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here's=20 a link to someone who has done this, with explanations of=20 how.

regards,

charlie

cave=20 creek, az

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From: ARTIZ01@aol.com=20 [mailto:ARTIZ01@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 = 9:32=20 AM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: Photo's in=20 Glass

I saw a lamp with photos of = the family in=20 the glass border..
How is this done? Would it be Silk = Screen?
I=20 have a customer that wants a picture of his mother in a window. Does = anyone=20 out there do this or know how it is done?
Your help would really = be=20 appreciated.

Thanks, Bob = ------_=_NextPart_001_01C243BB.B7B06010-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 11:48:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Tatt2LizID From: Tatt2LizID@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_177.cff62a7.2a8bf780_boundary" Subject: Re: Photo's in Glass Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 14:12:16 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_177.cff62a7.2a8bf780_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh wow that sounds really cool. I know quilters have a process by which you can transfer photos onto fabric...I think even KINKOS can do it for them and have seen some really neat quilts and pillows. I wonder if this might even be something a copy shop could do for you? just a guess.... --part1_177.cff62a7.2a8bf780_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh wow that sounds really cool. I know quilters have a process by which you can transfer photos onto fabric...I think even KINKOS can do it for them and have seen some really neat quilts and pillows. I wonder if this might even be something a copy shop could do for you? just a guess.... --part1_177.cff62a7.2a8bf780_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 12:29:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: suzanne albright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Barrettes Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 11:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne: Make a new mold out of wet fiber blanket using the finding so the two will fit together...or can you bend the finding out to fit the mold? Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 14 18:27:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Photo's in Glass Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:05:37 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@GSA> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Several years ago I did a panel for my aunt & uncle's 50th wedding anniversary in which I incorporated a sandwiched wedding photo (it was printed on a kind of light parchment-y paper). I used a round (or was it oval?) bevel on top and bought some special UV-blocking glass (at the local frame-it-yourself store) for the back. If using copper foil, I'd recommend the wider, heavier stuff--and be very sparing with the flux so it doesn't get inside the "sandwich." I was worried about sunlight fading out the photo (hence the UV- blocking glass) but my husband's comment was "heck, it's their 50th anniversary--they'll probably fade out before the picture does!" FWIW.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 15 06:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:28:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!ademola_aa2000 From: "Engr. 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It is hard for me to describe but after looking thru a book called Window of Vision perhaps some of you will know what I am asking.How are those lead lines created that seem to just end in the middle of a piece of glass? Much of the work I have been looking at was fabricated by Charleen Weidell. Thanks for any insight? Montee _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 06:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: telus.net!wayneglass From: "Wayne Munro" To: "Glass Club" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C244EC.B0A26AC0" Subject: Dragonfly pattern Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@telus.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C244EC.B0A26AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang, I am looking for a dragonfly pattern as a suncatcher. = (freehanging sculpture type (?) Can any one send me a pattern of this?=20 Thank you and have a good day. Wayne ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C244EC.B0A26AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi gang, I am looking for a dragonfly pattern as a = suncatcher.=20 (freehanging sculpture type (?) Can any one send me a pattern of = this?=20

Thank you and have a good day.

Wayne

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C244EC.B0A26AC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 07:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: montee Owings , glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Subject: RE: lead lines Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk usually it's just a flat piece of lead, used in overlay. or it might = be copper as it's stronger and is less likely to bend. ---Mike Savad --- Mike's Canon Powershot Pro90 IS - Photo Page 2 - http://www.pbase.com/savad - NEW --- Mike's Photosig Page - http://www.photosig.com/userphotos.php?id=3D90= 50 --- Mike's Canon Powershot Pro90 IS - Photo Page - http://www.savad.0catc= h.com/ --- Mike's Stained Glass - http:// Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, s= tained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. -----Original Message----- =46rom: montee Owings [mailto:montee504@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:12 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: lead lines Hello, I was looking at different glass work and I was wondering if a= nyone could tell me about how some lead lines are created. It is hard for m= e to describe but after looking thru a book called Window of Vision perhap= s some of you will know what I am asking.How are those lead lines created th= at seem to just end in the middle of a piece of glass? Much of the work I hav= e been looking at was fabricated by Charleen Weidell. Thanks for any insight? Montee _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 07:57:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: teradata-ncr.com!DF125031 From: "Becker, Donna" To: Wayne Munro , Glass Club Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C24530.52A95110" Subject: RE: Dragonfly pattern Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:22:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@teradata> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24530.52A95110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is an awesome one in the Spring 2002 Glass Patterns Quarterly. It's a garden stake, but you could make a suncatcher. It uses wire overlay for the wings. I made a smaller version as a house plant stake and used some irridised highly textured glass scraps for the wings and a blue antique (slightly ripply) scrap for the body and it came out GREAT! The smaller version was a little more difficult that the larger version in the magazine would have been. But I made the body in one piece and wire overlaid the detail (I figured I was doing it on the wings anyway). Anyway, it made a nice gift in a mosaic pot and plant, which also came out great. I don't have a way to send the pattern this week, but let me know if you still need it next week, I could probably send it. Donna Becker Senior Consultant II donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Munro [mailto:wayneglass@telus.net] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:18 AM To: Glass Club Subject: Dragonfly pattern Hi gang, I am looking for a dragonfly pattern as a suncatcher. (freehanging sculpture type (?) Can any one send me a pattern of this? Thank you and have a good day. Wayne ------_=_NextPart_001_01C24530.52A95110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

There is an awesome one in the Spring 2002 Glass Patterns Quarterly. It's a garden stake, but you could make a suncatcher. It uses wire overlay for the wings. I made a smaller version as a house plant stake and used some irridised highly textured glass scraps for the wings and a blue antique (slightly ripply) scrap for the body and it came out GREAT! The smaller version was a little more difficult that the larger version in the magazine would have been. But I made the body in one piece and wire overlaid the detail (I figured I was doing it on the wings anyway). Anyway, it made a nice gift in a mosaic pot and plant, which also came out great. I don't have a way to send the pattern this week, but let me know if you still need it next week, I could probably send it.

Donna Becker
Senior Consultant II
donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Munro [mailto:wayneglass@telus.net]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:18 AM
To: Glass Club
Subject: Dragonfly pattern

Hi gang, I am looking for a dragonfly pattern as a suncatcher. (freehanging sculpture type (?) Can any one send me a pattern of this?

Thank you and have a good day.

Wayne

------_=_NextPart_001_01C24530.52A95110-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 09:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: lead lines Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:06:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk there is a multipage article on this topic in the current issue of glass craftsman. you basically take the piece of lead, trim it to the correct shape, cut the heart out, and epoxy the two faces onto the glass. http://www.glasscraftsman.com/article.aspx?id=507 regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: montee Owings [mailto:montee504@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:12 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: lead lines > > > > > Hello, I was looking at different glass work and I was > wondering if anyone > could tell me about how some lead lines are created. It is > hard for me to > describe but after looking thru a book called Window of > Vision perhaps some > of you will know what I am asking.How are those lead lines > created that seem > to just end in the middle of a piece of glass? Much of the > work I have been > looking at was fabricated by Charleen Weidell. > Thanks for any insight? Montee > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 15:10:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: DF125031@teradata-ncr.com, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dragonfly pattern Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:39:10 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Back issues of Glass Pattern Quarterly are available from their www site for $5 each. www.glasspatterns.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 16 19:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Glass Club Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Dragonfly pattern Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@telus.net>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3112380611_95476_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Or you could buy a set of dragonfly filigree wings (brass cutout) and trace them for your wings. Black on clear baroque iridized looks great. Then make your body from nuggets. Sometimes I add a little ornamentation at the bottom, like some iridized bugle beads with a dob of solder at the end to keep them from falling off. I've sold a lot of them. Suzanne on 8/16/02 9:18 AM, Wayne Munro at wayneglass@telus.net wrote: Hi gang, I am looking for a dragonfly pattern as a suncatcher. (freehanging sculpture type (?) Can any one send me a pattern of this? Thank you and have a good day. Wayne --MS_Mac_OE_3112380611_95476_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Dragonfly pattern Or you could buy a set of dragonfly filigree wings (brass cutout) and trace= them for your wings. Black on clear baroque iridized looks great. Then make= your body from nuggets. Sometimes I add a little ornamentation at the botto= m, like some iridized bugle beads with a dob of solder at the end to keep th= em from falling off. I've sold a lot of them.

Suzanne

on 8/16/02 9:18 AM, Wayne Munro at wayneglass@telus.net wrote:

Hi gang, I am looking for a dragonfly pattern as= a suncatcher. (freehanging sculpture type (?) Can any one send me a p= attern of this?
Thank you and have a good day.
Wayne

--MS_Mac_OE_3112380611_95476_MIME_Part-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 09:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!diamondapplique From: "Diamond Applique" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: To market Handicraft(Applique Lampshade) products Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 21:08:01 +0530 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Dear Sir, Greetings from Diamond Applique Work Shop, Pipli. For your kind information I Mr.Jabar Khan, Proprieror of Diamond Applique Workshop, At/po.Pipli,Dist.Puri(Orissa) used to supply near about 250 items of Applique products to different parts of India(To Exporters). My products are made from 100% cotton cloth , coloured and handstitched. Mainly I deals with the products like Lamp shade, Garden Umbrella,Cushion cover Bed cover, Letter box and Wall hangings of different sizes & designs . Now the items are in best demand and are exporting widely by the exporters to foreign countries. Certainly I came to know about you, so that with great hope I decided to make contact with you for supplying you the items. If you intrested I will send you the photographs of my products or the samples, after getting your openion. You are requested to contact with the number given below and obliged. Awaiting your early kind replay. With deep regards. Mr. Jabar Khan. Diamond Applique Work Shop Ph.06758-40617 / 40777 Fax: 06758-40617 E-mail:diamondapplique@hotmail.com web:www.diamondappliques.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 23:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!sherifra2fat From: sherif raafat To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-588044778-1029651077=:35639" Subject: demand Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk --0-588044778-1029651077=:35639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii dear sir, we are the universal company for glass. we work since 20 years in the glass market. we are one of the biggest companies in the middle east. we import from all the world as china, indonisia, japa....etc. we visited your site and enjoyed by reading your good products. we want to make business with you. we are looking for clear float glass. the sizes and thickness which we want as follow: thickness ...........3, 4, 5, 6 mm size..................160x225 for 3 mm 170x225 for 3 mm 321x200 for 4, 5, 6 mm 321x225 for 4, 5, 6 mm tel. no.: 002024459952 fax no.: 002024458911 my special mobile : 0020124567819 please send me the prices (FOB) as soon as possible. and you have our telephone and our fax. thank you again and i will wait your reply. keep in touch. with our regards sherif raafat --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-588044778-1029651077=:35639 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

dear sir,

we are the universal company for glass. we work since 20 years in the glass market. we are one of the biggest companies in the middle east.
we import from all the world as china, indonisia, japa....etc.

we visited your site and enjoyed by reading your good products. we want to make business with you.

we are looking for clear float glass. the sizes and thickness which we want as follow:

thickness ...........3, 4, 5, 6 mm

size..................160x225 for 3 mm

170x225 for 3 mm

321x200 for 4, 5, 6 mm

321x225 for 4, 5, 6 mm

tel. no.: 002024459952

fax no.: 002024458911

my special mobile : 0020124567819

please send me the prices (FOB) as soon as possible. and you have our telephone and our fax.

thank you again and i will wait your reply. keep in touch.

with our regards

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HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs --0-588044778-1029651077=:35639-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 17 23:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_174.d2fc62b.2a909397_boundary" Subject: Photo on Glass Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:07:19 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_174.d2fc62b.2a909397_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone for my question to insert or blast a wedding picture on glass. I have 2 questions Please bear with me. Thanks A lot of good ideas in this group always. I did call a company called Rayzist. They can do the photo but the guy that does this is out of town for 2 weeks. I know they can do the resist but I think I would like them or someone to blast this on the glass for me. Rayzist could not tell me if they could do the blasting for me. I do sand blasting but not to sure about a photo. Someone suggested to have it done on black flash glass. What do you guys think? Now for the second question!!! My customer that wants this photo done owns a bed and breakfast on a golf course. They are refurbishing the home that was in the family since 1800's This window will be in the dinning area where they will serve the breakfast and on ocassion have evening parties as well. The window is 57" square. The beautiful photo they want is of his mother on her wedding day. that would be in the center (maybe 10x12 or so) and they want lillies as she is carryin a bouquet of them. (the mother is still alive) Now this is where I need the help. The name of the B & B is named after mom. The marque in front has her name in the middle of a green. They also want her name somewhere blasted on this window. I would like to keep the 1800's look Any ideas come to you this is a large window and I am afraid with lillies I don't want it to take on a modernistic look. They only thing I could come up with is a scene maybe with a sun, tree?? I am really stumped guys. it is 2:00 a.m. and I am out of ideas. HELP!! Thanks Bob --part1_174.d2fc62b.2a909397_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone for my question to insert or blast a wedding picture on glass.
I have 2 questions Please bear with me. Thanks

A lot of good ideas in this group always.
I did call a company called Rayzist.
They can do the photo but the guy that does this is out of town for 2 weeks.
I know they can do the resist but I think I would like them or someone to blast this on the glass for me. Rayzist could not tell me if they could do the blasting for me. I do sand blasting but not to sure about a photo. Someone suggested to have it done on black flash glass.
What do you guys think?

Now for the second question!!!
My customer that wants this photo done owns a bed and breakfast on a golf course.
They are refurbishing the home that was in the family since 1800's
This window will be in the dinning area where they will serve the breakfast and on ocassion have evening parties as well.
The window is 57" square. The beautiful photo they want is of his mother on her wedding day.
that would be in the center (maybe 10x12 or so) and they want lillies as she is carryin a bouquet of them. (the mother is still alive)
Now this is where I need the help. The name of the B & B is named after mom. The marque in front has her name in the middle of a green. They also want her name somewhere blasted on this window. I would like to keep the 1800's look
Any ideas come to you this is a large window and I am afraid with lillies I don't want it to take on a modernistic look.
They only thing I could come up with is a scene maybe with a sun, tree??
I am really stumped guys. it is 2:00 a.m. and I am out of ideas. HELP!!

Thanks Bob --part1_174.d2fc62b.2a909397_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 11:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!the1glassman From: S Clayman To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass visions Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@Corpit.com>> Precedence: bulk What is glass visions? Is that the meeting in Nashville? --- Dan Terrill wrote: > So who's going to Glass Visions this year? Any > thoughts on a Bungi > get-together? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti > catapultas habebunt > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 13:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!beadnik From: Joan To: S Clayman , glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass visions Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk http://www.glassvisions.com/ --- S Clayman wrote: > What is glass visions? Is that the meeting in > Nashville? > --- Dan Terrill wrote: > > So who's going to Glass Visions this year? Any > > thoughts on a Bungi > > get-together? > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli > proscripti > > catapultas habebunt > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 18 14:09:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: tznet.com!diacca From: Pat Topp To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: my own answer/zinc? Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:41:11 -0500 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020818153712.00ab4080@mail.tznet.com> Precedence: bulk HI! Boy, my memory is bad. It is Tin not Zinc. You shouldn't enamel on the tin side as it may change the color of your enamel. So I am using Thompson Lead free for window glass in between, with the tin side out and the enamel between two single sheets window glass. I am fusing Carefree Luster Decals on the top layer at the same time. Decals will be on the tin side, and hopefully will not make any difference. Will let you know. Pat DIACCA Topp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 13:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-25DA49AC; boundary="=======5F3B53A5=======" Subject: bungi-grinding bit Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:58:50 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020819125644.00a118b0@pop.west.cox.net> Precedence: bulk --=======5F3B53A5======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-25DA49AC; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm interested in how people keep track of where there grinding bit has been used. When can you tell it's time to move the bit? Seems I loose track of where I've been grinding on the bit and then I'm not sure if I used it all up. Lorley --=======5F3B53A5=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 15:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bungi-grinding bit Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<5.1.0.14.2.20020819125644.00a118b0@pop.west.cox.net>> Precedence: bulk I always start at the lowest spot on the grinder and move up. I try to move up "a thickness" of glass at a time. When I get to the very top then I play around with moving down more or less than a thickness at a time. Sometimes I find spots that are quite usable. When can you tell it's time to move the bit? When nothing's happening and you can't stand it anymore! Suzanne on 8/19/02 3:58 PM, Lorley Oneyear at lorley@cox.net wrote: > I'm interested in how people keep track of where there grinding bit has > been used. When can you tell it's time to move the bit? Seems I loose track > of where I've been grinding on the bit and then I'm not sure if I used it > all up. Lorley > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 17:36:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: rcn.com!shad.nai From: "Family Account" To: "bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bungi-grinding bit Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@rcn.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "suzanne albright" To: "bungi" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: Re: bungi-grinding bit > I always start at the lowest spot on the grinder and move up. I just go the opposite way. Start at the top and move the grinder head down. I try to move > up "a thickness" of glass at a time. When I get to the very top then I play > around with moving down more or less than a thickness at a time. Sometimes I > find spots that are quite usable. > > When can you tell it's time to move the bit? When nothing's happening and > you can't stand it anymore! I seem to reach that point before John does, then he says, "Oh, you were right. This is much better!" > > Suzanne > Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 19 20:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: datasync.com!nts From: "Nancy Saucier" To: "Bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: bungi-glass visions Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@datasync.com> Precedence: bulk I wish I was going to glass visions, but mostly I just want to know - what does " Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti > catapultas habebunt" mean? Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 00:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: tesco.net!kelsa From: "Kelsa" To: "Nancy Saucier" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bungi-glass visions Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:31:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@tesco.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@datasync.com>> Precedence: bulk "When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Saucier" To: "Bungi" Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: bungi-glass visions > I wish I was going to glass visions, but mostly I just want to know - > what does " Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti > > catapultas habebunt" mean? > Nancy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 04:07:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 03:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: vcn.com!birkie From: "Birkie" To: "Lorley Oneyear" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bungi-grinding bit Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:25:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@vcn.com> References: <<5.1.0.14.2.20020819125644.00a118b0@pop.west.cox.net>> Precedence: bulk I also start at the bottom and work my way to the top, going the thickness of the glass. And how do I tell? When I try grinding something and it seems to take forever...though I do like using the well broke in section for some of the cathedral glass because the bit is so well worn that it doesn't as large of chips as it grinds. Vicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 06:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: Corpit.com!dterrill From: Dan Terrill To: Bungi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: bungi-glass visions Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@Corpit.com> Precedence: bulk as Kelsa so sagaciously pointed out, it's "when catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults". I want Kelsa on my team next time I play Jeopardy! > -----Original Message----- > From: Nancy Saucier [mailto:nts@datasync.com] > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:39 PM > To: Bungi > Subject: bungi-glass visions > > > I wish I was going to glass visions, but mostly I just want to know - > what does " Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti > > catapultas habebunt" mean? > Nancy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 06:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: mmam5@doorpi.net To: birkie@vcn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Subject: bungi-grinding bit Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 7:55:03 EST Message-ID: <200208201255.g7KCt8f14607@mail1.netacc.net> Precedence: bulk I usually end up keeping a couple of older ones around - they're great for when you have "crappy" grinding to do and don't want to waste a new head on the project. Plus you always seem to find one spot you missed using! :) Marci On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:25:12 -0600 "Birkie" wrote: I also start at the bottom and work my way to the top, going the thickness of the glass. And how do I tell? When I try grinding something and it seems to take forever...though I do like using the well broke in section for some of the cathedral glass because the bit is so well worn that it doesn't as large of chips as it grinds. Vicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 06:43:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: mmam5@doorpi.net To: kelsa@tesco.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Subject: bungi-glass visions & other shows Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 7:49:39 EST Message-ID: <200208201249.g7KCniR10764@mail2.netacc.net> Precedence: bulk HA ha ha - - cute! I was interested in finding out more about Glass Visions and other stained glass shows and found this website: http://www.thestorefinder.com/glass/glass_events.html Is this pretty much the main list of Glass Events during the year? Or did I miss some that were posted in glass publications thru-out the year? It looks like a great list. Thanks! Marci On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:31:16 +0100 "Kelsa" wrote: > "When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Saucier" > To: "Bungi" > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 3:39 AM > Subject: bungi-glass visions > > > > I wish I was going to glass visions, but mostly I just want to > know - what does " Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt" mean? > > Nancy > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 15:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: suzanne albright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: bungi-grinding bit Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:49:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>> Precedence: bulk If you use your grinder bit until the bound diamond grit is worn away, you will know about it very quickly. The bit begins to shell the glass, and in bad cases, break it. When you examine the bit after such an incident, you will see the bare metal to which the diamonds were bound. (You can tell it happened to me!) Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>, suzanne albright writes >I always start at the lowest spot on the grinder and move up. I try to move >up "a thickness" of glass at a time. When I get to the very top then I play >around with moving down more or less than a thickness at a time. Sometimes I >find spots that are quite usable. > >When can you tell it's time to move the bit? When nothing's happening and >you can't stand it anymore! > >Suzanne > >on 8/19/02 3:58 PM, Lorley Oneyear at lorley@cox.net wrote: > >> I'm interested in how people keep track of where there grinding bit has >> been used. When can you tell it's time to move the bit? Seems I loose track >> of where I've been grinding on the bit and then I'm not sure if I used it >> all up. Lorley >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 20 16:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!marybdaily From: "Mary B" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Bungi-Glassvisions tickets I can't use... Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk I'm so disappointed that I will not be able to attend this year... only missed the first one. I registered a friend and me for two days, months ago - Friday and Saturday - and am out $48 ($12 each person for each day), if I can't sell them on Bungi. Anyone in Bungi-land who is going but hasn't registered yet? Stephanie at W-C said there are NO refunds but I can try to sell them anywhere I want. I would send them overnight to anyone who can help me. If you have questions, please email me at marybinva@ntelos.net. Mary B _________________________________________________________ Wishing you butterfly mornings and wildflower afternoons. Mary B _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 22 07:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!jmowet_12 From: Johnson Mowete To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3a0e2c0f-b5e0-11d6-b09a-00010288ec42" Subject: Immediate Assistance Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:30:30 +0200 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format --3a0e2c0f-b5e0-11d6-b09a-00010288ec42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TEL:+31-615356364 CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me = personally. 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This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe = introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and = some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. = In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which = my father was one of the victims. 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I have = also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses incurred in the = process of this transaction.If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 10% = of the money while the remaining 85% will be for my investment in your = country. Contact me with the above telephone number and through my E-mail = addresse(jmowet12@yahoo.com), while I implore you to maintain the absolute = secrecy required in this transaction. 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Folklore has not been studied as a case of reseach, of course some scattered efforts on the base of personal interests has been cause of gathering cases of folklore in this fiew years; which concerning to its vastness does not seem to be enough.

We are a team interested on introducing our peaples culture to the other nations. We have undertaken field and library research, producing duccumentary filmes, and preparing photographs, slides and reports.

Our folklore efforts contain: legends, fables, proverbs, stories, funs, riddles, songs, prays, swears, various terms of vagrants, greetings, praises, good- bye terms and soon.

This science also contains: public mores concerning to child birth, obsequies, escording a funeral, taking a bath on different occasions and its ceremonies, local dancings, demic theaters, handicrafts, public languege, local musics, public expressions, names and titles of peaple, popular poems including erotic as long as epical poens, children games, and the beliefs about them and public chronometry.

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EDMONDS ADEYEMO" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NEED YOU Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 03:38:55 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk CONFIDENTIAL / PRIVATE DR JAMES ADEYEMO LAGOS - NIGERIA Dear Sir, URGENT ATTENTION BUSINESS TRANSFER OF US$25.5M ( TWENTY FIVE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) I am the New Auditor General to Audit Government Account for this 2002 year budget, during my auditing, I discovered that there was an over invoiced amount of US$25.5 Million, in United States Dollars Equivalent. The above amount is floating after my auditing,since it was an over - invoice amount, this means that the money is from a contract executed by a Foreigner and the real contract sum was paid remaining the floating amount of US$25.5M. Based on this development, I cannot claim this money except with the help of a Foreign Partner, this is my main reasons for contacting you. 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I got your contact from your country's profil abroad and I have put it that the money when transferred to your bank account will be shared as follows: 1. 30% to you for acting as the owner of the money and for providing an accou! nt. 2. 10% set aside for anyexpenses that may be incurred in the course of the transaction (if any). 3. 60% to me as the owner / originator of the transaction All logistics have been put in place and all modalities worked out for the smooth conclusion of the transaction within a very short period of time within (14) Fourteen working days after the receipt of information required like your company's name, telephone and fax number, bank details for wire transfer process. As soon as I receive the above details I shall make the application in your name and file in for claims to the appropriate Ministries concerned in favour of your company. It is pertinent to state here that this transaction is entirely based on trust and I will always put my trust in you. 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Yours faithfully, DR.JAMES ADEYEMO ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 24 05:24:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 05:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: saintly.com!jamess From: "DR.JAMES ADEYEMO" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NEED YOU Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 04:55:54 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk CONFIDENTIAL / PRIVATE DR JAMES ADEYEMO LAGOS - NIGERIA Dear Sir, URGENT ATTENTION BUSINESS TRANSFER OF US$25.5M ( TWENTY FIVE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS ONLY) I am the New Auditor General to Audit Government Account for this 2002 year budget, during my auditing, I discovered that there was an over invoiced amount of US$25.5 Million, in United States Dollars Equivalent. The above amount is floating after my auditing,since it was an over - invoice amount, this means that the money is from a contract executed by a Foreigner and the real contract sum was paid remaining the floating amount of US$25.5M. Based on this development, I cannot claim this money except with the help of a Foreign Partner, this is my main reasons for contacting you. Now , I got your contact from your Country's profile abroad and I reserve your contact for this kind of transaction with trust. What you have to do is to send a reply mail telling me that you are interested in this transaction and trust worthy to handle this transaction for me, because I will put your company's name as the Contractor that executed the contract before and the money will be wired transferred to your bank account, I will then travel to meet you in your country for my own share when this amount is wired to your account. I would have travel out to open an account myself for this transfer, but as a Civil Servant I am not allowed to operate foreign bank account while in services , hence the need for an overseas partner. I got your contact from your country's profil abroad and I have put it that the money when transferred to your bank account will be shared as follows: 1. 30% to you for acting as the owner of the money and for providing an accou! nt. 2. 10% set aside for anyexpenses that may be incurred in the course of the transaction (if any). 3. 60% to me as the owner / originator of the transaction All logistics have been put in place and all modalities worked out for the smooth conclusion of the transaction within a very short period of time within (14) Fourteen working days after the receipt of information required like your company's name, telephone and fax number, bank details for wire transfer process. 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What you should be doing is straightening the calme. A steady strong pull at the two ends of the calme will give it that straightness needed for straight lead lines. Remember to place one foot as far back as necessary so that you do not overbalance if the calme were to slip from the lead vice (or break, but you should not be pulling so hard that the calme will break). Calme comes in various hardnesses, the harder the less give in the length. Also the better kept the fewer bends have to be taken out. This straightening plus the dressing of the flanges adds stiffness to the calme through working it just like other metals. Dressing the flanges is to run an oyster knife or other hard material along the length of the calme, pressing the flange down to the bench top. No sideways pressure should be applied, as it will bend the calme. You need to press all four flanges down by rotating the length and changing the direction of your dressing. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>, "Karen@Stephen Kovacs" writes >Please can someone tell me what I am doing wrong.=A0 I am new at this >stained glass thing and have been doing the copper foil method.=A0 That's >easy.=A0 Now I am attempting to use lead came and can't seem to stretch it. >=A0 I have one end in a vise and am pulling extremely hard on it, but noth= ing.=A0 >What am I doing wrong?=A0=A0 K. K.=A0 --=20 Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 25 10:07:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!stephen5 From: "Karen@Stephen Kovacs" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24C33.3DCA33E0" Subject: Stretching Came Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24C33.3DCA33E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I previously wrote about stretching lead came. Well, we have done = everything, but many horses couldn't stretch what I have. I really = don't think it is lead as it won't budge. I will go back to where I = purchased it and find out what I do have. Thanks for the many = suggestions, I tried them all. K.K. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C24C33.3DCA33E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: epatra.com!tony_chidi From: "DR.ANTHONY CHUKWUDI" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: business proposal Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1980 11:22:53 -0800 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk DR=2EANTHONY CHUKWUDI UNION TRUST BANK PLC UNION TRUST TOWER BUILDING=2C 135 Ademola Williams Crescent=2C Victoria Island=2C Lagos=2E TELE=2FFAX=3A 234 1 2665018 ATTN=3APRESIDENT PROPOSAL FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP=3A I know this message will come to you as a surprise since we do not know each other before=2C but for purpose of introduction=2C I am DR=2EANTHONY CHUKWUDI=2C the bank manager =28Operations=29 of UNION TRUST BANK PLC =28UTB PLC=29=2E There is an account opened in this bank in 1980=2E After going through some old files in the records=2C I discovered that nobody has operated on this account since 1990=2E >From our records=2C the owner of this account is Mr=2E Smith B=2E Andr=E9as {a foreigner=2C a miner at Kruger Gold=2E Co=2E=2C and a geologist by profession}=2E After several notifications as a routine to the address of this distinguished customer of ours=2C his employees told our management that Mr=2E Smith B=2E Andr=E9as died when a Kenyan Airways crashed along the coast of West Africa in 1990=2E My investigation proved to me that no other person knows about this account or any thing concerning it=2C the company does not know any thing about this account and as well the account has no other beneficiary=2E This account presently accommodates the amount involving US 27=2E3M =28Twenty Seven Million Three Hundred thousand United State Dollars=29=2E With due respect trust and humanity=2C I am contacting you because of the need to involve a reliable foreign beneficiary with foreign account who will coordinate this motive=2E I want you to assist me claim this fund into your account=2E In the recent meeting held by the Board of Directors in our bank=2C it was deliberated on the issue of unclaimed funds lying in our bank=2C and therefore decided to adjourn the motion until 20th June 2002=2C as contained in the article 13 =28b=29 sub-section =28iv=29 of the minutes of the BOD=92s meeting=2E I need your full co-operation to make this object successful because the management is ready to approve this payment to any foreigner who has correct information of this account=2C which I will give to you immediately if you are capable and willing to handle such amount in strike confidence and trust according to my instructions and advise for our mutual benefit because this is a life time opportunity I do not want to miss=2E I need a truthful person in this business because I do not want to make a mistake=2C besides I need your strong assurance=2C trust and sincerity=2E I have to assure you that with my position now in the office I can transfer this money to any reliable foreign account which you can provide with full assurance that this money will be safe and well guided pending my physical arrival in your country for sharing=2E I will destroy all document of transaction in my office immediately we receive this money leaving no trace to any place=2E I will use my position and influence to effect legal approvals and onward transfer of this money to your account with appropriate clearance forms of the ministries and foreign exchange departments=2E You can also come to Nigeria to discuss with me face to face after which I will make the remittance in your presence and two of us will fly to your country for withdrawal=2C sharing and other investment plans=2E Please reply urgently so that I will inform you the next step to take towards realizing this fund immediately=2E Send also your private telephone and fax numbers=2C Bank Account details =28Name of Bank=2C Address=2C A=2FC Name etc=2E=29=2E I want us to meet face to face or to sign a binding agreement to ensure that we can receive this money into a foreign account or any account of your choice=2E At the conclusion of this business you will be given 25% of the total amount=2C 70% will be for me while 5% will be set aside for any expenses both party might incur during the process of this transaction=2E I look forward to your earliest reply through my email=2C Private Fax or telephone number=2E Yours Truly DR=2E DR=2EANTHONY CHUKWUDI Manager =28Operations=29 E-mail=3A tony=5Fchidi=40epatra=2Ecom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 11:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; 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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 27 12:37:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: "Karen@Stephen Kovacs" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Stretching Came Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:08:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk Could be zinc? In message <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>, "Karen@Stephen Kovacs"=20 writes >I previously wrote about stretching lead came.=A0=A0 Well, we have done >everything, but many horses couldn't stretch what I have.=A0 I really don't >think it is lead as it won't budge.=A0=A0 I will go back to where I purcha= sed it >and find out what I do have.=A0=A0 Thanks for the many suggestions, I tried >them all.=A0 K.K. --=20 Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 15:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: "Marci" To: "Lori J. Mitchell" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bungi-glass visions & other shows Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@doorpi.net> References: <<200208282110.g7SLACw223752@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>> Precedence: bulk Road trip to Germany anyone?!!? What fun that would be! Marci Martin Designs www.mmartindesigns.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori J. Mitchell" To: "Marci" Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: re: bungi-glass visions & other shows > Dear Bungies > > The next open house that I am aware of is in New Jersey at Rainbow Art Glass, > 1761 Route 34 South, Wall Township, Farmingdale 07727, their phone is (732) > 681-6003. The open house is this weekend! Then after that at the end of > October there is the largest glass show in the world, it's called Glass Tec and > it is in Germany. > > > Thank you, > > Lori Mitchell > Chief Executive Officer > Glastar Corporation > www.glastar.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 28 16:48:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: pixius.com!postmaster From: "" To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BC2B74.89D1CCC0" Subject: Message scanned for Virus.Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! 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I don't know where to begin making up a price. Is there any kind of standard price per square foot or how do you figure out a fair price? Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 08:59:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: mmam5@doorpi.net To: GR82SK8408@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:33:43 EST Message-ID: <200208291533.g7TFXmV13571@mail1.netacc.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Kathy, There are many different ways to work up your cost for doing projects. The glass shop in my area charges about $150 sq/ft. +/- for detail, size, etc. I found this website that has a formula for figuring price. . . Depending on the project - it's what I use. http://www.glendalemall.com/pricing.htm I do find myself giving friends a bit better deal though. Marci Martin Designs www.mmartindesigns.com On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:06:03 EDT GR82SK8408@aol.com wrote: > I've been asked by 2 neighbors to make windows for them. I don't > know where > to begin making up a price. Is there any kind of standard price > per square > foot or how do you figure out a fair price? > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 14:42:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!stephen5 From: "Karen@Stephen Kovacs" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24F6D.A0AB36C0" Subject: GLUE Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:06:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24F6D.A0AB36C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone recommend a glue to adhere glass to glass. I am putting = glass nuggets onto a glass window project. What is the best one to use = for outside. I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard = on projects. Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24F6D.A0AB36C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can someone recommend a glue to adhere = glass to=20 glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window=20 project. What is the best one to use for outside. I = live in=20 Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on = projects.

Thanks so much, Karen=20 Kovacs

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C24F6D.A0AB36C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 15:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: GR82SK8408@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Kathy: Pricing your work can be a problem. If the window is small I may quote a price of $95 per sq/ft. If the window is large I quote at least $125 plus any bevels or framing required in addition. Actually, you will want to think about how long is it likely to take, are the pieces small or large, what is an acceptable rate per hour for your time. Not sure this helps but I once had a sg person tell me when I ask the question and her reply was..."all you can get." Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 19:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hot.rr.com!pkelly From: "Patrick Kelly" To: "'Karen@Stephen Kovacs'" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24FA3.70053C10" Subject: RE: GLUE Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:31:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hot.rr.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24FA3.70053C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You could try UH-6800. It comes in a gray tube with the E6800 written vertically in white letters on a black background. Call 1 800 767-4667 for technical information. Its manufactured by Eclectic Products Inc. I have used E6000, Industrial Strength, for indoor use and it works great and dries clear. Good Luck Patrick Roses and Rainbows -----Original Message----- From: Karen@Stephen Kovacs [mailto:stephen5@sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:06 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: GLUE Can someone recommend a glue to adhere glass to glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window project. What is the best one to use for outside. I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on projects. Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24FA3.70053C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

You=20 could try UH-6800. It comes in a gray tube with the E6800 written = vertically in=20 white letters on a black background. Call 1 800 767-4667 for = technical=20 information. Its manufactured by Eclectic Products Inc. I have used = E6000,=20 Industrial Strength, for indoor use and it works great and dries=20 clear.

Good=20 Luck

Patrick

Roses=20 and Rainbows

-----Original Message-----
From: = Karen@Stephen=20 Kovacs [mailto:stephen5@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, = August 29,=20 2002 2:06 PM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject:=20 GLUE

Can someone recommend a glue to = adhere glass to=20 glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window=20 project. What is the best one to use for outside. I = live in=20 Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on = projects.

Thanks so much, Karen=20 Kovacs

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C24FA3.70053C10-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 20:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Roxie1824 From: Roxie1824@aol.com To: GR82SK8408@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_109.17d3da1b.2aa01867_boundary" Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:37:59 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_109.17d3da1b.2aa01867_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be very interested in the replies to this question. Please "reply to all" when answering. Thanks --part1_109.17d3da1b.2aa01867_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be very interested in the replies to this question. Please "reply to all" when answering.

Thanks --part1_109.17d3da1b.2aa01867_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 20:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Tatt2LizID From: Tatt2LizID@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.2d028629.2aa0175e_boundary" Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:33:34 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_26.2d028629.2aa0175e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/02 3:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, edupjohn@slonet.org writes: > . Not sure this > helps but I once had a sg person tell me when I ask the question and her > reply was..."all you can get." Peggy > thats terrible. I know we craftspeople have to make a living but it just irks me NO END...when someone who is selling everything is trying to soak me for every dime I can get. this can backfire because I have walked away from people I knew were overcharging me. or people who have something in high demand so they will take advantage of it. I mean you want a fair price for your materials and work and all but to just soak someone? --part1_26.2d028629.2aa0175e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/02 3:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, edupjohn@slonet.org writes:

. Not sure this
helps but I once had a sg person tell me when I ask the question and her
reply was..."all you can get." Peggy

thats terrible. I know we craftspeople have to make a living but it just irks me NO END...when someone who is selling everything is trying to soak me for every dime I can get. this can backfire because I have walked away from people I knew were overcharging me. or people who have something in high demand so they will take advantage of it. I mean you want a fair price for your materials and work and all but to just soak someone?

--part1_26.2d028629.2aa0175e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 20:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: erols.com!harperr From: Bob Harper To: "Karen@Stephen Kovacs" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: GLUE Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@erols.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk --------------802FA2C5F99D64936F4B093F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen, I've been using E6000 industrial strength craft adhesive for projects with glass and nuggets. Package says it's waterproof but not sure if that means "weatherproof." Get it at WalMart here but should also be available at your craft or hardware store. v/r bob h. "Karen@Stephen Kovacs" wrote: > Can someone recommend a glue to adhere glass to glass. I > am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window project. > What is the best one to use for outside. I live in Canada > and the winters can be horrendously hard on > projects. Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs --------------802FA2C5F99D64936F4B093F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen,

I've been using E6000 industrial strength craft adhesive for projects with glass and nuggets. Package says it's waterproof but not sure if that means "weatherproof." Get it at WalMart here but should also be available at your craft or hardware store.

v/r bob h.

"Karen@Stephen Kovacs" wrote:

Can someone recommend a glue to adhere glass to glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window project. What is the best one to use for outside. I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on projects. Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs

--------------802FA2C5F99D64936F4B093F-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 22:39:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: glasscutter@earthlink.net To: Tatt2LizID@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:36:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@earthlink.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk For Tatt2LizId.. I for one, will agree with the sentiment of "all you can get".. but for reasons that you may not consider. If you are doing "production" work.. meaning exactly the same design(s), the exact same sizes, using exactly the same glass.. then possibly you could be expected to be able to give accurate and "fair trade" pricing for your work. I know of a couple of shops.. that do basically diamond windows.. and they work in the range of $35 - $ 50 a square foot.. it's production work.. same pattern, all leaded.. a few flints.. nothing spectacular.. all done with either DS float glass, or occasionally with Spectrum clear. They get a lot of work.. because they are working at such a low price point.. and that's what they want to do.. crank out just as much of that work as possible.. they use largely unskilled workers, and it's a piece work sort of situation. But "glass art".. it's not. Decorative glazing.. maybe. Anyone who wants a special, custom designed window, using design elements of their choice, and colors to suit their environment and taste.. needs to know that they're not getting a production piece, and it is inappropriate to make any comparisons on price alone. To begin, they are getting a one of a kind design, expressly designed for them. That's where may glass artists seem to drop the ball. The design fee alone.. can (and often should) be considerable and should be considered as separate from the actual window. How many others here have worked up a scaled color design.. for a prospective customer.. and left it with them for them to "think about".. only to discover months later, that they had the same design "fabricated" by somebody else? It's happened to me three times.. and will not happen a fourth. As far as I'm concerned, it takes money up front to get a scaled rendering, and for that money, they've bought the design. If they commission the window.. that up front cost can be negotiated in the final price on the window. As to fabrication and construction.. it's not just leading, foiling, and soldering. Hardly. There are all sorts of selective judgments that go into the final piece. It's not even what particular glass goes where.. but what *part* of that particular piece of glass, goes where in the final design. The artistic eye, has a great deal to do with those sorts of decisions. Finally.. if all you want to do is "piece work".. that's fine with me.. there are all sorts of formulas for figuring out a price by the piece. But if that's where you're at.. you're not really in "business". As a business person, you have a reasonable expectation to make a profit, that is above and beyond your costs of materials and your labor. 40% is not atypical in many business ventures unrelated to glass. Out of that "gross profit" comes all sorts of hidden costs of doing business, your insurance coverage, your vehicle expenses, your rent, utilities.. and dozens of other hidden costs. You'll be darned lucky to come away with 10% "net" profit. So, if you think that asking $150 or more a square foot is gouging or "soaking" somebody.. ANYBODY.. I'll have to suggest that you may need to revisit the idea of whether you are in the business of doing glass art.. or whether you're just a non-professional looking to cover the costs of your ersatz hobby. Whatever you may decide.. will be just fine with me. You see.. I believe in paying for unique artwork.. and I don't mind paying a good bit more for custom or one-of-a-kind sorts of works. I understand what's involved, and believe in supporting other artists in their quest to continue in their own business ventures. Enough of this soap box.. Peace -Gerry Phibbs ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 29 23:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C24FCD.BB6BF660" Subject: re:pricing stained glass Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:34:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C24FCD.BB6BF660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bravo Gerry! Very well put. There are those of us who work only with patterns = someone else has designed, those of us who takes parts of patterns = someone else has designed and come up with new patterns, and those of us = who design our own patterns. Prices should also reflect each of these = instances as well. It is time more people understood just how many facets there are to this = art from choosing a pattern to the last step in installation. Actually, = when you think of all these steps, it is a wonder so many of us do = it--it must be love for the art. Again, thanks Gerry! Moya ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C24FCD.BB6BF660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bravo Gerry!

Very well put. There are those of us who = work only=20 with patterns someone else has designed, those of us who takes parts of = patterns=20 someone else has designed and come up with new patterns, and those of us = who=20 design our own patterns. Prices should also reflect each of these=20 instances as well.

It is time more people understood just how many = facets=20 there are to this art from choosing a pattern to the last step in=20 installation. Actually, when you think of all these steps, it is a = wonder=20 so many of us do it--it must be love for the art.

Again, thanks Gerry!

Moya

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C24FCD.BB6BF660-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 06:25:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: mmam5@doorpi.net To: glasscutter@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 8:05:27 EST Message-ID: <200208301305.g7UD5W720320@mail2.netacc.net> Precedence: bulk Thanks Gerry! That really sums it up for me. . . Marci On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:36:27 +0000 glasscutter@earthlink.net wrote: For Tatt2LizId.. I for one, will agree with the sentiment of "all you can get".. but for reasons that you may not consider. If you are doing "production" work.. meaning exactly the same design(s), the exact same sizes, using exactly the same glass.. then possibly you could be expected to be able to give accurate and "fair trade" pricing for your work. I know of a couple of shops.. that do basically diamond windows.. and they work in the range of $35 - $ 50 a square foot.. it's production work.. same pattern, all leaded.. a few flints.. nothing spectacular.. all done with either DS float glass, or occasionally with Spectrum clear. They get a lot of work.. because they are working at such a low price point.. and that's what they want to do.. crank out just as much of that work as possible.. they use largely unskilled workers, and it's a piece work sort of situation. But "glass art".. it's not. Decorative glazing.. maybe. Anyone who wants a special, custom designed window, using design elements of their choice, and colors to suit their environment and taste.. needs to know that they're not getting a production piece, and it is inappropriate to make any comparisons on price alone. To begin, they are getting a one of a kind design, expressly designed for them. That's where may glass artists seem to drop the ball. The design fee alone.. can (and often should) be considerable and should be considered as separate from the actual window. How many others here have worked up a scaled color design.. for a prospective customer.. and left it with them for them to "think about".. only to discover months later, that they had the same design "fabricated" by somebody else? It's happened to me three times.. and will not happen a fourth. As far as I'm concerned, it takes money up front to get a scaled rendering, and for that money, they've bought the design. If they commission the window.. that up front cost can be negotiated in the final price on the window. As to fabrication and construction.. it's not just leading, foiling, and soldering. Hardly. There are all sorts of selective judgments that go into the final piece. It's not even what particular glass goes where.. but what *part* of that particular piece of glass, goes where in the final design. The artistic eye, has a great deal to do with those sorts of decisions. Finally.. if all you want to do is "piece work".. that's fine with me.. there are all sorts of formulas for figuring out a price by the piece. But if that's where you're at.. you're not really in "business". As a business person, you have a reasonable expectation to make a profit, that is above and beyond your costs of materials and your labor. 40% is not atypical in many business ventures unrelated to glass. Out of that "gross profit" comes all sorts of hidden costs of doing business, your insurance coverage, your vehicle expenses, your rent, utilities.. and dozens of other hidden costs. You'll be darned lucky to come away with 10% "net" profit. So, if you think that asking $150 or more a square foot is gouging or "soaking" somebody.. ANYBODY.. I'll have to suggest that you may need to revisit the idea of whether you are in the business of doing glass art.. or whether you're just a non-professional looking to cover the costs of your ersatz hobby. Whatever you may decide.. will be just fine with me. You see.. I believe in paying for unique artwork.. and I don't mind paying a good bit more for custom or one-of-a-kind sorts of works. I understand what's involved, and believe in supporting other artists in their quest to continue in their own business ventures. Enough of this soap box.. Peace -Gerry Phibbs> ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 07:29:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: mindspring.com!sonyaamt From: To: glasscutter@earthlink.net Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:04:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk Bravo! Someday I hope to make that jump from being a hobbyist to an artist who sells art glass. I have been discouraged over the years by the chatter about pricing. The way people price their artwork makes it impossible to ever make a living at it, unless you are willing to make $10 an hour. Thank you for your "professional" view! Sonya Atlanta, Georgia On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:36:27 +0000 glasscutter@earthlink.net wrote: For Tatt2LizId.. I for one, will agree with the sentiment of "all you can get".. but for reasons that you may not consider. If you are doing "production" work.. meaning exactly the same design(s), the exact same sizes, using exactly the same glass.. then possibly you could be expected to be able to give accurate and "fair trade" pricing for your work. I know of a couple of shops.. that do basically diamond windows.. and they work in the range of $35 - $ 50 a square foot.. it's production work.. same pattern, all leaded.. a few flints.. nothing spectacular.. all done with either DS float glass, or occasionally with Spectrum clear. They get a lot of work.. because they are working at such a low price point.. and that's what they want to do.. crank out just as much of that work as possible.. they use largely unskilled workers, and it's a piece work sort of situation. But "glass art".. it's not. Decorative glazing.. maybe. Anyone who wants a special, custom designed window, using design elements of their choice, and colors to suit their environment and taste.. needs to know that they're not getting a production piece, and it is inappropriate to make any comparisons on price alone. To begin, they are getting a one of a kind design, expressly designed for them. That's where may glass artists seem to drop the ball. The design fee alone.. can (and often should) be considerable and should be considered as separate from the actual window. How many others here have worked up a scaled color design.. for a prospective customer.. and left it with them for them to "think about".. only to discover months later, that they had the same design "fabricated" by somebody else? It's happened to me three times.. and will not happen a fourth. As far as I'm concerned, it takes money up front to get a scaled rendering, and for that money, they've bought the design. If they commission the window.. that up front cost can be negotiated in the final price on the window. As to fabrication and construction.. it's not just leading, foiling, and soldering. Hardly. There are all sorts of selective judgments that go into the final piece. It's not even what particular glass goes where.. but what *part* of that particular piece of glass, goes where in the final design. The artistic eye, has a great deal to do with those sorts of decisions. Finally.. if all you want to do is "piece work".. that's fine with me.. there are all sorts of formulas for figuring out a price by the piece. But if that's where you're at.. you're not really in "business". As a business person, you have a reasonable expectation to make a profit, that is above and beyond your costs of materials and your labor. 40% is not atypical in many business ventures unrelated to glass. Out of that "gross profit" comes all sorts of hidden costs of doing business, your insurance coverage, your vehicle expenses, your rent, utilities.. and dozens of other hidden costs. You'll be darned lucky to come away with 10% "net" profit. So, if you think that asking $150 or more a square foot is gouging or "soaking" somebody.. ANYBODY.. I'll have to suggest that you may need to revisit the idea of whether you are in the business of doing glass art.. or whether you're just a non-professional looking to cover the costs of your ersatz hobby. Whatever you may decide.. will be just fine with me. You see.. I believe in paying for unique artwork.. and I don't mind paying a good bit more for custom or one-of-a-kind sorts of works. I understand what's involved, and believe in supporting other artists in their quest to continue in their own business ventures. Enough of this soap box.. Peace -Gerry Phibbs ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 07:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:49:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@gdi.net> Organization: Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. Precedence: bulk 2nd Request Please remove me from the list. Thank you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 08:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergy glass" To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: pricing stained glass work Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@island.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@earthlink.net>> Precedence: bulk as I'm concerned, it takes money up front to get a scaled rendering, > and for that money, they've bought the design. If they commission the > window.. that up front cost can be negotiated in the final price on the window. > As to fabrication and construction.. it's not just leading, foiling, > and soldering. Hardly. There are all sorts of selective judgments that > go into the final piece. It's not even what particular glass goes > where.. but what *part* of that particular piece of glass, goes where in > the final design. The artistic eye, has a great deal to do with those > sorts of decisions. I go one step farther and have a signed commission agreement that states client has seen examples of my work, likes it, has approval over the design prior to fabrication. Minor changes to the design are at no additional charge, while radical changes in concept will require hourly design fees. In this way, the client is agreeing to have me fabricate the window I have designed (avoids losing the job to another studio), and still has input to the design, yet I am also compensated for the research I do prior to design, as well as the design itself. It also also covers full payment of the work before it leaves the studio if being installed by glaziers, or at time of installation if I do the install. Solves those occasional nasty non-payment issues. Everyone knows the deal up front and the client has signed that they agree. Carol Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 15:16:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!gruntfish From: gruntfish@attbi.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: <20020830214741.YIYZ19514.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any suggestions for grinding and not occasionally slicing your thumb? I am using Kevlar gloves now with a rubberized grip, but the are a bit cumbersome, and if there is something better out there, I would sure like to try it. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 16:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:19:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk someone makes (glastar?) a small tongs that can be used. some people use those rubber thumbs you can buy at office supply stores. i run a piece of glass around the edges of the piece i'm grinding to dull them, and i don't press so hard. let the grinder do the work. if you have press hard, the bit may be dull. move it up or down to expose a fresh surface and it'll grind better. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: gruntfish@attbi.com [mailto:gruntfish@attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:48 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for grinding and > not occasionally slicing your thumb? I am using Kevlar > gloves now with a rubberized grip, but the are a bit > cumbersome, and if there is something better out there, > I would sure like to try it. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 18:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: "Marci" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:03:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@doorpi.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk I have one of those grinding stones that Glass teachers talk new "students" into buying before they know they want to get into doing glass. I mainly use it for that purpose of getting the sharper edges off before grinding. Marci Martin Designs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: RE: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... > someone makes (glastar?) a small tongs that can be used. some people use > those rubber thumbs you can buy at office supply stores. > > i run a piece of glass around the edges of the piece i'm grinding to dull > them, and i don't press so hard. let the grinder do the work. if you have > press hard, the bit may be dull. move it up or down to expose a fresh > surface and it'll grind better. > > regards, > charlie > cave creek, az > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: gruntfish@attbi.com [mailto:gruntfish@attbi.com] > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:48 PM > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for grinding and > > not occasionally slicing your thumb? I am using Kevlar > > gloves now with a rubberized grip, but the are a bit > > cumbersome, and if there is something better out there, > > I would sure like to try it. Thanks! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 18:31:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: Charlie.Spitzer@stratus.com., glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:43:51 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk I have had good luck with rubber finger tips. the kind you get at office supply stores, for sorting paper or counting money. One thing you can't have large fingers, they stretch but not too much. They come in several sizes ,in a box of 12 or so. good luck Karlene from wisc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 19:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ptdprolog.net!suzi1025 From: suzanne albright To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: GLUE Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca>> Precedence: bulk > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3113591057_130091_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit At Warner Crivellaro last weekend they were selling "Weldbond" and the sample they had was nuggets glued onto a clear piece of glass. It looked good and you couldn't move the nuggets. Suzanne on 8/29/02 3:06 PM, Karen@Stephen Kovacs at stephen5@sympatico.ca wrote: Can someone recommend a glue to adhere glass to glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window project. What is the best one to use for outside. I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on projects. Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs --MS_Mac_OE_3113591057_130091_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: GLUE At Warner Crivellaro last weekend they were selling "Weldbond" an= d the sample they had was nuggets glued onto a clear piece of glass. It look= ed good and you couldn't move the nuggets.

Suzanne

on 8/29/02 3:06 PM, Karen@Stephen Kovacs at stephen5@sympatico.ca wrote:

Can someone recommend a glue = to adhere glass to glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glas= s window project. What is the best one to use for outside. = ;I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on projects.

Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs

--MS_Mac_OE_3113591057_130091_MIME_Part-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 20:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: datasync.com!nts From: "Nancy Saucier" To: "Bungi" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Slicing and dicing Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@datasync.com> Precedence: bulk I've tried the rubber tips and find them uncomfortable and awkward. There is this stuff you can buy, can't remember what it's called - comes in a roll, like tape and is found in the area of a store where you find bandaids and other bandaging materials. It's a crinkly material that sticks to itself without any actual adhesive. You can wrap your glass-pushing fingers in that and it protects them and stays on pretty well. I really prefer to work bare-fingered, though and so usually have lots of little cuts. If it gets too bad, I know its time for a new bit. When I'm using a new bit, I seldom get cut at all. One of life's little pleasures - a brand new grinder bit!!! Nancy Saucier BeauSoleil Picayune Mississippi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 20:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!ron.amero From: "Ron Amero" To: "Bungi Glass" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: GLUE Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:26:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@ptdprolog.net>> Precedence: bulk Be careful. Weldbond is a water based glue that will turn milky when exposed to water even after cured. Whether this weakens the glue to the point that things fall off, who knows. It seems to work well for inside but I have not seen any long term results in the real world, especially with UV. I have used clear liquid two part epoxy for glass to glass bonds. There are other glues that will serve you better than Weldbond for outside pieces, I am sure. Ron -----Original Message----- From: suzanne albright [mailto:suzi1025@ptdprolog.net] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:24 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: GLUE > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3113591057_130091_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit At Warner Crivellaro last weekend they were selling "Weldbond" and the sample they had was nuggets glued onto a clear piece of glass. It looked good and you couldn't move the nuggets. Suzanne on 8/29/02 3:06 PM, Karen@Stephen Kovacs at stephen5@sympatico.ca wrote: Can someone recommend a glue to adhere glass to glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glass window project. What is the best one to use for outside. I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on projects. Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs --MS_Mac_OE_3113591057_130091_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: GLUE At Warner Crivellaro last weekend they were selling "Weldbond" an= d the sample they had was nuggets glued onto a clear piece of glass. It look= ed good and you couldn't move the nuggets.

Suzanne

on 8/29/02 3:06 PM, Karen@Stephen Kovacs at stephen5@sympatico.ca wrote:

Can someone recommend a glue = to adhere glass to glass. I am putting glass nuggets onto a glas= s window project. What is the best one to use for outside. = ;I live in Canada and the winters can be horrendously hard on projects.

Thanks so much, Karen Kovacs

--MS_Mac_OE_3113591057_130091_MIME_Part-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 30 21:12:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 20:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!dancer1476 From: "Dancer" To: , Subject: Re: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 23:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> References: <<20020830214741.YIYZ19514.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55>> Precedence: bulk The best that I've used is called Alligator Skin sold by Rio Grande (1.800.545.6566). It's like a gauze type of tape that sticks to itself and takes the shape of your fingers when you wrap it. Glass doesn't cut through it at all. They also have 3M Self-Adhering Wrap now - same stuff just wider. http://www.riogrande.com Anything In Stained Glass (1.800.752.3566) calls it finger tape http://www.anythinginstainedglass.com I wrap it around my thumbs and 2 fingers. It doesn't get caught between the glass and the grinder table which is what happened to me when I used gloves or those thumb/finger things. If you want the item numbers and prices let me know. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: gruntfish@attbi.com To: glass@bungi.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Does anyone have any suggestions for grinding and not occasionally slicing your thumb? I am using Kevlar gloves now with a rubberized grip, but the are a bit cumbersome, and if there is something better out there, I would sure like to try it. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 31 06:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: vcn.com!birkie From: "Birkie" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:28:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@vcn.com> References: <<20020830214741.YIYZ19514.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55>> Precedence: bulk I have actually seen vet wrap or vet tape used in the local studio. It adheres to itself and provides a little buffer between the thumb and the glass, and water doesn't affect it much. We buy it from the local vet and it comes in all kinds of neat colors (pink, purple, blue). Vicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 31 07:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 06:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Roxie1824 From: Roxie1824@aol.com To: ron.amero@sympatico.ca, glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.213d5fe6.2aa22240_boundary" Subject: Re: GLUE Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:44:32 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_f5.213d5fe6.2aa22240_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used two different adhesives. One is Liquid Nails. It comes in a clear form - and is waterproof. The other is a product called Plumbers GOOP. It is also clear - and waterproof. I am using the GOOP product to do a mosaic birdbath (gluing glass to cement). They are available at the hardware or home improvement store. Both have strong fumes - so you have to use them in a well ventilated area. They form a very strong bond - and set up quite quickly. Loretta --part1_f5.213d5fe6.2aa22240_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used two different adhesives. One is Liquid Nails. It comes in a clear form - and is waterproof. The other is a product called Plumbers GOOP. It is also clear - and waterproof. I am using the GOOP product to do a mosaic birdbath (gluing glass to cement). They are available at the hardware or home improvement store.

Both have strong fumes - so you have to use them in a well ventilated area. They form a very strong bond - and set up quite quickly.

Loretta --part1_f5.213d5fe6.2aa22240_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 31 07:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: attbi.com!gruntfish From: "Joe Morris" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:09:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@attbi.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk I haven't ever gotten cut before this last week. I am working with some pretty old glass. It's thicker than what I usually use, and it has a wierd profile when cut. It didn't cut me much, just sort of chewed a bit at the surface layers of skin. I play guitar and any cuts make me nervous. Thanks to all who replied! I think I will try the wrap idea, as I have fingers that look like "Jimmy Dean" sausages. =) -----Original Message----- From: Spitzer, Charlie [mailto:Charlie.Spitzer@stratus.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:19 PM To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: RE: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... someone makes (glastar?) a small tongs that can be used. some people use those rubber thumbs you can buy at office supply stores. i run a piece of glass around the edges of the piece i'm grinding to dull them, and i don't press so hard. let the grinder do the work. if you have press hard, the bit may be dull. move it up or down to expose a fresh surface and it'll grind better. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: gruntfish@attbi.com [mailto:gruntfish@attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:48 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for grinding and > not occasionally slicing your thumb? I am using Kevlar > gloves now with a rubberized grip, but the are a bit > cumbersome, and if there is something better out there, > I would sure like to try it. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 31 21:39:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: gruntfish@attbi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Safely Grinding Glass, or slicing and dicing your thumbs... Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<20020830214741.YIYZ19514.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc55>> Precedence: bulk At office supply stores there are rubber fingertip guards in small, medium, and large sizes you can get to fit over your fingers. I usually use one to fit over my index finger to keep from grinding my fingernail. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass