From owner-glass Sun Jul 2 15:56:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sSXwF-00004pa; Sun, 2 Jul 95 15:56 PDT X-Path: llc.org!kevans From: kevans@LLC.org (K.-Benoit Evans) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Canadian suppliers Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 22:56:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199507022252.SAA04260@clic1.qbc.clic.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >From: au179@freenet.carleton.ca (Duane Hess) >Subject: Re: Canadian suppliers >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:08:52 -0400 > >You can try >The Glass Place >50 Ste-Anne Pointe-Claire >Quebec H9S 4P8 >Toll Free 1-800-363-7855 >They put a fairly good catalogue with several updates throughout the year with >any specials, etc. > Thanks for the tip. They sent me a 150+ page catalogue and their store is only 300km from here. That's good for shipping and not too far to visit. Regards, Benoit From owner-glass Mon Jul 3 22:23:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sT0Rz-00003Fa; Mon, 3 Jul 95 22:23 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!daviscm From: daviscm@ix.netcom.com (ROSE DAVIS ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: love stained glass Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <199507040521.WAA28456@ix7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I understand this is an address for stained glass lovers. I am currently making a tiffany reproduction of the wisteria lamp. Is there anybody who wants to chat? Cookie daviscm@ix.netcom.com From owner-glass Tue Jul 4 07:56:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sT9Ns-0000Rca; Tue, 4 Jul 95 07:55 PDT X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!cutler From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: love stained glass Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 10:55:20 EDT Message-ID: <1995Jul4.145520.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sure, Cookie, people on this list love to chat about stained glass, mostly. What sort of form are you using to make your lamp? Where do you get your supplies? Is this a hobby? Or do you attempt to sell your work? For me it is a hobby, but I don't mind selling a piece when I can. Lamps are fun, but so are boxes (which I have more trouble with than lamps) My house is gradfually filling up with stained glass stuff. I will need to sell some of it eventually. Welcome to the list. From owner-glass Tue Jul 4 11:26:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTCfi-00003Oa; Tue, 4 Jul 95 11:26 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Hello out there... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:26:50 -0700 Message-ID: <199507041826.AA09404@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just a reminder, I will be signing off next Tuesday, July 11, and returning to the list around August 12. If someone would please send me the command to sign off, and how to get back on, it would save me from hunting to find them. Some useage for the glass grindings in the bottom of your grinders... If you do or know a potter, it makes an interesting glaze, minor problem though, it tends to give a under-glaze crackle finish, the incompatibility of the dis-simular glasses. more later...enjoy -- From owner-glass Tue Jul 4 13:55:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTF0H-0000bGa; Tue, 4 Jul 95 13:55 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Hello out there... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 95 16:55:20 18000 Message-ID: <199507042055.QAA10803@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<199507041826.AA09404@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > > Just a reminder, I will be signing off next Tuesday, July 11, and > returning to the list around August 12. If someone would please send > me the command to sign off, and how to get back on, it would save me > from hunting to find them. > Some useage for the glass grindings in the bottom of your grinders... > If you do or know a potter, it makes an interesting glaze, minor > problem though, it tends to give a under-glaze crackle finish, the > incompatibility of the dis-simular glasses. more later...enjoy Hi Howard, UrselH here, thanks for that bit of info. A while back I bought an old kiln w. 6 elements and kiln sitter, it's a nice size, abt. 24 in. diam., but.... I have no idea how to do pottery!!! Came across the stained glass since, which gave me a lot to learn - an ongoing process - but I would like to combine the two, that's why I found your info so interesting. Do you know if I could slump or fuse in this large kiln? I do have platforms for inside, perhaps I could raise the work pieces I want to fuse and use just the upper elements???? Anyway, this does not require an immediate response, since I am a while away from experimenting with **that**!! First I have to experiment with my tile-and-glass kitchen wall project. Btw., while helping my husband laminate some countertops for my new glass studio :-)))), I read on the contact cement can that you could use it to laminate glass as well. Will try a sample and let the glass list now the results. --- Hey, Cookie, welcome to the list! You picked the right spot. Howard here is our resident lamp expert - and does he know stuff!!! - I love to make glass boxes and windchimes! - Happy soldering! -- e From owner-glass Tue Jul 4 15:05:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTG5m-0000Fra; Tue, 4 Jul 95 15:05 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: love stained glass Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 19:00:09 AST Message-ID: <9504190009.83C6> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Jul 1995 22:21:55 -0700, daviscm@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >I understand this is an address for stained glass lovers. I am currently >making a tiffany reproduction of the wisteria lamp. Is there anybody who >wants to chat? > Hi Cookie!! Welcome to the list. I'm sure you will find a great gang of people on this list. Very friendly, and helpful. I'm sure you will find all the help you need with this group. Wayne From owner-glass Tue Jul 4 15:33:26 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTGW6-0000T0a; Tue, 4 Jul 95 15:32 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Hello out there... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:33:12 -0700 Message-ID: <199507042233.AA17261@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Ursel...yes your kiln should work. Kiln specifically for glas usually have more control for temps rather than a sitter. There are many books available for hot glass and more and more info is available. One surety is that the glaasses must be compatable, ie expansion and contraction. Most glass has a c of e number nad it is a very narrow range of numbers. I am not skilled enough to give out flawless info. so get a book or two and read. Bullseye is generally compatible with it self and some of the dichroics work well with it. Most of the standard cathedrals of ecah co is ok to be used with others of the same co. I had a few weeks of intensive trasining and hang around with a very very skilled hot glass worker, and to this day still have very little interest in hot glass. Books Books Books, as most technology iis well documented. Enjoy -- From owner-glass Wed Jul 5 06:28:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTUBz-00002Qa; Wed, 5 Jul 95 06:08 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: love stained glass Date: Wed, 05 Jul 95 08:42:42 EDT Message-ID: <950705.084640.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199507040521.WAA28456@ix7.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Cookie, love to chat, but mangled my finger tips this weekend making Christmas ornaments for a craft shop near by. (I usually don't cut myself, but somehow managed the left thumb and right index finger. The last bnadages I bought were really great, though. Stayed right on and didn't shred. And we're all tough people, right ? No fainting at the sight of blood.) Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (203) 679-2940 FAX (203) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu From owner-glass Wed Jul 5 09:31:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTXLa-0000gVa; Wed, 5 Jul 95 09:30 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: love stained glass Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:31:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199507051631.AA04366@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bandages.....ugh! In my shop are no implements to staunch the flow of body fluids. IMHO and my explanation to my students is...if you keep bandages handy, you are conceding to being cut...however the shops at the schools do have first aid kits and I DO point them out to my classes. Over the years I have drawn blood only twice that have left scars, both were poor practices of storing glass(points out) and my being tired and in a hurry. I walk around my (unswept) shop in bare or stocking feet often, and yet to have picked up any memorable chips. To all glass workers...with care...brute force does not work...be smarter than a sheet of glass...and do remember it is only glass...made to be be broken..sometimes even where you want it to....later enjoy -- From owner-glass Wed Jul 5 17:51:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTf9r-0000Tqa; Wed, 5 Jul 95 17:51 PDT X-Path: camadm.Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: flux Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 10:30:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1995Jul5.23016.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I,m finally on the last leg of my leaded panel, I have been told that you should wash off the flux as soon as possible when soldering, my question is when soldering a panel that is 17" by 32" and only having the time to solder part of the panel what is the best way to wash off the flux? Can I just wipe it off with a damp rag, or does it need to be washed really well? Donna!!! Glass alas! From owner-glass Wed Jul 5 18:28:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTfjy-0000E9a; Wed, 5 Jul 95 18:28 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: flux Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:29:11 -0700 Message-ID: <199507060129.AA03395@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What kind of flux, copper foil or came? enjoy -- From owner-glass Wed Jul 5 18:38:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTfsw-0000Zta; Wed, 5 Jul 95 18:37 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: body parts Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995Jul5.173734.0> References: <<199507060129.AA03395@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I just started another panel for my boss who is a physical therapist. I have been making 'body parts' from the anatomy pattern book for him for birthday and Christmas presents. Tonight I started on the elbow. He likes them so much that when I finish those in the book, he wants me to make others based on Gray's Anatomy. The ones that are done are hanging up near some of the exercise equipment. I have been using a combination of lead came and copper foil in the 'parts' and changed from the borders in the pattern book to a consistent frame. They do look pretty neat even if I do say so myself. Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Thu Jul 6 11:20:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sTvEV-0000QPa; Thu, 6 Jul 95 11:01 PDT X-Path: inlink.com!idris From: "Gerald L. Collins" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: flux Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:51:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1995Jul6.75125.0> References: <<1995Jul5.23016.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Jul 1995 cooperd@camadm.Camosun.BC.CA wrote: > Hi everyone, I,m finally on the last leg of my leaded panel, I have been > told that you should wash off the flux as soon as possible when soldering, > my question is when soldering a panel that is 17" by 32" and only having the > time to solder part of the panel what is the best way to wash off the flux? > Can I just wipe it off with a damp rag, or does it need to be washed > really well? Donna!!! Glass alas! > Donna, In my class for lead came we were not told to wash the window at any time. We did tend to wipe of the solder joints but that was more for being able to see the joints better. You should be soldering only at the places where you have joints, not along the whole length like they do in foil. Flux should only be applied where you want the solder to stick. The process of cementing the window will clean it of excess flux, dirt, etc. The cementing makes a difference in the way the lead and solder look, and fill any looseness between the glass and came. (Loose is better than too tight). Jerry From owner-glass Mon Jul 10 18:43:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sVUGG-0000HMa; Mon, 10 Jul 95 18:37 PDT X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: flux Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:47:54 -0400 Message-ID: <199507110147.VAA05550@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi everyone, I,m finally on the last leg of my leaded panel, I have been >told that you should wash off the flux as soon as possible when soldering, >my question is when soldering a panel that is 17" by 32" and only having the >time to solder part of the panel what is the best way to wash off the flux? >Can I just wipe it off with a damp rag, or does it need to be washed >really well? Donna!!! Glass alas! > Hi Donna, this is Carol IMHO, I think the panel needs to be washed (cleaned) really well. Otherwise you might end up having the flux sort of 'etch' the glass. Give it a good dry scrub with baking soda. Its kinda messy but neutralizes the flux. Enjoy!! From owner-glass Mon Jul 10 18:46:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sVUK3-0000Gla; Mon, 10 Jul 95 18:41 PDT X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: body parts Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: <199507110152.VAA05731@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi all, > I just started another panel for my boss who is a physical >therapist. I have been making 'body parts' from the anatomy pattern book >for him for birthday and Christmas presents. Tonight I started on the >elbow. He likes them so much that when I finish those in the book, he >wants me to make others based on Gray's Anatomy. The ones that are done >are hanging up near some of the exercise equipment. > I have been using a combination of lead came and copper foil in >the 'parts' and changed from the borders in the pattern book to a >consistent frame. They do look pretty neat even if I do say so myself. > >Sue >eiszler@cps.cmich.edu > > Hi Sue, this is Carol. He pays I hope? The glass store I frequent in Toronto, Fantasy in Glass Glassworks, has some really bizarre patterns that have been seen in the Spectrum newsletter. One of them is a skeletal hand with a pointing index finger. The oval area around it was done in a black streamer glass i think. Awesome. If you like, I could see if I've got the pattern. t t y l Carol From owner-glass Mon Jul 17 11:50:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sXvDr-0000Jda; Mon, 17 Jul 95 11:48 PDT X-Path: snowfall.colorado.edu!marilyn From: Marilyn Kaminski To: glass@bungi.com Subject: combining lead/foil Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 12:48:44 MDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Another long-time lurker surfaces ... I have a large panel ready to start, and am thinking of doing it in both lead and copper foil. There's a border with straight pieces and bevels that would be lead, and the inner part is a flower design that would be foil. But several questions come to mind since I've never done this: - should the pieces that are adjacent to the border pieces be only partially foiled? (i.e. left alone where they will be leaded)? - how should it be cleaned when done? and should it be cemented? - how should it be patina'ed when done? should I use black patina to have the foil match the lead lines? or is it effective to use copper patina (for instance) even though the lead lines are black? - how do I construct it? one piece at a time, or should I put the inner foil part together and then set that whole thing into the leaded border? And what else haven't I thought of yet? Thanks in advance for any assistance ... it's going to be a wedding present for some old friends so I want it to come out well. I'm sure others in the group have been here before! - marilyn ___________________________________________________________ /\ Marilyn Kaminski /\ /\/ \ ECS System Engineering Liaison /\ / \/\/ \ @ /\ National Snow and Ice Data Center / \/ / \ \|/ \ phone: (303)-492-1477 / @ \ / @ \ \ @\ fax: (303)-492-2468 \|/ / \|/ \ \|/ email: marilyn@snowfall.colorado.edu From owner-glass Sat Jul 22 13:40:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sZlJR-0000UOa; Sat, 22 Jul 95 13:38 PDT X-Path: shani.net!yeelut1 From: MEIR ROTFLEISCH To: GLASS Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 23:32:34 +0300 (WET) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please add my name to the glass list. Also my old address of meir@yeelut.win.net I request you discontinue!! regards meir From owner-glass Tue Jul 25 07:06:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sakb0-0000hHa; Tue, 25 Jul 95 07:04 PDT X-Path: calvin.stemnet.nf.ca!rcrane From: "Robert M. Crane" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:34:11 -0230 (NDT) Message-ID: <1995Jul25.84611.0> References: <<199506210009.AA16796@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a friend who likes to tie salmon flies and he has asked me to display some of them in bevelled glass. Here are my problems :- 1. How can I fix the fly so that it does not move between the glass? I have tried various types of glue but they either can be seen from the opposite side of the glass or it makes the fly look messy. 2. How can I make the sandwich of glass look less bulky or heavy? 3. Any ideas on displaying the flies in a unique fashion? Any and All help would be appreciated- even if you have not tried a technique but think it may work, let me nkow, I am at my wits end. Thanks in anticipation to all of you. From owner-glass Tue Jul 25 08:15:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0salft-0000h1a; Tue, 25 Jul 95 08:13 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:15:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <9507251515.AA20593@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<1995Jul25.84611.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > I have a friend who likes to tie salmon flies and he has asked me to > display some of them in bevelled glass. Here are my problems :- > 1. How can I fix the fly so that it does not move between the glass? I > have tried various types of glue but they either can be seen from the > opposite side of the glass or it makes the fly look messy. > 2. How can I make the sandwich of glass look less bulky or heavy? > 3. Any ideas on displaying the flies in a unique fashion? Hmm. I'd be tempted to suggest considering the use of one of the transparent resins - the sort of thing people use for embedding things in paperweights - either as a filler between the bevels, or - if scratching isn't a problem - maybe *instead* of the bevels. That would let you make the whole thing smaller, since the fly could extend *into* the bits that used to be made of glass. Or maybe you could make sort of a micro-terrarium out of microscope slide glass and fill that with fly-in-resin. -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) From owner-glass Tue Jul 25 15:21:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sasKg-0000kXa; Tue, 25 Jul 95 15:20 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Back From Vacation Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:20:01 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone Just a short note to let you all know I'm back from an extended holiday. Any new subscriptions will be done a.s.a.p. Howard,...I'm kicking myself for not realizing you lived in Portland sooner. We drove through Oregon on our way home. Oh well, perhaps next time. Glenna -- From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 08:31:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbUrY-0000cTa; Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:28 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Call for votes on glass newsgroups Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:30:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <9507271530.AA22787@crosfield.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk People may be interested to know that the process for creating a newsgroup to talk about glass related stuff has reached the voting stage. If you're interested, have a look in the usenet news group called 'news.announce.newgroups' (or 'news.groups', which also carries discussion) for an article called 'CFV: rec.crafts.glass' or similar, which contains voting instructions and the charter for the proposed group. (CFV stands for Call For Votes; RFD is Request For Discussion :-) ). -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 09:00:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbVLb-0000SIa; Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:59 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Back From Vacation Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:45:57 EDT Message-ID: <013.09152720.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: Glenna Rand > Howard,...I'm kicking myself for not realizing you lived in Portland > sooner. We drove through Oregon on our way home. Oh well, perhaps next > time. Glenna, I don't know if you would have found him at home. He went on vacation 7/11 and is due to return in Aug. sometime. Headed for NYC, Fla., and the middle east, among other things mentioned! It's been very quiet on this list lately. Maybe the heat has melted all of us? I haven't been very productive, glass wise. Can't seem to get interested in a hot soldering iron when the temps and humidity are in the 90's... How is everyone else doing? Peggy From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 10:02:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbWJ2-0000f5a; Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:01 PDT X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!cutler From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Back From Vacation Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:00:40 EDT Message-ID: <1995Jul27.17040.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I agree. The summer does slow down production. But I have found a new little gift shop that wants to take some stuff on consignment. The terms: a flat 20% of the selling price. No monthly fee. Anybody got any opinions about this way to sell? Any suggestions about displays, boxes, literature ???? Any ideas will be appreciated. From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 10:17:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbWYK-0000aDa; Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:16 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Back From Vacation Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:16:37 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Back From Vacation" on Jul 27, 10:45, PEGGY M PALM writes:] > I haven't been very productive, glass wise. Can't seem to get > interested in a hot soldering iron when the temps and humidity are in > the 90's... How is everyone else doing? Peggy > Hi Peggy, I have the same problem. I'm working in our loft and it gets very hot during the day up there. I have to start soldering a lamp I started before holidays. I've completed the foiling. My cat decided to play with the pieces while I was away too. Now I have to remove cat hair as well. I haven't done a lamp before. Any tips? It's an eight panel lamp. Each panel has about 25 pieces. Glenna -- From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 16:45:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbcc1-0000GLa; Thu, 27 Jul 95 16:45 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Back From Vacation Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 13:17:47 EDT Message-ID: <950727.132159.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<013.09152720.MPGP79B@prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just bought a house and I'm moving...try that in day after day of +90 degree temps. I'd have to FIND my soldering iron... This house has a nice area for my work area, BTW...one of our requirements. A cool basement room with good ventilation and built in shelves. To the person wanting to display fish slies....won't they get smashed between two bevels? Why not a narrow box type thing with the fly handing in between? (Am I clear? Too hot and frazzled) -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (203) 679-2940 FAX (203) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ***Summertime: it's vacation time!*** From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 16:52:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbWYK-0000aDa; Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:16 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Back From Vacation Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:16:37 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Back From Vacation" on Jul 27, 10:45, PEGGY M PALM writes:] > I haven't been very productive, glass wise. Can't seem to get > interested in a hot soldering iron when the temps and humidity are in > the 90's... How is everyone else doing? Peggy > Hi Peggy, I have the same problem. I'm working in our loft and it gets very hot during the day up there. I have to start soldering a lamp I started before holidays. I've completed the foiling. My cat decided to play with the pieces while I was away too. Now I have to remove cat hair as well. I haven't done a lamp before. Any tips? It's an eight panel lamp. Each panel has about 25 pieces. Glenna -- From owner-glass Thu Jul 27 19:10:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sberB-0000Rqa; Thu, 27 Jul 95 19:08 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Back From Vacation Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:03:05 AST Message-ID: <9527230305.F1AF> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:45:57 EDT, MPGP79B@prodigy.com writes: > >> From: Glenna Rand >> Howard,...I'm kicking myself for not realizing you lived in Portland >> sooner. We drove through Oregon on our way home. Oh well, perhaps >next >> time. > >Glenna, I don't know if you would have found him at home. He went on >vacation 7/11 and is due to return in Aug. sometime. Headed for NYC, >Fla., and the middle east, among other things mentioned! It's been >very quiet on this list lately. Maybe the heat has melted all of us? >I haven't been very productive, glass wise. Can't seem to get >interested in a hot soldering iron when the temps and humidity are in >the 90's... How is everyone else doing? Peggy > Hi Peggy, This is Wayne over here in New Brunswick, Canada. I share the thought you have about the hot soldering iron, and heat and humidity. I have been spending most of the summer thus far camping and shooting black and white photography for my files to work on this winter. Can't seemn to even develop much interest in glass for now. I am sure it will all change as the temps come down. Have a good summer, or as our pal Howard would say...Enjoy. Wayne. From owner-glass Fri Jul 28 06:15:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbpES-0000ija; Fri, 28 Jul 95 06:13 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: newsgroup CFV Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:15:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <9507281315.AA04855@crosfield.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk if you can't find the rec.crafts.glass CFV in news.announce.newgroups or news.groups, then it may have expired at your site; in which case, you should be able to get a copy from the votetaker at SPB@tntv8.ntrs.com -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) From owner-glass Fri Jul 28 06:32:39 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbpV3-0000Z0a; Fri, 28 Jul 95 06:30 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: newsgroup CFV Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 9:30:57 18000 Message-ID: <199507281330.JAA20126@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<9507281315.AA04855@crosfield.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > if you can't find the rec.crafts.glass CFV in news.announce.newgroups or > news.groups, then it may have expired at your site; in which case, you > should be able to get a copy from the votetaker at SPB@tntv8.ntrs.com > > -Jerry > -- > _|_ > / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) > \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) > \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) > Hi Jerry, thanks for reminding me of the upcoming vote. Just checked usenet and was able to find the announcement. To quote some of the instructions for others that aren't able to read the CFV: send message to voting@ntrs.com, body of message should read: "I vote yes on rec.crafts.glass" Hope it works this time :) On an other subject: I agree with the other writers that it's quite hot to think about soldering or other crafty indoor stuff. It's still summer, and the outdoors beckon. Although, am just getting ready to send of my glass order to W/C - the projects are piling up..... Happy soldering (despite the heat) UrselH -- e From owner-glass Fri Jul 28 07:09:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sbq5C-0000gga; Fri, 28 Jul 95 07:08 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Call for votes on glass newsgroups Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:08:35 EDT Message-ID: <013.09192075.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Subject: Call for votes on glass newsgroups > .....Have a look in the usenet news group called > 'news.announce.newgroups' ... for CFV: rec.crafts.glass' or similar, > which contains voting instructions and the charter for the proposed group. Thanks, Jerry. I found it under 'rec.crafts.misc', put in my yes vote, and got a long confirmation message in reply. I hope it works out. Peggy From owner-glass Fri Jul 28 18:10:52 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sc0Mz-0000lha; Fri, 28 Jul 95 18:07 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Summer Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 20:52:25 EDT Message-ID: <013.09213775.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It's fun to hear from everyone. Glad to know the summer slow-down isn't too unusual, also. I was beginning to feel pretty lazy, glasswise! Anyway, hearing from you all is giving me the urge to start something new. Wayne, I've passed through New Brunswick when visiting friends in N.S. The daughter of one has been attending Mt. Allison U., and often talks about the friendly folks in that area. Also took a B&W photography course a few years ago. Found printing lots of fun, but as Howard says, I'm no threat to the pros! What are your favorite photographic subjects? Glenna, I can sympathize with the cat problem. One of mine has decided that an upside down Worden form makes the perfect cat bed! (I'm sending a separate post about panel lamps.) Dorothy, my complete sympathy. I "planned" my last move to coincide with the worst blizzard of the winter, then had the electricity and heat turned off a day too early at the old house (defective clendar, of course --*I* would never make such a dumb mistake!). Ended up sleeping in blankets on the floor of the "new" house, which had heat and light, if not furniture! Hope all is back to normal for you soon..... About the consignment shop: I did this once with dolls, not glass. Found out some interesting things. First, get your agreement in writing if at all possible. (The 20% sounds great - most places here are 30-45% with or without a rental charge.) Find out if the shop will reimburse you for the value of items shoplifted. (A sad commentary on modern life. It happened to a couple of my items.) If you're in a tourist area, for small items, it helps to have professional quality hang tags that emphasize "handcrafted/original design/whatever" with the name of the tourist area (Made in VERMONT, San Francisco, whatever....) fairly boldly displayed. That often attracts buyers of souvenirs. Any information about you and your work that you feel like sharing is also attractive to people. It gives the item a more "personal" feel, and provides a "story" to tell if it was bought as a gift. ("I found this in a great little shop in ....") Check back on your display fairly frequently. Even though it's in the shop's interest to keep the display clean and attractive, no one will provide the same quality of attention you will-- Good luck with your venture! Thanks to all for the inspiration to get going again! Peggy From owner-glass Fri Jul 28 19:15:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sc1Px-0000j4a; Fri, 28 Jul 95 19:14 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Panel lamps Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 20:52:18 EDT Message-ID: <013.09213768.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna! Welcome back... Has the foiled glass been sitting around while you were away? If so, you might want to buff it (gently!) with 0000 steel wool until shiny again. I've had some frustrating problems with getting solder to adhere and bead properly on foiled glass that's been waiting for me to get to it. Buffing it first seemed to solve the problem for me. [It also removes cat hair.... :-) ] Do you still have the jig that you used while cutting? I've only made 2 panel lamps, so I'm no great expert, (anyone want to jump in here?) but had success with this: 1. Working with one panel at a time, fit the foiled pieces of the panel together within the jig. 2. Tack or flat solder the sections of each panel, until sturdy enough to remove from the jig. 3. Solder both sides of each panel, BUT - be careful to stop your bead about 1/8" before the edge of any seam that will meet the edge of another panel. If you end up with solder drooping over these edges, the panels won't meet smoothly when you're ready to put them together. Stopping just short of the edge avoids this. It also helps avoid that big glob of solder that can form where several solder lines meet when you put all the panels together. The space fills in easily when you solder the vertical seams later. 4. When all the panels are soldered and beaded, lay them out side by side on a flat surface. The panels should all be the same size, the seam lines of adjoining panels should match appropriately. They look like a fan when all laid out. Howard spaces the panels by putting a penny on edge between them so they are not touching each other. He uses 1 penny about 1/2" down from the top edge, and one about 1/2" up from the bottom edge. As you space each panel, tape across it with either masking tape or electrical tape in at least 2 places between the 2 spots where the pennies are. (Scotch tape doesn't hold well enough.) 5. The last piece of tape should be long enough to overhang the edge by about 3 inches. You will use this to tape the shade together after it is shaped. 6. Using the upper edge, lift the taped lamp panels up into the position the shade would have if placed bottom edge down on the table. The panels will tend to curve inward as you lift. Help them along. When the shade is resting on its bottom rim, meet the edges of the first and last panel together and secure with the overhanging edge of tape. The next step is attaching the cap. Glenna, I have to end here for the moment. I'll continue with chapter 2 tomorrow if you find this helpful, or maybe someone else will pick up the thread with helpful hints first! Sorry to type and run. Ran out of time! Peggy From owner-glass Sat Jul 29 08:05:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0scDRh-0000Lba; Sat, 29 Jul 95 08:04 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Summer Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 11:59:01 AST Message-ID: <9529115901.1635> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Jul 1995 20:52:25 EDT, MPGP79B@prodigy.com writes: >Wayne, I've passed through New Brunswick when visiting friends in N.S. >The daughter of one has been attending Mt. Allison U., and often talks >about the friendly folks in that area. Also took a B&W photography >course a few years ago. Found printing lots of fun, but as Howard says, >I'm no threat to the pros! What are your favorite photographic >subjects? > Hi Peggy, Wayne here. Where are you from??? When it comes to printing...that is the part of the business I hate the most. My favorite subjects varry with my moods. I gues my main love would be portrait. Since I have been in the business for about thirty years, and mostly refered to as a portrait photographer. My main exhibits are portrait studies, mostly in black and white, so you can see, I get to spend a fair ammount of time doing the thing I hate. ;=) In the summer though I especially like camping and doing nature shoots, which I prepare in various artistic forms for sale in the studio. Between the gardening, and tthe nature shoots, summer is not the best time for me to dabble in the glass. I get very little time to do it. Thanks for the compliment on the friendly folks of the area. I guess I would have to agree, both for the loyality for the region, and because I do believe it to be true. Regards, Wayne From owner-glass Sat Jul 29 08:57:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0scEFf-0000OEa; Sat, 29 Jul 95 08:56 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Panel lamps Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:55:58 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Has the foiled glass been sitting around while you were away? If so, > you might want to buff it (gently!) with 0000 steel wool until shiny > again. I've had some frustrating problems with getting solder to > adhere and bead properly on foiled glass that's been waiting for me to > get to it. Buffing it > first seemed to solve the problem for me. [It also removes cat > hair.... :-) ] Hi Peggy, I never even thought about that...it has been sitting a while... I will definately give that a try. Thanks! Glenna -- From owner-glass Sun Jul 30 05:51:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0scXpg-0000S9a; Sun, 30 Jul 95 05:51 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Panel lamps Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 8:51:58 EDT Message-ID: <199507301252.IAA26565@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > > Has the foiled glass been sitting around while you were away? If so, > > you might want to buff it (gently!) with 0000 steel wool until shiny > > again. I've had some frustrating problems with getting solder to > > adhere and bead properly on foiled glass that's been waiting for me to > > get to it. Buffing it > > first seemed to solve the problem for me. [It also removes cat > > hair.... :-) ] > > > > > > Hi Peggy, > > I never even thought about that...it has been sitting a while... > I will definately give that a try. Thanks! > > Glenna > > -- > This was good info for me as well. Does anyone know the shelflife of foil? My shop goes through longish periods of unairconditioned heat (I only turn it on while working in there), and we have pretty steady heat from June to Sept. and it gets pretty hot in there. I have brought my supply into the -airconditioned- house, but I often forget to take it with me to work on it. It's not earthshattering to have to walk back and forth, just annoying. Would be nicer if I could keep everything right there.... Seems to me, if the adhesive on the foil is exposed to temp changes, there would eventually be failure. Thanks to all for the recent posts. Feel energized to start on my next project: a hanging panel to match my wallpaper border in the master bath :-). Keep the good info coming - and happy soldering! UrselH -- e From owner-glass Sun Jul 30 06:33:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0scYUd-0000VQa; Sun, 30 Jul 95 06:33 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: cpcn.com!maruca From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora) Subject: CFV Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <9507301331.AA03002@info.cpcn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you'd like to see what it is you're voting to establish, here is the Call For Votes on the proposed glass group. It also includes info on how to vote. FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.crafts.glass Newsgroups line: rec.crafts.glassAll aspects of glassworking and glass. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Aug 1995. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Steve Bonine . For questions about the proposed group contact John Sutter . CHARTER The scope of the proposed newsgroup rec.crafts.glass should include but not be limitied to: - the working of glass in any manner such as stained glass glassblowing neon and other luminous tube casting fusing scientific/laboratory flamework beads making jewelry making - equipment - techniques - materials - safety - business issues - announcements of classes and shows - announcements of conferences The discussions will be held in English. FAQs should be developed for specific areas of interest and will be posted to the group on a periodic basis. Reasonable commercial announcements will be permitted as long as they are clearly marked as such in the subject of the message. This newsgroup is not intended to be a marketplace. RATIONALE Glassworking in one form or another has been around for 5000 years. Today glassworking of various sorts is practiced by hobbyists, craftspeoples, and artists in homes, shops, studios and laboratories around the world. An active glass mailing list with an initial membership in 1993 of 40 readers existed until March of 1995 when it disappeared. The size of the upon its demise is unknown. The list served as a great resource and forum for discussion with an average of about 5 messages a day. The creation of rec.crafts.glass is proposed to re-establish a forum in which to discuss glassworking. A proposal had originally been submitted to alt.config for alt.crafts.glassblowing. Subsequent discussion showed an interest in expanding the scope of the mailing list and also moving into rec.crafts hence this RFD for rec.crafts.glass. There were further comments that rec.arts.glassworking should be used instead to promote glasswork as an art but this naming would unnecessarily limit the scope of the newsgroup and does not fit in well with newsgroups already in rec.arts. The discussion period resulted in the change of the name to rec.crafts.glass to make the group more generic and more easily subdivided at a later date if needs be. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@ntrs.com Just replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. It would be apprciated by the votetaker if you did NOT forward the CFV back; this mail is archived and I really don't need several hundred copies of the CFV on my system. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.crafts.glass I vote NO on rec.crafts.glass You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. ################################################################### There you have it! Doesn't it sound great? Mary Armstrong maruca@cpcn.com From owner-glass Sun Jul 30 06:46:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0scYfr-0000Coa; Sun, 30 Jul 95 06:44 PDT X-Path: pilot.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Foil Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9507301344.AA18147@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> References: <<199507301252.IAA26565@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > This was good info for me as well. Does anyone know the shelflife of > foil? My shop goes through longish periods of unairconditioned heat (I > etc.... Hi guys.... Foil....I don't know if I have ever heard of a "shelf-life" for foil....but I do know that at the store we put it in a zip-lock bag if we aren't using it. That keeps it from oxidizing on the surface and it keeps moisture from getting to the glued side. I do that at home too, when i store it in the basement (working in a glass store i don't do work at home as much....it can be hard when you do it all day at the store :) ) anyway I have never had a problem when the glue or with it oxidizing on me and being hard to solder. Another tip....When you have a piece that you foil and then you let it sit....if you have a good flux....sometimes you have just put a good amount of flux on the copper and wait a bit before you solder and the corrosiveness of the flux will clean off the oxidation for you... you'll be able to see the copper get a bit lighter nad shiney unter the flux. We do that at the store when you ahve a project that has to sit all foiled because we get busy for a few days. TTYL Lisa From owner-glass Mon Jul 31 12:03:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sd07o-0000Uwa; Mon, 31 Jul 95 12:03 PDT X-Path: Augustana.edu!SWSEAHOLM From: "Jill Seaholm" To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: Red lead Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:01:28 CST Message-ID: <1995Jul31.20128.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL Precedence: bulk I neglected to save the recipes that some of you sent out to the list a couple of months ago. Does anyone happen to have them and feel like forwarding them to me? I'd be obliged. I've heard of an ingredient called Red Lead. Does anyone know what it is, where to find it, and if there's an easily-obtainable substitute? Sorry to get so technical when none of you is really "doing" glass these days. Here (IL-IA border), too, it is in the 90s and very humid. Thanks again. Jill Jill Seaholm, (Genealogical) Researcher Swenson Swedish Immigration Research Center Augustana College 639 38th St Rock Island IL 61201-2273 USA swseaholm@augustana.edu