the support bar for one reason or another, but it's those reasons that have to be discovered and addressed. The glass' movement will break the solder bond or the tie wire, but not because the solder weakens or the tie wire's too light in weight. Check further for the real reason the window's structure's failing. Puttin' on my other hat now: Albert Albert Lewis, President Art in Architecture Press, Inc. Tonetta Lake Road Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax (914) 278-2481 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 15:57:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9Jc1-0000VQa; Mon, 24 Mar 97 15:57 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ultimate Solder Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:54:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar24.135424.0> References: <<1997Mar25.02521.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > This is Dawn. I just came across a reference about Ultimate solder in = > the archives and wondered if anyone could give me a little more detail = > about it. I noticed that Mike (Savad) said that it is excellent for bead= > ing. Why is that, and how does it differ from 60/40? > > Also, does anyone have an opinion about the "beading" tips for irons? = > Do any of you use a tip specifically made for beading? The tip I am refe= > rring to is made by Weller and has a small half circle notch cut out of = > the tip of it. Currently, I am in the process of practicing, practicing,= > practicing my soldering trying to improve my skill. I was curious if = > such a tool would be beneficial. > > Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ultimate solder or 63/37 is mainly a decorative solder. this solder does'nt have a pasty range, it goes from liquid to solid. so when you have that perfect bead, there's less of a chance to have it mess up. but it's also more expenive. i know of the tip your talking about, some people swear by it. i personally don't use it because i think it's too restrictive, i like being able to keep my iron in the same direction. instead of having to match the curve of the line with the rotation of the iron, so the bead follows the curve of that tip. plus of course knowing how to use a plain iron means that you can use anyones iron; instead of using just yours. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 24 16:01:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9Jfz-0000jNa; Mon, 24 Mar 97 16:01 PST X-Path: mailbox.jf.intel.com!lynice From: Lynice Spangler To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:01:08 -0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar24.1618.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 04:34:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9VQB-0000aRa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 04:33 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Ultimate Solder Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar25.23627.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, This month's Glass Pattern's Quarterly has an excelent article about the different percentages of tin to lead ( not untimate specifically) but it does go into why the higher percentage of tin makes for better decorative soldering. Linda This is Dawn. I just came across a reference about Ultimate solder in = the archives and wondered if anyone could give me a little more detail = about it. I noticed that Mike (Savad) said that it is excellent for bead= ing. Why is that, and how does it differ from 60/40? begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(AP,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S`' ``0```!0```!213H@56QT:6UA=&4@4V]L9&5R``(!<0`!```` M%@````&\.1DH@"?]A.6DX!'0N^ `W0$5E<@``!X`'@P!````!0```%--5% ` M````'@`?# $````2````;&-B96QL0&UE;6%C:"YC;VT````#``80_]P5\P,` M!Q"A`0``'@`($ $```!E````1$%73BQ42$E334].5$A31TQ!4U-0051415). M4U%505)415),64A!4T%.15A#14Q%3E1!4E1)0TQ%04)/55142$5$249&15)% M3E1015)#14Y404=%4T]&5$E.5$],14%$*$Y/5 `````"`0D0`0```%\"``!; M`@``D0,``$Q:1G5SOLY0_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K R`H!] M"H (SPG9`H '"H$-L0M@;F @1(!A=VXL(%1H! 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En- forcing the copyright is the problem...who has the bucks? -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 05:35:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9WNy-0000tXa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 05:35 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:42:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199703251335.IAA09384@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > YOu do not need to have a copyright symbol on your work to have it protected. > Once it is in tangible form (you've drawn it!), it is copyrighted. En- > forcing the copyright is the problem...who has the bucks? Poke around and find Lawyers for the Arts or some such other organization. Ask your congressperson and/or your local/state arts councils for pointers to legal assistance for artists/craftspeople. The resources are out there; you just have to look for them. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 08:16:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9Ytt-0000gFa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 08:16 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ultimate Solder Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 10:20:03 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar25.18203.0> References: <<1997Mar24.135424.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks Mike, I knew I could count on you to come through with some helpful advise. You mentioned that the ultimate sets up much quicker, so I would assume that perhaps I should stay away from this type of solder until my soldering skills have improved, since it evidently wouldn't be quite as forgiving. Mike wrote: >ultimate solder or 63/37 is mainly a decorative solder. this solder >does'nt have a pasty range, it goes from liquid to solid ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 10:52:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9bK6-0000cAa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 10:51 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Christmas Tree Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 12:55:24 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar25.205524.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, I took a look at your website. Very nice, and beautiful work. Out of curiousity, how large is the Christmas tree? Dawn > Yes we are doing a lot of glass here in Georgia. Check out our >website at: www.mindspring.com/~artglass -Mike Delaware ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 11:59:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9cLu-0000lta; Tue, 25 Mar 97 11:57 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:57:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar25.95745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << I started making mosaic stepping stones last year and have had good results with Quick-crete fast setting concrete. >> I've heard so many different ways of doing pavers! My book recommended a first "layer" of mortar and a second layer or concrete/quickrete. (Pouring on top of the glass at the bottom of the mold) Even recommended chicken wire as a reinforcement. Then there's the Vicki Payne way: buy the plain paver, and glue and grout the glass to it. I think we should do some "life testing" on different methods and how they hold up. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 13:02:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9dMO-0000fLa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:02 PST X-Path: LAKEFIELD.net!mburacz From: "Darlene" To: Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:59:16 -0600 Message-ID: <199703252033.OAA24339@lake1.lakefield.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Then there's the Vicki Payne way: buy the plain paver, and=20 > glue and grout the glass to it. >=20 > I think we should do some "life testing" on different methods and > how they hold up. I will volunteer to test the two different methods and report on the = outcome. A friend and I started with the Vicki Payne way: She loves it = and I hate it. I make such a mess with the adhesive and to me it's way = too time consuming. I'd rather be cutting glass than getting adhesive = out of my hair. She has one stone that she left outside this winter = (central Wisconsin -- lots of snow, cold and ice) to see what effect = that would have on it. =20 I am now using the mold method. For me it's much quicker and so far I = like the results I am getting. The surface is very smooth, unlike the = other method which requires an absolutely even coat of adhesive. =20 By way of introduction, my name is Darlene, I have been on this list for = about 2 weeks and I am having lots of fun with the paving stones. I am = married with 3 kids, 3 cats and 2 dogs and am hoping to finally get = around to making a few stones for myself! Darlene =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 13:36:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9dtB-0000Q6a; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:36 PST X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:36:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar25.113612.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It seems as though the area is the deciding factor there. From what our customers have told us about their stones, the durability in this region (mid-atlantic) is significantly greater when using the Tiffany Garden method of layering and casting the stone in a mold. Vicki Payne's method is simpler, and seems to hold up well in climates that don't have any freezing problems. A couple of my customers had problems with their stones this winter that they created with that method. Just my 2 cents.... Jenna Meredith Stained Glass In a message dated 97-03-25 16:32:03 EST, you write: << I've heard so many different ways of doing pavers! My book recommended a first "layer" of mortar and a second layer or concrete/quickrete. (Pouring on top of the glass at the bottom of the mold) Even recommended chicken wire as a reinforcement. Then there's the Vicki Payne way: buy the plain paver, and glue and grout the glass to it. I think we should do some "life testing" on different methods and how they hold up. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 13:38:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9duX-0000YYa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:37 PST X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Source 97 show in June Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:37:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar25.113738.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Got our exhibitors information today, and just wanted to clear up any confusion on the whole public day issue. There is NO public day at this years convention. AGSA members are admitted for free, non-members can get in for a $25 fee. However, even the non-members will be trade qualified. Hope this helps! Jenna Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 14:15:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9eUg-0000Lja; Tue, 25 Mar 97 14:15 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:18:17 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar26.01817.0> References: <<199703252033.OAA24339@lake1.lakefield.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Darlene, I don't know if you had a chance to look at the files in the bungi archive or not, but there's quite a bit of information on stepping stones in there. I have pulled all the info. on stepping sto= nes from the archives and would be glad to share that file with you if you like. If you're interested, send me your e-mail address so I can send it to you. You obviously already know what you're doing, but thought you might be interested in the various techniques that were discussed. Wow, three kids, three cats and two dogs! It must be difficult to get to work on your glass with all that going on. Cats add a whole new challenge to doing stained glass I've found. Mine takes immense pleasure in being right in the middle of the project, batting around the piece of glass I just cut or laying on top of the grinder. But, she has pefected her jump up on the worktable = now so that she can manage to land right in the middle of all of the pattern pieces I just separated into various piles so caref= ully. Woooshhhh, all over they go! Dawn Darlene wrote: I will volunteer to test the two different methods and report on the =3D outcome. A friend and I started with the Vicki Payne way: She loves it = =3D and I hate it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 14:23:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9eca-0000WYa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 14:23 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ultimate Solder Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:20:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar25.122022.0> References: <<1997Mar25.18203.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Thanks Mike, I knew I could count on you to come through with > some helpful advise. You mentioned that the ultimate sets up much > quicker, so I would assume that perhaps I should stay away from > this type of solder until my soldering skills have improved, since > it evidently wouldn't be quite as forgiving. > > Mike wrote: > >ultimate solder or 63/37 is mainly a decorative solder. this solder > >does'nt have a pasty range, it goes from liquid to solid > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it melts a little quicker, it's just as forgiving, because it's less likely to spike, or goo over. but it's also more expensive, which is why i stick with 60/40, i only use that stuff if the solder is really bugging me. but i still do an undercoat of 50/50, supposedly you have to turn the iron down heat wise when working with ultimate. the 50-50 acts like a barrier, so the lower melting ultimate does'nt blead through. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 14:47:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9ezu-0000jva; Tue, 25 Mar 97 14:47 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Source 97 show in June Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:54:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199703252247.RAA11964@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Got our exhibitors information today, and just wanted to clear up any > confusion on the whole public day issue. There is NO public day at this > years convention. AGSA members are admitted for free, non-members can get in > for a $25 fee. However, even the non-members will be trade qualified. Just a note: members of the Guild get in for half that, since the AGSA gives Guild members a 50% discount on entry, although you're right, Jenna; they still have to be trade qualified. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 15:16:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9fRY-0000cIa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:15 PST X-Path: uninet.net!mcastle From: mcastle@uninet.net (Martin Castle) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I talked with my brother who is a lawyer and he said that if I commission someone to do some work for me everything is mine. That I do not have the right to anything that I produce. He said that the only way he knew of getting around this is to state that your name will be listed on the item as the designer. The other thing is that if some one comes in and buys something from you shop that if it is an orginal that you should copyright any pictures or patterns that go with the item. Hopefully this will help some what. Take Care Martin Martin Castle Debbie Sugerman Ph.D 135 Deer Hill Rd 135 Deer Hill Rd Freedom Maine 04941 Freedom Maine 04941 207 382 6207 207 382 6207 Martin Castle Dr. Debbie Sugerman Guidance Director Professor Outdoor Education Islesboro Central School Unity College PO Bx 118 Unity Maine 04988 Islesboro Maine 04848 207 734 2251 207 948 3131 Ex 220 207 734 8159 Fax email-mcastle@uninet.net email--dsugerman@uninet.net You can't be lost if you don't care where you are. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 15:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9fW6-0000FHa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:20 PST X-Path: aol.com!Redware1 From: Redware1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mosaics Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:20:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar25.132031.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen the newer mosaic book - "Making Mosaics" - Dierks? I have "The Mosaic Book" by Goodrick-Clark and it is very inspiring. I was wondering if the new book is worth ordering. Also, I am also very interested in the retail price that artists are selling their stepping stones and tables for. I have seen a hex for $99.00 and heard of them selling for more. Has anyone seen a 14" round table for sale? I want to put them both in my booth this summer and really do not know the asking price. I know the more detailed should go for more. Diane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 15:41:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9fpi-0000Tma; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:40 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 18:47:28 +0000 Message-ID: <199703252340.SAA16473@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I talked with my brother who is a lawyer and he said that if I commission > someone to do some work for me everything is mine. That I do not have the > right to anything that I produce. He said that the only way he knew of > getting around this is to state that your name will be listed on the item > as the designer. The other thing is that if some one comes in and buys > something from you shop that if it is an orginal that you should copyright > any pictures or patterns that go with the item. Hopefully this will help > some what. Take Care Martin With all due respect to your brother, Martin, I think you'll find that it's all a bit more complicated than that ... and that the artist/designer/craftsperson has a whole lot more protection than your brother thinks. Ask him about "work for hire" (in which case your product *is the property of the person who hired you) and work that is *not done for hire. If what you say is true about buying something from a shop and the copyright to the thing I've bought is now mine (or did I misunderstand you?), then I have a swell Toyota motor car that I'm going to have copied right away ... in the thousands. I'd say, if you want copyright advice, ask a copyright attorney. Again, I can recommend a good one. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 17:13:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9hH0-0000lWa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:13 PST X-Path: LAKEFIELD.net!mburacz From: "Darlene" To: Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:06:04 -0600 Message-ID: <199703260044.SAA00412@lake1.lakefield.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn -- Thanks! I would really like to have the file. You're right, I = haven't been to the archives yet. Never seem to have a free minute. = Someone else just asked me for patio stone tips, so I will send it to = her too. Actually my cats aren't as much trouble around the glass as my oversized = newfoundland dog. He insists on being in whatever room I am in, so when = I'm in the workshop doing glass he's laying right there by my feet. = After a few hours his long fur is speckled with glass chips and I have = to brush him out before we leave the room. =20 Thank you! Darlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 17:54:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9huN-0000qRa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:53 PST X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:53:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar25.155342.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-25 20:15:01 EST, you write: << Actually my cats aren't as much trouble around the glass as my oversized = newfoundland dog. He insists on being in whatever room I am in, so when = I'm in the workshop doing glass he's laying right there by my feet. = After a few hours his long fur is speckled with glass chips and I have = to brush him out before we leave the room. >> This brings up an interesting point. First I guess I should re-introduce myself. My name is Janet and I was on this list about a year ago. We moved from NY to the Cape and I just finally got a chance to resubscribe. The question I have in regards to animals, is should I worry about my dog being around the fumes. I have a fume trap, but I know this is not enough to capture all the fumes. I also worry about her getting cut. I'm pretty careful about sweeping up, but you can't have it clean all the time. I've banned her from my shop. Am I being silly??? Any comments on this subject would be appreciated. I know it's not exactley about glass itself, but it is a concern for me. Thanks, Janet IMN2GLASS@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 18:38:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9ib6-0000lFa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 18:37 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dierks' new book on Mosaics (was Mosaics) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:43:19 +0000 Message-ID: <199703260237.VAA09455@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes! I just got Dierks' book yesterday. I, too, have (and love) Goodrick-Clarke's book. Dierks is *much* better of you can believe it! Dierks' book has far more photos of designs ... classic and modern ... and very in-depth technique. The projects are not quite as great as Goodrick-Clarke's, but they are very good. It is a *must* buy, IMO. I got mine from Glass Crafters on sale, too! On 25 Mar 97, I found these words from Redware1@aol.com in my mailbox: > > Has anyone seen the newer mosaic book - "Making Mosaics" - Dierks? I > have "The Mosaic Book" by Goodrick-Clark and it is very inspiring. I > was wondering if the new book is worth ordering. > > Also, I am also very interested in the retail price that artists > are selling their stepping stones and tables for. I have seen a hex > for $99.00 and heard of them selling for more. Has anyone seen a 14" > round table for sale? I want to put them both in my booth this > summer and really do not know the asking price. I know the more > detailed should go for more. > > Diane > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 20:04:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9jvJ-0000pOa; Tue, 25 Mar 97 20:02 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:50:09 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar26.5509.0> References: <<199703252033.OAA24339@lake1.lakefield.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd also appreciate your sending them to me too. Thanks for your help. Mary diamonds@juno.com On Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:18:17 PST Dawn writes: > >Hi Darlene, > > I don't know if you had a chance to look at the files >in the bungi archive or not, but there's quite a bit of information >on stepping stones in there. I have pulled all the info. on stepping >sto= >nes from the archives and would be glad to share that >file with you if you like. If you're interested, send me your e-mail >address so I can send it to you. You obviously already know >what you're doing, but thought you might be interested in the >various techniques that were discussed. > > Wow, three kids, three cats and two dogs! It must be >difficult to get to work on your glass with all that going on. Cats >add a whole new challenge to doing stained glass I've found. >Mine takes immense pleasure in being right in the middle of the >project, batting around the piece of glass I just cut or laying on >top of the grinder. But, she has pefected her jump up on the >worktable = >now so that she can manage to land right in the middle >of all of the pattern pieces I just separated into various piles so >caref= >ully. Woooshhhh, all over they go! > >Dawn > >Darlene wrote: >I will volunteer to test the two different methods and report on the >=3D >outcome. A friend and I started with the Vicki Payne way: She loves >it = >=3D >and I hate it. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 20:48:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9kcw-0000Z3a; Tue, 25 Mar 97 20:47 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: <199703260447.XAA14861@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, Somehow I missed the original post, so I don't have your address to mail directly. Oops! In ancy case, I'd be very grateful if you'd send the stepping stone file on to me. Thanks! M.-J. On 25 Mar 97, I found these words from Darlene in my mailbox: > > > Dawn -- Thanks! I would really like to have the file. You're right, > I = haven't been to the archives yet. Never seem to have a free > minute. = Someone else just asked me for patio stone tips, so I > will send it to = her too. > > Actually my cats aren't as much trouble around the glass as my > oversized = newfoundland dog. He insists on being in whatever room > I am in, so when = I'm in the workshop doing glass he's laying right > there by my feet. = After a few hours his long fur is speckled with > glass chips and I have = to brush him out before we leave the room. > =20 > > Thank you! > Darlene > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 25 20:50:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9kfP-0000gua; Tue, 25 Mar 97 20:50 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pet Safety Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:46:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar25.184652.0> References: <<1997Mar25.155342.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi, I too would be worried about pet safety in the shop or studio. Glass chips are easy to get embedded in a dogs or cats paws, where you may not notice them until they fester and infection starts. We can wear shoes in the studio, but the pets can't. I have a cockateil, who insists on being on my shoulder most of the time, but she has to go into her little house (cage) in another room, when I work with chemicals (solder & Patina) or do any grinding-tiny slivers can fly from the grinder, and get in her eyes. I wear glasses so am protected. My 2 cents worth= Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > The question I have in regards to animals, is should I worry about my dog > being around the fumes. I have a fume trap, but I know this is not enough to > capture all the fumes. I also worry about her getting cut. I'm pretty careful > about sweeping up, but you can't have it clean all the time. I've banned her > from my shop. Am I being silly??? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 04:18:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9reL-00004Wa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 04:17 PST X-Path: thezone.net!robertcrane From: robert crane To: glass@bungi.com Subject: hydrofluoric acid Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:56:45 -0330 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.5845.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: thezone Precedence: bulk I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I have great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out there that knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads would be appreciated. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 04:48:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9s7H-0000iha; Wed, 26 Mar 97 04:47 PST X-Path: fls.infi.net!reneau From: Tomi Reneau To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.25153.0> References: <<199703260044.SAA00412@lake1.lakefield.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: InfiNet Precedence: bulk Have never tried the patio stones, but you all make it seem 'neat'. Would you mind sharing the 'how-to' info? Thanks. Tomi reneau@fls.info.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 05:43:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9syr-0000XVa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 05:43 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:49:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199703261343.IAA20299@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I have > great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out there that > knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads would be > appreciated. The reason it's hard to find is that it is E X T R E M E L Y D A N G E R O U S to work with! The tiniest amount, a mere droplet, will penetrate the skin to the bone, causing exquisite pain. The vapors are unbelievable. Please contact Monona Rossol, our safety editor, for more information on why you shouldn't even consider it. Click on the address for our home page, below, then on the ACTS (Arts, Crafts & Theater Safety) banner near the top of the page. You can use her site to communicate with her directly by email or you can search for information on this and/or any other subject pertaining to safety. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 06:56:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9u7Y-0000pha; Wed, 26 Mar 97 06:56 PST X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: GlasCrafts@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Making Mosaics Book Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:55:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar26.45553.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane wrote: "Has anyone seen the newer mosaic book - "Making Mosaics" - Dierks? I have "The Mosaic Book" by Goodrick-Clark and it is very inspiring. I was wondering if the new book is worth ordering." Glass Crafters stocks the new book, "Making Mosaics" (Cat.# 7667) on sale at @21.95 The 127pg. full color hardcover book is very informative and inspirational. Each new mosaic book that comes out seems to take mosaic work in new creative directions! There are a dozen great projects to create, plus an overview of four basic mosaic techniques: pique assiette, direct, indirect, and three dimensional application. Dozens of beautiful color photos of both traditional and contemporary mosaic work will give you all sorts of new ideas. You will not be disappointed with this book! Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc. 398 Interstate Ct. Sarasota, FL 34240 1-800-422-4552 1-941-379-8333 FAX: 1-941-379-8827 GlasCrafts@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 07:00:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9uB6-0000Nma; Wed, 26 Mar 97 06:59 PST X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:00:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703261500.KAA10860@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote, >I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I have >great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out there that >knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads would be >appreciated. >---- Well does the word "acid" bring anything to mind??? Hydroflouric is real dangerous in the wrong hands. And they just don't sell it to just anyone. You might contact an area University to see if they have access to it in their glass program (if they have one). Hydrofluoric is a great etching material and the effects on glass cannot be duplicated with any other material (sorry to say). Also dispossing of the material after use is getting harder and harder. Nobody wants to touch it. Storage also is something to think about. We have some in the studio that is stored in an almost what we call the vault. We also wear some pretty heavy duty equipment when we use it. So, if this is just something you thought you would try. Think it hard. And try to see if there is someone nearby who uses it and knows how to handle it properly. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 07:13:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9uNo-0000mka; Wed, 26 Mar 97 07:13 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.51010.0> References: <<1997Mar25.155342.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk IMN2GLASS@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-25 20:15:01 EST, you write: > > << Actually my cats aren't as much trouble around the glass as my oversized = > newfoundland dog. He insists on being in whatever room I am in, so when = > I'm in the workshop doing glass he's laying right there by my feet. = > After a few hours his long fur is speckled with glass chips and I have = > to brush him out before we leave the room. >> > > This brings up an interesting point. First I guess I should re-introduce > myself. My name is Janet and I was on this list about a year ago. We moved > from NY to the Cape and I just finally got a chance to resubscribe. > > The question I have in regards to animals, is should I worry about my dog > being around the fumes. I have a fume trap, but I know this is not enough to > capture all the fumes. I also worry about her getting cut. I'm pretty careful > about sweeping up, but you can't have it clean all the time. I've banned her > from my shop. Am I being silly??? > > Any comments on this subject would be appreciated. I know it's not exactley > about glass itself, but it is a concern for me. > > Thanks, > > Janet > IMN2GLASS@aol.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's probably for the best, the dog may not breath in the fumes; but may instead lick different things (as dogs do), that may have flux vapors on them. as for the glass, a good vaccuuming should be fine, though you'd have to make sure to get all the nooks and crannies each time; as if a baby were going to be in your shop. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 08:02:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9v9i-0000NEa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:02 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:58:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar25.235819.0> References: <<199703261500.KAA10860@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My two cents worth: Why not use sandblasting to etch the glass. You get really good results and not near as hazardous. PJ from CA. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 08:06:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9vDK-0000PMa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:06 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Christmas Tree Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 12:55 PM 25/3/97, Dawn wrote: >Mike, > >I took a look at your website. Very nice, and beautiful work. Out >of curiousity, how large is the Christmas tree? > > Dawn > Dawn, The tree is about 6 feet high when you include the stand. It was one of the most enjoyable projects to be involved with. When we won 1st place, we were covered in 5 papers resulting 7 newspapers articles. It was pretty wild. -Michael Delaware P.S. We just changed our address to a new web address, you can now find us at: www.artisticglassusa.com If you visit the old one, it will take you to the new one. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 08:39:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9viy-0000mVa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:38 PST X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!CUTLER From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar26.63849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bob Cutler: You overlooked the use of "thin-set" as a way of attaching the glass to the paver. This product is used to set ceramic tile on concrete. When that has set I apply grout (which claims to be suitable for external as well as inside use). When cured I seal it with a silicone sealer. All these products are available at my local Lowes. I agree that we need to test the various ways of making decoraticve pavers. I'll keep you posted on my results :) On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: I've heard so many different ways of doing pavers! My book > recommended a first "layer" of mortar and a second layer or > concrete/quickrete. (Pouring on top of the glass at the bottom > of the mold) Even recommended chicken wire as a reinforcement. > > Then there's the Vicki Payne way: buy the plain paver, and > glue and grout the glass to it. > > I think we should do some "life testing" on different methods and > how they hold up. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 08:49:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9vt1-0000mTa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:49 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:48:57 -0800 Message-ID: <199703261648.IAA14975@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Robert, I would echo others' words re: the reactivity of hydrofluoric acid, and suggest you research it thoroughly if you are not familiar with lab techniques for hazardous materials. If you decide to proceed, try going through a biological supply company such as Anachemia Science (they have offices in 6 major cities across Canada). Email me directly if you need an address or phone number. That way the whole group won't have to go through the painful process of reading the message. I checked my catalog since I'm a biological consultant in my non-glass life, and they have it in 48% and 52% solutions. Probably a 500 ml size would be more than you'd ever need, but that appears to be the smallest they have. Anachemia will do orders via VISA as well as on account, however they have a $50 minimum charge per order. Hope this helps. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative Seaspray Consulting >I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I have >great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out there that >knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads would be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 08:49:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9vt4-0000mja; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:49 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones & pricing Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:49:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199703261649.IAA14990@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been lurking on this group for about a month, and must say there's some interesting conversations. I would also be interested in hearing how people are pricing their stepping stones and their work in general, also what kind of price points sell well at juried art fairs, what sorts of things people have found to be good sellers, etc. I'm thinking that since we're from all over North America we could maybe trade ideas for hot sellers and support each other in our sales and marketing efforts without competing with each other directly. Of course, each of us would have to decide whether the ideas would be good for our particular market...in other words temper enthusiasm with common sense. With stepping stones, I know my costs are low, however I'm unsure what the market will bear, which of course is the best way to price any item. I'd be interested in hearing others' experiences with this. What is the best way to keep the glass from slipping around while filling the mold with concrete? I've tried making stepping stones by arranging glass on mactac, placing it in the bottom of a mold and then filling with concrete. When I did this I had two problems...first the edge of the mactac left a line around the outer edge of the stone, second, some of the concrete mixture oozed up between the glass and the mactac. When I scraped it away later, the glass was left slightly below the concrete surface level, and the edge of the concrete tended to crumble slightly as I scraped it away. Also, any good ideas for items that can be used for molds?..the ones available at glass shops are very expensive, and eliminate the possibility of making batches of stones. I've been using large plant saucers, but find the slides a bit too sloped for my liking. I like the potential I see for this group to be a great source of information. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 10:10:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9x74-0000QIa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 10:07 PST X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: melinton@alison.sbc.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:07:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<199703261649.IAA14990@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have an idea I plan to try as soon as I get time to work on some stepping stones. It may be totally whacked so let me know what you think Bungians. Would it work to paint a layer of rubber cement on the bottom of the mold, let it set up some and then press your glass into/onto it? Then you could let it get really rubbery before pouring in the morter. One drawback is that you wouldn't have a pattern to work over, but I plan to do geometric shapes so I'm not too worried about needing a pattern underneath. I hate the idea of buying scads of clear contact paper and then packing the landfill with it after one use. What d'ya think? --Liz You only need two things in life; WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 11:18:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0w9wRV-0000OzC; Wed, 26 Mar 97 09:24 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:14:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.11449.0> References: <<199703261343.IAA20299@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I have > > great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out there that > > knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads would be > > appreciated. > > The reason it's hard to find is that it is E X T R E M E L Y D A N G > E R O U S to work with! The tiniest amount, a mere droplet, will > penetrate the skin to the bone, causing exquisite pain. The vapors > are unbelievable. Please contact Monona Rossol, our safety editor, > for more information on why you shouldn't even consider it. Click on > the address for our home page, below, then on the ACTS (Arts, Crafts > & Theater Safety) banner near the top of the page. You can use her > site to communicate with her directly by email or you can search for > information on this and/or any other subject pertaining to safety. > > Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hydroflouric Acid ( HF ) is nothing you want to fool with! I work in the semiconductor industry and know of its dangers. I have been exposed and sent to the hospital because one of the processes in the manufacturing of silican wafers has a by product of HF gas which etched my asophagas. Not too fun for me. Also, it is the silent acid. By this I mean it looks, tastes and feels like water. It is called the bone seeker because once on the skin if not flushed with water for at least 15 minutes will go directly to the bone and marrow and EAT it. When at this stage, if caught directly the only thing that can be done is a shot, INTO the bone, OUCH! You would be better of to use etching paste from glass stores. It scares me to think about you using it at home. Think again, reconsider and please don't. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 11:47:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0w9viy-0000mVa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:38 PST X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!CUTLER From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar26.63849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bob Cutler: You overlooked the use of "thin-set" as a way of attaching the glass to the paver. This product is used to set ceramic tile on concrete. When that has set I apply grout (which claims to be suitable for external as well as inside use). When cured I seal it with a silicone sealer. All these products are available at my local Lowes. I agree that we need to test the various ways of making decoraticve pavers. I'll keep you posted on my results :) On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: I've heard so many different ways of doing pavers! My book > recommended a first "layer" of mortar and a second layer or > concrete/quickrete. (Pouring on top of the glass at the bottom > of the mold) Even recommended chicken wire as a reinforcement. > > Then there's the Vicki Payne way: buy the plain paver, and > glue and grout the glass to it. > > I think we should do some "life testing" on different methods and > how they hold up. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 11:53:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0w9vt1-0000mTa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:49 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:48:57 -0800 Message-ID: <199703261648.IAA14975@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Robert, I would echo others' words re: the reactivity of hydrofluoric acid, and suggest you research it thoroughly if you are not familiar with lab techniques for hazardous materials. If you decide to proceed, try going through a biological supply company such as Anachemia Science (they have offices in 6 major cities across Canada). Email me directly if you need an address or phone number. That way the whole group won't have to go through the painful process of reading the message. I checked my catalog since I'm a biological consultant in my non-glass life, and they have it in 48% and 52% solutions. Probably a 500 ml size would be more than you'd ever need, but that appears to be the smallest they have. Anachemia will do orders via VISA as well as on account, however they have a $50 minimum charge per order. Hope this helps. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative Seaspray Consulting >I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I have >great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out there that >knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads would be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 12:11:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9z1h-0000Ywa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 12:10 PST X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Art Glass World Update Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:10:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199703262010.PAA14230@digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --Art Glass World Update-- New Features-- Regional Glass Craft Conferences Glass craft conferences offer a variety of classes with famous instructors. No matter what your skill level, beginner or experienced craftsperson, there are classes available for you. Check out upcoming Western and Central Region Conferences. Don't miss these great opportunities to SEE, HEAR, AND SPEAK GLASS. 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State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 12:28:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0w9vt4-0000mja; Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:49 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones & pricing Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:49:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199703261649.IAA14990@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been lurking on this group for about a month, and must say there's some interesting conversations. I would also be interested in hearing how people are pricing their stepping stones and their work in general, also what kind of price points sell well at juried art fairs, what sorts of things people have found to be good sellers, etc. I'm thinking that since we're from all over North America we could maybe trade ideas for hot sellers and support each other in our sales and marketing efforts without competing with each other directly. Of course, each of us would have to decide whether the ideas would be good for our particular market...in other words temper enthusiasm with common sense. With stepping stones, I know my costs are low, however I'm unsure what the market will bear, which of course is the best way to price any item. I'd be interested in hearing others' experiences with this. What is the best way to keep the glass from slipping around while filling the mold with concrete? I've tried making stepping stones by arranging glass on mactac, placing it in the bottom of a mold and then filling with concrete. When I did this I had two problems...first the edge of the mactac left a line around the outer edge of the stone, second, some of the concrete mixture oozed up between the glass and the mactac. When I scraped it away later, the glass was left slightly below the concrete surface level, and the edge of the concrete tended to crumble slightly as I scraped it away. Also, any good ideas for items that can be used for molds?..the ones available at glass shops are very expensive, and eliminate the possibility of making batches of stones. I've been using large plant saucers, but find the slides a bit too sloped for my liking. I like the potential I see for this group to be a great source of information. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 13:06:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9zsw-0000xWa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 13:05 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:09:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 26 Mar 97, Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I was going to attempt some etching using hydrofluoric acid but I > > have great difficulty obtaining the acid. Is there anyone out > > there that knows a source of this material in Canada? Any leads > > would be appreciated. > > The reason it's hard to find is that it is E X T R E M E L Y D A N > G E R O U S to work with! The tiniest amount, a mere droplet, will > penetrate the skin to the bone, causing exquisite pain. The vapors > are unbelievable. (snip) > > Albert OK Albert. I have tried to get a good etch for some things I am doing with the retail available paste and it is very!!!! unsatisfactory. I would like to get a very even surface etch, but deep enough that it is visible. Is this even possible with acid? Is blasting the only way to go. If so, does glass beading work? Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 13:12:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0w9zyZ-0000F6a; Wed, 26 Mar 97 13:11 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:14:55 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 26 Mar 97, Tomi Reneau wrote: > Have never tried the patio stones, but you all make it seem 'neat'. > Would you mind sharing the 'how-to' info? Thanks. Tomi > reneau@fls.info.net I recently saw some very nice work at the local stained glass supply and gallery. Since I have moved into the forest, where there is no paving, I have walkways, patios, and work surfaces to pave, and this would be a good way to improve on the ordinary, and at the same time let visitors see what I do, or can do. Anyone who has pulled information out of the archives on a single subject has done a lot of work, and if your willing to share, I will owe you one. Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 13:15:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA01m-0000cta; Wed, 26 Mar 97 13:14 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: exotic@mail.lobo.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:18:46 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 26 Mar 97, Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > My two cents worth: Why not use sandblasting to etch the glass. > You get really good results and not near as hazardous. PJ from CA. For myself, I cannot get the fine texture in sandblasting that I get from etch, nor the uniformity of surface. Since I don't have my own blaster, and have to rely on borrowed equipment, I have little choice of the size of grit, nor do I get to gain experience in getting a uniform surface when I am paying $10 an hour or more for blasting. It makes acid etch look very appealing Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 13:45:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA0Us-0000zHa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 13:44 PST X-Path: aol.com!WLester380 From: WLester380@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pet Safety Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:40:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar26.114039.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I keep my pets and my grandchildren out of the shop. Besides the problems of slivers I am concerned about the lead! Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 13:45:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA0V9-0000zLa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 13:44 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: light table Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:49:29 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. Thanks Myrddn Blessed Be ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 14:22:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA14o-0000Uda; Wed, 26 Mar 97 14:21 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.121859.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there > any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that > size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. > > Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? > Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. > > Thanks > > Myrddn > > Blessed Be > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass make sure the glass is'nt tempered, there really is'nt any way of checking, without smacking it with a hammer. maybe you can replace your normal bench with this giant light table... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 14:28:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA1AJ-0000H2a; Wed, 26 Mar 97 14:27 PST X-Path: mailhost.cyberramp.net!byronw From: Byron Wells To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:30:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.103010.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there > any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that > size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. > > Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? > Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. > I cut glass on my light table when its a dark piece and the marker doesnt show well... What I do is put a piece of 1/8" plexiglass over the light table to protect it from damage... Byron ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 14:39:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA1Lr-0000wNa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 14:39 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hydrofluoric acid Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:46:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199703262239.RAA14387@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > OK Albert. I have tried to get a good etch for some things I am doing > with the retail available paste and it is very!!!! unsatisfactory. I > would like to get a very even surface etch, but deep enough that it > is visible. > Is this even possible with acid? Is blasting the only way to go. If > so, does glass beading work? Abrasive blasting (we're not referring to it as "sand"blasting any longer, since actualy sand isn't good for you or the environment, either) will never (in my experience) give you as nice a surface as will acid, but the stuff's just too d****d dangerous. As others have pointed out, you don't realize you've been had, then you just wanna die rather than put up with all the treatment that's necessary. On the other hand, alternate abrasives (walnut shells, etc.) can produce wonderful effects in experienced hands. I've seen that, too. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 15:03:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA1iw-0000zxa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:03 PST X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.125726.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn: Yes, glass can be cut on a light table. This is the fastest way to cut it. The trick is mostly cutting while looking straight down at the pattern and letting up on the glass cutter pressure at the edge of your piece. I never had any difficulty with the top although I put a thin piece of plastic on it if an inexperienced person was going to cut on the table. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro Myrddn wrote: > > Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? > Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 15:05:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA1kl-00010La; Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:05 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stepping Stones: Two methods Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:10:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199703262305.SAA18610@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here are a couple of posts on stepping stones I copied from AOL a while ago. I can't vouch for either; I've been too busy with a bathroom floor and a sidelight for a door to even think about it! For what they are worth: First post: Buy concrete stepping stones in whatever size or shape you prefer. I used 12 inch round ones, about $1.50 at Home Depot. Choose a design and copy it (carbon paper works) onto the stone. Cut out your design pieces from glass leaving at least 1/8 inch in between pieces for the grout. Glue on the pieces after they are all cut. I use a glass laminating glue, or the white glue that Vicky Payne sells. (Mastic would be good, too.) For a nice background I use little squares of a single color glass glued in straght lines. Let the glue dry over night. HomeDepot also sells several colored, or plain white sanded grout. The sanded is recommended for glass mosaic. Add water to the grout mix, and fill in the spaces in your project. Let dry 20-30 minutes, then wipe away the excess with a barely moist sponge. Wait another 30 minutes, then wipe clean your glass. Polish, if desired. Wait a day or two before placing it outdoors. ******** And here is another AOL post: Subj: Directions fpr Stepping Stones Date: 95-12-21 20:17:49 EST From: Glassimage Stepping Stones Cut glass to match a pattern that fits inside your mold. Leave at least 1/4 inch between the pattern and the edges. Lay the glass on a copy of the pattern (it can be glued on using stick glue) smooth (right) side up. Cover the glass with a piece of clear contact paper with the sticky side down on the glass. Turn the glass/plastic sheet over and adjust the glass if necessary. Press all pieces firmly on the plastic. Place the glass, plastic side down into a mold that has been treated with a release material (Vasoline, Pam, etc. ) Mix enough "topping" mix or brick mortar mix to cover the glass with a 1/4 inch mixture and pour over glass. Make sure it fills into cracks. Tap the bottom of the mold to get out air bubbles. Mix the remainder of the topping mix with the premix concrete and water to a dry consistency. Fill the form half full. Lay reinforcing wire such as rabbit wire or fence wire into the mold. Fill the remainder of concrete and level. Let dry 5 days. Empty the stepping stone out of the mold. Remove the plastic. Clean concrete off of the glass with a scrubber. Application of a weak hydrochloric acid solution will clean off any concrete that is stubborn. About 30 days is required for the stone to reach full strength. ******************************************************************** M.-J. Taylor athena@bridge.net Life is like an old, rickety bridge: You cross quickly and you mustn't build your house on it. ******************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 15:47:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA2PX-0000yAa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:47 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & pricing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:59:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199703262347.XAA00817@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carol, Glad to have you with us! We don't ALL come from North America; some of us are in Australia, New Zealand (have I got it wrong again?!) Canada South Africa, Mexico and Islands outside USA, Holland, Poland and even little Sweden and little UK. We throw ideas at each other across continents. Miracles of miracles- we actually meet up face to face now and then. and "trade" stained glass. Sorry folks! Have to wave the flag for Europe again. A little voice in the wilderness.... As regards "pricing", have a look in the Bungi Archives; you will find a mass of information, input and ideas from ALL of us contained in there, going back for the last 12 months or so. Stepping stones has come up again. Previous quite lengthy discussions have come up before in the past. You should be able to find out about this subject too in the Bungi Archives. All quietly organized and run by our GLENNA. There for you and all of us to use and freely dip into. Enjoy! Elisabeth 'n Toby You wote: I'm thinking that since we're from all over North America we could maybe trade ideas for hot sellers and support each other.... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 15:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA2PI-00011Ma; Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:47 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & animals Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:59:34 +0000 Message-ID: <199703262346.XAA00759@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Janet (and whosoever (?) you quoted), A hurried e-mail before I disappear a) to the airport to pick up some Bunginians and b) before we all disappear off to Chartres in France together.... The animal problems you describe are very familiar to me. I am "owned" by an extremely curious and companionable Old English Sheepdog . You can't get much "shaggier" and furrier than that..... Dogs are immensely sensible, in most ways. They are particularly sensitive to smells. When the Lord and Master of this house gets up from having been resident across my feet and disappears off in disgust, then it's time for me to come back to reality and do some ventilating. He won't accept any "whiff" that he is not sure of. Gases and fumes are not the main problem or danger, where animals are concerned, it's GLASS fragments.. I myself am "in between" workshops at the moment, so all of my glass cutting is temporarily undertaken in my "study". Because I care about his paws, I am on my hands and knees with a hand-held vaccuum cleaner after every glass cutting session at the moment.. I also vaccuum the dog!! Work-hygiene and clearing up are the main ingredients to keeping safe. Therefore it MUST be kept clean at all times (for your OWN safety also!!) My 7 stone 4-legged Lord and Master is also very good at picking up on when I myself am geting tired (and therefore inattentive and careless about the work I am doing). He then makes it very clear to me that I really ought to "call it a day" and have a break (preferably with HIM!) In Victorian times in England, the coal-miners used animals (and in particular caged birds) to detect dangerous gases down the coal mines. A bit gruesome, but if the caged bird survived, it was safe, if it died - it wasn't. Had it been a free bird, it would have flown the hell out of there at the first "whiff" of something nasty.... My 2 cents worth.... Elisabeth 'n Toby You wrote: << Actually my cats aren't as much trouble around the glass as my oversized = newfoundland dog. He insists on being in whatever room I am in, so when = I'm in the workshop doing glass he's laying right there by my feet. = After a few hours his long fur is speckled with glass chips and I have = to brush him out before we leave the room. >> This brings up an interesting point. First I guess I should re-introduce myself. My name is Janet and I was on this list about a year ago. We moved from NY to the Cape and I just finally got a chance to resubscribe. The question I have in regards to animals, is should I worry about my dog being around the fumes. I have a fume trap, but I know this is not enough to capture all the fumes. I also worry about her getting cut. I'm pretty careful about sweeping up, but you can't have it clean all the time. I've banned her from my shop. Am I being silly??? Any comments on this subject would be appreciated. I know it's not exactley about glass itself, but it is a concern for me. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 15:58:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA2a4-00010za; Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:58 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:58:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199703262357.PAA05570@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard......... light table (actually 2 of 'em) are necessities for lamp making. I have one that is 26x40 for full sheets. The top is 3/8 plate (heavy) and in 3 sections with gaps to let out heat from anywhere from 20 to 24 60watt clear bulbs on 3 dimmer switches. I cut on a smaller light table also of 3/8 plate with only 6 bulbs and a dimmer. The corners are cut out of the top of this table to allow heat to escape as well as to sweep chips into. I also have extra sections of plate that fit on the table (big one) that I can set up repeats and move them around until I have the feel of the shade that I want as well as get my table back should I need it before I have finished the shade. NOTE: clear bulbs rather than a flourescent fixture! Enjoy...........H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 16:57:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA3UO-00014Pa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 16:56 PST X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: wood@telalink.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stone molds Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:56:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.125658.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol, I have never tried this myself, but I read that you could use 12inch square and those 13x9 baking pans as molds for the stones. Just be sure to use vasoline first so that they'll release when done. I'm going to collect a few pans from my local Goodwill Store just in case it does work and I ever find the time to do some. I've been lurking here for a few weeks myself. This kind of thing is new to me (bulletin boards and mailing lists). I had to find an extra hour in every day just to keep up with my computer habit. We are in the process of remodeling our kitchen (slooooow process). I'm going to put tile up as a backsplash and over the countertop, stove and sink (no window there) area. I'd like to combine some free form glass mosaics in these areas too. Maybe a grapevine with ivy, or maybe magnolias. I haven't quite decided yet. Because there is such a difference in the thickness of tile as opposed to the glass, I'm not sure that it will look okay. I'd be using a bullnose edge tile where it borders the glass design. I guess I need to find the time to work up a sample board, but when it comes to doing something for myself, I can never find the time. Has anyone tried this or done something similar? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have tried to download some of the bigger archive files figuring that I might find the answer there, but something goes wrong before I get all the files (my fault-not bungi}. I tried for a couple hours one night and then gave up. I think I've carried on long enough here so I'll go back to lurking. Sandy Creations In Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 17:07:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA3eI-0000pGa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 17:06 PST X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & animals Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.15335.0> References: <<199703262346.XAA00759@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi Janet (and whosoever (?) you quoted), > A hurried e-mail before I disappear a) to the > airport to pick up some Bunginians and b) before we all disappear off > to Chartres in France together.... > The animal problems you describe are very familiar to me. I am > "owned" by an extremely curious and companionable Old English > Sheepdog . You can't get much "shaggier" and furrier than that..... > Dogs are immensely sensible, in most ways. They are particularly > sensitive to smells. When the Lord and Master of this house gets up > from having been resident across my feet and disappears off in > disgust, then it's time for me to come back to reality and do some > ventilating. He won't accept any "whiff" that he is not sure of. > Gases and fumes are not the main problem or danger, where animals are > concerned, it's GLASS fragments.. > I myself am "in between" workshops at the moment, so all of my glass > cutting is temporarily undertaken in my "study". Because I care about > his paws, I am on my hands and knees with a hand-held vaccuum cleaner > after every glass cutting session at the moment.. I also vaccuum the > dog!! Work-hygiene and clearing up are the main ingredients to keeping safe. > Therefore it MUST be kept clean at all times (for your OWN safety > also!!) My 7 stone 4-legged Lord and Master is also very > good at picking up on when I myself am geting tired (and therefore > inattentive and careless about the work I am doing). He then makes it > very clear to me that I really ought to "call it a day" and have a > break (preferably with HIM!) > In Victorian times in England, the coal-miners used animals (and in > particular caged birds) to detect dangerous gases down the coal > mines. A bit gruesome, but if the caged bird survived, it was safe, > if it died - it wasn't. Had it been a free bird, it would have flown > the hell out of there at the first "whiff" of something nasty.... > My 2 cents worth.... > Elisabeth 'n Toby > > You wrote: > > << Actually my cats aren't as much trouble around the glass as my oversized = > newfoundland dog. He insists on being in whatever room I am in, so when = > I'm in the workshop doing glass he's laying right there by my feet. = > After a few hours his long fur is speckled with glass chips and I have = > to brush him out before we leave the room. >> > > This brings up an interesting point. First I guess I should re-introduce > myself. My name is Janet and I was on this list about a year ago. We moved > from NY to the Cape and I just finally got a chance to resubscribe. > > The question I have in regards to animals, is should I worry about my dog > being around the fumes. I have a fume trap, but I know this is not enough to > capture all the fumes. I also worry about her getting cut. I'm pretty careful > about sweeping up, but you can't have it clean all the time. I've banned her > from my shop. Am I being silly??? > > Any comments on this subject would be appreciated. I know it's not exactley > about glass itself, but it is a concern for me. > > ---- maybe... i know the dog at work (still in a semi puppy stage), he ate some mouse poison, so i would'nt trust the dog's sense of smell completely...btw the dog is fine for the dog lovers out there. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 17:25:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA3vd-00010Ha; Wed, 26 Mar 97 17:24 PST X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Tiffany book Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:24:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199703270124.RAA09661@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm looking for the 'Masterworks of Louis Tiffany' by Duncan, Eidelberg, and Harris. I've been told by Delphi that it's discontinued, does anyone have a copy they'll part with? Or a new one for sale? Thanks Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 18:41:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA57R-0000yKa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 18:40 PST X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: "Paula Nelson" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & animals Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:46:58 +0000 Message-ID: <199703270242.CAA11824@email6.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: vom Uitland rottz at the Glass Dog Studio Precedence: bulk > The question I have in regards to animals, is should I worry about my dog > being around the fumes. I have a fume trap, but I know this is not enough to > capture all the fumes. I also worry about her getting cut. I'm pretty careful > about sweeping up, but you can't have it clean all the time. I've banned her > from my shop. Am I being silly??? I have two parrots that are in my studio (I'm there more than anywhere else nowdays - excepting my 'day job' ;) and I have two rottweilers. The female never comes down, but like Elisabeth's Toby, my male wants too and tries. Because I can't get every piece of glass (Murphy's Law) off the floor, I would rather commit him to the upstairs than get cut. I don't think you're silly, just concerned for her welfare . Paula ____________________________________________________________ Paula Nelson pjnjril@ngai.com http://pwp.starnetinc.com/pjnjril/uitland.htm The Glass Dog Studio - featuring Rottweilers in Glass (708) 399-6791 VoiceMail Pager "Life is too short to work weak dogs" ____________________________________________________________ "No slack - but that doesn't make us bad people" SCPCC 13-96 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 21:19:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA7aT-0000zra; Wed, 26 Mar 97 21:18 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:14:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.131441.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there > any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that > size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. > > Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? > Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. > > Thanks > > Myrddn > > Blessed Be > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass You can cut the glass on the table but I wouldn't recomend it. ( scrathes the surface if you slip ) One of the reasons a light table is so useful is it does away with the step of having to make pattern pieces. ( you put the original pattern on the light table and draw the shape onto the glass to be cut, I then take the glass to my work bench to cut it on. If you are using black glass or glass you cannot see through then you just use pattern paper and draw the peice to be cut onto it and cut the pattern piece out, then use the newly made pattern piece to cut the glass the old way.) As for cutting plate glass I am iGoRnaNt!! ;-) Good luck, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 21:21:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA7cH-0000zFa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 21:20 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:16:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.131622.0> References: <<1997Mar26.103010.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Byron Wells wrote: > > Myrddn wrote: > > > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there > > any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that > > size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. > > > > Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? > > Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. > > > > I cut glass on my light table when its a dark piece and the marker > doesnt show well... What I do is put a piece of 1/8" plexiglass over the > light table to protect it from damage... > > Byron > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thats a great idea I've never thought of!! Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 21:30:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA7kw-0000uTa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 21:29 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: light table] Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:25:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.132518.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by ixmail6.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA14524; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA7aT-0000zra; Wed, 26 Mar 97 21:18 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:14:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar26.131441.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there > any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that > size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. > > Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? > Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. > > Thanks > > Myrddn > > Blessed Be > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass You can cut the glass on the table but I wouldn't recomend it. ( scrathes the surface if you slip ) One of the reasons a light table is so useful is it does away with the step of having to make pattern pieces. ( you put the original pattern on the light table and draw the shape onto the glass to be cut, I then take the glass to my work bench to cut it on. If you are using black glass or glass you cannot see through then you just use pattern paper and draw the peice to be cut onto it and cut the pattern piece out, then use the newly made pattern piece to cut the glass the old way.) As for cutting plate glass I am iGoRnaNt!! ;-) Good luck, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 22:31:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA8ig-0000uJa; Wed, 26 Mar 97 22:31 PST X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: paving stones Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 01:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: <199703270631.BAA06270@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Saw a TV show recently in which Vicki Payne demonstrates the purchased patio stone method of making pavers. She specifically mentions at the end that these must be lifted during the winter. My poured concrete stones have been out in our Michigan winter without damage. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 26 22:47:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wA8xi-0000m6a; Wed, 26 Mar 97 22:47 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tiffany book Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 01:46:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar26.204641.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sherry - I can get you a new copy for $40. Let me know if you want it and where to ship it. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 00:21:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAAQ2-00004Ja; Thu, 27 Mar 97 00:20 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 03:11:52 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar27.111152.0> References: <>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You only trace on the light table in my opinion. I would never try to cut glass on a glass table. You'd damage the light box and that would leave you unable to lay your glass and pattern on the table without scratches under your work. My thoughts!!! Mary diamonds@juno. com On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:18:59 -0500 "M. Savad" writes: >Myrddn wrote: >> >> I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is >4 >> foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut >> the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. Is there >> any special precautions for cutting a peice of plate glass that >> size.? I am cutting it down to 3 ffot by 5 foot. >> >> Do you actually cut glass on the light table, following the pattern? >> Or do you trace? I am afaid of breaking the glass on the table. >> >> Thanks >> >> Myrddn >> >> Blessed Be >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >make sure the glass is'nt tempered, there really is'nt any way of >checking, without smacking it with a hammer. maybe you can replace >your >normal bench with this giant light table... > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 06:09:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAFra-0000ksa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 06:09 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar27.4531.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Myrddn, My 2 cents-Just lay a Morton surface on the light table to cut, you have the benefit of the little holes in the surface to catch the glass shards, and the light coming through to cut pieces with. Use the glass top to check pieces for color and to trace on. I use a vacuum cleaner hose end to vac' the shards out of the Morton surface (the Morton surface comes in two sizes) I rarely use cut out pattern pieces anymore-just cut on the light surface. Saves lots of time. BTW, can you write how to pronounce your name??? It is a beautiful name, Celtic?? Your forest retreat sounds neat-what part of the world is it in?? Hope you have lots of ancient Oak trees there? Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Myrddn wrote: > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 06:35:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAGGa-0000PFa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 06:35 PST X-Path: mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:34:38 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I cut on my light table all the time with no trouble. However, to keep from damaging the surface, I usually stop scoring just sort of the edge of the glass I am working with. =Gary ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 07:49:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAHPu-00011Pa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 07:48 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stone molds Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199703271548.HAA05526@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sandy, Thanks for writing back. My responses are interspersed with snippets of your message so it's as close to a real time conversation as we're likely to get. By the way, where are you located? I'm in British Columbia. >I have never tried this myself, but I read that you could use 12inch >square and those 13x9 baking pans as molds for the stones. Just be sure >to use vasoline first so that they'll release when done. I'm going to >collect a few pans from my local Goodwill Store just in case it does >work and I ever find the time to do some. Well, I've thought of that, and although I haven't tried it yet I'm thinking the metal folds will probably imprint on the sides of the stone...I'm also attracted more to circular shapes and find my designs work better there. Hence the 14" plant saucers. Unfortunately, they are way too thick as the saucer is too deep. I like the idea of pouring my own stones since I use the powdered concrete dye to make it black first. It produces a wonderful effect and makes the stones look much more like stained glass. When I use a prepurchased concrete stone I end up with two coloured sides...not the effect I'm looking for. >Because there is such a >difference in the thickness of tile as opposed to the glass, I'm not >sure that it will look okay. I'd be using a bullnose edge tile where it >borders the glass design. Has anyone tried this or done something similar? >Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm thinking that you apply your thinset tile mortar the same as you would for regular tile installation and then backbutter the thinner pieces before installing them to raise the thinner glass a little so its surface is at the right height. I haven't done this and suspect it might be a little fiddly, however the idea is one I would certainly try if I was dealing with this situation. >I have tried to download some of the bigger archive files figuring that >I might find the answer there, but something goes wrong before I get all >the files (my fault-not bungi}. I tried for a couple hours one night and >then gave up. I've been into the archives myself, but it seems to be a hard place to retrieve from...I haven't been able to find a keyword search engine of any sort, and the thread titles often don't reflect the message content...a common occurrence on any sort of mailing list or newsgroup. >I think I've carried on long enough here so I'll go back to lurking. Please continue to unlurk once in a while. Cheers Carol Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 08:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAHie-0000nBa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:08 PST X-Path: smtplink.dis.anl.gov!lernerk From: "Ken Lerner" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 09:04:15 CST Message-ID: <9702278594.AA859486091@smtplink.dis.anl.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As I understand it, the reason for cutting directly on the light table is to save the step of tracing the pattern onto the glass. This saves time, and also eliminates a possible source of inaccuracy. You probably want to have two copies of your pattern then, one to keep on the light table and other on the workbench where you are assembling the piece. To keep from scratching the glass surface of the light table, you can use a layer of plastic sheet, or Morton surface, or paper to protect it. My question is this: where do you get the 3/8 inch plate glass? Is this a hardware store item? When I made my homemade light table, I used a piece of the cheap plastic grid that is made for drop-in ceilings -- but that has proved unequal to the task, and now sags in the middle. I'd like to replace it with glass, but it must be sturdy enough to withstand being cut on. Ken Lerner ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Myrddn wrote: > > I had a chance recently to purchase a home made light table that is 4 > foot by eight foot. That is too big for my space, so I plan to cut > the glass down down to a small size and rebuild the table. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 08:17:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAHre-0000dUa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:17 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Craft Conf. in San Francisco Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:17:10 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just wondering if anyone from San Jose will be going to the Glass Craft Conf. in SF - May 2,3,4 ?? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 08:27:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAI1E-0000mTa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:27 PST X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carol Swann Subject: Re: stepping stones & pricing Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:22:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Mar27.02251.0> References: <<199703261649.IAA14990@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Myrddn: Not sure where you are paying for sandblasting. Have you tried some autobody shops, local college shops, and others who use sandblasting. Yes, $10/hour seems a bit much. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 09:30:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAIzs-0000pxa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 09:29 PST X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tiffany book Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:28:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199703271728.JAA08364@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I found I could order it through our local bookstore, but will take 6-8 weeks to get it, can you get it any sooner? Thanks Sherry At 01:46 AM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Sherry - >I can get you a new copy for $40. Let me know if you want it and where to >ship it. Barbara >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 11:15:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAKdY-0001TEa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 11:15 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Mary J Austin Subject: Re: light table Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 11:14:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199703271914.LAA16376@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I have been cutting on the same piece of plate for years....YES it is pocked marked from the cutter dropping off the edge (NOTE: NOT A GOOD PRACTICE) on occasion. I can see no problem with marks effecting what I do. The small light table does fit the Morton surface as well as the plate glass . I do not like the density of the plastic as it does not truly show the colors and if you use the grid side up, small pieces of the glass that are cut to pattern size have a propensity of falling in or tipping up. A obsecure site for plate is a "glass shop" not generally a stained glass shop. Ask for ends or pieces they cannot use but have kept anyway. enjoy.......H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 18:10:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAR6p-0000b9a; Thu, 27 Mar 97 18:09 PST X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light table Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:00:57 Message-ID: <1997Mar28.5057.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk Hullo all! I feel I've been lurking long enough at this point, and would like to add just a little bit to this thread... >-- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >I have been cutting on the same piece of plate for years....YES it is pocked >marked from the cutter dropping off the edge (NOTE: NOT A GOOD PRACTICE) on >occasion. I can see no problem with marks effecting what I do. I have a larger light table in my studio on which I used some clear contact-paper/sandblast resist on 1/2 of my light table to work glass on top of it and left the other 1/2 alone. This works EXTREMELY well, and have also used the idea of the 1/8" acrylic sheeting, (in 12"x12"pieces,) to accomodate my smaller light box. I like the acrylic sheeting best because I'm able to carry the project to another bench or move it and lay out another pattern under another sheet of plexiglass and this enables me to layout & cut all the pieces for 8 lamp panels or lighthouses or multiple projects without stopping until I'm ready to "get back to the grind"..er! ;-D > >A obsecure site for plate is a "glass shop" not generally a stained glass >shop. Ask for ends or pieces they cannot use but have kept anyway. I have found that anyplace that is in the yellow pages for "glass & mirror" such as shower doors/enclosures, store-front windows, storm windows repairs, etc. can supply you with plate glass of different thicknesses. It's always good to know where you can get plate glass locally at reasonable prices if you are at all interested in creating your own custom-bevels too! Plate glass is DEFINITELY cuttable, as I was tickled to find a cut plate glass Christmas tree sculpture on display at the Stained Glass Emporium in Pensacola this last January. Simple but very elegant and impressive. I'd really like to add my own warning to Mike's though regarding the possibility of tempered glass. You'd have more fun trying to hand-cut a heavy-ripple-extra-seedy-dense-yellow-opal-in-severe-inside-curves if it turns out to be tempered glass! >:-( Thank you everyone for such an incredible variety of reparte' and kindness that seems to be sooooo prevalent among the 'Bungians'! I've been enjoying it immensely! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks Ltd. (someplace quite obscure in the) Outer Banks, NC * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 20:31:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wATJI-0001QBa; Thu, 27 Mar 97 20:30 PST X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tiffany book Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:30:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199703280430.UAA04033@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara-I talked to the lady that wants the book, the bookstore quoted her a cheaper price., so she's willing to wait 6-8 weeks. Thanks for your help. Sherry At 01:46 AM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote: >Sherry - >I can get you a new copy for $40. Let me know if you want it and where to >ship it. Barbara >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 27 21:32:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAUGq-0000l4a; Thu, 27 Mar 97 21:32 PST X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: bevels Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:31:47 -0500 Message-ID: <199703280531.AAA11752@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I find that our local bevel maker (Dearborn, Michigan) has retired. I need to replace two pieces from a rather large bevel set and wonder if anyone out there can recommend a beveler, preferably in the SW Michigan area, but any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 02:09:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAYa0-0000w9a; Fri, 28 Mar 97 02:08 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: bevels Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 05:15:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199703281008.FAA02539@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I need to replace two pieces from a rather large bevel set and wonder > if anyone out there can recommend a beveler, preferably in the SW Michigan > area, but any suggestions would be welcome. Have you tried the Sources Guide? The URL's below my signature. Just click on "Bevels & Beveling." Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 06:00:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAcBt-0001NGa; Fri, 28 Mar 97 05:59 PST X-Path: sprintmail.com!wirerat From: Wire Rat To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Zinc Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar28.35832.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Could some one please tell me the proper way to patinize zinc came or any other way to change the color TIA -- Jack Kuhn wirerat@sprintmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 10:30:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAgNR-0001AZa; Fri, 28 Mar 97 10:27 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: leestat7 , Subject: Re: light table Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 27 Mar 97, leestat7 wrote: >...... BTW, can you write how to pronounce your name??? It is a > beautiful name, Celtic?? Your forest retreat sounds neat-what part > of the world is it in?? Hope you have lots of ancient Oak trees > there? > Welsh, thru Celtic origins. A name I have chosen for myself. It is pronounced Mer'than. Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 12:58:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAij3-00018Ma; Fri, 28 Mar 97 12:58 PST X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mailing List Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:58:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar28.10587.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was away in Florida for three weeks and when I returned there were no messages from the stained glass group. Apparently, somehow, I've been deleted from the list. Can you help me to again, become a part of this very interesting group. I'd appreciate any help you can give me in being added to the mailing list again. I don't remember how to do this. Thank you for any help you can give me. An Unhappy Past Lurker to Stained Glass Lavergne Byrne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 13:56:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAjbw-0001Cpa; Fri, 28 Mar 97 13:55 PST X-Path: lagnet.com.mx!espinoza From: Emilio Espinosa To: glass@bungi.com Subject: delphi stained glass email address Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 01:29:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1996Feb6.172951.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk here is the address i received mail from delphi stained glass : delphigl@voyager.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 18:42:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAo5y-00003ba; Fri, 28 Mar 97 18:42 PST X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Delphi e-mail address (Unadvertised Specials 3/28/97) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:34:49 Message-ID: <1997Mar29.53449.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk Someone was asking about Delphi's e-mail address? How about this direct from the horse's mouth, (so to speak!) NCScouter Shoreline Glassworks Ltd. >Delphi Stained Glass has initiated our weekly e-mail bulletin to help keep >you informed about specials and developments in the stained glass >marketplace. Each issue will contain a great selection of exclusive >deals-of-the-week that are available only to Delphi e-mail shoppers. > > * * * * * * * * * > >UNADVERTISED SPECIALS: > >***SAVE 16-57% on the items below. We've listed page numbers by each >product so you can look it up in your 1996/97 catalog for full details. > > Reg. 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Take advantage of our secured order form at: >http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass/orderform.html. Cannot combine sales >prices with quantity discounts or any other discounts or coupons. > > * * * * * * * * * > >If for any reason you no longer wish to receive Delphi's e-mail bulletin, >simply reply with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject of the e-mail. >Please be sure to enter this exactly as described here. >______________________________________________________________________ > > ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net >Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass >2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) >Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) >USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) > 1-517-482-4028 (International) >_____________________________________________________________________ > > > * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 28 19:12:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wAoZG-000058a; Fri, 28 Mar 97 19:12 PST X-Path: ime.net!dplummer From: Tina & David Plummer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gold Electroplate Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 22:07:21 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar29.6721.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd introduce myself to the group. I have been doing glass = for about 7 years as a hobby. I am wondering about how to add a gold electroplate to ornaments. I have= a couple of ornaments that are apparently "dipped" in electroplate. Not = really sure of the process, but would like to know if anyone knows how = it's done. It is not a patina , it will not scratch off from the foil. = Tina Plummer dplummer@ime.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 08:39:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB18q-0000iIa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 08:38 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glastar grinders Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 10:33:12 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970329104139.12775f4a@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone; I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Glastar grinders. I have an allstar, which has a little second story work surface. There is a little pump thing which throws the water up to that level, to cool and clean the grinding head. Mine quit throwing the water up, and I have cleaned it out, and it still isn't working. I was wondering if there are any words of wisdom out there??? Meg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 09:05:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB1Y4-0000fAa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 09:04 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glastar grinders Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:04:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar29.743.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Meg - Have you replaced the sponge lately? Eventually, even with cleaning they get clogged with ground glass. Glastar's phone number is 800 423-5635 or 818 341-0301. fax is 818 998-2078. I'd give them a call if all possibilities are exhausted.. actually even if they are not - on Monday. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 09:54:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB2JE-0000gIa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 09:52 PST X-Path: aol.com!Redware1 From: Redware1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glastar grinders Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:52:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar29.75246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I haven't used my new All-star much, but I did notice that it will not throw the water up to the second level unless it is filled to capacity with water. As the water level went down, so did the water reaching the top level. Hope that helps. Diane Schwob Zubrick Applecreek Pottery Redware1@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 10:35:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB2xB-0000lna; Sat, 29 Mar 97 10:34 PST X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glastar grinders Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:34:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar29.8343.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Meg: We have 2 Inland/Glastar grinders with the "super cooling jet" system installed. You will find out that eventually one of two things happen. Either the impeller will wear down so much that it can't pump the water all the way to the top, or, the impeller will actually wear the inside of the "tube". In either case the pump will not work any more. You can try replacing the impeller first. If that doesn't work, then you can order a new cooling jet system complete. I found that I had to hot-glue the little work surface in place so that it didn't wiggle around. After I did that, the system seemed to last a lot longer. Hope this info helps, Michael V. McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 16:09:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB8Ak-0000gUa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 16:08 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold Electroplate Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 19:03:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar29.14334.0> References: <<1997Mar29.6721.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tina & David Plummer wrote: > > Just thought I'd introduce myself to the group. I have been doing glass = > for about 7 years as a hobby. > I am wondering about how to add a gold electroplate to ornaments. I have= > a couple of ornaments that are apparently "dipped" in electroplate. Not = > really sure of the process, but would like to know if anyone knows how = > it's done. It is not a patina , it will not scratch off from the foil. = > > Tina Plummer > dplummer@ime.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass best left done to a professional. i looked in to electro plating and electro forming, and in order for any metal like gold to stick to solder, you would first have to plate it with Cynanide Copper. which (i think) is very dangerous stuff. so i'd contact an electro plater near you, i think you need to do it in quantity, to make the price reasonable. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 17:03:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB91K-0000nHa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 17:02 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold Electroplate Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 19:59:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar29.145918.0> References: <<1997Mar29.6721.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I would echo Mike Savad on this, I just bought an electroplate kit,which I have not had a chance to try out yet. I am also a Jeweler, and have experience with electroplating,and gold leafing, or I would not try it. The larger electroplating equipment is quite expensive, and unless you have a laboratory setting very dangerous to use. Must use Cyanide. Try to find a commercial plating company in your area to do this. Yes, it does work. Plating can be done in nickel, silver, chrome, gold, etc. You just have to find a commercial outfit that will do it. Volume helps. There is one in Minnesota, I think, that does the work for Stained glass artists, at a pretty reasonable rate. And can reship it to you in your original crates (boxes, whatever) It is more economical to find a local company if there is one in your area. If you wish, I can dig out the info. and address of the Minnesota Co.... Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Tina & David Plummer wrote: > > Just thought I'd introduce myself to the group. I have been doing glass = > for about 7 years as a hobby. > I am wondering about how to add a gold electroplate to ornaments. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 17:35:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB9WB-00003Ka; Sat, 29 Mar 97 17:34 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: American Bevel Design Software Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: <199703300134.RAA05887@mars.ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >To my fellow bungians: >Can any-one give me information on the computer software "Designer" by American Bevel Design? It is advertised on page 6 of issue # 34 of "stained glass news". >I would like feedback as to 'how it works, price, availability, where I can order, etc.' Thank you in advance..........Wayne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 17:38:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wB9Yx-0000jSa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 17:37 PST X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike & Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Electroplating Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:36:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970330013615.0067cd90@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If the Plummers live in the Northwest, Classic Chrome in Shelton, Washington very good at doing stained glass pieces at a reasonable cost. I heard they had a fire but were up and running again. I have been doing glass for about 7 years now and am new to the net. I enjoy all of you "bungians" comments and helpfulness for everyone. Just started my first Tiffany lamp. I'm doing the 16" Peony with the Odessy form. I love it so far. Amy Murphy The Glass Goddess Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 18:15:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBA8d-0000nsa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 18:14 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: American Bevel Design Software Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 21:20:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199703300213.VAA24493@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >Can any-one give me information on the computer software "Designer" by > American Bevel Design? It is advertised on page 6 of issue # 34 of "stained > glass news". > > >I would like feedback as to 'how it works, price, availability, where I can > order, etc.' We did a review of it in the Winter issue of Common Ground: Glass. Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/designer.htm Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 18:32:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBAPf-0000nxa; Sat, 29 Mar 97 18:32 PST X-Path: mailhost.cyberramp.net!byronw From: Byron Wells To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: American Bevel Design Software Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:33:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar29.143325.0> References: <<199703300134.RAA05887@mars.ark.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wayne Munro wrote: > > >To my fellow bungians: > > >Can any-one give me information on the computer software "Designer" by > American Bevel Design? It is advertised on page 6 of issue # 34 of "stained > glass news". > > >I would like feedback as to 'how it works, price, availability, where I can > order, etc.' > > Thank you in advance..........Wayne Wanye,you can download a demo version of thier software by going to thier site at http://www.americanbevel.com I tried it out and also tried out Dragonfly software's Glass Eye... I prefered the Glass Eye and bought it... I'm very happy with the software...American Bevel had way to many "Cant Do's" in thier license aggrement to suit me... For instance if you buy thier software and create a glass pattern with it they wont allow you to use it as advertisement etc to sell your work... Seemed pretty stupid to me... Anyway Glasss Eye has none of those No-Nos in it and its also available in demo version for download at thier site at http://www.dfly.com Hope I was of some help.. Byron ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 19:29:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBBId-0000ora; Sat, 29 Mar 97 19:28 PST X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, W.L.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glastar grinders Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:32:05 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar29.14325.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Craft Nook, Inc. Precedence: bulk I had the same touble with the all-star ...after looking careful at the second story found it was not all the way down in the back , all 4 pegs need to be in the slots.... Hopes this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 22:04:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBDhx-0000v4a; Sat, 29 Mar 97 22:03 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: Wayne Munro To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: American Bevel Design Software Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:54:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar22.125421.0> References: <<199703300213.VAA24493@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > >Can any-one give me information on the computer software "Designer" by > > American Bevel Design? It is advertised on page 6 of issue # 34 of "stained > > glass news". > > > > >I would like feedback as to 'how it works, price, availability, where I can > > order, etc.' > > We did a review of it in the Winter issue of Common Ground: Glass. > Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/designer.htm > > Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >Thanks for the info--I will give it a try. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 29 22:04:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBDhx-0000vra; Sat, 29 Mar 97 22:03 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: Wayne Munro To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: American Bevel Design Software Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:53:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar22.125336.0> References: <<1997Mar29.143325.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Byron Wells wrote: > > Wayne Munro wrote: > > > > >To my fellow bungians: > > > > >Can any-one give me information on the computer software "Designer" by > > American Bevel Design? It is advertised on page 6 of issue # 34 of "stained > > glass news". > > > > >I would like feedback as to 'how it works, price, availability, where I can > > order, etc.' > > > > Thank you in advance..........Wayne > > Wanye,you can download a demo version of thier software by going to > thier site at > http://www.americanbevel.com I tried it out and also tried out > Dragonfly software's Glass Eye... I prefered the Glass Eye and bought > it... I'm very happy with the software...American Bevel had way to many > "Cant Do's" in thier license aggrement to suit me... For instance if you > buy thier software and create a glass pattern with it they wont allow > you to use it as advertisement etc to sell your work... Seemed pretty > stupid to me... Anyway Glasss Eye has none of those No-Nos in it and its > also available in demo version for download at thier site at > http://www.dfly.com > > Hope I was of some help.. > > Byron > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I will give it a try---Thanks for the info. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 05:15:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBKRX-0000eFa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 05:14 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass grinders Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 07:09:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970325062819.191fd0d8@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Thanks for the input.... Yes I had the same problem with the work surface not being clear down, or the water level clear up, at first, but those aren't the problems I am having now. Maybe the rotors are worn down, as someone else suggested.... everything seems clean and in working condition. It seems like there is a design defect if they are worn down so fast... I haven't used it that much, and only got it at Christmas.... maybe I should have cleaned it a lot more often... (beware people who still have one that works!) Will take it up with glastar directly... thanks for their address. Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 07:02:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBM6W-0000iBa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 07:01 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass grinders Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 09:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.45756.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970325062819.191fd0d8@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > Hi All, > Thanks for the input.... Yes I had the same problem with the work > surface not being clear down, or the water level clear up, at first, but > those aren't the problems I am having now. Maybe the rotors are worn down, > as someone else suggested.... everything seems clean and in working > condition. It seems like there is a design defect if they are worn down so > fast... I haven't used it that much, and only got it at Christmas.... maybe > I should have cleaned it a lot more often... (beware people who still have > one that works!) Will take it up with glastar directly... thanks for their > address. Meg > Richard and Meg LaVal > > apdo. 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > tel: 506 645 5052 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the other problem might be that there's too much glass goo in the water tray. i know on my other grinders water does'nt even travel up a small distance if it get's to thick in there. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 07:14:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBMIU-0000mPa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 07:13 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: some glass i got Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 10:10:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.51029.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970325062819.191fd0d8@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk yesterday i went to the Kay Weiner sale (not sure how many other's of you saw the flyer that came with the eastman flyer). but anyway, i got some real good deals on glass and stuff. though i'm having some problem on pricing the glass to see how good a deal i got. these are the glasses: Uroboros - green (3 moss green) (3 med green), mottled, opalescent, fibroid 8"x12" total of 6 sheets of that size. i payed $2. a piece for them (which i do know is a good price) a piece of red slab glass (the dalle de vere kind) 8"x12"x1" a little scratched but that's ok, other than that it's never been broken up. i payed $7.00 for it. Bullseye - opalescent, ring mottled orange with yellow mottles on the back. it's about 20"x30" i payed $15.00. i also got an unknown, now i know glass pretty well, but this one is confusing. i think it's spectrum, it has an irridescent coating on the back, glossy and rainbowy. the texture side has a rather straight though slighty wavey rippled design. the ripples are 1/4" wide and there is a 1/4" gap between ripples. the glass it self is clear, very clear. it's only a small piece i payed around $2.00 for it, i'll probably ask spectrum if they know if it's there's. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 07:46:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBMnT-0000tUa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 07:45 PST X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: glass@bungi.com Subject: lessons Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 09:41:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.34145.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk My wife & I have sold our finished pieces in our florist shop and decided to sell supplys as well.The requests for lessons have increased to several a day, so we cant ignore them and must start giving stained glass lessons.I'd really like some advice on what to include in beginers & intermediate classes.What tools to let them use and what should be included in their starting tool kits. any help would be greatly appreciated. Mike Barr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 09:33:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBOTI-0000vQa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 09:32 PST X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: newsgroup Subject: mosaics Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:28:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar28.232847.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I want to thank all of you who responded to my question on Quick-crete. I am going to try it on a 5' x 18" project that is going to be a background for a raised pond in my backyard. Finish date probably the year 2000. I went to the glass expo in LV and Doug introduced himself which was really nice since I am new to the group. I have found the molded method to be the best for mosaics. I buy old shelf paper with adheasive but add extra 3M spray before I place it on my glass. A also use a 1/8" plywood cover to turn it over so the pieces do not come loose. At a class on glass cutting it was suggested to use an old aquarium on its side to place the grinder in. No water spray or glass chips. Works great and I found an old cracked aquarium in the trash so the price was right. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 12:48:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBRWe-0000gta; Sun, 30 Mar 97 12:48 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lessons Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.104514.0> References: <<1997Mar30.34145.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Barr wrote: > > My wife & I have sold our finished pieces in our florist shop > and decided to sell supplys as well.The requests for lessons have > increased to several a day, so we cant ignore them and must start giving > stained glass lessons.I'd really like some advice on what to include in > beginers & intermediate classes.What tools to let them use and what > should be included in their starting tool kits. > any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Mike Barr > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i guess that would depend what your comfortable with doing. i would let them decide what hey would like to make, it should'nt be anything terribly complicated, some people think they can build anything on their first try. a basic box, or small non-form lamp, a mini panel, are all good starting projects. the tools would be the basic tools, cutters, pliers, grinders, etc. i would'nt let them use a bandsaw, mainly because they should learn how to cut glass. though it could be mentioned, though you'd have to prepare alot of answers of why it's better or worse than normal cutting. you should probably make up a basic list of supplies, your usaul stuff excluding a grinder. these are the supplies that they buy from you, in addition the glass they choose and the payment to learn.a grinder would be optional, but there should be at least 1 or 2 available for the students to learn. make sure you have a bunch of bandaids on hand, and a sink near by. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 13:05:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBRma-0000uwa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 13:04 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lessons Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:05:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970330160459.0068edd4@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:41 AM 3/30/97 -0600, you wrote: >My wife & I have sold our finished pieces in our florist shop >and decided to sell supplys as well.The requests for lessons have >increased to several a day, so we cant ignore them and must start giving >stained glass lessons.I'd really like some advice on what to include in >beginers & intermediate classes.What tools to let them use and what >should be included in their starting tool kits. >any help would be greatly appreciated. I start my students on a semi-easy project of their own choosing. I find that if they choose the design they are much more motivated to finish it. We go through the basic steps of stained glass from start to finish. In the 6 week class some students finish 1 project, some finish 2 and some are really ambitious and finish practically one each week. We don't get into anything more than the basics of stained glass in this beginner class. I do let them choose a box or night light size lamp if they wish, and the whole class gets the benefit of the instruction on how to put these together. In my intermediate class, I have a topic for each class. One night I will demonstrate the strip cutter, one night etching, one night a band saw, one night foil repair, one night 3 dimensional objects, one night decorative soldering. I vary the topics according to the interest of the students in that class. This is the class where I introduce the foiler and the other more-than-basic tools. Although if the interest is there in the basic class, I do not withhold information. The students still work on individual projects at their own pace, and learn additional techniques depending on what each is working on. I find that a lot of effort on my part is needed to keep up with individualized projects, so I keep the classes small, and in my small market area, that seems to work best. However there are different approaches for bigger classes that I think would work well in that situation. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Send your patterns for the Bunginian Pattern Atlas to: Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 or email to joyce@mail.bright.net P.S. My spell checker didn't recognize Bunginian...wanted to change it to Bulgarian! Have to add that one to the data base! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 13:09:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBRqv-0000ffa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 13:09 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Plant Sconces Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:53:02 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.14532.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I am getting ready to make plant sconces in stained glass. I have limited amount of kitchen counter space and thought that having my herbs hang on the wall would give me the herbs and have some nice glass pieces hanging around the kitchen.. I know that this is not the stained glass that I need help with, but I know we have a wide range of fellowcraftmen that might help me.. Does anyone have the ratio for for non organic potting soil.. I found some vermiculite, peat moss and perlite in the basement.. I know longer remember there mixture.. Thanks, Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 13:53:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBSXL-000062a; Sun, 30 Mar 97 13:53 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lessons Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:52:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.165244.0> References: <<1997Mar30.34145.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > ...lessons.I'd really like some advice on what to include in > beginers & intermediate classes.What tools to let them use and what > should be included in their starting tool kits...Mike Barr Hi, Mike. When I took my first lessons, I found it very difficult to understand what I was doing because I didn't know what was coming next. In the very first class, I would have liked to have seen any small simple piece completed from start to finish, just to understand all the steps. As she was explaining about cutting, I didn't know about grinding. As she explained grinding, I didn't know about foiling. etc etc etc. The bottom line was that I didn't understand the ramifications of each step on what was to follow. A quick start to finish demo would have alleviated all that confusion. All the other people in the class felt the same when we discussed it after the lessons were over. Let them use any and all tools that they can afford. One class that I was in had some people who had taken classes elsewhere and had not been allowed to use a grinder. They were sooooo turned off by the difficulty that it was amazing they had sought out other classes. In fact, it was only by the urging of one woman who had done glass before with a grinder that they continued. The purist "no grinders allowed" attitude is fine, but it has no place in a situation with people who want to start with a suncatcher and work up to a lamp....for fun/hobby/relaxation. Give them choices of projects. Our first project was a mandatory panel that to this day I hate. Simple is ok. Boring is not. Keep the classes as small as you possibly can. Definitely offer beginner and intermediate classes. The second set of classes I took in which there were both beginners and intermediates was a waste of time because the teacher spent all her time explaining the basics to the beginners and had little time left over for the non-beginners in the class. If there is a demand for caming, offer it in yet a third class. Don't try to mix foiling and caming. Hummmm. Did I just get verbose? Sorry. You hit a button of mine. Good luck. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 16:20:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBUpe-0000jta; Sun, 30 Mar 97 16:20 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lessons Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.14178.0> References: <<1997Mar30.165244.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > > ...lessons.I'd really like some advice on what to include in > > beginers & intermediate classes.What tools to let them use and what > > should be included in their starting tool kits...Mike Barr > > Hi, Mike. > > When I took my first lessons, I found it very difficult to understand > what I was doing because I didn't know what was coming next. In the very > first class, I would have liked to have seen any small simple piece > completed from start to finish, just to understand all the steps. As she > was explaining about cutting, I didn't know about grinding. As she > explained grinding, I didn't know about foiling. etc etc etc. The bottom > line was that I didn't understand the ramifications of each step on what > was to follow. A quick start to finish demo would have alleviated all > that confusion. All the other people in the class felt the same when we > discussed it after the lessons were over. > > Let them use any and all tools that they can afford. One class that I > was in had some people who had taken classes elsewhere and had not been > allowed to use a grinder. They were sooooo turned off by the difficulty > that it was amazing they had sought out other classes. In fact, it was > only by the urging of one woman who had done glass before with a grinder > that they continued. The purist "no grinders allowed" attitude is fine, > but it has no place in a situation with people who want to start with a > suncatcher and work up to a lamp....for fun/hobby/relaxation. > > Give them choices of projects. Our first project was a mandatory panel > that to this day I hate. Simple is ok. Boring is not. > > Keep the classes as small as you possibly can. Definitely offer beginner > and intermediate classes. The second set of classes I took in which > there were both beginners and intermediates was a waste of time because > the teacher spent all her time explaining the basics to the beginners > and had little time left over for the non-beginners in the class. > > If there is a demand for caming, offer it in yet a third class. Don't > try to mix foiling and caming. > > Hummmm. Did I just get verbose? Sorry. You hit a button of mine. > > Good luck. > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass and to add to that, if it is a small panel, make sure there is'nt alot of curves. some curves yes, all curves no. a grinder should be a necessary step, it should cut down on the amount of cut's someone gets..and with these days as they are, everyone is sue happy. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 17:02:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBVU5-00002ia; Sun, 30 Mar 97 17:02 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lessons and first project Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:07:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199703310101.UAA18463@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We were required to make a 10" circle for our first project of no more than 10 pieces. It was simple, fairly quick to complete and required both curves and straight lines. Having a project which could be finished fairly soon was encouraging to me since I have some trouble delaying gratification ...and so, with sticking it out to the end. :D M.-J. On 30 Mar 97, I found these words from M. Savad in my mailbox: > Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > > > > ...lessons.I'd really like some advice on what to include in > > > beginers & intermediate classes and Mike wrote: > and to add to that, if it is a small panel, make sure there is'nt > alot of curves. some curves yes, all curves no. a grinder should be > a necessary step, it should cut down on the amount of cut's someone > gets..and with these days as they are, everyone is sue happy. > > ---Mike Savad M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 17:33:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBVxm-0000g6a; Sun, 30 Mar 97 17:32 PST X-Path: aol.com!AlisonTrip From: AlisonTrip@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:32:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar30.153238.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, it sounds like it could be spectrum clear waterglass, irridized. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 18:19:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBWgF-0000qwa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 18:18 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:15:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.161532.0> References: <<1997Mar30.153238.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk AlisonTrip@aol.com wrote: > > Mike, it sounds like it could be spectrum clear waterglass, irridized. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i know it was'nt water glass, water glass looks like water, this stuff looks like a close up of a fingerprint. i think it's spectrum's ripple, though i did'nt think it was that 'big'. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 18:49:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBX9s-0000g0a; Sun, 30 Mar 97 18:49 PST X-Path: aol.com!AlisonTrip From: AlisonTrip@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:49:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar30.164911.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, Irridescent Baroque is the only guess I have left, or something with a heavier ripple to it that I think is called "taffeta" although I dont think I've seen it in irridized Wish I could be more help. Maybe someone else out there can help. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 30 19:13:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBXWV-0000pfa; Sun, 30 Mar 97 19:12 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:12:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1997330135118141@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 03/30/97 21:15:32 you wrote: > >AlisonTrip@aol.com wrote: >> >> Mike, it sounds like it could be spectrum clear waterglass, irridized. >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >i know it was'nt water glass, water glass looks like water, this stuff >looks like a close up of a fingerprint. i think it's spectrum's ripple, >though i did'nt think it was that 'big'. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > That sounds like spectrums clear wispy irridized. Just finished a job where we used 6 or so sheets of the stuff and your description as a fingerprint sounds right. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 02:18:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBeAK-0000fga; Mon, 31 Mar 97 02:18 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chartres stained glass visit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:30:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199703311018.LAA08899@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All Bunginians, Sunny and warm Easter Greetings from a little corner in UK! Peggy Johnson has arrived (almost) hot-foot from Las Vegas Glass Show and is gracing my home. Kathe McDonald is "somewhere" in UK and we hope to see her tomorrow. Mary is keenly awaited after her slight "delay". Chartres, here we come!! ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 04:26:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBgAQ-0000qha; Mon, 31 Mar 97 04:26 PST X-Path: ime.net!dplummer From: Tina & David Plummer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Electroplating Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 07:21:09 PST Message-ID: <1997Mar31.15219.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info on the electroplating process, I was hoping it wouldn= 't be as complicated as that, but nice to have the knowledge. I apprecia= te the helpfulness of the group. Tina Plummer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 05:47:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBhPv-00006Da; Mon, 31 Mar 97 05:46 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chartres stained glass visit Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.84612.0> References: <<199703311018.LAA08899@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Hi All Bunginians, > ...Chartres, here we come!! > > ;-) > Elisabeth 'n Toby Through a huge dose of the green eyed monster, I wish you and all the tour group a wonderful, exciting, interesting trip!!!! Does Toby get to go along? Have fun! Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 08:33:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBjxg-0000ola; Mon, 31 Mar 97 08:29 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.62617.0> References: <<1997330135118141@ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79131DE11507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok this is what it basically looks like, it's more or less in scale. (it's difficult to get accurate color of glass from a scanner). but you can sort of see what it looks like. it looks like spectrum irr. but the rippled surface is rather uneven, unless it's some sort of restoration glass...just not sure. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too --------------79131DE11507 Content-Type: image/gif; name="rippl2.GIF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="rippl2.GIF" R0lGODdhugBgAPcAAP///wgICPf39++1taVaWlIpKZxKSt5SUqUpKd4pKTEICFIICHsICM5S Sr0hGO9SQq1za++Ec3tCOYRaUpxCMb1aQr1SOc57Y+d7WnshCPfOvYRza+fGtfele3M5GLVS 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subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 08:34:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBk0A-0000sla; Mon, 31 Mar 97 08:32 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.52343.0> References: <<1997330135118141@ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk izzy3@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > On 03/30/97 21:15:32 you wrote: > > > >AlisonTrip@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Mike, it sounds like it could be spectrum clear waterglass, irridized. > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > >i know it was'nt water glass, water glass looks like water, this stuff > >looks like a close up of a fingerprint. i think it's spectrum's ripple, > >though i did'nt think it was that 'big'. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > > >New Pages Added: > > > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > > - The Creative Process > > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > > > - Plus New Photos > > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > > > - But That's Not All!!! > > - My Links Page is UP! > > - And Awards Page Too > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > That sounds like spectrums clear wispy irridized. Just finished a job where we used 6 or so sheets of the stuff and your description as a fingerprint sounds right. > > ms > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass what i might do is to simply scan a piece of it in, make it as small as possible and u/l it to the group... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 08:34:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBk0H-0001Hka; Mon, 31 Mar 97 08:32 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chartres stained glass visit Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:55:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.45513.0> References: <<199703311018.LAA08899@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All you lucky Bunginians, Have a great time, get lots of pictures (maybe scan them and post to bungi.com for all of us) and somebody write about the adventures. We can all share, even thou not all got to go. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Toby wrote: > > Hi All Bunginians, > Sunny and warm Easter Greetings from a little corner in UK! > Peggy Johnson has arrived (almost) hot-foot from Las Vegas Glass Show > and is gracing my home. Kathe McDonald is "somewhere" in UK and we > hope to see her tomorrow. > Mary is keenly awaited after her slight "delay". > Chartres, here we come!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 09:57:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBlJW-0000uqa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 09:56 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:51:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.15131.0> References: <<1997Mar31.62617.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------79131DE11507 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ok this is what it basically looks like, it's more or less in scale. > (it's difficult to get accurate color of glass from a scanner). but you > can sort of see what it looks like. it looks like spectrum irr. but the > rippled surface is rather uneven, unless it's some sort of restoration > glass...just not sure. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too > > 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Please try again. I wonder if anyone else had this problem? Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 11:30:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBmly-0000jFa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 11:29 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.9265.0> References: <<1997Mar31.62617.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. Lee Boe M. Savad wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 11:57:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBnBL-0000nua; Mon, 31 Mar 97 11:55 PST X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:50:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.95058.0> References: <<1997Mar31.15131.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes I had the same problem RThaxton@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > Mike, > all I recieved was a bunch of numbers/letters the picture did not > come through. Please try again. I wonder if anyone else had this > problem? > Melissa > ---- > > M. 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mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:02:59 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You don't even have to convert it; just attach it will work fine. =Gary >Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example >below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a >seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should >come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > >Lee Boe >M. Savad wrote: >> >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp >> yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx >> jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 >> llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ >> Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 12:08:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBnMw-0000gra; Mon, 31 Mar 97 12:07 PST X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 13:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Mar31.95058.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Yes I had the same problem PLEASE do not post large binaries in this group. it also doesn't make much sense to repost the entire thing stating that you also had problems. i don't need to see or pay for delivery of multiple versions of a 25kb post all with the same 'me too' comments. please post a URL to the binary instead. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 12:37:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBnpO-00000la; Mon, 31 Mar 97 12:37 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 21:58:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Mar28.215830.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This was returned to me today >To: ElsieTurqman@worldnet.att.net >From: Mail Administrator >Reply-To: Mail Administrator >Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 21:06:17 +0000 > >This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > >Your message was not delivered because the destination computer was >not reachable within the allowed queue period. The amount of time >a message is queued before it is returned depends on local configura- >tion parameters. > >Most likely there is a network problem that prevented delivery, but >it is also possible that the computer is turned off, or does not >have a mail system running right now. > >Your message was not delivered within 4 days. >Host bungi.com is not responding. > >The following recipients did not receive your message: > > > >Please reply to Postmaster@mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net >if you feel this message to be in error. >Received: from LOCALNAME ([207.116.56.175]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net > (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA10859 > for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:49:40 +0000 >X-Sender: ElsieTurqman@postoffice.worldnet.att.net >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 >To: gjr@bungi.com >From: Elsie Turqman >Subject: No Mail >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 11:49:40 +0000 >Message-ID: <19970324114939.AAA10859@LOCALNAME> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: Text/Plain; > charset="us-ascii" > >Glenna > > What happened to the list. I haven't had any mail in more than a week > >Elsie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 13:03:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBoET-0000eqa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 13:03 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE: Mike, all I recieved was a bunch of numbers/letters the picture did not come through. Please try again. I wonder if anyone else had this problem? Melissa Melissa, I came in on the tail end of this discussion about the glass you were having problem matching. Could you start over be describing where it is used and its thickness and detail. I would like to help if I can. -Michael Delaware ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 13:09:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBoJW-0000qXa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 13:08 PST X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: newsgroup Subject: archives Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:38:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar30.11381.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have had trouble sending my e-mail. Some times it takes 3 days of trying. I also haven't been able to access the archives. Are there certain hours when they can be accessed or am I doing something wrong? Anyone working on glass in So. Calif? Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 14:30:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBpZX-0000fqa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 14:29 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:25:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.122550.0> References: <<1997Mar31.9265.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > > Lee Boe > M. Savad wrote: > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > > yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > > jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > > llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > > Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well i could try it again, this time as a jpg, i guess the only good thing here was, it was'nt terribly huge....:) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 14:31:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBpaq-0000gDa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 14:30 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:27:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.122721.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary Shultz wrote: > > You don't even have to convert it; just attach it will work fine. > =Gary > > >Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > >below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > >seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > >come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > > > >Lee Boe > >M. Savad wrote: > >> > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >> HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > >> yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > >> jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > >> llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > >> Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > >> > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ > ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ > ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah that's what i thought too. i guess it just got stripped when it got re-mailed. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 15:12:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBqEl-00000ma; Mon, 31 Mar 97 15:11 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: Wayne Munro To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:13:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.71322.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Artistic Glass of Atlanta wrote: > > RE: Mike, > all I recieved was a bunch of numbers/letters the picture did not > come through. Please try again. I wonder if anyone else had this > problem? > Melissa > > Melissa, > > I came in on the tail end of this discussion about the glass you > were having problem matching. Could you start over be describing where it > is used and its thickness and detail. I would like to help if I can. > > -Michael Delaware > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Yes--That is all I got too; Do we have to reload the file or what is the directions to view the picture you sent of the glass sample? I had the same thing happen on an E-Mail from the makers of 'Zip Drive" and it all looked like outer-space talk to me! Any info for decifering the photo with directions would be appreciated......Wayne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 15:20:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBqMQ-0000fya; Mon, 31 Mar 97 15:19 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:22:31 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.172231.0> References: <<1997Mar31.52343.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: Mike, If both sides are iridized it might be Kokomo. Wismach, Armstrong and Uroborous also have iridized ripple, but I believe only Kokomo has both sides irridized. > > izzy3@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > On 03/30/97 21:15:32 you wrote: > > > > > >AlisonTrip@aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >> Mike, it sounds like it could be spectrum clear waterglass, irridized. > > >> ---- > > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > >i know it was'nt water glass, water glass looks like water, this stuff > > >looks like a close up of a fingerprint. i think it's spectrum's ripple, > > >though i did'nt think it was that 'big'. > > > > > >---Mike Savad > > > > > >-- > > >Mike's Stained Glass > > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > > > > >New Pages Added: > > > > > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > > > - The Creative Process > > > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > > > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > > > > > - Plus New Photos > > > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > > > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > > > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > > > > > - But That's Not All!!! > > > - My Links Page is UP! > > > - And Awards Page Too > > >---- > > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > > > That sounds like spectrums clear wispy irridized. Just finished a job where we used 6 or so sheets of the stuff and your description as a fingerprint sounds right. > > > > ms > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > what i might do is to simply scan a piece of it in, make it as small as > possible and u/l it to the group... > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 15:29:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBqUN-0000jza; Mon, 31 Mar 97 15:27 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:30:27 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.173027.0> References: <<1997Mar31.62617.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------79131DE11507 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ok this is what it basically looks like, it's more or less in scale. > (it's difficult to get accurate color of glass from a scanner). but you > can sort of see what it looks like. it looks like spectrum irr. but the > rippled surface is rather uneven, unless it's some sort of restoration > glass...just not sure. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too > > 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Is the glass a rippple or just iridiized. Leave me know. Living in the country, I researched a lot of glass, especially for dragons and fairies. I like iridized ripple for wings. was disappointed when front and back iridized was not available from my retailer in green and Christmas red. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 15:30:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBqW6-000067a; Mon, 31 Mar 97 15:29 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:33:04 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.17334.0> References: <<1997Mar31.9265.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > > Lee Boe > M. Savad wrote: Thanks, I thought I was the problem.. Would like to see the sample. Glo. > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > > yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > > jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > > llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > > Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 15:38:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBqda-0000fMa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 15:37 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: mosaic stepping stones Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:32:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970331174047.155f118e@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All; I was thinking of trying my hand at a stepping stone, but since there are no mollds available here, I will have to make my own wood one. What I was wondering is how deep they should be. Funnily enough the books I have mostly don't specify.... one said more than 4". Thanks, Meg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 15:40:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBqfZ-0000iXa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 15:39 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: gold leafing Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:42:37 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.174237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have had e mail problems to the extend that I did not want to reply. My e mail is correct now ( I hope). I was very happy to hear about the stepping stones that were sprayed with bumper paint. However, did anyone try with gold leafing yet.. I am excited to try it with the new butterfly stepping stone molds that are available. I remember someone stating that old glass mosaics done in gold leaf was fabulous.. Any reply would be appreciated. Thanks Gloria PS. I bought chrome (silver) bumper paint. Sprayed it on some cathedral samples. Was pleased with the rougher side of barogue and glue chip. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 16:12:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0wBpaq-0000gDa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 14:30 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:27:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.122721.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary Shultz wrote: > > You don't even have to convert it; just attach it will work fine. > =Gary > > >Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > >below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > >seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > >come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > > > >Lee Boe > >M. Savad wrote: > >> > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >> HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > >> yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > >> jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > >> llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > >> Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > >> > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ > ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ > ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah that's what i thought too. i guess it just got stripped when it got re-mailed. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 16:24:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0wBpcq-0000jWa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 14:32 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: archives Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.122917.0> References: <<1997Mar30.11381.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carolyn Duncan wrote: > > I have had trouble sending my e-mail. Some times it takes 3 days of > trying. I also haven't been able to access the archives. Are there > certain hours when they can be accessed or am I doing something wrong? > Anyone working on glass in So. Calif? Carolyn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it might just be you server. i'd try complaining to them first... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 16:32:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0wBpZX-0000fqa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 14:29 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:25:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.122550.0> References: <<1997Mar31.9265.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > > Lee Boe > M. Savad wrote: > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > > yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > > jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > > llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > > Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well i could try it again, this time as a jpg, i guess the only good thing here was, it was'nt terribly huge....:) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 16:38:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBrZB-0000wea; Mon, 31 Mar 97 16:36 PST X-Path: gunnison.com!debbi From: Debi Overton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:35:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.103524.0> References: <<1997Mar31.15131.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Mike, > all I recieved was a bunch of numbers/letters the picture did not > come through. Please try again. I wonder if anyone else had this > problem? > Melissa > ---- That's what I got, too. -Debi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 17:51:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBsi9-0000sqa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 17:50 PST X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chartres stained glass visit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:02:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199704010149.CAA28347@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All Bunginians, Lee Boe; what a good idea of yours to scan & post photos/slides from our visit in Chartres for you ALL to have a look at in the Group. Now why didn't I MYSELF think of that...? Both Kathe and Peggy soundly tucked up in bed (hopefully fast asleep by now, aided by some quantity of wine....). Only Toby and I keeping vigil. Peggy and I spent the day (sunny and warm) visiting the Roman town of St.Albans and inspecting the stained glass in the Cathedral of St.Albans (named after the first British Christian martyr- a Roman soldier, called Alban - who lived and was murdered here year 43 AD). As Peggy pointed out to me, roughly the same time as St.Paul was active in Palestine. I hadn't made that "time connection" before.... The Bishop of St.Albans is now the current Arch Bishop of Canterbury. The Cathedral of St.Albans has a new Rose Window which was unveiled in 1989 by the Princess of Wales (yep! THE Diana!). Kathe arrived just in time for supper ( GOOD timing!!). Both of them were able to sample the preserved blackberrries I picked last autumn and bottled in cinnamon, cloves and a modest (?) quantity of kirsch.... Main course: Elisabeth's "kitchen sink" casserole; Peggy did the washing up; Kathe did the drying, Elisabeth the clearing & Toby supervised....) Toby is "sunning himself" in all the extra attention. Tomorrow evening (Tuesday) when Mary (maruca@netaxc) arrives, I will have printed out all the Good Luck messages from you ALL and show them; we will probably drown another few bottles and raise a very large toast to you ALL "Across The Pond". Wish you were here..... Tomorrow's programme will include a visit to my local village Parish Church where we are proud to boast of an original William Morris stained glass panel. (The Vicar is coming with us to France...) Me? I'm just having a ball! I am just enjoying looking after my "Bunginians"!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby Early night to bed; the coach for France will collect us from my door-step (by special arrangement!) at 6.30 am on Wednesday morning. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 17:57:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBsoh-0000lqa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 17:56 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:37:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.153759.0> References: <<1997Mar31.122550.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1BC526BB7690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, .jpg images are not very large, and if sent as a separte file with the attachment button (assuming you are useing Netscape 3.0 and netscape mail) it will come thru very fast. The file can be saved to disk to manipulate it too. I just got 40 .jpg pictures of spectrum glass colors,by e-mail, and it took about 1/2 second to come thru on my system. Also attaching sample of doing this to this e-mail, so you can see what it looks like. I am going to save each of the 40 glass picture to 'glass subdirectory' so I can use them in "Designer" I will post an example to bungi.com in a day or so, of a simple design, with glass colors in the image. More about that later. We will all try to identify the glass for you , just send it again as a .jpg separate file attached. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations M. Savad wrote: > > leestat7 wrote: > > > > Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > > below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > > seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > > come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > > > > Lee Boe > well i could try it again, this time as a jpg, i guess the only good > thing here was, it was'nt terribly huge....:) > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------1BC526BB7690 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="152w.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 18:59:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBtmz-00000Oa; Mon, 31 Mar 97 18:59 PST X-Path: limestone.kosone.com!dagenais From: Rod Dagenais To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: restoration Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:59:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.165921.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Mystic Glass Precedence: bulk Hi, My name is Rod I've been doing Stain Glass for approx 2 Yrs "hobby of course" and quietly watching this site and learned a lots from all of you. Here is my question I recentely purchase an old lead panel "window" 2'X3' at a flee market, and would like to restore it! Any word of advice would be extremely welcome, such as "how to removed old cement" etc etc etc -- Rodrigue Dagenais Napanee, Ontario ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 19:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBufs-0000tia; Mon, 31 Mar 97 19:55 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got---opppppssssssss Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:52:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.175214.0> References: <<1997Mar31.153759.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Oppps- The copy I sent myself, came thru perfectly, but that, that was re-sent thru bungi.com came out a bunce of letters & numbers again... Glenna?????any idea why? My only suggestion at this point, I will re-sent this original to you privately mike-let me know if you see a beautiful red ripple sheet, or a bunch of letters & numbers??? Then send your scan directly to all who have commented they will help identify it. Until we figure out why the image is being corrupted thru the bungi.com network. GLEENA-HELP!!! Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations. leestat7 wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------1BC526BB7690 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Mike, > .jpg images are not very large, and if sent as a separte file with the > attachment button (assuming you are useing Netscape 3.0 and netscape > mail) it will come thru very fast. The file can be saved to disk to > manipulate it too. I just got 40 .jpg pictures of spectrum glass > colors,by e-mail, and it took about 1/2 second to come thru on my > system. Also attaching sample of doing this to this e-mail, so you can > see what it looks like. I am going to save each of the 40 glass picture > to 'glass subdirectory' so I can use them in "Designer" I will post an > example to bungi.com in a day or so, of a simple design, with glass > colors in the image. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 22:23:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBwvw-00012Ya; Mon, 31 Mar 97 22:20 PST X-Path: netbiz.net!boogs From: OO-Zero To: glass@bungi.com Subject: abstract Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 05:01:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Feb22.0157.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk hello, I am new to the stain glass scene and would like to know if anyone knows of any good sources for abstract and unique stain glass projects. thanks in advance! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 22:30:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBx3d-000100a; Mon, 31 Mar 97 22:28 PST X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: bevels Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 01:28:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199704010628.BAA15665@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My server and my skills are not too great with URLs. The only thing I could find was American Bevels - am looking for something on a smaller scale. I think we may have latched on to someone in Port Huron, Mi. Thanks for your effort. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org > > >> I need to replace two pieces from a rather large bevel set and wonder >> if anyone out there can recommend a beveler, preferably in the SW Michigan >> area, but any suggestions would be welcome. > >Have you tried the Sources Guide? The URL's below my signature. Just >click on "Bevels & Beveling." > >Albert > >Albert Lewis, Executive Director >International Guild of Glass Artists >A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization >Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 >_________________________________________________________ >http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] >http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 22:57:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBxTc-00006Ia; Mon, 31 Mar 97 22:55 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaic stepping stones Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:55:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Mar31.19553.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Meg - There are plenty of molds available. They're about 2.5 to 3" deep. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 31 22:57:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wBxTf-0000l2a; Mon, 31 Mar 97 22:55 PST X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaic stepping stones Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:02:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Mar31.14236.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970331174047.155f118e@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > Hi All; > I was thinking of trying my hand at a stepping stone, but since > there are no mollds available here, I will have to make my own wood one. > What I was wondering is how deep they should be. Funnily enough the books I > have mostly don't specify.... one said more than 4". Thanks, Meg > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass You will find that 2" to 2 1/2" is plenty. Any thicker and it would become very heavy. Good luck. Making mosaics is fun and you can adapt any pattern to the size you need. If you make your mold out of wood you can use a hinge to release the sides. Also there is a release coating that cement contractors use on their frames so the cement will not stick. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass