From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 01:12:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uae59-0000Dfa; Mon, 1 Jul 96 01:11 PDT X-Path: mbay.net!drno From: "Joseph D. Noble" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Some frustrations solved... Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <199607010811.BAA07450@otter.mbay.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, I recommend a Weller W100P. It is a good all around iron and should serve you well in either lead came or copper foil. I use one myself and find it most accomodating. Good luck. They run about 45-60 dollars (U.S.). >Now, my most recent frustration -- my soldering iron is just awful. >When I took my original class last year this iron was included with the >cost of the course. We were told that if we decided to continue on in >stained glass that we would probably require a better iron... this one >was very cheap and good only for a beginner. Well, my solder will just >not stay on the tip. We filed the tip and the solder stuck for about a >five minute period of usage, but then oxidized again and became useless >again. So, now I need to purchase a new soldering iron. I am only a >casual hobbiest so don't want to spend major money on it, but I do want >one that will have long life and replaceable tips (my current iron is >cheap cheap cheap and the tip is permanent). What should I be looking >for? Any brand suggestions??? > >Julie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > DR NO Monterey, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 01:19:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uaeBx-0000Q0a; Mon, 1 Jul 96 01:18 PDT X-Path: mbay.net!drno From: "Joseph D. Noble" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Guild "Grows Up" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:18:52 -0700 Message-ID: <199607010818.BAA07531@otter.mbay.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well Albert, I would be interested in a copy of one of these files. Will send you the info. Thanks for the offer. >Then I spent the day yesterday putting together an information piece about the >Guild that will replace the sebbenty-lebben pages that previously have been >stuffed into a single envelope and mailed to inquiring minds at 55 cents US >postage. This 11x17 will fold down to 5.5x8.5 and mail without an envelope, >thus saving me a lot of work printing and folding individual pages, as well as >saving the cost of the envelope and reducing the postage to 32c. It's a 39Mb >file, though, what will all the photos included in it, so it takes a couple of >hours to print out the negatives. If you'd like information about the Guild, >email me your street address and I'll put one of these in the mail sometime next >week as soon as it's off the press. > __________________________________________ > Albert Lewis Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. > __________________________________________ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > DR NO Monterey, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 08:23:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uakoQ-0000GOa; Mon, 1 Jul 96 08:22 PDT X-Path: Augustana.edu!SWSEAHOLM From: "Jill Seaholm" To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: Advice about the gold/brass-look Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:22:07 CST Message-ID: <1996Jul1.16227.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL Precedence: bulk Ok, I'm thinking about glass for a couple of panels and want to achieve the look I've often seen where some of the pieces are a shiny gold-color. I toured a Frank Lloyd Wright home last weekend and saw some there. They wouldn't let me get close enough to check it out, but it looked like light amber GNA mirror, which I've used before. My question is: how do I get it to look like that on both sides? Mirror is a blah gray on the back. I could laminate two pieces of amber mirror back-to-back, but I don't want that extra thickness there. Is there some kind of brass sheeting that's used for that? I suppose I could cut some thin brass banding (the pieces are small), but will it tarnish right away? If all else fails, I may use some iridescent amber or some ($$$$$$$$) dichroic. Any suggestions are appreciated. Jill Jill Seaholm, (Genealogical) Researcher Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center Augustana College 639 38th St Rock Island IL 61201-2273 USA swseaholm@augustana.edu http://viking.augustana.edu/admin/swenson/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 11:15:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uanVQ-0000Uja; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:15 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Alter Kucker Date: 01 Jul 96 14:13:57 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul1.181357.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I defined it back a while ago, but some people may have missed it. "Alter" is of course "old." It means an old lecherous, played-out, unwilling-to- and perhaps unable-to-participate man. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 11:48:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uao0H-0000IAa; Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:47 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@BUNGI.COM, GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Advice about the gold/brass-look Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: <199607011844.NAA03955@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:22 AM 7/1/96 CST, Jill Seaholm wrote: >Ok, I'm thinking about glass for a couple of panels and want to >achieve the look I've often seen where some of the pieces are a shiny >gold-color. I toured a Frank Lloyd Wright home last weekend and saw >some there. They wouldn't let me get close enough to check it out, >but it looked like light amber GNA mirror, which I've used before. > >My question is: how do I get it to look like that on both sides? >Mirror is a blah gray on the back. I could laminate two pieces of >amber mirror back-to-back, but I don't want that extra thickness >there. Is there some kind of brass sheeting that's used for that? I >suppose I could cut some thin brass banding (the pieces are small), >but will it tarnish right away? If all else fails, I may use some >iridescent amber or some ($$$$$$$$) dichroic. Any suggestions are >appreciated. > >Jill > >Jill Seaholm, (Genealogical) Researcher >Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center >Augustana College >639 38th St >Rock Island IL 61201-2273 >USA > >swseaholm@augustana.edu > >http://viking.augustana.edu/admin/swenson/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > To the best of my recollection the answer is gold leaf applied to one side each of two pieces of extra thin clear glass *slide glass* I believe, then sandwiched with leaf side out to be reflective from both sides, of couse this approach will make the finish vulnerable. If reflective on one side only, then leaf only one piece and sandwhich with leaf side in the non-reflective side will look grey because the leaf is so thin that you can almost see through it The thickness will approximate your other glass, your library will have info on how to apply the leaf, which is available from several sources maybe a big frame shop in your area. Good Luck! Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 19:20:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uav3o-0000i9a; Mon, 1 Jul 96 19:19 PDT X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Guild "Grows Up" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:19:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul1.181914.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-06-28 12:01:55 EDT, you write: << Also, whenever I receive an e-mail from you, most all of the text is "struck-through". It is still legible, but yours is the only one that looks this way. Is it a problem at you end or mine?? >> Michael, It's not just you. I recieve it the same way. Janet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 20:24:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uaw4C-000021a; Mon, 1 Jul 96 20:23 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Strike throughs? Re: The Guild "Grows Up" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul1.192322.0> References: <<1996Jul1.181914.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For what it's worth, all the Guild mail comes through perfectly on netaxs. Mary On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 IMN2GLASS@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-06-28 12:01:55 EDT, you write: > > << Also, > whenever I receive an e-mail from you, most all of the text is > "struck-through". It is still legible, but yours is the only one that looks > this way. Is it a problem at you end or mine?? > >> > Michael, > > It's not just you. I recieve it the same way. > > Janet > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 22:44:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uayFs-0000Pwa; Mon, 1 Jul 96 22:44 PDT X-Path: spdc.ti.com!mack From: mack@spdc.ti.com (Caren Mack) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tip of the Week Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:43:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <9607020543.AA11513@epcot.spdc.ti.com> References: <<1996Jun27.2195.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Just wanted to mention this tip because I just discovered it myself, I > was always having problems with my pattern pieces disintegrating when > grinding so I used plastic laminate or mac-tac to cover my pattern before > cutting it out, cover both sides of the pattern to make it completely > waterproof, it works great! Have fun, Donna If you have access to one of these... what I have been doing is foils of my patterns. People who work in offfice areas use these for meetings. Foils are copies of either writing or drawings/graphs used on the overhead projectors. I get an exact copy of my pattern, its clear so I can use it on my light table without cutting down on my light source, and since its a stiff plastic, I don't have to worry about it getting wet. When I solder I use the original paper pattern. I can later turn around and with a white sheet of paper behind my foil, make a new xerox copy if I need it. Works for me! Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 03:26:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ub2ea-0000Tya; Tue, 2 Jul 96 03:25 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Strikeouts and slashes Date: 02 Jul 96 06:24:28 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul2.102428.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Janet How odd, this "struck-through" thing. Obviously, it's not consistent ... but I'll check on it by asking in the proper (or apparently appropriate) forums on CompuServe. Thanks for pointing it out. If I understand "struck-through" clearly, it's just as though I were using a word processor and and keyed it in a way that draws a line horizontally through the words? ----- Or does each letter have a slash through it? /// The inconsistency of it is puzzling, too. Hmm. Hey, waitaminnit! Both of you who say the type is struck through are receiving at AOL ... while Mary's getting the text clear and she's *not at AOL. Janet, could you and Matt check out this question with AOL customer service? S'funny, though, that *my messages would be the only ones with strikeouts (Albert grows paranoid); I assume you receive messages from the internet (or at least bungi.com!) otherwise ... and with*out strikethroughs. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 06:18:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ub5LR-0000MGa; Tue, 2 Jul 96 06:18 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Advice about the gold/brass-look Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 09:20:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul2.22041.0> References: <<1996Jul1.16227.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Jill Seaholm wrote: > > Ok, I'm thinking about glass for a couple of panels and want to > achieve the look I've often seen where some of the pieces are a shiny > gold-color. I toured a Frank Lloyd Wright home last weekend and saw > some there. That is probably "gold for glass" a product now sold by ceramic suppliers as well as some glass suppliers. I think it is made by Hanovia. It's a rose-colored paint that is fired on @ 1200 F. (don't quote me on the temp). I did a restoration of a house full of FLW. There was a lustre used in the windows also made by Hanovia. Check it out. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 06:22:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ub5Ou-0000era; Tue, 2 Jul 96 06:21 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Advice about the gold/brass-look Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 09:24:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul2.22421.0> References: <<1996Jul1.16227.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Jill Seaholm wrote: > > Ok, I'm thinking about glass for a couple of panels and want to > achieve the look I've often seen where some of the pieces are a shiny > gold-color. I toured a Frank Lloyd Wright home last weekend and saw > some there. That was "Gold for Glass" a product made by Hanovia, a ceramic supply mfg. You can find through some glass suppliers. I did a houseful of FLW's windows. There was gold as well as a lustre (also hanovia) on various types of glass. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 07:04:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ub638-0000XKa; Tue, 2 Jul 96 07:03 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Guild "Grows Up" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 08:49:48 PST Message-ID: <1996Jul2.164948.0> References: <<1996Jul1.181914.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm not sure what struck thru means exactly. I'm new at this, so if you can help me I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 13:52:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubCPz-0000PKa; Tue, 2 Jul 96 13:51 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Gold leaf, etc. Date: 02 Jul 96 16:50:08 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul2.20508.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >To the best of my recollection the answer is gold leaf applied to one side >each of two pieces of extra thin clear glass *slide glass* I believe, then >sandwiched with leaf side out to be reflective from both sides, of couse >this approach will make the finish vulnerable. FLLW's craftspeople *did use gold leaf and, because it's reflective on *both sides, your suggestion is right on the mark, Len. Neither the gold nor the lustres on FLLW windows was the result of using Hanovia (nor any other hobby supplier) products. The lustres were created during the manufacture of the glass itself ... and many of the current small glass producers -- Uroboros, Bullseye, and so on -- intentially try to reproduce the kinds (and surfaces) of glass used by FLLW and Tiffany. There's a book on the application techniques for gold leaf ... Signs of the Times Publishing? ST Publishing? Something like that. Hmm. Lemee see: No, couldn't find it, but these people might have it: Obron Atlantic Corporation, 74 Trinity Place, New York NY 10006. Phone: (800) 322-0323. Fax: (212) 608-4245. Suppliers of gold leaf, gold bronze powders, gilding supplies. And I notice that Norm Dobbins offers a gold-leafing seminar: Professional Glass Consultants, 2442 Cerrillos Road, Suite 350, Santa Fe NM 87501. Phone: (505) 473-9203. Fax: (505) 983-3302. An advanced seminar is also available twice a year that teaches coloring techniques for etching, gold leaf application, and advanced carving and shading techniques. Hope this helps. __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 18:44:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubGyy-0000SNa; Tue, 2 Jul 96 18:43 PDT X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com, 70544.3642@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Strikeouts and slashes Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:43:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul2.174334.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-07-02 06:26:58 EDT, you write: << How odd, this "struck-through" thing. Obviously, it's not consistent ... but I'll check on it by asking in the proper (or apparently appropriate) forums on CompuServe. Thanks for pointing it out. If I understand "struck-through" clearly, it's just as though I were using a word processor and and keyed it in a way that draws a line horizontally through the words? ----- Or does each letter have a slash through it? /// >> Albert, The last mail I got was the only one that ever showed up that way. The one that I had problems with had horizontal lines through the words. ---- Here's a thought. AOL has just been upgraded. Maybe they had problems with the change? The mail I got from you today was fine though, so maybe the problem is solved. I will let you know if I see it again. Maybe I'll try to forward the e-mail to you to see if you get it back the same way I recieved it. That way you'd know exactly what we're talking about. My mother is also on compuserve, and I've never recieved mail like this from her. Maybe you should be paranoid! On another note. Has anyone ever met Caroline Kyle? I swear I think she's just a bit sadistic. I've done many of her designs, and I just love them. Some of the inside curves, though, are real killers!!! I guess that's what makes them soooooo awsome though. :-) Janet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 21:20:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubJPw-000030a; Tue, 2 Jul 96 21:19 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 00:22:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul2.172223.0> References: <<1996Jul2.20508.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis [IGGA] wrote: > FLLW's craftspeople *did use gold leaf and, because it's reflective on *both > sides, your suggestion is right on the mark, Len. Neither the gold nor the > lustres on FLLW windows was the result of using Hanovia (nor any other hobby > supplier) products. In defense of my suggestion re: Hanovia. The results obtained were approved by the restoration "experts" overseeing the work. I was ignorant of the possibility that "Gold Leaf' was used. Like I said, the results were excellent. Perhaps we were fooled by the fact that Hanovia was in business at the time. Supplying "Hobbyists", no doubt. Maybe the owners budget was in a crunch and they didn't mention the gold leaf. The cost of the "Gold for Glass" was minimal ($13.00 in 1988). > The lustres were created during the manufacture of the > glass itself ... and many of the current small glass producers -- Uroboros, > Bullseye, and so on -- intentially try to reproduce the kinds (and surfaces) of > glass used by FLLW and Tiffany. You are right again. BUT. In 1988 it was difficult to find sheet stock of lustred glass. This job needed only a small quantity of white opal (1 Sq. Ft.) with an orange/amber iridescent lustre. I was astounded by the match in color and finish when compared to a "Hanovia" sample. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 02:38:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubONJ-0000YKa; Wed, 3 Jul 96 02:37 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Carolyn Kyle Date: 03 Jul 96 05:34:40 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul3.93440.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sure, I've met Carolyn Kyle. Just possibly one of the nicest people on the face of God's Green Earth. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 02:38:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubONJ-0000NXa; Wed, 3 Jul 96 02:37 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Guild Membership Date: 03 Jul 96 05:34:42 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul3.93442.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to bother everyone here with an attempt to straighten out what was a private communication, but Mo Doornberg (mdoornberg@netci.com) read about us here on bungi.com and asked the other day, "I would like information about joining your guild. I have over 12 years experience as a leaded glass specialist," ... and, of course, we responded with a request for a street address to send off a package of info. Unfortunately, some sort of glitch made our email reply "undeliverable" at the address given, so Mo -- if you read this -- please try again. Is the address above correct as it came in here? Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 09:59:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubVGW-0000IIa; Wed, 3 Jul 96 09:59 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: <199607031656.LAA05538@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mickey, So many ambiguities so little time... is it a repair.. a restoration.. or museum quality conservation? How much money should realistically be invested in any given window? Ultra-finnickyites like Julie Sloan & Co. have sent ripples through the biz that are still being felt today. There is much to be said for many of the resto techniques and repro glass that have been developed over the last few years, and certainly the trend towards re-leads and other techniques that have been *mainstreamed*, has helped keep people working. Sometimes just pushing out the bulges, some new braces, a quicky mud job and a few *dutchmen* here and there is all that it takes to keep the *usual windows* in a country church going for another 20-30 years at a reasonable cost. Other times you JUST HAVE TO fly a guy to germany for a months research trying to determine the kind of bristles that were used on the brush that the eyeballs on a head were painted with!!! ;) In my humble opinion.... one does the best work one is capable of based on the funding available for a project, while still making a fair profit. If the budget allows for extensive research and the use of authentic materials then by all means we should feel obligated, as artisans, to persue that route :) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 10:27:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubVhM-00001la; Wed, 3 Jul 96 10:26 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Holidays Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:26:37 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I will be leaving on holidays July 6 - Aug 5 Any subscription changes will have to wait until I'm back. I may be on the computer occassionally to do some work, but no guarantees. Have a nice summer! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 16:33:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubbPp-0000Eaa; Wed, 3 Jul 96 16:33 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: 03 Jul 96 19:30:38 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul3.233038.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I was astounded by the match in >color and finish when compared to a "Hanovia" sample. I'm amazed myself at the results achieved so quickly by many of the current crop of flat glass producers. They set out 25-odd years ago to replicate the old glasses and did so admirably, I think. Same thing goes for some of the craftspeople these days: excellent reproductions of antique lamps that are sometimes are passed off (by unscrupulous dealers, of course, not by the craftspeople) as originals. One highly successful lamp reproducer told me that even though he casts his own name into the bases, he still sometimes finds the lamps at (pricey) auctions identified as "originals," his nameplate having been ground away. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 18:06:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubcrU-0000T3a; Wed, 3 Jul 96 18:05 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Holidays Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:51:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199607040113.CAA32592@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, Me, for one, wish you a real wonderful, great, restorative holiday! You have certainly deserved it!! Many Thanks for your massive work for the Group, all quietly behind the scenes. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 19:35:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubeFr-00004Wa; Wed, 3 Jul 96 19:34 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Tinning Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 19:43:47 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960704014347.00698d84@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well gang..call me naive but what exactly do you do to "tin" you iron?? When I am soldering I always clean off the tip w/ 0000 steel wool. What is the process you would use to use that Sal Amoniac?? Would I just use that every time instead of the 0000 steel wool?? Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 04:40:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubmlR-0000PAa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 04:40 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Holidays Date: 04 Jul 96 07:37:21 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul4.113721.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, Wow ... a month! How nice. I wish sometimes I weren't such a workaholic and that I could just *do that: take time off. Yet here it is, the Fourth of July, and I'm planning on going into the office to finish up the last two issues of Common Ground: Glass as web pages to install on bungi.com! Julie and I have slated a week in Maine in early September, but in a way I dread those vacation mornings, because I typically rise at 4:30am and that's a problem when one is on vacation. Usually, the coffee shop (if there is one) doesn't open 'til 7 or 8, and I'm too polite to shower or make coffee (we always take along our portable caffeine-infusion-jumpstart equipment) while Julie's still sleeping, so I creep around and pine for home/shower/ downstairs/coffee+Times and am always very glad to get back to work. Whattayagonnado? I'm hopeless. Anyway, watch for 8 issues of CG:G on your site later today or tomorrow ... I think they're rather nice: GIFs of only the covers, all of the articles hotlinked to the table of contents (TOFCs) of each issue (which is where the GIFs appear) and all of the TOFCs linked to the index.html -- very simple, but a lot of information: about 80 or so articles, some dated, most of them timeless. The ninth issue is currently on press and hasn't been seen by the members yet, so we'll probably wait 60-90 days before putting it up online (there has to be *some advantage to membership, apart from the photos in the print version). Much thanks to you and Dave for providing the space and access to the Guild to make all of this information available on your site. It's a much- appreciated generosity on your part and we won't fail to mention your very open-handed/hearted welcome to these materials. We hope they're helpful, useful, encouraging and stimulating for everyone who works with glass as an art or craft medium. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 06:17:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uboH3-0000DUa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 06:16 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tinning Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 09:15:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul4.51550.0> References: <<2.2.32.19960704014347.00698d84@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorley L. Oneyear wrote: > > Well gang..call me naive but what exactly do you do to "tin" you > iron?? When I am soldering I always clean off the tip w/ 0000 steel wool. > What is the process you would use to use that Sal Amoniac?? Would I just > use that every time instead of the 0000 steel wool?? > > Lorley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no steel wool is fine as a cleaner, but to tin the tip you use sal amoniac. rub the iron across the block (it acts like a flux) then apply some solder on the tip, let it sit there for about a minute, then wipe it off (usasally done with a wet sponge). then repeat. do this every so often when the iron seems slugish. it's not needed everytime you use the iron, you'll just end up with a face full of smoke. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 06:37:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uboaJ-0000R9a; Thu, 4 Jul 96 06:36 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tinning Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:37:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9607041337.AA18823@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<2.2.32.19960704014347.00698d84@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Well gang..call me naive but what exactly do you do to "tin" you > iron?? When I am soldering I always clean off the tip w/ 0000 steel wool. > What is the process you would use to use that Sal Amoniac?? Would I just > use that every time instead of the 0000 steel wool?? Hmm. As far as I know, the idea behind tinning an iron is to help ensure good heat transfer from the iron to the thing you're soldering; usually you apply solder (tin/lead, hence the term "tinning") to the (hot!) clean bit to coat the parts of it that may come into contact with solder - I guess the idea is that if you have a layer of solder, then other solder should flow into it and provide good thermal contact when it melts; the layer probably protects the original bit surface, too. Over time, crud builds up, and the surface oxidises or whatever, so that molten solder no longer flows cleanly into contact with the bit - which means that heat isn't transferred as fast any more, you can't pull solder along as easily, and you need to clean the bit and retin it to replace the protective layer. Using steel wool may not be an ideal way to clean bits - I think at least some soldering iron bits are iron coated copper - the copper for good heat conduction, and the iron to protect the copper from the solder - if you break through the iron layer, the solder may eventually eat away at the copper. -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 07:06:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubp2a-0000ERa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 07:05 PDT X-Path: pe.net!garner From: Mike Garner To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Which side is front? Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 06:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul3.235217.0> References: <<9607041337.AA18823@crosfield.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is most likely a basic question that I should have known a long time ago but here it goes. In most cases which side of glass in SG should be in the front, the textured side or the smooth side? I have been told to place the glass the way you like it and I agree with that to a large extent but I was wondering what's the general rule. Thanks for any input. Mike in Corona, CA ___________________________________ Some of my glass work is located at http://www.pe.net/~garner garner@pe.net ___________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 08:03:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubpwB-0000DQa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 08:03 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Which side is front? Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:00:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199607041500.KAA19752@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 06:52 AM 7/4/96 -0700, Mike Garner wrote: >This is most likely a basic question that I should have known a long >time ago but here it goes. In most cases which side of glass in SG >should be in the front, the textured side or the smooth side? I have >been told to place the glass the way you like it and I agree with that to >a large extent but I was wondering what's the general rule. Thanks for >any input. > Mike in Corona, CA > ___________________________________ > Some of my glass work is located at > http://www.pe.net/~garner > garner@pe.net > ___________________________________ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Seek not the answer, seek only to understand the question ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 08:06:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubpyG-0000Q2a; Thu, 4 Jul 96 08:05 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Holidays Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:05:25 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Wow ... a month! How nice. I wish sometimes I weren't such a workaholic and > that I could just *do that: take time off. My husband and I are originally from Alberta Canada. We have a lot of family still there to visit. I won't be relaxing much but it will be great to see everyone again. You're welcome for everything....it's been a real pleasure. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 10:59:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubsfN-0000cza; Thu, 4 Jul 96 10:58 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: which side Date: Thu, 04 Jul 96 11:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <199607041758.KAA19842@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Being a lamp maker, I put the rough side of the glass towards the light source (bulb). When I do the rare window, I put the rough side tothe light source(outside). If one wants a texture contrast such as the underside of a flower or a leaf, reverse the glass side to show a difference...works for me! -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ http://www.teleport.com/~weaver51 Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 11:31:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubtAf-0000gqa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 11:30 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 14:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul4.7332.0> References: <<199607031656.LAA05538@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > Mickey, > > So many ambiguities so little time... is it a repair.. a restoration.. or > museum quality conservation? How much money should realistically be > invested in any given window? Ultra-finnickyites like Julie Sloan & Co. > have sent ripples through the biz that are still being felt today. There is > much to be said for many of the resto techniques and repro glass that have > been developed over the last few years, and certainly the trend towards > re-leads and other techniques that have been *mainstreamed*, has helped keep > people working. > The job in question was the Meyer May House. It's restoration was museum quality, funded by Steelcase. I would like to confirm Arthur's statement about gold leaf and lustres. Perhaps it was a provincial thing. It seems to me that gold leaf would not be durable enough to be glazed to the outside of a window. There are windows w/ gold pieces that have clear glass on both sides. It's likely that gold leaf was used. In the "Meyer May" windows it seemed that the gold on the opalescent glass was fired on. Some pieces that were removed from the windows had "gold" over the edge. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 13:56:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubvRL-0000N9a; Thu, 4 Jul 96 13:55 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: <199607042052.PAA23425@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 14:55:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubwMH-0000ipa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 14:54 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:51:44 -0500 Message-ID: <199607042151.QAA24327@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 15:43:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubx79-0000HKa; Thu, 4 Jul 96 15:43 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Which side is front? Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 18:42:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul4.14425.0> References: <<1996Jul3.235217.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Garner wrote: > > This is most likely a basic question that I should have known a long > time ago but here it goes. In most cases which side of glass in SG > should be in the front, the textured side or the smooth side? I have > been told to place the glass the way you like it and I agree with that to > a large extent but I was wondering what's the general rule. Thanks for > any input. > Mike in Corona, CA > ___________________________________ > Some of my glass work is located at > http://www.pe.net/~garner > garner@pe.net > ___________________________________ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass texture is up to you, it all depends on what your trying to achieve. on many of tiffany's pieces, texture was put on the front, thou some of it was on the back too. another thing is the reflected light, when you look at the reflected light coming off the panel, texture may help. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 17:06:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ubyP5-0000ija; Thu, 4 Jul 96 17:05 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:02:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199607050002.TAA25861@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Fri Jul 5 14:50:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucIjx-0000ELa; Fri, 5 Jul 96 14:48 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: which side Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:34:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199607052157.WAA14899@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Being a leaded panel maker myself, I was always taught to put the more textured side "indoors"-side, as it would accumulate less dirt, weathering, polluting acids and be less "eaten away". Although this is a trend I tend to follow, I do occasionally "sin", when I want special effects. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 06:39:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucXYb-0000DNa; Sat, 6 Jul 96 06:37 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Vicki Payne Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 06:46:48 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960706124648.006898b4@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The Vicki Payne videos seem on the expensive side to me. I have checked my local library and they are unable to find any copies that would be avail via the library system. I do have one more library to check w/ though. Has any one out there had luck reserving copies thru your library?? Is there any place that I might be able to get copies of some of her TV shows? When I moved last year I didn't have a TV for 6 months but now that I do have a TV I can't get the VCR to tape her shows. (I'm TV/VCR challenged!) I don't have cable but am able to get the show on our state educational channel. Oh well, at least my VCR isn't blinkin "12:00" all the time. Guess a step at a time. Thanks..Lorley in Arizona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 09:50:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucaXT-00001ra; Sat, 6 Jul 96 09:48 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Subject: Vicki Payne videos Date: 06 Jul 96 12:05:58 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul6.16558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Vicki Payne's video tapes may be ordered through Glass Crafters Stained Glass Supply. They have two full pages of various videos to choose from. You might want to order their catalog 1-800-422-4552 (0rders) or (941) 379-8333 (customer service) and browse through it. A few of the titles: "Professional Soldering Techniques" "The Art of Cutting" "Art Glass Construction" "Let's Make Lamps" "My First Project" "Designing for Stained Glass" "Glass Art for Kids" "Lampmaking with Joe Porcelli" "Stained Glass For Beginners" "The Morton System" "Solder Magic" "Glass Etching" "Sandcarving Techniques" You can also order them directly from Vic's Crafts -1800-332-VICS or (313) 543-6563. This is a full line stained glass retail mail order catalog company featuring products manufactured by Cutters, including Foilmate, Vic's Flux, the videos, Vic's Pattern Packs and other supplies. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 11:40:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uccFq-0000Aza; Sat, 6 Jul 96 11:38 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: BlindCopyReceiver:;@compuserve,.com Subject: You're invited! Date: 06 Jul 96 14:36:26 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul6.183626.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You're invited to our new web pages on bungi.com ... we're still fine-tuning them (catching spelling errors, etc.), but we'd like to know what you think as to their helpfulness and so on. These are the first 8 issues of Common Ground: Glass, the Guild's newsletter .. about 80 articles or so from the past two years, since it began publication in 1994. Go directly to the index of issues at: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html And feel free with your comments! We welcome them. __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 14:52:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucfFp-0000I5a; Sat, 6 Jul 96 14:51 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold leaf, etc. Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:48:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199607062148.QAA16861@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 15:37:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucfwQ-00004la; Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: gold leaf etc. Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: <199607062232.RAA17339@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mickey, Icannot claim any real expertise in this area as I have not, unfortunatly, been personally associated with resto work on true FLW windows although I have repaired prairie school style windows which were mostly clear, zinc came and a smattering of little gold squares. There are quite a few houses in this area (upper mid-west) that have this type of window. Gold is amazingly mallable stuff a *deck* of gold leaf with several sheets in it weighs a mere fraction of an ounce. Even a piece of window glass is riddled with surface imperfections, a static charge is given to a brush the leaf is delicately lifted with the brush, don't even breath, and then transferred to the glass along with the charge making the gold ONE with the glass, (like rubbing a balloon on your shirt and sticking it to a wall) I just kind of smoothed it in with the brush after that, it just fills the pours and stays put, a person could easily believe it was fired. Thats my personal experience with the stuff. As far as the gold on opal, I'd consult the literature or defer to Albert for the difinitive answer which is essentially doing the same thing :) FLW was a genius in many ways, but from what I gather design was far more important then durability. Just my 0.02 worth Len BTW...I wonder what one of those little gold leafs weigh....you can blow on one and it will float away like a feather!!well almost ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 17:34:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uchmd-0000D8a; Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:33 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vicki Payne videos Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:34:37 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >You can also order them directly from Vic's Crafts -1800-332-VICS or (313) >543-6563. This is a full line stained glass retail mail order catalog company >featuring products manufactured by Cutters, including Foilmate, Vic's Flux, the >videos, Vic's Pattern Packs and other supplies. That 313 area code is Detroit and I don't think she is located here in Michigan anymore. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com or 1091@nethawk.com reunited adoptee born Wilhelmina Ottilie Reuning ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 17:38:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uchqh-0000CLa; Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:37 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: bouncing Tiffany Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:38:52 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have about one hour more of soldering on a 22" lamp, went to adjust the stand that I borrowed and the lamp, complete with post, fell off onto the floor. Not a single piece of glass broke and nothing is bent or twisted. I can't believe it. I did manage to say sh** as the lamp was falling Sue @feeling very very lucky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 17:48:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uchzx-0000EHa; Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:46 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: gold leaf etc. Date: 06 Jul 96 20:44:52 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul7.04452.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Len, Just *loved your description of applying gold leaf. Perfect. I have no idea what a single leaf might weigh, but it must be pretty close to nothing. >As far as the gold on opal, I'd consult the literature or defer to Albert >for the difinitive answer which is essentially doing the same thing :) Please don't confuse me with the literature; I do have books at hand and am willing to look up and share stuff ... but it doesn't mean I'm any kind of authority personally, you know. >FLW was a genius in many ways, but from what I gather design was far more >important then durability. Just my 0.02 worth I think for Wright the vision was more important than the conception, the conception more worthwhile than the plans, the plans more valuable than the built house ... and the house itself more interesting than the clients. Which, of course, is why he didn't make any money. I tend to share his attitude, myself. But so far no band of clients has offered to set up a Foundation to underwrite me, alas. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 17:56:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uci8N-0000Fva; Sat, 6 Jul 96 17:55 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: You're invited! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 20:57:09 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >And feel free with your comments! We welcome them. > > __________________________________________ I just downloaded two issues and can't wait to read them. Many thanks for all the work you must have done to make them available to us on the net. You do and share so much with us. Thank you! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 6 19:00:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucj7l-0000Eja; Sat, 6 Jul 96 18:59 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Vicki Payne videos Date: 06 Jul 96 21:58:15 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul7.15815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >You can also order them directly from Vic's Crafts -1800-332-VICS or (313) >543-6563. This is a full line stained glass retail mail order catalog >company featuring products manufactured by Cutters, including Foilmate, >Vic's Flux, the >videos, Vic's Pattern Packs and other supplies. >That 313 area code is Detroit and I don't think she is located here in >Michigan anymore. Right you are, Sue. I checked IGGA01.TXT here in bungi.com's IGGA RESOURCES and it's Vic's Crafts, 6006B Old Pineville Road, Charlotte NC 28217 - 4110. Phone: (313) 543-6563. (800) 332-VICS [(800) 332-8427]. Go http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ for the complete list. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 11:42:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucyme-0000FPa; Sun, 7 Jul 96 11:42 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Subject: Re: Vicki Payne videos Date: 07 Jul 96 14:36:21 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul7.183621.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yea Albert...I was quoting from the IGGA source listing. You see it's got the 313 area code. Is that right or a mistake? ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 11:42:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ucymh-0000LDa; Sun, 7 Jul 96 11:42 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Subject: bouncing Tiffany Date: 07 Jul 96 14:36:23 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul7.183623.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You are VERY LUCKY. I spent 11 hours cleaning up extra solder from the inside of a 25" lamp that someone did (I'm being subcontracted out to another stained glass studio to supervise while the owner/artist gets back on her feet after a stroke). It had been sitting in flux for 1 year. Messy as can be. Very slippery. Got through with the inside and most of the outside when it slipped out of the crate stuffed with rags I was using to hold it. Broke one piece, but luckily it was on an outside edge and easy to reach. Unfortunately, it was a kiln-formed, etched and painted piece originally cut using a band saw for sharp, tiny inside curves (think spines on a cactus). After discussing problems with the owner/artist, we decided to not re-create the kiln-formed, etc. piece, but to add a solder line where the piece had broken. Not much fun, but I got through all soldering, attaching base ring, and applying patina. Now on to the inside top cap and heat ring. Lessons learned: 1) Always wash off old flux to keep slipperiness to a minimum. 2) If possible, don't work on fixing up someone else's problems. 3) Always have 3 points of contact between the lamp shade and whatever is holding it. Thank goodness my current Tiffany reproduction lamp is totally under my control. This way if I mess up I can rant and rave, and then calmly fix it. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 14:09:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud14d-0000CNa; Sun, 7 Jul 96 14:08 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Vicki Payne videos Date: 07 Jul 96 17:04:40 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul7.21440.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Yea Albert...I was quoting from the IGGA source listing. You see it's >got the 313 area code. Is that right or a mistake? Christie, The Post Office estimates that 1/3 of all Americans move each year ... and Vic's Crafts was one of them. Were you looking at *this year's Sources Guide? Hmm. I just took a look at the published, printed version and you're right: she's not in MI, but does show a 313 area code. Here's my guess on that: they never sent back the sheet we sent to them asking for corrections, but we *did get an address change from the post office ... but I'll bet the 800 number still works: (800) 332-VICS. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 14:42:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud1aD-0000M2a; Sun, 7 Jul 96 14:41 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: patina problem Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Help! I finished the 'bouncing' Tiffany today, cleaned it and then patinaed (sp) it using a brand new bottle of black for solder. Everything looks great except the cap. That looks like it was buried in the ground and rotted/rusted for 5-10 years. It looks absolutely awful. What do I do now and what did I do wrong so that I don't do it again??? Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com or 1091@nethawk.com reunited adoptee born Wilhelmina Ottilie Reuning ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 15:27:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud2II-0000N9a; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:27 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 18:25:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul7.142554.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue Eiszler wrote: > > Help! > I finished the 'bouncing' Tiffany today, cleaned it and then > patinaed (sp) it using a brand new bottle of black for solder. Everything > looks great except the cap. That looks like it was buried in the ground > and rotted/rusted for 5-10 years. It looks absolutely awful. What do I do > now and what did I do wrong so that I don't do it again??? > > Sue > susan.eiszler@nethawk.com or 1091@nethawk.com > reunited adoptee born Wilhelmina Ottilie Reuning > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my guess is you did'nt tin it. but since it's already on the lamp, and tinning it now may make it look ugly. i would try to polish out the cap. i personally never had much luck applying patina on brass, not even with a brass darkner, so i always tin the cap first. but since i've only made 2 lamps i'm not the absolute expert on this. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 15:29:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud2KO-0000Eea; Sun, 7 Jul 96 15:29 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "glass@bungi.com" Subject: RE: Vicki Payne videos Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:25:03 -0400 Message-ID: <199607072229.SAA25194@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Christie A. Wood > To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Vicki Payne videos > Date: Sunday, July 07, 1996 2:36 PM > > Yea Albert...I was quoting from the IGGA source listing. You see it's got the > 313 area code. Is that right or a mistake? > ...Christie > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > If Vic's Crafts phone number is for the Charlotte address, the correct area code is 704. Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 16:30:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud3Gp-0000JUa; Sun, 7 Jul 96 16:29 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Vicki Payne videos Date: 07 Jul 96 19:27:49 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul7.232749.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks, Karl, but I think they moved and *didn't give us their new address/phone and didn't respond to a request for same. The only way we knew that they moved was that the post office returned mail we'd sent to them, but stuck on one of those yellow stickers with their new address. So the phone's the MI phone, as far as we know. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 17:43:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud4Q2-0000F1a; Sun, 7 Jul 96 17:43 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: <199607080048.UAA04104@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sue, I dont know what material the cap is, but assuming it is cast brass-you can polish all the way thru the rotten looking patina-use large buffing wheel- or dremel with appropriate polishing wheel-clean well-then flux and tin. then reapply patina and it should look fine. ( I am also a Jeweler) I think maybe you did not tin the piece to start with. Hope this helps ( and you have or can borrow the right tools). I have had no problem with brass attachments because I always tin them before trying to apply patina. Good luck Lee Boe leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) >Help! > I finished the 'bouncing' Tiffany today, cleaned it and then >patinaed (sp) it using a brand new bottle of black for solder. Everything >looks great except the cap. That looks like it was buried in the ground >and rotted/rusted for 5-10 years. It looks absolutely awful. What do I do >now and what did I do wrong so that I don't do it again??? > >Sue >susan.eiszler@nethawk.com or 1091@nethawk.com >reunited adoptee born Wilhelmina Ottilie Reuning ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 18:32:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud5BG-0000Dja; Sun, 7 Jul 96 18:32 PDT X-Path: pe.net!garner From: Mike Garner To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Which side is front? Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 18:19:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul7.111920.0> References: <<1996Jul4.14425.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > Mike Garner wrote: > > > > This is most likely a basic question that I should have known a long > > time ago but here it goes. In most cases which side of glass in SG > > should be in the front, the textured side or the smooth side? I have > > been told to place the glass the way you like it and I agree with that to > > a large extent but I was wondering what's the general rule. Thanks for > > any input. > > Mike in Corona, CA > > ___________________________________ > > Some of my glass work is located at > > http://www.pe.net/~garner > > garner@pe.net > > ___________________________________ > >Thanks for the input. I have always put the textured side the way that I liked but often wondered if there was a general rule. Mike in Corona, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 20:03:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud6al-0000N0a; Sun, 7 Jul 96 20:02 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi Sue, > >I dont know what material the cap is, but assuming it is cast brass-you can >polish all the way thru the rotten looking patina-use large buffing wheel- >or dremel with appropriate polishing wheel-clean well-then flux and tin. >then reapply patina and it should look fine. ( I am also a Jeweler) > > I think maybe you did not tin the piece to start with. Hope this helps ( >and you have or can borrow the right tools). I have had no problem with >brass attachments because I always tin them before trying to apply patina. >Good luck > >Lee Boe Hi Lee, I did tin it. Can I use steel wool in place of the equipment you have? Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 7 20:34:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ud75I-0000Oha; Sun, 7 Jul 96 20:34 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 23:39:21 -0400 Message-ID: <199607080339.XAA11331@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sue, yes, steel wool and elbow grease (lots of rubbing) will also work fine. But since you did tin it, I wonder if the original problem might be in the patina then? Try a piece of scrap brass, or small brass filigree, and tin and test it. Or if it is a brass plated top? And a bad reaction to the underlying metal what ever it may be? In any case tining before applying patina usually solves the problem. Let me know more. Lee Boe leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) >Hi Lee, > I did tin it. Can I use steel wool in place of the equipment you have? > >Sue >susan.eiszler@nethawk.com >1091@nethawk.com > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 05:23:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udFKz-0000Coa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 05:22 PDT X-Path: stained-glass.com!webmaster From: Matt McDonnell To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re-Silvering Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 08:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul8.4223.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: T & M Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Does anybody know of a company that re-silvers mirrors? Matt McDonnell -- T & M Stained Glass - http://www.stained-glass.com Future home of the Stained Glass Marketplace Visit soon, visit often. send inquiries to mailto:webmaster@stained-glass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 05:47:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udFir-0000Uba; Mon, 8 Jul 96 05:47 PDT X-Path: aol.com!GCmagazine From: GCmagazine@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vicki Payne Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul8.44829.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Lorley, The Glass Library 1-800-786-8720 or (215)860-9947 carries Vicki's videos. You can also take a look at our full line of books and videos at the Artglassworld web site at http://www.artglassworld.com. Go to their SUPPLIES listing and look under BOOKS. Hope we can help. Sincerely, gcmagazine@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 06:27:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udGKm-0000YQa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 06:26 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re-Silvering Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:27:08 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9607081327.AA02230@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Jul8.4223.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Does anybody know of a company that re-silvers mirrors? > You might be able to find one listed in an astronomy magazine - many (most?) telescopes use front-surface mirrors that benefit from recoating after several years; they're usually aluminised rather than silvered, since front-surface aluminised mirrors have a longer life than silvered ones (unless you're in a salty environment). Even if they can't help directly, (I don't know if they handle normal mirrors) they may know someone who can. -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 07:34:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udHNP-0000Eya; Mon, 8 Jul 96 07:33 PDT X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vicki Payne Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul8.63430.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FYI: here are the phone and fax numbers (in Charlotte, N.C.) for Cutters Productions (Vicki Payne's company): phone: 704/522-9900 fax: 704/522-9925 Any Michigan numbers are obsolete. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 09:03:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udIl5-0000Z6a; Mon, 8 Jul 96 09:01 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Lee Boe Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 08:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul8.1599.0> References: <<199607080048.UAA04104@tesla.netline.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee. I have a real problem with tinning a beautiful bronze cap on lamps. I guess my problem is that it doesn't hurt me to see a brass cap on an otherwise patinaed lamp. P. Johnsen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 09:23:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udJ4r-0000bMa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 09:22 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re-Silvering Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 11:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <199607081619.LAA07273@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:22 AM 7/8/96 -0400, Matt McDonnell wrote: >Does anybody know of a company that re-silvers mirrors? > >Matt McDonnell >-- > T & M Stained Glass - http://www.stained-glass.com > Future home of the Stained Glass Marketplace > Visit soon, visit often. >send inquiries to mailto:webmaster@stained-glass.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Try.... http://www.luminet.net/mktplace/mirror-resilver This shop is in my area, I've never used his services so I will not comment on quality of work Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 14:38:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udNzV-0000jEa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 14:37 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:38:50 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A guy who makes a lot of lamps says that he always paints the cap with flat black paint as he always gets the same reaction that I did with the black patina on the brass. It sounds awfully drastic and not too attractive. Has anyone ever tried this? Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 15:12:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udOUs-0000LJa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 15:09 PDT X-Path: NEONSOFT.COM!KWICKEN From: Kristal Wick To: glass@bungi.com Subject: patena Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 17:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul8.125929.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: New Era Of Networks,IncEON Precedence: bulk Sue, I have the same problem with a tinned and patena-ed cap looking old and ugly. I have spoken to a few folks about this problem and they said a lot of the caps are electroplated. It looks great but is really expensive. I'm glad you aksed this question and am enjoying all the answers. Colorado Kristal ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 15:30:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udOmj-0000Iha; Mon, 8 Jul 96 15:28 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re-Silvering Date: 08 Jul 96 18:04:08 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul8.2248.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Does anybody know of a company that re-silvers mirrors? I was under the impression that any commercial glass shop did that ... but then I've been accused of being an old fogy who doesn't know everything (by my 14-year-old, primarily). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 15:31:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udOmh-0000dKa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 15:28 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Vicki Payne Date: 08 Jul 96 18:04:04 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul8.2244.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the corrected phone numbers, Scott. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 16:20:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udPbH-0000GOa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 16:20 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: bouncing Tiffany Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul8.91738.0> References: <<1996Jul7.183623.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk red cap. Don't remember the name but something like 3-26 on the label. (If you are wondering how this message is composed, start at the next paragraph and then come back to this section). I got interrupted with a letter and can't seem to find my way back to the right spot. P. Johnsen. Christie. You indicated the lamp you completed has been "sitting in flux for over a year." How on earth did you get solder to flow. It surely must have be corroded? Also, do you or anyone else know of a flux that is good for oxidized zinc and lead? I came across a German flux some years ago that was excellent. It came in a royal blue 3-4 oz. container with a ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 18:05:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udREL-0000N7a; Mon, 8 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re-Silvering Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:06:22 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I was under the impression that any commercial glass shop did that ... but then >I've been accused of being an old fogy who doesn't know everything (by my >14-year-old, primarily). My twins are 21 and just beginning to think we might have a few brains and not have been born with the dinosaurs. Hang in there . Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 19:04:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udSA1-0000h2a; Mon, 8 Jul 96 19:04 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: patina problem Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:04:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199607090204.VAA25163@mail.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >A guy who makes a lot of lamps says that he always paints the cap with flat >black paint as he always gets the same reaction that I did with the black >patina on the brass. It sounds awfully drastic and not too attractive. >Has anyone ever tried this? > > >Sue I have done this. I think it turned out very nice. I did have a problem, I had to do a repair job and re-soder the cap to the lamp and therefore had to re-paint. Another thought is it doesn't look as authenic as a cap that has been tinned and patina applied. Tinning it is not an easy job either. I had to use a torch to heat the brass cap enough for the soder to adhere on another shade I did. I am interested in hearing anyone elses thoughts on this. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 19:31:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udSZR-0000eja; Mon, 8 Jul 96 19:30 PDT X-Path: prodigy.com!XLBR14A From: XLBR14A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT A SIGMON) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re-Silvering Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:15:08, -0500 Message-ID: <199607090215.WAA14190@mime3.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I owned a shop for resilvering mirrors for 12 years. Unfortunately, it is relatively expensive and the volume is very low. Hence, there are not many shop doing this type of work. At the time is was working out of Plymouth MI and had Antique dealers from as far away as Tenn. I still have the formulas for resilvering but without the proper equipment it would be rather dangerous. I wish that I knew of anyone still practicing the old art but alas I don't. Wish that I had better news, good luck!!! Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 19:31:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udSa8-0000ela; Mon, 8 Jul 96 19:31 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "glass@bungi.com" Subject: RE: patina Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:27:31 -0400 Message-ID: <199607090229.WAA21154@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Kristal Wick > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: patena > Date: Monday, July 08, 1996 6:59 PM > > Sue, > I have the same problem with a tinned and patena-ed cap looking > old and ugly. I have spoken to a few folks about this problem > and they said a lot of the caps are electroplated. It looks > great but is really expensive. I'm glad you aksed this question > and am enjoying all the answers. > > Colorado Kristal > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > I have only done two lamps ( started doing stained glass in Oct. 95), but had no real problems. It's true that it is hard to get the cap hot enough to tin, but what I have done is to use a 3/8" tip in my iron, turn it up to "high", the place the tip through the mounting hole and leaving it hang there with the iron vertical so the cap is resting on the iron. Just make sure that you thoroughly coat the outside of the cap with flux. When the cap is hot enough, solder will just begin to melt when held to the cap. When hot enough, slide the cap onto a piece of fluxed tracing paper, flux the cap quickly and begin to tin. Hope this helps. Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 20:15:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udTFj-0000cZa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 20:14 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re-Silvering Date: 08 Jul 96 23:12:38 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.31238.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Robert Sigmon, If its not too much trouble, I would be very interested in a description of the process of resilvering and what kind of equipment is needed to make the process safe. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety Board, IGGA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 20:45:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udTjD-0000NNa; Mon, 8 Jul 96 20:44 PDT X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Signing off for a while Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:45:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul8.194528.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I'll be signing off for a while as we are moving Friday. Off to Cape Cod for a new Coast Guard adventure. I'll probably be away for about a month, I already miss everyone. I don't know what I'll do without my glass for so long. Who would have ever thought I'd have seperation anxiety for my glass shop?! :-) Take care, Janet IMN2GLASS@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 21:00:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udTxS-0000aba; Mon, 8 Jul 96 20:59 PDT X-Path: pop01.ny.us.ibm.net!steel00 From: Steven Steele To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Re-Silvering Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 15:35:43 PDT Message-ID: <1996Jul6.223543.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Does anybody know of a company that re-silvers mirrors? > >Matt McDonnell >-- Brier Patch Glass Works, Lubbock and Amarillo, TX. 800-261-8288 I have not used their resilvering services but Jody Wilhite has been very helpful to me as a beginer in glass. She is nice people and this is the kind of "local retailer" that I love to support. She and her husband run the shops and seem to have a lot of personal pride in what they do. The stuff she has hanging around the shop looks very good to me but as I said, I am just starting so it all looks nice. If you do decide to call, mention that you saw it on this group. Jody is a little computer shy and I would love it if she would realize the value of such newsgroups as this and actually fire up her modem. Steven ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 22:13:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udV5l-0000H8a; Mon, 8 Jul 96 22:12 PDT X-Path: whanganui.ac.nz!iweal From: iweal@whanganui.ac.nz (Ivan Weal) To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Re-Silvering Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:11:43 +1200 Message-ID: <199607090511.RAA07457@nethost.whanganui.ac.nz> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Robert, Having an inquisitive nature I too would enjoy hearing about resilvering... Cheers Ivan > >If its not too much trouble, I would be very interested in a description of >the process of resilvering and what kind of equipment is needed to make the >process safe. > >Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist >Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety >Board, IGGA > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Ivan Weal, NZ Post Stamps Business Unit ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 14:45:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udkZH-0000QBa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 14:43 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: patina Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:43:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199607092143.QAA05583@mail.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have only done two lamps ( started doing stained glass in Oct. 95), >but had no real problems. It's true that it is hard to get the cap hot >enough to tin, but what I have done is to use a 3/8" tip in my iron, turn >it up to "high", the place the tip through the mounting hole and leaving >it hang there with the iron vertical so the cap is resting on the iron. >Just make sure that you thoroughly coat the outside of the cap with flux. >When the cap is hot enough, solder will just begin to melt when held to >the cap. When hot enough, slide the cap onto a piece of fluxed tracing >paper, flux the cap quickly and begin to tin. Hope this helps. > > Karl It was recommended to my by the shop where I buy my glass is to use paste flux on those brass caps. It doesn't disolve and go away as fast as the liquid flux. It worked ok for me Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 16:03:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udloL-0000dla; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:03 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 17:58:40 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.215840.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA15248; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:58:04 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udkZH-0000QBa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 14:43 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: patina Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:43:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199607092143.QAA05583@mail.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have only done two lamps ( started doing stained glass in Oct. 95), >but had no real problems. It's true that it is hard to get the cap hot >enough to tin, but what I have done is to use a 3/8" tip in my iron, turn >it up to "high", the place the tip through the mounting hole and leaving >it hang there with the iron vertical so the cap is resting on the iron. >Just make sure that you thoroughly coat the outside of the cap with flux. >When the cap is hot enough, solder will just begin to melt when held to >the cap. When hot enough, slide the cap onto a piece of fluxed tracing >paper, flux the cap quickly and begin to tin. Hope this helps. > > Karl It was recommended to my by the shop where I buy my glass is to use paste flux on those brass caps. It doesn't disolve and go away as fast as the liquid flux. It worked ok for me Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 16:15:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udlzM-0000bta; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: framing a windows Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul9.151459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm a newbie to stained glass and I'm working on my second window (about 2 feet high by 3 feet wide, tulips in a vase, approximately 300 pieces). My question is about framing the thing after I'm done soldering. I originally sized it to fit into a window of our stairwell but will only have about an eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom (sides are fine) after I'm done soldering. Is there some framing material, such as zinc came, that is only an eighth of an inch thick or less that I could use? I wanted it to sit inside the window sill, not replace the glass in the window itself. No room for an oak frame. If worse comes to worst I could hang it in a different window, but I'm not ready to give up on the stairwell window yet. Any advice would be much appreciated. Chris McMurdo San Mateo, California ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 16:48:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmVA-0000bta; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:47 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:11:53 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.231153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA04118; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:11:35 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udloL-0000dla; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:03 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 17:58:40 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.215840.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA15248; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:58:04 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udkZH-0000QBa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 14:43 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: patina Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:43:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199607092143.QAA05583@mail.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have only done two lamps ( started doing stained glass in Oct. 95), >but had no real problems. It's true that it is hard to get the cap hot >enough to tin, but what I have done is to use a 3/8" tip in my iron, turn >it up to "high", the place the tip through the mounting hole and leaving >it hang there with the iron vertical so the cap is resting on the iron. >Just make sure that you thoroughly coat the outside of the cap with flux. >When the cap is hot enough, solder will just begin to melt when held to >the cap. When hot enough, slide the cap onto a piece of fluxed tracing >paper, flux the cap quickly and begin to tin. Hope this helps. > > Karl It was recommended to my by the shop where I buy my glass is to use paste flux on those brass caps. It doesn't disolve and go away as fast as the liquid flux. It worked ok for me Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 16:49:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmWT-0000jJa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:48 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:22:50 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.232250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA06390; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:22:32 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udlzM-0000bta; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: framing a windows Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul9.151459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm a newbie to stained glass and I'm working on my second window (about 2 feet high by 3 feet wide, tulips in a vase, approximately 300 pieces). My question is about framing the thing after I'm done soldering. I originally sized it to fit into a window of our stairwell but will only have about an eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom (sides are fine) after I'm done soldering. Is there some framing material, such as zinc came, that is only an eighth of an inch thick or less that I could use? I wanted it to sit inside the window sill, not replace the glass in the window itself. No room for an oak frame. If worse comes to worst I could hang it in a different window, but I'm not ready to give up on the stairwell window yet. Any advice would be much appreciated. Chris McMurdo San Mateo, California ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 17:05:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmmD-0000YRa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 17:05 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:58:17 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.235817.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA14713; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:57:47 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmWT-0000jJa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:48 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:22:50 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.232250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA06390; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:22:32 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udlzM-0000bta; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: framing a windows Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul9.151459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm a newbie to stained glass and I'm working on my second window (about 2 feet high by 3 feet wide, tulips in a vase, approximately 300 pieces). My question is about framing the thing after I'm done soldering. I originally sized it to fit into a window of our stairwell but will only have about an eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom (sides are fine) after I'm done soldering. Is there some framing material, such as zinc came, that is only an eighth of an inch thick or less that I could use? I wanted it to sit inside the window sill, not replace the glass in the window itself. No room for an oak frame. If worse comes to worst I could hang it in a different window, but I'm not ready to give up on the stairwell window yet. Any advice would be much appreciated. Chris McMurdo San Mateo, California ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 17:19:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmzF-0000XWa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 17:18 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 20:14:31 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul10.01431.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA17628; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:14:14 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmmD-0000YRa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 17:05 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:58:17 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.235817.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA14713; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:57:47 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmWT-0000jJa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:48 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:22:50 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.232250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA06390; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:22:32 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udlzM-0000bta; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: framing a windows Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul9.151459.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm a newbie to stained glass and I'm working on my second window (about 2 feet high by 3 feet wide, tulips in a vase, approximately 300 pieces). My question is about framing the thing after I'm done soldering. I originally sized it to fit into a window of our stairwell but will only have about an eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom (sides are fine) after I'm done soldering. Is there some framing material, such as zinc came, that is only an eighth of an inch thick or less that I could use? I wanted it to sit inside the window sill, not replace the glass in the window itself. No room for an oak frame. If worse comes to worst I could hang it in a different window, but I'm not ready to give up on the stairwell window yet. Any advice would be much appreciated. Chris McMurdo San Mateo, California ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 18:00:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udndR-0000Xwa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 18:00 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a windows Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:53:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199607100053.TAA29171@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:14 PM 7/9/96 -0400, TMcmurdo@aol.com wrote: >Hi! I'm a newbie to stained glass and I'm working on my second window (about >2 feet high by 3 feet wide, tulips in a vase, approximately 300 pieces). My >question is about framing the thing after I'm done soldering. I originally >sized it to fit into a window of our stairwell but will only have about an >eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom (sides >are fine) after I'm done soldering. Is there some framing material, such as >zinc came, that is only an eighth of an inch thick or less that I could use? > I wanted it to sit inside the window sill, not replace the glass in the >window itself. No room for an oak frame. If worse comes to worst I could >hang it in a different window, but I'm not ready to give up on the stairwell >window yet. > >Any advice would be much appreciated. > >Chris McMurdo >San Mateo, California >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Chris, How about some more details? What do you mean when you say the sides are fine? What type of window is the panel going in? casement, fixed etc? Is the window frame wood? Is the s.g. panel foiled or leaded? Is there any border glass or a background field that extends in from the perimeter? This info would help towards suggesting a solution. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 18:10:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udnmO-0000cGa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 18:09 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:56:12 EDT Message-ID: <960709235611_515664.456256_JHR103-61@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA14080; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:55:19 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udmVA-0000bta; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:47 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 19:11:53 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.231153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA04118; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:11:35 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udloL-0000dla; Tue, 9 Jul 96 16:03 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!POSTMASTER From: Electronic Postmaster To: Subject: Undeliverable message Summary: Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM> Date: 09 Jul 96 17:58:40 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul9.215840.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your message could not be delivered for the following reason: Mailbox 76500.1232 is currently full. Please resend your message at a later time. --- Returned message --- Sender: owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [204.119.71.2]) by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA15248; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:58:04 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udkZH-0000QBa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 14:43 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: patina Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:43:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199607092143.QAA05583@mail.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have only done two lamps ( started doing stained glass in Oct. 95), >but had no real problems. It's true that it is hard to get the cap hot >enough to tin, but what I have done is to use a 3/8" tip in my iron, turn >it up to "high", the place the tip through the mounting hole and leaving >it hang there with the iron vertical so the cap is resting on the iron. >Just make sure that you thoroughly coat the outside of the cap with flux. >When the cap is hot enough, solder will just begin to melt when held to >the cap. When hot enough, slide the cap onto a piece of fluxed tracing >paper, flux the cap quickly and begin to tin. Hope this helps. > > Karl It was recommended to my by the shop where I buy my glass is to use paste flux on those brass caps. It doesn't disolve and go away as fast as the liquid flux. It worked ok for me Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 18:10:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udnme-0000VKa; Tue, 9 Jul 96 18:09 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!pfakler From: PAUL FAKLER To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (no subject) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 19:25:42 -0700 Message-ID: <31E314A6.68A9@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 18:26:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udo2L-0000Rla; Tue, 9 Jul 96 18:25 PDT X-Path: prodigy.com!XLBR14A From: XLBR14A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT A SIGMON) To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re-Silvering Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:15:05, -0500 Message-ID: <199607100115.VAA18782@mime3.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The resilvering process that I used was an old cold pour process that equipment-wise was actually simple (depending on the size mirrors that you intended to resilver). The worst part of the process was stripping off the old paint backings and removing the old silver. This did involve minor amounts of Muratic and Nitric Acids. These were the worst chemicals that I had to deal with. I had all of the sludge empty in my "pit". At that point I had a chemist friend analyze the sludge and do his magic to neutralize the prevailing nasties. Most of the safety came in proper gear- long gloves, aprons, safety glasses, ventilation and masks as necessary. The formula included silver nitrate and ammonium hydroxide, the silver nitrate would turn you brown, the ammonia (well it was so strong that you would wear the breathing gear even if you hated it. Being a one man shop, I was never involved with OSHA or any of their regulations. I would defer to the advice of friend that were chemists in more industrial situations. It is hard for me to be specific because safety seemed to me just a matter of common sense. I am not someone that is worried about what people think if they see me in my full face breathing mask (pretty bug-like) etc...... If you have any specific questions about silvering send a message and I'll do my best to respond without writing a book. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 20:33:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udq12-0000Oua; Tue, 9 Jul 96 20:32 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: McFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re-Silvering Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 23:35:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul9.16357.0> References: <<199607100115.VAA18782@mime3.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk ROBERT A SIGMON wrote: > The formula included silver nitrate and ammonium hydroxide, the > silver nitrate would turn you brown, the ammonia (well it was so > strong that you would wear the breathing gear even if you hated it. I too did resilver mirrors at one time. I have been working on posting the recipe in my website, http://www.grfn.org/~mickey. I have the ingredients listed but i have not written the directions for use yet. I also have an early 20th century (c.1910) article not yet scanned and OCR'd. some links are inactive. I was a smoker and remember a distinct taste in the back of my mouth when i inhaled tobacco smoke during my breaks from re-silvering. I used a dual-nozzle spray gun to apply the chemicals so I worked in a mist of silver. eghh, now that i think of it. BTW: there are a couple of women who resilver mirrors here in Grand Rapids, MI. Their shop is located accross the steet from Pristine Glass Company. They use the hand pouring method. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 03:29:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0udwVw-0000FOa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 03:29 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a windows Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:29:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9607101029.AA12927@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Jul9.151459.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [snip] > sized it to fit into a window of our stairwell but will only have about an > eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom (sides > are fine) after I'm done soldering. Is there some framing material, such as > zinc came, that is only an eighth of an inch thick or less that I could use? Hmm - how did you do the sizing? Unless you're assembling it in an accurate frame, and allowing for foil/solder, I'd be surprised - and impressed - if it comes out exactly the right size. Getting it into place may be tricky too. My first (and only, so far) window (leaded, about 30 pieces), about 9" x 31" came out slightly oversize - I was pleased I'd allowed for the possibility and used wide came on the edges so I could adjust the size to get it to fit :-). (Hmm - 2 foot x 3 feet sounds like it might be big enough to think about reinforcing - any experts out there care to comment?) -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 07:24:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue0Ax-0000e7a; Wed, 10 Jul 96 07:23 PDT X-Path: iex.com!crowell From: "J.P. Crowell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re-Silvering Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:27:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960710142743.2dafe372@neptune.tx.iex.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >The worst part of the process was stripping off the old paint >backings and removing the old silver. I have heard that oven cleaner will remove the silver from an old mirror. No specific brand name was mentioned but I suspect any of the Skull&Crossbones types would do it. Antique dealers remove the silver on damaged mirrors when they don't want to go to the trouble and expense of having the mirror resilvered. After all of the old silver is stripped off, they back the glass with a new piece of mirrored glass to get the effect of the antique (beveled) mirrored glass. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Paige Crowell IEX Corporation 2425 North Central Expressway Suite 700 Richardson, TX 75080 (214)301-1300 crowell@iex.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- "I think for (Frank Lloyd) Wright the vision was more important than the conception, the conception more worthwhile than the plans, the plans more valuable than the built house ... and the house itself more interesting than the clients. Which, of course, is why he didn't make any money." . . . Albert Lewis ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 09:08:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue1nr-00004la; Wed, 10 Jul 96 09:07 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "KARL L. PREISACH" Subject: RE: patina Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <<199607090229.WAA21154@moltar.cetlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karl. What is fluxed tracing paper? I tried to follow how you tinned the vase cap but haven't heard of this kind of paper. I have stated it previously, however, the brass vase caps are beautiful...why patinae them? P. Johnsen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 11:30:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue40i-0000Zja; Wed, 10 Jul 96 11:29 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "edupjohn@slonet.org" , Subject: RE: patina Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:23:01 -0400 Message-ID: <199607101828.OAA27594@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Peggy W. Johnsen > To: KARL L. PREISACH > Cc: glass@bungi.com; glass@bungi.com > Subject: RE: patina > Date: Wednesday, July 10, 1996 11:19 AM > > Karl. What is fluxed tracing paper? I tried to follow how you tinned the > vase cap but haven't heard of this kind of paper. I have stated it > previously, however, the brass vase caps are beautiful...why patinae them? > > P. Johnsen > > > Peggy; Sorry I wasn't clear on the paper issue. What I meant by fluxed tracing paper was that I use a sheet of regular tracing paper ( like that used in tracing patterns for a layout ) upon which I have brushed a film of liquid flux. I came upon this procedure by accident, but it seems to work OK. Sometimes if the cap gets really hot, some of the paper sticks to the edge of the cap, but it comes right off when you wash the cap after soldering. The only reasons that I can see for tinning and patina are that the finished project looks more uniform, and also gives it that "antique" look. Hope that this is helpful. Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 11:33:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue43x-0000bBa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 11:32 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a window Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul10.103359.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk OK, more details about my window. It is a 300 piece copper foiled rectangular window with clear irridized baroque glass going around the perimeter of the panel as a border. This glass could be cut down to allow more room but I'd rather not do that if I don't have to. The window casing I intended the panel to go in will leave only an eighth of an inch on the top and an eighth of an inch on the bottom after I've foiled and soldered it. On the left and right I have at least an inch on each side. Since the window casing is wood I thought I could put hooks and a chain on the left and right sides of the window and hang the window from hooks in the wooden casing. So I was thinking I could frame the whole panel with some kind of zinc came (if its an eighth of an inch thick or less), solder on some hooks on the left and right near the top and hang it from two chains screwed into the casing. Is this doable or should I find another solution??? Your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Chris McMurdo San Mateo, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 12:02:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue4WY-0000QLa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 12:02 PDT X-Path: hooked.net!nsherman From: Neil Sherman To: glass@bungi.com Subject: White Out, Soldering and the FTP Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:02:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199607101902.MAA22836@mom.hooked.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all: A few weeks ago someone wrote in about using whiteout to neaten solder joins. I saved the message to reference later but then my folder got screwed up...long story. Anyway, if that person is still around would you mind posting what you do again. And what is the FTP for the archives so I can look this stuff up in the future myself. Thanks for all the hints and help. Bonnie Carroll ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 13:09:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue5Y2-0000aia; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:07 PDT X-Path: aol.com!TMcmurdo From: TMcmurdo@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a windows Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:44:32 -0400 Message-ID: <960710144417_354700330@emout16.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, since I'm new to stained glass I probably didn't really know what I was doing when I sized my window. I'm trying my hardest to keep the thing from growing. When I started this project I asked the experts at my local stained glass shop if they thought the window would need reinforcing and they thought that it wouldn't given the number of pieces (300+). They thought that there would be enough solder seams to hold it firmly together. I guess they could be wrong, but the pattern didn't indicate any need for reinforcement and I finished picture I saw of the window did not appear to have any reinforcement. Chris McMurdo San Mateo, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 13:17:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue5gk-0000aqa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:16 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: White Out, Soldering and the FTP Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul10.121514.0> References: <<199607101902.MAA22836@mom.hooked.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Neil Sherman wrote: > > Hello all: > > A few weeks ago someone wrote in about using whiteout to neaten solder > joins. I saved the message to reference later but then my folder got > screwed up...long story. > > Anyway, if that person is still around would you mind posting what you do again. > > And what is the FTP for the archives so I can look this stuff up in the > future myself. > > Thanks for all the hints and help. > > Bonnie Carroll > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass whiteout won't help joints out much, but it will prevent you from soldering a hinge in the wrong place. just apply on the knuckle of the hinge, solder, remove whiteout. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 13:23:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue5mD-0000IIa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 13:22 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a window Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:19:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul10.121935.0> References: <<1996Jul10.103359.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TMcmurdo@aol.com wrote: > > OK, more details about my window. It is a 300 piece copper foiled > rectangular window with clear irridized baroque glass going around the > perimeter of the panel as a border. This glass could be cut down to allow > more room but I'd rather not do that if I don't have to. The window casing I > intended the panel to go in will leave only an eighth of an inch on the top > and an eighth of an inch on the bottom after I've foiled and soldered it. On > the left and right I have at least an inch on each side. Since the window > casing is wood I thought I could put hooks and a chain on the left and right > sides of the window and hang the window from hooks in the wooden casing. So > I was thinking I could frame the whole panel with some kind of zinc came (if > its an eighth of an inch thick or less), solder on some hooks on the left and > right near the top and hang it from two chains screwed into the casing. Is > this doable or should I find another solution??? > > Your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks. > > Chris McMurdo > San Mateo, CA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass a method i've seen is: use a lower case h came. it has a flat part on the outside so it can go into a frame. this flat part can be shaved down to fit the opening, make sure though you leave enough space around the border for the came. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 15:35:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue7qp-0000cJa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 15:35 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: White Out, Soldering and the FTP Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199607102232.RAA13640@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 04:15 PM 7/10/96 -0400, M. Savad wrote: >Neil Sherman wrote: >> >> Hello all: >> >> A few weeks ago someone wrote in about using whiteout to neaten solder >> joins. I saved the message to reference later but then my folder got >> screwed up...long story. >> >> Anyway, if that person is still around would you mind posting what you do again. >> >> And what is the FTP for the archives so I can look this stuff up in the >> future myself. >> >> Thanks for all the hints and help. >> >> Bonnie Carroll >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >whiteout won't help joints out much, but it will prevent you from >soldering a hinge in the wrong place. just apply on the knuckle of the >hinge, solder, remove whiteout. > >---Mike Savad >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > At one time I used an anti-flux product reminded me of nail polish came in a little bottle with a brush applicator in the cap it was bright yellow and thick and stopped the solder from flowing. It must have been some kind of industrial product I didn't use it for very long and I don't recall the name. Anybody? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 16:32:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue8jU-0000bQa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 16:31 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a window Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:27:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199607102327.SAA14394@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 02:33 PM 7/10/96 -0400, TMcmurdo@aol.com wrote: >OK, more details about my window. It is a 300 piece copper foiled >rectangular window with clear irridized baroque glass going around the >perimeter of the panel as a border. This glass could be cut down to allow >more room but I'd rather not do that if I don't have to. The window casing I >intended the panel to go in will leave only an eighth of an inch on the top >and an eighth of an inch on the bottom after I've foiled and soldered it. On >the left and right I have at least an inch on each side. Since the window >casing is wood I thought I could put hooks and a chain on the left and right >sides of the window and hang the window from hooks in the wooden casing. So >I was thinking I could frame the whole panel with some kind of zinc came (if >its an eighth of an inch thick or less), solder on some hooks on the left and >right near the top and hang it from two chains screwed into the casing. Is >this doable or should I find another solution??? > >Your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks. > >Chris McMurdo >San Mateo, CA >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Hmmm... There is non-box section zinc *u* channel available, one being whats called *slip joint* zinc which would *cap* the perimeter of the panel while only adding a small fraction to the dimensions and covering about .250 of the panel. I think the hook arrangement you suggest is a little crude and risky :) after all you have already invested many hours and dollars in your project, might as well try and finish it off clean. If reducing the vertical dimension of the panel by .750 on each side would not intrude into you design I would suggest chopping some off, framing it with wood and hanging it as an autonomous panel. It's not that difficult to cut down a panel. Mark it off, put your glass cutter on the mark, line up a straight edge and zip a score right up to the solder lines all the way across then apply some pressure to the face of the panel near the edge and snap each section. Then trim the solder and nip off those little hangers-on Not being a real big fan of large free hanging panels ( IMHO... I think all that white light leaking around the perimeter really distracts from the beauty of the glass ) I wish I could suggest a realistic way to resize so you could butt the panel against the window and stop it in. It's tough without seeing the design and the set!! Good Luck! Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 16:34:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ue8lv-0000Dja; Wed, 10 Jul 96 16:34 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a windows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:19:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199607102341.AAA31283@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think I have proposed this idea before here somewhere; The theory as I was taught was, that a panel needs to be re-infoced every 2 ft. sq, vertically, horizontally or both. In addition to that, "sensitive" Masters have taught me to ask about the "Lifestyle" of the clients; do they have children, do they live in a "vandalistic vulnarable" area, do they have a lot of "coming & going" to their house - i.e. all sorts of questions that might affect the setting of the panel. If your panel is going to be exposed to a lot of "traffic", then I would suggest you re-inforce it every 12-18 inches. I find it so soul destroying getting a panel back for repair that I have spent months and months creating and "giving birh" to, and then for someone to crack by a thoughtless "bang" of a door. Better safe than sorry, says I. I sign all of my more important panels and I visit my customers every 12 months to check up on how the panels are settling in, do adjustments to external re-inforcement saddles, where necessary, check on weathering, advise on cleaning and maintenance. I may be an old-fasshioned "stickler", but I would like to think that the ONLY attention MY stained glass will need, will be - perhaps - re-leading 70-100 years after I am long gone and buried. I don't ask the question "do I HAVE to do this", but more , am I going to be branded as a "bodger" past my grave, for the sake of a quick dollar.. Sure, it "costs" much more to keep up a servicing/maintenance policy, but it DOES pays dividends in the end. Hang in there, be trueand honest to your art and yourself. It's bloody hard work, but you WILL reap the benefits.... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 18:08:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueAEg-0000bTa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 18:08 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: White Out, Soldering and the FTP Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >A few weeks ago someone wrote in about using whiteout to neaten solder >joins. I saved the message to reference later but then my folder got >screwed up...long story. I was taught to use whiteout on hinges so that they won't get soldered. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com born Wilhelmina Ottilie Reuning 1091@nethawk.com reunited 5/94 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 18:36:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueAg6-0000Rya; Wed, 10 Jul 96 18:36 PDT X-Path: genie.com!t.mccomb From: t.mccomb@genie.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: framing a windows Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 01:13:00 UTC 0000 Message-ID: <199607110134.AA076348856@relay1.geis.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reply: Item #1018944 from GLASS@BUNGI.COM@INET01# Elisabeth 'n Toby: In what way do you "sign" your leaded work? I just finished my first window and would like to "sign" it but I'm kinda at a loss as to how. Thanks in advance for answering a dopey question! -Tom {9:09 pm} Wednesday, July 10, 1996 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 20:27:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueCOf-0000UIa; Wed, 10 Jul 96 20:26 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: signing Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 20:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <199607110326.UAA15361@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- This is Howard..I use a carbide tipped engraving (etching) pen...the kind they sell for putting identification on valuables. To answer a question before it is asked...NO i have not yet cracked a piece of glass while doing it. I only have signed 1,028 units so far. -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 20:53:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueCoW-0000gma; Wed, 10 Jul 96 20:53 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Observation Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:02:12 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960711030212.00686d2c@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: IMHO... I think all that white light leaking around the perimeter really distracts from the beauty of the glass . Just an observation.. For years I have been doing window hangings, but just finished my first 2 piece door side light. I saw it installed and was shocked at the difference of the intensity in the colors and depth of the light. Wow!!! Ummmm.. might try to do more stained glass "fitted" to a window. Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 08:49:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueNxx-0000dEa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 08:47 PDT X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: Kathe McDonald To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: You're invited! Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:56:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Jul11.85633.0> References: <<1996Jul6.183626.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Office of Curricular Support Precedence: bulk Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 11:32:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueQWV-0000dEa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 11:31 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 12:27:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueRNN-0000Xna; Thu, 11 Jul 96 12:26 PDT X-Path: attws.com!phillip.gardner From: "Phillip Gardner (UniHacker)" To: Glass Subject: Figurines Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 12:21:00 PDT Message-ID: <1996Jul11.19210.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 12:29:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueRPr-0000JGa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 12:28 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 12:56:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueRoM-0000Wma; Thu, 11 Jul 96 12:54 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 13:29:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueSLN-0000Wva; Thu, 11 Jul 96 13:28 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:19:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 14:49:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueTbj-0000CLa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 14:49 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Signing" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:34:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199607112156.WAA32611@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:07:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueTt6-0000hMa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:07 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:08:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueTtz-0000Kza; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:08 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <9607112045.AA16204@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:15:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueU0D-0000Gpa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:14 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:25:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueU9V-0000Wda; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:24 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:27:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUBa-0000Wea; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:26 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:30:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUEU-0000baa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:29 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:41:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUOs-0000aea; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:39 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: "Signing" Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:34:04 +0000 Message-ID: <1996Jul11.22344.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:42:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUQa-0000Qfa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:41 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:36:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:44:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUSU-0000aka; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:43 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:48:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUVd-0000bca; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:46 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 15:57:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUee-0000bpa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 15:56 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:51 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:02:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUjk-0000YMa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:01 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:56 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:03:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUkf-0000N4a; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:02 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:58 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:11:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUsP-0000NRa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:10 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:04 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:16:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUwk-00003Da; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:14 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:58 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:16:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUwo-0000iQa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:15 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:10:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:51 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:19:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueUzg-0000YJa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:18 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:12:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:56 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:28:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueV8K-0000Sia; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:26 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:21:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:04 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:32:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVCe-0000jFa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:31 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:58 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:34:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVDt-0000Bea; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:32 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:27 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:51 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:37:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVGd-0000Rna; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:35 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:30 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:56 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:48:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVRm-0000g6a; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:47 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:58 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:51:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVUn-0000Tza; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:50 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:43:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:43 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:27 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:51 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:52:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVVe-0000TEa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:51 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:30 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:56 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 16:56:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVZV-0000Rga; Thu, 11 Jul 96 16:55 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:50:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:50 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:04 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 17:03:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVgW-0000TVa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:02 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:57 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:43 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:27 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:51 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 17:08:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVl5-0000Xya; Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:06 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:01 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:58 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 17:20:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueVtu-0000OLa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:16 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:50 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:04 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 17:24:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueW0c-0000ePa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 17:23 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:16:00 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:16 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:01 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:58 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:39 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:00 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:19 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings (Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get in touch with? -Phill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:09:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWj5-0000Wta; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:08 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <9607120006.AA20295@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:59 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:45 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:30 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:12 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:56 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:41 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:24 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:10:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWjL-0000WUa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:09 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:15:00 -0500 Message-ID: <9607120022.AA20505@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:15 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:57 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:43 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:27 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:51 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:36 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 17:18 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 15:37 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 14:10 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 13:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice publication! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:10:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWjc-0000Rta; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:09 PDT X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <9607120033.AA20802@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:26 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 19:09 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:50 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:21 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 TIME: 18:04 SUBJECT: Mail failure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. Mail item was not delivered to: UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tom (and All), I don't think your question is "ropey" at all, so don't worry. Years ago, when my customers asked me for it, I started out "signing" work with a manual, engraving pen (they were made in Switzerland and came with a fancy set of instructions & templates). This was a bit of a labourious process and I was never happy with the results when I scrutinized them under a magnifying glass. Too "scratchy" I thought. Then I made friends with a professional glass engraver, who taught me HIS tricks of the trade. I now have a miniature electric drill (cost here "across the Pond" approx. $130) with proper glass engraving "burrs". I also ask my dentist to save his drill bits for me, when he has finished using them (for teeth). So I get those for free and I am all set up, use my miniature electric drill for not only "signing" my work, but also for creating special effects (very sparingly). Great fun on flashed glass!! Like Howard, I have NEVER cracked a single piece of glass this way, but have been known to do other silly, idiotic things with newly cemented, finished, polished panels (a la Karin!!), which I have tipped over, dropped or otherwhise "mauled about" the day before intended installation..... Oh well.... Hope this gives you some productive food for thought. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:23:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWvy-0000Dqa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:22 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:22:13 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181441-0700pdt.268861-9184+7@aphex.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > I received 27 ......TWENTY SEVEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! copies of this message. I am appalled at the incompetence of UTMB/MSPO/POSTMASTER. Please do NOT let this happen again. Thank you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:24:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWxc-0000FKa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:24 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:23:54 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181547-0700pdt.29298-15484+26@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:25:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWxs-0000E0a; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:24 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:24:14 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181632-0700pdt.29093-15499+13@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:25:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWyE-0000Zra; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:24 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:24:35 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181651-0700pdt.29297-15491+18@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:26:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWyl-0000hKa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:25 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:25:09 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181702-0700pdt.29298-15482+6@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:26:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWyj-0000jSa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:25 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:25:05 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181718-0700pdt.29093-15496+5@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:27:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWzl-0000Bta; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:26 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:26:07 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181721-0700pdt.268886-9184+10@aphex.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 18:27:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueWzt-0000jVa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 18:26 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Date: Thu Jul 11 18:26:14 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul11.181656-0700pdt.268886-9173+20@aphex.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice >publication! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 19:06:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueXbV-0000ZIa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 19:05 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:05:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199607120205.VAA07377@mail.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been >trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings >(Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other >lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get >in touch with? > > -Phill What is going on here? I received 48 messages of "Mail Failure? Anyway I have a phone # for Creative Castings 1-800-523-4242 I want to call them about some castings I saw in the Spring issue ov "Glass Patterns Quarterly" Page 68. I want to make some of those birds. Hope you get this message with all these problems with this newsgroup Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 19:11:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueXhM-0000d8a; Thu, 11 Jul 96 19:11 PDT X-Path: aol.com!LegalSteph From: LegalSteph@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:12:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul11.181251.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 96-07-11 22:07:28 EDT, you write: << What is going on here? I received 48 messages of "Mail Failure? [snip] Hope you get this message with all these problems with this newsgroup Karen >> I too have been getting "mail failure" notices, and apologize for probably generating another one. I bet this is the type of stuff that Glenna normally takes care of without our ever knowing it, and so with her on vacation for awhile we'll probably see a lot more of them before it's all over!!! Certainly makes me appreciate Glenna even more...... Steph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 19:29:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueXy6-0000jQa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 19:28 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Spooky things are happening to the mail! Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:05:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul11.16516.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Hi Gang! Is everyone getting zillions (well, maybe not zillions) of Mail Failure messages or is it something I should take personally? Makes me afraid of checking my e-mail box. The aliens must have taken over! Spooky ;) Shirley Grapeland, Tx. P.S. Uh Oh, I have mail again.....I'M SCARED TO CHECK IT......Oh well, I've WD-40'd this old delete button so off I go! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 19:40:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueY8W-0000G1a; Thu, 11 Jul 96 19:39 PDT X-Path: agt.net!tgnida From: tgnida@agt.net (Thelma Gnida) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <199607120239.UAA14782@agt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe tgnida@agt.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 19:48:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueYGn-0000SHa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 19:47 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul11.184725.0> References: <<1996Jul11.181251.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 LegalSteph@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 96-07-11 22:07:28 EDT, you write: > > << What is going on here? I received 48 messages of "Mail Failure? > > [snip] > > Hope you get this message with all these problems with this newsgroup > > Karen >> > > > I too have been getting "mail failure" notices, and apologize for probably > generating another one. I bet this is the type of stuff that Glenna normally > takes care of without our ever knowing it, and so with her on vacation for > awhile we'll probably see a lot more of them before it's all over!!! > > Certainly makes me appreciate Glenna even more...... > > Steph > I'm bouncing all those suckers right back at the offending postmaster. Let them see what it's like ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 19:59:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueYRZ-0000dma; Thu, 11 Jul 96 19:59 PDT X-Path: aol.com!FStryczek From: FStryczek@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spooky things are happening to the mail! Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:00:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul11.19022.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm getting tons of it too! What gives? Frank. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 21:43:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uea3m-0000Pra; Thu, 11 Jul 96 21:42 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul11.161534.0> References: <<1996Jul11.181251.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LegalSteph@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-07-11 22:07:28 EDT, you write: > > << What is going on here? I received 48 messages of "Mail Failure? > > [snip] > > Hope you get this message with all these problems with this newsgroup > > Karen >> > > I too have been getting "mail failure" notices, and apologize for probably > generating another one. I bet this is the type of stuff that Glenna normally > takes care of without our ever knowing it, and so with her on vacation for > awhile we'll probably see a lot more of them before it's all over!!! > > Certainly makes me appreciate Glenna even more...... > > Steph > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassI've gotten 49 mail failures yikes! Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 22:07:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueaQO-0000Qoa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 22:05 PDT X-Path: light.lightlink.com!sharrow From: "Ray Sharrow" To: daver!direct.ca!tonsper@light.lightlink.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:04:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199607120504.BAA19087@light.lightlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk YOUR MAILER IS GENERATING MULTIPLE COPIES OF NONSENSE (SPAM) MY MAIL READER SEES ALL YOUR STUFF WITH A JANUARY DATE. PLEASE RESEARCH AND FIX THIS STUFF - IT IS VERY **********ANNOYING************ > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > > TIME: 15:37 > >SUBJECT: Mail failure > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > >Mail item was not delivered to: > > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > > TIME: 14:10 > >SUBJECT: Mail failure > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > >Mail item was not delivered to: > > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > > TIME: 13:26 > >SUBJECT: Mail failure > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > >Mail item was not delivered to: > > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice > >publication! > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ****************************************************************************************************************** Descartes walks into a bar, orders a martini. He drinks it down. The bartender says, "Another?" Descartes replies "I think not," and disappears. ****************************************************************************************************************** *************************************** ** ALL CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. ** *************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 23:09:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uebOJ-0000VYa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 23:07 PDT X-Path: light.lightlink.com!sharrow From: "Ray Sharrow" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (unrecoverable error) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: <199607120522.BAA20050@light.lightlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If anyone knows who daver!direct.ca!tonsper is, please ask her/him to clean up their mailer. I have gotten 11 duplicate messages from this apparently malicious or clueless spammer.. And that is just today. I've been getting junk from this mailer for months. I now have 3 different filter rules in my mailer to try to delete this stuff automatically. This stuff always arrives with dates 6 or 7 months out of date. Please excuse the semi-RANT, but this stuff came right on the heels of the "mail failure" spam. It's enough to make me consider un-subscribing from a group I enjoy very much. But I guess that's the object of mail-bombs and spam. ****************************************************************************************************************** Descartes walks into a bar, orders a martini. He drinks it down. The bartender says, "Another?" Descartes replies "I think not," and disappears. ****************************************************************************************************************** *************************************** ** ALL CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. ** *************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 23:10:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uebNz-0000Q8a; Thu, 11 Jul 96 23:07 PDT X-Path: light.lightlink.com!sharrow From: "Ray Sharrow" To: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU Subject: Re: Mail failure = MAIL BOMB Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:04:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199607120504.BAA19077@light.lightlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WHY ARE YOU "BOMBING" glass@bungi.com WITH THIS CRAP? YOU HAVE SENT MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE SAME NOTICES. I GOT 8 OF YOUR IDIOT NOTICES WHEN I CHECKED MY MAIL AT 4:00 pm, AND 44 - YES FORTY-FOUR - MORE WHEN I CHECKED AT MIDNIGHT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I'VE BEEN SPAMMED BY A POSTMASTER. FIX YOUR SYSTEM OR FIND A NEW OCCUPATION. > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:57 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:43 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:27 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:10 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:51 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:36 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:18 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:37 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:10 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 13:26 > SUBJECT: Mail failure > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > [002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice > publication! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ****************************************************************************************************************** Descartes walks into a bar, orders a martini. He drinks it down. The bartender says, "Another?" Descartes replies "I think not," and disappears. ****************************************************************************************************************** *************************************** ** ALL CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. ** *************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 11 23:10:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uebO2-0000Joa; Thu, 11 Jul 96 23:07 PDT X-Path: light.lightlink.com!sharrow From: "Ray Sharrow" To: daver!direct.ca!tonsper@light.lightlink.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:04:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199607120504.BAA19072@light.lightlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk YOUR reply to the postmaster generated 11 - yes ELEVEN - duplicates. Take your own advice to the postmaster. Also try to figure ou why your mailer inserts dates 6 or 7 months old. VERY ANNOYING. ****************************************************************************************************************** Descartes walks into a bar, orders a martini. He drinks it down. The bartender says, "Another?" Descartes replies "I think not," and disappears. ****************************************************************************************************************** *************************************** ** ALL CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. ** *************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 04:10:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueg5N-0000JVa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 04:08 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mail failure Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:15:09 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is anybody else getting approximately 50 of these per day? I subscribe to a number of lists and this stuff is only coming to this list. Is there anything that can be done while Glenna is away? I am also going to email the postmaster to see if h/h is aware of this. Thanks. >>From Thu Jul 11 20:41:07 1996 >X-Path: MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU!POSTMASTER >From: POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Mail failure >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:16:00 -0500 >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com >Precedence: bulk > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 19:16 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 19:01 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:41 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:26 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 18:10 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:58 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:39 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:21 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 17:00 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 15:19 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > TIME: 14:45 >SUBJECT: Mail failure >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Hello everybody. For the past two months the store I shop at has been >trying to find me a catalog of available figurines from Creative Castings >(Product line or company name? No one we've talked to knows.) or any other >lead/pewter figurine manufacturer. Does anyone out there know who I can get >in touch with? > > -Phill >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com born Wilhelmina Ottilie Reuning 1091@nethawk.com reunited 5/94 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 04:52:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueglB-0000EOa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 04:51 PDT X-Path: stained-glass.com!webmaster From: Matt McDonnell To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spooky things are happening to the mail! Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:50:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul12.35055.0> References: <<1996Jul11.19022.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: T & M Stained Glass Precedence: bulk FStryczek@aol.com wrote: > > I'm getting tons of it too! What gives? > > Frank. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass One, or some, of the subscribers is returning mail and when glass list posts are sent back to the list they get distrbuted to everyone. Many lists are having this problem. I wish Glenna and Dave all the luck in the world trying to solve this. It can be quite time-consuming. Matt McDonnell -- T & M Stained Glass - http://www.stained-glass.com Future home of the Stained Glass Marketplace Visit soon, visit often. send inquiries to mailto:webmaster@stained-glass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 06:19:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uei7A-0000Bta; Fri, 12 Jul 96 06:18 PDT X-Path: falcon.cc.ukans.edu!elgarber From: elgarber@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Ellen Garber) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spooky things are happening to the mail! Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: <9607121318.AA18330@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm getting the same thing, maybe even bizillions!!>Hi Gang! > >Is everyone getting zillions (well, maybe not zillions) of Mail Failure >messages or is it something I should take personally? Makes me afraid of >checking my e-mail box. The aliens must have taken over! Spooky ;) > >Shirley >Grapeland, Tx. > >P.S. Uh Oh, I have mail again.....I'M SCARED TO CHECK IT......Oh well, >I've WD-40'd this old delete button so off I go! >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Ellen Garber The University of Kansas Department of History Graduate Program ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 07:07:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ueisA-0000jba; Fri, 12 Jul 96 07:07 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Bevel Clusters (Lead or Foil) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: <199607121401.HAA04730@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm Kay from the Los Angeles area and new to the list. So glad I found you guys even with all the MAIL FAILURES I had to wade through yesterday. Please help me with two questions. 1. What is the best way to deal with bevel clusters (ex. American Bevel 017) in a large panel? Lead or foil? If lead, what size? I used a heavy quarter inch lead for the background. 2. What is the best way to draw face detail on angel suncatchers? I used an extra fine black Sharpie but it just wipes off when I clean it. Thanks, Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 07:39:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uejMo-0000PBa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 07:38 PDT X-Path: awinc.com!jthomson From: Juile Thomson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lots of mail! Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:38:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul12.0389.0> References: <<199607120522.BAA20050@light.lightlink.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ray Sharrow wrote: > I have gotten 11 duplicate messages from this apparently malicious > or clueless spammer.. And that is just today. Hello -- I have also received many messages, but it is not from a malicious person. My husband administers a server thus I have asked him the cause of these messages: (1) MAIL FAILURE The "Mail Failure" messages are coming to us because there is someone (apparantly klivesay@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU) who was on this mailing list but their user ID has been discontinued on their system (like when an account gets "nuked"). The postmaster is NOT a person... it is an automatic account on every system that deals with mail problems (ie. undeliverable mail). It is set up to tell the sender that there were problems transmitting the mail. Of course, each message sent out on the mailing list is sent to the nonexistant account thus a reply is sent to the mailing list saying that the account doesn't exist which then goes BACK to the nonexistant account (because it's on the list) and so on... a never ending circle. (2) UNDELIVERABLE MAIL The undeliverable mail problem (Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM>) is due to the stupidity of Compuserve ... if you have an account there then you know that you have to PAY for your mailbox space. That is, you pay for every single piece of mail that you receive into your mailbox -- if you have only prepaid to a certain amount of space, then you are limited to that space and any mail exceeding your prepaid volume will be "returned to sender". Here we have the same problem as above: the mail is returned to the list, the list contains the address of the person with the full mailbox so they receive it again, return it, etc, etc, etc. Our only hope is that (1) Glenda returns to remove klivesay@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU from the glass mailing list, and (2) 76500.1232@CompuServe.COM cleans out his/her mailbox!!!!! (note - by sending this message I will generate lots of mail to all of you. I apologize, but wanted you all to know that it is not a malicious "mail bomber" who has generated all this excess mail.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 08:43:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uekN3-0000GOa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:43 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bevel Clusters (Lead or Foil) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:37:52 PST Message-ID: <1996Jul12.183752.0> References: <<199607121401.HAA04730@polaris.pacificnet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use black glass paint. You should be able to purchase it thru your glass dealer. If not have them order it. I use foil on my bevels, unless it's in a lead panel then I use lead and make sure it's packed really well. Mary On Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:01:23 -0700 Kay Allen writes: >Hi, > >I'm Kay from the Los Angeles area and new to the list. So glad I >found you >guys even with all the MAIL FAILURES I had to wade through yesterday. > >Please help me with two questions. > >1. What is the best way to deal with bevel clusters (ex. American >Bevel >017) in a large panel? Lead or foil? If lead, what size? I used a >heavy >quarter inch lead for the background. > >2. What is the best way to draw face detail on angel suncatchers? I >used >an extra fine black Sharpie but it just wipes off when I clean it. > >Thanks, > >Kay > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 08:57:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uekaC-0000CGa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:56 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul12.7553.0> References: <<1996Jul11.181251.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LegalSteph@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-07-11 22:07:28 EDT, you write: > > << What is going on here? I received 48 messages of "Mail Failure? > > [snip] > > Hope you get this message with all these problems with this newsgroup > > Karen >> > > I too have been getting "mail failure" notices, and apologize for probably > generating another one. I bet this is the type of stuff that Glenna normally > takes care of without our ever knowing it, and so with her on vacation for > awhile we'll probably see a lot more of them before it's all over!!! > > Certainly makes me appreciate Glenna even more...... > > Steph > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the failure thing, i think is caused by someone's mailbox being messed up, it goes to that persons mailbox, bounces back as unknown, and get's resent, over, and over, again. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 10:58:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uemTg-0000ZIa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 10:58 PDT X-Path: netsync.net!shdybrk From: shdybrk@netsync.net (shadybrook farm) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lots of mail! Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:57:53 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Julie, Thanks so much for the explanation. I belong to a "weaver's" list, along with this one, and we were literally destroyed by a super large crash caused by the fact that Compuserve changed their mail policy. I guess they limit any mail messages to 100 and after that they bounce back. Many of our compuserve-listers were not aware of this so the accumulated messages to those not checking their mail snowballed and one by one the mail boxes filled up and the messages bounced and on and on and on. If anyone is curious as to what this looks like check out : http://www.quilt.net/weaving.html Go to the archived digests and check out from #759 - #916. You can't imagine what that was like to open up your mail for two days!! They literally had to pull the plug on all of us to stop the glut. We had over 700 members and only a little over 100 survived the "crash"! Our numbers are back up again but most of us had to resubscribe all over again.I know this list is not that large so maybe that won't happen. It was really an experience. I'd just like to add that I enjoy all the ideas you all come up with. Many are so helpful! Keep them coming! Karen Zuchowski ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 11:35:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uen2o-0000jMa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 11:34 PDT X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: "Philip S. McRae" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lots of mail! Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul12.61832.0> References: <<1996Jul12.0389.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Juile Thomson wrote: > > Ray Sharrow wrote: > > > I have gotten 11 duplicate messages from this apparently malicious > > or clueless spammer.. And that is just today. > > Hello -- I have also received many messages, but it is not from a malicious person. > My husband administers a server thus I have asked him the cause of these messages: > > (1) MAIL FAILURE > > The "Mail Failure" messages are coming to us because there is someone (apparantly > klivesay@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU) who was on this mailing list but their user ID has been > discontinued on their system (like when an account gets "nuked"). The postmaster is > NOT a person... it is an automatic account on every system that deals with mail > problems (ie. undeliverable mail). It is set up to tell the sender that there were > problems transmitting the mail. Of course, each message sent out on the mailing list > is sent to the nonexistant account thus a reply is sent to the mailing list saying > that the account doesn't exist which then goes BACK to the nonexistant account > (because it's on the list) and so on... a never ending circle. > > (2) UNDELIVERABLE MAIL > > The undeliverable mail problem (Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM>) is due > to the stupidity of Compuserve ... if you have an account there then you know that > you have to PAY for your mailbox space. That is, you pay for every single piece of > mail that you receive into your mailbox -- if you have only prepaid to a certain > amount of space, then you are limited to that space and any mail exceeding your > prepaid volume will be "returned to sender". Here we have the same problem as above: > the mail is returned to the list, the list contains the address of the person with > the full mailbox so they receive it again, return it, etc, etc, etc. > > Our only hope is that (1) Glenda returns to remove klivesay@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU from > the glass mailing list, and (2) 76500.1232@CompuServe.COM cleans out his/her > mailbox!!!!! > > (note - by sending this message I will generate lots of mail to all of you. I > apologize, but wanted you all to know that it is not a malicious "mail bomber" who > has generated all this excess mail.) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Julie Thanks, cool heads are needed when we go off the deep end. Your sharing knowledge of e-mail is very welcome. I thought a bomber was active because someone overcharged them. Phil7@tiac.net Just a glassman from the Northeast. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 16:04:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uerG4-0000Wua; Fri, 12 Jul 96 16:04 PDT X-Path: mail.sage.net!cpopham From: "Clinton T. Popham Sr." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mail failure Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:10:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199607122201.RAA07433@melange.sage.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: daver!direct.ca!tonsper@melange.sage.net > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Mail failure > Date: Thu Jul 11 18:24:35 1996 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > > TIME: 15:37 > >SUBJECT: Mail failure > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > >Mail item was not delivered to: > > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > > TIME: 14:10 > >SUBJECT: Mail failure > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > >Mail item was not delivered to: > > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >FROM: UTMB/MSPO4/POSTMASTER > >TO: glass@bungi.com DATE: 07-11-96 > > TIME: 13:26 > >SUBJECT: Mail failure > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. > >Mail item was not delivered to: > > UTMB/MSPO4/klivesay > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Thanks for sharing Common Ground. Congratulations on a very nice > >publication! > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > unsubscribe Clinton T. Popham Sr.CCP,LP ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 21:00:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uevrI-0000BCa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 20:59 PDT X-Path: mbay.net!drno From: "Joseph D. Noble" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Figurines Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:49:59 -0700 Message-ID: <199607130349.UAA18284@otter.mbay.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ENOUGH PEOPLE!!! Please don't waste your or my time replying to the Mail Failure Crap. Just delete it and go on. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. PLEASE STOP!!! >> << What is going on here? I received 48 messages of "Mail Failure? >> >> [snip] >> >> Hope you get this message with all these problems with this newsgroup >> >> Karen >> >> >> I too have been getting "mail failure" notices, and apologize for probably >> generating another one. I bet this is the type of stuff that Glenna normally >> takes care of without our ever knowing it, and so with her on vacation for >> awhile we'll probably see a lot more of them before it's all over!!! >> >> Certainly makes me appreciate Glenna even more...... >> >> Steph DR NO Monterey, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 22:52:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uexba-0000Naa; Fri, 12 Jul 96 22:51 PDT X-Path: genie.com!t.mccomb From: t.mccomb@genie.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Bevel Clusters (Lead or Foil) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 05:20:00 UTC 0000 Message-ID: <199607130548.AA035216923@relay1.geis.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reply: Item #0619081 from GLASS@BUNGI.COM@INET01# Hi Kay from LA! I just did a window with a 13 piece bevel cluster and used 1/4" RH "H" lead came. It 'came' out beautiful. (excuse the really bad pun). Good luck! -Tom {9:45 pm} Friday, July 12, 1996 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 01:10:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uezmP-0000WCa; Sat, 13 Jul 96 01:10 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!tonsper From: direct.ca!tonsper To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spooky things are happening to the mail! Date: Sat Jul 13 01:10:19 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul13.010231-0700pdt.268916-11650+116@aphex.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I'm getting tons of it too! What gives? > >Frank. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >The mail failure messages you and many others are getting are the result of the utter incompetence of the person at the following address ' POSTMASTER@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU' Perhaps a message to him or her to correct thi situation would be helpful. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 07:45:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uf5vr-0000MBa; Sat, 13 Jul 96 07:44 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bevel Clusters (Lead or Foil) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 07:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: <199607131438.HAA18009@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 05:20 13-07-96, you wrote: >Reply: Item #0619081 from GLASS@BUNGI.COM@INET01# > >Hi Kay from LA! > >I just did a window with a 13 piece bevel cluster and used 1/4" RH >"H" lead came. It 'came' out beautiful. (excuse the really bad pun). > >Good luck! > > -Tom > {9:45 pm} Friday, July 12, 1996 > Thanks, Tom, but please give me a clue as to how you wrap that thick lead around those intricate curvy pieces. I can hardly bend it. The panel "came" out OK for a protype using 1/4 " lead for the background and foil for the bevels but I had problems keeping the foiled bevels level with the leaded glass. Any suggestions? Kay from LA > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 12:07:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufA1k-0000Tma; Sat, 13 Jul 96 12:06 PDT X-Path: gnn.com!PhillRoey From: PhillRoey@gnn.com (Jerri Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 13:46:11 Message-ID: <199607131742.NAA14418@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone out there made any lamps using the Whittemore-Durgin system? I'm currently working on my first lamp using the Worden system, and noticed the cost seemed to be much lower using the W-D lamps. Just wondered how they compared to Worden and Osesssy. Thanks. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 13:29:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufBJB-0000QXa; Sat, 13 Jul 96 13:28 PDT X-Path: genie.com!t.mccomb From: t.mccomb@genie.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Bevel Clusters (Lead or Fo Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 19:56:00 UTC 0000 Message-ID: <199607132024.AA260559487@relay1.geis.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reply: Item #0584296 from GLASS@BUNGI.COM@INET00# Kay in LA- It's hard to covey this type of info over a text based message system, this is defianately an example of a picture being worth a thousand words. You have to look at your bevel cluster and plan your attack. Obviously each bevel isn't going to be wrapped with came as it would with foil. So you have to decide which ones get the 'continuous' pieces of lead and which will wind up between other leaded bevels and will only need a small piece to complete it's border. I hope I'm not stating the obvious here. This is all kinda new to me too, but the window came out great. (Even the Wife was impressed). I do have to admit that when it came to leading the bevels, I had to take breather and plan my attack since I hadn't previously given it much thought. Hope this helped a tiny bit. -Tom {3:48 pm} Saturday, July 13, 1996 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 19:28:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufGuV-0000Soa; Sat, 13 Jul 96 19:27 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 21:05:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul13.1658.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Hi All, Having recently become addicted to IRC, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in getting together in our own channel. My plans are to start a channel and to install a friendly 'bot to hold it for us. Please let me know via personal e-mail or through bungi if you would be interested in joining a stained glass chat group. We are Internet Service Providers for our area, so needless to say, I spend much time each day at the keyboard. I think it would be fun to have a channel where we can meet and talk about glass (or anything else, for that matter). Let me know what you think. Your friendly IRC Junkie, Shirley Suter :) Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 03:09:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufO6O-0000W2a; Sun, 14 Jul 96 03:08 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 05:06:03 -0400 Message-ID: <31E8B87B.2F92@bright.net> References: <<1996Jul13.1658.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes I would be interested in a Stained Glass Chat Channel! Joyce Moran joyce@bright.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 10:46:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufO6O-0000W2a; Sun, 14 Jul 96 03:08 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 05:06:03 -0400 Message-ID: <31E8B87B.2F92@bright.net> References: <<1996Jul13.1658.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes I would be interested in a Stained Glass Chat Channel! Joyce Moran joyce@bright.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 11:12:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufVeC-0000Ooa; Sun, 14 Jul 96 11:12 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Hang em High Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 07:50:20 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960714135020.0067829c@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've just about finished the 18" octagon hummingbird stained glass hanging.It is encased in a 2" thick oak frame and will be hung in a picture window overlooking a pool. Any comments on how to hang it?? Do I put two hanging hooks on the sides that are at the 10 and 2 driving position and then attach a chain and hang it from that.?? Or have two separate chains and hang it to the window frame from each side?? This is hard to explain w/out pictures. Any thoughts and suggestions will be much appreciated. Lorley in Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 11:13:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufVfO-0000R8a; Sun, 14 Jul 96 11:13 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 14:18:59 -0400 Message-ID: <199607141818.OAA05098@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes , I too would be interested. I am using Quarterdecks "Global Chat" irc.prospero.com and wonder if that is the one proposed. I DL software free sometime ago. Works great. Let me know. Lee Boe >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 11:49:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufWEB-0000dwa; Sun, 14 Jul 96 11:49 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Hang em High Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 13:26:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul14.8264.0> References: <<2.2.32.19960714135020.0067829c@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Lorley L. Oneyear wrote: > > I've just about finished the 18" octagon hummingbird stained glass > hanging. > Any comments on how to hang it?? > Do I put two hanging hooks on the sides that are at the 10 and 2 > driving position and then attach a chain and hang it from that.?? > Or have two separate chains and hang it to the window frame from each >side?? Hi ya, Lorley and All, I feel this is a matter of personal taste...but my opinion and my personal practice is to use 2 separate chains and 2 separate hooks in the window frame. This way, the panel does not tend to hang crooked or to try to spin. Hey Gang....let's go over to Lorley's and help her install this panel...she has access to a pool! Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 11:53:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufskX-0000LYa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 11:52 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Anybody going to the Nashville show? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk That is still in the future, right? I took my brochure in to share with my teacher, and never think about it except when I'm 20 miles away. Any comments, anyone? Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 11:53:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufsk6-0000H5a; Mon, 15 Jul 96 11:51 PDT X-Path: source.com.au!aking From: Andrea King To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Lamp Bases Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: <31EB0F46.2AF2@source.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Yes, I too have been receiving lots-o-mail and have spent lots-o-time culling!! I have a feeling these are the things that Glenna SAVES us from! I have a question that some may be able to give me the answer to, can anyone tell me what the lamp bases (replicas) are made of? I'm just curious as they give the appearance of old brass, but of course must have some other composition but I don't know what! Andrea ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 11:54:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufslJ-0000QPa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 11:52 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Sheets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:51:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199607151314.OAA23080@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Hopefully the mail "bogey man" has crept back into his corner and gone back to sleep. Had myself 48 failed messages in 12 hours. Was very appreciative of the info offered concerning "mail definitions". However, I have a cry for help. Am currently helping a friend ( artist and former art teacher) putting a legal case together for compensation concerning damaged health at work. We have put a list together of possible contributory products. Some of these are UK products, some global. ( e.g. ceramic glazes, adhesives, spray fixatives, spray paints, hot fumes, cleaning agents and so on) What I am trying to work out is, how to obtain Health and Safety Data Sheets via the Internet (for speed, reliability and efficiency - I COULD write to each individual company, but might then run the risk of a) being "fobbed off", b) having to wait for months for reply and c) possibly being sent totally wrong/inappropriate info). Any pointers, advice, suggestions (search engines?? Key words?) would be most helpful and greatly appreciated. The lawyers have rather left the onus on my friend to do this task. ...Not EXACTLY stained glass, but Health and Safety... which we HAVE raised a number of times. Hope that this is acceptable... Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 11:54:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufslw-0000Qxa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 11:53 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:07:04 PST Message-ID: <19960715.092037.2878.3.diamonds@juno.com> References: <<1996Jul13.1658.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd love a chat line ( group ) for stained glass!!!!!!!!! Mary On Sat, 13 Jul 1996 21:05:08 -0500 ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) writes: >Hi All, > >Having recently become addicted to IRC, I was wondering if anyone >would >be interested in getting together in our own channel. My plans are to > >start a channel and to install a friendly 'bot to hold it for us. >Please >let me know via personal e-mail or through bungi if you would be >interested in joining a stained glass chat group. > >We are Internet Service Providers for our area, so needless to say, I > >spend much time each day at the keyboard. I think it would be fun to >have a channel where we can meet and talk about glass (or anything >else, >for that matter). > >Let me know what you think. > >Your friendly IRC Junkie, >Shirley Suter :) >Grapeland, Tx. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 11:58:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufsqR-0000SEa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 11:58 PDT X-Path: aol.com!LynnGallie From: LynnGallie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Subscribe Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:11:34 -0400 Message-ID: <960715131133_238073037@emout19.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please subscribe LynnGallie@aol.com Thank you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 12:01:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufsss-0000SHa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 12:00 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Stugallie From: Stugallie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:20:57 -0400 Message-ID: <960715132049_238079582@emout16.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please unsubscribe Stugallie@aol.com Thank you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 12:39:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uftSn-0000HAa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 12:37 PDT X-Path: ACDM.RDC.AB.CA!LMCMILLAN From: LMCMILLAN@ACDM.RDC.AB.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass paints, stains, and other surface treatments Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul15.7375.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for suitable materials and supplier for applying color to glass. I have heard of a type of dye (?) that is applied to the surface of glass that has been pretreated by acid etching. The item is then baked at a low temperature to set the stain. Can anyone help me on this? I am also interested in any other glass coloring that can withstand the heat from a candle burning very close to it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 12:54:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uftiN-0000IDa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 12:53 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:55:26 -0400 Message-ID: <9607151955.AA29997@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > >On Sat, 13 Jul 1996 21:05:08 -0500 ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) >writes: >>Hi All, >> >>Having recently become addicted to IRC, I was wondering if anyone >>would >>be interested in getting together in our own channel. My plans are to >> >>start a channel and to install a friendly 'bot to hold it for us. >>Please >>let me know via personal e-mail or through bungi if you would be >>interested in joining a stained glass chat group. >> >>We are Internet Service Providers for our area, so needless to say, I >> >>spend much time each day at the keyboard. I think it would be fun to >>have a channel where we can meet and talk about glass (or anything >>else, >>for that matter). >> >>Let me know what you think. >> Just give me a date and at time.......and a server I will be there. I use mIRC all the time. pj friend ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 13:27:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufuE5-0000Bxa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 13:26 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Anybody going to the Nashville show? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607152026.QAA05108@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mary, Unfortunately I am not able to attend this show. Someone has to mind the shop :) >That is still in the future, right? I took my brochure in to share with my >teacher, and never think about it except when I'm 20 miles away. It's in the very *near* future. To be precise -- July 17 thru the 21st. The actual trade show opens at 1 pm on Friday for the trade and is finally open to the public on Sunday, July 21. If you have the opportunity to go, take it! Personally, I have found that opportunities like this are wonderful for "recharging your batteries", discovering new products that are available, and talking with others who share a common link.....glass! Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 13:32:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufuJ6-0000Vaa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 13:31 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Sheets Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607152031.QAA05763@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, I am not aware of anyone having MSDS sheets available on the web, ftp, or otherwise. You should be able to obtain these quickly from the company(s) that you purchased these products from instead of having to resort to writing directly to the manufacturer. I would strongly suggest that you try with them first. From there, if you are still unable to find some of the information, please let me know, and I will try to help you out. Good Luck! Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 14:32:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufvEs-0000JMa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:31 PDT X-Path: camadm.Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA To: "GLASS@BUNGI.COM" Subject: stepping stones Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul15.73124.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Could anyone tell me if there is something to add to concrete to change the color, I would like to try to make some stepping stones, also what kind of cement would you use, I have tried to find the answers in the archives but can't, hope someone can help, Thanks Donna.hr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 14:57:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufvcy-0000aZa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 14:56 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul15.7516.0> References: <<9607151955.AA29997@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. Sounds like everyone but me knows IRC stands for. I assume it means an internet discussion type group. But perhaps it means more. Also, I am getting ready to change servers. How do I get re-established to subscribe? PJ from Santa Maria. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:15:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufvuX-00003qa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:14 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@BUNGI.COM" Subject: RE: stepping stones Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:12:07 -0400 Message-ID: <199607152214.SAA02556@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Donna, Try your local masonry supply. There are a myriad of colors available for mixing with mortar, and I'm sure that they would work also with concrete. Good luck! Karl ---------- > From: cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA > To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM > Subject: stepping stones > Date: Monday, July 15, 1996 5:31 PM > > Could anyone tell me if there is something to add to concrete to change > the color, I would like to try to make some stepping stones, also what > kind of cement would you use, I have tried to find the answers in the > archives but can't, hope someone can help, Thanks Donna.hr > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:16:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufvvT-0000bEa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:15 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Sheets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:00:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199607152223.XAA19430@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Many Thanks Stephanie, Already tried suppliers. They were my very first "port of call". I was told by every single one that "they" don't normally carry Health & Safety Data Sheets and that these were obtainable by writing direct to the manufacturers.... (Same old story... pass the buck...) Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:42:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufwJI-0000bTa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:40 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Anybody going to the Nashville show? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul15.143619.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk maruca@netaxs.com wrote: > > That is still in the future, right? I took my brochure in to share with my > teacher, and never think about it except when I'm 20 miles away. > > Any comments, anyone? > > Mary > No in fact it starts this Thursday...I will be attending the retailer seminars if anyone would care to meet. Joyce Moran joyce@bright.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:47:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufwPV-0000Ofa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:46 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Sheets Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:42:39 PST Message-ID: <1996Jul16.14239.0> References: <<199607152223.XAA19430@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Try your local library. You should even be able to call them and have themlook and see if and what all they have. Or try the Osha board. Have you tried the health and safety board of health? Good luck. Mary On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:00:09 +0000 "Toby" writes: >Many Thanks Stephanie, > >Already tried suppliers. They were my very first "port of call". > I was told by every single one that "they" don't normally carry >Health & Safety Data Sheets and that these were obtainable by writing >direct to the manufacturers.... (Same old story... pass the buck...) >Elisabeth >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:47:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufwPT-0000RGa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:46 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 17:40:50 PST Message-ID: <1996Jul16.14050.0> References: <<199607152214.SAA02556@moltar.cetlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would use Quick set cement. You could try the Rit dye ( powder ), just add the dry powder to the cement a little at a time and see if that gives you the color you want. It works with paint so it should with the cement. Mary On Mon, 15 Jul 1996 18:12:07 -0400 "KARL L. PREISACH" writes: >Donna, > Try your local masonry supply. There are a myriad of colors >available for mixing with mortar, and I'm sure that they would work >also >with concrete. Good luck! > Karl > >---------- >> From: cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA >> To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM >> Subject: stepping stones >> Date: Monday, July 15, 1996 5:31 PM >> >> Could anyone tell me if there is something to add to concrete to >change >> the color, I would like to try to make some stepping stones, also >what >> kind of cement would you use, I have tried to find the answers in >the >> archives but can't, hope someone can help, Thanks Donna.hr >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:47:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufwQ8-0000d2a; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:47 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199607152251.XAA21087@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Assuming you are making stepping stones from scratch; Thickness, minimum 1.5 - 2 inches. 1 part ordinary Portland cement 3 parts washed sharp sand. Colours: Mortar colouring pigments, available at any good Builders' Merchant ( remember colours go paler when dry. Also not to use more pigment powder than cement, or mix will become brittle when dry. You should also be able to obtain WHITE coloured cement - rather than the ordinary grey coloured). If you suffer from frost in winter, also suggest you add a water-proofing agent. minimum of water, just enough so that the mix doesn't fall apart when you squeeze it into a hard ball. Compact the mix very hard into your mould & allow to set and dry. Hopefully, you will now have your coloured stepping stones. Good luck! Elisabeth & Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 16:09:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufwl7-0000dTa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 16:08 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Nashville show Date: 15 Jul 96 17:45:13 EDT Message-ID: <960715214513_70544.3642_JHD135-2@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >That is still in the future, right? I took my brochure in to share with my >teacher, and never think about it except when I'm 20 miles away. Mary, The Nashville show -- AGSA's Source'96 -- is not too far in the future ... in fact, it starts day after tomorrow, the 17th. Hope you can make it! Be sure to stop by and say hi to Jay Petersen, who's a member of the Guild's Board of Directors. He'll be there with back issues and brochures. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ Oops! I see Stephanie has already answered you. Well, say hi to Jay, anyway! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 17:11:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufxiU-0000XSa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 17:10 PDT X-Path: light.lightlink.com!sharrow From: "Ray Sharrow" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Sheets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199607160010.UAA29366@light.lightlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hi all, > What I am trying to work out is, how to obtain Health and Safety Data Sheets via the > Internet. > Elisabeth 'n Toby Monona Rossol, who is a regular contributor here is an authority on Health and Safety issues. I don't know her email address, but maybe she'll see your post. Or perhaps someone else knows how to contact her ****************************************************************************************************************** Descartes walks into a bar, orders a martini. He drinks it down. The bartender says, "Another?" Descartes replies "I think not," and disappears. ****************************************************************************************************************** *************************************** ** ALL CATEGORICAL STATEMENTS ARE FALSE. ** *************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 17:17:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufxpC-0000d6a; Mon, 15 Jul 96 17:17 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul15.161531.0> References: <<1996Jul15.73124.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA wrote: > > Could anyone tell me if there is something to add to concrete to change > the color, I would like to try to make some stepping stones, also what > kind of cement would you use, I have tried to find the answers in the > archives but can't, hope someone can help, Thanks Donna.hr > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i heard food coloring will change the color of cement. as for the type of cement, i forget. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 17:51:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufyL6-0000fNa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 17:50 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Date: 15 Jul 96 20:48:24 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.04824.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Monona Rossol, who is a regular contributor here is an authority on >Health and Safety issues. I don't know her email address, but maybe >she'll see your post. Or perhaps someone else knows how to contact her I just gave her a call, alerting her to the MSDS concerns here. Of course, she's swamped, as usual, but promised to make an appearance tonight. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 17:51:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufyL7-0000fLa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 17:50 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Date: 15 Jul 96 20:48:27 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.04827.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Elisabeth! Those suppliers are *required to furnish the MSDSs. If you don't mind making waves, just tell them that if they can't (won't) furnish them, you'll just have to report that to the proper authorities. I'm sure Monona's going to jump in here soon with the names/addresses of the "proper authorities," too. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 19:08:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ufzY5-0000SHa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 19:07 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Karynne814 From: Karynne814@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <960715211838_156825275@emout08.mail.aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please unsubscribe Karynne814@aol.com. Thank you. Karynne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 21:38:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug1tZ-0000Gwa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 21:38 PDT X-Path: odc.net!arowhead From: Robert Burmester To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass paints, stains, and other surface treatments Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:34:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul14.143419.0> References: <<1996Jul15.7375.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Digital Odyssey Internet Services Precedence: bulk LMCMILLAN@ACDM.RDC.AB.CA wrote: > > I am looking for suitable materials and supplier for > applying color to glass. > > I have heard of a type of dye (?) that is applied > to the surface of glass that has been pretreated > by acid etching. The item is then baked at a low > temperature to set the stain. Can anyone help me on this? > > I am also interested in any other glass coloring > that can withstand the heat from a candle burning > very close to it. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassWe carry a product called Deka paint. It is a transparent paint for glass and it does not need to be fired. I comes in a .7 oz bottle and can be applied either by brush or by sprayer. Not able to answer your question about withstanding heat as I don't know what temperature it would be subjected to. Call me at 1-800 854 1696 if you have further questions. Bob Burmester Arrowhead Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 22:19:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug2WM-0000fQa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 22:18 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Date: 16 Jul 96 01:07:51 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.5751.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby, >>Am currently helping a friend ( artist and former art teacher) putting a >>legal case together for compensation concerning damaged health at work.<< I advise lawyers and do expert witness on a lot of these cases. But I'm assuming from your address that you are in the UK. Our laws are quite different. In any case, I'd be glad to talk to you about it if you need technical advice. >>We have put a list together of possible contributory products. Some of >>these are UK products, some global. ( e.g. ceramic glazes, adhesives, spray >>fixatives, spray paints, hot fumes, cleaning agents and so on) What I am >>trying to work out is, how to obtain Health and Safety Data Sheets via the >>Internet (for speed, reliability and efficiency -<< You can almost forget this as an option. THere are a number of companies that have their MSDSs on line and there are Hazard Data Sheets on individual chemicals from various state and federal governmental agencies. But what you need is VERY DIFFERENT. You need the MSDSs that were issued by each individual product manufacturer AT THE TIME OF THE INJURY. Products change in composition often. You can't go to court with MSDSs whose dates of issuance are not consistent with period of time over which the injury occurred. In the case of chronic illnesses, you may need more than one MSDS on some products. >>I COULD write to each individual company, but might then run the risk of >>a) being "fobbed off", b) having to wait for months for reply and c) >>possibly being sent totally wrong/inappropriate info). << Exactly. That's how the companies will protect themselves. In this country lawyers can subpoena the information or get it on discovery. But I don't know what the process is in the UK. JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR OUR U.S. LURKERS: If your friend was an employed teacher in the U.S. and was made ill on the job, her school should have had MSDSs on all these products all along. Not only that, if the MSDS at the time of injury was different than the current MSDS, they still should have a copy of the old one in their files. Under the OSHA Hazard Communication Standards (29 CFR 1910.1200--or any equivalent state law) the employer (school) is not allowed to throw them away for 30 years. And if the school does not have all the MSDSs, in many states, this can be considered evidence of negligence. >>The lawyers have rather left the onus on my friend to do this task.<< The only worker's comp cases I have ever seen won were those in which the injured party did all the work. In fact, the only product liability and personal injury cases I have seen won have been won by the Plaintiff personally--the lawyers (except for two good ones I know) ranged between superfluous and an outright hinderance. I am always stunned by how well industry has convinced the public in the U.S. that there are too many frivolous lawsuits. While there are a couple of spectacular examples they point to, the fact is that vast numbers of injured people don't have the smarts, the energy, or the money to get justice. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 23:33:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug3gl-0000eXa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 23:32 PDT X-Path: prodigy.com!XLBR14A From: XLBR14A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT A SIGMON) To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: stepping stones Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 02:25:03, -0500 Message-ID: <199607160625.CAA18750@mime3.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Building supply companies (Home Depot, Builders Square, local lumber yards) all carry brands like Quikcrete. Use their sand (topping mix) as a mortar and regular quikcrete for the remainder of the body reinforced with a hardware wire. Be sure to mix relatively dry as others have stated. Colorants are available at these same locations. Portland Cement and white silica sand is best for a real white color. Hope that this helps. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 23:34:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug3hA-0000ZQa; Mon, 15 Jul 96 23:33 PDT X-Path: ix.metcom.com!vnunit1 From: Teresa Vaughn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lots of mail! (failures) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:24:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul15.162450.0> References: <<1996Jul12.0389.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Juile Thomson wrote: >(snip) > (1) MAIL FAILURE > > The "Mail Failure" messages are coming to us because there is someone (apparantly > klivesay@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU) who was on this mailing list but their user ID has been > discontinued on their system (like when an account gets "nuked"). The postmaster is > NOT a person... it is an automatic account on every system that deals with mail > problems (ie. undeliverable mail). It is set up to tell the sender that there were > problems transmitting the mail. Of course, each message sent out on the mailing list > is sent to the nonexistant account thus a reply is sent to the mailing list saying > that the account doesn't exist which then goes BACK to the nonexistant account > (because it's on the list) and so on... a never ending circle. > > (2) UNDELIVERABLE MAIL > > The undeliverable mail problem (Returned from: <76500.1232@CompuServe.COM>) is due > to the stupidity of Compuserve ... if you have an account there then you know that > you have to PAY for your mailbox space. That is, you pay for every single piece of > mail that you receive into your mailbox -- if you have only prepaid to a certain > amount of space, then you are limited to that space and any mail exceeding your > prepaid volume will be "returned to sender". Here we have the same problem as above: > the mail is returned to the list, the list contains the address of the person with > the full mailbox so they receive it again, return it, etc, etc, etc. > > Our only hope is that (1) Glenda returns to remove klivesay@MSPO4.MED.UTMB.EDU from > the glass mailing list, and (2) 76500.1232@CompuServe.COM cleans out his/her > mailbox!!!!! > > (note - by sending this message I will generate lots of mail to all of you. I > apologize, but wanted you all to know that it is not a malicious "mail bomber" who > has generated all this excess mail.) Thanks for the enlightenment. I knew there was a frustrating, but logical answer for the sudden mail failures. Teresa Color It Glass! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 23:41:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug3oa-00004Ta; Mon, 15 Jul 96 23:41 PDT X-Path: ix.metcom.com!vnunit1 From: Teresa Vaughn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 23:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul15.163130.0> References: <<1996Jul13.1658.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > Hi All, > > Having recently become addicted to IRC, I was wondering if anyone would > be interested in getting together in our own channel. My plans are to > start a channel and to install a friendly 'bot to hold it for us. Please > let me know via personal e-mail or through bungi if you would be > interested in joining a stained glass chat group. >(snip) I am interested! We used to have an informal chat on AOL and I have really missed it since moving to a broader system. Be sure to post the channel name on the list! Teresa Color It Glass! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 02:14:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug69w-0000hKa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 02:11 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Nashville show Date: 16 Jul 96 05:09:34 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.9934.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Thanks for the tip, Albert. I haven't forgotten my promise to join up as >soon as you got charge card capability. I'm just a little strapped for >cash this month (car insurace: GRRRRR) and I hate to let anything ride at >18% interest. Will email those details soon, though. Tips 'R us, you know. No problem. We announced charge card capability a couple of weeks ago, would love to have you join, of course, and have set it all up on the website, too! http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/app.htm Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ P.S. I hate auto insurance, too, until someone backs out of a parking space right into the side of my car. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 02:14:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ug69w-0000g9a; Tue, 16 Jul 96 02:11 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Date: 16 Jul 96 05:09:37 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.9937.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Albert, are you sure that the MSDS regs are the same for the UK? Uh, no. Sorry. They must have rules of some sort, of course, but not the same rules. I'm sure, though, that if you posted a list of the products or items involved, some help might be forthcoming from people here. In fact, if you'd email me privately such a list, I'll include it in a special edition of the IGGA NEWS MEMO! online and, if you include your mailing address and fax, we might be able to conjure up the very papers you need. >Will the humorless Monona have a handle on British authorities? Better she >should offer to fax or mail the info. Humorless? Our Monona? Nah, she and I laugh all the time, although sometimes through tears, given the subject. Is she serious? You bet. To her, the health and safety of actors, artists and craftspeople is not only important, it's vital, in the absolute sense of the word. She's all of those things, too, actress, artist and craftsperson, and highly knowledgeable on safety, as well. Unfortunately, sometimes some people (not you, of course) forget that it's not the messenger they're supposed to shoot. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 08:03:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugBbl-00003qa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 08:00 PDT X-Path: palace.org!coliseum!lacarne From: coliseum!lacarne@palace.org (La Carne) To: Glass@Bungi.Com Subject: Who are you? Date: Sat, 13 Jul 96 21:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <1996Jul13.21340.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Coliseum BBS Precedence: bulk I was just wondering how old you are? La Carne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 08:21:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugBtk-0000dZa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 08:18 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul16.7178.0> References: <<1996Jul13.21340.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk La Carne wrote: > > I was just wondering how old you are? > > La Carne > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass how old who is? ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 09:07:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugCbx-0000fla; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:04 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:05:59 -0400 Message-ID: <9607161605.AA00728@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >La Carne wrote: >> >> I was just wondering how old you are? >> >> La Carne >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >how old who is? > >---Mike Savad Mike, Maybe all of us???????????? pj >---- > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 09:28:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugCvj-0000fOa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:24 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Health & Safety Data Sheets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:06:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199607161629.RAA09303@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Am overwhelmed by the input from you all so far. Special thanks to Stephanie, Mary, Ray, Albert (..haven't forgotten...) and our very valued Monona (am sending you separate E-mail). You may have gathered that the Legal Action is against the School, rather than individual manufacturers. It's going to be a long, protracted "hassle", which might well take a year or so to settle. My friend is simply too ill herself to cope. I have always been a "sucker for Under-dogs", so I have become the "main engine" pulling this thing to a destination. My request is also aimed longer-term to you; anything you come across on the Internet concerning occupational health & safety, please keep me posted. It's true that the laws are different "across the Pond" from what they are in the US, but it's also true that whatever legal innovation happens there, sooner or later happens here too (a noteable point in case - the legal profession is now even about to adopt a "no result - no fee" principle over here. Totally preposterous thought, until very recently... and what examples are being quoted??? The USA, of course!) Occupational Health and Safety in the UK was really at a medeival stage 30 years ago. My very first contact with Health and Safety at Work issues here in the UK I only met when I joined E.I. Du Pont de Nemours as an employee in London, now well over 30 years ago. My Contract of Employment (then) contained 3 reasons for instant dismissal without recourse/redress and ONE of them was violating any of the Company's Health & Safety Rules. The safety training, the safety courses I had to attend were regarded by my Non-Du Pont friends as ridiculous and crazy. However, I am very grateful for my courses on electrical wiring, lifting and heavy object handling courses, as well as for my special driving courses with the police that Du Pont insisted I attended and paid for . I am not "plugging" Du Pont here, only making the point that I am much aware of American health & safety standards & thinking and am sufficiently aware and interested to follow anomolies between "here" and "there", watching trends and devolopments quite closely. Overe here 1) Shops & suppliers do not HAVE to carry Health & Safety Data Sheets on products they sell. The "good" ones do, but they are not required by law. 2) Libraries and Reference Libraries here restrict themselves to keep names and addresses of manufacturers and names of products, Registered Trade Name Products, but not the Health & Safety Data Sheets themselves. 3) Ditto for the Government Body "The Health and Safety Executive", which I suppose is the equivalent to your "OSHA" (?) Theis body too, refers you back to the individual manufacturers. 4)The Manufacturers themselves ARE legally obliged to supply Data Sheets, but can stall, fob you off, mis-direct you, mis-inform you, send you the wrong info - especially if they think THEIR neck MIGHT be on the line. 5) Any workplace of any description in the UK which has more than 5 people working , must by law have a dedicated Health & Safety Officer who has undergone government approved Health & safety training. As this costs money, many companies are less than honest about carrying out this policy. As the number of people employed at the site increases, the duties, responsibilities for health & safety expertise and training increases. There appear to be 3 exceptions to this law; a) anyone working for the Royal Household, b) hospitals and c) educational establishments. (The last two I find absolutely amazing!! and positively stone-age!!) My friend spent 10 years as Head of an Art Department that positively thrived and blossomed in her hands. The art projects she got her students to do won many prizes both locally and regionally. The school has about 50 - 60 teachers, there are about 800 - 900 pupils attending, plus Further Education students, evening classes. The School also hires its premises and facilities out for business, conference etc purposes. It's got ONE Health and Safety Officer who is totally untrained, totally uninterested and who admits taking on the "title" (if not the job) "by Default". The Art Department is fully equipped for dedicated pottery work, a number of fixed hand-turned and electric pottery wheels, with a separate kiln room housing 3 kilns, wood-working, painting areas, clay storage areas, glass & glazes area, and a number of electrical and hand tools, as well as storage areas for drying, preparation and display of work. She spent about 60-70 hours a week preparing, finishing, humping, tidying, screaming at kids, as well as supervising other art teachers in department. All of these areas have never been cleaned properly for the last 10 years (money being the main obstacle, ignorance a second, priorities and budget competition a third, lack of anxilliary staff a fourth, lack of health and safety implementation a fifth, lack of good top-management a sixth). The Department in its entirety is also open-plan, constructed like a wind-tunnel, with no mechanical or electrical air extraction , air-filtering system. My friend developed asthma and chronic lung congestion and has had to take early retirement on grounds of ill health. I have spent 3 years physically carrying her up and down stairs, feeding her, taking her to one specialist/hospital Medical Consultant after another. She was only 50 at the time. The school turns round and says "it's got nothing to do with us - it's her age"..... She is now facing poor health for the rest of her life, a government state pension of about $150/week and nothing else. I guess I am just very angry and want to see justice done. I also have to be very cool about it and make sure I can make the case "stick". I have managed to get the lawyers of the Teachers' Union over here sufficiently interested to take on her case (The Union pays). At the moment they agree that as the UK Law stands she has got a 51/49 chance to succeed. I want to pull out all the plugs to increase the odds. If I can't win her case on strictly LEGAL grounds, I will certainly make sure I win it on MORAL grounds. (This is what is the saving grace about UK law, that points of morality and human justice DOES count). Hence YOUR input is of IMMENSE value!! Thank you all. Please keep it coming..... Anything at all, however crazy / "cranky" ....Elisabeth is on a VIKING CRUSADE..... (She ain't going to lose!) Oh shit, this is long...sorry.. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 09:35:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugD3J-0000epa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:32 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul16.2294.0> References: <<1996Jul16.04827.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. Just a suggestion about getting MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets). If there is a manufacturing industry in the vicinity which operates under OSHA guidelines, you can probably call the Health and Safety Office of that company. Many or most will have MSDS sheets "on-line" from either a subscriber or the mother company. Also, military bases will have access to on-line MSDS at their technical libraries. Good Luck. P. Johnsen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 09:42:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugDAl-0000era; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:40 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:27:05 PST Message-ID: <1996Jul16.19275.0> References: <<9607161605.AA00728@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm 41 and proud of that fact. Still damn good looking too. I saw my reflection in the stained glass looking mirrow. Mary On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:05:59 -0400 artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) writes: >>La Carne wrote: >>> >>> I was just wondering how old you are? >>> >>> La Carne >>> >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >>how old who is? >> >>---Mike Savad > >Mike, > > >Maybe all of us???????????? > >pj >>---- >> >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 09:59:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugDRC-0000WCa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 09:57 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? (Totally frivolous!!) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:41:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199607161705.SAA11278@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:05:59 -0400 Reply-to: glass@bungi.com >La Carne wrote: >> >> I was just wondering how old you are? >> >> La Carne >how old who is? > >---Mike Savad Mike, Maybe all of us???????????? pj >---- - I don't normally re-quote quotes, but this one really "caught" me. Are we ALL going to have a one big "confessional" here...??? For the hell of it...?? Come on Mike, come on "PJ", "La Carne", ... own up.... Which side of the "Half-Century" ; the earlier or the later??? Toby is on the "early" side, I am only JUST on the later (by 6 weeks)..., but then HE has got 4 legs, I have only got 2. Further Quotes: A person is only worth knowing once they've hit 35; ....Life begins at 40; ..."sweet sixteen"..; ..."All those who said that life begins at 40 were lying" (said by one who just hit 60);..... Age is "mind over matter" - if you don't mind, it doesn't matter....; "As you get older you find that it's not a question that you can do less - it's a matter of that you need more time doing it - but then your enjoyment lasts so much longer".......; "America is a society riddled with "ageism"...; "UK is a society copying the American attitude of ageism..."; "you are as old as you feel..."; ...."Before God , a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day..." (Icelandic National Anthem); "The clock, Time, Age - is man-made; the World, Universe, is not..." Howzat...??!! Elisabeth 'n Toby (in a frivolous mood) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 10:18:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugDj8-0000jLa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:16 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 13:09:43 EDT Message-ID: <960716.131054.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<9607161605.AA00728@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How old all of us are in total? Older than the rose windows in Notre Dame? -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 10:57:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugELH-0000hpa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:55 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Who are you? Date: 16 Jul 96 13:53:29 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.175329.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I was just wondering how old you are? La Carne, Old enough to know better, too young to care. Why? Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 10:57:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugELK-0000ZOa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 10:55 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Health & Safety Data She Date: 16 Jul 96 13:53:31 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul16.175331.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, Not to worry about the length of your posts. At least they don't contain the entire content of any previous posts! You're a saint (is there a Ste. Elisabeth already?) for going to bat (to use an Americanism) for your friend and I'm sure everyone here will join me in wishing her better health and you the equivalent of St. George's sword as you sally forth to slay the dragon. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 11:05:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugESi-0000fFa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 11:03 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul16.85844.0> References: <<1996Jul13.21340.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk La Carne wrote: > > I was just wondering how old you are? > > La Carne > ok. i'm 23 and have been doing stained glass for 14 years. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 11:20:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugEi0-0000j7a; Tue, 16 Jul 96 11:18 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass paints, stains, and other surface treatments Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199607161815.NAA06036@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:34 PM 7/14/96 -0700, Robert Burmester wrote: >LMCMILLAN@ACDM.RDC.AB.CA wrote: >> >> I am looking for suitable materials and supplier for >> applying color to glass. >> >> I have heard of a type of dye (?) that is applied >> to the surface of glass that has been pretreated >> by acid etching. The item is then baked at a low >> temperature to set the stain. Can anyone help me on this? >> >> I am also interested in any other glass coloring >> that can withstand the heat from a candle burning >> very close to it. >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassWe carry a product called Deka paint. It is a transparent paint for >glass and it does not need to be fired. I comes in a .7 oz bottle and >can be applied either by brush or by sprayer. Not able to answer your >question about withstanding heat as I don't know what temperature it >would be subjected to. Call me at 1-800 854 1696 if you have further >questions. > >Bob Burmester >Arrowhead Stained Glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Hey Bob, Great idea... just paint the color on Wow!! Then you could use Decra-Led to finish the sucker off. Nobody would ever know the difference. ;) By the way... Do you know how much Stained Glass Overlay franchises are going for these days? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 13:58:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugHBh-0000aMa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 13:57 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? (Totally frivolous!!) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <9607162059.AA15383@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Who are you? >Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 12:05:59 -0400 >Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > >Elisabeth 'n Toby (in a frivolous mood)wrote (and i won't copy it all)........................ >---- >- >I don't normally re-quote quotes, but this one really "caught" me. >Are we ALL going to have a one big "confessional" here...??? For the >hell of it...?? Come on Mike, come on "PJ", "La Carne", ... own up.... >Which side of the "Half-Century" ; the earlier or the later??? Elisabeth, I don't remember how old I am... But we've had a glass studio for over 20 some years. Now as Mike said he was 23..................................................................and I'm not.. . my best, pj > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 15:04:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugIEC-0000dva; Tue, 16 Jul 96 15:04 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: PARTY TIME!!!!! Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul16.114119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk Hey Gang! I am pleased to announce that we have our own Internet Relay Chat room up and running. I've got my little pal in there holding it open for anyone here who wishes to drop by and chat about glass or anything else. The room can be found in the EFNET Network at #StainedGlass. I will be there often in the evenings to make sure all is well AND to make sure my little pal is not sleeping on the job. Drop by if you can!! :) ======================= P A R T Y T I M E ! ! !====================== I would like to invite you all to a Cyber Pool Party and Bar-B-Que being held in the chat room on Sunday, July 21 starting around 5:00 Central Time. Dust off those glass splinters and come on by...the dress is casual and bring your own lawn chairs and drinks. HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE!!!! Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. P.S. Please private E-mail me if you have any questions about the channel, the party or if you wish to help with the preparations. ;) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 15:24:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugIXc-0000dUa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 15:24 PDT X-Path: aristotle.net!rwsmith From: Rebecca Smith To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: How old ? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:39:24 -0500 Message-ID: <2.2.16.19960716162249.22a74336@aristotle.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi to whomever asked that question: Like a fine wine, I am old enough to be perfection, yet young young to add a kick. All that is relevant is the frame of mind. Rebecca Smith (rwsmith@aristotle.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 17:39:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugKdI-0000Via; Tue, 16 Jul 96 17:38 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: PARTY TIME!!!!! Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 20:38:40 -0400 Message-ID: <9607170038.AA26820@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> >Shirley Suter >Grapeland, Tx. wrote: > >I am pleased to announce that we have our own Internet Relay Chat room >up and running. I've got my little pal in there holding it open for >anyone here who wishes to drop by and chat about glass or anything else. >The room can be found in the EFNET Network at #StainedGlass. I will be >there often in the evenings to make sure all is well AND to make sure my >little pal is not sleeping on the job. Drop by if you can!! :) > >======================= P A R T Y T I M E ! ! !====================== > >I would like to invite you all to a Cyber Pool Party and Bar-B-Que being >held in the chat room on Sunday, July 21 starting around 5:00 Central >Time. Dust off those glass splinters and come on by...the dress is >casual and bring your own lawn chairs and drinks. > > HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE!!!! I can't find you and Efnet is impossible to log onto!!!!! What efnet server????? do you use????? pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 17:57:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugKvL-0000N6a; Tue, 16 Jul 96 17:57 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Health &Safety Data Sheets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:41:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199607170105.CAA03308@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm sitting here, tears streaming down my face - you're a pretty wonderful crowd!! I'm a crusty hard cookie and am certainly no bloody saint. Yes, St Elisabeth DOES exist, she is the patron saint of Hungary (apart from Szt. Matyas (Matthew)), but I'm neither demure, nor have I got silky hands, nor have I a Habsburg nose... I'm just a bloody-minded Swede. But thank you Albert - and I like the elegant way you got out of the "age" question - I plain forgot that quote - which leaves us none the wiser... I think I started a smile.... I do enjoy putting the cat amongst the pigeons, sometimes. Come on the rest of you - own up....!!! Matt; thank you. Will contact Washington first thing tomorrow morning; Peggy; have tried your avenue also (.. it's passing the buck-story, again) Christie and Stepanie: Thanks for your offer. Yea, the problem is (perhaps not a problem at all..?) I have a list of 70 specific products, under 7 different headings: 1)Aerosol sprays ( fixing, varnishing, glueing) 2) Spray paints 3) Glues 4) Commercial paints 5) Dyes, paints & printing inks 6) Cleaning Agents 7) Miscellaneous (e.g.heated cutting tools, wood cutting tools for cutting mahogny and other hard-woods, casting resins, plaster, dental plaster, acrylic texture gel, oil primers for canvas, acrylic retarders, powdered ceramic glazes, oil pastels, "supercast" instant paier masche, chalk pastels and so on). It's quite a task... The "Gods" at the Brompton Hospital in London (Which is the absolute final authority in Britain on Asthma and respiratory diceases) have just spent an entire day dragging my friend through every single respiratory, asthma, lung function test under the sky. I am bowing and scraping to Professor this and that; "Sir" this and whats-it. It was for them that I have spent 2 weeks of night and day dragging together, researching, this list together.. GOT IT! Well done, they say - , we are very sympathetic, we firmly believe you've got a case; CAN you supply us with the relevant Health and Safety Data Sheets.... The rest is history....(only to have my nose rubbed in again by the Teachers' Union Lawyer with the same request..) Are you still "game", Stephanie and Christie...? "Going to bat" Albert, is a moot point in Britain, as it applies to the terribly British pursuit of cricket (which is totally incomprehensible to me). At the moment - however - the Brits are not making much success of it - it's a bit of a "dog's dinner"...... The law for retailers in the USA is different from the law for retailers in the UK (HERE: "stay cool man, we're only SELLING the stuff on THEIR behalf; any problems, contact THEM. ".... we don't want to know...) Perhaps I should re-name this subject to "Project Susan". I must add that for the last seven years she has "vetted" my stained glass drawings, helped me to draw hands & feet, details of flowers, criticized my perspectives, taken me to exhibitions (where I often had to physically carry her), encouraged me to strike out and "sail" out into the unknown with my own style & colour philosophies that has won me a number of stained glass prizes in UK and Europe..... Thank you all - please keep ideas coming, because I want to "beat the buggers". Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 18:00:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugKyI-0000Wja; Tue, 16 Jul 96 18:00 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: How old ? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:44:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199607170108.CAA03439@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Smith To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: How old ? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:39:24 -0500 Reply-to: glass@bungi.com Hi to whomever asked that question: Like a fine wine, I am old enough to be perfection, yet young young to add a kick. All that is relevant is the frame of mind. Rebecca Smith (rwsmith@aristotle.net) Yea, good on you - absolutely love it. ... and how old is a "kick"....? Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 18:35:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugLVT-0000a1a; Tue, 16 Jul 96 18:34 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Who are you? Date: 16 Jul 96 21:29:03 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul17.1293.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>I was just wondering how old you are?<< Were you now! And I am wondering why you are wondering. I was raised in show business back when this question was considered downright rude. I remember when I left home and entered the University, I was astounded to find line on the application form asking for my parents' ages. I wondered how anyone was expected to obtain this privileged information. Many years later my parents began telling people their ages---when they were so old it was something to brag about. Let me answer you this way: I'm not yet old enough to brag. >>La Carne<< Beef? lamb? chili? As the Buddhist saying goes: Say your age, and you'll be it. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 20:35:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugNNx-0000WJa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 20:34 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health &Safety Data Sheets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 04:19:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199607170343.EAA10666@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri (and all); Thanks for your E-mail and support. Just cannot tell you what a lift it gives me. "Who is Toby"?? Braybark Toby Tobias is my sleeping partner; you will/can meet him on my homepage. He sleeps a lot.... My computer "guru" started him off for me as a "security buffer" (guru terribly protective about the "fairer sex" - little does he know...) and a perfect English Gentleman. Braybark Toby Tobias is generation No. 3 of a family of Old English Sheepdog (in the US, you call them Bobtail, I think); very shaggy, very big, very physical and a total clown. His great uncle and great aunt are buried under flourishing trees in my garden. Braybark Toby Tobias is a mere 6 stone baby and now 3 years old; his great uncle was 8 stone, slim, gentle and very protective. In the early 80's I was "bludgeoned" to virtually minced meat in London by a drug addict and spent 2 years in a London specialist Eye hospital where surgeons fought tooth and nail to save my eye sight. They succeeded and Trooper the FIRST OES became my first constant companion, followed by Victoria (his sister). Toby Tobias is their great nephew, without whom I don't move an inch in London. My eyes are perfectly OK, I can see ... and don't I just ENJOY it!!! I too live on my own, in a very rural setting; but I move about a lot in the UK with my sleeping partner who has one eye shut and the other very closely in touch with where I am, where I move, where I go and who talks to me. I have never allowed my experience to intimidate me to meet new people, make new friends, make more stained glass. My gentle "back-up team" helps me to keep perspective on life and nature. Hope that answers your question.... Elisabeth 'n Toby.... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 21:34:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugOJ6-0000ita; Tue, 16 Jul 96 21:33 PDT X-Path: odc.net!arowhead From: Robert Burmester To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass paints, stains, and other surface treatments Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul15.14302.0> References: <<199607161815.NAA06036@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Digital Odyssey Internet Services Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > At 09:34 PM 7/14/96 -0700, Robert Burmester wrote: > >LMCMILLAN@ACDM.RDC.AB.CA wrote: > >> > >> I am looking for suitable materials and supplier for > >> applying color to glass. > >> > >> I have heard of a type of dye (?) that is applied > >> to the surface of glass that has been pretreated > >> by acid etching. The item is then baked at a low > >> temperature to set the stain. Can anyone help me on this? > >> > >> I am also interested in any other glass coloring > >> that can withstand the heat from a candle burning > >> very close to it. > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassWe carry a product called > Deka paint. It is a transparent paint for > >glass and it does not need to be fired. I comes in a .7 oz bottle and > >can be applied either by brush or by sprayer. Not able to answer your > >question about withstanding heat as I don't know what temperature it > >would be subjected to. Call me at 1-800 854 1696 if you have further > >questions. > > > >Bob Burmester > >Arrowhead Stained Glass > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > Hey Bob, > > Great idea... just paint the color on Wow!! Then you could use Decra-Led to > finish the sucker off. Nobody would ever know the difference. ;) > > By the way... Do you know how much Stained Glass Overlay franchises are > going for these days? > > Len > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassLen, I suspect you would. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 22:12:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugOtb-0000JVa; Tue, 16 Jul 96 22:11 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: PARTY TIME!!!!! Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:48:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul16.184844.0> References: <<9607170038.AA26820@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk pj friend wrote: > I can't find you and Efnet is impossible to log onto!!!!! > What efnet server????? do you use????? Hi PJ I usually use one of these: irc.cdc.net irc.chat.org The second is a hunt group of about 50 different servers and automatically logs you on the least busy server. Give either a try. Let me know if I can be of further assistance, and I look forward to chatting with you in the near future. Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 02:43:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugT6v-0000Yca; Wed, 17 Jul 96 02:41 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Subject: Health &Safety Data Sheets Date: 17 Jul 96 05:35:28 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul17.93528.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well Susan, just send me the list and I'll see what my retailer has. If anything matches, I'll make a copy & send it to you. I'll need your snail mail address to do this. Send it to me at 104344.622@compuserve.com via private email. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 03:02:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugTQa-0000UXa; Wed, 17 Jul 96 03:01 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Health &Safety Data Shee Date: 17 Jul 96 06:00:02 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul17.1002.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, I'm still looking into it, but a quick check of the Web using the altavista search engine turned up about 10,000 responses to the query "MSDS" -- it'll take some doing, but you might discover much of what you need that way. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 04:51:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugV88-0000G8a; Wed, 17 Jul 96 04:51 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Health &Safety Data Shee Date: 17 Jul 96 07:49:11 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul17.114911.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I'm still looking into it, but a quick check of the Web using the >altavista search engine turned up about 10,000 responses to the query >"MSDS" -- it'll take some doing, but you might discover much of what you >need that way. Elisabeth, An afterthought or two: I should have said how to access the altavista engine. I heard about it only the other day and have found it to be the fastest, most comprehensive search tool yet. You can access it by using your web browser and going to http://www.altavista.digital.com At the first screen, enter "MSDS" and click on "Search." Almost immediately, you'll begin getting lists of references to other sites, some of them *databases of MSDSs, and I wouldn't be surprised if you can, within those databases, search for the items you need by product or chemical name, as well as their dates of issuance. This is certainly one of the most powerful aspects of the web. The fact that such information will be (is) available and that one can find and *use it without leaving one's desk is terrific, I think. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 05:29:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugViX-0000M4a; Wed, 17 Jul 96 05:28 PDT X-Path: po.cwru.edu!txh4 From: txh4@po.cwru.edu (Theodore P.Hasenstaub) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Etching Help Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:17:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199607171228.IAA19112@babar.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I remember reading an article that explained how you could make etching stencils and apply them to glass by using your laser printer. Does anyone remember seeing this article. Or does anyone Know how this is accomplished? Thank you. Sincerely, Ted ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 08:24:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugYRs-000033a; Wed, 17 Jul 96 08:23 PDT X-Path: MMAC.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM!Rund#m#_Sharen From: "Rund, Sharen" To: glass@Bungi.Com Subject: RE: Who are you? Date: 17 Jul 1996 08:24:17 U Message-ID: <1996Jul17.02417.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>I was just wondering how old you are?<< >Were you now! And I am wondering why you are wondering. > >I was raised in show business back when this question was considered downright >rude. I remember when I left home and entered the University, I was astounded >to find line on the application form asking for my parents' ages. I wondered >how anyone was expected to obtain this privileged information. as Mae West (I believe it was) used to say... age is a number I don't give out ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 11:00:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugatB-0000jna; Wed, 17 Jul 96 10:59 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: relavancy???? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 96 11:01:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199607171759.KAA21986@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- How does "who are you" relate to the on going education and passing of information on this list? Just my feeling and lack of interest in it. enjoy....H -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 15:18:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugeur-0000p0a; Wed, 17 Jul 96 15:17 PDT X-Path: execpc.com!kshawkey From: kshawkey@execpc.com (Curt & Karen Shawkey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: relavancy???? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <199607172217.RAA09102@mailgate.execpc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >-- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >How does "who are you" relate to the on going education and passing of >information on this list? >Just my feeling and lack of interest in it. >enjoy....H I am glad I am not the only one disappointed in the current discussion here. This newsgroup has been of value to me. Lets stay on the subject and we will all be better glass artists. Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 18:05:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ughWT-0000hba; Wed, 17 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: relavancy???? Date: 17 Jul 96 21:03:50 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul18.1350.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >mastering technology one byte at a time! Yeah, but there are 10 new bytes to get down every time I've finished mastering that one. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 18:08:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ughZI-0000lFa; Wed, 17 Jul 96 18:07 PDT X-Path: city.lethbridge.ab.ca!scottd From: Donald Scott To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: relavancy???? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:35:56 -0700 Message-ID: <31ED247C.5287@city.lethbridge.ab.ca> References: <<199607171759.KAA21986@desiree.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lethbridge Fire Department Precedence: bulk Elaine & Howard Rubin wrote: > > -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > How does "who are you" relate to the on going education and passing of > information on this list? > Just my feeling and lack of interest in it. > enjoy....H > -- On the one hand, I echo Howard's sentiments. These postings offer little relavency to the topic of stained glass and personnaly I would prefer to see more relavent postings. On the other hand however, it is not healthy to be serious all the time and it is easy to separate the grain from the chaff. (Understanding that each one of us has an opinion as to what is the grain and what is the chaff). Just a few thoughts. D. Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 18:20:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ughlC-0000OQa; Wed, 17 Jul 96 18:20 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Suncatcher Size Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:29:19 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960718002919.0067bff0@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for the on going advise during the construction of my hummingbird window hanging. All waxed and ready to go to it's new owner. Going to do a simple sun catcher next. It'll be a parrot and I want to know how large I can make it w/out it being too heavy to hang on a window w/ a suction cup??? Lorley in Phx ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 18:50:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugiDk-0000V1a; Wed, 17 Jul 96 18:49 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Decorative Soldering Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:49:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul17.14497.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk I saw some decorative soldering I've never seen before. It looked almost like 'diamond cut' solder finish; it had something like a rough but shiny finish. We use all sorts of patina and do decorative soldering, but I can't figure out how this would be done. I think the box top(it was a jewelry box) came from Haite. Can anyone help? Thanks, Ande(Check our prototype home page at www.earthlink.net/~ande) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 17 20:02:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugjKx-0000Y0a; Wed, 17 Jul 96 20:01 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: relavancy???? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 23:07:09 -0400 Message-ID: <199607180307.XAA29682@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > >mastering technology one byte at a time! > >Yeah, but there are 10 new bytes to get down every time I've finished mastering >that one. > >Albert > Hi Albert, I feel the same way most of the time, just want to thank you again for the tremendous amount of work you have done, including posting all the information on bungi.com for all of us to enjoy and use. Lee Boe >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 04:36:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugrNP-0000R2a; Thu, 18 Jul 96 04:36 PDT X-Path: netinfo.com.au!dmasters From: "David W. Masters" To: glass@bungi.com, ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) Subject: RE: Stained Glass the IRC Way Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 21:35:30 1100 Message-ID: <199607181135.VAA19999@wilma.netinfo.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, I would be interested in joining a Stained Glass chat channel. David Masters ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 05:00:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugrjn-0000LRa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 04:59 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie A. Wood" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Subject: Decorative Soldering Date: 18 Jul 96 07:55:40 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul18.115540.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ande wrote: Do you have the "Decorative Soldering" book by Trudy Thomas? Maybe what you were looking at was a hammered soldering effect. You might want to purchase a copy of this book, as it shows you how to do all sorts of soldering techniques. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 05:21:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugs4V-0000Dza; Thu, 18 Jul 96 05:20 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suncatcher Size Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 08:16:18 EDT Message-ID: <960718.081932.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<2.2.32.19960718002919.0067bff0@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I haven't a clue as to suncatcher size because I don't trust them for anything and don't recommend them. I've seen big suction cups fail with little suncatchers attached, so...I personally prefer to put a small brad or one of those thumb tack thingies with the high plastic tops (mind has gone blank) into the window frame and drop the suncatcher to the appropriate level with fish line. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 05:44:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugsQn-0000jya; Thu, 18 Jul 96 05:43 PDT X-Path: gnn.com!PhillRoey From: PhillRoey@gnn.com (Jerri Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suncatcher Size Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 08:47:03 Message-ID: <199607181243.IAA11671@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I personally prefer to put a small >brad or one of those thumb tack thingies with the high plastic tops >(mind has gone blank) into the window frame and drop the suncatcher to >the appropriate level with fish line. > >-- >Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 >UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 >HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu >---- Pushpins. I don't like suction cups either and use the same method. The fishing line is barely visible, so the lightcatcher looks as though it's suspended in air. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 07:06:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugthx-0000mva; Thu, 18 Jul 96 07:05 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suncatcher Size Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:03:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul18.6354.0> References: <<2.2.32.19960718002919.0067bff0@mail.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorley L. Oneyear wrote: > > Thanks to all for the on going advise during the construction of my > hummingbird window hanging. All waxed and ready to go to it's new owner. > Going to do a simple sun catcher next. It'll be a parrot and I want to know > how large I can make it w/out it being too heavy to hang on a window w/ a > suction cup??? Lorley in Phx > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think a standard suction cup only holds a pound or two. you'll have to pull down on the cup and see. it's not really the size, but the weight. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 07:08:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugtkc-0000nka; Thu, 18 Jul 96 07:08 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 10:06:39 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul18.6639.0> References: <<1996Jul17.14497.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ande wrote: > > I saw some decorative soldering I've never seen before. It looked > almost like 'diamond cut' solder finish; it had something like a rough but shiny > finish. We use all sorts of patina and do decorative soldering, but I > can't figure out how this would be done. > I think the box top(it was a jewelry box) came from Haite. Can anyone > help? > Thanks, > > Ande(Check our prototype home page at www.earthlink.net/~ande) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my guess without looking at it, it sounds like a hammered finish (where you tap the solder with a semi hot iron), then patinaed, then polished lightly, the top would be shiny and the divots would be dull. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 09:15:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugvia-0000c6a; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:14 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Tiffany Gardens II!!!!! Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 12:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607181614.MAA02165@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All! I am soooo *excited*! Today I received a copy of the new book "Tiffany Gardens II" featuring wonderful designs for stained glass stepping stones. Personally, I think it is much better than "Tiffany Gardens". It contains over 20 patterns for the 8" square and 14" round brick forms. There are 14" round border patterns that are interchangeable with the 8" square patterns for the centers. The best part?!!! The 14" round bricks can be used as table tops now because they have also introduced a new wrought-iron table. Since I'm not able to attend the Nashville tradeshow, it's fun to be able to preview new products before it actually starts. Call it a consolation prize. Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 09:58:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugwOf-0000NWa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 09:57 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health &Safety Data Sheets Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 09:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul18.25446.0> References: <<199607170105.CAA03308@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby. You are talking about MSDS sheets in general. Are there specific ones that you need? If not available, suggest you list the ingredients and go to OSHA's listing of hazardous materials to match the extent of hazardous items. This might help get started. MSDS sheets provide a lot more detail other than product ingredients, i.e., what safety measures should be taken, special clothing, what to do in event of an "incident", etc. We hope to follow your activities. Ultimately, we will all benefit by the information and outcome. Good luck. P. Johnsen. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 11:25:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugxkT-0000Vxa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 11:24 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suncatcher Size Date: Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:19:51 EDT Message-ID: <960718.142111.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<960718.081932.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gee, seeing my own message I realize that I implied that I don't trust suncatchers, whereas it is suction cups I don't trust. I just adore suncatchers! (and me an occasional writer) -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 13:36:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ugzly-0000bca; Thu, 18 Jul 96 13:34 PDT X-Path: awinc.com!jthomson From: Julie Thomson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Suction Cup Hint (was Suncatcher Size) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul18.63357.0> References: <<960718.081932.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu wrote: > I haven't a clue as to suncatcher size because I don't trust them for > anything and don't recommend them. I've seen big suction cups fail with > little suncatchers attached, so... I can finally share a hint! Instead of using water to adhere the suction cup to the window (which can evaporate then the cup falls off), use just a very small drop of salad oil on the back of the suction cup. This will not evaporate and should keep the suction cup up indefinitely. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 14:40:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uh0lg-0000nOa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 14:37 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: relavancy???? Date: 18 Jul 96 17:36:34 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul18.213634.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >just want to thank you again for the tremendous amount of work you have >done, including posting all the information on bungi.com for all of us to >enjoy and use. You're welcome, Lee. Hope it's helpful. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 15:54:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uh1ww-0000YDa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 15:53 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Job opportunity Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:53:16 -0700 Message-ID: <199607182253.PAA10063@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Our company which is located in the Chicago area is looking for a skilled art glass craftsperson. Proficiency at pattern cutting a must. Experience with leading and restoration would be nice. Please send any information to (Botti@ix.netcom.com) All inquiries will be considered. M.S. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 16:50:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uh2lj-0000mfa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 16:46 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suncatcher Size Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:30:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199607182352.AAA19985@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I don't trust suction cups either, but you can't always screw hooks and use nylon fishing wire either. Under certain circumstances what I advise people to do is, to use a couple of "blobs" of TRANSPARENT silicone rubber (it also comes in a form called "bath sealant" over here) between the previously cleaned window and the suncatcher (on the soldered copperfoil line, rather than on the glass itself). Hold the suncatcher in place with paper masking tape until the silicone rubber has set and dried. If you want to move it later on, just use a razor blade to separate sun catcher from glass pane. I have used this method to display even heavy leaded panels at semi-permanent exhibitions & displays. It is far less obtrusive than ugly suction pads and works a treat. Good Luck!! Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 17:34:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uh3Vj-0000nca; Thu, 18 Jul 96 17:33 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Decorative Soldering Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 20:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul18.13321.0> References: <<1996Jul18.115540.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > > almost like 'diamond cut' solder finish; it had something like a rough but shiny > finish. We use all sorts of patina and do decorative soldering, but I > can't figure out how this would be done. > I think the box top(it was a jewelry box) came from Haite. Can anyone > help?> > > Do you have the "Decorative Soldering" book by Trudy Thomas? Maybe what you > were looking at was a hammered soldering effect. You might want to purchase a > copy of this book, as it shows you how to do all sorts of soldering techniques. > > ...Christie > Thanks. I'll get the book. But this wasn't hammered; unless they used a pin. The finish was almost "granulated", like a satin finish. Ande ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 18:50:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uh4hG-0000iCa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 18:49 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: MSDS Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul18.174914.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Suddenly MSDS is also hot on another list (aromatherapy) Can't remember if I saw this material posted here, so excuse me if this is redundant. From OSHA's FAQ: Who provides Material Safety Data Sheets? OSHA does not prepare or dictate the specific statements to be included on material safety data sheets (MSDSs). Chemical manufacturers and importers of hazardous chemical products prepare MSDSs. They make the determinations as to what chemicals are covered within the context of the standard's requirements and design the MSDSs appropriately. MSDS On-line from University of Utah gopher://atlas.chem.utah.edu:70/11/MSDS OSHA's site points to a few other useful places. http://www.osha.gov ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 18 23:00:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uh8a2-0000loa; Thu, 18 Jul 96 22:58 PDT X-Path: sbceo.k12.ca.us!johnsen From: Wayne Johnsen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New Subscription Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul18.16225.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please add me to the group. W. E. Johnsen Santa Maria, CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 04:46:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhE0H-0000nVa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 04:45 PDT X-Path: sunams.usma.army.mil!yj3673 From: yj3673@sunams.usma.army.mil (McLaughlin John COL) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Youghiogheny Glass Date: Fri Jul 19 07:45:48 1996 Message-ID: <9607191145.AA19010@sunams.usma.army.mil> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have the phone number for Youghiogheny Glass? Thanks! John ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 05:47:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhExW-0000cMa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 05:47 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Youghiogheny Glass Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607191244.IAA07217@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have the phone number for Youghiogheny Glass? There number is 1-412-628-3000 Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 06:35:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhFhn-0000QTa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 06:34 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Health & Safety Data Sheets - Update Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:18:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199607191341.OAA28023@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: gl;ass@bungi.com Subject: Health & Safety Data Sheets - Update Reply-to: mail@northlights.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:29:25 Hi all, Guess I am pretty overwhelmed by all the wonderful support you have given me on and off the glass@bungi group. I't difficult not to get emotional here. I have been "flaying about" for months trying to get just ONE positive avenue to follow, and wooooshhh, it all happens at once. There are simply no nicer people than stained glass people (and that includes Howard...) I have spent the last 4 nights, solidly following up leads, ideas and suggestions and fallen into bed at around 03.30 - 4 o'clock in the morning every night. Health and Safety information on individual chemicals is fabulously presented by the University of Utah (Their alphabetical chemicals index list runs into 25 pages alone; each chemical has 4 pages of Healthy & Safety information (URL: gopher://gopher.chem.utah.edu:70/00/MSDS/msds-index). I was MOST impressed. How I wished we had such a site so easily accessible here "Across the Pond". [ By the way, on URL http://ohr.systoc.com/ohsa.htm , there are also a couple of treatises on Lead poisoning surveillance. I haven't had time to look at them - will do so later. Thought though I'd share them with you]. I spent all last night and morning burning the elastic band on my printer, printing off 100' and 100's of pages (which I am about to parcel off and send to the Union Solicitor). But as you know (or perhaps it really IS different in the USA), when you buy a product and look at the packaging to fathom what's actually IN the darned thing, the text becomes awfully non-precise (to put it politely). Therefore to isolate individual chemicals in any one particular product, is not always easy. And when you have a whole "cocktail" of chemicals in one particular product, and the potential chemical reactions interacting between them, the problem increases. Then you have the problem of household chemicals; (e.g. caustic soda, white spirit, methylated spirit, WD-40 lubricant, wallpaper paste [containing fungicides], impact adhesives, paint sprays [ with propellants - of course]. I have studied the long list of products that my friend has used in HER teaching & artistic career and realize that I myself have and am using about 75% of them myself. The difference being , I am neither proned to asthma, neither have I lung congestion, nor have I had double pnemonia, nor have I had to quit work because the work was making me ill, through someone else's negligence. Thank you Peggy, I am very actively following up your ideas too. A lot of my lists are filed and stored in correspondence with lawyers under my old DOS files. I need to re-work these and edit them, before I can send them on (Stephanie & Christie). In fact, I will probably end up faxing these to you, rather than via E-mail. Not being a chemist, I have to work out what the chemical name is for things like "propane", "butane" etc... and what on earth is "petroleum distillates"; and what does white spirit, methylated spirit contain...?? On a separate writing pad (again) is emerging technical questions (Thank you Monona!!!!), which I will address to you. There are a number of legal points here in the UK I will need to clarify first. I also need to follow up a few pointers that Albert (What a rock you are!!) has given me. By the way, I have printed off all your messages on this subject and put them into a special folder. I have shown them all to Susan - my friend in question. She knows even less about computers and the Internet than I do, but this afternoon she took herself off on a rare shopping expedition. She came back with 2 reams of printer paper as a present to me and asked me to say "thank you" to all of you. Her breathing problems are so severe that for her to carry 2 packets of paper from the shop to her car, was - she said - like carrying a ton of lead. She really thought she'd never make it... and we are in the 90's here!!! Karin you talk about rain!!... Come back English Winter - all is forgiven... Jerri, I WILL respond.... Toby sends his love... Thanks to you all, I have an immense workload ahead, but what FABULOUS and POSITIVE avenues you have given me...!!! WWWOOOOWWWW !!!!! Sorry Howard, if I fuelled the "how old are you" item; it was a light relief, brought some wonderful quotes, and brought some smiles on peoples' faces. A joke, a smile and a bit of humour - I think - DOES make us better artists, as well as better human beings; it also helps us all to get to know each other a little more. Sure, it isn't stained glass related in the strictest, theoretical sense. I stand accused and guilty, because I DID fuel this whole thing. It's only too easy to take life and all its barricades too seriously....and get "knotted up" about it. By the way, what is the chemical definition of plaster..(i.e. gypsum, plaster of Paris)...???? I am losing my computer for about 48 hours come Saturday ( being given more memory, more software, updated to Netscape 2 and a very exciting stained glass software drawing programme which I will share with you when I have had the chance to evaluate it...). Will leave you now, having about 30 letters to write to UK companies asking for Health & Safety Data Sheets. (Oh yeah, at a cost...) I feel on top of the world ... and it's only midnight over here Thank you. I feel very much "carried" by you all. Elisabeth 'n Toby. .... and I don't intend to lose and you will - sure as hell - share it with me!!! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 08:12:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhHDD-0000Vha; Fri, 19 Jul 96 08:11 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul19.71234.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello All: Would anyone mind sharing their tips on getting an even (black) patina on zinc came? We recently completed a project consisting of 24 individual panels wrapped with 3/8" zinc came. After maticulously cleaning the panels ,we used a solution made by a "name-brand" company, specifically for zinc. The chemical was recently purchased from a local wholesaler. We followed the labeling directions (applied with a brush, allowed to air-dry),which initially produced a beautiful solid black appearance. When the panel had dried, the patina wiped off at once, leaving a spotty appearance. What do you all think that we did wrong??? Any advise would be greatly appreciated, Michale & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 08:14:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhHEs-0000jLa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 08:13 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Corel Draw 6.0 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:12:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul19.71242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello All: Let me start off by apologizing for taking up the groups time by asking a "semi-glass-related" question... I have recently started trying to utilize Corel Draw 6.0 for design purposes. I know from reading the posts, that some of you out there also use some version of Draw. I would like to make contact with someone who would be willing to give advise / help with some problems that i've encountered. Please E-mail me directly so as not to tie up the group with "private" e-mails. Thanks in advance!!! Michael & Donna McGrew Guitarshop@aol.com Shattered Images. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 11:26:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhKE3-0000gna; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:24 PDT X-Path: gnn.com!PhillRoey From: PhillRoey@gnn.com (Phillip Roey) To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:25:13 Message-ID: <199607191822.OAA23673@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'd like to add some questions about patinaing zinc came too. I just had my first experience trying it, and didn't get very good results. I first used flux remover and then cleaned the zinc with soap and water. After it was dry, I used steel wool on the zinc and then patinaed (black patina for zinc). While my patina doesn't wipe off, it didn't leave a nice finish. It's pretty streaky. Any suggestions? Also, I was worried about washing a panel and water getting down in the zinc channels. After drying, I kept a hair dryer on very low heat to try to dry the panel as best I could. Could the water hurt anything? I've never seen anything made for cleaning zinc specifically. Mjichale and Donna, could you tell me what you used. Jerri > Would anyone mind sharing their tips on getting an even (black) patina >on zinc came? We recently completed a project consisting of 24 individual >panels wrapped with 3/8" zinc came. After maticulously cleaning the panels >,we used a solution made by a "name-brand" company, specifically for zinc. > The chemical was recently purchased from a local wholesaler. We followed >the labeling directions (applied with a brush, allowed to air-dry),which >initially produced a beautiful solid black appearance. When the panel had >dried, the patina wiped off at once, leaving a spotty appearance. What do >you all think that we did wrong??? > > Any advise would be greatly appreciated, > > Michale & Donna McGrew > Shattered Images Studio >---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 11:45:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhKXT-0000s0a; Fri, 19 Jul 96 11:44 PDT X-Path: stained-glass.com!webmaster From: Matt McDonnell To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul19.104337.0> References: <<1996Jul19.71234.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: T & M Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Guitarshop@aol.com wrote: > > Hello All: > > Would anyone mind sharing their tips on getting an even (black) patina > on zinc came? We recently completed a project consisting of 24 individual > panels wrapped with 3/8" zinc came. After maticulously cleaning the panels > ,we used a solution made by a "name-brand" company, specifically for zinc. > The chemical was recently purchased from a local wholesaler. We followed > the labeling directions (applied with a brush, allowed to air-dry),which > initially produced a beautiful solid black appearance. When the panel had > dried, the patina wiped off at once, leaving a spotty appearance. What do > you all think that we did wrong??? > > Any advise would be greatly appreciated, > > Michale & Donna McGrew > Shattered Images Studio I don't think you did anything wrong. Although I've been shown to not know every kind of patina there is, I haven't been satisfied with any of the so-called 'zinc' patinas. I don't know of one that works well. Matt McDonnell -- T & M Stained Glass - http://www.stained-glass.com Future home of the Stained Glass Marketplace Visit soon, visit often. send inquiries to mailto:webmaster@stained-glass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 12:44:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhLT8-0000lka; Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:44 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:42:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul19.114226.0> References: <<1996Jul19.71234.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Guitarshop@aol.com wrote: > > Hello All: > > Would anyone mind sharing their tips on getting an even (black) patina > on zinc came? We recently completed a project consisting of 24 individual > panels wrapped with 3/8" zinc came. After maticulously cleaning the panels > ,we used a solution made by a "name-brand" company, specifically for zinc. > The chemical was recently purchased from a local wholesaler. We followed > the labeling directions (applied with a brush, allowed to air-dry),which > initially produced a beautiful solid black appearance. When the panel had > dried, the patina wiped off at once, leaving a spotty appearance. What do > you all think that we did wrong??? > > Any advise would be greatly appreciated, > > Michale & Donna McGrew > Shattered Images Studio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe the zinc was'nt clean enough, use steel wool, and alcohol to degrease the zinc. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 13:12:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhLtm-0000c8a; Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:11 PDT X-Path: sunams.usma.army.mil!yj3673 From: yj3673@sunams.usma.army.mil (McLaughlin John COL) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Fri Jul 19 16:11:44 1996 Message-ID: <9607192011.AA18107@sunams.usma.army.mil> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ande, This is not "diamond cut" but maybe what you are talking about. After laying a flat seam, I add more solder in small sections and dab with a flux soaked spong (or cloth for different texture) before the solder sets. If you dab too hard or too soon, you just get a mess. I then re-flux and touch some of the sharp points or irregular areas with the iron and it forms small pearls. You can then (after a good cleaning) finish with your favorite polish and the pearls stay shiney and the background is slightly matt. Or you can patina with copper and the pearls again are shinier than the background. Or you can patina black and polish off the high lights with a cloth and rubbing compound from the automotive section. All give you bright high lights and a darker background. It even works fairly well with lead-free solder. This may not be what you are looking for, but it does hide a multitude of poor soldering sins. Hope it helps. John ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 13:14:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhLvW-0000H8a; Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:13 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: CYBER POOL PARTY AND BBQ Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul19.94949.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk HI FOLKS! Just a gentle reminder for all those who are interested in attending the Cyber Pool Party and Bar-B-Que that is being held on IRC, Sunday, July 21 starting around 5 CDT at #StainedGlass. Sure hope to see ya'll there. If you have any questions, or comments about IRC or the party, please e-mail me personally at ssuter@intrastar.net. Thanks Gang! Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 13:34:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhMF0-0000j0a; Fri, 19 Jul 96 13:33 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:30:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199607192030.PAA24234@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 02:43 PM 7/19/96 -0400, Matt McDonnell wrote: >Guitarshop@aol.com wrote: >> >> >I don't think you did anything wrong. Although I've been shown to not >know every kind of patina there is, I haven't been satisfied with any >of the so-called 'zinc' patinas. I don't know of one that works well. > >Matt McDonnell >-- > T & M Stained Glass - http://www.stained-glass.com > Future home of the Stained Glass Marketplace > Visit soon, visit often. >send inquiries to mailto:webmaster@stained-glass.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > No good results here either with zinc patina. The only method that has been marginally sucessful for me is the wipe on wipe off approach. Apply a coat rub most off immediately do again etc. etc. rub and try and blend with a rag in between kind of build it up a little at a time. Not a lot of fun. As far as buffing or cleaning with steel wool I don't use it at all I think it leaves some of itself behind and has an effect on uniformity of patina. I use non metallic abrasive only on came, solder etc. Len BTW.. I wish to apologize to my fellow list members for the uncalled for flame in a previous post. I was admonished AND enlightened in a private post (Thanks M). A lapse in netiquette that won't be repeated. Well have you ever met a purist that DIDN'T overreact? :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 14:40:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhNGh-0000FQa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:39 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <9607192140.AA22733@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michale & Donna McGrew wrote:: > > > Would anyone mind sharing their tips on getting an even (black) patina >on zinc came? We recently completed a project consisting of 24 individual >panels wrapped with 3/8" zinc came. After maticulously cleaning the panels >,we used a solution made by a "name-brand" company, specifically for zinc. > The chemical was recently purchased from a local wholesaler. We followed >the labeling directions (applied with a brush, allowed to air-dry),which >initially produced a beautiful solid black appearance. When the panel had >dried, the patina wiped off at once, leaving a spotty appearance. What do >you all think that we did wrong??? > > Any advise would be greatly appreciated, > Or studio uses Novacane...and not often. We are really trying to get away from using zinc at all because of the oxidation. No matter what you do to it within a year it looks like crap...patina or not!!!!!! We have seen alot of panels shipped from other countries that have a uniform black patina on the zinc...really looks like they dipped it in something....and with our EPA you might not be able to get those chemicals in this country. But back to your problem....I would use the steel wool on the zinc...clean it real good and then polish it with a polish....then apply the patina. Hope this helps.....let me know how you make out. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 14:46:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhNLh-0000Pka; Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:44 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: <9607192145.AA23021@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri you wrote:, > > I'd like to add some questions about patinaing zinc came too. I just >had my first experience trying it, and didn't get very good results. I first >used flux remover and then cleaned the zinc with soap and water. After it >was dry, I used steel wool on the zinc and then patinaed (black patina for >zinc). While my patina doesn't wipe off, it didn't leave a nice finish. >It's pretty streaky. Any suggestions? > Also, I was worried about washing a panel and water getting down in the >zinc channels. After drying, I kept a hair dryer on very low heat to try to >dry the panel as best I could. Could the water hurt anything? > I've never seen anything made for cleaning zinc specifically. Mjichale >and Donna, could you tell me what you used. > >Jerri, I take it from your comments that this panel must be a copper-foil panel. Do you plan to cement the panel in the zinc channeling????>> Also the water will RUST>>>>..and I mean RUST...that zinc. so.......................................dry it but may I suggest using a compressor with an air hose to blow the water out instead of a hair dryer? Watch that heat on your glass!!!!!!! Good Luck. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 14:49:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhNPN-0000WBa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:48 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: <9607192148.AA23144@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk John wrote:> > > This may not be what you are looking for, but it does hide a multitude of >poor soldering sins. Hope it helps. > >John Tis Tis Tis.......... we don't want to hear any poor soldering sins being hidden. Its just not allowed!! my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 14:54:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhNUs-0000poa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:54 PDT X-Path: earthlink.net!ande From: ande To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Decorative soldering Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul19.105257.0> References: <<9607192011.AA18107@sunams.usma.army.mil>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: earthlink.net Precedence: bulk McLaughlin John COL wrote: > > Ande, > > This is not "diamond cut" but maybe what you are talking about. After > laying a flat seam, I add more solder in small sections and dab with a flux > soaked spong (or cloth for different texture) before the solder sets. If you > dab too hard or too soon, you just get a mess. I then re-flux and touch some > of the sharp points or irregular areas with the iron and it forms small pearls. > You can then (after a good cleaning) finish with your favorite polish and the > pearls stay shiney and the background is slightly matt. Or you can patina with > copper and the pearls again are shinier than the background. Or you can > patina black and polish off the high lights with a cloth and rubbing compound > from the automotive section. All give you bright high lights and a darker > background. It even works fairly well with lead-free solder. > > This may not be what you are looking for, but it does hide a multitude of > poor soldering sins. Hope it helps. > > John > ---- That's it! Many thanks John! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 16:10:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhOfr-0000ZQa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:09 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul19.85652.0> References: <<9607192148.AA23144@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I tried using zinc patina shortly after it appeared on the market and had very poor results. I didn't think it was anything I did wrong, just the product was not up to 'snuff'. I do patina zinc came but only after I have tinned it. It makes a really nice border or frame. Especially if you use some of the decorative soldering techniques you are talking about. I use a flux called S-39 from Holland. I only have a little left and would really like to find some more. It works especially well on zinc and lead came that has oxidized somewhat. Does anyone know where this can be purchased? Thanks. PJ from SLO. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 16:21:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhOpi-0000kwa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:19 PDT X-Path: gnn.com!PhillRoey From: PhillRoey@gnn.com (Phillip Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:22:56 Message-ID: <199607192319.TAA22297@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>Jerri, >I take it from your comments that this panel must be a copper-foil panel. >Do you plan to cement the panel in the zinc channeling????>> > >Also the water will RUST>>>>..and I mean RUST...that zinc. >so.......................................dry it but may I suggest using a >compressor with an air hose to blow the water out instead of a hair dryer? >Watch that heat on your glass!!!!!!! > >Good Luck. >my best, >pj > PJ, Yes, it's copper foil with the zinc around the pane. No, I hadn't plan to cement. It's about 10" x 16". I've never worked with cement before. (I'm just a novice and have never worked with came, other than some small lightcatchers. I'm hoping to take a class one day, sigh, as I'm dying to learn how to do a lead panel or window. Bear with the dumb questions, of which I have many.) Thanks for the advice. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 19:55:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhSBn-0000mka; Fri, 19 Jul 96 19:54 PDT X-Path: gnn.com!PhillRoey From: PhillRoey@gnn.com (Jerri Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 22:57:19 Message-ID: <199607200253.WAA19909@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ, Is there anything special you did to patina the zinc? I tried it once and it didn't go on very smoothly. Thanks. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 20:00:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhSH9-0000ppa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 20:00 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!100354.1531 From: Michael Read <100354.1531@CompuServe.COM> To: BUNGI Subject: Fusing Date: 19 Jul 96 22:58:47 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul20.25847.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi We are having a problem with fusing and need some advice. We are fusing five to six petal shapes onto four inch squares of clear water glass. We heat the squares up to approximately 700 Centigrade and let it cool down overnight. When taken out of the kiln the squares and petals look about right with the petals fused onto the base. OK so far. However when we try to foil and solder the squares to make into suncatchers, they always crack in the same place. Questions: Glass compatibility? Annealing? Temperature? Any and all contributions gratefully received. Mike and Jan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 21:37:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhTmP-0000KYa; Fri, 19 Jul 96 21:36 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Health & Safety Data She Date: 20 Jul 96 00:33:44 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul20.43344.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby, >> Not being a >>chemist, I have to work out what the chemical name is for things like >>"propane", "butane" etc... and what on earth is "petroleum >>distillates"; and what does white spirit, methylated spirit >>contain...??<< PROPANE. The chemical name for propane is propane! It can also be called dimethylmethane. Its molecular formula is C3H8 and it is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with her problem. I've never seen anything in the literature relating allergies, asthma, or lung damage or to propane. BUTANE also is butane or n-butane (n=normal which means the carbon atoms are all in a straight line--not a branched chain). The formula C4H10. And it also is unlikely to be the cause of any problems. PETROLEUM DISTILLATE is a very old term that is still used rather incorrectly for solvents whose viscosity is such that you shouldn't induce vomiting in individuals who have ingested them. This is because they will aspirate it into their lungs causing severe and often fatal chemical pneumonia. The term should mean something that is distilled from cracked crude oil. However the need for a label term that would alert physicians about the ingestion problem occurred many years ago when almost all solvents were distilled from petroleum. This is probably more than you want to know! There are hundreds of petroleum distillates but some common ones are petrol, paint thinner, and various grades of naphtha. WHITE SPIRITS may mean different things in our countries. I know it as a form of mineral spirits. METHYLATED SPIRITS is a term we don't use here. They do in Canada where I also train and so I know it is methyl alcohol or methanol. A WORD OF WARNING: When you are doing your literature searches, don't get distracted by information about "toxicity." What you are looking for is chemicals which are known to "sensitize." Toxicity and sensitization are usually unrelated qualities. People can have serious allergic responses to chemicals at doses far too low to cause toxicity. ANd very often, "natural" products are more likely to cause asthma. Wood dust and turpentine are two common ones. Wood dust disables hundreds of workers with hypersensitivity lung disorders every year. And the workers get compensation without much hassle because the cause is so well-known. Many metals and their compounds also are sensitizers: cobalt, chrome and nickel are really good at it. The fiber reactive dyes used in batik also have a nasty history. And don't ignore plain old molds growing in clay or badly ventilated buildings. It also may be that she has become sensitized to many things due to her over exposures. If you can identify the sensitizer and get medical proof through a challenge or some other method, the sailing is clear. >>On a separate writing pad (again) is emerging technical questions >>(Thank you Monona!!!!), which I will address to you. There are a >>number of legal points here in the UK I will need to clarify first.<< Anytime. >>By the way, what is the chemical definition of plaster..(i.e. gypsum, >>plaster of Paris)...????<< Plaster of Paris = calcium sulfate--also not a bad actor. To point out again the "natural" problem, plain old wheat flour causes "Baker's asthma" and disables a small percentage of bakery workers. And even if bakers with asthma were not over-exposed to flour, they still are entitled to compensation because their work caused their disability. You can't blame someone for becoming allergic to substances. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 19 22:21:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhUTE-0000vva; Fri, 19 Jul 96 22:20 PDT X-Path: direct.ca!kmccullo From: direct.ca!kmccullo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: where is everyone ? Date: Fri Jul 19 22:20:46 1996 Message-ID: <96Jul19.221246-0700pdt.29338-1021+290@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Richard and Meg Laval: 100% custom duty on raw products is pretty steep. I thought our customs duties were bad. (we in Canada are suppose to have free trade with the US)I think not! But 100% is disgusting. Anyway, I'm from Vancouver (close to it anyway) Canada. And no we don't live in igloos. Mind you for the last two days it sure has felt like it. We went from 94' and sweating like stuck pigs to almost freezing. Yikes is our weather messed up. I understand it's pretty nice in Costa Rica. One our life insurance agents went for a holiday there a few years ago & loved it so much he didn't come back, bought a sugar plantation, & just comes here for the ocassional holiday. Karin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 07:34:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhd6V-0000Qfa; Sat, 20 Jul 96 07:33 PDT X-Path: pe.net!garner From: Mike Garner To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Fusing Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:14:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul20.01427.0> References: <<1996Jul20.25847.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael Read wrote: > > Hi > We are having a problem with fusing and need some advice. We are fusing five to > six petal shapes onto four inch squares of clear water glass. We heat the > squares up to approximately 700 Centigrade and let it cool down overnight. When > taken out of the kiln the squares and petals look about right with the petals > fused onto the base. OK so far. However when we try to foil and solder the > squares to make into suncatchers, they always crack in the same place. > Questions: Glass compatibility? Annealing? Temperature? Any and all > contributions gratefully received. > Mike and Jan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Mike and Jan, I would guess that your problem is incompatibility. With small pieces and your letting it cool slowly overnight I wouldn't think that your are seeing thermal shock or annealing problems. Since your are using waterglass you must be using Spectrum glass. Is the glass that you're using for the petals made by Spectrum also? Spectrum has a coefficient of expansion (COE) of around 96 although they do/did make some special sheets with a COE of 90. Other manufacture's COE can vary quite a bit (Bullseye and Uroboros are around 90, GNA is around 104, I think). You need to use glasses that have a coefficient within one or two of each other. Even if you are using Spectrum for the base and the petals, you should test them for compatibility. I have found that most of Spectrum's glasses are compatible with each other but if you don't test you could be in trouble. Even if it doesn't break right away it could in the future. An easy solution is to use glass that has been tested as compatible. Both Bullseye and Uroboros sell 90 COE tested compaible glass. It is more expensive than Spectrum but you don't have to worry about incompatibility (although they suggest that you test it anyway). Hope this helps, Mike in Corona, CA ___________________________________ http://www.pe.net/~garner garner@pe.net ___________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 09:13:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhedn-0000gYa; Sat, 20 Jul 96 09:12 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Advice about the gold/brass-look Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:12:18 -0700 Message-ID: <199607201612.JAA05995@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >My question is: how do I get it to look like that on both sides? >Mirror is a blah gray on the back. I could laminate two pieces of >amber mirror back-to-back, but I don't want that extra thickness >there. > >Jill > Sandwich gold leaf between two layers of ss clear or picture glass. Size both pieces of glass for adhesive. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 09:19:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhejn-0000OXa; Sat, 20 Jul 96 09:18 PDT X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 12:20:01 -0400 Message-ID: <9607201620.AA26866@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri wrote: > >Is there anything special you did to patina the zinc? I tried it once and it >didn't go on very smoothly. Thanks. > Jerri, The first thing we do is clean and polish the zinc. The we use a rag to apply the finish. But to be honest with you I hate the look it gives you...in fact I would rather leave the zinc with no finish then leave it with spots. Like I said no matter what you do to it in a year or so its not going to be lovely anyway. Good luck. pj > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 09:22:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhemv-0000b0a; Sat, 20 Jul 96 09:21 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: which side Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:21:45 -0700 Message-ID: <199607201621.JAA28209@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The one rule in glass art is there are no rules. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 09:52:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhfGB-0000bka; Sat, 20 Jul 96 09:52 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:51:59 -0700 Message-ID: <199607201651.JAA07944@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >>La Carne wrote: >>> >>> I was just wondering how old you are? >>> >>> La Carne >>> >> >>---Mike Savad > >Mike, > > >Maybe all of us???????????? > >pj Collectivly??? ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 10:41:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhg1T-0000Bja; Sat, 20 Jul 96 10:40 PDT X-Path: gnn.com!PhillRoey From: PhillRoey@gnn.com (Jerri Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:44:12 Message-ID: <199607201740.NAA09737@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ, Oops. I worded that wrong. I MEANT to ask if there's anything special you do to TIN the zinc. I tried it once, and it didn't go smoothly. Gee, something about having a two and 1/2 year old in your lap is not conducive to using the computer. Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 12:30:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uhhj2-0000fka; Sat, 20 Jul 96 12:30 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 15:26:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul20.112626.0> References: <<9607192140.AA22733@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk pj friend wrote: > > Michale & Donna McGrew wrote:: > > > > > > Would anyone mind sharing their tips on getting an even (black) patina > >on zinc came? We recently completed a project consisting of 24 individual > >panels wrapped with 3/8" zinc came. After maticulously cleaning the panels > >,we used a solution made by a "name-brand" company, specifically for zinc. > > The chemical was recently purchased from a local wholesaler. We followed > >the labeling directions (applied with a brush, allowed to air-dry),which > >initially produced a beautiful solid black appearance. When the panel had > >dried, the patina wiped off at once, leaving a spotty appearance. What do > >you all think that we did wrong??? > > > > Any advise would be greatly appreciated, > > > > Or studio uses Novacane...and not often. We are really trying to get away > from using zinc at all because of the oxidation. No matter what you do to > it within a year it looks like crap...patina or not!!!!!! > > We have seen alot of panels shipped from other countries that have a uniform > black > patina on the zinc...really looks like they dipped it in something....and > with our EPA you might not be able to get those chemicals in this country. > > But back to your problem....I would use the steel wool on the zinc...clean > it real good and then polish it with a polish....then apply the patina. > Hope this helps.....let me know how you make out. > > my best, > pj > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass methods i've used for zinc came, is to put decorative soldering on it. make it kind of rough like tree bark. though it's kind of a pain to do. but it does' come out nice, almost antique like. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 04:20:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiIxG-0000i3a; Mon, 22 Jul 96 04:15 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <199607210403.AAA13537@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > This is not "diamond cut" but maybe what you are talking about. After >laying a flat seam, I add more solder in small sections and dab with a flux >soaked spong (or cloth for different texture) before the solder sets. If you >dab too hard or too soon, you just get a mess. I then re-flux and touch some >of the sharp points or irregular areas with the iron and it forms small pearls. > You can then (after a good cleaning) finish with your favorite polish and the >pearls stay shiney and the background is slightly matt. Or you can patina with >copper and the pearls again are shinier than the background. Or you can >patina black and polish off the high lights with a cloth and rubbing compound >from the automotive section. All give you bright high lights and a darker >background. It even works fairly well with lead-free solder. > > This may not be what you are looking for, but it does hide a multitude of >poor soldering sins. Hope it helps. > >John >---- Thanks John, I was taking a quick break from soldering and checked the e-mail forum, when I saw your idea. Tried it just now, and got a really pretty effect. (It was a 6 inch high 4 sided candle holder. Great! Thanks from me too! Lee Boe >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 04:21:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiIxr-0000PHa; Mon, 22 Jul 96 04:15 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: where is everyone ? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:10:12 -0400 Message-ID: <199607210410.AAA14097@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PS. Is anyone else from the forum in Florida? Lee Boe >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 04:21:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiIxo-0000bDa; Mon, 22 Jul 96 04:15 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: where is everyone ? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 00:09:07 -0400 Message-ID: <199607210409.AAA14077@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am in Sarasota, Florida. It is very hot this weekend, I feel sorry for a lot of the people in Atlanta for the Olympics. If you are not used to the heat and humidity it can be brutal. I stay holed up in my Apartment/glass studio, in the air conditioning. Lee Boe >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 05:02:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiJeJ-0000JDa; Mon, 22 Jul 96 04:59 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Opaque projectors Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 09:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: <199607211624.JAA14732@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I need to purchase an opaque projector. I have seen several advertised. Which one should I buy? Also, have any of you heard of a SG studio called "Pane in the Glass" from somewhere in MI that was at the Harvest Craft Festival last October in Los Angeles? They did some beautiful and original angels. Thanks, Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 05:05:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiJhV-0000bDa; Mon, 22 Jul 96 05:03 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: Hello out there!! Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 16:26:55 -0400 Message-ID: <199607212029.QAA21714@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Where is everybody? I have checked my email five times today, and there no messages. Is this still operative? Is it just me? Hello!! Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 05:06:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiJjL-0000Dha; Mon, 22 Jul 96 05:04 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: Subscription Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:46:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199607212247.SAA23585@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please check that I am still subscribed. Haven't gotten any mail or responses for two days. I miss yuns. (That's Pittsburghese for y'all). Thanks, Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 05:08:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiJkk-0000E4a; Mon, 22 Jul 96 05:06 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: IRC Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:32:54 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960721233254.0067cf88@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley and IRC gang, I tried to find the group today but no luck. I am using mIRC and have only done the IRC thing once before. So maybe if someone out there who is familiar w/ mIRC could lead me down the correct path. Working 12 hours today from 7 pm to 7 am so won't be able to join you tonight but will keep trying to see if there is anyone out there to chat w/. Off to work. Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 05:13:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiJpS-0000iSa; Mon, 22 Jul 96 05:11 PDT X-Path: macnet.com!jhendershott From: jhendershott@macnet.com (Janie Hendershott) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <199607220439.VAA12280@jack.macnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Although I haven't tried it myself, Suzanne Cooper swears the best thing to black patina zinc is copper patina. Try a test piece and see what happens. Don't forget to clean thoroughly first. Janie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 05:55:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiKUm-0000Mya; Mon, 22 Jul 96 05:53 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Opaque projectors Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:54:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9607221254.AA02509@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<199607211624.JAA14732@polaris.pacificnet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Hi all, > > I need to purchase an opaque projector. I have seen several advertised. > Which one should I buy? > I saw one of the cheap ones some years back and wasn't impressed. Dim image, small original size, and it ran very hot. Depending on what you want to do with it, if you don't need instant results, you might find it easier to use slide film to photograph the original, and use a normal slide projector instead. (although photographing flat objects cleanly without distortion can be a bit tricky without a copy stand). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 07:18:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiLeS-0000h6a; Mon, 22 Jul 96 07:08 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Opaque projectors Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: <199607221323.JAA28334@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here is an idea, you did not say why but if it is to enlarge or reduce patterns, try a blue print shop instead. I take the original-tell them the overall size I need, and voila: they can enlarge or reduce it. A regular copy shop can too, but the output is usually limited to 11 x 17 inches max. If you need larger a blue print shop can do it. The one I use here only charges $3 per copy, usually need only two. This may help Lee Boe >> I need to purchase an opaque projector. I have seen several advertised. >> Which one should I buy? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 10:14:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiOWG-0000Rya; Mon, 22 Jul 96 10:11 PDT X-Path: eos.ncsu.edu!jbbrauer From: jbbrauer@eos.ncsu.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Subscription Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 13:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607221711.NAA11899@c00374-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu> References: <<199607212247.SAA23585@moltar.cetlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Please check that I am still subscribed. Haven't gotten any mail or > responses for two days. I miss yuns. (That's Pittsburghese for y'all). > Thanks, > Karl > I know it's not related to glass but I have heard the expression yuns used in the foothills of North Carolina. They pronounce it you-uns for the most part and sometimes say yuns. Used to refer to a single person or a couple of people. I have lived in many parts of the South (Florida, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina) and had never heard the expression until I lived in the foothills. It is interesting to see a variation of that word used in an e-mail. Thanks, James Brauer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 10:33:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiOky-0000kga; Mon, 22 Jul 96 10:26 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Jerri Roey Subject: re: Decorative soldering Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <<199607201740.NAA09737@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri. I wasn't very clear. The flux I use, S-39 from Holland, is the only one I have found successful in allowing me to tin zinc. That is one of the reasons I am trying to find more of it. It comes in a royal blue plastic bottle with a red cap and has it's own brush. If anyone knows who carries this, please let me know. PJ. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 11:14:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiPSJ-0000faa; Mon, 22 Jul 96 11:11 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health & Safety Data She Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:55:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199607221819.TAA02385@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Monona Rossol wrote > To point out again the "natural" problem, plain old wheat flour causes > "Baker's asthma" and disables a small percentage of bakery workers. And even Thank you Monona! this gives me something to chew one... ..will get back to you very soon. thanks again, Elisabeth ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 05:21:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uigKh-0000ata; Tue, 23 Jul 96 05:12 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Patining Zinc Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.41247.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello All: Thanks to everyone who responded to my request. I knew that I could count on you guys! I will try several of your suggestions, and if we find the "magic-elixer", we will let everyone know which one works.. Thanks again, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 05:21:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uigKf-0000d2a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 05:12 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patinaing Zinc Came??? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:15:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.4155.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Jerri: I can't offer any suggestions now, because it seems that I have opened a can of worms, so to speak. I am glad to see that we are not the only ones having problems with zinc. Have you, or anyone else, tried painting the zinc?? I am thinking about trying it on a piece of scrap came to see how that works. I am planning to prime it ant then apply a finish top-coat. I will let everyone know if this works.. One thing that I did discover about the patina, it WILL etch some glass. I have never had this happen with lead patina (even though the manufacturer warns of it), but, I noticed streaks of iridescence in some of the cathadrals that I used. Thanks, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 05:21:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uigKd-0000mSa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 05:12 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Decorative soldering Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.4150.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello P.J.: The only idea that we have had since the origional post was to try painting the zinc. I have refinished several antique lamp bases with good results. I will try priming, then applying a finish coat (black) and see how that works.. Will let everyone know if this works. Thanks for the response, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 05:54:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiguk-0000Uba; Tue, 23 Jul 96 05:50 PDT X-Path: po.cwru.edu!txh4 From: txh4@po.cwru.edu (Theodore P. Hasenstaub) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Etching Help Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:38:05 -0400 Message-ID: <199607231250.IAA11675@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I remember reading an article that explained how you could make etching stencils and apply them to glass by using your laser printer. Does anyone remember seeing this article. Or does anyone Know how this is accomplished? Thank you. Sincerely, Ted ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 06:27:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uihPK-0000YGa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 06:21 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Etching Help Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:21:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9607231322.AA07725@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<199607231250.IAA11675@celeste.INS.CWRU.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I remember reading an article that explained how you could make etching > stencils and apply them to glass by using your laser printer. Does anyone > remember seeing this article. Or does anyone Know how this is accomplished? Hmm. About the only idea I can come up with (not having seen the article, or had anything to do with etching glass) is that it may be referring to something similar to the process used for etching printed circuit boards, where you could get a spray on (?) light sensitive coating (probably UV sensitive, if I remember correctly). You took your PCB layout drawn on a clear film, put it on top of a copper coated board treated with the spray, exposed it to the correct light, processed the board (I don't remember what they used for this - may have been chemicals, or just a rinse), which left the protective coating in the right shape, and then etched the board. Assuming that the glass etching process is something similar, I assume that you'd have to use clear laser printer film to print the pattern on, either positive (black(opaque) design on white(clear) background) or negative (white(clear) design on black(opaque) background, depending on how the photosensitive etching resist works. Then coat the glass with the resist, stick the printed film to it, expose the resist by shining the light through the printed film onto the resist coating, then processing the resist to remove the unwanted areas, etch the glass with etching solution, then remove the remaining resist from the un-etched areas. Alternatively, for manual etching methods on clear glass, you could just print the design and stick it to the back of the glass with double sided tape or whatever, and use that as a guide :-). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 06:32:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uihTH-0000ZLa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 06:25 PDT X-Path: dogbert.ipa.net!jcbrooks From: Jim Brooks To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suncatcher Size Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.31033.0> References: <<1996Jul18.6354.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Brooks Family Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > Lorley L. Oneyear wrote: > > > > Thanks to all for the on going advise during the construction of my > > hummingbird window hanging. All waxed and ready to go to it's new owner. > > Going to do a simple sun catcher next. It'll be a parrot and I want to know > > how large I can make it w/out it being too heavy to hang on a window w/ a > > suction cup??? Lorley in Phx > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > i think a standard suction cup only holds a pound or two. you'll have to > pull down on the cup and see. it's not really the size, but the weight. > > ---Mike Savad > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassThe suction cups work fine but you need to check them from time to time. The sun will dry them out and make them slip. I have lost 2 or 3 this way, so I have gone to the fishing line method. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 06:33:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uihTJ-0000h8a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 06:25 PDT X-Path: dogbert.ipa.net!jcbrooks From: Jim Brooks To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Suction Cup Hint (was Suncatcher Size) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.31358.0> References: <<1996Jul18.63357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Brooks Family Precedence: bulk Julie Thomson wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu wrote: > > > I haven't a clue as to suncatcher size because I don't trust them for > > anything and don't recommend them. I've seen big suction cups fail with > > little suncatchers attached, so... > > I can finally share a hint! Instead of using water to adhere the suction > cup to the window (which can evaporate then the cup falls off), use just > a very small drop of salad oil on the back of the suction cup. This will > not evaporate and should keep the suction cup up indefinitely. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassThanks for the hint. I will give it a try since I have a couple of windows full of suncatchers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 06:54:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uihoU-0000fMa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 06:47 PDT X-Path: ACDM.RDC.AB.CA!LMCMILLAN From: LMCMILLAN@ACDM.RDC.AB.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue chip surfacing Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul23.1455.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is the glue chip technique a patented process that limits anyone from attempting it commercially? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 07:27:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiiLu-0000f8a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 07:22 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue chip surfacing Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607231421.KAA15582@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >Is the glue chip technique a patented process >that limits anyone from attempting it commercially? I wouldn't think so. Otherwise there wouldn't be companies that glue chip glasses. We carry glue chipped Spectrum glass. Spectrum doesn't have it glue chipped, that was someone else's idea. Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 07:45:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiidh-0000hha; Tue, 23 Jul 96 07:40 PDT X-Path: nz1.netzone.com!lorley From: "Lorley L. Oneyear" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Water proof? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:49:55 -0600 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960723134955.00685e60@mail.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all, Some one has asked me about doing a small stained glass window in their bathroom. She says it's approx 8 " high and maybe 20" across.. I was wondering how waterproof stained glass would be in this type of situation. I have not seen the window yet so I don't know if it's actually exposed to shower water or not or just the moisture and steam from the bath. If the piece is camed, grouted, and waxed would that be sufficient enough waterproofing. Would she eventually run into other problems that I'm not even thinking about?? Just fishing for ideas on this one. Thanks all again. Lorley in sunny and very hot Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 08:37:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uijSF-0000V2a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 08:32 PDT X-Path: vetmed.wsu.edu!JCGRAHN From: "Jennifer C. Grahn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass and Pregency Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 08:32:17 PST8PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained glass while trying to get pregent or once you are pregent? I would apprciate anyone's thoughts. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 08:53:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uijj1-0000iga; Tue, 23 Jul 96 08:50 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pregency Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.74826.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jennifer C. Grahn wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained > glass while trying to get pregent or once you are pregent? I would > apprciate anyone's thoughts. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think we had a discussion like that before, i think the final agreement was you could do everything but solder and use chemicals, mosaics also came up alot. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 09:06:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uijtP-0000Via; Tue, 23 Jul 96 09:01 PDT X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: krmcdonald@ucdavis.edu (Kathe R. McDonald) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pregency Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199607231600.JAA15384@peseta.ucdavis.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A physician friend of mine who did glass did cutting and foiling, but no soldering, fluxing. Kathe R. McDonald Office of Curricular Support "Aint no time to hate." J. Garcia 1995 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 09:25:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uikDA-0000lVa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 09:21 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Water proof? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199607231618.LAA13933@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:49 AM 7/23/96 -0600, Lorley L. Oneyear wrote: >Hello all, > >Some one has asked me about doing a small stained glass window in their >bathroom. She says it's approx 8 " high and maybe 20" across.. I was >wondering how waterproof stained glass would be in this type of situation. I >have not seen the window yet so I don't know if it's actually exposed to >shower water or not or just the moisture and steam from the bath. If the >piece is camed, grouted, and waxed would that be sufficient enough >waterproofing Yes........... Would she eventually run into other problems that I'm not even thinking about?? Not really just the usual mineral deposits waterspots etc. that you would expect in a bathroom environment Just fishing for ideas on this one. Thanks all again. >Lorley in sunny and very hot Phoenix Lorley, When I'm asked for suggestions for locations for S.G. in a home, I include the bathroom in my top 5 recommendations. It is one of the really FUN places to do glass. Congruity is generally not a consideration and I have found that people have a tendancy *to let their hair down* when it comes to design and decor in the bathroom. From a practical standpoint I inform clients how suitable S.G. is for tailoring light penetration and the degree privacy they require. Also the window will not deteriorate in that harsh environment like curtains and other window treatments. Len > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 09:36:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uikNM-0000wUa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 09:32 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pregency Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <199607231628.LAA14037@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:32 AM 7/23/96 PST8PDT, Jennifer C. Grahn wrote: >I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained >glass while trying to get pregent I guess its ok as long as your partner doesn't find it to be to distracting :) ---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 10:41:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uilQS-0000X9a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:39 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: ssuter@intrastar.net (Shirley Suter) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pregency Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.71524.0> References: <<199607231628.LAA14037@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Suter's Stained Glass (409) 687-3841 Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > At 08:32 AM 7/23/96 PST8PDT, Jennifer C. Grahn wrote: > >I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained > >glass while trying to get pregent > > I guess its ok as long as your partner doesn't find it to be to distracting :) Good one there, Len! (ROFLOL) I have found that creating stained glass is a WONDERFUL form of birth control! ;) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 11:01:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uilkV-0000ora; Tue, 23 Jul 96 10:59 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pregency (fwd) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 13:55:22 EDT Message-ID: <960723.135851.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am just imagining the glass crumbs in bed! -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- At 08:32 AM 7/23/96 PST8PDT, Jennifer C. Grahn wrote: >I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained >glass while trying to get pregent I guess its ok as long as your partner doesn't find it to be to distracting :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 12:23:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uin0c-0000hsa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 12:20 PDT X-Path: awinc.com!jthomson From: Juile Thomson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pregency Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:20:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul23.52028.0> References: <<1996Jul23.74826.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > Jennifer C. Grahn wrote: > > > > I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained > > glass while trying to get pregent or once you are pregent? I would > > apprciate anyone's thoughts. > > i think we had a discussion like that before, i think the final > agreement was you could do everything but solder and use chemicals, > mosaics also came up alot. A good time (excuse???) to be making stepping stones! No chemicals involved there! By the way, when my girlfriend got pregnant her doctor told her to stop doing stained glass right away (solder and chemical issue). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 13:40:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uioD4-0000q1a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 13:37 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: where is everyone ? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 14:34:52 -0600 Message-ID: <199607232034.OAA18582@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karin; Yes it sort of gets in your blood,a nd then you keep coming back til you can't leave! So come visit us but beware of the possible consecuences!!!! We get alot of Canadians down here. Alot of our teachers are Canadia for example. meg At , you wrote: >To Richard and Meg Laval: >100% custom duty on raw products is pretty steep. I thought our customs >duties were bad. (we in Canada are suppose to have free trade with the US)I >think not! >But 100% is disgusting. > >Anyway, I'm from Vancouver (close to it anyway) Canada. And no we don't live >in igloos. Mind you for the last two days it sure has felt like it. We went >from 94' and sweating like stuck pigs to almost freezing. Yikes is our >weather messed up. I understand it's pretty nice in Costa Rica. One our life >insurance agents went for a holiday there a few years ago & loved it so much >he didn't come back, bought a sugar plantation, & just comes here for the >ocassional holiday. > >Karin > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 18:13:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uisN3-0000kta; Tue, 23 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: glue chip surfacing Date: 23 Jul 96 21:01:59 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul24.1159.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Is the glue chip technique a patented process >that limits anyone from attempting it commercially? Nope. It's as old as potters wheels and therefore unpatentable, methinks. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 18:13:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uisN3-0000Vja; Tue, 23 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Stained Glass and Pr Date: 23 Jul 96 21:02:03 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul24.123.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>glass while trying to get pregent >I guess its ok as long as your partner doesn't find it to be to >distracting :) Oh, well said, Len. !! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 18:13:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uisN3-0000W5a; Tue, 23 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Water proof? Date: 23 Jul 96 21:02:01 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul24.121.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >If the piece is camed, grouted, and waxed would that be sufficient enough >waterproofing. Would she eventually run into other problems that I'm not >even thinking about?? Since she won't be running the shower onto the window, you don't have any particularly unusual problems to worry about. Forget the wax, though, as unnecessary. The usual cementing is fine as waterproofing. Of course, the lead will collect condensed moisture and shouldn't be expected to last the usual 100 years (assuming you're not using the much-touted "pure" lead came, which would last the usual 100 days ), although even that might not be true, given the mean temperature of your part of the world and its inherent dryness. Any condensation would be only momentary. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 18:13:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uisN3-00001ea; Tue, 23 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: 23 Jul 96 21:01:52 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul24.1152.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I was wondering if anyone knew if a you should avoid doing stained >glass while trying to get pregent or once you are pregent? Yes. Just as you would/should avoid smoking, drinking, working in a closed garage with your car's engine running, jogging in large cities like New York and Los Angeles, etc. Anything you ingest, inhale, or imbibe that's unhealthy can/might affect the fetus. Go ahead and live healthy for nine months and give your child the best start you can. Then you can go back to breathing solder fumes and getting lead dust all over your fingertips ... but separate your work area *completely from your living space (especially the baby's), wash up before you come back into the house, and don't wash your work clothes with the baby's. I'm sure Monona will chime in on this one. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 20:20:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiuO5-0000HMa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:13 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Water proof? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 03:56:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199607240322.EAA08198@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert, do I detect that you are in one of your "wicked" moods again... You are right, of course... Elisabeth 'n Toby. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 20:20:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiuO5-0000BNa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:13 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: where is everyone ? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 03:56:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199607240322.EAA08202@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karin, Where have YOU been??? Youv'e kept a low profile lately! Hey folks!! KARIN is on the move - watch out!! Don't forget the apples and the wicker baskets. I just can't WAIT to hear of your account when you get back... ( No Karin - seriously - I haven't forgotten...) Sort of pre-occupied with "legalese" these last few weeks... Tie these customs "Hitlers" up in knots!!! CANADA RULES O.K. !!! Have a fabulous time!! Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 20:20:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uiuO5-0000LSa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:13 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: where is everyone ? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 03:56:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199607240322.EAA08200@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karin, probably misunderstood, thought you were venturing South of the Border... What's wrong with igloos??? Very insulating constructions; very clever and certainly using products from Mother Nature in a most (cost-) effective way... What's the Canadian duty on igloos ( i.e frozen water....?) Eolisabeth 'n Toby. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 20:48:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uius1-0000WUa; Tue, 23 Jul 96 20:44 PDT X-Path: accesscomm.net!spinn From: spinn@accesscomm.net (Stephen Pinn) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue chip surfacing Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 03:46:03 GMT Message-ID: <31f59a8f.16929464@mail.accesscomm.net> References: <<1996Jul23.1455.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: PinnCorp. Precedence: bulk Norm Dobbins (of sand etch fame) demonstrates the technique in one of his sandblast video tapes (can't remember which one) . In an over simplification. The glass is etched (sand blasted). Hide glue is poured over the glass. The glue is allowed to set (slowly). The glue is scraped (chipped) off. Viola glue chipped glass. Actually the process does not seem all that difficult but I'm sure a significant amount of practice and patience is required!, also diffent strengths of glue will yield different results. I don't have Norm Dobbins' number but he can be reached through Professional Glass Associates in Santa Fe NM. Hope this helps - Steve On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:45:05 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: > >Is the glue chip technique a patented process >that limits anyone from attempting it commercially? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 10:13:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uj7Rd-0000dXa; Wed, 24 Jul 96 10:09 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: truth or myth?, fact or fiction? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 12:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <199607241706.MAA29960@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert, Non-ferous metals like lead, zinc and copper form a protective surface oxide that protects the metal from oxidizing clear through like iron? The paper lead that I've seen on very old windows exposed to the elements and still pretty much intact might have actually been an alloy? What prevents 100+ year old lead (YUCK!) flashing from deteriorating into nothingness? Does antimony do more then just stiffen the lead? I'm asking Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 17:33:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujEKl-0000pKa; Wed, 24 Jul 96 17:31 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Who are you? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:28:38 -0600 Message-ID: <199607250028.SAA23387@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk t 12:05 PM 16/07/1996 -0400, you wrote: >>La Carne wrote: >>> >>> I was just wondering how old you are? >>> >>> La Carne >>> >>> ---- >>> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >>how old who is? >> >>---Mike Savad > >Mike, > > >Maybe all of us???????????? > >pj >>---- >> >> > As my grandfather used to say "I'm a as old as my tongue and a little older than my teeth"! Meg >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****************************************** Richard and Meg Laval Monteverde, Costa Rica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 18:14:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujEyR-0000kEa; Wed, 24 Jul 96 18:12 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Water proof? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: <199607250112.SAA25836@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Hello all, > >Some one has asked me about doing a small stained glass window in their >bathroom. She says it's approx 8 " high and maybe 20" across.. I was >wondering how waterproof stained glass would be in this type of situation. I >have not seen the window yet so I don't know if it's actually exposed to >shower water or not or just the moisture and steam from the bath. If the >piece is camed, grouted, and waxed would that be sufficient enough >waterproofing. Would she eventually run into other problems that I'm not >even thinking about?? Just fishing for ideas on this one. Thanks all again. > As long as the window is properly cemented there should be no problems with the art glass. You fail to make any mention of how this window will be displayed. If it is installed there are specific ways to go about venting the window to help equalize temp/humidity between the layers. In any case a properly cemented panel is designed to hold up to water, note windows that stop rain for decades. Waxing is not an important element in the equation. In leaded windows on a profesional level it is rarely if ever done. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 18:24:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujF7q-0000lGa; Wed, 24 Jul 96 18:22 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Decorative soldering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 02:05:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199607250131.CAA10200@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy, Re S-39 from Holland. If you can give me more details from bottle label, will try and source it for you from Here in UK (... am also planning to go to Holland shortly - a break from Health & Safety Sheets!!!!) Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 18:47:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujFUY-0000pba; Wed, 24 Jul 96 18:45 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: 24 Jul 96 21:43:30 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul25.14330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>I'm sure Monona will chime in on this one.<< I've just been watching mostly. You are all doing very well without me. I am a resource person on two national pregnancy hotlines. I advise women working with lead to know what their blood lead counts are before they even get a glint in their eye. We know that lead easily crosses the placental barrier. We also know that children with blood leads of 10 micrograms per deciliter (ug/dl) have somewhat reduced mental acuity. The fetus' brain and nervous system are probably even more sensitive to damage from lead. If a mother has a blood lead of 10 to 15 ug/dl, she can give birth to a fine healthy baby. But if she wants to give her child the very best start in life she can, she should try to keep her blood lead as low as she can manage. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 19:40:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujGIe-0000hBa; Wed, 24 Jul 96 19:37 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: McFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul24.154013.0> References: <<1996Jul25.14330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Monona Rossol wrote: > I am a resource person on two national pregnancy hotlines. I advise women > working with lead to know what their blood lead counts are before they even get > a glint in their eye. What about a (lead)-poisoned male impregnating a healthy mate? Any possible problems? Is it true that lead reduces a man's sperm count? * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 06:52:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujQkp-0000YYa; Thu, 25 Jul 96 06:47 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul25.54431.0> References: <<1996Jul24.154013.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk McFrenzy wrote: > > Monona Rossol wrote: > > > I am a resource person on two national pregnancy hotlines. I advise women > > working with lead to know what their blood lead counts are before they even get > > a glint in their eye. > > What about a (lead)-poisoned male impregnating a healthy mate? Any > possible problems? Is it true that lead reduces a man's sperm count? > > * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. > * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine > also > * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass personnally i don't think lead is really that big an issue for stained glass, unless you work with lead came. for the most part it's the toxic chemicals that you breath in. and besides in order for lead to effect you physicaly there has to be a build up of it. so doing a few projects now (i don't think) should effect you in the short term. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 08:31:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujSLV-0000KBa; Thu, 25 Jul 96 08:29 PDT X-Path: awinc.com!jthomson From: Juile Thomson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: truth or myth?, fact or fiction? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:29:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul25.12939.0> References: <<199607241706.MAA29960@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: Hi Len. I work at for a primary lead and zinc producer in the lead smelter. Chemistry hasn't ever been my "thing", so I talked to one of the chemical engineers here to see if he could help with your questions. > Non-ferous metals like lead, zinc and copper form a protective surface oxide > that protects the metal from oxidizing clear through like iron? Lead, at least, doesn't oxidize. That's just the way it is, I'm told. Sometimes lead will have a white coating on the outside of it; this coating is a carbonate, not an oxide. I believe that zinc also doesn't react to air; that would be why people use galvanized steel (steel dipped into molten zinc for protection). > The paper lead that I've seen on very old windows exposed to the elements > and still pretty much intact might have actually been an alloy? I'm told that lead is pretty much inert that way... it just doesn't (noticeably) react to the elements. Doesn't matter whether or not it's an alloy. > What prevents 100+ year old lead (YUCK!) flashing from deteriorating into > nothingness? See above... > Does antimony do more then just stiffen the lead? Nope. That's about all it does. Antimonial lead is quite hard and brittle. I worked down in the lead alloy plant (where refined lead is alloyed with various other metals and cast for sale) before moving to the smelter last year. I once dropped an antimonial lead "pig" (ingot) and it broke right in half! A pure lead pig was dropped and it simply dented. > I'm asking Hope this info satisfies your curiosity! Julie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 09:38:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujTOk-0000eSa; Thu, 25 Jul 96 09:36 PDT X-Path: vetmed.wsu.edu!JCGRAHN From: "Jennifer C. Grahn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:35:46 PST8PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to thank all of you for your helpful comments and much needed humor. Monona -- I had a lead level check done if Feb (long before we started trying) and it was 5 ug/dl. Thanks for the numbers, it gave me a much better idea of what my level ment. Sue -- I'm not a vet or a vet student. Although I spend alot time with both. I work as a tech in one of the labs in the vet school. Hope your daughter enjoys herself. It seems like hard work, but all the students I know say that its worth it. Many thanks to all of you! Jen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 11:09:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujUoh-0000lma; Thu, 25 Jul 96 11:07 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: "Julie M. Thomson" Subject: Re: antimony Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 10:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199607251742.KAA12285@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Antimony EXPANDS as it cools...hence "anti"... Used it for many years when I was a handcast type setter. Antimony was added to the lead/tin mix to fill the serfs and kerns in and casting large face types. -- Construction done for now: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 12:48:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujWL9-0000fca; Thu, 25 Jul 96 12:44 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Update on Nashville Show? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607251944.PAA16119@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering who attended the Nashville show for the AGSA (International Art Glass Suppliers Association). Did you see anything of interest, take any fun classes, or have an opportunity to meet any of the wonderful individuals in this group? Or did you attend Vicki Paynes "Glass Extravaganza"? Thanks in advance for sharing! Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 20:26:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujdRY-0000K8a; Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:20 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregna Date: 25 Jul 96 23:18:14 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul26.31814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>personnally i don't think lead is really that big an issue for stained >>glass, unless you work with lead came. for the most part it's the toxic >>chemicals that you breath in. and besides in order for lead to effect >>you physicaly there has to be a build up of it. so doing a few projects >>now (i don't think) should effect you in the short term.<< It doesn't matter what we **think,** the important thing is to **find out** what your blood lead is before you get busy trying. Then you will know if the amount or type of stained glass you do results in significant exposure or not. We get our eyes tested, our teeth checked, our chests x-rayed, and on and on and on. This is just one more test that makes good common sense for any one working with lead. If nothing else, it will put a person's mind at ease for the task ahead! ANd if you are successful and produce those healthy babies, they will grow old enough in a few years to tell you that you have never done anything right in your life. AHA! Now you can tell them you got your lead test! Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 20:26:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujdRS-0000PSa; Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:19 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregna Date: 25 Jul 96 23:17:46 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul26.31746.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mickey, >>What about a (lead)-poisoned male impregnating a healthy mate? Any >>possible problems? Is it true that lead reduces a man's sperm count?<< There are a number of studies showing effects on pregnancy outcome when males are lead-exposed. They are not as clear cut as the female studies, but they collectively seem to indicate higher rates of spontaneous abortion, low birthweight babies, and preterm deliveries. Its funny you should ask, because just today, someone brought another of these studies to my attention done in Scotland from 1981-1984 and reported in Lancet in 1991. I missed it. It showed significantly more premies born to fathers who worked in the ceramics industry. Lead does affect sperm count, from subtile effects at low levels to outright sterility are very high ones. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 21:52:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujeoX-00004Ta; Thu, 25 Jul 96 21:47 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: McFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul25.175039.0> References: <<1996Jul25.54431.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > personnally i don't think lead is really that big an issue for stained > glass, unless you work with lead came. for the most part it's the toxic > chemicals that you breath in. and besides in order for lead to effect > you physicaly there has to be a build up of it. so doing a few projects > now (i don't think) should effect you in the short term. > > ---Mike Savad I thought one of the most toxic aspects of the work was soldering which produces airborn lead particles. I have a genuine concern here, seeing that I have built leaded windows for almost 25 years now. -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 26 06:51:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujnBq-0000mPa; Fri, 26 Jul 96 06:44 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregna Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul26.54619.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I agree totally! Even though I don't think there is a possibility of me getting pregnant (wrong gender - pitcher, not catcher ;), I was very concerned about my lead levels. I recently (last Friday) had mine checked. In addition to doing glass, I also cast lead bullets, sinkers, lures, and shoot competition pistols indoors, so I'm sure you can see my concern about any added exposure. Like I mentioned before, I am always careful whenever I work with lead in any form. I feel (since I have no medical training), that as long as one observes reasonable caution, the exposure while doing glass is minimal. I don't want to see us all become as paranoid as the government is about lead. They have been trying to "ban" lead in all forms for years. I know of one local official who even tried to close down a licensed outdoor shooting range here in texas by filing suit against them for contaminating the ground with lead (no kidding, shooting range, lead in the ground, funny, I thought that's where it came from origionally ;) . Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 26 18:37:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ujyH8-0000EHa; Fri, 26 Jul 96 18:34 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregna Date: 26 Jul 96 21:33:13 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul27.13313.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>I was very concerned about my lead levels. I recently (last Friday) had >>mine checked.<< It might be helpful to know what the level was. I live in a run-down quaint old six-floor walk up in NYC and manage to have one of 4 micrograms/deciliter. >> I don't want to see us all become as paranoid as the government is >>about lead. They have been trying to "ban" lead in all forms for years.<< Nah. They just regulate the forms of lead which were clearly known to harm children and families and they set up rules for lead-related jobs that clearly have been shown to damage workers in great numbers. >>I know of one local official who even tried to close down a licensed outdoor >>shooting range here in texas by filing suit against them for contaminating >>the ground with lead (no kidding, shooting range, lead in the ground, funny, >>I thought that's where it came from origionally ;) .<< Lead originally was was deep in the ground in ores that didn't contaminate ground water and wasn't in little pellets and dust which becomes available to children and wildlife. If the owners of that shooting range ever try to move from that location, they may find that they have to take all their contaminated dirt with them. Many operators of shooting ranges, including the US Army, have had to dig up large amounts of soil from outdoor ranges and haul it to toxic waste dumps. Can't plant 'taters in it either. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 08:50:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukBaw-0000mNa; Sat, 27 Jul 96 08:47 PDT X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: FLWright's golden glass Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1996Jul27.74740.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Some time back there was a discussion of how that golden glass got that way. Here's some info from another list about treating crystals with gold. Can't remember if this process was discussed here or not. > > As I understand it, Aqua Aura is natural clear quartz that has been put in > a chamber in which vaporized gold is deposited on its surface in such a way > as to be permanently bonded to it. Surprisingly, it is the gold that gives > the aqua color as well as the slightly iridescent sheen. > > I hope someone else will give a somewhat more technical explanation of the > process, but I hope this helps to get you started. > Yours is hard to improve on. Well, maybe by specifying that this "chamber" is a vacuum chamber. Once the air is pumped out, a small gold wire is hit with a high-voltage charge which vaporizes it; the vapor deposits over everything inside (and of course what doesn't get on the "Aqua-Aura" item is recycled). It's the same process used by amateur astronomers to put a perfectly even reflecting surface of aluminum on telescope mirrors; the mechanism is awkward because of the need for a vacuum chamber, but there's nothing really fancy about it. -- Dick Eney ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 09:02:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukBkU-0000m5a; Sat, 27 Jul 96 08:57 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: Band saws Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <199607271557.LAA05908@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Could someone offer advice or opion concerning band saws for stained glass? I am quite new to the craft, and have not only never used one, but haven't seen one except on TV or in catalogs. I saw one advertised somewhere that uses a wire type blade as opposed to the usual flat type. Seems it would be better for complex cuts. Any opions? Thanks; Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 10:04:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukCh8-0000aaa; Sat, 27 Jul 96 09:58 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Band saws Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:52:08 -0700 Message-ID: <199607271652.JAA10949@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 11:54 27-07-96 -0400, you wrote: >Could someone offer advice or opion concerning band saws for stained >glass? I am quite new to the craft, and have not only never used one, but >haven't seen one except on TV or in catalogs. I saw one advertised >somewhere that uses a wire type blade as opposed to the usual flat type. >Seems it would be better for complex cuts. Any opions? >Thanks; > Karl > I recently purchased a Gryphon Diamond Band Saw Model C and it has come in very handy for my deep curve cuts. I struggled with these cuts early in my crafting days and this tool has made the whole process more enjoyable. I don't rely on it for much but when it's needed, I'm glad I have it. Kay >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 10:15:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukCwS-0000E2a; Sat, 27 Jul 96 10:14 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Ring Saw???? Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: <199607271720.NAA09321@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am thinking about getting a Gemini Ring Saw-Wonder if anyone has experience with ring saws in general and Gemini brand in particular??? I would also like to cut Agate geode slabs (slabs that already cut, just to shape them) and some other stones. This would not take the place of a Lapidary Slab saw, just to shape already cut stones. Also would want it to cut several thicknesses of glass if possible.. Any experience or information out there would be appreciated. Thanks in Advance Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 10:20:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukCzp-00003za; Sat, 27 Jul 96 10:17 PDT X-Path: netline.net!leestat From: leestat@netline.net (Lee Boe) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Band saws Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: <199607271724.NAA09374@tesla.netline.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karl, you are thinking of a ring saw: your local SG supply should have flyers on these. See my question on them, I am thinking of getting a Gemini Taurus I or Taurus II Lets see what comment come back on both of our questions. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations >Could someone offer advice or opion concerning band saws for stained >glass? I am quite new to the craft, and have not only never used one, but >haven't seen one except on TV or in catalogs. I saw one advertised >somewhere that uses a wire type blade as opposed to the usual flat type. >Seems it would be better for complex cuts. Any opions? >Thanks; > Karl > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 10:22:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukD2C-0000aWa; Sat, 27 Jul 96 10:20 PDT X-Path: .erols.com!cynsch From: Cynthia Schwartz To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Advice about the gold/brass-look Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199607271720.NAA09428@smtp2.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please unsubscribe us from your group. Thank you! Leonard Schwartz cynsch@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 10:44:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukDN8-0000j8a; Sat, 27 Jul 96 10:41 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ring Saw???? Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:35:40 -0700 Message-ID: <199607271735.KAA14425@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 13:20 27-07-96 -0400, you wrote: >I am thinking about getting a Gemini Ring Saw-Wonder if anyone has >experience with ring saws in general and Gemini brand in particular??? . > > If you need to cut "jig saw puzzle" type pieces then the Ring Saw is what you need. If you just need something for deep curves, I recommend a diamond band saw. Just love mine. Kay >. >> > >---- From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 11:23:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukDzy-0000Qra; Sat, 27 Jul 96 11:21 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: truth or myth?, fact or fiction? Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 13:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: <199607271818.NAA15120@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:29 AM 7/25/96 -0700, Juile Thomson wrote: > >Hi Len. I work at for a primary lead and zinc producer in the lead smelter. >Chemistry hasn't ever been my "thing", so I talked to one of the chemical >engineers here to see if he could help with your questions. > >Lead, at least, doesn't oxidize. That's just the way it is, I'm told. >Sometimes lead will have a white coating on the outside of it; this coating is >a carbonate, not an oxide. I believe that zinc also doesn't react to air; >that would be why people use galvanized steel (steel dipped into molten zinc >for protection). > >I'm told that lead is pretty much inert that way... it just doesn't >(noticeably) react to the elements. Doesn't matter whether or not it's an >alloy. > Antimonial lead is quite hard and brittle. >I worked down in the lead alloy plant (where refined lead is alloyed with >various other metals and cast for sale) before moving to the smelter last >year. I once dropped an antimonial lead "pig" (ingot) and it broke right in >half! A pure lead pig was dropped and it simply dented.> > >Hope this info satisfies your curiosity!> > >Julie Hi Julie, Thanks for the info, very interesting! So it's the carbonate that causes the lead and zinc to darken? Say, you should invite Monona over for a tour of your plant I bet that would be a riot ;-) Thanks again Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 13:07:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukFah-0000Tya; Sat, 27 Jul 96 13:03 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Band saws Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:01:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul27.12154.0> References: <<199607271557.LAA05908@moltar.cetlink.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk KARL L. PREISACH wrote: > > Could someone offer advice or opion concerning band saws for stained > glass? I am quite new to the craft, and have not only never used one, but > haven't seen one except on TV or in catalogs. I saw one advertised > somewhere that uses a wire type blade as opposed to the usual flat type. > Seems it would be better for complex cuts. Any opions? > Thanks; > Karl > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if your new to the craft you should'nt get a bandsaw, your glass cutter will do at least 90-95% of the cutting. the wire blade is a ringsaw, the smallest goes for about $600.00. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 15:35:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukHv7-0000UUa; Sat, 27 Jul 96 15:33 PDT X-Path: cetlink.net!karlp From: "KARL L. PREISACH" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: Bands & Rings Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 18:04:13 -0400 Message-ID: <199607272233.SAA12283@moltar.cetlink.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for the info on band and ring saws. It is great to be able to tap into so much unbiased knowledge. I think I will stick to cutting and grinding, especially considering the price of saws and replacement blades. BTW, I really do know how to spell opinion (what a dolt). Thanks again. Karl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 19:14:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukLKv-0000Nta; Sat, 27 Jul 96 19:12 PDT X-Path: prodigy.com!XLBR14A From: XLBR14A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT A SIGMON) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Ring Saw Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 22:01:10, -0500 Message-ID: <199607280201.WAA16122@mime3.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk While your cutter should be able to do 95% of the cutting that you do, intricate patterns and deep inside curves are made much less frustrating. Obviously, the cost of the ring saw must be justified (I need it, I want it , I deserve it). The Taurus I is a great saw and I am very glad to have it. I only use it for wild curves because the cutter and the grinder is still faster and very efficient for most patterns. If you decide to buy a saw of any sort, it certainly relieves stress especially with expensive glass. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 27 20:31:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukMVj-0000VNa; Sat, 27 Jul 96 20:27 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: truth or myth?, fact Date: 27 Jul 96 23:26:09 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul28.3269.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:29 AM 7/25/96 -0700, Juile Thomson wrote: >Lead, at least, doesn't oxidize. That's just the way it is, I'm told. >Sometimes lead will have a white coating on the outside of it; this coating >is a carbonate, not an oxide.< When you cut lead it is shiny and metallic. Surface compounds begin to form almost immediately. It grows dull and, depending on the atmosphere it is in, it will acquire a white, grey or even brown/black tone. Lead carbonate is white. When the lead surface takes on a dark color it is usually a mixture of oxides or even a sulfide under certain conditions. Not only does lead react with air, it really reacts with water. Lead flashing and roofing corrodes very slowly away and has to be replaced. ANd usually the area is stained dark where the lead was--and that's not a carbonate. And just like old lead plumbing, the lead roofs also leach lead into all the run-off water and can be an environmental problem. >I believe that zinc also doesn't react to air; >that would be why people >use galvanized steel (steel dipped into molten zinc >for protection). > Zinc also reacts with air. When we design buildings and specify galvanized for roof elements or ventilation equipment, we have to plan for replacement in a few years. Zinc is a very useful coating because it will lengthen the life of cheap steel by keeping it from rusting--that is until the zinc coating is finally all corroded away. If you need metal to last longer, you need to use stainless steel. That's about as inert as you are going to get and it still corrodes through after some years in the elements. >I'm told that lead is pretty much inert that way... it just doesn't >(noticeably) react to the elements. Doesn't matter whether or not it's an >alloy. Len wrote: >> So it's the carbonate that causes the lead and zinc to darken?<< Nope. See above. >>Say, you should invite Monona over for a tour of your plant I bet that would >>be a riot ;-)<< Thank's for trying to get work for me Len! I was just going to leave this discussion alone, but I loved this comment. Monona ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 28 10:04:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukZAd-0000asa; Sun, 28 Jul 96 09:58 PDT X-Path: awinc.com!jthomson From: "Julie M. Thomson" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: truth or myth?, fact Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 09:56:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul28.25657.0> References: <<1996Jul28.3269.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Monona - Thanks for the information. As I said in my original post, chemistry is not my "thing"... and I guess my chemical engineer friend didn't pass on correct information. Julie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 28 18:39:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukhGx-0000maa; Sun, 28 Jul 96 18:37 PDT X-Path: vkm.com!ABBES From: Steve Abbe To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass etching in western Iowa Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:31:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01I7MB8O73AU001OIW@mr.vkm.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Can anyone point me to a resource for glass etching/carving locate somewhere in or close to western Iowa. (Omaha NE. or Des Moines IA perhaps) Some one came to me with a design that would work better etched into glass with a bas relief (sp?) that made out of cut/leaded glass. Any help welcome Thanks Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 28 19:23:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukhwb-0000nTa; Sun, 28 Jul 96 19:20 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!70544.3642 From: "Albert Lewis [IGGA]" <70544.3642@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Glass etching in western Date: 28 Jul 96 22:19:09 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul29.2199.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Can anyone point me to a resource for glass etching/carving locate >somewhere in or close to western Iowa. (Omaha NE. or Des Moines IA >perhaps) Sure, Steve; here's a member near you who does etching in glass: Ron Kopietz R&B Design 10021 P Street Omaha NE 68127 ..........................Phone: ( 402 ) 592 - 2676 Hope this helps. Albert __________________________________________ Albert Lewis Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. __________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 29 09:55:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukvZG-0000pja; Mon, 29 Jul 96 09:53 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: antimony Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: <199607291650.LAA25722@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:43 AM 7/25/96 -0500, Elaine & Howard Rubin wrote: >-- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >Antimony EXPANDS as it cools...hence "anti"... FASCINATING!?!?! ---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 29 10:40:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ukwGQ-0000sNa; Mon, 29 Jul 96 10:37 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: time for holiday(not much glass content) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 12:34:43 -0500 Message-ID: <199607291734.MAA26456@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Well it's time to take a break from the lead dust... and those nasty little wounds you get when you work with ripple glass... and trying to convince people that something other then a hummingbird window is cool... and hunching over a work table...and all of that stuff So it's off to the S.W., 4 corners, Santa Fe, Taos, the high country, Anasazi ruins and all of that. Should be monumentally inspirational and pleasurable. If anyone knows of a special place to camp and visit please let me know! Also Imight consider a short visit to a glass studio in that area if the work is something exceptional WARNING: I'm not easily impressed after 20 years in the biz :-) See ya in a couple of weeks TIA Len BTW... I will stay subscribed until wed a.m. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 29 15:05:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ul0O6-0000Xaa; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:02 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Health &Safety Data Sheets (Up-Date) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:44:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199607292213.XAA31336@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood - please ;Am trying to reach you directly as it would be a little unfair to burden the GROUP with all the volume of information on Health & Safety. Have been off the air best part of the week, due to "restructuring"of computer system and "upgrading" by my Computer Guru. Have you also got a FAX number at which I can reach you??? Again, EVERYBODY OUT THERE, I cannot tell you how overwhelmed I am at the mind-blowing response I am getting from all of you!!! The messages of support,encouragements, "go-get-the bastards" on my private e-mail, is quite something!!! This is NOT a 24-hour project; I will have to hammer away at this for 1-2-3 bloody YEARS !!! Interesting, I notice, all sorts of people are NOW raising HEALTH & SAFETY questions, including "pregnancy" (nice one!!) and blood lead testing..... All very relevant; Listen folks, THIS life that we have is REAL, that's IT, it's NOT a dress-rehearsal - it's the real thing!!! Can you afford to screw it up? I am a bit of a cynic, despair some times of humanity and humanity's ability for compassion and giving. YOU have certainly ALL knocked that one on the head. You are a wonderful crowd. I feel incredibly priveleged. I am PROUD like hell to be a STAINED GLASS ARTIST !! Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 29 15:32:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ul0o4-0000faa; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:28 PDT X-Path: gr.cns.net!Pristine From: McFrenzy To: Glass Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:31:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1996Jul29.113153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Monona and/or anyone who knows, One last (perhaps stupid) question. Where does one go for a lead test and what kind of test is best? -- * mickey mackenzie for Pristine Glass Co. * pristine@gr.cns.net * http://www.cns.net/pristine also * mickey@grfn.org * http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 29 15:54:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ul18O-0000Rta; Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:49 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Subscribe Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:48:47 -0700 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Hi, I got a new provider to save some $$$ new address is leestat@gte.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 29 19:32:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ul4Yk-0000ZTa; Mon, 29 Jul 96 19:29 PDT X-Path: pacificnet.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregnancy Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:23:00 -0700 Message-ID: <199607300223.TAA25574@polaris.pacificnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 01:40:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulALG-0000Fra; Tue, 30 Jul 96 01:39 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Update on Nashville Show? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 04:37:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul30.03759.0> References: <<199607251944.PAA16119@vixa.voyager.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Delphi Stained Glass wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering who attended the Nashville show for the AGSA (International > Art Glass Suppliers Association). Did you see anything of interest, take > any fun classes, or have an opportunity to meet any of the wonderful > individuals in this group? Or did you attend Vicki Paynes "Glass Extravaganza"? > > Thanks in advance for sharing! > Stephanie, I attended the show, and am just catching up on my mail. The things that I was impressed with was American Bevels new design software that includes a library of all the American Bevels. In the future, it should also include a library of all the glass samples of all the glass manufacturers, so that when you draw a design, and use the glass chips, your picture on the screen will look exactly like the finished project! (Now I just have to buy a color printer!) American Bevel's page is http://www.americanbevel.com The other new item that came out that I thought wow! it's about time...was the flux pen. It works like a magic marker! Apparently the nibs wear out, and the manufacturer suggested retailers buy extra nibs about 3 for every pen. And they suggested it only be used in tight situations like fluxing hinges, so it's not a do everything type product, but it will have it's use. Hope it catches on. And yes Symphone Ultra non-lead came is still available from Fry Metals. They had a wonderful display of their came that looked like wrought-iron. It was wonderfully shiney! Kokomo had a wonderful stained glass on display. It should be available on new posters. It was an outdoor scene with flowers in the foreground then reverse painting of the trees in the background. It was sooooo realistic looking! I'm glad I got to see it in person! The name of the piece is Rhododenfron made by Steven Stelz of Stelz Studios, Flemington, NJ. Kokomo's page is http://www.kog.com The new Spectrum Antique glass looks wonderful also. I'm told it will be coming out in all the current colors of waterglass, and is priced right. Of course there were lots of new books, the main theme being new stepping stone designs. Also new are ceramic tiles that you can make with glass. Unfortunately, I can't find my notebook with all the literature I gathered, so if I come up with other things I forgot, I will post them later. I attended only retailer seminars which were well worth the price! If anyone attended any others I would be interested in hearing how they went. I came back excited about glass. I hope this transfers to all my customers! Joyce Moran Garden of Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 08:18:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulGYI-0000G0a; Tue, 30 Jul 96 08:17 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux pens Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:17:46 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <9607301517.AA07305@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1996Jul30.03759.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Joyce wrote: > The other new item that came out that I thought wow! it's about > time...was the flux pen. It works like a magic marker! Apparently the > nibs wear out, and the manufacturer suggested retailers buy extra nibs > about 3 for every pen. And they suggested it only be used in tight > situations like fluxing hinges, so it's not a do everything type > product, but it will have it's use. Hope it catches on. That reminds me of the gadget I've been using for applying water-based flux: it's a bit like a childs gluepen - a roughly finger sized plastic tube, with a foam rubber tip that the flux soaks through, and a screw cap at the other end for refilling it. I think it's probably a standard office equipment thingy for stamps to save you having to lick them :-). -- _|_ Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) / | Hemel Hempstead, UK jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \_|_ jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) \__/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 08:47:08 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulH0A-0000YDa; Tue, 30 Jul 96 08:46 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Stained glass/pregna Date: 30 Jul 96 11:44:56 EDT Message-ID: <1996Jul30.154456.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mickey wrote: >>Monona and/or anyone who knows, >> One last (perhaps stupid) question. >>Where does one go for a lead test and what kind of test is best? Not stupid at all! Your regular physician SHOULD know, but some don't keep up. It must be a blood test. If they talk about a urine test, they haven't brushed up on the technology since the 1970's. Urine tests are not accurate and are not allowed for workers under OSHA rules. If they talk about a hair test, run for the hills, they're practicing voodoo. Sending to a good lab is important. There are medical consumer hot lines that evaluate these labs if you think yours is Two Guys & Garage, Inc. There are also some cities that have State Health Departments that will do the test for very little and they are usually excellent labs. You might inquire. Good luck. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 10:29:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulIbH-0000nMa; Tue, 30 Jul 96 10:28 PDT X-Path: accesscomm.net!spinn From: spinn@accesscomm.net (Stephen Pinn) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Crystal Blanks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:30:50 GMT Message-ID: <31fe4614.6793024@mail.accesscomm.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: PinnCorp. Precedence: bulk I do a fair bit of award and decorative glass engraving using sandblasting. I have been buying stock blanks from Rayzist as well as my local stained glass whoseslaer. Can anyone direct me to a company that can cast and polish custom blanks of either crystal or glass? Thanks - Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 13:35:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulLUI-0000KYa; Tue, 30 Jul 96 13:33 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glue question Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I need some suggestions. I don't usually make suncatchers but a friend who plays the guitar did me a favor, so I designed a simple guitar with 3 pieces: the traditionally shaped body with a sound hole, a neck thingy (the long thing with frets on it) and a bridge. I first glued the bridge on with silicon caulk stuff and gave a little extra silicon support to the neck of the guitar although it was at least soldered in two places where it meets the edge of the body. I was trying to avoid having to solder either the neck or the bridge to the sound hole since they technically don't make contact with the hole. All was going well until I attempted to solder copper wire 'strings' on the bridge and put tension on them so that they would be reasonably straight when soldered to the end of the neck. I think the heat from the soldering iron must have affected the silicon because the bridge came off and the neck raised to a 45 degree angle. (definitely not your typical guitar) I have thought about cutting a space for the neck to fit into the body of the guitar but would prefer not doing that. And besides, that won't solve the problem of gluing the bridge on anyway. Any ideas about glue, other assembly methods, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 15:07:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulMwD-0000Lya; Tue, 30 Jul 96 15:06 PDT X-Path: deltanet.com!wldsculp From: wldsculp@deltanet.com ((Kim & Susan)) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Crystal Blanks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I do a fair bit of award and decorative glass engraving using >sandblasting. I have been buying stock blanks from Rayzist as well as >my local stained glass whoseslaer. Can anyone direct me to a company >that can cast and polish custom blanks of either crystal or glass? Steve, I you find anyone, please let us know. Regards. K & S ...fly-by-net...Marketing KS@fly-by-net.com http://www.fly-by-net.com ___________________________ !__ /||&} < _______>======/_||(========<________ > < =============== > < ============= > <--vvvvvvvv( \/ \vvvvv--> /_/_____) =========================== | FLY-BY-NET.COM | |=========================| ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 18:04:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulPhm-0000n5a; Tue, 30 Jul 96 18:04 PDT X-Path: mars.superlink.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul30.17157.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue Eiszler wrote: > > I need some suggestions. I don't usually make suncatchers but a friend who > plays the guitar did me a favor, so I designed a simple guitar with 3 > pieces: the traditionally shaped body with a sound hole, a neck thingy (the > long thing with frets on it) and a bridge. > > I first glued the bridge on with silicon caulk stuff and gave a little > extra silicon support to the neck of the guitar although it was at least > soldered in two places where it meets the edge of the body. I was trying > to avoid having to solder either the neck or the bridge to the sound hole > since they technically don't make contact with the hole. All was going > well until I attempted to solder copper wire 'strings' on the bridge and > put tension on them so that they would be reasonably straight when soldered > to the end of the neck. I think the heat from the soldering iron must have > affected the silicon because the bridge came off and the neck raised to a > 45 degree angle. (definitely not your typical guitar) > > I have thought about cutting a space for the neck to fit into the body of > the guitar but would prefer not doing that. And besides, that won't solve > the problem of gluing the bridge on anyway. > > Any ideas about glue, other assembly methods, etc. would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks. > > Sue > susan.eiszler@nethawk.com > 1091@nethawk.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass try this: solder the wires on the top of the guitar (top of the neck). then make a thick wire bridge (brazing wire or something like that), solder the thin wires on the bridge piece first, maybe even wrapping the this wire around the bridge first for more strength. make sure that you have the "strings at the right length". when soldered carefully pull it semi taught, then glue it. i would'nt use silicone, (one pluck even for fun may make the wire pop off), i would use a 5 minute epoxy, (you'll have to hold in place some how until the glue sets up enough to hold the strings tight enough. ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 20:04:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulRYR-0000sIa; Tue, 30 Jul 96 20:02 PDT X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: Joyce Moran To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux pens Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:00:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1996Jul30.19026.0> References: <<9607301517.AA07305@crosfield.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > That reminds me of the gadget I've been using for applying water-based flux: > it's a bit like a childs gluepen - a roughly finger sized plastic tube, with > a foam rubber tip that the flux soaks through, and a screw cap at the other > end for refilling it. I think it's probably a standard office equipment > thingy for stamps to save you having to lick them :-). The flux pens are definitely more fine tipped than that. These are small like the paint markers, but not as fine as the sharpies. I never really thought about the stamp lickers...how long do they last? and do they apply too much flux? something I may look into for a few students who don't do well with flux brushes... Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 30 20:51:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulSJE-0000dla; Tue, 30 Jul 96 20:50 PDT X-Path: onramp.net!cc From: "Cindy Gordon" To: Subject: Re: Flux pens Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199607310350.WAA23644@mailhost.onramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This sounds like a great idea. Do the "stamp lickers" leak? Do you have to empty after each use to prevent it from leaking, or from evaporating? Sounds like a great solution for those of us who have two left thumb syndrome at times and like to knock over the flux bottles... ---------- > That reminds me of the gadget I've been using for applying water-based flux: > it's a bit like a childs gluepen - a roughly finger sized plastic tube, with > a foam rubber tip that the flux soaks through, and a screw cap at the other > end for refilling it. I think it's probably a standard office equipment > thingy for stamps to save you having to lick them :-). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 31 08:01:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulcjv-0000Cqa; Wed, 31 Jul 96 07:59 PDT X-Path: sunams.usma.army.mil!yj3673 From: yj3673@sunams.usma.army.mil (McLaughlin John COL) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Wed Jul 31 10:59:18 1996 Message-ID: <9607311459.AA04007@sunams.usma.army.mil> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue, If you have a kiln, you may try fusing the parts instead of glue. John ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 31 14:27:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ulin1-0000pAa; Wed, 31 Jul 96 14:26 PDT X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks, Mike! >try this: solder the wires on the top of the guitar (top of the neck). >then make a thick wire bridge (brazing wire or something like that), >solder the thin wires on the bridge piece first, maybe even wrapping the >this wire around the bridge first for more strength. make sure that you >have the "strings at the right length". when soldered carefully pull it >semi taught, then glue it. i would'nt use silicone, (one pluck even for >fun may make the wire pop off), i would use a 5 minute epoxy, (you'll >have to hold in place some how until the glue sets up enough to hold the >strings tight enough. Sue susan.eiszler@nethawk.com 1091@nethawk.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 31 15:16:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0uljZ0-0000a4a; Wed, 31 Jul 96 15:16 PDT X-Path: gte.net!"leestat@gte.net" From: leestat <"leestat@gte.net"@gte.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flux pens Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 18:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1996Jul30.19026.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lee Boe Precedence: bulk Joyce Moran wrote: > > > That reminds me of the gadget I've been using for applying water-based flux: > > it's a bit like a childs gluepen - a roughly finger sized plastic tube, with------------ Hi all, I use a q-tip to apply flux, both liquid and gel. It works very nice, and use a little cup or saucer to put a small amount of flux in, that avoids the usual "knock-over" of the flux bottle. Throw away q-tip when your done, and always have a new one for the next side, or next project. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 31 17:41:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ullop-0000k2a; Wed, 31 Jul 96 17:40 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Crystal Blanks Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:40:43 -0700 Message-ID: <199608010040.RAA20528@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >I do a fair bit of award and decorative glass engraving using >sandblasting. I have been buying stock blanks from Rayzist as well as >my local stained glass whoseslaer. Can anyone direct me to a company >that can cast and polish custom blanks of either crystal or glass? > >Thanks - Steve >---- > Where are you located?? ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 31 17:48:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ullvj-0000tMa; Wed, 31 Jul 96 17:47 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glue question Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:47:52 -0700 Message-ID: <199608010047.RAA25794@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >try this: solder the wires on the top of the guitar (top of the neck). >then make a thick wire bridge (brazing wire or something like that), >solder the thin wires on the bridge piece first, maybe even wrapping the >this wire around the bridge first for more strength. make sure that you >have the "strings at the right length". when soldered carefully pull it >semi taught, then glue it. i would'nt use silicone, (one pluck even for >fun may make the wire pop off), i would use a 5 minute epoxy, (you'll >have to hold in place some how until the glue sets up enough to hold the >strings tight enough. > >---Mike Savad >---- If you read the specs on five minuet epoxy and silicone (100%) you will find that Sue did indeed use the proper product. It is very posible that she did not properly clean one or both pieces of glass. In any case silicone properly used is much better for securing glass to glass than most epoxies available for consumer use. The other posibility is that Sue did not let the silicone cure long enough. We must be pacient when working in the arts. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass