From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 02:43:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uluH5-0000ZVa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 02:42 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 05:45:04 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In any >case silicone properly used is much better for securing glass to glass >than most epoxies available for consumer use. The other posibility is >that Sue did not let the silicone cure long enough. We must be pacient >when working in the arts. I let the stuff cure for 24 hours with a full bottle of patina on it for weight. I didn't realize you have to wait longer than that. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 08:50:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulzyu-0000Zxa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 08:48 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 11:46:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug1.7464.0> References: <<199608010047.RAA25794@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael Smoucha wrote: > > You wrote: > > > > > >try this: solder the wires on the top of the guitar (top of the neck). > >then make a thick wire bridge (brazing wire or something like that), > >solder the thin wires on the bridge piece first, maybe even wrapping > the > >this wire around the bridge first for more strength. make sure that > you > >have the "strings at the right length". when soldered carefully pull > it > >semi taught, then glue it. i would'nt use silicone, (one pluck even > for > >fun may make the wire pop off), i would use a 5 minute epoxy, (you'll > >have to hold in place some how until the glue sets up enough to hold > the > >strings tight enough. > > > >---Mike Savad > >---- > > If you read the specs on five minuet epoxy and silicone (100%) you will > find that Sue did indeed use the proper product. It is very posible > that she did not properly clean one or both pieces of glass. In any > case silicone properly used is much better for securing glass to glass > than most epoxies available for consumer use. The other posibility is > that Sue did not let the silicone cure long enough. We must be pacient > when working in the arts. > > ms > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's a few reasons why i would'nt use silicone. 1. it does'nt dry very clear. 2. if heat is used silicone does'nt have a chance, epoxy does'nt really either, but it is a little tougher. 3. from what i know about curious people, if the strings are lifted, someone might want to "pluck" the strings, in which case silicone does'nt have alot of tensile strenght. where as epoxy should. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 09:57:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um13C-0000FBa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 09:56 PDT X-Path: aol.com!RTMEMT From: RTMEMT@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:58:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug1.8583.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Regarding silicone on glass: I used to make 50 gallon fish tanks using only silicone to seal edges of glass to other edges of glass and when filled with 50 gallons of water...permanently sealed! If applied properly...and after soldering is done, as someone else suggested....I don't think a harmless pluck shouldbreak the seal...silicone does possess elasticity. Good luck! Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 10:10:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um1GI-0000eOa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:10 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 13:08:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug1.982.0> References: <<1996Aug1.8583.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RTMEMT@aol.com wrote: > > Regarding silicone on glass: I used to make 50 gallon fish tanks using only > silicone to seal edges of glass to other edges of glass and when filled with > 50 gallons of water...permanently sealed! If applied properly...and after > soldering is done, as someone else suggested....I don't think a harmless > pluck shouldbreak the seal...silicone does possess elasticity. Good luck! > > Rita > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass silicone is designed to hold in water. but if you were to glue something small down, it would tend to twist, and then pull off. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 10:37:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um1g2-0000lBa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 10:36 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ring Saw Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:43:38 -0400 Message-ID: <199608011743.NAA06310@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >While your cutter should be able to do 95% of the cutting that you do, > intricate patterns and deep inside curves are made much less >frustrating. Obviously, the cost of the ring saw must be justified >(I need it, I want it , I deserve it). The Taurus I is a great saw >and I am very glad to have it. I only use it for wild curves because >the cutter and the grinder is still faster and very efficient for >most patterns. If you decide to buy a saw of any sort, it certainly >relieves stress especially with expensive glass. >Bob Thank You Bob, the Taurus II is just coming on the market and may be just what I need. Does anyone else have experience with ring saws?? Lee Boe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 13:07:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um41L-0000Zxa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:06 PDT X-Path: aol.com!RTMEMT From: RTMEMT@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug1.12922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike I think you missed my point. Even if no water was put into the tank, the strength of the glass to glass bond would still withstand incredible force. The fact that water is a liquid has nothing to do with silicone's tensile strength, except to illustrate that the *weight* of the water exerts quite a few pounds per square inch of force on the bonded joint. I could challenge you to pull apart one of these joints manually, if I still had any tanks on hand. Maybe you can check a local pet store...I think they still sell tanks of this construction. You are right about silicone being waterproof, tho. Anyway, I think clear silicone is a perfect solution, lacking a kiln, for the guitar problem.:-) Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 13:37:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um4UF-0000Kta; Thu, 1 Aug 96 13:36 PDT X-Path: aol.com!RTMEMT From: RTMEMT@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:38:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug1.123834.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue, Everyone, forgive one more post on silicone issue. It just occurred to me you said: >I let the stuff cure for 24 hours with a full bottle of patina on it for >weight. I didn't realize you have to wait longer than that. My experience with silicone suggests that your weighting it down could be the problem. Could you have actually squished all of the silicone out between the two pieces of glass, so you had a primarily glass to glass contact instead of a glass to silicone to glass contact? I'd recommend cleaning glass very very well. Not knowing how big your "bridge" is, you could either apply 100% contact or simply a bead around the perimeter, about one eighth to one forth inch thick. Be certain the silicone contacts both pieces of glass, but don't weight it. This needs to be a sandwich. In the fish tank example , the edge of one glass butts the side of the other and the silicone inbetween is about one fourth inch thick. I think 24 hours is the recommended curing time, but read the label...and buy the expensive stuff....it does bond better. Once dried, you can slice off extraneous silicone with a blade and pull it right off for a nice finish. Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 16:44:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um7P8-0000hra; Thu, 1 Aug 96 16:43 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 19:41:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug1.154134.0> References: <<1996Aug1.12922.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RTMEMT@aol.com wrote: > > Mike > > I think you missed my point. Even if no water was put into the tank, the > strength of the glass to glass bond would still withstand incredible force. > The fact that water is a liquid has nothing to do with silicone's tensile > strength, except to illustrate that the *weight* of the water exerts quite a > few pounds per square inch of force on the bonded joint. I could challenge > you to pull apart one of these joints manually, if I still had any tanks on > hand. Maybe you can check a local pet store...I think they still sell tanks > of this construction. You are right about silicone being waterproof, tho. > Anyway, I think clear silicone is a perfect solution, lacking a kiln, for > the guitar problem.:-) > > Rita > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass but your half right, silicone is strong, but only when there is a bunch working together. if you use a dab or a drop, the strenth weakens dramaticaly. mainly silicone is too flexible, for this particular situation. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 1 18:11:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0um8ld-0000fPa; Thu, 1 Aug 96 18:11 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:13:35 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My thanks for all the suggestions. I will have time to finish the project this weekend and let you know what worked. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 2 04:25:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umIGJ-0000bAa; Fri, 2 Aug 96 04:19 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux tip over Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:19:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Aug2.111915.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >and use a little cup or saucer to put a small amount of flux in, that >avoids the usual "knock-over" of the flux bottle. To avoid the tip over problem with flux and/or lubricant for my glass cutter. Cut a small 1/2" by 2" by 3" and nail an empty plastic container from one serving of Crystal Light or Motts apple sauce to it. Then insert another emply container into the first one. When the insert is dirty recycle it and use another one. I haven't had any problems with tipping since I started using up my throwaways. Hope this helps. Elsie In and out of Stained Glass for 25 years. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 2 10:43:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umOBC-0000Kka; Fri, 2 Aug 96 10:38 PDT X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: beermug@snowcrest.net (Paul Deutsch) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: flux tip over Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <199608021738.KAA15670@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To avoid spilling the flux, I use a 6" square of the plastic grid, similar to Morton without the solid bottom. Just break out the grid dividers needed to fit your bottle. I keep the bottle top in a slot next to it so I never lose the top. Also, I use a baby food jar to keep the flux in, there's always a supply of those around. I get the grid at the hardware store. Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 2 11:14:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umOgX-0000Maa; Fri, 2 Aug 96 11:10 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux tip over Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug2.4746.0> References: <<1996Aug2.111915.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elsie: Cut a small what for nailing an empty plastic container? Thx. PJ. On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Elsie Turqman wrote: > > >and use a little cup or saucer to put a small amount of flux in, that > >avoids the usual "knock-over" of the flux bottle. > > To avoid the tip over problem with flux and/or lubricant for my glass cutter. > > Cut a small 1/2" by 2" by 3" and nail an empty plastic container from one > serving of Crystal Light or Motts apple sauce to it. Then insert another > emply container into the first one. When the insert is dirty recycle it and > use another one. I haven't had any problems with tipping since I started > using up my throwaways. > > Hope this helps. > > Elsie > > In and out of Stained Glass for 25 years. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 2 13:00:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umQOM-0000Uqa; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:00 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 13:09:44 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960802190944.0068f04c@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear glass bungi.. I am going to have to temporarily unsubscribe due to receiving harassing and threatening e-mail from a disgruntled boyfriend. I will probably change my e-mail name and then re-subscribe. Will see you all soon. Lorley in Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 2 19:52:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umWof-0000Osa; Fri, 2 Aug 96 19:51 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: McFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: WTB: Thick White glass Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 22:54:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug2.155438.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk I need a 30" square or larger piece of White opaque glass about 9/32 of an inch thick. This was commonly used in buildings for walls at one time. I heard it called carrera once, too. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 04:39:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umf2P-0000Cpa; Sat, 3 Aug 96 04:38 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux tip over Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 07:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use one of those dinky Rubbermaid containers (the size that holds about 3-4 oz of liquid). I put a piece of a sponge in the bottom and pour the flux over it. Even if the little container gets knocked over, nothing spills cause the flux is in the sponge. I change the sponge when it gets gross and wipe out the container as necessary. Before I started using this method, I had a tendency to overflux everything and this controls the amount of flux I use very nicely. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 08:21:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umiVY-0000lda; Sat, 3 Aug 96 08:20 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux tip over Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 11:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug3.71842.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i use a tooth brush holder (mine happens to have an area to put a bottle of flux). i just fill up the bottle about an inch, so i don't contaminate the full bottle. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 09:00:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umj6q-0000cVa; Sat, 3 Aug 96 08:59 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:59:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199608031559.IAA03842@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >but your half right, silicone is strong, but only when there is a bunch >working together. if you use a dab or a drop, the strenth weakens >dramaticaly. mainly silicone is too flexible, for this particular >situation. > >This is the point. A dap or drop in whatever adhesive you decide to use on a project is not the proper application. I believe that Rita's directions for adhesion of the bridge plate was acurate, using either solution. As far as flexibility is concerned this is it's major advantage, not it's weakness. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 09:08:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umjFA-0000Uja; Sat, 3 Aug 96 09:08 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: help wanted Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:07:50 -0700 Message-ID: <199608031607.JAA04811@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all , I work with an eclesiastic art company who could use some help. We are located in the Chicago area and could use someone who has some experience with cutting glass to paterns. This does not have to be a full time position, but can be a way to pick up some work in "spare time" It is an opportunity to work on some large projects going into churches around the country. If you are interested you can either reply to me @ Izzy3@ix.netcom.com or Botti@ix.netcom.com ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 10:05:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umk7p-0000TJa; Sat, 3 Aug 96 10:04 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!kmccullo From: direct.ca!kmccullo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Sat Aug 3 10:04:26 1996 Message-ID: <96Aug3.095503-0700pdt.29485-15613+412@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hi guy's haven't been here for a while. (checking the mail) It has slowed down a bit I guess we're all trying to enjoy the weather while it lasts. To respond to whom ever wants to know how old we are: Personally, I'm old enough to know better & young enough to do it again. When you get to be "my" age, age is a state of mind. If you think old, you are. karin How old all of us are in total? Older than the rose windows in Notre >Dame? > >-- >Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 >UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 >HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 15:40:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umpMn-0000Vaa; Sat, 3 Aug 96 15:40 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: help wanted Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 18:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199608031607.JAA04811@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Michael Smoucha wrote: > > Hi all , > > I work with an eclesiastic art company who could use some help. We are > located in the Chicago area and could use someone who has some > experience with cutting glass to paterns. Hi Micheal, This I could handle very well, and can use the extra work in the off season here. Also can start immediatly. Lee Boe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 3 18:18:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umrpS-0000FKa; Sat, 3 Aug 96 18:18 PDT X-Path: p3.net!kre8tiv1 From: kre8tiv1@p3.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 21:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug3.141729.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! I was wondering if anyone knew of a source to download stained glass patterns from the internet. I am specifically looking for simple panels, lamps, even sun catchers. Also, in response to the glue question... I use Super Glue Gel. Seems to work just fine for me. Lin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 01:55:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0umyxx-0000Uta; Sun, 4 Aug 96 01:55 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 04:53:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug4.05329.0> References: <<1996Aug3.141729.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk kre8tiv1@p3.net wrote: > > Hi all! > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a source to download stained glass > patterns from the internet. > > I am specifically looking for simple panels, lamps, even sun catchers. > > Also, in response to the glue question... > > I use Super Glue Gel. Seems to work just fine for me. > > Lin I too have tried Super Glue.....and it works for a while...but lets go shortly afterward....so I do not recommend it for projects that are gifts or are to be sold. They just do not stay. As for the designs....there are so many good books out there, visit your local stained glass retailer. That way you don't violate any copyright laws, and also support the designers who should be paid for their designs. If you are really cheap...start designing your own! Those are free too! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 03:58:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0un0rg-0000Zra; Sun, 4 Aug 96 03:56 PDT X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 05:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug4.11851.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk subcribe glass hilary@voicenet.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 09:49:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0un6Mq-0000M3a; Sun, 4 Aug 96 09:49 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 12:48:15 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1996Aug3.141729.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Hi Lin, Try this site for patterns, there are also several links to other sites where patterns are freely offered to artisans- http://www.artglassworld.com/ Plus bungi.com has some patterns in the archives . Since these are offered for downloading on the internet, copyright questions should not be a problem, if used for personal use, gifts etc. Your local stained glass supplier will have a lot of pattern books, and several of the Suppliers of Glass and tools listed on the internet have catalogs they are happy to send you. Art Glass World, Delphi, and Glass Crafters here in Sarasota are just a few of the ones listed. And most can be requested directly from their home pages. Hope this helps, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 11:37:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0un82p-0000Kca; Sun, 4 Aug 96 11:36 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:39:28 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I am specifically looking for simple panels, lamps, even sun catchers. This same question came up on the list back in March or April. At that time, Greg Hackney (don't know if he is still on the list) was preparing disks for sale that included patterns for simple lamps and sun catchers. I eagerly ordered 3. Do not order any of the disks from Hackney Designs. After several rather curt emails to him about 8 weeks after I sent my check, I did receive 2 of the disks but I still have not received my full order of 3 disks...the last I knew the man claimed he was too busy filling large orders to bother with mine. Incidentally, the two disks that I did receive are basically copies of designs already published in pattern books. Infact, I had already made several suncatchers of the exact same patterns. If he doesn't own the copyrights to them, he could be in deep sh**. I got stuck...don't want to see it happen to anyone else. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 14:41:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unAuw-0000lRa; Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:40 PDT X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: beermug@snowcrest.net (Paul Deutsch) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:40:51 -0700 Message-ID: <199608042140.OAA20986@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Do not order any of the disks from Hackney Designs. After several rather >curt emails to him about 8 weeks after I sent my check, I did receive 2 of >the disks but I still have not received my full order of 3 disks...the last >I knew the man claimed he was too busy filling large orders to bother with >mine. Incidentally, the two disks that I did receive are basically copies >of designs already published in pattern books. Infact, I had already made >several suncatchers of the exact same patterns. If he doesn't own the >copyrights to them, he could be in deep sh**. I got stuck...don't want to see it happen to anyone else. > I whole-heartedly agree. I too ordered 3 disks, received only two, and it took 3 months to get the third one, even then it took several e-mails to accomplish that! I was very disappointed in the pattern contents, I also already have the majority of those patterns he is selling. I don't know the legality of his situation, but I'm sure someone is looking into it by now. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that was unhappy with the product. Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 17:41:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unDj7-0000T0a; Sun, 4 Aug 96 17:40 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:22:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199608050049.BAA24213@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just don't care who has a "winge", but I quite enjoyed the whole nonsense exchange on this subject. over these last weeks. It has helped ME to get to know those of you - with a sense of humour - better; helped me to tune in on a level appropriate to you. My private E-mail has been proof enough to that. "age is mind over matter - if you don't mind, then it doesn't matter" Says I.... And that's my story. I'm sticking to it....... Am planning next Easter 97 a tour (from the UK) to visit, study, "oogle" the stained glass "Mecca" of the world - CHARTRES. Have lined up with a couple of Colleges here who will lay on the coaches and the general organization of the project; my local Parish Vicar is very keen to "give it a go" and publish it in all the regional Church publications (Anglican - of course!!) Might any of YOU guys - across the Pond - be interested to join up with me/us in France next Easter 97??? I would - by then - have a hell-of-a-lot to fill you in with, promise to get you blind drunk (French "wine-tasting", you know!!) and personally have the opportunity to say thank you to your interest support and help in my quest for Health & Safety Info "Crusade"... If any of you can MAKE it, I will leave no stone unturned to find good quality cheap accommodation for the Easter Week in France. I wish I had a fortune and could throw a complete "free-for-all"; but I can't. But I sure as hell will make sure we have a good (and safe & comfortable) time once there. Anyone of you guys game?? Would you care to join me in "Chartres Easter 97" ??? Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 18:22:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unEN9-0000Z5a; Sun, 4 Aug 96 18:22 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:04:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199608050131.CAA26343@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi guys, Oh shit, this is probably another " red herring" I am throwing into the ring; I find it difficult to emphasize, sympathize or identify with this rigid idea of having "to have" a prescriped subject stained glass pattern in order to execute a particular commission/ piece of work. I can't draw - to save my life. That's the long and the short of it. BUT - I can design. I have no need for pattern books; my life does not depend on them. I have my camera; I have my graphic scaled paper, I have my enlarging/reducing facilities and I have artist friends who will put their "oar" in when I go wrong and get my shapes and perspectives wrong. What's wrong with YOU out there. Do your OWN thing!!! It may take a tiny titch longer, but it ain't "pattern book design".... Have you ever had a proper look at these pattern book designs?? They are cobbled togethers by commercial technical drawers, who themselves have never ever got their fingers cut by a piece of glass/ have no idea (really) of what WORKS) in stained glass and what does not. In the UK a few years ago, there was a national emergency.... WHY??? The bakers went on strike -- no bread. The Housewives went totally berserk, bought up every loaf in sight, big deal, big panic. They forgot one very basic thing,; a little bit of flour, a little touch of water, a bit of yeast and an oven. Hey presto! A loaf of bread!!! (And I can tell you - UK bread - on the whole - is pretty awful!!) UK bread and the designs of "Ed Sibbett Jr." I put very much on par. Do your own thing..... Sod the patterns; - mostly - they don't work anyway. Sorry if I sound flippant and arrogant. Don't mean to. I'm not surprised that the guy in question has let some of you down - what the hell do you expect.... It's GOT to come from you - in the final analysis. Give it, or give up. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 18:59:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unEwk-0000cma; Sun, 4 Aug 96 18:59 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 20:44:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug4.134415.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue I'm so glad you spoke up. Not many glass artists speak out about poor service, and poor product. I know. I received a bum DL4000 and get great lip service but no answers. Phil7@tiac.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 19:08:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unF5K-0000cua; Sun, 4 Aug 96 19:07 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Spring trip Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If any of you can MAKE it, I will leave no stone unturned to find >good quality cheap accommodation for the Easter Week in France. I >wish I had a fortune and could throw a complete "free-for-all"; but >I can't. But I sure as hell will make sure we have a good (and safe >& comfortable) time once there. >Anyone of you guys game?? >Would you care to join me in "Chartres Easter 97" ??? If I didn't have 3 kids in college (do they ever graduate?), I'd join you there. Of course, if I started swimming now... Incidentally, does anyone have a pattern for the veterinary medicine symbol? My daughter is in vet school and I'd love to make it for her. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 4 20:36:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unGRe-0000IDa; Sun, 4 Aug 96 20:35 PDT X-Path: p3.net!kre8tiv1 From: kre8tiv1@p3.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 23:33:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug4.163320.0> References: <<1996Aug4.05329.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce Moran wrote: > > > I too have tried Super Glue.....and it works for a while...but lets go > shortly afterward....so I do not recommend it for projects that are > gifts or are to be sold. They just do not stay. As for the > designs....there are so many good books out there, visit your local > stained glass retailer. That way you don't violate any copyright laws, > and also support the designers who should be paid for their designs. If > you are really cheap...start designing your own! Those are free too! > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > ---- Super glue GEL works just fine for me, that it why I recommended it. If I had the same trouble that you mentioned, I certainly would not have suggested that someone else use it. Also, I have pattern books... many. I am an artist and I DO design my own pieces however, being a creative person, I am always interested in broadening my horizons. If you haven't noticed, there is so much to be had on the internet, it is foolish not to tap it as a source. Lin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 03:32:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unMxI-0000WSa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:32 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 06:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >I'm so glad you spoke up. Not many glass artists speak out about poor >service, and poor product. I know. I received a bum DL4000 and get >great lip service but no answers. I think we have an excellent opportunity to help each other on this list by letting others know of our 'less than perfect' purchases . Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 03:42:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unN7D-0000bJa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 03:42 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 06:45:04 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I find it difficult to emphasize, sympathize or identify with this >rigid idea of having "to have" a prescriped subject stained glass >pattern in order to execute a particular commission/ piece of work. >What's wrong with YOU out there. Do your OWN thing!!! It may take a >tiny titch longer, but it ain't "pattern book design".... Have you >ever had a proper look at these pattern book designs?? They are >cobbled togethers by commercial technical drawers, who themselves >have never ever got their fingers cut by a piece of glass/ have no >idea (really) of what WORKS) in stained glass and what does not. I can't believe you have written something so insensitive as that. Each person does his/her own thing in the way they enjoy. I seldom use pattern books but do get ideas from them and I resent your inference that using them means one has no creativity. Creativity is different things to different people. Who are you to judge what is creative to everyone else! >Do your own thing..... >Sod the patterns; - mostly - they don't work anyway. >Sorry if I sound flippant and arrogant. Don't mean to. >I'm not surprised that the guy in question has let some of you down - >what the hell do you expect.... >It's GOT to come from you - in the final analysis. >Give it, or give up. You certainly can't help but sound arrogant and rude with statements like that. Why don't you try a little empathy and tact next time. If you want to discuss this further, email me privately. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 05:59:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unPEo-0001Jaa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 05:58 PDT X-Path: intran.xerox.com!liz From: liz@intran.xerox.com (Liz Lynch) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 06:01:48 PDT Message-ID: <9608051301.AA00951@moose.intran.xerox.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! This question is just on the fringe for this group but since I am a glass hobbyist I'm not going to feel too guilty about asking...This is not for a glass project, truth be told it's to replace the glass panels that I keep breaking, during the winter, in a birdfeeder. Feeling quite proactive this year I'm trying to fix the problem (does plexiglass break as easy as window glass at -30?). Can anyone give me some helpful hints on cutting plexiglass? I have two exact rectangles I need to cut (each 4" x 5"). I marked them off, scored them with my "cheep" class cutter (NOT my good one), then tried to break the line and it didn't budge. I am gutting from a very piece of scrap (about 2' x 3'). Any hints? Thanks! Liz from Mpls. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 06:37:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unPq8-0001JXa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 06:37 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608051336.JAA27908@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Liz! >Can anyone give me some helpful hints on cutting plexiglass? I have two >exact rectangles I need to cut (each 4" x 5"). I marked them off, scored them >with my "cheep" class cutter (NOT my good one), then tried to break the line >and it didn't budge. I am gutting from a very piece of scrap (about 2' x 3'). I have heard several times that plexiglass should be scored with a scribe (looks like a metal pencil with a pointed tip). I haven't tried this personally, but know several who have been successful. Good Luck! Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 07:19:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unQVG-0000cIa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 07:19 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 08:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.35540.0> References: <<9608051301.AA00951@moose.intran.xerox.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk HI GANG!!!! I have cut plexiglass several times in the past, but have never heard of scoring or scribing it. Maybe this means (once again) that there is more than one way to skin a cat!! (Sorry about that, BC!) I have cut plexiglass with a sabre-saw and with a skill-saw (carpenter's nifty gadgets). I personally recommend using a very fine toothed plywood blade (unless of course you have a plexiglass/formica blade just hanging around)! If you don't have either of these tools, chances are your next-door-neighbor does. Don't be as hard-headed and determined as me, and use your electric carving knife. I can tell you by my own experience....THIS JUST WON'T WORK!!!!! I am still carving hams and turkeys the old fashioned way as penance for my stubbornness!!! Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 07:34:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unQih-0001Jba; Mon, 5 Aug 96 07:33 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:31:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.6316.0> References: <<199608050131.CAA26343@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi guys, > Oh shit, this is probably another " red herring" I am throwing into > the ring; > I find it difficult to emphasize, sympathize or identify with this > rigid idea of having "to have" a prescriped subject stained glass > pattern in order to execute a particular commission/ piece of work. > > I can't draw - to save my life. > That's the long and the short of it. BUT - I can design. I have no > need for pattern books; my life does not depend on them. I have my > camera; I have my graphic scaled paper, I have my enlarging/reducing > facilities and I have artist friends who will put their "oar" in > when I go wrong and get my shapes and perspectives wrong. > > What's wrong with YOU out there. Do your OWN thing!!! It may take a > tiny titch longer, but it ain't "pattern book design".... Have you > ever had a proper look at these pattern book designs?? They are > cobbled togethers by commercial technical drawers, who themselves > have never ever got their fingers cut by a piece of glass/ have no > idea (really) of what WORKS) in stained glass and what does not. > > In the UK a few years ago, there was a national emergency.... WHY??? > The bakers went on strike -- no bread. The Housewives went totally > berserk, bought up every loaf in sight, big deal, big panic. > They forgot one very basic thing,; a little bit of flour, a little > touch of water, a bit of yeast and an oven. Hey presto! A loaf of > bread!!! (And I can tell you - UK bread - on the whole - is pretty > awful!!) > UK bread and the designs of "Ed Sibbett Jr." I put very much on par. > Do your own thing..... > Sod the patterns; - mostly - they don't work anyway. > Sorry if I sound flippant and arrogant. Don't mean to. > I'm not surprised that the guy in question has let some of you down - > what the hell do you expect.... > It's GOT to come from you - in the final analysis. > Give it, or give up. > Elisabeth 'n Toby > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i agree and disagree with this. #1 ed sibbet jr, can't make designs for beans, but his books are cheap. #2 I do make my own patterns, mainly fancy boxes all my panels. books i use for gifts, or to sell, i find it easier to simply photocopy from a pattern book then to spend a few hours of designing something special. personnally i would never by disk from anyone without seeing the patterns first. in fact i don't buy books through catalogs, without knowing what the patterns look like on the inside, and even then i still want to see the finished work. #3 the majority of books (with the exeption of panel and sibbet books), are designed by glass artists. which could easily be seen by the pictures of the finshed work. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 07:57:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unR5j-0001MCa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 07:57 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.65454.0> References: <<9608051301.AA00951@moose.intran.xerox.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz Lynch wrote: > > Hi all! This question is just on the fringe for this group but since I am > a glass hobbyist I'm not going to feel too guilty about asking...This is not > for a glass project, truth be told it's to replace the glass panels that I > keep breaking, during the winter, in a birdfeeder. Feeling quite proactive > this year I'm trying to fix the problem (does plexiglass break as easy as > window glass at -30?). > > Can anyone give me some helpful hints on cutting plexiglass? I have two > exact rectangles I need to cut (each 4" x 5"). I marked them off, scored them > with my "cheep" class cutter (NOT my good one), then tried to break the line > and it didn't budge. I am gutting from a very piece of scrap (about 2' x 3'). > > Any hints? Thanks! Liz from Mpls. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass glass cutters are designed for glass. plexi glass is plastic, you either cut it with a saw (a radial arm should work , but test it on a scrap piece first.) or use a plastic cutter, with this tool you have to continualy scribe the piece until it's at least half way through before trying to break it. but instead of plexi glass try Lexan, this stuff is supe flexible, and very strong (though i'm not sure how well it does in extremes of cold). Lexan in also much more expensive then plexi, but it's also mush stronger. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 08:00:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unR8n-0000Dsa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:00 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:58:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.6588.0> References: <<1996Aug5.35540.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > HI GANG!!!! > > I have cut plexiglass several times in the past, but have never heard of > scoring or scribing it. Maybe this means (once again) that there is > more than one way to skin a cat!! (Sorry about that, BC!) > > I have cut plexiglass with a sabre-saw and with a skill-saw (carpenter's > nifty gadgets). I personally recommend using a very fine toothed > plywood blade (unless of course you have a plexiglass/formica blade just > hanging around)! If you don't have either of these tools, chances are > your next-door-neighbor does. Don't be as hard-headed and determined as > me, and use your electric carving knife. I can tell you by my own > experience....THIS JUST WON'T WORK!!!!! I am still carving hams and > turkeys the old fashioned way as penance for my stubbornness!!! > > Shirley Suter > Grapeland, Tx. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass out of curiosity who told you to use a carving knife on plexi glass? i do know a carving knife cuts foam rubber really well. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 08:09:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unRGl-0000Xja; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:08 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spring trip Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 10:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <32060654.4431@mars.superlink.net> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue Eiszler wrote: > > If any of you can MAKE it, I will leave no stone unturned to find > >good quality cheap accommodation for the Easter Week in France. I > >wish I had a fortune and could throw a complete "free-for-all"; but > >I can't. But I sure as hell will make sure we have a good (and safe > >& comfortable) time once there. > >Anyone of you guys game?? > >Would you care to join me in "Chartres Easter 97" ??? > > If I didn't have 3 kids in college (do they ever graduate?), I'd > join you there. Of course, if I started swimming now... > > Incidentally, does anyone have a pattern for the veterinary > medicine symbol? My daughter is in vet school and I'd love to make it for > her. > > Sue > susan.eiszler@nethawk.com > 1091@nethawk.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i know they have an all doctor book they may have the symbol in there, or if you have the corel cd (graphics) it's got to be on there. and if worse comes to worse, enlarge a sybol you do have and make that. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 08:16:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unROD-0001Lma; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:16 PDT X-Path: crouse-hinds.sprint.com!christiansen From: christiansen@crouse-hinds.sprint.com To: glass@bungi.com (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested) Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.6130.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Can anyone give me some helpful hints on cutting plexiglass? I have >two exact rectangles I need to cut (each 4" x 5"). I marked them off, >scored them with my "cheep" class cutter (NOT my good one), then >tried to break the line and it didn't budge. I am gutting from a very >piece of scrap (about 2' x 3'). >Any hints? Thanks! Liz from Mpls. Liz, I believe the best way to cut plexiglass is to use a saw since trying to break the plastic (even after scoring) could cause some strange results. Probably a band saw would be your best bet to get a good straight line. Hope this helps! Barry Syracuse, NY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 08:34:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unRee-0000eOa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:33 PDT X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 11:32:28 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug5.153228.0> References: <<9608051301.AA00951@moose.intran.xerox.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Liz (and everyone else!) My husband (handyperson extraordinaire) has made us a couple of feeders using plexiglass. There's a plexiglass cutter you can buy at your hardware store for about $2. It looks sort of like a razor knife with a hook. He's also used a hack saw and a table saw, but says this little cheap cutter works great. He also says plexiglass can withstand the cold, although ours haven't had much of a test. Here in Ga. we don't get too many 32 degree days much less -32!!!! I would, however, be happy to trade June-August with you. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 08:45:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unRqN-0000nta; Mon, 5 Aug 96 08:45 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.74529.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A ssllooww saw may be able to do the job but I can tell you from experience that any thing that moves too fask or generates to much heat will cause the cut seam to meld back together behind the saw blade. What a mess. Good luck. Call the local door/window repairman and ask what he uses. Linda I believe the best way to cut plexiglass is to use a saw since trying to break the plastic (even after scoring) could cause some strange results. Probably a band saw would be your best bet to get a good straight line. Hope this helps! Barry Syracuse, NY begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B /`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S6"NP$>`' ``0```!<```!213H@0W5T=&EN9R!0;&5X:6=L87-S```" M`7$``0```!8````!NX+E(00]&\8J[I(1S[O@`-T!%97(```>`!X,`0````4` M``!33510`````!X`'PP!````$@```&QC8F5L;$!M96UA8V@N8V]M`````P`& M$+6G^[@#``<0LP$``!X`"! !````90```$%34TQ,3T]75U-!5TU!64)%04), M151/1$]42$5*3T)"551)0T%.5$5,3%E/54923TU%6%!%4DE%3D-%5$A!5$%. M651(24Y'5$A!5$U/5D535$]/1D%32T]21T5.15)!5$535$\``````@$)$ $` M``"1`@``C0(``-H#``!,6D9U4ZQS"/\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R"0(`8V@* MP'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P)S=&5M`H,S=P+D!Q,"@'T*@ C/"=D[ M\18/,C4U`H *@0VQ"V!@;F2!B%&4@`:!L')!T;R 29!T0=&@0A@( -2(&7L>' &<0GP8QSA$8 %0&\`H1Y M==L1L!U38QWQ$;!A'T C$OT>D&0<< #0(B =`")P'6%_!< <@""Q)< =8AP" M`F!A<0VP+B!7(",E@000+OL*A0J%1QNP)< *0"8`* #^0P= `R =8A6@'D # M(!TPW06P+P/P)P`;P" 6$ JPO&ER`X(`<"7 (@)W("+7'7$D42C.3";Q82CL M&BWU$U!O$]!C!4 Q@AHL+Z_?,+\Q@!X@'( 9T&4A, A@);$D-/YS`W G43C@&0$< MD#E:%A#:T2:B-?$< M@ 5 '0$F4;TH86 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unS8I-0001Hma; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:03 PDT X-Path: cdsnet.net!hackney From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass Software Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:03:37 -0700 Message-ID: <199608051603.JAA09638@mail.cdsnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert: I would be glad to respond as well as clear a few things up. This reminds me of when they attacked you so visciously for trying to help and enlighten them. We at Hackney Designs are always disappointed if a customer is not happy with one of our products, however we all know no one can please all of the people all of the time. I don't consider two people alot of people. We've sold thousands of disks, and only have heard of these two complaints. The purpose of our disks went right over the heads of these two constant complainers. I'm posting the exact ad that these two woman that have NO online etiquette ordered from for all to read, and please remember their ridiculous comments. 1). "It took 8 weeks and countless e-mails to receive my order". Last I heard 6-8 weeks was standard turn around time for most mail order products ( it takes 14 working days just for our bank to varify funds on a out of state check once we receive it via snail mail ). They were honest about ONE thing they did E-mail us constantly, complaining before they ever received their order. 2). "I'm sure someones already checking into this guy for copyright violations". Our disks contain only our own designs, public domain patterns, copyrighted designs we have legal permission to use or qualify as "independent creations" under the US COPYRIGHT ACT. As we state on every disk we've ever sold, if we unknowingly used a copyrighted pattern of someone elses we would remove it. One large pattern book company that was afraid of our products superiorty did illeagally and then leagally through a copyright attorney try to stop us from selling our disks, but failed as our product complies 100% to the US COPYRIGHT ACT. 3). "I already have some of these patterns". Again right over their heads, the whole concept of our product is the capability to manipulate the patterns, i.e. reduce, enlarge,flip,rotate,add lines,circles,arcs,cut & paste to combine and or create new and different patterns ect. Ladies if you just want to go on zeroxing or traceing patterns as is, go buy the old fasion book patterns trade in your computer for a light table and let the rest of the world advance as well as put their home computer to use. The bottom line is, if you prommised to trade 24k gold for ice cubes and you did it often enough, eventaully a couple of simple minded fools would complain because it took 6-8 weeks to get their gold and when they got it, it didn't keep their drinks cold ! Craig Hackney Announcing inexpensive stained glass pattern software. Hackney Designs is now shipping 17 different collections of stained glass patterns on 3.5" disks for IBM windows and Macintosh. Each disk contains 20 to 30 great patterns that can be manipulated utilizing your existing paint or drawing program. Just some of the manipulations you can perform on these patterns are: print unlimited copies, size up or down to any size you wish, print on one 8.5x11 sheet of paper or print on multiple sheets for large patterns, flip vertical, horizontal,left or right (to reverse pattern or cut out pattern on back), add lines, circles, arcs & text, cut and paste (to combine different patterns together), add color and texture (to preview finished piece before you start cutting glass). You can also make adhesive backed self sticking patterns simply by printing on AVERY # 5165 8.5x11 adhesive labels. You can use any paint or drawing program that recognizes the .BMP format for the IBM version or the PICT format for Macintosh. Such as MS Paintbrush, MS Desktop Publishing, ASL Paint, Paintshop Pro, Image & Bits, Lview Pro, Leadview and many others. There is a README file on each disk with complete instructions. Or in .Wmf Format for the new Glass Magic 3.0 program. Each disk comes in a very eye catching colorful package with complete instructions, a list of all patterns on the disk and manipulation capabilities on the outside of the package. Titles available are: TROPICAL BIRDS- macaws, cockatoos, toucans, cockatiels and lovebirds etc. WILD BIRDS- eagles, ducks, humming birds, peacocks and penquins etc. NITELIGHTS- flowers, animals, angels, child related, etc. FLOWERS- iris', roses, orchids, calla lillies, gardenias, tulips, pansies, poppies, etc. MARINE ANIMALS- whales, seals, starfish, sharks, clownfish, dolphin, sea horses, swordfish, walrus, sea turtles, etc. NAUTICAL SCENES- sailboats, power boats, lighthouses, mermaids, sea shells, anchors, etc. 2-D/3-D PROJECTS- humming birds, humming birds w/flower standing, standing butterfly lady, standing angels, candle holders, pencil holders, business card holders, etc. PANEL LAMP PATTERNS-panel lamp patterns for 4 sides, 6 sides, and 8 sides with information on vase caps, harps, & lamp bases WILD LIFE- deer, tiger, lion, squirrel, bear, raccoon, skunk FARM- horses, pigs, cows, chickens, and farm related scenes CATS- a various collection of cats DOGS- a various collection of dogs SUNCATCHERS I- animal suncatchers including butterflies SUNCATCHERS II- flowers SUNCATCHERS III- misc. such as rainbows, hearts, balloons, etc. MYTHICAL- dragons, wizards, castles, unicorns, pegasus, angels SCENIC- mountain scenes, wine/cheese scenes, wine related scenes, desert scenes, tree scenes, water scenes, etc. The Price for each disk is $10.99 or 3 for $30.00, 4 or more $9.00each Plus .75 cents for 1-3 disks, $1.50 for 4-6 disks or $4.00 for 7 or more to cover shipping and packaging. Send check or money order MADE PAYABLE TO HACKNEY DESIGNS to: Craig Hackney Hackney Designs P.O. Box 876 Cave Junction, OR 97523-9648 If you have any questions, please email us at: hackney@cdsnet.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 09:09:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unSCl-0001IPa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:08 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:52:03 -0400 Message-ID: <9608051452.AA15283@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elizabeth wrote: >Am planning next Easter 97 a tour (from the UK) to visit, study, "oogle" >the stained glass "Mecca" of the world - CHARTRES. Have lined up with >a couple of Colleges here who will lay on the coaches and the general >organization of the project; my local Parish Vicar is very keen to >"give it a go" and publish it in all the regional Church publications >(Anglican - of course!!) Might any of YOU guys - across the Pond - be >interested to join up with me/us in France next Easter 97?? Chartres is one wonderful excursion. I have been there numerous times. Amasing though that when one speaks of trips to" oggle" at the glass in France San Chappelle is rarely mentioned. I must tell you that if you want to have your breath taken away San Chappelle is a must.. my best, pj> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 09:24:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unSRH-0001JBa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:23 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:23:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9608051623.AA03677@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Aug1.982.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rita wrote: >I don't think a harmless >pluck should break the seal...silicone does possess elasticity. Good luck! Hmm - one problem, that may make a "harmless pluck" much less harmless :-) is the triangle of forces effect - it depends on how taut the wire is, but it can easily magnify the force used tens or hundreds of times - the tauter the wire the worse it gets. I have no idea how the elasticity will work with this, though, but it should make the join more likely to survive. (and silicone does make a strong glass to glass bond - I think you can go up to around three feet deep for aquariums built using glass with silicone joins). -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 09:46:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unSn3-0000OEa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 09:46 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 11:22:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.62218.0> References: <<1996Aug5.6588.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > out of curiosity who told you to use a carving knife on plexi glass? i > do know a carving knife cuts foam rubber really well. > > ---Mike Savad Hey there Mike An electric knife on foam rubber, huh....and all this time I have been using my chain saw!!!! Just kidding there Mike!! I have to admit that no one told me the carving knife trick....I "thunked" is up myself, but it worked so well on the bottom of my Christmas tree, I assumed it would work on anything!!! You know that desperate times call for desparate measures and nothing gained, nothing ventured. Plus what do you learn, if you aren't willing to experiment a little! :) Certainly makes life much more interesting! :))) Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 10:33:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unTWr-0001Qpa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 10:33 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Stained Glass Software Date: 05 Aug 96 13:29:51 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug5.172951.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Craig, Thanks for your quick response. Glad to hear that the copyright question has been clarified. Hope everyone realizes that it's the *manipulation* of the images that you've made possible, not necessarily their originality. Six to eight weeks turnaround sounds longish to me, personally. I expect mail orders to arrive in 2-3 days, myself, but then I use a credit card and order over the 'net or use the supplier's 800 number, so that'd be different. One suggestion, though: your bank's taking far too long to process the checks; it's my understanding that federal banking law requires banks to clear out-of-state checks in no more than three days. If yours is taking longer, they're making a ton of money on the float. I'm not sure about the three days, but 14 days is outrageous. On the other hand, there are check verification/validation services that will okay and guarantee the checks you received for a very small fee, sorta like credit cards are validated. Thanks for the clarification and for posting your entire ad. Yes, I already had it in the archive, but did I read it closely? Uh, no. albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 11:32:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unURv-0000jja; Mon, 5 Aug 96 11:32 PDT X-Path: cdsnet.net!hackney From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Software Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:32:11 -0700 Message-ID: <199608051832.LAA22781@mail.cdsnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert: Thank you for the input on check verifiacation, as always you seem to be up on top of things. I will check into the systems you suggested and talk to our bank. The 6-8 weeks is a worst case sernero, in most cases we ship within 2 weeks. If we receive verified funds we can ship within 24 hours. Both of these ladies failed to mention that they received two of the three disks they ordered within two weeks! They both ordered the same third disk and it was in the process of being updated and improved hense the delay. We actually shipped four disks for the price of three to sherry but again she failed to mention this fact. Always good to hear from you, keep up the good work. Sincerely Craig Hackney > >Craig, > >Thanks for your quick response. Glad to hear that the copyright question has >been clarified. Hope everyone realizes that it's the *manipulation* of the >images that you've made possible, not necessarily their originality. > >Six to eight weeks turnaround sounds longish to me, personally. I expect mail >orders to arrive in 2-3 days, myself, but then I use a credit card and order >over the 'net or use the supplier's 800 number, so that'd be different. One >suggestion, though: your bank's taking far too long to process the checks; it's >my understanding that federal banking law requires banks to clear out-of-state >checks in no more than three days. If yours is taking longer, they're making a >ton of money on the float. I'm not sure about the three days, but 14 days is >outrageous. On the other hand, there are check verification/validation services >that will okay and guarantee the checks you received for a very small fee, sorta >like credit cards are validated. > >Thanks for the clarification and for posting your entire ad. Yes, I already had >it in the archive, but did I read it closely? Uh, no. > >albert > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 15:53:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unYUc-0001bNa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 15:51 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:32:20 +0000 Message-ID: <199608052259.XAA00223@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes Mike, Thanks for your comments. It's the DESIGNERS who really get me out in red hot anger, and our own vulnerability of depending on them.... Patterns "across the Pond" are NOT cheap (they are all imported) and I see disillusioned, upset and frustrated students every week in my classes. They take their money in great expectations and pay dearly for pattern books, slave away over the kitchen table, break glass after glass , arrive at class very close to chucking glass, tools everything out through the window. I ask them to bring their pattern into class to show me. Sure enough, it's some nasty design, concocted/cobbled together by some "designer", who has never cut a piece of glass in his life. The learner, the total beginner thinks that he/she is at fault, when the fault is totally with the bad or even hopeless pattern. To add insult to injury, you then have the "rip-off-merchants" who copies patterns into a "new" pattern book and so the circle perpetuates (we just had a number of people complaining about this very aspect a day or so ago...). Wherever possible, I make my students improvise on their own, encourage them (somewhat strongly) to ignore pattern books; that they have it within them to be better designers and drawing experts than the people who roll out these books on conveyor belts. But open your eyes, use your imagination, improvise. Only use the barest minimum of individual components in pattern books, if you absolutely must. That's what I tell them. It's one of my major "explosion points". I am sorry I used language that hurt people. That's not what I am about (though I do like debates). But I am genuinely concerned about stained glass learners getting "hooked" on rubbish-pattern books, when they themselves carry far more talents to do it themselves. Sometimes these talents need caressing out, sometimes teasing out, some times shocking out. My classes are always over-subscribed. I arrive at the first lesson with a vastly excaggerated First Aid Box and proclaim loud and clear that anyone who is afraid of a bit of blood, sliced arteries and cut fingers would be recommended to join another class. That usually narrows down the numbers a little bit.... The average weekly wage "over here " is about $275 before taxes; rent cost the "average" person about $120-140 per week. the imported pattern books of Ed Sibbett Jr "quality" cost about $25-35. It's a lot of money to pay for rubbish.... Some of my students are changing career, their weekly income is about $150 per week, which leaves them about $20 a week to eat, clothe themselves, travel, and so on. When I buy a product I want to be sure that it is "fit for the purpose for which it is intended". Which is why I want to string an awful lot of so called stained glass pattern book designers by any first tree I can find. They have ripped me off, they are now ripping my students off. That's all. The only self-help I can see, is for me to drum into my students - save your nickels for real things like glass; improvise, improvise, learn to look around you and DO NOT get hooked on fansy "gizmos". Don't allow yourself to become "inert"; experiment, dare something! Since I have just attended a third Stained Glass University graduate whom I trained up ( ... and I suppose, potentially - my own competitor!!!), bursting with pride over "MY" student, I am beginning to think that my philosophy and message works - somewhere along the lines. Harsh - maybe - but loving, nurturing all the same. As a stained glass group, between all of us, we have tremendeous resources to share with each other - and to give to our precious "learners".They are a wonderful fresh injection. Sue, I am sorry - I did not mean to hurt or offend. The "red herring" was intended, but only as a thought provoker - not as an insult... I am not as insensitive as that, if anything, I am the opposite. Stained glass is NOT a cheap "hobby", ( The very cheapest Belgian Cathedral glass over here costs about $12/sq.ft. And that's the minimum size a hobbyist overe HERE can buy. (and don't forget the weekly UK budget!!) Combine that with a minimum of 4-5 colours for a beginner's panel, then perhaps you can begin to understand the immensity of the learner's commitment overe here. Do you remember YOUR very first 3-4 panels...? How much glass did you waste??).It's frighteningly expenisve for the "semi-professional". It's therefore extremely important to prioritize. Professionally I find it grossly offensive that a customer should shove a rubbish pattern-book design under my nose and then make his choice of "executor" as to whom reproduces rubbish most faithfully and "technically" more adeptly. THAT - to me is an insult. I myself personally have got to the professional stage, where I can tell such a customer to "go jump in the lake", but can you, when YOU just start OUT??? No you cannot. (We all needed the money...) Which is why I and many others see the exact horrible reproductions of the stained glass pattern on page 39 of Joe Blogg's stained glass pattern book again and again and again........It makes me cringe and makes me cry.. Enough for tonight, but I genuinely have no wish to offend or hurt; only to "waken". Is that fair??? Thank you again Mike, I took your comments as a very impartial considered contribution. Got your point. And yes, taking it on-board Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 16:15:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unYrM-0001NDa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 19:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.151234.0> References: <<199608052259.XAA00223@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm curouis where you live, $25 for a sibbet wow! here in the USA it's 4.95 though the people who make really good books (i forget there name,but i know it's not form the us.), there the ones who make that book with the disney designs, etc. and they show all the colors when it's finished. here it's around 20 bucks, but there it might be less. i was also wondering how much spectrum glass is there (if they export). ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 16:31:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unZ6x-0001NTa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:30 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:32:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.153251.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've cut plexiglass rectangles on a table saw with a standard blade, so that's one option. Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 16:31:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unZ6u-0001cDa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:30 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:33:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug5.15333.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Do not order any of the disks from Hackney Designs. >After several rather curt emails to him about 8 weeks >after I sent my check, I did receive 2 of the disks but >I still have not received my full order of 3 disks...the >last I knew the man claimed he was too busy filling >large orders to bother with mine. Incidentally, the two >disks that I did receive are basically copies of designs >already published in pattern books. Infact, I had >already made several suncatchers of the exact same >patterns. If he doesn't own the copyrights to them, >he could be in deep sh**. I agree with the above advice: Do NOT order any disks from Hackney Designs. Many (perhaps all... I'm not sure) of the patterns on his disks are copied from published pattern books. He does NOT own the copyrights to these designs and is not licensed to use them. The fact that he is trying to sell these disks that include designs that he's scanned/copied out of published pattern books was brought to the attention of virtually every major publisher in the industry (including myself) at the industry trade show last month. He has already been approached by attorneys of some of the publishers, and undoubtedly has heard from more since the show. (FYI, his initial response was "I'm not selling other designers' copyrighted patterns... I'm just selling the disks." Huh?!?!) If Mr. Hackney is still trying to do business, I can't imagine he will for very much longer. He's been caught and doesn't have a leg to stand on. On behalf of all the designers and publishers whose patterns have been copied by Hackney Designs, please don't support this "business" (I'm obviously using this term loosely). Based on the previous posts about this guy's operation and poor service, it sounds like not only is he breaking the law, he's also not very good at it. Please avoid Hackney Designs. >(Have you ever had a proper look at these pattern book >designs?? They are cobbled togethers by commercial >technical drawers, who themselves have never ever >got their fingers cut by a piece of glass/ have no idea >(really) of what WORKS) in stained glass and what >does not. Based on this post by Elisabeth 'n Toby, it sounds like she/they perhaps don't have access in the U.K. to many of the well designed pattern books we have available here in the U.S. Sure there's some "schlock" out there... and sure, there are many books that appeal to only a small share of the glass hobbyist market... but there are plenty of books with attractive, well designed patterns that even a novice would be able to make without any trouble. In case you're interested, every one of our (SGN Publishing) books has been designed by glass artists who cut their fingers (and other body parts) on glass frequently. And the artists are pretty proud of the work they've "cobbled together" and made available to hobbyists via our pattern books. In conclusion (as I prepare to step down from my soapbox), I'd just like to encourage those looking for ideas to ignore Hackney Designs, and visit your local glass supplier. Not only will you probably find about 15 new books that were announced last month, you'll also find plenty of "old classics" on their bookshelves. And (*stop reading now if you want to avoid a shameless plug*) watch for the new issue of Stained Glass News at your local supplier around the first of September! Enjoy the rest of your summer (the Christmas gift making season will be upon you soon!), Scott Stained Glass News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 16:57:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unZWJ-0001cya; Mon, 5 Aug 96 16:57 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reply to Mr. Hackney - the truth Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MR. HACKNEY, I am well aware that one of the purposes of your disks is to allow manipulation on a computer. That was one of the reasons I was so excited about obtaining your disks. There are several statements in your posts today that I must reply to. Let's set the record straight so that all will know of my 'constant complaining' nature and of the ACTUAL length of time involved in attempting to receive my disks: 1. April 15.. the day after your original post, I sent you a check for 3 disks. The check cleared my bank on 4/25/96. So obviously, your bank accepted it before that. Discussion of bank procedures regarding checks was well addressed by Albert already. 2. May 8.. I emailed you to see when my disks would arrive. This was our 'conversation': >>From Wed May 08 22:55:02 1996 >Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 19:52:59 -0700 >X-Sender: hackney@mg1.cdsnet.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) >From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) >Subject: Re: disks > >Hi Sue, > We did receive your check and order. We're very sorry that it's >taking so long to fill orders, we have been swamped with orders >to fill, some as large as 800 disks ( mail order wholesalers ). >We are shipping as fast as we can on a first in first out basis, >your disks should be in the mail by the end of next week. >Again sorry for the delay. >Reguards, >Craig >HACKNEY DESIGNS > > >>Hi, >> I sent you a check with my order about 3 weeks ago. Did you get >>the check and if so, when will my order be shipped? >> >>Sue >>1091@nethawk.com 3. June 8.. I again asked about my order since you indicated on May 8 that it would be shipped shortly. Below is our next 'conversation': >>From Sat Jun 08 11:26:19 1996 >Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:24:01 -0700 >X-Sender: hackney@mg1.cdsnet.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) >From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) >Subject: Re: disks > >Hello Sue: > I will personally see to it that your order or your money is sent out to >you this week ! >Craig Hackney Sr. >HACKNEY DESIGNS > > >>This was your reply on May 8...if you aren't going to ship the disks, >>please send my money back. This is ridiculous. >> 4. I did not keep a record of when I actually received two of the disks unfortunately but it was at least 2 weeks after the June 8 email before they finally arrived. The third has not yet been shipped. 5. You indicate that you actually shipped two disks to me within two weeks in one of your posts today. > The 6-8 weeks is a worst case sernero, in most cases we ship within >2 weeks. If we receive verified funds we can ship within 24 hours. >Both of these ladies failed to mention that they received two of the >three disks they ordered within two weeks! As can be seen from the record of our email conversations, that simply is not true. I did not receive two disks from you within two weeks of ordering. I didn't even receive 2 disks from you within 4 weeks of ordering. I didn't even receive 2 disks within 6 weeks of ordering. 6. You indicate that 6-8 weeks is not unreasonable for mail-order companies. I must tell you that I have never had to wait 6-8 weeks for a mail-order product before from any type of company before. I order from such companies as Delphi and Glass Crafters and have never had to wait more than a few days. However, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because of the newness of your company. By your time requirements, I should have received all my disks no later than June 15. Today is August 5. Anyone can tell that more than 6-8 weeks has passed since I ordered from you. And even if your bank would have taken 2 weeks to clear checks, we are still well beyond 10 weeks for shipment. 7. So you can call me a complainer and any other name you want. The bottom line is that I ordered something from you almost 4 months ago and have not received my complete order. So you can call it complaining/bitching/whatever. I call it informing/setting the record straight. MR. HACKNEY, if you wish to discuss our disagreement further, let's take it off the list. Everyone is well aware of the situation and rehashing it will serve no useful purpose on the list. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 20:06:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uncSX-0001ZRa; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:05 PDT X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 23:04:48 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug6.3448.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Sue, thanks for you input on Hackney Designs. I personally would not buy a disk without being able to examine it first, but this doesn't sound like a company I'd want to do business with. I just wanted to say a word about the "good guys". I'm just a hobbiest and not near as advanced as probably 95% of this group. I live in a small town in Ga., and don't have access to glass suppliers without going some distance. I have occasionally ventured to a couple of shops in Atlanta, but found their selection not to be that great, and not a lot of books when compared to the catalogs like Glasscrafters and Delphi. Last year I ordered several books from Delphi. When I placed the order, I asked if I could examine the books and just keep the ones I wanted. They said this was fine as long as I paid the return postage. I was thrilled to be able to do this. While I can see why a company would not want to do this (It would have been so easy to take the books to a copy shop.), I am so grateful to Delphi for giving me the opportunity to examine their books and just purchase the ones I wanted. There's no way I would buy a book just from the small picture in a catalog. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 20:46:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0und5n-0001fna; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:46 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Philip S. McRae" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug5.134232.0> References: <<1996Aug4.134415.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Phillip: What in the world is a DL4000? PJ in CA On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Philip S. McRae wrote: > Sue > > I'm so glad you spoke up. Not many glass artists speak out about poor > service, and poor product. I know. I received a bum DL4000 and get > great lip service but no answers. > > Phil7@tiac.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 5 20:53:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0undCd-0001g8a; Mon, 5 Aug 96 20:53 PDT X-Path: SNET.Net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:33:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB8327.E9299400@nwhn02-sh1-port49.snet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8327.E97D8060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Liz, It has been my experience to use a plexiglass cutter[not a = cheap one] for cutting 1/8" thick and under and a hand saw on anything = thicker.=20 I make a mark on the plexiglass with a black felt tip marker and than = lay a strip of masking tape along the good side of the line on both = sides of glass. Then with steady pressure I score along the line with a = straight edge or Tee-square as a guide. Make several passes on one side = and one or two on the back side, and thenmove it to the edge of your = work table and snap it ,as you would window or stained glass. [ This = only works with 1/8" and under.] When cutting thicker plexiglass it is best to leave the brown sticky = paper on until you have cut the glass. [ The brown paper or the masking = tape help to prevent the edges along the score line from cracking or = chipping] Happy Cutting, Tim Byrnes [QM Stained Glass Studio] Jack of all Trades and a Master of a Few. ---------- From: Liz Lynch[SMTP:liz@intran.xerox.com] Sent: Monday, August 05, 1996 9:01 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Cutting Plexiglass Hi all! This question is just on the fringe for this group but since I = am a glass hobbyist I'm not going to feel too guilty about asking...This is = not for a glass project, truth be told it's to replace the glass panels that = I=20 keep breaking, during the winter, in a birdfeeder. Feeling quite = proactive this year I'm trying to fix the problem (does plexiglass break as easy = as window glass at -30?). Can anyone give me some helpful hints on cutting plexiglass? I have two exact rectangles I need to cut (each 4" x 5"). I marked them off, scored = them=20 with my "cheep" class cutter (NOT my good one), then tried to break the = line=20 and it didn't budge. I am gutting from a very piece of scrap (about 2' x = 3'). Any hints? Thanks! 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As a rough guide, UK import pricing is usually "replace dollars by pounds and add some". Where there's a UK published version as well, it gets slightly better, but not much :-( However, if you're not in a hurry, it can be worthwhile ordering direct from the US - Check out places like books.com (probably http://www.books.com by now); they used to ship any size order for around 5 dollars (I think it's gone up to about 12$ or so now), so I ordered about 20 or so books at the same time. It took a few months for them to arrive :-) but it was a big saving over buying them in the UK - even allowing for a few duds that crept in. And books are zero rated, so there's no duty or VAT. Ordering materials direct is less clear cut when you figure in shipping charges, VAT and customs duty - shipping by air isn't cheap, and then add customs duty (6-7% or so?) and VAT (17.5%) - on everything INCLUDING shipping, which is a major pain; some things should still work out cheaper, as (presumably) would surface shipping; glass is a lot cheaper, but I'm not sure what the shipping charges would do to the end result. Delphi's first order discount definately worked out noticeably cheaper for me :-) and they seem to have a bigger range than most UK suppliers; I'll probably order from them again once I get started on my next project. -Jerry -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 04:09:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unk0X-0000Axa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 04:09 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 06:23:46 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >shop.), I am so grateful to Delphi for giving me the opportunity to >examine their books and just purchase the ones I wanted. There's no way >I would buy a book just from the small picture in a catalog. > >Jerri Hi Jerri, I have the good fortune to live about an hour from Delphi. I wholeheartedly agree with you that they are top notch. I have never been disappointed with a purchase (both in-store and catalog) and their staff is wonderful. They are always willing to take time and help in any way. They are even willing to let me place my order, hold it until one of my kids at Michigan State (1 mile from them) can pick it up and and bring it home. So I am not at all surprised that they are willing to accomodate your desire to examine something first. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 05:09:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unkwh-0001kMa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 05:09 PDT X-Path: smtp.newpig.com!karenro From: karenro To: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 06 Aug 96 08:08:00 PDT Message-ID: <32075E75@smtp> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All! I have been reading your e-mails in silence for the past 6 monthes. Now your into a subject I'm interested in Patterns. I have been looking at the pattern book that Delphi has. Could anyone recommend any books worth buying. I do want to design some patterns but I would like some reference books. See I have never done stained glass, in the early spring I paid for a class for my husband to take. He is going to teach me this fall. So that is why I would like to start with pattern books before I design patterns I would like to learn the craft. I would like a book with 3-D village patterns if there are any.And some with angels and just all around good stuff. Any help in this area would be appraciated. thanks in advance Karen Roberts in Altoona,PA, US ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 05:39:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unlPn-0000jqa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 05:39 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:39:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.43942.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karen, Hi, I'm new too. I just got an order from Delphi so I could have my own stuff. I have only done two pieces, a sun catcher and a kit kaliedoscope. I have my eye on a book at a local dealer that has pattern for small buildings - the title is mini- something or other. I was warned by many not to try 3-d until I have lots of experience. They said I'd fail at the scope. Well It's rough - the object box with beads has too much solder but I'm learning. It was much easier than the 1988 pattern for a flat railroad lantern that I'm doubling the amount of glass required for it now. I look at each project as a chance to learn the limitations- mine and the materials. Mine I can improve on in the next project - the materials I have to live with. Delphi carries the book with the mini-buildings in it, and I can't say enough good things about Delphi. A 25% discount coupon for first time order and prompt delivery of back orders. They also replaced a broken item no questions asked. Don't let anybody tell you that you that something is too difficult. Some of us jump in with both feet. Only two things can happen- success or learning. Sorry, I may have gotten a little off track on your post but I've been looking for a place to let go of all this - other than "I told you so" to the folks who said, "Do an nice apple sun catcher, first." Hi All! I have been reading your e-mails in silence for the past 6 monthes. Now your into a subject I'm interested in Patterns. I have been looking at the pattern book that Delphi has. Could anyone recommend any books worth buying. I do want to design some patterns but I would like some reference books. See I have never done stained glass, in the early spring I paid for a class for my husband to take. He is going to teach me this fall. So that is why I would like to start with pattern books before I design patterns I would like to learn the craft. I would like a book with 3-D village patterns if there are any.And some with angels and just all around good stuff. Any help in this area would be appraciated. thanks in advance Karen Roberts in Altoona,PA, US ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BP,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S4@[L!'@!P``$````;````4D4Z(%-T86EN960@1VQA[]A_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0 M`O()`@!C: K (>L>("IQ@-J$34&__-,,H82,`$7$PX2YB-\,J8]\D MH"M `9 JL (@ 5 058J5$4'(2;]0I)I("$U4ATP&VP>Y2-@_G((@38A*H$FDS53 M1,,K4K\IN$<1)% BX2/Q1@,G!4#_,8 EX2XP- (=P 1P)_$J`Y\!H A@!4 > MY!TP02 80+XE(> $`!^A/E$?H7 F0?TI$F8_4!V1*K '@!XE(^)_05%&< 5 M#;!)\BZQ,$%B_P#0)L >,T6!,3-%81]@%A#7"U$BL"0"8@-@:PGP/]'[$^ N M(2 _, >00\-!P5AP?&0N2JT"($^!)\ =XGG=!N!D(& 3T"F!>0A@)_0_7(@ G@7S%/7R&R M(D)0M48B$8!P)2!N_RN!-I BL3 A!< WR!ML7V#]3!!Y'&$MT2!@( ,=P1/0 M_R92)* "0"KA,$ P4"Z@5C/_`Z!<@07 4R =D3=$("$UH/]8@4""+ (Z]%>S M0H0=HC RWRER*^$J,BQS.80B'5 =`' MY2A1'3 (41_1+?$B`OL6$ 6@;0> (_(N`2:2+2'S%;$U@75Y9%H=4"'P+/'O M/E$N<0VP`)!G(*%?(@`_\03P MQ+8$^LQM ]T<5-]$AP7,34"P"'5 *L'LQH3KT8S[# M"H4I$B!1:&\=@%8@1)(N@6%8,"0:0*F+/G*$*A1L!6Z(N02/QB]/_ M-5,9`1[P0>$C\1US*7(*P/\^,9%14'(@Q:3@9C$>\4<$_RL1H_@C`(T4-:!P M@F?Q!S#_@B%:+7J9K-^M[ZY4.9)O`?M'$37 =D)#JU^L;[*?LXQ_&O,'\36@ M`"!.8W>0'0%ND&$L4$$;0%53"H7V+;;Q"H5&*2(]8 3T0]'_0A.BH"+1<+$H M8$3B`Q$=`-HZ/J0M/Q)944 IL!D0]U'0B"$*A51O48AB;F4DH/\3P!M >O.Y M3S["NQ\'$!%P_TH!0>&P( ,0`: JX2@B`D"@<#HO+W?!\"Z[)_XO/K.PCW.? M Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unmy7-0000LDa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:18 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux tip over Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.141710.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 06:07 PM 8/2/96 +0000, you wrote: >Elsie: Cut a small what for nailing an empty plastic container? Thx. >PJ. Sorry about that. Cut a small block of wood. Sorry I didn't answer sooner. Have been having trouble connecting with my mail. Elsie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 07:19:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unmy7-0000L3a; Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:18 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!ElsieTurqman From: Elsie Turqman To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:17:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.141712.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:08 PM 8/6/96 +0000, you wrote: >to learn the craft. I would like a book with 3-D village patterns if there >are any.And some with angels and just all around good stuff. Any help in this >area would be appraciated. > > > thanks in advance > > > Karen Roberts in Altoona,PA, US >---- How far are you from Allentown, PA? It might be worth a trip. It is just a few traffic lights North of Route 22 at the Airport. Phone 610-264-1100 Elsie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 07:23:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unn2Y-0000Lga; Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:23 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608061422.KAA03087@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Karen and Linda (and everyone else)! First of all I would like to thank everyone for the kind comments about Delphi and yes, Linda, I did read your post in rec.crafts.glass :) I have shared them with our entire staff and would like to thank you very much for your business. There are 4 book houses available: "Mini Mansions" and "Our Town" (kind of a Mini Mansions II) by Carolyn Otsen, and "Stained Glass Village" and "Stained Glass Village II" by Vicki Ford-Morrison. All 4 are great books, but for beginning houses, I would almost recommend the filigree and pattern sets by Deelightful Heirlooms because assembly is a bit simpler and the filigree lends a lot of great detail. As for 3-D objects for beginners, I'm sure that the instructors don't mean to discourage you. They have really good intentions. All the steps to stained glass (cutting and breaking, grinding and fit, foiling or leading, soldering and finishing) seem a bit foreign at first and can be a lot to absorb and perfect at one time. A box is the 2nd project we introduce in a beginning class because cutting accuracy/fit are critical if you are going to be successful at making this project. Personally, I think kaleidoscopes (like the marblescope, miniscope or oil wand kaleidoscope) aren't really that difficult in assembly -- at least for the body and can be very satisfying first projects! Pattern designing -- well, that a whole other topic. Until you have more experience with the limitations of glass, it would be more difficult to design successfully. Stephanie Delphi Stained Glass ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 07:43:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unnKr-0000Oka; Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:42 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:19:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199608061451.PAA20341@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz, Well said, Couldn't agrre ,ore. There is so much we can give - - so much we can tap into. That IS my point/. Great to hear from you. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 07:43:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unnKr-0000Oea; Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:42 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vetinary Symbol Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:19:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199608061451.PAA20343@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Sue, Can you hang on until next Friday?? Am having dinner with my "family Vet". In his free time he sculptures animals in clay, wood and occasionaly stone.; his wife is Swedish and is a painter. Have known them for about 20 years. He is the senior partner in one of th larger Vetinary hospitals in the UK. I'll get the vetinary symbol from him - if it kills me. (i.e I'll flatter my eye-lids ever so slightly...) OK?? Hang on in there. Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 07:49:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unnR2-0000Ofa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 07:48 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 10:44:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.64440.0> References: <<1996Aug5.134232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Phillip: What in the world is a DL4000? > PJ in CA > > On Sun, 4 Aug 1996, Philip S. McRae wrote: > > > Sue > > > > I'm so glad you spoke up. Not many glass artists speak out about poor > > service, and poor product. I know. I received a bum DL4000 and get > > great lip service but no answers. > > > > Phil7@tiac.net > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'm pretty sure thats a Diamond Laser 4000 bandsaw, the one with a 12" tilting table, and above water feed. personnally i have the DL1000 and i'm not that happy with it, but it was cheap at the time. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 08:20:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unnvd-0000K6a; Tue, 6 Aug 96 08:20 PDT X-Path: cdsnet.net!hackney From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: responce to scott Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:20:07 -0700 Message-ID: <199608061520.IAA14441@mail.cdsnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Scott: Sorry to all who are tired of this childish behavior, however I am forced to respond again or you might believe and be fooled by pattern publishers like Scott at STAINED GLASS NEWS. Scott your letter below states it was first brought to you attention at last months show we were selling disks with patterns. MAY I REMIND YOU THAT BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, YOU CONTACTED HACKNEY DESIGNS AND BEGGED FOR A FREE SAMPLE PATTERN DISK AND WE GLADLY SENT YOU ONE. YOUR RESPONCE DATED APR.26 1996 TO RECEIVING THE FREE SAMPLE READS AS FOLLOWS: " CRAIG I RECEIVED YOUR SAMPLE DISK AND INFORMATION TODAY.THANKS. UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T THINK TO ASK FOR A MAC DISK. BUT FORTNATELY, I HAVE A GRAPHICS CONVERTER THAT WAS ABLE TO CONVERT A .BMP TO A .TIFF THAT I COULD PLACE IN A MAC PROGRAM.LOOKS GREAT AND WORKS LIKE A CHARM. LATER THIS SPRING, I'LL GET IN TOUCH TO DISCUSS THE MARKETING OPTIONS WE CAN OFFER THROUGH STAINED GLAS NEWS. REGUARDS, SCOTT STAINED GLASS NEWS " Go ahead and deny these are your exact words and i'll post your email for all to see. Could it be that you only like a product if they pay you 500.00 for a 1"x1" ad ? We don't need to advertise to sell our disks they sell themselves due to their superiority over products like your news paper patterns. Further more I suggest you look up the word LIBEL. The below letter you posted and is now on record is so full of lies and statements you can not prove, you are setting your company and yourself up for a defamation of character suit that could cost you alot of money. I suggest if you have anything ligitimate to say, try to be professional about it and contact me personally and stop tring to plug your paper patterns buy insulting our superior product. The bottom line is WE ARE STILL HERE AND SELLING PATTERN DISKS TO ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THEIR CAPABILITIES. AND IF WE WERE DOING ANYTHING ILLEAGLE SOMEONE COULD STOP US AND I WOULDN'T BE WORKING 10 HOURS A DAY FILLING ORDERS, ALOT OF WHICH ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT MORE DISKS AFTER THEY HAVE TRIED THEM. Craig Hackney HACKNEY DESIGNS Do not order any of the disks from Hackney Designs. >>After several rather curt emails to him about 8 weeks >>after I sent my check, I did receive 2 of the disks but >>I still have not received my full order of 3 disks...the >>last I knew the man claimed he was too busy filling >>large orders to bother with mine. Incidentally, the two >>disks that I did receive are basically copies of designs >>already published in pattern books. Infact, I had >>already made several suncatchers of the exact same >>patterns. If he doesn't own the copyrights to them, >>he could be in deep sh**. > >I agree with the above advice: Do NOT order any disks from Hackney Designs. >Many (perhaps all... I'm not sure) of the patterns on his disks are copied >from published pattern books. He does NOT own the copyrights to these designs >and is not licensed to use them. > >The fact that he is trying to sell these disks that include designs that he's >scanned/copied out of published pattern books was brought to the attention of >virtually every major publisher in the industry (including myself) at the >industry trade show last month. He has already been approached by attorneys >of some of the publishers, and undoubtedly has heard from more since the >show. (FYI, his initial response was "I'm not selling other designers' >copyrighted patterns... I'm just selling the disks." Huh?!?!) If Mr. Hackney >is still trying to do business, I can't imagine he will for very much longer. >He's been caught and doesn't have a leg to stand on. > >On behalf of all the designers and publishers whose patterns have been copied >by Hackney Designs, please don't support this "business" (I'm obviously using >this term loosely). Based on the previous posts about this guy's operation >and poor service, it sounds like not only is he breaking the law, he's also >not very good at it. Please avoid Hackney Designs. > >>(Have you ever had a proper look at these pattern book >>designs?? They are cobbled togethers by commercial >>technical drawers, who themselves have never ever >>got their fingers cut by a piece of glass/ have no idea >>(really) of what WORKS) in stained glass and what >>does not. > >Based on this post by Elisabeth 'n Toby, it sounds like she/they perhaps >don't have access in the U.K. to many of the well designed pattern books we >have available here in the U.S. Sure there's some "schlock" out there... and >sure, there are many books that appeal to only a small share of the glass >hobbyist market... but there are plenty of books with attractive, well >designed patterns that even a novice would be able to make without any >trouble. In case you're interested, every one of our (SGN Publishing) books >has been designed by glass artists who cut their fingers (and other body >parts) on glass frequently. And the artists are pretty proud of the work >they've "cobbled together" and made available to hobbyists via our pattern >books. > >In conclusion (as I prepare to step down from my soapbox), I'd just like to >encourage those looking for ideas to ignore Hackney Designs, and visit your >local glass supplier. Not only will you probably find about 15 new books that >were announced last month, you'll also find plenty of "old classics" on their >bookshelves. And (*stop reading now if you want to avoid a shameless plug*) >watch for the new issue of Stained Glass News at your local supplier around >the first of September! > >Enjoy the rest of your summer (the Christmas gift making season will be upon >you soon!), > >Scott >Stained Glass News >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 09:38:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unp8A-0000Yca; Tue, 6 Aug 96 09:37 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Craig Hackney Subject: Re: responce to scott Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug6.23312.0> References: <<199608061520.IAA14441@mail.cdsnet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Craig: Can we have peace? I saw the promotion in Stained Glass News and plan to order the pattern disks. As everyone knows, each person has to evaluate the patterns on the merits of how the product satisfies them or not. So in spite of everything, my curiosity is aroused and I have to see for myself whether the patterns have merit or not. The fact that you took time to produce and share the product is commendable and appreciated. You certainly have shown that this may be the wave of the future. Certainly anyone wanting to make their own patterns have only to use an opaque projector or an overhead projector. Both tried and true means of transforming patterns and pictures. PJ from CA. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 10:27:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unpuO-0000eKa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 10:27 PDT X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: Kathe McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 10:36:04 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.10364.0> References: <<9608051452.AA15283@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Office of Curricular Support Precedence: bulk Well, Elizabeth, I have to say, that after reading your message about the trip to Chartres, my mind's been racing! Wow. Could I do it? Not sure, but you sure have me thinking about it. What a thoughtful idea to plan and organize...and wouldn't it be FUN to get together with a bunch of folks we've never met who have something in common? Wine and glass....two of my favorites. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 11:21:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unqk3-0000iIa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:20 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 14:17:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.101726.0> References: <<32075E75@smtp>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk karenro wrote: > > Hi All! > > I have been reading your e-mails in silence for the past 6 monthes. Now > your into a subject I'm interested in Patterns. I have been looking at the > pattern book that Delphi has. Could anyone recommend any books worth buying. > I do want to design some patterns but I would like some reference books. > See I have never done stained glass, in the early spring I paid for a class > for my husband to take. He is going to teach me this fall. So that is why I > would like to start with pattern books before I design patterns I would like > to learn the craft. I would like a book with 3-D village patterns if there > are any.And some with angels and just all around good stuff. Any help in this > area would be appraciated. > > thanks in advance > > Karen Roberts There are 4 books I would recommend to beginners, Simply Lamps by Suzanne Cooper, Simply Flowers by Suzanne Cooper, Bevel Boutique by Suzanne Cooper, and Sentimental Favorites by Carolyn Kyle. These are four that I just happen to have on hand, and could look through. I'm sure there are many others that are nice also. I think both these designers take their time to think out the designs, and make sure the cuts are cuttable and the designs are realistic and designed well. Anyone else have any favorites? Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 12:07:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unqk3-0000iIa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 11:20 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 14:17:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug6.101726.0> References: <<32075E75@smtp>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk karenro wrote: > > Hi All! > > I have been reading your e-mails in silence for the past 6 monthes. Now > your into a subject I'm interested in Patterns. I have been looking at the > pattern book that Delphi has. Could anyone recommend any books worth buying. > I do want to design some patterns but I would like some reference books. > See I have never done stained glass, in the early spring I paid for a class > for my husband to take. He is going to teach me this fall. So that is why I > would like to start with pattern books before I design patterns I would like > to learn the craft. I would like a book with 3-D village patterns if there > are any.And some with angels and just all around good stuff. Any help in this > area would be appraciated. > > thanks in advance > > Karen Roberts There are 4 books I would recommend to beginners, Simply Lamps by Suzanne Cooper, Simply Flowers by Suzanne Cooper, Bevel Boutique by Suzanne Cooper, and Sentimental Favorites by Carolyn Kyle. These are four that I just happen to have on hand, and could look through. I'm sure there are many others that are nice also. I think both these designers take their time to think out the designs, and make sure the cuts are cuttable and the designs are realistic and designed well. Anyone else have any favorites? Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 15:32:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unued-0000dFa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:31 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: response to Scott Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:27:17 -0400 Message-ID: <960806162716_593719954@emout15.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This discussion of Hackney Design disks has gotten out of hand and I'd first like to apologize to the list for being a part of it. Unfortunately, there's been so much misinformation, that I'd simply like to pass along the facts as I know them at this point in time... then I PROMISE not to discuss this issue on the list anymore: For those who care to believe me, here are the facts: * Yes, I've been aware of Craig's disks since last April. What was brought to my attention at the trade show was the fact that the disks contain other people's designs, used without their permission (sorry if this wasn't clear originally). * Stained Glass News (and whether Craig advertises in it) has NOTHING to do with this issue. (And no, we don't charge $500 per square inch... that was a "bit" of an exaggeration on Craig's part.) * SGN Publishing (our pattern book publishing division) definitely DOES have something to do with this issue, since we are one of several publishers whose patterns are used on the disks. * Craig suggested I contact him personally. I HAVE contacted him personally (regarding the legality issue). Craig opted to respond to this list, but not to the issue, or to me personally (to date). * Craig DID sell hundreds of disks to a mail order company (as noted in a previous post). The disks were returned (because of the legality question), and as of this morning, the company is waiting for new disks that DON'T include other designers' copyrighted patterns. Another important fact: * Having patterns and images that you can manipulate on your computer is a great idea. (I'm as much of a computer geek as the next person!) I can see where scanning in your own designs and playing with them would be a lot of fun. And if Craig was selling original designs for you to use this way, I'd be congratulating him. But he's not... Perhaps Craig has found a legal loophole that allows him to sell other people's copyrighted designs without their permission. He mentioned that some of his patterns... > qualify as "independent creations" under the US COPYRIGHT ACT. Maybe that's got something to do with it. Perhaps he'll explain it to me someday. My feeling is that even if it is "legal," it's also still unethical (and creates bad karma!) In the meantime, I'm sure all of you folks here on the mailing list are getting sick and tired of this whole issue (I know I am!). I appreciate your patience and encourage you to use the information here (and from Craig) to make your own decisions as to whether you want to purchase the Hackney Design disks (with the content that's on them at this point). I'm sure some of you will... and some of you won't. And I'm sure we'll hear from Craig again, too. Perhaps he will keep us posted if he "updates" his disks with new content. That's all... I'm done talking about this. Craig can have the last word... he's welcome to it. Scott SGN Publishing ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 15:32:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unueZ-0000N4a; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:31 PDT X-Path: intran.xerox.com!liz From: liz@intran.xerox.com (Liz Lynch) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglas Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:07:57 PDT Message-ID: <9608062007.AA03058@moose.intran.xerox.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Many thanks to all for their ideas on Plexiglas. I must admit that I was not surprised that my attempt to cut it using an old glass cutter was not successful, but I am a firm believer in trying anything once. I'll also admit that using an electric kitchen knife didn't cross my mind...frankly I never thought that using any form of saw would cut it either. I have only a short-box saw and a very old coping saw, no band saw. The scrap piece I have is thin, under 1/8", so I'm going to give Tim's method of taping/multiple-scoring/breaking a try. I have nothing to loose. I'll also scope out the hardware store near my house and see if they have a plexiglas cutter, cheep, that would work to make just these few cuts. If the result is not good I may just can the entire idea and replace the current glass with screen. The blasted birds clean out the feeder in a day anyway. Best Regards to all! Liz. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 15:36:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unuim-0000R0a; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:12:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199608062140.WAA13777@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all Thanks for your input Jerry re prices. You are quite right. One of my students had bought one of the simpler sun catcher pattern books last May, brought it to show me. There was hardly change out of stlg10.... Am totally green with envy over prices in the US, that I am only now beginning to be able to compare. It makes importing myself so much better sense, especially if I can then also buy for my students. I received Delphi's Catalogue only the other week from Stephanie. She's got some great things covered. When autumn is up and running, I will definitely go to her with my first import order... Another example; one of my "occasional" suppliers in the UK kept a simple line of 75W soldering iron, no bells & whistles. He charged stlg53 plus VAT for this line, whereas another popular exact equivalent iron elsewhere cost stlg23-28. It was only when I warned my students not to buy tools from this supplier, that he started dropping his price down to about stlg30. Thanks again Jerry. Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 15:36:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unuiz-0000kYa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:12:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199608062140.WAA13779@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, The Disney design people you mentioned, I think are based in Hamburg, Germany and called "Glas Design". Their books are available "across the Pond" too, priced at approx. UK Sterling 10 (but this is trade within the so called European Community, where there are supposed to be no price barriers and everybody can compete with everybody else. We are now entering the realms of politics, so I will say no more - on principle (I am a neutral, peace loving Swede!!)) Spectrum glass: We can get Spectrum glass made in Belgium or Germany; US spectrum glass only very rarely and then at a much greater price. Belgian spectrum glass is currently priced at approx. UK Sterling 3.75/sq.ft. (You work that one out!!) in the paler colours. There is very little UK manufactured glass for the stained glass industry (Oliver Cromwell destroyed not only the churches but anything to do with stained glass manufacture as well). There is even less UK "home-grown" publ;ications about stained glass, reference books or (as I somewhat heatedly pointed out) stained glass pattern books. For some of the "reference books" I have acquired over the years, I have paid anything up to UK Sterling 50 - 60 (as I said - some years ago). Today, even an exhibition catalogue when you attend an exhibition, costs anything between UK Sterling 20 - 40. (As I found out attending the William Morris exhibition at the V & A Museum a couple of weeks ago). It's a lot of money, when the take-home pay is quite low in comparison! Normally for a reasonable range of standard colours and textures of glass, you can expect to pay over here about UK Sterling 5 - 7 /sq.ft Anything in red or cobalt blues, your starting price is about UK Sterling 10/ sq.ft. ... and, of course, US has had a Health & Safety Scare about "reds" in these last 18 months. The only other producer is Poland (they don't worry so much about health & Safety!) But their supply is erratic and expensive. (Monona? What IS the picture about manufacturing glass with gold oxides in the US now??) Don't you think I'm green with envy at the prices you pay for books, tools, glass, materials "Over There"!!!! Not only do we have to pay a lot more, but what we can buy is so much worse in quality (pattern books being one of my pet-hates!! Ed Sibbett in particular, because I think he "pollutes" my students!!). Hey guys, I am about to come buying from you "Over There".... Mike, I hope I sort of filled in the picture for you a little bit better. ?? Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 15:37:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unuip-0000bxa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:12:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199608062140.WAA13781@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all, I have no intention of "re-hashing" the Hackney vs Eiszler story other than to say that news like this is not good news, but it is something we all ought to know about. Hence, personally I appreciate the opportunity to share in it. Secondly, Thank you Scott (Stained Glass News) for your input. Our access (in the UK) is in deed much more limited (as Jerry also indicated). And what we do get, is pretty poor, as well as very expensive. I would love to hear other comments from other European countries. What are their experience?? Even though I have been involved with glass and stained glass for longer than I care to specify, it's only in the last 6 months (i.e. since my access to Internet) that I am gradually finding a different world out there at my feet to explore. Quite a culture shock!! (As is for me - just computers!) A couple of weeks ago, I visited an exhibition at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London showing all aspects of the life & work of William Morris. He was a British architect, publisher, textile/wall paper designer, social reformer, as well as a stained glass designer. I was quite amused to realize that in his stained glass studios, he would use the same face, figure and design for making stained glass minstrels (shove a lute, a wind instrument into the hands), or an angel (take away the wind instrument, shove some wings on and plant a harp between the hands) But the figure was exactly the same, time and time again. Commercial yes, but I still cringed a bit.... All the best and thanks again. Elisabeth. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 16:38:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unvgy-0000fZa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 16:37 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vetinary Symbol Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:40:19 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Dear Sue, >Can you hang on until next Friday?? Am having dinner with >my "family Vet". In his free time he >sculptures animals in clay, wood and occasionaly stone.; his wife is >Swedish and >is a painter. Have known >them for about 20 years. He is the senior partner in one of th larger >Vetinary hospitals in the UK. I'll get the vetinary symbol from him >- if it kills me. (i.e I'll flatter my eye-lids ever so slightly...) >OK?? >Hang on in there. >Elisabeth No problem. Laura won't graduate until May, 2000. I can wait a few days . Do all vets create animals??? Laura draws awesome reptiles. Anyway, thanks in advance. Yup, friends is definitely better! And BTW, hope dinner is fun and good. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 17:08:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unwAU-0000Esa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:08 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:21:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3207D382.6CE6@mars.superlink.net> References: <<199608062140.WAA13779@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi Mike, > The Disney design people you mentioned, I think are based in Hamburg, > Germany and called "Glas Design". Their books are available "across > the Pond" too, priced at approx. UK Sterling 10 (but this is trade > within the so called European Community, where there are supposed to > be no price barriers and everybody can compete with everybody else. > We are now entering the realms of politics, so I will say no more - > on principle (I am a neutral, peace loving Swede!!)) > Spectrum glass: We can get Spectrum glass made in Belgium or Germany; > US spectrum glass only very rarely and then at a much greater price. > Belgian spectrum glass is currently priced at approx. UK Sterling > 3.75/sq.ft. (You work that one out!!) in the paler colours. > There is very little UK manufactured glass for the stained glass > industry (Oliver Cromwell destroyed not only the churches but > anything to do with stained glass manufacture as well). There is even > less UK "home-grown" publ;ications about stained glass, reference books > or (as I somewhat heatedly pointed out) stained glass pattern books. > For some of the "reference books" I have acquired over the years, I > have paid anything up to UK Sterling 50 - 60 (as I said - some years > ago). > Today, even an exhibition catalogue when you attend an exhibition, > costs anything between UK Sterling 20 - 40. (As I found out > attending the William Morris exhibition at the V & A Museum a couple > of weeks ago). It's a lot of money, when the take-home pay is quite > low in comparison! > Normally for a reasonable range of standard colours and textures of > glass, you can expect to pay over here about UK Sterling 5 - 7 /sq.ft > Anything in red or cobalt blues, your starting price is about UK > Sterling 10/ sq.ft. ... and, of course, US has had a Health & > Safety Scare about "reds" in these last 18 months. The only other > producer is Poland (they don't worry so much about health & Safety!) > But their supply is erratic and expensive. (Monona? What IS the > picture about manufacturing glass with gold oxides in the US now??) > > Don't you think I'm green with envy at the prices you pay for books, > tools, glass, materials "Over There"!!!! Not only do we have to pay a > lot more, but what we can buy is so much worse in quality (pattern > books being one of my pet-hates!! Ed Sibbett in particular, because I > think he "pollutes" my students!!). > Hey guys, I am about to come buying from you "Over There".... > Mike, I hope I sort of filled in the picture for you a little bit > better. ?? > Elisabeth > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass neat spectrum has plants other than the US. that's kinda convienent. your story is kinda like tiffany's where, when he started he could only get glass and not very nice glass from europe at really prices, so he made is own. i guess one solution is to have a vacation in the US and buy up a bunch of books and glass and mail it back to your house. :) ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 17:08:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unwAd-00001wa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:08 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:49:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199608070017.BAA23785@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ssssshhhhh Kathe, Quiet now,,, bend your ear verrrryyyy quietly my way. I won't say a thing, a single word to anyone It's totally a seeeecret between you and mee. zzzzzzzz....... Why the hell should you not treat yourself to a trip to Europe and Chartres next Easter. ....Of course you can..... The bbbooooozzzeee, gently getting you into Dream-Land (or pissed out of your mind..??), the invigorating, inspiring company of ME ( i.e. a boring old fart??), the romantic sound of a French accordian (i.e an old wind-bag??) SorryI just couldn't resist...... The project is serious; it's for real. I have planned a number of stained glass visits before, but inside the UK. This is the first "abroad Excursion" I am trying to get off the ground. The injection of US forces would be the icing on the cake for me. I do know that some of you are planning European visits next year. Hence my posting. Having college kids is no easy task, but you got to establish a "life on your own" as well. The kids will respect you more for it.("Sorry Jane/Jonathan, you just have to take on an extra holiday job, because I cannot pay your entire fee this semester. I am planning a trip to Europe to feed MY artistic creativity [ which pays your fees in the first place!!]) Don't allow the Kids to rule your entire life!!! They do, but they must not..... Why Easter?? It's a time where everybody by rights can take time off, we can even feign a Christianity that we do not necessarily feel, but if we ARE, it is respected. Moreover, it's the time of year when winter changes into spring and the weather here in Europe is more clemant and kind. Here in Europe Nature really starts to get exiting. Another aspect; I am trying to accommodate for MY own "clutch of chicks" at Univeristy, studying stained glass. It's also their Easter break. Some of them are in their 30's & 40's, being students for the first or second time round. They get special student concessions.. An Easter break like this won't eat into their scheduled lectures Also, the College who is"fronting" this entire project for me, feel that they can capture enough interested participants to make it worth THEIR while. Imagine THEIR exitement when I tell them that we have to stop at Paris Orly/ Charles de Gaulle Airport to pick up an additional 3-4-5-6-??? gang from the the USA who are joining us. I hate having to admit that the Manager of the College is a born & bred American. She is pint-sized, but "jeeez" is she dynamic. She has got breadth, vision and ambition for a little College out in the sticks in "little Ole' Britain" and I have a lot of time for her and her ideas. If you have the slightest "inkling" of wanting to come, do at least tell me. Tell me also of any practical/financial obstacle. I am determined that it will "happen" and that we will have a "ball" You "across the Pond" may have cheaper books, tools refrences, I hope we - in turn can give you pointers on cheap bargains as regards US flights from you to UK (or Europe). We can't afford these prizes, but we believe that you are in a better financial position .... I would love to meet you in Paris next Easter..... What about Easter Pilgrims??? Oh yes, we will have to resepct them and their right to meditation. But they too have a lot to teach us, if we are prepared to listen. We want to "oogle" stained glass,, sure. the pilgrims will ADD to our experience, if anything. Thank you PJ for your input (Mary - have I answered your question??) PJ: WHERE is the glass in San Chappelle???? I Is San Chappelle the name of the church or the name of a town (haven't come across it - hence question. I know France pretty well.) Tell me more!!! I am knackered. Enough for toniight. Over and out. Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 17:47:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unwm1-0000P0a; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:46 PDT X-Path: cdsnet.net!hackney From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Our 1/2 off Apologies ! Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: <199608070046.RAA10583@mail.cdsnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Fellow Glass Artists: Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. Therefore we at Hackney Designs would like to make it easier for everyone to decide for themselves if they like our product by offering anyone who has had to put up with this ridiculous conversation, OVER HALF OFF the regular price of 10.99 per disk and offer as many disks as you would like for 5.00 each. I hope you enjoy them and find them useful and fun. Weather you do or not, please keep it to youself. No one wants to hear it anymore! I will no longer respond to anyone's false facts or statements on this group. The group's intent should be to help each other not a platform to launch personal vicious attacks! So everyone enjoy, be creative and have fun. And take advantage of this one time offer of 5.00 per disk. Just write GLASSBUNGI anywhere on your order to receive this discount for the rest of August. Sorry to have wasted so much of your time, I only responded when I was asked to by Mr. Albert Lewis a man whom I like and respect for his experience and honesty. Thanks Everyone, Craig Hackney Hackney Designs ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 17:50:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unwoh-0001ZNa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 17:49 PDT X-Path: genie.com!t.mccomb From: t.mccomb@genie.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass Software Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 00:25:00 UTC 0000 Message-ID: <199608070049.AA275148947@relay1.geis.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reply: Item #5970834 from GLASS@BUNGI.COM@INET01# Gee Craig- with customer service like that, it's amazing you still get any orders. -Tom {8:01 pm} Tuesday, August 6, 1996 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 18:08:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unx5g-0001ZPa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 18:07 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: response to Scott Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:48:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199608070116.CAA26478@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Scott!! Hold your horses!!! We need people like you. Don't get yout knickers in a twist. I need some sleep; it's been a long day and I am only in the UK. You make sense and I want to put my "oar" into ths situation. We hear what you say; it's fair and does need furthher commentories.Where have YOU been this last 12 months???? Everybody deserves a fair hearing... Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 18:08:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unx5g-0000ZGa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 18:07 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vetinary Symbol Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:48:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199608070116.CAA26476@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Sue, Thanks. You are a treasure!! Make me chuckle!!!Food: burps, fa.'@%3 s to follow on Saturday. If I got too pi$$$$&*d, then only on Sunday. Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 18:48:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0unxjN-0000VTa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 18:48 PDT X-Path: SNET.Net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglas Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:36:45 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB83DF.64510E80@nwhn02-sh2-port118.snet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB83DF.6472A040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Liz, I bought mine in Home Depot for about 3-4 dollars. If You can't find = one , e-mail me and I will get one for you and send it by way of snail = mail. Tim [SMPT:tbyrnes@snet.net] ---------- From: Liz Lynch[SMTP:liz@intran.xerox.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 1996 4:07 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglas Many thanks to all for their ideas on Plexiglas. I must admit that I was not surprised that my attempt to cut it using an old glass cutter was = not successful, but I am a firm believer in trying anything once. I'll also admit that using an electric kitchen knife didn't cross my = mind...frankly I never thought that using any form of saw would cut it either. I have=20 only a short-box saw and a very old coping saw, no band saw. The scrap piece I have is thin, under 1/8", so I'm going to give Tim's method of taping/multiple-scoring/breaking a try. I have nothing to = loose. I'll also scope out the hardware store near my house and see if they = have a plexiglas cutter, cheep, that would work to make just these few cuts. If the result is not good I may just can the entire idea and replace the current glass with screen. The blasted birds clean out the feeder in a=20 day anyway. Best Regards to all! 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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:22:39 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug7.82239.0> References: <<199608070046.RAA10583@mail.cdsnet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm interested in purchasing your patterns on disc. I've never heard of you and your company before so I'm very willing to try and am looking forward to using these in my work. Do you have a catalog for me to look at and decide which ones I'd be interested in? Please let me know soon. Thanks for the offer and taking your time to answer me. Mary Austin diamonds@juno.com On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:46:48 -0700 hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) writes: >Fellow Glass Artists: > Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. Therefore we >at Hackney Designs would like to make it easier for everyone to >decide for themselves if they like our product by offering anyone >who has had to put up with this ridiculous conversation, OVER HALF OFF >the regular price of 10.99 per disk and offer as many disks as you >would >like for 5.00 each. I hope you enjoy them and find them useful >and fun. Weather you do or not, please keep it to youself. No one >wants to hear it anymore! I will no longer respond to anyone's false >facts or statements on this group. The group's intent should be to >help each other not a platform to launch personal vicious attacks! >So everyone enjoy, be creative and have fun. And take advantage of >this one time offer of 5.00 per disk. Just write GLASSBUNGI anywhere >on your order to receive this discount for the rest of August. >Sorry to have wasted so much of your time, I only responded when I >was asked to by Mr. Albert Lewis a man whom I like and respect for >his experience and honesty. >Thanks Everyone, >Craig Hackney >Hackney Designs > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 22:36:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uo1Hj-0000XDa; Tue, 6 Aug 96 22:35 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass News Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:32:41 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug7.83241.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I'm disables and it's hard for me to get out and about. I have a request and hope someone can and is willing to help me out. There is only one stained glass supplier within distance for me to get to and they don't carry stained glass news. I've been unable to get this newsletter for about a year now. I'm very interested in recieving it and any back issues someone might have available.I miss not having the patterns in them and the updating articles. If anyone has these and would be willing to send or fax them to me I'd appreciate it and would be willing to pay for any mailing costs for this service. I'm fairly new to stained glass as I've only been doing it for 2 years and find this newsletter to be very helpful. I'd appreciate anyone who could help me out. Thanks in advance and I look forward to hearing from you. Mary Austin 801 Merry Ln. Greenwood, IN 46142 317-885-7768 317-888-2548 fax diamonds@juno.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 6 23:20:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uo1y7-0000V9a; Tue, 6 Aug 96 23:19 PDT X-Path: wport.com!Trigley From: Trigley@wport.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: 6 Aug 1996 23:31:08 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends, If I may contribute my two cents worth about the issues surrounding some topics discussed recently: Thin Plexiglas (1/8") and Lexan may both readily be "cut" by scoring and bending, pretty similarly to glass, except that a good score in these plastic materials is best achieved by use of a tool specifically designed for that purpose, a knife-like device but with a hooked tip, one that is intended to be pulled, and creates a trench by a plowing and excavating action.Such a tool may typically be had for a few dollars at a plastics dealer. It is very difficult to get as good a score line by dragging a regular knife tip, because it doesn't usually excavate any plastic as it goes, but simply wedges it up a bit. (The score made by a glass cutter on glass results from the abrupt release of pressure as the wheel rolls along; the score appears because the glass is too brittle to handle its own rebound.) As for retaining strength at low temperatures, the Lexan is very superior to the Plexiglas; I have had 1-liter jars made of polycarbonate (Lexan) fall 4 feet to the floor from out of a -80 degree Celsius freezer. These were jars filled with water and human bone for transplantation, and were frozen very solidly, but instead of breaking, they just bounced as if they were superballs and suffered no harm. An acrylic (Plexiglas) jar would have broken into a hundred pieces. (Seen it.) On another subject, I would like for more people to develop and execute their own original designs in their glass projects. I know that initially looking at one's own work can feel like a first visit to a nude beach, but there is no other way to communicate with the rest of us the richness and uniqueness within. Ted Rigley, trigley@wport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 08:30:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoAYj-0000jCa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:30 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vetinary Symbol Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:43:20 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Dear Sue, >Thanks. You are a treasure!! Make me chuckle!!!Food: burps, fa.'@%3 s to >follow on Saturday. If I got too pi$$$$&*d, then only on Sunday. >Elisabeth Ok, so I'm not getting ready for work...I'll rush like crazy in a few minutes I thought you might like to know about Scott and why he may not have spoken up before. He just sold a beautiful stained glass shop about 90 minutes from me and is the publisher of Stained Glass News, a magazine that comes out about 6 times per year. It is available for free in stained glass shops. It is always interesting, top quality and comes with a free pattern. He has also published pattern books that are top quality too and apparently has more in the works. So he may have wanted to stay quiet so he doesn't appear to be pushing his merchandize. I think I may have met him when in his store (I had to take my 3 Shelties to a specialized vet in his area so spent several hours in his store one day) but am not positive. If he is the one I am thinking of, he is probably in his 20s. Everyone in the store was just as nice as could be. I was really impressed. Now I really have to get my butt in gear and get ready for work (is 'butt in gear' part of the King's English - if not, it means time has run out and one must act immediately). Take care! Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 08:34:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoAbn-0000bWa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:33 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:57:30 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB843E.78137340@qa02.memach.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If I can be so bold... I'd like to see y'all's experience with different glasses. What's easy to work with? What a real bite? I finished cutting out and grinding my third project last night, a railroad lantern, and I noticed that the red glass (a friend gave me for the globe) cut like cookie dough and needed very little grinding. What a dream. The grey swirl for the body, on the other hand, seemed to have soft and hard spots as I was scoring and I even felt them as I was grinding - like the grain in wood. There really is a difference. As a beginner, what should I stay away? Is there a nice manufacturer with nice color and texture selections that I can handle? Thanks in advance. Linda "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission." Admiral Grace Hopper Linda Campbell / lcbell@memach.com / (804) 543-6801, ext. 304 I don't speak for Metro Machine - nor they for me. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B ,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S]QXH=8[UH1S[O@`-T!%97(```> M`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!````$@```&QC8F5L;$!M96UA8V@N M8V]M`````P`&$*K?^6<#``<0Q (``!X`"! !````90```$E&24-!3D)%4T]" M3TQ$241,24M%5$]3145904Q,4T584$52245.0T57251(1$E&1D5214Y41TQ! M4U-%4U=(051314%3651/5T]22U=)5$@_5TA!5$%214%,0DE413])1DE.25,` M`````@$)$ $```"*`P``A@,``#8%``!,6D9UQ[@)VO\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,` M4 +R"0(`8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P)S=&5M`H,SMP+D!Q," M@S0#QA3%?0J BPC/"=D[%S\R-34"@ <*@0VQ"V!N9S$P,R\44 L*%%$+\F,- MX"!)$F8<$"!C`Y%B92#,' &<0GPAF,

0 M:"X@5Q& =!^R(:!Y51[B=P6P:R"#/R(#(+QA(!= !T -L!Z +=!R(K!['J "0&PND2=U(?0C M\63U)"%M(?!4+H(70"*P`^'.<@,@+C8&X&1Y*: "(/\L(RMP)B %P!& )S I MH!\A_P> *\$<\!& +=$@'-P*W $("&@'$&^=SBA!/ %L":B M*P1E+=!K`Z A$&PL$VTXF"=G+?<>E3.#"W$@/0$C``1P'7WW,W$70"03;"*P M! `RTB#UVR!@(?!!/W(2.027\$(#7"', D``,`(&$#@77Z9@#0= AP->$@DT.C%K-[)Q,3T'A$8A\1 M,< HT&F_`B!#`B/1'%0V$C' /SV^W0!P:P0@/0$J0'8`<$ Q/1V,3">!) !+ M@!V,(DG_(D4(D1[B(: C,"XR+C% X'\Z(0>01Q,]$05 /V$>\6A+L!0 `(,&!7,$%>A+L!'@`]``$````!`````````/)U ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 08:34:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoAbr-0000c4a; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:33 PDT X-Path: intran.xerox.com!liz From: liz@intran.xerox.com (Liz Lynch) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Cutting Plexiglas Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:30:51 PDT Message-ID: <9608071330.AA00505@moose.intran.xerox.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Again, thanks to everyone. I hear those of you that are pitching the superiority of Lexan. If I were going to purchase the material for this project I would look at Lexan. However, I'm using some scrap material and it happens to be Plexiglas, and thank god it does not get to -80 here. -15 is very usual, -30 happens once (more or less) each winter. Greater then -30 does not happen too often. On the positive side, we Minnesotans have some of the longest life expectancies in the United States! (or does it just FEEL like it?) Tim you are too kind to offer to snail-mail me a plexiglas cutter. We very recently had Builders Square close up all their stores and Home Depot is moving into the Twin Cities area. I think I'll visit Home Depot this weekend and see what they have to offer. Stay Cool! Liz. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 08:35:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoAcK-0000bba; Wed, 7 Aug 96 08:33 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Supplies in UK Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 06:58:17 -0700 Message-ID: <199608071358.GAA21367@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't understand why patterns, supplies and glass are so expensive and difficult to find in the UK. Isn't Europe where this craft came from in the first place? If I remember right, most of our great artists originated from that continent. No one teaches art there anymore?? Is it forbidden to create stained glass patterns?? Why do they need to import?? Surely something that happened over 300 years ago in religious history couldn't affect this craft now, could it?? Sorry for my naivete. Did I miss something in my history lessons?? Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 09:11:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoBCF-0000jYa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 09:10 PDT X-Path: max.state.ia.us!jwhite From: jwhite@max.state.ia.us (jwhite) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:13:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960807111634.20ffe6bc@max.state.ia.us> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I find there's nothing as unpredictable as glass. One day the amber piece I am trying to cut is a pain to work with and I can't get a decent cut at all. A day later, it cuts like butter. I think it depends a lot on the temp of the room and the glass. Also on how tense I am. If I go into work on glass feeling anxious I have a much more difficult time at it. For what it's worth, my favorite glass is anything fibrant red. I have had red water glass shatter in my hand one day and the next cut just fine. What does anyone else think? At 08:57 AM 8/7/96 -0400, you wrote: >If I can be so bold... > >I'd like to see y'all's experience with different glasses. What's easy to >work with? What a real bite? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 10:20:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoCFV-0000pBa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:18 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:16:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug7.9161.0> References: <<01BB843E.78137340@qa02.memach.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > If I can be so bold... > > I'd like to see y'all's experience with different glasses. What's easy to > work with? What a real bite? > > I finished cutting out and grinding my third project last night, a railroad > lantern, and I noticed that the red glass (a friend gave me for the globe) > cut like cookie dough and needed very little grinding. What a dream. The > grey swirl for the body, on the other hand, seemed to have soft and hard > spots as I was scoring and I even felt them as I was grinding - like the > grain in wood. > > There really is a difference. As a beginner, what should I stay away? Is > there a nice manufacturer with nice color and texture selections that I can > handle? > > Thanks in advance. > > Linda > > "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission." > Admiral Grace Hopper > > Linda Campbell / lcbell@memach.com / (804) 543-6801, ext. 304 > I don't speak for Metro Machine - nor they for me. > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah different companies have their own types of glass. Spectrum - good beginner glass, easy to cut, gring and foil. it has a uniform thickness, and is very easy to score. Wissmach - (pronounced Wiz-mack) is more difficult to score and break. it's ok to grind, and easy to foil. Armstrong - easy to score most colors, easy to foil, ok to grind. Kokomo - ok to score, ok to grind, easy to foil. just watch out for ripple glass, when you break it the glass always has a razor sharp 'flare' on it. Yougogeny - (probably spelled wrong - pronounced Yucka-gainy) - the ones i cut were real easy to score, and it broke pretty evenly as well, grinding it there might be a few hard spots. Wasser - (meant for fusing) cuts like butter, breaks even easier, but you'll have to use a thin foil. Uroboros - not a real friendly glass, some spots it scores ok some not, some of there glass is pretty brittle. not a great grinding glass, and depending on texture difficult to foil. Bullseye - hav'nt worked with it alot, could'nt really tell ya. Desag - scores ok, but has varying thickness, the cutter tends to wander. grinding is a little tougher, foiling is ok. Semi-Antique - easy cutting, grinding, foiling. Antique - glass varies to much, usally easy to score, but may be difficult to break. thickness can be more than a 1/4" on one side to paper thin on the other. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 10:28:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoCNY-0000qHa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:26 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:24:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug7.92426.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19960807111634.20ffe6bc@max.state.ia.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk jwhite wrote: > > I find there's nothing as unpredictable as glass. One day the amber piece I > am trying to cut is a pain to work with and I can't get a decent cut at all. > A day later, it cuts like butter. I think it depends a lot on the temp of > the room and the glass. Also on how tense I am. If I go into work on glass > feeling anxious I have a much more difficult time at it. > > For what it's worth, my favorite glass is anything fibrant red. I have had > red water glass shatter in my hand one day and the next cut just fine. > > What does anyone else think? > > At 08:57 AM 8/7/96 -0400, you wrote: > >If I can be so bold... > > > >I'd like to see y'all's experience with different glasses. What's easy to > >work with? What a real bite? > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass umm, whats fibrant red? tempture does have something to do with it, as i understand it, it should be warmer. kind of like putting a candy bar in the freezer, then trying to cut it with a knife, not to easy. it also may depend on how someone holds the cutter, if it's 90 degrees to the glass, or if it's sharp, or if there's some lube on it. not enough pressure or too much pressure may be a cause. and of course the glass has got to be squeaky clean, or the glass may to funny things. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 11:04:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoCwt-0000tma; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:03 PDT X-Path: max.state.ia.us!jwhite From: jwhite@max.state.ia.us (jwhite) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:05:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960807130845.20ff74bc@max.state.ia.us> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, that should have been vibrant red, in other words, any piece of glass that is red and glows when held up to the light. I like to see glass glow with light and color. > >umm, whats fibrant red? > >tempture does have something to do with it, as i understand it, it >should be warmer. kind of like putting a candy bar in the freezer, then >trying to cut it with a knife, not to easy. it also may depend on how >someone holds the cutter, if it's 90 degrees to the glass, or if it's >sharp, or if there's some lube on it. not enough pressure or too much >pressure may be a cause. and of course the glass has got to be squeaky >clean, or the glass may to funny things. > >---Mike Savad >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 11:08:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoD1t-0000sBa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:08 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Supplies in UK Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 13:20:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3208D04D.77C7@mars.superlink.net> References: <<199608071358.GAA21367@polaris.pacificnet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kay Allen wrote: > > I don't understand why patterns, supplies and glass are so expensive and > difficult to find in the UK. Isn't Europe where this craft came from in the > first place? If I remember right, most of our great artists originated from > that continent. No one teaches art there anymore?? Is it forbidden to > create stained glass patterns?? Why do they need to import?? Surely > something that happened over 300 years ago in religious history couldn't > affect this craft now, could it?? Sorry for my naivete. Did I miss > something in my history lessons?? > > Kay > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i dunno, stained glass seems to becoming more and more popular as the years go on. not people are making things out of stained glass the was once thought to be in just church windows, and lamps. and the UK thing. i dunno, maybe, because it was where it was started and because of the historics they don't want that to change. or of course they all moved out of the country. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 11:13:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoD6g-0000uEa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:13 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:13:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug7.101316.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, Thanks so much. That's just what I was looking for. I printed, snipped it and put it in my wallet for reference. And, gee, I hadn't even thought about difficulty of foiling but then I'm still in the "flat glass-no ridges" mode. :) Linda begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A(2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S`' ``0```" ```!213H@1F%V;W)I=&4@1VQA ML"@P!0`O()`@!C: K <%0 !P(A!P=05 (C$+@&4=\'D?@6QL$< @0B!-%T!F!) )\&-E M'D!!>R)P'&!G"> <8!]P$8!D)&XG!4!E=@GP('1R: A@9V@B00;@(K%D@0:0 M9FEC=6QT(U#<;V8@00,0(!)B(K$F4-$F(4DG;1W = ,0`R"S(Q$HT2 B&A$% M0&<+8%D$$"UN'> %$&0E('-.(AWP!'$>0#HI'(Q,N0N 9&$ Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoDmT-0000uTa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 11:56 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 14:46:24 EDT Message-ID: <960807.145517.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<01BB843E.78137340@qa02.memach.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The bumpier the surface, the harder it is to cut,'cause your wheel is moving in three dimensions. But it's often worth the extra effort and wasted glass because of spectacular colors and the interest the uneven texture gives it. Run your fingers over the glass. If you can feel the bumps, you'll have to concentrate real hard on your scoring. I hate glasses that are friable (i.e., easily crushed by your pliers). (Don't know manufacturers on these, since I usually come across this in scraps I buy. They are usually lovely - probably out of my usual price range.) Spectrum is, of course, always easy to cut and use, and if you are working with basic colors, a good, economical choice. By the way, has anyone seen Spectrum's psuedo antique yet? (Oh, yeah, "antiques" are wonderful to cut, too, at least all I've ever tried.) -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 12:18:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoE7L-0000fBa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 12:18 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:59:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199608071928.UAA24587@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, Mmmmm! The thought had crossed my mind (coming over with my big shopping list). But, as the saying goes, and pigs may fly.... : '''-( Mind you, nothing is totally impossible, so I'll work on it... After all, I had no faintest idea I would be on the Internet this time last year! Lack of Glass:Interestingly enough, I had a similar conversation with Albert some months back, when I observed that you folks in this century really have made stained glass very much your own thing; it's almost as if you had invented it...And, as you point out, we have Good Old Louis to thank for a great deal, as it ultimately meant that stained glass was rejuvenated "over here" as well. English "reserve" would find it difficult to cope with the more flamboyant designs you folks live with (sedate flowers is more the English taste...). Now and then I get a totally free hand and am allowed to make exactly as I please. Great fun! Still waiting to do the 8 ft ugly Viking with horns on and a longboat under his arm.... (sigh!) Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 15:40:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoHGH-0000fma; Wed, 7 Aug 96 15:39 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug7.143712.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19960807130845.20ff74bc@max.state.ia.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk jwhite wrote: > > Sorry, that should have been vibrant red, in other words, any piece of glass > that is red and glows when held up to the light. I like to see glass glow > with light and color. > > > > >umm, whats fibrant red? > > > >tempture does have something to do with it, as i understand it, it > >should be warmer. kind of like putting a candy bar in the freezer, then > >trying to cut it with a knife, not to easy. it also may depend on how > >someone holds the cutter, if it's 90 degrees to the glass, or if it's > >sharp, or if there's some lube on it. not enough pressure or too much > >pressure may be a cause. and of course the glass has got to be squeaky > >clean, or the glass may to funny things. > > > >---Mike Savad > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ok that makes more sense. colors today all have so many names, it could have been a fibroid red, which i don't think they make yet. and assuming that by glowing you mean something like a solid or opalesent color. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 15:42:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoHJ8-0000jga; Wed, 7 Aug 96 15:42 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 18:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug7.143857.0> References: <<1996Aug7.101316.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Mike, > > Thanks so much. That's just what I was looking for. > I printed, snipped it and put it in my wallet for reference. And, gee, I > hadn't even thought about difficulty of foiling but then I'm still in the > "flat glass-no ridges" mode. :) > > Linda > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah, when you start getting into ripple of various kinds, or drapery, you'll go nuts foiling them let alone breaking them. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 7 18:39:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoK3q-0000dKa; Wed, 7 Aug 96 18:38 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:38:46 -0700 Message-ID: <199608080138.SAA08435@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >Hi all! This question is just on the fringe for this group but since I am >a glass hobbyist I'm not going to feel too guilty about asking...This is not >for a glass project, truth be told it's to replace the glass panels that I >keep breaking, during the winter, in a birdfeeder. Feeling quite proactive >this year I'm trying to fix the problem (does plexiglass break as easy as >window glass at -30?). > >Can anyone give me some helpful hints on cutting plexiglass? I have two >exact rectangles I need to cut (each 4" x 5"). I marked them off, scored them >with my "cheep" class cutter (NOT my good one), then tried to break the line >and it didn't budge. I am gutting from a very piece of scrap (about 2' x 3'). > Yes plexiglass will break. Try using lexan. Either material can be cut with a jig saw. The lexan you can cut with any circular saw. A glass cutter Will not cut plastic. There is a special cutter for plastic which requires repeated scoring. similar to drywall. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 09:01:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoXUO-0000x0a; Thu, 8 Aug 96 08:59 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Copyrighted designs/disk Date: 07 Aug 96 08:25:12 EDT Message-ID: <960807122512_70544.3642_JHD42-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I only responded when I was asked to by Mr. Albert Lewis a man whom I >like and respect for his experience and honesty. Lest anyone think that Hackney and I are in any way in cahoots, I just want to say that, yes: I did alert him to what was being said about his products and service in this public forum, since such comments should be of interest to anyone running a business ... unhappy customers' complaints should be addressed, otherwise they continue to be unhappy and tend to tell everyone else of their unhappiness. Word-of-mouth advertising is the most powerful promotion tool around. "Unadvertising," to coin a word, is just as powerful. But I'll have to admit that I'm deeply shocked ("Shocked! Shocked, I tell you!" [Senator Claghorne Leghorn]) by Hackney's vituperative, defensive tone. When my 14-year-old boy takes that stance, having been accused of one thing or another, I know instantly that the charges are true. Hackney's not a 14-year-old, but my gut feeling isn't good on this one ... something tells me that the old saw, "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time, and annoys the pig," has some truth in it. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 14:36:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uocjc-0000FAa; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:35 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass in the UK Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:16:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199608082145.WAA20264@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Mike, Dear Kay, Dear All, Could I possibly interest you in a miniscule, "potted history" of what happened over here? Perhaps it might help to understand a little better. It's slightly "coloured" by my own irreverant attitude..., never the less valid; Anyone else not interested press "Delete". ... Stained and coloured glass was brought into the UK in the first place via Flemish, Milanese, Florentine, German and Swiss artisans (and some French). The Roman Catholic Church was the largest patron, educational establishments a close second (e.g. Universities) and rich mercants a third one. (Very sweepingly). This happened between the 11th - 13th Century. From that time onwards, stained and coloured glass flourished in Britain. But look at the stained glass at the Universities of Cambridge and Oxford. Mostly you will find it works of Flemish artisans . Britain then developed quite a rich and innovative "own" stained glass industry, their own glass blowing facilities, many unique colour combinations not found elsewhere in Europe and jealously guarded. The patronage of the Roman Catholic Church in respect of stained Glass in Western Europe in the Middle Ages is immense and vital. Enter onto the stage the PROTESTANTS!!!, Luther, Calvin, and the "whole Shebang" !! Politics?? Oh yes, Everybody has to kill everybody else, you have the 30-Year War, The War of Roses, the War of This and the War of That - all because of religion. In the UK, enter the "randy old goat" Henry VIII who doesn't agree with the Pope about divorce. The Result: Christendom in UK as a whole is torn apart, the Roman Catholic Church suffers a dramatic shism and everything Roman Catholic has to be destroyed. It was in England and in the Netherlands (the home of the Flemish) that the anti-catholic reactions were the most violent and strong. Henry is fed up with the Roman Catholic Church in general and the Pope in particular, 'cause he can't marry whom HE wants OR as OFTEN as he wants. So in the 1530's he passed laws to suppress all catholic religious churches, monasteries and - with time - passed further laws ordering all catholic imagery, representations etc. to be totally destroyed. Oliver Cromwell went a step further. The destruction between 1642 - 1653 in Britain was really quite rampant. He destroyed even glass studios. Not only that, but because of religious and political strife in Britain and in Europe it made communication and travelling virtually impossible - meaning: how was one artisan able to get to / comminicate with another one?? No Concorde flights in THOSE days.... An awful lot of "colour recipes" were destroyed and could not be re-constructed, a lot of manuscripts, a lot of text-books, a lot of manuals. What somehow managed to survive through these turbulent years was the art of PAINTING on glass, heraldry, secular themes. The basic recipes for painting was so much more simple (silver stains, outlines and so on). In France you then had the French Revolution that destroyed much of the stained glass art there. The Revival period of stained glass in Europe came with the tentative revival and development of PAINTING on stained glass. You see it in Germany, Switzerland and England - of course. This in a way developed eventually into a conflict between coloured glass and painting on glass, which almost led to the "Second Death" of stained glass as an art form in Britain. Enter the 19th Century - a time of "reconstruction" and the Victorian Age, the Industrial Revolution and showing off that you were "Comfortably Off" and could afford stained glass. In England a chap called Charles Winston was the most important revivalist. He carried out unnumerable chemical experiments to try and re-discover the old recipes to coloured glass. (I just have come across a quote which you "Across the Pond" will be interested in: "In the United States, which in the middle of the 19th Century, was not only producing its own bad glass, but was also importing even worse glass from Europe, the search for quality went astray.." The quote goes on to setting the stage for Tiffany). Iin the UK the search to re-discovering the old colours was so intense that it rather left design, creation and restoration of old stained glass behind. A lot of Victorian "designs" are geometrical shapes in all their variations. The occasional Art Nouveau curve, a flower or two, but hardly "innovative". (The odd exception William Morris and McIntosh and one or two others. Morris was very much in the forefront of an art movement in the UK called "The Arts & Crafts Movement). Back to the historical arena: World War 1, - Recession, - Wall Street "Bang" (which hit hard in the UK too) - the poor 30's; - World War 2. ,; - Post War years; - Rebuilding Europe in the 50's The "Swinging 60's": Almost Death No. 3 of stained glass in the UK. Everything "old" was discarded, there was so much to re-build, so many bombed out holes to redesign and so much new housing to create. Everything had to be cheap and cheerful but QUICK (!!) Concrete monstrosities were created to house the maximum of people; old monuments had to be repaired that had been bombed out. Age of plastic, pvc, upvc and plastic double-glazed windows wasn't exactly condusive to the restoration of a "by-gone era". A lot of Victorian stained glass was ripped out and destroyed in the spirit of "modernization", convertion and making one house into 8 flats... As 2 solitary monuments against this ethos in Britain stand John Piper and Patrick Reyntiens and especially the new stained glass in Coventry Cathedral, a medieval cathedral that was virtually razed to the ground in the 2nd World War. Consecrated in 1962, it took a while for the ideas it represented to "filter through" into the villages, by which time we were well into the mid/late 70's. In the 80's the British people have again woken up to the idea of "THEIR" heritage, house RESTORATIONS (as opposed to modernizations) has now become so much into the forefront of peoples' awareness and that includes stained glass. But the glass industry, the glass blowers, the glass makers in Britain were caught unaware. There ARE very few resources, references to keep pace. Which is why we look to you, who got it from us originally...... In so many ways, you became the "custodians", looking after European heritage in troubled times..... (I'd give my back teeth to be let loose in the Metropolitan Museum , just for ONE day!!!).A lot of my own work involves trying to recreate the spirit of stained glass as it would have been in /before/after Victorian Age, its houses and "Garden Cities". Quite often the money to pay for these windows come from so called "Heritage Foundations", to which the owners of these properties apply for "restoration grants". A few of the double-glazing manufacturers have tried to fill the gap with plastic coloured over-lays and adhesive lead strips, but that very quickly left people disillusioned. That - I think - brings me up to 1996 - or thereabouts.... It's been a kind of a "see-saw" effect historically, but I hope above helps to "flesh the skeleton" out a bit..... Hope I haven't bored anyone.... or gone on too long... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 16:24:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoePi-0000DIa; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:22 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrighted designs/disk Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:06:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug8.11635.0> References: <<960807122512_70544.3642_JHD42-1@CompuServe.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Nicely said Al. And 2 cents of snake oil comes in a 2.00 dollar bottle. Phil7@tiac.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 17:33:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotWO-0000TMa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:30 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:38:46 -0700 Message-ID: <320A8896.2361@tiac.net> References: <<1996Aug5.134232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy The DL4000 is the fabulous made in China Diamond Laser 4000 Glass cutting Band Saw. Sold by Diamond Tech International. Don't. It's not worth the money. My local supplier was grand. They gave me a terrific price. I appreciated it. The first blade was not welded "flat" so a rocking motion cracked some very expensive Youghigeny glass. The replacement blade took several weeks to arrive "waiting for shipment from China". OK I waited. Blade came, and went. I then found that they sell a glass cutting blade. Huh... What kind of blade was I using? Eight big ones and the thing sits on the floor. The other problems "table's not even close to being flat, wedges the glass and stops the deep cut" I can't stand to even think about. Buy American, at least they can't blame it on the Chinese. Phil in Mass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 21:29:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoj9T-0000Tla; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:26 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 19:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: <320A7EFC.1C98@bright.net> References: <<960807.145517.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > By the way, has anyone seen Spectrum's psuedo antique yet? I have seen it, and to me it looks wonderful, kind of a cross between GNA and FNA. I have not cut it yet, but because it is Spectrum, I fully expect it to cut like every other glass Spectrum puts out, generally just wonderful! The other colors are coming out soon, so far I've only seen the clear. Hope to hear from someone on the list that has cut into a sheet! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 21:29:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoj9Z-0000Pwa; Thu, 8 Aug 96 21:26 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 20:01:40 -0400 Message-ID: <320A7FE4.6970@bright.net> References: <<01BB843E.78137340@qa02.memach.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > If I can be so bold... > > I'd like to see y'all's experience with different glasses. What's easy to > work with? What a real bite? > > I finished cutting out and grinding my third project last night, a railroad > lantern, and I noticed that the red glass (a friend gave me for the globe) > cut like cookie dough and needed very little grinding. What a dream. The > grey swirl for the body, on the other hand, seemed to have soft and hard > spots as I was scoring and I even felt them as I was grinding - like the > grain in wood. > > There really is a difference. As a beginner, what should I stay away? Is > there a nice manufacturer with nice color and texture selections that I can > handle? I am really interested in knowing what the red was that cut like cookie dough????!!!! I cut lots of red, but have never had one cut that nice. Please let us in on your secret! Just from my own personal experience, I would stay away from Bullseye and Chicago Art Glass until you are confident with your cutting. I think there are times it cuts great, and there are times, it doesn't. But it's not worth the frustration at the beginning. JMHO...don't want any manufacturer's writing back and breathing down my throat. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 21:44:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoePi-0000DIa; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:22 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrighted designs/disk Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:06:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug8.11635.0> References: <<960807122512_70544.3642_JHD42-1@CompuServe.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Nicely said Al. And 2 cents of snake oil comes in a 2.00 dollar bottle. Phil7@tiac.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 21:56:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uof2L-0000Q2a; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:02 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: tonsper@direct.ca To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Any one back from holidays Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <96Aug8.135316-0700pdt.29561-5316+167@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. For a couple of weeks I have not been receiving any mail. I am starting to be affected by not being able to listen in on everyones conversations. I miss all of you. I enjoy the chat and get a lot out of the questions asked. Even if only it is in the way the questions are answered. Everyone has a different take on each situation. I enjoy the fact that we are spread out all over the globe and yet have the same concerns. I was a Stained Glass hobbiest for ten years. Last year I decided to go for the golden ring and am now selling my work. I hope to be able to catch up to Howard in the number of projects completed, have Elizabeths patience, and Alberts knowledge. Each and everyone of you help me unknowingly each day. I know that I am not alone in my love of Stained Glass. Thank you to Glass@ bungi. com for all the time that you must put into our communications to each other even when all we do is lurk!!!! I hope that your summer vacation was relaxing and enjoyable. If I have been deleted from your list please add me back on. Like I said before I am going into withdrawl. Debbie Alexander, Wild Rose Stained Glass Studio, Coquitlam, BC, Canada Roses may have a thorn or two but we sure do smell nice. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 22:05:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoiic-00002Ra; Thu, 8 Aug 96 20:58 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:38:46 -0700 Message-ID: <320A8896.2361@tiac.net> References: <<1996Aug5.134232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy The DL4000 is the fabulous made in China Diamond Laser 4000 Glass cutting Band Saw. Sold by Diamond Tech International. Don't. It's not worth the money. My local supplier was grand. They gave me a terrific price. I appreciated it. The first blade was not welded "flat" so a rocking motion cracked some very expensive Youghigeny glass. The replacement blade took several weeks to arrive "waiting for shipment from China". OK I waited. Blade came, and went. I then found that they sell a glass cutting blade. Huh... What kind of blade was I using? Eight big ones and the thing sits on the floor. The other problems "table's not even close to being flat, wedges the glass and stops the deep cut" I can't stand to even think about. Buy American, at least they can't blame it on the Chinese. Phil in Mass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 8 22:40:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uokGG-0000eHa; Thu, 8 Aug 96 22:37 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!vnunit1 From: vnunit1@ix.netcom.com (RICK D VAUGHN) To: glass@bungi.com.Well, Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: <199608090537.WAA27442@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk designs issue...I come from a family of artists, and when I choose to I can design with the best of them. But creativity in stained glass extends far beyond the designing of the item....it includes the selection of colors and textures of glass! Frequently, the pattern I select is in colors that I can't stand, but I can use it as a tool to show to customers as we select other colors and textures to complement their color schemes...not all people can think in cartoons (like glass artists can). Secondly, I have seen the books by Sibbet, and I agree, they are not that impressive. But categorically stating that the people who create the drawings for the books have no glass experience is completely inaccurate! Many of the books which are published on stained glass in the US are by persons who actually have studios and are working in the glass...Carolyn Kyle out of Olympia Washington is an excellent example. I can't imagine anyone saying that this woman lacks experience and expertise in glass! Teresa V Color It Glass! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:28:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uopgk-0000l2a; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:25 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:06:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199608091135.MAA00630@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mary J. Austin, I have kept your e-mail back to think about it a little more. Hopefully, you have just seen in the last few days an input from "Scott" of Stained Glass News". Scott, there is a lady here who has got real problems in obtaining SGN. How about the two of you getting together and discuss it....... Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:28:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uopgk-0000cta; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:25 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:06:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199608091135.MAA00624@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Teresa, On the whole, you express very much my own sentiments and practices. Funnily enough, you also mentioned one of the "good guys" in my books, i.e. Carolyn Kyle productions, CKE Publications. I have only seen ONE "in the flesh" over here and that was about 3-4 weeks ago (i.e. it really IS new "Across the Pond"), namely "Wildlife of the North" (So I bought it, price UK Sterling 9.50). I used it for a "Summer Course" I was running. My fundamental point is, what is generally available here (and possibly in the rest of Europe) has to be IMPORTED by commercial retailers . For some reason, these do tend to pick the rubbish, for which we have to pay an awful lot of money. They also appear years out of date and totally out of touch. The sad thing is, that there is painfully LITTLE "home-grown" re/source material being produced here. That includes reference and historical literature, with one or two exceptions. Rather than accepting bad quality for a lot of money and getting "hooked" on a dependency on "conveyor-belt"pattern books, I try and preach (to use a strong word) the art of looking and the art of improvisation. (Jerry, quite sensibly has begun to import his OWN stuff!) I did point out that, although I can design, I cannot draw. If anything, I am making it harder for myself (and my students) by taking this stance. The drawing aspect is for me the most painful and long drawn-out process in the creation of my panels. But in that case, I feel justified in being critical and harsh with people who purport that THEY can and who produce commercial drawings on sale to be used by those that admit that they cannot... No?? Is there some kind of logic and fairness in this argument?? To then have to pay inflated "rip-off" prices for bad quality stuff, is adding insult to injury. You come from a family of artists. I am very envious (on that score). And yes, there are some "good guys" out there too. Help us then, coming from a Tradition of Artists, to sort out the wheat from the chaff. I for one, will look very much forward to your comments and contributions in this field in the future. There have been so many "cries for help and despair" from people struggling with real pattern buggars, not least our learners, hobbyists and beginners.... Great to hear from you!! Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:29:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uopgk-0000lTa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:25 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Any one back from holidays Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:06:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199608091135.MAA00632@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Debbie, Holidays! What holidays??? There is no rest for the wicked! >Elizabeth's patience> WHO? WHAT? ...ME..??? Nah, you must mean someone else!! I'm a grumpy old Swede who spells EliSabeth with an "S", so it can't be. Anyhow, keep smiling! Hang in there! Go cut some glass! It's a good therapy to help soothe the glass@bungi addiction!!! :- ) Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:39:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoprn-0000oba; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:36 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "',joyce@bright.net'" <,joyce@bright.net>, Subject: RE: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:36:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.33648.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce Moran wrote: I am really interested in knowing what the red was that cut like cookie dough????!!!! I cut lots of red, but have never had one cut that nice. Please let us in on your secret! I'm not sure what it is - will check the label when I get home. It was 1/2 square foot borrowed from a friend, cost about 5.00 for that amount. But, it did cut nicely; the breaks were perpendicular to the surface and hardly any grinding was needed. Just from my own personal experience, I would stay away from Bullseye and Chicago Art Glass until you are confident with your cutting. I think there are times it cuts great, and there are times, it doesn't. But it's not worth the frustration at the beginning. JMHO...don't want any manufacturer's writing back and breathing down my throat. Thanks everyone for all the help on different glass. I got the lantern foiled and soldered. All that's left to do is some solder overlays for definition and adding the handles. I am right pleased, for my third project. When do I quit counting? :) "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission." Admiral Grace Hopper Linda Campbell / lcbell@memach.com / (804) 543-6801, ext. 304 I don't speak for Metro Machine - nor they for me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:42:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uopuW-0000ZSa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:39 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass in the UK Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 21:10:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.14107.0> References: <<199608082145.WAA20264@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Dear Mike, Dear Kay, Dear All, > Could I possibly interest you in a miniscule, "potted history" of Thank you Elizabeth for the history lesson. I was just asking a colleague today about the origins of stained glass and your post came at the right time to enlighten me. Can I ask a question in addition to your info? Was it to flaunt affluence to have ornate stained glass? You only have to look at some of the large churches and see the magnificant windows that were crafted and then the small churchs (example only) that has very basic stained glass, very simple in it's design, often just squares and diamonds of coloured glass. We here in Aust are, thankfully, restoring not modernising and it is a marvellous time to see all those beautiful creations being restored (many of them having been painted over during the 60's/70's). We are only a young nation of a little over 200 years and the glass artists who created the windows in our "Classified Heritage" buildings came from the UK. Can you imagine having glass shipped from Europe all the way to Australia on a sailing ship??!! Thanks again Elizabeth Andrea Victoria, Australia PS My dog Whisky says g'day to Toby ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:43:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uopuW-0000axa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:39 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Visit to USA Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 19:40:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.12403.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been keeping up with the group and all the various topics and enjoying reading all the tid-bits. I too have mail-ordered from Delphi all the way to Australia and was very pleased with the promptness and attention that I received and I will be ordering again (but I'll give glass a miss next time though). We are very lucky here in Aust with the availability from local glass manufacturers as well as imported glass, and supplies although most of our products come from USA and we pay 'heaps' more for them than you do. I'm luckier than most as I am now in the glass business (having given up my high-pressure-headache-creating job in a major university) and can buy wholesale, it's wonderful. I would like to ask if anyone in the group knows if there is anything, seminars, exhibitions, classes (something REALLY worth it) on around Xmas/January as I intend coming to the US. I'm so excited I hardly know where to start. My son will be attending the next semester studying at a University in North Carolina and I intend joining him for a couple of weeks when he finishes around Xmas. My initial stop will be LA and from there, who knows. I have absolutely no itinerary at the moment as it will depend on (hopefully) attending something. I want to visit some suppliers and see what is new and I'd love to visit a glass manufacturing plant. There are so many things I would like to see there as we have to wait so long here for anything new. Anyway hope-upon-hope that there is something on around at that time although I realise I may be out of luck because of Xmas/New year, but again, my dates can be flexible within a month either way. Enough of my rambling bye for now Andrea Victoria, Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 04:44:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uopxA-0000Jva; Fri, 9 Aug 96 04:42 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Diamond Tech Products? Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.34232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I saw the warnings on the DL4000. I hope the quality doesn't apply to the Diamond Max grinder as well. Does anyone have one of these. I ordered one because it had two grinding stations - a 1" router and a 6" disk and since I like geometric designs I thought it would come in handy. When it came the thing wouldn't turn when the router was tightened in place. I called Diamond Tech and they said the motor mounts had been jarred is shipping. Delphi was gratious enough to take the thing back and is sending me another. Diamond Tech says they are working on the design so it doesn't break in shipping. I hope I have made the right choice. Any one have any experience with this grinder? begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B$+`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%SV>>%NP$>`' ``0```!<```!$:6%M;VYD(%1E8V@@4')O9'5C=',_```" M`7$``0```!8````!NX7GV=537M`!X,`0````4` M``!33510`````!X`'PP!````$@```&QC8F5L;$!M96UA8V@N8V]M`````P`& M$$R.?_T#``<0'@(``!X`"! !````90```$E305=42$5705).24Y'4T].5$A% M1$PT,# P24A/4$542$5154%,25191$]%4TY405!03%E43U1(141)04U/3D1- M05A'4DE.1$5205-714Q,1$]%4T%.64].14A!5D5/3D5/1E0``````@$)$ $` M``"=`@``F0(``*T#``!,6D9U)OUA&?\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R"0(`8V@* MP'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P)S=&5M`H,S=P+D!Q,"@'T*@ C/"=D[ M\18/,C4U`H *@0VQ"V#@;F" )P N !($>L*$$('=E;&P<\$0> M4;D>L&YY`B ; M`"(1'_!T=Q\P(%,;T;,;``&0=&D"( 0@+1ZPT" Q(B #8'43T""QFQ_A)J V M)M EH'-K)U.Y`)!N8QMP&O =\&L;<-QG90-P$< %$&,>, >0/&EG!C$:\!M0 M"&!G:.<%0"2Q)3!U;!_P!: '@*\DH .@$8 ?X'D<\%<;8/\#H"2Q)% KP1M2 M&U ELBM#[1Z"= AP`Z!W+*(;4B;U_QN0!" F("K1"? CP2OQ"U&_*+ <\B10 M(2 CP1^65 607F@G4QM1'B ;$&DRXR#O!& ?( 7 !&!U`C $("3B^R0P++%J M"L CL@0`&P`ML.\>T!O1(4$A$' ML"_3"<"[)A(D<" )\"JR'Q-A*2']+6AB M`- H)#6R"? EHRO!]P!P,_ ;8'(A03(*&Q 3L.\R] K &W$%L&LELAPE*?3O M&P`?,"2Q'D9B%A X<"OB_S7H'14=$2(R`, -L"\D,#+O*Y =,"G (R%!(< B M8R(C^R&Q-[!X'5 (@2BB`_ ;4/ Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoqJj-0000lQa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 05:05 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Visit to Mexico Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug9.4517.0> References: <<1996Aug9.12403.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrea's request for US info plus Elisabeth's UK and France info has formed this question in my mind: are there any Mexican subscribers to this group? If not, is there anyone with good info to share? When visiting San Miguel de Allende some years back I noticed there was a great deal of excellent contemporary stained glass around town. It stood out because I hadn't seen it much anywhere else. I'm hoping to visit Mexico again this fall, so I would love to have any info that reads here can share. Thanks Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 06:28:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uorZT-0000cya; Fri, 9 Aug 96 06:25 PDT X-Path: postoffice.mail.cornell.edu!bjs10 From: "B. J. Snell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Good Morning Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960809092950.2c5720b2@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am new to the list and glad to be here.... I have been reading mail for the last couple of days and have received attachments as well and find that I cannot open them... Would anyone be so kind as to advise me as to what software applications will open a *.DAT file in Windows... I have have the files in Eudora\Attach but cannot open them without associating a program for them.... If it is inappropriate is ask this question in this forum ... please advise... TIA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 07:13:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uosH4-0000cya; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:10 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: New Products Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.61257.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello All: I was wondering if anyone has seen the new Odyssey poster? I purchased it yesterday at a local glass shop. It has even more lamps than the last one. It is a beautiful addition to my studio. I also purchased the "Lamps for all Seasons" calendar from The Association of Stained Glass Lamp Artists". If any of you are interested in doing Tiffanys, you gotta see this calendar. It was very humbling to see what true artists can do with glass!!! It is nice to see some original ideas being constructed, plus some beautiful rendentions of some "standards". Just wanted to make everyone aware of these two new publications in the industry. Hope I'm not too far behind the power curve on these. Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX August 9, 1996 8:25 am CST ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 07:44:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoskz-0000Ooa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:41 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Visit to Mexico Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: <199608091435.HAA22638@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 07:45:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uoskz-0000Y2a; Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:41 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass in the UK Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:35:18 -0700 Message-ID: <199608091435.HAA22635@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 22:16 8-08-96 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Mike, Dear Kay, Dear All, >Could I possibly interest you in a miniscule, "potted history" of >what happened over here? Perhaps it might help to understand a little >better. It's slightly "coloured" by my own irreverant attitude..., >never the less valid; > >Dear Elisabeth, Thank you very much for your refresher course. It gave me a new perspective. Wish my husband and I could join you for the Easter France excursion (we love to travel) but right now I'm just trying to convince him to accompany me to the glass show in Las Vegas in March and the next trade show in Baltimore. If we win the lotto...well thats a different story!!! Thanks again for your brilliant summary. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 08:10:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uot9e-0000Kja; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:07 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Visit to USA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:37:39 +0500 Message-ID: <199608091506.KAA09541@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Hi! congrats on your son becoming a Tar Heel! Has he become an ACC basketball fan? Since the Triangle area is affluent and trendy there are prob. several glass supply/production places there who would likely know local/regional happenings that might include stuff you won't hear about immed. on the Web (but so many people read this I'm likely wrong....) If you have the time I'd suggest you check out the Seattle area - the amount and variety of glass being created there is breathtaking. I'm in deep south Texas and just a casual practitioner myself, so I can't urge you to come visit for glass "viewing", but if you like Ruby Red grapefruit, friendly people and want a quick visit to Mexico while you're here (8 miles), drop in and say hello. Resacagirl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 08:12:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotB5-0000FBa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:08 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass in the UK Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 11:05:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.7557.0> References: <<1996Aug9.14107.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrea King wrote: > > > > > Dear Mike, Dear Kay, Dear All, > > Could I possibly interest you in a miniscule, "potted history" of > > Thank you Elizabeth for the history lesson. I was just asking a > colleague today about the origins of stained glass and your post came at > the right time to enlighten me. Can I ask a question in addition to your > info? Was it to flaunt affluence to have ornate stained glass? You only > have to look at some of the large churches and see the magnificant > windows that were crafted and then the small churchs (example only) that > has very basic stained glass, very simple in it's design, often just > squares and diamonds of coloured glass. > > We here in Aust are, thankfully, restoring not modernising and it is a > marvellous time to see all those beautiful creations being > restored (many of them having been painted over during the 60's/70's). > We are only a young nation of a little over 200 years and the glass > artists who created the windows in our "Classified Heritage" buildings > came from the UK. Can you imagine having glass shipped from Europe all > the way to Australia on a sailing ship??!! > > Thanks again Elizabeth > > Andrea > Victoria, Australia > > PS My dog Whisky says g'day to Toby > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, the old church windows had small pieces because that's the size glass blowers could make it. later when we could make larger sheets, no one wanted to stray from the tradtional so they remained simplistic. other reasons maybe to give it a mosiac look. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 08:17:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotFL-0000Qza; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:13 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 11:10:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.71019.0> References: <<199608091135.MAA00624@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Dear Teresa, > On the whole, you express very much my own sentiments and practices. > Funnily enough, you also mentioned one of the "good guys" in my > books, i.e. Carolyn Kyle productions, CKE Publications. I have only > seen ONE "in the flesh" over here and that was about 3-4 weeks ago > (i.e. it really IS new "Across the Pond"), namely "Wildlife of the > North" (So I bought it, price UK Sterling 9.50). I used it for a > "Summer Course" I was running. > > My fundamental point is, what is generally available here (and > possibly in the rest of Europe) has to be IMPORTED by commercial > retailers . For some reason, these do tend to pick the rubbish, for which we > have to pay an awful lot of money. They also appear years out of date > and totally out of touch. The sad thing is, that there is > painfully LITTLE "home-grown" re/source material being produced here. > That includes reference and historical literature, with one or two > exceptions. > Rather than accepting bad quality for a lot of money and getting > "hooked" on a dependency on "conveyor-belt"pattern books, I try and > preach (to use a strong word) the art of looking and the art of > improvisation. (Jerry, quite sensibly has begun to import his OWN > stuff!) > I did point out that, although I can design, I cannot draw. If > anything, I am making it harder for myself (and my students) by > taking this stance. The drawing aspect is for me the most painful > and long drawn-out process in the creation of my panels. But in that case, > I feel justified in being critical and harsh with people who purport that THEY > can and who produce commercial drawings on sale to be used by those that admit > that they cannot... No?? Is there some kind of logic and fairness in this > argument?? To then have to pay inflated "rip-off" prices for bad > quality stuff, is adding insult to injury. You come from a family of artists. > I am very envious (on that score). > And yes, there are some "good guys" out there too. Help us then, > coming from a Tradition of Artists, to sort out the wheat from the > chaff. I for one, will look very much forward to your comments and > contributions in this field in the future. There have been so many > "cries for help and despair" from people struggling with real pattern > buggars, not least our learners, hobbyists and beginners.... > Great to hear from you!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass boy only one, but the price is simaler to the us price, so you know CKE must have over 30 books by now, most likley more. and age of a book really does'nt matter a pattern is a pattern. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 08:17:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotGh-0000Pza; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:14 PDT X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: krmcdonald@ucdavis.edu (Kathe R. McDonald) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass in the UK Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199608091514.IAA08641@peseta.ucdavis.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WOW! Thank you! Kathe R. McDonald Office of Curricular Support "Aint no time to hate." J. Garcia 1995 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 08:42:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotez-0000fEa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:39 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Employment Opportunity Request Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:14:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.51413.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Good morning Dudes & Dudettes (sorry, old hippy days following me)! I received a lovely letter and employment request yesterday that I would like to pass along. I am not personally looking for an employee at this time but maybe you are. Here is his letter: Hello! My name is Giles Florent. I'm 26 years old and I'm living in Belgium where I'm working as a stained-glass crafts- man for about 3 years now. The reason for this letter is that I'm actually looking for a work opportunity abroad. Maybe are you searching for an extra help into your studio? I have learned this profession in a traditional studio specialized into the church's window's restoration. Therefore, I became familiar with all the different techniques related to the work into the studio as well as "on the site". On the next pages, you will find a short description of the techniques I'm using in my daily work as well as a brief cirriculum vitae. I am not sharing these with you, but if you are interested, I am sure he will send them to you along with his picture (yes, ladies, he is cute!). I would be very happy to hear from you either you are interested in my request or just if you have any questions or comments on our common and beautiful profession. Thanks a lot for your attention Giles Florent Studio 13, Rue de Thy 1470 THY - Belgium Phone: 0032-(0)67/790 740 E-mail: christophe.manchand@infoboard.be I thought someone out there may have an employment opportunity for this well-written, well-educated, well-traveled and well-he looks good to me young man!! :) Shirley Suter (been looking at cows too long!!!!) Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 09:39:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotez-0000fEa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:39 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Employment Opportunity Request Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:14:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.51413.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Good morning Dudes & Dudettes (sorry, old hippy days following me)! I received a lovely letter and employment request yesterday that I would like to pass along. I am not personally looking for an employee at this time but maybe you are. Here is his letter: Hello! My name is Giles Florent. I'm 26 years old and I'm living in Belgium where I'm working as a stained-glass crafts- man for about 3 years now. The reason for this letter is that I'm actually looking for a work opportunity abroad. Maybe are you searching for an extra help into your studio? I have learned this profession in a traditional studio specialized into the church's window's restoration. Therefore, I became familiar with all the different techniques related to the work into the studio as well as "on the site". On the next pages, you will find a short description of the techniques I'm using in my daily work as well as a brief cirriculum vitae. I am not sharing these with you, but if you are interested, I am sure he will send them to you along with his picture (yes, ladies, he is cute!). I would be very happy to hear from you either you are interested in my request or just if you have any questions or comments on our common and beautiful profession. Thanks a lot for your attention Giles Florent Studio 13, Rue de Thy 1470 THY - Belgium Phone: 0032-(0)67/790 740 E-mail: christophe.manchand@infoboard.be I thought someone out there may have an employment opportunity for this well-written, well-educated, well-traveled and well-he looks good to me young man!! :) Shirley Suter (been looking at cows too long!!!!) Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 09:48:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotFL-0000Qza; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:13 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Patterns Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 11:10:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.71019.0> References: <<199608091135.MAA00624@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Dear Teresa, > On the whole, you express very much my own sentiments and practices. > Funnily enough, you also mentioned one of the "good guys" in my > books, i.e. Carolyn Kyle productions, CKE Publications. I have only > seen ONE "in the flesh" over here and that was about 3-4 weeks ago > (i.e. it really IS new "Across the Pond"), namely "Wildlife of the > North" (So I bought it, price UK Sterling 9.50). I used it for a > "Summer Course" I was running. > > My fundamental point is, what is generally available here (and > possibly in the rest of Europe) has to be IMPORTED by commercial > retailers . For some reason, these do tend to pick the rubbish, for which we > have to pay an awful lot of money. They also appear years out of date > and totally out of touch. The sad thing is, that there is > painfully LITTLE "home-grown" re/source material being produced here. > That includes reference and historical literature, with one or two > exceptions. > Rather than accepting bad quality for a lot of money and getting > "hooked" on a dependency on "conveyor-belt"pattern books, I try and > preach (to use a strong word) the art of looking and the art of > improvisation. (Jerry, quite sensibly has begun to import his OWN > stuff!) > I did point out that, although I can design, I cannot draw. If > anything, I am making it harder for myself (and my students) by > taking this stance. The drawing aspect is for me the most painful > and long drawn-out process in the creation of my panels. But in that case, > I feel justified in being critical and harsh with people who purport that THEY > can and who produce commercial drawings on sale to be used by those that admit > that they cannot... No?? Is there some kind of logic and fairness in this > argument?? To then have to pay inflated "rip-off" prices for bad > quality stuff, is adding insult to injury. You come from a family of artists. > I am very envious (on that score). > And yes, there are some "good guys" out there too. Help us then, > coming from a Tradition of Artists, to sort out the wheat from the > chaff. I for one, will look very much forward to your comments and > contributions in this field in the future. There have been so many > "cries for help and despair" from people struggling with real pattern > buggars, not least our learners, hobbyists and beginners.... > Great to hear from you!! > Elisabeth 'n Toby > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass boy only one, but the price is simaler to the us price, so you know CKE must have over 30 books by now, most likley more. and age of a book really does'nt matter a pattern is a pattern. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 10:16:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uotXF-0000ZSa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 08:31 PDT X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: krmcdonald@ucdavis.edu (Kathe R. McDonald) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Visit to USA Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199608091531.IAA12902@peseta.ucdavis.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrea, I live in Sacramento, Calif, (~1 1/2 hrs east of San Francisco) and there isn't much in this area to suggest, but if you do get close I'd be happy to meet you and show you what I can. I've been to your country (my boyfriend's an Aussie) and always appreciate a friendly face when I'm travelling. I would suggest a visit to Spectrum in Washington State which is one of our prettiest states. I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions--this is just one. Feel free to contact me directly at krmcdonald@ucdavis.edu if I can be of help. Kathe R. McDonald Office of Curricular Support "Aint no time to hate." J. Garcia 1995 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 10:42:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uovW2-0000msa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 10:38 PDT X-Path: frederick.solarex.com!BRACE From: Bradford Race To: glass list Subject: Baltimore trade show ? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 96 12:53:00 PDT Message-ID: <1996Aug9.19530.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk on August , Kay wrote: >but right now I'm just trying to convince him >to accompany me to the glass show in Las Vegas in March and the next trade >show in Baltimore. My wife is the glass artist, I just provide encouragement and the listserve access. She enjoys the discussions on this list and I think she's learned a thing or two also. Anyway, we live about 60 miles from Baltimore and would love to know more about this trade show Kay mentions. thanks. Brad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 15:59:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up0Vr-0000v5a; Fri, 9 Aug 96 15:58 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:01:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.15136.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Scott, there is a lady here who has got real >problems in obtaining SGN. How about the >two of you getting together and discuss it... FYI, I responded privately to Ms. Austin as soon as I saw her post. She didn't get ignored... I just didn't post anything to the list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 17:22:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up1oi-0000e0a; Fri, 9 Aug 96 17:22 PDT X-Path: onramp.net!cc From: "Cindy Gordon" To: Subject: Re: Favorite Glass/Worst Glass? Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <199608100022.TAA15954@mailhost.onramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Just from my own personal experience, I would stay away from Bullseye >and Chicago Art Glass until you are confident with your cutting. I >think there are times it cuts great, and there are times, it doesn't. >But it's not worth the frustration at the beginning. JMHO...don't want >any manufacturer's writing back and breathing down my throat. >Garden of Glass >Joyce Moran I wholeheartedly agree about the bullseye - my very first leaded project was an original design with lots of really impossible curves in it - (hindsight is 20/20.) Then I made it 1000 times harder by choosing bullseye glass. Although I LOVE the look of it, it is way too frustrating for a newbie, and it's kind of pricey too. Expensive mistakes have a much higher cringe factor. Stick with the super suggestions which have been given here for just a little while longer. -Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 19:07:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up3S3-0000t6a; Fri, 9 Aug 96 19:06 PDT X-Path: oregoncoast.com!swmei From: swmei@oregoncoast.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Diamond Max Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:52:00 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I bought the Diamond Max and it worked great until the sponges that come with it got chewed up. I can't get any water to my grinder heads and now have resorted to holding a piece of sponge against the head as I work. Not a comfortable solution. Also, I'm not impressed with the method of getting water on the 6 inch disk. You have to pull the top grid off and then try to work a plastic piece up to the right setting to allow adequate water to flow without getting it too generous and losing all your water. They also do not provide a container to catch your water and my improvisation ends up flooding frequently. I called the company to ask if there was any way to replace the sponges and they assured me that the sponges were supposed to "wear in" and change shape. That placating statement was of no help whatsoever. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 20:16:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up4UX-0000HAa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 20:13 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Baltimore trade show ? Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 20:07:08 -0700 Message-ID: <199608100307.UAA01737@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 20:52:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up53i-0000tOa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 20:49 PDT X-Path: p3.net!kre8tiv1 From: kre8tiv1@p3.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 23:49:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug9.164924.0> References: <<199608100307.UAA01737@polaris.pacificnet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 22:18:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up6OU-00011sa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 22:15 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Diamond Tech Products?] Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 20:39:07 -0700 Message-ID: <199608100040.TAA06851@mail1.gte.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------48BA65B5A88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Campbell wrote: > > I saw the warnings on the DL4000. I hope the quality doesn't apply to the > Diamond Max grinder as well. Does anyone have one of these. Hi Linda, Yes, I have a Diamond Max and I love it. It lets me do some beveling for my boxes and candle holders, (original designs) and a multitude of other things. I bought the fancy model with extra round bits, and find that the ability to change bits is great. One thought, when you first get the replacement, take all of the bits, adapters, and the large disk off, spray the spindle that they attach to with WD40, then reasemble. Take care that the flat side of the spindle lines up with the set screws (tightning screws) of the disk, adapter, and bits. Once a week there after go thru routine again so the pieces don't freeze to the spindle. A bugger to get off when you replace the large disk if you don't do this. Since I work on glass every day, I clean out the grinder every night, and do the disasembly of disks for through cleaning once a week. It is still working great months later, of nearly continuous use. I admit I tend to take good care of tools and equipment, but it lasts a lot longer that way. Good luck Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations --------------48BA65B5A88 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:39:40 -0700 From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> Organization: Lee Boe X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-GTE (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Products? References: <1996Aug9.34232.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Campbell wrote: > > I saw the warnings on the DL4000. I hope the quality doesn't apply to the > Diamond Max grinder as well. Does anyone have one of these. Hi Linda, Yes, I have a Diamond Max and I love it. It lets me do some beveling for my boxes and candle holders, (original designs) and a multitude of other things. I bought the fancy model with extra round bits, and find that the ability to change bits is great. One thought, when you first get the replacement, take all of the bits, adapters, and the large disk off, spray the spindle that they attach to with WD40, then reasemble. Take care that the flat side of the spindle lines up with the set screws (tightning screws) of the disk, adapter, and bits. Once a week there after go thru routine again so the pieces don't freeze to the spindle. A bugger to get off when you replace the large disk if you don't do this. Since I work on glass every day, I clean out the grinder every night, and do the disasembly of disks for through cleaning once a week. It is still working great months later, of nearly continuous use. I admit I tend to take good care of tools and equipment, but it lasts a lot longer that way. Good luck Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations --------------48BA65B5A88-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 9 22:39:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0up6if-0000tGa; Fri, 9 Aug 96 22:36 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Max Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: <199608100535.AAA10813@mail2.gte.net> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk swmei@oregoncoast.com wrote: > > I bought the Diamond Max and it worked great until the sponges that come > with it got chewed up. I can't get any water to my grinder heads and now > have resorted to holding a piece of sponge against the head as I work. > Not a comfortable solution. Hi- I solved the replacement sponge problem by going to Home Depot and buying a $1.39 big block of cellulose sponge, and simply cutting a piece with large sissors, to original shape. The big block should last about a year. The new cut piece fits just like the original. The water feed for the disk needs added water frequently to grind properly, and I just use a tea cup under the drain for the run over. Since it sits at the side it is not hard to keep and eye on it to prevent spills. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 07:56:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upFRy-0000TIa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 07:55 PDT X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Warner-Crivellaro Catalog Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:55:21 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug10.145521.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been trying since, I think, March to get a catalog from Warner-Crivellaro. I've called their 800 number three times. Twice I left messages, and once I spoke with a real,or so it seemed, person, but still no catalog. I'm trying to find a griffin body to make as a gift for a friend, but I was interested in some of their other items too. Maybe if it takes as long to get an order as it does to get a catalog, I should just quit while I'm ahead. Does anyone know the secret to getting a catalog, or does anyone know where else I can find a griffin body? I'd love a gargoyle too, but I don't know if anyone makes them. Many thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 08:15:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upFlK-0000Vxa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 08:15 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Max Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug10.6131.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk swmei@oregoncoast.com wrote: > > I bought the Diamond Max and it worked great until the sponges that come > with it got chewed up. I can't get any water to my grinder heads and now > have resorted to holding a piece of sponge against the head as I work. > Not a comfortable solution. Also, I'm not impressed with the method of > getting water on the 6 inch disk. You have to pull the top grid off > and then try to work a plastic piece up to the right setting to allow > adequate water to flow without getting it too generous and losing all > your water. They also do not provide a container to catch your water > and my improvisation ends up flooding frequently. I called the company > to ask if there was any way to replace the sponges and they assured me > that the sponges were supposed to "wear in" and change shape. That > placating statement was of no help whatsoever. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass boy then i'm glad i got the twin spin. it's like the diamond max exept it's made by inland, and has a drip feed for the wheel. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 08:18:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upFoB-0000tYa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 08:18 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Baltimore trade show Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 08:12:11 -0700 Message-ID: <199608101512.IAA12589@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Brad, I am having trouble sending some of my mail so I don't think you got my reply about the Baltimore trade show next year. The info came in one of the recent flyers from a supplier. It said, "FYI, next year's show (The Art Glass Suppliers Association Trade Show and Convention) is in Baltimore, and the 1998 show is in Houston." I assume the one in Baltimore will be July 1997. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 08:20:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upFpJ-0000Goa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 08:19 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro Catalog Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:56:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug10.4564.0> References: <<1996Aug10.145521.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri and all!!!!! About that Warner-Crivellaro catalog......I went through this nightmare too, until I finally found out the trick to getting one. You have to actually order and pay for a catalog....they ain't free no more!! (Unless you make a big order, but then how can you make a big order without a catalog?). If you would like, e-mail me personally and I can give you item numbers and prices on the griffin and any other items you want.....then you can include a catalog on this order. Maybe this will work for you!!!! Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 10:09:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upHX8-0000Yga; Sat, 10 Aug 96 10:09 PDT X-Path: onramp.net!cc From: "Cindy Gordon" To: Subject: small space, big obsession Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199608101707.MAA26997@mailhost.onramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am a "stained-glass as a hobby" addict who is about to relocate to a two bedroom apartment. Does anyone have any space saving ideas about how to set up a working area? I may have to resort to using some space in a carpeted room, and am not sure how to handle this situation either. Anyone tackled this problem? -Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 10:10:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upHX8-0000CHa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 10:09 PDT X-Path: onramp.net!cc From: "Cindy Gordon" To: Subject: small space, big obsession Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199608101707.MAA27006@mailhost.onramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am a "stained-glass as a hobby" addict who is about to relocate to a two bedroom apartment. Does anyone have any space saving ideas about how to set up a working area? I may have to resort to using some space in a carpeted room, and am not sure how to handle this situation either. Anyone tackled this problem? -Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 10:14:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upHcD-0000bla; Sat, 10 Aug 96 10:14 PDT X-Path: mm.com!rquade From: "Randall S. Quade" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Odyssey Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:14:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug10.71451.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Greetings to all.. I just ordered my first Odyssey lamp shade kit (22" Elaborate Peony). Has anyone had any experience with this kit? Is there anything special to watch out for? Any built-in pitfalls? Thanks in advance for any help.. Randy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 13:56:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upL3y-0000PBa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 13:55 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: small space, big obsession Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug10.121433.0> References: <<199608101707.MAA27006@mailhost.onramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mCindy Gordon wrote: > > Hi all! > > I am a "stained-glass as a hobby" addict who is about to relocate to a two > bedroom apartment. Does anyone have any space saving ideas about how to > set up a working area? I may have to resort to using some space in a > carpeted room, and am not sure how to handle this situation either. Anyone > tackled this problem? > > -Cindy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe you can try a couple of sheets of plywood, on the floor. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 13:57:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upL3s-0000Dsa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 13:55 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro Catalog Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:11:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug10.121125.0> References: <<1996Aug10.145521.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been trying since, I think, March to get a catalog from > Warner-Crivellaro. I've called their 800 number three times. Twice I > left messages, and once I spoke with a real,or so it seemed, person, but > still no catalog. I'm trying to find a griffin body to make as a gift > for a friend, but I was interested in some of their other items too. > Maybe if it takes as long to get an order as it does to get a catalog, I > should just quit while I'm ahead. Does anyone know the secret to getting > a catalog, or does anyone know where else I can find a griffin body? I'd > love a gargoyle too, but I don't know if anyone makes them. > > Many thanks, > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass sorry for that last post i keep confusing the name with witmore and durgin. but you can get the small catalog for free, which may have the body your looking for, though the witmore and durgin catalog i'm pretty sure has lead figuriny's in it. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 14:14:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upLMA-0000F2a; Sat, 10 Aug 96 14:14 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro Catalog Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:09:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug10.1295.0> References: <<1996Aug10.145521.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been trying since, I think, March to get a catalog from > Warner-Crivellaro. I've called their 800 number three times. Twice I > left messages, and once I spoke with a real,or so it seemed, person, but > still no catalog. I'm trying to find a griffin body to make as a gift > for a friend, but I was interested in some of their other items too. > Maybe if it takes as long to get an order as it does to get a catalog, I > should just quit while I'm ahead. Does anyone know the secret to getting > a catalog, or does anyone know where else I can find a griffin body? I'd > love a gargoyle too, but I don't know if anyone makes them. > > Many thanks, > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass try going to: http://www.penrose.com/glass/ you can try ordering a catalog from there. i've been having a problem ordering a windsong stained glass catalog, i've left messages and everything, but no catalog. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 18:20:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upPA4-0000Xza; Sat, 10 Aug 96 18:17 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!DaleM From: Dale Mathis To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass cleaning Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 01:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Aug11.11739.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What are the best methods and materials used in the cleaning of stained glass? I live in south Florida close to the ocean. No matter what I do and use, the solder loses its shine in a day or two. For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. JOHN 3:16 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 20:41:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upRNT-0000fsa; Sat, 10 Aug 96 20:39 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: small space, big obsession Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 23:37:55 -0700 Message-ID: <199608110339.WAA15179@mail1.gte.net> References: <<199608101707.MAA27006@mailhost.onramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Cindy Gordon wrote: > > Hi all! > > I am a "stained-glass as a hobby" addict who is about to relocate to a two > bedroom apartment. Does anyone have any space saving ideas about how to > set up a working area? I may have to resort to using some space in a > carpeted room, and am not sure how to handle this situation either. Anyone > tackled this problem? > > -Cindy Hi Cindy, I work in a two bedroom apartment, and have converted the other bedroom into my stained glass studio. I found a room sized remnant of carpet, put that over the regular carpet, which protects against spills and stray solder drops. On my work tables, raised Morton Cutting Surfaces catch most of the glass slivers. I keep an Upright vacuum next to the work table to get any slivers that fall to the floor. Be sure to wear closed shoes while in the studio, and vacuum the floor after every cutting session. My soldering surfaces are 2' x 4' ceiling tiles cut into 2 pieces each. This gives me four layout boards to solder on. (I usually have 2 to 5 projects under way at once) One table has a light box with morton cutting surface, and a grinder. All work tables are raised to waist height so no bending is needed, and I use a drafting height stool when sitting (not often) The room has lots of electrical outlets. (lucky) I decorated the walls with SG posters. Two large book cases hold supplies. I like to keep the lead fumes confined as I have pet birds. By opening the studio widow with a big fan going on high, with the door to the rest of the house closed, keeps ventilation good. With a little care, you should do fine with the second bedroom as a studio.. For tables, the folding library tables that Office Depot sells for 49.95 for 6 ft long work fine. Raise them with 1 foot lengths of 1 1/2 " PVC pipe on each leg. If I think of anything else, will add it to a later post. Hope this helps. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 10 20:49:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upPA4-0000Xza; Sat, 10 Aug 96 18:17 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!DaleM From: Dale Mathis To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass cleaning Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 01:17:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Aug11.11739.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What are the best methods and materials used in the cleaning of stained glass? I live in south Florida close to the ocean. No matter what I do and use, the solder loses its shine in a day or two. For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. JOHN 3:16 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 05:13:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upZNI-0000iha; Sun, 11 Aug 96 05:12 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass cleaning Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug11.4937.0> References: <<1996Aug11.11739.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dale Mathis wrote: > > What are the best methods and materials used in the cleaning of stained > glass? I live in south Florida close to the ocean. No matter what I do and > use, the solder loses its shine in a day or two. > > For GOD so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever > believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. > JOHN 3:16 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i use semi chrome for the polish, and kemopro for the wax. try using furtiture polish pledge original on it. or try using JAX patina it's a pain to put on (needs to be really clean), but it stays really shiny for a long time, though i don't know how it stands up to salt air. after that i'm not really sure. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 05:57:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upa41-0000YGa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 05:56 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro Catalog Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I've been trying since, I think, March to get a catalog from >Warner-Crivellaro. I just ordered from them for the first time yesterday. I had a lot of trouble getting through to them too. They have one of those automated phone systems that doesn't seem to have humans involved at their end except if you are spending money. The salesperson (a real live body) said you only get a catalog if you order more than $50. I don't know what the charge is for one otherwise and I am not quite sure how one orders without a catalog . Somehow, I was sent a promotional mini catalog several years ago which surprised the salesperson. I'll let you know if the shipment arrives in a reasonable time. Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 05:58:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upa5M-0000S5a; Sun, 11 Aug 96 05:57 PDT X-Path: SNET.Net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: 'Glass' Subject: Foiling during Summer Weather Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:22:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB875E.751E0D80@nwhn02-sh2-port77.snet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Can anyone give me some tips on how I can get foil to stick on Hot = Humid Days. I do not have an air conditioned area to do my glass work = in,so I can't control the Humidity. Tim Byrnes ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 08:14:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upcCM-0000YSa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 08:13 PDT X-Path: onramp.net!cc From: "Cindy Gordon" To: Subject: Re: small space, big obsession Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 10:04:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199608111512.KAA06181@mailhost.onramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > For tables, the folding library tables that >Office Depot sells for 49.95 for 6 ft long work fine. Raise them with 1 foot lengths >of 1 1/2 " PVC pipe on each leg. If I think of anything else, will add it to a later >post. >Hope this helps. >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations :-) Hi Lee - thanks for your ideas - I think I may be able to use many! What did you mean by using 1 foot lengths of PVC to raise each leg? How do you connect them? Sounds interesting. -Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 08:43:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upceW-0000hBa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 08:42 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:39:14 -0600 Message-ID: <199608111539.JAA06633@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I cut plexiglass not infrequently and agree that the little knife witht he hook is what you need. I beleive it was Mike who mentioned that youhave to score the line repeatedly until you are at least 1/2 througha nd then it snaps quite well. Hope you aren't one of those that can't stand the sound of nails on a blackboard! My mother leaves the studio when I cut plexiglass. Warning: It scratches easily! Good luck. Meg At 11:32 AM 05/08/1996 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Liz (and everyone else!) > > My husband (handyperson extraordinaire) has made us a couple of >feeders using plexiglass. There's a plexiglass cutter you can buy at >your hardware store for about $2. It looks sort of like a razor knife >with a hook. He's also used a hack saw and a table saw, but says this >little cheap cutter works great. He also says plexiglass can withstand >the cold, although ours haven't had much of a test. Here in Ga. we don't >get too many 32 degree days much less -32!!!! I would, however, be happy >to trade June-August with you. >Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 08:43:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upcee-0000yea; Sun, 11 Aug 96 08:42 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:39:19 -0600 Message-ID: <199608111539.JAA06636@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wish I could join you but I can't..... and my kids are't even in college! Be sending good vibes your way though! I think it is a great idea and hpefully there will be another chance sometime that I can take advantage of! Bewst of luck Meg At 12:49 AM 07/08/1996 +0000, you wrote: >Ssssshhhhh Kathe, >Quiet now,,, bend your ear verrrryyyy quietly my way. I won't say a >thing, a single word to anyone >It's totally a seeeecret between you and mee. >zzzzzzzz....... >Why the hell should you not treat yourself to a trip to Europe and >Chartres next Easter. ....Of course you can..... >The bbbooooozzzeee, gently getting you into Dream-Land (or pissed out >of your mind..??), the invigorating, inspiring company of ME ( i.e. >a boring old fart??), the romantic sound of a French accordian (i.e >an old wind-bag??) >SorryI just couldn't resist...... > >The project is serious; it's for real. I have planned a number of >stained glass visits before, but inside the UK. This is the first >"abroad Excursion" I am trying to get off the ground. The injection >of US forces would be the icing on the cake for me. I do know that >some of you are planning European visits next year. Hence my posting. >Having college kids is no easy task, but you got to establish a "life >on your own" as well. The kids will respect you more for it.("Sorry >Jane/Jonathan, you just have to take on an extra holiday job, because >I cannot pay your entire fee this semester. I am planning a trip to >Europe to feed MY artistic creativity [ which pays your fees in the >first place!!]) >Don't allow the Kids to rule your entire life!!! They do, but they >must not..... >Why Easter?? >It's a time where everybody by rights can take time off, we can even >feign a Christianity that we do not necessarily feel, but if we ARE, >it is respected. Moreover, it's the time of year when winter changes >into spring and the weather here in Europe is more clemant and kind. >Here in Europe Nature really starts to get exiting. > >Another aspect; I am trying to accommodate for MY own "clutch of >chicks" at Univeristy, studying stained glass. It's also their Easter >break. Some of them are in their 30's & 40's, being students for the >first or second time round. They get special student concessions.. An >Easter break like this won't eat into their scheduled lectures Also, >the College who is"fronting" this entire project for me, feel that >they can capture enough interested participants to make it worth >THEIR while. Imagine THEIR exitement when I tell them that we have to >stop at Paris Orly/ Charles de Gaulle Airport to pick up an additional 3-4-5-6-??? gang >from the the USA who are joining us. >I hate having to admit that the Manager of the College is a born & >bred American. She is pint-sized, but "jeeez" is she dynamic. She has >got breadth, vision and ambition for a little College out in the >sticks in "little Ole' Britain" and I have a lot of time for her and >her ideas. >If you have the slightest "inkling" of wanting to come, do at least >tell me. Tell me also of any practical/financial obstacle. I am >determined that it will "happen" and that we will have a "ball" You >"across the Pond" may have cheaper books, tools refrences, I hope we >- in turn can give you pointers on cheap bargains as regards US >flights from you to UK (or Europe). We can't afford these prizes, but we believe that >you are in a better financial position .... I would love to meet you in Paris next Easter..... > > >What about Easter Pilgrims??? >Oh yes, we will have to resepct them and their right to meditation. >But they too have a lot to teach us, if we are prepared to listen. We >want to "oogle" stained glass,, sure. the pilgrims will ADD to our >experience, if anything. >Thank you PJ for your input (Mary - have I answered your question??) >PJ: WHERE is the glass in San Chappelle???? I Is San Chappelle the >name of the church or the name of a town (haven't come across it - >hence question. I know France pretty well.) Tell me more!!! >I am knackered. Enough for toniight. Over and out. >Elisabeth >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 08:43:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upcef-0000yCa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 08:42 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:39:25 -0600 Message-ID: <199608111539.JAA06638@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I depend on the occasional gift for stained glass news. It is really too bad that they don't allow subscriptions.. I would love to get it regularly.. What do you say Scott???? Meg At 12:32 AM 07/08/1996 PST, you wrote: >Hi everyone. I'm disables and it's hard for me to get out and about. I >have a request and hope someone can and is willing to help me out. There >is only one stained glass supplier within distance for me to get to and >they don't carry stained glass news. I've been unable to get this >newsletter for about a year now. I'm very interested in recieving it and >any back issues someone might have available.I miss not having the >patterns in them and the updating articles. If anyone has these and >would be willing to send or fax them to me I'd appreciate it and would >be willing to pay for any mailing costs for this service. I'm fairly new >to stained glass as I've only been doing it for 2 years and find this >newsletter to be very helpful. I'd appreciate anyone who could help me >out. Thanks in advance and I look forward to hearing from you. >Mary Austin >801 Merry Ln. >Greenwood, IN 46142 >317-885-7768 >317-888-2548 fax >diamonds@juno.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 08:43:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upceq-0000yka; Sun, 11 Aug 96 08:42 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Any one back from holidays Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 09:39:29 -0600 Message-ID: <199608111539.JAA06640@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 02:02 PM 08/08/1996 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi everyone. > For a couple of weeks I have not been receiving any mail. I am >starting to be affected by not being able to listen in on everyones >conversations. I miss all of you. I enjoy the chat and get a lot out of >the questions asked. Even if only it is in the way the questions are >answered. Everyone has a different take on each situation. I enjoy the fact >that we are spread out all over the globe and yet have the same concerns. > I was a Stained Glass hobbiest for ten years. Last year I decided to >go for the golden ring and am now selling my work. I hope to be able to >catch up to Howard in the number of projects completed, have Elizabeths >patience, and Alberts knowledge. Each and everyone of you help me >unknowingly each day. I know that I am not alone in my love of Stained Glass. > And more heartfelt thankyou's from here!!! Meg Thank you to Glass@ bungi. com for all the time that you must put >into our communications to each other even when all we do is lurk!!!! I >hope that your summer vacation was relaxing and enjoyable. > If I have been deleted from your list please add me back on. Like I >said before I am going into withdrawl. > >Debbie Alexander, Wild Rose Stained Glass Studio, Coquitlam, BC, Canada > >Roses may have a thorn or two but we sure do smell nice. >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 11:48:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upfY2-000121a; Sun, 11 Aug 96 11:47 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: BlindCopyReceiver:;@compuserve,.com Subject: IGGA NEWS MEMO 08/11/96 Date: 11 Aug 96 14:44:22 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug11.184422.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ----------------------------------------------------------------- IGGA Online News Memo! August 11, 1996 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Random glass info passed along after being compiled by the International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. a 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dramatic changes in IGGA's web site ... take a look! Aw, shucks! We're kinda proud of our "new look" at bungi.com. Take a look yourself and tell us what you think: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lead-free solder suggestions from MEMO! readers Almost immediately after posting the MEMO! of 6/14/96, we heard from readers with suggestions for working with lead-free solder. The first was from Matthew J. Prusik, Jr. of New Jersey: "There IS a lead-free flux that is manufactured by OATEY (a part of Hercules, Inc., as I recall) that the plumbers swear by. I say the plumbers, because due to some Federal regulation someplace, leaded solder can no longer be used in domestic water supply lines. Consequently, there is a need to develop a lead-free flux to go with the lead-free solder. "The plumbers also say you can use the lead-free flux on leaded solder, but NOT vice versa. That might tend to explain a lot of the "non-adhesion" problems I see the homeowners having with the lead free solder." (Jessy Carrara will be reviewing OATEY lead-free flux in the next issue of Common Ground: Glass, the Guild's newsletter.) And a member of the Guild, Christie A. Wood of North Wales, PA had this advice: "I have found that using lead-free solder is not too bad if you use the right flux. When I teach classes, I will let my students use only lead-free solder. In fact, I use only leaded solder in my own private studio, working by myself. "For any class work or classes taught outside my studio (like teaching a class at a local church) I only use lead-free solder, so that I can keep all aspects of teaching stained glass as safe as possible. The flux I have found that works best with lead-free solder is "Fluxomatic-SG" manufactured by Stewart-Hall Chemical Corp. It is ideal for class work, since it is a slow moving liquid (takes it a long time to spill if tipped over), has very low fumes, is non-acid, and cleans up with soap and water." ----------------------------------------------------------------- A nice surprise from the British Society of Scientific Glassblowers I.R. Pearson of the British Society of Scientific Glassblowers sent us a package of back issues of their journal. At first we were a little confused, since we thought we were looking at the back cover (there was an advertisement for vacuum oils and greases), so we turned it over and found an ad for Schott glass tubing and rod. Then we realized we were looking at something we'd always joked about: advertising on the front cover of a magazine! Well, why not? This is a serious publication, too, obviously the product of a serious group of scientific glassblowers, although one that has a touch of humor, as well: the issues start off with "Ed's Crack," a nice triple-wordplay, followed by a message from the chairman of the society that's as warm and human as any you'd like to find. The balance of the magazine's given over to reports from various sections of the society (Edinburgh, Midland, etc.), photos of Czech glassblowing, then long articles on the techniques of producing particular glass apparatus, lists of events, abstracts of glass news elsewhere in other publications ... and a ton of ads for suppliers (mostly British, no surprise). Membership in the Society is available at L15 at the full craft, associate level, L7.50 to students, L7.00 if you're retired, plus L8.00 airmail postage, if you elect to receive the journal that way, from the Society Secretary, 24 St Michael's Avenue, Houton Regis, Dunstable, Beds. LU5 5DN England. (Prices are in Pounds Sterling, which is what the "L" indicates.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bits & Pieces Cyclone Blasting Systems sent us a card profiling the wide range of abrasive blasting equipment they manufacture. Get in touch with them at PO Box 815, Dowagiac MI 49047. Phone (616) 782-9670. Toll-free (800) 847-5973 or fax (616) 782-9623. *** Divas Glass Art is offering two-day glassblowing classes that cover the basic techniques. All materials and equipment use are included in the $350 fee. Classes are limited to four students; first come, first served, Sat/Sun only, November 16-17, December 7-8, January 11-12 and February 8-9. Divas Glass Art, 1100 East Rendon-Crowley Road, Building #7, Burleson, TX 76028. (817) 293-0190. Fax (817) 293- 9565. *** Nancy Gong's newsletter, obviously intended to increase her studio's business, concentrates in its Summer 1996 issue on her use of UltraGlass, a three-dimensional textured technique. She recently installed work at Virgin Travel's new Times Square shop (signage) and at other locations, too many to list here. Nancy sends the newsletter out to her studio's "patrons, associates and friends," she says, as time permits and need prevails. Good idea to stay in touch with old customers, as well as potential ones ... and, as "friends," we're glad to see it, too. Nancy Gong, Glass Artist, 42 Parkview Drive, Rochester, NY 14625-1034. (716) 288-5520. *** ----------------------------------------------------------------- Newest issue of Common Ground: Glass in the mail "Oh, how you've made my day!" writes Cheryl Kumiski, whose work is featured in the Summer 1996 issue of Common Ground: Glass. "I opened the package containing the cover of the not-yet-published copy of Common Ground and began grinning and hopping all over the house. Didn't the photos transfer well? "I haven't seen the final article but I'm absolutely delighted about the whole affair. Thank you for being so thoughtful as to send me the proof of the cover. I *will frame it and into the studio it goes." We sent her the press proof of the cover about a week before the issue shipped, since as we told her, if it hung around here, it'd just get dented and dinged and eventually tossed out. We thought she might be able to make better use of it. Guess so! The issue also includes a ton of lampworking info from Robert Mickelsen, a conversation with Elsie Burton, John Burton's widow, an article on teaching kids pate de verre, a feature on Schaak's Glass & Engraving, answered fusing questions, kiln- building techniques and a tool review of Makita's Taskmaster, among other things. ================================================================= Do you like receiving this online news memo? Don't do anything; we'll send it to you whenever we get around to it, which might be fairly often. Or not. It depends on how busy the Exec. Dir., Albert Lewis, might be that day or week. You don't like it? If this is addressed to you DIRECTLY, simply reply to 70544.3642@compuserve.com saying UNSUBSCRIBE in the text of your message. If you receive it via a NEWSGROUP with a glass focus, you'll have to UNSUBSCRIBE from the newsgroup, alas. If you're receiving TWO copies, that's because you get it direct at your email address AND via the NEWSGROUP. Let us know in a note to 70544.3642@compuserve.com and we'll set the program to eliminate the duplicate copy. ================================================================= Our Mission: To facilitate communication among glass artists, to encourage education and promote excellence in the glass arts. __________________________________________ International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. Tonetta Lake Road *** Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 __________________________________________ Membership info: 70544.3642@compuserve.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 12:40:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upgLl-0000iOa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 12:39 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: small space, big obs Date: 11 Aug 96 15:37:48 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug11.193748.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >If I attach the glass pieces to another piece of wood or >something portable, I may even be able to just do my soldering outside >perhaps, and avoid this problem altogether. I does get hot in South Texas >though... Well, I know what you mean. I grew up in Southern California ... not near any ocean breezes, either! 120-degree summers were normal, but then I wasn't trying to do stained glass ... just fishin' fer crawdaddys. >What is an HEPA vac? Special (read "expensive") vacuum cleaner that sucks up very, very fine particles ... like lead and other bad stuff. Monona will probably chime in here with what the initials stand for ... or I could look it up. albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 14:52:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upiPA-00013qa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 14:50 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: Subject: Re: small space, big obs Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 17:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <199608112150.RAA10093@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Albert Lewis [IGGA] <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: small space, big obs > Date: Sunday, August 11, 1996 3:37 PM > > > >If I attach the glass pieces to another piece of wood or > >something portable, I may even be able to just do my soldering outside > >perhaps, and avoid this problem altogether. I does get hot in South Texas > >though... > > Well, I know what you mean. I grew up in Southern California ... not near any > ocean breezes, either! 120-degree summers were normal, but then I wasn't trying > to do stained glass ... just fishin' fer crawdaddys. > > >What is an HEPA vac? > > Special (read "expensive") vacuum cleaner that sucks up very, very fine > particles ... like lead and other bad stuff. Monona will probably chime in here > with what the initials stand for ... or I could look it up. > > albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi, all HEPA stands for High Efficiency Particulate Air. Just info. Thanks for the newsletter, Albert. Karl in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 16:06:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upjZ6-0000Soa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 16:05 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: small space, big obs Date: 11 Aug 96 19:03:30 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug11.23330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > HEPA stands for High Efficiency Particulate Air. Thanks, Karl. I *knew there was a reason I didn't know what the acronym was. You're welcome on the newsletter ... I hadn't realized it'd been nearly two months since I'd sent out the last one and there's a pile of stuff to do, so expect more info shortly. It's been a crazy summer for me. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 17:39:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upkya-0000V0a; Sun, 11 Aug 96 17:35 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: small space, big obsession Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: <199608120035.TAA21252@mail1.gte.net> References: <<199608111512.KAA06181@mailhost.onramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Cindy Gordon wrote: > > > For tables, the folding library tables that > >Office Depot sells for 49.95 for 6 ft long work fine. Raise them with 1 > foot lengths > >of 1 1/2 " PVC pipe on each leg. > >Hope this helps. > >Lee Boe > >Rain-Boe's Creations :-) > > Hi Lee - thanks for your ideas - I think I may be able to use many! What > did you mean by using 1 foot lengths of PVC to raise each leg? How do you > connect them? Sounds interesting. > > -Cindy Hi Cindy, The library folding tables have tubular steel legs, so it is easy to raise one end of the table, and slide the PVC pipes on to each leg. The length may be more if you need the table higher. Home depot cut them for me (I batted baby blues, at the fellow) Then do the other end the same way. They need no attachment, as the weight of the table holds it down. Easy to remove too if you need one of the tables for another use. I use a Dirt Devel upright vacuum, with special filter and bag inside, although it does not trap very small particles. An Inland fume collector next to your soldering work will trap some of the fumes. (Available from Delphi, Glass Crafters, etc, for about $50. replacement filters are about $10.) Using the large ceiling tiles for a soldering board give you a light portable surface that is heat resistant, and you could take it outside. These are the large ceiling tiles I am talking about, they are about 2' x 4'. Cut into 2-3 pieces with a utility knife. Home Depot cost is 1.99 per tile. Aluminum push pins to hold the glass work go into the board like cork. I live in Sarasota Florida, so the heat in the summer time is too much to do the work outside. I risk some fume exposure to stay in the A/C Hope this additional helps, I am happy to help. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 19:23:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upmbF-0000IZa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 19:19 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: small space, big obs Date: 11 Aug 96 22:18:32 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug12.21832.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert, >> >What is an HEPA vac? << >>Special (read "expensive") vacuum cleaner that sucks up very, very fine >>particles ... like lead and other bad stuff. Monona will probably chime in >>here with what the initials stand for ... or I could look it up. << I feel terrible about the person who wants to work at home in a room with a carpet. I've been trying to get the courage to tell her I just don't know of a safe way to do that. The carpets are big fat filter-like reservoirs of dust and schmutz. Every time you walk on the damn things they puff up the fine dust. If you are foolish enough to think that carpets can be cleaned, just remove an old one that has been cleaned. The HEPA (High Efficiency Particulate Air) vacuum wont help. There have been several studies of carpets contaminated with lead dust and there just ain't no getting it out. The studies show that the HEPA vac just hauls dust up near the surface where it is even more accessible. Carpet cleaning and steaming were useless. The studies conclude it is better to just throw carpets out when they are contaminated with any fine dust such as lead or asbestos. I'd start by throwing the carpet out. Everyone in the house will probably feel better anyway. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 11 20:21:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upnVW-00014pa; Sun, 11 Aug 96 20:17 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:19:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug11.191945.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Meg (Mary, et al...) - >It is really too bad that they don't allow subscriptions. >I would love to get it regularly. What do you say Scott???? I say "sorry, but the only place to get Stained Glass News regularly is through your supplier." That's not likely to change. SGN is published, first and foremost, for the suppliers. They buy those copies (by the hundreds) that they give out to their customers, so they are truly our "customers"... not the readers. Obviously, the information in the paper is geared toward our hobbyist readers. When we are deciding what information to put in SGN, it's based on what we think our readers (whom we love dearly!) are going to be interested in, but our business decisions are based on what the suppliers want and need. Not surprisingly, they like having their customers come into the store to pick up the paper (and see what's new, and sign up for a class, and look at the new books, and buy some glass, etc...). If your supplier doesn't carry SGN, the best thing you can do is tell them you'd like them to. This is probably how most stores end up carrying SGN... demand from their customers. Give them our phone number (616/940-2999) or and we'll give them the details on how to carry our paper. You can order back issues (about half of them are still available) directly from our office if your supplier doesn't have them. They are $2.00-3.00 each (depending where you're located) which includes shipping. Feel free to E-Mail (or call) for info. Hope this helps (even though it's probably not what you were hoping to hear), Scott Stained Glass News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 00:37:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uprYP-0000IPa; Mon, 12 Aug 96 00:36 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Products? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <199608091341.IAA03594@mail2.gte.net> References: <<1996Aug9.34232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I saw the warnings on the DL4000. I hope the quality doesn't apply to the > Diamond Max grinder as well. Does anyone have one of these. Hi Linda, Yes, I have a Diamond Max and I love it. It lets me do some beveling for my boxes and candle holders, (original designs) and a multitude of other things. I bought the fancy model with extra round bits, and find that the ability to change bits is great. One thought, when you first get the replacement, take all of the bits, adapters, and the large disk off, spray the spindle that they attach to with WD40, then reasemble. Take care that the flat side of the spindle lines up with the set screws (tightning screws) of the disk, adapter, and bits. Once a week there after go thru routine again so the pieces don't freeze to the spindle. A bugger to get off when you replace the large disk if you don't do this. Since I work on glass every day, I clean out the grinder every night, and do the disasembly of disks for through cleaning once a week. It is still working great months later, of nearly continuous use. I admit I tend to take good care of tools and equipment, but it lasts a lot longer that way. Good luck Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 05:21:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upvyx-0000Fba; Mon, 12 Aug 96 05:20 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Our web site upgrade Date: 12 Aug 96 08:18:25 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug12.121825.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee, Thanks for your compliments on the web site. More (better) changes to come, as each upgrade I make suggests others, of course. We'd be glad to welcome you as a member, when you get to it. Naturally, our efforts are supported by the members, financially, and we do everything we can to support them in turn, so it's nice to hear when our work is appreciated. You realize, of course, that every dime of members' dues is spent on Guild efforts to promote members' work and provide the channels of information; nothing at all goes to salaries or pay ... that's all donated. In my case, it's 20-30 hours a week, but heck ... I *love this place! Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 08:03:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upyW1-0000Wna; Mon, 12 Aug 96 08:02 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:12:17 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960812141217.0068e010@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please subscribe me again. Glad to be back. Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 09:28:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upzpO-0000eGa; Mon, 12 Aug 96 09:26 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Plexiglass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:53:04 +0500 Message-ID: <199608121626.LAA02656@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk I've cut numerous pieces of plexitype materials with a circular saw - get a plaastic cutting or plexiglass cutting blade for best results. take your time making the cut and don't press too fast with the blade or your piece may bow. it might breakdown after several seasons - depending on thinckness, etc., and it'll scratch some, but those birdies won't care. good luck. Resacagirl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 09:28:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0upzoy-0000TEa; Mon, 12 Aug 96 09:26 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:57:26 +0500 Message-ID: <199608121626.LAA02658@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Scott, re: SGN: only one supplier anywhere near where I live, I buy most of my supplies by mail - faster, easier and more complete, and that supplier doesn't have SGN. would you make it available some other way? You say retailers are your customers, not consumers. Suggestions? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 11:53:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uq26O-0000uta; Mon, 12 Aug 96 11:52 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:33:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199608121900.UAA03670@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Scott, Very interested to hear your input. Request clarification on one point. Here in UK, we (consumers, as you describe it) can subscribe to the SGN. It costs about $3 per copy (I need to check on the EXACT amount) , from our "chosen" Supplier. It costs the same, whether they mail it to us, or whether we pick it up from them direct (e.g. when picking up other supplies). With other words, it's certainly NOT a "freebie". Did I understand you correctly when you said, you SELL (100's of copies) to "suppliers, in order for them to GIVE to "us" ???? Hmmm!!? The inevitable mark-up and profit margins comes to mind. This in particular, when one has to measure/weigh every subscription, every membership, every teaching-aid twice in the seams for ease of availability, value for money, quality as a whole and usefulness in the classroom as well as in my business. Here in the UK, any "hobbyist" who wants to learn stained glass, goes to a College , not to a retail shop/supplier (even though some of them DO run classes . Very good ones too occasionally). I myself am a teacher of stained glass and as such teach about 100 - 150 students a year. It is from me they seek advice about where to go, where to shop, what to buy and what not to buy (guess where Ed Sibbett Jr ranks on my list!!!). I have no interest in any one particular product or product line, but only what works, what's good value for money and what's best for my students. I get no discounts or "sweeteners" from anyone. Hence, I have basically either no axe to grind, but have no temptations to push a particular product either. My students either remain pure hobbyists or they get "smitten" and decide to go one step further. Within the educational system here in UK, I can assess them, qualify them and give them nationally recognized exams and certificates and send them off to do their specialized degrees and post-graduate degrees .. Universities, when deciding to take on any of my students, will ask me for my reference and opinions. Hopefully, my own students will also teach, one day, so that the art and craft of stained glass will never die. One COULD argue, that it is people like myself, who are REALLY your customers. I will still teach, long after the local/near retail shop has gone bust. I know that a lot of stained glass artists/craftsmen combine their work with owning/running their own retail outlet. That is not an option that I feel I myself could get into. It would then demand so many other abilities/faculties and retail knowledge, that I myself simply do not possess. But my teaching commitments are quite considerable and perhaps then comparable. So you supply retailers with the SGN... Have you considered supplying "the teachers" in the same way?? No criticism intended, no "beef", no axe to grind; merely a "thought provoker". But if it was not for the teachers, the stained glass retailers would havo no business..... (or before Stepanie jumps in my throat - not as much). You obviously have a Retailers Register. Any chance of adding a "Teachers' Register" ???? Just wondering... Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 20:08:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uq9kg-0000iSa; Mon, 12 Aug 96 20:02 PDT X-Path: sympatico.ca!taylor_buckner From: "H. Taylor Buckner" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pattern Books Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <199608130301.XAA00060@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To those of you unhappy with paying $25 for pattern books (who wouldn't be?), may I suggest checking out: http://www.amazon.com/ They have more than a million books listed, including over a hundred uncovered by a "subject search" for "stained glass." Their prices are quite reasonable, from US$ 5.25 up. Jennifer Buckner (c/o taylor_buckner@sympatico.ca) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 20:32:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqA8O-0000Dsa; Mon, 12 Aug 96 20:27 PDT X-Path: win.bright.net!dougsign From: Douglas Signs To: glass@bungi.com Subject: flashglass question Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:29:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug12.172925.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have been looking for a source of flashglass and can not find one that carries it on hand at all times. I have been told by my local supplier that he could order for me but he was not willing to carry it. I live in Ashland, Wisconsin and have to drive 1.5 hours west to a small supplier, but otherwise I order by mail. This problem with suppliers I am sure is not only mine so if any of you could help me out that would be great. Also I thought I would mention that my husband and I make our own glue chip glass because we have a hard time getting it in the colors we want. He runs a sign shop so glue chip supplies are available. Have any of you had any experience with doing your own gluechipping? This sight is very educational to me, please everyone keep it up! Thanks, Sharon Douglas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 12 20:46:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqAMJ-0000rja; Mon, 12 Aug 96 20:41 PDT X-Path: SNET.Net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: 'Glass' Subject: FW: Foiling during Summer Weather Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB88A2.18DAE9E0@nwhn02-sh2-port77.snet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB88A2.18FC7BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Tim Byrnes[SMTP:tbyrnes@SNET.Net] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 1996 8:22 AM To: 'Glass' Subject: Foiling during Summer Weather Hi Folks, Can anyone give me some tips on how I can get foil to stick on Hot = Humid Days. I do not have an air conditioned area to do my glass work = in,so I can't control the Humidity. 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Their prices are quite >reasonable, from US$ 5.25 up. > I have ordered from Amazon Bookstore several times (never thought about checking for stained glass though). I have always had my order within several days and have been very pleased with them. Thanks for the tip. Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 03:10:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqGQH-0000v6a; Tue, 13 Aug 96 03:10 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: flashglass question Date: 13 Aug 96 06:08:49 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug13.10849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have been told by my local supplier that he could order for me but he >was not willing to carry it. Yep, there're lots of retailers like that ... they want the protection offered by the wholesalers so you can't order direct from the wholesalers, but must come to them, the retailers, but they're not willing/able to stock what you need, alas. Have you tried explaining that to the wholesalers who *do stock the flashed glass you need? Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 03:42:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqGuk-0000qEa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 03:41 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: IGGA NEWS MEMO 08/11/96 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:21:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug13.132143.0> References: <<1996Aug11.184422.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the Online News Memo Albert, thoroughly enjoyed it. Andrea ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 03:42:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqGul-0000V4a; Tue, 13 Aug 96 03:41 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Visit to USA Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:27:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug13.132726.0> References: <<199608091531.IAA12902@peseta.ucdavis.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kathe R. McDonald wrote: > > Andrea, I live in Sacramento, Calif, (~1 1/2 hrs east of San Francisco) and Thanks Kathe, I will contact you directly at a later date and I hope I get lots of suggestions from all of you on the list. Andrea ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 09:12:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqM3d-0000Ywa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 09:11 PDT X-Path: t-online.de!GlasThoma From: GlasThoma@t-online.de (HETHOMA) To: glass@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) Subject: RE: Re: Glas design-Patterns Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 15:24 +0100 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Glas design-Patterns" on Aug 12, 19:52, Heinz E.Thoma writes:] > Hello everybody. > I am a professional german glas-craftsman with strong intentions on glass > design and trditional stained glass (Bleiverglasung). ALways looking for > good ideas to show my clients and things to reproduce for my showroom. > Any suggestions fpr information, examples, picture and pattern books are > welcome, as you never can have enough of this stuff to show the people. > we also have a 70 x 120 cm fusing-kiln, but as a matter of fact it isnt > very often used at the moment, because of too much work on other things. > if anyone out there would like to contact me, i d be glad. If you want the group to be able to read this....send it to glass@bungi.com -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 11:17:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqO24-00003qa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 11:17 PDT X-Path: netset.com!davefitz From: "David G. Fitzpatrick" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained glass lanterns Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608131817.OAA07976@zeus.netset.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm interested on comments from all out there who have had experience making stained glass lanterns. I'm primarily involved with tiffany lamps but would like to experiment making lanterns. I've never done this before, it's just an idea that was passed to me from a relative that collects antique railroad lanterns. Can you purchase the metal parts? Are patterns available? bulb vs. wick lamp, etc. I'm a newbie and this is my first post, so pardon if it's a recently posed question. Thank you in advance! Dave Fitzpatrick ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 15:33:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqRg8-0000ppa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 15:11 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: patterns,glass etc Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:07:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199608132207.RAA07539@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks, Back from holiday..... hemoglobin count way up spent most of the time at 8000' or better in the S.W. it really is true it's not the heat it is the HUMIDITY!!!The Mississippi River Valley suddenly feels more like an Amazon jungle after spending time in the arid lands. Wonderful art down there...natural and humanmade... new ideas abound!! After sorting through my mail (glad I didn't unsubscribe) it turns out I missed out on some really hot back and forths WOW! It seems to me that there are two groups of people on this list as there is in the real world of stained glass.. artists and hobbyists and I endeavor not to pass judgement on either. As a glass artist I can relate to Elisabeth's 'n Toby's frustrations when it comes to trying to encourage people to follow a path toward some sort of real artistic expression. On the other hand after reading the posts on this list for the last month or so I am begining to understand the hobbyists approach to glass craft also. I personally was never a hobbyist and when approached by such if asked, would give out my last dime or piece of bread but would not give a minute of time to answer or discuss anything glass related I'd just send you off to your friendly local glass retailer, and thats just the way it is/was. To me it's apples and oranges. So now what? where is the melding point? how do we remain positive and constuctive when trying to be helpful with information exchanges without interjecting opinions on direction. I know I've been guilty, many a time I've had to bite my lip and shutup. Maybe if the questions are prefaced it would help... H before questions that would best be answered by list members who deal with beginner and intermediate hobbyists A for art of stained glass inquires etc..try for a consensus opinion at least on tech stuff then an open forum and the art of friendly (or not) persuasion. Matisse didn't know squat about stained glass when he designed his first window.... blew it totally. ............... flashglass question..... I got nailed in the BIG PURGE some years ago one outfit canceled my wholesale account because I couldn't provide a photo of a STOREFONT... screw the independent designer fabricators... all they wanted were cookie cutter retail shops. (maybe a buying club for folks without a whlse acct?) favorite glass/worst glass.. worst glass was Morris Glassworks stuff that I batched at 3 in the morning and tried to anneal without a controller.. in the early days. You looked at it the wrong way and it would explode!! I bet some of the Delphi people remember it. It was pretty though the * Morris Warm Silvers* Glad to be back Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 15:54:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqSLn-0000pya; Tue, 13 Aug 96 15:54 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warner-Crivellaro Catalog Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:53:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug13.115342.0> References: <<1996Aug10.145521.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've been trying since, I think, March to get a catalog from > Warner-Crivellaro. I've called their 800 number three times. Twice I > left messages, and once I spoke with a real,or so it seemed, person, but > still no catalog. I'm trying to find a griffin body to make as a gift > for a friend, but I was interested in some of their other items too. > Maybe if it takes as long to get an order as it does to get a catalog, I > should just quit while I'm ahead. Does anyone know the secret to getting > a catalog, or does anyone know where else I can find a griffin body? I'd > love a gargoyle too, but I don't know if anyone makes them. > > Many thanks, > > Jerri > ---- Mary Ann Warner is a bit independent, to say the least. Keep trying. Be advised though, that W-C prices are not wholesale, just sometimes a bit better than down & dirty retail. Ande ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 16:08:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqSZ8-0000moa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 16:08 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Copyrights Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:07:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug13.12730.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any experience with protecting a design? We've copyrighted a few designs, but were unhappy to find the designs copied and with only a single line or seam change, the copyright was worthless. Any suggectiona? Ande ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 16:50:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqTDc-0000IQa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 16:49 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Re: Glas design-Patterns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:30:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199608132356.AAA00374@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey Folks!!!! A message from GLENNA!!!! Yabadabadoo!!!!!! Her, that must be obeyed, is BACK!!! I hope you had a SUPER break!; a FABULOUS holiday!! I hope you TOTALLY forgot US!! We all missed you like HELL!! Everything went wrong while you were away; we had glitches, spammers and God knows what! The air was full of sulphur LESS than a week after you went on holiday. In 12 hours we had 52,53 or was it 58 "General Post Master" returned messages. Jeez , you should have read the "sweaty, angry" post about it. ALL because OUR Glenna wasn't there to smoothe things out for us. CAN WE HAVE T H R E E CHEERS FOR GLENNA, PLEASE !!!! Secondly, I have another couple of things to share with you; Albert, you really ARE a treasure!! a) Thanks for your IGGA Memo - always welcome, always great fun, always informative; 99.99% leaves me with "green envy". But you even have a "crumb" for me!! Fancy having to hear from YOU lot "across the Pond", (in the voice of Albert) about the Glass Blowers Association in Dunstable, UK, which is literally 20 minutes drive from where I live/work!! Crazy, isn't it!! Am I delighted?! I am thrilled to bits!! But what a stupid route of communication!! And Thank You Albert!! I'll reserve a seat in the coach for you for Chartres next year, just in case..... You've made my day!! Andrea in New Zeeland, I have already contacted you direct. But what I wanted to share with you all, was the following amazing co-incidence. Andrea and I had this quite enthusiasic exchange between Uk and New Zeeland. Blow me, if 36 hours later, I had a telephone call from someone who had seen my Dolphin and would I come and discuss a stained glass design with him. I phoned back, said yes of course and went. He was so keen that I agreed to give up my Sunday afternoon for this visit (rare for me!!) I walked into this house, full of humped-back whales in every medium you can imagine, in every shape size and form. They were everywhere. It transpired during the following 3 hours with him and his family, that 2 years ago they had spent a totally unforgettable 9 weeks in New Zeeland, during the course of which they had become totally "hooked" on the marine sealife that New Zeeland offered, the most impressive and endearing creature to them was the humped-back whale. The result of which was, please Elisabeth, here is a round port-hole window expanse of about 3 sq.ft. PLEASE make us a New Zeeland seascape with a diving humped-back whale....... Andrea, I thought of you then... Did I say NO!!? You must be joking!! I came away with my car packed with brochures, leaflets, original photgraphs, stories, memories and nostalgia of a trip in a life-time for these people. Oh yes, I will make the stained glass for them.. I swam and played with all kind of seals, when I was a youngster and teenager in Sweden. It's an experience I have never forgotten. Especially not when you get individual seals coming back at you in the water the following summer, recognizing you, reminding you of a particular "game" the two of you played the summer before... That's quite something.... ...And, it's quite humbling.... Stained glass and water... I am obsessed by it, I come back to it again and again. But thank you Andrea! I thought of you all the way back home. Scott, we are still waiting... Stephanie,. SIGH !! thank goodness. Noone is after my neck - YET. Will reply directly.(DID you get my fax when i had to be Off-Air??) By the way Stephanie, you DO seem to have managed to establish a "good name" as a retailer/supplier. I am coming back to you hoping to buy supplies from you. My final point for tonight; if we treat him right,are terribly sweet and put all our best "paws" forward, I think we may have another "voice" from "little ole' Europe", namely Heinz Thoma in Germany. I don't want to be a solitary voice in the wilderness. I for for one would like to extend my welcome to Heinz (I hope Jerry will concur?!) Please Heinz, argue, disagree and/or concur with us. Don't feel intimidated by this overwhelming AMERICAN/CANADIAN/ .... flavour of things. Let's US Europeans give them "Yanks" a good run for their money!!! Come on, put your "oar" in!! My best thoughts tonight (midnight in UK) for you all. Elisabeth and - of course - Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 17:04:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqTRO-0000f6a; Tue, 13 Aug 96 17:04 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pattern Books Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:03:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199608140003.TAA22319@mailgate.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >To those of you unhappy with paying $25 for pattern books (who wouldn't >be?), may I suggest checking out: > > http://www.amazon.com/ > >They have more than a million books listed, including over a hundred >uncovered by a "subject search" for "stained glass." Their prices are quite >reasonable, from US$ 5.25 up. I checked it out. Looks great. Lots of stained glass books. I suggest to check your local public library if you are wondering what some of the books are. I work at our public library and they carry a lot of the items listed so I can see before buying. BTW those of you looking for pattern books, have you thought of the library? Thats a great source too. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 17:21:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqThj-0000r7a; Tue, 13 Aug 96 17:20 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Re: Glas design-Patterns Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:20:49 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "RE: Re: Glas design-Patterns" on Aug 14, 0:30, "Toby" writes:] > Hey Folks!!!! > A message from GLENNA!!!! Yabadabadoo!!!!!! Her, that must be obeyed, > is BACK!!! > I hope you had a SUPER break!; a FABULOUS holiday!! I hope you > TOTALLY forgot US!! We all missed you like HELL!! Everything went > CAN WE HAVE T H R E E CHEERS FOR GLENNA, PLEASE !!!! Gee, it's nice to know you're missed! Thanks,..it's good to be back. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 17:37:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqTxB-0000Gja; Tue, 13 Aug 96 17:36 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patterns,glass etc Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:17:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199608140043.BAA03280@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Len, Wow!!! You obviously had a good holiday! Mind sharpened like a scalpel! I am glad you are back too. Missed you!! Yes, it's true I DO ache for the real artistic expression. But I do also recognize the validity of the "Hobbyist's" point of view. After all, I have so many of them in my own classes. For the survival and development of any "art form", I suppose there has to be a certain amount of "passion" involved. I admit to the weakness of such a passion. I know perfectly well that the people I train, I am training to be my potential "competitors". In a way, that's what I want them to be; I want them to be better than me, find newer and better ways of doing things, find newer ways of linking up with the past. In a funny sort of way, if they DO NOT, then I have failed them. And I have failed the Art of Stained Glass.. YES, I want to make a living out of it, yes I want to pay my mortgage, yes I want to be able to afford my weekly shopping and my once weekly indulgances; and YES - TOBY gets his food, before I do. Neverthelless, we have been endowed with, given or talented enough - call it what you wish - an ancient knowledge and craft that must not die.. I do not care if I pass it on to hobbyists, semi-professionals, professionals or academics. ALL are equally valid. That's why I care so passionately and protectively about my students - on whatever level. Equally , my eyes and ears are wide awake when my students have a new idea, a new approach. Len, GREAT to have you back. And yes, a coin ALWAYS has 2 sides. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 18:50:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqV3p-0000dia; Tue, 13 Aug 96 18:47 PDT X-Path: peganet.com!jjaleo From: jjaleo@peganet.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: When to tack and tin copper foil Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:00:08 -0400 Message-ID: <199608140200.WAA03963@perseus.peganet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am making a "Tiffany" lamp--600 pieces in 3 sections. I've cut pieces for one section (200) pieces. It will take me quite a while to foil the 200 pieces. Should I: 1. foil all the pieces before tacking and tinning the foil, or 2. is it better to foil a small section, tack and tin before moving on to the next section? I'm afraid if I wait to foil all the pieces, oxidation will begin and interfere with the soldering. What is the best technique? J.J. Aleo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 20:12:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqWN0-0000nua; Tue, 13 Aug 96 20:11 PDT X-Path: wport.com!Trigley From: Trigley@wport.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: When to tack and tin copper foil Date: 13 Aug 1996 20:24:06 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GL>I am making a "Tiffany" lamp--600 pieces in 3 sections. I've cut pieces for GL>one section (200) pieces. It will take me quite a while to foil the 200 GL>pieces. Should I: GL> 1. foil all the pieces before tacking and tinning the foil, or GL> 2. is it better to foil a small section, tack and tin before moving GL>on to the next section? GL>I'm afraid if I wait to foil all the pieces, oxidation will begin and GL>interfere with the soldering. GL>What is the best technique? GL>J.J. Aleo My experience has been that it is best to wait 'til all the glass pieces are ready to be foiled before foiling any of them, because the copper will corrode once it is exposed to the air, or rather to the chemicals in the air; however, I've seen people preserve foiled pieces for months by wrapping them in plastic kitchen wrap. I would heartily recommend against doing any soldering until it can all be done at the same time because of the problems fluxing tends to cause on the bare copper in only a few days. Possibly someone has had experience different from mine? Ted Rigley, trigley@wport.com TM Glass and Bronze, Seattle ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 20:20:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqWSQ-000021a; Tue, 13 Aug 96 20:17 PDT X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Warner Crivellaro Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:15:11 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug14.31511.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who sent me information about trying to get a catalog. I guess I'm going to call and pay for a catalog, unless I decide to forget the whole thing for the time being. It's hard to meet the minimum $25 order without one. Thanks to Shirley and Christie for the offers of looking things up for me. If I come across whatever else it was I was interested in, you may hear from me again. If I didn't reply to anyone, it's because (and I hate to admit this) I accidentlly deleted some of my E-mail before I read it. Some of us shouldn't chew gum and read e-mail at the same time. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 13 21:12:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqXGi-0000NWa; Tue, 13 Aug 96 21:09 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Message from Internet Date: 13 Aug 96 22:57:47 EDT Message-ID: <960814025747_75054.2542_GHJ107-3@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane Wilson, >>Stephanie Braman delphigl@voyager.net of Delphi Stained Glass suggested that >>I write to you with my query. I would like to make leaded glass Christmas >>Tree ornaments and have children decorate them by painting designs on the >>glass. My question, which I know will be asked of me by parents is: How >>safe is it for children to handle these one-dimensional glass ornaments e.g. >>while painting a design on the face? The lead solder I am presently using >>is a 60/40 lead and tin. I realize that there is a lead free solder on the >>market but as yet I haven't used it and don't know the toxicity of it. There are studies now that show that the lead oxide that gets on the skin absorbs through the skin. Just handling the ornaments, however, should only contribute a very small amount of lead to the body. Handling leaded ornaments and putting the fingers in the mouth or eating while working is a more likely route. And what "paints" are you decorating the glass with? Some glass paints contain lead and these can be the largest source of exposure of all. Glass paints and any paint for "art" purposes are all exempt from consumer lead laws and can contain lead. There are a number of lead-free solders on the market. The ones you want are free of antimony, too. Solders containing metals such as silver, copper, zinc and tin are much less toxic. Monona Rossol, industrial hygenist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 NYC 10012-2586 212/777-0062 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 02:08:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqbvG-0000a6a; Wed, 14 Aug 96 02:07 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:07:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9608140907.AA12791@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Aug13.12730.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone have any experience with protecting a design? We've > copyrighted a few designs, but were unhappy to find the designs copied > and with only a single line or seam change, the copyright was worthless. > Any suggectiona? Hmm. I'm not sure how (or if :-) ) copyright law applies to designs - but normally, there's the concept of "derivative works", which require permission from the original copyright holder. So if they're selling patterns, you may be able to do something. I'm not sure, but I *think* that design protection (people selling similar products) may be covered by different laws. Any experts out there? -Jerry -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ www.selune.demon.co.uk (soon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 02:44:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqcSP-0000WNa; Wed, 14 Aug 96 02:41 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: UK/Welcome Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:41:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9608140941.AA12913@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<199608132356.AAA00374@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ELisabeth wrote: Fancy having to hear from YOU lot "across > the Pond", (in the voice of Albert) about the Glass Blowers > Association in Dunstable, UK, which is literally 20 minutes drive > from where I live/work!! Crazy, isn't it!! I'd missed that bit :-). Having gone off and checked the North Lights web page, which bit of Hertfordshire are you in? I'm in Hemel Hempstead... (and do you know of any reasonably handy suppliers?) > My final point for tonight; if we treat him right,are terribly sweet > and put all our best "paws" forward, I think we may have another > "voice" from "little ole' Europe", namely Heinz Thoma in Germany. > I don't want to be a solitary voice in the wilderness. I for for one > would like to extend my welcome to Heinz (I hope Jerry will concur?!) Yes - the more the merrier :-). -Jerry -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ www.selune.demon.co.uk (mugshot) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 02:51:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqcZi-0000bra; Wed, 14 Aug 96 02:49 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Copyrights Date: 14 Aug 96 05:47:49 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug14.94749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Does anyone have any experience with protecting a design? We've >copyrighted a few designs, but were unhappy to find the designs copied >and with only a single line or seam change, the copyright was worthless. >Any suggectiona? Ande, Copyrights, like anything else, are only worth what you're willing to fight for. If you've embellished each of your drawing, designs, pieces of finished work, etc., with "Copyright (c) [year] Ande [Lastname]" you own the copyright. Owning the copyright means you *own it. If someone else uses it without permission or license, you can force them to *stop doing that (although you'll have to spend money on lawyers and so on). But you can't collect any money damages. You can only collect money if you also *register the copyright with the Library of Congress, pay the fee and send in the forms with copies of the designs. If you've done that, you can both stop the varmits *and sue their socks off. Want the name of a dandy copyright attorney? Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 04:16:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqdsG-0000c5a; Wed, 14 Aug 96 04:12 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:12:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9608141112.AA13251@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Aug14.94749.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If you've embellished each of your drawing, designs, pieces of finished work, > etc., with "Copyright (c) [year] Ande [Lastname]" you own the copyright. Actually, under the Berne Convention, which now includes the US, you own the copyright of anything you create whether you add an explicit notice or not - but making it explicit is a good idea anyway :-) -Jerry -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ www.selune.demon.co.uk (soon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 05:34:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqf5s-0000XFa; Wed, 14 Aug 96 05:30 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: UK/Welcome Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug14.43026.0> References: <<9608140941.AA12913@crosfield.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerry Cullingford wrote: (Elisabeth speaking here:) > > My final point for tonight; if we treat him right,are terribly sweet > > and put all our best "paws" forward, I think we may have another > > "voice" from "little ole' Europe", namely Heinz Thoma in Germany. > > I don't want to be a solitary voice in the wilderness. I for for one > > would like to extend my welcome to Heinz (I hope Jerry will concur?!) > > Yes - the more the merrier :-). > > -Jerry > Some time back we heard from some Italian glass artists, are they still with us? Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 06:48:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqgHj-0000vVa; Wed, 14 Aug 96 06:46 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass lanterns Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:23:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug14.52314.0> References: <<199608131817.OAA07976@zeus.netset.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk David G. Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I'm interested on comments from all out there who have had experience making > stained glass lanterns. I'm primarily involved with tiffany lamps but would > like to experiment making lanterns. I've never done this before, it's just > an idea that was passed to me from a relative that collects antique railroad > lanterns. Can you purchase the metal parts? Are patterns available? bulb > vs. wick lamp, etc. I'm a newbie and this is my first post, so pardon if > it's a recently posed question. > > Thank you in advance! > Carolyn Kyle just put out a new book on Stained Glass Lanterns! And there are ways to order the metal parts to go with them. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Bellefontaine, OH ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 08:22:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqhl8-0000koa; Wed, 14 Aug 96 08:21 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: UK/Welcome Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:02:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199608141528.QAA24038@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: UK/Welcome Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 08:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-to: glass@bungi.com On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Jerry Cullingford wrote: (Elisabeth speaking here:) > > My final point for tonight; if we treat him right,are terribly sweet > > and put all our best "paws" forward, I think we may have another > > "voice" from "little ole' Europe", namely Heinz Thoma in Germany. > > I don't want to be a solitary voice in the wilderness. I for for one > > would like to extend my welcome to Heinz (I hope Jerry will concur?!) > > Yes - the more the merrier :-). > > -Jerry > Some time back we heard from some Italian glass artists, are they still with us? Mary ....unless Mafia got there first... Shall we send out a search party? :- ) Toby ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 09:12:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqiY7-0000oGa; Wed, 14 Aug 96 09:12 PDT X-Path: vetmed.wsu.edu!JCGRAHN From: "Jennifer C. Grahn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: When to tack and tin copper foil Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:09:31 PST8PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am making a "Tiffany" lamp--600 pieces in 3 sections. I've cut pieces for one section (200) pieces. It will take me quite a while to foil the 200 pieces. Should I: 1. foil all the pieces before tacking and tinning the foil, or 2. is it better to foil a small section, tack and tin before moving on to the next section? I'm afraid if I wait to foil all the pieces, oxidation will begin and interfere with the soldering. What is the best technique? J.J. Aleo I have foiled and tacked as I go along with rounded lamps. I find it difficult to keep everything in the right place unless I tack it. However, I use very little flux and right after I tack it I clean it realy well. But I wouldn't do this if you go for long streches with out working on the project. Hope this helps. Jen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 11:02:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqkEp-0000yza; Wed, 14 Aug 96 11:00 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: back Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 10:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <199608141759.KAA07691@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I am back in case anyone noticed my absence. I will start commenting on items of interest. Meantime have 2 commissions to due, and some desert southwest correspondence to push along. Enjoy...H -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 16:19:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqpDO-000157a; Wed, 14 Aug 96 16:19 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:33:21 -0700 Message-ID: <32127E61.2DA7@earthlink.net> References: <<9608141112.AA13251@crosfield.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Jerry Cullingford wrote: > > > If you've embellished each of your drawing, designs, pieces of finished work, > > etc., with "Copyright (c) [year] Ande [Lastname]" you own the copyright. > > Actually, under the Berne Convention, which now includes the US, you own > the copyright of anything you create whether you add an explicit notice > or not - but making it explicit is a good idea anyway :-) > > -Jerry > True, but protesting that copyright can cost more than the loss. I think that is what the copiers count on. Ande ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 16:30:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqlpe-0000wka; Wed, 14 Aug 96 12:42 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: What's the difference? was:patterns,glass etc Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:42:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug14.114230.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I read somewhere that "if it has a hole it it, it's a craft; if it doesn't, it's art." My question is, What difference does it make? Craft, Hobby, Art? This IS the stained glass list. To me "stained glass" doesn't define artistic intent, only medium. Okay, I'm a beginner and maybe someone just a little smarter than me could answer my questions instead of you professionals. And I'm sure that applies to just about everyone subscribed, but me. But I have wild ideas for this new found medium. Does the fact that I don't earn my living at this make me just a hobbiest? I have "passion". I have done a sun catcher (pattern), a kaliedoscope (kit) and a flat railroad lantern (pattern). Now I am drawing my own pattern for a glass dreamcatcher. Maybe some one else has already done this but this one will be "mine". I'm an engineer by profession and that's the way I approach this craft/art form. I've read every thing I can get my hands on about techniques. And I may need help as I go along, from the retailer where I buy supplies and from ya'll here on this group. Thanks for letting me ask questions. As I have said before... I am just learning the limitations of the materials (four tries before I got an inside curve cut without breaking the glass) and myself (I'm impatient and I must slow down). Thanks to all who gave me advice on best and worst glasses. Im not yet ready for "ART" glass but am am artistic. :) "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission." Admiral Grace Hopper Linda Campbell / lcbell@memach.com / (804) 543-6801, ext. 304 I don't speak for Metro Machine - nor they for me. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B43`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%SZ ,`!Q !!0``'@`($ $```!E````25)%04133TU%5TA%4D542$%4 M(DE&251(05-!2$],14E4250L251304-20494.TE&251$3T533E0L251305)4 M(DU9455%4U1)3TY)4RQ72$%41$E&1D5214Y#141/15-)5$U!2P`````"`0D0 M`0```&0%``!@!0``X@<``$Q:1G5.)B]\_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C M: K 8AW 2&]B8GD=P.4'$'0C(%1H! `: MX 7PGQP`&^ 3P MQ"8 @9PM@W001; 0`(" D8&\BT!O@_B(E.R! 'R4?$ W M)6$?\ODF(6EC'( ", GP';$"((YL(' '@"&P=6TN"H41"H5/:V$C\4DG;?$< M\6)E9PN )7 %P !P>QM `,!Y+# ;4P(@&^!JOG43P!SQ)A "0!U! ' MD "0`B '0',F4$&;+-$KTG,(0&X'4%0+QE=@20 M,A HD3/ 8@3R=2PP9!W 8C61!X F4$)O-9$:\!& -= @`_ O\6G_#; LPD280 M=@N 9QSP.V(DD?\BXB:2+>4=("/0-*$D03?5]B(*L#*C(B90-]4[\2BANS.Q M`Z!C'" 1<"R1* JP^P) !)$I'< =`"N -)$?($D$\&]P&^ H:QR0*?\LLQT` M&.$%0!Y@`Q #8!LQSQCQ0E)"""903F\'X!KP^F$K\&0>8 /P/1$PD4:0?P.@ M0B4XXQT`);1'$!L@;;M!E29032T7*<$;X&4S`/\;X!S#1/ ;(2!P0.,Y,S<2 MGSDS+:(X00,@+3$B;25A_T!"*^(#H GP+%$)X 7 (^#?,DDLLQP"'@$D\G$D\@# ]R\!!S$$("@YP2\A"(%, MH?]B@UCC+A$A`0"!#; >0 APOS@1:( %0 /P' `U@F(;$;]#P&05);-#]#"0 M$;!L''#^*"O2!W!"(0B0`C LLU?!_2WR7[]?8C3A!T # M(!N@)H!G. +]8&)D// B,2#Q+# N`BS17G<%L"X!);-70DDK\&X=9[%Y57%+ MQ#CR(D%2_E0@0"6T-Q)&X732*-4F4/PZ*1G-,E%6P05 "H<9[_D*A2))'?(X ML0B1;R-@H?\X\CCQ+% UT"5P!!$O0QUR_S3#56)#@%-@! $@X2 P"H7G??]_ M#W_:061.(!Y@`R!^1QY@(C$CL#1P!) JG$S5"X!D'0!#1N!P+#!-L6HO)@!C M@Z) !X `P6@.+@6@*_"#\"@X,#1!0_ U-#,M-H5@,>D=P&5X)D$SA7 *A3O6 M[G-#@"+P..--$< #8$H1VQ%P*((M Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqqJ1-00012ka; Wed, 14 Aug 96 17:28 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:32:08 -0700 Message-ID: <32127E18.1070@earthlink.net> References: <<1996Aug14.94749.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk > Copyrights, like anything else, are only worth what you're willing to fight for. > If you've embellished each of your drawing, designs, pieces of finished work, > etc., with "Copyright (c) [year] Ande [Lastname]" you own the copyright. > > Owning the copyright means you *own it. If someone else uses it without > permission or license, you can force them to *stop doing that (although you'll > have to spend money on lawyers and so on). But you can't collect any money > damages. > > You can only collect money if you also *register the copyright with the Library > of Congress, pay the fee and send in the forms with copies of the designs. If > you've done that, you can both stop the varmits *and sue their socks off. > > Want the name of a dandy copyright attorney? > > Albert Thanks Albert. We don't sell patterns. We have watched crafters memorize a piece and even watched as one tried to draw it as shown. When asked what he was doing, he replied, "I haven't seen this in a pattern book and I want to make one just like it!" As far as going after people, we sent a few patterns to a very famous pattern book lady, got a rejection slip as she didn't need our patterns, and then found the patterns in her next book. We couldn't prove a thing as she changed 2 lines and according to an attorney, the changes she made created a "new" and "different" pattern. 90% of our output is our own design & my wife is the professional crafter. I only look after the bean counting and computer stuff. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 03:05:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqzGT-0000ZFa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 03:02 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: What's the difference? w Date: 15 Aug 96 06:01:01 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug15.1011.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Does the fact that I don't earn my living at this make me >just a hobbiest? I have "passion". Good for you, Linda! I always say that people get a chance to hold glass up to the light and before they know it, they've been seduced by the material. That certainly was true for me nearly 30 years ago and I still feel the same way about it. Sure, I've run full-time studios in the past and have done other things at other times, but glass has usually been involved one way or the other. Don't worry about others who "cop an attitude" or who seem to look down their noses at hobbyists. It was the hobbyists who started the current craze for stained glass in the late 60s; some of them have now forgotten that they knew nothing at the time and how hard it was to find anyone who'd tell them anything about glassworking techniques, much less how difficult it was to find supplies of any kind. Many of those people now run full-bore studios, or operate retail shops, wholesale businesses ... even manufacturing glass ... and some have become just like those people who wouldn't open the doors or share information when *they were trying to get started. Shame on them, I say. And "oh, poop!" too. This group is just the opposite of that (well, most everyone here is that way, anyway), so just ask away and don't be shy. You'll get the info and leads and information you need from *someone ... and if anyone gives you the cold shoulder or seems to sneer in their messages: ignore 'em! Besides, somebody else will probably tell them to take a hike, anyway. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 03:26:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uqzZY-0000bSa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 03:22 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: 15 Aug 96 06:20:52 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug15.102052.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >We have watched crafters memorize a piece and even watched as one tried >to draw it as shown. Well, if one person makes a copy, as far as I'm concerned, that conjures up the old saw "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." But for your "very famous pattern book lady" to do what you say she did is quite a different kettle of fish, since she was profiting at your expense. Sounds to me like you need a different, more knowledgeable attorney. If you have copies of your correspondence with her, as well as the dated drawing you sent to her, I can suggest another one. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 05:08:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ur1AN-0000ika; Thu, 15 Aug 96 05:04 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What's the difference? w Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608151204.IAA13189@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >Does the fact that I don't earn my living at this make me > >just a hobbiest? I have "passion". I as well, will say good for you! The way I look at it is that the hobbiests are really the "children" who learn, experiment, and ask the darndest questions! As we grow and expand our abilities, we go through an awkward "teenage" stage, where it can feel uncomfortable being in the in-between time when you don't feel exactly like a hobbiest any longer but are leaning more toward being an artist. As a mature "adult" the focus of being an artist is very strong and passionate (not to say that there hasn't been a passion all along the way) about the medium and are still exploring but have developed an individual artistic style. On a personal level, I am grateful for the hobbiests, because I continually experience the wonder, the excitement, and the possibilities of glass. At this level, glass is so unknown and the possibilities are endless and children can be so fearless! As they say "Through the eyes of children....." Just my two cents. Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 06:25:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ur2NN-0000WNa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 06:22 PDT X-Path: aristotle.net!rwsmith From: Rebecca Smith To: glass@bungi.com Subject: pro/hobby Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:44:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960815082422.19cfc966@aristotle.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to Linda, Albert and Delphi. I am at this point in time just a hobbiest but have bigger plans. My opionion is that at one time or another everyone has been a hobbiest. I am sure that no one ever set up shop, learned the craft and sold the very piece they ever created. I have been lucky in the fact that I been treated by the professionals here in Little Rock and on this list with patience and respect. I will always TRY to help anyone who may need it. I to was also a little annoyed by the attitude that flew across here recently but I was always told that people such as that will have their day in court, be it here on earth or a higher plan so I look upon them with pitty. All the hobbiest out there keep going and keep asking guestions. Learning is the root of living. Rebecca Smith (rwsmith@aristotle.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 06:42:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ur2dw-0000UTa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 06:39 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Difference? I'm a bit confused Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199608151346.OAA10094@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear beginner, "Newbie", Learner, Hobbyist, Semi-Professional, Professional, Crafter, Crafts-person, "Artist"; how about "Artisan"? Dear Linda, What's in a Name? What's in a Label? Absolutely NOTHING! I myself said - quite pointedly - that for me, ALL are equally valid. Was it something I said?? I hope I made my point very clear - perhaps I didn't.... Perhaps there is a posting that I missed? At the end of Linda's e-mail followed an entire page of garbled text. Did anyone else get that too?? People often present themselves as "JUST" a Newbie, JUST a learner and so on. Because I am ALSO involved with teaching stained glass, nothing can delight me more than sharing what I know with "just a newbie"! Not only that, but "just a newbie's" ask me so many questions that I hadn't even thought about before, they QUESTION everything which, in turn, makes me think even harder about it, research a little more, to come up with the answer. Before I had just been happy to just accept something at face value, without bothering to think WHY. More often than not, I as a teacher, learn just as much from a "Newbie" as a "Pro". So don't feel intimidated, don't feel shy, just barge in there. I myself agree with the sentiments that Albert expressed earlier. Good for you , that you are now doing your OWN thing and feel proud and even "passionate" about it. I would love to "tuck you in" (in more ways than one) and have you in one of my classes to "fire" other people. A "hobbyist" is someone who sets time aside, devotes energy and mind into a pursuit that they love doing... is that BAD?? Some years ago, an "Artist" told me that I "was just tinkering around the edges of 'Art' ". On another occasion a ceramicist told me that she had "done" stained glass, but didn't think it was artistically challenging enough... (she probably didn't look quite as "pretty" over a cutting board with bleeding fingers, as decoratively positioned at a pottery wheel.... miauww). A stone sculptor at a competition inspected me up and down, when I won the first prize and asked "what on earth FOR" in a very loud voice. As Albert says, just ignore people like that; smile sweetly at them. Don't be offended either at "experts" who think they are so unique and special that they don't want to "share". They are intent on taking their secrets to their graves. THEIR loss, not yours! Something else... I myself am STILL learning the limitations of glass...... so you are not the only one! Really, I am "just a Learner" myself I hope I'll NEVER stop learning! :- ) Howard is back. Let's see what HE has to say. Welcome back Howard! Yes I had noticed a certain silence from your end... OK Linda?? Best Wishes & keep the passion fuelled!!! Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 12:11:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ur7n8-0000hta; Thu, 15 Aug 96 12:09 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <960815125839_502070017@emout16.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I am at this point in time just a hobbiest but have bigger plans. Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this discussion... It's been mentioned several times that everyone starts off as a hobbyist, then moves on to become an artist or professional or whatever. But keep in mind that there are LOTS of folks who start off as hobbyists, and NEVER move on... and that's great, too!!! >From my 15 years of retail experience, I'd say this description applied to the MAJORITY of our customers. They don't think of themselves as artists. They don't design their own projects. They don't sell their work... they give their projects away to family and friends. They don't care about fusing, sandblasting, pate-de-verre, etc. They don't have any interest in doing glass "professionally." It's simply how they prefer to spend their leisure time. They like working with their hands, and having something beautiful to show for it. They work with stained glass purely for the enjoyment and beauty of it. If it weren't for the hundreds of thousands of "crafters" who fit this description, many retailers, wholesalers, and manufacturers wouldn't be in business. I've always looked at the hobbyists as being the segment that's most important to the health of the stained glass industry. It's because of their sheer numbers that we ALL have access to the variety of tools, supplies, and glass colors that we do. To the hobbyist who only wishes to buy a pattern book and make a suncatcher for Grandma, I say "Bless your heart!" The more people doing stained glass, the better it is for ALL of us. Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 13:40:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ur99Y-0000OYa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 13:36 PDT X-Path: peganet.com!jjaleo From: jjaleo@peganet.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: When to tack and tin copper foil Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:48:54 -0400 Message-ID: <199608152048.QAA15478@perseus.peganet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just a note to thank the respondents to my problem. Your comments and advice are much appreciated. J.J. Aleo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 13:47:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ur9H2-0000isa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 13:44 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Warner Crivellaro Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just reporting back on my order that I placed on Sunday through W-C. It arrived today. So even if some of you have had trouble getting the catalog, once you get it, your order will come quickly. I'm off to Seattle and environs for a week. Keep those cutters cutting, the grinders grinding, etc. and enjoy. Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 14:45:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urAAf-0000gra; Thu, 15 Aug 96 14:41 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:41:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug15.10414.0> References: <<1996Aug15.102052.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk But for your "very > famous pattern book lady" to do what you say she did is quite a different kettle > of fish, since she was profiting at your expense. Sounds to me like you need a > different, more knowledgeable attorney. If you have copies of your > correspondence with her, as well as the dated drawing you sent to her, I can > suggest another one. > The problem we have is proof. My wife sent the patterns on spec, and they were returned with the "no thanks." We live & learn, we just didn't expect that from her. Ande ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 15:04:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urATN-0000ZGa; Thu, 15 Aug 96 15:01 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Etching Cream Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199608152203.RAA09615@mailgate.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does "Armour Etch" get old? I have a bottle here that is about 4 years. I am etching on bevel. I followed the instructions on the etching pattern. It turned out uneven. There are areas that look like the cream didn't work at all. Should I throw the stuff out and buy new? Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 15:38:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urB16-0000dha; Thu, 15 Aug 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Copyrights Date: 15 Aug 96 18:34:19 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug15.223419.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >The problem we have is proof. My wife sent the patterns on spec, and >they were returned with the "no thanks." We live & learn, we just >didn't expect that from her. Ande I suspect you suffer from the same ailment I do: the tendency to believe people, to take them at their word. When I was at university, though, I had a job for a while serving summonses ... and noticed that for the most part they were to people in the ritziest parts of town. Hmmm, thought I, the rich get that way 'cause they don't pay their bills? If you and your wife are made such an offer again, first of all I hope you don't judge all publishers by the one bad experience you had. Secondly, keep copies of all correspondence and attached drawings, etc. That's just being businesslike and professional. (Yeah, I know that part's hard ... I have trouble with it myself.) Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 17:03:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urCLJ-0000W2a; Thu, 15 Aug 96 17:00 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Etching Cream Date: 15 Aug 96 19:59:20 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug15.235920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kurt & Karen Shawkey, >>Does "Armour Etch" get old? I have a bottle here that is about 4 years. I >>am etching on bevel. I followed the instructions on the etching pattern. >>It turned out uneven. There are areas that look like the cream didn't work >>at all. Should I throw the stuff out and buy new?<< Yup. Over time, the material will convert to less soluble hydroxides and lose strength. That's obviously what it has done in your case. Think about where you "throw it away" though. It still contains as much fluoride as ever and can cause pollution and burns. If you are in a city that picks up trash, double bag it so no one gets hurt. You also could take it to a community hazardous waste program. Monona Rossol, Industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 17:29:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urCjB-0000Kla; Thu, 15 Aug 96 17:25 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: What's the difference? was:patterns,glass etc Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug15.14202.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8ADE.C59D1700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Linda Campbell[SMTP:lcbell@memach.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 2:42 PM To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: What's the difference? was:patterns,glass etc I read somewhere that "if it has a hole it it, it's a craft; if it = doesn't, it's art." My question is, What difference does it make? Craft, = Hobby, Art? This IS the stained glass list. To me "stained glass" = doesn't define artistic intent, only medium. Okay, I'm a beginner and maybe someone just a little smarter than me = could answer my questions instead of you professionals. And I'm sure = that applies to just about everyone subscribed, but me. But I have wild = ideas for this new found medium. Does the fact that I don't earn my = living at this make me just a hobbiest? I have "passion". I have done a = sun catcher (pattern), a kaliedoscope (kit) and a flat railroad lantern = (pattern). Now I am drawing my own pattern for a glass dreamcatcher. = Maybe some one else has already done this but this one will be "mine". = I'm an engineer by profession and that's the way I approach this = craft/art form. I've read every thing I can get my hands on about = techniques. And I may need help as I go along, from the retailer where I = buy supplies and from ya'll here on this group.=20 Thanks for letting me ask questions. As I have said before... I am just = learning the limitations of the materials (four tries before I got an = inside curve cut without breaking the glass) and myself (I'm impatient = and I must slow down). Thanks to all who gave me advice on best and worst glasses. Im not yet = ready for "ART" glass but am am artistic. :) "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to get permission." Admiral Grace Hopper Linda Campbell / lcbell@memach.com / (804) 543-6801, ext. 304 I don't speak for Metro Machine - nor they for me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I'd like to add my support to all the others I read and encourage you to = keep at it.I'm over 50 and feel that a day is wasted if I don't try, and = also learn. Years ago my instructor told me I didn't just do stained = glass, that I was an artist. The greatest compliment I could have ever = gotten as it fueled my passion and inspired me to try new and different = things. Sort of like the lion in the Wizard of Oz, if you believe you've = got a heart, you probably do! So as a believer, I call myself = "Artist"and I'm proud of my work even tho others question what I have = done. In this am. Mpls Tribune there was a picture of a man who was covering = the outside of his house with a variety of old shoes and they called it = "ART" so... who is to question....not I. I am currently trying to do a mobile for a memorial for a church. I've = been trying to locate an engineer who could give me suggestions as to = balance etc.(math is not something I am very good at, )any suggestions = on how to go about this or what to read? Keep forging ahead....congratulations on "sticking to it" unfortunately = the hobby turns into an addiction! 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m0urMnP-0000Wpa; Fri, 16 Aug 96 04:10 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Balancing mobiles Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:10:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9608161110.AA23143@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Aug15.14202.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue writes: > I am currently trying to do a mobile for a memorial for a church. I've = > been trying to locate an engineer who could give me suggestions as to = > balance etc.(math is not something I am very good at, )any suggestions = > on how to go about this or what to read? It's pretty easy - if you're suspending things from a rigid bar: | < A >|< B > | +----S------------+ | | L R (heavier) (lighter) Then the horizontal distance from the suspension point multiplied by the weight should be the same on both sides for it to balance - so A times L should equal B times R in the diagram above. (In other words, if what you're hanging on the left weighs three times what you're hanging on the right, then the right hand side bit needs to be three times as far away from the suspension point, to compensate.) if you want to do a multilevel thingy, then just work your way up starting from the bottom, and use the total weight of everything below as you work upwards. You may need to adjust the distances (or weights, whichever is easier) slightly when assembling; moving the suspension point may be simplest, since that's somewhere in the middle, and moving attachments at the ends might look a bit odd. Remember it's only the horizontal distances along the suspension bars that count - the vertical length of the thread/cord doesn't matter (apart from increasing the weight on that side slightly). For individual rigid pieces, they'll try and rotate until there's an equal weight either side of a vertical line through the suspension point: | + / \ / \ \ / \ / + which is fairly easy to figure for simple shapes; for more complicated ones, it's probably better to experiment before deciding where to suspend it from. Hope this helps a bit, -Jerry -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ www.selune.demon.co.uk (soon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 05:17:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urNnc-0000oga; Fri, 16 Aug 96 05:14 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: RE: Balancing mobiles Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug16.41510.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerry, Verry good explanation. I couldn't have done it better, myself. Especially without a pencil and paper. I can't think without doodling. Linda | < A >|< B > | +----S------------+ | | L R (heavier) (lighter) Then the horizontal distance from the suspension point multiplied by the weight should be the same on both sides for it to balance - so A times L should equal B times R in the diagram above. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 05:35:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urO4d-0000pja; Fri, 16 Aug 96 05:32 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Balancing mobiles Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:32:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug16.43214.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>I've been trying to locate an engineer who could give >>me suggestions as to balance etc.(math is not something >>I am very good at, )any suggestions on how to go about >>this or what to read? >It's pretty easy - if you're suspending things from a rigid bar: > > > | > < A >|< B > > | > +----S------------+ > | | > L R > (heavier) (lighter) Just a quick comment... if the above graphic (or others you've seen in the posts you receive in your E-Mail) doesn't look quite right to you or seems a little jumbled, perhaps your browser is using a proportional font (one that uses less space to print a narrow character and more space to print a wider one). Check your preferences and see if you can change the font to Courier or some other "mono-spaced" font... i.e. a font that uses the same amount of space for every character, whether it's an "i" or an "m" or a space. The graphic will look totally different, and probably make a lot more sense. Scott P.S. - Good information, Jerry. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 07:41:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urQ2s-0000VJa; Fri, 16 Aug 96 07:38 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Balancing mobiles Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:38:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9608161438.AA24079@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Aug16.41510.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > | > < A >|< B > > | > +----S---M--------+ > | | > L < C > R > (heavier) (lighter) > > Then the horizontal distance from the suspension point multiplied by the > weight should be the same on both sides for it to balance - so A times L > should equal B times R in the diagram above. One thing I forgot to mention (which is one reason why you may need to adjust things a bit :-) is that the suspension bars themselves will obviously (but I forgot) weigh something, too. If you want to try and figure that in as well, treat it as a weight (equal to that of the bar) hanging from the center of the bar - so the full thing becomes (A x L) = (C x M) + (B x R) (assuming that L is heavier than R, so the middle of the bar is to the right of the suspension point). basically, just add weight times distance for everything on the same side of the suspension point. Alternatively, if the bars are relatively light, and the weight on each side is similar (so you're suspending it from near the middle of the bar), you may be able to ignore it and compensate by adjusting the suspension point when you assemble things. If the bars are heavy, or you want a long bar with a heavy weight on one side and a light weight on the other (so you're suspending the bar from near the heavy end) you may need to do the sums - or move the suspension point further when assembling. -Jerry -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ www.selune.demon.co.uk (soon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 09:38:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urRrX-0000eJa; Fri, 16 Aug 96 09:35 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:31:41 -0500 Message-ID: <199608161631.LAA23533@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 12:58 PM 8/15/96 -0400, ScottSGN@aol.com wrote: >>I am at this point in time just a hobbiest but have bigger plans. > >Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this discussion... > >It's been mentioned several times that everyone starts off as a hobbyist, ALMOST everyone my friend,:-) there is a very small minority like myself, who started out as an apprentice....move that broom kid.....so you want to work with glass huh? well you and that other idiot start unloading that crate of storm glass..... well the storm glass was 3/16ths thick 5 feet wide and 12 FEET LONG! you could'nt flip it onto a table so you had to score it and snap it while on edge kinda like you do sheetrock just about scared me right out the door but I was hooked and they knew it so guess who got all the dirtiest most dangerous jobs. To this day I'm a firm believer in the apprentiship system. Sink or swim, learn or leave. Not a whole lot of coddling. Very effecient. then moves on to become an artist or professional or whatever. But keep in mind that there are LOTS of folks who start off as hobbyists, and NEVER move >on... and that's great, too!!! > >>From my 15 years of retail experience, I'd say this description applied to >the MAJORITY of our customers. They don't think of themselves as artists. >They don't design their own projects. They don't sell their work... they give >their projects away to family and friends. They don't care about fusing, >sandblasting, pate-de-verre, etc. They don't have any interest in doing glass >"professionally." It's simply how they prefer to spend their leisure time. >They like working with their hands, and having something beautiful to show >for it. They work with stained glass purely for the enjoyment and beauty of >it. Right. These folks deserve the respect and admiration of everyone on this list. Stained glass is not the easiest nor by any means the cheapest craft to be involved with. The fact that people are aware of the unique beauty of stained glass and have made the committment to tackle a project is definitely cause to celebrate >If it weren't for the hundreds of thousands of "crafters" who fit this >description, many retailers, wholesalers, and manufacturers wouldn't be in >business. I've always looked at the hobbyists as being the segment that's >most important to the health of the stained glass industry. It's because of >their sheer numbers that we ALL have access to the variety of tools, >supplies, and glass colors that we do. > I agree that it is very important to cater to this majority segment who are the backbone of the industry, however, speaking strictly from point of view of a window maker I think there has been some bastardization of the art and the blame can be placed on the availability of some of the gizmos and novelty stuff that's around now. Strictly my point of view and a minor point as far as this discussion goes. :-) >To the hobbyist who only wishes to buy a pattern book and make a suncatcher >for Grandma, I say "Bless your heart!" The more people doing stained glass, >the better it is for ALL of us. > >Scott > Your definition of hobbyist is very clearly stated and well defined, great. As far as defining artist I'd rather tackle the origins of the universe probably have a better chance coming up with an answer. I guess if you call yourself an artist you are one. I'd like to refer to my previous post briefly, Itook a lot of heat by stating that I would't give a hobbyist the time of day, mostly from folks who found it necessary either to describe their non glass successes or hand holders or folks who are not sure where they stand or where they want to go with there glass work. Apparently 99.9% of the people on this list would give out info freely. Cool. If I honestly support a minority position is it the way of the web to be reminded of my lack of correctness? Comments like I'm planning to or I think I might or the next time only provoke responses from me like you gotta *walk the talk* or even something more sutble ;-) like its all bullsh*t until you do it. Too much homogonized thought is a dangerous thing, only leads to mediocraty. IMHO My suggestion to preface posts (in hindsight not a great idea) was meant as a way to clarify responses to questions, in some cases close the book on it ...yeah this is what you do.... other cases OPEN the book....this is where you can go with it if you have a desire to expand your scope of expression. It was not my intent to insult or denigrate anyone or their work. I'm here to learn too. Len working on civility and communication BTW as a newbie who has'nt figured out how to do the archive thing yet so I don't know if this has been discussed... The most influential stained glass books in my life are; Architectural Stained Glass edite by Brian Clarke....From Mind to Light, Narcissus Quagliata....New Glass, Otto Rigan....and most importantly The Language of Stained Glass, Robert Sowers My personal *A* list on the art of stained glass ---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 12:21:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urUOm-0000dla; Fri, 16 Aug 96 12:17 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What's the difference? w Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 13:39:05 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug16.21395.0> References: <<1996Aug15.1011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just wondered if theres a way for someone anyone to join the guild? What are the requirements if any, I'm sure there are though. I'd be very intrested in knowing this information. Thank you for your vote for the hobbiest, we all start somewhere and usually end the sameplace as everyone else. Thanks, Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 16:32:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urYBT-0000nOa; Fri, 16 Aug 96 16:20 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: 16 Aug 96 19:17:08 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug16.23178.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >To this day I'm a firm believer in the apprentiship system. Sink or swim, >learn or leave. Not a whole lot of coddling. Very effecient. I heartily agree with you, Len. What percentage of 'serious' studios, do you think, hire apprentices these days? >If I honestly support a minority position is it the way of the web to be >reminded of my lack of correctness? Have you noticed that there are quite a few people (approaching 100%, in my experience) who are ready and willing to tell you how to live your life, practice your craft, what to think and how to act. They'll just jump right in there and help you out, telling you what you're doing wrong and why you should believe/feel/practice as they do. I, for instance, smoke... Told my boy today, however, that I practice at being a good man, not that I'm always successful at being one, but that everything I do for him as he grows up is to help him become a good man, too. He'll have to figure out the definition of "good man" for himself, with as much input as he'll take from me. I try to be a good artist, too; wish I had more time for it. Good list of books, too. I've met Brian (from the Rock'n'Roll school of architectural stained glass), have known Narcissus (the California school of stained glass thought) for years, have met Otto (same group as Brian), and had the very good fortune to have counted Bob Sowers as a special friend before his death. Interesting group: Sowers so low key and modest, though a superb artist; the rest of them not low key at all, but gifted each in his own way. No women in the list? Kathie Bunnell (I think there *is a book of her work ... have to think about that), the women of Bonny Doone studio, Nancy Gong *should have a book. Hmm. Maybe I should propose a series of books showcasing the work of women in stained glass. Wonder if enough of them would sell to justify the cost of the separations? Enough rambling from me. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 19:21:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urayD-0000dua; Fri, 16 Aug 96 19:18 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:03:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug16.14336.0> References: <<960815125839_502070017@emout16.mail.aol.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There would be far fewer healthy glass retail shops selling lessons (real expensive I think) if the hobbist never existed. My experience in the retail purchasing of supplies locally, has been very good. The clerks and helpers are great with hints and suggestions. It's the "pro's" who give negative vibes. "I've seen better foil lines with my dead mother in law." Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 20:03:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urbc0-0000j0a; Fri, 16 Aug 96 19:59 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: Subject: Hobbiest Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 22:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: <199608170259.WAA10352@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you, Albert for your comments. I also consider myself a stained glass hobbiest and by no means an artist. In my short experience, I have made several suncatchers and three lamps. All of the recipients of these gifts have been grateful and that is all of the gratification that I need. If some of the people in our group feel that one must be an artist to enjoy this craft, then I say to them GET A LIFE!!. Thanks to all of you that have given us help with your suggestions about tools, techniques etc. Just my two cents, Karl in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 09:12:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urnvd-0000L7a; Sat, 17 Aug 96 09:08 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: 17 Aug 96 11:16:10 EDT Message-ID: <960817151609_70544.3642_JHD118-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk < >To this day I'm a firm believer in the apprenticeship system. Sink or swim, >learn or leave. Not a whole lot of coddling. Very efficient. >Well now Albert, when I first decided to make the full-time switch from >computer analyst to stained glass professional I started going to the >stained glass studios in my area and asking if they had an apprentice >program. In my first try I was told rather rudely that they used to do >that but business was so bad they let off all their employees, who had now >formed their own studios and were out to ruin the local stained glass >business, and no one in the area accepted apprentices anymore as that was >such an old-fashioned idea I must have been an idiot to suggest it, and >"take your resume and get out of here". Very rude people. >So...I just formed my own business plan, got some financial backing and >opened up the shop. >Anybody else out there have an experience in the apprentice field? Christie, Well, my tongue was kinda in my cheek when I asked the question ... I *know of only one or two studios who actually have apprenticeship programs. But I don't know everything and was hoping that someone would tell me about others, primarily *their studios' programs. It's true that some people resent the fact that they've trained people, only to have those people leave (or be let go) and set up shop in competition with those who trained them, but I suspect that most of those who complain were themselves trained by others ... who in turn resent the fact that *they went out and set up shop. Ain't America great? Well, it *is America and everyone is free to do that. I'll betcha those who complain didn't have "no compete" clauses in their employment contracts with those they let go ... heck, I'll bet there were no *employment contracts! Can't imagine it. The smartest person I ever met in this respect was Gary Hollander, who not only didn't complain when former employees or others went into competition with him, he voluntarily went to them and proposed *helping them do a better job. Now he was a stained glass retailer at first, but by setting others up, he became a wholesaler ... but his *attitude was the difference: it's made him a rich man. If that was his intention, he succeeded. (By the way, your note to me seemed intended for the list, so I've posted it back to you via the list, since that's where the thread originated.) Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 15:10:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urtYt-0000X2a; Sat, 17 Aug 96 15:09 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: tiffany windows Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 13:20:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3215FF5E.EF1@mars.superlink.net> References: <<199608170259.WAA10352@moltar.cetlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i just got back from vacation and one of the places i went to was Blanford Church in Virginia. this place has 15 tiffany windows (real ones). while i was there i got a list of other churches that's supposed to have all tiffany windows in them. i don't have an exact address but this is the list: Blanford Church, Petersburg, Virginia. -this is the one i went to, admission is $3.00 pretty cool. Second Congregational Church, Seaport, Maine. St. Luke's United Methodist Church, Dubuque, Iowa. Bakers Memorial United Methodist Church, East Aurora, New York. St. John's Episcopal Church, Franklin, Pennsylvannia. First Congregational United Church of Christ, Elyria, Ohio The Presbyterian Church, Irvington-On-Hudson, New York. it also says at the bottom of the sheet that all the churches on this list are real churches, except for blanford. so you may have to call first to see if it's ok to check it out. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 15:10:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urtYr-0000FWa; Sat, 17 Aug 96 15:09 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: pro-hobby Date: Sat, 17 Aug 96 10:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <199608171720.KAA20331@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard.... I also encourage my hobby-type students to seek a place to sell their work. My philosophy is that a piece of their sale to a gallery or a client is better than a piece of "nothing" sold as an import or from another source. By teaching them to do quality work and try to get a "fair" price for their work, the general buying public may begin to recognize a better quality work and not be real quick to buy by price only. My own shades are anywhere from 15x to 20x more expensive than the "imports" and I still manage to keep commissioned. I served no apprenticeship, but learned by doing. I still do not feel I have seen my best work...only 15+ years and 1,029 units. Need more practice! If you sell a piece, you are a "pro"...then you need to decide if you can actually make any money at it. DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR DAY JOB!!!!! Enjoy...H -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 15:14:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urtd2-0000Sha; Sat, 17 Aug 96 15:14 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199608172001.PAA10843@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:03 PM 8/16/96 -0700, Philip S. McRae wrote: > >My experience in the retail purchasing of supplies locally, has been very >good. The clerks and helpers are great with hints and suggestions. It's >the "pro's" who give negative vibes. > >Phil hi Phil, Go ask your brain surgeon about a dandruff problem and see what kind of attitude he/she has :-) Len >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 17:46:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urw00-0000VDa; Sat, 17 Aug 96 17:45 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: tiffany windows Date: 17 Aug 96 20:43:59 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug18.04359.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Blanford Church in Virginia. this place has 15 tiffany windows (real >ones). while i was there i got a list of other churches that's supposed >to have all tiffany windows in them. That's the first I've heard of a church charging admission (in the U.S., anyway) to see its windows. Pretty clever. Heavens knows many churches have a hard time of it financially and that's probably a better route than some have taken (although who am I to judge?); some of them host cabarets and theater groups ... they just do what they can to stay afloat. Note, though, that many people call *any stained glass window a "Tiffany" window ... kinda like "hand me a kleenex, would you?" Actually, the real thing doesn't occur as often as people would like. I've seen people (church vestrymen, members of the church community, etc.) insist that their windows are real Tiffany Studios productions, despite another studio's signature in the window. What'reyagonnado? And then there are the forged Tiffany signatures ... another story altogether. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 17:52:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urveN-0000FSa; Sat, 17 Aug 96 17:23 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: tiffany windows Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 19:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug17.141757.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8C70.D5EB1600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two lovely Tiffanys are located in the Episcopal Church in Newport Rhode = Island. They were memorials presented by the Cornenlius VanDerbildts. = The sitting woman is wearing a dress using drapery glass.(georgeous, and = still a mystery as to how it could have been scored and broken) I'd only = have nerve to try it using a diamond band saw).While there, a gallery = was featuring LaFarges work and they had several of his pieces on = display.( I prefer his artform and color choices )Have been told that = Lakewood Cemetry in Mpls has a Tiffany as well as several originals in = Dulut,Minnesota.=20 The price of admission to the Morse Museum ,in Lakeland Florida is well = worth the minimal fee. (no cameras allowed) They feature Tiffany = drawings,vases etc. as well as many of his more famous windows. The = hanging lamp taken from his home is uabelieveable in size.They have the = Oyster Bay Window and the 4 panels from the Seasons Window (that was = done to gain one-upmanship on LaFarge. The guides at the Morse were well informed but I was surprised at the = lack of knowledge of others about their treasures , the artform ,and the = history of Tiffany and how he came to be so popular etc.(invention of = opalesent glass and his "thieft" of LaFarges ideas).Just a little bit of = history along with my 2 cents worth. Sue Reitmann ---------- From: M. Savad[SMTP:morn@mars.superlink.net] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 1996 12:20 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: tiffany windows i just got back from vacation and one of the places i went to was Blanford Church in Virginia. this place has 15 tiffany windows (real ones). while i was there i got a list of other churches that's supposed to have all tiffany windows in them. i don't have an exact address but this is the list: Blanford Church, Petersburg, Virginia.=20 -this is the one i went to, admission is $3.00 pretty cool. Second Congregational Church, Seaport, Maine. St. Luke's United Methodist Church, Dubuque, Iowa. Bakers Memorial United Methodist Church, East Aurora, New York. St. John's Episcopal Church, Franklin, Pennsylvannia. 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PREISACH" To: Subject: Brain surgeons? Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:22:18 -0400 Message-ID: <199608180125.VAA01339@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Mr. Alcamo et.al. My brother in law is a dental surgeon and has a friend who is a neurosurgeon. I asked the neurosurgeon about dandruff, and he was most helpful and informative on the subject. It turns out the "brain" surgeon is neither arrogant nor self absorbed. It is a pleasure to discover that not all professionals look down upon the novice. Thank you Mr. Alcamo for your provocative observations. Karl in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 18:59:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0urx8Z-0000Sja; Sat, 17 Aug 96 18:58 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Congratulations! Date: 17 Aug 96 21:57:45 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug18.15745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ You wove those bytes very nicely, Howard. Nice site. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 13:58:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usEva-0000VHa; Sun, 18 Aug 96 13:58 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany windows Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 09:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <321720AE.2BC@mars.superlink.net> References: <<1996Aug18.04359.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis [IGGA] wrote: > > >Blanford Church in Virginia. this place has 15 tiffany windows (real > >ones). while i was there i got a list of other churches that's supposed > >to have all tiffany windows in them. > > That's the first I've heard of a church charging admission (in the U.S., anyway) > to see its windows. Pretty clever. Heavens knows many churches have a hard > time of it financially and that's probably a better route than some have taken > (although who am I to judge?); some of them host cabarets and theater groups ... > they just do what they can to stay afloat. > > Note, though, that many people call *any stained glass window a "Tiffany" window > ... kinda like "hand me a kleenex, would you?" Actually, the real thing doesn't > occur as often as people would like. I've seen people (church vestrymen, > members of the church community, etc.) insist that their windows are real > Tiffany Studios productions, despite another studio's signature in the window. > What'reyagonnado? And then there are the forged Tiffany signatures ... > another story altogether. > > Albert > __________________________________________ > Albert Lewis Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. > __________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ok i guess i was'nt clear enough. ok blanford church is'nt a "church" anymore, they turned it into a confederate shrine, so now it's a tourist attraction. the windows are from tiffany just by looking at them, colors that i've never seen before, techniques too. i was hoping it would be flowers or something non-religous, but they were all saints. but at least i saw a real tiffany window. yeah that tiffany thing kinda gets out of hand, someone may go up to your work and say my what a beutiful tiffany lamp you have. so you take it as a compliment, even though someone else is getting the credit. but then the same person goes to one of those really ugly store bought round fruit lamps, and says the same thing. the problem with calling it a tiffany is everythingreally can be one, anything with opalesent, irridesent, etc, along with the "copper foiling technique", can sort of be a tiffany like thing. if anything, at least if you mention tiffany to a "common" person, they usally think stained glass. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 13:59:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usEvY-0000XPa; Sun, 18 Aug 96 13:58 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany windows Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 10:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <321721E1.31E7@mars.superlink.net> References: <<1996Aug17.141757.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Edward W. Reitmann wrote: > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8C70.D5EB1600 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Two lovely Tiffanys are located in the Episcopal Church in Newport Rhode = > Island. They were memorials presented by the Cornenlius VanDerbildts. = > The sitting woman is wearing a dress using drapery glass.(georgeous, and = > still a mystery as to how it could have been scored and broken) I'd only = > have nerve to try it using a diamond band saw).While there, a gallery from what i know of cutting draperey this is what i read. get a surface thats "forgiving" a semi soft material. then score the peaks of the glass, then tap the glass to connect the scores together. the advantage tiffany had was, if he broke the glass, he could just make some more. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 14:02:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usEz4-0000ZGa; Sun, 18 Aug 96 14:02 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: tiffany windows Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:18:41 -0500 Message-ID: <199608181618.LAA19676@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:17 PM 8/17/96 -0500, Edward W. Reitmann wrote: > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8C70.D5EB1600 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >The sitting woman is wearing a dress using drapery glass.(georgeous, and = >still a mystery as to how it could have been scored and broken) I'd only = >have nerve to try it using a diamond band saw). Hi Mike, Drapery is very intimidating looking to cut. Did you notice if the drapery pieces in the panel were mostly straight lines, easy curves but few tight radii? Seems like most of the ones I've seen were designed that way. Although I don't doubt that the artisans of that era could work any shape into any glass. Those guys were wizards with grozing pliers. The technique I used and seen other people use on drapery is to take a very sharp small wheeled cutter like a Diamantor and roll the score up and down as many hills and valleys as it will fit into then breaking a cardinal rule, go back over the score again to get as much continuity as possible along the score line. The next step, and I think this is the key, is not to snap the score but to carefully tap it out with a heavy ball end like on a Fletcher. Once you get a good run started it seems to follow out fairly nicely, although one thing I'd never guarantee is cutting ANY glass (usual disclaimers). Next time you have a extra couple of hundred bucks to burn, buy some and give it a try. (yeah right!) :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 15:12:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usG1i-0000c7a; Sun, 18 Aug 96 15:08 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com, "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: tiffany windows Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <199608182205.RAA23633@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 11:18 AM 8/18/96 -0500, len alcamo wrote: >At 07:17 PM 8/17/96 -0500, Edward W. Reitmann wrote: >> >>------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8C70.D5EB1600 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >Hi Mike, > >Drapery is very intimidating looking to cut. Did you notice if the drapery >pieces in the panel were mostly straight lines, easy curves but few tight >radii? Seems like most of the ones I've seen were designed that way. >Although I don't doubt that the artisans of that era could work any shape >into any glass. Those guys were wizards with grozing pliers. The technique I >used and seen other people use on drapery is to take a very sharp small >wheeled cutter like a Diamantor and roll the score up and down as many hills >and valleys as it will fit into then breaking a cardinal rule, go back over >the score again to get as much continuity as possible along the score line. >The next step, and I think this is the key, is not to snap the score but to >carefully tap it out with a heavy ball end like on a Fletcher. Once you get >a good run started it seems to follow out fairly nicely, although one thing >I'd never guarantee is cutting ANY glass (usual disclaimers). Next time you >have a extra couple of hundred bucks to burn, buy some and give it a try. >(yeah right!) :-) > > > >Len Mike, Excuse me for my inattentiveness on this post, it should have been addressed to Edward. I'm well aware of your credentials Mike and should have realized that you would know how to cut drapery. :-) Len >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 03:36:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usReL-0000GNa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 03:33 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Lucky Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:25:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug19.122515.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All I have been having a frustrating time getting (or nor getting) supplies. You people in USA are lucky as majority of our supplies come from there and if our wholesalers are out of stock we have to wait months for a shipment to come in. We can have it airfreighted but that doubles the cost!! Fortunately we have glass manufacturers here but a lot of our glass still comes from overseas. One example of waiting for orders.. English Muffle "Rose Red"... we have had this on back order for over 10 months and still the wholesaler has not received it and no ETA!!!! I think there is about 1sq ft left in Aust. I can't wait to get over there later this year and look-see what is available and new. Soooooo excited. Well my son arrived in Charlotte on Sunday morning (Charlotte time) and rang me to let me know all is well. When he left Melbourne, Saturday afternoon (Melb. time) it was bearly 10 degrees C and got out at Charlotte to 25 degrees C. He said it was a bit of shock and thankfully he packed some sports shorts! Don't forget, if you hear of any seminars/classes happening in December/Jan please let me know. Buy for now Andrea Melbourne Aust ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 03:37:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usRfC-0000IPa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 03:34 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: What's the difference Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug19.132656.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi to All again, Just a quick post to say how much I enjoy the group, with all the hints and tips and helpful advice. Several months ago I hung up my suit and donned an apron to work full time with glass and love every minute of it. I consider myself a professional (I have to put down something when I'm asked what my profession is) but there is always something to learn and I consider I learn something every day. My bread'n'butter is leaded panels whether traditional designs or originals such as country scenes etc. or restoration/repairs. My orders can be anything from leaded panels, copperfoiled lamps and mirrors to repairing a suncatcher. I recently made 3 leaded panels that went to Sri Lanka and 2 roses for retiring cast members of the misical 'Beauty and the Beast'. They may not be $8000 commissions but I am constantly busy, the bills are paid, and I meet some wonderful people. To anyone out there who is just beginning, HANG IN THERE, you will get the occasional knock. I once asked "how do you save your fingers when grinding small pieces" (I had ground all my fingernails down) and I got some wonderful tips and hints and tools to use but I was also wrapped over the nuckles when I was told to 'learn to cut glass accurately'. I must admit, at the time, I was totally demoralised. My motto is "Never say Die" so I set myself several projects to practice precision cutting. Practice, practice, practice. I made geometric designs that fit like a glove until I ran out of glass. Now I feel confident cutting pretty much anything of any size. I also practiced soldering until I got it (almost) perfect. I can bead with the best of them now!. My mind never stops, I have all these weird and wonderful ideas floating around in my head, and on reams of paper in my desk. Anyway enough already, I'd just hate to see anyone gave-up because they felt put-down. To quote the quotable "everyone has to start somewhere". Bye for now Andrea Melbourne Aust. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 05:23:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usTJl-0000Msa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 05:20 PDT X-Path: umbc.edu!albano From: albano renee To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: tiffany windows Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug19.42021.0> References: <<199608182205.RAA23633@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 09:34:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usXEb-0000Ura; Mon, 19 Aug 96 09:31 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany windows Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug19.2287.0> References: <<321720AE.2BC@mars.superlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Glass Lovers! The first time I realized that many people equated tiffany to the copper foil method was talking to a director of a stained glass shop. I was an instructor in stained glass there and he was trying to impress me with his knowledge of stained glass by telling me he had dome some "tiffany work." I explored this statement and found that he was actually referring to the copper foil method Tiffany began (to use up scraps of glass from making his windows). I did not correct the director and later thought, Why not use the term tiffany because it is so associated with the man. Tiffany was no demigod but he was the reason most of us are able to enjoy stained glass whether as a professional or a hobbyist. I served an apprenticeship and when I started talking opening my own shop after the resident artist indicated retirement plans, I began to notice resentment and the fact that I taught advanced courses, i.e., lead came, fusing, etc., I was asked why? Seems to keep a stained glass store going, all you should do is teach basics to eliminate competition. I teach now because it took me a long time working through the technical information to become skilled and professional. I simply do not believe this should be the case but then I am also a public educator in my day job. PJ from CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 15:33:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uscpF-0000zpa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 15:29 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Assembly of Ship Kits Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:29:27 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am wondering if any of you have ever put together a ship kit before? Any special words or advice? I haven't started yet, but it will be my next project. Thanks in advance for any tips. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 18:11:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usfJR-0000Wta; Mon, 19 Aug 96 18:08 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "bungi.com" Subject: Etched glass finishing Date: 19 Aug 96 20:29:35 EDT Message-ID: <960820002935_104344.622_IHS131-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi there all. I just completed my first 3 projects involving using acid etched patterns on glass. I'm wondering if I should put a finishing compound like Kem-o-Pro on the glass with the etching, or that would ruin the look of the etched bits? Thanks to one and all for answers. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 19:10:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usgDg-0000bGa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 19:07 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Subject: What's the difference Date: 19 Aug 96 20:45:48 EDT Message-ID: <960820004548_104344.622_IHS93-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What a wonderful letter. It sounds like I could have written it in a year's time (how's that for mixing my timelines?). I also retired the suits and went full-time professional stained glass, but only since last March. Almost went back into the 9-5 after a major $$ temptation, but weathered that storm OK. Too bad about the lack of glass in the land of OZ. I'll probably have it worse when my husband and I move back to NZ in a few (oh, about 20) years, but by then maybe we'll have a better supply chain built up. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 19:29:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usgVx-0000caa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 19:25 PDT X-Path: dwave.net!staingls From: Steve Schaefer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:25:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199608200225.VAA07859@home.dwave.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We have a local retail stained glass shop. We have now been in business for 4 years now. Currently I'm exchanging newsletters with two other shops. We find this a way to share ideas. Is anyone else interested? Steve Schaefer Schaefer's Stained Glass> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 20:06:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ush6L-0000nba; Mon, 19 Aug 96 20:03 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: McFrenzy To: Glass Subject: [Fwd: church stained glass] Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:06:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug19.16652.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Justin Shellaway wrote: > > Hello, > I thought you might be interested in a new stained glass window page. > Holy Trinity Lutheran Church has just finished it stained glass window > tour titled "The Gospel in Glass." Not only does it feature our > windows, but includes a narration and explanation of a great degree of > Christian symbolism by Pastor Dwight Shellaway. I hope you will take a > look at > http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~shellawa/stainedglass.html > and consider putting a link to us on your page. Thank you very much. > > Sincerely, > Justin M. Shellaway > Outreach Committee > Holy Trinity Lutheran Church -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 22:56:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usjno-0000SPa; Mon, 19 Aug 96 22:56 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Shula's ruku & children Date: 20 Aug 96 01:54:55 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug20.55455.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TEMPORARY RAKU KILNS Shula of the PurpleLama@aol.com, How happy I was to see your entry on temporary raku kilns. Your description of the kiln you envision is exactly how I used to teach and demonstrate raku. Just throw the boxes of soft brick, the burners, a 20# propane pot, and the other raku tools in the truck and go set up somewhere. It's so easy and you can teach firing principles as you build. Takes about 30 minutes to put the whole thing together once you have it down. Waiting for the brick to cool so you can put it back in the boxes is a longer wait. I didn't use kiln shelves, but has a way to moving bricks out of the way. But if the shelf will take the heat shock, why not? CHILDREN AND CERAMICS Don Jones asked about 4th and 5th graders doing ceramics and using electric wheels. I thought I'd tell you I've been retained as an expert witness in a lawsuit involving a 6th grader and a manual wheel with a heavy (150 #) fly wheel. She was injured seriously when kids were playing with the wheel and she was pushed into it. The inertia developed by a heavy fly wheel, or the speed at which an electric wheel operates, the nasty crack a returning kick wheel lever can give your ankle--all these things must be thought about carefully before letting children use wheels of any type. If there is an injury, it is very likely they will blame the teacher. If you are going to use wheels with kids, be sure you can control the class very well (absolutely no horseplay), that the kids are intelligent enough to know their limits, and that they are strong enough and large enough to operate the equipment. I also saw an earlier post about using glazes with kindergarten and first grade kids. This is not a good idea regardless of what it says on the label. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 NYC 10012-2586 212/777-0062 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 09:45:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ustv9-0000ZFa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 09:44 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:41:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199608201641.LAA20099@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:17 PM 8/16/96 EDT, Albert Lewis [IGGA] wrote: > > > >Have you noticed that there are quite a few people (approaching 100%, in my >experience) who are ready and willing to tell you how to live your life, >practice your craft, what to think and how to act. They'll just jump right >in there and help you out, telling you what you're doing wrong and why you >should believe/feel/practice as they do. I, for instance, smoke... Yes I have Albert and it can be painfully evident in a forum such as an e-mail group since there is a permanent record and you can go back and review comments at your leisure... So you smoke Albert! well if there is ever an occasion such a show or a conference and I want to find you I'll just locate the service entrance go out back behind the dumpsters and ask you for a light :-) > >. No women >in the list? Merely a coincidence > Kathie Bunnell (I think there *is a book of her work ... have to >think about that), I'm a big fan of Ms. Bunnells work ( I'd bet Mr. Sowers liked it). If there is a book of her work, I'd love to see a copy. > the women of Bonny Doone studio, Very dramatic and intense but not my cup of tea. There is something *mechanical* about it... throws me off. > Nancy Gong Don't know her work but I'll definitely check it out >Hmm. Maybe I should propose a series of books showcasing the work of >women in stained glass. Wonder if enough of them would sell to justify the cost >of the separations? I would think that a compendium of work by outstanding women stained glass artists might stand a chance of breaking even. I'll buy one. :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 10:56:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usv2F-0000kza; Tue, 20 Aug 96 10:56 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:51:55 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug20.205155.0> References: <<199608200225.VAA07859@home.dwave.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd love to get a copy of your newsletter. Mary Austin 801 Merry Ln Greenwood, IN 46142 317-885-7768 or 317-888-2548 fax diamnonds @juno.com On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:25:40 -0500 Steve Schaefer writes: >We have a local retail stained glass shop. We have now been in >business for >4 years now. Currently I'm exchanging newsletters with two other >shops. We >find this a way to share ideas. Is anyone else interested? > >Steve Schaefer >Schaefer's Stained Glass> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 11:28:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usvXS-0000ola; Tue, 20 Aug 96 11:28 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Well, I did it! Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:28:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.102859.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, I did it. I completed my fourth project (if you count suscatchers). And it was one I designed and created from start to finish. Thankyou, everyone for your posts on pro/hobby-what-difference does it make. I feel most welcome and comfortable trying something new - hey to me, breaking glass on purpose is new. Anyway, about the project. It's a dreamcatcher (or as someone here at work called it a dream reflector - since the the "web" is filled with glass. I designed it using Canvas on my Mac. It is about 11 inches in diameter with a 1/2" band of turquoise around the outside. in eight pieces. The center "web" is clear "watery" glass and on one side there are two white and tan feathers kind of hanging down from the side (though attached rigidly) . The whole thing is 53 pieces. I kept the solder silver, polished it and attached hooks on the back to attach a tan leather strap for the hanger and two leather thongs with turqouise and silver pony beads and real feathers that hang from behind the glass feathers. I took it in the the local retailer (who is probably an artist) to get constructive criticism. It seems that my technical approach is acceptable - all the pieces fit and are bonded together pretty well but my soldering leaves something to be desired. She showed me where to begin and end my soldering. It seems I have clumps of lead at the intersection of the "web strings" and some flat spots where the solder was too hot. I thought about fixing the solder but have decided that when I am finished with something, it's done and it's time to move on to the next project or another dreamcatcher and apply what I have learned. Thanks for the encouragement, all of you. For those in the UK and other places, a dreamcatcher is an Indian (native American as they like to be called) thingie that consists of a hoop of leather wrapped brass or sometines grape vines. In the middle it is woven with sinew (modern-day is waxed linen thread. It's decorated with feathers and beads. Legend says that while you are sleeping, the dreamcatcher, which usually has a hole in the center allows the good dreams to pass through but catches the bad dreams. 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Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Scrap glass Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.83545.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Being a believer in "never throw anything away, you never know when you = might need it", has created a monster, ie: scrap glass! Seven yrs of scrap is too much to = deal with and there is only so much moasic one can do. Any suggestions = out there from anyboby else that is a "pack-rat"? The trash bin sounds = so final.( I'm so terrible I even moved it all with us from Arizona) = Thanks for suggestions. Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 12:19:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uswKD-0000pTa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 12:18 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:09:13 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug20.23913.0> References: <<199608201641.LAA20099@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> >>. No women >>in the list? > > Last time I checked I was 100% female! ;-> -Lane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 13:08:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usx5S-0000sua; Tue, 20 Aug 96 13:07 PDT X-Path: fast.net!charles From: charles@fast.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines-Creative Castings Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 16:07 WET DST Message-ID: References: <<1996Jul11.19210.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Anyone interested in a Creative Casting catalog should reply to me and it will be sent. charles@fast.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 13:14:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usxBZ-0000u6a; Tue, 20 Aug 96 13:14 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608202013.QAA17986@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue, How about kaleidoscope wheels? Or you can fuse small pieces into glass nuggets (globs). Mini dollhouse windows. If you have loads of purple, green, brown....how about a wisteria lamp :) Just a thought, Stephanie >Being a believer in "never throw anything away, you never know when you = >might need it", has >created a monster, ie: scrap glass! Seven yrs of scrap is too much to = >deal with and there is only so much moasic one can do. Any suggestions = >out there from anyboby else that is a "pack-rat"? The trash bin sounds = >so final.( I'm so terrible I even moved it all with us from Arizona) = >Thanks for suggestions. Sue Reitmann >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 13:58:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usxro-0000fna; Tue, 20 Aug 96 13:57 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.125449.0> References: <<1996Aug20.83545.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Edward W. Reitmann wrote: > > Being a believer in "never throw anything away, you never know when you = > might need it", has > created a monster, ie: scrap glass! Seven yrs of scrap is too much to = > deal with and there is only so much moasic one can do. Any suggestions = > out there from anyboby else that is a "pack-rat"? The trash bin sounds = > so final.( I'm so terrible I even moved it all with us from Arizona) = > Thanks for suggestions. Sue Reitmann > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well how big is the glass? generally i sort out my scrap by color and size. if it's smaller than 1x2 inches i throw it out. you can make suncatchers etc. however i heard one person makes windchimes with all the scrap they had, and they became so popular that now they use normal size sheets. (you'll have to drill i tiny hole to accept the string). ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 14:08:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usy1G-0000iWa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 14:07 PDT X-Path: eos.ncsu.edu!jbbrauer From: jbbrauer@eos.ncsu.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608202107.RAA00935@c01021-111poe.eos.ncsu.edu> References: <<1996Aug20.83545.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have cast paperweights by filling a mold with scrap glass and then covering the glass with clear casting resin. This works best with small pieces of scrap. James Brauer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 14:30:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usyKb-0000Soa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 14:27 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Women on the list Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: <199608202123.QAA23352@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:09 PM 8/20/96 PST, Elaine J Cornell wrote: > >>> >>>. No women >>>in the list? >> >> > >Last time I checked I was 100% female! ;-> > >-Lane Hi Lane, The reference *to no women in the list* was a classic tongue in cheek reply from Albert to a statement I made in a previous post about the books that had most influenced me as a glass worker which were coincidentally all written by males. It was not a reference to the gender makeup of this list. >From following the posts my sense is that there are more females then males on this list. Unknown lurkers non withstanding. Len >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 15:10:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usyx0-0000oCa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:07 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <321A22CB.5AF3@bright.net> References: <<199608200225.VAA07859@home.dwave.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steve Schaefer wrote: > > We have a local retail stained glass shop. We have now been in business for > 4 years now. Currently I'm exchanging newsletters with two other shops. We > find this a way to share ideas. Is anyone else interested? > > Steve Schaefer > Schaefer's Stained Glass> > > ---- Count me in! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran joyce@bright.net Bellefontaine, OH > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 17:15:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut0ur-0000n7a; Tue, 20 Aug 96 17:13 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: 20 Aug 96 20:10:32 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug21.01032.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >So you smoke Albert! well if there is ever an occasion such a show or a >conference and I want to find you I'll just locate the service entrance >go out back behind the dumpsters and ask you for a light :-) Aw, Len, and here I was sometimes thinking you weren't an all-right sorta guy. Now you burst that bubble, for sure. I'm going to have t-shirts made up emblazoned with "Smokers of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your pariah status." Nah, too long. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 17:41:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut1Jv-0000kwa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 17:38 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:18:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199608210048.BAA21358@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sue Reitman, I had to laugh, 'cause I have had similar problems. Imagine the scrap glass left over after a group of 30 enthusiastic students have "hacked" about with coloured glass. 3 ideas for you, that I hope may be helpful; 1. The ceramicists love bits of glass that they can use as "glazes" for their clay work. If you don't know any potters yourself, contact your local adult education centres and ask them to put you in touch with pottery teachers. 2. Over here, I get loads of requests for coloured scrap glass from people who specialize in flower arrangements. Sounds odd, I know, but they use it at the bottom of a bowl and then poke the stalks of the flowers/greenery into it, instead of using that rather strange green foam material..) 3. Occasionally when I make the occasional stained glass lamp, I experiment with different types of lamp bases and use glass bottles - if it is an unusual and interesting shape - I then find it useful to pour into it coloured scrap glass to add weight and interest (and to hide the wires. You need to drill holes in the bottles for the wires...). Oh, and I almost forgot, a forth use; at the end of a course I also offer the (for me unuseable) scrap glass to my students. a) They are shown in a subtle (?) way how much glass they have wasted; b) They may be able to use it in ways that I can not or haven't thought of or do not find commercially or timewise viable c) My students might themselves know of potters, flower-arrangers et al, that I cannot reach. Howzat?! Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 17:41:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut1Js-0000kia; Tue, 20 Aug 96 17:38 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Well, I did it! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:18:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199608210048.BAA21348@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Linda, So, you did it, hey! Well done and good luck with your next project!! Thanks for the definition of "dream-catcher". Very interesting. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 18:36:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut2AR-0000Kaa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:33 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Retailer helping retailer Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.152716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8ED5.FD3667C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Altho, not a retailer in the sence of having a "store-front" I'd like to = share with you what my favorite retailer did. Maybe you can pass it = along in your news letter as a way to peak interest and get imaginations fired up. As a good and frequent customer he would = often give me odds and ends etc.along with his tips for "better" results = found from his many yrs. of experience. Once he handed me a large size bag of colored "globs" and said "have = fun, see what you can come up with!" Immediately I thought of centers = for flowers and purchased additional glass for a lamp with apple blossoms. He had gotten them from his wholesaler for next to nothing. A great way = to promote good-will plus help promote additional sales. Hope some of your readers find this = a helpful tool. Sue Reitmann ---------- From: Steve Schaefer[SMTP:staingls@dwave.net] Sent: Monday, August 19, 1996 9:25 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer We have a local retail stained glass shop. We have now been in business = for 4 years now. Currently I'm exchanging newsletters with two other shops. = We find this a way to share ideas. Is anyone else interested? 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Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:57 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: : mail failed, returning to sender Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:20:06 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug21.3206.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: To: ejcornell@juno.com Subject: mail failed, returning to sender Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:33 PDT Message-ID: |------------------------- Failed addresses follow: ---------------------| ... loop detection: maximum hop count exceeded |------------------------- Message text follows: ------------------------| Received: from fast.net by camco.celestial.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uszMJ-0002MwC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:33 PDT Received: from camco.celestial.com by fast.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uszLt-00044GC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:32 EDT Received: from fast.net by camco.celestial.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uszM4-000AfxC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:33 PDT Received: from camco.celestial.com by fast.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uszLb-00043fC; 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Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:31 PDT Received: from camco.celestial.com by fast.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uszKU-00034dC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:31 EDT Received: from fast.net by camco.celestial.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uszKf-000AfxC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:31 PDT Received: from camco.celestial.com by fast.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uszKF-0003KzC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:31 EDT Received: from fast.net by camco.celestial.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uszKS-000AfxC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:31 PDT Received: from camco.celestial.com by fast.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uszJz-0003HbC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:30 EDT Received: from fast.net by camco.celestial.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uszKC-0009QQC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:31 PDT Received: from x2.boston.juno.com by fast.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0uszJl-00047SC; Tue, 20 Aug 96 18:30 EDT Received: (from ejcornell@juno.com) by x2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id SAA10987; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:14:49 EDT To: charles@fast.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:48:39 PST Subject: Creative Casting catalog Message-ID: <19960820.175528.15686.5.EJCornell@juno.com> References: <<1996Jul11.19210.0>> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19 From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) Charles, I would love to have a Creative Casting catalog! Thanks! Elaine J. Cornell 11824 Loretto Square Drive South Jacksonville, FL 32223-4045 On Tue, 20 Aug 96 16:07 WET DST charles@fast.net writes: >Anyone interested in a Creative Casting catalog should reply to me and >it will >be sent. >charles@fast.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > --------- End forwarded message ---------- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 20:01:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut3UK-0000h4a; Tue, 20 Aug 96 19:57 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: scraps Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 19:58:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199608210257.TAA21900@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- For me, it is not cost effective to use scraps for my lamps. I have tumbled the color segregated smaller scraps and used them in flower pot bases, as well as dropped some off the bridge over the bay to let the tides wash them around the area..(justification by being only sand returning to sand). Tumbled glass pieces have a lot of uses, including giving them to "litle" kids to play with. Tried to give buckets of UNGROUND glass to visiting family mambers, but my wife and relatives nixed it... are not you glad you asked???? Enjoy....H -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 20:49:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut4GG-0000bYa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 20:47 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Lee Boe...RE:Scrap Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.174149.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee....this may not be acceptable to the group, my appoligies, but you = sent me an e-mail and my responce continually is returned stating = undeliverable adress. I don't know how else to reach you other than this format. Want to try to send me your address again? Thanks, Sue Reitmann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 22:33:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut5tv-0000lqa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 22:32 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:04:30 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug21.8430.0> References: <<1996Aug20.83545.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What kind of drill do you reccommend using to drill the holes in the glass? Thanks for your help. Mary On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:54:49 -0400 "M. Savad" writes: >Edward W. Reitmann wrote: >> >> Being a believer in "never throw anything away, you never know when >you = >> might need it", has >> created a monster, ie: scrap glass! Seven yrs of scrap is too much >to = >> deal with and there is only so much moasic one can do. Any >suggestions = >> out there from anyboby else that is a "pack-rat"? The trash bin >sounds = >> so final.( I'm so terrible I even moved it all with us from Arizona) >= >> Thanks for suggestions. Sue Reitmann >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >well how big is the glass? generally i sort out my scrap by color and >size. if it's smaller than 1x2 inches i throw it out. you can make >suncatchers etc. however i heard one person makes windchimes with all >the scrap they had, and they became so popular that now they use >normal >size sheets. (you'll have to drill i tiny hole to accept the string). > >---Mike Savad >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 22:33:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut5ti-0000YYa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 22:32 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines-Creative Castings Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:02:41 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug21.8241.0> References: <<1996Jul11.19210.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd be interested in getting a catalog. Thank you for sending it to me. Mary Austin 801 Merry Lane Greenwood, IN 46142 On Tue, 20 Aug 96 16:07 WET DST charles@fast.net writes: >Anyone interested in a Creative Casting catalog should reply to me and >it will >be sent. >charles@fast.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 23:29:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ut6m5-0000Rna; Tue, 20 Aug 96 23:28 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug20.20352.0> References: <<1996Aug21.01032.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis [IGGA] wrote: > > >So you smoke Albert! well if there is ever an occasion such a show or a > >conference and I want to find you I'll just locate the service entrance > >go out back behind the dumpsters and ask you for a light :-) > > Aw, Len, and here I was sometimes thinking you weren't an all-right sorta guy. > Now you burst that bubble, for sure. I'm going to have t-shirts made up > emblazoned with "Smokers of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your > pariah status." Nah, too long. > > Albert Pssst! Hey Len, Albert.....It's me, Shirley, hiding in this dumpster. Could I bum smoke from either of you? I prefer menthol, but beggers can't be choosers. Thanks! Shirley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 07:13:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utE1L-0000y3a; Wed, 21 Aug 96 07:12 PDT X-Path: macmail1.cig.mot.com!Beise_Tom From: "Beise Tom" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Retailer helping retailer Date: 21 Aug 1996 09:13:34 -0500 Message-ID: <199608211412.KAA10503@po_box.cig.mot.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To all you retailers out there . . . I am looking to buy either a Glastar "ALL-STAR" or Diamond Tech "DeLuxe" grinder. Is there a distinct advantage of one over the other ? What would be the best price you can give me on one of these grinders ? Thanks to anyone who responds ! _______________________________________________________________________________ From: glass@bungi.com on Tue, Aug 20, 1996 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer To: glass@bungi.com Steve Schaefer wrote: > > We have a local retail stained glass shop. We have now been in business for > 4 years now. Currently I'm exchanging newsletters with two other shops. We > find this a way to share ideas. Is anyone else interested? > > Steve Schaefer > Schaefer's Stained Glass> > > ---- Count me in! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran joyce@bright.net Bellefontaine, OH > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by macmail1.cig.mot.com with SMTP;20 Aug 1996 17:17:21 -0500 Received: from motgate2.mot.com ([129.188.136.20]) by pobox.mot.com (8.7.3/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id RAA14993 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:18:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by motgate2.mot.com (8.7.3/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id WAA18020 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:15:31 GMT Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0usyx0-0000oCa; Tue, 20 Aug 96 15:07 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <321A22CB.5AF3@bright.net> References: <<199608200225.VAA07859@home.dwave.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 07:13:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utE1n-0000vFa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 07:13 PDT X-Path: aristotle.net!rwsmith From: Rebecca Smith To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Scrap Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960821091524.1f1f5250@aristotle.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There is a stained glass company here in Arkansas that sells their scrap glass. They have it in a very large room sorted by color. A customer goes through and picks out what ever they want, it is then weighed and sold for $1.00 per pound. I have at this time about 150 pounds of their scrap. I use it in everything. It also includes antique glass's. I was there at the right time to pick up so real Tiffany. Since we only have one retailer here in Little Rock to get larger size glass from I go there only when I need a special glass or color. It is very cost effective to buy that way for me. The retailer charges an arm and a leg for her glass. Unfortunatly where I get the scrap from has moved to smaller building is going to sell what scrap is left in one lump sum and will not collect scrap again, even though he would like to. I guess I will start buying glass packs from folks like Delphi. I hate to buy things I can't see, so I may start asking guestions of you guys here on the list about that. Albert, I'll be joining you guys behind the dumpster too. Rebecca Smith (rwsmith@aristotle.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 07:15:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utE3H-0000H5a; Wed, 21 Aug 96 07:14 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Scrap glass Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.61512.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elisabeth. Thanks for the idea of using glass bottles for lamp bases and also for your encouragement on my dreamcatcher. I haven't made a lamp yet but will keep the bottle idea in my "to-do" book. I have lots of interesting bottles around. I can't stand the thought of filling up the land fills with something that can be reused. Linda @ @ ~ begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@X.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP! M````$@```&QC8F5L;$!M96UA8V@N8V]M`````P`&$*CAV `#``<0#@$``!X` M"! !````90```$5,25-!0D542%1(04Y+4T9/4E1(14E$14%/1E5324Y'1TQ! M4U-"3U143$531D]23$%-4$)!4T5304Y$04Q33T9/4EE/55)%3D-/55)!1T5- M14Y43TY-641214%-0T%40TA%4DD``````@$)$ $```#C`0``WP$``/P"``!, M6D9U8JYC-?\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R"0(`8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/% M`@!P)S=&5M`H,S-P+D!Q,"@S0$1A,S,2"["%4"@'T*@ C/"=D[%\]X M,C4U`H *@0VQ"V!N\&1)4(+8+QM<";P M)L 'D0!P9"A@J&QS;R4S>0AA( GP\P6@"'!A9Q/@"? %0 (@8"!M>2!D%] G MT&,,8701< 20+B!)(/41@'8)\"<%0 # #; H8&TGM'D1P";P=05 `_!L_0,@ M:PG@)_ E@B<$);0+@ $JDB)T;RUD;R+R(";Q;VLKEB>P)Q $(/\F$0N $] 7 MT!/ )F(G!@K _PA@*( KDBL@+!(3P"AR)8+S(. (8&=H*E$F(!Y@+;#])F)U M+A0:L2B0-0($( /P_R#@,Z #<"#1)F(@X"LP,T)_)O EH!?0)D )@"$&"H5, MV0N 9&$`#T``0````4```!213H@`````.;D ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 07:42:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utEUE-0000tKa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 07:42 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Tiffany Windows Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:42:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.64256.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I remembered seeing a Tiffany window when I visited Swannanoah in the mountains of Virginia. The place is a bit run down - their web page is nice it you like that sort of thing. But anyway even run down you can tell at one time the place was magnificient. It's a tribute to the couples' love. 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H&2,;H^[`1X`/0`!`````0````````!KX `` ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 08:09:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utEtS-0000tka; Wed, 21 Aug 96 08:08 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines-Creative Castings Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:03:26 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug21.19326.0> References: <<1996Jul11.19210.0>>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Charles, On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:02:41 PST diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) writes: >I'd be interested in getting a catalog. Thank you for sending it to >me. Me too! My reply to you bounced. Elaine J. Cornell 11824 Loretto Square Drive South Jacksonville, FL 32223-4045 > > > >On Tue, 20 Aug 96 16:07 WET DST charles@fast.net writes: >>Anyone interested in a Creative Casting catalog should reply to me >and >>it will >>be sent. >>charles@fast.com >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 08:20:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utF56-0000SXa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 08:20 PDT X-Path: MMAC.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM!Rund#m#_Sharen From: "Rund, Sharen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Scrap glass Date: 21 Aug 1996 08:22:37 U Message-ID: <1996Aug21.02237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk what to do with glass scraps - besides making wind chimes and light catchers....make flower pots! seriously, using terra cotta pots & some clay work the clay around the pot & add the glass scraps in different designs (push them into the clay - almost like mosaics - let dry you could also use this for table tops ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 09:02:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utFjY-0000iKa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 09:02 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Drilling holes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:56:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.55644.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8F4F.73D751E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a standard 3/4 in electric drill with special diamond bits that = come in different sizes. I get my bits from my retailer but if yours = doesn't carry them,maybe he would order them,or check with Delphi,they = seem to have everything or they are helpful about telling you where to = check.(I never tried a hardware store) Just remember you MUST keep the = glass wet at all times due to heat caused from the friction. As with = anything else....practice first. Sometimes I've used the small bit on my = grinder.(works if the bit has diamond on the top of the bit not just the = sides. Good luck, Sue ---------- From: Mary J Austin[SMTP:diamonds@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 1996 3:04 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass What kind of drill do you reccommend using to drill the holes in the glass? Thanks for your help.=20 Mary On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:54:49 -0400 "M. Savad" = writes: >Edward W. Reitmann wrote: >>=20 >> Being a believer in "never throw anything away, you never know when=20 >you =3D >> might need it", has >> created a monster, ie: scrap glass! Seven yrs of scrap is too much=20 >to =3D >> deal with and there is only so much moasic one can do. Any=20 >suggestions =3D >> out there from anyboby else that is a "pack-rat"? The trash bin=20 >sounds =3D >> so final.( I'm so terrible I even moved it all with us from Arizona)=20 >=3D >> Thanks for suggestions. Sue Reitmann >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >well how big is the glass? generally i sort out my scrap by color and >size. if it's smaller than 1x2 inches i throw it out. you can make >suncatchers etc. however i heard one person makes windchimes with all >the scrap they had, and they became so popular that now they use=20 >normal >size sheets. 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Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:15:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.91549.0> References: <<1996Aug21.8430.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mary J Austin wrote: > > What kind of drill do you reccommend using to drill the holes in the > glass? Thanks for your help. > Mary > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:54:49 -0400 "M. Savad" writes: > >Edward W. Reitmann wrote: > >> > >> Being a believer in "never throw anything away, you never know when > >you = > >> might need it", has > >> created a monster, ie: scrap glass! Seven yrs of scrap is too much > >to = > >> deal with and there is only so much moasic one can do. Any > >suggestions = > >> out there from anyboby else that is a "pack-rat"? The trash bin > >sounds = > >> so final.( I'm so terrible I even moved it all with us from Arizona) > >= > >> Thanks for suggestions. Sue Reitmann > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >well how big is the glass? generally i sort out my scrap by color and > >size. if it's smaller than 1x2 inches i throw it out. you can make > >suncatchers etc. however i heard one person makes windchimes with all > >the scrap they had, and they became so popular that now they use > >normal > >size sheets. (you'll have to drill i tiny hole to accept the string). > > > >---Mike Savad > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i do know there is a 1/8" diamond bit out there, it screws on to a special collet that attaches to your grinder. also dental burrs are diamond coated and can drill really small holes, providing you have some kind of drill to hold the bit, just make sure to use water (on the glass, not the drill or you'll die. :) ) ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 13:51:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utKCp-0000zsa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 13:48 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: Subject: Scrap glass Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:24:15 -0400 Message-ID: <199608212048.QAA03424@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rebecca Smith wrote about buying glass packs from Delphi. I have bought two of their Spectrum sample packs and really like them. The glass is a full square foot per piece, and a nice assortment. Also Spectrum is easy to cut and work with. Hope this helps. Karl in SC ps. Add another name to the dumpster club. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 14:55:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utLCC-0000tKa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 14:52 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:22:12 +0500 Message-ID: <199608212150.QAA11167@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Hi! What about the idea of putting your newsletter - depending on length - or article summaries - on internet - just think of the cross-fertilization of ideas. Is that a bad suggestion? I know there's been intense discussion of too much cross-fertilization of ideas lately........ if not a good thought, feel free to ignore. Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 14:59:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utLGn-0000Twa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 14:57 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Shula's ruku & children Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:26:07 +0500 Message-ID: <199608212154.QAA11293@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk I missed the temp. kiln stuff and would really appreciate seeing it again. if it would be easier, just send it direct to my e-mail, or through this forum - or would you rather fax it - i'm a "multimedia" person......sometimes......THANKS!Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 15:19:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utLZz-0000GKa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 15:16 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:46:51 +0500 Message-ID: <199608212215.RAA12003@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk how about using your scrap as fused stained glass jewelry - that's what i'm getting ready to do - and yes, i moved my scrap from north carolina to the rio grande valley in south texas. also, there are those garden path walkway stones - make a surface pattern (possibly mosaic), put in on surface produce and then concrete on the bottom - following technique outlined in several recent glass project magazine articles and books. (These focused on flowers, but it would work the same, I'm sure). Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 15:25:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utLfO-0000sLa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 15:22 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:14:57 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug22.21457.0> References: <<199608212048.QAA03424@moltar.cetlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:24:15 -0400 "KARL L. PREISACH" writes: >Rebecca Smith wrote about buying glass packs from Delphi. I have >bought two >of their Spectrum sample packs and really like them. The glass is a >full >square foot per piece, and a nice assortment. > I too have purchased several of Delphi's sample packs and was delighted at the marvelous assortment! >Karl in SC My father was a 'K'arl also! Where is SHAG country do you live? >ps. Add another name to the dumpster club. I spent many many many years in the dumpster club. Glad I am no longer a member, but do remember those days vividly .... not fondly, but do understand! -Lane in sunny FL (Also a SHAGGER) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 15:29:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utLjn-0000jGa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 15:26 PDT X-Path: awinc.com!jthomson From: Julie Thomson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dumpster Club Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:26:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.8265.0> References: <<199608212215.RAA12003@mercury.hiline.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hmm.... am I the only one here who'll be as far away from the dumpster as possible? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 15:46:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utLzs-0000uSa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 15:43 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Strain77 From: Strain77@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:43:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.144329.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the mailing list. Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 17:44:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utNpb-0000Xxa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 17:41 PDT X-Path: SNET.Net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Figurines-Creative Castings Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:32:56 -0400 Message-ID: <01BB8FA0.1B1941C0@nwhn02-sh1-port45.snet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8FA0.1B6D2E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Please add me to your list, for your catalog. Thank you for sending me a copy. Tim Byrnes 61 Pine Street New Haven,Ct 06513 ---------- From: Mary J Austin[SMTP:diamonds@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 1996 4:02 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines-Creative Castings I'd be interested in getting a catalog. Thank you for sending it to me. Mary Austin 801 Merry Lane Greenwood, IN 46142 On Tue, 20 Aug 96 16:07 WET DST charles@fast.net writes: >Anyone interested in a Creative Casting catalog should reply to me and >it will >be sent. >charles@fast.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8FA0.1B6D2E20 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgoAAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AAgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAD0AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AU01UUABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAF AAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4A ATABAAAAEgAAACdnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20nAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5H SS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAN8KwEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQAgAAAAUkU6IEZpZ3VyaW5lcy1DcmVhdGl2ZSBDYXN0 aW5ncwBZCwEFgAMADgAAAMwHCAAVABQAIAA4AAMAXwEBIIADAA4AAADMBwgAFQAUAB0ADQADADEB AQmAAQAhAAAANDk3QjY1MTg5MEZCQ0YxMTlGRTQ0NDQ1NTM1NDAwMDAA8AYBA5AGAMwEAAASAAAA CwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAoDJddsGPuwEeAHAAAQAAACAAAABS RTogRmlndXJpbmVzLUNyZWF0aXZlIENhc3RpbmdzAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG7j8F2RBhle0r7kBHP n+RERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAARAAAAdGJ5cm5lc0BzbmV0Lm5l dAAAAAADAAYQq8IIrwMABxD1AgAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAASElQTEVBU0VBRERNRVRPWU9VUkxJU1Qs Rk9SWU9VUkNBVEFMT0dUSEFOS1lPVUZPUlNFTkRJTkdNRUFDT1BZVElNQllSTkVTNjFQSU5FU1RS RUVUTkVXSEFWRU4sQ1QwNjUxMwAAAAACAQkQAQAAAEsDAABHAwAAsgYAAExaRnVks4zC/wAKAQ8C FQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzO3AuQHEwKDNAPG FMV9CoCLCM8J2TsXPzI1NQKABwqBDbELYG5nMTAzLxRQCwoUUQvyYwBAICCASGkgUGxlYRGwICBh ZGQgB4AgdEhvIHkIYSBsBAB0nCwgAhAFwB1zY2EBkCEW0GcuIFQRgG5rpx1iHhMRsG5kC4BnHQLi YR6gb3B5HyAfMAdwWCBCeQSgB5E2HABQcwuAHLBTdAnRBUAHwkgkYXYJ8CxDBUAwNjg1MTMKhQqL HcAxOIIwAtFpLTE0NA3w5wzQJgMLWTE2CqADYBPQ+mMFQC0oJwqHJtsMMCem+kYDYTopLiemDIIF 0ArAaHkgShSwdRPAC4BboFNNVFA6IFBhBGABIEBzQGp1bm8u+QWgbV0ozyndBmACMCsPjSwbVwmA IdFkYXkeAEUtUGctYSAyMR4AMYA5OTYgNDowEeDMQU0vPyndVG8xfywbJmcLYAQQQGIusGdpxy7i NX8wTnViaifhN5/JLBtSZTzQRmk0IAUQWSHRLUMXQB7AaSNgIGZDHJAtgWdzJC8lMzNONianG3Un pkknHPBi/xywC4AT0BdAE8Ec8AuAOWDfEcBAUiDCHs8f22kFQB1B3QeALgqFLOMtVCAlkBwAtk0E kC0BTABwHLBHCdLMd28EcB4ASU408CIQXDQyQKxL30DZTwOgVO8KUB4AAdAz8iA00SdwNRCCNzNA RVQgRFNPoNcRchxwLoBmQDEuIdAFQCZ3BRAT0HM6CoU+Qf5uHXAiYUQcINA/nkWGIBD6aAhgbBzw F0ALUC0QR7O3HMAgQCSGPkeBA/BsAyB/UYZD4SAhULBRhlALOjg+uSiJPkYf8jxwBPRpAiD/T/Ia QAeQHgALUByDAMADEdcdQDzQOXMtF0BxClATwJ05zz43cCATHTJ0aByw3x3EYQNc3zmPUbRyEXA/ 4X8EICNQXVEBoBxwHMAFQGhBAkBwOi8vd2WgLv051y9iY1GGCoUoiVs/XE//XV9ebwqyX89g32Hv Ogtj339k72X/TO9Bf0KPJIYWYQABeBAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzBgztbxwI+7AUAACDBg ztbxwI+7AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAARmM= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8FA0.1B6D2E20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 17:49:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utNvA-0000F7a; Wed, 21 Aug 96 17:46 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug21.164553.0> References: <<1996Aug21.8265.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Julie Thomson wrote: > Hmm.... am I the only one here who'll be as far away from the dumpster > as possible? Don't feel alone! When I quit, it was really easy: I couldn't breathe! I still feel my bronchi seize up when I'm around too much smoke. I'm just grateful that these folks are kind enough to consider practicing their self-destruction where I don't have to cough, too. M ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 19:08:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utPC8-0000JOa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 19:08 PDT X-Path: light.lightlink.com!sharrow From: "Ray Sharrow" To: glass@bungi.com, jthomson@awinc.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:07:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199608220207.WAA25875@light.lightlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hmm.... am I the only one here who'll be as far away from the dumpster > as possible? I avoided the vicinity of dumpsters even when I was a smoker and couldn't smell much. I do imagine a dumpster surrounded by people smoking to be a rather awful place -- and there seems to be something ironically proper in the image. It is heartening to see that smokers have, for the most part, become more considerate than I was when I puffed my two and a half packs a day. I would never tell anyone to quit. The only person who can provide that motivation is the person quitting. I only know that there is one cigarette I can never and will never have: the NEXT one. Sooner or later we all stop smoking. I'm now returning my soapbox to its normal spot out of sight and out of mind. ************************************************************************************************ Descartes walks into a bar, orders a martini. He drinks it down. The bartender says, "Another?" Descartes replies "I think not," and disappears. ************************************************************************************************ ** ALL CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. ** ********************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 20:13:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utQC5-0000VCa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 20:12 PDT X-Path: dwave.net!staingls From: Steve Schaefer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Figurines-Creative Castings Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:11:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199608220311.WAA27329@home.dwave.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please send me a copy of your catolog..... Schaefer's Stained Glass 1116 Western Ave. Mosinee, WI 54455 We are a retail stained glass store! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 21 22:28:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utSJV-0000fCa; Wed, 21 Aug 96 22:28 PDT X-Path: compuserve.com!104444.3177 From: Allen & Karen Green <104444.3177@compuserve.com> To: aLL Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:51:50 -0400 Message-ID: <199608220052_MC1-8F3-6874@compuserve.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please Unsubsribe me. thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 04:55:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utYML-0000IIa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 04:55 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Retailer helping ret Date: 22 Aug 96 07:54:32 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug22.115432.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi! What about the idea of putting your newsletter - depending >on length - or article summaries - on internet - just think of the >cross-fertilization of ideas. Linn, I know that you're responding to the retail store owner's offer to swap newsletters with others like himself, but it ties in with a discussion going on between the members of the Guild's Board about offering stained glass retailers the Guild's newsletter (Common Ground: Glass) for resale in their shops. The feeling is that many retailers won't carry a publication that shares information about sources of supply or that has ads from wholesalers, because the local retail shop owners are afraid their customers will leave them to buy from those wholesalers. But the fact that the sources those retailers fear are readily available (much more so now that the "instant" communication of the web is an increasingly used tool), the feeling on the part of some is that what retailers need to focus on is service, service, service. After all, every computer store carries computer magazines, the back pages of which are jammed with mail order suppliers ... and you don't see them *not selling those magazines. No, instead they stock everything the mail order people offer and have it on hand and provide local service, etc. Any thoughts on this? Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 05:09:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utYZA-0000mia; Thu, 22 Aug 96 05:08 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Rebecca Smith Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 10:58:34 -0500 Message-ID: <199608151800.LAA13229@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard....My first piece was a challenge from a neighbor to "build" a window...I said "sure" but not for nothing...so a business was started. 15 + years later and 1,028 units later, I still consider myself "dabbling" at it. Selling for money makes it a profession, and me a professional artisan. I have no regrets that I skipped the hobby stage. I also teach classes in lamp making...all beginners do a small lamp for openers, and then I allow them to re-gress to sun catchers, windows and like items. My class, my rules! To those doubters of my technique...many repeat students, some EVEN sell their work, and come to me with their clients for glass and consulting. A piece of a sale is better than nothing..andI do not do commissions for most of what my students bring to me for help with. I live in a town of 1,700 and the next "big" city has around 8,000. Over the years I have tought more than 250 people, and still have a "new" following. I sell from strength, fine quality work, realistic deadlines and the ability to say "no" when I do not want to do a commission. The garbage from the orient and other countries in which a living (theirs) wage is $1.00 a week looks exactly as what is worth...If a client cannot tell the difference from that to mine...I strongly suggest they spend 10 to 20 times less than mine and get the imported one. Wholesalers and others outlets play both sides of the craft...REAL cheap shades, cheaper bases, poorer quality than can be imagined, and then cry like babies when the next distributor undercuts them...Some distributors have interests in the orient, send over "teachers" to improve the stuff coming in, and then cry about the lack of a market for the "domestic work".. .I know of some factories that would not pass an INS check of their "employees". Are not you ALL glad that I am back....enjoy....H -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Thursday, 15-Aug-96 08:44 AM From: Rebecca Smith \ Internet: (rwsmith@aristotle.net) To: Glass list \ Internet: (glass@bungi.com) Subject: pro/hobby Thanks to Linda, Albert and Delphi. I am at this point in time just a hobbiest but have bigger plans. My opionion is that at one time or another everyone has been a hobbiest. I am sure that no one ever set up shop, learned the craft and sold the very piece they ever created. I have been lucky in the fact that I been treated by the professionals here in Little Rock and on this list with patience and respect. I will always TRY to help anyone who may need it. I to was also a little annoyed by the attitude that flew across here recently but I was always told that people such as that will have their day in court, be it here on earth or a higher plan so I look upon them with pitty. All the hobbiest out there keep going and keep asking guestions. Learning is the root of living. Rebecca Smith (rwsmith@aristotle.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 05:29:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utYsz-0000m6a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 05:29 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping retailer Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:01:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug21.15136.0> References: <<199608200225.VAA07859@home.dwave.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steve Schaefer wrote: > > We have a local retail stained glass shop. We have now been in business for > 4 years now. Currently I'm exchanging newsletters with two other shops. We > find this a way to share ideas. Is anyone else interested? > > Steve Schaefer > Schaefer's Stained Glass> > Count me in Andrea Melbourne Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 05:40:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utZ2w-0000mDa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 05:39 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: misc Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:36:44 -0600 Message-ID: <199608221236.GAA07564@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi; There are special spade shaped glass bits which you can by at the hardware store and use in a regular drill, but it works better if the drill is variable speed, and can therefore run very slowly. Also need lubrication, have used turps and water both. bottle for lamp bases.... I just did one like this. I think that next time I will either put weight in the bottle (was too late when I tought of it) or set the bottle on a wooden base. Any hints on how to attach the harp to the top of the bottle... I got it done, but in a pieced together manner I would rather not use every time. I am so excited... have to share the news... I just found a retailer in San Jose, Costa Rica.... he has been in business for about 6 months, will be visiting in the next couple of days, let you know. I know he has Spectrum Cathedral glass. Also my shipment of stuff I imported is here (the reason I am making the 5 hour trip to San Jose in the first place... Can't wait! I am also doing my first round lamp with many pieces. I bought a clay pot, painted it white, and drew my design onto it. Again, lwaring through doing.... It will be alright, but next time either smaller pieces, or less curved pot! Someone mentioned tumbling glass scraps. Do they come out polished or scratched? How long? what grit? I have a rock tumbler. Bye for now, Meg ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 05:40:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utZ2v-0000mEa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 05:39 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:36:49 -0600 Message-ID: <199608221236.GAA07570@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:26 PM 21/08/1996 -0700, you wrote: >Hmm.... am I the only one here who'll be as far away from the dumpster >as possible? > I'll be with you.... where will we meet? Meg ---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 05:40:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utZ2z-0000n4a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 05:39 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:36:52 -0600 Message-ID: <199608221236.GAA07573@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 01:18 AM 21/08/1996 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Sue Reitman, >I had to laugh, 'cause I have had similar problems. Imagine the scrap >glass left over after a group of 30 enthusiastic students have >"hacked" about with coloured glass. >3 ideas for you, that I hope may be helpful; How do they use it? do you know? We do have a local ceramic center here, but the woman who would know how isn't here right now. Would the ground glass in the grinder work for them??? My kids (I know...dangerous) like to glue scrap in small pieces of window glass use them as "suncatchers" . I wonder if there isn't a way to make trivets, of such for the table...hmmm.. Meg >1. The ceramicists love bits of glass that they can use as "glazes" >for their clay work. If you don't know any potters yourself, contact >your local adult education centres and ask them to put you in touch >with pottery teachers. > >2. Over here, I get loads of requests for coloured scrap glass from >people who specialize in flower arrangements. Sounds odd, I know, but >they use it at the bottom of a bowl and then poke the stalks of the >flowers/greenery into it, instead of using that rather strange green >foam material..) > >3. Occasionally when I make the occasional stained glass lamp, I >experiment with different types of lamp bases and use glass bottles - >if it is an unusual and interesting shape - I then find it useful to >pour into it coloured scrap glass to add weight and interest (and to >hide the wires. You need to drill holes in the bottles for the >wires...). >Oh, and I almost forgot, a forth use; at the end of a course I also >offer the (for me unuseable) scrap glass to my students. >a) They are shown in a subtle (?) way how much glass they have >wasted; >b) They may be able to use it in ways that I can not or haven't thought >of or do not find commercially or timewise viable >c) My students might themselves know of potters, flower-arrangers et >al, that I cannot reach. >Howzat?! >Regards >Elisabeth 'n Toby >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 06:25:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utZlJ-0000nma; Thu, 22 Aug 96 06:25 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: RE: misc Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.5268.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Meg LaVal[SMTP:rlaval@sol.racsa.co.cr] said: There are special spade shaped glass bits which you can by at the hardware store and use in a regular drill, but it works better if the drill is variable speed, and can therefore run very slowly. Also need lubrication, have used turps and water both. What is turp? Someone mentioned tumbling glass scraps. Do they come out polished or scratched? How long? what grit? I have a rock tumbler. Bye for now, Meg Sounds interesting. I may try this too. My husband has a vortex tumbler he uses to clean brass casing for reloading bullets. What media should be used for glass? I assume at least two phases, course to fine to polish? Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 09:06:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utcH1-0000d6a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 09:06 PDT X-Path: nortel.ca!rstoker From: "richard (r.) stoker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re:Scrap glass Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:04:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.540.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The way we deal with scrap glass in our studio is to cut it up into small "terrazae" for use in mosaic pieces. If you make cutting the scrap up a regular part of your clean-up routine, it does not take too long to do it, and it gets rid of those annoying little bits in a constructive way. We then store them in plastic jugs by color for use when the mosaic mood hits ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 09:24:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utcXm-0000kPa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 09:23 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.82052.0> References: <<1996Aug21.8265.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Julie Thomson wrote: > > Hmm.... am I the only one here who'll be as far away from the dumpster > as possible? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass me too...it's getting so smokey in here i can hardly see. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 10:20:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utdQO-0000vTa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 10:20 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: "Rio Grande Valley Museum" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:51:32 +0500 Message-ID: <199608221719.MAA04521@mercury.hiline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk no. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 12:55:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utfq6-0000s2a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 12:54 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dumpster Club meeting Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <199608221951.OAA23234@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dumpster Club Meeting WHERE: Anywhere, the whole planet is a Dumpster WHEN: Anytime you have the need WHO: Pro and Hobbyist BTW.... I myself am a hobbyist, I only do it occasionally and only for the sheer joy of it. I've never used it as an aid for monetary gain. One other thing, I really do resent Dumpster Club members that like make believe you don't exist just because they know how to french inhale and blow smoke rings. ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 13:41:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utgZ8-0000zia; Thu, 22 Aug 96 13:41 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: tumbling glass Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 11:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <199608221853.LAA06136@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- It has been eons since I have done it....try a very coarse grit,and then a fine grit....remember to have mixed size pieces and I would use a trhinner slurry as the glass is flat, rather than roundish as are most rocks. As for time, experiment, if it looks smooth (edges) go to the next grit... keep track of the time so as to be able to duplicate what you have done.... Feel free to post your results Enjoy....H -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 14:23:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uthD4-0000JGa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 14:22 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Dumpster Link Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.11172.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Order up another, we need more room. How did one small comment ,said in passing hummor, turn into this? Maybe = members should link to = http://www.tezcat.com/~smokers/openmike.html.........a more appropriate = spot and also quite hummorous as well. At "bungi" we can stick to glass. = However, I hope the witch hunt doesn't move in this direction as working = with flux,solder, and an iron the fumes are noxious to say nothing of = lead poisoning and earth polution with the disposal of came , cement = etc. Guess I'm in double trouble. Enough said. Sue ( so now I = probably have a million enemys ) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 16:18:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utix7-0000M8a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Link Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:12:31 -0700 Message-ID: <199608222312.SAA09052@mail.gte.net> References: <<1996Aug22.11172.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Edward W. Reitmann wrote: > > Order up another, we need more room. > How did one small comment ,said in passing hummor, turn into this? Maybe = > members should link to = > http://www.tezcat.com/~smokers/openmike.html.........a more appropriate = > spot and also quite hummorous as well. At "bungi" we can stick to glass. = > However, I hope the witch hunt doesn't move in this direction as working = > with flux,solder, and an iron the fumes are noxious to say nothing of = > lead poisoning and earth polution with the disposal of came , cement = > etc. Guess I'm in double trouble. Enough said. Sue Sue, I'll join you all at the dumpster site-can't be much more harm than all of the above-with all the "witch hunts" going on, lead is sure to be banned soon, as well as about a million other things that the hunters have decided are (take your pick) bad, harmful, to much fun, fattening, full of colesterol, margerine, milk, meat, vegs, etc, and so on Lee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 16:20:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utj06-00010ia; Thu, 22 Aug 96 16:17 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:56:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199608222327.AAA14602@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How do the potters use scrap glass??.. I THINK the "dress" their ceraimic creations with glass scraps for colour effects when they put the pieces into the kiln for firing., I am not a potter myself, so wouldn't like to get too technical here... I offer them scraps that are less than about 2-1 inch in diameter. I don't think that they can use "powder" from the glass grinder... I would only consider offering the powder to my mother-in-law, in her coffee. But then i heard that glass powder isn't poisenous... Suggest you wait until the "pottery expert" is back from holiday in a week or so. Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 17:47:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utkKd-0000vca; Thu, 22 Aug 96 17:42 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Dumpster Link Date: 22 Aug 96 20:41:25 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug23.04125.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >At "bungi" we can stick to glass. =However, I hope the witch hunt doesn't >move in this direction as working = with flux,solder, and an iron the >fumes are noxious to say nothing of = lead poisoning and earth polution >with the disposal of came , cement = etc. Guess I'm in double trouble. Nah. The thing is, those of us who are interested in glass are also human beings, fallible, full of foibles and fun. It'd be a shame if we were so "businesslike" and "focused" about our conversations here that nothing and nothing but glass were ever discussed. After all, we're all real people with lives outside of glass and sharing those sorts of things makes our individual obessions with glass just all that much more interesting. Besides, each of us being human, we can forgive in others those failings and frailties that we ourselves might not suffer from, because we have *other failings and frailties ourselves. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 17:55:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utkT0-0000nka; Thu, 22 Aug 96 17:51 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:36:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.123624.0> References: <<1996Aug21.8265.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey Albert, do you allow wooden matchs to ignite stogies down back behind the dumpster? Phil7 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 18:11:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utkjI-0000vqa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:08 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: misc Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:53:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.12539.0> References: <<1996Aug22.5268.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've tumbled scrap pieces of glass. Course just eats glass like crazy. The next time I'll start at fine, x-fine and polish. One day for the fines and two or three for polish. The pieces come out quite soft and smooth but not tranlucent. Phil7 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 18:27:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utkzR-0000j0a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:24 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JeffandTam From: JeffandTam@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: take me off your mailing list Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.172440.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please take me off your mailing list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 18:31:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utl2o-0000usa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:28 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JeffandTam From: JeffandTam@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: please take me off your mailing list Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:28:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.17288.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please take me off your mailing list ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 19:17:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utllP-0000s6a; Thu, 22 Aug 96 19:14 PDT X-Path: pop01.ny.us.ibm.net!steel00 From: Steven Steele To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 21:07:49 PDT Message-ID: <1996Aug23.4749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I won't need a light... I carry my own zippo ... tried the high tech plastic items but they just don't taste the same. I guess I am just old fashioned. Except, that I have learned a new trick from a member of this news group ( who would remain nameless ....but people keep calling her all kinds of names) about using the soldering iron to light up... don't try this unless the tip is very clean... it might be hazardous to your health. Steven ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 19:56:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utmMu-0000uqa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 19:53 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:28:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.162852.0> References: <<1996Aug23.4749.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Steven Steele wrote: > > I won't need a light... I carry my own zippo ... tried the high tech plastic > items but they just don't taste the same. I guess I am just old fashioned. > Except, that I have learned a new trick from a member of this news group > ( who would remain nameless ....but people keep calling her all kinds of > names) about using the soldering iron to light up... don't try this unless the > tip is very clean... it might be hazardous to your health. > Steven Did someone just rattle my cage????? How dare you give out my secrets!!!!! OK, OK, OK. You like the taste of those old fashioned Zippo's and I like the taste of lead!!! To each his own!!! Plus how else can I do my research on which kills first, cigarettes or lead poisoning! Wanna place any wagers? Shirley (aka GlassLass and a few other things that I will not say here) Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 20:09:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utmaB-0000tNa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 20:06 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Link Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug22.164241.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk W A R N I N G FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T HANDLE OR STAND A SOAP-BOX SPEECH, PLEASE HIT THE OLE "DELETE" KEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could someone please direct me to the rules and regulations of this e-mail list. I'm kind of new here (only been around for 5-6 months), but I have tried to participate, and have even set up an IRC channel for glass chat and more. But I may be mistaken about what is SUPPOSED to go on here. I was under the impression that this e-mail list was a link to humans having a thread of something in common - glass. But I assumed that we were allowed to be humans first. I work in glass every day. I was a hobbiest and I have become a professional. I am not made of glass. I do not eat glass, drink glass, or sh*t glass. I am a human being and I assume that there are at least a few of us in here too. Maybe the biggest problem that I am having here is that I live in a VERY rural area.....only cows for neighbors. I enjoy the human contact. Sometimes I even enjoy the glass conversations! So, if we are down to just glass related topics, I AM OUTTA HERE!!!!! I'll just stay in my studio and make more money! WOW, I feel so much better now! HEY THERE, MRS. COW. WANNA TALK? HOW'S THE GRASS TODAY? GOT MILK? Shirley (aka GlassLass) Grapeland, Tx. P.S. Send all hate mail, spam, spare change and good humor to: ssuter@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 20:53:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utnFa-0000yYa; Thu, 22 Aug 96 20:49 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Club Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: <199608230347.WAA07209@mail.gte.net> References: <<1996Aug22.162852.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk I've not tried to light a cigaret with the soldering iron-it sure is hot enough though-I too wonder which will do the trick first-lead or tobacco, maybe the pesticide all around is also a good candidate. We all go sometime-I'd rather enjoy my glass work and other things on the way, that be so careful I don't enjoy anything. Lee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 23 04:44:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utueA-00010Sa; Fri, 23 Aug 96 04:43 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Glass Chat Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug23.33749.0> References: <<1996Aug22.164241.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > W A R N I N G > > FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T HANDLE OR STAND A SOAP-BOX SPEECH, PLEASE HIT THE > OLE "DELETE" KEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Could someone please direct me to the rules and regulations of this > e-mail list. I'm kind of new here (only been around for 5-6 months), > but I have tried to participate, and have even set up an IRC channel for > glass chat and more. Speaking of the stained glass channel....where is everyone??????? I have made a point to visit the channel, and mostly anyone who was there was not stained glass related. I know people have a hard time getting on efnet so here are a few servers I have tried: irc.cerf.net 6667 irc.io.org 6667 irc.magic.mb.ca 6666 irc.texas.net 6660-9 irc.gate.net 6665-8 irc.ionet.net 6665-9 irc.lightning.net 6667 irc.mcs.net 6666-8 irc.mo.net 6665-8 irc.phoenix.net 6660-9 irc.tucson.net 6664-7 And I have been banned from several servers for using wave out or wav loder, so if you want to chat glass, don't turn those on when you get a connection. How would anyone feel about having a regular night to chat glass? Another group I belong to chats on Wed nights at 9pm edt and Saturdays at 2pm edt. During the day, they remind each other to come to chat and it seems to work really well. Hope to chat with some more glass people. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran "Glasschic" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 23 05:11:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utv5H-0000q2a; Fri, 23 Aug 96 05:11 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Glass Chat Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:08:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug23.4853.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tell me more about this chat stuff. What do I need to do it. Are conversations typed of spoken. How do I get to it if it's decided to set up a time? Speaking of the stained glass channel....where is everyone??????? I have made a point to visit the channel, and mostly anyone who was there was not stained glass related. I know people have a hard time getting on efnet so here are a few servers I have tried: begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@$,`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S7[*YP,`!Q _`0``'@`( M$ $```!E````5$5,3$U%34]214%"3U545$A)4T-(05135%5&1E=(051$3TE. M145$5$]$3TE405)%0T].5D524T%424].4U194$5$3T934$]+14Y(3U=$3TE' M15143TE4249)5%-$14-)1$5$5 `````"`0D0`0```/H!``#V`0``!P,``$Q: M1G45>!#-_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K 7")'?%O9ARP<&]K"?#9'1!(;P?@'8-G$< >$F\>@!YP(% > M@"<$( 6!:<<-L!X#$;$@=7 ;L!P0W0=Q/PJ%)#P9SS$E#PO451-0;Q/08P5 M4R `8?IK"X!G(#(<(!M0$\ +<5T=\6<+8 01$7%N'=!LNBXJX70(@)! L-" =H0J+;/AI,S8G\2=/*%(1@!\P?1LP80VP([$@@ N (:-V MKP0`(?$I4BIU+!NP;AX`LP1@$\!L>3'A*_(@*R!]'9!W*C I0AN1"H4S4F[? M*# IC180"V 3T&0=$!VA[FLTH ?@( !O"U ;4"]S_R/ $8$>`0=Q(7(?@"CQ M"H7O`B KH +P(9%S'9 K,PK [2_R9@?1$;!R'S(=H2]SLG0(@60Z)#P5,0`] M8 ```P`0$ `````#`!$0`````$ `!S `< Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utwqM-0000oLa; Fri, 23 Aug 96 07:04 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Chat Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug23.33922.0> References: <<1996Aug23.4853.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Tell me more about this chat stuff. What do I need to do it. Are > conversations typed of spoken. How do I get to it if it's decided to set up > a time? > > Speaking of the stained glass channel....where is everyone??????? I > have made a point to visit the channel, and mostly anyone who was there > was not stained glass related. I know people have a hard time getting > on efnet so here are a few servers I have tried: For anyone interested in coming by my channel or in IRC itself, check this out: http;//www.mirc.co.uk/ Here you can download the needed software (for free!!!!!!), and learn probably more than anyone NEEDS to know about IRC. The conversations are typed. But I must take this time to warn anyone interested in coming by the channel, THERE ARE HUMANS THERE!!!! IF YOU ARE EXPECTING STRICT GLASS CHAT - STAY OUTTA THERE!!!! I don't know of any other way of putting it. We are a witty group, and I have put a great deal of effort into making it a fun place to hang out and talk. Many of the people there are NOT stained glass folks, but are happy to tolerate glass chat. There are no glass Gods there and quite frankly, none will be tolerated. The party usually commences in the evenings, so grab your humor by the @ss and come on by!! Maybe Joyce will share with us the info about the "other" channel she mentioned. Possibly, we could join in the "glass meetings" there! If anyone has any other questions concerning IRC or the channel #StainedGlass, feel free to contact me personally!! Shirley (aka GlassLass) ssuter@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 23 07:19:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0utx4U-0000VJa; Fri, 23 Aug 96 07:18 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!kkelly From: "Kelly, Kathryn" To: glass Subject: RE: Dumpster Link Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:14:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert, I like your point of view. Sincerely, Doc ---------- From: glass To: glass Subject: Dumpster Link Date: Thursday, August 22, 1996 8:12PM >At "bungi" we can stick to glass. =However, I hope the witch hunt doesn't >move in this direction as working = with flux,solder, and an iron the >fumes are noxious to say nothing of = lead poisoning and earth polution >with the disposal of came , cement = etc. Guess I'm in double trouble. Nah. The thing is, those of us who are interested in glass are also human beings, fallible, full of foibles and fun. It'd be a shame if we were so "businesslike" and "focused" about our conversations here that nothing and nothing but glass were ever discussed. After all, we're all real people with lives outside of glass and sharing those sorts of things makes our individual obessions with glass just all that much more interesting. Besides, each of us being human, we can forgive in others those failings and frailties that we ourselves might not suffer from, because we have *other failings and frailties ourselves. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 23 19:28:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uu8QN-000117a; Fri, 23 Aug 96 19:26 PDT X-Path: 206.250.28.129!vgillespie From: Vicki Gillespie To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscription update Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:16:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug23.151639.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please reinstate me on the mailing list. I have been having server problems that we believe are now fixed. I've missed all the mail! Thanks...Vicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 05:02:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuHPf-0000Kza; Sat, 24 Aug 96 05:02 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dumpster Link Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:58:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug24.145832.0> References: <<1996Aug22.164241.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > W A R N I N G > > FOR THOSE THAT CAN'T HANDLE OR STAND A SOAP-BOX SPEECH, PLEASE HIT THE > OLE "DELETE" KEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Here, Here, I agree with you. No hate mail from me. Where as I love the topic of glass I also look forward to the 'little' diversions and the HUMAN interaction of the group. Keep it up - everyone Andrea Melbourne, Aust ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 07:48:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuK0H-0000CGa; Sat, 24 Aug 96 07:48 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: BlindCopyReceiver:;@compuserve,.com Subject: IGGA NEWS MEMO 08/24/96 Date: 24 Aug 96 10:45:41 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug24.144541.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ----------------------------------------------------------------- IGGA Online News Memo! August 24, 1996 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Random glass info passed along after being compiled by the International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. a 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization ----------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Craft Conference -- Fall '96 Glass Craft Expo -- March '97 Las Vegas Management, 2408 Chapman Drive, Las Vegas NV 89104- 3455. Phone: (800) 217-4527. (702) 734-0070. Fax: (702) 734-0636. A double show in 1996-1997 ... the Glass Craft Conference at the Clarion Hotel in Mt. Laurel, NJ from October 31-November 4, 1996 then Glass Craft Expo '997 at Cashman Field Convention Center in Las Vegas, NV March 13-16, 1997. In New Jersey, the regional conference will offer an optional tour to Wheaton Village, a variety of stained glass and hot glass workshops presented by popular instructors, plus a product display area. Special events include a reception hosted by Joe Porcelli of Glass Craftsman magazine and a glass harmonica concert. In Las Vegas, a consumer show open to the public will feature more than 100 classes in all categories of art glass design, techniques, and marketing presented by well-known instructors from across the nation. A trade show open March 14-16 will feature new products and services, manufacturers' demonstrations and an art glass gallery. The show's primary objective is education, the secondary aim is for everyone to have fun and achieve success. If you missed it before, don't miss it this year. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Artists Wanted Decorative Art Pieces, Inc. is "currently attempting to locate glass artisans that specialize in the technique described as 'murano glass, mouth blown glass or hot glass,'" according to a letter we received a few days ago. The purpose of their request, they say, "is to request from the artisans information on the possibility of producing limited production art pieces, where, in a cooperative effort both artisan as producer and DAP, Inc. as a marketing entity will have a shared input on design and marketing decision, by this benefiting both parties." They say they'll be embarking on an advertising campaign in September, promoting the art pieces that will be produced. The pieces will require glass weight of 3.5 to more than 8 pounds, the glass about 1" thick and the work averaging greater than 8" (although they don't say in what dimension) in various shapes, including "rounds, ovals, oblongs." For information, contact Tibisay Gil, General Manager, Decorative Art Pieces, Inc., 5757 Collins Avenue #1505, Miami Beach FL 33140. Telephone (305) 861-8747. Fax (305) 866-9173. Email tibi7@aol.com or patrick07@msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Exhibition of Preston Studios' 20 Years of Design in Glass We received a Spectrum color postcard announcement of Preston Studios' new show that opened the 16th of August (and runs through the 6th of November) in the 22nd Floor Gallery of The Capitol Building, Tallahassee, Florida. The image on the card, "Oriental Goddess," 24"x 61" (detail) shows Preston Studios' usual exuberant style and talented touch in design and color selection. If you get a chance, don't miss this show ... and we say that not just because John Emery, partner with Jerry Preston, is a member of the Guild's Board of Directors, but because their work is really excellent. Check out their web site: http://www.iu.net/preston and see for yourself. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I, OBJECT Brock Craig: New Works in Glass Another day, another color postcard announcing an exhibition, this one a show of work by Brock Craig sponsored by Bullseye Glass Company, the opening catered by Raku Kushiyaki Restaurant (wish we'd been able to attend!). Brock's stunning glasswork will be featured in the next issue of Common Ground: Glass -- don't miss it. Of course, if you can make it to the show, taking place at the Seymour Art Gallery, 4360 Gallant Avenue, North Vancouver, BC V7G 1L2, Canada ... do it! It closes September 15. The gallery's telephone/fax: (604) 924-1378. ================================================================= Do you like receiving this online news memo? Don't do anything; we'll send it to you whenever we get around to it, which might be fairly often. Or not. It depends on how busy the Exec. Dir., Albert Lewis, might be that day or week. You don't like it? If this is addressed to you DIRECTLY, simply reply to 70544.3642@compuserve.com saying UNSUBSCRIBE in the text of your message. If you receive it via a NEWSGROUP with a glass focus, you'll have to UNSUBSCRIBE from the newsgroup, alas. If you're receiving TWO copies, that's because you get it direct at your email address AND via the NEWSGROUP. Let us know in a note to 70544.3642@compuserve.com and we'll set the program to eliminate the duplicate copy. ================================================================= Our Mission: To facilitate communication among glass artists, to encourage education and promote excellence in the glass arts. __________________________________________ International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. Tonetta Lake Road *** Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 __________________________________________ Web site: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership info: 70544.3642@compuserve.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 10:31:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuMYd-0000CDa; Sat, 24 Aug 96 10:31 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JeffandTam From: JeffandTam@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: take me off your mailing list Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug24.93130.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please take me off your mailing list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 10:33:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuMaQ-0000pEa; Sat, 24 Aug 96 10:33 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JeffandTam From: JeffandTam@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: take me off yoiur mailing list Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:33:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug24.93323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk take me off yoiur mailing list please!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 15:37:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuRKJ-0000NKa; Sat, 24 Aug 96 15:37 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: check it out!!!! Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 15:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199608242237.PAA09379@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi list....Howard here. Have added more thumbnails to my home page. Please feel free to comment.... Enjoy...it is only glass! -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 17:33:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuT8Z-0000sma; Sat, 24 Aug 96 17:33 PDT X-Path: calhoun.lakes.com!oddjob From: "Edward W. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: check it out!!!! Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 19:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug24.142726.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB91F2.4DE9C620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Elaine & Howard Rubin[SMTP:weaver51@teleport.com] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 1996 3:38 PM To: Glass list Subject: check it out!!!! -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi list....Howard here. Have added more thumbnails to my home page. Please feel free to comment.... Enjoy...it is only glass! -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard Howard: As "Tony, the Tiger" would say....."GRRRRRREAT"!! 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Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Howards Page Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 19:58:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Aug24.145839.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard: As "Tony the Tiger" would say "Grrrrrrreat"! Love the enlargements Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 18:48:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuUJO-00001Sa; Sat, 24 Aug 96 18:48 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: check it out!!!! Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:05:35 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug25.4535.0> References: <<199608242237.PAA09379@desiree.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Aug 96 15:38:52 -0500 Elaine & Howard Rubin writes: >-- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >Hi list....Howard here. >Have added more thumbnails to my home page. >Please feel free to comment.... >Enjoy...it is only glass! >-- >New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ > http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard Very, very nice! A lamp is definately going to be my next project! -Lane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 19:07:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uuUbW-0000boa; Sat, 24 Aug 96 19:07 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: "Occasional Diversions" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:45:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199608250213.DAA20618@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have been quiet for a little while (Thank God... sigh some!!)Felt I wanted to drop my "2 cents worth" in here. Some of what I say now, I have already said before. I am happy to stick with it, becaause it seems to work for me and whoever comes into my environment and space.... 1. I am a human being first and foremost. I enjoy fun, teasing and being teased; to be happy and give happiness. I am acutely aware of "the passage of time" and acutely aware of humanity's strengths, frailties; power and helplesness and the need for each of us to TRY and leave this world a little better than it was when we arrived into it, squealing, wingeing and complaining. There is too much of tragedy, unhappiness, anger, destruction and malevolence around and not enough of laughter, fun and smiles. 2. I am a Swede, secondly. Why? Only God knows. He gave me certain advantages and also certain disadavntages on that score. But I am quite happy with my lot and I think I'll stick with it, even though I am now transplanted into an alien environment. 3. I am (although now not exactly in the "blush of my youth") a stained glass "Artst"/"Professional"/Devotee/Artisane/Crafts-"person", earning a living for the people who lent me the money to buy my old English 18th century cottage, wherein I peddle my craft. I have another 15 years before I own 100% of it.. Jeez... you got to have a sense of humour to weather that sort of financial transaction in the UK these days !!!! 4. Having a somewhat "colourful" life under my belt, I actually LIKE other human beings (although I am known not to suffer "fools" gladly). That I like the animal world and the world of Nature even more, some people blame on to my Swedish "wild" upbringing. 5. Being the personality that I am , I see instantly that the coin has 2 sides; both are equally valid. YES I am all in favour of real serious technical "soul-ripping" discussions about stained glass; I feel very nurturing about ALL our learners & beginners and delight at the generosity of the"Professionals" to help, advise, guide, train and nurture the new "shoots" stretching out. But Hey, Life isn't THAT serious. There is room for a bit of fun, a bit of banter, a smile or two, and a bit of totally irrelevant jokes, in-jokes and teasing. Does it really MATTER if it is not ONE HUNDRED PERCENT about stained glass. Of course it doesn't!! Of course we will sail off into other areas of human existance, now and then . It's all part & parcel of all of us getting to know each other better; getting to know each others' strengths and weaknesses. What's wrong with that?? What's wrong about having a smile, a snigger a laugh...??? I'd give half my soul to join you (Albert, Len, Shirley et al) down in the Dumpster Club. Mary would kill me if I did, 'cause she will be over here next Easter, and this house better be "fumigated" by that time. We are even more "pariahs" around here, after Little Ole' Darling Clinton's announcement about "smoking folks".... We are worse than the rats in the sewage systems..... But, yes, there are worse things in life. So whatever there is - we can have a laugh and a joke Yes I am a Stained Glass "whatever", but I also want humour and fun in my life. On whatever level. And I am very happy to share with other folks the fun and the humorous sides in life....NO ??? ....just my 2 cents worth .,... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 25 02:06:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uub7T-0000uka; Sun, 25 Aug 96 02:04 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Occasional Diversions" Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 03:32:03 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug25.11323.0> References: <<199608250213.DAA20618@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too do stained glass and I'm a (shhh) smoker. I just wanted to say that my daughter and her new husband are both stationed in England ( Milden Hall ) about 90 miles from London in the air force. They love it there and are planning on having my husband and I over next year at Christmas time. They met and married in Guam and have been in the air force a little over 3 years. I can't wait to visit and see all that England has to offer. Don' tknow that this was important but just something I wanted to share. Thanks for listening. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 25 03:00:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uubx3-0000w9a; Sun, 25 Aug 96 02:57 PDT X-Path: cris.com!MSPANN From: "Malcolm Spann" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Occasional Diversions" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 02:52:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199608250957.FAA21703@cliff.cris.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey 'Toby' Being a 'Hot Glass' artist, I'll just jump in here and say 'Hi." I've been a member of this forum for a while now, though only in the background, and have completely enjoyed your comments/insights for this group. I'll be visiting England in mid September (London, in specific), and was wondering if you could either recommend some 'Hot Glass' points of interest, -- or -- perhaps get togethere for a visit. I'm sure I could offer some 'different' views on things, and I *always* welcome the chance to exchange ideas. Please respond to my E-Mail addresses of: MSPANN@POP3.CONCENTRIC.NET -or- 102025.2265@compuserve.com Lookin forward to my visit on the other side of the "big puddle" Malcolm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 10:34:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uv5Oy-0000zva; Mon, 26 Aug 96 10:24 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Occasional Diversions" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:03:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199608261724.SAA29507@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Michael, Mary Austin (and many more who wrote to me direct - and I will reply..) You make me blush.... So glad if what I have to say is of interest and value. That's what it's all about about. I am always happy to share what I know and (most) of what I feel about things. Michael Spann: OK This is the first I have heard of you. You sure have been "lurking" very quietly. If you are over here "across the Big Puddle" this September, let me know what your plans are. There is currently the William Morris Exhibition on at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London , which is well worth seeing. Dunno if you Folks know anything about him; I wrote about him a little while ago in The Glass@Bungi Group.; 19th Century Architect, designer, textile/printing character who also founded / run a stained glass studio and was one of the founding fathers of the English "Arts & Crafts Movement". He was also a philantropist and a social reformer. The Exhibition at the V&A is well worth seeing and I THINK it runs to the end of September this year.If you give me detailed dates and programme of what you hope to do when here, I will try my best to point you in the right directions. Sure, if you are a really nice guy, I hope we can meet up for a beer; if you are a "super" guy, I might even invite you to my cottage for a Swedish meal...... Howzat? I am about 35 miles north of London. (Don't get any ideas though, Toby will be standing guard.... : - )) ) Other Folks, with relatives working at the US Airforce base "Milden Hall".... I have had a number of direct E-mails from you. I am not an expert in where the US Airforce bases are located in the UK, but again I THINK it's NORTH of London (in which case it's only about 60-65 miles north of where I live.) I am only familiar with Duxford near Cambridge (about 35 miles east from here), where the "Mighty Eight" were stationed. However for you Milden Hall "people", you will be visiting your folks not very far from where I am, so I'll be very happy for us to get together.... Keep in touch & take care. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 11:12:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uv66P-00013Ra; Mon, 26 Aug 96 11:09 PDT X-Path: nwrain.com!walt From: Walt Boepple To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ASGLA Calendars Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:58:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3221D7CC.1BF4@nwrain.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glass friends, The 1997 "Lamps For All Seasons" Calendar is now available to anyone that is interested. This calendar started in 1993 and has grown every year since in the amount produced and sold. Over 40 lamps are pictured in the calendar this year. Also shown is our "Stained Glass Rose Quilt" that was done by 40 of our members. This year we increased our production significantly and we have less than 2,000 left. If you are interested you may send an order to ASGLA, 5070 Cromwell Drive, Gig Harbor, WA 98335. Please include $9.25 which includes shipping. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Walt -- Walt Boepple walt@nwrain.com Boepple Chiropractic (206) 927 6100 Association of Stained Glass Lamp Artists Milton, WA 98354 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 14:13:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uv8wZ-0000tqa; Mon, 26 Aug 96 14:11 PDT X-Path: vetmed.wsu.edu!JCGRAHN From: "Jennifer C. Grahn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Figurines-Creative Castings Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:10:59 PST8PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please add me to your list for the catalog. Jennifer Grahn RR1 Box 86B Palouse, WA 99161 Thanks ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8FA0.1B6D2E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Please add me to your list, for your catalog. Thank you for sending me a copy. Tim Byrnes 61 Pine Street New Haven,Ct 06513 ---------- From: Mary J Austin[SMTP:diamonds@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 1996 4:02 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines-Creative Castings I'd be interested in getting a catalog. Thank you for sending it to me. 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Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: bevels Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:39:29 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960826213929.00683418@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, May I post this to the non-smoking section please??? haha Just kidding. Just bought some bevels from my supplier and was surprised at how she shuffled them around and packed them in a plastic bag without protection. In the past I have bought bevels w/ cardboard dividers between them. When i get them home I put a strip of masking tape on them to protect them from scratches. The masking tape just peels right off w/ a little water when I finally get done w/ the project. Any hints on keeping bevels scratch free?? Lorley from Phx ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 15:42:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvAKs-0000dka; Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:40 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sharpie Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:50:51 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960826215051.00684098@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on glass. Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's permanent on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 15:49:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvASi-0000kja; Mon, 26 Aug 96 15:48 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: Subject: Re: bevels Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <199608262248.SAA20550@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Lorley L. Oneyear > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: bevels > Date: Monday, August 26, 1996 5:39 PM > > Hi all, May I post this to the non-smoking section please??? haha Just > kidding. > > Just bought some bevels from my supplier and was surprised at how she > shuffled them around and packed them in a plastic bag without protection. In > the past I have bought bevels w/ cardboard dividers between them. When i > get them home I put a strip of masking tape on them to protect them from > scratches. The masking tape just peels right off w/ a little water when I > finally get done w/ the project. Any hints on keeping bevels scratch free?? > > Lorley from Phx > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Sorry I can't help with your scratched bevels problem, as the last ones I bought were seperated by cardboard strips as you described. However have you or anyone on the list had any problems with bevels being out of square? Of the last ones I bought, about half were out of square up to about 1/8". Being somewhat new to SG, I am not sure if this is typical or not. BTW the bevels were made in China. TIA KP in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 17:49:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvCLA-0000U0a; Mon, 26 Aug 96 17:49 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: sharpie Date: Mon, 26 Aug 96 17:49:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199608270047.RAA17568@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is one I am familar with... Been using them for MANY years...they work well, and come off easily with rubbing alchol. USE the fine or ultra fine points. red or blue. NOW for the sand in the gears...I assume most of you use an "oil" type cutter and have trouble keeping the tracing line on....Why do fill the cutter with oil (because the instructions say so) I and my students DO NOT put oil in them, but just an occasional touch of machine oil or WD/40 works fine. I/we get YEARS out of a cutting head without the cutter dripping oil on everything and removing the pattern cutting line. Ready for the refuting of my statement! -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 19:07:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvDYk-0000y7a; Mon, 26 Aug 96 19:07 PDT X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!CUTLER From: CUTLER@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: sharpie Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug26.1874.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I second your observation, Howard. My Toyo cutter leaked like a sieve, so I resorted to treating it like a "regular" cutter. Works fine. WD-40 is my choice, or sewing machine oil. Lots of miles left in that old cutter still. :) Cutler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 21:02:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvFLb-0000h2a; Mon, 26 Aug 96 21:01 PDT X-Path: oregoncoast.com!swmei From: swmei@oregoncoast.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sharpie Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:05:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1996Aug26.13536.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GL>Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on glass. GL>Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's permanent GL>on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? GL>Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix Hi, Lorley. I use the Sharpies and if you take the marks off fairly quickly, they will wipe right off with a wet paper towel. Colleen in Oregon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 26 23:32:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvHhV-0000zea; Mon, 26 Aug 96 23:32 PDT X-Path: tpgi.com.au!llutz From: llutz To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:35:55 +1100 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.33555.0> References: <<1996Aug26.13536.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk swmei@oregoncoast.com wrote: > > GL>Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on glass. > GL>Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's permanent > GL>on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? > GL>Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix Can someone tell me what a sharpie is. I am in Aust and have been using Artline which is virtually a felt tip pen that comes in a variety of tip sizes, all of which dry very quickly, especially when I get busy & leave the top off for awhile. Thanks in advance. Larry from Minore via Dubbo --- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 01:18:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvJLy-0000GNa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 01:18 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:36:31 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug27.83631.0> References: <<2.2.32.19960826215051.00684098@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorley, I use sharpie pens all the time. Yes they are permanent until they get alot of water on them .... like when you are grinding. But if they still remain, they are really easy to remove with just Windex. -Lane On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:50:51 -0600 "Lorley L. Oneyear" writes: >Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on >glass. >Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's >permanent >on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? >Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 05:55:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvNfY-0000PDa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 05:55 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pro/hobby Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.45455.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Howard: I for one, am very happy to see you back in action. I have always appreciated your helpful comments. Keep 'em comming. Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 07:26:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvP5X-0000ara; Tue, 27 Aug 96 07:25 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:24:20 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug27.182420.0> References: <<1996Aug26.13536.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:35:55 +1100 llutz writes: >Can someone tell me what a sharpie is. It's the name brand of a permanent felt tip marker that is very common here in the US. It is made my SANFORD if that helps. They will dry out too if you leave the cap off! -Lane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 07:50:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPSt-0000qxa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 07:50 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.64629.0> References: <<2.2.32.19960826215051.00684098@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorley L. Oneyear wrote: > > Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on glass. > Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's permanent > on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? > Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass denatured alcahol will remove most things on glass, marker, sticker glue, etc. except that gold paint from pilot in which you have to use something more powerful. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 07:56:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPYp-0000sea; Tue, 27 Aug 96 07:56 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:52:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.65230.0> References: <<199608270047.RAA17568@desiree.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elaine & Howard Rubin wrote: > > -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > This is one I am familar with... > Been using them for MANY years...they work well, and come off easily with > rubbing alchol. > USE the fine or ultra fine points. red or blue. > NOW for the sand in the gears...I assume most of you use an "oil" type > cutter and have trouble keeping the tracing line on....Why do fill the > cutter with oil (because the instructions say so) > I and my students DO NOT put oil in them, but just an occasional touch of > machine oil or WD/40 works fine. I/we get YEARS out of a cutting head > without the cutter dripping oil on everything and removing the pattern > cutting line. > Ready for the refuting of my statement! > -- > New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ > http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard > > E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well the oil is there to keep the cutter from getting to clogged or from getting siezed up, you method should work just fine. in fact that was the old method, the new cutters have that resavoir so you don't have to do it. i personnaly hate the cutters that let a huge stream of oil on the glass, there's no point. i keep a mixture of 50-50 oil in my cutter (50% 3-in-1 oil & 50% kerosene). i pump some up every so often and run my finger over the wheel, to make sure it still is rolling fine. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:05:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPhK-0000qMa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:04 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199608271505.QAA31601@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lorley, Removing markers. How about "turps" or white spirit. Find that this works almost in 100% of markers. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:05:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPhM-0000qOa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:05 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: sharpie Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199608271505.QAA31605@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Howard & Elaine, "OIL" in cutters. Agree with you.... I use white spirit ("turps"?) with a medium "dash" of WD-40 and have for years. Recommend this to my students also. It works well for me (and them...) Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:05:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPhK-0000sca; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:04 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Women on the list Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199608271505.QAA31612@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From: Scan1996@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Women on the list Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:26:13 -0400 Reply-to: glass@bungi.com I'm 100% woman too. .....So am I... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:07:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPjL-0000pNa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:07 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:03:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.7330.0> References: <<1996Aug26.1874.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk CUTLER@Wittenberg.EDU wrote: > > I second your observation, Howard. My Toyo cutter leaked > like a sieve, so I resorted to treating it like a "regular" > cutter. Works fine. WD-40 is my choice, or sewing machine oil. > Lots of miles left in that old cutter still. :) Cutler > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i curios the toyo cutter you had, was it a pistol grip or a regular cutter? i have a pistol from toyo, and it leaked too, i thought it was just mine. i wonder if all the toyo products leak. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:11:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPna-0000tEa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:11 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.7752.0> References: <<1996Aug28.33555.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk llutz wrote: > > swmei@oregoncoast.com wrote: > > > > GL>Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on glass. > > GL>Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's permanent > > GL>on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? > > GL>Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix > Can someone tell me what a sharpie is. I am in Aust and have been using > Artline which is virtually a felt tip pen that comes in a variety of tip > sizes, all of which dry very quickly, especially when I get busy & leave > the top off for awhile. Thanks in advance. > Larry from Minore via Dubbo > --- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass a "sharpie" is a permament marker sharpie is it's name, and writes on anything. it's permament if you get it on your shirt or something, but it does come off glass quite well, unless you put it on rough glass or leave it on for years. however i stopped using them because if you get even the tiniest amount of flux on the tip they stop working, and sometimes in a repair situation that might happen. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:16:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPrl-0000rAa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:15 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug27.11226.0> References: <<1996Aug26.1874.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All: I recycle makeup compacts by placing a cosmetic sponge and saturating the sponge with cutting oil. As I cut glass, every so often I press the cutter into the sponge. Works great! PJ from CA. On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 CUTLER@Wittenberg.EDU wrote: > I second your observation, Howard. My Toyo cutter leaked > like a sieve, so I resorted to treating it like a "regular" > cutter. Works fine. WD-40 is my choice, or sewing machine oil. > Lots of miles left in that old cutter still. :) Cutler > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:19:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPuf-0000DKa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:18 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug27.11529.0> References: <<1996Aug27.83631.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorley: One of the criticisms of the Sharpies is that the so-called permanent ink comes off while grinding. For this reason the Stabilo pen is best. I don't have a problem with the pen marks coming off with tap water..if so, I use acetone. I keep a little spray bottle of it handy for the metalic pens also. PJ from CA. On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Elaine J Cornell wrote: > Lorley, > > I use sharpie pens all the time. Yes they are permanent until they get > alot of water on them .... like when you are grinding. But if they > still remain, they are really easy to remove with just Windex. > > -Lane > > On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:50:51 -0600 "Lorley L. Oneyear" > writes: > >Hello gang, I have been buying those Stabilo pens for marking on > >glass. > >Wondered if I could use the permanent Sharpie pens. They say it's > >permanent > >on glass so how would I get it off?? Nail polish remover?? > >Thanks, Lorley from Phoenix > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 08:21:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvPws-0000gKa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 08:21 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.71728.0> References: <<199608271505.QAA31601@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi Lorley, > Removing markers. How about "turps" or white spirit. Find that this > works almost in 100% of markers. > Elisabeth 'n Toby > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass by turps, i'm asumming turpintine? i think that leaves a coating behind, not to mention that smell, i'd probably use it as a last alternative. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 09:31:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvR2s-0000Tca; Tue, 27 Aug 96 09:31 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: toyo cutter - pistol grip Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:23:07 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug27.20237.0> References: <<1996Aug26.1874.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:03:30 -0400 "M. Savad" writes: >i curios the toyo cutter you had, was it a pistol grip or a regular >cutter? i have a pistol from toyo, and it leaked too, i thought it was >just mine. i wonder if all the toyo products leak. Mike, Mine leaked like a sieve ... took it BACK! It was a pistol grip also. I liked the way it cut .... maybe I should have just used it like an old cutter without the oil in it! I am really enjoying all the 'tips!' -Lane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 11:47:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvTA3-0000Wza; Tue, 27 Aug 96 11:46 PDT X-Path: bellsouth.net!cschuna From: "cschuna@bellsouth.net" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:40:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.104042.0> References: <<1996Aug27.11529.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Lorley: One of the criticisms of the Sharpies is that the so-called > permanent ink comes off while grinding. For this reason the Stabilo pen > is best. I don't have a problem with the pen marks coming off with tap > water..if so, I use acetone. I keep a little spray bottle of it handy for > the metalic pens also. PJ from CA. > After reading this for awhile.....tell me please - if you can.... Just what is the *trick* to getting the marker off of irridized glass?! The closest I've come to managing it - is with coffee pot cleaner....and being vewy VEWY careful to make sure I don't get it on the part I want to 'keep'! Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 12:53:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvUCO-0000ffa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 12:53 PDT X-Path: uoguelph.ca!pslawich From: Pat Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: References: <<1996Aug27.104042.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 12:59:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvUHd-0000ufa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 12:58 PDT X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: melinton@alison.sbc.edu (Liz Linton) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:55:58 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike said: >a "sharpie" is a permament marker sharpie is it's name, and writes on >anything. it's permament if you get it on your shirt or something, but >it does come off glass quite well, unless you put it on rough glass or >leave it on for years. however i stopped using them because if you get >even the tiniest amount of flux on the tip they stop working, and >sometimes in a repair situation that might happen. Hi-- I'm new to the list. My name is Liz. I don't like the sharpies much either because they don't do well when they get oil on them. And they dry out pretty fast. What kind of pen do you use now, Mike? --Liz in central VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 14:59:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvW9m-0000CGa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 14:58 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.135522.0> References: <<1996Aug27.104042.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk cschuna@bellsouth.net wrote: > > Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > > > Lorley: One of the criticisms of the Sharpies is that the so-called > > permanent ink comes off while grinding. For this reason the Stabilo pen > > is best. I don't have a problem with the pen marks coming off with tap > > water..if so, I use acetone. I keep a little spray bottle of it handy for > > the metalic pens also. PJ from CA. > > > After reading this for awhile.....tell me please - if you can.... > > Just what is the *trick* to getting the marker off of irridized > glass?! The closest I've come to managing it - is with coffee pot > cleaner....and being vewy VEWY careful to make sure I don't get it > on the part I want to 'keep'! > > Cindy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i mentioned it in earlier posts, but i use denatured alchohol in a squeeze bottle (like the type bueticians use for hair coloring). i just squirt some on a paper towel and rub it off. i'm assuming the iridized glass you using is either armstrong or wismach.. those hold marker preety well, if you have to put some alchohol on the glass and let it set for a few seconds, then wipe it off. but generally since you are the only person to see the product as it's being made, any part that you mess up your lines on, just cross it out. ---Mike Savad ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 15:04:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvWFM-0000YVa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 15:04 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:01:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.14112.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz Linton wrote: > > Mike said: > >a "sharpie" is a permament marker sharpie is it's name, and writes on > >anything. it's permament if you get it on your shirt or something, but > >it does come off glass quite well, unless you put it on rough glass or > >leave it on for years. however i stopped using them because if you get > >even the tiniest amount of flux on the tip they stop working, and > >sometimes in a repair situation that might happen. > > Hi-- > I'm new to the list. My name is Liz. I don't like the sharpies much either > because they don't do well when they get oil on them. And they dry out > pretty fast. What kind of pen do you use now, Mike? > --Liz in central VA > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, i've been experimenting for years now buying new markers each time i went to pearl paint. i would do the two second smear test: i would write on something smooth and non porus, make a mark, and with out blowing on it wipe it with my finger. if it smears alot i don't get it, if it smears a little i try a shorter test, then i'll get a little spit, and do a water proof test if that works i buy it. the marker so far that i've been happiest with is: --- PENTEL super fine point MF50 ---. i buy it in black, of course i don't use it for repairs that's what sharpies are for :). but it's an excellent pen. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 15:26:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvWaJ-0000pUa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 15:26 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Howard's part of the country Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I just got back from a camping trip in the northwest USA and thought that those of you who have never seen Oregon ought to know how absolutely beautiful it is. Although, due to weather conditions, it is incredibly dry and the whole state could go up in flames, the beauty of the Columbia River Gorge, Mt. Hood, Crater Lake, the Pacific coast, etc. are still evident. People are incredibly friendly, the state camp grounds are fabulous, etc. I found it very hard to leave the area and come back to flat Michigan. Howard, you truly live in a wonderful place. BTW, the only crops in the northwest regularly being watered to combat the draught were the grapes...got to keep that wine flowing Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 15:44:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvWrQ-0000Wha; Tue, 27 Aug 96 15:43 PDT X-Path: pipeline.com!erainbow2 From: erainbow2@usa.pipeline.com (Mark Wallace) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: leaky cutters Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:38:10 GMT Message-ID: <199608272238.WAA22396@pipe10.h1.usa.pipeline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've been reading a lot lately about leaky cutters. It's been our experience that many oil filled cutters do, in fact, leak. Sometimes the leaks can be prevented or minimized by tightening the fill knob. This creates a partial vacuum in the reservoir and lessens the oil flow. There's a rubber seal under this knob which should be checked also. Actually a minor leak isn't so bad since then you know for sure that your wheel is being lubricated. Another problem cause could be that the oil in the cutter is too thin and wicks out too easily. However, we have a solution to the problems caused by leaky cutters. The Emerald Rainbow markets something called the CutterCap. It's a soft plastic cap that fits over the head of your cutter and then seals on the hub. Your local retailer should have them, or can get them easily. We use them all the time. They work especially well when you're transporting your cutter in your toolbox. The cap captures all drips and won't allow your toolbox to get sloppy. You can always swab out the cap with a paper towel if your cutter leaks a lot. The likely retail price is about two dollars. Mark ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 17:59:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvYxh-0000t7a; Tue, 27 Aug 96 17:58 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:58:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.165811.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Lorley: The "permanent" Sharpie markers may be permanent on other surfaces, but they are definately NOT permanent on glass. As soon as you start to grind the edges, the sharpie will "flake" off. I have been using the gold Pilot brand pens. The tip is a little wider that I prefer, but they hold up much better on the grinder. To get the paint off of the glass when you are finished with your project, try C J 's flux remover. It will remove any flux residue and also all traces of the marking pen. Hope this info helps, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 18:03:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvZ2S-0000ava; Tue, 27 Aug 96 18:03 PDT X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: cutters Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <199608280103.VAA28515@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Back in the dark ages before oiling cutters were marketed, we used #7 or #9 Fletcher steel wheels. Between scores, the cutter was returned to a jar with enough lamp oil to saturate a sponge in its bottom to prevent breaking the jar. However, some of the newer glass being produced is hard and brittle making a carbide wheel preferable in many cases to the steel wheel. Still use both steel and carbide happily in the old fashioned steel shank - some habits are hard to break. Teach this routine to beginning glass cutters in case they wish to revert to it in the future. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 18:08:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvZ7B-0000qAa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 18:08 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:08:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug27.1787.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Howard: I too used to fill my cutters with 3-in-1 oil. My instructor recommended placing a little oil on a piece of felt, and placing the felt pad into the bottom of a small container. I keep my cutters, when unused, sitting in this container on the felt pad. Before I use the cutter, I wipe the excess oil off of the head and start cutting. This works great for me. Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 18:52:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvZnU-0000Esa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 18:52 PDT X-Path: tpgi.com.au!llutz From: llutz To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: toyo cutter - pistol grip Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:50:08 +1100 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.22508.0> References: <<1996Aug27.20237.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too am enjoying the tips- My toyo pistol grip works well & leaks very little- after 2 years- I am using sewing machine oil in it. Larry from Minore via Dubbo > >i curios the toyo cutter you had, was it a pistol grip or a regular > >cutter? i have a pistol from toyo, and it leaked too, i thought it was > >just mine. i wonder if all the toyo products leak. > > Mike, > Mine leaked like a sieve ... took it BACK! It was a pistol grip also. I > liked the way it cut .... maybe I should have just used it like an old > cutter without the oil in it! > > I am really enjoying all the 'tips!' > > -Lane > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 20:42:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvbUv-0000V8a; Tue, 27 Aug 96 20:40 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Carpet=big problems Date: 27 Aug 96 23:39:31 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug28.33931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee >....for so many glass hobby people and small glass studios like mine, what > would be a better solution for converting a second bedroom to a workshop? > I rent, so cannot tear out the original carpet, there is no garage or other > suitable space that I can afford. < I can't recommend working at home, but if you are anyway, there are things that can reduce your exposure. There is a type of heavy plastic material which can be placed over the carpet. It will still be resilient when you walk or stand on it which is more comfortable, but it can be easily damp mopped or sponged down. Use TSP (trisodium phosphate) which is the detergent recommended for lead clean up. The tables and other furniture also should be cleaned daily the same way. > I was disabled in a fall several years ago, and except for a small > disability income have no funds for a better work area. < If your disability precludes getting down and doing a good clean up of the floor and work surfaces, this will be even more of a problem. > I am hoping to build up an income from my glass work. < I wish you GREAT success so you will have enough income to get a studio. > (just a note, there are no children or other people in the apartment) < That's excellent. We can't take the risks with our children that we would take for ourselves. > Would you suggest a room size piece of lino to put over the original > carpet? Just to protect it.< Room sized lino or plastic. And not to protect the carpet--to protect you. > I do replace the carpet remnant every 4-5 months. I have a source to > get used carpet remnants free, and have it steam cleaned before laying it > down in the studio room.< I just wouldn't have the carpet there at all if possible. > Also use large fan to blow the fumes out the window when I am soldering...< I hope you mean to "draw" the fumes out the window. The fan must be in the window, facing out, and the area around the fan must be completely blocked so that no air can return in at the window. At the other end of the room there must be a window, door or some other source of replacement air for the fan. > as well as a fume catcher.< It needs to be a HEPA. And it needs to have a strong draw in the vicinity of the soldering operation. There are some out there that have the exhaust just above the area that draws in air. I've tested these with indicator smoke and the exhaust from the fan provides so much turbulence in the area in front of the intake that they don't collect well. If you describe the system better, I will know more about how good it is. > I try to minimize the dust, and the carpet catches glass slivers before > they get tracked into the rest of the house. < The carpet only catches the "biggies." And remember that glass dust from grinding is also a source of metals, some more toxic than lead such as cadmium. Thanks for kind words. I have a step daughter in Davie (near Ft Laud) and I know first hand how humid and hot it can be there. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 20:48:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvbaZ-0000kra; Tue, 27 Aug 96 20:46 PDT X-Path: agt.net!glassewe From: "Clark and Annette Johnston" To: Subject: Re: sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:13:05 -0600 Message-ID: <199608280346.VAA23190@agt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rather than a sharpie pen, I have found the Staedtler Lumocolor permanent / waterproof pen to work well. It comes in various thickness although I usually use Fine. It usually stays on during the grinding process yet wipes of with water and a little rubbing. They are made in Germany and are available in most stationary stores (in Canada anyway) and are sold for use to write on transparencies for overhead projectors. Make sure its the permanent one though. Haven't had to buy one for several months but I believe they cost around $3 to $4. Clark Glass & Ewe Studios Red Deer, Alberta, Canada glassewe@agt.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 21:23:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvc8z-0000SJa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:22 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!vnunit1 From: vnunit1@ix.netcom.com (RICK D VAUGHN) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailer helping ret Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199608280422.VAA27549@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think that having access to the newsletter through local suppliers would be wonderful. Have you considered the wholesalers as well as retailers? Teresa Color It Glass! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 21:26:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvcBp-0000oea; Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:25 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!vnunit1 From: vnunit1@ix.netcom.com (RICK D VAUGHN) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Scrap glass Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: <199608280425.VAA14044@dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A trick for those of you who are concerned about giving scrap glass to the kids for making things. Someone once suggested to me that you can run the glass bits through a rock tumbler and then let them use it. It knocks off the rough edges and makes them a bit more user friendly! Teresa Color It Glass! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 21:35:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvcKi-0000CDa; Tue, 27 Aug 96 21:34 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!vnunit1 From: vnunit1@ix.netcom.com (RICK D VAUGHN) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199608280434.VAA04607@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >denatured alcahol will remove most things on glass, marker, sticker >glue, etc. except that gold paint from pilot in which you have to use >something more powerful. > >---Mike Savad Mike, I prefer using those infamous gold paint pens from pilot, work great, don't wash away as easily in the grinder, but what do you use to take them off? I sometimes end up with stubborn spots (that even the grinder leaves behind)! Teresa Color It Glass! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 01:57:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvgPw-0000DUa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 01:56 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Contact Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:54:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.115433.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to use this channel but Sephanie from Delphi, if you are listening, did you receive my message of July 22. Contact me please Andrea Melbourne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 02:46:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvhBD-0000L5a; Wed, 28 Aug 96 02:44 PDT X-Path: juno.com!magry From: magry@juno.com (Magricely Mendoza) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 05:44:41 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug28.94441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, everybody; I'm new in the hooby and new in California; and I'm looking for people in the San Fernando Valley that could help me find retailers or studios where I could buy materials and also take classes every once in a while. Advice... yeah! I also need some of that. Right now I've been learning a lot from your comments. I also have three children (I'm a stay at home mom... full time job!!), so I'm very concern about lead exposure. Other things that I need info on are: grinders and soldering iron. I still need to buy those (I was using the ones that my instructor lend me... excellent quality, but too expensive for my budget), I need something of good quality, reliable and at the same time not too expensive... Well, thanks a lot for any help that you guys can offer... I really appreciate it; and if you guys can't help... don't worry!, after a long day at home with my kids, I always enjoy some adult conversation.. Take care!. sincerely; Magry. magry@ juno.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 05:13:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvjU7-0000Vaa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 05:12 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Products? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <199608091341.IAA03594@mail2.gte.net> References: <<1996Aug9.34232.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > I saw the warnings on the DL4000. I hope the quality doesn't apply to the > Diamond Max grinder as well. Does anyone have one of these. Hi Linda, Yes, I have a Diamond Max and I love it. It lets me do some beveling for my boxes and candle holders, (original designs) and a multitude of other things. I bought the fancy model with extra round bits, and find that the ability to change bits is great. One thought, when you first get the replacement, take all of the bits, adapters, and the large disk off, spray the spindle that they attach to with WD40, then reasemble. Take care that the flat side of the spindle lines up with the set screws (tightning screws) of the disk, adapter, and bits. Once a week there after go thru routine again so the pieces don't freeze to the spindle. A bugger to get off when you replace the large disk if you don't do this. Since I work on glass every day, I clean out the grinder every night, and do the disasembly of disks for through cleaning once a week. It is still working great months later, of nearly continuous use. I admit I tend to take good care of tools and equipment, but it lasts a lot longer that way. Good luck Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 06:33:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvkj2-0000Uva; Wed, 28 Aug 96 06:32 PDT X-Path: digital.net!dti From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Tech Products? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608281331.JAA03597@digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Couldn't help but reading your messages. This is Jennifer and I work at DTI. I promise I won't give you a sales pitch but I will give you information about our new grinders that were introduced at the AGSA show. This fall DTI introduces the Bevel Max - a complete studio beveling system that allows you to create custom made bevels in under five minutes in four easy steps. The best part - it's affordable! Sug. retail is $299.95. We had four demos out at the show and people loved them. You can make inside and outside curves as well as repolish stock bevels. The package comes with everything you need plus a how-to video. Another new product is the Power Max Deluxe. This is a professional router style grinder with lots of accessories. The great thing about our Max line of grinders is that they all use the same powerful 1/8 hp base and are completely convertible. That means if you have a Diamond Max you can convert it into a Bevel Max and vice versa so you get more for your money. We have also extended the warranty on our grinders to 5 years and have made quality improvements to the tools and shipping (UPS loves to beat up things). We're especially excitied about the Bevel Max, this is something people have been asking us to design for a long time - an affordable, high quality beveler. If you'd like more info please request a catalog and visit our web site at http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti or call 800-937-9593. As far as any quality problems with tools, the Diamond Lasers are the best selling band saws in the industry and occassionally one will have a bad part or more likely be damaged in shipping. Our customers and dealers tell us we have the best customer service in the business so if anyone reading this ever has any problems with our tools please call the 800 number and we'll take care of it right away. Thanks! P.S. If you enjoy mosaic stepping stones wait until you see the new shapes we've designed. People were going nuts for them at the AGSA show. Haven't seen people acting like this since I had to buy a Cabbage Patch Kid many holidays ago. At 09:39 AM 8/9/96 -0700, you wrote: >Linda Campbell wrote: >> >> I saw the warnings on the DL4000. I hope the quality doesn't apply to the >> Diamond Max grinder as well. Does anyone have one of these. > >Hi Linda, > >Yes, I have a Diamond Max and I love it. It lets me do some beveling for >my boxes and candle holders, (original designs) and a multitude of other >things. I bought the fancy model with extra round bits, and find that >the ability to change bits is great. One thought, when you first get the >replacement, take all of the bits, adapters, and the large disk off, >spray the spindle that they attach to with WD40, then reasemble. Take >care that the flat side of the spindle lines up with the set screws >(tightning screws) of the disk, adapter, and bits. Once a week there >after go thru routine again so the pieces don't freeze to the spindle. A >bugger to get off when you replace the large disk if you don't do this. > >Since I work on glass every day, I clean out the grinder every night, and >do the disasembly of disks for through cleaning once a week. It is still >working great months later, of nearly continuous use. > >I admit I tend to take good care of tools and equipment, but it lasts a >lot longer that way. > >Good luck > >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 06:44:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvku5-0000WGa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 06:43 PDT X-Path: bellsouth.net!cschuna From: "cschuna@bellsouth.net" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: leaky cutters Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:37:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.53727.0> References: <<199608272238.WAA22396@pipe10.h1.usa.pipeline.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mark Wallace wrote: > **snip** > The > Emerald Rainbow markets something called the CutterCap. It's a soft > plastic cap that fits over the head of your cutter and then seals on the > hub. Your local retailer should have them, or can get them easily. > > We use them all the time. They work especially well when you're > transporting your cutter in your toolbox. The cap captures all drips and > won't allow your toolbox to get sloppy. You can always swab out the cap > with a paper towel if your cutter leaks a lot. The likely retail price is > about two dollars. This is neat to know about another 'gadget' - being the gadget type that I am..... What I have been using for transporting cutters are the tubes that the surface mirrors came in - if you've ever purchased a kalideoscope kit. Cindy PS - I'm 100% female too! :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 07:01:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvlAX-0000G0a; Wed, 28 Aug 96 07:00 PDT X-Path: scv.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: leaky cutters Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 06:59:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960828135955.29d7fc66@mail.scv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 07:25:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvlYf-0000Qua; Wed, 28 Aug 96 07:25 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:20:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.62025.0> References: <<199608280434.VAA04607@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RICK D VAUGHN wrote: > > You wrote: > > >denatured alcahol will remove most things on glass, marker, sticker > >glue, etc. except that gold paint from pilot in which you have to use > >something more powerful. > > > >---Mike Savad > Mike, > > I prefer using those infamous gold paint pens from pilot, work great, > don't wash away as easily in the grinder, but what do you use to take > them off? I sometimes end up with stubborn spots (that even the > grinder leaves behind)! > > Teresa > Color It Glass! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i use latex paint remover to remove the stuff, however nail polish remover should work too. so far this is one of the toughest markers i've seen, in fact i saw someone who used it to sign there work. though it's a good idea there's still a chance that it can come off. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 07:29:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvlcd-0000Tya; Wed, 28 Aug 96 07:29 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.62616.0> References: <<1996Aug28.94441.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Magricely Mendoza wrote: > > Hi, everybody; > I'm new in the hooby and new in California; and I'm looking for people > in the > San Fernando Valley that could help me find retailers or studios where I > could > buy materials and also take classes every once in a while. Advice... > yeah! I also > need some of that. Right now I've been learning a lot from your > comments. > I also have three children (I'm a stay at home mom... full time > job!!), so I'm very > concern about lead exposure. Other things that I need info on are: > grinders and soldering iron. I still need to buy those (I was using the > ones that my instructor > lend me... excellent quality, but too expensive for my budget), I need > something > of good quality, reliable and at the same time not too expensive... > Well, thanks a lot for any help that you guys can offer... I really > appreciate it; and > if you guys can't help... don't worry!, after a long day at home with my > kids, I > always enjoy some adult conversation.. > Take care!. > > > sincerely; > > > Magry. > > magry@ juno.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, i'm not sure what you mean by too expensive. a good iron will be around $40. inland makes good irons, but don't get the one with the built in reostat, i'm pretty sure it does'nt give the full tip temperture, instead by a reostat seperatly. ungar makes good irons but i would'nt buy from them again. hexacon, the good, but heavy, and sometimes of poor design (vent holes, and hot handles), but they do come in very large sizes. as for grinders get an inland, the WIZ is the in between one and is good for begginners and advaced (though the work surface is kinda small). if you do go for an inland, get the pop-top variety it will make clean up real easy. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 08:17:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvmMU-0000Xka; Wed, 28 Aug 96 08:16 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "cschuna@bellsouth.net" Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Aug28.11334.0> References: <<1996Aug27.104042.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Cindy. I guess I am not sure there is a trick per se. The marker pen is used to trace around the pattern you are cutting. Because it is outside the pattern piece, I cut it on the line and then grind off the markings if any remain. Usually when I rinse the piece after grinding, the markings come off with tap water and drying. I have found that if I use a metallic marker, it will dissolve if I use a cutter with oil in it. For this reason, I keep a cutter and only touch it to the sponge as needed. Sometimes for the metallic markings, I use a fine (oooo) steelwool to get it off. Hope this clarifies things. PJ from CA. On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, cschuna@bellsouth.net wrote: > Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > > > Lorley: One of the criticisms of the Sharpies is that the so-called > > permanent ink comes off while grinding. For this reason the Stabilo pen > > is best. I don't have a problem with the pen marks coming off with tap > > water..if so, I use acetone. I keep a little spray bottle of it handy for > > the metalic pens also. PJ from CA. > > > After reading this for awhile.....tell me please - if you can.... > > Just what is the *trick* to getting the marker off of irridized > glass?! The closest I've come to managing it - is with coffee pot > cleaner....and being vewy VEWY careful to make sure I don't get it > on the part I want to 'keep'! > > Cindy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 10:08:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvo5t-0000f6a; Wed, 28 Aug 96 10:07 PDT X-Path: scv.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960828153436.3ebf9e30@mail.scv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 14:16:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvryB-0000bEa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:16 PDT X-Path: juno.com!magry From: magry@juno.com (Magricely Mendoza) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:34:51 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug28.203451.0> References: <<1996Aug28.94441.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! is me ....again well I'm willing to pay up to $70.00 on a good soldering iron and about a$100. for a grinder (maybe a little more... I don't want it to "die" in the middle of a project). So, what do you think?... Would I be able to find something good for that price? Talk to you later... Magry. magry@juno.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 14:24:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvs5D-0000sca; Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:23 PDT X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 14:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1996Aug28.203451.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Hi! is me ....again > > well I'm willing to pay up to $70.00 on a good soldering iron and about > a$100. > for a grinder (maybe a little more... I don't want it to "die" in the > middle of a project). > So, what do you think?... Would I be able to find something good for > that price? try looking at www.delphi.com and getting their catalog. you can buy lots of stuff through the mail, cheaper, and you don't have to pay sales tax. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 15:26:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvt38-0000ura; Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:25 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Help! Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:24:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.112457.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk We just lost our college student. If anyone is a stained glass crafter in the ABE section of Pennsylvania and you are looking for work, we have part time & piece work available. We offer supplies at wholesale prices as a perk. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 15:36:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvtCo-0000wua; Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sharpie Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:32:08 -0600 Message-ID: <199608282232.QAA06486@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Alcohol also works but windex usually works fine.. Meg At 03:43 PM 27/08/1996 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Lorley, >Removing markers. How about "turps" or white spirit. Find that this >works almost in 100% of markers. >Elisabeth 'n Toby >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 15:36:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvtCo-0000wwa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: misc Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:31:47 -0600 Message-ID: <199608282231.QAA06450@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry; Turps = turpentine At 09:26 AM 22/08/1996 -0400, you wrote: >Meg LaVal[SMTP:rlaval@sol.racsa.co.cr] said: > > > There are special spade shaped glass bits which you can by at the >hardware store and use in a regular drill, but it works better if the drill >is variable speed, and can therefore run very slowly. Also need >lubrication, >have used turps and water both. > >What is turp? > > Someone mentioned tumbling glass scraps. Do they come out polished >or scratched? How long? what grit? I have a rock tumbler. > > Bye for now, Meg > >Sounds interesting. I may try this too. My husband has a vortex tumbler he >uses to clean brass casing for reloading bullets. What media should be used >for glass? I assume at least two phases, course to fine to polish? > >Linda Campbell >Suffolk, VA > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 15:53:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvtTn-0000mSa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:52 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.144757.0> References: <<1996Aug28.203451.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Magricely Mendoza wrote: > > Hi! is me ....again > > well I'm willing to pay up to $70.00 on a good soldering iron and about > a$100. > for a grinder (maybe a little more... I don't want it to "die" in the > middle of a project). > So, what do you think?... Would I be able to find something good for > that price? > > > Talk to you later... > > Magry. > > magry@juno.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass welp, $70 will get a really good iron, though i don't think you'll have to spend that much instead save the money and by a good grinder, $100 will get you a pretty good grinder. remember in a few years or more (depending on how much you use it) you may have to replace the soldering iron, because the heater inside do die after some time. but a grinder should last a very long time, one of mine is around 10 years old now and still runs like new. ---Mike Savad BTW i think i paid around $150 for my ultimate wizard. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 15:53:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvtTt-0000wQa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 15:53 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.144948.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Charles Spitzer wrote: > > You wrote: > > Hi! is me ....again > > > > well I'm willing to pay up to $70.00 on a good soldering iron and about > > a$100. > > for a grinder (maybe a little more... I don't want it to "die" in the > > middle of a project). > > So, what do you think?... Would I be able to find something good for > > that price? > > try looking at www.delphi.com and getting their catalog. you can buy lots of > stuff through the mail, cheaper, and you don't have to pay sales tax. > > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Customer Assistance Center > Stratus Computer, Inc. > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well acually, i don't mean to insult delphi or anything, they have a real pretty catalog but are acually a little more expensive than other catalogs i've seen. personnaly i would try to find a local stained glass shop and get to be friends with the owner, every so often i'll get a good price that way. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 16:19:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvtsz-0000vka; Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:19 PDT X-Path: baldcom.net!mruv From: mruv@baldcom.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: no mail Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:18 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Has the stained glass discussion group still around? I have not been getting any mail. Is there a problem? Do I have to resubscribe? Maria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 16:32:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvu5L-0000maa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 16:31 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: no mail Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:27:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug28.152714.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mruv@baldcom.net wrote: > > Has the stained glass discussion group still around? I have not been getting > any mail. Is there a problem? Do I have to resubscribe? > Maria > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe, i must of gotton over 20 messages from this group alone yesterday. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 18:10:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvvc4-0000Dsa; Wed, 28 Aug 96 18:09 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. ar Date: 28 Aug 96 19:48:58 EDT Message-ID: <960828234857_70544.3642_JHD98-1@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >you can buy lots of stuff through the mail, cheaper, and you don't have >to pay sales tax. Sometimes that's true. Other times ... and it seems mostly true now: some or most states *require the collection of sales taxes even on mail order items, just as if that supplier were in your home town ... You'd have to check your local/state rules. Still, you can save quite a bit by buying through the mail. Not only do mail order outfits have lower overhead (since they don't have to pay retail space rates), but they're generally selling larger quantities of goods, as well, so can reduce their costs by buying in bulk themselves. Check out the list of suppliers on our web site for the one nearest you; they're listed alphabetically, but also by state ... as well as by product category. And there are over forty suppliers who give Guild members discounts of 5-50%, too. The web address for the home page is http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Find "Resources" about halfway down the page and click it! Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 18:10:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvvcj-0000lza; Wed, 28 Aug 96 18:10 PDT X-Path: pilot.msu.edu!wrightk5 From: "Kristen Marie Wright" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608290110.VAA23701@pilot05.cl.msu.edu> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > try looking at www.delphi.com and getting their catalog. you can buy lots of Delphi is found at www.voyager.net/delphiglass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 18:21:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uvvmj-0000oga; Wed, 28 Aug 96 18:20 PDT X-Path: cdsnet.net!hackney From: hackney@cdsnet.net (Craig Hackney) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: retailers in LA Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:20:31 -0700 Message-ID: <199608290120.SAA02633@mail.cdsnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Magricely Mendoza: Try calling Pacific Glass at 1-800-354-5277 or locally in Gardena CA 310-516-7828 and ask them for a catalog. They are a mail order stained glass supplier with a small selection of supplies but great prices for what they do have. We bought an two Inland 150 soldering irons from them for $25. each during one of their specials. They work great. Also call Glass Crafters in Florida and ask them for a catalog. Their number is 1-800-422-4552. Lisa Hackney ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 04:50:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uw5be-0000Ida; Thu, 29 Aug 96 04:49 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Retailers in L.A. area Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 07:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608291149.HAA28017@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Charles Spitzer wrote: >> try looking at www.delphi.com and getting their catalog. you can buy lots of >> stuff through the mail, cheaper, and you don't have to pay sales tax. Actually the correct URL is http://www.delphiglass.com. Thanks for the mention, though. Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 05:42:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uw6Q7-0000VGa; Thu, 29 Aug 96 05:42 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sales tax (Re: Retailers in L.A. ar Date: Thu, 29 Aug 96 08:38:05 EDT Message-ID: <960829.084042.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<960828234857_70544.3642_JHD98-1@CompuServe.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Re: mail order and sales tax: Some states like you to report your mail order purchases and pay the sales tax on them. In Connecticut you can do this on your income tax, I believe. (I'm not a big mail orderer, myself.) I rather suspect a large order on a credit card might someday get "caught". -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 09:34:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwA2A-0000w6a; Thu, 29 Aug 96 09:33 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug29.83328.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A couple of us were wondering if there is a market for used Odyssey lamp forms? I know I would be interested in purchasing a used lamp form instead of paying the steep price for a new one. Being a "hobbiest" I would probably only make a particular lamp once or twice. Any thoughts? Chris McMurdo San Mateo, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 11:22:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwBis-0000Lwa; Thu, 29 Aug 96 11:21 PDT X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Warner Crivellaro Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:19:53 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug29.181953.0> References: <<1996Aug29.83328.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I just thought I'd let you all know that I finally did receive a catalog after 5 or 6 months and three phone calls. Actually I received three of them in the mail today. I didn't have to pay anything. Just keep calling and be patient, I guess. Or if anyone's really desparate, I have two to spare. Thanks for all the help. Jerri P.S. Lorley if you're out there, send me your e-mail address. I can't find it. Recieved the package. Thank you very much. I'll either e- or snail mail you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 14:59:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwF6Y-0000oBa; Thu, 29 Aug 96 14:58 PDT X-Path: computek.net!adamsfam From: adamsfam@computek.net (Todd Adams) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe please Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <199608292157.QAA15056@ns1.computek.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 18:57:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwIlP-0000osa; Thu, 29 Aug 96 18:52 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Delphi's new look Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:56:20 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey Stephanie, I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 04:56:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwSAy-0000Yja; Fri, 30 Aug 96 04:55 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Delphi's new look Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 07:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199608301155.HAA08097@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue!!! > I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new >look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour >from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the >walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. We were definitely due for a "new look" and it's looking better all of the time. Not quite complete, but soon. > Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to >Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Yes, I do really work here and "work" is the key word as I am seldom let out of my cage to have fun and to meet many of the interesting people I have chatted with over the past years. Sue, we were so close, yet so far! Someone told me you were here, pointed your out to me, and I *tried* to reach you 3 times the other day, but everytime I was intercepted by someone else, which is typical--I hear "Steeeeephhhhhh......." what seems to be at least a hundred times a day. I was very disappointed because my 4th attempt to try to meet you, you were already gone . Hopefully next time.... I have often times wanted to get together with the wonderful people I have chatted with over the past year or so and just have some fun together possibly doing glass. Are there any others who would be interested in getting together and maybe doing something special? Take care and have a safe and happy Labor Day! Stephani ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 07:12:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwUIZ-0000dea; Fri, 30 Aug 96 07:11 PDT X-Path: scv.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Replies to the list Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 07:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960830141110.2cd771aa@mail.scv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? I sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers in LA and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO text. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 08:03:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwV61-0000OXa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 08:02 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Aug30.7251.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Chris: If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. I am fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They charge $25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think the $25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new asking price. Thanks, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. August 30, 1996 9:58 am CST ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 13:52:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwaUd-0000qca; Fri, 30 Aug 96 13:48 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Replies to the list Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:06:49 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug30.21649.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19960830141110.2cd771aa@mail.scv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kay, I received two or three the other day without any text. I thought maybe they were just sent in error? -Lane On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 07:11:10 -0700 Kay Allen writes: >Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? >I >sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers >in LA >and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO >text. >Kay > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 13:52:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwaUd-0000pxa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 13:48 PDT X-Path: juno.com!ejcornell From: ejcornell@juno.com (Elaine J Cornell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:07:46 PST Message-ID: <1996Aug30.21746.0> References: <<1996Aug30.7251.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Count me in too! -Lane On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:02:51 -0400 Guitarshop@aol.com writes: >Hello Chris: > > If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. >I am >fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They >charge >$25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think >the >$25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new >asking >price. > >Thanks, >Michael & Donna McGrew >Shattered Images Studio >Houston,TX. > >August 30, 1996 >9:58 am CST >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 15:05:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwbf8-0000xTa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 15:03 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: Odyssey Rentals Date: Fri, 30 Aug 96 15:04:47 -0500 Message-ID: <199608302203.PAA29244@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard I have about 25 odyssey forms that I have used and my usual treatment is to "rent" them for the FULL retail price, and when I get them back in no worse conditon...time is of no concern, I will return 50% of the retail value you paid. I will also SELL used forms, but we would need to discuss which ones and find an agreeable deal. I have many tips that I can send with the form for that specific one. Hope this helps you get what you want. Enjoy....h -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 15:09:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwbk4-0000s9a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 15:08 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 3:07pm Message-ID: <199608302208.PAA00929@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Sue Eiszler DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 15:07 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sue Eiszler [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-29 21:56 Subject: Delphi's new look --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Stephanie, I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 15:39:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwcCC-0000z8a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 15:37 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 3:36pm Message-ID: <199608302237.PAA08539@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Kay Allen DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 15:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Kay Allen [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 07:11 Subject: Replies to the list --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? I sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers in LA and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO text. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 16:15:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwclZ-0000cga; Fri, 30 Aug 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 4:13pm Message-ID: <199608302314.QAA16065@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Guitarshop DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 16:13 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Guitarshop [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 11:02 Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Chris: If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. I am fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They charge $25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think the $25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new asking price. Thanks, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. August 30, 1996 9:58 am CST ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 16:46:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwdFT-0000Qha; Fri, 30 Aug 96 16:45 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 4:45pm Message-ID: <199608302345.QAA21805@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Delphi Stained Glass DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 16:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Delphi Stained Glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 07:55 Subject: Re: Delphi's new look --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sue!!! > I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new >look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour >from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the >walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. We were definitely due for a "new look" and it's looking better all of the time. Not quite complete, but soon. > Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to >Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Yes, I do really work here and "work" is the key word as I am seldom let out of my cage to have fun and to meet many of the interesting people I have chatted with over the past years. Sue, we were so close, yet so far! Someone told me you were here, pointed your out to me, and I *tried* to reach you 3 times the other day, but everytime I was intercepted by someone else, which is typical--I hear "Steeeeephhhhhh......." what seems to be at least a hundred times a day. I was very disappointed because my 4th attempt to try to meet you, you were already gone . Hopefully next time.... I have often times wanted to get together with the wonderful people I have chatted with over the past year or so and just have some fun together possibly doing glass. Are there any others who would be interested in getting together and maybe doing something special? Take care and have a safe and happy Labor Day! Stephani ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:17:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwdkK-0000eIa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:17 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:12pm Message-ID: <199608310014.RAA27238@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Elaine J Cornell DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elaine J Cornell [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 13:07 Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count me in too! -Lane On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:02:51 -0400 Guitarshop@aol.com writes: >Hello Chris: > > If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. >I am >fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They >charge >$25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think >the >$25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new >asking >price. > >Thanks, >Michael & Donna McGrew >Shattered Images Studio >Houston,TX. > >August 30, 1996 >9:58 am CST >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:18:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwdkE-0000aDa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:17 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:12pm Message-ID: <199608310014.RAA27211@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Elaine J Cornell DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elaine J Cornell [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 13:06 Subject: Re: Replies to the list --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kay, I received two or three the other day without any text. I thought maybe they were just sent in error? -Lane On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 07:11:10 -0700 Kay Allen writes: >Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? >I >sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers >in LA >and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO >text. >Kay > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:26:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwdt9-0000zga; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:26 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:25pm Message-ID: <199608310026.RAA29167@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Elaine & Howard Rubin DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:25 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: Glass list [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 15:04 Subject: Odyssey Rentals --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard I have about 25 odyssey forms that I have used and my usual treatment is to "rent" them for the FULL retail price, and when I get them back in no worse conditon...time is of no concern, I will return 50% of the retail value you paid. I will also SELL used forms, but we would need to discuss which ones and find an agreeable deal. I have many tips that I can send with the form for that specific one. Hope this helps you get what you want. Enjoy....h -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:26:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwdtJ-0000jYa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:26 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:25pm Message-ID: <199608310026.RAA29217@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:25 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 15:07 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Sue Eiszler DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 15:07 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sue Eiszler [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-29 21:56 Subject: Delphi's new look --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Stephanie, I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:32:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwdyy-0000xTa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:32 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:31pm Message-ID: <199608310032.RAA00442@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:31 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 15:36 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Kay Allen DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 15:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Kay Allen [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 07:11 Subject: Replies to the list --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? I sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers in LA and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO text. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:38:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwe54-0000vOa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:38 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:36pm Message-ID: <199608310038.RAA01318@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 16:13 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Guitarshop DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 16:13 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Guitarshop [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 11:02 Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Chris: If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. I am fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They charge $25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think the $25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new asking price. Thanks, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. August 30, 1996 9:58 am CST ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:39:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwe5e-0000w2a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:39 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:38pm Message-ID: <199608310039.RAA01395@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:38 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 16:45 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Delphi Stained Glass DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 16:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Delphi Stained Glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 07:55 Subject: Re: Delphi's new look --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sue!!! > I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new >look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour >from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the >walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. We were definitely due for a "new look" and it's looking better all of the time. Not quite complete, but soon. > Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to >Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Yes, I do really work here and "work" is the key word as I am seldom let out of my cage to have fun and to meet many of the interesting people I have chatted with over the past years. Sue, we were so close, yet so far! Someone told me you were here, pointed your out to me, and I *tried* to reach you 3 times the other day, but everytime I was intercepted by someone else, which is typical--I hear "Steeeeephhhhhh......." what seems to be at least a hundred times a day. I was very disappointed because my 4th attempt to try to meet you, you were already gone . Hopefully next time.... I have often times wanted to get together with the wonderful people I have chatted with over the past year or so and just have some fun together possibly doing glass. Are there any others who would be interested in getting together and maybe doing something special? Take care and have a safe and happy Labor Day! Stephani ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:47:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweD4-0000s9a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:46 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:42pm Message-ID: <199608310043.RAA02134@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:42 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:12 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Elaine J Cornell DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elaine J Cornell [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 13:07 Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count me in too! -Lane On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:02:51 -0400 Guitarshop@aol.com writes: >Hello Chris: > > If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. >I am >fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They >charge >$25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think >the >$25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new >asking >price. > >Thanks, >Michael & Donna McGrew >Shattered Images Studio >Houston,TX. > >August 30, 1996 >9:58 am CST >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:47:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweDA-0000DQa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:46 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:42pm Message-ID: <199608310044.RAA02168@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:42 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:12 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Elaine J Cornell DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elaine J Cornell [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 13:06 Subject: Re: Replies to the list --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kay, I received two or three the other day without any text. I thought maybe they were just sent in error? -Lane On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 07:11:10 -0700 Kay Allen writes: >Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? >I >sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers >in LA >and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO >text. >Kay > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:47:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweDO-0000JXa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:47 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:43pm Message-ID: <199608310044.RAA02221@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:43 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:25 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:25 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 15:07 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Sue Eiszler DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 15:07 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Sue Eiszler [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-29 21:56 Subject: Delphi's new look --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Stephanie, I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:48:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweDP-0000rha; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:47 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:43pm Message-ID: <199608310044.RAA02230@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:43 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:31 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:31 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 15:36 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Kay Allen DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 15:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Kay Allen [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 07:11 Subject: Replies to the list --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? I sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers in LA and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO text. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:48:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweDU-0000Qha; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:47 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:44pm Message-ID: <199608310044.RAA02258@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:44 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:36 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 16:13 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Guitarshop DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 16:13 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Guitarshop [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 11:02 Subject: Re: Resale market for Odyssey lamp forms --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Chris: If you find anyone selling these moulds, please let me know too. I am fortunate enough to have a local retailer that rents the moulds. They charge $25.00 for 6 weeks. I recently completed a 18" Dragonfly. I think the $25.00 is a fair charge, instead of buying the mould for $100.00+ new asking price. Thanks, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. August 30, 1996 9:58 am CST ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:48:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweDO-0000K8a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:47 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:43pm Message-ID: <199608310044.RAA02207@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:43 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:25 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Elaine & Howard Rubin DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:25 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: Glass list [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 15:04 Subject: Odyssey Rentals --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard I have about 25 odyssey forms that I have used and my usual treatment is to "rent" them for the FULL retail price, and when I get them back in no worse conditon...time is of no concern, I will return 50% of the retail value you paid. I will also SELL used forms, but we would need to discuss which ones and find an agreeable deal. I have many tips that I can send with the form for that specific one. Hope this helps you get what you want. Enjoy....h -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 17:48:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uweDU-0000x2a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 17:47 PDT X-Path: prmsmesscall.nwest.attws.com!POSTMASTER From: "Adminstrator" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 5:44pm Message-ID: <199608310044.RAA02277@nwestmail.nwest.mccaw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:44 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 17:38 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Adminstrator DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 17:38 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Adminstrator [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 16:45 Subject: Mail failure --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO: Delphi Stained Glass DATE: 08-30-96 TIME: 16:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ User mail received addressed to the following unknown addresses: telepaage/messgdev/phillg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Delphi Stained Glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] To: glass [SMTP:glass@bungi.com] Date: 1996-08-30 07:55 Subject: Re: Delphi's new look --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sue!!! > I was at Delphi two weeks ago and saw the beginnings of your 'new >look 'in the sales area. For those of you not lucky enough to live an hour >from Delphi, when I was there George and Roy were literally climbing the >walls installing new paneling. I'll bet it looks terrifc by now. We were definitely due for a "new look" and it's looking better all of the time. Not quite complete, but soon. > Hope to meet you sometime, but you're never there when I get to >Lansing...do ya' really work there ? Yes, I do really work here and "work" is the key word as I am seldom let out of my cage to have fun and to meet many of the interesting people I have chatted with over the past years. Sue, we were so close, yet so far! Someone told me you were here, pointed your out to me, and I *tried* to reach you 3 times the other day, but everytime I was intercepted by someone else, which is typical--I hear "Steeeeephhhhhh......." what seems to be at least a hundred times a day. I was very disappointed because my 4th attempt to try to meet you, you were already gone . Hopefully next time.... I have often times wanted to get together with the wonderful people I have chatted with over the past year or so and just have some fun together possibly doing glass. Are there any others who would be interested in getting together and maybe doing something special? Take care and have a safe and happy Labor Day! Stephani ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 19:54:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwgCJ-0000DUa; Fri, 30 Aug 96 19:54 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: failed mail messages Date: 30 Aug 96 22:52:56 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug31.25256.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I'm headed out the weekend but why am I getting all these failed mail >messages today from glass@bungi.com? No idea. The mystery of science and technology? I just dump 'em and keep on reading the good ones. Hope you had a nice weekend. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 21:11:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwhP2-0000T9a; Fri, 30 Aug 96 21:11 PDT X-Path: juno.com!magry From: magry@juno.com (Magricely Mendoza) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: failed mail messages Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:10:13 EDT Message-ID: <1996Aug31.41013.0> References: <<1996Aug31.25256.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 30 Aug 96 22:52:56 EDT "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> writes: > > >I'm headed out the weekend but why am I getting all these failed >mail > >messages today from glass@bungi.com? > >No idea. The mystery of science and technology? I just dump 'em and >keep on >reading the good ones. Hope you had a nice weekend. > >Albert > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Hi, everybody! I'm getting all these crazy messages too... Does anybody knows what's going on? Hey! Enjoy the weekend...and please, be carefull while on the streets... there is a lot of crazy people out there. Take care, everybody... Magry. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 31 05:37:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwpIb-0000Dva; Sat, 31 Aug 96 05:37 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Replies to the list Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 06:34:17 -0600 Message-ID: <199608311234.GAA01370@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I get some of those from other people, also some messages have a bunch of computor gobbeldyggook underneath the glass bungi messages at the bottom... Also Steven Steele... I tried to answer you privately and it got bounced back!!! Meg At 07:11 AM 30/08/1996 -0700, you wrote: >Is anyone else having trouble with sending their replies to the list? I >sent one back to Mark from Emerald Rainbow and one regarding Retailers in LA >and when it came back to me all that was there was the header and NO text. >Kay > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 31 07:34:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uwr88-0000K2a; Sat, 31 Aug 96 07:34 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: failed mail messages Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:34:31 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I'm getting all these crazy messages too... Does anybody knows what's > going on? Hey! Enjoy the weekend...and please, be carefull while on > the streets... there is a lot of crazy people out there. This is exactly what happens when someone's mail starts bouncing. I have removed them from the list. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass