From owner-glass Mon May 1 07:06:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s5w6a-0000F0a; Mon, 1 May 95 07:05 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy Kalahan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: field trip Date: Mon, 01 May 95 09:52:13 EDT Message-ID: <950501.095524.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Last summer, on a "field trip" my husband and I went to Corning, NY to visit the museum at the Corning Glass Works. Thw town is, of course, glass heaven. We did not have nearly enough time on our flying weekend trip. The museum is fascinating. Then go through the shops downtown. Are there other glass vacation destinations you all know about? Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Mon May 1 11:16:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s5zyy-0000QLa; Mon, 1 May 95 11:14 PDT X-Path: Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@Camosun.BC.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 11:13:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1995May1.31323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Laura, Yes I am merely a hobbist, I don't feel my work is refined enough to sell at this stage. I love doing stain glass work, but my time is very limited, with working , trying to keep in shape, gardening, making lampshades, and being a wife and mother leaves little time for the passion I have for stain glass work, anyway I have been working on a window for a door in my house and it's getting to the stage that I just want to finish it, and get on to something else, well I will soon have the time since I have a two month layoff, so I can't complain anyway enjoy!! Donna!!! From owner-glass Mon May 1 13:33:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s629c-0000UOa; Mon, 1 May 95 13:33 PDT X-Path: umd5.umd.edu!santilla From: Kristina Santilla To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: field trip Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995May1.123248.0> References: <<950501.095524.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 May 1995, Dorothy Kalahan wrote: > Are there other glass vacation destinations you all know about? > Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu > Dorothy, The New Morse Museum in Winter Park Florida should be open by now, Last I heard it would be March of '95. It has in its collection a massive 9 foot Tiffany electrolier (chandelier), which hasn't been displayed since 1957, and a series of Tiffany french doors 10' high by 11' wide altogether. The collection rotates, so out of 4000 pieces, 70 of which are stained glass windows (40 by Tiffany), only a portion will be shown at any time. This is on my "to do" list for this summer. (I think this is close to DisneyWorld. It's on the corner of Park Ave. and Canton Ave. in Winter Park.) From owner-glass Mon May 1 17:09:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s65WB-0000TYa; Mon, 1 May 95 17:08 PDT X-Path: umd5.umd.edu!santilla From: Kristina Santilla To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass shows, etc. Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have seen somewhere that there is some kind of stained glass show (yearly?) in Las Vegas. Does anyone know anything about this, and is it just for commercial resalers? Are there others? What about glass competitions or juried shows that are strictly glass? Are there any decent magazines for the stained glass artist? I don't mean pattern magazines. I pick up the free Stained Glass News (or whatever it's called) monthly at the closest supplier, but would like to read something of more substance. I know that there is a Stained Glass Association. Does anyone belong? If so, is it worth belonging to? I am obviosly new to this craft and extremely uninformed! Thanks in advance. Krisi Santilla Santilla@umd5.umd.edu From owner-glass Mon May 1 18:16:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s66Z3-0000SQa; Mon, 1 May 95 18:15 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: colors in Tiffanies Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 21:02:17 EDT Message-ID: <013.06093679.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Thanks to those who responded to my questions about resource books. I actually already have the postcards of the lamps, but they're too small to be of much value in looking at color detail. My immediate interest was in finding out which of the books gave the most information both in description and color plates, since I haven't found a way of simply looking at them without ordering them. I didn't want to end up with a copy of Tiffany's original price list with black and white line drawings of lamp bases, which is what I found in a bookstore one day. So I thank you for your kind offers and advice. I will remember them as soon as I'm ready to take the plunge! Peggy Howard, your email arrived, but I've run out of spare minutes! Will reply ASAP - thanks! :-) From owner-glass Mon May 1 19:08:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s67Nm-0000Rya; Mon, 1 May 95 19:08 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: colors in Tiffanies Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 19:08:28 -0700 Message-ID: <199505020208.AA12210@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy, this is Howard...If the line drawing book is still around and convenient to look at, I would like a little info... old, prices, etc. (Tiffany) and asking price for the book. You did get my offer for the Nuestadt book? Enjoy From owner-glass Tue May 2 05:55:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s6HTI-0000OPa; Tue, 2 May 95 05:54 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: more field trips Date: Tue, 02 May 95 08:49:24 EDT Message-ID: <950502.085347.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Since I asked about glass vacations, I suppose I ought to tell you what's available right here in Connecticut, for anyone coming into the area.... Right now, and for the next few months (don't have the dates) the Mark Twain House in Hartford is featuring Tiffany works. The art museum on the main campus of the University of Connecticut at Storrs has a LARGE Tiffany collection. What is on exhibit may vary, but it is gorgeous. Dorothy (who is packing up for her first craft show of the spring , which means I have to take all the new stuff out of MY windows which now look naked!) From owner-glass Tue May 2 14:18:09 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s6PJV-0000owa; Tue, 2 May 95 14:17 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: glass shows, etc. Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 16:11:39 EDT Message-ID: <013.06123401.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Hi Kristina - Well, you asked for it! Below, a list of magazines and association addresses. Remember that prices are subject to change, and may not be current. Stained Glass Quarterly 6 SW 2nd St, Suite #7 Lee's Summit, MO 64063 $24.00 per year $7.00 single issue 800-888-7422 Glass Artist (formerly Professional SG Mag) 28 South State St. Newtown, PA 18940 $25.00 per year $6.00 single / bi-monthly Editor: Joe Porcelli (JoeP696993@AOL.COM) 1-800-786-8720 Glass Patterns Quarterly 502-222-563 8300 Hidden Valley Rd PO Box 131 Westport, KY 40077 $18.00 per year $4.00 per single copy. Stained Glass Association of America PO Box 22642 Kansas City, MO 64113 800-888-7422 Association of Stained Glass Lamp Artists, North East Chapter annual fees $15.00 per year open to all stained glass workers, sponsers shows & events, newsletter Write to: ASGLA, Northeast, Inc. PO Box 1235 Burlington, CT 06013 for 1995 calendar featuring lamps, write to: ASGLA 070 Cromwell Drive NW Gig Harbor, WA 98335 Glass Shows: (I know there is one in Portland, Oregon and one in Seattle, Wash., both in June, but have no details. Maybe Howard knows? Might be too late to sign up by now. The show in Las Vegas is annual, and took place in March. As I understand it, some shows have specific days which are open to the public, others are less restrictive. The sponsors will no doubt give all the necessary details on request. Shows are often advertised in the various glass magazines also.) 1. AGSA Glass Show 1996 Exhibit Dates: July 19, 20, 21, 1996 Nashville Convention Center Nashville, Tennessee 2. Glass Craft Festival '95 Holiday Inn North, Newark, NJ Nov 8-12, 95 AND 3. Glass Craft Festival '96 Ramada Resort 2900 Parkway Blvd Kissimmee, FL Feb 8-11 '96. For details of 2 and 3, contact Worldwide Glasscrafting 696 Palisade Ave Teaneck, NJ 07666 Tel 201-836-8940 Fax: 201-768-7057 As you can probably guess by now, I'm an information junkie! I frequently have more information than actual experience, so I'll leave you to investigate any leads that seem promising. Maybe you'll let us know how it works out? Peggy From owner-glass Tue May 2 18:07:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s6Stw-0000VQa; Tue, 2 May 95 18:06 PDT X-Path: calvin.stemnet.nf.ca!rcrane From: "Robert M. Crane" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: field trip Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 22:36:30 -0230 (NDT) Message-ID: <1995May2.194830.0> References: <<950501.095524.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I live in Eastern Canada and was wondering if anybody out there knew of any interesting workshops taking place during the months of July and August in the Eastern U.S. or Canada. (Not really heavy stuff, but I have been working with glass for a year or two and not" really" green) Lamp making would be nice but I am open to almost any learning experience.Thanks in anticipation of your reply, best of luck From owner-glass Wed May 3 18:56:10 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s6q7v-00002ha; Wed, 3 May 95 18:54 PDT X-Path: calvin.stemnet.nf.ca!rcrane From: "Robert M. Crane" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: field trip Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 23:24:29 -0230 (NDT) Message-ID: <1995May3.203629.0> References: <<1995May2.194830.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If there is somebody out there who has knowledge of workshops in stained glass in Eastern Canada or the North Eastern States during the months of July or August, I would appreciate knowing of them. Since I have worked a little in glass, I am not really interested in 'real' basic work but on the other hand I am not a 'real pro' either. If you know of one in your area, please let me know. Thanks From owner-glass Thu May 4 13:38:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s77e8-0000GWa; Thu, 4 May 95 13:37 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: trsde show Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:37:36 -0700 Message-ID: <199505042037.AA16609@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Trade Show To the list at large...This is Howard The trade show is scheduled for Seattle from June 21 to 25. It is open to businesses related to the Stained Glass Trade, and 3 pieces of I D will be required. There is a $25.00 fee to get in unless you are a member of ASGA, the minimum level of membership is $25.00. Although I can not give you specifics at this time, there is a workshop in Portland, (I think) on hot glass, by Gil Reynolds. CHECK with your full servive supplier(s) for the accurate and complete details for the above mentioned trade show. If any of you are planning a Westerly visit, Portland has 2 major glass manufacturers, Bullseye and Uroborus, call for visitations. The largest machine maker of glass is Spectrum, just outside of Seattle and also should be visistable. Pilchuk is also in the area, but i have no data to pass on to you. Hope all of you are well, and not doing too much "yard work", as it interferes with glass work. Enjoy From owner-glass Mon May 8 22:43:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s8i3I-0000Ota; Mon, 8 May 95 22:41 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: back to glass Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 22:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: <199505090541.AA15218@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Howard...after spending the weekend doing yard chores(fun) on to more serious stuff. It has been quiet on the glass list, I miss answering questions and swapping stories. Two more weeks of teaching classes for me and most students are into their second or third project. I will be away from mid July to mid August, with the dates not quite confirmed yet. We will be going to NYC, DCLA, and the middle east, not in the order listed. My wife makes all the plans...all I have to do is show up at the right time and tag along. Well, back to the 18" peony which is waiting to be born. Enjoy From owner-glass Tue May 9 04:50:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s8noB-0000W3a; Tue, 9 May 95 04:50 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: back to glass Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 08:46:41 AST Message-ID: <9509084641.B5CC> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 May 1995 22:41:59 -0700, erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov writes: > > > >This is Howard...after spending the weekend doing yard chores(fun) >on to more serious stuff. It has been quiet on the glass list, I >miss answering questions and swapping stories. Two more weeks of >teaching classes for me and most students are into their second or >third project. I will be away from mid July to mid August, with the >dates not quite confirmed yet. We will be going to NYC, DCLA, >and the middle east, not in the order listed. My wife makes all the >plans...all I have to do is show up at the right time and tag along. >Well, back to the 18" peony which is waiting to be born. >Enjoy > Hi Howard, Like you I have been doing the" rake dance", and the "paint brush swing", and consequently have been unable to keep up with the list. However this week end I plan on getting partially back to it, and continuing where I left off a couple of weeks back. Just as the tulips were blooming, and the grass was greening up a bit (almost ready for mowing) we were blessed with 35 cm's of snow. Yuk!!!!! today should be warmer and get rid of it though. It sounds like you have a great month of travel planed this summer. Any need for a personal photographer to record the travels of Mr. & Mrs. Howard???? (Ha Ha). See ya. Wayne. From owner-glass Tue May 9 05:40:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s8oZs-0000Iha; Tue, 9 May 95 05:39 PDT X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!cutler From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: a question about bases and other stuff Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 08:39:35 EDT Message-ID: <1995May9.123935.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, and others too: is there a "formula" or at least some good "rules of thumb" for figuring the height of a lamp base for a particular shade diameter and height? Or is it a matter of trial and error? I just finished a 7"dia.x 5"high globe (worden system G-7) and I'm trying to decide what size base to get for it. Next project is two bedroom reading lamps, probably 13" dia, probably pyramid, but possibly more complicated. Oh, yes and yardwork too, lots of marigolds to plant, and a boat to re-paint and lots of dirt to move here and there. Actually, I love it all. I find the time away from the workbench is time spent, sometimes quite unconsciously, thinkiing about projects. When time comes to sit down and do som designs there are times when they just sort of materialize. Usually after "interruptions" like yard chores. So For me anyway taking time away from the bench is good for creative juices. Hope you enjoy your trip Howard. Sounds like quite an undertaking. Thanks to all for the encouragement. This is a friendly list; much appreicated in these times of "incivility" :) From owner-glass Tue May 9 05:42:13 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s8obo-0000cSa; Tue, 9 May 95 05:41 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: back to glass Date: Tue, 09 May 95 08:34:36 EDT Message-ID: <950509.084107.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<9509084641.B5CC>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, glass is my third job...full time work in a library, part time insturctor at a community college. It's almost finals time and all I want to do is sleep. It's been a typical semester. My students have been dealing with childbirth, pregnancy, divorce, various illnesses of student and/or child, Special Olympics....etc. And I teach math. You gotta be a juggler to help these people through. And I have to make: 2 crosses, 2 roses, 2 butterflies, and do some woodwork.... I'm sure the list will get longer, but I am tired right now... Dorothy From owner-glass Tue May 9 17:50:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s8zyk-0000Zya; Tue, 9 May 95 17:50 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: testing Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 17:50:47 -0700 Message-ID: <199505100050.AA18330@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Howard...according to my list server, no mail is coming in or going out. They say this is a problem, and I do agree! From owner-glass Tue May 9 18:49:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s90ta-0000YTa; Tue, 9 May 95 18:49 PDT X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: testing Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 22:11:05 -0400 Message-ID: <199505100211.WAA25905@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > >This is Howard...according to my list server, no mail is coming in >or going out. They say this is a problem, and I do agree! > Hi Howard, this is Carol Read you loud and clear. From owner-glass Wed May 10 03:19:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s98qM-0000Uma; Wed, 10 May 95 03:18 PDT X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!chaseway From: wayne chase To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: testing Summary: NB*net - New Brunswick's Regional Network 1-800-561-4459 Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 07:14:16 AST Message-ID: <9510071416.12E3> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 May 1995 17:50:47 -0700, erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov writes: > > > >This is Howard...according to my list server, no mail is coming in >or going out. They say this is a problem, and I do agree! > Hi Howard, Just following up on your test as I sent a note this morning to list. Hope your server is on again. Regards, Wayne From owner-glass Wed May 10 05:59:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9BLw-0000HMa; Wed, 10 May 95 05:59 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: sysm.acs.virginia.edu!UD59 From: LAUREL HALL Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed May 10 05:58:55 1995 Message-ID: <1995May11.33055.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SENDER OF MESSAGE: On Tue, 9 May 1995 17:50:47 -0700, erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov writes: > > > >This is Howard...according to my list server, no mail is coming in >or going out. They say this is a problem, and I do agree! > Hi Howard, Just following up on your test as I sent a note this morning to list. Hope your server is on again. Regards, Wayne *** Comments from UD59 - HALL, LAUREL; 05/10/95 08:47: I got ya too. LAUREL HALL UD59@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU From owner-glass Wed May 10 08:47:30 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9DyR-0000Ila; Wed, 10 May 95 08:46 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: idle hands Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 08:47:24 -0700 Message-ID: <199505101547.AA06835@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard...got up too early, 7:30a.m., and found that 48 messages were waiting on the list. Culled most of them, evidently the list serve is on again. To the point, I am computer numb, so my early morning advice carefully thought out from your responses, which generally indicate that most of you have been playing (person) mother nature is: GREEN SIDE UP when you plant. This is an example of what happens when I arise too early! Enjoy P. S. I will answer some questions later when it is later. From owner-glass Wed May 10 12:20:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9HIM-0000O0a; Wed, 10 May 95 12:19 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: a question about bases and other stuff Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:20:17 -0700 Message-ID: <199505101920.AA15056@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ts Howard... a little later, alittle more cognizant. To Bob, A very general rule of guesswork IMHO is a base can be about the height of the diameter of the shade, with about 25% leeway either saller or larger. The finial resting height of the shade can be adjusted in 1/2" increments by playing with the harp heights. A 6' harp will not clear a A19 household without taking the harp off to put in the bulb. Look for and Use a fan lamp bulb A15. Shade risers are also available to raise the shade on the harp. A 6 inch or so base will work on the G7 Worden you made. Depending which base you choose, the bulb base may vary and there are adapters to make them candleabra base compatible. There is a standard measurement of bulbs (industry) and I anyone wants I can explain and quote numbers. I always use clear bulbs! The keys are not always in the right places when I type, hence the "Typos" I have started to aerobic-arthritis low impact swim on Mon, Wed., Fri., and will be leaving soon...so It is only glass. enjoy From owner-glass Wed May 10 16:52:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9LXn-0000PGa; Wed, 10 May 95 16:51 PDT X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: lamp bases etc Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 20:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: <199505110014.UAA00246@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bob, this is Carol. Finally found the issues of Professional Stained Glass that had some good stuff on lamps and bases. June 1991 issue, Porcelli writes that the diameter of the base should be no more than 2/3rd of the shade's diameter and no less than one third. Lamps with bases having a larger diameter will look bottom heavy; those with a smaller diameter will look top heavy and will not provide suitable support. At least that's the gist of the article, taken from Porcelli's book "The Lampmaking Handbook". July 1990 issue, article by John Emery, partner in Preston Studios in FL "Creating new designs in the Tiffany tradition". Your subject dictates the style of base. One would not mount an iris shade on a tree base - irises do not grow on trees. But roses, or dogwood, or magnolias all do belong on trees and look appropriate on tree bases. Mounting the shade on the correct base can make or break the 'look' of the finished product, but you needn't be overly tied to convention. . . . What is important is proportion and appropriateness - does the work really look right on that base? I knew that one day I would refer to these old issues again. Good luck on your new project!! From owner-glass Wed May 10 19:02:48 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9Na3-0000ITa; Wed, 10 May 95 19:02 PDT X-Path: aol.com!NAPPERzzzz From: NAPPERzzzz@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <950510214806_114422106@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Subscribe Sherry Marie From owner-glass Wed May 10 20:08:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9ObP-0000Tka; Wed, 10 May 95 20:07 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!alane From: alane@ix.netcom.com (Alan E ) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 18:34:39 -0700 Message-ID: <199505110134.SAA25704@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unsubscribe Please remove me from this mailing list. Thanks From owner-glass Thu May 11 09:19:43 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9ax3-0000X5a; Thu, 11 May 95 09:19 PDT X-Path: yfn.ysu.edu!at994 From: at994@yfn.ysu.edu (Karen Margala) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: none Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:21:04 -0400 Message-ID: <199505111621.AA15574@yfn.ysu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Subscribe Karen Margala From owner-glass Thu May 11 12:39:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9e44-0000UTa; Thu, 11 May 95 12:38 PDT X-Path: Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@Camosun.BC.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: foiling Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 10:54:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1995May11.2547.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Howard I'm finally getting my act together again, slowly but surely I'm beginning to find my tools and get my workshop going again, never did find my grozzers, anyway I'm not sure if you can answer my question since since you said you didn't do small items, I try to have one big project and a small one going at the same time, so if you can answer great if not maybe someone else out there can help, ok here goes, how in the world do you get foil to go on straight and look professional, I have such a problem with it, I even bought one of those foilers which is useless, any hints or is it just practice. By the way have a nice trip! you very lucky person! Donna!!!! From owner-glass Thu May 11 13:20:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9eiR-0000Qga; Thu, 11 May 95 13:20 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: back to glass Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:20:34 -0700 Message-ID: <199505112020.AA21514@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Howard... thanks to all for replying to the test. To Wayne... if only I could take along a 'personal' photographer. >From our correspondence it seems that you have "some" qualifications. I will muddle along with my Canon AE1s. AS always, I await( with bated breath)whatever that means for your questions and observations. It si only glass Enjoy From owner-glass Thu May 11 17:51:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9iwC-0000e4a; Thu, 11 May 95 17:50 PDT X-Path: idirect.com!mrum From: mrum@idirect.com (mike & carol) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiling Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 20:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <199505120053.UAA25123@lucid.idirect.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi, Howard I'm finally getting my act together again, slowly but surely >I'm beginning to find my tools and get my workshop going again, never did >find my grozzers, anyway I'm not sure if you can answer my question since >since you said you didn't do small items, I try to have one big project >and a small one going at the same time, so if you can answer great if not >maybe someone else out there can help, ok here goes, how in the world do >you get foil to go on straight and look professional, I have such a problem >with it, I even bought one of those foilers which is useless, any hints or >is it just practice. By the way have a nice trip! you very lucky >person! Donna!!!! > Hi Donna, this is Carol Foiling is practice. I too have used the hand foilers and had reasonable success with them. Most people probably think I foil in an awkward manner and somewhat backwards. Works for me though. Holding the foil with the start at 12 o'clock adhesive side up, apply to the bottom of the edge of glass. Roll the glass towards yourself, being careful to center the foil on the glass or is it the glass on the foil??!! Good luck Carol From owner-glass Fri May 12 00:22:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9p32-0000RNa; Fri, 12 May 95 00:22 PDT X-Path: compuserve.com!76531.71 From: Teresa M Vaughn <76531.71@compuserve.com> To: Dave Subject: Re: foiling Date: 12 May 95 03:20:05 EDT Message-ID: <1995May12.7205.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Donna, The trick to foiling is patience and practice. Take the time to do it correctly the first time. My husband, daughter and I all use the same style of technique which works for "lefties" as well as "righties". Pull the covering off of a short length of foil, center and press the foil on the cut edge of the glass, then go back to press down the sides and burnish. The trick is to hold the glass in the nondominant hand (the one you don't write with) and guide the foil with the dominant hand. This gives you better control. Good luck, and remember glass is individualistic, you will develop a style with time which works for you! Teresa Glass Works From owner-glass Fri May 12 05:38:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9tyn-0000d3a; Fri, 12 May 95 05:38 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy Kalahan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiling Date: Fri, 12 May 95 08:32:56 EDT Message-ID: <950512.083706.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1995May11.2547.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My husband uses a foiler and he swears by it, since he did have trouble getting foil on straight and he does a beautiful job now. I prefer to curl up in comfy chair. I have to have good light. I continually look from one side of the glass to the other to see if the foil jutting out on either side looks even. Mostly, it's practice, practice, practice. Take it slow and be careful. Dorothy hcladm02@uconnvm.uconn.edu From owner-glass Fri May 12 08:20:20 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9wUz-0000coa; Fri, 12 May 95 08:19 PDT X-Path: Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@Camosun.BC.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: foiling Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:19:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1995May12.0191.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks, everyone who answered my foiling question, yes I guess it is practice, practice, practice! Donna!!!glass alas! From owner-glass Fri May 12 08:25:00 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9wZw-0000QCa; Fri, 12 May 95 08:24 PDT X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: repeat please Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 11:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <199505121524.LAA12023@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lost in transfer the message listing glass manufacturers in the NW. Would much appreciate a copy. Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org -- p From owner-glass Fri May 12 12:02:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s9zy5-0000dNa; Fri, 12 May 95 12:01 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiling Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <199505121902.AA01215@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello...this is Howard Donna, Yes the only way to get better is to practice. I personally do not use any enhancements or mechanical items for foiling. Perhaps if used a dark background to look down on while foiling, it may help. Experiment with different ways of holding and putting on the foil until you find one yhat suits you. It is only glass...enjoy From owner-glass Fri May 12 12:10:05 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sA05W-0000T5a; Fri, 12 May 95 12:09 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiling Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:09:47 -0700 Message-ID: <199505121909.AA02203@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, again... I am right-handed, and I hold the glass in my right hand and apply and guide the foil with my left hand...as you see, it is up to the individual to find a suitable method. I recommend a foil holder, and I do not cut off small pieces, put keep using the foil as it comes off the roll. If you are doing free form stuff, 1.5mil will hold better, if you are doing multipiece framed stuff, 1mil is easier to handle. enjoy From owner-glass Fri May 12 17:36:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sA5AS-0000ZWa; Fri, 12 May 95 17:34 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: repeat please Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <199505130034.AA27567@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, here... Hello, Sue, Did you want the NW manufacturers, such as Bullesye and Uroborus, or distributor, either wholesalers and or mail order retailers. I did not save the list of suppliers that was posted earlier, but some one probably can put them bacj on. If you want glass makers (factories) that I can do with contact nam Enjoy From owner-glass Sat May 13 14:55:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sAP8p-0000ZQa; Sat, 13 May 95 14:54 PDT X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: repeat please Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 17:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: <199505132154.RAA17319@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Am planning my first trip to the Seattle-Vancouver area in the fall and would like to visit glass manufacturers in the area. I think the note named Bullseye, Urobros and Spectrum. Head east fairly often and always try to make a stop at Blenko. Thanks for your interest and have enjoyed following your correspondence. Having a glass guru is a new luxury. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org > > > >Howard, here... >Hello, Sue, >Did you want the NW manufacturers, such as Bullesye and Uroborus, >or distributor, either wholesalers and or mail order retailers. >I did not save the list of suppliers that was posted earlier, but >some one probably can put them bacj on. If you want glass makers >(factories) that I can do with contact nam >Enjoy > > -- p From owner-glass Sat May 13 21:43:55 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sAVWm-0000RAa; Sat, 13 May 95 21:43 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: repeat please Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 21:44:17 -0700 Message-ID: <199505140444.AA10499@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Sue, The Portland glass manufacturers are about 3.5 hours from Seattle. It is an easy ride, south on I5 into Portland. I can and will give you names and directions if you so desire. Spectrum is just outside of SEattle, in Woodenville, also easy access. They have a toll free number, and the president is Jim Matthews and will probably remember my name. They do give tours and even without my name you should have no trouble getting in. Spectrum...1-800-426-3120. Enjoy From owner-glass Tue May 16 20:09:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sBZT8-000046a; Tue, 16 May 95 20:08 PDT X-Path: post.QueensU.CA!lloydba From: lloydba@post.QueensU.CA (Lucy Lloyd-Batson) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <199505170307.XAA12757@post.QueensU.CA> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Subscribe (Lucy Lloyd-Batson) Lucy Lloyd-Batson Queen's University From owner-glass Tue May 16 21:48:46 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sBb1w-0000Gwa; Tue, 16 May 95 21:48 PDT X-Path: primenet.com!burtman From: burtman@PrimeNet.Com (Burt Eastburn) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: finishing touches Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: <199505170448.VAA26092@mailhost.primenet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Evening, this is Mrs. Burtman, Lorley. I have my lamp put together and now need to know how to do the finishing touches. I have rough soldered all the seams and plan to spend some time smoothing and rounding them out. Do I clean the lamp up then? How do I get the greasy paste flux off? Then how do I patina? I think we talked about that a month or so ago but I wasn't that close to that part of the project. Is there any thing I need to watch w/ the patina if some of my glass is glue chipped? Does patina get into the crevices? When I wax it do I have to skip waxing the glue chip glass?? I am having a difficult time advancing from one step to the next. I don't want to do anything that I will regret since I have no "in house" stained glass expert nearby. Thanks for the advice. I'm looking forward very much to doing a flat stained glass window panel next.. Bye for now, Lorley. From owner-glass Tue May 16 23:38:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sBcjo-0000bHa; Tue, 16 May 95 23:37 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: finishing touches Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:38:16 -0700 Message-ID: <199505170638.AA26463@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard...Hot soapy water, cleanser, or if you are careful, and can work out side, gasoline, or kerosine, or a petroleum type product will cut the grease of the paste flux. Then was completely. I pre-heat the patina in hot tap water, and WEAR rubber gloves, apply it on the solder witha coarse plastic scrubber with vigor. Do not let it dry, but as soon as it blackens the solder, wash it off, again, even in winter , I work out side with patina. If the cap is tinned, it will also blacken well, if not I scrub the brass cap until it has an antique type finish (use the pot scrubber with patina). If you are using a wax type polish, use carefully only on the solder. Is the chip facing in on the shade or out. Lemon oil type polish will also put a nice finish on the solder, but is not as long lasting as a wax. Some one else said to use KEM-O-PRO carnuba wax, and I agree that is works well. Even wd-40 lightly sprayed on a rag and applied to the lamp will put a nice shine on it...it is not a permanent finish, though. I do not think you can cause anything to happen that cannot be undone. Sorry , I forgot to say hello, Lorley. Enjoy,it is only glass From owner-glass Thu May 18 16:59:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sCFSY-0000OIa; Thu, 18 May 95 16:58 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: hello Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 16:59:04 -0700 Message-ID: <199505182359.AA27247@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard...last night was the finish of my two 8 week courses. Most beginners did at least 2 complete small panel lamps, and 1 advanced student a 16 clematis with the tuck row. I am off teaching until the first week in September. Many unhappy students who do not remember what life was like without glass. Still "online and willing to spread info to the four directions. It is only glass...enjoy From owner-glass Thu May 18 17:30:38 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sCFxO-00001wa; Thu, 18 May 95 17:30 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass News Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 20:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995May18.16306.0> References: <<199505182359.AA27247@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I was in Grand Rapids, MI today and since I had five hours to kill (while waiting for my dog to have surgery), I made a bee-line for the nearest stained glass shop. After being in there about 15 minutes, it suddenly dawned on me that this place is the home of Stained Glass News, the freebie periodical that I assume most of you get at your local supplier. The shop/showroom is gorgeous. They just moved into it last August. It is very contemporary with lots of glass up to the ceiling which is approximately 2 stories high at one end of the building. The teaching/construction area is very spacious and boy do I wish I lived nearby. I was really impressed. All the stained glass stores I have been in have had friendly and helpful workers and that certainly was the case with this place too. I did my part in helping the local economy while in that store. ...and now back to the 9 windows I am still working on. Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Fri May 19 07:28:50 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sCT17-0000FEa; Fri, 19 May 95 07:27 PDT X-Path: aol.com!NAPPERzzzz From: NAPPERzzzz@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:26:54 -0400 Message-ID: <950519102644_124300367@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a question...does anyone know whether or not you can go to a glass manufacturing facility and buy glass direct from them, thereby being able to pick the sheets you want. I do Tiffany reproduction lamps and have been disappointed several times with the glass I ordered from a sample --- Does anyone have the addresses for the major glass manufacturers around the country? I'm from the midwest but have flight priveleges and would and could fly to select my own glass. Thanks for any help Sherry From owner-glass Fri May 19 07:35:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sCT8h-0000LKa; Fri, 19 May 95 07:34 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!YJGE26A From: YJGE26A@prodigy.com (MRS ELSIE M TURQMAN) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: reactivate Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:18:02 EDT Message-ID: <013.06718667.YJGE26A@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Back from vacation, please reactivate participation Elsie Turqman From owner-glass Fri May 19 09:35:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sCV1K-0000eBa; Fri, 19 May 95 09:35 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass News Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 09:35:51 -0700 Message-ID: <199505191635.AA14161@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard... Hello, Sherry, first time I have seen your name on the screen. I am only familiar with Bullseye and Uroborus because I live 3.5 hrs. from Portland. Uro does and will sell to you, and you can choose your own glass,HOWEVER, they are fussy about letting you buy stock sheets (production). They expect you to choose from the curious glass, a wonderful limitation for a lampmaker who does not have to duplicate their previous pieces exactly. With some prior discussion, you probably can get to Bullseye, and again will have to use their non- production sheets...call for appointments at both. Both are easy to get to from the airport(PDX). Also check for minimum purchase if theu want one, and you may need credentials??? As for mail order from small samples, on a five color 5.25sq ft sheet, a 2"x4" sample can not do justice to the whole sheet, and should explain your dissapointment. Generally they are production sheets unless the resaler stipulates curious, end of day, Saturday, or transition glass, all terms for non- production and hard to duplicate glass. If you have a chance it would be nice to find out a little of what you do, lamps you make, how many, etc. I have many tips for both Odyssey and Worden. As long as you are not selling them in my back yard, I am comfortable passing on techniques. It is only glass...enjoy From owner-glass Sun May 21 15:09:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sDJAp-0000BZa; Sun, 21 May 95 15:08 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Workshops in NEast Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 17:24:57 EDT Message-ID: <013.06780465.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Someone on the list asked about workshops in the northeast this summer. I think it was Robert, but can't find the original post, so am sending this to the list. I couldn't find anyone who knew of a workshop this summer, but there was a suggestion to contact: Kay Weiner Glass Craft Festival 696 Palisade Ave Teaneck, NJ 08666 201-836-8940 Fax: 836-4108 Newark: November 9, 10, 11, 12, 1995 Orlandy: February 8, 9, 10, 11, 1996 I think this means that workshops are offered for those dates. Anyone interested should be able to get further information. Hope it helps! Peggy From owner-glass Mon May 22 16:27:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sDgs8-00005Aa; Mon, 22 May 95 16:26 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: hello out there Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:27:00 -0700 Message-ID: <199505222327.AA11040@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard... Hope you all had a good week and are ready to get back to "glass" If any of you are trying to find good mission style oak bases, I will have 12 of them tomorrow. Mission stuff seems to be real popular lately. It is only glass enjoy From owner-glass Mon May 22 16:52:22 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sDhGQ-0000fza; Mon, 22 May 95 16:51 PDT X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 19:51:39 -0400 Message-ID: <199505222351.TAA22274@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Very interested in mission style bases. Can you give me more information? Are yours for sale? Am working on a mission style lampshade now. Thanks. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org > > > >this is Howard... >Hope you all had a good week and are ready to get back to "glass" >If any of you are trying to find good mission style oak bases, >I will have 12 of them tomorrow. Mission stuff seems to be real popular >lately. >It is only glass >enjoy > > -- p From owner-glass Mon May 22 18:49:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sDj5B-0000lga; Mon, 22 May 95 18:48 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 18:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: <199505230148.AA10984@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard here...Hello Sue. The bases will be in tomorrow. They'll probably be about $90.00. I'll let you know after I know the final cost of freight. I'll let you know the specific height, too. Enjoy. From owner-glass Mon May 22 18:54:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sDjAV-0000mDa; Mon, 22 May 95 18:53 PDT X-Path: umd5.umd.edu!santilla From: Kristina Santilla To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995May22.175345.0> References: <<199505222327.AA11040@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard, I tried the Simichrome you recommended, and I am just thrilled with the result on copper patina. It almost glows. I was also thrilled with Delphi, who I ordered it from. When I called, they said that there would be a charge for their catalog, so I asked if I could place an order and get one free, and they said not only would they send me a catalog, but give me a 25% discount for my initial order. Needless to say, I ran off a list of everything I could think of that I needed. The best part is that the order arrived with no back orders only 3 days later. Their phone number is 1-800-248-2048 in case anyone is interested. My last mail order experience with a stained glass company out of New Jersey (who shall remain nameless) was so awful- I placed an order in January, was told they were out of stock on everything I wanted and after 3 or 4 follow-up calls and 4 months had past, I finally gave up. Thanks again, Krisi Santilla santilla@umd5.umd.edu From owner-glass Mon May 22 21:53:59 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sDlyU-0000apa; Mon, 22 May 95 21:53 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 21:54:23 -0700 Message-ID: <199505230454.AA17014@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard here...Hello, Krisi, I am glad the simichrome worked. I use it for my copper patinaed shades. Because of the extra time involved in doing it as production, I usually match a cubase to it and charge more in the galleries without an exchange option on base and shade. I know of Delphi, and some of my students have used them with success, being a manufacturer and a re-seller, I try to deal factory direct whenever possible. At times I have to buy by the case to met minimums or establish myself with them. The current 12 oak bases is an example of a minimun order. it is only glass...enjoy From owner-glass Tue May 23 15:15:47 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sE2Cv-0000CFa; Tue, 23 May 95 15:13 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995May23.141335.0> References: <<1995May22.175345.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Two things: First of all, just to add to info about Delphi and their mail order. I have always had terrific luck with them and I happen to live about an hour away so have also been there. They couldn't be nicer... Second, our local stained glass shop (I am not affiliated with them in any way) has designed some birdhouses which are much much better than the those in the book "For the Birds". If anyone is interested in knowing more about them or wants pictures of them, email me privately and I'll tell you about them. Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Tue May 23 18:10:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sE4vn-0000Rva; Tue, 23 May 95 18:08 PDT X-Path: mail.prodigy.com!MPGP79B From: MPGP79B@prodigy.com (PEGGY M PALM) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Colors for dogwood lampshade Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:22:23 EDT Message-ID: <013.06855080.MPGP79B@prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Peggy Palm * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- OK, fellow lamp enthusiasts, I'm starting to look for glass for an 18" Worden dogwood. I have a couple of limitations and need some advice. First, I'm stuck with mail-ordering my glass, but don't have a resale number, so can't order from wholesale places. There aren't any stores nearby with any stock of art glass, which is what I want to use. Second, the Worden pattern specifies several shades of pink for the blossoms, but I would rather use shades of white/cream with touches of pink/gold/burgundy. As someone recently noted, you can't really tell from a 2 inch sample, what colors exist in the sheet. Does anyone know of a specific stock number(s) which would give me the colors I'm looking for? If not, am I stuck with trial and error ordering, or is there a better way? Also, the pattern says that the lamp has to be divided either horizontally or vertically to get it off the form. Any advantages to one or the other (or is there a "Howard's ingenious solution" that works even better)? It'll be ages before I get to that stage, but I can't figure out how they expect me to divide it vertically if I've soldered it to a ring! Thanks for any words of wisdom.... Peggy From owner-glass Tue May 23 23:51:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sEAGW-0000d6a; Tue, 23 May 95 23:50 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Colors for dogwood lampshade Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 23:50:30 -0700 Message-ID: <199505240650.AA27222@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk howard...here. Lots of advice to come later...but for now, hang on. I strongly urge you to forget Worden's color advice, and go with your own. Hint...lamp can be assembled on form with careful use of copper wire. Will word process a more detailed set of instructions soon. I will post it to the list, rather to you (Peggy) direct. A new sigh off is in the works...To paraphrase a popular PNW program, Howard has left the computer! From owner-glass Wed May 24 12:06:57 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sELjk-0000Sja; Wed, 24 May 95 12:04 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: <199505241904.AA21716@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk howard, here... to Sue, the bases are here, and if you want I will reply to you direct, rather than the list...let me know. To paraphrase a popular PNW show, Howard has left the computer. P.S. they are high quality, will give full specs according to your reply, theu are also made in US From owner-glass Wed May 24 12:25:12 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sEM2G-0000d1a; Wed, 24 May 95 12:24 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Returned mail: User unknown Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 12:24:32 -0700 Message-ID: <199505241924.AA25437@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, this is Howard..Do not do anything yet, I will have info and instructions from pattern prep to flux to glass to finish work. I sent a mail earlier, but it got returned...Please reconfirm your address. A few thoughts, what companies can you access, I like using Yogo stipples, a waxy translucent style of glass. It takes low wattage well and is not very reflective when off. Will have much more on color phasing, density, color overlaps to next pieces...you asked for it! To paraphrase a popular PNW show...Howard has left the computer. From owner-glass Wed May 24 21:09:18 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sEUCl-0000HCa; Wed, 24 May 95 21:07 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 18" dagwood..list and Peggy Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 21:08:01 -0700 Message-ID: <199505250408.AA15892@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk First, good thinking on if you soldered the cap, how could you separate it Initial set up of pattern...If the blue one is on water-proof paper (oil-cloth) feel to it, put it on the styroform with short straight pins(silk pins). If it is just heavy paper, COVER both sides with clear contact paper (sticky) shelf paper BEFORE you cut it apart to go on the form. As for the paper pattern that you will cut the glass from...If convenient, copy it onto clear acetate, cover the acetate on both sides with clear contact shelf paper before cutting the patterns out. This will allow you to see through it, and use the colors and shading in the glass to its maximum. If no acetate, cover the paper pattern with clear shelf anyway...makes it more durable and easier to trace around...most people cut the glass big, so either cut off the trace line on the glass, or cut the pattern piece smaller to allow for the line and leave it on. As for the colors, Bullseye or Uroborus ring mottles will do well for the flowers, and if you use sheets that have some of the same colors as flowers, but mostly greens they would tie in the flowers to the leaves. Pick a back- ground glass containing some of the same colors as the other sheets, and over lap the colors, that is a spot of green or purple of a flower touching a leaf. Some of the same colors of flowers or leaves meeting at the same area of the backgroung works too. If you use three or four unrelated colors, the lamp will appera harsh with no color transitions. You do not need to repeat the same colors of the flowers at the same places in the repeats. In some cases one repeat may be a flower and in another repeat of the same pattern, make it a leaf. If your eye has to look to see what it is, that adds interest to the shade. Another very nice glass to work with isYoughiogheny, here after called "Yogo". I very much like the stipples. They are pastel colored and waxy looking, and work well with low wattage. If you do use Yogo, cut with VERY VERY little pressure. You will notice that Ii am having trouble giving you specific sheet numbers, I will try to later in the note. As for assembly, start at the top, pin on the first few rows, about 1/4 of the way down leave the two halves interlocked, foiled, but NOT soldered to each other. Take two pieces of copper wire and solder one of each piece on either side of the halves twist together, and repeat this procedure every 2nd or 3rd row (can be uneven rows) until down to the bottom. It will "lace" the halves together. When all the pieces are on, the wires can be loosened a little(enough to slide the form out without losing the dome shape). I usually solder the final bead before removing the form, but you need to be careful not to melt the styrofoam. I Strongly suggest you get a lamp leveler for holding the lamp while working on it. I can sell you one for about $65.00. It can be used for soldering the inside ,too. I usually cut all the glass out, jury it on a light box in its entirety. For the dogwood, however, careful use of the flower glass and overlapping of the colors of petals will be enough if you do not have a large light box. DEFINATELY cut them on a small light source...a bare bulb in a socket with a piece of plate glass supported by wood blocks, books, bricks,etc will make a simple light box. Use a oil based paste flux to minimize the oxidation of the foil. As for the glass, it would be worth your time to call the manufacturers and ask for color numbers and who stocks and will sell them to you. You would not do better with a resale# for the actual glass, though. If you cannot get a resellor to accomodate your desires, I can get glass you want by the #s sent to you and billed to me, and you could pay me for it. I am guessing that it would meet the minimum needed for glass. AGAIN, buy by the sheet...do not use Worden suggestions for sqft as it will not allow for color phasing and overlap. Delphi was mentioned as a very good source...call them to see what they have in stock that matches the colors you want. I do not like Kokomo, but it was used heavily in early lamps. Sorry for the dis-jointed info...done at different times with a lack of coordination on my part, however, the advice should work. Anyone with questions, feel free to ask. enjoy Howard has left the computer...PNW is Pacific North West From owner-glass Wed May 24 21:21:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sEUPt-0000Oia; Wed, 24 May 95 21:21 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 21:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <199505250421.AA18447@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is Howard...There here... The mission style oak bases are as follows 19" high to the bottom of the socket( a riser of 1.5" can be removed, about 13" from outside from leg to leg(across), post 2.25 square with flutes extending to bottom of base, medium dark oak, felt on bottom, UL listed and made in USA. I can send one for $100.00 incl shipping, also forgot 9" hd harp and 3way socket for bulb. If you want one let me know and we can make arrangements, and if you are unhappy when you get it, send it back for a refund. I am slightly out of sync...this is for Sue Becker, sorry for no salutation first. If any one else is interested let me know. Enjoy From owner-glass Thu May 25 15:43:51 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sElbs-0000GYa; Thu, 25 May 95 15:42 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!rneaves From: rneaves@ix.netcom.com (Roger Neaves) To: glass@bungi.com. Subject: kilns Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:41:29 -0700 Message-ID: <199505252241.PAA11447@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have just taken a basic class infusing and am very excited about this new hobby. I am looking for a used kiln - not too small - working condition. Anybody have a clue as to how I go about finding one? Janet Neaves From owner-glass Thu May 25 20:31:58 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sEq5m-0000bCa; Thu, 25 May 95 20:29 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: kilns Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 20:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: <199505260328.UAA12450@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >I have just taken a basic class infusing and am very excited about this >new hobby. I am looking for a used kiln - not too small - working >condition. Anybody have a clue as to how I go about finding one? > >Janet Neaves > > > > Hi Janet, this is Terry. I'm going out on a limb because I really don't know much about used kilns but, what about the classifieds in trade magazines there are several general craft magazines that have classified sections in the back - perhaps that would be a place to start. Also, in my area there is a weekly local info-shopper paper that goes around and has local classifieds, if you have something like this in your area you could put an add in, that you are looking for a kiln. lastly, there is a Newsgroup called (misc.forsale) it is a Usenet marketplace - maybe you could give that a try. Well, hope this was of some help, let me know how you do. Terry From owner-glass Fri May 26 06:03:34 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sEz1s-0000Ira; Fri, 26 May 95 06:02 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy Kalahan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: kilns Date: Fri, 26 May 95 08:59:53 EDT Message-ID: <950526.090132.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199505260328.UAA12450@ix5.ix.netcom.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And make sure that the kiln you buy is comapatible with the power sources in your home! You don't want to have to rewire! Dorothy From owner-glass Fri May 26 11:58:14 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sF4Z2-0000iWa; Fri, 26 May 95 11:56 PDT X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:56:38 -0400 Message-ID: <199505261856.OAA28344@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard - thanks for the info on the bases. My shade is only about 12" wide. The bases sound beautiful but would overwhelm this shade. If you don't mind, will inform my group you have them available. We break very soon for the summer so you probably will not hear from us til fall. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org > > > >This is Howard...There here... The mission style oak bases are as >follows 19" high to the bottom of the socket( a riser of 1.5" can be >removed, about 13" from outside from leg to leg(across), post 2.25 >square with flutes extending to bottom of base, medium dark oak, >felt on bottom, UL listed and made in USA. I can send one for $100.00 >incl shipping, also forgot 9" hd harp and 3way socket for bulb. >If you want one let me know and we can make arrangements, and if >you are unhappy when you get it, send it back for a refund. >I am slightly out of sync...this is for Sue Becker, sorry for no >salutation first. If any one else is interested let me know. >Enjoy > > -- p From owner-glass Fri May 26 12:03:25 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sF4eX-0000Jza; Fri, 26 May 95 12:02 PDT X-Path: detroit.freenet.org!ae479 From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: [MAILER-DAEMON: Returned mail: User unknown] Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 15:02:17 -0400 Message-ID: <199505261902.PAA29484@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: ae479 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Date: Fri, 26 May The original message was received at Fri, 26 May 1995 14:56:38 -0400 from ae479@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- ad479 (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ad479... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: ae479 Received: (from ae479@localhost) by detroit.freenet.org (8.6.10/869.2) id OAA28344; Fri, 26 May 1995 14:56:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 14:56:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199505261856.OAA28344@detroit.freenet.org> From: ae479@detroit.freenet.org (Sue Becker) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello out there Cc: ad479 Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org Howard - thanks for the info on the bases. My shade is only about 12" wide. The bases sound beautiful but would overwhelm this shade. If you don't mind, will inform my group you have them available. We break very soon for the summer so you probably will not hear from us til fall. Reply-To: ae479@detroit.freenet.org > > > >This is Howard...There here... The mission style oak bases are as >follows 19" high to the bottom of the socket( a riser of 1.5" can be >removed, about 13" from outside from leg to leg(across), post 2.25 >square with flutes extending to bottom of base, medium dark oak, >felt on bottom, UL listed and made in USA. I can send one for $100.00 >incl shipping, also forgot 9" hd harp and 3way socket for bulb. >If you want one let me know and we can make arrangements, and if >you are unhappy when you get it, send it back for a refund. >I am slightly out of sync...this is for Sue Becker, sorry for no >salutation first. If any one else is interested let me know. >Enjoy > > -- p Original message was returned and am trying again. XXX -- p From owner-glass Sat May 27 20:14:28 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sFYme-0000XLa; Sat, 27 May 95 20:12 PDT X-Path: gjr From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: gjr@daver.bungi.com Subject: Night Light Fixtures Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 12:45:16 -0700 Message-ID: <199505271945.MAA29165@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HELP!!! This is Terry, I went to my supplier this morning to get some supplies, one of which was night light fixtures and they are all out and don't know when they will be getting more in. I've called around to electrical supply places and they all think I'm nuts (which is true but, that's beside the point.) Does anyone know who manufactures these things? I just need the electrical bases, I have the clips. I have three craft shows coming up and I need to get these things fast. Thanks for the help, Terry. P.S. Janet - you were looking for kilns, Warner Crivellaro in PA is having a close-out sale they have a Quick Fire II Cat. No. 4185-05 (firing chamber measures 4"x4"x4") Regular price $149.95 on sale for $92.00 and a Quick Fire VI Cat. No. 4185-07 (firing chamber 6"x6"x6") Regular price $189.95 on sale for $126.50 the phone number is 1-800-523-4242 they do mailorder. From owner-glass Sat May 27 20:42:01 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sFZDw-0000Epa; Sat, 27 May 95 20:41 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Night Light Fixtures Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 20:41:38 -0700 Message-ID: <199505280341.AA00348@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Terry, this is Howard... How many fixtures do you need. I can have some shipped to you and billed to me. We need to agree on a price and may have to make a minimum, also bulbs if necessary. If the minimum is too much or you doo not need enough, I can get them and send them to you...a little longer that way. Sooner the better enjoy From owner-glass Sun May 28 09:06:19 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sFkos-0000QBa; Sun, 28 May 95 09:04 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Thanks for the Night Light Info Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 09:02:52 -0700 Message-ID: <199505281602.JAA15732@ix4.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, this is Terry, I really appreciate the information on the Night Light fixtures. Peggy, my supplier was Warner Crivellaro - I live about one hour away from them and I go out about once a month. Evidently they are in the middle of either changing suppliers or changing product, they really couldn't give me a complete answer nor could they tell me when they would have them again. Thank you so much though for taking the time to check the catalog for me. Thanks again, Terry. P.S. Howard, I'll email you directly - Thanks. From owner-glass Mon May 29 12:58:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGAvx-0000Mza; Mon, 29 May 95 12:57 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: cpcn.com!maruca From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora) Subject: class info requested Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:56:42 -0400 Message-ID: <9505291956.AA07453@info.cpcn.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello! I've just received a months worth of old posts, so forgive me if this seems out dated. R. Crane wrote: >> I live in Eastern Canada and was wondering if anybody out there knew of any interesting workshops taking place during the months of July and August in the Eastern U.S. or Canada. (Not really heavy stuff, but I been working with glass for a year or two and not" really" green) Lamp making would be nice but I am open to almost any learning experience.Thanks in anticipation of your reply, best of luck [end copy} I haven't taken the stained glass course at the August Heritage Center summer sessions, but I have an herbs class, which I recommend very highly. I work with all kinds of traditional music, which is a large part of their program, and can testify to the quality of those instructors. That said, here's the info on: class for all levels, int or adv. will be encouraged to work on design skills and build window or lampshade. bring or patterns or use those provided, materials $20-$75. Class taught by David and Bonnie Proudfoot of Art Glass of West The classes are held at Davis and Elkins College, Elkins WV. This one is scheduled for July 9 to 14, tuition is $270, housing available on campus on in nearby hotels or B&Bs. phone: 304-636-8624 email: augusta@euclid.DnE.wvnet.edu Wish I could get that week off, I'd be there for sure! Mary Armstrong maruca@cpcn.com From owner-glass Mon May 29 15:28:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGDI7-0000Fva; Mon, 29 May 95 15:28 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: drilling glass Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 18:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995May29.142747.0> References: <<9505291956.AA07453@info.cpcn.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I tried to drill a hole in a piece of glass this afternoon. I kept the area wet with water and after about 20 minutes had made a dent in the glass. OK, obviously, I didn't do things correctly. What am I supposed to do? Is there a special drill bit I should be using? I have never seen one in the supply catalogs? Can I use a bit that takes out an inch hole all at once (I don't know what those bits are called)? Suggestions will be appreciated a lot. Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Mon May 29 22:09:06 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGJX6-0000Jia; Mon, 29 May 95 22:08 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: drilling glass Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:59:27 -0700 Message-ID: <199505300259.AA04579@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sue, this is Howard...Yes there are special glass drills. There is a 1/4 and a 1/8 drill for glass that goes on a grinder. They are diamond covered studs that have to be hand wettted with a sponge. A home made drill can be made by using a piece of copper tubing, the diameter you want, carbide silica sand, and clay to form a dike around the place where the hole is to be drilled. A variable speed can supply the power on low rpm and the sand acts as an abrasive to gring through the glass. The water or something stickier such as anti-freeze supplies the coolant and lubricant for cutting. It is quicker and easier to buy a diamond drill. It will be expensive to get a 1" hole for glass, but you can enlarge a smaller hole with care and patience. Once the hole is big enough a 3/4 standard diamond bit can be used and the hole enlarged...I hope this helps Enjoy... From owner-glass Tue May 30 05:51:24 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGQkl-0000ROa; Tue, 30 May 95 05:50 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy Kalahan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: drilling glass Date: Tue, 30 May 95 08:40:14 EDT Message-ID: <950530.084955.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1995May29.142747.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue, two great minds....you and my husband. He spent yesterday working out how to drill a hole in glass. Mind you, I know there is something that you can put on your grinder (soem kind of grinding wheel) that will do it, but our local store didn't have them and my husband was determined to do it NOW. So he went to the hardware store and bought a glass bit for his drill. Now we don't have a drill press, so then he had to build a jig to hold his drill steady so the bit would dig in and not dance across the glass. But by the end of the day, we had a hole in the glass! Used machine oil on the spot we were drilling (since we had plenty of that). Also ran the drill through the rheostat so we could slow it down. Lots of suncatchers completed this weekend, too. Craft fair Sunday. Dorothy From owner-glass Tue May 30 10:23:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGV0O-0000UEa; Tue, 30 May 95 10:23 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: drilling glass Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:23:32 -0700 Message-ID: <199505301723.AA17804@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard here... Many ways to de-pelt the proverbial feline ( I do not follow that practice) but I always take time into consideration as well as results. Many times the money spent comes back in less labor, and a more consistant product. I will generally hire a person to do something that can be done fastwer than I can do it. In that time I can make and sell a lamp...net result I do what I like and do not have to struggle with a project I did not want to do in the first place. The thread is raveling and rambling...Enjoy your craft fair and If you get a chance let me (list) know the mechanics and how you made out. I am NOT interested in doing any so no secrets revealed will come back to haunt you from me. Enjoy From owner-glass Tue May 30 11:21:54 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGVv1-0000cWa; Tue, 30 May 95 11:21 PDT X-Path: YaleVM.CIS.Yale.Edu!UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: Dorothy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: drilling glass Date: Tue, 30 May 95 14:14:45 EDT Message-ID: <950530.142045.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199505301723.AA17804@ednet1.osl.or.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My husband spent a day making a jig so that he can now drill holes with abandon. The first was a b----h, bu the rest will take only a few minutes. It's basically a box to hold the glass in place topped by a box to hold the hand drill steady. He wants to drill the center hole for clocks, which will give us more versatility in design. Just finished a batch of butterflies...I love stuff I can make from the scrap of other stuff. Dorothy From owner-glass Tue May 30 12:09:31 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGWeu-0000X6a; Tue, 30 May 95 12:08 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JCWALE From: JCWALE@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: drilling glass Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <950530150849_16992009@aol.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have drilled 1" dia holes in glass, it takes time (20 minutes for 1/8' glass). Pick up a cheap 1" dia hole saw at a hardware store (designed to drill in wood). Break off the center drill, and Grind off ALL the teeth, so you have smooth edge. Put it in a drill press, clamp the glass to the drilling table. The 'grit' used to grind through the glass can be picked up in any auto supply, it is called "valve grinding compound". Yes, the same stuff used to grind valves when rebuilding an engine. It is a semi-paste, so water can be added to it if you think it is too thick, but I found it to be about the correct thickness. Take your time...It does work!!!! good luck. jcw From owner-glass Tue May 30 16:21:33 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGaa2-0000M0a; Tue, 30 May 95 16:20 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: hello there! Date: Tue, 30 May 95 19:20:19 18000 Message-ID: <199505302320.TAA13046@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna, Howard, and all... Thanks for adding me to the glass mailing list. You-all seem like such a friendly bunch. Looks like there is more activity here than on another list I used to subscribe to. Glenna, thanks for forwarding the past letters, sure got a lot of info out of them. Have two questions for anyone out there: Have been ordering from Warner-Crivallaro, but am not familiar with Delphi (boy am I jealous of those fortunate people that live close to them, or even the glass manufacturers!), am satisfied with WC, but which do you like better. This is for my personal info and curiosity only. Secondly, I am fairly new to stained glass (1-1/2 yr., self taught) and I make a variety of things, I like boxes a lot but my very favorite things are windchimes (I design my own). Have purchased aluminum tubing from a local awning supplier, but its sooo plain, also fairly thick, but has a nice sound. I would like to expand into various wall thicknesses and diameters and perhaps anodized alum. as well. I know it exists, but so far the sources elude me. Any ideas? Happy soldering - UrselH in northern Florida PS. I, too, have to attend to gardening, subsequent putting up, sewing and a variety of other activities. Perhaps we all should give up sleeping, there would be so much more time for glass work!!! -- e From owner-glass Tue May 30 17:04:49 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGbGM-0000Rca; Tue, 30 May 95 17:03 PDT X-Path: cps201.cps.cmich.edu!eiszler From: Susan Eiszler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello there! Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1995May30.16329.0> References: <<199505302320.TAA13046@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I live about an hour from Delphi and since my twins go to Michigan State which is conveniently 4-5 miles from Delphi, I stop in quite often. The people there are terrific. I also order mailorder from them and have never had any difficulty. I don't know how the prices compare with where you have been ordering, but you could try them once and see what you think. You won't go wrong with their service. Sue eiszler@cps.cmich.edu From owner-glass Tue May 30 17:21:35 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGbWt-00003Oa; Tue, 30 May 95 17:20 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello there! Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:19:52 -0700 Message-ID: <199505310019.RAA02504@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi..Terry & Matt here... Our experience has been...Delphi has great kit prices, but W-C has lower overall prices....Glass Crafters is best for instructional materials. Hope this was helpful From owner-glass Tue May 30 17:40:04 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGboX-0000Isa; Tue, 30 May 95 17:39 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: SGAA Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:38:07 -0700 Message-ID: <199505310038.RAA06132@ix2.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Matt here Is anyone a member of SGAA? Is it worth it? Has anyone heard of the SGAA Reference & Technical Manual? Are there any other books which provide good reference material? Or are lists like this the best way to get questions answered? I must admit, I much prefer the personal touch. From owner-glass Tue May 30 18:00:42 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGc8I-0000Eva; Tue, 30 May 95 17:59 PDT X-Path: qmail4.sp.trw.com!Rachael_Innes From: "Rachael Innes" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hello there! Date: 30 May 1995 17:53:49 U Message-ID: <1995May30.95349.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE>hello there! 5/30/95 5:42 PM Hi, WC has the best individual prices on most things. Smaller selection of glass listed in the catalog. Good source for brass trinkets and pewter/whatever thingies you add wings and other things to. Good to do business with. Delphi is more expensive, but has the nicest color catalog. Also very good service. Hudson has the best selection of the three (esp. in fusible glass), and offers discounts at different price brackets starting at something like 10% for $30-$50, ... 25% for ~$200. This makes it close to WC and sometimes better. Once again, very good to do business with. Glass Crafters seems to be more expensive, but has a few things that the others don't. Each is worth getting the catalog for, especially the first three. Must be something about stained glass, and glass art in general, as every mailorder I've dealt with has been very friendly, helpful, and reasonably quick in shipping. Now off to place my next order with Hudson, and start using my recent order from Delphi. Rachael -------------------------------------- Date: 5/30/95 4:30 PM To: Rachael Innes From: glass@bungi.com Hi Glenna, Howard, and all... Thanks for adding me to the glass mailing list. You-all seem like such a friendly bunch. Looks like there is more activity here than on another list I used to subscribe to. Glenna, thanks for forwarding the past letters, sure got a lot of info out of them. Have two questions for anyone out there: Have been ordering from Warner-Crivallaro, but am not familiar with Delphi (boy am I jealous of those fortunate people that live close to them, or even the glass manufacturers!), am satisfied with WC, but which do you like better. This is for my personal info and curiosity only. Secondly, I am fairly new to stained glass (1-1/2 yr., self taught) and I make a variety of things, I like boxes a lot but my very favorite things are windchimes (I design my own). Have purchased aluminum tubing from a local awning supplier, but its sooo plain, also fairly thick, but has a nice sound. I would like to expand into various wall thicknesses and diameters and perhaps anodized alum. as well. I know it exists, but so far the sources elude me. Any ideas? Happy soldering - UrselH in northern Florida PS. I, too, have to attend to gardening, subsequent putting up, sewing and a variety of other activities. Perhaps we all should give up sleeping, there would be so much more time for glass work!!! -- e ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with SMTP;30 May 1995 16:27:54 U Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGaa2-0000M0a; Tue, 30 May 95 16:20 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: hello there! Date: Tue, 30 May 95 19:20:19 18000 Message-ID: <199505302320.TAA13046@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk From owner-glass Tue May 30 18:44:29 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGcoq-0000Kxa; Tue, 30 May 95 18:43 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SGAA Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:44:11 -0700 Message-ID: <199505310144.AA26991@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard here...Sorry I have no input about SGAA, but most technical info can be obtained from your suppliers as there are many publications that are required with products that are sold. From owner-glass Wed May 31 05:08:08 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGmY9-0000Rha; Wed, 31 May 95 05:07 PDT To: rglass-1 X-Path: sysm.acs.virginia.edu!UD59 From: LAUREL HALL Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed May 31 05:06:57 1995 Message-ID: <1995Jun1.23857.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SENDER OF MESSAGE: KELLI@NETCOM.COM Hi Glenna, Howard, and all... Thanks for adding me to the glass mailing list. You-all seem like such a friendly bunch. Looks like there is more activity here than on another list I used to subscribe to. Glenna, thanks for forwarding the past letters, sure got a lot of info out of them. Have two questions for anyone out there: Have been ordering from Warner-Crivallaro, but am not familiar with Delphi (boy am I jealous of those fortunate people that live close to them, or even the glass manufacturers!), am satisfied with WC, but which do you like better. This is for my personal info and curiosity only. Secondly, I am fairly new to stained glass (1-1/2 yr., self taught) and I make a variety of things, I like boxes a lot but my very favorite things are windchimes (I design my own). Have purchased aluminum tubing from a local awning supplier, but its sooo plain, also fairly thick, but has a nice sound. I would like to expand into various wall thicknesses and diameters and perhaps anodized alum. as well. I know it exists, but so far the sources elude me. Any ideas? Happy soldering - UrselH in northern Florida PS. I, too, have to attend to gardening, subsequent putting up, sewing and a variety of other activities. Perhaps we all should give up sleeping, there would be so much more time for glass work!!! -- e *** Comments from UD59 - HALL, LAUREL; 05/31/95 08:02: Hi, Ursehl, I can't believe you make wind chimes! I've just been thinking that I'd love to start doing the same. I have no chimes and have been craving their sound. Any advice to someone who knows absolutely nothing about how to start? Are there any books on the subject that you've used? Thanks, Laurie in sunny Virginia. LAUREL HALL UD59@sysm.acs.Virginia.EDU From owner-glass Wed May 31 12:17:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGtG5-0000H9a; Wed, 31 May 95 12:16 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: wwind chimes Date: Wed, 31 May 95 15:17:10 EDT Message-ID: <199505311917.PAA11482@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you, thank you, to all you busy people in glass land and the real world, too, for your responses. You satisfied my curiosity. Nice to be on the same wave length. Laurie: I arrived at an actual working wind chime by trial and error and with the help of a very patient husband. The designs on top are easy, any sun catcher will do. Next decide on the pipe arrangenet: either in the round (5 make a pretty sound in 1" increments, 6 is good, too, but more is not necessary), or pan-flute style, all in a row. The row style needs more wind to sing. The secret to sound in the round is the inside diameter or space of the pipes: the smaller, the easier for the clapper to hit against. I wish you could have seen us try the first one: a) it had only 4 pipes about a mile apart, b) the pipes were copper (left over water pipe - I try to be thrifty) c) the pendulum below the clapper was too low and too heavy. But we found all this out much later. (There must be books on the subject, but I always do things "on my own" i.e., the hard way, ha). The pipes sounded very pretty when I held them in my hand, but didn't budge in the breeze. So we blew on them -- hard! - nothing. Hubby waved a cardboard box in front of it for increased circulation, no movement, so I dragged out the old power fan: it rearranged my entire workshop, but the darn pipes didn't say a word. Oh, they moved, but all in the same direction! Well, you had to be there. Anyway, if you do not find any books on how to make them, just go to a gift shop or garden store, they all carry oogles of different ones, and spy!!! After all, there is just so much to the basic construction of a chime, its our glass design that makes them different. Have given several away and the recipients seem to be very pleased with them. Oh, the aluminum tubing needs to be cut into the desired length (I use 6"to 15"), easiest done with a cutoff saw, then deburred, and two holes drilled (you'll need a jig and pref. a drill press) for the hanging strings (fishing line). Hope I wasn't too wordy. Gotta run now and make some pickles - my garden is overproducing!! (BTW, I have a surefire recipe for B&B pickles, if someone wants it, just contact me privately, and I'll e-mail it at once) --Happy soldering! UrselH=Ursel Howland. e From owner-glass Wed May 31 14:00:40 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGus5-0000QPa; Wed, 31 May 95 14:00 PDT X-Path: Camosun.BC.CA!COOPERD From: cooperd@Camosun.BC.CA To: glass@bungi.com Subject: wind chimes Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:58:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1995May31.55856.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Donna here, how's everyone doing? I'm still hanging in there keeping up with all the useful info, some of which is way over my head anyway its interesting, I'm still plugging away at my window of irises and will be celebrating when it's finally finished, unlike you professionals, this is quite a difficult project for me. Thanks for the info on the wind chimes Ursel I would love to try them, what kind of shape would you use for the glass piece and how many glass pieces would you use? By the way what part of the counrty are you from? harvesting your garden already. I'm from the west coast and have only picked a few lettuce leaves so far. bye for now. Donna!!!!glass alas!!! From owner-glass Wed May 31 16:39:41 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGxLb-0000Nia; Wed, 31 May 95 16:38 PDT X-Path: freenet.scri.fsu.edu!urselh From: Ursel Howland To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: wind chimes Date: Wed, 31 May 95 19:38:53 18000 Message-ID: <199505312338.TAA05806@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu> References: <<1995May31.55856.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Donna, just logged on again - I'm on a FREEnet :)))-- I drew up a nice tulip design for my mother (her favorite flower), just a bit larger than a sun catcher. Then I made a circle out of "tulip leaves", to which I soldered the tulips. The leaves lay flat and I positioned the tulips so they had some good sturdy solder spots. I attached small brass rings (jewelry type) on the inside of the leaves, to attach the fishing line for the chimes. Then I measured the circular space left between the tubes and made a round "clapper" out of scrap glass. I also made a single tulip and leaf the size of a small sun catcher, to be suspended below the pipes, so the wind can catch it and swing the clapper against the chimes. Both the clapper and "swinger" (??) are suspended with fishing line from a small ring soldered to the middle of the upper tulip design. Phew, this would be so much simpler if I could send you a drawing..... hope this helps. I live in the Florida Panhandle, below Tallahassee. Summer gardening starts in March, we are harvesting squash, cukes, tomatoes and corn,corn, corn, am done with beans, have put in second and third beds though, we have a nice long season. Lettuce has bolted - this (and peas, radishes etc is for the fall (!) and late winter. We love it here! - But then, California and Virginia and the rest of the Country is beautiful, too! Happy soldering - and if anyone finds some free time - please share it with me! UrselH -- e From owner-glass Wed May 31 17:15:07 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGxuR-0000Pza; Wed, 31 May 95 17:14 PDT X-Path: yfn.ysu.edu!at994 From: at994@yfn.ysu.edu (Karen Margala) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pricing? Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <199506010014.AA27856@yfn.ysu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I am looking for people who are in the business of selling their stained glass projects, whether it's at craft shows, through consignment, or to individuals. Do you have a formula you apply to each finished piece? I understand that through experience you learn what to charge, but I'm just starting out, and would appreciate any insights. Also, I do much of my supply ordering through Warner-Crivellaro, and it seem lately they're big on backorders. I just received an order I placed 4/20/95 a couple of days ago, and I have another one still on backorder from 5/11/95. The items that were out of stock weren't unusual , and I just wondered if anyone else was experiencing these delays. They do, however, have the best overall pricing. Thanks in advance for any help offered. -Karen From owner-glass Wed May 31 18:29:23 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGz4Q-0000Zta; Wed, 31 May 95 18:29 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!matmbc90 From: matmbc90@ix.netcom.com (Matthew J. McDonnell, Jr.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pricing? & W-C Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: <199506010128.SAA16364@ix5.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Karen, Matt & Terry here. We're still new at this, so we can't be much help in pricing. We'll probably wait for others to answer on that. As far as W-C, we agree, lots of backorders lately. In fact, we recently posted a note because we drove out there looking for night-light fixtures. With shows scheduled for the next two weeks, you can only imagine our disappointment when thay had none, and no indication of when more will arrive. (Howard to the rescue, but that's another story.) We guess that having the best prices, they're always in high demand. Suggestion: if you are planning on selling stuff, don't rely on an order to come in quickly (Murphy's Law). Call ahead regarding the stuff you absolutely need. We've also had success with Delphi, and we understand others will concur. They're a bit more expensive, but sometimes you have to make sacrifces to be ready for a show. Good luck. From owner-glass Wed May 31 19:02:36 1995 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sGzaV-00003Ba; Wed, 31 May 95 19:02 PDT X-Path: ednet1.osl.or.gov!erubin From: erubin@ednet1.osl.or.gov (Elaine Lea Rubin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pricing? Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:02:47 -0700 Message-ID: <199506010202.AA08671@ednet1.osl.or.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this is Howard... When In doubt, price it high, you can always drop down, or offer a deal...people will spend a lot of money to get somthing for nothing. ou need to keep a time clock on your work, keep track of material, even if you use ends, and figure what you want for a living wage. SELL quality and service , not price...there is always something cheaper. My lamps SELL for 10 to 15 times more than the imported stuff, and they do sell to people who can afford to buy the best. There have been other suppliers apperaing on the net, and most people seem pleased with their choices. I deal a little deeper and concentrate mostly on lamp related stuff. If you have specific questions on pricing certain items rather than stuff in general let me know. PS this was sorta directed at Karen. Enjoy