From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 06:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk!john From: "john & kay" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lighting panels Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Can anyone out there help?. I am making some small panels in inches 4'x 4' 6'x6' and 8'x8'. I have some deep frames and wonder in any knows how I could insert back lighting. Hope this makes sence. By the way is their an index of the Archives? Good wishes from Watford UK John Horsfield ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 08:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3AB33B26; boundary="=======165C1D5=======" Subject: lamp repair Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020701082028.00a49960@pop.west.cox.net> Precedence: bulk --=======165C1D5======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3AB33B26; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have been asked about repairing a stained glass lamp. I have done very few repairs and am somewhat hesitant to take this on. I have been told it's an eight sided lamp with just a couple of pieces broken on one of the panels. Do I remove the one side and then repair the pieces and then reassemble the lamp? It seems like a lot of work to me. Any ideas? Lorley/in Phoenix --=======165C1D5=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 1 10:16:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!TheWrightLight From: TheWrightLight@aol.com To: jdahlin@pro-ns.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.102d6a14.2a51e44c_boundary" Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:58:52 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_15a.102d6a14.2a51e44c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding stepping stones. I have made a few and also teach a class on making them. Mine have never crumbled using both cement,when I first started and diamondcrete. The problem I have had is the glass has cracked in almost all of the stones. Its not real noticable except to me.. I live in Michigan and put the stones in the garage over the winter. My husband and I are going to glass visions. It will be our 4th year. Maggie --part1_15a.102d6a14.2a51e44c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding stepping stones.  I have made a few and also teach a class on making them.  Mine have never crumbled using both cement,when I first started and diamondcrete.  The problem I have had is the glass has cracked in almost all of the stones. Its not real noticable except to me.. I live in Michigan and put the stones in the garage over the winter.

My husband and I are going to glass visions.  It will be our 4th year.

Maggie --part1_15a.102d6a14.2a51e44c_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 12:02:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: rcn.com!shad.nai From: "Family Account" To: "Bungi Glass Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:46:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@rcn.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@pro>> Precedence: bulk We've had luck using RapidSet, which we buy from a conrete dealer. We've had stones out several years in Connecticut winters, which have a lot of freezing and thawing. John and I will be at Glass Visions on Saturday. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Dahlin" To: "Bungi Glass Group" Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:52 PM Subject: Concrete stepping stones > Hi Suzanne: > > I just saw your message this evening. We got a new computer a couple of > weeks ago and now both computers get e-mal messages depending upon which > one of us checks messages. Joe got this one. > > I had some back luck with my stepping stones this year. I left them > outside over winter and we had an EXTREMELY mild winter for Minnesota. > All of the glass came off two of the stones. Of course I can redo them, > but it was disappointing to say the least. I had not used a sealant, > as I had been told you should use one. There are lots of theories going > around. The very first stone that I had done (in a class) lost one > piece of glass. I intent to try to glue that one back down one of these > days. > > I realize Minnesota is not the same as Oklahoma, but I don't think I > will leave my stones outside and exposed to the elments here again. > Toward the end of the time that I was doing the stepping stones (it has > been a couple of years) I tried using the cement with the fiberglass > fibers in it. Those stones did not have any problems. > > By the way, Suzanne, are you going to Glass Visions this year? > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 12:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:56:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: john & kay Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lighting panels Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk John: Get the bright sticks or install fluorescent lighting around the back of the frame and enclose it. Allow room to hang it up by a wall outlet so you can plug it in. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 12:33:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Lorley Oneyear Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lamp repair Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<5.1.0.14.2.20020701082028.00a49960@pop.west.cox.net>> Precedence: bulk Lorley: Is your lamp copper foiled or lead came. If copper foil, remove the glass, recut and replace. It is not likely you will need to disassemble the panels to do this. If lead came, use your exacto knife and peel back the lead, remove and replace the glass and then resolder. Should be a fairly easy task. Good Luck. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 13:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!gunnx4 From: "Suzanne Gunn" To: "J. Dahlin" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cox.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@pro>> Organization: glsasdancer Precedence: bulk Howdy Joanne... I forgot to mention that I also used the fiberglass fibers in mine. I guess in all of them. Can't remember. I haven't made a stone in at least 2 years. I had fun doing them...but don't have much desire to make any more. lol. So your glass *popped* out? That seems like an odd thing to happen. Seems like it would have cracked or the stone would have cracked...but the glass lifted out? Did I understand that right? I probably won't be going to glass visions this year, as I have a more conventional job now and don't think I'll have the time. I have a new job as a librarian! (surprise) I quit at the studio last August. I LOVE my job. This is my all time favorite job ever! It's an amazing feeling to have a job I enjoy so much! :o) Then again...you never know. If it turns out I can go, I'll definitely let you know. Right now I'm working in the outreach services department on the book mobile. I'm having a blast! Supposedly, I still teach at the local jr college, but my last 4 classes were cancelled due to not enough students being enrolled. Have a great holiday. It's good to hear from you, and I hope you are healthy. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 15:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!GR82SK8408 From: GR82SK8408@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Saws Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:26:23 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hey Y'all, I'm new to this web stuff, but am excited I found this place. I need all the help I can get! I need to buy a saw and don't know which one will serve my needs. I want to be able to cut shells as well as glass and anything else that gets in my way! Thanks Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 15:56:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stny.rr.com!thor From: "Thor" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: saws Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stny.rr.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C221F9.6AAD22A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I strongly recomend the Taurus ring saw it should do you proud James Whispering Hills Studio ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C221F9.6AAD22A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I strongly recomend the Taurus ring=20 saw
it  should  do you = proud
James
 
Whispering Hills = Studio
------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C221F9.6AAD22A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 16:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compu-type.net!joanne From: "JoAnne Vogt" To: "Family Account" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compu> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@rcn.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Is RapidSet sorta like Diamondcrete? Does it have to be as thick as regular concrete? Do you use RapidSet instead of concrete/morter mix? I've had trouble with glass lifting here in St.Louis. The only thing I had thought about was perhaps my concrete was old... Instead of chicken wire, I use the net taping drywallers use to tape seams. JoAnne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Family Account" To: "Bungi Glass Group" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones > We've had luck using RapidSet, which we buy from a conrete dealer. We've > had stones out several years in Connecticut winters, which have a lot of > freezing and thawing. > > John and I will be at Glass Visions on Saturday. > > Dorothy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Dahlin" > To: "Bungi Glass Group" > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:52 PM > Subject: Concrete stepping stones > > > > Hi Suzanne: > > > > I just saw your message this evening. We got a new computer a couple of > > weeks ago and now both computers get e-mal messages depending upon which > > one of us checks messages. Joe got this one. > > > > I had some back luck with my stepping stones this year. I left them > > outside over winter and we had an EXTREMELY mild winter for Minnesota. > > All of the glass came off two of the stones. Of course I can redo them, > > but it was disappointing to say the least. I had not used a sealant, > > as I had been told you should use one. There are lots of theories going > > around. The very first stone that I had done (in a class) lost one > > piece of glass. I intent to try to glue that one back down one of these > > days. > > > > I realize Minnesota is not the same as Oklahoma, but I don't think I > > will leave my stones outside and exposed to the elments here again. > > Toward the end of the time that I was doing the stepping stones (it has > > been a couple of years) I tried using the cement with the fiberglass > > fibers in it. Those stones did not have any problems. > > > > By the way, Suzanne, are you going to Glass Visions this year? > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 17:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: myacc.net!erguy911 From: "Michael" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Saws Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:13:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@myacc.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk I'd recomend the Tarus2 Ring saw. It cuts in any direction and in many mediums, I've never regreted buying one. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Saws > Hey Y'all, > I'm new to this web stuff, but am excited I found this place. I need all the > help I can get! I need to buy a saw and don't know which one will serve my > needs. I want to be able to cut shells as well as glass and anything else > that gets in my way! > > Thanks > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 18:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: northlights.co.uk!toby From: "Toby" To: "john & kay" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lighting panels Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:39:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@northlights.co.uk> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Hello John & Kay in Watford, You bring an old Bunginian out of "lurkerdom". Welcome to Bungi! You are not a million miles away from myself! Go up the M1 to Junction 10, turn right, pass Luton Airport and then disappear into the small villages in Hertfordshire and you'll find me RIGHT there. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK - except that we have been joined by aMERICa. (He has PJ as his FIRST Godmother....and then about another 700 other Godparents! WOW!) To all my friends Across The Pond.... still with you.... still lurking. Suzanne... you are doing alright! Will be thinking of you all at Glass Visions in a week or so! Have a Margherita or two on me!!! Remember the BUCKET-fulls we had!!! ;-)) Oh what a wonderful time we had!! Remember me to Charles and Marianne...and the chipmunks! Back to back-lighting. John, if you can travel to Stevenage, I will show you a good example of stained glass back-lighting that I managed to solve. I made 2 panels for the United Reformed Church at Cutty Lane in Stevenage which were housed in a hinged wooden cabinet with diffused light tubes. I got the inspiration for the lighting from another United Reformed Church in Watford (located somere in the back-streets of the one-way streets around the Library). I am about to make another circular stained glass panel with back-lighting for a residential site in Perry Green (near Much Hadham in Hertfordshire. The place where Henry More lived and worked) It's a 2-panel project in total; one semi-circle for a little "lean-to conservatory" (costing a mere £75,000!) - the other a back-lit circular panel in the main House. Both to depict "The Tree of Life". In this case I have chosen to design an old gnarled pear tree. The "bespoke Architect" (ha-ha-ha-ha-chhoooo!!!!) and I are just now discussing the back-lighting of the circular panel. The builder will probably screw it up (they always do), but I do try. I have very good guidance from my ex-husband who is a retired BBC TV studio-bod. He is now the shining light of the local amateur dramatic theatres (in his old age). I'll be delighted to share my experience and (coached and helped) knowledge about back-lighting, if I can. By the way folks; the next TWO panels of my Water Scape series are now installed, UP and visible on my web-site! 4 Done.....THREE more to go! Have a look on my NEW web-site www.northlights/co.uk The old web-site is still running in parallel.... but will be phased out eventually. Mary (Maruca) and Jose.... I will e-mail you asap. I know you will read this. Beds ready and waiting. For all of you going to Glass Visions. Make sure you post blow-by-blow accounts of every hour, every day and fill me in. Lecture notes, new things, new toys, new people, OLD FRIENDS!!! Where is Patrick?? .....and don't forget THE MARGHERITAS!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK.... hmmmm.. 'n Meric > Hi > Can anyone out there help?. > > I am making some small panels in inches 4'x 4' 6'x6' and 8'x8'. I have some > deep frames and wonder in any knows how I could insert back lighting. > > Hope this makes sence. > > By the way is their an index of the Archives? > > Good wishes from Watford UK > > John Horsfield > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 2 20:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!woodwizz2 From: "Ron Ruffner" To: GR82SK8408@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Saws Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Kathy I got the Taurus II ring saw but compared to all of my woodworking equipment it is very poorly designed and built. Ron >From: GR82SK8408@aol.com >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Saws >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:26:23 EDT > >Hey Y'all, >I'm new to this web stuff, but am excited I found this place. I need all >the >help I can get! I need to buy a saw and don't know which one will serve my >needs. I want to be able to cut shells as well as glass and anything else >that gets in my way! > >Thanks >Kathy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 07:14:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: northlights.co.uk!toby From: "Toby" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: web-site Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:53:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@northlights.co.uk> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C222A1.7153EDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oooops! Sorry folks, my new web-site should read www.northlights.co.uk A silly / crept in there somewhere :-( Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C222A1.7153EDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oooops!
Sorry folks,
my new web-site should = read
www.northlights.co.uk A = silly=20 /  crept in there somewhere  :-(
 
Elisabeth 'n Toby in = UK
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C222A1.7153EDC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 15:33:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:14:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: rcn.com!shad.nai From: "Family Account" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RapidSet Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@rcn.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C222BB.C8CB7180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My daughter needed the phone line and I had to rush. A couple more = thangs. We get RapidSet at a concrete dealer. It's not available elsewhere. The dealer has concrete colorants, but they are pretty expensive, = otherwise it looks like...concrete. We don't seal the stones. We've had maybe two pieces of glass crack, none lift. =20 We don't make many stonesnow, but did for a while. They were a pain to = lug to craft fairs and are no longer the novelty they were. Dorothy ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C222BB.C8CB7180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My daughter needed the phone line and I = had to=20 rush.  A couple more thangs.
 
We get RapidSet at a concrete = dealer.  It's=20 not available elsewhere.
 
The dealer has concrete colorants, but = they are=20 pretty expensive, otherwise it looks like...concrete.
 
We don't seal the stones.
 
We've had maybe two pieces of glass = crack, none=20 lift. 
 
We don't make many stonesnow, but did = for a=20 while.  They were a pain to lug to craft fairs and are no longer = the=20 novelty they were.
 
Dorothy
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C222BB.C8CB7180-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 3 16:02:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: rcn.com!shad.nai From: "Family Account" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@rcn.com> References: <<002801c22221$8b603b40$7a8bd9c7@i6b2r9>> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoAnne Vogt" To: "Family Account" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Concrete stepping stones > Hi, > Is RapidSet sorta like Diamondcrete? Not at all. It's a regular concrete (and they also make a mortar) product. It has low water absorbancy, dries quickly (watch out in warm weather!), and is used for road and bridge repair. Because of the low water absorbancy, it does not expand and contract the way regular concrete does, thus glass is not likely to pop out. > Does it have to be as thick as regular concrete? It is regular concrete. We mix the concrete part sort of to the consistency of oatmeal, the mortar to cream of wheat consistency. We use fencing wire between the two layers. > Do you use RapidSet instead of concrete/morter mix? > > I've had trouble with glass lifting here in St.Louis. > > The only thing I had thought about was perhaps my concrete was old... > > Instead of chicken wire, I use the net taping drywallers use to tape seams. > > JoAnne > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 4 10:19:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: rcn.com!shad.nai From: "Family Account" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Apologies for MIME Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@rcn.com> Precedence: bulk My husband recently downloaded upgrades to IE and Express and I didn't realize that I was sending in MIME until today, so sorry about that. This should be plain text. Meanwhile, have a happy 4th, those of you in the USA. Those of us in the heat parched parts of the country...stay cool! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 5 11:33:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: juno.com!pkinnetz From: Peggy L Kinnetz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Water Scapes Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth, I was able to get to your website; Thanks very much for the link. You do very lovely work. One question: how did you do the little ovals of color in the Raindrops. Are they ovals layered & glued, or were they already colored like that before cutting. Or did you use enamels? I couldn't tell from the picture, but I didn't see any lead lines separating the colors. Peggy K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 5 15:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: juno.com!pkinnetz From: Peggy L Kinnetz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: lampblack Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:45:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com> Precedence: bulk I have just finished cementing my first two leaded panels. Messy work! but anyway, have a couple of questions: 1. I had a lot of the cement mixed with whiting left over. It was suggested that it can be used in the same project, instead of keep adding additional whiting, which I did, but still have a small pile left ( maybe 1/1/2 cupfuls). how long can this be kept, and more importantly, should I reuse it? 2. This time I used Inland cement, but would like to try the recipe that was posted a little while back, but can't find any company except Whitmore-Durgin. Are there other companies who have it? I can only buy retail, so the wholesalers are out for me. Is there any advantage to using the homemade vs commercial? Has anybody tried the cement from McGills site? That looked pretty inexpensive, but since you all have cautioned not to use Portland cement in any concoction, I'm a little wary of the commercial stuff, unless its a well-known brand. Okay, I went over the two questions I thought I had. Peggy K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 06:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!CUngv From: CUngv@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Bungi: Help with box hinges. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:19:40 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am working on a box using a wedding invitation sandwiched between two pieces of single thickness clear glass in the lid. I have made several boxes before and I find that my greatest difficulty is attaching the "hinge" so that it does not eventually pull the foil away from the glass. The technique I use utilizes brass tubing for the hinge, with the tubing attached to the top of bottom back piece, and a piece of brass wire coming down from each top back corner, bent to enter each end of the tubing. I use jewelry chain attached from inside the front of the top to the inside of the from of the bottom to prevent the box from opening too far. Sometimes I use 1/4" thick foil where the tubing attaches to the glass, but even so, there are times that when the lid is opened, the tubing pulls the foil from the glass. Any suggestions? Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 07:07:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergy glass" To: , "Glass Friends" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bungi: Help with box hinges. Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@island.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Carolyn You need to make sure there are a minimum of 2 seams on your box lid that intersect with the hinge...that way the tube hinge will be tied into the box lid and not be relying just on the adhesive of the foil to hold it in place. It's easy to just add a frame surrounding your invitation...and make sure the 2 side pieces run the whole width from back to front. Solder your chain into the interior vertical seam of the box at the front and embed it in the underside of the solder line you have created in the top by adding a frame. Carol PS Did you ever get your lamp made? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:19 AM Subject: Bungi: Help with box hinges. > Hi everyone, > > I am working on a box using a wedding invitation sandwiched between two > pieces of single thickness clear glass in the lid. I have made several boxes > before and I find that my greatest difficulty is attaching the "hinge" so > that it does not eventually pull the foil away from the glass. > > The technique I use utilizes brass tubing for the hinge, with the tubing > attached to the top of bottom back piece, and a piece of brass wire coming > down from each top back corner, bent to enter each end of the tubing. I use > jewelry chain attached from inside the front of the top to the inside of the > from of the bottom to prevent the box from opening too far. > > Sometimes I use 1/4" thick foil where the tubing attaches to the glass, but > even so, there are times that when the lid is opened, the tubing pulls the > foil from the glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Carolyn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 12:14:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: "redswanne@mindspring.com" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: Drilling question Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:43:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk Hollow core drills can be used in a drill press (to avoid bending the shaft). But small (1/8 inch) drill bits are always delicate. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com>, "redswanne@mindspring.com" writes >Can anyone suggest the best way they have found to drill holes directly >into small pieces of glass. > >I am looking to make some windchimes, as well as run ribbon through >some for other purposes, but have yet to find a bit t= >hat can wistand the abuse..... Been wet drilling, using my dremel, and >the bit doesn't seem to last more than a couple p= >ieces.....Not a happy prospect since I am looking at drilling about 100. > >Thank you > >Jean Wagner >Raleigh, NC > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 12:27:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: john & kay Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: Lighting panels Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:01:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk John. My suggestions on lighting are to have a box made and painted matt white inside. Glaze it so the panel is outer most, place 40% transmission opalescent acrylic (perspex for us Brits) behind it, then light source, and then a matt white backing. Have some method of accessing the light source. If you use low heat light sources (such as low voltage or fluorescent), you will need less ventilation, than if you use incandescent lights. Alternatively, you can use 60% transmission opal. perspex as the disperser and indirect lighting, such as a spotlight directed at the back. On an index to archives. A number of us did a lot of work on getting index headings for the archives and applied them to the stuff a couple of years ago. I don't know what happened to the material. Other than that I don't think there is anything. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk>, john & kay writes >Hi >Can anyone out there help?. > >I am making some small panels in inches 4'x 4' 6'x6' and 8'x8'. I have some >deep frames and wonder in any knows how I could insert back lighting. > >Hope this makes sence. > >By the way is their an index of the Archives? > >Good wishes from Watford UK > >John Horsfield >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 12:43:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: "Becker, Donna" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: Concrete Colorants Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:48:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com>> Precedence: bulk Someone else mentioned using glass as your backing. Then you can used black or grey grout to fill in the spaces and background. You should use pre-drilled tempered glass or drilled laminated glass as the backing glass. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com>, "Becker, Donna" writes >I mispoke, it's not as much a mosaic as a very large thin stepping stone. >I'd like the "picture" to be glass and the background to be "cement". Is >there a way to "grout" that large an area?, because I agree, I don't think >it's practical to hang something that heavy. > >Donna Becker >Senior Consultant II >donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Spitzer, Charlie [mailto:Charlie.Spitzer@stratus.com] >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:00 AM >To: Becker, Donna; 'glass@bungi.com' >Subject: RE: Concrete Colorants > > >a 60 lb bag of concrete is about 1/3 of a cubic foot i think. a 1'x2'x2" >piece of concrete is 1/3 cubic foot, or 1 bag of cement, or 60 lbs. > >why not make your mosaic on a piece of plywood and grout it with standard >tile grouts? > >regards, >charlie >cave creek, az > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Becker, Donna [mailto:DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:25 AM >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: RE: Concrete Colorants >> >> >> I'm looking forward to trying Suzanne's recipes, but I am >> going to make >> mosaic "wall hangings". Do you think I could use the same >> recipe - They are >> about 1 ft. by 2 ft. Will that be too heavy? Is there some >> substance that >> is lighter? They are for inside. >> >> Donna Becker >> Senior Consultant II >> donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 12:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: Peggy L Kinnetz Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lampblack Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:21:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com>> Precedence: bulk Peggy, Before using the leftover whiting and cement, sift it through a fine mesh (like a simple flour sifter) to take out the big lumps. As long as you keep it reasonably dry you can use the whiting (now grey). It will be extended by addition of the new used stuff. You can use the grey stuff after the first application of new whiting to the freshly cemented panel. The blackening that I use is the stuff for keeping fire grates bright black. It is carbon black in an oil suspension. Try any fireplace and stove shops in your area for supplies. Any commercially prepared lead light cement should not have Portland cement in it. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com>, Peggy L Kinnetz writes >I have just finished cementing my first two leaded panels. Messy work! >but anyway, have a couple of questions: > >1. I had a lot of the cement mixed with whiting left over. It was >suggested that it can be used in the same project, instead of keep adding >additional whiting, which I did, but still have a small pile left ( maybe >1/1/2 cupfuls). how long can this be kept, and more importantly, should I >reuse it? > >2. This time I used Inland cement, but would like to try the recipe that >was posted a little while back, but can't find any company except >Whitmore-Durgin. Are there other companies who have it? I can only buy >retail, so the wholesalers are out for me. Is there any advantage to >using the homemade vs commercial? Has anybody tried the cement from >McGills site? That looked pretty inexpensive, but since you all have >cautioned not to use Portland cement in any concoction, I'm a little wary >of the commercial stuff, unless its a well-known brand. > >Okay, I went over the two questions I thought I had. > >Peggy K. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 12:56:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: The Glass Garden Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: polish edges Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>> Precedence: bulk In addition to the replies already posted, you can use a series of graded diamond encrusted pads, which will come to a satin finish. If a polish is required, there is no substituted to cerium oxide and felt wheels. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>, The Glass Garden writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >--Boundary_(ID_pXICUs59kKd5VKCN6aTNFw) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >Hi All! >I have a question for you....when you cut and grind glass that is not >going to be foiled...how do you polish the edge? Any chemicals? >Wendy > >--Boundary_(ID_pXICUs59kKd5VKCN6aTNFw) >Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > > > > >
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I have a question for you....when you cut >and grind >glass that is not going to be foiled...how do you polish the edge?  Any >chemicals?
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Wendy
> >--Boundary_(ID_pXICUs59kKd5VKCN6aTNFw)-- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 14:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Lighting panels Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:46:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk if your pieces are that small, then look into using edge lighting products using leds. that won't work for something larger than your 8"x8" piece though, as the cost of the leds would be prohibitive. i found a site about 6 months ago that made the lighting strips for small things like glass trophies, but have lost the link since then. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Richard [mailto:s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:01 AM > To: john & kay > Subject: Re: Lighting panels > > > John. > My suggestions on lighting are to have a box made and painted > matt white > inside. Glaze it so the panel is outer most, place 40% transmission > opalescent acrylic (perspex for us Brits) behind it, then > light source, > and then a matt white backing. Have some method of accessing > the light > source. > > If you use low heat light sources (such as low voltage or > fluorescent), > you will need less ventilation, than if you use incandescent lights. > > Alternatively, you can use 60% transmission opal. perspex as the > disperser and indirect lighting, such as a spotlight directed at the > back. > > > On an index to archives. A number of us did a lot of work on getting > index headings for the archives and applied them to the stuff > a couple > of years ago. I don't know what happened to the material. > Other than > that I don't think there is anything. > > Steve > > > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@horsfieldwatford.demon.co.uk>, john & kay > writes > >Hi > >Can anyone out there help?. > > > >I am making some small panels in inches 4'x 4' 6'x6' and > 8'x8'. I have some > >deep frames and wonder in any knows how I could insert back lighting. > > > >Hope this makes sence. > > > >By the way is their an index of the Archives? > > > >Good wishes from Watford UK > > > >John Horsfield ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 14:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: Re: cement Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:20:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk When doing mosaic tiles, isn't there a mastic that can be used instead of concrete? If so, is it lighter in weight, for an "inside" tile, as opposed to "outdoor". And the color would be...? - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 15:21:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: cement Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:58:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk what are you sticking it to? yes, there is a mastic. it's a plastic type product. the color is white. comes in a tub. look for it in the tile aisle in home depot. i use it for tiling projects on a vertical surface. for a horizontal surface, i use thinset. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:20 PM > To: bungi Glass > Subject: Re: cement > > > When doing mosaic tiles, isn't there a mastic that can be > used instead > of concrete? If so, is it lighter in weight, for an "inside" > tile, as > opposed to "outdoor". And the color would be...? - Cec > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 20:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:08:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: datasync.com!nts From: "Nancy Saucier" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: diamond bits for dremel tools Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@datasync.com> Precedence: bulk There has been some discussion recently as to whether dremel makes diamond coated bits for drilling holes in glass. I received a new catalog today from MicroMark, a company that specializes in small tools for various crafts. They carry quite a few diamond-coated accessories for Dremel and other similar small high speed tools. These include various drill bits along with some diamond wheels and polishing tools that can be used on glass. Their web site is www.micromark.com. Nancy Saucier Picayune Mississippi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 21:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bungi: re: lampblack Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Peggy L Kinnetz >1. I had a lot of the cement mixed with whiting left over. It was suggested that it can be used in the same project, instead of keep adding= additional whiting, which I did, but still have a small pile left ( maybe= 1/1/2 cupfuls). how long can this be kept, and more importantly, should I= reuse it? > old whiting can be reused until it becomes too "clumpy" or too "green/gre= y" for you to stand looking at. reuse at will. by all means, reuse. <2. This time I used Inland cement, but would like to try the recipe that= was posted a little while back, but can't find any company except Whitmore-Durgin. Are there other companies who have it? I can only buy retail, so the wholesalers are out for me. Is there any advantage to using the homemade vs commercial? Has anybody tried the cement from McGills site? That looked pretty inexpensive, but since you all have cautioned not to use Portland cement in any concoction, I'm a little wary= of the commercial stuff, unless its a well-known brand.< Goodness...make your own cement. 1 part boiled linseed oil to 1 1/2 part= s turpentinel. That's the 'wet'. Add whiting until it makes the consisten= cy you like. Add lampblack, if you have it and if you like using it. That'= s it. Fini. Cheep. Put in coffee tin with lid and use/make up as necessa= ry when necessary. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles/ArtWorks Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 8 21:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bungi: re: lamp repair Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:21:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Lorley Oneyear >I have been asked about repairing a stained glass lamp. I have done very= = few repairs and am somewhat hesitant to take this on. I have been told it= 's an eight sided lamp with just a couple of pieces broken on one of the = panels. Do I remove the one side and then repair the pieces and then = reassemble the lamp? It seems like a lot of work to me. Any ideas? < Naw. First make a paper tracing of the piece to be replaced. This gives= you the pattern. Then score, score, score and tap out the bad glass. Next, unsolder the old solder, removing the old copper foil. Remember, l= et gravity do the work for you...i.e. let the solder drip off. Turn the lampshade as necessary to help gravity. Remove ALL solder that you can. = Solder lines which have been patina'ed take longer to melt...be patient a= nd use lots of flux. Next, cut out the replacement piece slightly smaller than the original...you have to fit it back into a space which has minute quantiti= es of solder still there. Tape (front & back) the copper-foiled replacement piece to its neighbors.= Put lampshade in a box with rags stuffed into it. Why rags? Why the box= ? = So you can position the replacement piece inside the box so that the sold= er lines are flat for good, clean soldering on the outside or inside. Rags because invariably the solder and/or flux will drip. Solder replacement piece on both inside and out. Patina. Voila! You're done. Easy. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles/ArtWorks Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 9 22:51:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Box Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk Carolyn, I would cut the top of the box down a little and attach the tube part of the hinge to the top so that the weight of the top is not constantly pulling the tape on the top. Just reverse your hinge pieces (tube on top, attaching wires to the bottom) and you should have added strength. Continue using the fine chain on the inside to keep the lid from falling. Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 10 01:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Stephen Richard To: Moya O'Neal Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Subject: Re: Box Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:53:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net>> Precedence: bulk Also a variation on this method is given in a back issue of "Common Ground: Glass. Information is available from the site www/igga.org Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net>, Moya O'Neal writes >Carolyn, >I would cut the top of the box down a little and attach the tube part of the >hinge to the top so that the weight of the top is not constantly pulling the >tape on the top. Just reverse your hinge pieces (tube on top, attaching >wires to the bottom) and you should have added strength. Continue using the >fine chain on the inside to keep the lid from falling. >Moya > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Stephen Richard, Verrier "Glass on Parade" Glasgow, Scotland ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 09:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: gLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_169.106b60b2.2a60552e_boundary" Subject: PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:52:14 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_169.106b60b2.2a60552e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I NEED TO BE DROPPED FROM THE LIST,THANK YOU ,ABBIE IN VA. --part1_169.106b60b2.2a60552e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I NEED TO BE DROPPED FROM THE LIST,THANK YOU ,ABBIE IN VA. --part1_169.106b60b2.2a60552e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 10:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Shecharlie From: Shecharlie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_124.1395ddeb.2a605679_boundary" Subject: came Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:57:45 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_124.1395ddeb.2a605679_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I "m hoping one of you stained glass guru's will reply with an answer to my problem. I find that when I use came , even though its been stretched, it eventually pulls away . i now use zinc but there are cases when i will have to use came. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong. thanks sheila shecharlie@aol.com --part1_124.1395ddeb.2a605679_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I "m hoping one of you stained glass guru's will reply with an answer to my problem.
I find that when I use came , even though its been stretched, it eventually pulls away .
i now use zinc but there are cases when i will have to use came. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong.
thanks
sheila
shecharlie@aol.com --part1_124.1395ddeb.2a605679_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 13:42:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!gunnx4 From: "Suzanne Gunn" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: came Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:24:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cox.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Organization: glsasdancer Precedence: bulk Im no guru...but I'll give my opinion. It's apparently the way you are hanging it, right? You might want to try using 4% lead...dont know what you are using, but the 4% is stronger and stiffer. (also harder to stretch) My first choice would be to frame it, then hang it. Second choice would be to attach any hanging paraphinalia only where the lead is soldered to a joint in the panel, never between joints. Hope this was of any help. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: came > I "m hoping one of you stained glass guru's will reply with an answer to my > problem. > I find that when I use came , even though its been stretched, it eventually > pulls away . > i now use zinc but there are cases when i will have to use came. Can you tell > me what I'm doing wrong. > thanks > sheila > shecharlie@aol.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 12 14:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!PWISERV From: PWISERV@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6a.22c11254.2a609f40_boundary" Subject: stained glass stepping stones questions I have~~~ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:08:16 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_6a.22c11254.2a609f40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am wondering if anyone out there has made stepping stones and can answer some questions that I have. I have made a dozen or so with concrete and used wood forms. Some pieces of glass in a couple of stones cracked (some months later). Does anyone know what causes this to happen? Also, when cleaning the stones, if the vaseline gets on the top, it stains the concrete. What can be used to get that oil stain off the concrete? And if there are any other helpful hints on making stepping stones, please write to me. THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PWISERV@aol.com --part1_6a.22c11254.2a609f40_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am wondering if anyone out there has made stepping stones and can answer some questions that I have.  I have made a dozen or so with concrete and used wood forms.  Some pieces of glass in a couple of stones cracked (some months later).
Does anyone know what causes this to happen? Also, when cleaning the stones, if the vaseline gets on the top, it stains the concrete.  What can be used to get that oil stain off the concrete?  And if there are any other helpful hints on making stepping stones, please write to me.  THANKS A BUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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--Boundary_(ID_dm9F5H5E9Ode2BBQbNBSTg)-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 15:20:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: black patina Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've just rejoined the bungi list, so I may have missed a patina discussion that would have answered this question. I use Novacan Black Patina and from time to time I manage to stain some of the glass involved as well as the solder. On the back of the bottle Novacan recommends its own product as a stain remover. My local supplier does not carry such a product and the owner suggests that this product is not actually available. Can anybody tell me 1) where to get Novacan stain remover and 2) does it do the job and 3)is there some alternative way to remove the stains???? Thanks for any help you can offer. Bob Cutler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 15:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Soquelie From: Soquelie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_115.14638207.2a61fea1_boundary" Subject: subscription Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:07:29 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_115.14638207.2a61fea1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please change my mailing address to Soquelie2000@Yahoo.com. Thank you. --part1_115.14638207.2a61fea1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please change my mailing address to Soquelie2000@Yahoo.com.

Thank you. --part1_115.14638207.2a61fea1_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 18:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: change email address Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Hi please change my subscription email to texpenguinglass@tsgreer.com. Thanks! Sherry Greer ===== Sherry Greer texpenguin@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 13 22:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: patina stain problem solved Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all, The crisis has passed. Helpful advice from two list members led me to try plain old flux remover on the glass stained with patina and it seems to have worked to remove it. Much obliged to list members. Great to be back. Bob Cutler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 11:43:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-783260C; boundary="=======7CF73370=======" Subject: X-mas white stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020714104544.00a596d0@pop.west.cox.net> Precedence: bulk --=======7CF73370======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-783260C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to Xmas. I make small stained glass foiled projects to give away and sell at Xmas time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. What would be the best way to store these? Can I keep them sealed in a zip lock baggie? I have small boxes for each one but wanted to keep them dust free as much as possible. And sometimes I've noticed a small amount of white powder showing up some time later. All items had been waxed and buffed and buffed, so where does this white stuff come from? Lorley --=======7CF73370=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 13:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: "Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: Re: X-mas white stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> References: <<1409170918.1026672876380.JavaMail.root@monkey>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk What kind of wax? Could it be excess wax turning white - I've seen that back when I used liquid car wax (urethane). I now use the spray-on which is much easier. Or - you did wash them thoroughly to get all the flux off before waxing? If not, it could be oxidation of the solder. - Cec Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier] wrote: > Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to > Xmas. I make small stained glass foiled projects to give away and sell > at Xmas time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. What > would be the best way to store these? Can I keep them sealed in a zip > lock baggie? I have small boxes for each one but wanted to keep them > dust free as much as possible. And sometimes I've noticed a small > amount of white powder showing up some time later. All items had been > waxed and buffed and buffed, so where does this white stuff come from? > Lorley -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 14:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cox.net!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-783260C; boundary="=======B2679CF=======" Subject: Re: X-mas white stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020714135741.00a554e0@pop.west.cox.net> References: <<1409170918.1026672876380.JavaMail.root@monkey>> Precedence: bulk --=======B2679CF======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-783260C; boundary="=====================_14732901==_.ALT" --=====================_14732901==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-783260C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cec, I use Kem-Pro wax and I really spend a lot of time buffing and getting into the corners. I can rub this new white stuff off but it doesn't seem like it's really old wax. What kind of spray on wax do you use? If I remember correctly from previous post you said it dries clear and if you should miss a small spot it really isn't noticeable. I do wash all my pieces thoroughly with Dawn dish soap and hot water so I don't think it's a flux/oxidation problem. Lorley At 04:28 PM 07/14/2002 -0400, Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote: >What kind of wax? Could it be excess wax turning white - I've seen that >back when I used liquid car wax (urethane). I now use the spray-on which >is much easier. Or - you did wash them thoroughly to get all the flux off >before waxing? If not, it could be oxidation of the solder. - Cec > >Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier] wrote: > >>Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to Xmas. >>I make small stained glass foiled projects to give away and sell at Xmas >>time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. What would be the >>best way to store these? Can I keep them sealed in a zip lock baggie? I >>have small boxes for each one but wanted to keep them dust free as much >>as possible. And sometimes I've noticed a small amount of white powder >>showing up some time later. All items had been waxed and buffed and >>buffed, so where does this white stuff come from? Lorley > > >-- >********************************************************************* >* Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel >Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) >********************************************************************* > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 04/19/2002 --=====================_14732901==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-783260C; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cec, I use Kem-Pro wax and I really spend a lot of time buffing and getting into the corners. I can rub this new white stuff off but it doesn't seem like it's really old wax. What kind of spray on wax do you use? If I remember correctly from previous post you said it dries clear and if you should miss a small spot it really isn't noticeable. I do wash all my pieces thoroughly with Dawn dish soap and hot water so I don't think it's a flux/oxidation problem. Lorley



At 04:28 PM 07/14/2002 -0400, Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote:

What kind of wax?  Could it be excess wax turning white - I've seen that back when I used liquid car wax (urethane).  I now use the spray-on which is much easier.  Or - you did wash them thoroughly to get all the flux off before waxing?  If not, it could be oxidation of the solder. - Cec

Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier] wrote:

Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to Xmas. I make small stained glass foiled projects to give away and sell at Xmas time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. What would be the best way to store these? Can I keep them sealed in a zip lock baggie? I have small boxes for each one but wanted to keep them dust free as much as possible. And sometimes I've noticed a small amount of white powder showing up some time later. All items had been waxed and buffed and buffed, so where does this white stuff come from? Lorley


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Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to Xmas. I
make small stained glass foiled projects to give away and sell at Xmas
time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. What would be the
best way to store these? Can I keep them sealed in a zip lock baggie? I
have small boxes for each one but wanted to keep them dust free as much as
possible. And sometimes I've noticed a small amount of white powder showing
up some time later. All items had been waxed and buffed and buffed, so
where does this white stuff come from? Lorley

In my experience it is probably oxidation-in the tropics here(Malaysia)it can be a real problem-the white stuff just
grows and grows.We get around it by washing very well with a detergent and then giving it a thorough soak and rinse
with an alkali-based 'bath'-to neutralise any acids from flux,patina,etc that may be lurking behind.I mix a few drops of
caustic soda with a litre of water-just a few drops!-that normally does the trick.Too much alkali(read soda)and you could find
your patina coming away.leave on a minute or two and then rinse well,and wax and buff the usual way.It works great for me.


"If you're not living on the edge,you're taking up too much space!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 17:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: "Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier]" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: Re: X-mas white stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> References: <<995573222.1026682499834.JavaMail.root@monkey>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Well Dawn is what the Dept of Environment (Maryland) advises for people to clean up oil spills, etc. so that sounds right. What I use now is a clear liquid spray - made by Turtle Wax, but probably Rain Dance or Blue Coral or any of them have something similar. Spray it and wipe it all over, but not necessary to buff. but I know how easy it was to not get all the other kind of wax all totally buffed, even tho I'd use a toothbrush around the foiled parts. Corners were always the worst. I had the same problem with the car - black - when I used the old liquid - whitish around all the metal strips, bumpers, etc. - Cec Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier] wrote: > Cec, I use Kem-Pro wax and I really spend a lot of time buffing and > getting into the corners. I can rub this new white stuff off but it > doesn't seem like it's really old wax. What kind of spray on wax do > you use? If I remember correctly from previous post you said it dries > clear and if you should miss a small spot it really isn't noticeable. > I do wash all my pieces thoroughly with Dawn dish soap and hot water > so I don't think it's a flux/oxidation problem. Lorley > > > > At 04:28 PM 07/14/2002 -0400, Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote: > >> What kind of wax? Could it be excess wax turning white - I've seen >> that back when I used liquid car wax (urethane). I now use the >> spray-on which is much easier. Or - you did wash them thoroughly to >> get all the flux off before waxing? If not, it could be oxidation of >> the solder. - Cec >> >> Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier] wrote: >> >>> Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to >>> Xmas. I make small stained glass foiled projects to give away and >>> sell at Xmas time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. >>> What would be the best way to store these? Can I keep them sealed in >>> a zip lock baggie? I have small boxes for each one but wanted to >>> keep them dust free as much as possible. And sometimes I've noticed >>> a small amount of white powder showing up some time later. All items >>> had been waxed and buffed and buffed, so where does this white stuff >>> come from? Lorley >> >> >> >> -- >> ********************************************************************* >> * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel >> Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) >> ********************************************************************* >> >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available athttp://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com >> ). >> Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 04/19/2002 > > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 18:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:22:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: glenna rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: more on patina stain on glass Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Back again, I the cold light of day it appears that the flux remover I tried on the Novacan black patina stain on the red pieces of glass did not work. I am still wondering if Novacan actually makes the product it describes on the back of the bottle of black patina. rc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 23:08:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: glenna rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Found it!!! Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 23:19:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: glenna rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Found it!!! Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 14 23:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: glenna rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Found it!!! Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Thanks again Bob cutler __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 05:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: bjs10@cornell.edu To: CncptThnkr@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: patina stain problem solved Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cornell.edu> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk I agree, it would be so nice to see the answers to questions... On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > Bob, > > Thanks for writing back to the list and letting us know what suggestions you > received. 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On Sun, 14 Jul 2002 CncptThnkr@aol.com wrote: > Bob, > > Thanks for writing back to the list and letting us know what suggestions you > received. It's irksome to read questions and never see the replies. > > Pat > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---------1cc216845e327e751cc216845e327e75-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 08:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: "Bergju@aol.com [bungier/Bungier]" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: bungi: Fwd: My 2 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A2?= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:14:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> References: <<1224572017.1026744018678.JavaMail.root@monkey>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Typing Bungi in the subject line, along with the added Re: leaves lit= tle=20 room for any subject. I'd rather see a longer subject line and base = my=20 deletes on that. (Actually, I always glance at all messages because = who=20 knows what I can learn, whether I think I'd be interested or not.) = =20 There are small programs that let you preview an email message withou= t=20 actually opening it - if you are afraid of viruses. You'd be better= =20 served by having a good virus program, though. And since the vast= =20 majority of the messages on Bungi ARE glass related in some fashion, = I=20 think it a waste of time and space and energy. My 2=A2. - Cec Bergju@aol.com [bungier/Bungier] wrote: >i just deleted everything bob sent unfortunately as i thought the "i= found it" email was junk mail. please type "bungi" in the subject l= ine if its related to this site so those of us who don't like reading= /opening junk mail know its stuff we want to read! thanks > ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood=20 * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 09:14:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: monster.com!jsaemails From: jsaemails@monster.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Language [#3126282] Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@monster.com> Precedence: bulk Thank you for your interest in Monster, the leading online global career site! Please be assured that we have received your communication and there is no need to reply to this message. Your email will be answered in as timely a manner as possible. ----- glass Wrote ----- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 10:32:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!Bergju From: Bergju@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20bungi:=20=20Fwd:=20My=202=20=A2?= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:35:32 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk i read everything that comes from bungi as i enjoy the list and have learned quite a bit from it, and i have a very good virus program that takes care of any concerns there. i just get quite a bit of email and so much is unsolicited so i just don't bother opening things i've not requested or if from unknown senders as i do not have the time nor desire to read all the ads. anyway, that was my 2 cents. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 12:57:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!CUngv From: CUngv@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20bungi:=20=20Fwd:=20My=202=20=A2?= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:37:41 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk And since the vast= =20 majority of the messages on Bungi ARE glass related in some fashion, = I=20 think it a waste of time and space and energy. My 2=A2. - Cec I wonder why it came across like that? In any event, I also read all of the messages "on Bungi." The problem is figuring out which of them are "on Bungi." Many of us do not use email programs that permit us to place bungi mail in a separate folder, so we are left trying to guess if "Re: X-mas white stuff" is glass-related (it is) or if "Re: from Diane Jjtwff" is glass-related (it is spam). Bungi does not appear anywhere in the subject or sender line for either message, so it is up to me to guess, or open all emails. I have to tell you, I get some pretty rauncy spam, and I prefer to delete it without opening it. I think that most of us choose to read all bungi mail, regardless of the subject, so if "bungi" appears in the subject line, not much more room is necessary. As it says in the subject line, "just my 2 cents." Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 15:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: robert cutler Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: more on patina stain on glass Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk Robert: Yes, the patina manufacturer does make a stain remover. I have a bottle but have never used it. I usually use acetone to remove patina stains. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 16:13:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: Re: bungi: Fwd: My 2 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A2?= Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> References: <<2033846950.1026763705272.JavaMail.root@monkey>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk AOHell doesn't let you filter mail into folders? I thought the newest version was using Netscape - which they bought - and the just old one is a version of Internet Explorer (Microsoft) so would have expected both would allow filtering. Not that that surprises me. - Cec CUngv@aol.com [bungier/Bungier] wrote: >And since the vast= >=20 >majority of the messages on Bungi ARE glass related in some fashion, = >I=20 >think it a waste of time and space and energy. My 2=A2. - Cec > >I wonder why it came across like that? > >In any event, I also read all of the messages "on Bungi." The problem is >figuring out which of them are "on Bungi." Many of us do not use email >programs that permit us to place bungi mail in a separate folder, so we are >left trying to guess if "Re: X-mas white stuff" is glass-related (it is) or >if "Re: from Diane Jjtwff" is glass-related (it is spam). Bungi does not >appear anywhere in the subject or sender line for either message, so it is up >to me to guess, or open all emails. I have to tell you, I get some pretty >rauncy spam, and I prefer to delete it without opening it. > >I think that most of us choose to read all bungi mail, regardless of the >subject, so if "bungi" appears in the subject line, not much more room is >necessary. > >As it says in the subject line, "just my 2 cents." > >Carolyn >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 17:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: verizon.net!moya.oneal From: "Moya O'Neal" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Christmas White stuff Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verizon.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C22B8D.D02405C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cec: What kind of spray on stuff? 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Cec:
What kind of spray on stuff?
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C22B8D.D02405C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 15 21:22:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: datasync.com!nts From: "Nancy Saucier" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bungi - acetone Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:00:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@datasync.com> Precedence: bulk Peggy - are we talking nail polish remover? Never would have thought to try that! Works well, I take it? Nancy Saucier Picayune Mississippi Robert: Yes, the patina manufacturer does make a stain remover. I have a bottle but have never used it. I usually use acetone to remove patina stains. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 16 18:14:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!frankgmizzi From: "Frank Mizzi" To: nts@datasync.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: bungi - acetone Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:47:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Greetings, make sure you keep the acetone off your hand ESPECIALLY if you have cuts...it will sting like an angry bull ant!. Even if it gets underneath any rings you may wear where the skin will be damp and therefore soft. The acetone will dry out your skin severly if you leave in in contact for too long. Nail polish remover has other ingredients that make it smell nice and de-fat your skin less but straight acetone from the hardware store will be chaeper and if used with gloves will give just as good results. FGM >From: "Nancy Saucier" >To: "Bungi" >Subject: bungi - acetone >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:00:46 -0500 > >Peggy - are we talking nail polish remover? Never would have thought to >try >that! Works well, I take it? >Nancy Saucier >Picayune Mississippi > >Robert: Yes, the patina manufacturer does make a stain remover. I have a >bottle but have never used it. I usually use acetone to remove patina >stains. Peggy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 08:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!TheGlassGarden From: The Glass Garden To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: double strength glass...sandwiching glass HELP Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:44:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_VycfbV++krWtbw4Rt9TJcA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All! I want to sandwich a pressed flowers and wedding invitations between glass....what is double strength glass??? Is this the right glass to use? what should the thickness be? What size foil do I need to use? Any comments or instructions would be sincerely appreciated!!! Wendy --Boundary_(ID_VycfbV++krWtbw4Rt9TJcA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi All!
 
I want to sandwich a pressed flowers and wedding invitations between glass....what is double strength glass???  Is this the right glass to use?  what should the thickness be?  What size foil do I need to use?
Any comments or instructions would be sincerely appreciated!!!
Wendy
--Boundary_(ID_VycfbV++krWtbw4Rt9TJcA)-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 18:08:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: ebay.com!lasupport From: eBay Live Auction Support To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "us-ascii" Subject: Receipt of your email to eBay Premier and Live Auctions Customer Support (KMM56472458V11181L0KM) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:26:36 -0700 Message-ID: <200207210026.g6L0QiO22417@tucson.ebay.com> Precedence: bulk Thank you for writing to eBay Premier and Live Auctions Customer Support! Your question is very important to us and will be treated = with our full attention and respect for your needs. If you have received this autoresponse, your email has been received, and it is not necessary for you to resend it. Thanks for your cooperation and assistance!Due to the high volume of emails we are currently receiving, we will make every effort to respond to your = email within 12 - 24 hours. IMPORTANT NOTE: Please do not respond to this email. Any email sent = as a response to this Acknowledgement will not reach us. Should you have = another question or would like to send us additional information, = please contact us by using our online Contact Customer Support page found at: = http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-support.html eBay Premier and Live Auctions Customer Support ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 20 22:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: The Glass Garden Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: double strength glass...sandwiching glass HELP Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>> Precedence: bulk Wendy: To sandwich your flowers, I would suggest that you use single strength glass in front and an extra thin clear glass in the back. Cut your glass to your pattern, arrange your pressed flowers and then join the two pieces. Use 1/4 inch foil, use flux sparingly and tin the piece. Place it into your panel or add a hanger or whatever you plan to do. Peggy On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, The Glass Garden wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --Boundary_(ID_VycfbV++krWtbw4Rt9TJcA) > Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > Hi All! > > I want to sandwich a pressed flowers and wedding invitations between glass....what is double strength glass??? Is this the right glass to use? what should the thickness be? What size foil do I need to use? > Any comments or instructions would be sincerely appreciated!!! > Wendy > > --Boundary_(ID_VycfbV++krWtbw4Rt9TJcA) > Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > > > > > > >
Hi All!
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I want to sandwich a pressed flowers and wedding > invitations between glass....what is double strength glass???  Is this the > right glass to use?  what should the thickness be?  What size foil do > I need to use?
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Any comments or instructions would be sincerely > appreciated!!!
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Wendy
> > --Boundary_(ID_VycfbV++krWtbw4Rt9TJcA)-- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ------- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 21 10:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:32:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: informal survey glass software Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:44:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk I was just wondering what software you use in "glassing", and so I'd need to know what computer and operating system as well. I suggest you fill this out and return it to me (you may have to save this as a file, open it, fill it out, and attach it in an email directly to me), so we don't clog up Bungi. I'll make the info available to all later. So: PC___? DOS ___? Windows _______? UNIX flavor _______? Other _________? Mac___? OS 7 or less______ OS 8 or 9______ OS X_______? UNIX flavor (other than X)_________ Other________? VPC (or other PC emulator)_________? Windows________? Graphics specifically for Glass: Glass Eye (PC only)____ Glass Magic (PC only)____ Rapid Resizer (PC only)____ Other1_______________ Other2______________ Graphics generic: PC CAD_________________ Mac CAD________________ Other _____________(Canvas, Corel, etc.) Publishing: PageMaker __________ Illustrator __________ PhotoShop__________ InDesign____________ GoLive____________ Acrobat____________ Quark Express____________ FrameMaker_______________ Other1___________ Other2____________ Spreadsheet:_________________ Database:_________________ Word Processing:_____________ Multi-component (***works):_________________ Simple Banking (Quicken etc.):______________________ Business Accounting Package:______________________ Time/Project Management:______________________ Inventory:______________________ All-In-One Business Management:__________________ Any other programs:_________________? Did you develop you own business forms?_________ If not, where did you obtain them?___________________________________ If you have written your own tools in a database or spreadsheet, please tell us and describe them a bit. Also - what should I have asked but didn't (with your answer as well, please)? For the rest, please tell us the shortcomings of the tools you have, and the strengths. If you were to recommend any of these programs, what would you recommend for A) a hobbyist B) small studio C) retail Yup - you IGGA people realize this is fodder for my Glascinations column in Common Ground. Thanks in advance!!!!! - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 21 21:21:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: comcast.net!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: NY Times reviews new museum Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:59:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk This Sunday's New York Times has a very interesting review of the new glass museum in Tacoma, specializing in modern glass - only the 2nd museum in the US concentrating on glass (the other is at Corning NY with more a specialty of the history of glass). The architecture looks stunning, from what I could see of the photos. It's in the Arts & Leisure section - and probably available on the web as well. You have to be a "member" but it costs nothing. "A Pyramid for New Treasures of an Age-Old Art" by Rita Reif. - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 22 08:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: "Marci" To: "Cecily & Ralph Wood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NY Times reviews new museum Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:37:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@doorpi.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@comcast.net>> Precedence: bulk Their Website is awesome also! Thanks for sharing with us Cec!! http://www.museumofglass.org/MG_intro.html Have fun! Marci Martin Designs www.mmartindesigns.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cecily & Ralph Wood" To: "Bungi Glass" Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: NY Times reviews new museum > This Sunday's New York Times has a very interesting review of the new > glass museum in Tacoma, specializing in modern glass - only the 2nd > museum in the US concentrating on glass (the other is at Corning NY with > more a specialty of the history of glass). The architecture looks > stunning, from what I could see of the photos. It's in the Arts & > Leisure section - and probably available on the web as well. You have > to be a "member" but it costs nothing. "A Pyramid for New Treasures of > an Age-Old Art" by Rita Reif. - Cec > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 13:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: X-mas white stuff Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:40:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk corrosion from flux underneath your foil. it seeps out after you clean and wax a piece. soaking your pieces in a flux removal solution (water, baking soda, dawn detergent) before waxing would make it go away. regards, charlie cave creek, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Cecily & Ralph Wood [mailto:cecnralph@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:28 PM > To: "Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier]"@daver.bungi.com > Subject: Re: X-mas white stuff > > > What kind of wax? Could it be excess wax turning white - > I've seen that > back when I used liquid car wax (urethane). I now use the spray-on > which is much easier. Or - you did wash them thoroughly to > get all the > flux off before waxing? If not, it could be oxidation of the > solder. - Cec > > Lorley Oneyear lorley@cox.net [bungier/Bungier] wrote: > > > Yes it may be 108 degrees in Phoenix now but I'm thinking ahead to > > Xmas. I make small stained glass foiled projects to give > away and sell > > at Xmas time. Most of them will be about 5 inches X 5 inches. What > > would be the best way to store these? Can I keep them > sealed in a zip > > lock baggie? I have small boxes for each one but wanted to > keep them > > dust free as much as possible. And sometimes I've noticed a small > > amount of white powder showing up some time later. All > items had been > > waxed and buffed and buffed, so where does this white stuff > come from? > > Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 13:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: came Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk came is soft. even if you stretch it (work harden), it remains a soft metal. you need to design how you're going to hang it into your piece, so that the gravity downwards isn't pulling on a single point of lead. try attaching the hanging points to a place where one or more cames are soldered together. you can even make the legs of the loops be long (1-2") and solder the entire leg to the came. this spreads out the force more, and will delay the bending of the lead for a lot longer time. regards, charlie cave creek, az -----Original Message----- From: Shecharlie@aol.com [mailto:Shecharlie@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:58 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: came I "m hoping one of you stained glass guru's will reply with an answer to my problem. I find that when I use came , even though its been stretched, it eventually pulls away . i now use zinc but there are cases when i will have to use came. Can you tell me what I'm doing wrong. thanks sheila shecharlie@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 23 20:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: diplomats.com!gwazo From: "ABDULID GWAZO" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: appeal to you An Appeal for your serious and religious assistance Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:03:33 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk ATTN: Sir/ Madam I am elder son of . Maj.General Gwazo former Military chief Security Officer of the Head of State who died mysteriously as a result of Cardiac Arrest. Since after the death of the Head of State my father has been under restriction of movement and that not withstanding, we are being molested policed,and my father's Bank Account both here and abroad are being frozen by the Nigerian Civilian Government. Furthermore, my father has been in detention by the Nigerian Government for more interrogation about the past regime of Late Gen.Sani , Some of my father's assets and some vital documentshas been seized Following the on-going interrogation by the Nigerian Government . I therefore decided to contact you in confidence that I was able to move out the sum of US$25 Million Dollars, which was secretly secured with a security company and is sealed in two Metal Boxes for security reasons. I therefore personally, appeal to you seriously and religiously for your urgent assistance to move this money from the security company into your country where I believe it will be safe since we can not leave the country due to the restriction of movement imposed on my father and the members of our family by the Nigerian Government. You can contact me via e-mail mailto: chief_sec@diplomats.com for the arrangement on how to move the fund also on how to meet in order to liaise with you ,toward effective completion of this transaction. Conclusively, we have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum while 70% is to be held on trust by you until my father is release ,so he could decide on a suitable business investment in your country subsequent to our free movement by the Nigerian Government. Please reply urgently and treat with absolute confidentiality and sincerety . Best Regards. Abdulid Gwazo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 24 20:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: mindspring.com!the_reeds From: "Larry & Kimmberly Reed" To: "ABDULID GWAZO" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: appeal to you An Appeal for your serious and religious assistance Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:28:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk Members of Glass@bunji.com: My wife, Kimmberly, is a member of your group. I recently noticed the subject line on this e-mail and, having some experience with the "Nigerian scam", opened it. My suspicions were confirmed. Do not reply to this letter. This is a scam which has worked on gullible and greedy US citizens for the past 10 years. Beware. Larry Reed -----Original Message----- From: ABDULID GWAZO [mailto:gwazo@diplomats.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:04 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: appeal to you An Appeal for your serious and religious assistance ATTN: Sir/ Madam I am elder son of . Maj.General Gwazo former Military chief Security Officer of the Head of State who died mysteriously as a result of Cardiac Arrest. Since after the death of the Head of State my father has been under restriction of movement and that not withstanding, we are being molested policed,and my father's Bank Account both here and abroad are being frozen by the Nigerian Civilian Government. Furthermore, my father has been in detention by the Nigerian Government for more interrogation about the past regime of Late Gen.Sani , Some of my father's assets and some vital documentshas been seized Following the on-going interrogation by the Nigerian Government . I therefore decided to contact you in confidence that I was able to move out the sum of US$25 Million Dollars, which was secretly secured with a security company and is sealed in two Metal Boxes for security reasons. I therefore personally, appeal to you seriously and religiously for your urgent assistance to move this money from the security company into your country where I believe it will be safe since we can not leave the country due to the restriction of movement imposed on my father and the members of our family by the Nigerian Government. You can contact me via e-mail mailto: chief_sec@diplomats.com for the arrangement on how to move the fund also on how to meet in order to liaise with you ,toward effective completion of this transaction. Conclusively, we have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum while 70% is to be held on trust by you until my father is release ,so he could decide on a suitable business investment in your country subsequent to our free movement by the Nigerian Government. Please reply urgently and treat with absolute confidentiality and sincerety . Best Regards. Abdulid Gwazo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 16:49:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!frankgmizzi From: "Frank Mizzi" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: BUNGI-Ideas for new workshop Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:21:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Greetings, I have just started building my FIRST very OWN leadlight workshop. Unfortunately I am restricted by local council(Australian) and financial considerations to an area of 10sq. meters. (This is a serious hobby type workshop and not commercial). I am not planning to do anything fancy at this stage, just lead came type work. I would be most grateful to anyone who would take the time to pass on some of their knowledge/experience in relation to what are good ides to incorporate into the workshop. Things like "what is a good bench height", "What is a good way to organise glass and other materials", "how to maximize storage space" etc etc. Any and all help will be grately appreciated. Thank you Frank. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 17:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: hotmail.com!frankgmizzi From: "Frank Mizzi" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: BUNGI-Ideas for new workshop Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:21:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Greetings, I have just started building my FIRST very OWN leadlight workshop. Unfortunately I am restricted by local council(Australian) and financial considerations to an area of 10sq. meters. (This is a serious hobby type workshop and not commercial). I am not planning to do anything fancy at this stage, just lead came type work. I would be most grateful to anyone who would take the time to pass on some of their knowledge/experience in relation to what are good ides to incorporate into the workshop. Things like "what is a good bench height", "What is a good way to organise glass and other materials", "how to maximize storage space" etc etc. Any and all help will be grately appreciated. Thank you Frank. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 25 20:12:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: "Marci" To: "Frank Mizzi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: BUNGI-Ideas for new workshop Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@doorpi.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com>> Precedence: bulk My benches - 2 main ones - are of two different hights - one if great for sitting at a stool and soldering, grinding, sawing, etc. The other is lower - about hip high - that I use for cutting glass. Another glass member mentioned and showed us pictures of keeping her glass pieces (smaller than a 8.5" x 11") in clear plastic (rubbermaid) containers -about the size of shoe boxes - I've tried this and just love it - they stack nicely - you can see what is in each box, and it keeps the glass pieces neat and clean. I keep all my glass globs, and geodes in a multidrawer storage container (originally for nuts and bolts I think). I had my husband build a light box into my higher counter. I only have one small window (it's a basement room) so have lots of overhead lighting, plus lights underneath the shelves about the workbenches. See photos of shop at www.mmartindesigns.com/newstuff.htm it takes a moment to load up - but the shop pictures are at the bottom of the page. Still some cleaning/organizing to do - but much much better than it was for doing glass work! We were going to paint the walls - but I decided that hanging past/future project "cartoons" was nicer - gave me ideas of projects I had done and others I want to do! Now to clean off the shelves and put up my many glass books! Seems like there is Always something to do! Good luck! Marci Martin Designs www.mmartindesigns.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Mizzi" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: BUNGI-Ideas for new workshop > > > Greetings, > > I have just started building my FIRST very OWN leadlight workshop. > > Unfortunately I am restricted by local council(Australian) and financial > considerations to an area of 10sq. meters. (This is a serious hobby type > workshop and not commercial). I am not planning to do anything fancy at this > stage, just lead came type work. > > I would be most grateful to anyone who would take the time to pass on some > of their knowledge/experience in relation to what are good ides to > incorporate into the workshop. Things like "what is a good bench height", > "What is a good way to organise glass and other materials", "how to maximize > storage space" etc etc. > > Any and all help will be grately appreciated. > > Thank you > > Frank. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 26 10:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!snooker1 From: "Millar" To: "'Frank Mizzi'" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: BUNGI-Ideas for new workshop Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:32:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com>> Precedence: bulk Storage 8' shelves or use the carboard tubes from contruction (4") under your bench for storing came 20" box shelves for glass storage and lots of shelves for everything. Keep the floor area free. Don't cut youself ( like I do) Ted -----Original Message----- From: Frank Mizzi [mailto:frankgmizzi@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:22 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: BUNGI-Ideas for new workshop Greetings, I have just started building my FIRST very OWN leadlight workshop. Unfortunately I am restricted by local council(Australian) and financial considerations to an area of 10sq. meters. (This is a serious hobby type workshop and not commercial). I am not planning to do anything fancy at this stage, just lead came type work. I would be most grateful to anyone who would take the time to pass on some of their knowledge/experience in relation to what are good ides to incorporate into the workshop. Things like "what is a good bench height", "What is a good way to organise glass and other materials", "how to maximize storage space" etc etc. Any and all help will be grately appreciated. 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Complete the Hotmail Customer Support request form at: http://www.hotmail.com/cgi-bin/support Remember that MSN Hotmail also has comprehensive online help available--just click "Help" in the upper right corner. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 26 17:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!jusconus From: ALBERT KABILA To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Personal Need Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Tel/Fax: 27 83 6652835 STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL I am Albert (27), son of late President of the Democratic republic of congo(Mr.laurent kabila) who was assassinated on Tuesday 16th January 2001 by one of the bodyguards who also comes from the same community with us. 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 31 07:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #537 built 2002-Apr-28) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Help Bungians with Bookmarks! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:50:21 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Have just gone thru the horror of changing computers, and in the "changeover" have lost all my bookmarks. I am hoping that you can all post, again, any of your websites pertaining to stained glass that are now "gone with the wind" on the old computer. Also, besides "Google" there was another search engine that one could call upon...that just by clicking on a desired catagory.....you could search for pictures in that category. I would certainly appreciate any help you folks can give me regarding this missing information. Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass