From owner-glass Sat Mar 1 09:15:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:07:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: peak.org!inhockdeep From: "InHockDeep" To: "bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2DFD1.D9D57880" Subject: ok to post FA link here Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:06:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@peak.org> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2DFD1.D9D57880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not sure of the protocols for posting an auction link at bungi. I have been auctioning off using ebay, glass and some related supplies = over the past year or so and usually post to the glass newsgroup. I = usually post a link only once for multiple auctions and sometimes less = than one a month for the links. None of the stuff is any of my lampshades or work, or a finished = product.=20 Still available for lampshade questions........Howard TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.com/~weaver51/lamps ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2DFD1.D9D57880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not sure of the = protocols for=20 posting an auction link at bungi.
I have been auctioning = off using=20 ebay, glass and some related supplies  over the past year or = so and=20 usually post to the glass newsgroup. I usually post a link only = once for=20 multiple auctions and sometimes less than one a month for the=20 links.
 
None of the stuff is = any of my=20 lampshades or work, or a finished product.
 
Still available for = lampshade=20 questions........Howard
 
TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.co= m/~weaver51/lamps
------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C2DFD1.D9D57880-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 07:50:57 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!shaire64 From: Peter Shaire To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1474025770-1046619065=:34714" Subject: sales of alligator skin Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:31:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk --0-1474025770-1046619065=:34714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii SALES ! SALES !! SALES OF ALLIGATOR SKIN we are glad to write to you ,we hope to do business with you. for over 6years our organization has grown bigger.we have being hunting alligators in the biggest swamps in africa and europe. we sell to designers and companies.now we have our own pond in africa we sell the samples of our alligator skin for $1,000dollars and packaging fee of $500dollars,do send us a mail if intrested in buying and we would send you our prize list thanks , prince peter --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-1474025770-1046619065=:34714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

SALES ! SALES !! SALES OF ALLIGATOR SKIN

we are glad to write to you ,we hope to do business with you.

for over 6years our organization has grown bigger.we have being hunting

alligators in the biggest swamps in africa and europe.

we sell to designers and companies.now we have our own pond in africa

we sell the samples of our alligator skin for $1,000dollars and packaging fee of

$500dollars,do send us a mail if intrested in buying and we would send you our

prize list

 

thanks ,

prince peter


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Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-1474025770-1046619065=:34714-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 11:01:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:27:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: netzero.net!strainsa From: "strainsa" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E0B6.EFAC2060" Subject: flux spattering Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:26:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E0B6.EFAC2060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I solder a foiled panel on the back side (after first doing the front = side) the flux spatters and deforms the solder. What is the best way to = reduce or stop this? I have tried wiping the back side after applying = the flux. I have tried to turn it over hoping the flux would drain out = of the space between the pieces. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E0B6.EFAC2060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I solder a foiled panel on the back = side (after=20 first doing the front side) the flux spatters and deforms the = solder.  What=20 is the best way to reduce or stop this?  I have tried wiping the = back side=20 after applying the flux.  I have tried to turn it over hoping the = flux=20 would drain out of the space between the = pieces.
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2E0B6.EFAC2060-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 2 12:34:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Mar 2003 12:12:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!jerryc34 From: Jerry To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flux spattering Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:08:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net>> Precedence: bulk You're using WAY too much fluf is it's spitting and deforming the solder. Try using less flux. Not sure if this helps but when you flux your piece, think of polishing furniture. You don't flood the woof or rag with polish, you use just enough to get the job done. Same thing here, you don't need a lot of solder to get the job done. Hope this helps. Jerry -- http://homepage.mac.com/jerry02149 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 08:59:36 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:52:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi:flux spattering Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:47:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "strainsa" >As I solder a foiled panel on the back side (after first doing the front= side) the flux spatters and deforms the solder. What is the best way to reduce or stop this? I have tried wiping the back side after applying th= e flux. I have tried to turn it over hoping the flux would drain out of th= e space between the pieces.< Flux drain out? Sounds like you are using WAY too much flux. Only enoug= h to barely dampen the copper foil. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 09:09:35 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:01:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Hi From: To: Hi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: *GIVE AWAYS PDA's, LAPTOPS & DESKTOPS Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:09:31 -0900 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk We're running a promotion to help raise money to open our software store. Each person that buys a software program from us (maximum $35) during this time period will receive the FREE item of your choice (PDA, Laptop, or Desktop)! For Details Go To:: http://helpu.to/mypda OR http://pda.file.to/ 0860cxxc2-470dBHT1613AskH2-529mLAs8458UQLD5-630DASS7280dISn6-631FjQT6205l68 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 20:13:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: imel.org!m_shadol From: shadol michael To: m_shadol@imel.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Investment Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:46:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20030304034612.9FFDD3EB2@sitemail.everyone.net> Precedence: bulk It is my pleasure to write you this mail.I am writing you from Accra-Ghana in west Africa.I got your contact from journalist while searching for a foreign partner and contact.I am 23 years old and a Sierra Leonian national.I am looking for an overseas business partner/investor to assist me move and invest US$22million,been money which I inherited from my late father.My late father was killed by rebel fighters in Sierra Leone who are fighting for control of diamond mines.My late father was a diamond miner/marchant and a senior chief. 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The problems are as follows: I am underaged just twenty three years old ,have never been to overseas before and have no business or private contact overseas,have not get the required business/banking experience and other logistic reasons to handle the big fund alone. This are the reasons why I need a TRUSTWORTHY and RELIABLE PERSON who will come to ACCRA-GHANA,West Africa here to help me. If you can render your total support to me by coming here to assisting me to move this fund/myself to your country.I will offer you best of how much you will want me to give you as you will also help me to invest the remaining in any viable and lucrative business in your company/country. My telephone number is+233-20-8142916,or email my address.Looking forward to your reply.God bless you. Yours Sincerely, MICHAEL SHADOL. _____________________________________________________________ Enregistrez-vous pour un email gratuit sur http://www.imel.org _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 3 20:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:54:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: imel.org!m_shadol From: shadol michael To: m_shadol@imel.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Investment Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:40:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20030304034033.3245248E1@sitemail.everyone.net> Precedence: bulk It is my pleasure to write you this mail.I am writing you from Accra-Ghana in west Africa.I got your contact from journalist while searching for a foreign partner and contact.I am 23 years old and a Sierra Leonian national.I am looking for an overseas business partner/investor to assist me move and invest US$22million,been money which I inherited from my late father.My late father was killed by rebel fighters in Sierra Leone who are fighting for control of diamond mines.My late father was a diamond miner/marchant and a senior chief. He was killed together with all members of my family including my brothers, sisters and mother. As a local diamond miner my father was not involved in diamond export but sell his diamond to foreign merchants who make exports. As a result of increasing rebel attacks and war in my country,he moved all his money and other valuables out of my country to Accra- Ghana for safe keeping in a safe keeping conpany. I am the only surviving member of my family and have inherited the money another valuables.I am now the beneficiary of my father wealth and My plan now is to move all the money out of here to overseas and invest it there,because I do not wish to invest the money here in Africa,because of the unstable political and economic situation in Africa. There are problems making it difficult for me to move the money overseas on my own alone. The problems are as follows: I am underaged just twenty three years old ,have never been to overseas before and have no business or private contact overseas,have not get the required business/banking experience and other logistic reasons to handle the big fund alone. This are the reasons why I need a TRUSTWORTHY and RELIABLE PERSON who will come to ACCRA-GHANA,West Africa here to help me. If you can render your total support to me by coming here to assisting me to move this fund/myself to your country.I will offer you best of how much you will want me to give you as you will also help me to invest the remaining in any viable and lucrative business in your company/country. My telephone number is+233-20-8142916,or email my address.Looking forward to your reply.God bless you. Yours Sincerely, MICHAEL SHADOL. _____________________________________________________________ Enregistrez-vous pour un email gratuit sur http://www.imel.org _____________________________________________________________ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get you@yourchoice.com w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 15:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:36:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!WaynLinda From: WaynLinda@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: cleaning the solder tip Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:29:36 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk I recently purchased a block of Sal Ammoniac to clean my tip. I have never done this before and have been doing stained glass for a couple years! I guess that is what you get for not taking "real classes" Needless to say, my tip was real bad. The woman I bought it from showed me how to use it. When I used it for the firs time, I covered it with "black stuff" from my iron. The question I have is: how do you clean the black off the block of Sal Ammoniac to reuse it? Thanks for all the help... I love this group! Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 16:51:03 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:39:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: netzero.net!strainsa From: "strainsa" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E275.1D75B6E0" Subject: picture converter Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:40:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E275.1D75B6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of a software program that will take a digital photo, = say in JPG or BMP format, and convert it to a simple drawing suitable = for making a stained glass pattern? Something that would just make a = black and white drawing with lines for where the color changes in the = original photo would do the trick nicely. I have tried a couple of = programs meant for cross stitch but they just don't do the trick. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E275.1D75B6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know of a software program = that will=20 take a digital photo, say in JPG or BMP format, and convert it to a=20 simple drawing suitable for making a stained glass pattern?  = Something=20 that would just make a black and white drawing with lines for where the = color=20 changes in the original photo would do the trick nicely.  I have = tried a=20 couple of programs meant for cross stitch but they just don't do the=20 trick.
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2E275.1D75B6E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 18:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: msn.com!nancyt53 From: "Nancy Saucier" To: "Bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2E28C.276F7570" Subject: picture converter Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:25:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2E28C.276F7570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know of a program such as you are looking for, but I have taken = photographs, scanned them in grayscale on my photo program, use the = tools to lighten the picture as much as you can while still allowing the = outlines of things to be clear. Then I print the picture, take my = sharpie marker and outline everything with that, then scan again and = lighten so that pretty much the only thing that shows is my outlining. = Then I can add lines as needed to make the drawing do-able in glass. = This worked really well for a floral picture I wanted to do in glass. = Didn't work so well when I wanted to do some Golden Retrievers. = Couldn't make it look very natural. Nancy Does anyone know of a software program that will take a digital photo, = say in JPG or BMP format, and convert it to a simple drawing suitable = for making a stained glass pattern? Something that would just make a = black and white drawing with lines for where the color changes in the = original photo would do the trick nicely. I have tried a couple of = programs meant for cross stitch but they just don't do the trick. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2E28C.276F7570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know of a program such as you = are looking=20 for, but I have taken photographs, scanned them in grayscale on my photo = program, use the tools to lighten the picture as much as you can while = still=20 allowing the outlines of things to be clear.  Then I print the = picture,=20 take my sharpie marker and outline everything with that, then scan again = and=20 lighten so that pretty much the only thing that shows is my = outlining. =20 Then I can add lines as needed to make the drawing do-able in = glass.  This=20 worked really well for a floral picture I wanted to do in glass.  = Didn't=20 work so well when I wanted to do some Golden Retrievers.  Couldn't = make it=20 look very natural.
Nancy
 
 
Does anyone know of a software program = that will=20 take a digital photo, say in JPG or BMP format, and convert it to a=20 simple drawing suitable for making a stained glass pattern?  = Something=20 that would just make a black and white drawing with lines for where the = color=20 changes in the original photo would do the trick nicely.  I have = tried a=20 couple of programs meant for cross stitch but they just don't do the=20 trick.
------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2E28C.276F7570-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 4 21:02:31 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:26:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: cleaning the solder tip Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 23:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk You just keep on using it and wipe the black off the iron onto your sponge. on 3/4/03 7:29 AM, WaynLinda@aol.com at WaynLinda@aol.com wrote: > I recently purchased a block of Sal Ammoniac to clean my tip. I have never > done this before and have been doing stained glass for a couple years! I > guess that is what you get for not taking "real classes" Needless to say, my > tip was real bad. The woman I bought it from showed me how to use it. When I > used it for the firs time, I covered it with "black stuff" from my iron. The > question I have is: how do you clean the black off the block of Sal Ammoniac > to reuse it? > > Thanks for all the help... I love this group! > > Linda > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 04:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 04:11:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: picture converter Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:00:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk At 17:40 04/03/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone know of a software program that will take a digital photo, say in JPG or BMP format, and convert >it to a simple drawing suitable for making a stained glass pattern? Something that would just make a black >and white drawing with lines for where the color changes in the original photo would do the trick nicely. I >have tried a couple of programs meant for cross stitch but they just don't do the trick. What I do is import a photo into Glasseye (import background command) and zoom in very closup and then draw lines along where the colours change to define the areas. Then you can look at the pattern as a whole and decide which bits to remove if any. You can download a months free trial from this url http://www.dfly.com/enter.asp?id=239 Make sure you download the tutorial as well and work through it - especially Chapter 12 (importing and exporting) as the instructions are clear and easy to follow. I found that taking the time to work through the 'lessons' shortened my learning curve appreciably! Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 5 12:09:44 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:16:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: peak.org!inhockdeep From: "InHockDeep" To: "bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_031E_01C2E2F6.BFF48320" Subject: a few scrap glass auctions Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:08:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@peak.org> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031E_01C2E2F6.BFF48320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if this link is not within the faq for bungi, I apologize and will post = no more links http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2618795958 go to see other auctions for the rest of them To Email Elaine or Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org To Email Howard ONLY USE: inhockdeep@peak.org TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.com/~weaver51/lamps ------=_NextPart_000_031E_01C2E2F6.BFF48320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
if this link is not = within the faq=20 for bungi, I apologize and will post no more links
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2618795958
 
go to see other = auctions for the rest=20 of them
 
 
 
 
To Email Elaine or = Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org
To Email = Howard ONLY=20 USE: inhockdeep@peak.org
 
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------=_NextPart_000_031E_01C2E2F6.BFF48320-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 6 16:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:29:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sandblaze.com!slandon From: "Sherry Landon" To: "'strainsa'" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2E415.695AF510" Subject: RE: picture converter Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sandblaze.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@netzero.net>> Organization: Sandblaze Systems Inc Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2E415.695AF510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glass Eye 2000 will allow you to import and create sg designs. What you really have to do is import and outline around the picture to create the pattern. But once you've done that you can stretch, position, number, color code pieces and more. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: strainsa [mailto:strainsa@netzero.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:40 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: picture converter Does anyone know of a software program that will take a digital photo, say in JPG or BMP format, and convert it to a simple drawing suitable for making a stained glass pattern? Something that would just make a black and white drawing with lines for where the color changes in the original photo would do the trick nicely. I have tried a couple of programs meant for cross stitch but they just don't do the trick. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2E415.695AF510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Glass=20 Eye 2000 will allow you to import and create sg designs. What you really = have to=20 do is import and outline around the picture to create the pattern. But = once=20 you've done that you can stretch, position, number, color code pieces = and=20 more.
 
Sherry
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Does anyone know of a software = program that will=20 take a digital photo, say in JPG or BMP format, and convert it to a=20 simple drawing suitable for making a stained glass pattern?  = Something that would just make a black and white drawing with lines = for where=20 the color changes in the original photo would do the trick = nicely.  I=20 have tried a couple of programs meant for cross stitch but they just = don't do=20 the trick.
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C2E415.695AF510-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 08:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: uwyo.edu!BDowning From: "Mary E. Downing" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:54:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@uwyo.edu> Precedence: bulk I have another question regarding solder tips. Late last year I took a = class in which the instructor gave basic instruction on building a = leaded panel. She gave information about all tools necessary to = complete the task. During the course of the class, she mentioned that = she had noticed that newer tips for the Weller 100 iron seemed to build = up the black gunk more easily than older tips. She owns and operates a = store and has spoken with her Weller rep. He has implied that she does = not know what she is doing and she is the only one who has had any = complaints. She has about 30 years experience with this store, so I = think she knows what she is talking about. I also noticed this problem. = When I started in glass about 5 years ago, I purchased an inexpensive = iron at another store and sal amoniac was not even mentioned and I had = never used it. My husband, as a treat, bought me a new Weller iron for = Christmas and the first time I used it, I had to clean off the tip = several times in the course of about an hour. Has anyone else noticed = that Weller tips suddenly seem to have a different character than = previously? My instructor says the tips she received into inventory = about mid-summer are the ones she is having trouble with. Thanks. Beth bdowning@uwyo.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 09:38:24 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:57:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:42:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk i've been using the same tip for over 10 years in my weller. it gunks up too a few times/hour. imho, the gunk is relative to the temperature that you're soldering, and the maker of your solder. some solders contain more contaminants than others. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary E. Downing [mailto:BDowning@uwyo.edu] > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:54 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Another question regarding solder tips > > > I have another question regarding solder tips. Late last > year I took a class in which the instructor gave basic > instruction on building a leaded panel. She gave information > about all tools necessary to complete the task. During the > course of the class, she mentioned that she had noticed that > newer tips for the Weller 100 iron seemed to build up the > black gunk more easily than older tips. She owns and > operates a store and has spoken with her Weller rep. He has > implied that she does not know what she is doing and she is > the only one who has had any complaints. She has about 30 > years experience with this store, so I think she knows what > she is talking about. I also noticed this problem. When I > started in glass about 5 years ago, I purchased an > inexpensive iron at another store and sal amoniac was not > even mentioned and I had never used it. My husband, as a > treat, bought me a new Weller iron for Christmas and the > first time I used it, I had to clean off the tip several > times in the course of about an hour. Has anyone else > noticed that Weller tips suddenly seem to have a different > character than previously? My instructor says the tips she > received into inventory about mid-summer are the ones she is > having trouble with. Thanks. > > Beth > bdowning@uwyo.edu > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 10:39:37 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!ron.amero From: "Ron Amero" To: "Mary E. Downing" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@uwyo.edu>> Precedence: bulk Beth, please clarify. In your statement, you say: "... I had to clean off the tip several times in the course of about an hour." Are you saying there was black (oxidation, etc) crud on the solder covered tip, that you had to clean off? Or were there black spots on the tip that would not take solder and these had to be cleaned. I assume it is the latter since the sponge will clean the former. I have not had that problem and I have bought two specialized Weller tips in the last year or so. However, I always clean (with sal ammoniac) and re-tin the tip before first using it. I would suggest a through cleaning and re-tin. If you are just getting excessive black gunk on the solder, it could be you are using a batch of poor quality solder. I recently returned solder to the store because it had such a high level of impurities that the hot solder would scum over in a minute - it seemed I was constantly wiping the tip clean - annoying and a waste of time and solder. Ron ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 12:14:22 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:43:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_127.2441f8b3.2b9a45a2_boundary" Subject: Re: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:57:38 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_127.2441f8b3.2b9a45a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need to consider not only the solder that you are using but also the type of flux.The heat from the iron any iron draws out the impurities from the flux and the solder and that is the black stuff.I too have used the Weller 100 watt for years with no problems have the same tip that I started with.I too use a sal block and I also use a steel brush to wisk away the crud while soldering I don't like the wet sponge because it cools the iron tip and I don't like to waste time while soldering,but it is also an accepted method of cleaning the tip.And just in case you didn't know you can get various tips for the weller 100 in different sizes and temperatures.They range from a 600 degree tip to 900 degrees. Stan Beveler's Glass Studio Cinti Ohio --part1_127.2441f8b3.2b9a45a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You need to consider not only the solder that you are=20= using but also the type of flux.The heat from the iron any iron draws out th= e impurities from the flux and the solder and that is the black stuff.I too=20= have used the Weller 100 watt for years with no problems have the same tip t= hat I started with.I too use a sal block and I also use a steel brush to wis= k away the crud while soldering I don't like the wet sponge because it cools= the iron tip and I don't like to waste time while soldering,but it is also=20= an accepted method of cleaning the tip.And just in case you didn't know you=20= can get various tips for the weller 100 in different sizes and temperatures.= They range from a 600 degree tip to 900 degrees.
Stan
Beveler's Glass Studio
Cinti Ohio --part1_127.2441f8b3.2b9a45a2_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Mar 7 12:15:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:52:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: uwyo.edu!BDowning From: "Mary E. Downing" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: FW: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:46:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@uwyo.edu> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Mary E. Downing Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:02 AM To: 'ron.amero@sympatico.ca' Subject: RE: Another question regarding solder tips There was stuff on the tip that would not clean off by wiping it on the sponge. I had not had this problem with my cheap iron in five years of use. I was using the same solder that I had used with the old iron. The tips that my instructor has (and that came with my new iron) are ones she has taken delivery of since mid-summer last year. She had never had trouble with them before that. She thinks that there was some kind of subtle change in the manufacture or something like that of the tips. I had mentioned this list during the class and she asked me to inquire here to see if anyone else had experienced the same problem. Beth -----Original Message----- From: Ron Amero [mailto:ron.amero@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:59 AM To: Mary E. Downing; glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Another question regarding solder tips Beth, please clarify. In your statement, you say: "... I had to clean off the tip several times in the course of about an hour." Are you saying there was black (oxidation, etc) crud on the solder covered tip, that you had to clean off? Or were there black spots on the tip that would not take solder and these had to be cleaned. I assume it is the latter since the sponge will clean the former. I have not had that problem and I have bought two specialized Weller tips in the last year or so. However, I always clean (with sal ammoniac) and re-tin the tip before first using it. I would suggest a through cleaning and re-tin. If you are just getting excessive black gunk on the solder, it could be you are using a batch of poor quality solder. I recently returned solder to the store because it had such a high level of impurities that the hot solder would scum over in a minute - it seemed I was constantly wiping the tip clean - annoying and a waste of time and solder. Ron ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 8 14:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: uwyo.edu!BDowning From: "Mary E. Downing" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:54:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@uwyo.edu> Precedence: bulk I have another question regarding solder tips. Late last year I took a = class in which the instructor gave basic instruction on building a = leaded panel. She gave information about all tools necessary to = complete the task. During the course of the class, she mentioned that = she had noticed that newer tips for the Weller 100 iron seemed to build = up the black gunk more easily than older tips. She owns and operates a = store and has spoken with her Weller rep. He has implied that she does = not know what she is doing and she is the only one who has had any = complaints. She has about 30 years experience with this store, so I = think she knows what she is talking about. I also noticed this problem. = When I started in glass about 5 years ago, I purchased an inexpensive = iron at another store and sal amoniac was not even mentioned and I had = never used it. My husband, as a treat, bought me a new Weller iron for = Christmas and the first time I used it, I had to clean off the tip = several times in the course of about an hour. Has anyone else noticed = that Weller tips suddenly seem to have a different character than = previously? My instructor says the tips she received into inventory = about mid-summer are the ones she is having trouble with. Thanks. 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Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 10:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:19:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!atula25 From: "Atula Mathur" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Subject: re:solder tips Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:50:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk

Since we are on the topic of solder tips, i have a query as well, My favourite solder tip that gives me fine smooth lines, has got stuck in the slodering Iron due to rust ( as I had not taken it out after use  and like a fool left it there  for some time ), we live by the seaside hence the problem.Could anyone please suggest how to remove the rust and take the Tip out of the Iron.Thanx......A.Mathur


Cricket http://server1.msn.co.in/msnspecials/worldcup03/ News, Views and Match Reports. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 10:57:48 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:23:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: eastday.com!changquan From: changquan@eastday.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: silica gel,desiccant,oxygen absorber Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:36:53 +0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are Shanghai Changquan Silica gel Ltd.,we supply silica gel and desic= cant,oxygen absorber.Chanquan Silica Gel Ltd.=20 located in Shanghai, the biggest silica gel and desiccant supplier of Sh= anghai, has a silica gel factory and a desiccant=20 factory in Qingdao.We manufacture various kinds of silica gels and desic= cants, such as Silica Gel Type A,Type B, Type=20 C,Blue Silica Gel, Silica Gel FNG,Color-Variable Silica Gel,desiccant,ca= t litter,and so on. =20 Address: 2269#,Canao Road Shanghai China Zip: 201803 Tel: 86-21-59117885 Contact: Danny Dan Email: sales@changquan.com Web site: http://www.changquan.com --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .................................................................... --=_NextPart_2rfkindysadvnqw3nerasdf-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 10 12:54:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:28:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: solder tips Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:12:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk from experience, the only thing left is to toss it. you can't get out a bit that is well rusted in. since you're living near the sea, you should remove both the set screw and tip from your iron after using it each time. regards, charlie in cave creek, az -----Original Message----- From: Atula Mathur [mailto:atula25@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 8:51 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re:solder tips Since we are on the topic of solder tips, i have a query as well, My favourite solder tip that gives me fine smooth lines, has got stuck in the slodering Iron due to rust ( as I had not taken it out after use and like a fool left it there for some time ), we live by the seaside hence the problem.Could anyone please suggest how to remove the rust and take the Tip out of the Iron.Thanx......A.Mathur ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 13:15:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:54:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: Atula Mathur Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: solder tips Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com>> Precedence: bulk WD40 has helped me out lots of times. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com>, Atula Mathur=20 writes > >Since we are on the topic of solder tips, i have a query as well, My >favourite=A0solder tip that gives me fine smooth lines, has got stuck in t= he >slodering Iron due to rust ( as I had not taken it out after use=A0 and li= ke a >fool left it there=A0 for some time ), we live by the seaside hence the >problem.Could anyone please suggest how to remove the rust and take >the Tip out of the Iron.Thanx......A.Mathur > > >Cricket http://server1.msn.co.in/msnspecials/worldcup03/ News, Views >and Match Reports. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: >glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: >glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --=20 Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Mar 13 13:15:38 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:55:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:06:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com>, "Spitzer, Charlie" writes >i've been using the same tip for over 10 years in my weller. it gunks up too >a few times/hour. > >imho, the gunk is relative to the temperature that you're soldering, and the >maker of your solder. some solders contain more contaminants than others. > >regards, >charlie >cave creek, az > It also relates to how dirty the material you are soldering is. If you are doing restoration work, you will notice your iron getting gunked up quickly. Steve >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mary E. Downing [mailto:BDowning@uwyo.edu] >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:54 AM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Another question regarding solder tips >> >> >> I have another question regarding solder tips. Late last >> year I took a class in which the instructor gave basic >> instruction on building a leaded panel. She gave information >> about all tools necessary to complete the task. During the >> course of the class, she mentioned that she had noticed that >> newer tips for the Weller 100 iron seemed to build up the >> black gunk more easily than older tips. She owns and >> operates a store and has spoken with her Weller rep. He has >> implied that she does not know what she is doing and she is >> the only one who has had any complaints. She has about 30 >> years experience with this store, so I think she knows what >> she is talking about. I also noticed this problem. When I >> started in glass about 5 years ago, I purchased an >> inexpensive iron at another store and sal amoniac was not >> even mentioned and I had never used it. My husband, as a >> treat, bought me a new Weller iron for Christmas and the >> first time I used it, I had to clean off the tip several >> times in the course of about an hour. Has anyone else >> noticed that Weller tips suddenly seem to have a different >> character than previously? My instructor says the tips she >> received into inventory about mid-summer are the ones she is >> having trouble with. Thanks. >> >> Beth >> bdowning@uwyo.edu >> >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 15:16:47 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!theglassparrott From: "Cheryl Parrott" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/related; Subject: Re: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:25:58 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Message-ID: <3E73A876.000010.00140@your-ze8cxvr8tt> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@uwyo.edu>> Precedence: bulk --------------Boundary-00=_ABATN0X1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_BBATIA11VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_BBATIA11VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D Beth,=0D =0D First of all, I apologize for responding to this email so late.=0D =0D I have also been experiencing the same problem that you are talking about= =2E=20 The tip blackens and cools within minutes of soldering. =0D =0D I have returned my iron and tips to the wholesaler several times. The wholesaler said he would talk to the manufacture about the problem. This was in January. =0D =0D I use the Weller 100. The solder Canfield 60/40 and Canfield Ultimate. = I have tried several different brands of solder. I use only the sponges f= or stained glass. I have switched to using distilled water for the sponges = per the instructions with the Weller. =0D =0D I first started having the problem last Novemeber shortly after purchasin= g a new iron. I never experienced this problem before. The tip blacke= ns quickly and has to been cleaned with Sal amoniac several times an hour. = It is very very frustrating. I find I have less problem with the Ultimate solder than I do with 60/40. I have switched to Old Masters flux by Novacan. I have started cleaning the tip using the flux as well. I al= so wipe my tip on the moiste sponge after each solder joint.=0D =0D I would love to find out what the problem is. I have tried every type o= f flux, liquid and paste with no real sucess. The Old Master flux seems t= o help a bit though.=0D =0D When Elizabeth came out to Seattle for the E-Tour she brought with her a = tip cleaner. It worked great, but I ran out of it and I don't remember the name of the product or where it can be purchased here in the states. = If any one out there knows, or if Elizabeth is listening, please let me know= =2E =20 It worked better than the Sal amoniac for cleaning a tip.=0D =0D If any one else out there has experience this I would love to know. I agree with Mary that it is the newer tips that is causing this. =0D =0D Thank you=0D =0D Cheryl Parrott=0D The Glass Parrott creations in Glass =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_BBATIA11VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Beth,
 
First of all, I apologize for responding to this email so late.
 
I have also been experiencing the same problem that you are talking = about.  The tip blackens and cools within minute= s of soldering.   
 
 I have returned my iron and tips to the wholesaler several tim= es.   The wholesaler said he would talk to the manufacture abou= t the problem.  This was in January.  
 
I use the Weller 100.  The solder Canfield 60/40 and Canfield U= ltimate.   I have tried several different brands of solder.&nbs= p;  I use only the sponges for stained glass.  I have switched = to using distilled water for the sponges per the instructions with the We= ller.     
 
I first started having the problem last Novemeber shortly after purc= hasing a new iron.     I never experienced this = problem before.     The tip blackens quickly and has = to been cleaned with Sal amoniac several times an hour.   It is= very very frustrating.   I find I have less problem with = the Ultimate solder than I do with 60/40.   I have switched to = Old Masters flux by Novacan.   I have started cleaning the tip = using the flux as well.   I also wipe my tip on the moiste spon= ge after each solder joint.
 
I would love to find out what the problem is.   I have tri= ed every type of flux, liquid and paste with no real sucess.   = The Old Master flux seems to help a bit though.
 
When Elizabeth came out to Seattle for the E-Tour she brought with h= er a tip cleaner.   It worked great, but I ran out of it and I = don't remember the name of the product or where it can be purchased here = in the states.     If any one out there knows, or if = Elizabeth is listening, please let me know.   It worked better = than the Sal amoniac for cleaning a tip.
 
If any one else out there has experience this I would love to know.&= nbsp;  I agree with Mary that it is the newer tips that is causing t= his. 
 
Thank you
 
Cheryl Parrott
The Glass Parrott  creations in Glass
 
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Beth,
 
First of all, I apologize for responding to this email so late.
 
I have also been experiencing the same problem that you are talking = about.  The tip blackens and cools within minute= s of soldering.   
 
 I have returned my iron and tips to the wholesaler several tim= es.   The wholesaler said he would talk to the manufacture abou= t the problem.  This was in January.  
 
I use the Weller 100.  The solder Canfield 60/40 and Canfield U= ltimate.   I have tried several different brands of solder.&nbs= p;  I use only the sponges for stained glass.  I have switched = to using distilled water for the sponges per the instructions with the We= ller.     
 
I first started having the problem last Novemeber shortly after purc= hasing a new iron.     I never experienced this = problem before.     The tip blackens quickly and has = to been cleaned with Sal amoniac several times an hour.   It is= very very frustrating.   I find I have less problem with = the Ultimate solder than I do with 60/40.   I have switched to = Old Masters flux by Novacan.   I have started cleaning the tip = using the flux as well.   I also wipe my tip on the moiste spon= ge after each solder joint.
 
I would love to find out what the problem is.   I have tri= ed every type of flux, liquid and paste with no real sucess.   = The Old Master flux seems to help a bit though.
 
When Elizabeth came out to Seattle for the E-Tour she brought with h= er a tip cleaner.   It worked great, but I ran out of it and I = don't remember the name of the product or where it can be purchased here = in the states.     If any one out there knows, or if = Elizabeth is listening, please let me know.   It worked better = than the Sal amoniac for cleaning a tip.
 
If any one else out there has experience this I would love to know.&= nbsp;  I agree with Mary that it is the newer tips that is causing t= his. 
 
Thank you
 
Cheryl Parrott
The Glass Parrott  creations in Glass
 
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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_8RDTBHK0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_8RDTG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: image/gif; name="IMSTP.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <5CE552B5-0A07-4AD5-9540-D29594AA932A> R0lGODlhFAAPALMIAP9gAM9gAM8vAM9gL/+QL5AvAGAvAP9gL////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh+QQJFAAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEVRDJSaudJuudrxlEKI6B URlCUYyjKpgYAKSgOBSCDEuGDKgrAtC3Q/R+hkPJEDgYCjpKr5A8WK9OaPFZwHoPqm3366VKyeRt E30tVVRscMHDqV/u+AgAIfkEBWQACAAsAAAAABQADwAABBIQyUmrvTjrzbv/YCiOZGmeaAQAIfkE CRQACAAsAgABABAADQAABEoQIUOrpXIOwrsPxiQUheeRAgUA49YNhbCqK1kS9grQhXGAhsDBUJgZ AL2Dcqkk7ogFpvRAokSn0p4PO6UIuUsQggSmFjKXdAgRAQAh+QQFCgAIACwAAAAAFAAPAAAEEhDJ Sau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oBAAh+QQJFAAIACwCAAEAEAANAAAEShAhQ6ulcg7Cuw/GJBSF55ECBQDj 1g2FsKorWRL2CtCFcYCGwMFQmBkAvYNyqSTuiAWm9ECiRKfSng87pQi5SxCCBKYWMpd0CBEBACH5 BAVkAAgALAAAAAAUAA8AAAQSEMlJq7046827/2AojmRpnmgEADs= --------------Boundary-00=_8RDTG6G0000000000000-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Mar 15 20:11:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:51:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Another question regarding solder tips Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<3E73A876.000010.00140@your-ze8cxvr8tt>> Precedence: bulk Cheryl, The tip cleaner you are looking for can be purchased at Warner Crivellaro. I can't remember its name but it's a very small round tin. You can find it in their catalog; if you don't have one, e-mail me and I will look it up for you and give you the code number. Suzanne on 3/15/03 5:25 PM, Cheryl Parrott at theglassparrott@hotmail.com wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Mar 16 09:16:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:53:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Wright wronged Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk The following article talks about the loss and removal of Frank Lloyd Wright's stained glass windows with the loss or sale/remodiling of his buildings. - Cec http://www.sunspot.net/travel/sns-travel-wright-ctc,0,3441324.story?coll=sns%2Dtravel%2Dheadlines -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Mar 17 19:18:13 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:15:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: northlights.co.uk!toby From: "Toby" To: "Cheryl Parrott" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: another question regarding solder tips Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:32:30 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@northlights.co.uk> References: <<3E73B9E4.000003.00140@your-ze8cxvr8tt>> Precedence: bulk Hello Bunginians et al, and especially Cheryl!!! Yep, I'm still here.... lurking..... When I came to USA, I brought with me about 30 -40 tins of the UK made tip cleaner. As Cheryl says, they work a treat. I appeared to have no problems bringing them through the US customs (although they confiscated a few other s.g. tools that I never got back!!). I brought these tip cleaners with me as gifts for my US friends and I think that Cheryl got the last batch I brought with me. They are simply called "tip cleaner", produced in a tiny, dinky little round tin, about 3/4" diameter and manufactured by a British company called Multicore. They are quite expensive for what they are (about 8 dollars a tin) My habit here in UK is to purchase about 6-12 tins, break them open and decant them all into a larger metal tin (with a lid) and rub my iron hot into it. It stinks like mad, but sure as anything gets the tip nice, clean and silvery again. Multicore is a British company that produces multicore solder, irons and soldering aids for the electronic industry. Electronic soldering irons are very small, so therefore they only need a small tip cleaning tin..... they are not geared for the great big "plods" of soldering irons WE need. But their product works a treat. Might they have a web-site accessible to my friends in the USA??? I will try to find out. Cheryl!!! I will send you a few tins in the post. Hopefully they will pass through the US customs in these troubled times. Keep the balloons flying!! Much Love! Elisabeth 'n Toby and aMERICa in the UK www.northlights.co.uk ....SORRY I'm sooooo lax these days....I'm still there though.... so keep on prodding ;-) Cheryl wrote: ............................. > When Elizabeth came out to Seattle for the E-Tour she brought with her a = > tip > cleaner. It worked great, but I ran out of it and I don't remember the > name of the product or where it can be purchased here in the states. = > If > any one out there knows, or if Elizabeth is listening, please let me know= > =2E It worked better than the Sal amoniac for cleaning a tip > If any one else out there has experience this I would love to know. I > agree with Mary that it is the newer tips that is causing this. > Thank you > Cheryl Parrott > The Glass Parrott creations in Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 01:48:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:38:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: mindspring.com!jesulli From: "Joyce Sullivan" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fw: another question regarding solder tips Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:32:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk I've been lurking and not responding, but I can't stay quiet. Here's my "shameful commerce" plug. I have the Multicore Tip Tinner in stock for $7.95 for the .5 ounce tin. It's not on our web site yet. Having trouble getting a good photo of the little tins. If anyone here at Bungi would like one, I'll send them for $2.00 postage. Joyce www.harmonystainedglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby" To: "Cheryl Parrott" ; Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: another question regarding solder tips > Hello Bunginians et al, and especially Cheryl!!! > Yep, I'm still here.... lurking..... > > When I came to USA, I brought with me about 30 -40 tins of the UK made tip > cleaner. As Cheryl says, they work a treat. > I appeared to have no problems bringing them through the US customs > (although they confiscated a few other s.g. tools that I never got back!!). > I brought these tip cleaners with me as gifts for my US friends and I think > that Cheryl got the last batch I brought with me. > They are simply called "tip cleaner", produced in a tiny, dinky little round > tin, about 3/4" diameter and manufactured by a British company called > Multicore. They are quite expensive for what they are (about 8 dollars a > tin) My habit here in UK is to purchase about 6-12 tins, break them open and > decant them all into a larger metal tin (with a lid) and rub my iron hot > into it. It stinks like mad, but sure as anything gets the tip nice, clean > and silvery again. > Multicore is a British company that produces multicore solder, irons and > soldering aids for the electronic industry. Electronic soldering irons are > very small, so therefore they only need a small tip cleaning tin..... they > are not geared for the great big "plods" of soldering irons WE need. But > their product works a treat. Might they have a web-site accessible to my > friends in the USA??? I will try to find out. > > Cheryl!!! > I will send you a few tins in the post. Hopefully they will pass through the > US customs in these troubled times. > Keep the balloons flying!! > Much Love! > Elisabeth 'n Toby and aMERICa in the UK > www.northlights.co.uk > > ....SORRY I'm sooooo lax these days....I'm still there though.... so keep on > prodding ;-) > > Cheryl wrote: > ............................. > > When Elizabeth came out to Seattle for the E-Tour she brought with her a = > > tip > > cleaner. It worked great, but I ran out of it and I don't remember the > > name of the product or where it can be purchased here in the states. = > > If > > any one out there knows, or if Elizabeth is listening, please let me know= > > =2E > It worked better than the Sal amoniac for cleaning a tip > > If any one else out there has experience this I would love to know. I > > agree with Mary that it is the newer tips that is causing this. > Thank > you > > Cheryl Parrott > > The Glass Parrott creations in Glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 07:45:10 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:28:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: price and estimate sheets Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:19:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Am looking for the pricing and estimate sheets that we had on bungi a couple of years ago. I've had a lot of computer problems lately, and can't find then nowhere nohow.If any one has them could they send them to me off list, or tell me where to look in the bungi archive. Thanks in advance Gillian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 09:08:02 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:59:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!stephen5 From: "karen kovacs" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2ED3A.4B420860" Subject: WAR Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:36:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2ED3A.4B420860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings from Canada. At this time we are all holding our breath = waiting for the first shots to be fired. To all of my U. S. friends, = please know that we are with you all the way. I have a son in the = Canadian Navy, serving as a boarding leader, searching boats in the = Persian Gulf for terrorists. This is his second tour of the Gulf. Our = Prime Minister says we will not participate in any war, but I have news = for him, we already are there, in many forms, including ships in the = Gulf, and soldiers in Kuwait, Afghanistan, and many of the Arab nations, = working alongside the U.S. soldiers. Of course, we will participate, = we have no choice. God help our young military personnel. Karen = Kovacs, Canada ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2ED3A.4B420860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings from Canada.   At this time = we are all=20 holding our breath waiting for the first shots to be fired.   = To all=20 of my U. S. friends, please know that we are with you all the=20 way.    I have a son in the Canadian Navy, serving as a = boarding=20 leader, searching boats in the Persian Gulf for = terrorists.  This is=20 his second tour of the Gulf.   Our Prime Minister says we will = not=20 participate in any war, but I have news for him, we already are there, = in many=20 forms, including ships in the Gulf, and soldiers in Kuwait, Afghanistan, = and=20 many of the Arab nations,  working alongside the U.S. = soldiers. =20 Of course, we will participate,  we have no choice.  God help = our=20 young military personnel.   Karen Kovacs,=20 Canada
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C2ED3A.4B420860-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 11:26:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:58:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!jerryc34 From: Jerry To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Eating Utensils and SG Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:50:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> Precedence: bulk Sushi is an oft-served meal in this house and for that reason, I'd tought maybe making a neat stained glass holder for the chopsticks to keep on the counter. Question is, I'll be doing this with lead free solder and wanted to know if it's worth the effort or should I just forget it. I've used lead free and have some from working in a tattoo studio, we never used lead when building needles. For that purpose, it was no big deal working with lead free...however, that's not the general consensus I seem to get from various web sites. I'm not keen on it but since eating utensils will be coming in to contact with this IF I build it, it is the only way to do it. Also, if this is worth doing, are there any mindsets on weather or not to use patina? Is it not advised since it'll come into contact with the chop sticks, does it not matter and does it even take on lead free solder? Thanks Jerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 12:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:58:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Eating Utensils and SG Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:43:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk i wouldn't. lead-free solder still has bad stuff in it, like antimony. you'd have to go with something like silver soldering, and that would take a torch rather than an iron. this is ideal for fused glass, not stained glass, techniques. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry [mailto:jerryc34@attbi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:51 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Eating Utensils and SG > > > Sushi is an oft-served meal in this house and for that > reason, I'd tought > maybe making a neat stained glass holder for the chopsticks > to keep on the > counter. > > Question is, I'll be doing this with lead free solder and > wanted to know if > it's worth the effort or should I just forget it. I've used > lead free and > have some from working in a tattoo studio, we never used lead > when building > needles. For that purpose, it was no big deal working with lead > free...however, that's not the general consensus I seem to > get from various > web sites. > > I'm not keen on it but since eating utensils will be coming > in to contact > with this IF I build it, it is the only way to do it. > > Also, if this is worth doing, are there any mindsets on > weather or not to > use patina? Is it not advised since it'll come into contact > with the chop > sticks, does it not matter and does it even take on lead free solder? > > Thanks > > Jerry > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 15:13:06 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:51:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!kat_stained_glass From: Jim Katovich To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-210781870-1048027299=:91984" Subject: how to price or estimate cost of projects Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:41:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk --0-210781870-1048027299=:91984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone, I found this forum and would like to know if you could give me some guidelines about what to charge people for glass projects. I was happily employed as a market data specialist but with the down turn in the economy and specificly the trading industry, I was one of the casulties in a cost cutting effort. While looking for work, I have been busy with some glass project that I did not have time for around the house. I have been asked if I could do some windows for family and friends and figured that it would be a nice way to suppliment my income while out of work. The problem is, I am not really sure what to price windows or to give a rough estimate on the cost. Are there any guide lines that people use out there? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks Jim --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-210781870-1048027299=:91984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hi everyone,

I found this forum and would like to know if you could give me some guidelines about what to charge people for glass projects. I was happily employed as a market data specialist but with the down turn in the economy and specificly the trading industry, I was one of the casulties in a cost cutting effort. While looking for work, I have been busy with some glass project that I did not have time for around the house. I have been asked if I could do some windows for family and friends and figured that it would be a nice way to suppliment my income while out of work.

The problem is, I am not really sure what to price windows or to give a rough estimate on the cost. Are there any guide lines that people use out there? Any suggestions are welcome.

 

Thanks

Jim


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Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-210781870-1048027299=:91984-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 17:12:34 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:57:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: juntos.com!stevearomeh From: stevearomeh@juntos.com To: jplovelace@arrl.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: PLS ACKNOWLEDGE Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@juntos.com> Precedence: bulk >From the Desk of: Mr.Steve Aromeh, International & Corporate Banking , Afribank Nigeria PLC., Lagos-Nigeria. Dear Sir, STRICTLY A PRIVATE BUSINESS PROPOSAL I am Mr. Steve Aromeh, The Executive Director, International & Corporate Banking of Afribank Nigeria PLC. I am writing this letter to ask for your support and cooperation to carry out this business opportunity in my department. We discovered an abandoned sum of $15,000,000.00 (Fifteen million United States Dollars only)in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his entire family of a wife and two children in November 1997 in a Plane crash. Since we heard of his death, we have been expecting his next-of-kin to come over and put claims for his money as the heir, because we cannot release the fund from his account unless someone applies for claim as the next-of-kin to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. Unfortunately, neither their family member nor distant relative has ever appeared to claim the said fund. Upon this discovery, I and other officials in my department have agreed to make business with you and release the total amount into your account as the heir of the fund since no one came for it or discovered he maintained account with our bank, otherwise the fund will be returned to the banks treasury as unclaimed fund. We have agreed that our ratio of sharing will be as stated thus; 20 % for you as foreign partner, 75 % for us the officials in my department and 5 % for the settlement of all local and foreign expenses incurred by us and you during the course of this business. Upon the successful completion of this transfer, I and one of my colleagues will come to your country and mind our share. It is from our 75 % we intend to import Agricultural Machineries into my country as a way of recycling the fund. To commence this transaction, we require you to immediately indicate your interest by a return e-mail and enclose your private contact telephone number, fax number full name and address and your designated bank coordinates to enable us file letter of claim to the appropriate departments for necessary approvals before the transfer can be made. Note also, this transaction must be kept STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL because of its nature. I look forward to receiving your prompt response. Mr. Steve Aromeh, International & Corporate Banking , Afribank Nigeria PLC., Lagos-Nigeria. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 20:11:23 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: juno.com!pkinnetz From: pkinnetz@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Subject: price and estimate sheets Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com> Precedence: bulk I didn't know that there were any there, since I came on after. Could I make the same request, too? Or tell me where to find in the archive? Peggy K "Am looking for the pricing and estimate sheets that we had on bungi a couple of years ago. I've had a lot of computer problems lately, and can't find then nowhere nohow.If any one has them could they send them to me off list, or tell me where to look in the bungi archive." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Mar 18 22:11:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:32:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EDAA.A197F970" Subject: RE: Eathing Utensils and SG Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:01:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EDAA.A197F970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gerry, Most solders that are "lead Free" contain bismuth and/or antimony. To = be sure, I would contact Monona Rossol at the following address. She is = the guru when it comes to safety in the arts. I sure wouldn't take any = chances. Monona Rossol E-mail Address(es): ACTSNYC@cs.com Title: Safety Specialist ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EDAA.A197F970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gerry,
Most solders that are "lead Free" = contain bismuth=20 and/or antimony.  To be sure, I would contact Monona = Rossol at=20 the following address.  She is the guru when it comes to safety in = the=20 arts.  I sure wouldn't take any chances.
 
        = Monona=20 Rossol
E-mail Address(es):
  ACTSNYC@cs.com
  Title: = Safety=20 Specialist
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C2EDAA.A197F970-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 07:11:27 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Seahorse73 From: Seahorse73@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=-------722f495234da1d4b722f495234da1d4b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Fwd: Subject: price and estimate sheets Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk ---------722f495234da1d4b722f495234da1d4b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline I would be very interested also. Thanks for your help!!! Regards, Paula ---------722f495234da1d4b722f495234da1d4b Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xk04.mx.aol.com (rly-xk04.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-xk05.mail.aol.com (v92.17) with ESMTP id MAILINXK54-4f4b3e77ee1c219; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:12:15 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-xk04.mx.aol.com (v92.16) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXK46-5923e77ee031e2; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:12:02 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:52:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: juno.com!pkinnetz From: pkinnetz@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Subject: price and estimate sheets Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:52:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I didn't know that there were any there, since I came on after. Could I make the same request, too? Or tell me where to find in the archive? Peggy K "Am looking for the pricing and estimate sheets that we had on bungi a couple of years ago. I've had a lot of computer problems lately, and can't find then nowhere nohow.If any one has them could they send them to me off list, or tell me where to look in the bungi archive." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---------722f495234da1d4b722f495234da1d4b-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 07:12:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:42:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: alfredstate.edu!LachiuMP From: "LaChiusa, Melody P" To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Subject: price and estimate sheets Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:33:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@alfredstate.edu> Precedence: bulk http://www.glendalemall.com/pricing.htm This is a web page that has a pricing formula on it. Hope this helps! Melody LaChiusa User Support Allied Health 114 Alfred, NY 14802 =20 607 587-3553 =20 www.alfredstate.edu =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: pkinnetz@juno.com [mailto:pkinnetz@juno.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:53 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Subject: price and estimate sheets I didn't know that there were any there, since I came on after. Could I make the same request, too? Or tell me where to find in the archive? Peggy K "Am looking for the pricing and estimate sheets that we had on bungi a couple of years ago. I've had a lot of computer problems lately, and can't find then nowhere nohow.If any one has them could they send them to me off list, or tell me where to look in the bungi archive." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 08:11:20 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:15:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: thewilliammanncompany.com!kmp From: "Kristin Prizer" To: "Jim Katovich" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EDFE.D0397DE0" Subject: RE: how to price or estimate cost of projects Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:03:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@thewilliammanncompany.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EDFE.D0397DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, the only place I have seen any break down is in the book The Lazy Man's Guide To Stained Glass. I ordered it from Glass Crafters last year. If you receive any other information please let me know as I hope to begin selling some of my work too. Good Luck with the job search, kq -----Original Message----- From: Jim Katovich [mailto:kat_stained_glass@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:42 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: how to price or estimate cost of projects Hi everyone, I found this forum and would like to know if you could give me some guidelines about what to charge people for glass projects. I was happily employed as a market data specialist but with the down turn in the economy and specificly the trading industry, I was one of the casulties in a cost cutting effort. While looking for work, I have been busy with some glass project that I did not have time for around the house. I have been asked if I could do some windows for family and friends and figured that it would be a nice way to suppliment my income while out of work. The problem is, I am not really sure what to price windows or to give a rough estimate on the cost. Are there any guide lines that people use out there? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EDFE.D0397DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, the=20 only place I have seen any break down is in the book The Lazy Man's = Guide To=20 Stained Glass. 
I ordered=20 it from Glass Crafters last year.  If you receive any other = information=20 please let me know as I hope to begin selling some of my work=20 too.
Good Luck=20 with the job search,
kq
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Katovich=20 [mailto:kat_stained_glass@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March = 18, 2003=20 5:42 PM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: how to price = or=20 estimate cost of projects

Hi everyone,

I found this forum and would like to know if you could give me some = guidelines about what to charge people for glass projects. I was = happily=20 employed as a market data specialist but with the down turn in the = economy and=20 specificly the trading industry, I was one of the casulties in a cost = cutting=20 effort. While looking for work, I have been busy with some glass = project that=20 I did not have time for around the house. I have been asked if I could = do some=20 windows for family and friends and figured that it would be a nice way = to=20 suppliment my income while out of work.

The problem is, I am not really sure what to price windows or to = give a=20 rough estimate on the cost. Are there any guide lines that people use = out=20 there? Any suggestions are welcome.

 

Thanks

Jim


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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2EDFE.D0397DE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 08:13:39 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: bungi: how to price or estimate cost of projects Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:25:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Jim Katovich >Hi everyone, I found this forum and would like to know if you could give me some guidelines about what to charge people for glass projects. I was happily employed as a market data specialist but with the down turn in the econom= y and specificly the trading industry, I was one of the casulties in a cost= cutting effort. While looking for work, I have been busy with some glass project that I did not have time for around the house. I have been asked = if I could do some windows for family and friends and figured that it would = be a nice way to suppliment my income while out of work. = The problem is, I am not really sure what to price windows or to give a rough estimate on the cost. Are there any guide lines that people use out= there? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Jim< You will never get rich doing stained glass for a living, but it is possible to make a living at it. I have. Here's my pricing formulae (mo= re than one depending upon the situation). Please, please, please DO NOT go= any lower in your pricing, or you will devalue our (i.e. professional stained glass artist's) work. General pricing: $100-$150 per square foot on a sliding scale dependent upon complexity of the pattern Custom work: ((number of square inches) * complexity factor) + installati= on cost + design fee complexity factor =3D sliding scale from .5 to 1.5 again dependen= t upon many variables such as straight line design versus all curves, large= pieces versus small, inexpensive glass versus expensive glass, special processes such as painting on glass or overlays or complex patinas design fee: I use 10% of the overall cost Production work: base price + oversized factor + special requests I have a line of about 30 standard easy-to-construct designs which I offe= r at a set discounted price. However, if the size of the panel is over 300= square inches, then I add on an Oversize Factor, which is the number of additional square inches times some price/square inch, such as $.25 - .45= per additional square inch. The special requests are for things such as bevels or acid-etching or wheel-engraved bevels, etc. Lampshades: $1 per piece in the lampshade Best wishes. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 15:22:32 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:56:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: estimates and prices Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:49:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone again, I think my last posting was misleading. I am not looking for help in pricing my work, but for some print out sheets for when you get a commission. It must have been at least 2 years ago that they were around. There were 3 altogether. One for an estimate of the piece, one for changes the client might make , and another for the final price to be paid including deposits and all that other serious stuff. I hope this is clearer and thank you to all who have steered me to the ballpark estimating. Which I use a lot. Regards Gillian ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 21:39:29 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:58:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!byronw26 From: "Byron Wells" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: estimates and prices Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:48:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk Hey Gillian.. Sounds like the legal type docs I sent to everyone several years back.. I came up with several documents to keep me out of a bind years ago... I have the following that I can send to anyone wanting them: Repair info sheet, estimate sheet,change order,proposal. Tell ya what... To save time etc I'll make a separate post with each of them, that way they will be in the archives for any future folks needing them... Uses them as is and just put your company name or whatever you like... Byron... Wells Glassworks www.wellsglassworks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Higson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: estimates and prices > Hi everyone again, > I think my last posting was misleading. I am not looking for help in > pricing my work, but for some print out sheets for when you get a > commission. It must have been at least 2 years ago that they were > around. There were 3 altogether. One for an estimate of the piece, one > for changes the client might make , and another for the final price to > be paid including deposits and all that other serious stuff. I hope > this is clearer and thank you to all who have steered me to the > ballpark estimating. Which I use a lot. > Regards > Gillian > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 21:54:14 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:02:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!byronw26 From: "Byron Wells" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C2EE59.6F1EE170" Subject: Repair Authorization form Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:52:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C2EE59.6F1EE170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wells Glassworks Repair Info and Authorization =20 1. Repair work is done only by the hour plus materials. Current rate is = $ per hour. =20 2. Broken glass will be replaced with as close a match as possible with = your approval. Glass of the same exact manufacturer and color number = varies from batch to batch. Older glass may be impossible to match = exactly. =20 3. Hand beveling of any replacement parts is extra. =20 4. Payment in full is expected upon completion of repairs. =20 5. We will not be responsible for any further damage that occurs during = the repair. Every effort will be made to not cause further damage during = repair, however should any further damage occur it is subject to the = same hourly repair rate plus materials.=20 =20 6. There is absolutely no guarantee on any door repair. To many things = can cause damage to doors such as slamming by children, wind etc. =20 7. Removal and reinstallation of panels is charged by the hour also. =20 8. Any extra equipment (such as scaffold rental), extra workmen for = large panel installation etc. is extra. =20 9. Refinishing of any wood/molding is the responsibility of the = builder/homeowner. =20 10. There is NO guarantee that wood/molding will not be damaged during = removal or installation of glass panels. Most molding is nailed and/or = glued quite well and does not always come off in one piece. =20 Name: =20 Address: =20 Tel. # Work to be done and approximate cost: =20 =20 I have read and understand the above items and authorize repair work to = begin. =20 Signature: =20 ___________________________________________________ Date:____________ ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C2EE59.6F1EE170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wells Glassworks

Repair=20 Info and Authorization

 

1.=20 Repair work is done only by the hour plus materials. Current rate is = $      per=20 hour.

 

2.=20 Broken glass will be replaced with as close a match as possible with = your=20 approval. Glass of the same exact manufacturer and color number varies = from=20 batch to batch. Older glass may be impossible to match=20 exactly.

 

3.=20 Hand beveling of any replacement parts is = extra.

 

4.=20 Payment in full is expected upon completion of=20 repairs.

 

5.=20 We will not be responsible for any further damage that occurs during the = repair.=20 Every effort will be made to not cause further damage during repair, = however=20 should any further damage occur it is subject to the same hourly repair = rate=20 plus materials.

 

6.=20 There is absolutely no guarantee on any door repair. To many things can = cause=20 damage to doors such as slamming by children, wind=20 etc.

 

7.=20 Removal and reinstallation of panels is charged by the hour=20 also.

 

8. Any extra equipment (such as = scaffold rental),=20 extra workmen for large panel installation etc. is = extra.

 

9.=20 Refinishing of any wood/molding is the responsibility of the=20 builder/homeowner.

 

10.=20 There is NO guarantee that wood/molding will not be damaged = during=20 removal or installation of glass panels. Most molding is nailed and/or = glued=20 quite well and does not always come off in one = piece.

 

Name:

 

Address:

 

Tel.=20 #

Work=20 to be done and approximate cost:

 

 

 I have read and understand the = above=20 items and authorize repair work to begin.

 

Signature:

 

___________________________________________________   =20 Date:____________

------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C2EE59.6F1EE170-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Mar 19 22:15:43 2003 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:12:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!byronw26 From: "Byron Wells" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2EE59.C250CB10" Subject: Proposal Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:54:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2EE59.C250CB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wells Glassworks Proposal =20 1. Type of panel. = __________________________________________________________ =20 2. Size and number of panel(s). = _______________________________________________ =20 3. Glass(es) to be used. = ______________________________________________________ =20 4. Came to be used. = _________________________________________________________ =20 5. Bevels and sizes to be used. = ________________________________________________ =20 6. Cluster(s) to be used. = _____________________________________________________ =20 7. Panel(s) are to be installed in what manner. = __________________________________ =20 8. Will Panel(s) need to be reinforced and with what. = ____________________________ =20 9. A change order must be signed for any changes. Anything changed = after work has begun is extra. =20 10. Lines may be added or moved in panels during construction if = necessary for strength. =20 11. Lines, extra bubbles, grooves, distorted areas, divits etc are all = normal in art glass.=20 =20 12. Any refinishing of door, window etc is to be done by owner or = builder. =20 13. Price of panel(s). _______________________ Deposit Amount to be = paid.______________ =20 Sketch or Drawing Number: =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Price quotes are good for 90 days only. =20 Signature(s) =20 __________________________ __________________________ =20 =20 Print Name: = =20 =20 __________________________ ___________________________ =20 =20 Address: __________________________________________________ Date: = __________ =20 =20 Metro 972-206-2624 fax 972-206-0285 Web: www.wellsglassworks.com =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2EE59.C250CB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wells Glassworks Proposal

 

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)=20 need to be reinforced and with what.=20 ____________________________

 

9.     =20 A = change order=20 must be signed for any changes. Anything changed after work has begun is = extra.

1.     =20 Type = of  panel. =20 __________________________________________________________

 

2.     =20 Size = and=20 number of panel(s).=20 _______________________________________________

 

3.     =20 Glass(es) to=20 be used.=20 ______________________________________________________<= /B>

 

4.     =20 Came = to be=20 used.=20 _________________________________________________________

 

5.     =20 Bevels and=20 sizes to be used.=20 ________________________________________________

 

6.     =20 Cluster(s) to=20 be used.=20 _____________________________________________________

 

7.     =20 Panel(s) are=20 to be installed in what manner.=20 __________________________________

 

8.     =20 Will = Panel(s)