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Hi everyone...
Just picked up my last project again....it's been hot working up
in the loft but I had to start tacking my lampshade.  I'm
finally at the soldering stage and was wondering if anyone had any
solutions to my problem.  The panels (8) are rounded on the bottom
with a jewel on the very bottom.  The method I was going to use 
consisted of taping the panels and then lifting to join the last two
together.  The problems I'm worried about is ,,....will the jewels be
able to support the lamp?.....they won't break off?
Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

Glenna

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> together.  The problems I'm worried about is ,,....will the jewels be
> able to support the lamp?.....they won't break off?
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!


Trylaying down some old towels and then taking some others and making a cone
shape and when you pull the pieces up together try to use the towels to help
support it rather than having the jewels support the lamp.  Tack it and then
use a box to do the rest of the soldering.

It's a thought.

Lisa


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How about getting some styrofoam and hollowing out holes for the jewels
to sit in?  Just a thought (I've never tried it).
Our move is going well.  Have a cutting and grinding table set up, moved
most of the glass successfully, move in a soldering table today, then
start unpacking and arranging.  Should be working on those new
suncatchers by Monday!

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Glenna says:
>.will the jewels be able to support the
> lamp?.....they won't break off? 


Hmmm, I guess it depends on the shape of the jewels and how they fit
into the pattern, and also on how large and heavy the lamp is.  If you
have a round jewel which is set into the panel so that about 1/2 of the
circumference has been soldered on both sides of the panel, and the
lampshade is of average table lamp proportions, I don't think you would
have a problem.  If it's a weighty lamp with oval jewels fastened more
or less only at the tip of the jewel, I would consider treating the
jewels like bridging pieces:  add them after the main body of the lamp
has been soldered together.  I'll ask this question on one of the bbs
I'm on and let you know if someone else can offer a bright idea.  Good
luck.  Let us know how it works out!  [Leave it to Howard to be basking
in the sunshine on vacation somewhere when he's NEEDED!  :-)]  Peggy


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[In the message entitled "Re: Lampshade" on Aug  4, 19:53, PEGGY M PALM writes:]
> Glenna says:
> >.will the jewels be able to support the
> > lamp?.....they won't break off? 
> 
> Hmmm, I guess it depends on the shape of the jewels and how they fit
> into the pattern, and also on how large and heavy the lamp is.  If you
> have a round jewel which is set into the panel so that about 1/2 of the
> circumference has been soldered on both sides of the panel, and the
> lampshade is of average table lamp proportions, I don't think you would
> have a problem.  If it's a weighty lamp with oval jewels fastened more
> or less only at the tip of the jewel, I would consider treating the
> jewels like bridging pieces:  add them after the main body of the lamp
> has been soldered together.  I'll ask this question on one of the bbs
> I'm on and let you know if someone else can offer a bright idea.  Good
> luck.  Let us know how it works out!  [Leave it to Howard to be basking
> in the sunshine on vacation somewhere when he's NEEDED!  :-)]  Peggy

Thanks Peggy

I have to solder the backs of the panel yet and then I'm scheduled to
take a lamp making course on Aug. 14 (6 weeks)  I may just wait and
see the technique they show and then go from there.
I think the jewels may be ok.....They are round and inset about 1/2 the
way into the panel.  The lamp is not too big.  I let you know the
progress.


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I haven't corresponded to much on the mailing list, but have done a lot 
of reading of all of your messages.

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me a wholesale company that has different
filigrees for sale that I could order through the mail.

I've had a lot of requests for angels from friends.  Does anyone have
any great patterns?  I'm looking for a pattern of an angel that would
stand (3-D), and I tend to like simple designs.  Let me know what
you might have or a book you might recommend.

Barbara
(Holland, MI)

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[In the message entitled "filigrees" on Aug  9, 11:04, MULLER%ADMIN@HOPE.CIT.HOPE.EDU writes:]
> I'm wondering if anyone can tell me a wholesale company that has different
> filigrees for sale that I could order through the mail.
> 
> I've had a lot of requests for angels from friends.  Does anyone have
> any great patterns?  I'm looking for a pattern of an angel that would
> stand (3-D), and I tend to like simple designs.  Let me know what
> you might have or a book you might recommend.


Hi Barbara

The following wholesale companies I have tried,...They should both have
filigrees as well as angel patterns.  Good Luck

Delphi Stained Glass 
2116 E Michigan Ave
Lansing, MI 48912
Ph 1-800-248-2048

Warner Crivellaro
1855 Weaversville Road
Allentown, Pennsylvania 18103
Ph. 1-800-523-4242

Hope this helps.

Glenna

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        Reply to:   RE>filigrees

Barbara, I have an angel pattern that is pretty easy.  I'm somewhat of a
beginner, so it is not a complex piece, but makes up nicely.  It does not
have a filigree for wings, but I did purchase some scalloped foil which added
a nice touch to the wings and hem of skirt.  If you are interested I'll bring
it in to work and xerox for you. Please supply your address if you want me to
send it.

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I haven't corresponded to much on the mailing list, but have done a lot 
of reading of all of your messages.

I'm wondering if anyone can tell me a wholesale company that has different
filigrees for sale that I could order through the mail.

I've had a lot of requests for angels from friends.  Does anyone have
any great patterns?  I'm looking for a pattern of an angel that would
stand (3-D), and I tend to like simple designs.  Let me know what
you might have or a book you might recommend.

Barbara
(Holland, MI)



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Barbara,
Warner Crivellaro has all kinds of filigree, and also a wide variety of
supplies for making angels.  Prices vary with size of order.  I have a
list of wholesalers that I can email, but I don't order enough to know
much about most of them.  Ed Hoys is the supplier for a local business,
and seems very reliable and quick.

Warner Crivellaro   
1855 Weaversville Rd
Allentown, PA 18103
800-523-4242

Ed Hoys  - (wholesale)                                       
1620 Fronteac Rd.                                         
Naperville, IL 60563-1762                                 
1-800-323-5668 

As for angels in books, I haven't made any, but have seen them mostly
in Christmas theme books:  A Majestic Christmas (Donna Schulze) and
Dimensions of Christmas (Terry Nudson) are 2 that list angel projects. 
Hope this is of help.  Let me know if you want the wholesale list also.
  Peggy

> I'm wondering if anyone can tell me a wholesale company that has
different
> filigrees for sale that I could order through the mail.
> 
> I've had a lot of requests for angels from friends.  Does anyone have
any
> great patterns?  I'm looking for a pattern of an angel that would
stand
> (3-D), and I tend to like simple designs.  Let me know what you might
have
> or a book you might recommend.



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Guess who is back..... lots of travel stories for later. 120... or
40c heat was real common. 
To Glenna, pull the lamp up gingerly, put it up side down in a cottage
cheese container(low fat) and tack solder the inside seams first, being
sure to cross the joining pieces well. That should be enough to allow the
shade to be handled carefully. MUCH MUCH more later if anyone gives a
whit. Let me know...enjoy
P S sorry f this info is un-timely and or late.

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substitute roasting for basking....So far no major corrections for your
suggestions on the jewels, Peggy.

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Hey Howard!

Welcome back!  

> substitute roasting for basking....
So, did you end up well-done, or merely medium rare?  (We all know what
a rare person you are to begin with!)  How was the trip?

As for the jewels, thanks for the validation.   Good to have you back
on line.   Peggy


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I have been often accused of being half-baked.... If you have any
desire to punish yourself for past, present or future posts that
you burdened others with, let me know and I will relate to you
(personally) the vissitudes of our trip. (To Peggy)
All told it was a GOOD trip and many personal things that does not
come with a pre-planned (dirty word) tour....later...enjoy

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Just to let people know that the voting results for the creation of the
rec.crafts.glass are out: the proposal has suceeded comfortably
(307 for, 12 against), and so the group should be created towards
the end of this week.

Hopefully, the new newsgroup and the mailing list will coexist happily,
and the newsgroup should make it easier for beginners to find the
rest of us :-).
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AS I have mentioned,   I've been moving, but I had most of my workshop
moved and set up and had to get some work done, so started cutting.
I draw my patterns on glass with a Sharpie.  I had to cut some dark
blue cathedral and could not see the lines well.  No Lightbox...
Here's a cheap and easy solution.  I took an old plastic frame, one
of those box like things that have inch thick sidewalls and put the glass
on that.  Adjusted light to near edge of table.  (I also have overhead
lights.) It worked wonderfully.  Eventually the frame will scratch, but
I picked it up at a garage sale  for 50cents.  Also held  up well to the
cutting pressure.

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To Dorothy....a quickie....different color sharpies reflect better
on OwFVrtdk)_aain colors. 
on certain colors....The worst color sharpie to use is black. Try 
blue on purple and dark colors. I like and use the ultra or micro-
fine ones. The red ones are also quite versatile for reflecting.
later...enjoy

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subscribe glass email

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Please cancel my subscription to this group.  Thanks.

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[In the message entitled "Please cancel" on Aug 15, 21:47, TereziB@aol.com writes:]
> Please cancel my subscription to this group.  Thanks.

You have been removed.

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Was it here that someone was asking for a 3-D angel pattern.  I found one in
the Sept 15, 1989 SCORE -- the December pattern.  It's an angel holding
a rainbow.  I can't afford to copy and mail to all of you, so check with
you local distributors and ask if they keep the old patterns on file.
Else contact me at hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu and we'll arrange
something.  (SCORE is a Spectrum publication, where those monthly
patterns come from, for those who don't know.)
Apologies if this is a repeat message.  My mailer froze as I was messaging!

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From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin)
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Posted my first message to the newsgroup.
Also, Hello, is anyone out there...enjoy

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[In the message entitled "I found the newsgroup(with my son's help)" on Aug 18, 10:09, Elaine Lea Rubin writes:]
> 
> Posted my first message to the newsgroup.
> Also, Hello, is anyone out there...enjoy

Hello,...I'm here.  Everyone's out enjoying the great weather I think.
I'm headed for the beach tomorrow.



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From: "Robert M. Crane" <rcrane@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca>
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Subject: BEVEL GRAPHICS
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 20:21:45 -0230 (NDT)
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IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A COPY OF 3.5" DISKS ON THE TOPIC OF BEVEL 
GRAPHICS- FOR AN IBM COMPUTER . THE SET CONSISTS OF NINE DISKS. I WOULD 
BE INTERESTED IN BUYING A USED SET OR IF ANYONE COULD TELL ME THE SOURCE 
SO THAT I MAY ORDER A NEW SET, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. ( I WOULD 
APPRECIATE KNOWING THE PRICE ALSO ) THANKS
ROBERT CRANE
ST. PHILLIPS
NFLD. CANADA

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Hi Howard -
Saw your post on the new internet newsgroup.  I think you should do the
FAQ for lampmaking also.  The ones I've seen have simply been in Q and
A format, addressing the questions most beginners ask.  I suspect you
can come up with some you've heard a few times, no?  The first one I
had was "how much SG  experience do I need to have before trying a
Tiffany lamp?".  On other boards and lists, the originator sometimes
posts a "trial" version to the group to see if there's anything to be
added.  Usually, they add (long) to the subject to warn those who have
to pay by the byte!  

Should all of us on this list submit questions for you to answer?  

Whatever happened to your promised vacation stories?  I've been coping
with a basement flood and an invasion of snakes (yech!) and haven't
spent much time with the computer of late.		Peggy


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> From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Mon Aug 14 08:11 CDT 1995
> X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject:      lightbox
> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com
> Content-Type> : > text> 
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> 
> AS I have mentioned,   I've been moving, but I had most of my workshop
> moved and set up and had to get some work done, so started cutting.
> I draw my patterns on glass with a Sharpie.  I had to cut some dark
> blue cathedral and could not see the lines well.  No Lightbox...
> Here's a cheap and easy solution.  I took an old plastic frame, one
> of those box like things that have inch thick sidewalls and put the glass
> on that.  Adjusted light to near edge of table.  (I also have overhead
> lights.) It worked wonderfully.  Eventually the frame will scratch, but
> I picked it up at a garage sale  for 50cents.  Also held  up well to the
> cutting pressure.
>

I also use a marker to draw patterns on glass -- on dark glass,
I use a white marker... I'm at my *real* job now, and can't remember the
brand of marker (and can't get to my workbench to give you more info)
but got it at my local stained glass supply store.  It is
a pen with that has a colored fluid in the barrel and a tough plastic 
point.  As you apply downward pressure on the pen, the colored fluid 
comes out around the point.  The pens come in dark or light colors. 

Beth Paxton         
CAD Systems Support             Advanced Micro Devices
CAD Technology & Systems        5204 E. Ben White Blvd.  M/S 553
                                Austin, TX 78741
email:beth.paxton@AMD.COM       voice:512-602-2267      fax:512-602-5156
 

> --
> Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan  (203) 679-2940  FAX (203) 679-4046
> UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003
> HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu
> 
> ***Summertime: it's vacation time!***
> 

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My wife is interested in beginning a hobby working with stained glass.

You were referred to my by Howard Rubin as potentially having a list of 
suppliers of tools and supplies who do not require credentials for 
re-sale.

We would appreciate any information you may have.  Thanks in 
advance for the help.

Steve Ware
-------------------------------------
Name: Stephen F. Ware
E-mail: sfware@bright.net            
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Don't squat with yur spurs on!!

NRA Life, NAHC Life, IHMSA 33287


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"IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A COPY OF 3.5" DISKS ON THE TOPIC OF BEVEL 
GRAPHICS- FOR AN IBM COMPUTER . THE SET CONSISTS OF NINE DISKS. "

Can you explain what this is???

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[In the message entitled "Stained Glass Supplies" on Aug 21, 11:06, sfware@bright.net writes:]
> My wife is interested in beginning a hobby working with stained glass.
> 
> You were referred to my by Howard Rubin as potentially having a list of 
> suppliers of tools and supplies who do not require credentials for 
> re-sale.
> 
> We would appreciate any information you may have.  Thanks in 
> advance for the help.

Hi Steve:

The file of suppliers (suppliers.txt) as well as all of the back issues
of the stained glass mailing list are available from anonymous ftp to
daver.bungi.com, in the pub/glass directory.

Enjoy

Glenna

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...hey, I want to read the new glass newsgroup too....
have been cruising the usenet, but have not found it. Is it under
rec.crafts.glassworking?  Do I need to contact my Sys.Admin. to
provide access?? Or should I just be patient and wait a few more days?
Thanks for any info you may have.  UrselH, Northern Florida.
Happy Soldering!


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Hello, Glenna and all the others....Howard asking a question.
When I make up a faq list, what happens to it, who makes updates,
where it is stored, how is it accessed, how is it updated, are there
any guide-lines, who will edit and put it in order????? As for the text
that I can do...it is the rest of the "stuff" that I do not know.
enjoy

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On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Ursel Howland wrote:

> 
> 
> ...hey, I want to read the new glass newsgroup too....
> have been cruising the usenet, but have not found it. Is it under
> rec.crafts.glassworking?  Do I need to contact my Sys.Admin. to
> provide access?? Or should I just be patient and wait a few more days?
> Thanks for any info you may have.  UrselH, Northern Florida.
> Happy Soldering!
> 
> 
> -- 
> e
> 
I too haven't found it via my Internet Provider. I guess they just aren't 
up to speed!!

Meir


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From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin)
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Hi Ursel, It is a scary time when I can offer computer advice,
Try rec.crafts.glass    or rec.crafts.misc to see if it is
on the newsgroups. My server does not let me post to the rec.
groups, but my son set up a limited use for me through his teleport
account for 30hrs per month, so i have another set of stuff to wade
through read newsgroups and post. My server is osl.or.gov and must be
for specific groups and to set up for posting...only $75.00 per year
with unlimited time and it is a local call,too. I am very very
slowly learning the vernacular, argot, cant, and other terminology
that will make me dangerous, and eventually maybe even able to do 
something with it...later

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subscribe
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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 17:48:02 -0230 (NDT)
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when working with beveled glass, you may use your computer to design a 
window. ( there in comes the idea of beveled glass designs designed for 
the computer. I hope that this explains what I am looking for. If you 
need further clarification please do not nesitate.

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"when working with beveled glass, you may use your computer to design a 
window. ( there in comes the idea of beveled glass designs designed for 
the computer"

I had surmised that part.  But I didn't know there was a commercial product
out there.   That is what I wanted explanation of.  I guess I'll just monitor
the mailing list.

I've been looking for a 3D design program to do this very thing with
lampshades (design my own patterns).  Do you have any recommendations on
this?  Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:10:56 +0000 (GMT)
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> 
> 
> 
> Hello, Glenna and all the others....Howard asking a question.
> When I make up a faq list, what happens to it, who makes updates,
> where it is stored, how is it accessed, how is it updated, are there
> any guide-lines, who will edit and put it in order????? As for the text
> that I can do...it is the rest of the "stuff" that I do not know.

OK, here's an attempt at an FAQ FAQ :-)

Q: What's an FAQ?
A: A list of frequently asked questions and answers, and other useful
    information.

Q: What's the format?
A: Usually, for newsgroups, it's a plain text file; big ones may be done
    in such a way that people can easily skip to the section they want
    to find, with a contents list at the front. Very big ones may be
    split into several parts.

Q: Who updates it?
A: Whoever's maintaining it, which is usually one person. They can either
    write the whole thing themselves, edit together contributions from
    other people, or anything in between.

Q: How do people get to see it?
A: The maintainer posts it to the newsgroup, in the same way as any
    other newsgroup article, on a regular basis - the idea is that
    any new readers who join the newsgroup will have a reasonable
    chance of seeing it. How often to post it depends on several
    factors, but typical intervals range from weekly to monthly.

Q: Why can't you just post it once?
A: Because news systems regularly delete ("expire") old articles; with
    new news articles running at several (12-15 or more?) megabytes worth
    per day, nobody can afford to keep things permanently. Typical expire
    times can be anything between a few days to a month or so.

Q: Doesn't that mean that some sites would still have the old copy when
    the new one is posted?
A:  Yes. But you can add a line to the message headers to specify when
    the message should expire - which probably won't make it survive
    longer on sites with short expire times, but may help on sites
    with longer times.

Q: Is there any other place to find FAQs?
A:  Yes. There are copies of a lot of FAQs available by ftp from rtfm.mit.edu;
    I'm not totally sure how they get there, but I suspect most of the ones
    that appear in the news.answers newsgroup end up there. news.answers is
    a moderated group just for FAQs; I think they may have some guidelines
    for the recommended FAQ structure. [in these cases, the FAQ article is
    usually crossposted to the original newsgroup and news.answers].

Q: What's crossposting?
A:  Basically, it's a way of making the same message appear in more
    than one newsgroup; the advantage is that only one copy gets sent
    around the net instead of one per group, and that once a user
    has read the article in one group, it can be marked as read by that
    user in the other groups as well. This reduces comms costs, and
    is nicer for the user as well.


Have a look in news.answers for examples of FAQs, and maybe some guidelines
too.
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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:45:28 -0230 (NDT)
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I have a book by Randolph Raum called "Infinity Bevel Systems" in which 
he uses several groups of bevels to produce windows. In the introduction, 
he describes how to use 'designer paks' which are multiple sheets of 
translucent matte vinyl graphich of the entire Infinity Line. This same 
information is available on computer disksso that programs such as Corel 
Draw may be used to aid in the design of windows. Another method is to 
scan the designs in books, but this is often times illegal. But there are 
disks available and I was wondering if anyone knew the source and the 
price. 
Thanks for your interest.

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Ursel here, thanks for the responses. It's good to know that I'm not
the only one that's computer-challenged :-)
Rea2ead in rec.crafs.misc today that Glass Crafter's is setting up a web
page!! Now if I just had a graphics-capable server to look at all that
georgeous glass out there....
Just started on my first project after a long hot summer: A center
panel in the built-in closets (cherry, husband is building them) in
the spare room. A good place to "practice", before tackling the highly
visible kitchen and dining room.  Howard, I have decided on foil, just
can't warm up to came just yet.  In case anyone is interested, the
theme in the room is seashells by the seashore. I know, I know, I'm
corny, but I **like** shells, so the panel is -- guess what --. Plan
to add glass globs and polished stones here and there.  But have to
bite the bullet and buy fitting glass locally @ full packed retail,
but am looking fkinging for specific colors an which is hard to do via
mail order.  Does it pay to spend the $$ on sample sets?  Seems to me,
the pieces are so small, you wouldn't get a good idea on the colors,
especially multi-opaques, etc. And for the expenditure I could buy
quite a bit at my local retailer. 
Happy soldering! UrselH in Northern Florida.


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Please remove my name from this mailing list ... Thank you!

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Ursel, Howard,here In my opinion, samples of handmade glass do
not show enough mix to be accurate. If you keep a piece of whatever
you work withj nad label it, eventually you will have a fairly 
good representation of glass. I only have a Spectrum set and it for my studentsd to order from, so I do not have to drag pieces to class. 
As for your Sea shore theme, look into getting a split or half
Nautilus shell...a good start and easy to work with....watch when
turning window over due to height of shell.
Later for more...

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Sorry Peggy, kind lost it ....We have had company, my wife's inlaws.
What kind of snakes????never met a snake I did not like-can not say that
about people. 
I have been working on a q&a list, but not ready for public consumption
yet. 
I will probably micro-size our vaction stories to a few thousand
words, and will e-mail you directly, however i will probably keep it
in a word program for further punishment for those who request it.
Getting late...later

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Check out rec.crafts.glass

have it now

DBD

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This is Howard, and I have started a FAQ...I am going to send the
part done to you to see if the format will work with my carrier.
FAQ on lampshade making



Introduction: This FAQ is geared for one who has had some experience in the Copper foil technique and has the basic tools. Specific equipment for lampshade making will be mentioned and recommended as needed.



01. Getting started:

    This FAQ will stress careful and production methods to        produce fine quality work as efficiently as possible.



02. Panel Lamps:

    Description: Any amount of panels (trapeziods or              rectangles) selected by you. Usually comprised of

    trapezoids that are smaller on top than the bottom.

    Mathematics: To design a specific size shade, the formula     is; Pi (3.14) times the diameter (you select) divided by      the amount of panels (you select) in the lamp...

    Example: 3.14x8inches=25.12 divided by 10 panels=2.51

             The bottom of the trapezoid will be about 2.5                 inches. Use the same formula for the top.

    Size: Decide on the height of the shade first. Draw a               verticle line the height you have decided the shade           will be. Decide on the top and bottom diameters.

          Use the above formula to determine the length of              the bottom and top. Center the bottom and top                 lengths on the verticle line. Connect the top

          left side to the bottom left side and do the same             to the right side. With luck, this should be a

          Trapezoid the size you want.



   Glass: The glass generally used for the area that the bulb           lights should be an opalescent type. The trim                 pieces or pieces below the source of light (bulb)             can be either opalescent or a cathedral glass.  





  As you can see, not too good. Best chance is to the newsgroup,and
then on to whoever???
Later...Howard

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> 
> 
> 
> Ursel, Howard,here In my opinion, samples of handmade glass do
> not show enough mix to be accurate. If you keep a piece of whatever
> you work withj nad label it, eventually you will have a fairly 
> good representation of glass.
Thanks for the hint. I'll be able to do this, now that my glass room
is organized and all the scrap glass has been sorted into boxes by
color :-). just have to remember to keep the numbers...

 I only have a Spectrum set and it for my studentsd to order from, so I do not have to drag pieces to class. 
> As for your Sea shore theme, look into getting a split or half
> Nautilus shell...a good start and easy to work with....watch when
> turning window over due to height of shell.
> Later for more..
Another good hint.  Will save it for the next one, this panel is
finished. Do have more questions, though (I do first, then ask... bad
habit which makes things interesting...)
The "picture part" of the panel is 12-1/2" x 21-1/2", it seemed
"floppy" so I reinforced the circumference with 14 gauge copper wire,
then surrounded that with a 1-3/4" glass "frame", w. mitered corners
and only one joint in the center of the long sides. My husband is
going to mount it into the frame of the door and plans to use silicone
(or similar) to stop it from bouncing around. The door is in the upper
portion of the wall unit and will be used very little. Is there
anythiing else I should have done? Do I need to start over???

...Would also like to hear/read about your vacation adventes, love to
travel, if only from an armchair!
TTYL - UrselH in Northern Florida. Happy Soldering!


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Does anyone know if there is information on Stained Glass on
World Wide Web? and if there is, how to access it?   I just
learned that I have the capability to get onto WWW, but have
no idea what's out there.  I did a search, using the word
"glass" and "stained glass", but didn't discover very much.

Howard, the FAQ that you're putting together, is that for
WWW or something else?

This is the only "list" I'm on for stained glass; are there
others that are helpful?

Barbara
Holland, MI

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There are a lot of different search engines on WWW and each will return
different documents.  If yoiu search on Yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com),
you will get links to other searchers, like Lycos and WebCrawler.
Some of the hits will be bogus BTW, but you'll find some stuff.
Some of it is people who have items for sale.

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Hi Ursel, Howard here...To the point, I use double backed glazier's

tape rather than silicone rubber. The tape comes in a few widths, easy

to work with, real sticky on both sides, and hold up very well. Try a glass

shop for it. It is foam and will also cushion the window.

As for bracing, the few larger windows I have done, I have used

welding rod(round) for the brace. I solder a 2" piece of copper wire

into some of the joints across the straightest line in the window (at 1/3s)

of the height. Make a "U" of the wire, lay the rod on the seam,and

twist the wire until it is tight. Solder the wire to the rod.

As for the "trip" writing it up, so as not to put anyone to sleep within the 

first 30 seconds...enjoy




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This is Howard...with my limited computer skills, I do not know
where the FAQ will go. The intent is to post it to rec.crafts.glass
but so far it "ain't" working. If need be it will go to glass@
and someone with skill can send it on to...?????
later

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> Does anyone know if there is information on Stained Glass on
> World Wide Web? and if there is, how to access it?   I just
> learned that I have the capability to get onto WWW, but have
> no idea what's out there.  I did a search, using the word
> "glass" and "stained glass", but didn't discover very much.
	Delphi has a site.  http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass
	It was OK but nothing spectacular.  I'm going there tomorrow and 
will make several suggestions to them like downloadable patterns, etc.
	I imagine they have it linked to other spots but haven't had the 
time to check further. 
	I just finished another window and installed it.  It looks terrific 
BUT....
	As some of you know I do mainly lead came work.  This is the 
first time I have had anything sag when being installed.  It is a 13X35 
window (13 vertical) with a zinc border.  I used wooden match sticks as a 
shim where it was sagging but I am worried that in time the glass may 
crack, etc.  Any ideas why it happened or if I should install it 
differently?

Sue
eiszler@cps.cmich.edu


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Hi...
So far, the best place for information on glass...of any kind, is the
newsgroup rec.crafts.glass.  We're having a wonderful time over there!!!!
Join in!
Sue

Sue Stewart
A Touch of Glass
Where Glass is Class!



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My site supposedly has it available, but NOTHING has been received
(rec.crafts.glass).  In fact, it listed messages 3 to 0 !

Dorothy

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please cancel my name from the mailing list.  thanks!!!

