From owner-glass Mon Sep 1 11:16:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 10:51:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!rosa From: rosa@yahoo.com To: "Glenda" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Glenda Don't Miss Your Chance for Valiumm and Xanaxx Prozac.n;r r: Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:38:05 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Receive your pprescriptionn in a Discrete overnight package. quick delivery of Valiumm Xanaxxx Prozaccc at the cheapest prices http://sbrkjq@www.pharmacene.com/l/105/index.htm?glenda removefromlist email http://ieebh@www.pharmacene.com/l/105/index.htm?glenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 1 17:11:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1062457944" Subject: Problem soldering zinc Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:12:25 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk -------------------------------1062457944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, I have never worked with H zinc before and am having problems. I assembled a window with U zinc on the bottom, H zinc between the panes of glass and H lead around the top and sides. The solder won't "attach" to the H zinc. I didn't have problems where the U zinc met the lead or where the lead meets lead. I didn't have a wire brush so I cleaned the zinc with a fine grit sandpaper for metal, I also switched fluxes and the brand of solder, no luck. Any ideas? Thanks. Pat -------------------------------1062457944 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
I have never worked with H zinc before and am having problems.  I=20= assembled a window with U zinc on the bottom, H zinc between the panes of gl= ass and H lead around the top and sides.  The solder won't "attach" to=20= the H zinc.  I didn't have problems where the U zinc met the lead=20= or where the lead meets lead.  I didn't have a wire brush so I cleaned=20= the zinc with a fine grit sandpaper for metal, I also switched fluxes a= nd the brand of solder, no luck.
 
Any ideas? 
 
Thanks.
 
Pat
-------------------------------1062457944-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 1 18:12:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: blacknightfigures.com!autoresponder From: autoresponder@blacknightfigures.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Your message has been received Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:14:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@blacknightfigures.com> Precedence: bulk We have received your message and will reply soon=2E Thank you for contacting us=2E- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 03:11:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 02:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem soldering zinc Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Pat, Try holding your iron for about 10 seconds on the zinc before you apply any solder. Heating the zinc up really well is supposed to help. That's all I can think of, and must say I've never had a that problem. I wonder if your H zinc could be contaminated in any way. Suzanne on 9/1/03 7:12 PM, CncptThnkr@aol.com at CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I have never worked with H zinc before and am having problems. I assembled a > window with U zinc on the bottom, H zinc between the panes of glass and H > lead around the top and sides. The solder won't "attach" to the H zinc. I > didn't have problems where the U zinc met the lead or where the lead meets > lead. I > didn't have a wire brush so I cleaned the zinc with a fine grit sandpaper for > metal, I also switched fluxes and the brand of solder, no luck. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Pat > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 08:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: bctropicalshells.com!sales From: sales@bctropicalshells.com To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Thank you! Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: <200309021436.h82Ea6hh030937@lnl.ecsecure.com> References: <<200309021436.h82Ea1c3030905@lnl.ecsecure.com>> Precedence: bulk hello This is a autoresponse. Please make a note that we have moved to: Tropitek / BC Tropical Shell co. 107 - 5219 - 192nd Street, Surrey, BC, V3S8E5 Tel. 604-574-5060 Fax. 604-574-7060 thank you very much Paul Sharpe www.bcshell.com www.basketwrap.com www.cheapbaskets.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 09:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: CncptThnkr@aol.com, Glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BUNGI - Problem soldering zinc Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@earthlink.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Pat.. There are a number of variables in your soldering zinc question. What sort of solder are you using? Lead free? Or 50/50, or 60/40, or even 63/37? The sandpaper idea of cleaning isn't a bad idea.. but did you wipe the sanded areas down with some sort of cleaner, like alcohol or paint thinner? When you finished the sanding, was the zinc really nice and bright? How big of an iron are you using? While 80 watt is an industry "standard", I've found them a bit wanting for soldering zinc, I prefer a larger iron.. 200 watts or so myself. Try playing around on a scrap of zinc.. see what sort of combination of solder, flux, and heat it takes for the solder to bond to the zinc. Zinc is formed, not extruded.. and for that reason there's more of a "heat sink" effect when soldering the zinc, which requires much more heat to do a decent job. You may also try not only sanding, but using some medium to fine steel wool on the zinc, to better clean the area to be soldered. The surface of the zinc has a thin layer of zinc oxide on it, just as all of the lead has a thin layer of lead oxide. However, zinc oxide is much harder than the lead is.. and thus may take a good bit more effort to remove it so that you're soldering to the "virgin" metal. It can be done.. it may just require a bit more cleaning and fluxing, and a larger iron to provide a bigger "volume" of heat to the joints. Peace -Gerry Phibbs, IGGA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 09:12:19 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: mindspring.com!jesulli From: "Joyce Sullivan" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Problem soldering zinc Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>> Precedence: bulk Since you're having trouble, you should try to get a brass brush to clean the zinc thoroughly. Since zinc H is used less frequently than the other cames, it may have been on the shelf for a long time and oxidized. If the brush doesn't work, a strong flux made with muriatic acid will work (it's so strong, I think it always works. USE CAUTION!). We carry it in the store but don't ship it. If you have a store near you, you can ask about it. Joyce Sullivan The Place For Cool Tools! www.HarmonyStainedGlass.com 4416 Fairmont Parkway Pasadena TX 77504 Phone: 281-998-3381 Fax: 281-998-3392 -----Original Message----- From: suzanne albright [mailto:suzi1025@ptdprolog.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:28 AM To: bungi Subject: Re: Problem soldering zinc Pat, Try holding your iron for about 10 seconds on the zinc before you apply any solder. Heating the zinc up really well is supposed to help. That's all I can think of, and must say I've never had a that problem. I wonder if your H zinc could be contaminated in any way. Suzanne on 9/1/03 7:12 PM, CncptThnkr@aol.com at CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I have never worked with H zinc before and am having problems. I assembled a > window with U zinc on the bottom, H zinc between the panes of glass and H > lead around the top and sides. The solder won't "attach" to the H zinc. I > didn't have problems where the U zinc met the lead or where the lead meets > lead. I > didn't have a wire brush so I cleaned the zinc with a fine grit sandpaper for > metal, I also switched fluxes and the brand of solder, no luck. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Pat > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 12:10:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Window Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk 12x60 feet? big window, and even bigger entrance. is it the entrance to a warehouse? it'd weigh a few tons, and you'd have to find a really big table. i'm not sure how you'd flip it to solder the back, or even install it without making lots of smaller panels. about the largest foiled one that i've ever seen was 8'x8' and it had a few large rebars in it. regards, charlie cave creek, az -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Taylor [mailto:carolynmt@se.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:12 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Window I have a rectangle window with glass about 12'x60' above my entrance double doors that I would like to do in stained glass. Should this be done in sections or one piece ? Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 13:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: BUNGI - Problem soldering zinc Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:15:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry Phibbs [mailto:glasscutter@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 2:38 PM > To: CncptThnkr@aol.com; Glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: BUNGI - Problem soldering zinc > > > Hi Pat.. > > Zinc is formed, not extruded.. and for that reason there's more of a > "heat sink" effect when soldering the zinc, which requires much more > heat to do a decent job. > huh? how does the method of forming cause this? i would think it's the melting temp difference between zinc and lead/tin, and the hardness, which affect how much of a heat sink it is. regards, charlie cave creek, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 2 14:16:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: thewatchman.com!WatchesRme From: "Customer Service" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: automated response Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:17:56 -0700 Message-ID: <10309021417.AA02220@www.thewatchman.com> Precedence: bulk Dear customer. We are being overloaded with virus e mails at this time. They are coming by the 100's. We are trying to do everything we can to get this under control, and to serve you better. Please forgive us if you have not received a response to your e mail within 24 hours, {excluding holidays and weekends.} If it happens that you do not receive a response within this time, please resend your e mail. Thank you for your understanding during this time. WatchesRme ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 3 10:12:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:44:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: BUNGI - Problem soldering zinc Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 09:17:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk well, i'm not sure i buy that. you're talking about the surface area causing the heat dissipation difference. thought exercise: take a rod 1" in diameter. you can calculate the external surface area pretty easily. take a 1 sqft piece of very thin zinc sheet. roll it such that there is no interior surfaces. what is the surface area? turns out to be the same. all the places the zinc touches conducts heat between the two surfaces, since there is no air gap providing insulation. i've never seen zinc H. if the leaves are pressed flat such that the heat will conduct across it, then the surface area of the H made from either a flat sheet or extruded will be the same. therefore, to my thinking, there won't be any difference in the heat dissipation. there would be a difference if the zinc H wasn't tightly folded, since an air gap would cause an insulating effect between the leaves. your argument about unfolding it and then measuring the heat dissipation doesn't work, since you're not using it in that form when you're heating it. metals have a specific heat absorption rate. doing a google search on this topic reveals http://www.jspeed.net/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=636 (see the 2nd comment about the heat absorption for aluminum vs steel). i can't seem to find a table on the different rates for different metals, but i'm sure there is one. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry Phibbs [mailto:glasscutter@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:13 PM > To: Spitzer, Charlie; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: BUNGI - Problem soldering zinc > > > Hi Charlie.. > > To my way of thinking.. which is certainly open to debate.. > and heavy > medication!.. If you were to take a piece of that H zinc, > and unfold it > and flatten it out, you'd have a fair sized piece of fairly > thin zinc. > That's a lot of surface area there.. without a whole lot of > thickness to it. > > Now, any heat applied to that flattened out piece of zinc.. is very > readily going to be drawn off over the piece, due to the considerable > surface area. Now, I do understand that when it's all formed up into > the H, it's a bit more compact, and there are surfaces touching and so > forth. But, when compared to a solid H formed of lead, or brass, or > even solid zinc.. there's far less surface area available, compared to > the amount of material in the extrusion. > > So, for me, soldering formed zinc cames require a good bit more heat > than a solid extrusion, simply because the proportion of > surface area to > volume is so great. The heat from the soldering iron simply > gets "drawn > off" a good bit easier (and quicker), and without a large enough > "reservoir" of heat from the iron, the metal never reaches the proper > temperature to bond with the solder, even if the solder is melted onto > the zinc first. The result is a deposit of solder that can be flaked > off fairly easily. > > So, that's my take on the issue.. the forming does make a difference > in the way the heat from the iron is dissipated by the formed zinc, > requiring more initial heat, and more of a heat "reservoir" > in the iron > itself, to properly solder the material. > > Feel free to disagree with me.. I won't mind.. but after > working with > the stuff.. that's my theory on why it's more difficult, and I'm > sticking to it! (grin) > > Peace -Gerry > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 3 20:17:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!studios From: "Timothy Atwood" To: "Carolyn Taylor" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C37250.1762B1C0" Subject: Re: Window Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:18:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@holtenwood.bc.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@se.rr.com>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C37250.1762B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am assuming you mean 12" X 60" (1' X 5'). Should not be a problem to have one section once installed. At only one = foot wide it should not have a flexing or support problem. And the 5' = high is not tall enough to cause a weight problem once installed = vertically. As a single window, you may have a little bit of trouble turning it over = while you build it. You will need to support it well as you turn it = over. If you try to simply flip it over by grabbing the edge and = lifting, it will be difficult to do without a lot of flex over the 5' = length. A lot of damaging flex. If it fits your design, you may find it easier to build in sections. If you want it in one section, make sure it is supported across the = entire length when you moving it during manufacture and installation. Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood Holtenwood Studios http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carolyn Taylor=20 To: glass@bungi.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Window I have a rectangle window with glass about 12'x60' above my entrance = double doors that I would like to do in stained glass. Should this be = done in sections or one piece ? =20 = Carolyn ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C37250.1762B1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am assuming you mean 12" X 60" (1' X = 5').
 
Should not be a problem to have one section = once=20 installed. At only one foot wide it should not have a flexing or support = problem. And the 5' high is not tall enough to cause a weight problem = once=20 installed vertically.
 
As a single window, you may have a little bit of = trouble=20 turning it over while you build it. You will need to support it well as = you turn=20 it over. If you try to simply flip it over by grabbing the edge and = lifting, it=20 will be difficult to do without a lot of flex over the 5' length. A lot = of=20 damaging flex.
 
If it fits your design, you may find it easier to = build in=20 sections.
 
If you want it in one section, make sure it is = supported=20 across the entire length when you moving it during manufacture and=20 installation.
 
Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood
Holtenwood = Studios
http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca= /studios/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carolyn=20 Taylor
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 = 1:11=20 PM
Subject: Window

I have a rectangle window with glass = about=20 12'x60' above my entrance double doors that I would like to  do = in=20 stained glass. Should this be done in sections or one piece=20 ?   
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;      =20 Carolyn
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"Thanks!" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 5 14:10:59 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: ipcoop.com!cwarren From: cwarren@ipcoop.com To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--=aab7c97f-b6b4-44c3-849c-17a82d8241e0" Subject: Your email message was blocked Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ipcoop.com> Precedence: bulk ----=aab7c97f-b6b4-44c3-849c-17a82d8241e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MailMarshal (an automated content monitoring gateway) has not delivered the following message: Message: B00008d1b7.00000000.mml From: GLASS@BUNGI.COM To: kstine@ipcoop.com Subject: Re: Re: My details This is due to automatic rules that have determined that the intended recipient is not authorized to receive messages with certain potentially dangerous filetypes attached. 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MailMarshal Rule: Inbound : Block Suspicious Attachments For more information on email virus scanning, security and content management, visit http://www.marshalsoftware.com ----=aab7c97f-b6b4-44c3-849c-17a82d8241e0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 5 22:09:46 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: totalise.co.uk!SFESeminarsLtd From: "Robert Seviour" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Our next seminars dates Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 04:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Selling for Engineers One-day Seminar Edinburgh Wed 3rd September 2003 Gatwick Thurs 25th September 2003 Amsterdam Fri 3rd October 2003 Belfast Wed 8th October 2003 Dublin Wed 15th October 2003 Boston Wed 29th October 2003 Chicago Mon 2nd November 2003 Dallas Thurs 6th November 2003 San Jose Wed 12th November 2003 Seattle Fri 14th November 2003 Denver Thurs 20th November 2003 Toronto Tues 25th November 2003 The Selling for Engineers seminar is a good introduction to effective sales principles for people who are new to selling, and also a useful refresher for 'old hands'. It applies to selling both technical products and intangible services. Many Sales Engineers have been learning the technical skills of their job for years but have had little formal training in selling. This course helps correct that imbalance. Typical job titles of delegates: Sales Engineer, Account Executive and Business Development Manager. Fee for this event is £300. Telephone Sales Prospecting for Engineers One-day Workshop Leeds Mon 22nd September 2003 Belfast Thurs 9th October 2003 Dublin Thurs 16th October 2003 This event is a practical workshop teaching people in technical companies how to find new customers on the phone. It is applicable to business development for both tangible products and intangible services. The first session addresses whom to target, what to say and how to handle problems. The remainder of the day consists of live sales calls with coaching from Robert Seviour; the objective being to give delegates some positive experiences of prospecting, make sales appointments and maybe sell something! Please note that this telephone sales prospecting event is restricted to a maximum of six delegates to permit individual coaching. Fee for this event is £300. Closing Techniques Workshop Half day workshop Edinburgh Wed 4th September 2003 Birmingham Fri 19th September 2003 Leeds Tues 23rd September 2003 Gatwick Fri 26th September 2003 Belfast Fri 10th October 2003 Dublin Fri 17th October 2003 Boston Thurs 30th October 2003 Chicago Tues 3rd November 2003 Dallas Fri 7th November 2003 San Jose Thurs 13th November 2003 Seattle Mon 17th November 2003 Denver Fri 21st November 2003 Toronto Wed 26th November 2003 What if the customer says: " " 'It's too expensive' " " 'We're happy with our present supplier' " " 'I want to think about it' Can you handle these common objections? By far the most efficient way to be more profitable is to turn more of the enquiries you receive into paid orders. For this, the ability to resolve objections is critical - either you close or you lose the sale. And if you answer 'How much discount will you give me?' with: 'I'll ask my boss', you waste profit, which could be yours with a better reply. In only half a day I will teach you techniques which overcome these objections and more. You will be able to use them immediately to win profitable orders. There is no need to lose business to your competitors or give big discounts. The price for the workshop is low, only £145. If you have never had any formal sales training or need a refresher, don't continue to work at a disadvantage. 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We will remove your details promptly. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 10 05:16:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!raika8ex From: "Debora Mcneal" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_16FB16.E4_B_9B58E_.3._E" Subject: Site Dedicated to Valiumm and Xanaxx aAmbien.linebacker w rzahkpfxkmam Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:57:03 -0300 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk --_16FB16.E4_B_9B58E_.3._E Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+DQo8aGVhZD4NCjwvaGVhZD4NCjxib2R5Pg0KPHAgYWxpZ249ImNlbnRlciI+PGEg aHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2FuZG92ZXJAd3d3LnBoYXJtYWN5LW1hcnQubmV0Lz9zYWJsZSI+PGlt ZyBib3JkZXI9IjAiIHNyYz0iaHR0cDovL2ppYmVAd3d3LnBoYXJtYWN5LW1hcnQubmV0L2lt YWdlcy9BZC1JbWFnZS5qcGc/cHJpbnRvdXQiPjwvYT48L3A+DQo8cCBhbGlnbj0iY2VudGVy Ij48YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vZGVzcGlzZUB3d3cucGhhcm1hY3ktbWFydC5uZXQvcmVtb3Zl PyVVU0VSX05BTUUiPjxmb250IGNvbG9yPSIjOTlDQ0ZGIiBzaXplPSIxIj5tYWJlbGxlYXZl b3VybGlzdDwvZm9udD48L2E+PC9wPg0KPC9ib2R5Pg0KPC9odG1sPm50dXZjZGpoZA0KcGRo Z3pyaQ0KeHcgIHU= --_16FB16.E4_B_9B58E_.3._E-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 10 15:12:05 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: plateautel.net!daily-dish From: Allrecipes To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------ICJRATUJ36TRFX" Subject: The Daily Dish - Rempel Family Meatloaf Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk ------------ICJRATUJ36TRFX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: prudential.com!lucille.cava From: lucille.cava@prudential.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I must have been dropped... Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:33:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@prudential.com> Precedence: bulk Can you please add me back onto the mailing list lu1ubabie@att.net Thank you in advance. Lucille ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 11 11:20:04 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:45:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!studios From: "Timothy Atwood" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The Daily Dish - Rempel Family Meatloaf Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@holtenwood.bc.ca> References: <> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk I hope everyone at Bungi had the sense to NOT open the attachment on the original of the email below. There is absolutely no reason for a recipe to be a ".pif" file. ".pif" files are executables and in emails usually contain viruses. My McAfee with a virus dat only a week old did not catch it, so it may be either a new virus or variant. Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood Holtenwood Studios http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios/ Timothy Atwood Holtenwood Computing http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allrecipes" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: The Daily Dish - Rempel Family Meatloaf > > >
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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 11 12:15:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: lvcm.com!ejr929 From: "Ed Rogers" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C37859.90F69F10" Subject: Unsubscribe - Fourth Request Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:40:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@lvcm.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@prudential.com>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C37859.90F69F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the FOURTH request I have made over the past several weeks, and = you still have not taken me off your list. What do I have to do to get = off this mailing list? Just who is in charge of this list, and why = don't you honor my request? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ed Rogers ejr929@cox.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C37859.90F69F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is the FOURTH=20 request I have made over the past several weeks, and you still = have not=20 taken me off your list.  What do I have to do to get off this = mailing=20 list?  Just who is in charge of this list, and why don't you honor = my=20 request?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C37859.90F69F10-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 11 15:28:50 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!studios From: "Timothy Atwood" To: "Ed Rogers" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C37875.CB2F7E60" Subject: Re: Unsubscribe - Fourth Request Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:03:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@holtenwood.bc.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@lvcm.com>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C37875.CB2F7E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As per the bottom of every message you have been receiving from this = list: "For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com" 1) As another list subscriber with no connection to the people running = this list I must ask: Why are you subjecting everyone else on this list = to your over emphasized and rude emails? Especially when you are sending = your requests to the wrong place? Especially when the correct place is = listed in everything sent from this list? 2) Although I do not in any way administer this list, I do know it is = administered by volunteers who do it out of the goodness of their hearts = and their love for glass. They receive nothing in return. So even if you = have been sending your requests to the correct place, it is still rude = to act this way to volunteers who take care of this sort of work on = there own time for no financial return. 3) Have you checked the email headers of the messages your are = receiving? Are they truly coming from Bungi? The Sobig.F virus disguises = many it's emails with a spoofed "from address". For some reason, the = bungi email address seems to be picked up frequently for these spoofed = from addresses. It is possible you are already un-subscribed and the = messages are really coming from someone infected by Sobig.F. If the = message is truly from Bungi, the original "received from" in the email = header will be "daver.bungi.com". If it is not, please direct your = comments to the ISP and or server of the person who is sending out the = spoofed emails. 4) If this is really bothering you this much, why don't you set up an = email rule to handle it? In less time than it took to format your = message below with all those red letters and junk, you could have set up = an email rule to delete any message from bungi from your ISP's server = before they are ever delivered to you. This would take care of both your = subscription problems (if any) and any spoofed Bungi email addresses. I will thank you to be more patient and pay attention to who/what/where = you are sending your rude emails to next time. - Tim Atwood ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Rogers=20 To: glass@bungi.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Unsubscribe - Fourth Request This is the FOURTH request I have made over the past several weeks, = and you still have not taken me off your list. What do I have to do to = get off this mailing list? Just who is in charge of this list, and why = don't you honor my request? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Ed Rogers ejr929@cox.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C37875.CB2F7E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As per the bottom of every message you have been = receiving=20 from this list:
 
"For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com"

1) As another list subscriber with no connection = to the=20 people running this list I must ask: Why are you subjecting everyone = else on=20 this list to your over emphasized and rude emails? Especially when you = are=20 sending your requests to the wrong place? Especially when the correct = place is=20 listed in everything sent from this list?
 
2) Although I do not in any way administer this = list, I do=20 know it is administered by volunteers who do it out of the goodness of = their=20 hearts and their love for glass. They receive nothing in return. So even = if you=20 have been sending your requests to the correct place, it is still rude = to act=20 this way to volunteers who take care of this sort of work on there own = time for=20 no financial return.
 
3) Have you checked the email headers of the = messages your are=20 receiving? Are they truly coming from Bungi? The Sobig.F virus disguises = many=20 it's emails with a spoofed "from address". For some reason, the bungi = email=20 address seems to be picked up frequently for these spoofed from=20 addresses. It is possible you are already un-subscribed and the = messages=20 are really coming from someone infected by Sobig.F. If the message is = truly from=20 Bungi, the original "received from" in the email header will be=20 "daver.bungi.com". If it is not, please direct your comments to = the ISP and=20 or server of the person who is sending out the spoofed = emails.
 
4) If this is really bothering you this much, why = don't you=20 set up an email rule to handle it? In less time than it took to format = your=20 message below with all those red letters and junk, you could have set up = an=20 email rule to delete any message from bungi from your ISP's server = before they=20 are ever delivered to you. This would take care of both your = subscription=20 problems (if any) and any spoofed Bungi email addresses.
 
I will thank you to be more patient and pay = attention to=20 who/what/where you are sending your rude emails to next = time.
- Tim Atwood
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed = Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 11, = 2003 11:40=20 AM
Subject: Unsubscribe - Fourth=20 Request

This is the FOURTH=20 request I have made over the past several weeks, and you still = have not=20 taken me off your list.  What do I have to do to get off this = mailing=20 list?  Just who is in charge of this list, and why don't you = honor my=20 request?
 
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C37875.CB2F7E60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 11 17:09:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!CUngv From: CUngv@aol.com To: ejr929@lvcm.com, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unsubscribe - Fourth Request (Bungi) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:44:37 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Dear Ed, I agree with everything Tim Atwood said. You have acted like a clod. Carolyn Gilinsky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 12 15:14:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!karensgiftshop3 From: "Karen" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Register For A Free Gift to be given away September 30, 2003 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:48:34 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk
Hi
 
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Make sure you register with us so that you will be eligible for our free
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This makes a great gift for the person who collects the new
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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 13 05:38:55 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.22020900.2c944f1d_boundary" Subject: Re:Need Help with Cabinet Doors. Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:44:45 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_3f.22020900.2c944f1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Hope everyone is doing well. I have two cabinet doors to make. They have an arch at the top. I have done rectangular ones before and have had no problem. The base of the door is squared. When it comes to the upper part from the outside lines it comes in about two inches before the arch starts. The arch itself is about three inches high from the top horizontal line. I have drawn two patterns and neither one fit when it came to the arch. This really has me puzzled. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance. Your friend in glass, Ken O Decorative Glass --part1_3f.22020900.2c944f1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,

Hope everyone is doing well.  I have two cabinet doors to make. They ha= ve an arch at the top. I have done rectangular ones before and have had no p= roblem.  The base of the door is squared.  When it comes to the up= per part from the outside lines it comes in about two inches before the arch= starts. The arch itself is about three inches high from the top horizontal=20= line. I have drawn two patterns and neither one fit when it came to the arch= . This really has me puzzled. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance.

Your friend in glass,

Ken O
Decorative Glass


 --part1_3f.22020900.2c944f1d_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 13 08:55:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Need Help with Cabinet Doors. Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:29:40 +0100 Message-ID: <20030913132940.VFPY3505.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@sn010947420129> Precedence: bulk At 06:44 13/09/2003 EDT, Ken O wrote: >Hi All, > >Hope everyone is doing well. I have two cabinet doors to make. They have an >arch at the top. I have done rectangular ones before and have had no problem. >The base of the door is squared. When it comes to the upper part from the >outside lines it comes in about two inches before the arch starts. The arch >itself is about three inches high from the top horizontal line. I have drawn two >patterns and neither one fit when it came to the arch. This really has me >puzzled. What am I doing wrong? The easiest way to get the right shape for an arched cabinet door would be to lay or tape (depending on whether you can remove the door or have to work in situ) a large piece of paper over the opening on the side the glass will fit (usually the back) and mark where the little ledge (rebate) onto which the panel will be fitted comes. Press firmly with your fingers or thumbs and you should see an intendation showing where this is that you can draw over with a marker to make it more visible. Then stick this to a large piece of cardboard or wood (something that will not bend too much) and cut around the shape so you have it cut out in a stiff material. This is your template. Then try to fit the template where the panel will go onto the back of the door. You may need to adjust it at this stage. Dont be tempted to bend it to wiggle it into place as your panel wont do this!! Once you can see it is the correct shape use a marker to mark on the template where the frame of the door overlaps the template on the front of the door. This will show how much of the panel will be visible when fitted and aloow you to decide what width of lead came to use on the outside edge of your panel. Decide whether you want to see the edging or not and use a width that suits this. Now you can draw your design onto this template or use the template to draw the shape on another piece of paper. You should try the template into both door openings and check for fit and overlap as they will not necessarily be exactly the same!! If your panels are exactly or a smidgen smaller than the template(s) they will fit. Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 13 13:17:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: mindspring.com!jesulli From: "Joyce Sullivan" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Need Help with Cabinet Doors. Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:59:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> References: <<20030913132940.VFPY3505.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@sn010947420129>> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth - That was an excellent description on how to make a template. I would like to add that you should mark the front on the template because it might not fit if it's turned around. Joyce Sullivan The Place For Cool Tools! www.HarmonyStainedGlass.com 4416 Fairmont Parkway Pasadena TX 77504 Phone: 281-998-3381 Toll-Free: 866-998-3381 Fax: 281-998-3392 -----Original Message----- From: studio@stainedglass.co.uk [mailto:studio@stainedglass.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:30 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Need Help with Cabinet Doors. At 06:44 13/09/2003 EDT, Ken O wrote: >Hi All, > >Hope everyone is doing well. I have two cabinet doors to make. They have an >arch at the top. I have done rectangular ones before and have had no problem. >The base of the door is squared. When it comes to the upper part from the >outside lines it comes in about two inches before the arch starts. The arch >itself is about three inches high from the top horizontal line. I have drawn two >patterns and neither one fit when it came to the arch. This really has me >puzzled. What am I doing wrong? The easiest way to get the right shape for an arched cabinet door would be to lay or tape (depending on whether you can remove the door or have to work in situ) a large piece of paper over the opening on the side the glass will fit (usually the back) and mark where the little ledge (rebate) onto which the panel will be fitted comes. Press firmly with your fingers or thumbs and you should see an intendation showing where this is that you can draw over with a marker to make it more visible. Then stick this to a large piece of cardboard or wood (something that will not bend too much) and cut around the shape so you have it cut out in a stiff material. This is your template. Then try to fit the template where the panel will go onto the back of the door. You may need to adjust it at this stage. Dont be tempted to bend it to wiggle it into place as your panel wont do this!! Once you can see it is the correct shape use a marker to mark on the template where the frame of the door overlaps the template on the front of the door. This will show how much of the panel will be visible when fitted and aloow you to decide what width of lead came to use on the outside edge of your panel. Decide whether you want to see the edging or not and use a width that suits this. Now you can draw your design onto this template or use the template to draw the shape on another piece of paper. You should try the template into both door openings and check for fit and overlap as they will not necessarily be exactly the same!! If your panels are exactly or a smidgen smaller than the template(s) they will fit. Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 17 16:10:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:42:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: sympatico.ca!stephen5 From: "karen kovacs" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C37D4B.06050F80" Subject: COPPER Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:39:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C37D4B.06050F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI, FOLKS, CAN ANYONE OUT THERE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET COPPER WIRE = (THICK) TO USE IN MY WORK. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE AT HARDWARE STORES AND = I CAN ONLY FIND ROLLS OF THIN COPPER AT THE STAINED GLASS STORES HERE. = I HAD FOUND A LOT OF IT AT A YARD SALE BUT USED IT ALL. HAD TO TAKE THE = INSULATION OFF BUT WAS WORTH IT. THANKS, KAREN KOVACS, CANADA ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C37D4B.06050F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI, FOLKS,  CAN ANYONE OUT THERE = TELL ME=20 WHERE I CAN GET COPPER WIRE (THICK) TO USE IN MY WORK.   IT'S = VERY=20 EXPENSIVE AT HARDWARE STORES AND I CAN ONLY FIND ROLLS OF THIN COPPER AT = THE=20 STAINED GLASS STORES HERE.   I HAD FOUND A LOT OF IT AT A YARD = SALE=20 BUT USED IT ALL.  HAD TO TAKE THE INSULATION OFF BUT WAS WORTH=20 IT.
 
THANKS,  KAREN KOVACS,=20 CANADA
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C37D4B.06050F80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 17 18:10:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: COPPER Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:13:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk metal salvage or scrap yards. regards, charlie cave creek, az ps: your caps lock key is stuck on -----Original Message----- From: karen kovacs [mailto:stephen5@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:39 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: COPPER HI, FOLKS, CAN ANYONE OUT THERE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET COPPER WIRE (THICK) TO USE IN MY WORK. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE AT HARDWARE STORES AND I CAN ONLY FIND ROLLS OF THIN COPPER AT THE STAINED GLASS STORES HERE. I HAD FOUND A LOT OF IT AT A YARD SALE BUT USED IT ALL. HAD TO TAKE THE INSULATION OFF BUT WAS WORTH IT. THANKS, KAREN KOVACS, CANADA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 17 20:09:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: Timothy Atwood , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: re[2]: The Daily Dish - Rempel Family Meatloaf Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Bungi Friends,=20 =20 Although I have sophisticated anti-virus programs, my 'IT' guy (who charges me = far to much money, 'I think') told me not to open any attachments with the = labels vbs, bat, exe, pif, or scr. These are well known to have bugs, so = everyone at Glastar has these posted on their computers. Thank you,=20 Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 17 21:10:00 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: charter.net!mbeisner From: "MB" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C37D67.ED510800" Subject: Re: COPPER Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@charter.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C37D67.ED510800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Karen Go to a big home improvement place, in the electrical aisle, they should = have ground wire in 4,6, and 8 gauge. I'll warn you, this is pretty = heavy stuff but it's 100% copper, no coating, no insulation, and nothing = to mess with before using it. I stay away from the 4 gauge, can't cut = it! I use an old lead dykes to cut the other stuff and if I get weak, I = just "score" it, then bend it back and forth a few times till it breaks. = If you want to tin it, flux it good and use your biggest iron on the = highest setting and it works like a charm. It's available in whole 500 = ft rolls here as well as by the foot. I just buy the whole rolls and it = costs about $50-60 (US), don't know what it is by the foot. If you're = looking for a lighter gauge, in the same aisle look for stranded ground = wire. Again, no coating, no insulation, just 100% copper. It will = probably have 7 strands of wire so you have to unwind them but the = individual strands are probably around a 12, maybe 14 gauge. By you, = they might have different stuff but you should be able to find = something. If nothing else, here's a link to a online place. Never = ordered from them but what they have sounds good and you don't have to = buy a million rolls of it. http://onlinemetals.com/ Of course now = that I look, I didn't see the wire section but they might have it. Of = the online places, YGlass.com has the best price I've seen so far for = the pre-tinned stuff, their shipping is a bit slow but at least the wire = is cheap. I think I saved about 50% compared to getting it at the sg = shop by me. Hope this helps, have a good search! Later, Mary ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C37D67.ED510800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Karen
Go to a big home improvement place, = in the=20 electrical aisle, they should have ground wire in 4,6, and 8 = gauge.  I'll=20 warn you, this is pretty heavy stuff but it's 100% copper, no coating, = no=20 insulation, and nothing to mess with before using it.  I stay away = from the=20 4 gauge, can't cut it!  I use an old lead dykes to cut the other = stuff and=20 if I get weak, I just "score" it, then bend it back and forth a few = times till=20 it breaks.  If you want to tin it, flux it good and use your = biggest iron=20 on the highest setting and it works like a charm.  It's available = in whole=20 500 ft rolls here as well as by the foot.  I just buy the whole = rolls and=20 it costs about $50-60 (US), don't know what it is by the foot.  If = you're=20 looking for a lighter gauge, in the same aisle look for stranded ground=20 wire.  Again, no coating, no insulation, just 100% copper.  It = will=20 probably have 7 strands of wire so you have to unwind them but the = individual=20 strands are probably around a 12, maybe 14 gauge.  By you, they = might have=20 different stuff but you should be able to find something.  If = nothing else,=20 here's a link to a online place.  Never ordered from them but what = they=20 have sounds good and you don't have to buy a million rolls of = it.   http://onlinemetals.com/  Of = course now=20 that I look, I didn't see the wire section but they might have it.  = Of the=20 online places, YGlass.com has the best price I've seen so far for the = pre-tinned=20 stuff, their shipping is a bit slow but at least the wire is = cheap.  I=20 think I saved about 50% compared to getting it at the sg shop by = me.  Hope=20 this helps, have a good search!  Later, = Mary
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C37D67.ED510800-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 17 22:13:08 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: sympatico.ca!ron.amero From: "Ron Amero" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: re[2]: The Daily Dish - Rempel Family Meatloaf Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:11:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> References: <> Precedence: bulk Buy "your IT guy" a coffee. He has saved you much grief and money and downtime. Files with these attachments often ARE the bugs in disguise; they are executables that run and do their evil thing when opened or double clicked. And don't give in to curiosity to see what's in the attachment! Just delete it. -----Original Message----- From: Lori J. Mitchell [mailto:lmitchell@glastar.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:46 PM To: Timothy Atwood; glass@bungi.com Subject: re[2]: The Daily Dish - Rempel Family Meatloaf Dear Bungi Friends, Although I have sophisticated anti-virus programs, my 'IT' guy (who charges me far to much money, 'I think') told me not to open any attachments with the labels vbs, bat, exe, pif, or scr. These are well known to have bugs, so everyone at Glastar has these posted on their computers. Thank you, Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 18 23:20:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:09:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: karen kovacs , glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Bungi - Re: COPPER Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:58:50 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@earthlink.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk Hi Karen.. What is "thick" in your terms? Copper wire is sized by the AWG gauge of the wire.. meaning there are number values to each size. The smaller the number, the larger the wire. For example, #4 wire is really pretty thick.. like almost the size of a regular pencil, if you can find it in solid wire. As I recall, #6 was the largest solid wire commonly available.. bigger than that is usually stranded. Number 36 wire.. is about as fine as hair.. so there's a big difference in there. I don't know what it is you've been buying.. but if you're buying #14 or #16 copper wire in those little plastic "handy packs" at the hardware store.. yes.. that's a bit overpriced for what it is. That material is marketed that way for hobbyist and craftspeople, as well as a number of mechanical repairs. Visit the "service" department of your local independent hardware store, where they sell electrical wire by the foot. Typically, the sizes in stock will be #14, #12, and perhaps #10 and #8 - much depends on the individual store, and what local building codes are.. I have no clue as to what they may be in Canada.. for all I know they're sized in metric and French? (grin) There are basically two ways to go. If #14 or #12 is the size you're looking for.. first look at the "NM Plastic coated" house wiring cable. This stuff is typically designated 14-2 NM, or 12-2 NM (NM = non metallic) Underneath that (typically) white plastic jacket, are three wires, one with a black plastic cover, one with a white plastic cover, and one bare wire in the middle. All three wires are exactly the same size, the bare wire is used for a ground in electrical applications. Now, NM wire is really a low margin item.. it's promoted and is typically competitively priced, and is available in ready cut rolls, usually 25 feet, 50 feet, or 100 feet. A contractors full roll is usually 250 feet. I can't recall pricing at the moment.. but the price is usually fairly cheap per foot, and each foot of NM cable contains three wires. Yes, it will require that you strip off the plastic jacket, and strip the coated wires.. but that's really no big deal.. for glass work you'll typically be using a few feet at any given time, not hundreds of feet. It's a reasonable and relatively inexpensive way to get the wire, at least in #12 or #14 (smaller) size. If that doesn't appeal to you.. look for some "bare" grounding wire. Typically this is #8 in gauge, since that's what's code for electrical panel grounding. It's just plain copper wire, on a large spool. However, because it's for a specific use, and is NOT a price sensitive item, you may well find that prices will vary all over the place. But, #8 is a fair sized chunk of wire as well, and that's possibly what you're after. If you're looking for something larger, at a lower price.. consider copper refrigeration tubing, it's typically available in 3/16" and 1/4" sizes.. and it's much cheaper than a solid copper wire of similar size. In my experience, the tubing does a very good job of reinforcement, without the extra expense or hassle in bending it. In times when I've been really concerned.. I have run a section of solid wire down inside the tubing.. that's an extremely strong sort of reinforcement, but it's not necessary most of the time. Good luck, and.. Peace -Gerry, IGGA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 19 01:15:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bungi : wire sizes Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:34:55 +0100 Message-ID: <20030919073455.QXHE2405.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@sn010947420129> Precedence: bulk If anyone is not sure how to tell what thickness any wire is likely to be from its SWG (AWG in USA I think) #, here is something I was told that helped me to get it straight in my head. The number - 12, 6, 20 etc relates to the number of lengths of that thickness of wire you would get in an inch if you laid lots of lengths alongside each other. So #12 wire is one twelfth of an inch in diameter, #6 is one sixth of an inch, #20 is one twentieth of an inch and so on. Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 19 15:18:51 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:41:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!rcraft From: "Reg Craft" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0176_01C36F4B.8618ABE0" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:07:45 -0300 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@nbnet.nb.ca> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C36F4B.8618ABE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am getting too many viruses from the list. 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------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C36F4B.8618ABE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 19 15:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: peak.org!inhockdeep From: "InHockDeep" To: "bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01C37EBB.8C0C3420" Subject: messages from microsoft (NOT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@peak.org> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C37EBB.8C0C3420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable seeing as how I still am on the list............. If you get any email from "microsoft" with an attachment DO NOT OPEN IT! I got a few last evening, and assumed a virus was in it. be aware......perusing the newsgroups seemed to have confirmed this h To Email Elaine or Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org To Email Howard ONLY USE: inhockdeep@peak.org ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C37EBB.8C0C3420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C37EBB.8C0C3420-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 19 18:12:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!studios From: "Timothy Atwood" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:15:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@holtenwood.bc.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@nbnet.nb.ca>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk You may want to send your request to glass-request@bungi.com . You will get faster response than through the list itself. Unsubscribing probably will not help though. Those virus emails are not really coming from the list. Most of the worms and viruses spreading right now "spoof" the return address. What you see as the "from" address is not the real source. The "From" address has been culled from an infected computer just as much as your "To" address has been. The four most prevalent viruses right now all use spoofed "From" email addresses. They are: Sobig.F Swen Dumaru.a Yaha.y It is a sort of sideways compliment to the bungi list that it is getting picked up as much as it is. There must be one heck of a lot of current or past subscribers with the bungi address on their computer. A previous email mentioned the fake notices from Microsoft for a security upgrade. Microsoft never sends upgrades in emails. You must download them from Microsoft directly. The attachments to these notices are viruses. Do not open. These fake Microsoft Security Upgrade emails are most likely a new variant of the "Swen" virus which appeared Wednesday. Some estimates have it as having infected over 500,000 computers by late Thursday. Other variants of Swen (I-Worm.Swen, Gibe.e, HLLM.Gibe.2) may disguise themselves as returned "undeliverable" emails. If you opened the attachments of any such emails, your computer has probably been infected . In some cases if you have not installed the appropriate MS security patches, the worm will even install itself without your opening the attachment.You may read the NAI (McAfee) description of this worm at: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood Holtenwood Studios http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios/ Timothy Atwood Holtenwood Computing http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Craft To: glass@bungi.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: unsubscribe I am getting too many viruses from the list. Please unsubscribe me at once. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 19 18:12:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:14:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Adriana & Timothy Atwood" To: "Reg Craft" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:09:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@holtenwood.bc.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@nbnet.nb.ca>> Precedence: bulk You may want to send your request to glass-request@bungi.com . You will get faster response than through the list itself. Unsubscribing probably will not help though. Those virus emails are not really coming from the list. Most of the worms and viruses spreading right now "spoof" the return address. What you see as the "from" address is not the real source. The "From" address has been culled from an infected computer just as much as your "To" address has been. The four most prevalent viruses right now all use spoofed "From" email addresses. They are: Sobig.F Swen Dumaru.a Yaha.y It is a sort of sideways compliment to the bungi list that it is getting picked up as much as it is. There must be one heck of a lot of current or past subscribers with the bungi address on their computer. A previous email mentioned the fake notices from Microsoft for a security upgrade. Microsoft never sends upgrades in emails. You must download them from Microsoft directly. The attachmennts to these notices are viruses. Do not open. These fake Microsoft Security Upgrade emails are most likely a new variant of the "Swen" virus which appeared Wednesday. Some estimates have it as having infected over 500,000 computers by late Thursday. Other variants of Swen (I-Worm.Swen, Gibe.e, HLLM.Gibe.2) may disguise themselves as returned "undeliverable" emails. If you opened the attachemnts of any such emails, your computer has probably been infected . You may read the NAI (McAfee) description of this worm at: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood Holtenwood Studios http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios/ Timothy Atwood Holtenwood Computing http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Reg Craft To: glass@bungi.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: unsubscribe I am getting too many viruses from the list. Please unsubscribe me at once. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 19 18:17:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!studios From: "Timothy Atwood" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:23:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@holtenwood.bc.ca> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Note: When I say "installed the appropriate MS Security Patches" below, I most definitely mean from the Microsoft web site. Probably using "Windows Update". Microsoft never sends security patches in emails and you should never install a patch received in an email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Atwood" To: Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe > You may want to send your request to glass-request@bungi.com . You will get > faster response than through the list itself. > > Unsubscribing probably will not help though. Those virus emails are not > really coming from the list. Most of the worms and viruses spreading right > now "spoof" the return address. What you see as the "from" address is not > the real source. The "From" address has been culled from an infected > computer just as much as your "To" address has been. > > The four most prevalent viruses right now all use spoofed "From" email > addresses. They are: > Sobig.F > Swen > Dumaru.a > Yaha.y > > It is a sort of sideways compliment to the bungi list that it is getting > picked up as much as it is. There must be one heck of a lot of current or > past subscribers with the bungi address on their computer. > > A previous email mentioned the fake notices from Microsoft for a security > upgrade. Microsoft never sends upgrades in emails. You must download them > from Microsoft directly. The attachments to these notices are viruses. Do > not open. > > These fake Microsoft Security Upgrade emails are most likely a new variant > of the "Swen" virus which appeared Wednesday. Some estimates have it as > having infected over 500,000 computers by late Thursday. Other variants of > Swen (I-Worm.Swen, Gibe.e, HLLM.Gibe.2) may disguise themselves as returned > "undeliverable" emails. If you opened the attachments of any such emails, > your computer has probably been infected . In some cases if you have not > installed the appropriate MS security patches, the worm will even install > itself without your opening the attachment.You may read the NAI (McAfee) > description of this worm at: > > http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100662.htm > > Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood > Holtenwood Studios > http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios/ > Timothy Atwood > Holtenwood Computing > http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/computing/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Reg Craft > To: glass@bungi.com > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:07 PM > Subject: unsubscribe > > > I am getting too many viruses from the list. Please unsubscribe me at once. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 20 03:10:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:43:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f4.30f9a0d3.2c9d79de_boundary" Subject: Re: Cabinet Doors Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:37:34 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_f4.30f9a0d3.2c9d79de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Elizabeth and Joyce, I just want to thank you two for your input. I'm glad I discovered this list. The people here are always glad to help. Your friend in glass, Ken O Decorative Glass --part1_f4.30f9a0d3.2c9d79de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Elizabeth and Joyce,

I just want to thank you two for your input. I'm glad I discovered this list= .  The people here are always glad to help.

Your friend in glass,
Ken O
Decorative Glass --part1_f4.30f9a0d3.2c9d79de_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 20 10:11:58 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: juno.com!henry_electronics From: henry_electronics@juno.com To: henry_electronics@juno.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Business Proposal Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:03:40 GMT Message-ID: <20030920.080406.4590.430293@webmail01.lax.untd.com> Precedence: bulk ATTN SIR, We are valuable procurement concern that specialise in the purchase and shipping of [ELECTRONICS] to our numerous customers worldwide. We are interested in purchasing your goods for a negotiable price. We will arrange a pick up of the good once payment and negotiation is confirmed by the seller. Please acknowledge the offer and we will have the funds remitted to your account as soon as possible. export director [Henry Martins] Thanks, Henry Martins ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 20 21:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.ca!ELMIRA_BAYARDO From: "moguls" To: "glass@bungi.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: Hi Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk PGh0bWw+DQpIZWxsbyw8YnI+DQpJIHJlbWVtYmVyIHlvdSBvbmNlIGFza2VkIGZvciBhIHdlYjxs ZmRzc2hhND5zaXRlIHdoZXJlIEIuQS48Z3NhZHM2az5OLksuUw0KY29tcDxhc2Zha2d1PmV0ZSBm b3IgeW91ciBidXM8dWo4ZmQxYXNqPmluZXNzLjxicj4NCllvdSBzaG91bGQgPDdhaDE4N2Y+c2F2 ZSBhIGxvdCBvbiB5b3VyIG1vbnRobHkgbW9ydCBwPG1pbnNreT5heW1lbnQuPGJyPg0KPGEgaHJl Zj0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy5lYm9va2dlZWsuY29tIj4gZ28gaGVyZSA8L2E+PGJyPg0KVGhhbmtzLDxi cj4NCkNocmlzIFdpbHNvbg0KPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KPHBhdWxhPg0KPC9odG1sPg0K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 20 21:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 20:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.ca!ELMIRA_BAYARDO From: "moguls" To: "glass@bungi.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: Hi Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 23:32:37 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk PGh0bWw+DQpIZWxsbyw8YnI+DQpJIHJlbWVtYmVyIHlvdSBvbmNlIGFza2VkIGZvciBhIHdlYjxs ZmRzc2hhND5zaXRlIHdoZXJlIEIuQS48Z3NhZHM2az5OLksuUw0KY29tcDxhc2Zha2d1PmV0ZSBm b3IgeW91ciBidXM8dWo4ZmQxYXNqPmluZXNzLjxicj4NCllvdSBzaG91bGQgPDdhaDE4N2Y+c2F2 ZSBhIGxvdCBvbiB5b3VyIG1vbnRobHkgbW9ydCBwPG1pbnNreT5heW1lbnQuPGJyPg0KPGEgaHJl Zj0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy5lYm9va2dlZWsuY29tIj4gZ28gaGVyZSA8L2E+PGJyPg0KVGhhbmtzLDxi cj4NCkNocmlzIFdpbHNvbg0KPGJyPg0KPGJyPg0KPHBhdWxhPg0KPC9odG1sPg0K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 21 07:14:42 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 06:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: nbnet.nb.ca!rcraft From: "Reg Craft" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0148_01C38029.97A82720" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:17:42 -0300 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@nbnet.nb.ca> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C38029.97A82720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am getting to many messages with viruses frm this site. Please remove = me ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C38029.97A82720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C38029.97A82720-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 22 00:16:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: yahoo.ca!TAMBRA_BLASE From: "charon" To: "glass@bungi.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: Hi Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 1:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk PGh0bWw+DQpIZWxsbyw8YnI+DQpJIDxmZmFzMWRmc2RhPnJlbWVtYmVyIHlvdSBvbmNlPGZmYXMx ZGZzZGE+IGFza2VkIGZvciBhIHdlYjxqMzhvOTRmc2FmPnNpdGUgd2hlcmUgQi5BLjxqODlwamhm NGE+Ti5LLlMNCmNvbXA8MTc0MTMyMXk+ZXRlIGZvciB5b3VyIGJ1czxmZmFzMWRmc2RhPmluZXNz Ljxicj4NCllvdSBzaG91bGQgPDQyNTg3NDlvcGZkPnNhdmUgYSBsb3Qgb24geW91ciBtb250aGx5 IGhvdXNlIHA8Y29uZG8+YXltZW50Ljxicj4NCjxhIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZWJvb2tnZWVr LmNvbSI+IGdvIGhlcmUgPC9hPjxicj4NClRoYW5rcyw8YnI+DQpDaHJpcyA8ZmZhczFkZnNkYT5X aWxzb24NCjxicj4NCjxicj4NCjx0aGVyZXNhPg0KPC9odG1sPg0K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 25 09:16:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: juno.com!blarryh From: "arpschneider@starband.net" To: "glass@bungi.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: Stop receiving email ads today! 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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:47:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@fsmail.net> Precedence: bulk ------=_Part_5423_163341.1064504873665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sir/Madam, I am an Adminstrative Staff of the Ministry Of Petroluem Resources,Lagos and i represent a Group that is interested in engaging your service as Manager For Investment Purpose,of a Large Volume of fund. If this proposal is accpetable to you, Please get back to me so that i can work out Remuneration for your Participation in this transaction and also let you know how i came to select you for this propose.In view however of rampant cases of Fraud which have been assoicated with Ventures like this, and also the fact quite known to me about some people from our counrty doing transactions like this,who ended up being Defaruded by foreigners. I will appreciate if you let me know if in the past you have handled a project like this,and what capacity.OR on the altanative, if you are presently handling any matters like this.This is improtant,as what we are involved in requries maximum devotion,devoid of any kind of distraction,as we shall not entertain any kind of compromise,even while ensuring that our interest and yours are accorded due assurance. I look forward to your Prompt reaponse to this proposal, Sincerly Yours, Dr. Yemi Johnson. ------=_Part_5423_163341.1064504873665 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am an Adminstrative Staff of the Ministry Of Petroluem Resources,Lagos and i represent a Group that is interested in engaging your service as Manager For Investment Purpose,of a Large Volume of fund.

If this proposal is accpetable to you, Please get back to me so that i can work out Remuneration for your Participation in this transaction and also let you know how i came to select you for this propose.In view however of rampant cases of Fraud which have been assoicated with Ventures like this, and also the fact quite known to me about some people from our counrty doing transactions like this,who ended up being Defaruded by foreigners.

I will appreciate if you let me know if in the past you have handled a project like this,and what capacity.OR on the altanative, if you are presently handling any matters like this.This is improtant,as what we are involved in requries maximum devotion,devoid of any kind of distraction,as we shall not entertain any kind of compromise,even while ensuring that our interest and yours are accorded due assurance.

I look forward to your Prompt reaponse to this proposal,

Sincerly Yours,

Dr. Yemi Johnson.

------=_Part_5423_163341.1064504873665-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 25 18:29:45 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: glastar.com!lmitchell From: Lori J. Mitchell To: Glass Listserv for Lori , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re[2]: Dirty Iron Tip Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:18:48 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Glastar Corporation Precedence: bulk Dear Bungi Friends, Speaking of irons, I am looking for an antique iron like the kind that was set in coals or furnaces for heating prior to using. Does anyone know of a good place to obtain one or more of these. P.S. I know about e-bay, I am looking for other sources. Thank you, Lori Mitchell Chief Executive Officer Glastar Corporation www.glastar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 25 23:26:01 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: hot.rr.com!pkelly From: "Patrick Kelly" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re[2]: Dirty Iron Tip Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:14:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hot.rr.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk If it's the type I am thinking of, plumbers and tinsmiths used them. You might find one by calling some of the plumbers that have been around for a long time. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 26 01:27:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #540 built 2003-May-24) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Old fashioned irons [was (2)Dirty Iron Tip] Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:48:38 +0100 Message-ID: <20030926074838.GZCR14572.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@sn010947420129> Precedence: bulk At 17:18 25/09/2003 -0700, Lori wrote: >Dear Bungi Friends, > >Speaking of irons, I am looking for an antique iron like the kind that was set >in coals or furnaces for heating prior to using. Does anyone know of a good >place to obtain one or more of these. > If you were in UK I would suggest going to your local 'car boot' sale. I have seen many of these old irons in those boxes of odds and ends that the would-be vendor can't identify! Do you have similar events in USA? They are usually held in a field or school grounds on a Sunday and anyone can turn up and pay a few pounds to set up a stall and sell anything they dont want. Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass