From owner-glass Mon Jan 1 20:33:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tWyPN-0000cZa; Mon, 1 Jan 96 20:33 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: Happy and Good new Year Date: Mon, 01 Jan 96 20:34:26 -0500 Message-ID: <199601020433.UAA18255@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi This is Howard....the title says it all Enjoy...it is only glass -- Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com From owner-glass Mon Jan 1 21:46:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tWzXw-0000XVa; Mon, 1 Jan 96 21:46 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Happy and Good new Year Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 21:45:58 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hi This is Howard....the title says it all > Enjoy...it is only glass Happy New Year to you too! Any new projects on the go for 96? I myself am waiting for the leadcame class to start so I can restore the antique panel my neighbor gave me. (starts this month I think). Did you sell many pieces this Christmas? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Mon Jan 1 22:48:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tX0Vg-000048a; Mon, 1 Jan 96 22:47 PST X-Path: BETA.DELPHI.COM!mygon227 From: Michael White To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Kalidoscopes Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 01:39:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601020639.BAA03639@camus-s1.delphi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone out there making kalidoscopes? And what kind of price you asking? !!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! O_O Michael A. White !!! !!!!!!! /@ @\ mygon227@beta.delphi.com !!!!!! \ x / !!!!!!/ m !m !!!!/ __ | Sometimes..... !!!!|/ \__ I feel like a nut! !!!\______\ From owner-glass Tue Jan 2 10:08:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXB7J-0000Fpa; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:07 PST X-Path: yfn.ysu.edu!at994 From: at994@yfn.ysu.edu (Karen Margala) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: none Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <199601021703.MAA05097@yfn.ysu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe From owner-glass Tue Jan 2 11:16:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXCAv-0000hia; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:15 PST X-Path: stf1.css.edu!RKOLBAK From: RICK KOLBAK To: Stained Glass Listserve Subject: FW: none Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 13:09:00 PST Message-ID: <30E9A08D@mailgate.css.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there no what this is? I've been getting a number of subscribe and unsubscribe messages? Thanks! ---------- From: at994 To: glass Subject: none Date: Tuesday, January 02, 1996 12:03PM Unsubscribe From owner-glass Tue Jan 2 11:16:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXCBN-0000jAa; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:15 PST X-Path: stf1.css.edu!RKOLBAK From: RICK KOLBAK To: Stained Glass Listserve Subject: FW: none Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 13:10:00 PST Message-ID: <30E9A0AF@mailgate.css.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone out the know what this is all about? I've been getting a number of subscribe and unsubscribe messages? Thanks! RKolbak@stf1.css.edu ---------- From: at994 To: glass Subject: none Date: Tuesday, January 02, 1996 12:03PM Unsubscribe From owner-glass Tue Jan 2 12:56:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXDjU-0000eOa; Tue, 2 Jan 96 12:54 PST X-Path: stf1.css.edu!RKOLBAK From: RICK KOLBAK To: Stained Glass Listserve Subject: FW: Stained Glass Newsgroup Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 14:49:00 PST Message-ID: <30E9B7F6@mailgate.css.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Additionally....does anyone know what this means? RKolbak@stf1.css.edu ---------- From: CHRIS GRAHAM To: glass Subject: Stained Glass Newsgroup Date: Saturday, December 30, 1995 7:49PM subscribe cgraham@pc.jaring.my (Chris Graham) From owner-glass Tue Jan 2 20:49:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXL7x-0000mxa; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:48 PST X-Path: BETA.DELPHI.COM!mygon227 From: Michael White To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: Stained Glass Newsgroup Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:38:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601030438.XAA18501@camus-s1.delphi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 02:49 PM 1/2/96 PST, you wrote: > >Additionally....does anyone know what this means? > >RKolbak@stf1.css.edu > ---------- >From: CHRIS GRAHAM >To: glass >Subject: Stained Glass Newsgroup >Date: Saturday, December 30, 1995 7:49PM > >subscribe cgraham@pc.jaring.my (Chris Graham) >^^^^^^^^^ > This person is telling the listserver to add him to your mailing list. From owner-glass Tue Jan 2 20:49:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXL7t-0000nia; Tue, 2 Jan 96 20:48 PST X-Path: BETA.DELPHI.COM!mygon227 From: Michael White To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: FW: none Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:35:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601030435.XAA19979@camus-s1.delphi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 01:09 PM 1/2/96 PST, you wrote: > >Does anyone out there no what this is? I've been getting a number of >subscribe and unsubscribe messages? Thanks! > ---------- >From: at994 >To: glass >Subject: none >Date: Tuesday, January 02, 1996 12:03PM > > > >Unsubscribe > This is a list server command. Listservers are kind of automated mailmen. You can subscribe to a mailing list through a listserver and you will automatically get mail from that mailing list until you unsubscribe from it. From owner-glass Wed Jan 3 05:14:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXStz-000013a; Wed, 3 Jan 96 05:06 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: lcbell@memach.com (Linda J. Campbell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kalidoscopes Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199601031304.IAA29844@raft.memach.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael, I haven't made any kaleidoscopes yet but I am really interested in trying. I just found the group. DH gave me two scopes for Christmas, one is a small solid brass one about 3 inches long on a stand, with a wheel filled with glass beads. The other is larger, a teleidoscope, about 8 inches long and covered with marbled paper. Both are three mirrored. The smaller one has a magnifier lense at the eyepiece and cost him about $80. The larger one has a large thick glass at the end opposite the eyepiece and cost about $50 and was made by Van Cort. He got them at A Touch of Glass at Waterside. I just went to my mother's house and begged her for a box of church window stained glass scraps that she has been saving for about 30 years. I was successful, the scraps are now mine. Some are large, about 10" x 5" but most is small scraps. I am eager to try my first scope - I have never even cut glass yet so I'm going to practice on clear glass and my soldering skills first. How hard can this be? My question to any one who knows is: Can you make any money selling to the cragt show/flea market crowd or do you really have to get good enough to make a name for yourself at the better shops for this to be profitable? Rule of thumb, Michael for most crafts is the final cost is 2 to 3 times the cost of the materials in the item. Of course this varies with the amout of work in a project and the demand for the product. Good luck. Tell my what kinds of kaleidoscopes you make. >Is anyone out there making kalidoscopes? >And what kind of price you asking? > !!!! > !!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!! O_O Michael A. White >!!! !!!!!!! /@ @\ mygon227@beta.delphi.com > !!!!!! \ x / > !!!!!!/ m !m > !!!!/ __ | Sometimes..... > !!!!|/ \__ I feel like a nut! > !!!\______\ > > From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 07:58:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXrww-0000hma; Thu, 4 Jan 96 07:51 PST X-Path: stf1.css.edu!RKOLBAK From: RICK KOLBAK To: Stained Glass Listserve Subject: Subscription Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 09:44:00 PST Message-ID: <30EC13C1@mailgate.css.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering if I was still subscribed to the glass list, since I have been receiving some odd subscribe and unsubscribe messages. Please respond for verification. Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rick Kolbak RKolbak@stf1.css.edu 1119 East 10th Street Duluth, MN 55805 Tel.: (218) 728-5695 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 09:00:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXsxO-0000mGa; Thu, 4 Jan 96 08:56 PST X-Path: mail.utexas.edu!kgbryant From: kgbryant@mail.utexas.edu (Kelly Bryant) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass Contests Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:47:41 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering if anyone knew of any stained glass contests. I have a friend who quilts and she is always entering her work in contest and seems to get some good feed back on improving her work. Does anyone know of any stained glass organizations that might be holding contests? Thanks, Kelly From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 11:59:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXvhX-0000wna; Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:51 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199601041949.OAA22415@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I was wondering if anyone knew of any stained glass contests. I have a >friend who quilts and she is always entering her work in contest and seems >to get some good feed back on improving her work. Does anyone know of any >stained glass organizations that might be holding contests? Delphi Stained Glass is having 2 upcoming contests. 1. Project contest during our store's annual Art Glass Festival which starts March 23, 1996. Enter any project that you are proud of and personally drop it off in our store in Lansing, Michigan. I don't have firm details on this contest, but will post them as soon as they are finalized. 2. Delphi's 4th Annual Photo Contest WE'RE LOOKING FOR A FEW GOOD PROJECTS!! We would like to feature photos of outstanding work created by individuals like yourself. Do you have a piece of glass work you're particularly proud of? Send us a clean snapshot of the project - preferably with you in the picture (we like to see the smiling faces of creative people!). If we publish the photo, you'll receive a $50.00 Delphi Gift Certificate. Even if you're not published, you will receive a nice gift just for entering. Please write your name, address, and phone number (and your customer number if you know it) on the back side of the photo(s) with a felt-tip pen (please - no paperclips). NOTE: We will not be able to return your photo. Entries must be received no later than April 30, 1996. Send your entries to: Delphi Stained Glass, Attn: Photo Contest, 2116 E. Michigan Ave., Lansing MI 48912. Photo Tips: 1. For a panel with cathedral glass; try to avoid shooting against a "busy" background because what shows through the glass will detract from your art work. 2. If you have an installed window, make sure there is plenty of light shining from behind it to illuminate all the colors. 3. Unless you're outside on a bright day, it helps to use a flash in almost any setting. 4. We would love to see you in the photo with your work. But if that's not possible, take a separate photo of yourself - we'll take care of the rest! Thanks for your inquiry. If I can be of further assistance, please let me know. Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 13:54:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tXxXz-0000ZDa; Thu, 4 Jan 96 13:50 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 16:44:09 EST Message-ID: <091.07925695.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I was wondering if anyone knew of any stained glass contests. ... Kelly, the only such things I've ever heard of are a little different than quilting competitions or challenges. Delphi Stained Glass Supply has people mail in photos of their projects. The winners are featured in the catalog. If Stephanie is still on this list, she can probably supply details. I think Stained Glass News does something similar with a page featuring reader projects, but I don't think either one is intended to give the kind of feedback you're talking about. Might be something fun to start though! Delphi is on the web now. Maybe they would be interested in organizing something. Another thought: Bulletin board groups on some servers arrange a "round robin" for their members occasionally. It involves having the participants send photos of their work, along with comments, explanations, etc. to a single individual. That person makes them all into 1 package, adds a list of the participants arranged in some logical geographical order, and sends it to the 1st person on the list, who sends it to the next, and so on, until it returns to the organizer. He or she returns the photos to their owners. People email the list when they receive or send the package to help keep track of it. I suppose you could ask for comments and suggestions if your photos were clear enough to show specific details in this kind of system. Comments on specific items could be made by email directly to those who ask for feedback. Anyone interested? Peggy An aside to Rick: You're coming through loud and clear here. :) From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 17:57:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tY1Mk-00014Ua; Thu, 4 Jan 96 17:54 PST X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:54:25 -0500 Message-ID: <199601050154.UAA03554@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> I was wondering if anyone knew of any stained glass contests. ... > >Kelly, the only such things I've ever heard of are a little different >than quilting competitions or challenges. Delphi Stained Glass Supply >has people mail in photos of their projects. The winners are featured >in the catalog. If Stephanie is still on this list, she can probably >supply details. I think Stained Glass News does something similar with >a page featuring reader projects, but I don't think either one is >intended to give the kind of feedback you're talking about. Might be >something fun to start though! Delphi is on the web now. Maybe they >would be interested in organizing something. > >Another thought: Bulletin board groups on some servers arrange a >"round robin" for their members occasionally. It involves having the >participants send photos of their work, along with comments, >explanations, etc. to a single individual. That person makes them all >into 1 package, adds a list of the participants arranged in some >logical geographical order, and sends it to the 1st person on the list, >who sends it to the next, and so on, until it returns to the organizer. >He or she returns the photos to their owners. People email the list >when they receive or send the package to help keep track of it. I >suppose you could ask for comments and suggestions if your photos were >clear enough to show specific details in this kind of system. >Comments on specific items could be made by email directly to those who >ask for feedback. > >Anyone interested? Peggy > >An aside to Rick: You're coming through loud and clear here. :) > Hi Peggy, this is Carol in Mississauga, ON Canada I'm interested!! We don't have a scanner though, could snail-mail the photo . . . It's difficult to get good pictures of glass though. I've had the flash either blow out color or change it all together. New glass web site to check out!! http://web.idirect.com/~studio t t y l Carol From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 20:45:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tY41Z-0000VIa; Thu, 4 Jan 96 20:45 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Subscribe Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:33:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199601050444.AA01477@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk subscribe andreaking@swin.edu.au From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 20:48:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tY443-0000kCa; Thu, 4 Jan 96 20:47 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: Subscribe Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:46:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199601050446.AA02217@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Please subscribe me to the list andreaking@swin.edu.au From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 05:27:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYC06-0000ffa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 05:16 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:14:03 -0500 Message-ID: <199601051314.IAA28437@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, >Another thought: Bulletin board groups on some servers arrange a >"round robin" for their members occasionally. It involves having the >participants send photos of their work, along with comments, >explanations, etc. to a single individual. That person makes them all >into 1 package, adds a list of the participants arranged in some >logical geographical order, and sends it to the 1st person on the list, >who sends it to the next, and so on, until it returns to the organizer. >He or she returns the photos to their owners. People email the list >when they receive or send the package to help keep track of it. I >suppose you could ask for comments and suggestions if your photos were >clear enough to show specific details in this kind of system. >Comments on specific items could be made by email directly to those who >ask for feedback. Sounds like great fun! I would be very interested in organizing this "round robin". If you are interested, please email me at SKBraman@aol.com and we can work out when photos should be snail mailed and they can be mailed to my personal address (so the pics are not mixed up with the pics for Delphi's photo contest). Also another idea....I'm not sure where all of the subscribers are from, but it might be worth considering having a "glass reunion" where we can meet for a day or two, share stained glass ideas and questions, critique finished projects, etc. What do you think? Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 05:57:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYCUj-0000Pua; Fri, 5 Jan 96 05:47 PST X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Too quiet Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 08:40:13 EST Message-ID: <960105.084554.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Those subscribe and unsubscribe messages are just people who aren't sure how to do it, so they send messages to the list instead of the listserv. We were all confused once. (When I first started, I could NOT figure out what all those instructions meant, but that's a long story...) Anyway, we seem to all hunkered down against the cold, recovering from the holidays, recovering from craft fair season, whatever. There's talk over on the news group, but we've gotten quiet. So, this is a new year. Is there something you'd really like to make this year? I'd like to mess with mosaic and experiment with etching/engraving and glass paints -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 06:22:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYCwc-0000jua; Fri, 5 Jan 96 06:16 PST X-Path: mail.utexas.edu!kgbryant From: kgbryant@mail.utexas.edu (Kelly Bryant) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:00:52 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy and everyone else! I think it would be fun to have some kind of contest or "round robin" it can never hurt to have another peers opinions. Someone mentioned that taking pictures of stained glass did not come out very well. I just took a roll in with pictures of all of the projects that I have done. I hope they look OK. I'll let you know. Anyway, if anyone has tips on how we can get things started, please send in your ideas. Also, has anyone had any success with find any stained glass software to assist in making patterns? I have been looking through catologs, but so far have only seen on package and it seemed to be more for making lamp pattern. Hope everyone has a good weekend. Kelly From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 07:25:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYDrK-0000zoa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 07:15 PST X-Path: mail.utexas.edu!kgbryant From: kgbryant@mail.utexas.edu (Kelly Bryant) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Too quiet Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:08:49 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dorothy: I too have been thinking about doing some mosaics, but havn't tried it yet. Does it require any other tools that are not used in stained glass. Mosaic seems like a great way to get rid of those glass scraps that are too small for most stained glass projects. I'd love to hear any tips from those of you who have already attempted it. Now that I am done with X-Mas gifts. I am really looking forward to starting on a new window for me. It is a peacock (excuse my spelling). I have found the most brillant blue. It is going to look great. So anyway, that is what I will be working on for awhile. K From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 08:40:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYEur-0000rQa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 08:22 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Too quiet Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:21:11 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Too quiet" on Jan 5, 9:08, Kelly Bryant writes:] > > I too have been thinking about doing some mosaics, but havn't tried it yet. > Does it require any other tools that are not used in stained glass. > Mosaic seems like a great way to get rid of those glass scraps that are too > small for most stained glass projects. I'd love to hear any tips from > those of you who have already attempted it. > I have also been interested in doing some mosaic pieces. I was wondering what type of grout to use though (without buying a kit). Any suggestions would be much appreciated. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 11:11:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYF95-0000FTa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 08:37 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:35:23 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Stained Glass Contests" on Jan 5, 8:14, Delphi Stained Glass writes:] > it might be worth considering having a "glass reunion" where we can meet for > a day or two, share stained glass ideas and questions, critique finished > projects, etc. What do you think? > Nice idea, but we have subscribers from all over the world. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 11:18:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYHcE-0000lwa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 11:15 PST X-Path: HUBNOV3.unb.ca!CRAFT From: "Reg Craft" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: custom bevels Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:14:51 GMT-400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: University of New Brunswick Precedence: bulk I have a leaded glass window that has been broken. Six bevels need to be replaced. Three are rectangular (one has an angled corner) and the other three are curved. The glass is quite thick, approximately 5/16 inches and the came is copper. I need a source for custom bevels. This window is about 60 - 70 years old and I would like to be able to repair it. I have some old glass from which the bevels could be made; I now need someone who can make them. You can reply to me directly or on this list. This is my first posting to this list but I have been listening in for about two months. I really enjoy this list and always look forward to what will be on it. R. D. Craft craft@unb.ca From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 12:10:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYISZ-0000lKa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:09 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: custom bevels Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199601052009.PAA20691@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a leaded glass window that has been broken. Six bevels need to >be replaced. Three are rectangular (one has an angled corner) and >the other three are curved. The glass is quite thick, approximately >5/16 inches and the came is copper. I need a source for custom >bevels. This window is about 60 - 70 years old and I would like to >be able to repair it. I have some old glass from which the bevels >could be made; I now need someone who can make them. You can reply >to me directly or on this list. > >This is my first posting to this list but I have been listening in >for about two months. I really enjoy this list and always look >forward to what will be on it. >R. D. Craft >craft@unb.ca We have a customer beveler that we refer our customers to. Burton Studios Port Huron, MI 1-810-985-7575 Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 12:15:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYIX3-0000Pda; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:14 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Too quiet Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199601052014.PAA20984@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have also been interested in doing some mosaic pieces. I was wondering >what type of grout to use though (without buying a kit). Any >suggestions would be much appreciated. You can use any type of tile grout. The key is latex so that the grout is not water-soluble. Look either for grouts that already contain it and just need to have water added (which are the ones that are currently on the stained glass market), or you can purchase regular grout and use a liquid latex additive. Working with any type of grout is kind of hazardous, so be sure to use adequate protection (latex gloves, respirator) and read all the directions! Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 12:19:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYIaO-0000x0a; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:18 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: Mosaics Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 12:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <199601052017.MAA19544@desiree.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I, too have been thinking of a way to use some of the 100's of pounds of ends, for me real small (ends) as I primarily do only small pieced shades. A few things come to mind...free form pieces or square cut mosaics? I have run my pieces through a screen 1/4 mesh to help in segregating the sizes of glass to be cut into mosaic pieces. With unusual foresight, I for the past 15+ years have been segregating the glass while cutting by both manufr, and color (s). AS for the grout, any tile store can supply you with it, and in any color you desire. Specify what you intend to use it for and what size spacers you are going to use. A hint, very rough surface glass will tend to get grout in the creases (drapery) and are hard to clean if you wait to long. A question for you ALL, how and what are you going to put the mosaic glass pieces on? Then what are you going to do with it. I amin the on-going process of designing a full room 1/2 height mural of mosaics, and will install them in interlocking panels. They need to around stairs and other obstacles, and have a moulding to finish the installation, and I may even do it during this "life-time". Just a bit of thoughts for you all to masticate on. Enjoy...it is only glass Howard -- Elaine and Howard, mastering technology one byte at a time! E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 13:08:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYJLW-0000QTa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 13:06 PST X-Path: ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu!elgarber From: elgarber@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: custom bevels Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:08:03 Message-ID: <9601052106.AA30869@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a leaded glass window that has been broken. Six bevels need to >be replaced. Three are rectangular (one has an angled corner) and >the other three are curved. The glass is quite thick, approximately >5/16 inches and the came is copper. I need a source for custom >bevels. This window is about 60 - 70 years old and I would like to >be able to repair it. I have some old glass from which the bevels >could be made; I now need someone who can make them. You can reply >to me directly or on this list. > >This is my first posting to this list but I have been listening in >for about two months. I really enjoy this list and always look >forward to what will be on it. >R. D. Craft >craft@unb.ca I don't know where you live, but Redfield's in Lawrence, KS is good. He is located at 13 E. 7th, Lawrence, KS 66044 and his phone is 913/843-4039. He does restoration also. From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 17:37:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYNYe-0000UNa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 17:36 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mosaics Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:32:45 EST Message-ID: <091.08018374.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, > I amin the on-going process of designing a full room 1/2 height mural of > mosaics, and will install them in interlocking panels. They need to around > stairs and other obstacles, and have a moulding to finish the > installation, > and I may even do it during this "life-time". YIPES!!! What's the design like? > Just a bit of thoughts for you all to masticate on. This one is more like "choke" than "masticate"! :-) How far have you gotten with it? Peggy From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 17:37:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYNYx-0000jja; Fri, 5 Jan 96 17:36 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:32:57 EST Message-ID: <091.08018386.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Sounds like great fun! I would be very interested in organizing this > "round robin". If you are interested, please email me at SKBraman@aol.com Emailed you details today Stephanie. > Also another idea....I'm not sure where all of the subscribers are from, > but it might be worth considering having a "glass reunion" where we can > meet for a day or two, share stained glass ideas and questions, critique > finished projects, etc. What do you think? I'm in Vermont, which is not exactly a hotbed of SG activity (or of anything else at the moment: it's -15 degrees today. No doubt you're enjoying similar brisk breezes in Michigan?) If there is ever a glass expo in New England (in my dreams!), it would be a great place to have a reunion, although I doubt if our members from Finalnd, etc. would find it equally convenient! Maybe the one in Tennessee? I'm not able to wander too far from home at the moment, although that may change in the future. Anyone else have an idea? Peggy From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 17:39:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYNbP-0000qBa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 17:39 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Too quiet Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:32:41 EST Message-ID: <091.08018370.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dorothy asks: > So, this is a new year. Is there > something you'd really like to make this year? I'd like to mess with > mosaic and experiment with etching/engraving and glass paints Thanks to some help from a friend, I've got a banker's lamp base that I thought could no longer be found and will be working on designing a shade for it (just as soon as my day job lets me get there... Sheesh, the things we do for money to buy glass supplies!) Hope to get the glass soon for the dogwood lamp I've been wanting to make. Thought I had a lot of glass stuff lined up to keep me going for a while - until I read about Howard's glass mosaic house! :-) Peggy From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 17:55:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYNqk-0000Q0a; Fri, 5 Jan 96 17:55 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Photographing glass - tips (long) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:32:48 EST Message-ID: <091.08018377.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Several people have mentioned that they want to know more about photgraphing glass. I'm not an expert, although I think we have one on the list. Wayne, are you still there? Anyone else? I'm a collector of information, so I'll pass on what I have about photgraphing glass, in the hope that it might help someone. Here is the short version of what the ASGLA recommends for lamp photgraphs: 1. a 35 mm camera you can change the shutter speeds on 2. a tripod 3. a cable release 4. an "80A" blue filter (to correct the yellow color from lightbulbs) 5. Ecktachrome 100 daylight slide film (Fuji film captures colors well also) 6. 3 hooded light fixtures with clamps from local hardware store 7. a rheostat or dimmer switch 8. backdrop of black velour 6'x6' approximate size Pin the backdrop to the wall, and drape it onto a small table. NO FOLDS, NO WRINKLES, NO CREASES! Center the lamp on the draped table, and make a small hole in the backdrop to run the cord thru. Be sure you put the hole in a place where it can't be seen thru the view finder. Use one or more 100 watt bulbs in the lamp, and plug it into the rheo or dimmer switch so you can adjust the level of light coming thru the shade. (Be sure you don't overload the wattage rating on your lamp base. If it says maximum 60 watt bulb recommended, use 60 watts. Check your fixture rating. If it is rated for a 3 way bulb, you might want to try that instead of a rheo.) Place 3 hardware store fixtures: one above and slightly behind the lamp, and one on either side. Check your camera position, to see if you are getting a lot of reflection from them. Change setup to make the vase cap show up. The base is highlighted by the side lamps. Turn on the lamp light, and check for hot spots. You can mask any offending areas with a piece of paper placed on the inside of the lamp. You can stick it in place with a small piece of tacky wax or scotch tape. If you can adjust the setting on the camera, try setting the exposure for 1 - 2 seconds, and the fstop no less than f8- f16. You might try bracketing your exposures, by taking one or two at the next higher setting, one you think is right, and one or two at the next lower setting. A cable release and tripod will give a steadier photo. Be sure the lamp is the center of attention, not too much backdrop showing. Move closer if you need to. If the finished pictures look drab or yellowish, try changing lamp bulb to a blue one. Or take an extreme closeup of the shade lit with more light than looks right to the naked eye. Suzanne Cooper, who photographs her work for her design books, claims that Fuji film is the only type that has given her true color reproduction of purple glass. She also recommends photgraphing outdoors in daylight for panel-type porjects. Remember to keep the background simple. Having your flower garden as a backdrop to your flower panel is likely to overwhelm the viewer unless you're an experienced photographer. In that case, you don't need these directions anyway! :-) Good luck! Peggy From owner-glass Fri Jan 5 20:12:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYPxd-0000rCa; Fri, 5 Jan 96 20:10 PST X-Path: aol.com!GinaJoe From: GinaJoe@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mosaics Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:09:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jan5.18917.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. As a frequent eavesdropper to this group, I finally have something to contribute! I'm planning on doing a glass mosaic table top, which will be fitted into the top of a wood coffee table. I've seen some done by a local artist and really like the technique. I'll probably glue the mosaic pieces to another piece of glass and then place both layers into a "hole" in the table top. That way I won't damage the wood table during the abrasive grouting process. I'm still in the thinking stage on this, so any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! From owner-glass Sat Jan 6 12:23:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYf86-0000r2a; Sat, 6 Jan 96 12:22 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Contests Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <199601062022.PAA20698@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> Sounds like great fun! I would be very interested in organizing this >> "round robin". If you are interested, please email me at >SKBraman@aol.com > >Emailed you details today Stephanie. Thanks for the details Peggy. Over the weekend I will be putting together the details for this "round robin" and will post them in a few days. Put the finishing touches on your new projects or polish up your already existing pieces and warm up your cameras! I am already looking forward to seeing everyone's pictures! Stephanie From owner-glass Sat Jan 6 19:49:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYm5H-0000joa; Sat, 6 Jan 96 19:47 PST X-Path: pc.jaring.my!cgraham From: CHRIS GRAHAM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass In New Zealand Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 11:47:36 +0800 (MYT) Message-ID: <199601070347.LAA20093@relay3.jaring.my> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone out there know of any good places in New Zealand selling stained glass and accessories? I'm presently living in East Malaysia on the island of Borneo, so am a bit cut off from supplies and ideas. I'm going to New Zealand in a weeks time on holiday and will be touring around, so hope to pick up something different and some new ideas on the way. Penny Graham cgraham@pc.jaring.my From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 09:59:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tYzKa-0000l0a; Sun, 7 Jan 96 09:56 PST X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Photographing glass - tips (long) Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 13:54:22 AST Message-ID: <9607135422.09AB> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 05 Jan 1996 20:32:48 EST, MPGP79B@prodigy.com writes: > >Several people have mentioned that they want to know more about >photgraphing glass. I'm not an expert, although I think we have one on >the list. Wayne, are you still there? Anyone else? > >I'm a collector of information, so I'll pass on what I have about >photgraphing glass, in the hope that it might help someone. > >Here is the short version of what the ASGLA recommends for lamp >photgraphs: > >1. a 35 mm camera you can change the shutter speeds on >2. a tripod >3. a cable release >4. an "80A" blue filter (to correct the yellow color from lightbulbs) > >5. Ecktachrome 100 daylight slide film (Fuji film captures > colors well also) >6. 3 hooded light fixtures with clamps from local hardware >store >7. a rheostat or dimmer switch >8. backdrop of black velour 6'x6' approximate size > > Pin the backdrop to the wall, and drape it onto a small >table. NO FOLDS, NO WRINKLES, NO CREASES! > >Center the lamp on the draped table, and make a small >hole in the backdrop to run the cord thru. Be sure you put >the hole in a place where it can't be seen thru the >view finder. Use one or more 100 watt bulbs in the lamp, >and plug it into the rheo or dimmer switch so you can >adjust the level of light coming thru the shade. (Be sure >you don't overload the wattage rating on your lamp base. >If it says maximum 60 watt bulb recommended, use 60 watts. >Check your fixture rating. If it is rated for a 3 way bulb, you > might want to try that instead of a rheo.) > >Place 3 hardware store fixtures: one above and >slightly behind the lamp, and one on either side. >Check your camera position, to see if you are getting a lot >of reflection from them. Change setup to make the vase >cap show up. The base is highlighted by the side lamps. >Turn on the lamp light, and check for hot spots. You can >mask any offending areas with a piece of paper placed >on the inside of the lamp. You can stick it in place with a >small piece of tacky wax or scotch tape. > >If you can adjust the setting on the camera, try setting >the exposure for 1 - 2 seconds, and the fstop no less >than f8- f16. You might try bracketing your exposures, by >taking one or two at the next higher setting, one you think >is right, and one or two at the next lower setting. A >cable release and tripod will give a steadier photo. > >Be sure the lamp is the center of attention, not too much >backdrop showing. Move closer if you need to. If the >finished pictures look drab or yellowish, try changing lamp >bulb to a blue one. Or take an extreme closeup of the >shade lit with more light than looks right to the naked eye. > > >Suzanne Cooper, who photographs her work for her design books, claims >that Fuji film is the only type that has given her true color >reproduction of purple glass. She also recommends photgraphing >outdoors in daylight for panel-type porjects. Remember to keep the >background simple. Having your flower garden as a backdrop to your >flower panel is likely to overwhelm the viewer unless you're an >experienced photographer. In that case, you don't need these >directions anyway! :-) > >Good luck! Peggy > > Hi Everyone, Thought I would add my 2 cents to the photography of stained glass. From the coments I have read lately, I can see that many have figured out something to work for them, and have also found out to things not to do. I thought I would ad my comments to the bottom of Peggy's information as to give a complete list of ways of doing this. The information that Peggy has stated is correct but from my years of experience, I tend to look for a more simplistic way of doing this. If I were shooting for a catalogue I would do a version similiar to the above only with large format camera and I would also be using Ektachrome Professional film. The easiest way to photograph stained glass lamps is the same way you would photograph your Christmas tree, where you are dealing with two elements. The lights to show the color, and definition in the ornaments, as they do not light up like the lights. In stained glass, you want the illumination and color of the glass to show, and you want some detail in the base and solder, (except in my case, when I choose to hide the sloppy solder.) ;-). Using a blue filter to correct the color of the light bulb you place your camera on a tripod and turn on the lamp. Take a reading through your lense of the illuminated lamp. It will probably be a low aperature and a slow shutter speed. Set your flash (providing it has some controls) to a power that matches the aperature. Such as 5.6 or 8 etc. This is totally relevant to the power of the lamp light. Take a fer shots bracketing your exposure up and down. Should give good results for most cases. The background can be of your choise as long as it does not distract from the glass and tones. Black velvet is fine but I would use and old masters canvas, (I paint them myself) draped with soft folds for a neutral background, or I would set the lamp up on a mahogany table in a library setting for a richer classier look. Windows I would definatly do outside, unless they were already installed, and I would catch the sun in a large reflector, (Bed Sheet etc.) a few feet or meters back from the window, behind the window, and let it reflect through the window. Take a reading and shoot (Bracketing both sides of the scale) Remember, the sheet/reflector is behind the window, and you and camera are in front of window. There are other more complicated ways to go, but for good recording purposes this will work. Hope this add on helps, and please pardon the spelling as I am banging this out as fast as I can. HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!! Wayne Chase Wayne Chase Photography Moncton, New Brunswick Canada. From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 05:25:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZHPa-0000lea; Mon, 8 Jan 96 05:14 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: <199601081313.IAA29517@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Everyone is invited to participate in our First Glass Round Robin. Here is your opportunity to share your favorite projects with others who also enjoy glass? Here is how it works 1. Assemble your Round Robin Packet. It should contain the following. A. A note with your name, full snail mail address, and email address. B. Photos of your projects with your full name clearly labeled on the back. C. A note about your photos detailing information about your projects like whatpattern you used or if it is an original design, glass used, special notes of interest, and/or tips for anyone who would be interested in making one too. D. Optional - Any other tidbits you would like to share with our group like photos of yourself, your family and pets, favorite recipes, a copy of a favorite original design that someone would like to try, a special poem, a letter about yourself, etc. E. Optional - A SASE large enough to return your packet in after the Round Robin has come back home to roost if you would like this information to be returned to you. Place all of your goodies into a sturdy envelope and mark the outside 'Photos - Do Not Bend.' For extra protection you can also insert a piece of cardboard inside the envelope to make it sturdier. 2. Mailing Deadline - All packets must be received no later than March 15, 1996 to be included in our First Round Robin. I will post a note around March 1 to remind everyone that the deadline is fast approaching. 3. Mail your packet to - Stephanie Braman, Attn: Glass Round Robin, 310 W. Cherry St., Mason MI 48854, USA. Please email me after you have mailed this information so that I know when to expect it. I will confirm its arrival by private email. 4. When I have received all of the packets, I will organize the list of participants by location and build a mailing list which will make a circle (example: MI to NY to PA to FL to TX to CA to WA to CO to MI) and will post this list of names only in order of mailing to this group. If you are going to be away for any length of time, please notify me immediately so this packet does not sit in your mailbox for weeks. 5. After all the mailing plans have been firmed up, I will assemble the entire Round Robin including a copy of the mailing list with snail mail addresses and mail it in a Priority Mail envelope (2 pounds for $3 with approx delivery of 2 days) to the first name on the list. I will also post a note to this group to let everyone know when the Round Robin has flown the coop. 6. When the first name on the list receives the envelope, he/she will post a note to let everyone know when the packet arrives. After you have examined the contents, please put it in a new Priority Mail envelope and mail it to the next person on the list. Please be considerate and limit the package's visit to 3-5 days. 7. After the Round Robin has come back home to roost, I will notify everyone of its arrival and return your information in the SASEs provided. Sound Fun?!!!!! If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please feel free to let me know. I look forward to seeing everyone's work! Remember to mail your packet soon! Stephanie SKBraman@aol.com ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 08:07:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZJvx-0000PRa; Mon, 8 Jan 96 07:56 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 07:55:10 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Sound Fun?!!!!! If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please > feel free to let me know. Why not just have somone scan the images with the info. and put them up on a web site?...less time consuming and alot cheaper than mailing all those packages. Just my 2 cents worth. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 11:47:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZNW9-0000tTa; Mon, 8 Jan 96 11:46 PST X-Path: ixcim.att.com!tynan From: nq9230200-Tynan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 10:50:39 CST Message-ID: <9601081650.AA25759@ixcim.att.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It would be nice to have a web site with scanned images. I have just started in the craft and to-date have completed one leaded panel, have another started, and just began a class on the foil method. So I wouldn't have anything to contribute, but would really like to see other's work! My 2 cents, Tara Tynan tynan@ixcim.att.com Glenna wrote: >Why not just have somone scan the images with the info. and put them up >on a web site?...less time consuming and alot cheaper than mailing all those >packages. > >Just my 2 cents worth. > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com > From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 12:42:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZONb-0000hxa; Mon, 8 Jan 96 12:41 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:41:07 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Round Robin Details" on Jan 8, 10:50, nq9230200-Tynan writes:] > It would be nice to have a web site with scanned images. I have just > started in the craft and to-date have completed one leaded panel, have > another started, and just began a class on the foil method. So I > wouldn't have anything to contribute, but would really like to see other's > work! Hi Tara, Just incase you don't know, I have set up a web site with some of my work as well of lots of other sites to visit. You can find it at http://www.bungi.com/glass Enjoy! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 13:19:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZOxZ-0000p3a; Mon, 8 Jan 96 13:18 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:18:13 -0500 Message-ID: <199601082118.QAA24082@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Why not just have somone scan the images with the info. and put them up >on a web site?...less time consuming and alot cheaper than mailing all those >packages. I agree that this is a good idea, but I don't have a personal site or scanning equipment to make this possible. Anyone volunteering their sites? For what it's worth, I view a lot of sites in text only because if they are really graphic, it takes a long time for the page to load. Also the monitor on my home computer doesn't have 256 color capabilities, so viewing everyone's beautiful creations would be lost on me. I organized this Round Robin because I have received several dozen responses from individuals who are interested in this proposition. I have heard that Round Robins are very successful for Prodigy. I apologize if I have offended anyone or stepped on anyone's toes. My only intent is to share with all of you the one thing we all enjoy. Regards, Stephanie >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com > > From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 14:13:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZPo7-0000uca; Mon, 8 Jan 96 14:12 PST X-Path: ixcim.att.com!tynan From: nq9230200-Tynan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 16:12:22 CST Message-ID: <9601082212.AA10851@ixcim.att.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, I just wanted to let you know that I was not offended in the least and I hope that no-one else feels that way...I think it's really nice that you have offered to tackle a round-robin. It's alot of work and responsibility! Since I am able to use my work computing resources, I don't always remember that not everyone has the same net resources available to them. Thanks for pointing that out. Tara tynan@ixcim.att.com From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 16:27:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZRte-0000aOa; Mon, 8 Jan 96 16:26 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:26:24 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I agree that this is a good idea, but I don't have a personal site or > scanning equipment to make this possible. Anyone volunteering their sites? > Stephanie We have put our pictures on photo cd and then the web site, which has really worked very well. But not everyone needs to get a photo cd to do this. We have ample space on our website for the pictures and can scan them but we far prefer getting the images electronically. If you do want to send pictures please send 35ml negatives and we'll put them on photo cd. It would be great if you could include about $1.50 per image. Printed photos are ok as well but don't scan as nice. If you interested mail me directly and I'll give you shipping instructions. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 19:40:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZUtV-0000Qva; Mon, 8 Jan 96 19:38 PST X-Path: postoffice.ptd.net!rhawk From: rhawk@postoffice.ptd.net (Rodney Hawk) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kalidoscopes Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:37:56 -0500 Message-ID: <199601090337.WAA02776@ns1.ptd.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Is anyone out there making kalidoscopes? >And what kind of price you asking? > !!!! > !!!!!!!! >!!!!!!!!!!! O_O Michael A. White >!!! !!!!!!! /@ @\ mygon227@beta.delphi.com > !!!!!! \ x / > !!!!!!/ m !m > !!!!/ __ | Sometimes..... > !!!!|/ \__ I feel like a nut! > !!!\______\ > > Hi, I sell them, not many and not very often. However most people love to look through them and they are great to attract customers. they sell for $55-75.00 see ya! Rodney Hawk/ Hawk's Stained Glass Designs. From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 21:12:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZWKV-0000b6a; Mon, 8 Jan 96 21:10 PST X-Path: BETA.DELPHI.COM!mygon227 From: Michael White To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kalidoscopes Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 00:05:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601090505.AAA22749@kafka-s2.delphi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 10:37 PM 1/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Is anyone out there making kalidoscopes? >>And what kind of price you asking? >> !!!! >> !!!!!!!! >>!!!!!!!!!!! O_O Michael A. White >>!!! !!!!!!! /@ @\ mygon227@beta.delphi.com >> !!!!!! \ x / >> !!!!!!/ m !m >> !!!!/ __ | Sometimes..... >> !!!!|/ \__ I feel like a nut! >> !!!\______\ >> >> >Hi, > >I sell them, not many and not very often. However most people love to look >through them and they are great to attract customers. they sell for $55-75.00 > > >see ya! Rodney Hawk/ Hawk's Stained Glass Designs. > Thanks for the reply. How big do they range? From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 08:00:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZgSY-0000lLa; Tue, 9 Jan 96 07:59 PST X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mosaics Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 10:49:59 EST Message-ID: <960109.105912.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199601052017.MAA19544@desiree.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wow, BIG mosaic, Elaine and Howard. That's a lot of weight (I'm sure you've thought of that), but do your walls shift when trucks come by? I recently moved from a house where I could not put in any stained glass windows because it was a main road and the house moved so much at times that the regular glass windows and storm windows broke all the time. (Lots of stuff hanging in the windows, though). A relative in another town where a mall was built nearby and suddenly got truck traffic had moldings pop off her walls! As well as normal expansion and contraction with temperature and humidity changes. How you going to attach it to the wall? I want to try some smaller things that I can put it regular picture frames. #$!& Just dug out from the blizzard of '96 and actually have snow over the bottom of one of my windows...************ -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 13:42:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZlji-0000qNa; Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:37 PST X-Path: avery.med.virginia.edu!lbl From: "Laurel B. Hall" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:37:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601092137.QAA59551@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> References: <<199601082118.QAA24082@vixa.voyager.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Stephanie, I have been following the thread on the round robin and want to thank you for volunteering to organize this project. I don't hav eaccess to a web browser and wouldn't be abel to see this work unless we followed your idea. Please don't givve up! Laurie in Virginia From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 14:47:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZmlD-0000ODa; Tue, 9 Jan 96 14:43 PST X-Path: alpha.netaccess.on.ca!tchivers From: "Tom Chivers" To: glass Subject: subscription Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199601092249.RAA16425@alpha.netaccess.on.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please add me to the list. Kathy Chivers From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 15:58:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZnuW-0000YNa; Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:57 PST X-Path: avery.med.virginia.edu!lbl From: "Laurel B. Hall" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:30:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601092130.QAA100987@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Not all of us have access to a web browser. Hard copy is the only way I would be abel to see this work. Laurie in Virginia From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 18:24:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZqD1-0000c7a; Tue, 9 Jan 96 18:24 PST X-Path: mail.badgerdial.net!jairoldi From: jairoldi@mail.badgerdial.net (Northern Waters Library Service) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reunion Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:24:04 -0600 Message-ID: <199601100224.UAA13729@gomer.wiscnet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Have any of you heard of the Letterheads? They have regional gatherings within every state, and national, for sign painters. My husband and I belong to it and it is fantastic. No dues, no board of directors, and no fuss. Someone decides to have one by posting the dates and times in trade magazines and on the internet. Others donate their time by giving short workshops in areas of special interest, and as often happens imprompto workshops usually sprout. The only rules are, you check your ego at the door, and all tips and tricks must be shared. Fees have ranged from $10 to $75 depending on the food, drinks, and entertainment provided. If you want to get some idea of how this group runs itself look up SignWeb on the internet. SignPainters call themselves Letterheads, PinStripers are Pinheads, NeonGlassBlowers are Archeads, ThermalPrinters are Thermalheads, what could StainedGlassers be? Leadheads??? Stainheads??? Glassheads??? I am a StainedGlasser and have enjoyed my first 3 days reading all this mail, I would love to meet you all at a gathering! Sharon Douglas at jairoldi@mail.badgerdial.net From owner-glass Wed Jan 10 04:41:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tZzok-0000jpa; Wed, 10 Jan 96 04:39 PST X-Path: vixa.voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Round Robin Details Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199601101239.HAA09357@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Everyone: >Not all of us have access to a web browser. Hard copy is the >only way I would be abel to see this work. Laurie in Virginia I haven't given up on this project. Deadline for picture packets is still March 15. If you missed the details, please let me know. Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ Stephanie Braman ** E-mail: delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 18:14:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0taYxy-0000cQa; Thu, 11 Jan 96 18:11 PST X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Happy New Year Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:11:27 -0500 Message-ID: <199601120211.VAA19776@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Happy New Year everyone! This is Carol. Glad to see that you have all finally dug out from under the wrapping paper. There is a new glass website. I am very pleased and nervous to announce Kingsbridge Studio. http://web.idirect.com/~studio An unusual present from my husband. I am interested in knowing how the pictures look to you. Any comments/suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. t t y l Carol From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 18:49:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0taZX1-0000kCa; Thu, 11 Jan 96 18:47 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Happy New Year Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:47:48 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Happy New Year" on Jan 11, 21:11, mike & carol writes:] > There is a new glass website. I am very pleased and nervous to announce > Kingsbridge Studio. > http://web.idirect.com/~studio > An unusual present from my husband. I am interested in knowing how the > pictures look to you. Any comments/suggestions you have are greatly > appreciated. Hi Carol, Just had a look at your website...the pictures are very nice. Were they scanned or put on photo cd? How long have you been doing stained glass? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 16:00:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tatNm-0000Rfa; Fri, 12 Jan 96 15:59 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Too quiet Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:59:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199601122359.PAA20460@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >[In the message entitled "Re: Too quiet" on Jan 5, 9:08, Kelly Bryant writes:] >> > >> I too have been thinking about doing some mosaics, but havn't tried it yet. >> Does it require any other tools that are not used in stained glass. >> Mosaic seems like a great way to get rid of those glass scraps that are too >> small for most stained glass projects. I'd love to hear any tips from >> those of you who have already attempted it. >> > > >I have also been interested in doing some mosaic pieces. I was wondering >what type of grout to use though (without buying a kit). Any >suggestions would be much appreciated. > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com > You can use a tile grout (sand based) just make sure that you seal all of the edges of the glass or the grout will creep under and glass unlike tile will show these leaks From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 16:02:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tatQN-0000rha; Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:02 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: custom bevels Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:02:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199601130002.QAA23033@ix8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >I have a leaded glass window that has been broken. Six bevels need to >be replaced. Three are rectangular (one has an angled corner) and >the other three are curved. The glass is quite thick, approximately >5/16 inches and the came is copper. I need a source for custom >bevels. This window is about 60 - 70 years old and I would like to >be able to repair it. I have some old glass from which the bevels >could be made; I now need someone who can make them. You can reply >to me directly or on this list. > >This is my first posting to this list but I have been listening in >for about two months. I really enjoy this list and always look >forward to what will be on it. >R. D. Craft >craft@unb.ca > Look in your local phone book for hand bevelers. If you have no luck email me and I can get you a price if you supply the templates. From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 16:08:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tatW4-0000Mva; Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:08 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mosaics Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:08:07 -0800 Message-ID: <199601130008.QAA22431@ix13.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Hi. As a frequent eavesdropper to this group, I finally have something to >contribute! > >I'm planning on doing a glass mosaic table top, which will be fitted into the >top of a wood coffee table. I've seen some done by a local artist and really >like the technique. I'll probably glue the mosaic pieces to another piece of >glass and then place both layers into a "hole" in the table top. That way I >won't damage the wood table during the abrasive grouting process. > >I'm still in the thinking stage on this, so any comments or suggestions would >be greatly appreciated! > Just make sure you either fully apply clear silicon to the back of each piece , or seal ALL edges with same. If you dont when you grout your grout will bleed under the glass and even with opals this shows. From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 16:17:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tate4-0000eRa; Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:16 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mosaics Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:16:18 -0800 Message-ID: <199601130016.QAA25140@ix6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Wow, BIG mosaic, Elaine and Howard. That's a lot of weight (I'm sure you've >thought of that), but do your walls shift when trucks come by? I recently >moved from a house where I could not put in any stained glass windows because >it was a main road and the house moved so much at times that the regular >glass windows and storm windows broke all the time. (Lots of stuff hanging >in the windows, though). A relative in another town where a mall was built >nearby and suddenly got truck traffic had moldings pop off her walls! As >well as normal expansion and contraction with temperature and humidity >changes. > How you going to attach it to the wall? >I want to try some smaller things that I can put it regular picture frames. > If you allow room all aroun your panel, block it up at the base with rubber blocks and use a good elastic sealant you should have no problems installing glass anywhere. The same is true for a mosaic panel. The key is to let the piece float in the fso. >#$!& Just dug out from the blizzard of '96 and actually have snow over >the bottom of one of my windows...************ > >-- >Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 >UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 >HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu > From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 11:48:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tbBvI-0000bMa; Sat, 13 Jan 96 11:47 PST X-Path: aol.com!CHarnack From: CHarnack@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jan13.94717.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe CHarnack@aol.com From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 19:54:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tbfyM-0000T9a; Sun, 14 Jan 96 19:52 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Introduction Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: <199601150352.AA11005@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Hello to all I have recently subscribed to this list and thought I would introduce myself. I live in a suburb of Melbourne, in Victoria, Australia and of course am an avid stainedglasser (for want of a better word). I started stained-glass work a couple of years ago but haven't done as much as I would like to. I note that lots of you are digging yourselves out of snow at the moment! We are on the other end of the scale, 40 degrees celsius yesterday. I had some glass out on a workbench under the carport and it was almost too hot to handle. I am always working on one thing or another. I have done quite a lot of leaded panels and have recently been concentrating on developing my skills (much needed developing) with the copper foil method. I have also been practising and practising my precision cutting skills. I have just made some terrariums (5 sided, about 10 inches high) to practice precision. They turned out perfectly. I am now working on a sunchatcher, I suppose you would call it ( to hang in a window). It is a large butterfly with a wingspan of 20 inches. There are 130 pieces in it and some are quite small. I have cut most out and am very pleased that I am developing the skill to cut so well. Mind you I will have the grinder out for quite a few pieces. I found that the acute concave cuts easily break, so I have left some of them for grinding. I actually have heaps of questions but will limit myself to one this time otherwise this will be a novel, not a note......... WINDCHIMES I would love to hear from anyone who could help me with info about making a windchime????? I cannot find any books about them so need help. Must get back to work, day is nearly over and I want to get home, I have a date with my grinder.......... Talk to you all later Andrea From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 21:24:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tbhMx-0000r7a; Sun, 14 Jan 96 21:22 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: Introduction Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:21:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199601150521.AA14478@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Hello to all I have recently subscribed to this list and thought I would introduce myself. I live in a suburb of Melbourne, in Victoria, Australia and of course am an avid stainedglasser (for want of a better word). I started stained-glass work a couple of years ago but haven't done as much as I would like to. I note that lots of you are digging yourselves out of snow at the moment! We are on the other end of the scale, 40 degrees celsius yesterday. I had some glass out on a workbench under the carport and it was almost too hot to handle. I am always working on one thing or another. I have done quite a lot of leaded panels and have recently been concentrating on developing my skills (much needed developing) with the copper foil method. I have also been practising and practising my precision cutting skills. I have just made some terrariums (5 sided, about 10 inches high) to practice precision. They turned out perfectly. I am now working on a sunchatcher, I suppose you would call it ( to hang in a window). It is a large butterfly with a wingspan of 20 inches. There are 130 pieces in it and some are quite small. I have cut most out and am very pleased that I am developing the skill to cut so well. Mind you I will have the grinder out for quite a few pieces. I found that the acute concave cuts easily break, so I have left some of them for grinding. I actually have heaps of questions but will limit myself to one this time otherwise this will be a novel, not a note......... WINDCHIMES I would love to hear from anyone who could help me with info about making a windchime????? I cannot find any books about them so need help. Must get back to work, day is nearly over and I want to get home, I have a date with my grinder.......... Talk to you all later Andrea From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 01:31:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tblFz-0000YVa; Mon, 15 Jan 96 01:31 PST X-Path: yarrow.wt.com.au!rdeint From: Rexort International P/L -- HIGLASS To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:31:08 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <199601150931.RAA14097@yarrow.wt.com.au> References: <<199601150352.AA11005@lucy.swin.edu.au>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Andrea, > WINDCHIMES I would love to hear from anyone who could help me > with info about making a windchime????? I cannot find any books about > them so need help. Some of our clients use the edges - cut to strips - of our HiGlass sheets for making windchimes. They are very effective and a true Australian product. If you are interested, please contact myself of our Melbourne distributor Cheshire Glass. Regards, Harald. -- Harald Reiss, Rexort International Pty Ltd -- HiGlass Perth, Western Australia rdeint@yarrow.wt.com.au From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 11:15:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tbuMH-0000hva; Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:14 PST X-Path: pilot.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Introduction Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:14:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601151914.OAA65299@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> References: <<199601150521.AA14478@lucy.swin.edu.au>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > WINDCHIMES I would love to hear from anyone who could help me > with info about making a windchime????? I cannot find any books about > them so need help. > Hi Andrea I have made a few sets of windchimes using fused stips of glass....they have a nice sound to them... if your interested in knowing more about how I made them let me know and I'll write you private mail seeing as the process was kind of involved and I don't know if anyone else is interested in fused glass or not, or even if you are for that matter. :) E-mail: rosochac@pilot.msu.edu From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 18:52:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tc1Um-0000U0a; Mon, 15 Jan 96 18:51 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!ferbar From: ferbar@ix.netcom.com (Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Windchimes Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:51:21 -0800 Message-ID: <199601160251.SAA12411@ix9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: >I have made a few sets of windchimes using fused stips of glass....they have a nice sound to them... Please post your instructions to the listserv as I think many of us would be interested. Thank you kindly. Barbara From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 20:31:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tc32i-0000c6a; Mon, 15 Jan 96 20:30 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: Windchimes Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:30:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199601160430.AA11169@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Hello to all and thank you for your prompt responses to my enquiry about windchimes. Lisa I am extremely interested in glass fusion and will email you direct with my address as I would like to know how you made yours. Sounds very interesting. I do not have a kiln but am fortunate to access to the equipment and guidance. (Mind you I have to find the time). Harald, Thanks for your reply and I will be in contact with you. You have my curiosity aroused about using cut strips of glass. Being relatively close to home........(albiet the other side of the country) is also appealing. I lived in Perth some years ago, loved it and would be back there at the drop of a hat! Peggy, You went to so much trouble for me and I thank you. The information you gave me was great and I will access the archives now I know about them. I would love to hear from UrselH as, although her post was very detailed there are many queries such as, was it copper foiled and is that strong enough to hold the tubes; is the "swinger" pieced to enable the fishing line to hand from the centre. I guess if you are out there UrselH, you will be in touch. I hope so. Thanks again to you all for responding so quickly. I am thrilled to have found this group, you will be hearing from me again soon. Andrea From owner-glass Tue Jan 16 20:43:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcPhO-0000Mda; Tue, 16 Jan 96 20:42 PST X-Path: aol.com!GinaJoe From: GinaJoe@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wind Chimes Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:42:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jan16.18421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrea, I too have been interested in making wind chimes. I haven't tried any yet, but have seen some for sale. What they did was take some kind of flat panel design, and dangle differently-shaped pieces of glass from nylon threads. The glass pieces I saw were either kiln-heated to give a rounded edge or were ground to give a frosted edge. The thread was either attached to a jewelry finding which was glued to the glass or was strung through a small hole drilled in the glass. Let us know if you try something. I'm eager to hear what works out for you! Incidentally, I'm envious of your Australian home! I spent a very short 8 days in Cairns and Sydney and have wanted to go back ever since! Happy Cutting! Gina From owner-glass Tue Jan 16 21:26:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcQNE-0000QLa; Tue, 16 Jan 96 21:25 PST X-Path: aol.com!GinaJoe From: GinaJoe@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Great New Book! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 00:25:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1996Jan16.192520.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Check your supplier for a new book from SGN Publishing titled "Celestial Stained Glass." It features sun, moon, star and planet designs. It was designed by Lisa Rosochacki, who often appears on this site, and was published by the folks who bring us the Stained Glass News. Happy Cutting! From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 09:07:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcbJd-0000Yra; Wed, 17 Jan 96 09:06 PST X-Path: MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU!kgbryant From: kgbryant@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Kelly Bryant) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Great New Book! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:52:29 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was wondering how to get subscribed to the Stained Glass News. I have seen it mentioned in the GLass Crafters monthly email notice and wanted to start getting it. Anyone out there know? Kelly From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 11:20:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcdNz-0000Xka; Wed, 17 Jan 96 11:19 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Great New Book! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:15:49 -0700 Message-ID: <9601171915.AA07250@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I was wondering how to get subscribed to the Stained Glass News. I have >seen it mentioned in the GLass Crafters monthly email notice and wanted to >start getting it. Anyone out there know? > >Kelly Hi Kelly: I may be wrong, but my suppliers tell me that you can't subscribe. It is a free(to the consumer) publication given to you by your supplier.Obviously,they have to pay for it. It's a good little paper, but I find that lots of the new books, products, etc, aren't yet available at my outlets-very frustrating. Pat Greenwell. kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 11:23:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcdQz-0000lea; Wed, 17 Jan 96 11:22 PST X-Path: mmac.is.lmsc.lockheed.com!rund#m#_sharen From: "Rund, Sharen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Wind Chimes Date: 17 Jan 1996 10:20:29 U Message-ID: <1996Jan17.22029.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I saw chimes made of broken pieces of depression glassware - the ambers, yellows, pinks, greens, etc.. the crafter edged the pieces (lest anyone should get cut on a sharp edge) then hung in interesting "falls" - they sounded great when the wind rippled through them _______________________________________________________________________________ From: glass@bungi.com on Tue, Jan 16, 1996 21:10 Subject: Wind Chimes To: glass@bungi.com Andrea, I too have been interested in making wind chimes. I haven't tried any yet, but have seen some for sale. What they did was take some kind of flat panel design, and dangle differently-shaped pieces of glass from nylon threads. The glass pieces I saw were either kiln-heated to give a rounded edge or were ground to give a frosted edge. The thread was either attached to a jewelry finding which was glued to the glass or was strung through a small hole drilled in the glass. Let us know if you try something. I'm eager to hear what works out for you! Incidentally, I'm envious of your Australian home! I spent a very short 8 days in Cairns and Sydney and have wanted to go back ever since! Happy Cutting! Gina ----------------- From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 12:31:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tceVa-0000Xoa; Wed, 17 Jan 96 12:31 PST X-Path: ixcim.att.com!tynan From: nq9230200-Tynan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Great New Book! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 14:30:32 CST Message-ID: <9601172030.AA09527@ixcim.att.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kelly, Pat is correct that you cannot subscribe directly to the Stained Glass News. I pick it up at my local retailer. If you have a local retailer near you, you might ask them to consider carrying it. I'm quite new to the craft and I find the info in the SGN really helpful. In fact, I ordered back issues directly from Stained Glass News. Back issues (not all are available) CAN be bought directly. If you want info, let me know and I can give you the address. Another great thing about the SGN is that there is a free pattern with each issues. Nothing major, but again, as a newbie, I'm thrilled with them! Tara Tynan tynan@ixcim.att.com >From att!daver.bungi.com!owner-glass Wed Jan 17 14:22:37 1996 >X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell >From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Great New Book! >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:15:49 -0700 >Reply-To: glass@bungi.com >Content-Length: 561 > >>I was wondering how to get subscribed to the Stained Glass News. I have >>seen it mentioned in the GLass Crafters monthly email notice and wanted to >>start getting it. Anyone out there know? >> >>Kelly >Hi Kelly: >I may be wrong, but my suppliers tell me that you can't subscribe. It is a >free(to the consumer) publication given to you by your >supplier.Obviously,they have to pay for it. It's a good little paper, but I >find that lots of the new books, products, etc, aren't yet available at my >outlets-very frustrating. >Pat Greenwell. > >kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca > > > From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 13:58:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcfr0-0000kBa; Wed, 17 Jan 96 13:57 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Wind Chimes Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:56:55 +0000 Message-ID: <199601172156.AA21394@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk (I saw chimes made of broken pieces of depression glassware - the ambers, yellows, pinks, greens, etc.. the crafter edged the pieces (lest anyone should get cut on a sharp edge) then hung in interesting "falls" - they sounded great when the wind rippled through them) SHAREN The windchimes you saw sound lovely but (excuse my ignorance) what is depression glassware??? Also, when you say edged, do you mean the edges are foiled and soldered??? I'm still a bit of a novice when it comes to terminology!!!! Andrea From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 15:32:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tchKy-0000cGa; Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:32 PST X-Path: cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Great New Book! Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 19:33:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1996Jan17.113317.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Kelly Bryant wrote: > > I was wondering how to get subscribed to the Stained Glass News. I have > seen it mentioned in the GLass Crafters monthly email notice and wanted to > start getting it. Anyone out there know? > > Kelly Sorry but the SGN is only distributed to business concerns. You should check w/ your local supplier. pristine@gr.cns.net http://www.cns.net/pristine From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 08:03:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tcwnO-000042a; Thu, 18 Jan 96 08:02 PST X-Path: mmac.is.lmsc.lockheed.com!rund#m#_sharen From: "Rund, Sharen" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Wind Chimes Date: 18 Jan 1996 07:58:27 U Message-ID: <1996Jan17.235827.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk depression glassware is the clear & colored glass dishes given out at theaters during the 30s, e.g., every time you went to the movie theater you got a plate, cup, saucer, the glass itself had designs/patterns etched in the underside etc - kind of like the glasses, dishtowels, etc. that used to be packed in boxes of soap, or the footed glasware that peanut butter came in - they were "free" for the cost of admission/purchase but, depression glass (DG has its own news group & list) is BIG to collect - needless to say, since its glass, it can break, and, if you can picture broken pieces of glass, with beautiful lines from the patterns, in broken pieces, that are foiled, at least, so they won't cut anyone, blowing in the wind, and catching the sun rays..... I suppose, if you have a grinder/sander, you could smooth off the edges & carefully drill a hole in the glass to thread the "sting" through I hope this answers your question _______________________________________________________________________________ From: glass@bungi.com on Wed, Jan 17, 1996 19:51 Subject: RE: Wind Chimes To: glass@bungi.com (I saw chimes made of broken pieces of depression glassware - the ambers, yellows, pinks, greens, etc.. the crafter edged the pieces (lest anyone should get cut on a sharp edge) then hung in interesting "falls" - they sounded great when the wind rippled through them) SHAREN The windchimes you saw sound lovely but (excuse my ignorance) what is depression glassware??? Also, when you say edged, do you mean the edges are foiled and soldered??? I'm still a bit of a novice when it comes to terminology!!!! Andrea ----------------- From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 11:42:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0td0Df-0000tWa; Thu, 18 Jan 96 11:41 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: lcbell@memach.com (Linda J. Campbell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:41:55 -0500 Message-ID: <199601181941.OAA19723@raft.memach.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe lcbell@memach.com ___________________________________________________________________ | | | | Linda J. Campbell | The opinions expressed here | | E-Mail: lcbell@memach.com @ @ do not necessarily reflect | | Phone: (804) 543-6801 ext.304 ~ those of Metro Machine Corp. | | FAX: (804) 494-0742 | P.O. Box 1860, Nfk, VA 23501 | |__________________________________|________________________________| From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 18:10:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0td6Fs-0000Q6a; Thu, 18 Jan 96 18:08 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!WBCE44A From: WBCE44A@prodigy.com (MS JUNE A WISEMAN) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:44:32 EST Message-ID: <097.08996498.WBCE44A@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 17:41:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfGf0-00010Pa; Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:39 PST X-Path: dlr From: dlr (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mailing list out of service for a couple of days Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:39 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Due to an internal problem (namely some administrator named Dave Rand modifying a script), the Stained Glass mailing list was out of service for a couple of days. Please resubmit any messages you may have sent since Thursday, Jan 18. Sorry for the inconvenience! Dave Rand postmaster@bungi.com ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 06:58:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfT6e-00017ja; Thu, 25 Jan 96 06:56 PST X-Path: mail.utexas.edu!kgbryant From: kgbryant@mail.utexas.edu (Kelly Bryant) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:22:36 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone out there! Forgive me if you receive this message twice. I submitted it yesterday, but I just got the message about the mailing list being down for a few days. I have been working on a window for my father's very late X-mas gift. I had just gotten done soldering when I saw a small mark going through part of the glass. I lifted the window up carfully to see if it was a the start of a break or just a blemish in the glass. As soon as I lifted it I heard a pop and the glass broke in two. I have plenty of glass to repair the piece, but I have never had this happen before so I wanted to get some tips from those of you who have. The piece that is broke is on the edge of the window so hopfully that will make it easier. It is a great looking window(besides the crack) and I don't want to mess it up. Please HELP me! I would like to finish this window one of these days. Thanks, Kelly ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 07:25:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfTX5-00018da; Thu, 25 Jan 96 07:24 PST X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <9601251522.AA18226@crosfield.co.uk> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think the books usually reccomend soemthing like the following: for lead came: (1) score glass, break, and remove fragments (2) prise up edges of came. (3) insert replacement glass. (4) flatten came and cement in. if you're on an edge you may be able to unsolder/remove a section of came to make putting the replacement in easier. For copper-foiled panels, I think the process is similar: (1) score, break, remove old (2) melt solder and remove old foil (3) make pattern (4) cut and foil new part (5) insert and solder. Disclaimer: I haven't tried either method myself, and I may have misremembered. -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 09:27:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfVRl-00015Ha; Thu, 25 Jan 96 09:26 PST X-Path: mail.utexas.edu!kgbryant From: kgbryant@mail.utexas.edu (Kelly Bryant) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:55:36 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Kelly again. The one with the broken window. It has been pointed out to me that I didn't mention whether or not my window is lead or copper foil. It is a lead came window. I have soldered it, but have not putty it yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kelly ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 10:26:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfWMG-00013ba; Thu, 25 Jan 96 10:25 PST X-Path: pipe.nova.ca!chris.gregors From: chris.gregors@pipe.nova.ca (Chris Gregors) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mailing list out of service for a couple of days Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:22:36 GMT Message-ID: <3107ca56.14717056@mail01.pipe.nova.ca> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nova Corporation of Alberta Precedence: bulk Canadians.... go figger. On Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:39 PST, you wrote: >Due to an internal problem (namely some administrator named Dave Rand >modifying a script), the Stained Glass mailing list was out of service >for a couple of days. Please resubmit any messages you may have sent >since Thursday, Jan 18. Sorry for the inconvenience! > >Dave Rand >postmaster@bungi.com >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 14:10:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfZpZ-0000hra; Thu, 25 Jan 96 14:07 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:07:35 -0800 Message-ID: <199601252207.OAA06434@ix9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > > >This is Kelly again. The one with the broken window. It has been pointed >out to me that I didn't mention whether or not my window is lead or copper >foil. It is a lead came window. I have soldered it, but have not putty it >yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Kelly > > >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > Kelly, If the break is at a border it is a simple repair. With your lead knife carefully cut the solder joints on the back side on the perimeter lead. slowly ( in stages) fold the perimeter lead back (let the panel hang slightly over the edge of the table. Slip out the old piece and replace ( you can score and break it out if it is tight. Cut the new piece slightly smaller ( about 1/64) than the original, nip all corners so they don't hangup and run sandpaper along the edges of the glass to help avoid spauling of the glass. Fold leads back down and resolder. good luck ms ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 16:30:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfc11-00016ka; Thu, 25 Jan 96 16:27 PST X-Path: cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:28:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1996Jan25.122840.0> References: <<199601252207.OAA06434@ix9.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Michael Smoucha wrote: ....and run sandpaper along the edges of the glass to > help avoid spauling of the glass. Fold leads back down and resolder. > Spauling??? ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 16:44:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfcFx-0000woa; Thu, 25 Jan 96 16:43 PST X-Path: cns.net!Pristine From: Pristine To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:44:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1996Jan25.124422.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk > I have been working on a window for my father's very late X-mas gift. I > had just gotten done soldering when I saw a small mark going through part > of the glass. I lifted the window up carfully to see if it was a the start > of a break or just a blemish in the glass. As soon as I lifted it I heard > a pop and the glass broke in two. I have plenty of glass to repair the > piece, but I have never had this happen before so I wanted to get some tips > from those of you who have. The piece that is broke is on the edge of the > window so hopfully that will make it easier. > > It is a great looking window(besides the crack) and I don't want to mess it > up. Please HELP me! I would like to finish this window one of these days. > > Thanks, > KellyI read the replies to your question. here's 2 cents more. If it is at all possible cut the perimeter lead on both sides of the window so you can remove the lead without lifting the flange. ____\______________________/_____ \ / <-- perimeter ______\__________________/_______ | |\ /| | | | | | | | | | ^ ^ interoir leads--------| Cut at an angle as shown. This will allow the glass to clear the heart of the perimeter lead. Provided that the broken piece is does not get wider towards the interior you can slide out the old and in the new. You should cut the new piece slightly smaller as someone had mentioned. Put the lead you cut away back. Solder and cement. Note: the angle you cut the lead at should be close to 45 degrees. http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 20:09:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tffQ5-0000yta; Thu, 25 Jan 96 20:05 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Window Repair Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:05:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199601260405.UAA22487@ix10.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Michael Smoucha wrote: >....and run sandpaper along the edges of the glass to >> help avoid spauling of the glass. Fold leads back down and resolder. >> Spauling??? >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > Spauling shell shaped chips in the glass caused by edges catching on unforgiving surfaces. Look for the term in relationship to stone also. Cutting of the leads may not be acceptable if the window is to hang i.e. without a frame. Bending the lead came back if done with care will give a clean, undamaged appearance and show no evidence of repair work. Even if a frame is used I would not completely cut the lead away as this does more to damage the integrety of the perimeter lead than folding it back. ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Fri Jan 26 03:27:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfmIZ-00010Ba; Fri, 26 Jan 96 03:26 PST X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: tiffany lamp question Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:29:30 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, It's good to be back now that I have a new address. I am just starting my first Tiffany lamp and have a question regarding glass choice. I think I picked the wrong kind for some of the flowers. I don't know what the glass is called but it has lots of good sized bubbles on the underside and is very uneven of the top side. I love it, but I think it is going to cause problems when trying to assemble and solder since it won't lie flat. It doesn't seem to line up very well with the other types of glass already on the form. I've only cut about 5 pieces so it is not a big disaster. Thanks for your help (Howard, are you still out there?). Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com From owner-glass Fri Jan 26 13:41:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfvsP-0000YNa; Fri, 26 Jan 96 13:40 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Kaleidoscopes Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:36:46 -0700 Message-ID: <9601262136.AA13757@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a small home-based glass business and sell my glass in 10 craft stores. One of my most popular items is the kaleidoscope, and to date I have been using Clarity kits (which I am very pleased with) and making my own wheels. I want to try some different designs- does anyone know a source of kaleidoscopes other than Clarity? I live in Canada so I would prefer a US or Canadain souce. With the state of the Canadian dollar, it takes a bit of courage to order outside the country. Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 26 13:55:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tfw6V-0000Hua; Fri, 26 Jan 96 13:54 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany lamp question Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:54:35 -0800 Message-ID: <199601262154.NAA24622@ix10.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Hi All, > It's good to be back now that I have a new address. I am just >starting my first Tiffany lamp and have a question regarding glass choice. >I think I picked the wrong kind for some of the flowers. I don't know what >the glass is called but it has lots of good sized bubbles on the underside >and is very uneven of the top side. I love it, but I think it is going to >cause problems when trying to assemble and solder since it won't lie flat. >It doesn't seem to line up very well with the other types of glass already >on the form. I've only cut about 5 pieces so it is not a big disaster. > Thanks for your help (Howard, are you still out there?). > >Sue >1091@nethawk.com > >Sue, In many cases you can use pins under the edges of the adjacent glass to bring the pieces up to level with the thicker glass. You will have to fuss with it a bit but if you like the glass it will probably be worth it. Just push the pins in flush and try the pieces. Pull up the pins untill they keep the glass at the level that you require. M.S. > > > >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 26 21:25:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tg38A-0000aLa; Fri, 26 Jan 96 21:24 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!ferbar From: ferbar@ix.netcom.com (Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: another lamp question Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:24:46 -0800 Message-ID: <199601270524.VAA09555@ix12.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all! I'm about to start my first lamp project and am seeking advice. My teacher suggests using a Worden pattern no larger than 16 inches. Does anyone have a favorite pattern .. one you thought was particularly good for a beginner? Is there an upper limit of pieces for a first project .. 200, 400, 600? I think I know better than to try the lotus pattern. Suggestion and advice are welcome. Thanks. Barbara ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 04:54:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgA8E-0000fua; Sat, 27 Jan 96 04:53 PST X-Path: prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany lamp questions and Canadian supply sources Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:51:57 EST Message-ID: <096.09653700.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Neat to know that so many people are making Tiffany lamps! Sue, Mike's suggestion about using pins to support the edges from underneath worked well for me too. Of course, we're both assuming you're using a styrofoam mold! Also, glass headed sewing pins work better. The ones with plastic heads can melt from the heat of soldering. I think some of the challenges arise from the size of the pieces, as well as irregularities in glass thickness. When you put a flat piece on a curved form, the edges are bound to stick up somewhere: more noticeable the larger the piece. I almost died the first time I realized I would have to figure out how to connect leaf tips that made NO contact with the adjoining pieces... [gulp!] It can be done, and isn't as hard as it seems. Bridge the gap gradually by building up drops of solder from the edges toward the gap. With that as a base, the top layer can be smoothed into a bead. The trick is to have the iron hot enough to bead the surface, and to work quickly enough to avoid melting through your bridge. For really obnoxious areas, you can try bridging the worst area with a small piece of foil to give extra support to the solder. If you reheat it too often, though, it may decide to detach, causing you invent new colorful phrases not fit for public consumption! Barbara, I have no connection with any retail sellers and offer the following simply as information. :-) Glass Crafters in FL has a sale flyer out offering a "tiny Tiffany" package, which includes a Worden 7" bell or globe form of your choice of design, a choice between 2 different styles of base (includes wiring), the vase cap, and even the light bulb, I think! These forms are about 200 pieces and might seem like a more manageable project than that lotus, or Howard's dragonfly swirl. :-) Call 1-800-422-4552 for details. I think the package is about $39 and does not include glass. I'm sure Delphi and Warner Crivellaro [and others] offer all the parts separately also. Let us know what you decide to take on! Pat, I find the following glass suppliers for Canada on a longer list of American suppliers: Hollander Glass Canada 3095 Universal Dr 905-625-7911 Mississauga, Ontario 1-800-268-0467 L4X 2E2, Canada Kaleido Glass Limited 905-837-7373 2 Lamb Street fax - 905-873-7388 Georgetown, Ontario L7G 3M9, Canada Adventure Art Glass - wholesale 1-800-824-3162 Mid-America Stained Glass - wholesale 1-800-255-6631 Those last 2 don't look like Canadian exchanges to me, but were listed under the Canada section. I've never ordered from them and don't know anyone who has, but it might be a starting point in your search. You might also consider contacting the Brewster Society (a kaleidoscope enthusiasts group) located at 100 Severn Ave. Suite 605 Annapolis, MD 21403 Good luck! Peggy, who just finished cleaning up the flood in the glass studio caused by 2.5 ft of snow melting in 1.5 days. Can spring really be coming? ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 06:55:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgC1p-0000mca; Sat, 27 Jan 96 06:54 PST X-Path: uoguelph.ca!kfuchs From: Katherine Fuchs To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:54:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 06:59:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgC5N-0000xWa; Sat, 27 Jan 96 06:58 PST X-Path: uoguelph.ca!kfuchs From: Katherine Fuchs To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:58:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe kfuchs@uoguelph.ca ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 10:26:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgFJj-0000YVa; Sat, 27 Jan 96 10:25 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany lamp questions and Canadian supply sources Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:22:32 -0700 Message-ID: <9601271822.AA16947@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Pat, I find the following glass suppliers for Canada on a longer list >of American suppliers: Hi Peggy: Thanks for the list. They are new sources to me. If anyone out there is interested, I've had good service from The Glass Place in Pointe Claire, Que, Canada Their 800 # is 1-800-363-7855 Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 11:13:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgG3K-00004na; Sat, 27 Jan 96 11:12 PST X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: <199601271912.OAA09903@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a small home-based glass business and sell my glass in 10 craft >stores. One of my most popular items is the kaleidoscope, and to date I >have been using Clarity kits (which I am very pleased with) and making my >own wheels. I want to try some different designs- does anyone know a source >of kaleidoscopes other than Clarity? I live in Canada so I would prefer a >US or Canadain souce. With the state of the Canadian dollar, it takes a bit >of courage to order outside the country. >Pat > >kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca >Pat Greenwell >Ponoka,Alberta,Canada > > >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Hi Pat, this is Carol in Mississauga (Toronto) My favourite supplier is Fantasy in Glass Glassworks 703 The Queensway Toronto, Ont 416 252 6868 speak with Mike or Jim Hollander and Kaleido are wholesale suppliers and may not deal with you. I know that FIGG sends orders out by courier but you would have to be specific as they do not have a catalogue. They may be able to make good suggestions about other kaleidoscope patterns. Delphi in Michigan has an awesome catalogue. Look for them on the web, try doing a search on Delphi. They sent me a catalogue just for filling out their survey. Looked at the book and promptly went to FIGG and dropped $200!!! or link through my site: http://web.idirect.com/~studio Good luck Carol ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 12:06:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgGsZ-00004na; Sat, 27 Jan 96 12:05 PST X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: another lamp question Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:05:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199601272005.PAA15953@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hello all! >I'm about to start my first lamp project and am seeking advice. My >teacher suggests using a Worden pattern no larger than 16 inches. Does >anyone have a favorite pattern .. one you thought was particularly >good for a beginner? Is there an upper limit of pieces for a first >project .. 200, 400, 600? I think I know better than to try the lotus >pattern. Suggestion and advice are welcome. Thanks. Barbara >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Hi Barbara, this is Carol My first Worden lamp was 19 1/2 inches in diameter, had over 300 pieces and my mother-in-law still loves it!! Worden G19 1/2 - 2. Used almond opal, dark clear amber, white opal and ruby red cathedral on the diamond shapes. The form was large enough that very few edges stuck up, it had more of a smooth finish. This was done as a course offered by one of the cities best studios, Fantasy in Glass Glassworks, Toronto. Yes it took a long time, classes were 3 hours and we spent ten weeks on the course. We had to spend at least 3-6 hours per week on our own just to keep up with the 'lesson'. If you would like to see it, try http://web.idirect.com/~studio My project for 1996 is to use the same form and make a lamp using shells from the Bahamas and a second lamp using Florida shells. Wish me luck!! Enjoy, Carol ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 13:03:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgHl7-0000ULa; Sat, 27 Jan 96 13:02 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:58:58 -0700 Message-ID: <9601272058.AA21638@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi Pat, this is Carol in Mississauga (Toronto) >My favourite supplier is Fantasy in Glass Glassworks Hi Carol: **Thanks for your reply and all the helpful advice.I have heard about FIGG: my supplier out here had some of their disigns once. >Delphi in Michigan has an awesome catalogue. Look for them on the web, try >doing a search on Delphi. >They sent me a catalogue just for filling out their survey. Looked at the >book and promptly went to FIGG and >dropped $200!!! **I just found Delphi and have sent for their catalogue. I know I will want to order but the exchange is such a hindrance.Do you find that FIGG can/will get some of the items you see in the Delphi catalogue? Thanks again-Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 15:43:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgKGK-0000i7a; Sat, 27 Jan 96 15:42 PST X-Path: cencom.net!schneijf From: schneijf@cencom.net (jean schneider) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:42:14 -0600 Message-ID: <9601272342.AA06969@ns.cencom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >unsubscribe >---- >To request a change in your subscription, please >mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 04:50:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgWXc-0000KKa; Sun, 28 Jan 96 04:49 PST X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 07:52:13 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>I have a small home-based glass business and sell my glass in 10 craft >>stores. One of my most popular items is the kaleidoscope, and to date I >>have been using Clarity kits (which I am very pleased with) and making my >>own wheels. I want to try some different designs- does anyone know a source >>of kaleidoscopes other than Clarity? I live in Canada so I would prefer a >>US or Canadain souce. With the state of the Canadian dollar, it takes a bit >>of courage to order outside the country. >>Pat >Delphi in Michigan has an awesome catalogue. Look for them on the web, try >doing a search on Delphi. >They sent me a catalogue just for filling out their survey. Looked at the >book and promptly went to FIGG and I am going to Delphi today (if the weather holds) and will be glad to check on kaleidoscopes for you to see if there are other manufacturers. The other thing you can do is to email Delphi and Stephanie will email you back promptly with information. delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 12:21:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgdZl-0000Y8a; Sun, 28 Jan 96 12:19 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kaleidoscopes Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:16:28 -0700 Message-ID: <9601282016.AA25712@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I am going to Delphi today (if the weather holds) and will be glad to check >on kaleidoscopes for you to see if there are other manufacturers. The >other thing you can do is to email Delphi and Stephanie will email you back >promptly with information. > delphigl@vixa.voyager.net Hi Sue; Thanks so much for youkind offer. I have sent for their catalogue and look forward to getting it.I'll be glad to hear if you find anything really exciting. I have sent to them for a kaleidoscope kit called 'Lost in Space' (or some such name) which they mentioned on their home page. Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 13:33:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgei9-00002Oa; Sun, 28 Jan 96 13:32 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: Butterfly Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:32:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199601282132.AA32327@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Hi to everyone I'm re-sending this, it never made it while there was a server problem. I thought the problem was at my end as we "migrated" from one provider to another and were out of action for a day or so. Now its catch-up time. Just checking my mail, none to answer so thought I'd fill everyone in with my weekend project. I'm making a butterfly with a 20 inch wingspan. So far I have soldered all pieces of both wings and now have to put it together with the body, head and antanne.. It is just beautiful so far and I'm so proud of myself as I said I was practicing my precision cutting. Some of the pieces in this butterfly (127) are as small as the nail on my little finger. I did have to grind the very tight curves nevertheless I think I did very well. I used black opaque glass close to the body and in other parts I used iridised glass. Is looking stunning and can't wait for next weekend to come to work on it some more. We have a long weekend here this weekend coming "Australia Day" so I have a little more time to spend with my glass. I have been getting all sorts of information together in my mind about how I'm going to make my windchimes and I guess I'll just experiment with the info I have received. I am going to visit the distributer for HI GLASS soon and have a look at this new product. Sounds like a wonderful product. Will let you know when I'v seen it. Talk to you all later Andrea ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 13:37:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgelG-0000Qza; Sun, 28 Jan 96 13:35 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: Depression Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:35:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199601282135.AA32437@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk (Again re-sending since this one did'nt get through either) Sharen Thanks for your explanation of depression glass. Sounds maravellous, if you were lucky enough to get hold of some. I will never look at a piece of broken glass the same!!!! Andrea ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 13:42:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgeq2-0000MBa; Sun, 28 Jan 96 13:40 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: Templates Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:40:34 +0000 Message-ID: <199601282140.AA32478@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Yet another one that didn't make it....................... Hi, Can anyone advise me of what is best to glue/adhesive to use when you put templates onto the glass to cut around. I haven't found a suitable solution and find that most will come off when I have to use the grinder and they get wet. Any advice greately appreciated. Andrea ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 18:20:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgjBQ-0000a8a; Sun, 28 Jan 96 18:19 PST X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Templates Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:18:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199601290218.VAA11354@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Can anyone advise me of what is best to glue/adhesive to use when you >put templates onto the glass to cut around. I haven't found a >suitable solution and find that most will come off when I have to use >the grinder and they get wet. >Any advice greately appreciated. >Andrea Hi Andrea, this is Carol Why not trace around your template with a black, fine point Staedtler marking pen? I trace most of my pattern pieces with these then cut inside the lines and if necessary, grind off any marker that is left. If using dark glass, try a gold marking pen. Both will come off with a good hard rub when cleaning the glass before foiling even though they are supposed to be permanent. Good luck Carol http://web.idirect.com/~studio ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 21:48:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgmQM-0000n1a; Sun, 28 Jan 96 21:46 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: CUTTING LEAD Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:46:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199601290546.AA24444@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Hi all Can anyone help me with a query on some sort of guillotine for cutting bulk strips of lead, using a lead knife is too time consuming for mas producing. I have seen the came saw but wondering if there was something else. Also, I promised to let you know what I thought of the HI GLASS that Harald advised us about some time ago. Well let me tell you I have never seen anything like it. It is absolutely beautiful with such richness, texture and markings, very smooth and the colours, wowwwww. It is a bit dearer than other glasses but as the rep. advised me, plan and design my project, then come in and choose the glass. They have the most magnificent greens I've ever seen. (I can feel another butterfly coming on, particularly using the colour they call Peacock), and the other colours are just as magnificant. Enough, enough bye for now Andrea ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 21:54:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgmVo-0000X0a; Sun, 28 Jan 96 21:52 PST X-Path: swin.edu.au!andreaking From: "Andrea King" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Subject: CUTTING LEAD Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:49:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199601290551.AA15570@lucy.swin.edu.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Swinburne University Precedence: bulk Hi all Can anyone help me with a query on some sort of guillotine for cutting bulk strips of lead, using a lead knife is too time consuming for mas producing. I have seen the came saw but wondering if there was something else. Also, I promised to let you know what I thought of the HI GLASS that Harald advised us about some time ago. Well let me tell you I have never seen anything like it. It is absolutely beautiful with such richness, texture and markings, very smooth and the colours, wowwwww. It is a bit dearer than other glasses but as the rep. advised me, plan and design my project, then come in and choose the glass. They have the most magnificent greens I've ever seen. (I can feel another butterfly coming on, particularly using the colour they call Peacock), and the other colours are just as magnificant. Enough, enough bye for now Andrea ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 02:23:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgqiE-0000n6a; Mon, 29 Jan 96 02:21 PST X-Path: pig.net!chicago From: carole pearson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:20:39 -0500 Message-ID: <199601291020.AA25031@pig.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna and everyone, I am having a problem when I solder my foiled pieces of glass. Even though I am trying to get the glass clean and get the foil burnished down tight I am still getting a lift on the foil and am getting a sharp edge on the solder bead. Then when I try to clean the piece water gets down inside of the tape am I have a disaster on my hands. The resulting solder joints are not strong enough plus the looks of the piece suffer. Any help anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. I am always looking to find a bargain so therefore I do a lot of comparism shopping. I have found that Warner-Crivillero stained glass supply company to have the best selection and the best prices, especially when you order more than one item at a time. My orders were sent promptly and everything was there without having to back order. I have to tell you that I have only ordered from them a few times because I am fortunate enough to have a few good stores locally to shop from, especially for glass. I would recommend anyone wanting to order glass to get the glass sample sets that I believe are available from most glass companies. Will be looking forward to hearing from anyone that can get my edges to stay flat. Thanks Carole I'm sending this again because I don't think the first one got through. Have enjoyed reading all of the interesting mail. ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 03:26:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgrhk-0000bLa; Mon, 29 Jan 96 03:25 PST X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Re: tiffany lamp question Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 06:28:08 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard requested that I forward my question and his response to the whole group so that it can be archived. >Subject: Re: tiffany lamp question > >Hi Sue...We will do this a little at a time.... >My first suggestion is scrap the clear blue..reason is clear (cathedral type >glass) INHO should NOT be used except for a little trim or a grid row or for >a highlight only in any lamp. Clear shows bulbs, hardware, and is VERY harsh >to look at and has no life in it. >USE an opalescent (not clear) type glass for the lamp. I would spend some >extra money for the flowers and the leaves, and do the background in a less >expensive machine made glass..spectrum, kokomo, armstrong or wissmach. >Judging from the picture, there should not be pieces that stick up very much >. Average the height (rock the glass) to find the center and solder it to >the next piece. >If you are using one form lose the cardboard strips for the side as Worden >suggests you use, and cut window glass instead for the sides. It is ok to >piece the window. Glue them on with silicone rubber (used sparingly). >It would be easier too use two repeats instead of one. If you have two DO >NOT put sides on, as the sections have to interlock. >One section will need an edge to abut the next section to, so as to match >them up. >Two forms will enable you to interlock the bridging pieces, and all you have >to do is to be careful not to dislodge the glass when switching the forms. >Need to go back to work...let me know what you have and we can go from there >-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > >Date: Sunday, 28-Jan-96 07:43 AM > >From: Sue Eiszler \ Internet: (1091@nethawk.com) To: >Elaine & Howard Rubin \ Internet: (weaver51@teleport.com) > >Subject: Re: tiffany lamp question > >Hi Howard, > I don't know the names of the different types of glass (am really >ignorant but know what I like and use those types of glass) so the best I >can do is give you the number that is written on the glass but it may be the >local stained glass shop's numbering system because it doesn't match with >any in the Delphi catalog. I am planning on going to Lansing today (the >weather was too bad to go yesterday - I have 2 kids at Michigan State which >is about 1 mile from Delphi) and will stop at Delphi and get the >name/manuafacturer then. In the meantime: > It is a clear blue glass with large roundish bubbles on the >underside that range in size up to 1/4"+. They are randomly placed over >the surface. The upperside is very uneven as a result of the bubbles. The >number on the glass from the shop in this town is 233 N0061E. > I am doing a Worden RC22-17. Someone suggested using glass head >pins underneath to even out the glass to fit and someone else suggested bits >of tacky wax used in the same way. If either of those would work >successfully, would it also help to reverse the glass and have the bubble >side on the outside of the lamp? Or do I really need to get some other >glass? > Thanks, Howard and boy am I glad you are still on the list. I have >a feeling I will need your expertise a lot in the weeks to come. Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 05:54:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgu1Y-0000lga; Mon, 29 Jan 96 05:53 PST X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 29 Jan 96 08:49:20 EST Message-ID: <960129.085308.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199601291020.AA25031@pig.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is it all the time that you are having trouble with foil? (Oh, what sentance structure!) In other words, is it just this roll of foil. Sometimes you get duds! Or have you stored lots of foil for a long period of time? Try a new roll of foil. If that doesn't work, how are you cleaning the glass? -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 10:00:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgxrc-0000rMa; Mon, 29 Jan 96 09:59 PST X-Path: camadm.Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA To: "GLASS@BUNGI.COM" Subject: lamp bases Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 09:59:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1996Jan29.15917.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where to buy lamp bases at wholesale prices in the Vancouver B.C. area, or maybe a place that has a lot of selection. It's really hard to fine nice bases especially for mini-lamps. Donna ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 10:54:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgygE-0000Jta; Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:51 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: HI GLASS Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:48:33 -0700 Message-ID: <9601291848.AA03330@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Also, I promised to let you know what I thought of the HI GLASS that >Harald advised us about some time ago. Well let me tell you I have Hi Andrea: I missed the original post about Hi Glass. Can you tell me more about it/where to get it? Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 10:54:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgyhb-0000nza; Mon, 29 Jan 96 10:53 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Foiling problems Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: <9601291849.AA03386@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I am having a problem when I solder my foiled pieces of glass. Hi Carole: After 5 years' experience I have had my sare of lifting foil. 1-Make sure that you don't stretch the foil when you apply it, especially to inside curves.There's a great temptation to pull it tight & smooth, but it reslts in lifting. 2-make sure your glass is not only clean but warm! Maybe that isn't a problem where you live but it's minus 4o here today and when my glass is cold, it won't cut, and won't foil. Just hold small pieces in your hands for a few seconds, and see if it helps. 3- I don't get too bent out of shape with the precleaning. I use old shampoo, old bubblebath, dishwashing detergent or whatever. Hope this helps. Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 12:17:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tgzyB-0000Fia; Mon, 29 Jan 96 12:14 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: lamp bases Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 13:10:40 -0700 Message-ID: <9601292010.AA07003@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Does anyone know where to buy lamp bases at wholesale prices in the Vancouver >B.C. area, or maybe a place that has a lot of selection. It's really >hard to fine nice bases especially for mini-lamps. Donna Hi Donna: I buy my bases from 2 sources-The Glass Place in Pointe Claire, Que-1-800-363-7855 and Kona Stained Glass in Vancouver.-604-877-1332 Both offer wholesale/retail prices.and have good selections. I want to try Tiffany Stained Glass in Richmond BC, but haven't got there yet.Do you know if they offer whloesale prices? I trhink they do. Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 16:01:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0th3US-0000l8a; Mon, 29 Jan 96 16:00 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: I need a "bright" idea Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 16:56:39 -0700 Message-ID: <9601292356.AA20548@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody: I have been given the job of making glass lamps for a renovation at a local grocery store. The owner wants stained glass lights at each checkout(which indicate whether they are open or closed. I have the poles and will fit them on with a 3 1/2" brass ring. Has anybody seen anything like this or know of any such patterns? Help. Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 22:43:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0th9le-0000tka; Mon, 29 Jan 96 22:42 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!ferbar From: ferbar@ix.netcom.com (Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: tiffany lamp questions and Canadian supply sources Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:42:04 -0800 Message-ID: <199601300642.WAA29878@ix9.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Sorry to hear of your mess. Thanks for the glass crafters flyer info - I hadn't noticed that. Couldn't help notice however that you are on prodigy. I am too. Have you visited the crafts2 bulletin board there? There is a very active glass group there - friendly people, like here - as well as two chat nights, Sunday and Wednesday. If you're interested in chat, check the board for instructions and the password to get in. Occasionally, we get some runover from the singles groups, hence the password. Open invitation to anyone else from Prodigy. See you there. Barbara ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 22:55:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0th9xF-0000uia; Mon, 29 Jan 96 22:54 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!ferbar From: ferbar@ix.netcom.com (Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Templates Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 22:54:02 -0800 Message-ID: <199601300654.WAA11584@ix3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Can anyone advise me of what is best to glue/adhesive to use when you >put templates onto the glass to cut around. Andrea: I also use the pen method sometimes, as well as light box cutting occasionally. When I feel I need to attach the pattern (template) to the glass I use rubber cement. The pattern can be attached semi-permanently (and subsequently destroys the pattern for re-use) or you can follow the directions on the bottle so that the attachment is "temporary", that is, it will peel off when you're done. I've just recently bought some mylar which I thought I'd use for those times when I'll be making quite a few of a particular pattern. Haven't tried it yet, though. I'll let you know. Barbara ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 23:03:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thA5G-0000o8a; Mon, 29 Jan 96 23:02 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!ferbar From: ferbar@ix.netcom.com (Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:02:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199601300702.XAA26620@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >I am having a problem when I solder my foiled pieces of glass. Carol: I, too, had that problem with a kaleidoscope I made recently. Before I finished it, I took in into my local shop to ask if I should rip it apart. They showed me a couple other pieces which they said also had that problem, and after finishing and handling, the foil laid down some. They simply told me to go home, not worry and burnish the soldered foil a little. It's now a week later and they were right. I finished the piece and now the seams are behaving better. Hope the same works for you. Barbara ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 23:05:33 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thA6l-0000r7a; Mon, 29 Jan 96 23:04 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!ferbar From: ferbar@ix.netcom.com (Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Re: another lamp question Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:03:43 -0800 Message-ID: <199601300703.XAA26840@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---- Begin Forwarded Message Return-Path: Received: from desiree.teleport.com by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA17411; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:14:34 -0800 Received: from [206.163.116.114] (ip-southb1-18.teleport.com [206.163.116.114]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA11927 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:14:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199601290714.XAA11927@desiree.teleport.com> To: Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez Subject: Re: another lamp question Date: Sun, 28 Jan 96 23:12:34 -0500 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hello Barbara, some suggestions without knowing the QUALITY of your instructor... The 16" full forms are ok to start with, assuming your instructor as some experience. Cones usually use longer pieces of glass, domes generally use smaller pieces due to curves in both directions. A non grid background is usually easier to do as there is no CAREFUL alignment in both directions to mess up. Some of the cones have a tuck row, and can be tricky to do. (I got tricks for those). Pick out a specific one (style) and I can comment on it. If you have not bought it, and your instructor does not sell them, I can have a set up shipped to you for a bit of a discount from the retail price. If YOUR instructor does indeed have a shop, and sells supplies...buy from her/him as they may resent your buying elsewhere. SPEND money on quality hand made glass for florals, and you can go less expensive glass (machine made) for background grids or plain background lamps. A Dragonfly is VERY hard lamp to do because it is mostly background and hard to color phase. If you have the expertise, youmay forward this post to the list as well -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Friday, 26-Jan-96 09:24 PM From: Yndalcio and Barbara Fernandez \ Internet: (ferbar@ix.netcom.com) To: Glass list \ Internet: (glass@bungi.com) Subject: Re: another lamp question Hello all! I'm about to start my first lamp project and am seeking advice. My teacher suggests using a Worden pattern no larger than 16 inches. Does anyone have a favorite pattern .. one you thought was particularly good for a beginner? Is there an upper limit of pieces for a first project From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 01:58:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thCoY-00002Za; Tue, 30 Jan 96 01:57 PST X-Path: sage.wt.com.au!rdeint From: Rexort International P/L -- HIGLASS To: glass@bungi.com Subject: HIGLASS - Contact Info Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:54:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199601310154.RAA29369@sage.wt.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I received a number of request to provide more information about HIGLASS. HIGLASS is manufacturer of handmade coloured art glass using the very best silica sand and minerals from Western Australia. We are located in Perth, Western Australia. Kardinya is about 15km from the Perth city centre and about 8km from Fremantle. 3 different ranges are available: Usage "CLASSIC" Leadlight / Stained Glass "90" Fusing, compatible to other "90" glasses GIN Fusing, compatible to Clear Float (window glass) We also manufacture fused glass panels and other fused glassware to order. Fusing- and Slumping-Services are available to our clients. For more detailed information (via email or paper brochure) contact: HIGLASS Attn: Harald Reiss 8 Parkinson Lane Kardinya, WA 6163 AUSTRALIA Phone: (++61) (9) 314 6868 Fax: (++61) (9) 314 1386 Email: rdeint@wt.com.au Harald. ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 07:28:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thHwH-0000REa; Tue, 30 Jan 96 07:25 PST X-Path: avery.med.virginia.edu!lbl From: "Laurel B. Hall" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Hi Glass Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:25:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601301525.KAA60478@avery.med.Virginia.EDU> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I recently saw a post in which someone mentioned Hi Glass. I'm interested in finding where I might be able to purchase it. I live in Virginia. Can anyone offer a suggestion? Thanks, Laurie ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 08:23:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thIpk-0000vWa; Tue, 30 Jan 96 08:23 PST X-Path: ccinet.ab.ca!kgreenwell From: kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca (Pat Greenwell) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: HIGLASS - Contact Info Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: <9601301619.AA20483@bach.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I received a number of request to provide more information about >HIGLASS. Your glass sounds wonderful. Is there a distributor on this side of the world? Pat kgreenwell@ccinet.ab.ca Pat Greenwell Ponoka,Alberta,Canada ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 14:11:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thOFq-000013a; Tue, 30 Jan 96 14:10 PST X-Path: nethawk.com!1091 From: 1091@nethawk.com (Sue Eiszler) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Templates Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I've just recently bought some mylar which I thought I'd use for those >times when I'll be making quite a few of a particular pattern. Haven't >tried it yet, though. I'll let you know. > Barbara I have just been experimenting with using clear contact paper on both sides of the pattern. Then I use rubber cement to stick the pattern pieces on the glass. It does take a while for the glue to dry so that the pattern doesn't shift on the glass when you begin to cut. But I have been able to reuse the pattern pieces a number of times. Beats all that cutting out. The pattern pieces seem to survive the grinding process quite well too. I just let them air dry when done. Does anyone know if using contact paper is cheaper than using mylar or visa versa? How does the mylar work? Sue 1091@nethawk.com ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 15:03:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thP3p-0000RCa; Tue, 30 Jan 96 15:02 PST X-Path: macnet.com!jhendershott From: jhendershott@macnet.com (Janie Hendershott) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 14:59:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199601302259.OAA21885@jack.macnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Subscribe jhendershott@macnet.com ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 16:17:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thQE3-0000G9a; Tue, 30 Jan 96 16:16 PST X-Path: dialnet.net!kwood From: Ken Wood To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Templates Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 18:16:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1996Jan30.121651.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue Eiszler wrote: > > >I've just recently bought some mylar which I thought I'd use for those > >times when I'll be making quite a few of a particular pattern. Haven't > >tried it yet, though. I'll let you know. > > Barbara > > I have just been experimenting with using clear contact paper on both sides > of the pattern. Then I use rubber cement to stick the pattern pieces on > the glass. It does take a while for the glue to dry so that the pattern > doesn't shift on the glass when you begin to cut. But I have been able to > reuse the pattern pieces a number of times. Beats all that cutting out. > The pattern pieces seem to survive the grinding process quite well too. I > just let them air dry when done. > > Does anyone know if using contact paper is cheaper than using mylar or visa > versa? How does the mylar work? > > Sue > 1091@nethawk.com > I have had some success using clear "Contact" paper on both sides of my template and using a glue stick to temporarily hold the template to the glass. It only takes a little spot of the glue stick. Ken ---- To request a change in your subscription, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 05:29:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thcXu-0000Msa; Wed, 31 Jan 96 05:25 PST X-Path: sage.wt.com.au!rdeint From: Rexort International P/L -- HIGLASS To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: HIGLASS - Contact Info Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:19:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199602010219.SAA18678@sage.wt.com.au> References: <<9601301619.AA20483@bach.ccinet.ab.ca>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Pat > >I received a number of request to provide more information about > >HIGLASS. > Your glass sounds wonderful. Is there a distributor on this side of the world? > Pat Unfortunately we have not yet appointed distributors on your side of the world, but we are more than happy to supply ex factory direct from down under. Harald. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 05:29:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thcYO-0000MBa; Wed, 31 Jan 96 05:26 PST X-Path: sage.wt.com.au!rdeint From: Rexort International P/L -- HIGLASS To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Hi Glass Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:16:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199602010216.SAA18668@sage.wt.com.au> References: <<199601301525.KAA60478@avery.med.Virginia.EDU>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Hi, I recently saw a post in which someone mentioned Hi Glass. > I'm interested in finding where I might be able to purchase > it. I live in Virginia. Can anyone offer a suggestion? > Thanks, Laurie Contact info is: HIGLASS 8 Parkinson Lane Kardinya, WA 6163 AUSTRALIA Phone: (++61) (9) 314 6868 Fax: (++61) (9) 314 1386 Email: rdeint@wt.com.au Regards, Harald ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 06:25:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thdRZ-0000aMa; Wed, 31 Jan 96 06:23 PST X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Templates Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:23:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199601311423.JAA23348@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Sue Eiszler wrote: >> >> >I've just recently bought some mylar which I thought I'd use for those >> >times when I'll be making quite a few of a particular pattern. Haven't >> >tried it yet, though. I'll let you know. >> > Barbara >> >> I have just been experimenting with using clear contact paper on both sides >> of the pattern. Then I use rubber cement to stick the pattern pieces on >> the glass. It does take a while for the glue to dry so that the pattern >> doesn't shift on the glass when you begin to cut. But I have been able to >> reuse the pattern pieces a number of times. Beats all that cutting out. >> The pattern pieces seem to survive the grinding process quite well too. I >> just let them air dry when done. In the 10 years I have been working with glass, I have personally found that working with mylar is easier. I actually use vellum which is a much heavier stock and withstands scoring and water. I have tried rubber cement but don't like it very much because it takes a while to dry and also leaves a bit of a residue that needs to be removed later. Instead I use 2-sided tape on the back of the template. Contact paper works but it looses its adhesion after just a couple uses so another template would have to be cut out. With the vellum, I just add another strip of tape. Stephanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 06:39:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0thdeb-0000Kma; Wed, 31 Jan 96 06:36 PST X-Path: cae.wisc.edu!ranjani From: Ranjani Ramamurthy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Please unsubscribe.. Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 8:36:28 CST Message-ID: <199601311436.IAA21380@snake-1.cae.wisc.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Please remove me ( ranjani@cae.wisc.edu) from this mailing list. Thanks Ranjani -- Ranjani Ramamurthy ranjani@cae.wisc.edu "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." -- Calvin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass