From owner-glass Thu Jun 1 04:47:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sH8iu-0000YFa; Thu, 1 Jun 95 04:47 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: sysm.acs.virginia.edu!UD59 From: LAUREL HALL Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu Jun 1 04:47:32 1995 Message-ID: <1995Jun2.21932.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SENDER OF MESSAGE: STEVENSON@ABYSS.USASK.CA Thank you, thank you, to all you busy people in glass land and the real world, too, for your responses. You satisfied my curiosity. Nice to be on the same wave length. Laurie: I arrived at an actual working wind chime by trial and error and with the help of a very patient husband. The designs on top are easy, any sun catcher will do. Next decide on the pipe arrangenet: either in the round (5 make a pretty sound in 1" increments, 6 is good, too, but more is not necessary), or pan-flute style, all in a row. The row style needs more wind to sing. The secret to sound in the round is the inside diameter or space of the pipes: the smaller, the easier for the clapper to hit against. I wish you could have seen us try the first one: a) it had only 4 pipes about a mile apart, b) the pipes were copper (left over water pipe - I try to be thrifty) c) the pendulum below the clapper was too low and too heavy. But we found all this out much later. (There must be books on the subject, but I always do things "on my own" i.e., the hard way, ha). The pipes sounded very pretty when I held them in my hand, but didn't budge in the breeze. So we blew on them -- hard! - nothing. Hubby waved a cardboard box in front of it for increased circulation, no movement, so I dragged out the old power fan: it rearranged my entire workshop, but the darn pipes didn't say a word. Oh, they moved, but all in the same direction! Well, you had to be there. Anyway, if you do not find any books on how to make them, just go to a gift shop or garden store, they all carry oogles of different ones, and spy!!! After all, there is just so much to the basic construction of a chime, its our glass design that makes them different. Have given several away and the recipients seem to be very pleased with them. Oh, the aluminum tubing needs to be cut into the desired length (I use 6"to 15"), easiest done with a cutoff saw, then deburred, and two holes drilled (you'll need a jig and pref. a drill press) for the hanging strings (fishing line). Hope I wasn't too wordy. Gotta run now and make some pickles - my garden is overproducing!! (BTW, I have a surefire recipe for B&B pickles, if someone wants it, just contact me privately, and I'll e-mail it at once) --Happy soldering! UrselH=Ursel Howland. e *** Comments from UD59 - HALL, LAUREL; 06/01/95 07:37: Thanks so much for the tips, I'm building a new house with a huge deck--lots of chime potential! Have a great weekend, and enjoy your pickle making. Laurie LAUREL HALL UD59@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU From owner-glass Thu Jun 1 07:36:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sHBLV-0000F3a; Thu, 1 Jun 95 07:35 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy Kalahan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: UrbanGlass Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 10:25:42 EDT Message-ID: <950601.102955.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I often get catalogs from the New York Contemporary Art Center in Brooklyn. They are in the middle of their summer classes. There are still some weekend classes coming up on glassblowing, hot casting, paperweight making and lampwork (classes given by UrbanGlass). If you are going to be in the area and are interested in hot glass you might want to call them 718 635 3685. (I'm not affiated with them and have never been there 2 1/2 hour commute with GOOD traffic, which it never is from Connecticut) Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Fri Jun 2 09:55:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sHZxp-0000Mia; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:52 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Filligree Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:51:35 -0700 Message-ID: <199506021651.JAA13046@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, this is Terry. I recently bought some filligree for night lights and was wondering what the best way is to use it. I was told to tin it first then foil it to the glass. How do I patina and polish? am I supposed to do this prior to foiling? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone. It's now time for me to get back to work - but at least it's Friday!!(more time for glass!) Terry. From owner-glass Fri Jun 2 10:04:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sHa8H-0000CYa; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:03 PDT X-Path: Augustana.edu!SWSEAHOLM From: "Jill Seaholm" To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: Crafts Council suppliers list Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:02:12 CST Message-ID: <1995Jun2.18212.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL Precedence: bulk When I first joined this list, I was sent a copy of a list made by the PEI crafts council of stained glass suppliers all over N. America. Well, I noticed much later that the studio where I work is indeed on there, but at an address that is over 15 years outdated. Does anyone know how I can get that changed? I tried e-mailing the address given: info@crafts-council.pe.ca That was over a month ago. So far, no response. Maybe that's not unusual. Anybody? Jill Seaholm Still out there From owner-glass Fri Jun 2 19:05:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sHiZ2-0000Oqa; Fri, 2 Jun 95 19:03 PDT X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Filligree Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:06:36 -0400 Message-ID: <199506030206.WAA01615@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Terry, this is Carol > >I recently bought some filligree for night lights and was wondering >what the best way is to use it. I was told to tin it first then foil >it to the glass. How do I patina and polish? am I supposed to do this >prior to foiling? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks >everyone. > I would say the advise you got was pretty close. I've tinned first, patinaed(?) both sides being careful to leave the edges un-patinaed so the copper foil would adhere then foiled it to the glass. How to polish? got me. I didn't, just cleaned it well and had a black matte finish. Looked good to me and my customer liked it, which is all the counts when someone else is paying for it. I did a Mika filligree for a 6 sided lamp, with panels being mirror images of each other. Good luck!! From owner-glass Fri Jun 2 20:54:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sHkGx-0000Hpa; Fri, 2 Jun 95 20:53 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Filligree Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:53:21 -0700 Message-ID: <199506030353.AA14378@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Terry,this is Howard...A tip for the fill is to solder(tin) it first, then patina it, clean thoroughly, and then foil it to the glass. The patina will stop the solder from running on tne fillagree and give you a nice solder bead. PS the freight for the nite lites is $5.48 (I think). enjoy,,, From owner-glass Sat Jun 3 15:29:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sI1gT-0000Qha; Sat, 3 Jun 95 15:28 PDT X-Path: selune.demon.co.uk!jc From: jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Crafts Council suppliers list Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 22:40:11 +0200 (BST) Message-ID: References: <<1995Jun2.18212.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I tried e-mailing the address given: info@crafts-council.pe.ca > > That was over a month ago. So far, no response. Maybe that's not > unusual. > > Anybody? Hmm; I think they may have had funding difficulties - if their web page has gone, maybe the funds ran out - if it's still there, maybe they're either busy, or your mail or there reply has died silently en route. From owner-glass Sun Jun 4 17:12:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sIPj3-0000eBa; Sun, 4 Jun 95 17:09 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Crafts Council suppliers list Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 19:42:02 EDT Message-ID: <013.07243856.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Jill, the PEI crafts council has a new email address: peicc@isn.net. I don't know if that will be any more effective. I emailed a change of address to them a couple of days ago, but have had no reply. You're right - the info on that list is pretty outdated in some cases, and I don't know if anyone has done anything with it since it was first created. Good luck! Peggy From owner-glass Sun Jun 4 17:12:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sIPjq-0000KIa; Sun, 4 Jun 95 17:09 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks for the Night Light Info Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 19:41:52 EDT Message-ID: <013.07243849.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Hi Terry- Thanks for your reply about W-C. I've been out of town for a few days and just received it. I've found that back-orders have been more common at W-C during the summer months, based on my vast experience of 2 years of occasional orders! Don't know if it's due to lower supply availability or greater demand, or none of the above, but it is annoying. My winter orders arrived in 3-4 days without any hassles. I've heard people have had problems getting a catalog as well. Perhaps that was due to the long delay in publishing the updated version after they ran out of copies of the older one. I do find their prices better than most, and don't do resales, so don't have deadlines to meet! They have been very pleasant to work with for the few problems I did have. Hope your nightlights worked out. What would we do without "Uncle" Howard? :-) Peggy From owner-glass Sun Jun 4 20:57:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sITH8-0000XJa; Sun, 4 Jun 95 20:56 PDT X-Path: southwind.net!jnaylor From: jnaylor@southwind.net (Jim Naylor) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 22:57:46 -0600 Message-ID: <199506050349.WAA13283@onyx.southwind.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim Jim Naylor (Lurkers Anonymous) From owner-glass Sun Jun 4 21:59:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sIUED-0000ama; Sun, 4 Jun 95 21:57 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks for the Night Light Info Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 21:57:31 -0700 Message-ID: <199506050457.AA27637@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is "Uncle Howard", not to be confused with "SAM". Hope the nite light info was fairly accurate. I use Venture foil, and find that it sticks real well over the patinaed filigree. For exposed edges you might want to use 1.5mil foil, a little stiffer and less likely to peel off with handling. The info was sent out under duress, as I was at my son's who is a major player in the computer field, and trying to show my sister-in-law how email works. She will be on line next week, and we are slowly convinceing the extended family to give it a shot. My son as offered with no pressure from me to trouble shoot for anyone on the list. I can give out his address if it is requested. He works for PCKWIK in Portland in customer support (phones) and some windows 95 beta testing, and some hardware work in his spare time and setting up a home page with some work info. He also has a pet iguana (green) and enjoys corresponding about them. Sorry, got a little wordy(again). enjoy From owner-glass Mon Jun 5 16:34:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sIldk-0000e1a; Mon, 5 Jun 95 16:33 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks for the Night Light Info Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:32:39 -0700 Message-ID: <199506052332.QAA09810@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi peggy, your welcome for the info, any time you need info on WC just ask, we're really lucky to live so close. However, it's quite anoing to drive for an hour to find that they don't have what I need in stock. It kind of takes the wind right out of your sails. Gotta run. We have a show this weeekend. Talk to you later, Terry. From owner-glass Tue Jun 6 00:49:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sItNY-0000TPa; Tue, 6 Jun 95 00:48 PDT X-Path: compuserve.com!76531.71 From: Teresa M Vaughn <76531.71@compuserve.com> To: all Subject: mailing list Date: 06 Jun 95 03:47:18 EDT Message-ID: <1995Jun6.74718.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please remove my name from the mailing list, I will be off line for a length of time. Thankyou. From owner-glass Sun Jun 11 18:09:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sKxwN-0000aRa; Sun, 11 Jun 95 18:05 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: cpcn.com!maruca From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora) Subject: no news? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 21:04:08 -0400 Message-ID: <9506120104.AA19368@info.cpcn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Have there been no posts, or has the computer belched me out? maruca@cpcn.com From owner-glass Sun Jun 11 18:15:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sKy3c-0000PVa; Sun, 11 Jun 95 18:12 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: no news? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:12:32 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "no news?" on Jun 11, 21:04, la madrugadora writes:] > Have there been no posts, or has the computer belched me out? > maruca@cpcn.com Hi, No, there haven't been any posts. Everyone is probably a bit busier now that summer has arrived...I know I have been.. Glenna -- From owner-glass Sun Jun 11 19:51:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sKzZA-0000Pka; Sun, 11 Jun 95 19:49 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: no news? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 19:48:27 -0700 Message-ID: <199506120248.TAA08051@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Matt Busy, busy, busy. Will probably have some insights about craft shows during the week when we have a chance to recoup... From owner-glass Mon Jun 12 05:53:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sL8wB-0000V7a; Mon, 12 Jun 95 05:49 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ratios Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 08:43:42 EDT Message-ID: <950612.084557.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Attended a craft show this past Sunday (spectator only) and it was a big, busy one. There was only ONE stained glass person and THREE hot glass people (basically blowing). Did a show recently where I was the only stained glass person and there were two fusers. Interesting. Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Mon Jun 12 08:15:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLBCu-0000Pka; Mon, 12 Jun 95 08:15 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: no news? Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 07:02:06 AST Message-ID: <9512070206.C174> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jun 1995 21:04:08 -0400, maruca@cpcn.com writes: >Have there been no posts, or has the computer belched me out? >maruca@cpcn.com Hi all! I guess we are all up to our necks in grass clippings, instead of glass chippings.;-) The first couple of days that a rain wave sweeps across the continent, you will probably see the posts comming on line as it moves. I know I now have about three small projects that I am itching to get going on but the weather is so nice, I seem to want to be out. Regards, Wayne From owner-glass Mon Jun 12 18:35:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLKpy-0000Pra; Mon, 12 Jun 95 18:32 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: no news? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:31:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199506130131.AA04277@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, here...in the PNW we have been having cool, bleak, dreary, damp, chilly, windy, overcast, foggy, misty, and even ocasional bad weather. The above adjectives generally describe the onset of summer. When we get a nice (open for interpretation) weather, it is treasured. Anyway, the above cited weather allows for time to do glass. This is sort of a reply to show that some mail does indeed go out. To maruca@cpcn.com, have not seen many (any) questions on glass. I list(en) on a stamp and a coin list, and very rarly comment, not to be confused with the rarly commented glass list. I fear to others that I am rambling, just letting dinner settle while I type. I seems true that blood leaves the brain and goes to the stomach for digestion. Well anyway, Enjoy You know who you are, the check came in today...thanks From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 08:33:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLXuU-0000CFa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 08:29 PDT X-Path: aol.com!NAPPERzzzz From: NAPPERzzzz@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:26:09 -0400 Message-ID: <950613112607_69823199@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Finally got my odyssey mold from Warner-Criv..., it is a l0" azalea. I selected this one because I needed a lamp that size for my desk. Now I realize I don't have too much knowledge about azaleas and their colors. I plan on doing some research at the library and nursery, but if anyone has made this lamp, or have some good suggestions on what types, colors, etc. of glass to select, I sure would appreciate the input. I'm new to lamp making and any tips yoiu can share with me will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks Sherry From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 09:42:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLZ2A-0000USa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:41 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:41:58 -0700 Message-ID: <199506131641.AA26192@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Sherry...this is Howard. Before you make any major moves to start the 10", let me type a few suggestions as to NOT waxing the form, color, Worden Lamp holder, etc. See if the list (Glenna or Peggy) has some of the stuff from earlier posts, a lot of it is lamp related. Some of my credentials are verified by about 1,000 shades, with many of them Odyssey. Make sure you have or can get the ring, wheel, and cap in the Odyssey ser, as the "cheap imports" do not always measure the samr as Odyssey. If you need specific items, I also can ship or have shipped what is required. more later... Enjoy From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 10:45:02 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLa13-00003ja; Tue, 13 Jun 95 10:44 PDT X-Path: aol.com!LBettin From: LBettin@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Azaleas Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <950613134339_94052758@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sherry - I have had many azaleas in my yard(s) over the years -- whites, pale and hot pinks, mauves, reds, lavendars. They are ethereal and delicate looking so I would keep the glass with that feeling too. Howard, or another real lamp maker can probably advise you on actual glass to use. Sounds neat, hope it turns out like you want it. Laura from Carson City From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 13:04:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLcCH-0000VDa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 13:04 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:04:18 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Glass selection for lamp" on Jun 13, 9:41, Elaine Lea Rubin writes:] > > Hello, Sherry...this is Howard. > Before you make any major moves to start the 10", let me type a few > suggestions as to NOT waxing the form, color, Worden Lamp holder, etc. > See if the list (Glenna or Peggy) has some of the stuff from earlier > posts, a lot of it is lamp related. Some of my credentials are verified > by about 1,000 shades, with many of them Odyssey. Make sure you have Hi Sherry, If you need the past postings, ftp to: ftp://daver.bungi.com/pub/glass Glenna -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 18:04:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLgr8-0000ifa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 18:02 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 21:58:09 AST Message-ID: <9513215809.8290> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:26:09 -0400, NAPPERzzzz@aol.com writes: >Hi all, > Finally got my odyssey mold from Warner-Criv..., it is a l0" azalea. I >selected this one because I needed a lamp that size for my desk. Now I >realize I don't have too much knowledge about azaleas and their colors. I >plan on doing some research at the library and nursery, but if anyone has >made this lamp, or have some good suggestions on what types, colors, etc. of >glass to select, I sure would appreciate the input. I'm new to lamp making >and any tips yoiu can share with me will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks >Sherry Hi Sherry, Welcome to the list. For what it is worth, listen to Howard's suggestions, and read previous posts if possible. This guy is great, and I can not tell you how much his suggestions and comments have helped me. I am sure you will also find this out before long. Regards, Wayne, (from Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada) From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 18:08:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLgub-0000Iqa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 18:06 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:40:05 EDT Message-ID: <013.07559175.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Sherry, I'll be glad to pass on Howard's advice. I think I have some advice on color use that was not sent to the whole list, since I had asked about specific glass for a dogwood lamp. Also information about cutting and assembly order, and pattern use. If you don't find that info in the FTP from Glenna, let me know, and I'll be happy to pass on what I have. Howard is an absolute gold mine of information for lampmakers, as well as being very generous about sharing his expertise. Have you thought of checking the gardening section in a public library for color pictures of azaleas? There are also some gorgeous photos in gardening catalogs. Wayside Gardens in SC is one that comes to mind (1-800-845-1124 for catalog). Good luck with your search! Peggy From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 18:30:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLhGH-0000MLa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 18:28 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ratios Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 20:39:57 EDT Message-ID: <013.07559170.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Dorothy, do you think we're seeing a trend away from cutting to fusing? Forgive the outrageous pun, but fusing does seem to be the hot topic of the moment! In Maine recently, I saw a beautiful 10-12 inch plate fused of seedy clear/green streaked glass with irridescent angel fish in a silvery blue/violet combo. Asking price $150 (NOT the everyday china!) I do admire the very artistic effects people achieve with fusing, but would hate to see the traditional methods sink back into oblivion.... What do you think? Peggy From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 18:47:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLhWN-0000Pya; Tue, 13 Jun 95 18:45 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:45:48 -0700 Message-ID: <199506140145.AA16593@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk as i said before, flattery will get you everywhere...more later Guess who? From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 18:53:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLhcl-0000USa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 18:52 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ratios Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 18:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <199506140152.AA17444@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Howard once again, IMHO I feel that hot glass and cold glass do not compete, however, fusing and related skills are quite the artistic rage now. Note how much stuff is sold, published, and made available for hot glass workers. There is much more develpoement timeneeded to produce major fused pieces and the criteria is more rigid than sheet glass work. Simple stuff such as earrings and pins and belt buckles can be done witha monimum of skill and training and cost. I have rubbed elbows with some famous and sought after hot glass workers, and have traded for expensive pieces. My upper scale work is as fine as their's is...we trade dollars for dollars (retail). I have an hour at a time, but unlimited use of the net, so back in a while. From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 19:05:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLhoV-0000X3a; Tue, 13 Jun 95 19:04 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:03:45 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Glass selection for lamp" on Jun 13, 18:45, Elaine Lea Rubin writes:] > > as i said before, flattery will get you everywhere...more later > Guess who? Hi Howard, I just wanted to add how wonderful you are to have on the list! I know you're always managed to help me with any problems I had. Thanks again. Glenna -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 19:13:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLhvk-0000f1a; Tue, 13 Jun 95 19:11 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ratios Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:12:11 -0700 Message-ID: <199506140212.AA22058@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard, horning in a the topic...Watch so TV...not passing judgement however,and see how much SG (lamps) are being used. The major complaint that I have is the cheap stuff from the orient, and from places that a $1.50 per week is a living wage. There are more bases, molds, patterns now than there were a few years ago. Many of the trade publications push hot glass hard. I have had some training in hot glass and did not like any of it. My first and only choice are lampshades...currently doing the mission style. I have not yet mastered the editor, so read with care and interpret when necessary. In simple fusing, i feel the color rather than what the piece is tends to be what attracts. I turned down a trade for $12,000 of fused vases and like stuff for a large dragon fly lamp, from a collectable source...not sure I made the right choice. ONe of my buddies is a VERY VERY expensive iol painter with many credentials (credentials and $1.50 buys coffee) and he owns 3 of my pieces,as touts for me at his studio as well. I do not lose track of where my work goes and what the trade value is either. Some technical info coming on the set-up of the Odyssey form, I will do it in a word program so it can be edited, later... Enjoy From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 19:19:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLi0u-0000i6a; Tue, 13 Jun 95 19:17 PDT X-Path: Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@Camosun.BC.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:15:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1995Jun13.111545.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, Howard, thanks for all the help you give everyone, I do keep all your instrutions even though I am not working on the same things I will be able to refer to these instructions when needed, thanks again for being such a great on-line teacher. Donna!!!glassalas! On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Glenna Rand wrote: > [In the message entitled "Re: Glass selection for lamp" on Jun 13, 18:45, Elaine Lea Rubin writes:] > > > > as i said before, flattery will get you everywhere...more later > > Guess who? > > Hi Howard, > > I just wanted to add how wonderful you are to have on the list! > I know you're always managed to help me with any problems I had. > Thanks again. > > Glenna > > -- > From owner-glass Tue Jun 13 23:25:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLltU-0000YPa; Tue, 13 Jun 95 23:25 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:26:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199506140626.AA17373@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Look out, here it comes... Sherry this one's for you( and the list, too) I have not done the Azalea for resale because of its size and the publics not willing to pay a lot for a small many pieced lamp. Should you ever try to figure what it is worth, and for future projects, my first suggestion is to keep track of your hours and materials. A time clock can be made with a cheap analog(with hands) clock and an on/off switch. Measure the glass before you start and measure what is left over. Add the cost of the form and hardware and solder. This should get you close to the material cost. On to form prep... The instructions for grouting the form is ok...use a dark colored grout. I tacky wax the 2" ring on to the top of the form, it will stick up...ok Take the pre cut top grids one at a time and grind them to fit the pattern on the form. They should lightly touch the ring and still be within the pattern lines. I only wax the top grid row by putting a matchead size piece of tack wax on each one. I heat the wax lightly with a low iron, while still sticky push the ground, and foiled piece of glass on it. When done the first row should be stuck tightly. I solder one piece to another as I go around the top. Once the top row is in place it should not move or slip down. Assuming you have cut the rest of the lamp and juried it on your light table(instructions to be posted) start adding pieces, by grinding and fitting a few, I work about a 3rd of the way down and maybe 3 or 4 pieces across, to make a frame. fill in the other pieces until the hole (frame) is done. At no time should you leave a single piece to fit later. It will be easier if you always have a few pieces that have been fit, but not foiled. Fit the next pieces to those, foil and solder those and fit to the new pieces. You can easily adjust(grind) one edge to fit as you need to. I hope that you can understand, as it is easier to do than to say. When you get to the bottom grid row, do NOT solder a bead, just tack them as evenly as possible. I use a U came strip for the bottom edge, and solder bead makes it hard to fit the came( use a low temp for the came). The came strip goes on after the lamp is finished...just explained why not to run a bead on the grid pieces. After the lamp has been beaded, remove and do the inside, too. Place the 2" ring on a level surface(check with a level). Put the shade(up side down) over the ring, check to see if the shade is level and flat on the table, if not level, shim the shade until the bottom is level, do not disturb the ring... use a penny, a small wedge, a credit card. or whatever thickness you need to make the shade level with the table. When it is on the wheel, it will sit slightly askew, but the bottom will be level and the top will not be noticeable. The diameter is about 10", multply by 3.14 to find out how much came it will take, cut off a piece a few inches longer, and without kinking it, slide it on the lower edge. Tack solder the came one joint at a time with a cooler iron,(came melts much lower than solder) starting at a solder joint. When finished trim the came to fit the last piece and to form a tight meet. You can file the solder to flatten out to match the came. Solder the grid row joints onto the came inside and out, they only need to touch the came. As you can see,I do NOT use the brass ring, as I do NOT like the effect of the uneveness of it. I also suggest you use an oil based flux as sparingly as possible, and cover all exposed copper foil with solder (tin) that has all the adjoining pieces attached to prevent oxidation which will be very difficult to solder over later. If you have read the instructions and feel that something is too much of a contradiction, let me know and I will either defend it or re-think my position. That should be enough for a few minutes of thought...Enjoy CLARIFICATION>>>>> when the shade is up side down and level, without disturbing the shims, solder the ring to the joints of the grid. When done with overall soldering, fill the gap between the ring and the glass with solder, and file it flat when done so the cap will fit flush with the top of the lamp...sorry for geting this out of order. Again if you need to, we can take this one step at a time. It is only glass... From owner-glass Wed Jun 14 05:27:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLrWs-0000X2a; Wed, 14 Jun 95 05:26 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ratios Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:13:42 EDT Message-ID: <950614.082240.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<013.07559170.MPGP79B@prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think that people who enjoy glass often want to stretch in other directions and fusing is one of the mor accessible ones. You can start with a small tabletop fuser and get hooked, then continue from there. One fuser I talked to had three large kilns going (must be married to an electrician!). Still, it's a lot easier to get into fusing than blowing. It's all beautiful, too. Dorothy From owner-glass Wed Jun 14 13:35:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sLz9M-0000cxa; Wed, 14 Jun 95 13:34 PDT X-Path: aol.com!NAPPERzzzz From: NAPPERzzzz@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:34:34 -0400 Message-ID: <950614163213_70777399@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you all for the information....I would like to read the previous lists, but must admit I do not know how to get at them, ftp://daver.bungi.com/pub/glass, means nothing to this computer illiterate. Can you tell me how to get at the lists? Thanks for your patience and time. Sherry From owner-glass Wed Jun 14 17:06:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sM2L0-0000L2a; Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:59 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp (stars for Howard) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:58:19 -0700 Message-ID: <199506142358.QAA12014@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wayne, this is Matt.. I must agree with your description of Howard's knowledge. He's omnipotent when it comes to glass and lamps. Let me also add that Howard is a life-saver. Since we all look up to him, I think that it's only appropriate that we call him 'Uncle Howard' from this point forward. (Unless, of course, he objects.) more later.. From owner-glass Wed Jun 14 17:19:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sM2d2-0000V8a; Wed, 14 Jun 95 17:17 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:16:53 -0700 Message-ID: <199506150016.RAA14845@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sherry, this is Matt With AOL, you have limited access to the Internet. find the Internet button on the main screen and when you get into the Internet screen, select FTP (File Transfer Protocol). ftp://daver.bungi.com is the ftp site. One of the FTP buttons lets you log into an ftp site, just type in the name. Once you get in, you must select the directories in the order that you see them. First double click on the 'pub' directory and then double click on the 'glass' directory. I haven't been there yet, but I'm assuming that's where all the past letters are. Just select the letters(files) you want and download them. I'm not the most fluent in computer stuff, but I hope this helps. From owner-glass Wed Jun 14 19:36:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sM4ms-0000GNa; Wed, 14 Jun 95 19:36 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp (stars for Howard) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:36:34 -0700 Message-ID: <199506150236.AA14532@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk aw, shucks...I have been called much worse than "uncle" From owner-glass Wed Jun 14 20:13:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sM5Me-0000YFa; Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:13 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass selection for lamp Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:21:00 EDT Message-ID: <013.07603944.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Sherry, I haven't been impressed with the quality of internet service on AOL, so if this doesn't work the first time, keep trying! From the menu at the top, select Go To. Then choose Keyword from the dropdown menu. In the screen that appears, type FTP. This will provide a window with 2 buttons: choose the one labelled "go to FTP". From the next window, (called Anonymous FTP) pick the button labelled "other site". Finally, type in ftp: //daver.bungi.com/pub/glass. That should eventually produce a screen which indexes all the past postings in "digests" of 1 month. The first digest contains the posts from the first month on line, and so on. If it still doesn't work, let one of us know. There are ways to tame computers!!! Good luck... Peggy From owner-glass Thu Jun 15 01:46:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMAYZ-0000CXa; Thu, 15 Jun 95 01:45 PDT X-Path: crosfield.co.uk!jc From: jc@crosfield.co.uk (Jerry Cullingford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Proposed glass newsgroup Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:47:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <9506150847.AA19456@crosfield.co.uk> References: <<950614163213_70777399@aol.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just to let people know that there's some discussion on creating a glass newsgroup - have a look in 'news.groups' if you're interested. -Jerry -- _|_ / | Jerry Cullingford jc@crosfield.co.uk (Work) \_|_ jc@selune.demon.co.uk (Home) \__/ Hemel Hempstead, UK jerry@shell.portal.com (alternate) From owner-glass Thu Jun 15 18:15:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMPyE-0000cBa; Thu, 15 Jun 95 18:13 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Re: Glass selection for lamp (stars for Howard) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:20:13 EDT Message-ID: <013.07635191.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- > aw, shucks...I have been called much worse than "uncle" Howard, you wouldn't be offering us a challenge here, now would you? We could try "the enLightened one", "the Piece-maker", or possibly "Frank Lloyd Light"? Do I hear another faint cry of "uncle"? Sometimes I just can't seem to control these urges toward silliness.... I'll stop now. I promise. Peggy ;-) From owner-glass Thu Jun 15 21:57:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMTSO-0000Jia; Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:56 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Glass selection for lamp (stars for Howard) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:57:00 -0700 Message-ID: <199506160457.AA15454@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk promises...promises...promises...enlighten me no more. What happened to a pane in the glass? Ok, no more, well maybe.... From owner-glass Fri Jun 16 12:57:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMhVB-0000LVa; Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:56 PDT X-Path: netcom.com!egreer From: Edward Greer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass list Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1995Jun16.55520.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would like to join your glass list. Please send info / sign me up. Thank you very much. ------------------------------------*--------------------------------------- Edward Greer * Just a minute... egreer@netcom.com * ...I'm thinking ------------------------------------*--------------------------------------- From owner-glass Fri Jun 16 14:12:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMige-0000bHa; Fri, 16 Jun 95 14:12 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@daver.bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Vacation Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:12:11 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I will be going on vacation till July 5. Any administrative details (like adding and deleting) will be postponed until then. See you all, Glenna -- From owner-glass Fri Jun 16 19:09:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMnJF-0000Vea; Fri, 16 Jun 95 19:08 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vacation Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 23:03:50 AST Message-ID: <9516230350.11F1> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Jun 1995 14:12:11 PDT, gjr@daver.bungi.com writes: >Hi Everyone, > >I will be going on vacation till July 5. Any administrative details >(like adding and deleting) will be postponed until then. > >See you all, > >Glenna > >-- Hi Glenna, Have a great vacation....and hope you have great weather. Regards, Wayne. From owner-glass Fri Jun 16 20:10:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMoGQ-0000Pua; Fri, 16 Jun 95 20:09 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Howard will be leaving the computer! Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: <199506170310.AA29138@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I, too will be going wawy for awhile. I will be gone from July, 10 to August 11. We will be in NYC, DC, Florida, Israelgypt, and Jordan. I have been talking to people in Egypt, and Israel, and some invitations for dinner and contacts to make to be given more of a personal look at those countries. The net is a wonderful tool to make contacts and start friendships all over the world. I will be glad to answer any posts that I can, and will miss the list while I am away. Enjoy...Howard From owner-glass Fri Jun 16 20:14:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMoKr-0000cEa; Fri, 16 Jun 95 20:14 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Proposed glass newsgroup Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 20:14:54 -0700 Message-ID: <199506170314.AA29773@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This si Howard, while my knowledge of lampmaking is fair, I do not know anything about the newsgroups. I do not know if my server even will access the proposed one. QUESTION: How do I see (access) the glass news group. I go to this list by my son, who got me on from his service(teleport). Here is someone's chance to "advise"me. enjoy From owner-glass Fri Jun 16 21:46:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMpl5-0000dGa; Fri, 16 Jun 95 21:45 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: cpcn.com!maruca From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora) Subject: why leave your computer? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <9506170444.AA02494@info.cpcn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, if you love the list so much, why not take a notebook computer with you? Of all the things I leave home, my Powerbook is never among them. Think of all the notes and sketches you can carry like that.... From owner-glass Sat Jun 17 00:06:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sMrxc-0000Wua; Sat, 17 Jun 95 00:06 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: why leave your computer? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 00:07:12 -0700 Message-ID: <199506170707.AA16524@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If I had a power book would take it, assuming the hookups and phones were available. In the states probably will have a computer available, and possibly the contacts (they did contact me) will have one available also. from your suggestion, I MAY not unsubscribe to the glass list while I am away. Then again, getting away may be good, too. After reading your E-Mail name, I am intrigued as to its conversion into???? I am not so adventsuresome at the computer as I am at other stuff,and usually rely on my son for help. Later... Enjoy From owner-glass Sat Jun 17 17:28:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sN7tm-0000Qla; Sat, 17 Jun 95 17:07 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Howard will be leaving the computer! Date: Sat, 17 Jun 95 17:03:57 18000 Message-ID: <199506172104.RAA20798@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<199506170310.AA29138@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > > I, too will be going wawy for awhile. I will be gone from July, 10 > to August 11. We will be in NYC, DC, Florida, Israelgypt, and > Jordan. I have been talking to people in Egypt, and Israel, and some > invitations for dinner and contacts to make to be given more of a > personal look at those countries. The net is a wonderful tool to > make contacts and start friendships all over the world. > I will be glad to answer any posts that I can, and will miss the list > while I am away. > Enjoy...Howard > -- Howard, one could be green with envy! Going on such a trip without us -- anyway, with or without the glass list - and your computer -- have a grand time. Hope you get to soak up some nice Florida Sunshine - I assume you are tavelling to the *good* part of this lovely state! We'll miss your advice while you are away. - Regards, UrselH from Northern Florida (difinitely a very good part of Florida) :-)) PS - Also lots of vacation fun to Glenna, without whom this list wouldn't exist! e From owner-glass Sat Jun 17 22:20:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNCay-0000Owa; Sat, 17 Jun 95 22:08 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Howard will be leaving the computer! Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 20:49:39 -0700 Message-ID: <199506180349.AA19467@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk hello to you all...what no glass questions...has everyone mastered lamps? To Ursel, We are going to the Boca Raton area and points near there, as my wife has uncles and aunts scattered in the area. Her mother lives in Boca and does not drive, one of my wife's sister also lives real close, and we will meet some of the other relatives who live out of state there also, kind of like a mini family re-union. As a warm up for this my wife's mother-in-law is coming to Portland next Saturday, and wil stay with us on the coast for about a week. Other family will meet us in DC and some will meet us in NYC (the NJ people). When we leave the country, we will be on our own, and only have scheduled hotels for staying at. There are some optional tours and with the help of the people we have met on the list, we should be able to see the best of the places...a personal touch is something not to take lightly. We still correspond with friends we have made in Salonika from our last trip. still lots of time though... enjoy From owner-glass Sat Jun 17 23:29:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNDbb-0000Vqa; Sat, 17 Jun 95 23:13 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: cpcn.com!maruca From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora) Subject: Howard's queries Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:34:30 -0400 Message-ID: <9506180234.AA02258@info.cpcn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Howard! I've tried several times to send you a private note, but there is something wrong with the address that appears along with your posts. I really thik discussing my net name is off-topic here, so write me directly and I'll forward my much bounced note. Maruca@cpcn.com From owner-glass Sun Jun 18 12:51:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNQND-0000OJa; Sun, 18 Jun 95 12:51 PDT X-Path: aol.com!LBettin From: LBettin@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Vacation Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: <950618155103_73301270@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all you glass buddies. Been reading all the vacation plans with interest and envy for all the exciting places you all are going to visit. I am going to be off on my own excursion starting this Tuesday for two weeks. The place is not so glamorous -- Los Angeles and Newport Beach. Or at least not glamorous to me since I spent my first 44 years there and have now been in Carson City, NV for 5 years. But I am excited because I am visiting a "beau" and we are celebrating our 50th birthdays -- mine was in Feb. last and his is in Sept. next. We have tickets to Miss Saigon and are wearing our formal attire for the evening. I feel like a kid. Ha. I'll be back after July 4 and look forward to catching up on the list news and hearing of all the exotic places our members have seen. Enjoy, Laura From owner-glass Sun Jun 18 13:14:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNQjY-0000MQa; Sun, 18 Jun 95 13:14 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Proposed glass newsgroup Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 13:13:25 -0700 Message-ID: <199506182013.NAA18763@ix7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Howard (and all)...this is Matt Newsgroups are similar to email lists except you can read the postings at your leisure and do not have to subscribe (although you can). Think of the newsgroups as bulliten boards that are able to be read by anyone on the Internet all over the world. Anyway, all the major Internet providers have access to newsgroups. AOL and Compuserve have somewhat limited access (but I know that you can email the administrators if you want access to additional newgroups). Howard, I know some educational and governmental institutions offer access to newsgroups. Before you talk to your son, perhaps you should talk to your wife about what access is provided by her school. If anyone has any more questions, or suggestions, I'm always here. Matt From owner-glass Sun Jun 18 15:58:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNTHp-0000TFa; Sun, 18 Jun 95 15:57 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Howard's queries Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 15:58:26 -0700 Message-ID: <199506182258.AA21046@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, this is Howard. Maybe you're having trouble getting directly to me because my address is confusing. It's erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov after ednet, use the number "1" (not an L) after os, use a lower case L (not a one). This has many folks confused. Try again. Thanks, Howard From owner-glass Mon Jun 19 02:55:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNdXY-0000Xda; Mon, 19 Jun 95 02:54 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Proposed glass newsgroup Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 05:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995Jun19.15426.0> References: <<199506182013.NAA18763@ix7.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just because your system has newsgroup capabilities does not mean you can get access to all of them. As I understand it, the system administrator decides what is or is not available to the people using that server. I am not able to read several newgroups that I know are out there. My system administrator chooses not to make them available. Supposedly there is a way to read them via email but I don't know how it is done? Does anybody know? Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Mon Jun 19 17:35:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNrFb-0000X6a; Mon, 19 Jun 95 17:33 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Proposed glass newsgroup Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 17:31:52 -0700 Message-ID: <199506200031.RAA15310@ix6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi...this is Matt I don't know about reading newsgroups via email, but have you tried contacting your system administrator? Perhaps there are others on your system who may add to the weight of your request by also expressing interest. From owner-glass Mon Jun 19 18:43:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNsLF-0000R6a; Mon, 19 Jun 95 18:43 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glazing Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:42:02 -0700 Message-ID: <199506200142.SAA01823@ix3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Matt and Terry here, They always say that the only stupid question is the one that's not asked..so here goes...What is glazing? I've read about it a couple of times. I perceive that it's a way of sealing panels for use in windows, but I'm not sure. Can someone explain? Thanks From owner-glass Mon Jun 19 19:08:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNsif-0000Ula; Mon, 19 Jun 95 19:07 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Proposed glass newsgroup Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:07:44 -0700 Message-ID: <199506200207.AA15722@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, here...after pleading ignorance,and alll the other reasons for asking someone else to do my work on the net, i got into the news-groups...there went al last night and some of this morning. It seems that the system has been having trouble, and is fina;lly up. The director says he will handle all the .topics. i I may regret the time i will spend on it. Thank for all the help in hunting the entry to them. Enjoy -- From owner-glass Mon Jun 19 19:29:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNt3c-0000Yla; Mon, 19 Jun 95 19:28 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glazing Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:29:32 -0700 Message-ID: <199506200229.AA20079@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk me again, Time to refer to you as M&T, I do no came work, and very ferw windows, but my best guess that glazing does indeed refer to putting the MESSY putty (glazing compound) between the glass and the overlap of the came. Its purpose was to make the windows water- tight, and to be rattle free, but how many windows are directly exposed to the outside any more? You will probably get other responses on that question. -- From owner-glass Mon Jun 19 19:40:32 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sNtDn-0000D4a; Mon, 19 Jun 95 19:39 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glazing Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995Jun19.183853.0> References: <<199506200229.AA20079@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The glazing and subsequent cleaning of a came window is a lot of work and I am allergic to something in that process (besides the work). I itch for days afterwards. The glazing does add support and should be done on all larger panels whether they are for inside or outside installation. If anybody needs it, I have the recipe for making your own glazing compound. It is a lot cheaper and easier to use than the black stuff on the market. Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 05:42:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sO2cu-0000Lqa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 05:41 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:33:19 EDT Message-ID: <950620.083807.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, I'm not on vacation yet (and not sure yet when or where) (I usually go visit family in Vermont for a week, but it was an unheardof 100 degrees in Burlington VT yesterday!) So---here's a question for you all. What do you do with your scrap? I use a lot of textured clears, and I put together what I call patchworks. I start arranging the bits into pleasing patterns, trim them here and there, foil, solder...people love them! But again, I have a box full of gray scraps that just sit there...Maybe some gray and pink art decoish design. Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 09:58:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sO6bm-0000Mla; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:57 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glazing Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:57:32 EDT Message-ID: <199506201657.MAA28202@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<1995Jun19.183853.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > The glazing and subsequent cleaning of a came window is a lot of work and > I am allergic to something in that process (besides the work). I itch > for days afterwards. The glazing does add support and should be done on > all larger panels whether they are for inside or outside installation. > If anybody needs it, I have the recipe for making your own glazing > compound. It is a lot cheaper and easier to use than the black stuff on > the market. > > Sue > eiszler@cps.cmich.edu > > Hi Sue, You reminded me that I really have to get going on learning to do came work. My husband is making our dining room cabinetry and they sure would look good with some leaded doors. I would really like your recipe for the glazing compound. Also, purchasing the came by mail is quite expensive (shipping **and** pkg. cost), does anyone know of a good source (I'd be glad to purchase in quantity) here in the South - anywhere between Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando or Pensacola? Thanks in advance for the recipe and other info. UrselH - Happy soldering! -- e From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 10:10:37 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sO6oM-0000MBa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:10 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:10:05 EDT Message-ID: <199506201710.NAA28885@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<950620.083807.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Well, I'm not on vacation yet (and not sure yet when or where) (I usually > go visit family in Vermont for a week, but it was an unheardof 100 degrees > in Burlington VT yesterday!) So---here's a question for you all. What do > you do with your scrap? I use a lot of textured clears, and I put together > what I call patchworks. I start arranging the bits into pleasing patterns, > trim them here and there, foil, solder...people love them! But again, I > have a box full of gray scraps that just sit there...Maybe some gray and > pink art decoish design. > Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu > Hi, Dorothy - those New England friends of mine always ask: how can you stand **those** temperatures -- and look how hot its up there, ha! Anyway, I don't throw anything away, either, although my scraps are multicolor. I keep the smallest sizes because on occasion I make jewelry (pins and bolos mostly). Grinding and foiling those slivers is **fun**?? (you don't have to file your fingernails for a week after) but I consider it a challenge. Combine them with globs or glass beads, tiny shells or fossils, or bent wire shapes, or similar treasures. I also use this type of arrangement on my boxes. BTW, those gray scraps of yours would make interesting boxes, too. Your "patchwork" sounds like fun, is it like a crazy quilt? Anyway, hope this gives you some ideas. - Happy soldering! UrselH in N. Florida PS - what part of the country are you? - -- e From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 12:08:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sO8eC-00005Aa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:07 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:08:04 -0700 Message-ID: <199506201908.AA12193@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard, I have been saving scrap and segregating by color since I started(about 15 years ago). My goal is to do a large mural on three walls in a vestibule that separates the shpo from the house. I DO NOT intend to foil and solder, but will UV glue the tiles (scrap glass in small pieces...not sure if square or free form) to pieces of plate glass. Install the sections. I may fit the tiles tight or use spacers and grout...again not yet sure. I have 100's# of sarap in small pieces as "Tiff" style lamps do generate many small scraps. It is a long trem goal. I hope I can afford my own work as it will take a while...food for thought. -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 12:21:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sO8r7-0000Sua; Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:21 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glazing Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: <199506201921.AA14703@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Howard...Why came...you can get stronger and more detailed work in cu foil...just a thought. enjoy -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 13:04:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sO9Tr-0000GYa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:01 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:33:47 EDT Message-ID: <950620.153619.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199506201710.NAA28885@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yup, my patchwork is often like a crazy quilt, but if I have a lot of scraps, it can be quite structured. Just sold something that was basically in the shape of a chevron, with odds and ends and fancy soldering mixed in! I'm in Connecticut, about 15 miles west of Hartford Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 14:12:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOAa4-0000Wra; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:11 PDT X-Path: aol.com!NAPPERzzzz From: NAPPERzzzz@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Recipe for grout Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: <950620171114_74740016@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This has worked well for me.... 3 parts plaster of paris 3 parts whiting 1 part turpentine 1 part boiled linseed oil lampblack to color the mixture I also found a good tool to use to "pick" the bourders and joints of lead...it is called an embossing tool and crafters use it for stenciling but it works great around the came. Happy glassing...Sherry From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 16:16:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOCWZ-0000Oza; Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:16 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glazing Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:16:01 18000 Message-ID: <199506202316.TAA25906@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<199506201921.AA14703@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > > This is Howard...Why came...you can get stronger and more detailed > work in cu foil...just a thought. > enjoy > Howard, if you are asking me (UrselH), -- because I have not done it before and would like to learn. I **do** like the detail in foil, that's why I haven't done came up to now.... Happy soldering! -- e From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 16:25:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOCew-0000XOa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:24 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:24:47 18000 Message-ID: <199506202324.TAA26766@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<199506201908.AA12193@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > > > this is Howard, I have been saving scrap and segregating by color > since I started(about 15 years ago). My goal is to do a large mural > on three walls in a vestibule that separates the shpo from the house. > I DO NOT intend to foil and solder, but will UV glue the tiles > (scrap glass in small pieces...not sure if square or free form) to > pieces of plate glass. Install the sections. I may fit the tiles > tight or use spacers and grout...again not yet sure. I have 100's# of > sarap in small pieces as "Tiff" style lamps do generate many small > scraps. It is a long trem goal. I hope I can afford my own work as > it will take a while...food for thought. > Ursel here again, -- gosh I should be cleaning the shop or mow the lawn - and here I am playing with the computer ... Anyway, Howard, I had a similar idea: I am going to tile my kitchen late this fall and have decided on various sizes white tile, attached with tile bond in an irregular pattern. I plan to intersperse this with globs and glass shapes in dk. blue. I thought the adhesive would hold the glass ok since it holds the tiles. I was going to grout the whole thing with navy grout. What do you think? Is this going to hold up? Would the grout tend to scratch the glass? Have done tile work before, so I think I can handle this. Your comments would be greatly appreciated. PS - Boca Raton is definitely a very nice part of Florida - enjoy your time there! Thanks in advance - and happy soldering! Ursel H in N. FL -- e From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 17:10:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sODLe-0000XGa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 17:08 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not on vacation Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: <199506210009.AA16796@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard here, To Ursel... I too have done tile work, more forgiving tha glass, the cutter and grinder work on them, and they do not break as easy as glass. Now to business, the first problem may be the different thickness...glass to tile. Yes the mastic should also stick to the glass, however some of the adhesives will stick as they evorpate, or permeate through a porus tile(back)..glass is not porous. Experiment to see if the mastic will stick to and hold glass. There is a very strong chance that the grout will scratch the glass. If you use textured glass, it will be difficult to remov the excess grout from the glass. Again experiment with water to grout ratios on clear window first to see what if any scratching will occur. Thanks for your wishes for Boca...it should be ok enjoy -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 17:12:45 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sODOf-0000Wua; Tue, 20 Jun 95 17:11 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glazing Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:12:21 -0700 Message-ID: <199506210012.AA17530@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry Ursel, yes it was directed at you. Learning is a good reason for trying it...You may need to brace the window because of useage in doors that will be openable. Others may be more knowledgeable in bracing, however if needed i can put my opinion in, too Enjoy -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 19:17:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOFLa-0000VIa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:16 PDT X-Path: student.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: mosaics Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9506210216.AA24072@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi I'm new to the list and I have been reading about your interest in Glass Mosaics. I have been playing around with that for about a month or so...I have done some patio stones and I have done a few flower pots and I have found in my experiments, that some of the stuff that they use for tile doesn't work on the glass... the best things that I have used were the "Vicki Paynes Mosaic Glue" which is basically "Tacky Glue" that you can get at a craft store for about a third of the price and elmers glue....but it's not as strong as the "Tacky Glue". In the end the grout is what will give you your best support for holding the pieces in. I can tell you one thing though.... don't use silicone...I tried that to see what would happen and it wasn't worth the time. Another person at the glass store I work at used Contact Cement adn they said that that worked good...and it weathered out in the winter so it should be good for something inside. Ok those are my thoughts... :) Lisa From owner-glass Tue Jun 20 20:06:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOG6t-0000bwa; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:05 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaics Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: <199506210306.AA28328@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Lisa and the list...Howard here, If you are going to do mosaic glass work out side, why not just use a thin set cement. I have not yet decided to my mosaic, so by the time i get to it, there will probably be "new" products available. I think the main factor in sticking glass to something, is how the mastic will set. I have siliconed jewels as an overlay to glass, and they stuck real tight...super glue will work on two non-absorbent surfaces. There are also epoxies (two part) adhesives that when set are permanent. Clarification...I did not mean YOU specifically, but anyone who intends to inset glass for an outside project. enjoy -- From owner-glass Wed Jun 21 07:08:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOQPn-0000LKa; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:05 PDT X-Path: beijing.natinst.com!todd From: todd@beijing.natinst.com (Todd Brower) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: CU .vs. came Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:09:58 CDT Message-ID: <9506211409.AA07139@beijing.natinst.com.noname> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi glassers, I thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth since I usually just listen in on the conversations. My background (this seems to be the practice): I've worked with glass for about 1 year. Still a novice but gaining experience quickly. My girlfriend and I have done more that a dozen panels ranging from suncatcher size to 3ftx4ft and in came, copper foil, or both. We've also done two Tiffany lamps, a 14" nouveau (hers) and a 16" peony (mine). The lamps were great and I'm looking forward to my next one (more than likely with Howards advice 8> ). And now for the rest of the story.... I was told that if the panel in question is going to be moving (ie front door, cabinet door, ...) you should use came. They say the glass can flex better in a came joint than in a copper joint. My personal feeling is that the came joint does add a little more depth to a panel than copper and it seems you can choose from a wider variety of came shapes and sizes. It adds a lot of detail to a panel to use the thick came in some places and the very thin came in others on the same panel. The only other argument I can make for came is that it can cover up cutting booboos much easier than copper. I do like the fact that after you finish soldering a copper panel it's only a matter of patina and cleanup before you see the end result. That ends my rambling... Blue Skies Everyone, Todd Brower Oh by the way, in real life I play an electrical engineer who plays with silicon in a different form. Howard, Can I pick your brain (or anyone elses) for information on a Tiffany replica called the nautilus desk lamp? I was wondering about color selection. I only saw a black and white picture and was wondering what the original looked like. Any other info from anybody would be appreciated. Thanks Howard for your participation. From owner-glass Wed Jun 21 10:11:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOTII-0000O1a; Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:10 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: CU .vs. came Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:11:00 -0700 Message-ID: <199506211711.AA03716@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good morning to all...Howard here, Good to see a new name on the list (Todd). I actually have stuff to do today, before I get a chance to sit at the keyboard. I will post my ramblings on the Nautilius later today, along with other observations, too (you lucky people, you). later, enjoy -- From owner-glass Wed Jun 21 17:17:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOZwT-0000eka; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:16 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ooops... Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: <199506220016.AA21196@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To the list, and Todd...whatever posts were being saved went into cyber-space. So off the top of my head for answers...Yes, Yes, No, and 2 Maybes...seriously though, IMHO leaded doors will tend to sag and or stretch,and are more at risk from heavy useage. If you need the experience try zinc came, a hacksaw for cutting and you do not have to worry about melting zinc with a soldering iron. AS for your nautilus, the originals were usually pale to dark green, with a large amount of cream to white colors mixed in to the sheet. I have not done one, so I have no specific tips forassembly, however Due to many straight lines, I would suggest a jig for cutting and to possibly pre strip the glass to the correct height. If this is all alien to you, let me know and I can try to take it step by step. If you are enjoying it so much you cannot stop, cut a few combinations of colors and put them away for the future (another one later). Glad to see you become active (Todd) on the list. The more input, the better. Leaving for Portland tomorrow (dark and early) so back to work...Enjoy -- From owner-glass Wed Jun 21 19:23:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sObsa-0000Pea; Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:20 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: cement Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995Jun21.18205.0> References: <<199506220016.AA21196@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Since a number of you have asked me for the cement mixture for lead came construction, I'm going to be lazy and post it to the whole group instead printing it 6 times for individual responses. materials: 4 parts Whiting 2 parts Plaster of Paris 1 part Portland Cement 1 1/2 parts Turpentine 1 part boiled Linseed Oil mix all ingredients to the consistency of cake batter. This stuff will harden pretty quickly so mix just enough to do both sides of your project. And keep it covered while cementing the first side so that you don't have a rock when you are ready for the second side. I learned the hard way that it is a good idea to use an old shower curtain or other piece of plastic to protect your worksurface when using the cement. I have a permanent reminder on our picnic table. Also, in the dead of winter, I tried this process in the house ONCE. The Whiting that you use to clean the excess cement off is worse than dry wall dust to clean up. To quote Howard, enjoy... Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Wed Jun 21 20:45:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOdAG-0000Qza; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:42 PDT X-Path: student.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaics Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9506220342.AA27341@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> References: <<199506210306.AA28328@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If you are going to do mosaic glass work out side, why not just > use a thin set cement. That is how I make patio stones...I pour regular RediMix into the forms that I make for the stones....it's real easy to do. Lisa From owner-glass Wed Jun 21 20:54:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOdIh-0000bwa; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:51 PDT X-Path: student.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: CU .vs. came Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9506220351.AA23899@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> References: <<9506211409.AA07139@beijing.natinst.com.noname>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Can I pick your brain (or anyone elses) for information on > a Tiffany replica called the nautilus desk lamp? I was > wondering about color selection. I only saw a black and > white picture and was wondering what the original looked > like. Any other info from anybody would be appreciated. > Well here's my two cents... the Nautilus that we have int he store was done with, I think and Armstrong White and Amber Iridescent glass... it looks real neat all done because the pieces are small... I can check at work tomorrow if you want specifics :) Lisa From owner-glass Thu Jun 22 18:37:17 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOxeY-0000d6a; Thu, 22 Jun 95 18:35 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 18:34:16 -0700 Message-ID: <199506230134.SAA14181@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Howard and everyone, this is Terry and Matt... Howard, what do you mean by cutting combinations and saving for later? Also, is there a good formula for pricing panels? We're going to provide a proposal to a potential client who wants a panel window installed in her kitchen. We've asked around our area and have been told that $50.00/sq. ft. + $1.00/piece of glass give or take a few percentage points for difficulty, is a good formula. Does anybody have any other ideas? We also heard another idea from a questionable source that we'd like to bounce off the group. For soldering lamps, it was suggested that the primary soldering be completed using 50/50 and then do the finishing bead using 60/40. Has anyone ever heard of this? What's the advantage, if any. That's it. thanks in advance. P.S...has anyone ever had problems with bats? Does anybody have any suggestions? From owner-glass Fri Jun 23 05:24:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sP7lL-0000iha; Fri, 23 Jun 95 05:23 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:17:00 EDT Message-ID: <950623.081835.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199506230134.SAA14181@ix4.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bats? The flying kid? If they're in your yard, they're busy eating mosquitos and other bugs, so what's the problem? They aren't interested in YOU. If they're in your house, that's another story. Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Fri Jun 23 05:51:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sP8As-0000Mla; Fri, 23 Jun 95 05:49 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 05:48:24 -0700 Message-ID: <199506231248.FAA22412@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >Bats? The flying kid? If they're in your yard, they're busy eating >mosquitos and other bugs, so what's the problem? They aren't >interested in YOU. If they're in your house, that's another story. > >Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu > I wouldn't mind if they were only in the yard. But, they are indeed in the house... In one year we have encountered four of them in the house and trust me, it's no picnick. From owner-glass Fri Jun 23 06:59:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sP9Fh-0000sda; Fri, 23 Jun 95 06:58 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 09:47:10 EDT Message-ID: <950623.095439.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199506231248.FAA22412@ix5.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Years ago, when I was in college, I did clerical work in a new factory. When the building was enclosed, so were lots of bats that had been roosting in the rafters. The maintenance gentlemen would freeze them by spraying them from a tank of liquid nitrogen ... but I don't think that's the answer you seek. (One of the aforementioned gentlemen left a dead bat on my desk to scare me. Instead I put it in a box and announced that I was going to take it home and put it my freezer so that I could make a study skin - I was a zoology student . They NEVER bothered me again! The gentlemen, not the bats.) Maybe the extension service of your state dept. of agriculture could help. Way off topic, aren't we? Well, I'm putting stuff in a local craft mall and have been told that customers are asking for night lights, would I please make some? So guess what I'm doing next week (no prizes). Any suggestions for nice but QUICK nightlights? I haven't done many. Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Fri Jun 23 07:15:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sP9Vf-0000QPa; Fri, 23 Jun 95 07:15 PDT X-Path: beijing.natinst.com!todd From: todd@beijing.natinst.com (Todd Brower) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 09:19:20 CDT Message-ID: <9506231419.AA08412@beijing.natinst.com.noname> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Make a stained glass bat house for them outside 8> From owner-glass Fri Jun 23 20:20:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sPLkN-0000hWa; Fri, 23 Jun 95 20:19 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 20:18:03 -0700 Message-ID: <199506240318.UAA09434@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Dorothy and All, this is Terry. The Liquid Nitrogen approach is one I hadn't thought of, interesting - yes, but I agree it is somewhat impractical. Oh, and the Glass bathouse was a good one too - but I don't want the little devils to enjoy themselves... A quick and easy night light is one I recently discovered and that's filligree - it's great and people really seem to like them. Warner-Crivellaro has some good one's. Also, try a half moon mounted on the standard backing with some thin-wispy scrap white, giving it a cloud effect. These work up quickly and look great lit. Hope I helped... Later everyone, Terry.(AKA the BATLADY) From owner-glass Sat Jun 24 06:24:53 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sPVBr-0000IZa; Sat, 24 Jun 95 06:24 PDT X-Path: llc.org!kevans From: kevans@LLC.org (K.-Benoit Evans) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Canadian suppliers Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:23:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199506241320.JAA27117@clic1.qbc.clic.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me the addresses of any stained-glass suppliers (glass and equipment) in Canada that have a good mail-order catalog? Thanks, Benoit Evans Quebec (Canada) From owner-glass Sat Jun 24 20:23:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sPiHF-0000C6a; Sat, 24 Jun 95 20:22 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 20:23:15 -0700 Message-ID: <199506250323.AA19950@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk hello Matt and the list, too. Howard here and at his son's computer and keyboard,,,this qualifies as an away post. As for the switching of solder contents, why bother, if you can melt and flow 50/50 stay with it. As for pricing panels, I usually estimate around $300. per sq/ft. I rarely get those commissions,but when I do, Ican do very fine (small) piece work, and they usually lead to more high end ones. Again, you must remember that I do mainly lamps. Are you also figuring delivery, installation, art work, and any changes??? quote a higher per sq/ft and offer a referral fee for any commission she may generate for you. Just as an observation also, the source for the figures for quoting came from a competitor??? As an aside, it is very hard to disappoint a cynic. Offer a special...same design... 2 or more windows and then discount the higher price. The comment for multiplies means, that if you set a jig to do repeat straight line cuts, make sure they fit and cut more than one of the project. You can save the cut pieces for another time and assemble them whenever, I sometimes will cut 10 sets of panels for lamps, and only assemble a few. A simple on the text screen example is to take 3 opal colors cut three sets of panels from the 3 colors, split each panel in thirds (horizontaly and re-assmble with the alternating colors in each panel. That is how to produce 3 different lamps fron one set up. If unclear let me know and we can go through it again. Portland is aout 30 degrees warmer than the coast, and I am up stairs, too. Time for a beverage break...enjoy I will check some of the other posts tomorrow and expound in great depth more (useless) tips. bye -- From owner-glass Sun Jun 25 08:40:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sPtmq-0000XWa; Sun, 25 Jun 95 08:39 PDT X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!cutler From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:39:42 EDT Message-ID: <1995Jun25.153942.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, you are too modest. The tips regarding production for lamps are VERY helpful. The pricing guide should be included as well. Thanks for being so generous with your advice. I know I - and others too, I'm sure - really find your guidance very encouraging. Bob cutler From owner-glass Sun Jun 25 12:51:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sPxgC-0000Vca; Sun, 25 Jun 95 12:49 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 12:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: <199506251948.MAA00831@ix7.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Matt And Terry Here.. We'd like to share some opinions and observations and would like anyone to post their opinions of same. We went to our first wholesaler yesterday and walked into a dreamworld of glass!! All the glass by all the majors. All the colors, all the mixes, needless to say, we've been talking about it ever since. While we were there we we told some things and noted the following: 1. Wissmach and Yohogany are in short supply this summer. So short that the hobby-packs and sample boxes are virtually unavailable. Has anyone else experienced this? 2. Spectrum is very consistent and predictable, but kind of boring and without much personality, reasonably priced. 3. Wissmach is somewhat consistent and predictable, but much more original in color mixes and patterns, very reasonably priced. 4. We've been told that Wissmach cuts just a good as Spectrum....true? 5. Yohogany and Uroboros definately have the most original and interesting colors and patterns. Less consistant than others and a little more expensive. 6. Armstrong and Bullseye have, so far, left us unimpressed. Some interesting colors, but not very consistent and, in our experience, some of the worst cutting glass available. Has anyone had good experiences with some particular stocks from either? 7. One final observation....no matter how expensive it is, you can never get enough. We look forward to comments. From owner-glass Sun Jun 25 16:11:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQ0pR-0000sua; Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:11 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:11:41 -0700 Message-ID: <199506252311.AA05820@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard here... A point to remember is that from a sample box that a 2x3" sample is and probably will not be a full representation of the sheet even in machine made glass. Any time you mess around with hand-made stuff, Bull, Uro, Yock to name a few, they will never look like the sample. AGAIN, I mean multi-color opals. Cathedrals are clear and generally will be the same as the sample. When I do p[roduction stuff, I only uae Spectrum (availability, cutting consistant, matchability,). My outlets can give me the lamp number,and from my card file, can match the color style and size without ever seeing the shade being duplicated. For the major pieces, I NEVER use a production glass, but draw on curious, and or one time runsd of glass. I have almost no cathedrals, and no sna, or gna. I keep a deep pallete of bull, uro, and yock for my "Tiffanies". Foe my re-sale to students the Spectrum sample box works well for beginners and panel lamps. They all aspire to get into a major piece, be it either lamp or panel (window) and are drooling to get their hands on the good stuff. I sell them NOYT cheap,and usually suggest more than they need as most of it can not be matched later. I also encourage them to take commissions for money...that way I usually get a piece of most sales...if a stranger put work in a gallery and sold it, I got a piece of nothing. A tip for all you listeners...When cutting hand-made glass, try to use LESS pressure on the cutter...harder ain't better!!!! If a glass is in short supply,why try to buy it and get more later??? As you gain more experience most of the stuff cuts well enough to be used without having to allow for cutability. There are times when you have to let the glass "win" and try a different approach. Doing glass is supposed to be fun...do not fight it. As usual, I runneth over again...enjoy -- From owner-glass Sun Jun 25 16:17:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQ0uo-0000LHa; Sun, 25 Jun 95 16:16 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Canadian suppliers Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:17:14 -0700 Message-ID: <199506252317.AA06685@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is howard, out of order... To K. Benoit Evans, without my doing the hunting for you through my wholeaslers, try H.L. Worden at 1-800-541-1103 and ask who are his Canadian distributors, and state what you want. A good contact person would be David...you may mention my name(but do not hold the phone to close)...you never know what I might have said to him. -- From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 05:09:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQCyN-0000WKa; Mon, 26 Jun 95 05:09 PDT X-Path: freenet.carleton.ca!au179 From: au179@freenet.carleton.ca (Duane Hess) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Canadian suppliers Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:08:52 -0400 Message-ID: <199506261208.IAA14105@freenet3.carleton.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You can try The Glass Place 50 Ste-Anne Pointe-Claire Quebec H9S 4P8 Toll Free 1-800-363-7855 They put a fairly good catalogue with several updates throughout the year with any specials, etc. From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 06:49:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQEWd-0000Z1a; Mon, 26 Jun 95 06:48 PDT X-Path: bnr.ca!dbrunner From: "deb (d.) brunner-walker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Bird Feeders Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:37:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1995Jun26.5370.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Anybody seen/done any stained glass bird feeders? I got this brainstorm the other day as I watched my neighbor struggle to erect an ugly plastic one and decided I can do better. I figger it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a simple pattern. Shrinking and modifying a simple panal lamp pattern and adding a bottom should do it. Any ideas? Deb Brunner-Walker Ottawa, Canada From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 06:54:27 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQEcC-0000D4a; Mon, 26 Jun 95 06:54 PDT X-Path: Augustana.edu!SWSEAHOLM From: "Jill Seaholm" To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: caulk recipes Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:52:43 CST Message-ID: <1995Jun26.145243.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL Precedence: bulk I'm afraid our college's network crashed late last week and I lost several things I'd meant to save. Could some fine person please send me the (at least 2) recipes I saw for making grout/caulk here on the list last week. Much obliged. Jill (no, I haven't done a thing with the peacock shade in months) From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 10:04:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQHaF-0000Eqa; Mon, 26 Jun 95 10:04 PDT X-Path: ESUVM.EMPORIA.EDU!esumail.emporia.edu!MOOREDWI From: Dwight Moore To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Bird Feeders -Reply Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The problem with the stained glass bird feeder, would be if it got wet or even moist, a significant amount of lead could leach into the seeds. This, of course, would cause a significant, perhaps fatal, case of lead poisoning. It might work if you could coat the came or lead bead with something to keep moister from it. Good luck with your design. Have fun and take care Dwight Moore mooredwi@esumail.emporia.edu From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 11:57:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQJKl-0000LJa; Mon, 26 Jun 95 11:56 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 14:51:13 EDT Message-ID: <950626.145232.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1995Jun26.5370.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LEAD>>>don't want those birdies peeking at the lead while trying to get seeds! And if you use leadless solder, I'd still be concerned about whatever metals are involved! Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 15:14:11 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQMOT-0000O1a; Mon, 26 Jun 95 15:12 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders -Reply Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:06:35 -0700 Message-ID: <199506262206.AA08068@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk if it is good enough for us...use it on the birds, too. Lead fre solder That is Lead Free Solder -- From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 19:47:03 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQQei-0000WLa; Mon, 26 Jun 95 19:45 PDT X-Path: student.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 22:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9506270245.AA89804@pilot06.cl.msu.edu> References: <<1995Jun26.5370.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello I would be concerned with the lead...like everyone else said but you could also coat the solder lines with a thin layer of clear silicone too... that is if you really have your heart set on a glass bird house/feeder. Lisa From owner-glass Mon Jun 26 20:09:16 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQQzP-0000WQa; Mon, 26 Jun 95 20:07 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:07:48 -0700 Message-ID: <199506270307.AA09997@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Another possibility is to use zinc came, and lead free solder to put it together. How about wood with a glass insert as another option. Do not forget the old adage" Birds who live in glass houses, should not eat off the floors". -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 27 02:07:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQWcP-0000b9a; Tue, 27 Jun 95 02:07 PDT X-Path: inlink.com!idris From: idris@inlink.com (Gerald L. Collins) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders -Reply Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 01:28:24 EDT Message-ID: <199506270611.BAA28792@vulcan.inlink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:04:27 -0500 you wrote: >The problem with the stained glass bird feeder, would be if it >got wet or even moist, a significant amount of lead could >leach into the seeds. This, of course, would cause a >significant, perhaps fatal, case of lead poisoning. It might >work if you could coat the came or lead bead with something >to keep moister from it. >Good luck with your design. > >Have fun and take care >Dwight Moore >mooredwi@esumail.emporia.edu > This problem could be avoided by using a zinc or brass came, (both of which are stronger than lead), and a lead free solder. Jerry //------------------------------------------------------------ Gerald L. Collins -------------------- Collins Consulting Services From owner-glass Tue Jun 27 10:48:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQekU-0000Zka; Tue, 27 Jun 95 10:48 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:27:32 EDT Message-ID: <013.08039703.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Deb - finally got back online after a week of houseguests and saw your post. There is a bird feeder pattern in a SG pattern book called Simply Outside by Suzannne Cooper, which looks much like what you describe. Lead free solder is recommended, followed by clear silicone spray overall to help seal out the elements. The book is intended for "beginner to intermediate". Perhaps a look at the design would be enough to give you ideas for your own approach. Peggy From owner-glass Tue Jun 27 11:15:15 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQfA3-0000UHa; Tue, 27 Jun 95 11:14 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:27:28 EDT Message-ID: <013.08039702.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Hi Matt and Terry - Just saw your post while catching up with the mail. You've pretty much covered what I believe about the glass types, too. I love the art glasses, particularly Yogo and Uro (with thanks to Howard for the abbreviations. One can only write Youghiogheny so many times!) I haven't found them hard to cut, but have used up my share of 'phrases Mother never taught me' on Bullseye 1112! Don't know if the ripples are throwing me off, or what, but the stuff refuses to break on the score line. I had similar bad luck with a sheet of Spectrum pink/blue streaky on white. I asked someone with years of cutting experience to try it, with the same result. We decided it must be a non-conformist sheet and gave up. Haven't tried Wissmach, so can't comment. I was also told that Yogo wasn't available recently. As for getting enough glass: the amount of glass I buy seems to be limited only by my ingenuity in finding room to store it. I suspect there's material here for a 12-step program for compulsive buyers of glass! Peggy From owner-glass Tue Jun 27 15:00:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQifm-0000ala; Tue, 27 Jun 95 14:59 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: <199506272200.AA00388@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk to the list at large...when messing around(cutting) the bulls, uro, yogo, AGAIN...a very light score, if you can se the surface of the glass being crushed (frosty score) you done gone too heavy. Practice on some double window scoring lightly. Minimze tapping, and if you use a runner, BE GENTLE with a little pressure at a time. If the score starts to run and seems to stall, try again on the other end of the score line. Make sure you are standing on the correct foot, and hold your tongue between your teeth lightly, too. As you get better you may eliminate the last two suggestions.ENJOY -- From owner-glass Tue Jun 27 17:08:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQkg8-00004ia; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:08 PDT X-Path: pucc.PRINCETON.EDU!ESUVM.BITNET!MOORECIN From: Cindy Moore To: list Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 13:45:43 CST Message-ID: <9506271902.AA01405@uucp-gw-2.pa.dec.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What kind of bats? Are they in your attic? If so, you can just wait until they emerge in the even ing and then seal up the entrance (or entrances) to the attic. I would like to hear more about your bats. Cindy (a biology student at ESU) From owner-glass Wed Jun 28 05:39:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sQwOm-00002za; Wed, 28 Jun 95 05:39 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy Kalahan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 08:33:23 EDT Message-ID: <950628.083507.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199506272200.AA00388@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NEVER, never clench your teeth while running glass. And I believe I shift my weight to my left foot since I am holding the running pliers in my right hand. Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Wed Jun 28 14:07:56 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sR4IH-0000Lga; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:05 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:03:46 -0700 Message-ID: <199506282103.OAA15820@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Cindy, this is Terry, I wish our Bat problem was so simple... Unfortunately we don't have an attic and no-one can quite figure out why the darn things like our houses so much. Our house, and our neighbors houses are kind of stucco-alamoish odities with flat rooves. We have an exterminator coming tonight - so hopefully we'll find out more then... talk to you later. From owner-glass Thu Jun 29 14:04:44 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sRQkq-0000aYa; Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:04 PDT X-Path: exis.net!pbornem From: pbornem@exis.net (Phil Bornemeier) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ooops... Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:01:09 -0400 Message-ID: <199506292129.RAA05352@marlin.exchange.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Terry, Since the discussion is showing up here, I thought I'd put in a few syllables worth >I wish our Bat problem was so simple... > >Unfortunately we don't have an attic and no-one can quite figure out >why the darn things like our houses so much. Our house, and our >neighbors houses are kind of stucco-alamoish odities with flat rooves. > >We have an exterminator coming tonight - so hopefully we'll find out >more then... Please check with a wildlife rehabilitator in your area. You may find them listed in the phone book, or talk to your municipal animal control department -- they can give you a reference. Bats are great bug eaters. Consider having them removed/relocated vice exterminated. If you like I can get you some plans for bat houses that you could attach to the outside of your house, or to nearby trees. The bats might choose to live in them vice inside your home. Please let me know if/where I can send/fax you the info. -- pbornem@exis.net Not making a choice Phil Bornemeier is making a choice. It is a choice to stay where you are. ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-glass Thu Jun 29 18:07:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sRUWr-0000Mha; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:05 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:04:47 EDT Message-ID: <013.08136821.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- >NEVER, never clench your teeth while running glass. ....especially while following Howard's instructions regarding tongue between teeth! From owner-glass Thu Jun 29 18:52:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sRVEW-0000b3a; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:51 PDT X-Path: student.msu.edu!rosochac From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Bird Feeders Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 21:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9506300150.AA18758@pilot09.cl.msu.edu> References: <<013.08039703.MPGP79B@prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk there is also a book called "For the Birds" and it is all bird houses... we made one at the store and in about 10 minutes of it being done we sold the last book we had... there are a few neat designs in it if you want to do a bird house. Lisa