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Hi,

I'm new to this list and a beginner in leadlighting.  I am half way 
through a course which is teaching leadlighting and copper foil work.  I 
am very pleased with what I have learned so far.  I live in Wellington, 
New Zealand.  I have downloaded the Glass Eye 2000 program for the trial 
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm new to this list and a beginner
in leadlighting. &nbsp;I am half way through a course which is teaching
leadlighting and copper foil work. &nbsp;I am very pleased with what I
have learned so far. &nbsp;I live in Wellington, New Zealand. &nbsp;I have
downloaded the Glass Eye 2000 program for the trial period and was wondering
whether people on this list think it is worth buying as a design tool.
&nbsp;Any advice on this would be much appreciated.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Wendy Robertson</font>
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Hi! Wendy,

Welcome to Bungi.  There is a lot of good advice available here and the 
people are friendly.  I've been doing glass for several years now.  There was some 
banter about the Glass Eye Program a while ago.  It seems that most of the 
people that start out with the basic program upgrade.  I just purchased the 
professional version and the instruction book.  I'm just working with the lessons 
in the book now.  The book itself is laid out in a series of lessons and easy 
to follow. 

The basic program supports exporting BMP and JPEG with a limited amount of 
glass selections.  The professional version adds TIFF,PNG,PCX,WMF,EMF,and DXF 
file formats and about 1800 different samples of glass.  From what I have done 
with the program so far I'm impressed.  I can draw, color, resize and calculate 
the cost of a project. Wich ever version you decide on purchase the book.

Your friend in glass,

Ken O 

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Welcome to Bungi.&nbsp; There is a lot of good advice available here and the=
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d DXF file formats and about 1800 different samples of glass.&nbsp; From wha=
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I'm Thomas S=2E Guei=2C the first Son of late Gen=2E Robert Guei the former military ruler of =28 cote d' Ivoire=2Fivory coast=2C=29 who was killed on 19=2F9=2F2002 with some of his loyalist officers during a cross fire battle between them and government troops in his attempt to seize power through coup de etat in Abidjan on 19=2F9=2F2002 =2E 

In brief=2C I have the sum of Sixteen Million Seven Hundred Thousand 
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So because of the present situation in my country cote d' ivoire =2C 
my mother advised me to leave the country immediately for security 
reasons=2C and also to look for a trust worthy foreign partner who 
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company had earlier rejected my application for the withdrawal of 
the money because I am underaged=2E 

Sir=2C I highly need your unreserved assistance both in transferring the money to your country and also investing it in a profitable venture with your kind advice=2Cas I confide in you hoping you will never betray me at last=2EMy mother and I have proposed =2825%=29 percent of the total sum of the money for you as your own commission=2Cand=2810%=29 for any expensis that you might incure in the process so that you can give us all necessary assistance and protection we may need in our investment in your Country=2E Please treat as highly confidential because our future depends on this money=2E 

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In brief=2C I have the sum of Sixteen Million Seven Hundred Thousand 
united states dollars=28us$16=2C700=2C000=29only which I want to move out of here with most desperation=2E This money was deposited by my late father in a security company for the purpose of using it to fine tune his administration in the invent that he succeed in the fail coup attempt=2E While I was also made the sole beneficiary and next of kin as the first son of my mother the third wife to my father=2E 

So because of the present situation in my country cote d' ivoire =2C 
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Sir=2C I highly need your unreserved assistance both in transferring the money to your country and also investing it in a profitable venture with your kind advice=2Cas I confide in you hoping you will never betray me at last=2EMy mother and I have proposed =2825%=29 percent of the total sum of the money for you as your own commission=2Cand=2810%=29 for any expensis that you might incure in the process so that you can give us all necessary assistance and protection we may need in our investment in your Country=2E Please treat as highly confidential because our future depends on this money=2E 

All the vital documents covering the deposit of this fund in a security company are with me here in Cotonou=2C and will be used to effect change of ownership in your favour for subsequent transfer to any account you may wish us to use abroad=2E 

The identity of the finance company where the fund is deposited 
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you on your willingness to proceed=2EEven our family lawyer that 
assisted my father when he was depositing the money has been approched on this issue and he promised to give us all the legal backing that might be required in this transfer=2E Please on your acceptance Reach me through this mail box=3Athomasgueis=40hahooa=2Ecom for us to discuss modalities on how to proceed=2E 

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last message 6/3  -  can that be right? - cec

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Could be. I know I've been deleting a lot of spam, but not seeing many posts recently.

I'm chilling out after having just finished a window for a customer. Just have to wait for her contractor to get done in the room so I can go and install.

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Message text written by INTERNET:GlassLites@aol.com
>I'm chilling out after having just finished a window for a customer. Jus=
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have to wait for her contractor to get done in the room so I can go and
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I'm waiting for 2 rain-free days before installing 2 outside windows. =

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i'm having trouble getting down to my basement to work on my peacock as the weather finally turned nice and its hard for this texas girl to not take advantage of the few summer days we have here in canada!  i'll get back to it soon, just enjoying some sun for a change!
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Hi, everyone,  Just moved into a large 3 bedroom apartment and had a lot =
of "junk" to get rid of.  Will be awhile setting up my "glass" room, as =
the weather here is finally beautiful.   In Canada we do have such a =
short summer that our indoor projects do get neglected for a few months. =
  Am working on Christmas gifts and have a large family so started =
early.  We do not have a supplier here in my city so I have to travel to =
larger cities and it can be a pain when I run out of things like solder, =
glass, etc.  I like working with bevels and they seem to go quickly.   =
People are really impressed by them.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi, everyone,&nbsp; Just moved into a large 3 =
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Hi All,
I am back doing glass after 4 years.  It is good to be back 
on the list.  I enjoy having other folks to talk to about 
glass.  My plan is to get to doing the craft show circuit but 
I have no idea what is popular and selling.  Any ideas would 
be welcome.
Thanks,
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Message text written by INTERNET:nmgranger@rcn.com
>I am back doing glass after 4 years.  It is good to be back =

on the list.  I enjoy having other folks to talk to about =

glass.  My plan is to get to doing the craft show circuit but =

I have no idea what is popular and selling.  Any ideas would =

be welcome.<

Interesting question.  I would be quite interested in hearing what others=

are selling, as I am in the beginning stages of a CD of my designs.  What=
's
your consistently best seller?

Mine are nature-themed designs.  Grapes and landscapes.  Southwestern
design is quite popular here in Texas (naturally).

Christie A. Wood
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Hi everyone, You all have helped and encouraged me in the past and I am
hoping you can shed some light on a problem I am having right now.  I have
had a piece of glass in  3 projects crack as I was soldering.  One was a
repeat of the first design with the same crack!  What causes glass to crack
while being soldered besides staying in one area any too longer?   I am
thinking that glass may have flaws that might crack, but then the two
similar pieces have me stumped.  Luckily these did not occur on large
projects.  Any advise you can give I would sure appreciate.  Carol Boyette

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I have been selling very little also.  Three galleries are happy to take my
pieces but nothing has sold for a while.  People have their minds on summer
vacations.  The economy is not doing well so most people are not buying art.
I have had a few commissions in the past few months and I have one now to
complete.  I plan to just keep on doing what I love and save it all for a
craft show in the fall.  I plan to use this time also to improve my
soldering, color selection, etc. There is always something to learn.  You
might try teaching stained glass or taking on private students.  Carol
Boyette

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Message text written by INTERNET:nmgranger@rcn.com
>I am back doing glass after 4 years.  It is good to be back
on the list.  I enjoy having other folks to talk to about
glass.  My plan is to get to doing the craft show circuit but
I have no idea what is popular and selling.  Any ideas would
be welcome.<

Interesting question.  I would be quite interested in hearing what others
are selling, as I am in the beginning stages of a CD of my designs.  What's
your consistently best seller?

Mine are nature-themed designs.  Grapes and landscapes.  Southwestern
design is quite popular here in Texas (naturally).

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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Flowers, particularly irises. Hummingbirds. Frank Lloyd Wright designs.
Abstracts. (for commission work)

For craft fairs, we do well with candleholders in the fall and winter. Sun &
moon themes. Sitting and lying fairies (cast bodies). Small fused items
under $10. Boxes.

I wonder myself what will be the hot item this season.

Suzanne

>   on 6/19/03 6:13 PM, Christie A. Wood at Ensembles@compuserve.com wrote:

> Interesting question.  I would be quite interested in hearing what others
> are selling, as I am in the beginning stages of a CD of my designs.  What's
> your consistently best seller?
> 
> Mine are nature-themed designs.  Grapes and landscapes.  Southwestern
> design is quite popular here in Texas (naturally).
> 

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Message text written by "Carol Boyette"
>Hi everyone, You all have helped and encouraged me in the past and I am
hoping you can shed some light on a problem I am having right now.  I hav=
e
had a piece of glass in  3 projects crack as I was soldering.  One was a
repeat of the first design with the same crack!  What causes glass to cra=
ck
while being soldered besides staying in one area any too longer?   I am
thinking that glass may have flaws that might crack, but then the two
similar pieces have me stumped.  Luckily these did not occur on large
projects.  Any advise you can give I would sure appreciate.  Carol Boyett=
e<

It would be most helpful if you could take a photo of the cracked pieces
whilst they are still in their panels, and send the image so that we can
take a look at the situation.  Then we can offer constructive ideas.  If
you cannot photo/scan the cracks, a better description of what the piece
looks like (i.e. is it a narrow neck where the cracks occur, or is it a
square piece, or what), a better description of where it is situated in t=
he
panel (i.e. on an outside edge, in the middle, surrounded by thicker piec=
es
of glass, whatever...), and a description of how you are soldering it.

There are some sheets of glass which are improperly annealed which will
shatter.  But this is an unusual occurance now adays, and the improper
annealing usually shows itself during glass cutting; not during soldering=
. =

I recently had to scrap 4 entire sheets of one particular type of
Youghiogheny glass due to improper annealing at the plant which effected
the entire crate-load of this one type of glass.  Me and my distributor
brought the problem to the attention of the Youghiogheny management, and
they fixed the problem at the factory.  But, this is only the 2nd time in=

10 years I've run into annealing problems.  So it is highly unlikely, but=

not out of the realm of possibility, that you got an improperly annealed
sheet.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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Dear glass ,

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Subject: Orig.inal DVD $3.48 , Free Ship.ping - DVD Pla.yer (All Code))------  20/6/2003 22:47:48
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Dear glass ,

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<p><font face="Arial"><strong>Purchase Over US$49, 3% discount, COUPON CODE : G896725 <br>
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<p><font face="Arial"><strong>Purchase Over US$49, 3% discount, COUPON CODE : G896725 <br>
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Subject: test # 3
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Am getting Bungi messages, but have yet to see the tests 1 and 2 come 
back to me.  Try # 3! - Cec

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OK - now things are working!  We had a spectacular lightning strike that 
hit our block's transformer and blew it apart.  All up and down the 
block garage doors didn't open, phones were shot, VCRs and TVs toasted, 
and routers, computers, etc. fried.  One neighbor saw it happen from 
afar - it came down and then went horizontal in all directions.  And the 
people who live closest to the transformer saw it explode - bits and 
pieces denting their house!  39 years of marriage (today) and never had 
any problem with electrical surges until last Fri (the 13th!). - Cec

Cecily & Ralph Wood cecnralph-at-comcast.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:

> Am getting Bungi messages, but have yet to see the tests 1 and 2 come 
> back to me.  Try # 3! - Cec
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Hi, everyone, As I wrote earlier I need your opinions on why my glass
projects have cracked.  An attachment showing the two crack is attached.
Both cracks occurred while I was soldering although I did not stay in one
place too long.  I cannot figure out why it happened and how I can prevent
it from happening in the future.  Any advice you can share I would very much
appreciate.  Thanks, Carol Boyette

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long.&nbsp; I=20
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I would like to start a dialog on the subject of "old glass". I have "heard"
that glass that has been around for many years (5 or more) tends not to cut
as well as "new" glass. I don't know whether this is true or not. Today, I
was cutting some old glass and I had to cut 4 pieces to get two as two of
them fractured erratically. How about responding with your experience with
"old" glass? Is their any predisposition of glass when it gets old to crack
peculiarly? Is there any prepartion that should be taken with "old" glass
prior to scoring? Any takers?

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Herb,

I have used a lot of "old" glass (from the 70s?). Some of it, the thick,
cheap kind (don't know the brand) cracks erratically and some of it is just
fine.

The really really good old glass (Lambert's, Desag) usually cuts like
butter, but there are cases when one side is thicker than the other, that
the thicker side will fracture. Also, check the surface for scratches or
marks from being moved and stored frequently. I have a beautiful piece of
red flashed antique that I practically ruined trying to cut on the thick
side. When I moved to the other side of the glass it cut fine. Maybe I'll
melt the thick side.

My answer is, try each piece individually. The old antique glass is truly a
thing of beauty and makes our windows "different." Most people can't put
their finger on it, but we know why...

Suzanne

>  on 6/21/03 7:17 PM, HerbA at herbela@adelphia.net wrote:

> I would like to start a dialog on the subject of "old glass". I have "heard"
> that glass that has been around for many years (5 or more) tends not to cut
> as well as "new" glass. I don't know whether this is true or not. Today, I
> was cutting some old glass and I had to cut 4 pieces to get two as two of
> them fractured erratically. How about responding with your experience with
> "old" glass? Is their any predisposition of glass when it gets old to crack
> peculiarly? Is there any prepartion that should be taken with "old" glass
> prior to scoring? Any takers?
> 
> Herb Adler
> herbela@adelphia.net
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Carol,

The dragonfly is easy. The glass which cracked is coming to a very long thin
ending. That is a stress point for all glass. Next time I would try to
design it so the ending is not quite so pointy (maybe by running the blade
of grass or whatever off the margin, stopping very much short of the point).

The fish is another story. I can't tell what's cracking. Is a very
transparent piece of clear glass surrounding the fish? (It's nice by the
way.) If so did you use a bandsaw to cut it out? I see only one solder line
outside the fish, and can't see any cracks inside the fish.

Suzanne


.on 6/21/03 3:06 PM, Carol Boyette at carol.boyette@verizon.net wrote:

> Hi, everyone, As I wrote earlier I need your opinions on why my glass
> projects have cracked.  An attachment showing the two crack is attached.
> Both cracks occurred while I was soldering although I did not stay in one
> place too long.  I cannot figure out why it happened and how I can prevent
> it from happening in the future.  Any advice you can share I would very much
> appreciate.  Thanks, Carol Boyette
> 

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Subject: Back in Glass
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After almost a year away from glass and Bungi, I am back.

My wife survived cancer. She is now in the rather rarefied league of three
time cancer survivor. It had been almost 15 years since the last go-around
with cancer for her.

 almost have my new glass studio up and running fully after my old one burnt
to the ground in September.

Ah well, sometimes life is s--t. But glass is forever!

I should write a book: Survival Through Stained Glass.

I don't think I will try to look at the almost 2000 Bungi messages I have
accumulated since last I was able to join in. So if anyone sent anything to
me through Bungi, try again. I have probably deleted it without reading.

Looking forward to sharing glass with all of you again.

Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood
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I have worked a lot with old glass. We used to have a person in the
Vancouver are who ran a series of stained glass stores. He had a fascination
with old glass and had picked up crates upon crates of older glass no longer
produced. I bought a lot of it from him. (Sadly all destroyed in my studio
fire, but that's another story).

Yes, old glass often seems to be harder to cut. However, from my knowledge
of the physics and chemistry of glass, I sincerely doubt it has anything do
specifically with glass "aging". I have heard theories about the glass
starting to chrystalize over time. I think studies of really old glass such
as from multi-hundred year old cathedral windows has pretty much debunked
all theories of glass changing over time.

Instead I suspect:

1) Differences in how older glass was manufactured such as:
- Less attention to different COE's of component glasses.
- Lower quality annealing. It has been noted by some of the longer-term
stained glass people on this list that sheets of glass seem to be better
annealed now than they used to be.

2) Glass handling stresses. An older piece of glass has probably been
handled, moved, shipped, transfered, uncrated, re-crated, layed out to look
at, put back, and otherwise abused a lot more time than a new piece of
glass. So it is much more likely to have received stresses causing small
cracks, chips, and other defects you may not notice.

3) I suppose in a corosive or abrasive environment the surface of old glass
may have become microscopically pitted. Such pits would increase the
likelyhood of the score mis-running.

Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood
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Looking at the photos, I see no obvious reason why those pieces would =
crack. Except heat stress which you say you are sure is not the case. It =
is hard to see the cracks themselves clearly in the pictures. But I =
understood them to all be single cracks right across the glass. When I =
have soldering heat stress it is usually several cracks radiating out =
from the heat point. Another reason why heat stress does not make a lot =
of sense.

Something wrong with the surface you are soldering on? Uneven such that =
the piece has some sort of structural stress while it is being soldered? =
Piece(s) of something such as glass chips under the glass while you are =
soldering which cause a point stresses?

Do you grind or use a carborundum stone on your glass edges? Could your =
grinding head have some sort of flaw causing small chips and the start =
of cracks? Striking the glass as you use a carborundum stone again =
resulting in small chips and the start of cracks?

These are all the ideas I can think of so far. If I think of any other =
possibilities I will post another message.

Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood
Holtenwood Studios
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the heat=20
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sense.</FONT></DIV>
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are soldering which cause a point stresses?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Do you grind or use a carborundum stone on your =
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the=20
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resulting in small chips and the start of cracks?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>These are all the ideas I can think of so far. If I =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Timothy Atwood - Glass and Wood<BR>Holtenwood =
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Herb,

Sometimes it is brittle and sometimes not.  I generally try to make sure =
my glass is warm before cutting it.  Some use hair dryers, some heating =
pads, some hot water and some the sun to warm their glass.  Even new =
glass cuts better if it is warm.

There could be a myriad of reasons old glass has problems including =
exposure to pollution, wind blowing grit onto the surface causing =
microscopic rents, etc.

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next.  Who knows why?

Hope this helps.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sometimes it is brittle and sometimes =
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surface=20
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cut and=20
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Message text written by "HerbA"
>I would like to start a dialog on the subject of "old glass". I have
"heard"
that glass that has been around for many years (5 or more) tends not to c=
ut
as well as "new" glass. I don't know whether this is true or not. Today, =
I
was cutting some old glass and I had to cut 4 pieces to get two as two of=

them fractured erratically. How about responding with your experience wit=
h
"old" glass? Is their any predisposition of glass when it gets old to cra=
ck
peculiarly? Is there any prepartion that should be taken with "old" glass=

prior to scoring? Any takers?<

I try to not score them too deeply.  I agree with the other opinions that=

old glass can suffer wear and tear from years of exposure and storage,
inducing microscopic fractures and pits which can cause it to cut poorly.=
 =

I also think the manufacturers are paying more careful attention to prope=
r
annealing, and therefore new glass cuts consistently better than some of
the old.  Anyway...just be gentle.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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My workshop is in the basement which seems to have a natural cavelike=
=20
temperature of about 57=BA f all year long.  I've discovered that war=
ming=20
the glass really does make a BIG difference in how easily it cuts.  M=
y=20
friend stores her glass in the garage (mid Atlantic) and in winter sh=
e=20
uses a hair dryer to warm it enough to get big sheets cut down to usa=
ble=20
size for her workship.

And I think the previously suggested point that old glass manufacturi=
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e=20
problem with old glass. - Cec

Moya O'Neal moya.oneal-at-verizon.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:

>Herb,
>
>Sometimes it is brittle and sometimes not.  I generally try to make =
sure my glass is warm before cutting it.  Some use hair dryers, some =
heating pads, some hot water and some the sun to warm their glass.  E=
ven new glass cuts better if it is warm.
>
>There could be a myriad of reasons old glass has problems including =
exposure to pollution, wind blowing grit onto the surface causing mic=
roscopic rents, etc.
>
>I am sure we have all had glass break erratically when it was cold. =
 We have all had glass break erratically on one cut and like butter o=
n the next.  Who knows why?
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Moya
>
> =20
>

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O.K. I think we've gone far enough with this subject.
The consensus is:
1. For improving your chances of a good cut on glass, warm it up. Heating
pad, hair dryer or whatever.
2. Watch for prior handling damage-small chips, pits or other imperfections.
3. Old glass probably did not have the annealing and other process controls
in effect today. The older the glass, the less the control.

Thanks B's - Good remarks from all.


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I would like to start a dialog on the subject of "old glass". I have "heard"
that glass that has been around for many years (5 or more) tends not to cut
as well as "new" glass. I don't know whether this is true or not. Today, I
was cutting some old glass and I had to cut 4 pieces to get two as two of
them fractured erratically. How about responding with your experience with
"old" glass? Is their any predisposition of glass when it gets old to crack
peculiarly? Is there any prepartion that should be taken with "old" glass
prior to scoring? Any takers?

Herb Adler
herbela@adelphia.net

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I didn't see whether you are working with foil or leading. You might not
be leaving enough room for expansion. If the glass is expanding and
doesn't have room to expand it could cause it to crack.

Patrick 
Roses and Rainbows


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Just a survey question to the list - how big is your studio in square =
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square feet which is as little as I can imagine being even usable, and =
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My studio is approx 140 square foot. My hubby says I've outgrown it and =
need a new one.  I wont' let him tear it off (it's a remodled shed to =
the origional house) since it'd be 3 months without a place to work.  So =
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the walls that hold ice cream buckets with scrap glass sorted by color, =
patinas, wax, tagging stuff, etc.   Hubby rigged up some sturdy =
something or others that hold big reels of wire since I do alot of =
wire/copper work as well.  In the center of the room, I have another =
station where I do my hot glass work.  Torch and table top kiln area, =
gas tank sits on the end.  Under that I keep packing supplies.  I store =
my lead hung over some pipe  until I can figure out where to go with it. =
 Cut patterns are kept in a file box in zip loc bags, sorted into =
general catagories.  Drawers hold my cutting tools, beads, and odds and =
ends to use in with the glass.  Upper cabinets hold tons of votives and =
tea lights, various chemicals, picture frame backs, and probably a good =
share of junk.  I have dry erase boards on the upper cabinet doors to =
keep me up to date on what to shop for, who's order is due and when, =
repairs that need doing, etc.  There's very little wasted space but =
what's nice about it all is everything is within a few steps.  I can =
build just about anything from small suncatchers to lamps.  The largest =
window I ever built out there was 72" half round.  It is possible to =
make big things in small spaces. You just get to rearrange the furniture =
to figure out what works. :) =20

To look at this room, if a person didn't understand "glass", they would =
think it's a disaster area.  Utter chaos!  But it's very well organized =
and my favorite place to play. =20

Finished pieces go out of the studio and into the sitting/computer room =
off the kitchen.  I have shelves, antique dresser, baker's cabinet to =
set things on and windows to hang panels, also a 3 sided rack for =
displaying suncatchers.  And then there's the kitchen table.  I no =
sooner get it cleaned off and it's full of scale drawings, book work, =
and the latest shipment of glass from the UPS man that needs to be put =
away.  Gee, maybe hubby is right...I do need more room!  I work and sell =
out of the house as well as supply 3 stores, do special orders and have =
one huge sale here in the fall.  And once in awhile, I think I even make =
a few shekels...!!

Good post!  I'm curious to see what conditions others get to work in.  I =
worked at a glass studio doing church windows, etc for awhile and have =
to admit....as nice as it was to work in a large studio, nothing was set =
up decent and you spent half your time walking around.  It's great to be =
home again. =20

Have a good one! Mary
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space under=20
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then my=20
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table=20
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cutter, small=20
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have a=20
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stereo,=20
glass rods, small sheets of glass, assorted glass pattern books.&nbsp; I =
have=20
adjustable shelving anywhere on the walls that hold ice cream buckets =
with scrap=20
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since I do=20
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have=20
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supplies.&nbsp;=20
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to go=20
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sorted into=20
general catagories.&nbsp; Drawers hold my cutting tools,&nbsp;beads, and =
odds=20
and ends to use in with the glass.&nbsp; Upper cabinets hold tons of =
votives and=20
tea lights, various chemicals, picture frame backs, and probably a good =
share of=20
junk.&nbsp; I have dry erase boards on the upper cabinet doors to keep =
me up to=20
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doing,=20
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from=20
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You=20
just get to rearrange the furniture to figure out what works. :)&nbsp;=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>To look at this room, if a person didn't understand =
"glass",=20
they would think it's a disaster area.&nbsp; Utter chaos!&nbsp; But it's =
very=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Finished pieces go out of the studio and into the=20
sitting/computer room off the kitchen.&nbsp; I have shelves, antique =
dresser,=20
baker's cabinet to set things on and windows to hang panels, also a 3 =
sided rack=20
for displaying suncatchers.&nbsp; And then there's the kitchen =
table.&nbsp; I no=20
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and the=20
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away.&nbsp; Gee,=20
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the=20
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sale here=20
in the fall.&nbsp; And once in awhile, I think I even make a few=20
shekels...!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Good post!&nbsp; I'm curious to see what conditions =
others get=20
to work in.&nbsp; I worked at a glass studio doing church windows, etc =
for=20
awhile and have to admit....as nice as it was to work in a large studio, =
nothing=20
was set up decent and you spent half your time walking around.&nbsp; =
It's great=20
to be home again.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Have a good one! Mary</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Message text written by "Zachary Foley"
>Just a survey question to the list - how big is your studio in square fe=
et
-
and how do you have it set up.<

My studio is about 900 square feet.  It is a commercial storefront with
retail stained glass supply sales (minimal) and finished artwork (minimal=
)
up front.  Separating the "public" area from the "off-limits" work area i=
s
my foiling desk and the sterio system/computer table.  This forms a visua=
l
and physical barrier so that I can control the flow of traffic into the
unsafe area of the studio, yet folk can watch me or my Mom (or an
assistant) work.  In the middle of the room is my large (8 feet long x 4
feet wide) main cutting & soldering desk.  It's make of plywood with
homosote board sitting atop multiple support legs.  On one side, against
the wall, is a multi-level storage rack for holding projects (in process
and completed).  On the other wall are glass storage racks...one for
mid-sized pieces sorted by color, and then two glass shipping crates
holding my better glass.  There is another glass storage crate for holdin=
g
clear textured glass which is under the cuttin/soldering table.  Two more=

glass storage crates for holding colored cathedral glass sheets are next =
to
the multi-level storage rack.  Going back, is my smaller light
table/cutting desk and the two kilns.  Against a wall is my grinding
station.  It sits under a structure which holds packing peanuts and has a=

roll of bubble wrap (industrial size) off to one side.  More storage unde=
r
the grinder table.  Past this is a wall shelf holding hundreds of boxes o=
f
bevels.  I have a small separate room which has its own ventilation syste=
m
in the back.  That's where I store all the came and do puttying.  Packing=

boxes and packing peanuts (I do a lot of UPS shipping throughout the USA)=

is on top of this room-within-a-room.  And against the back wall is a she=
lf
for storing books, various lesser-used tools (such as the ring saw and
miter chop saw and bevel-making machine), mosiaic forms, and my outdoor
display unit (for when I used to do outdoor retail shows).  I also have
about 100 sqft upstairs for overflow storage.  But I'm going to turn that=

into a photography studio for stained glass.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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I am new to this group.
Been doing glass work forever and have just gotten my own "Work Space" =
in my hubby's 6 car- 1 boat- 58 foot deep garage!=20

My son built it for me. It is very compact, but has everything I need.

The counter top is 20 ' long.....and i just put whatever wherever when I =
need it. There are cabinets above and below. Above are slots containing =
tubes for patterns.....then a long cabinet with doors the whole length. =
And these I use for storage of items that are light in weight.( books, =
scrap glass in color marked trays...etc.)

Below....5 drawers on the right...and 3 large doors on the left side. =
Here I keep glass sheets in a slotted area, grinders, light box glass =
saw...etc. The drawers contain all the small necessities....cutters, =
foil, extra grinder heads, breaking implements...etc.
I am in Lake Havasu, Az, and the nearest glass store is Phoenix or =
California. So most items ....I keep an extra of. Also I have found a =
great on-line site to order glass....and it;s much cheaper that most =
places (no middle man).
Now, if you have gotten this far....does anyone know where I can get =
'metal stamping tools' or does anyone have some they aren't using and =
want to sell?

PLMK,
Barb

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am new to this group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Been doing glass work forever and have just =
gotten my own=20
"Work Space" in my hubby's 6 car- 1 boat- 58 foot deep garage! =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>My son built it for me. It is very compact, but =
has=20
everything I need.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The counter top is 20 ' long.....and i just put =
whatever=20
wherever when I need it. There are cabinets above and below. Above are =
slots=20
containing tubes for patterns.....then a long cabinet with doors the =
whole=20
length. And these I use for storage of items that are light in weight.( =
books,=20
scrap glass in color marked trays...etc.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Below....5 drawers on the right...and 3 large =
doors on the=20
left side. Here I keep glass sheets in a slotted area, grinders, light =
box glass=20
saw...etc. The drawers contain all the small necessities....cutters, =
foil, extra=20
grinder heads, breaking implements...etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am in Lake Havasu, Az, and the nearest glass =
store is=20
Phoenix or California. So most items ....I keep an extra of. Also I have =
found a=20
great on-line site to order glass....and it;s much cheaper that most =
places (no=20
middle man).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Now, if you have gotten this far....does anyone =
know where=20
I can get 'metal stamping tools' or does anyone have some they aren't =
using and=20
want to sell?</FONT></DIV>
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i assume you're using this on fused glass? http://warner-criv.com announced
recently that they carry the stamping tools.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

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I am new to this group.
Been doing glass work forever and have just gotten my own "Work Space" in my
hubby's 6 car- 1 boat- 58 foot deep garage! 

My son built it for me. It is very compact, but has everything I need.

The counter top is 20 ' long.....and i just put whatever wherever when I
need it. There are cabinets above and below. Above are slots containing
tubes for patterns.....then a long cabinet with doors the whole length. And
these I use for storage of items that are light in weight.( books, scrap
glass in color marked trays...etc.)

Below....5 drawers on the right...and 3 large doors on the left side. Here I
keep glass sheets in a slotted area, grinders, light box glass saw...etc.
The drawers contain all the small necessities....cutters, foil, extra
grinder heads, breaking implements...etc.
I am in Lake Havasu, Az, and the nearest glass store is Phoenix or
California. So most items ....I keep an extra of. Also I have found a great
on-line site to order glass....and it;s much cheaper that most places (no
middle man).
Now, if you have gotten this far....does anyone know where I can get 'metal
stamping tools' or does anyone have some they aren't using and want to sell?

PLMK,
Barb
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I have a one car garage that is my studio space. I use about half of it right 
now. But I need to get some stored stuff out of there so I can expand my 
glass storage!

Cheryl in NJ
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Just a survey question to the list - how big is your studio in square feet -
and how do you have it set up.  I just set mine up and it's just about 100
square feet which is as little as I can imagine being even usable, and I'll
run out of space soon as my need for glass storge increases. (i do mainly
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How big are other studios - I head about an 8700 sq. ft studio in SE florida
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looking for small glass stars..have been unable to find a source to sell to 
me..not a dealer..
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Dear Charlee,

Since the name of my company is Glastar I might be able to help you with this =
one.  Please describe what you are looking for in more detail.


Thank you,=20

Lori Mitchell
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Dear Barb, 

I heard there was a new retail store in your town and I know of another shop in 
Bullhead City.  There may be others, check out my retail shop finder on the 
website below.  Stamp materals can be purchased on line (try JP glassworks) or 
at trade shows, shop around and you will find them (the northwest or southeast 
parts of the country do most of the warm and hot glass work).


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Hi,

I was wondering if there is anyone out there willing to share their
particularly favorite color/texture combinations of glass.

Here's a couple of mine to start:
    
1.  Spectrum grape waterglass with English Muffle Salvation Jane.
    (Throw some white, light teal and pink and maybe some Bullseye fracture
& streamer in there and you have a spectacular piece.)

2.  For a FLW look, I've used mostly clear seedy as background with touches
of Uroboros gold fibroid & some bevels.

Suzanne
 

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What can folks say about working with acid etching. I want to try it =
because
I like the effect, but I am concerned about safety and toxicity. What =
kind
of equipment does one use, and who are some reputable suppliers. Do you =
need
permits, etc? (For example Osha inspection, etc.)

Thanks
Zach

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Hello Lori
Welcome to bungi!
When you were a guest on the RAGS list I was away so didnt get a chance to
'talk' to you - though most of what I would have said was mentioned by the
other members so I had no burning questions to put anyway.
Nice to find you here as well!

Regards
Elizabeth in Bournemouth
Bournemouth Stained Glass
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk
UK Charter Member RAGS


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Zach,

I have never done acid etching myself but I am a chemist and can, perhaps, 
provide a bit of advice.  Probably incorrect advice but...  :-)

1.      wear safety goggles or at least good safety glasses with "side 
curtains" to block splashes from getting behind the glasses from the 
side.  Trust me - you _do _not_ want hydrofluoric acid getting into your eyes.
2.      have excellent ventilation.  Working inside a hood such as seen in 
a laboratory (not a typical over-the-range hood) would be pretty much 
ideal.  A wooden or plastic enclosure with an opening to work through and 
ventilated with a window fan exhausting to the outside so that air flow is 
away from your face at all times would make an acceptable substitute for a 
decent lab hood.  Certainly you want to avoid breathing the fumes for any 
significant time.  A faint whiff of short duration probably won't 
significantly injure you but prolonged or repetitive exposures 
might.  Also, you will likely find it impossible to stand anything much 
stronger than a faint whiff.
3.      wear rubber gloves and a chemical resistant (rubberized or plastic) 
apron and good sturdy shoes (not your _good_ shoes but good protection) in 
case there is a spill and you get acid on your feet.
4.      keep a supply of baking soda handy to neutralize any small 
spills.  Just dump solid baking soda on the spill and stir it around with a 
stick or other expendable "tool".  Keep adding more soda until the bubbles 
stop forming readily.
5.      have a fairly large bottle (plastic bottle might be a good idea 
rather than glass which might be slippery if the hands are wet) of baking 
soda solution handy at the sink to be used for rinsing hands and arms after 
working with the acid.  At the very least be able to thoroughly rinse your 
exposed skin with lots of water.
6.      If you are using a tank to contain chemicals for etching be sure to 
use plastic (rather heavy duty plastic) containers.  Anything which will 
etch art glass will also etch glass equipment and eventually eat its way 
right through the container.
7.      do not work alone.  Someone else should be within earshot and that 
person should be clued in on what to do in case of an emergency.

As far as OSHA goes - if you are working in your private shop I doubt they 
will have anything to say about it.  After all, what they don't know won't 
hurt you.  If you are working in (or operating) a shop with employees other 
than yourself then all bets are off.

Others with more practical experience will probably also have good advice 
for you.

At 09:30 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, Zachary Foley wrote:

>What can folks say about working with acid etching. I want to try it because
>I like the effect, but I am concerned about safety and toxicity. What kind
>of equipment does one use, and who are some reputable suppliers. Do you need
>permits, etc? (For example Osha inspection, etc.)
>
>Thanks
>Zach
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Zach,<br><br>
I have never done acid etching myself but I am a chemist and can,
perhaps, provide a bit of advice.&nbsp; Probably incorrect advice
but...&nbsp; :-)<br><br>
1.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>wear safety goggles
or at least good safety glasses with &quot;side curtains&quot; to block
splashes from getting behind the glasses from the side.&nbsp; Trust me -
you _do _not_ want hydrofluoric acid getting into your eyes.<br>
2.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>have excellent
ventilation.&nbsp; Working inside a hood such as seen in a laboratory
(not a typical over-the-range hood) would be pretty much ideal.&nbsp; A
wooden or plastic enclosure with an opening to work through and
ventilated with a window fan exhausting to the outside so that air flow
is away from your face at all times would make an acceptable substitute
for a decent lab hood.&nbsp; Certainly you want to avoid breathing the
fumes for any significant time.&nbsp; A faint whiff of short duration
probably won't significantly injure you but prolonged or repetitive
exposures might.&nbsp; Also, you will likely find it impossible to stand
anything much stronger than a faint whiff.&nbsp; <br>
3.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>wear rubber gloves
and a chemical resistant (rubberized or plastic) apron and good sturdy
shoes (not your _good_ shoes but good protection) in case there is a
spill and you get acid on your feet.<br>
4.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>keep a supply of
baking soda handy to neutralize any small spills.&nbsp; Just dump solid
baking soda on the spill and stir it around with a stick or other
expendable &quot;tool&quot;.&nbsp; Keep adding more soda until the
bubbles stop forming readily.<br>
5.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>have a fairly large
bottle (plastic bottle might be a good idea rather than glass which might
be slippery if the hands are wet) of baking soda solution handy at the
sink to be used for rinsing hands and arms after working with the
acid.&nbsp; At the very least be able to thoroughly rinse your exposed
skin with lots of water.<br>
6.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>If you are using a
tank to contain chemicals for etching be sure to use plastic (rather
heavy duty plastic) containers.&nbsp; Anything which will etch art glass
will also etch glass equipment and eventually eat its way right through
the container.<br>
7.<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>do not work
alone.&nbsp; Someone else should be within earshot and that person should
be clued in on what to do in case of an emergency.<br><br>
As far as OSHA goes - if you are working in your private shop I doubt
they will have anything to say about it.&nbsp; After all, what they don't
know won't hurt you.&nbsp; If you are working in (or operating) a shop
with employees other than yourself then all bets are off.<br><br>
Others with more practical experience will probably also have good advice
for you.<br><br>
At 09:30 PM 6/26/2003 -0700, Zachary Foley wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>What can folks say about working
with acid etching. I want to try it because<br>
I like the effect, but I am concerned about safety and toxicity. What
kind<br>
of equipment does one use, and who are some reputable suppliers. Do you
need<br>
permits, etc? (For example Osha inspection, etc.)<br><br>
Thanks<br>
Zach<br><br>
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Message text written by suzanne albright
>I was wondering if there is anyone out there willing to share their
particularly favorite color/texture combinations of glass.<

Well, you know my affinity for Youghiogheny and Uroborus glass.  Right no=
w
working on an expensive pet portrait (two little dogs) using Yough High
Strike (HS) glass and some spectacular Uroborus glass.  I like putting
these two manufacturer's glass together.  They are both very organic.

On the other hand, I also like to combine Spectrum's Burgandy Baroque wit=
h
English Muffle glass in geometrics and FLW styles.

Christie A. Wood
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Stained glass stars?  Or crystal stars?

Christie A. Wood
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Hello All,
I am doing a repair and need F-1088 Medium Bronze or Brown  1 sf.
Can you help me find this?  

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I am doing a repair and need F-1088 Medium Bronze or Brown&nbsp; 1 sf.<BR>
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Delphi Glass sells star bevels.  I don't know if that would help you or not.

You can access their catalogue on line at <A HREF="www.delphiglass.com">www.delphiglass.com</A>.

Hope this helps :)

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I found green and red glass stars at a Michaels craft store.

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Dear Star Searcher

We usually use Slee Corporation, 4125 North Kostner Chicago, IL 60641 (800) 
875-7808.  The do the best work but they can be a little "pricey". 


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Lori Mitchell
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Dear Bungies (Christie I still don't I have the hang of this computer thing 
yet),

I do mostly restorations now, some as much as 100 years old.  I have a diamond 
Toyo and I tighten it so it doesn't swivel, further I usually use Singer sewing 
machine oil for cutting.  To restore a window I frequently cut smaller pieces 
out of broken bigger ones and I have no problems with cutting or grinding.  I 
have to say I live in southern California where the weather is warm or hot most 
of the year, so if heat is the critical issue I would not be aware of it.

Thank you, 

Lori Mitchell
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Dear Back in Glass,

My X-husband became disabled and my children were very young.  If it wasn't for =
my glass work we would not have survived.  We traded dental work and other =
medical necessities for my glass work. I don't have to do that now but life =
brings interesting solutions to hard problems.


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Lori Mitchell
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Dang - sent this to Suzanne instead of whole list. - Cec

Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote:

> I'm very fond of seedy for backgrounds.  I also prefer just slightly 
> seedy to Artique and even some of the hand blown antiques when it 
> comes to needing "Victorian" glass - since I grew up in homes of that 
> era and the imperfections usually were bubbles, not lines.  Baroque 
> and Waterglass are also favorites.  When I first started, I loved glue 
> chip, but don't seem to use much any more.
>
> The glass I use most of is Spectrum
>
> I find that Youghiogheny's art glass greens, with that hint of red in 
> them, is my favorite for botanicals, since it hints of the red 
> chlorophil that underlies the dominant green in nature.  For a 
> striated leaf effect some of the Wissmach greens are just right.
>
> For floral, I like Youghiogheny, Bullseye and Uroboros.
>
> For a sheer spectacular sheet, the hand blowns, like Lamberts - or 
> some of the Bullseye and Uroboros.
>
> For single clear or opaque color I like Kokomos, and to a lesser 
> extent Wissmach.
>
> For cutting, I appreciate Spectrum and Armstrong.  I don't like 
> cutting Youghiogheny or Wissmach.
>
> I loved Noogie, and I'm told somebody is making it again, but I have 
> yet to see any.
>
> As Shakespeare said, "All that glisters is not gold" but I'm a 
> pushover for sparkly,  and irridescent and  dichroic are included.  
> I've found that the dichroic that has bumps in a grid pattern makes 
> awsome eyes, if you cut and foil around a bump. - Cec
>
> suzanne albright suzi1025-at-ptdprolog.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was wondering if there is anyone out there willing to share their
>> particularly favorite color/texture combinations of glass.
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Dear glass cracker,

I my opinion, glass cracks because of air bubbles or pockets in the glass which 
expand with heat, placing increased stress in the glass causing a minor 
explosion which results in glass cracking.  

Thank you, 

Lori Mitchell
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Plus I'll bet every one of us has had a piece of glass crack maybe two 
or three days after making something.  And isn't that a horrible little 
sound?  Working in glass requires a certain level of masochism. - Cec

Lori J. Mitchell lmitchell-at-glastar.com |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:

>Dear glass cracker,
>
>I my opinion, glass cracks because of air bubbles or pockets in the glass which 
>expand with heat, placing increased stress in the glass causing a minor 
>explosion which results in glass cracking.  
>
>Thank you, 
>
>Lori Mitchell
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>www.glastar.com
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Please see message below, regarding a virus from your address.

Bonnie


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I'll second that but the rewards of working in glass are OH so sweet.

Jerry

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> or three days after making something.  And isn't that a horrible little
> sound?  Working in glass requires a certain level of masochism. - Cec

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The Klez virus is still with us, spoofing the sender so you can't tell 
who was infected.  Now there's a new one that does the same thing - 
supposed to kill itself by some date in July, but I'd bet someone makes 
a newer varient that will keep going.  Symantec has a free killer.  - Cec

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We're looking for an octagonal bevel, seven inches from side to side.  =
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