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Message text written by "strainsa"
>I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinkin=
g
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i=
f
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What widt=
h
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would t=
he
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas o=
r
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
considering a nice horse head picture.<

Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil.  Us=
e
the width of foil appropriate to the glass width.  For thin glass such as=

glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide.  For "normal" stained glass width su=
ch
as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32".  For highly textured and/=
or
thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4".

You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the=

copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo=
w
as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th=
e
house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there).   In that=

instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to
weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame.  Bu=
t
I've never done a window in this manner.  I've always had either an
insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in
place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains=
t
it.

The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since=

solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100=
%
lead.

Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci=
de
anything else.  What type of frame will you use?  How will it fit into th=
e
opening?  Using thin, flexible wood molding?  Using lead?  Is it to be
placed up against an existing exterior window?  Are their mullions
(wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into
account?  If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th=
e
window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit=

your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the
mullions?  What material will you use to install the panel?  Screws? =

Nails?  Silicone? Wood moldings?  Combinations of the above?  Hanging fro=
m
eye hooks?

One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t=
o
only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the
"mechanical" parts until far too late.  Take care of these details first,=

and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have=
 a
plan for the most difficult parts.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
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ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou=
gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo=
uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (=
1/8&quot; is bendable). Good luck, have fun.<BR>
<BR>
Suzanne<BR>
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ong enough using the foil instead of lead came? &nbsp;Any ideas or hints wou=
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Message text written by "strainsa"
>I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinkin=
g
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i=
f
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What widt=
h
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would t=
he
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas o=
r
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
considering a nice horse head picture.<

Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil.  Us=
e
the width of foil appropriate to the glass width.  For thin glass such as=

glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide.  For "normal" stained glass width su=
ch
as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32".  For highly textured and/=
or
thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4".

You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the=

copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo=
w
as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th=
e
house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there).   In that=

instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to
weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame.  Bu=
t
I've never done a window in this manner.  I've always had either an
insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in
place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains=
t
it.

The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since=

solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100=
%
lead.

Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci=
de
anything else.  What type of frame will you use?  How will it fit into th=
e
opening?  Using thin, flexible wood molding?  Using lead?  Is it to be
placed up against an existing exterior window?  Are their mullions
(wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into
account?  If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th=
e
window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit=

your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the
mullions?  What material will you use to install the panel?  Screws? =

Nails?  Silicone? Wood moldings?  Combinations of the above?  Hanging fro=
m
eye hooks?

One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t=
o
only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the
"mechanical" parts until far too late.  Take care of these details first,=

and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have=
 a
plan for the most difficult parts.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was =
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
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<BR>
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ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou=
gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo=
uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (=
1/8&quot; is bendable). Good luck, have fun.<BR>
<BR>
Suzanne<BR>
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ong enough using the foil instead of lead came? &nbsp;Any ideas or hints wou=
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Message text written by "strainsa"
>I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinkin=
g
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i=
f
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What widt=
h
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would t=
he
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas o=
r
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
considering a nice horse head picture.<

Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil.  Us=
e
the width of foil appropriate to the glass width.  For thin glass such as=

glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide.  For "normal" stained glass width su=
ch
as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32".  For highly textured and/=
or
thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4".

You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the=

copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo=
w
as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th=
e
house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there).   In that=

instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to
weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame.  Bu=
t
I've never done a window in this manner.  I've always had either an
insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in
place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains=
t
it.

The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since=

solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100=
%
lead.

Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci=
de
anything else.  What type of frame will you use?  How will it fit into th=
e
opening?  Using thin, flexible wood molding?  Using lead?  Is it to be
placed up against an existing exterior window?  Are their mullions
(wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into
account?  If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th=
e
window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit=

your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the
mullions?  What material will you use to install the panel?  Screws? =

Nails?  Silicone? Wood moldings?  Combinations of the above?  Hanging fro=
m
eye hooks?

One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t=
o
only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the
"mechanical" parts until far too late.  Take care of these details first,=

and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have=
 a
plan for the most difficult parts.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was =
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wondering if anyone has ever done something of this size using copper =
foil.  What width foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use =
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
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gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo=
uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (=
1/8&quot; is bendable). Good luck, have fun.<BR>
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Message text written by "strainsa"
>I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinkin=
g
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i=
f
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What widt=
h
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would t=
he
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas o=
r
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
considering a nice horse head picture.<

Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil.  Us=
e
the width of foil appropriate to the glass width.  For thin glass such as=

glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide.  For "normal" stained glass width su=
ch
as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32".  For highly textured and/=
or
thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4".

You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the=

copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo=
w
as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th=
e
house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there).   In that=

instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to
weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame.  Bu=
t
I've never done a window in this manner.  I've always had either an
insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in
place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains=
t
it.

The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since=

solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100=
%
lead.

Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci=
de
anything else.  What type of frame will you use?  How will it fit into th=
e
opening?  Using thin, flexible wood molding?  Using lead?  Is it to be
placed up against an existing exterior window?  Are their mullions
(wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into
account?  If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th=
e
window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit=

your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the
mullions?  What material will you use to install the panel?  Screws? =

Nails?  Silicone? Wood moldings?  Combinations of the above?  Hanging fro=
m
eye hooks?

One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t=
o
only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the
"mechanical" parts until far too late.  Take care of these details first,=

and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have=
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plan for the most difficult parts.

Christie A. Wood
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

on 1/31/03 7:02 PM, strainsa at strainsa@netzero.net wrote:

I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
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uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (=
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Message text written by "strainsa"
>I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinkin=
g
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i=
f
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What widt=
h
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would t=
he
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas o=
r
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
considering a nice horse head picture.<

Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil.  Us=
e
the width of foil appropriate to the glass width.  For thin glass such as=

glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide.  For "normal" stained glass width su=
ch
as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32".  For highly textured and/=
or
thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4".

You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the=

copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo=
w
as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th=
e
house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there).   In that=

instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to
weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame.  Bu=
t
I've never done a window in this manner.  I've always had either an
insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in
place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains=
t
it.

The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since=

solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100=
%
lead.

Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci=
de
anything else.  What type of frame will you use?  How will it fit into th=
e
opening?  Using thin, flexible wood molding?  Using lead?  Is it to be
placed up against an existing exterior window?  Are their mullions
(wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into
account?  If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th=
e
window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit=

your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the
mullions?  What material will you use to install the panel?  Screws? =

Nails?  Silicone? Wood moldings?  Combinations of the above?  Hanging fro=
m
eye hooks?

One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t=
o
only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the
"mechanical" parts until far too late.  Take care of these details first,=

and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have=
 a
plan for the most difficult parts.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
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Yes, I have done this.<BR>
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Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are usi=
ng. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong enou=
gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo=
uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (=
1/8&quot; is bendable). Good luck, have fun.<BR>
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Suzanne<BR>
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Message text written by "strainsa"
>I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinkin=
g
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering i=
f
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What widt=
h
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would t=
he
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas o=
r
hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is a horse lover so I am
considering a nice horse head picture.<

Sure, I've done lots of panels that size or larger using copper foil.  Us=
e
the width of foil appropriate to the glass width.  For thin glass such as=

glue chip or smooth, use 3/16" wide.  For "normal" stained glass width su=
ch
as waterglass, hammered, seedy, etc. use 7/32".  For highly textured and/=
or
thicker glass such as Baroque, ripple, ice, granite, etc. use 1/4".

You don't use cement or grout with copper foil unless you are putting the=

copper foiled panel inside a lead outter frame, and then using that windo=
w
as an exterior window (i.e. it is the only glass between the inside of th=
e
house and the outside - there is no plate glass already there).   In that=

instance, your panel would be an exterior window, and you would need to
weatherseal it by puttying the copper foil panel into the lead frame.  Bu=
t
I've never done a window in this manner.  I've always had either an
insulated double pane window or at least a piece of clear float glass in
place for the exterior, and then placed the stained glass panel up agains=
t
it.

The copper foil panel will actually be stronger than a lead window, since=

solder is a combination of tin and lead, and is stronger/stiffer than 100=
%
lead.

Hint: Plan out HOW you are going to install the panel WAY before you deci=
de
anything else.  What type of frame will you use?  How will it fit into th=
e
opening?  Using thin, flexible wood molding?  Using lead?  Is it to be
placed up against an existing exterior window?  Are their mullions
(wooden/plastic cross pieces) already there which you have to take into
account?  If there are mullions, can they be removed so you can design th=
e
window any way you want, or...if they cannot be removed...does that limit=

your choice of glass to only opaque glass in order to minimize the
mullions?  What material will you use to install the panel?  Screws? =

Nails?  Silicone? Wood moldings?  Combinations of the above?  Hanging fro=
m
eye hooks?

One of the biggest mistakes a person can make in doing stained glass is t=
o
only think about the "fun" parts of the project, and not consider the
"mechanical" parts until far too late.  Take care of these details first,=

and the rest of the project will go much smoother, since you already have=
 a
plan for the most difficult parts.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
Denton, TX
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

Suzanne

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about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
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of lead came?  Any ideas or hints would be appreciated.  My daughter is =
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Yes, I have done this.

Use whatever width of foil works for the thickness of the glass you are
using. No grout or cement with copper foil. Yes, the window will be strong
enough if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse
certainly would) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc,
copper or lead. (1/8" is bendable). Good luck, have fun.

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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was thinking
about making a 2 foot circular window for my daughter and was wondering if
anyone has ever done something of this size using copper foil.  What width
foil would be the best?  Would I still have to use cement/grout?  Would the
window be strong enough using the foil instead of lead came?  Any ideas or
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gh if you have enough solder lines crossing each other (a horse certainly wo=
uld) and if you edge it all the way around in either zinc, copper or lead. (=
1/8&quot; is bendable). Good luck, have fun.<BR>
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I have primarily been making lamps and small suncatchers.  I was =
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Thanks Dave,
I was wondering what the problem was.  I can't say it was a problem, I =
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Do you cut the mirror on the back or front?
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Front. Be careful not to disturb the backing. After your mirror is cut, you
should spray it with mirror protectant on the sides and back, or at least
brush some nail polish over the sides. The silver backing can be ruined by
contact with flux!

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Hi Folks,
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I just bought some brass trim to go around the outside of a project. I left 
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Hello dear Friends,
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK coming out of "lurkdom" again.
I have a student in UK who is emmigrating to Australia in a few months time
and she would like to continue her stained glass learning. Are there any of
you out there in Australia ??
Tanya - my student-  is moving to Perth. Initially, any contact in Australia
for me to start off with, would be great.
Many greetings from Across The Pond! Toby and Meric are doing fine.   ...And
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Elisabeth,

Just yesterday I was browsing the pattern books at my local stained glass 
shops and I was again impressed with the work of Jillian Sawyer, who has 
published several books and who owns a studio in Perth.   I don't have any 
idea if she teaches, but I found her email address,  firebird@iinet.net.au.  
She may be able to suggest someone good.

There is a website for the publisher of her books at 
http://www.glassbooks.com.au/index.html.

I hope this helps.

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This is not a good time for French companies to be spaming honest US mailing
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To Email Elaine or Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org
To Email Howard only USE: inhockdeep@peak.org
TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.com/~weaver51/lamps
WILL BE CLOSING TELEPORT SHORTLY!!!
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Message text written by INTERNET:SGriffiSBG@aol.com
>i havent gotten mail except from 2 or 3 people for several weeks.  No on=
e =

'talking' or is it my server?   miss you guys....<

I am swamped with work!  Got 23 panels/lampshades awaiting repair, plus (=
2)
71" tall sidelights, (1) extra large hanging panel, (2) smaller abstract
panels and about (10) kitchen cabinet panels awaiting construction.  Can'=
t
keep up!  Got 2 part-time college students helping, plus my Mom, but can'=
t
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I'm here. Have been planning out  a window I want to build for my front door
and just completed a small suncatcher that will be going on my web site
shortly. Now to see if it can remain there or if Apple Lawyers are going to
e mail be to remove it :-/

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been very active

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SIR 

I am   Mr Dickson Duke, a director with the AFRICAN
 CONTINETAL BANK VIA
 LOME here in TOGO. There was a client of mine who
 died with his entire
 family in an air crash aboard Ethiopian Airlines,
 flight 961 in 1999
 while on vacation.
 
 Prior to his death, I was his banker and confidant who held a lot of issues in 
trust for him including his Bank account, certificate of deposits with a 
security company all under my supervision and control. My late friend died in 
testate (without a will) leaving no authority to a next of kin thereby making 
his treasures vulnerable to claim by any person with documentary evidence of his 
total
 fund USD$50million. Out of this, only US$30million is in the bank while the 
balance of US$20 million is with a security company. 
 
 Owing to government fiscal policy on dormant accounts especially those 
domiciled in foreign currencies are frozen and converted for government use 
after five years
 of dormancy either in the bank or the security company.
 
I am in possession all relevant documents to this Fund and avenues through
 which this fund can be taken out of the country.i
 
 If you are interested in this deal, your name which is same as his will be
 presented to the bank and the security company which will be used to claim the 
fund as if my late friend left a claim or authority in your name and because
 you are a foreigner this will be easy to do as he was also a foreigner.
 
 
The procedure being that you will be required to open a domiciliary account
 with another local bank HERE from where the fund of my late friend in
 both in the security company and the bank will be moved to your would
 be account at no suspicion or problem at all, from where the fund will
 finally leave the country.
 
 In the light of this, you will be required to write an application as the next 
of kin of my late friend; after the application has been processed you will then 
open the account for the domestic transfer of this fund. The reward of your 
efforts, collaboration and assistance will be 50%
 of the fund less expenses. At the conclusion of this transaction I will
 come to your country for the sharing of the money or any other country
 nominated by you for this purpose, and would also invest my own share
 there at your advice. Be fully assured that this transaction is leak
 proof and totally risk free. Treat with utmost dispatch. 
 
 I am waiting for your response,
 
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 Mr Dickson Duke




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Message from Mike Altman




To All: 

A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected. 

Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find it in 
your computer too. 


The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee 
Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the 
system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,  
whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. 


Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS 


1. Go to Start, Find or search option 

2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe 

3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other drives 
you may have. 

4. Click "find now" 

5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT 

6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, choose 
"select all" to highlight the file without opening it. 

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to 
the Recycle Bin. 


IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR 

ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. 

To do this: 

(a) Open a new e-mail message 

(b) Click the icon of the address book 

(c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" 

(d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail 


Phyllis Alexander 

Sisters, Inc. 

2110 Riverside Drive 

Norman,OK 73072-6613 

(405) 447-7138 






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<BR>
<BR>
To All: <BR>
<BR>
A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected.=
 <BR>
<BR>
Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find it in=
 your computer too. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee <BR>
Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the s=
ystem. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,&nbsp;=20=
whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS=
 <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
1. Go to Start, Find or search option <BR>
<BR>
2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe <BR>
<BR>
3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other drives=
 you may have. <BR>
<BR>
4. Click "find now" <BR>
<BR>
5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe <B>DO NOT OPEN=20=
IT </B><BR>
<BR>
6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, choose "se=
lect all" to highlight the file without opening it. <BR>
<BR>
7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to <B=
R>
the Recycle Bin. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR <BR>
<BR>
ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. <BR>
<BR>
To do this: <BR>
<BR>
(a) Open a new e-mail message <BR>
<BR>
(b) Click the icon of the address book <BR>
<BR>
(c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" <BR>
<BR>
(d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Phyllis Alexander <BR>
<BR>
Sisters, Inc. <BR>
<BR>
2110 Riverside Drive <BR>
<BR>
Norman,OK 73072-6613 <BR>
<BR>
(405) 447-7138 <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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From: Jan Payne - Beaver Schools <jpayne@beaver.k12.ok.us>
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a file that is needed to run your computer!  This is a HOAX email!

Jan


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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: New Virus With a Clock



Message from Mike Altman




To All:=20

A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS in=
fected.=20

Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will fin=
d it in your computer too.=20


The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee=
=20
Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damagin=
g the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the addres=
s book,  whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.=20


Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST =
DO THIS=20


1. Go to Start, Find or search option=20

2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe=20

3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any other=
 drives you may have.=20

4. Click "find now"=20

5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT O=
PEN IT=20

6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, cho=
ose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it.=20

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will then g=
o to=20
the Recycle Bin.=20


IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR=20

ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.=
=20

To do this:=20

(a) Open a new e-mail message=20

(b) Click the icon of the address book=20

(c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"=20

(d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail=20


Phyllis Alexander=20

Sisters, Inc.=20

2110 Riverside Drive=20

Norman,OK 73072-6613=20

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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> New Virus With a Clock</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Message from Mike Altman<BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR><BR><BR>To All: <BR><BR>A virus has been passed on to 
me by a contact. My address book WAS infected. <BR><BR>Since you are in my 
address book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer too. 
<BR><BR><BR>The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee 
<BR>Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before damaging the 
system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,&nbsp; 
whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. <BR><BR><BR>Here's how to check 
for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS <BR><BR><BR>1. Go to 
Start, Find or search option <BR><BR>2. In the file'folder option, type the name 
jdbgmgr.exe <BR><BR>3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and 
any other drives you may have. <BR><BR>4. Click "find now" <BR><BR>5. The Virus 
has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe <B>DO NOT OPEN IT </B><BR><BR>6. 
Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in, choose "select 
all" to highlight the file without opening it. <BR><BR>7. Now go to File (on the 
menu bar) and select delete. It will then go to <BR>the Recycle Bin. 
<BR><BR><BR>IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR 
<BR><BR>ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. 
<BR><BR>To do this: <BR><BR>(a) Open a new e-mail message <BR><BR>(b) Click the 
icon of the address book <BR><BR>(c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC" 
<BR><BR>(d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail <BR><BR><BR>Phyllis Alexander 
<BR><BR>Sisters, Inc. <BR><BR>2110 Riverside Drive <BR><BR>Norman,OK 73072-6613 
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OK, Help!!  Who do I believe?  Who is Phyllis Alexander of Norman, OK?  Is 
she the hoaxter?  Who's Jan, who said, No, No, NO, don't delete the jdbgmgr 
file?  

I'd like some confirmation as to whether I go thru the rigamarole of finding 
this file and deleting it, or just forget about it and go on with my life.  
How about a second or third opinion, please.  Thanks.  Brian Johnson

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It is a hoax.  Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/   In the "select a =
topic" box right at the top, select searches, type in the name of the =
"virus", hit go.  It will take you right to a few articles about this =
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Another place to check is http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html=0D
this is the Symantec Security Response page.  Just scroll down to Jdbgmgr
exe file and it will tell you about the hoax and for anyone that may have
deleted the file, it will provide instruction on how to undo.=0D
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Vicki=0D
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From: MB=0D
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 06:08:48 AM=0D
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Subject: re: virus vs hoax=0D
 =0D
It is a hoax.  Check out http://www.urbanlegends.com/   In the "select a
topic" box right at the top, select searches, type in the name of the "vi=
rus
, hit go.  It will take you right to a few articles about this one.  Hope
this helps! M=0D
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<DIV>Another place to&nbsp;check is <A href=3D"http://www.symantec.com/av=
center/hoax.html">http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>this is the Symantec&nbsp;Security Response page.&nbsp; Just scroll =
down to Jdbgmgr.exe file and it will tell you about the hoax and for anyo=
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undo.</DIV>
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<DIV>Vicki<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href=3D"m=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> Wednesday, F=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D4>It is a hoax.&nbsp; Check out <A href=3D=
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Aloha everyone,

I am wondering how many of you have decided to go to the Glass Expo in Las
Vegas in March?
I am booked and will hopefully be going providing no war breaks out.  Totally
nervous about flying though!

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I will be attending for my first time.  I am staying at the hotel and
would love to hook up.

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Subject: Glass Expo - Las Vegas

Aloha everyone,

I am wondering how many of you have decided to go to the Glass Expo in
Las
Vegas in March?
I am booked and will hopefully be going providing no war breaks out.
Totally
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We (howard and wife) were in LV for 6+ weeks cat and house sitting.
MY offer here is to share a few insights (such as food, mountain areas, =
and interesting places) that are not specifically gambling related and =
probably more effective if you have more than a weekend and =
transportation. The allure of the Venetian, NY NY, Bellagio =
(waterworks), Treasure Island and Mandalay Bay just to name a few that =
are worth seeing for non-gambling stuff. Freemont street light show is =
impressive.

I also have a portfolio of MANY pictures of the area and they can be =
viewed by asking, I then send the link to the photo album to your email =
address......
Howard (who still makes lamps and will try to answer questions)







To Email Elaine or Howard USE: weaver51@peak.org
To Email Howard only USE: inhockdeep@peak.org
TO SEE MY SHADES: http://home.teleport.com/~weaver51/lamps
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Hee Sun Stained Glass is proud to announce our 5th anniversary sale and open
house.

Our anniversary open house and sale will be held this Saturday and Sunday,
Feb 22 and Feb 23.  The hours Saturday will be 12 til 6 pm with crate sales
, featuring Wissmach and Uroborus Glass, at 2pm and 4pm.  Sundays hours will
be 12 til 4 pm AND for those customers that come in on Sunday also there
will be special pricing structure just for those that come in both
days......Of course all this is barring another little snowstorm :o)   As
always we will have free door prizes and lots of specials as well as plenty
of food.  We look forward to seeing all of you there. We will have glass
blowing demonstrations Saturday from 12 - 5 and possibly Sunday from 12-4.

A lot has gone on in the past year, including the addition of a
lampworking/glassblowing/beadmaking classroom and instructor.   Dave Mullen
of Yoshi Glass of Virginia Beach has become a member of Hee Sun Stained
Glass' family to bring you lampworking/glassblowing/beadmaking classes and
finished products. As of April  2003 Dave Mullen of Yoshi Glass will be a
permanent and daily part of our studio and we will be offering more classes
on lampworking/glassblowing/beadmaking, including clear glass sculptures,
christmas ornaments, oil lamps, and more.

Please try to stop by this weekend and remember - the more you stop by - the
more you can save. BUT you have to show up to save additional and we promise
to make it worth your while.


See you this weekend.

Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD
2025 Suffolk Road Suite 9
Finksburg, MD 21048
http://www.heesun.com
robert@heesun.com
410-833-3007

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Subject: Annual Baltimore Craft Show
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Today, Saturday, and Sunday, at the Civic Center, is the annual 
Baltimore Craft Show.  Juried.  Fantastic.  Last year there were 97 
glass booths, each one finer than the other.  Well...   Only 3 or 4 
stained glass booths, but extremely good.  A sprinkling of warm glass, 
and oodles of hot glass.  Last year my husband and I did it in one day 
and just the glass - and were exhausted.  If you also have a yen for 
hand woven fabrics and hand made clothes, want to pet the pots or the 
gorgeous wood furniture, covet gold and silver and jewels, etc. you 
really should get the two day admission.  American Craft Council is 
sponser and the first part of the week was limited to professional 
buyers. - Cec

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  Message from Mike Altman




  To All:=20

  A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS =
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  Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will find =
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to=20
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href=3D"mailto:Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us">Mlutes@MSB.mat-su.k12.ak.us</=
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href=3D"mailto:orders@brownmaterials.com">orders@brownmaterials.com</A> =
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href=3D"mailto:Gracky@olypen.com">Gracky@olypen.com</A>=20
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<A=20
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k.us</A>=20
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href=3D"mailto:Seattle@caylx.nl">Seattle@caylx.nl</A> ;=20
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href=3D"mailto:lstrauss@spokanecounty.org">lstrauss@spokanecounty.org</A>=
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; <A=20
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  =
href=3D"mailto:JacqueDuane@earthlink.net">JacqueDuane@earthlink.net</A> =
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href=3D"mailto:vogelsr@PDX.edu">vogelsr@PDX.edu</A> ; <A=20
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<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:KCW@olypen.com">KCW@olypen.com</A> ; <A=20
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  href=3D"mailto:CharlesW99@aol.com">CharlesW99@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:WillW@olypen.com">WillW@olypen.com</A> ;=20
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  href=3D"mailto:waddink@worldonline.NL">waddink@worldonline.NL</A> ; <A =

  title=3DL1654w@telus.net =
href=3D"mailto:L1654w@telus.net">L1654w@telus.net</A> ;=20
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  href=3D"mailto:Dottydid@Freeland.net">Dottydid@Freeland.net</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 18, =
2003 2:07=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> New Virus With a =
Clock</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Message from Mike Altman<BR></FONT><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR><BR><BR>To All: <BR><BR>A virus has been =
passed on=20
  to me by a contact. My address book WAS infected. <BR><BR>Since you =
are in my=20
  address book, there is a good chance you will find it in your computer =
too.=20
  <BR><BR><BR>The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton =
or McAfee=20
  <BR>Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before =
damaging the=20
  system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address =
book,&nbsp;=20
  whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts. <BR><BR><BR>Here's =
how to=20
  check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU MUST DO THIS =
<BR><BR><BR>1.=20
  Go to Start, Find or search option <BR><BR>2. In the file'folder =
option, type=20
  the name jdbgmgr.exe <BR><BR>3. Be sure you search your C: drive and =
all=20
  sub-folders and any other drives you may have. <BR><BR>4. Click "find =
now"=20
  <BR><BR>5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe =
<B>DO NOT=20
  OPEN IT </B><BR><BR>6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you =
are=20
  presently in, choose "select all" to highlight the file without =
opening it.=20
  <BR><BR>7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will =
then go=20
  to <BR>the Recycle Bin. <BR><BR><BR>IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST =
CONTACT=20
  ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR <BR><BR>ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT =
IN THEIR=20
  OWN ADDRESS BOOKS. <BR><BR>To do this: <BR><BR>(a) Open a new e-mail =
message=20
  <BR><BR>(b) Click the icon of the address book <BR><BR>(c) Highlight =
every=20
  name and add to "BCC" <BR><BR>(d) Copy this message and paste to =
e-mail=20
  <BR><BR><BR>Phyllis Alexander <BR><BR>Sisters, Inc. <BR><BR>2110 =
Riverside=20
  Drive <BR><BR>Norman,OK 73072-6613 <BR><BR>(405) 447-7138=20
  <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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MR.JOHNSON MBUZO 
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E-MAIL-j_mbuzo1@primposta.com 
SOUTH AFRICA. 


ATTN: 
You may be surprise to receive this letter from me since you don't know 
me personally. I am .JOHNSON MBUZO the son of  WILLIAM MBUZO who was 
recently murdered in the land dispute in Zimbabwe. I got your 
contact through Network on line in my search for a reliable and 
reputable person to handle a very confidential transaction which 
involves a transfer of fund to a foreign account and I decided to write 
you,my late father was among the few black Zimbabwean rich farmers 
murdered in cold blood by the agents of the ruling government of 
president Robert Mugabe. 

For his alleged support and sympathy for the Zimbabwean opposition 
party controlled by the white minority.Before his death he had taken to 
johannesburg - South Africa to deposit the sum of US$ 12.7 Million 
(Twelve Million Seven Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) with a 
Security and Finance Company as if he foresaw the looming danger in 
Zimbabwe. 

The money was deposited in a box as valuables to avoid much  demurrage 
from the Security Company. This money was embarked from the purchase of 
new machinery and chemical for farms and the establishment of new farms 
in Lesotho and Swaziland.This land problem arose when President Robert 
Mugabe introduced a new land act that wholly affected the rich white 
farmers and some few blacks vehemently condemned the "modus operandi" 
adopted by the government. 


This resulted to rampant killing and mob action by the war veterans and 
some political thugs. precisely, More than thirty-one (31) people have 
so far been  killed.Heads of governments from the west, especially 
Britain and United States of America have voiced their condemnation of 
Mugabe'splan. 

Subsequently, South African Development Community(S.A.D.C) has 
continously supported Mugabe's new land act, it is against this 
background that I and my family who are currently residing in South 
Africa have decided to transfer my Father's money into a foreign 
account. As the eldest son of my Father, I am saddled with the 
responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money 
could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are 
tactically freezing our family wealth and South Africa's government 
seems to be playing along with  them. 

I am faced with the dilemma of investing this money in South Africa for 
fear of encountering the same experience in future since both countries 
have almost the same political history. More so, the South African 
Foreign Exchange policy does not allow such investment hence I am 
seeking for an "asylum". 

As a business person whom I entrusted my future and that of my family 
into his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is 100% risk 
free and the nature of your business does not necessarily matter.For 
your assistance,we are offering you 20% of the total sum,75% for me and 
my family while 5% will be mapped out for any expenses we may incure 
during this transaction.We wish to invest our money on commercial 
property based on your advice. 

Finally,I will demand for assurance that you will not sit on this money 
when it finally gets to your personal or company's accoun t in your 
country. If this proposal is acceptable by you, please confirm your 
interest via  this email address johnsonmbuzo@hotmail.com or my phone 
number-27-83-4754111 or you reply through email. 

Best Regards, 


Johnson Mbuzo 


 

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ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax. 
 Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with 
urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are 
actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and 
bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie!

Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever 
get that 
"Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..." 
Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate.  Chances are good you 
will get the virus before the general public is notified at all.

Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it 
download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY.  Those 
of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many 
viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more 
protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting!

Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when 
an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update, 
patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT.  (Maybe wait a week 
so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know 
whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.)  - Cec

Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:

>  
>
> I usually check this site before doing anything.  It has saved me 
> before.  Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark.
>
> http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm
>
> Terrie
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>     <mailto:Dottydid@Freeland.net>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM
>     *Subject:* New Virus With a Clock
>
>
>     Message from Mike Altman
>
>
>
>
>     To All:
>
>     A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS
>     infected.
>
>     Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will
>     find it in your computer too.
>
>
>     The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee
>     Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before
>     damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
>     the address book,  whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.
>
>
>     Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU
>     MUST DO THIS
>
>
>     1. Go to Start, Find or search option
>
>     2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe
>
>     3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any
>     other drives you may have.
>
>     4. Click "find now"
>
>     5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe *DO
>     NOT OPEN IT *
>
>     6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in,
>     choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it.
>
>     7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will
>     then go to
>     the Recycle Bin.
>
>
>     IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR
>
>     ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.
>
>     To do this:
>
>     (a) Open a new e-mail message
>
>     (b) Click the icon of the address book
>
>     (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"
>
>     (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail
>
>
>     Phyllis Alexander
>
>     Sisters, Inc.
>
>     2110 Riverside Drive
>
>     Norman,OK 73072-6613
>
>     (405) 447-7138
>
>
>
>
>

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Exactly ... get a good antivirus program and keep the virus signatures up to
date and you won't have to worry about these stupid messages!  Norton seems
to update their files about 2-3 times a week.  Don't know about the others.
If the virus signatures are more than a week old, you're inviting
trouble.... And by the way, there are good FREE antivirus programs
available; so there is NO excuse.

Enough said,
R

-----Original Message-----
From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 AM
To: Bungi Glass
Subject: Re: New Virus (NG)

ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax.
 Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with
urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are
actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and
bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie!

Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever
get that
"Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..."
Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate.  Chances are good you
will get the virus before the general public is notified at all.

Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it
download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY.  Those
of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many
viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more
protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting!

Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when
an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update,
patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT.  (Maybe wait a week
so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know
whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.)  - Cec

Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:

>
>
> I usually check this site before doing anything.  It has saved me
> before.  Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark.
>
> http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm
>
> Terrie
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
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>     <mailto:Dottydid@Freeland.net>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:07 PM
>     *Subject:* New Virus With a Clock
>
>
>     Message from Mike Altman
>
>
>
>
>     To All:
>
>     A virus has been passed on to me by a contact. My address book WAS
>     infected.
>
>     Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance you will
>     find it in your computer too.
>
>
>     The virus (called jdbgmgr.exe) is not detected by Norton or McAfee
>     Anti-virus systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before
>     damaging the system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
>     the address book,  whether or not you sent Emails to your contacts.
>
>
>     Here's how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it: YOU
>     MUST DO THIS
>
>
>     1. Go to Start, Find or search option
>
>     2. In the file'folder option, type the name jdbgmgr.exe
>
>     3. Be sure you search your C: drive and all sub-folders and any
>     other drives you may have.
>
>     4. Click "find now"
>
>     5. The Virus has a Teddy Bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe *DO
>     NOT OPEN IT *
>
>     6. Go to Edit (on menu bar) in the FIND box you are presently in,
>     choose "select all" to highlight the file without opening it.
>
>     7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select delete. It will
>     then go to
>     the Recycle Bin.
>
>
>     IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR
>
>     ADDRESS BOOK, SO THEY CAN ERADICATE IT IN THEIR OWN ADDRESS BOOKS.
>
>     To do this:
>
>     (a) Open a new e-mail message
>
>     (b) Click the icon of the address book
>
>     (c) Highlight every name and add to "BCC"
>
>     (d) Copy this message and paste to e-mail
>
>
>     Phyllis Alexander
>
>     Sisters, Inc.
>
>     2110 Riverside Drive
>
>     Norman,OK 73072-6613
>
>     (405) 447-7138
>
>
>
>
>

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*  Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy)
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Yes there some quite good AV programs available.  I highly recommend AVG 
available from http://www.grisoft.com as a free download with regular free 
regular downloadable updates.  All are free for private use and it 
works.  AVG has saved my a**  a number of times and has done it all 
automatically without any action from me.  I have used it for several years 
now and have not once had a problem with a virus despite having received at 
least two to three dozen in the mail during that time.  AVG simply handled 
things unobtrusively in the background.  I get a notice of the status of 
each piece of mail which I can check before opening any attachments.  See a 
typical one at the bottom of this post.  Then go to the link above and 
download AVVG and install it and quit worrying.

Disclaimer:  I have no financial connection or any other connection with 
Grisoft other than as a satisfied freeloader "customer".

At 10:43 PM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Exactly ... get a good antivirus program and keep the virus signatures up to
>date and you won't have to worry about these stupid messages!  Norton seems
>to update their files about 2-3 times a week.  Don't know about the others.
>If the virus signatures are more than a week old, you're inviting
>trouble.... And by the way, there are good FREE antivirus programs
>available; so there is NO excuse.
>
>Enough said,
>R
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net]
>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 AM
>To: Bungi Glass
>Subject: Re: New Virus (NG)
>
>ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax.
>  Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with
>urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are
>actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and
>bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie!
>
>Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever
>get that
>"Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says..."
>Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate.  Chances are good you
>will get the virus before the general public is notified at all.
>
>Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it
>download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY.  Those
>of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many
>viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more
>protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting!
>
>Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when
>an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update,
>patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT.  (Maybe wait a week
>so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know
>whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.)  - Cec
>
>Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I usually check this site before doing anything.  It has saved me
> > before.  Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark.
> >
> > http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm
> >

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Yes there some quite good AV programs available.&nbsp; I highly recommend
AVG available from
<a href="http://www.grisoft.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.grisoft.com</a>
as a free download with regular free regular downloadable updates.&nbsp; All are free for private use and it works.&nbsp; AVG has saved my a**&nbsp; a number of times and has done it all automatically without any action from me.&nbsp; I have used it for several years now and have not once had a problem with a virus despite having received at least two to three dozen in the mail during that time.&nbsp; AVG simply handled things unobtrusively in the background.&nbsp; I get a notice of the status of each piece of mail which I can check before opening any attachments.&nbsp; See a typical one at the bottom of this post.&nbsp; Then go to the link above and download AVVG and install it and quit worrying.<br><br>
Disclaimer:&nbsp; I have no financial connection or any other connection with Grisoft other than as a satisfied freeloader &quot;customer&quot;.<br><br>
At 10:43 PM 2/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Exactly ... get a good antivirus program and keep the virus signatures up to<br>
date and you won't have to worry about these stupid messages!&nbsp; Norton seems<br>
to update their files about 2-3 times a week.&nbsp; Don't know about the others.<br>
If the virus signatures are more than a week old, you're inviting<br>
trouble.... And by the way, there are good FREE antivirus programs<br>
available; so there is NO excuse.<br><br>
Enough said,<br>
R<br><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Cecily &amp; Ralph Wood [<a href="mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net" eudora="autourl">mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:15 AM<br>
To: Bungi Glass<br>
Subject: Re: New Virus (NG)<br><br>
ALWAYS double check to see whether a so-called virus is real or a hoax.<br>
&nbsp;Most of the hoaxes simply scare people and clog the internet with<br>
urgent message from the gullible to more gullibles, but some of them are<br>
actively nasty - convincing you to delete a vital system file and<br>
bollixing up your hard drive alla by yourself, if you are not a techie!<br><br>
Remember, Windows people will GET that new virus long before you ever<br>
get that<br>
&quot;Important-Inportant-If-I-can-save-just-one-person-...-Microsoft-says...&quot;<br>
Chicken Little idiocy, even if it were legitimate.&nbsp; Chances are good you<br>
will get the virus before the general public is notified at all.<br><br>
Get a good virus protector, let it check it's web site weekly, let it<br>
download what it wants to, and INSTALL THOSE UPDATES IMMEDIATELY.&nbsp; Those<br>
of you running Windows are absolutely guaranteed to get a virus, many<br>
viruses. A virus protector which is up-to-date is a whale of a lot more<br>
protection than duct tape and plastic sheeting!<br><br>
Also, make certain, no matter what operating system you run, that when<br>
an incremental update (costing little or nothing) or a security update,<br>
patch, etc. comes out, download it and INSTALL IT.&nbsp; (Maybe wait a week<br>
so the web site isn't clogged, and keep an eye on things so you know<br>
whether there are problems with the upgrade before you do it.)&nbsp; - Cec<br><br>
Terrie Altman altman-at-provalue.net |Bungier/1.0-Allow| wrote:<br><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I usually check this site before doing anything.&nbsp; It has saved me<br>
&gt; before.&nbsp; Thought I'd pass it along for you to possibly bookmark.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href="http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm" eudora="autourl">http://vmyths.com/hoax.cfm</a><br>
&gt;<br>
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Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<br>
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<a href="http://www.grisoft.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.grisoft.com</a>).<br>
Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003</blockquote>
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One nation, under surveillance. :-(<br><br>
<br>
Bob<br>
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&nbsp;'95 urS6 Cashmere Grey - der Wunderwagen  ICQ 22170244&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  <br>
&nbsp;<a href="http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.cob-net.org/church/pvcob.htm</a> <br>
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Awhile back there was some discussion of full spectrum lighting and how 
helpful/nice it was.  I just ran across a site (for fabric) which has 
several brands, and solid info about them.

Chromolux    http://www.blanksfab.com/fullspec/chrome.htm

Lumachrome   http://www.blanksfab.com/fullspec/lumi.htm   and click on 
types link for spectrum

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I absolutely LOVE Chromolux bulbs. I had them in my tattoo studio, I used
them while oil painting, use them for any craft projects. Unfortunately, I
have fluorescent tubes where I work on stained glass. I need to get a couple
goose neck lamps to put them near my work bench. NOTHING LIKE THEM! I think
they are crucial for accurate colour work.

Also, another great thing about them is if you suffer from seasonal
depression, they help with that as well. Only thing I'm not ken on with full
spectrum bulbs is they get very hot. In the winter, it's nice if you're
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other than standard carnuba wax glaze,
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Message text written by "Ray Olech"
>other than standard carnuba wax glaze, can you offer what technique(s)
used to achieve that "professional" luster
of leaded panels.<

We do not use wax on lead panels.  We use the putty, whiting, clean rags,=

and elbow grease to achieve that "professional" luster.

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Please excuse me if this is a little off the subject of full spectrum 
lighting...

My light table has four full spectrum tubes. They emit light comparable to 
sunlight. 
In addition, I have six single ceramic sockets, three on each side, equally 
spaced with mini flood lamps for incandescent quality light. 

The incandescent lights are on a dimmer and the florescent tubes are on a 
light switch. This allows me to see what the glass looks like under all 
conditions.

I hope this is not too far out in left field within the subject of full 
spectrum lighting. By doing this you are checking the glass under both 
probable display conditions. (Thanks to  Cec for suggesting the last 
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