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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C132CA.CB471360-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 1 13:02:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara Snell To: "James Adams" , "Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Light box Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 15:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010901150359.00ad22a0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@Webzone.net>> Precedence: bulk My first light box was a simple one that I made myself.... I wrapped four bricks in newspapers, placed them on a counter, put the clear glass on top of the bricks so that each brick was in a corner. I put two light sticks under the glass and there you go... a light box.... it worked and did not cost much at all. Not too long ago a friend of mine made one for me.... made a box the same dimensions as the outsides of the glass. To place the glass on top of the box.... he glued firring strips that had been cut 1/4" shorter than the height of the inside of the box. He glued two of these pieces of firring on each side of the inside of the box.... then placed the glass on top. The firring strips acted as stops We painted the inside of the box white to maximize the light.... cut out a hole so that the cords from the light sticks could go through. I plugged the light sticks into a power strip with an on/off switch. It works great and I cannot imagine doing without it !!! I like the clear glass on top but sometimes the light is too bright and I want an opaque surface so I really like the idea of the freezer paper.... I am going to try it. A friend made mine for me.... Just a square box filled with light sticks.... and painted white on the inside. At 09:45 AM 09/01/2001 -0500, James Adams wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C132CA.CB471360 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Is there a pattern somewhere for building one of these light boxes? I have >thought about building one, but I'm afraid I would get the light in the >wrong place or get the wrong size light. I had just planned to make my >surface out of a 1/4 inch thick piece of glass. > >James > >email JamesAdams@Webzone.net >http://frontpage.webzone.net/jamesadams/james.htm > > >------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C132CA.CB471360 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >BODY { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: "Comic Sans MS", >"serif" } A { COLOR: #0000ff } HR { WIDTH: 100%; COLOR: #000000; HEIGHT: 2px } >Is = there a=20 pattern somewhere for building one of these light boxes? >I have = thought=20 about building one, but I'm afraid I would get the >light in the wrong = place or=20 get the wrong size light. I had just >planned to make my surface out of a = 1/4=20 inch thick piece of glass. > >James > >email <3d.htm>JamesAdams@Webzone.net<= /DIV> ><3d.htm>http://frontpa= ge.webzone.net/jamesadams/james.htm > > >------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C132CA.CB471360-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 1 15:08:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 15:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: neo.rr.com!cndylou1 From: "Candy Chester" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Light box Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@neo.rr.com> References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010901150359.00ad22a0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk Barbara, I've been reading with interest all the letters on light boxes and have decide to make one. so far, yours sounds the easiest. However, what is a light stick? Do you mean a flourescent light? Candy BTW, love this list, I am learning so much. I am new to this craft and I just love it. I get lost for hours in my projects and hope to start selling my "wares" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 1 18:33:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: frames Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for your advice on frames. I have a very clear idea on what to do now. I'm sure Grandma will be very pleased with her Christmas gift! This list sure is great for learning. Sherry ===== Sherry Greer texpenguin@yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 1 19:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: frames Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for your advice on frames. I have a very clear idea on what to do now. I'm sure Grandma will be very pleased with her Christmas gift! This list sure is great for learning. Sherry ===== Sherry Greer texpenguin@yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 1 19:45:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara Snell To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Light box Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:57:56 -0400 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010901193747.00ad1830@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010901150359.00ad22a0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Precedence: bulk Yes, the light sticks are florescent lights that I found at K-Mart. They are about 15" long with cords that you can just plug in to work anywhere. They are not very expensive, I bought three and laid them in the floor of the box a few inches from each other. I plugged them into a power strip that has an on/off switch so I can turn them off and on from there. Which light box are you going to make, the one with the bricks or the other one? Barbara At 06:00 PM 09/01/2001 -0400, Candy Chester wrote: >Barbara, >I've been reading with interest all the letters on light boxes and have >decide to make one. so far, yours sounds the easiest. However, what is a >light stick? Do you mean a flourescent light? >Candy > >BTW, love this list, I am learning so much. I am new to this craft and I >just love it. I get lost for hours in my projects and hope to start selling >my "wares" > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 2 04:31:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 04:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.1adcbeb0.28c36095_boundary" Subject: Re: Light Box Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:14:45 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_17.1adcbeb0.28c36095_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, When I built my cutting table I made room for a 2 x 3 ft. light box at one end. I used 3/4 x 4 x 8 sheet of plywood. I reinforced the bottom with strips of 2 x 4 cut in half. I routed the opening for the light box to accommodate the 1/4 in. plate glass. I then put a very cheap carpeting on the top and secured it with carpet tape and staples. My instructor had her glass sand blasted to diffuse the light and everytime she uses it she hates it can't see. I covered the back of mine with clear contact paper. The box round the bottom was just 1/4 in plywood with stripping to hold my 2ft florescent lamps. The whole table is mounted on a pair of saw horses. My box is very Brit but I can work with some very dark glass and see what I'm doing. Really works great for moasics. If there is too much light I cover the areas I'm not using with manilla folders. If want more information please email me. Good luck, Ken O --part1_17.1adcbeb0.28c36095_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All,

When I built my cutting table I made room for a 2 x 3 ft. light box at one
end. I used 3/4 x 4 x 8 sheet of plywood. I reinforced the bottom with
strips of 2 x 4 cut in half. I routed the opening for the light box to
accommodate the 1/4 in. plate glass. I then put a very cheap carpeting on the
top and secured it with carpet tape and staples. My instructor had her glass
sand blasted to diffuse the light and everytime she uses it she hates it
can't see. I covered the back of mine with clear contact paper. The box
round the bottom was just 1/4 in plywood with stripping to hold my 2ft
florescent lamps. The whole table is mounted on a pair of saw horses. My
box is very Brit but I can work with some very dark glass and see what I'm
doing. Really works great for moasics. If there is too much light I cover
the areas I'm not using with manilla folders. If want more information please
email me.

Good luck,
Ken O
--part1_17.1adcbeb0.28c36095_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 2 05:32:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 05:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Steve Richard , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: frames Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 00:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Hi Steve - It is 1/8 or 5/32 inch U channel - and I've seen it in copper, lead, brass, zinc. Copper is what is usually found around here because it is so much easier to cut, for hobbyists who aren't about to invest in a came saw. There is something called a Lil Notcher that notches the came on both sides. You can get a 45� angle or a 90� angle one. Again - aimed at hobbiests who are not about to invest a lot of money in equipment. Handy, though. It makes a nice sturdy edge to a small to middling sized panel. As a matter of fact, if you check out the pricey commercial bevelled glass entry lights - inside halls and outside porches/steps/patios, etc. (hanging or wall sentry types), you will discover many of them are made with the brass came, and only soldered on the inside. It's an amazement they don't fall apart, because there's no great amout of soldering done. - Cec Steve Richard wrote: > Could someone explain to me what "hobby came" is? I have seen it > referred to several times, but I am not familiar with anything that it > might be. > Steve > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com>, Cecily & Ralph Wood > writes > >Yes - I use the hobby came which is just right for the cardboard backs with > >the swing-out "leg". And you bend the wire down flat to put the picture in, > >and then bend it back up to hold the picture in. If you are going to use > >good photos, use the UV resistant glass - or archival glass, as it sometimes > >called - for the see-thru area. > > > >Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > >> Hi Sherry, > >> > >> There are probably several ways to do it. What I've done is to use U > >> came around the back of three sides of the clear glass. Just tack it on. > >> Slide your picture in, and some cardboard to hold the picture tighter. > >> > >> Then for feet of the frame, used some heavy gauge copper wire and > >> attached to the outside of the to outside cames. bent it, and added > >> solder balls fat enough to support hold it up. > >> > >> Hope this makes sense. > >> > >> Suzanne > >> > >> Sherry Greer wrote: > >> > > >> > My mom wants me to make my grandmother a stained glass pic frame for > >> > Christmas. The frame itself is no problem, but how do you work the > >> > picture area? 2 pieces of picture glass sandwiched and foiled together > >> > on only 3 sides? If so, how do you attach the top of the frame to the > >> > central area? Or are there ready mady frame kits for such things? > >> > Thanks for your help! > >> > Sherry > >> > > >> > ===== > >> > Sherry Greer > >> > texpenguin@yahoo.com > >> > ---- > >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 2 05:35:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 05:32:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Sherry Greer Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: frames Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk Sherry: I teach students to make picture frames and for the place to put pictures they use clear glass. On the back they run 1/4" brass chanel around the clear glass area on three sides (leaving the top open) and then you can slide pictures in. They brace the picture frame using heavy wire or glass to keep the picture frame upright. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 2 06:06:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Cecily & Ralph Wood , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: frames Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 07:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@home.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Oh...but they *do* fall apart. I've seen plenty of them come in for repair. Suzanne Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote: > > Hi Steve - It is 1/8 or 5/32 inch U channel - and I've seen it in copper, lead, > brass, zinc. Copper is what is usually found around here because it is so much > easier to cut, for hobbyists who aren't about to invest in a came saw. There is > something called a Lil Notcher that notches the came on both sides. You can get > a 45� angle or a 90� angle one. Again - aimed at hobbiests who are not about to > invest a lot of money in equipment. Handy, though. It makes a nice sturdy edge > to a small to middling sized panel. As a matter of fact, if you check out the > pricey commercial bevelled glass entry lights - inside halls and outside > porches/steps/patios, etc. (hanging or wall sentry types), you will discover > many of them are made with the brass came, and only soldered on the inside. > It's an amazement they don't fall apart, because there's no great amout of > soldering done. - Cec ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 2 09:01:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: neo.rr.com!cndylou1 From: "Candy Chester" To: "bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: light box Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 09:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@neo.rr.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13395.374FB9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which light box are you going to make, the one with the bricks or the = other=20 one? Barbara: Because I have never worked with a light box before, I will probably = make the one you described because it's the easiest in my mind anyway, = lol. this way I can play with it and see if I would want a larger one = or what ever. Everything is so new to me.....I can get carred away very = easily Candy ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13395.374FB9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Which light box are you going to = make, the one=20 with the bricks or the other
one?
Barbara:

Because I have never worked with a light box before, = I will=20 probably make the one you described because it's the easiest in my mind = anyway,=20 lol. this way I can play with it and see if I would want a larger = one or=20 what ever. Everything is so new to me.....I can get carred away = very=20 easily

Candy

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C13395.374FB9C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 2 13:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: gunnx4@home.com, Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: frames Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 11:23:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<3B922D27.7A11E927@home.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk We've been amazed at the prices charged and the poor workmanship, so I'm glad to know that they don't have some secret process I couldn't imagine. I certainly was happy I'd not bought any lighting like that before I knew glass. It's nice to know that what looks to be shoddy actually is. However, if correctly used, the hobby came is fine. It makes a nice strong. light weight edging for panels without overpowering the panel's dimensions. I only use lead if the entire piece is leaded, and it gets puttied as usual. However, most leaded panels use wider leading in the interior, so using the hobby wieght isn't proportional so it's not appropriate. It pretty much is limited to suncatchers, etc. Lead obviously has an advantage when the edges are not straight. Otherwise, when working with foil I use copper because it is so easy to work with, or brass for the color. And I don't putty the edges. What I do do is make certain I have a solid solder at the corners - a nice round bead, and solder at each junction of foil lines that meet the edge. Furthermore, I will have foiled the entire edge of the piece before inserting it into the came, which makes a very snug fit. If the piece is to be silver colored, I solder the entire came, and that bonds with the foil, so that's super strong. If I am going for a copper or brass color, I only do the junctures, just as you would with lead. If there is a long length at the edge where there is no run of foil coming out to the edge, I very carefully drizzle a little solder on the inside of the came to bond to the foil underneath - and probably on the back because you really don't want that one to show. I'll often hit the solder spots with copper plating if the piece is to look copper, but when using the brass I often leave it natural, since I like the pewter on brass look. When you want that solder to match the brass, I use one of those gold pens on the solder. - Cec Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Oh...but they *do* fall apart. > I've seen plenty of them come in for repair. > > Suzanne > > Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote: > > > > Hi Steve - It is 1/8 or 5/32 inch U channel - and I've seen it in copper, lead, > > brass, zinc. Copper is what is usually found around here because it is so much > > easier to cut, for hobbyists who aren't about to invest in a came saw. There is > > something called a Lil Notcher that notches the came on both sides. You can get > > a 45� angle or a 90� angle one. Again - aimed at hobbiests who are not about to > > invest a lot of money in equipment. Handy, though. It makes a nice sturdy edge > > to a small to middling sized panel. As a matter of fact, if you check out the > > pricey commercial bevelled glass entry lights - inside halls and outside > > porches/steps/patios, etc. (hanging or wall sentry types), you will discover > > many of them are made with the brass came, and only soldered on the inside. > > It's an amazement they don't fall apart, because there's no great amout of > > soldering done. - Cec ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 3 04:02:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10d.5311394.28c4bbe0_boundary" Subject: Re: Cement Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 06:56:32 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_10d.5311394.28c4bbe0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, About the cement. I started about the same way with the stones. I never did two pours as you did. Just one pour with 50/50 combination. I didn't like the color or the texture. I live in a cold area and anything I saw with topping mix chipped away. Use pure portland cement and fine grit sand blasting sand. This will give you a smooth texture. As far as the commercial products. I have used Flashcrete, Diamond Crete and Zee Stone. Product of choice is Zee Stone. Only cement designed for exterior use. I still seal with Thompsons and it comes in 26 different colors. And when I talked to the manufacturer another color is on its way. I do custom work and the customer has a larger choice of colors. There is one site for stone people. I have never tried it but here is the address: http://www.dmentd.com/folly/index.html . Good luck, Ken O Decroative Glass --part1_10d.5311394.28c4bbe0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All,

About the cement. I started about the same way with the stones. I never did
two pours as you did. Just one pour with 50/50 combination. I didn't like
the color or the texture. I live in a cold area and anything I saw with
topping mix chipped away. Use pure portland cement and fine grit sand
blasting sand. This will give you a smooth texture. As far as the commercial
products. I have used Flashcrete, Diamond Crete and Zee Stone. Product of
choice is Zee Stone. Only cement designed for exterior use. I still seal
with Thompsons and it comes in 26 different colors. And when I talked to the
manufacturer another color is on its way. I do custom work and the customer
has a larger choice of colors. There is one site for stone people. I have
never tried it but here is the address:
http://www.dmentd.com/folly/index.html .

Good luck,
Ken O
Decroative Glass --part1_10d.5311394.28c4bbe0_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 3 09:52:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!createglass From: "Larry ." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: glass painting Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 16:34:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a suggestion for glass paint? I would like to add a few details to some pieces I have created. I don't have a kiln with which to set the paint. (I'm assuming that's how it's normally done) I'd like an idea for some paint that I won't have to worry about chipping off 6 months after I've given it away. Thank you _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 3 18:00:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass painting Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:38:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Larry ." >I don't have a kiln with which to = set the paint. (I'm assuming that's how it's normally done) I'd like an idea for some paint that I won't have to worry about chipping= = off 6 months after I've given it away.< Then you are going to want to invest in a kiln, because properly fired glass paints (vitreous paints) are the only paints which will fufil your 2nd concern about the paint not chipping off 6 months after it's in its n= ew owners arms. You can get a small QuickFire kiln for doing the small-scal= e glass paint firing. Conversely, you might wish to consider just renting time in a local studio's kiln. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 4 07:04:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: kgs1.agric.za!CATHY From: "CATHY DE VILLIERS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:59:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@kgs1.agric.za> Organization: Small Grain Institute Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 4 10:30:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!glassgirl123 From: "Louise Armstrong" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: add to list Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:38:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Please add me to your list. Thank you Louise _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 4 11:20:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!glassgirl123 From: "Louise Armstrong" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: add to list Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 07:41:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Please add me to your list. Thank you Louise _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 4 19:28:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: auto.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: a dragon pattern Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk hi, this is for the person wanting a dragon pattern. http://homepage.mac.com/legg/dragon.html -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 5 03:10:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: kgs1.agric.za!CATHY From: "CATHY DE VILLIERS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:51:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@kgs1.agric.za> Organization: Small Grain Institute Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 5 08:01:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!glassgirl123 From: "Louise Armstrong" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Moving Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 07:52:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, New to the list with questions. I will be moving to the Orlando area in the couple of months and was wondering if any of you can recomend a good S.G. shop. The better the glass selection the more I like it. I have been doing stained glass for about 7 years or so and feel pretty confident about most projects. I recently tried the new Bear Solder and I really really like it. Has anyone else tried it yet and if so what do you think. Also My Taurus II seems to be going through blades at a faster rate than in previous years does anyone know if they have changed manufaturers and traded quality for economy. Nice to be here Louise _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 5 23:31:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:18:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: kgs1.agric.za!CATHY From: "CATHY DE VILLIERS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ADD MY NAME TO LIST Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:23:26 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@kgs1.agric.za> Organization: Small Grain Institute Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 6 03:01:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Mark Franzen , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: lead hand soap Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 03:20:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<010301c140b0$d3356c40$6262d2cc@hawaii.rr.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk There actually is an ingredient in both of those soaps which chemically bonds with heavy metals, rendering them inert, so they don't bond with you, which is not a healthy thing. It is a common substance, and someone with a chemistry background on this list said what it is, and apparently you could make your own, if you were of such an inclination. Still, I doubt if Dawn has that ingredient. - Cec Mark Franzen wrote: > Sounds good, but teh guy at D-Lead told me Dawn dish soap works just as > well, and it's a heck of a lot cheaper! > C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cecily & Ralph Wood" > To: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: lead hand soap > > > I've used it for years and like it. There is also a new one - Shepherd's > > - but it has hand softeners, etc. which is fine if you only use it for > > hands, but I use Sasha's on the glass itself - even clean my eyeglasses > > with it. - Cec > > > > "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" wrote: > > > > > I ordered a couple bottles of this soap and it seems great. 15.20 for 2 > > > 16oz. bottles. > > > they ship it and you send them a check. great service. > > > > > > http://www.sashas.net/soap_new.htm > > > > > > -- > > > ******************************************************** > > > Thank You > > > Robin Ellison > > > Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com > > > 1-888-977-1999 > > > Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! > > > Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for > > > the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating > > > systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting > > > and maintenance at a reasonable cost. > > > AOL FRIENDLY LINK > > > Auto And Parts > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 6 13:32:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Welcome to bungi Kathy Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Welcome Kathy to bungi Is that a Zambian email address? or is it South Africa? I dont think we have many members in your part of the world but perhaps those who are in Africa could say hello in case they are near your location? At one time the 'protocol' was for new members to be asked to let the rest of us know a bit about themselves and where they live to start to make friendships but this seems to have died out. We are in England on the south coast - just to the left and 'above' the Isle of Wight (the diamond shaped island off the coast near Southampton)on the map. We have been doing stained glass for over 20 years and have a retail supplies shop, commission studio and teaching centre here. Have you been 'glassing' for long? Regards EliZabeth (large letter Z to avoid confusing with the other EliSabeth (the viking) who spells her name with an S) Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 6 13:36:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Moving Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:16:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk At 07:52 05/09/01 -0400, Louise wrote: >I will be moving to the Orlando area in the couple of months and was >wondering if any of you can recomend a good S.G. shop. The better the glass >selection the more I like it. Is that anywhere near Fort Lauderdale? If so go and see Bob and Evelyn Martinez at Glass By Design 4200 S University Dr Ft. Lauderdale Florida (FL) 33328 Tel(954)723-9433 glassbydes@aol.com http://www.stainedglassbydesign.com I know them through the retailers association (RAGS) and they seem to have a good range and lots of expertise to offer customers, Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth (England) Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 6 14:01:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: auto.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: lead cleaning soap recipe Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk --------------3B73BD6674FDD65FCFF3E5EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cleaning Procedures to Reduce Lead Dust in Your House Because ordinary vacuuming or sweeping spreads lead dust, always clean up dust and paint chips with wet mops or rags. Sponge mops work better than rag or string mops. When sweeping, drag dust with a damp broom. Clean surfaces such as window sills and wells by wiping with a wet rag wrung from a warm water solution containing 1/4 cup of a high phosphate cleaner (such as trisodium phosphate, (check label for at least 6 percent phosphate content) available through hardware or paint stores) or an automatic dishwasher detergent with phosphate content above 6 percent (such as All�, Cascade�, Electrasol� and Sunlight�) to one gallon water.To avoid possible skin irritation, wear rubber gloves. Multipurpose cleaners do not contain phosphates and are not effective in cleaning lead dust. Wash mops thoroughly after each use to prevent recontamination of cleaned surfaces. Do this twice a week. Dispose of rags after use. If wooden window frames are badly chipping, keep the bottom half closed and open the top half for fresh air. Throw out old, soiled carpets or cover with a clean area rug (machine washable are best). If you work with lead, wash work clothes separately from family wash. All purpose household cleaner: mix 1 teaspoon liquid soap, 1 teaspoon of TSP and 1 quart of warm water. trisodium phosphate is the bonding agent. can get at hardware store. -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts --------------3B73BD6674FDD65FCFF3E5EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cleaning Procedures to Reduce Lead Dust in Your House

Because ordinary vacuuming or sweeping spreads lead dust, always clean up dust and paint chips with wet mops or rags. Sponge mops work better than rag or
     string mops. When sweeping, drag dust with a damp broom.
     Clean surfaces such as window sills and wells by wiping with a wet rag wrung from a warm water solution containing 1/4 cup of a high phosphate cleaner (such as
     trisodium phosphate, (check label for at least 6 percent phosphate content) available through hardware or paint stores) or an automatic dishwasher detergent with
     phosphate content above 6 percent (such as AllÆ, CascadeÆ, ElectrasolÆ and SunlightÆ) to one gallon water.To avoid possible skin irritation, wear rubber gloves.
     Multipurpose cleaners do not contain phosphates and are not effective in cleaning lead dust. Wash mops thoroughly after each use to prevent recontamination of
     cleaned surfaces. Do this twice a week. Dispose of rags after use.
     If wooden window frames are badly chipping, keep the bottom half closed and open the top half for fresh air.
     Throw out old, soiled carpets or cover with a clean area rug (machine washable are best).
     If you work with lead, wash work clothes separately from family wash.

All purpose household cleaner: mix 1 teaspoon liquid soap, 1 teaspoon of TSP and
1 quart of warm water. trisodium phosphate is the bonding agent. can get at
hardware store.

please add me ..thanks=20 ..Neil

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C136E8.F925C840-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 6 22:26:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:05:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: mindspring.com!sonyaamt From: sonyaamt@mindspring.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re: Moving Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk No Ft. Lauderdale is at least 4 hours South of Orlando. "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" wrote: > At 07:52 05/09/01 -0400, Louise wrote: >I will be moving to the Orlando area in the couple of months and was >wondering if any of you can recomend a good S.G. shop. The better the glass >selection the more I like it. Is that anywhere near Fort Lauderdale? If so go and see Bob and Evelyn Martinez at Glass By Design 4200 S University Dr Ft. Lauderdale Florida (FL) 33328 Tel(954)723-9433 glassbydes@aol.com http://www.stainedglassbydesign.com I know them through the retailers association (RAGS) and they seem to have a good range and lots of expertise to offer customers, Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth (England) Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 7 03:03:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 02:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5B9379C2; boundary="=======2F5644E9=======" Subject: cutter Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906203016.00a02a10@mail> Precedence: bulk --=======2F5644E9======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5B9379C2; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This sounds like a simple question but I've always wondered.. I use a pencil type glass cutter with the oil in the barrel. Do I loosen the top of the cutter to help with the oil flow while cutting or just always keep the top screw tightened?? Lorley --=======2F5644E9=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 7 07:30:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5B9379C2; boundary="=======2BA94DA1=======" Subject: jeep Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:30:10 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010906202923.00a00be0@mail> Precedence: bulk --=======2BA94DA1======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5B9379C2; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Was going to do a stained glass fish for my significant other and found out he wants a SG Jeep instead. Any idea for where to find a pattern? Lorley --=======2BA94DA1=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 7 10:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutter Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk At 20:31 06/09/01 -0700, Lorley wrote: >This sounds like a simple question but I've always wondered.. I use a >pencil type glass cutter with the oil in the barrel. Do I loosen the top of >the cutter to help with the oil flow while cutting or just always keep the >top screw tightened?? The theory used to be that you loosen the top if you need to increase flow - but many cutters nowadays have a 'breather' hole and with that you are supposed to keep the screw cap tightened up. Many of us have given up on trying to get the flow right and dont put oil in the handle at all but keep it stored upright in a jar (or the Morton cutter caddy if you have the board) with a rag soaked in oil at the bottom of it. Thus each time you replace the cutter you are oiling the wheel. This is useful if you have to cart your tools about as it means there is no oil in the handle to leak out all over the box!! I have heard that some people never use any lubricant at all - but I am not sure why not. Regard EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 7 11:27:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re: Moving Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:36:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk We have two shops in Sarasota, about 2 1/2 hours southwest of Orlando if that is any help. One has a website http://www.glasscrafters.com/ The other (the Stained Glass Connection) has a growing selection of beautiful art glass. There is another shop on the east coast in Cocoa that will make you absolutely weak in the knees (Art Glass House) but unfortunately they only sell wholesale as far as I know, and you have to have a tax ID number or whatever it is that proves you are a pro. You might go to your local library and see if they have a phone book for Orlando, and look in the yellow pages. Sorry I don't know much of anything about things over there. Kris (Sarasota, FL) > No Ft. Lauderdale is at least 4 hours South of Orlando. > "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" wrote: > > At 07:52 05/09/01 -0400, Louise wrote: > > >I will be moving to the Orlando area in the couple of months and was > >wondering if any of you can recomend a good S.G. shop. The better the glass > >selection the more I like it. > > Is that anywhere near Fort Lauderdale? > If so go and see Bob and Evelyn Martinez at Glass By Design > 4200 S University Dr > Ft. Lauderdale > Florida (FL) 33328 > Tel(954)723-9433 > glassbydes@aol.com > http://www.stainedglassbydesign.com > > I know them through the retailers association (RAGS) and they seem to have a > good range and lots of expertise to offer customers, > > Regards > EliZabeth in Bournemouth (England) > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > UK Charter Member RAGS > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 7 14:01:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: auto.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: orlando shops and link to all us shops Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 16:21:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk --------------B7C04CA769D21AD8582DC625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.thestorefinder.com/glass/glass_sr.html this is great! Visions In Stained Glass 3703 Bayview Drive Orlando 407-438-5733 Art Glass & Doors, Inc. 1486 Seminole Blvd. #6 Orlando 407-699-1987 Glass Addicts ( next city over) 108 S. Park Ave. Sanford 407-324-5636 -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts --------------B7C04CA769D21AD8582DC625 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.thestorefinder.com/glass/glass_sr.html this is great!

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------=_NextPart_000_0127_01C1384D.096907C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 08:20:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: quixnet.net!carolmac From: "Carol McEvoy" To: "francis ikem" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Confidential Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:32:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@quixnet.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk Do not send me any thing like this again. This is not what glass@bungi.com should be used for. I do not appreciate your messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "francis ikem" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Confidential > TOPMOST URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL > > > DR.BEN EDO 07/09/2001 > LAGOS-NIGERIA > ATT: THE PRESIDENT/CEO > > > REF: REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS EXECUTION. > > > AFTER THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AT THE FOREIGN OFFICE OF > NIGERIA CHAMBER OF > COMMERCE, WE WRITE WITH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN THE > LEGALITY OF YOUR COMPANY AND > > > THE INTERGRITY OF YOUR PERSON ESSENTIALLY THE BUSINESS > WE ARE ABOUT TO COMMENCE > IS FUNDAMENTALLY BASED ON SHEER TRUST AND SENSE OF > PURPOSE. > > FOR SUCCINT INTRODUCTION, WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE > CONTRACT REVIEWING PANEL > (CRP) OF THE FEDERAL CAPITAL TERRITORY (FCT) ABUJA, > THE SETTING UP OF OUR > COMMITTEE WAS NECESSITATED BY THE FLAWS AND BLATANT > ABUSE OF THE LAST MILITARY > REGIME WHICH AWARDED CONTRACTS AT INCREDIBLY INFLATED > COST . > TENACIOUS EFFORTS AND WELL EXPENDED ENERGY AND > EXPENCE, WE WERE ABLE TO RECTIFY > THESE FLAWS AND TO PAY THE CONTRACTORS THEIR RIGHTLY > DUES AT THE END OF THEIR > ARDIOUS EXERCISE A SUM OF US$25.5M(TWENTY FIVE > MILLION.FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND > UNITED STATE DOLLARS ONLY) WAS LEFT IN SUSENSE ACCOUNT > AT THE CENTRAL BANK OF > NIGERIAL(CBN) DUE TO THE INITIAL INFLATED COST BASED > ON CONTRACT NO:FGN > /NNPC/LNG-PED1025-97 FUND SECURITY NO:CBN000CC38. > > HOWEVER, THE CHECKED POLITICAL TRANSITION IN THE > COUNTRY HAS DIVERTED ATTENTION > FROM THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RESOLVED THAT THE ABOVE > MENTIONED SUM BE > DISBURSED AMONG MEMBERS EQUITABLY. > > THIS PRECISELY IS WHY WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE SINCE > THIS MONEY HAS TO BE PAID > INTO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT FROM THE C.B.N WE SOLICIT YOUR > ASSISTANCE WITH AN > UNFLINCHING FAITH THAT YOU WOULD NOT BETRAY US. > > SHARE: WITH YOUR ABILITY IN THE TRANSACTION, YOU ARE > ENTITLED TO 25%, I AND MY > COLLEAGUE WILL HAVE 70%, WHILE THE REMAINING 5% IS TO > TAKE PART DURING THE > COURSE OF THE TRANSACTION. > > MODUS OPERANDUM: TO ENABLE US PUT CLAIMS AND INVOICE > FOR THE PAYMENT INTO > YOUR ACCOUNT, REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BY EMAIL. > > (1) YOUR BANK PARTICULARS (NAME, ADDRESS, FAX > &ACCOUNT NUMBER OF YOUR BANK) > (2)YOUR PRIVATE PHONE AND FAX NUMBER TO REACH YOU > DURING AND AFTER BUSINESS > HOURS. > > THIS INFORMATION WILL BE USED FOR JOB DESCRIPTION AND > FOLLOW UP LETTERS OF > CLAIMS THROUGH NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM > CORPORATION(NNPC), IT WILL INTEREST > YOU TO NOTE THAT THE TRANSFER WILL COMMENCE AND > COMPLETED WITH SEVEN (7) BANK > WORKING DAYS FROM THE DAY WE RECEIVE THE ABOVE > MENTIONED INFORMATIONS. > > PLEASE TREAT THIS MATTER WITH UTMOST AND > CONFIDENTIALITY AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO > YOUR QUICK RESPOND. > > YOUR SINCERELY, > > DR.BEN EDO > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 08:32:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 08:04:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: jeep Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:19:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Lorley Oneyear >Was going to do a stained glass fish for my significant other and found out = he wants a SG Jeep instead. Any idea for where to find a pattern? Lorley<= Go to a Jeep dealership and ask for one of their color sales brochures on= the Jeep your S.O. wants. They will be more than happy to part with a brochure to a happy client. Then use the brochure for making your patter= n. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 13:29:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17.1b3c70af.28cbc21e_boundary" Subject: Re: Jeep Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:49:02 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_17.1b3c70af.28cbc21e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Debbie, I'm using an Epson Stylus 500 and that feature is in the printer software. Maybe check your printer manual and see if your printer has that feature. Let me know what kind of printer you have besides my Epson I have access to Lexmark and HP. I might be able to help. Have a good one, Ken O. --part1_17.1b3c70af.28cbc21e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Debbie,

I'm using an Epson Stylus 500 and that feature is in the printer software.
Maybe check your printer manual and see if your printer has that feature. Let
me know what kind of printer you have besides my Epson I have access to
Lexmark and HP. I might be able to help.

Have a good one,

Ken O.

--part1_17.1b3c70af.28cbc21e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 15:36:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Confidential Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:11:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Several members have been upset by the nigerian Spam message that slipped through on to bungi - but all you need to do is trash the message and ignore it. This is a con-trick that we receive several times a year from many different email addresses - they change it all the time, so there is no way of blocking htem from the list! Ten years ago they used to send them by post to business addresses culled from international business directories, then by fax from similar sources, and for the last couple of years they obvoiusly just send them to any email addresses they find on the net. We used to pass their letters and faxes to the police for the fraud squad to deal with, but on the net you cant really do anything about it except report them to their isp (abuse@whatevertheisp.com) We got a few responses saying the isp could not trace them as clients so now just put the letters into the trash bin! Just dont make the mistake of letting them have your bank account details!! That is what they are after - then they overdraw your account and you are left with unrecoverable debts!! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 16:37:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: legal.com!0032224 From: glass@bungi.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="DEFAULT" Subject: Your Ad Time:12:22:45 PM Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:22:45 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@bungi.com> Precedence: bulk Hi, I noticed your well done ad in classifieds. As a PPL associate I'd like to introduce myself and maybe compare notes. If you'd like to do so please email me at info@free-law-central.com Meanwhile check out my site that I and many other associates are using to gain a large volume of names due to the SEM system and popup windows that follow the visitor as he navigates the normal PPL site. Here's some URLs to check out... Home page w/popup http://www.free-law-central.com Associate recruiting page http://www.free-law-central.com/associate_lead.htm Focus advertising page http://www.free-law-central.com/free_will.htm Our associate's support site http://www.officialinfo.net To your success J.R. Orsoni 954-566-5175 P.S. If you ever want to chat live go to: http://www.free-law-central.com/associate_talk.htm 8/9/01 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 16:46:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: legal.com!0032224 From: glass@bungi.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="DEFAULT" Subject: Your Ad Time:11:27:17 AM Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:27:17 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@bungi.com> Precedence: bulk Hi, I noticed your well done ad in classifieds. As a PPL associate I'd like to introduce myself and maybe compare notes. If you'd like to do so please email me at info@free-law-central.com Meanwhile check out my site that I and many other associates are using to gain a large volume of names due to the SEM system and popup windows that follow the visitor as he navigates the normal PPL site. Here's some URLs to check out... Home page w/popup http://www.free-law-central.com Associate recruiting page http://www.free-law-central.com/associate_lead.htm Focus advertising page http://www.free-law-central.com/free_will.htm Our associate's support site http://www.officialinfo.net To your success J.R. Orsoni 954-566-5175 P.S. If you ever want to chat live go to: http://www.free-law-central.com/associate_talk.htm 8/9/01 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 17:33:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.1a5792ae.28cc0c7d_boundary" Subject: Re: Your Ad Time:11:27:17 AM Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 20:06:21 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_c8.1a5792ae.28cc0c7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Please remove me from your list --part1_c8.1a5792ae.28cc0c7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

Please remove me from your list --part1_c8.1a5792ae.28cc0c7d_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 19:34:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: mindspring.com!sonyaamt From: "Sonya Amt" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Confidential Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@quixnet.net>> Precedence: bulk Do you not understand that bungi cannot control everything that is posted and this message is probably from a non-bungi member? Just take it with a grain of salt. -----Original Message----- From: Carol McEvoy [mailto:carolmac@quixnet.net] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:33 PM To: francis ikem Subject: Re: Confidential Do not send me any thing like this again. This is not what glass@bungi.com should be used for. I do not appreciate your messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "francis ikem" To: Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Confidential > TOPMOST URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL > > > DR.BEN EDO 07/09/2001 > LAGOS-NIGERIA > ATT: THE PRESIDENT/CEO > > > REF: REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS EXECUTION. > > > AFTER THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AT THE FOREIGN OFFICE OF > NIGERIA CHAMBER OF > COMMERCE, WE WRITE WITH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN THE > LEGALITY OF YOUR COMPANY AND > > > THE INTERGRITY OF YOUR PERSON ESSENTIALLY THE BUSINESS > WE ARE ABOUT TO COMMENCE > IS FUNDAMENTALLY BASED ON SHEER TRUST AND SENSE OF > PURPOSE. > > FOR SUCCINT INTRODUCTION, WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE > CONTRACT REVIEWING PANEL > (CRP) OF THE FEDERAL CAPITAL TERRITORY (FCT) ABUJA, > THE SETTING UP OF OUR > COMMITTEE WAS NECESSITATED BY THE FLAWS AND BLATANT > ABUSE OF THE LAST MILITARY > REGIME WHICH AWARDED CONTRACTS AT INCREDIBLY INFLATED > COST . > TENACIOUS EFFORTS AND WELL EXPENDED ENERGY AND > EXPENCE, WE WERE ABLE TO RECTIFY > THESE FLAWS AND TO PAY THE CONTRACTORS THEIR RIGHTLY > DUES AT THE END OF THEIR > ARDIOUS EXERCISE A SUM OF US$25.5M(TWENTY FIVE > MILLION.FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND > UNITED STATE DOLLARS ONLY) WAS LEFT IN SUSENSE ACCOUNT > AT THE CENTRAL BANK OF > NIGERIAL(CBN) DUE TO THE INITIAL INFLATED COST BASED > ON CONTRACT NO:FGN > /NNPC/LNG-PED1025-97 FUND SECURITY NO:CBN000CC38. > > HOWEVER, THE CHECKED POLITICAL TRANSITION IN THE > COUNTRY HAS DIVERTED ATTENTION > FROM THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RESOLVED THAT THE ABOVE > MENTIONED SUM BE > DISBURSED AMONG MEMBERS EQUITABLY. > > THIS PRECISELY IS WHY WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE SINCE > THIS MONEY HAS TO BE PAID > INTO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT FROM THE C.B.N WE SOLICIT YOUR > ASSISTANCE WITH AN > UNFLINCHING FAITH THAT YOU WOULD NOT BETRAY US. > > SHARE: WITH YOUR ABILITY IN THE TRANSACTION, YOU ARE > ENTITLED TO 25%, I AND MY > COLLEAGUE WILL HAVE 70%, WHILE THE REMAINING 5% IS TO > TAKE PART DURING THE > COURSE OF THE TRANSACTION. > > MODUS OPERANDUM: TO ENABLE US PUT CLAIMS AND INVOICE > FOR THE PAYMENT INTO > YOUR ACCOUNT, REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BY EMAIL. > > (1) YOUR BANK PARTICULARS (NAME, ADDRESS, FAX > &ACCOUNT NUMBER OF YOUR BANK) > (2)YOUR PRIVATE PHONE AND FAX NUMBER TO REACH YOU > DURING AND AFTER BUSINESS > HOURS. > > THIS INFORMATION WILL BE USED FOR JOB DESCRIPTION AND > FOLLOW UP LETTERS OF > CLAIMS THROUGH NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM > CORPORATION(NNPC), IT WILL INTEREST > YOU TO NOTE THAT THE TRANSFER WILL COMMENCE AND > COMPLETED WITH SEVEN (7) BANK > WORKING DAYS FROM THE DAY WE RECEIVE THE ABOVE > MENTIONED INFORMATIONS. > > PLEASE TREAT THIS MATTER WITH UTMOST AND > CONFIDENTIALITY AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO > YOUR QUICK RESPOND. > > YOUR SINCERELY, > > DR.BEN EDO > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 21:35:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: metrolink.net!mookie From: Chris Campbell To: UserDusty@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Your Ad Time:11:27:17 AM Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@metrolink.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Please remove my name from your list ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 22:06:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:56:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Chris Campbell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Your Ad Time:11:27:17 AM Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 23:52:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@metrolink.net>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk If you are requesting to be taken off bungi please note: For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com If you are asking the spammer to take you off your list, you are only confirming your email address to them. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 8 23:31:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 23:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: cybernex.net!tonyk From: "Tony K" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Spam Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 19:53:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cybernex.net> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I can't see why people get so upset about spam. It's almost impossible to filter out 100% and I think that Bungi does a great job of eliminating most of the nonsense but some will get through. If it does use your delete button. Bungi had been a great resource to me and if something like this occasionally come through (Nigerian oil scam), then it is a small price to pay. JMHO. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 9 11:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: juno.com!pkinnetz From: Peggy L Kinnetz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: recipe for lead soap Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@juno.com> Precedence: bulk Could the person ( My delete finger was too fast for my eye to catch the name) who sent the recipe (I assume it was a recipe) please send it again in plain text-- all I got was a blank screen. My appreciation and thanks in advance. . . . Peggy K. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 9 12:36:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Confidential (NG) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:51:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk This maybe needs to be reiterated: This is not just spam - broadcast advertising via the internet. This is an actual scam - someone out to take money from the gullible (in this case the greedy gullible), who get nothing in return except maybe a little wiser and a little poorer. And, as noted earlier this one started out long before the internet, doing it in person, and by post office. This one is known as The Nigerian Scam, It is rather interesting to watch the tiny details change as it comes and comes and comes. This is an outright fraud - there is no underlying non-profit organization which gets some minimal benefit, the way some of the religious, orphanage, disease of the month type of appeals scams are organized, where the majority of the money goes to the money raising people with a miniscule amount going to a so-called non-profit organization. An interesting thing about fraud and scams. The people most apt to be taken in are the young and the old, the naive and the greedy. Research has shown that one of the last developmental skills in children to young adults is a sense of consequence, and when mental impairment begins as people get older, one of the first things to go is the ability to choose wisely. You've all seen that - the little old couple in the grocery store and one of them says "Lets get this." and the other says "You don't like that - you've never liked that". - Cec Sonya Amt wrote: > Do you not understand that bungi cannot control everything that is posted > and this message is probably from a non-bungi member? Just take it with a > grain of salt. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol McEvoy [mailto:carolmac@quixnet.net] > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:33 PM > To: francis ikem > Subject: Re: Confidential > > Do not send me any thing like this again. This is not what glass@bungi.com > should be used for. I do not appreciate your messages. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "francis ikem" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:27 AM > Subject: Confidential > > > TOPMOST URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL > > > > > > DR.BEN EDO 07/09/2001 > > LAGOS-NIGERIA > > ATT: THE PRESIDENT/CEO > > > > > > REF: REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS EXECUTION. > > > > > > AFTER THOROUGH INVESTIGATION AT THE FOREIGN OFFICE OF > > NIGERIA CHAMBER OF > > COMMERCE, WE WRITE WITH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN THE > > LEGALITY OF YOUR COMPANY AND > > > > > > THE INTERGRITY OF YOUR PERSON ESSENTIALLY THE BUSINESS > > WE ARE ABOUT TO COMMENCE > > IS FUNDAMENTALLY BASED ON SHEER TRUST AND SENSE OF > > PURPOSE. > > > > FOR SUCCINT INTRODUCTION, WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE > > CONTRACT REVIEWING PANEL > > (CRP) OF THE FEDERAL CAPITAL TERRITORY (FCT) ABUJA, > > THE SETTING UP OF OUR > > COMMITTEE WAS NECESSITATED BY THE FLAWS AND BLATANT > > ABUSE OF THE LAST MILITARY > > REGIME WHICH AWARDED CONTRACTS AT INCREDIBLY INFLATED > > COST . > > TENACIOUS EFFORTS AND WELL EXPENDED ENERGY AND > > EXPENCE, WE WERE ABLE TO RECTIFY > > THESE FLAWS AND TO PAY THE CONTRACTORS THEIR RIGHTLY > > DUES AT THE END OF THEIR > > ARDIOUS EXERCISE A SUM OF US$25.5M(TWENTY FIVE > > MILLION.FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND > > UNITED STATE DOLLARS ONLY) WAS LEFT IN SUSENSE ACCOUNT > > AT THE CENTRAL BANK OF > > NIGERIAL(CBN) DUE TO THE INITIAL INFLATED COST BASED > > ON CONTRACT NO:FGN > > /NNPC/LNG-PED1025-97 FUND SECURITY NO:CBN000CC38. > > > > HOWEVER, THE CHECKED POLITICAL TRANSITION IN THE > > COUNTRY HAS DIVERTED ATTENTION > > FROM THE COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY RESOLVED THAT THE ABOVE > > MENTIONED SUM BE > > DISBURSED AMONG MEMBERS EQUITABLY. > > > > THIS PRECISELY IS WHY WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE SINCE > > THIS MONEY HAS TO BE PAID > > INTO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT FROM THE C.B.N WE SOLICIT YOUR > > ASSISTANCE WITH AN > > UNFLINCHING FAITH THAT YOU WOULD NOT BETRAY US. > > > > SHARE: WITH YOUR ABILITY IN THE TRANSACTION, YOU ARE > > ENTITLED TO 25%, I AND MY > > COLLEAGUE WILL HAVE 70%, WHILE THE REMAINING 5% IS TO > > TAKE PART DURING THE > > COURSE OF THE TRANSACTION. > > > > MODUS OPERANDUM: TO ENABLE US PUT CLAIMS AND INVOICE > > FOR THE PAYMENT INTO > > YOUR ACCOUNT, REQUIRE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS BY EMAIL. > > > > (1) YOUR BANK PARTICULARS (NAME, ADDRESS, FAX > > &ACCOUNT NUMBER OF YOUR BANK) > > (2)YOUR PRIVATE PHONE AND FAX NUMBER TO REACH YOU > > DURING AND AFTER BUSINESS > > HOURS. > > > > THIS INFORMATION WILL BE USED FOR JOB DESCRIPTION AND > > FOLLOW UP LETTERS OF > > CLAIMS THROUGH NIGERIA NATIONAL PETROLEUM > > CORPORATION(NNPC), IT WILL INTEREST > > YOU TO NOTE THAT THE TRANSFER WILL COMMENCE AND > > COMPLETED WITH SEVEN (7) BANK > > WORKING DAYS FROM THE DAY WE RECEIVE THE ABOVE > > MENTIONED INFORMATIONS. > > > > PLEASE TREAT THIS MATTER WITH UTMOST AND > > CONFIDENTIALITY AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO > > YOUR QUICK RESPOND. > > > > YOUR SINCERELY, > > > > DR.BEN EDO > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Sep 9 14:38:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: psouth.net!mail From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Virus / harmful content found in EMail Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 16:23:44 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk An EMail directed to you, with subject 'Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!', from <>, contained a virus or other harmful content. Do NOT reply to this e-mail. Contact the original sender of the message (mailto:<>) to resolve this issue. -- Message generated by exiscan 1.00 http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 10 15:09:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: auto.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: lead soap recipe Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:47:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk Cleaning Procedures to Reduce Lead Dust in Your House Because ordinary vacuuming or sweeping spreads lead dust, always clean up dust and paint chips with wet mops or rags. Sponge mops work better than rag or string mops. When sweeping, drag dust with a damp broom. Clean surfaces such as window sills and wells by wiping with a wet rag wrung from a warm water solution containing 1/4 cup of a high phosphate cleaner (such as trisodium phosphate, (check label for at least 6 percent phosphate content) available through hardware or paint stores) or an automatic dishwasher detergent with phosphate content above 6 percent (such as All�, Cascade�, Electrasol� and Sunlight�) to one gallon water.To avoid possible skin irritation, wear rubber gloves. Multipurpose cleaners do not contain phosphates and are not effective in cleaning lead dust. Wash mops thoroughly after each use to prevent recontamination of cleaned surfaces. Do this twice a week. Dispose of rags after use. If wooden window frames are badly chipping, keep the bottom half closed and open the top half for fresh air. Throw out old, soiled carpets or cover with a clean area rug (machine washable are best). If you work with lead, wash work clothes separately from family wash. All purpose household cleaner: mix 1 teaspoon liquid soap, 1 teaspoon of TSP and 1 quart of warm water. trisodium phosphate is the bonding agent. can get at hardware store. -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 10 20:39:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!glassgirl123 From: "Louise Armstrong" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Orlando Stores Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Thank you to everyone who respoded to my inquiry regarding my move to Orlando. I did go down this weekend to look for a house and while I was there I checked out the stores on Saturday. For my money I believe Skip's store "Southern Exposure" in Winter Garden is the winner. The store is very clean, he has a large, and I mean large selection of glass on hand to choose from,Youghiogheny, Spectrum, Wismach, Uroborus, Chicago Art, Bullseye. You name and he probably has it. He says he can get most anything within a week, which for some of my sepcial order requests I find very exciting. His prices where a little better on most items as well. Well thanks again for all the information. See you in a bout 2 weeks Louise _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Sep 10 22:08:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: lvcm.com!ejr929 From: "Ed Rogers" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Finding Pictures for Patterns Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@lvcm.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C13A0D.06A2C140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From time to time I see requests for pictures of jeeps, or dragons, or = any other object for which patterns are not readily available. Here's = what you can do..... Go to: http://images.google.com/. Type in whatever you would like a = picture of, and you'll be amazed at the number of images which appear. = Just one example -- I typed in "Jeep" and got better than 650 images. = They're not patterns, of course, but at least you get pictures of what = you want, and from there can make your own pattern. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D E-mail from: Ed Rogers=20 EJR929@LVCM.COM =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C13A0D.06A2C140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From time to time I see = requests for=20 pictures of jeeps, or dragons, or any other object for which patterns = are not=20 readily available. Here's what you can = do.....

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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C13A0D.06A2C140-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 11 10:31:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: auto.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: whiting or saw dust question Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk hi everyone, how long do in need to leave whiting or sawdust on the cement for before i flip and do other side? thanks -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 11 12:11:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Disaster Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:05:45 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Aloha all, I wish to extend my concerns and sympathy to all those involved in the disaster in NYC and Washington and all those who were involved in the plane crashes. This is a horrible event and I send my prayers to all those out there. God Bless. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 11 17:06:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: whiting or saw dust question Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:38:58 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" >hi everyone, how long do in need to leave whiting or sawdust on the cement for before i flip and do other side? thanks< As long as it takes you to scrape the excess off your hands and turn it over. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 11 18:03:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: heesun.com!robert From: To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Disaster Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:37:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@heesun.com> References: <> Precedence: bulk I would also like to encourage everyone to PLEASE go to your nearest Red Cross and give blood...in the US call 1800 GIVE LIFE to locate the nearest donation center or go to www.redcross.org and check there, we waited 4-1/2 hours today with our 5 year old daughter and about 200 + others including the Lieutenant Gov. of MD and a Baltimore Raven..... We will keep all in our prayers. Robert Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. 324 Main Street Reisterstown , MD 21136 410-833-3007 info@heesun.com sales@heesun.com http://www.heesun.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenna Rand" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Disaster > Aloha all, > > I wish to extend my concerns and sympathy to all those involved in > the disaster in NYC and Washington and all those who were involved > in the plane crashes. This is a horrible event and I send my prayers to > all those out there. God Bless. > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 11 18:07:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 17:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: dca.net!brambo From: "Betsy Rambo" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@dca.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C139F2.32D6EEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please remove me from your list. 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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C139F2.32D6EEA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 11 21:06:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Disaster (NG) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@heesun.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Call first. At 5:30 this evening the Columbia blood center was on page 7 of 53 pages of people lined up to donate. Cec robert@heesun.com wrote: > I would also like to encourage everyone to PLEASE go to your nearest Red > Cross and give blood...in the US call 1800 GIVE LIFE to locate the nearest > donation center or go to www.redcross.org and check there, we waited 4-1/2 > hours today with our 5 year old daughter and about 200 + others including > the Lieutenant Gov. of MD and a Baltimore Raven..... > > We will keep all in our prayers. > > Robert > Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. > 324 Main Street > Reisterstown , MD 21136 > 410-833-3007 > info@heesun.com > sales@heesun.com > http://www.heesun.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenna Rand" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:05 PM > Subject: Disaster > > > Aloha all, > > > > I wish to extend my concerns and sympathy to all those involved in > > the disaster in NYC and Washington and all those who were involved > > in the plane crashes. This is a horrible event and I send my prayers to > > all those out there. God Bless. > > > > > > -- > > Glenna Rand > > gjr@bungi.com > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 12 12:23:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: dca.net!brambo From: "Betsy Rambo" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@dca.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C13B8A.1AD81920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please remove me from your e-mail list. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C13B8A.1AD81920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C13B8A.1AD81920-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 12 14:30:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Subject: cutter (without oil) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 22:16:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Elizabeth. I have two cutters (well to be honest more than that) that I use for different purposes. Bohle have come out with a new brass barrel narrow head cutter that I keep oiled. If the top is screwed down tightly it does not leak unless the head is depressed, as that opens the valve to let out some oil onto the wheel. I like this one very much. It is my preferred cutter for general work. I have another cutter that I have no oil in the barrel. This is the one I use when cutting glass that is to be fused. I have enough trouble getting and keeping the glass really clean before fusing, without adding oil to the problem. This cutter does not seem to have suffered from the lack of oil. Other cutters are used when I am on site. First, because I tend to loose them on site work; second because they get much rougher treatment on site. All of these cutters are the barrel type that have a hollow for receiving oil. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk>, studio@stainedglass.co.uk writes >At 20:31 06/09/01 -0700, Lorley wrote: >>This sounds like a simple question but I've always wondered.. I use a >>pencil type glass cutter with the oil in the barrel. Do I loosen the top of >>the cutter to help with the oil flow while cutting or just always keep the >>top screw tightened?? > >The theory used to be that you loosen the top if you need to increase flow - >but many cutters nowadays have a 'breather' hole and with that you are >supposed to keep the screw cap tightened up. > >Many of us have given up on trying to get the flow right and dont put oil in >the handle at all but keep it stored upright in a jar (or the Morton cutter >caddy if you have the board) with a rag soaked in oil at the bottom of it. >Thus each time you replace the cutter you are oiling the wheel. >This is useful if you have to cart your tools about as it means there is no >oil in the handle to leak out all over the box!! > >I have heard that some people never use any lubricant at all - but I am not >sure why not. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 12 15:37:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Plantastics6159 From: Plantastics6159@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Google Image site and Prayers and Blessing to All Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:47:55 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, As all of you, my prayers go out to those people who have suffered deeply from this national tragedy. May God bless and heal our broken country and justice be served on those who are guilty. Well, I did enjoy the Google Image site for a moment. I have erased the address by accident and would appreciate who ever sent it to the group to please provide it again. Many thanks, Cyndie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 12 16:41:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: earthlink.net!kremmert From: "Kurt Remmert" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Google Image site and Prayers and Blessing to All Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@earthlink.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Try http://www.google.com/advanced_search This is the advance search site where you can specify that you are looking for images. Kurt San Antonio, TX -----Original Message----- From: Plantastics6159@aol.com [mailto:Plantastics6159@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:48 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Google Image site and Prayers and Blessing to All Hello everyone, As all of you, my prayers go out to those people who have suffered deeply from this national tragedy. May God bless and heal our broken country and justice be served on those who are guilty. Well, I did enjoy the Google Image site for a moment. I have erased the address by accident and would appreciate who ever sent it to the group to please provide it again. Many thanks, Cyndie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 12 20:43:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!JzzyGlass From: JzzyGlass@aol.com To: JzzyGlass@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8a.c777f0d.28d1829e_boundary" Subject: Editorial from Canada Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:31:42 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_8a.c777f0d.28d1829e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: WE SHOULD BE PROUD TO BE .......... AN AMERICAN TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 5 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering America. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japan technology, and you get radios. You talk about German technology, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technology, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!! This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. --part1_8a.c777f0d.28d1829e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: WE SHOULD BE PROUD TO BE .......... AN AMERICAN

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.

America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial
news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial
broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian
television Commentator.

What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan
and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted
out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in
debts. None of these countries is today paying even
the interest on its remaining debts to the United
States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was
the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was
to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I
was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help. This spring, 5 American
communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions
of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers
in those countries are writing about the decadent,
warmongering America.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International
lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a
man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japan technology,
and you get radios. You talk about German technology,
and you get automobiles. You talk about American
technology, and you find men on the moon - not once, but
several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the
help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one
time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?
I don't think there was outside help even during the
San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian
who is tired of hearing them get kicked around. They
will come out of this thing with their flag high.
And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
the lands that are gloating over their present troubles.

I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!

This is one of the best editorials that I have ever
read regarding the United States. It is nice that one
man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world
would realize it. We are always blamed for everything,
and never even get a thank you for the things we do.
--part1_8a.c777f0d.28d1829e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 09:15:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: whiting or saw dust question Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:14:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Richard >How does it get onto your hands Christie? I use a brush to apply the cement, some people also put on cotton or latex gloves.< I apply both the cement (putty) and whiting using my hands, not a brush o= r fid or whatever. Just my fingers. Playing in the mud. I've had a coupl= e of assistants who use gloves, but I prefer to just use my hands. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 09:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: heesun.com!jeanne From: To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Request for canopy tents Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:12:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@heesun.com> Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C13C4D.699E1280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just heard on MSNBC that a request has gone out for Canopy style tents = for the workers in NY to drape over their work areas...... Just in case any one nearby can assist. They didn't mention any contact information though Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. 324 Main Street=20 Reisterstown , MD 21136 410-833-3007=20 info@heesun.com =20 sales@heesun.com http://www.heesun.com Custom Design Studio=20 Supplies & Classes for Stained & Fused Glass & Mosaics When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us. Helen Keller ------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C13C4D.699E1280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just heard on MSNBC that a request has gone out = for=20 Canopy style tents for the workers in NY to drape over their work=20 areas......

Just in case any one nearby can = assist.

They didn't mention any contact information=20 though

Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd.
324 Main Street=20
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410-833-3007
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http://www.heesun.com
Custom = Design Studio=20
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When one door of happiness closes,
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long at the closed door that we do not
see the = one which=20 has been opened for
us. Helen Keller

------=_NextPart_000_0084_01C13C4D.699E1280-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 11:31:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: heesun.com!jeanne From: To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Light a Candle for Unity ( NG) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@heesun.com> Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C13C30.0592FB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just saw the following posting on the Warm Glass Board and thought = I'd post it here.=20 ****** Just got this email, thought I'd post it here:=20 Light a Candle for Unity.=20 Terrorists have struck out at us as Americans, but in response let us = come together and show our unity. Let us show that though our arm may = have been hurt, they can not dim the heart of America. On Thursday = September 13, 2001 at 10:30 pm EST, walk out your door and light a = candle or lantern to show the world that our spirit burns bright. Gather = with loved ones or gather with neighbors but let our light burn in the = night to show that we are united and that we remain strong.=20 Please pass this on to anyone you know..print it up and pass it to = neighbors who may not have internet access, post it to message boards, = clubs, news stations, nywhere and everywhere there is a proud American.=20 Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. 324 Main Street=20 Reisterstown , MD 21136 410-833-3007=20 info@heesun.com =20 sales@heesun.com http://www.heesun.com Custom Design Studio=20 Supplies & Classes for Stained & Fused Glass & Mosaics When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us. Helen Keller ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C13C30.0592FB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just saw the following posting on the Warm Glass Board and = thought=20 I'd post it here.=20
****** Just got this email, thought I'd post it here:=20
Light a Candle for Unity.=20
Terrorists have struck out at us as Americans, but in response let = us come=20 together and show our unity. Let us show that though our arm may have = been=20 hurt, they can not dim the heart of America. On Thursday September 13, = 2001 at=20 10:30 pm EST, walk out your door and light a candle or lantern to show = the=20 world that our spirit burns bright. Gather with loved ones or gather = with=20 neighbors but let our light burn in the night to show that we are = united and=20 that we remain strong.=20
Please pass this on to anyone you know..print it up and pass it to=20 neighbors who may not have internet access, post it to message boards, = clubs,=20 news stations, nywhere and everywhere there is a proud American.=20

When one door of happiness closes,
another = opens; but=20 often we look so
long at the closed door that we do not
see the = one which=20 has been opened for
us. Helen Keller

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C13C30.0592FB60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 15:01:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:49:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" Subject: Re: whiting or saw dust question Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com>> Precedence: bulk With whiting you need to rub it gently onto the cement before turning it and cementing the other side. put whiting on the second side, rub it into the cement and go back to the first side. Begin to rub the whiting into the cement vigorously. The whole cementing and fininshing process should be a continuous process. After the panel is bright and the leads polished, you can leave the panel to rest for a day or two, checking for any weeping of the cement from under the calmes. I have no experience with sawdust, and so have no help to give there. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com>, Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC writes >hi everyone, >how long do in need to leave whiting or sawdust on the cement for before >i flip and do other side? >thanks -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 15:16:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Christie A. Wood" Subject: Re: whiting or saw dust question Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:23:49 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk How does it get onto your hands Christie? I use a brush to apply the cement, some people also put on cotton or latex gloves. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com>, Christie A. Wood writes >Message text written by "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" >>hi everyone, >how long do in need to leave whiting or sawdust on the cement for before >i flip and do other side? >thanks< > >As long as it takes you to scrape the excess off your hands and turn it >over. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles >Denton, TX >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 20:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Gcanvas From: Gcanvas@aol.com To: Plantastics6159@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13c.165b776.28d2cb82_boundary" Subject: Re: Google Image site and Prayers and Blessing to All Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:54:58 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_13c.165b776.28d2cb82_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try: http://images.google.com/ Jim Kelly Gcanvas @aol.com --part1_13c.165b776.28d2cb82_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try: http://images.google.com/

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Gcanvas @aol.com --part1_13c.165b776.28d2cb82_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Sep 13 23:34:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Steve Richard , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: whiting or saw dust question Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:51:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@verrier>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk In my first class in leading the people who taught it used whiting AND sawdust. We sprinkled some whiting on the surface, rather like lightly dusting a cake with powdered sugar. Then we sprinkled a little sawdust on. Having done this both ways, now, I think the effect of the sawdust was to hold down some of the airborne whiting particles, and it also gave a bit of substance to the process. It was easier and less dusty to brush the sawdust/whiting mix off so you could turn the piece, and then when you really started the final stage energetic cleaning, we added more sawdust to help absorb the whiting and help clean the glass as well. And it also aided in cleanup afterward, on the work surface and on the floor. I've no idea where their unending source of sawdust was, though. There never is any around the house when I need it, but I would prefer to use it if I had some on hand. And they wisely stored that sawdust in a metal container with a metal lid. - Cec Steve Richard wrote: > With whiting you need to rub it gently onto the cement before turning it > and cementing the other side. put whiting on the second side, rub it > into the cement and go back to the first side. Begin to rub the whiting > into the cement vigorously. The whole cementing and fininshing process > should be a continuous process. After the panel is bright and the leads > polished, you can leave the panel to rest for a day or two, checking for > any weeping of the cement from under the calmes. > > I have no experience with sawdust, and so have no help to give there. > > Steve > > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com>, Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, > LLC writes > >hi everyone, > >how long do in need to leave whiting or sawdust on the cement for before > >i flip and do other side? > >thanks > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 14 08:34:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: olynet.com!anastasion From: "Doris L. Anastasion" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: oxidation Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:04:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@olynet.com> Precedence: bulk Hi. I started a lamp shade months ago and set it aside and it has been rough soldered, and now is quite oxidated. Does anyone have a magical solution to removing the oxidation without rubbing your arms to death? It's the three dimensional chestnut leaf design from Odyssey. I would surely appreciate any help. Thanx. Doris L. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 14 12:23:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!sparkylynne From: Lynne Black To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: bowling pattern Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 04:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Thanks Alex! It is great. I do machine embroidery also and I can digitize it for that process too. It'll look great on bowling shirts. Thanks again. Lynne __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 14 19:16:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!aglassworks From: Angie Larsen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 18:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 15 10:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: onemain.com!The_Wright_Light From: "Bob&Mary Wright" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: NG-sadness Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:15:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@onemain.com> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C13DB6.263A9440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something I heard on the local news at a candle light vigal.. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C13DB6.263A9440-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 15 11:34:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: cfl.rr.com!sfriel From: "Shay Friel" To: "Doris L. Anastasion" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: oxidation Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 13:16:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cfl.rr.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@olynet.com>> Precedence: bulk I have had luck using a flux brush with the bristles cut down to about a 1/4 in and scrubbing the solder lines with the flux. It still takes some rubbing, but seemed to be effective when I did it. Shay Friel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris L. Anastasion" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: oxidation > Hi. I started a lamp shade months ago and set it aside and it has been > rough soldered, and now is quite oxidated. Does anyone have a magical > solution to removing the oxidation without rubbing your arms to death? It's > the three dimensional chestnut leaf design from Odyssey. I would surely > appreciate any help. Thanx. Doris L. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 15 11:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 11:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: northlights.co.uk!toby From: "Elisabeth Roberg" To: "Glenna Rand" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Disaster Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:23:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@northlights.co.uk> References: <> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians everywhere, - but especially in USA I am now back on line, with a new computer and (almost) a new house (after my house caught fire in July). After another couple of weeks, I will be able to move back in. However, my own disasters pale into insignificance in light of what happened earlier this week in USA. At 11 am yesterday, we all observed 3 minutes silence here in UK. Jenny and myself were walking in a small little market town locally, when the church bells rang out. The entire town came to a stand-still. I thought of each and everyone of you in USA and prayed that all of you were safe and sound and, so also, your loved ones. My thoughts are with you. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (+ Meric) (Toby is making a good recovery..... more later) ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenna Rand To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Disaster > Aloha all, > > I wish to extend my concerns and sympathy to all those involved in > the disaster in NYC and Washington and all those who were involved > in the plane crashes. This is a horrible event and I send my prayers to > all those out there. God Bless. > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 15 17:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: oxidation Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 19:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@cfl.rr.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Really, rubbing is best - scrubbing is apt to lift the solder/foil and weaken it. - Cec Shay Friel wrote: > I have had luck using a flux brush with the bristles cut down to about a 1/4 > in and scrubbing the solder lines with the flux. It still takes some > rubbing, but seemed to be effective when I did it. > Shay Friel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doris L. Anastasion" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:04 AM > Subject: oxidation > > > Hi. I started a lamp shade months ago and set it aside and it has been > > rough soldered, and now is quite oxidated. Does anyone have a magical > > solution to removing the oxidation without rubbing your arms to death? > It's > > the three dimensional chestnut leaf design from Odyssey. I would surely > > appreciate any help. Thanx. Doris L. > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 15 22:26:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 22:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Shay Friel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oxidation Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@cfl.rr.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk I'd use 000 or 0000 steel wool, then rinse well. Suzanne Shay Friel wrote: > > I have had luck using a flux brush with the bristles cut down to about a 1/4 > in and scrubbing the solder lines with the flux. It still takes some > rubbing, but seemed to be effective when I did it. > Shay Friel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doris L. Anastasion" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:04 AM > Subject: oxidation > > > Hi. I started a lamp shade months ago and set it aside and it has been > > rough soldered, and now is quite oxidated. Does anyone have a magical > > solution to removing the oxidation without rubbing your arms to death? > It's > > the three dimensional chestnut leaf design from Odyssey. I would surely > > appreciate any help. Thanx. 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Thank you so much for your good wishes. The outpouring of prayers and support from all over the world has been amazing and so meaningful to all of us. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elisabeth Roberg" To: "Glenna Rand" Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Disaster > Dear Bungians everywhere, - but especially in USA > > > I am now back on line, with a new computer and (almost) a new house (after > my house caught fire in July). After another couple of weeks, I will be able > to move back in. > However, my own disasters pale into insignificance in light of what happened > earlier this week in USA. > > At 11 am yesterday, we all observed 3 minutes silence here in UK. Jenny and > myself were walking in a small little market town locally, when the church > bells rang out. The entire town came to a stand-still. I thought of each and > everyone of you in USA and prayed that all of you were safe and sound and, > so also, your loved ones. > > My thoughts are with you. > > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (+ Meric) > > (Toby is making a good recovery..... more later) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenna Rand > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:05 PM > Subject: Disaster > > > > Aloha all, > > > > I wish to extend my concerns and sympathy to all those involved in > > the disaster in NYC and Washington and all those who were involved > > in the plane crashes. This is a horrible event and I send my prayers to > > all those out there. God Bless. > > > > > > -- > > Glenna Rand > > gjr@bungi.com > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Sep 18 20:51:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: copper wire ? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk Question for you pros out there: I'm working on a custom piece for a friend--a guardian angel penguin suncatcher. From reading posts in the past, I decided that perhaps I should wrap the piece in copper wire to help support the weight of the wings. So I did. I wrapped a piece from between the vertical body pieces down around the belly, and another piece from between the vertical body pieces out around a wing, the head, another wing, and back up between the body pieces. Here's where the problem starts. No matter what I do, I can't get the copper wire to accept solder. I've used various amounts of flux and solder, but nothing works. I bought my wire from a hobby shop jewelry section as my glass store was closed that day. It was labeled 24 gauge copper jewelry wire. Is it possible that there is some sort of coating on this? Any suggestions on how to solder it? I decided to ask those with more experience than me before I completely ruin the project! If this wire is unusable, what's the best way to undo the soldering that's done and salvage my pieces? Thanks again as always for all of your help. This list is very educational! Sherry Greer ===== Sherry Greer texpenguin@yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 19 04:31:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 04:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sherry Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copper wire ? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 23:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Try using 000 steel wool on it. My guess is it's just oxidized. If that doesnt work and you want to take it off, get a hold of the wire with hemostats, (you might need a jig of some sort to hold the suncatcher for you) heat with the iron as you slowly pull the wire off so as not to tear your foil. I buy my copper wire at the hardware store. You might call hobby lobby and ask them if the wire is coated. Good luck. Suzanne Sherry Greer wrote: > > Question for you pros out there: > > I'm working on a custom piece for a friend--a guardian angel penguin > suncatcher. From reading posts in the past, I decided that perhaps I > should wrap the piece in copper wire to help support the weight of the > wings. So I did. I wrapped a piece from between the vertical body > pieces down around the belly, and another piece from between the > vertical body pieces out around a wing, the head, another wing, and > back up between the body pieces. Here's where the problem starts. No > matter what I do, I can't get the copper wire to accept solder. I've > used various amounts of flux and solder, but nothing works. I bought > my wire from a hobby shop jewelry section as my glass store was closed > that day. It was labeled 24 gauge copper jewelry wire. Is it possible > that there is some sort of coating on this? Any suggestions on how to > solder it? I decided to ask those with more experience than me before > I completely ruin the project! If this wire is unusable, what's the > best way to undo the soldering that's done and salvage my pieces? > Thanks again as always for all of your help. This list is very > educational! > Sherry Greer > > ===== > Sherry Greer > texpenguin@yahoo.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 19 07:03:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: copper wire ? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 06:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk some copper wire is coated with a varnish. try using acetone on another piece of wire to see if solder will stick to it. if so, just wipe the already applied wire with acetone. wear nitrile gloves, not latex. they'll withstand the acetone better, but still will be affected to some degree. avoid getting acetone on skin, work outside or with a vapor respirator mask, don't try this at home, use training wheels, yada. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn [mailto:gunnx4@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:09 PM To: Sherry Greer Subject: Re: copper wire ? Try using 000 steel wool on it. My guess is it's just oxidized. If that doesnt work and you want to take it off, get a hold of the wire with hemostats, (you might need a jig of some sort to hold the suncatcher for you) heat with the iron as you slowly pull the wire off so as not to tear your foil. I buy my copper wire at the hardware store. You might call hobby lobby and ask them if the wire is coated. Good luck. Suzanne Sherry Greer wrote: > > Question for you pros out there: > > I'm working on a custom piece for a friend--a guardian angel penguin > suncatcher. From reading posts in the past, I decided that perhaps I > should wrap the piece in copper wire to help support the weight of the > wings. So I did. I wrapped a piece from between the vertical body > pieces down around the belly, and another piece from between the > vertical body pieces out around a wing, the head, another wing, and > back up between the body pieces. Here's where the problem starts. No > matter what I do, I can't get the copper wire to accept solder. I've > used various amounts of flux and solder, but nothing works. I bought > my wire from a hobby shop jewelry section as my glass store was closed > that day. It was labeled 24 gauge copper jewelry wire. Is it possible > that there is some sort of coating on this? Any suggestions on how to > solder it? I decided to ask those with more experience than me before > I completely ruin the project! If this wire is unusable, what's the > best way to undo the soldering that's done and salvage my pieces? > Thanks again as always for all of your help. This list is very > educational! > Sherry Greer > > ===== > Sherry Greer > texpenguin@yahoo.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 19 13:34:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: copper wire ? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sherry Greer >No matter what I do, I can't get the copper wire to accept solder. I've used various amounts of flux and solder, but nothing works. I bought my wire from a hobby shop jewelry section as my glass store was closed that day. It was labeled 24 gauge copper jewelry wire. Is it possible that there is some sort of coating on this? Any suggestions on how to solder it? I decided to ask those with more experience than me before I completely ruin the project! If this wire is unusable, what's the best way to undo the soldering that's done and salvage my pieces? < Yep...you purchased copper wire which has been coated with ?something? to= keep it shiny for the jewelry industry. You're going to have to throw it away and get just plain ole non-coated copper wire. I get mine from Lowe's or Home Depot. In a pinch you can get electrical copper wire and strip off the plastic coating pretty easily, so I've heard. Don't use jewelry copper. Remove the solder carefully by remelting it and flicking the excess off your iron onto the floor. Make sure you wear pants and close-toed shoes.= Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 19 16:03:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: copper wire Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk As always, Bungi has come through for me again! It's such a blessing to us newbies that you pros so willingly share your knowledge. I've learned far more from reading this list than from any book or class so far. I have reams of emails printed out for reference! Thanks for all the advice on my copper wire problem. I think for my purposes, the best was 'wire's cheap-throw it out and buy the right stuff', so I did. Also got great tips on taking my suncatcher apart again to rewire/resolder. THANKS! Sherry Greer ===== Sherry Greer texpenguin@yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 19 19:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: Corpit.com!dterrill From: Dan Terrill To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: *Sigh* New virus out there Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 07:56:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@Corpit.com> Precedence: bulk Yeah, there's another virus out there, called Nimda. This lovely little bug has a 2-pronged attack -- it'll hit you via email and web pages both. If you get an email with an attachment "readme.exe", delete it immediately. If you're visiting a website and an unexpected download starts, you should cancel that immediately as well. As with any others, make sure you have an antivirus scanner running on your computer, and update your antivirus data files frequently (I do it every other day). Regards, Dan Network Admin and Wood/Glass Geek ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Sep 19 19:42:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.1b295996.28da767a_boundary" Subject: Re:Copper Wire Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:30:18 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_9b.1b295996.28da767a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, That copper wire may have a silver coating. I've messed up some of my earlier pieces and I found that if I cut the wire with a pair of fine wire cutters. I could take a stencil knife or a narrow bladed Exacto knife heat the solder and start melting the solder and work the knife between the wire and the foil. I've had good luck with it most of the time. If the foil starts to lift. Its time to start over. Good Luck, Ken O. --part1_9b.1b295996.28da767a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all,

That copper wire may have a silver coating. I've messed up some of my earlier pieces and I found that if I cut the wire with a pair of fine wire cutters. I could take a stencil knife or a narrow bladed Exacto knife heat the solder and start melting the solder and work the knife between the wire and the foil. I've had good luck with it most of the time. If the foil starts to lift. Its time to start over.

Good Luck,
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+0000 Message-ID: <20010920024131.9427D11F7D@giascl01.vsnl.net.in> Precedence: bulk hello ! could u please put me onto your mailing list Also, i was wondering if anybody knows of any manufcaturer of reasonably priced bronze/zinc alloy bases for tiffany style lamps in south east asia, say for example in Taiwan or China ? thanks guys ashish bajoria calcutta, india ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 21 11:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!hobiebis From: FAITH BISCHOFF To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-414219490-1001076174=:81846" Subject: mobiles Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk --0-414219490-1001076174=:81846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Anyone have experience in making stained glass mobiles? I would like some instructions. Like what to use for rods to hang from or any ideas anyone might have Thanks Faith --------------------------------- Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information inYahoo! News. --0-414219490-1001076174=:81846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Hello

Anyone have experience in making stained glass mobiles? I would like some instructions. Like what to use for rods to hang from or any ideas anyone might have

Thanks

Faith

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Donate cash, emergency relief information in Yahoo! News. --0-414219490-1001076174=:81846-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 21 12:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Roxie1024 From: Roxie1024@aol.com To: hobiebis@yahoo.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16c.13c58e4.28dce3d6_boundary" Subject: Re: mobiles Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:41:26 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_16c.13c58e4.28dce3d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love the same information on mobiles as well :) Thanks.. Loret Michigan --part1_16c.13c58e4.28dce3d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love the same information on mobiles as well :)

Thanks..

Loret
Michigan --part1_16c.13c58e4.28dce3d6_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 21 14:26:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: mobiles Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:48:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by FAITH BISCHOFF >Hello Anyone have experience in making stained glass mobiles? I would like som= e instructions. Like what to use for rods to hang from or any ideas anyone= might have Thanks Faith< I purchased some glass windchimes from Titan Art Glass (out of Arkansas).= = The individual glass pieces are strung from another glass round centerpie= ce shaped like a wheel with spokes. The spokes keep the fishing line from slipping out of place so that the balance of the mobile is maintained. I= f you imagine the individual pieces of the mobile as hanging down verticall= y, then the wheel with spokes is oriented horizontally. I've also made some= of my own stained glass mobiles, making the handing rods from brass weldi= ng rods to which I have soldered tiny wire jump rings. Then string the mobi= le pieces with fishing line through the jump rings. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles Denton, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 21 15:45:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!createglass From: "Larry ." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: mobiles Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 22:11:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Faith, I have made several stained glass mobiles... and sold them all. I'm sure theres no one way to do them, but this is how I do it. I use electrical wiring. The big stuff... the kind you'd use on a house. (I apologize, but I don't know for sure what gauge to call it.) But it comes encased in a rubber sheath... 2 or 3 nice fat strands inside... and I just strip 'em. They're just rigid enough that I can straighten them and they stay that way, even supporting my glass. Once I've stripped them, cut 'em into pieces the size you want. I use a pair of needle nose pliers to create a loop on each end of my measured pieces. Then I use the needle nose again to create a raised notch in the middle. I use tiger tail wire with crimp beads (easy to find at Michaels or Hobby Lobby in the bead crafting aisle) to hang glass pieces from the wire beams. And I use a diamond head drill to create holes in the glass I need to hang. I'm sure you'll get lots of creative ideas from this group. I'm looking forward to 'em myself! Larry >From: FAITH BISCHOFF >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: mobiles >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 05:42:54 -0700 (PDT) > > >Hello > >Anyone have experience in making stained glass mobiles? I would like some >instructions. Like what to use for rods to hang from or any ideas anyone >might have > >Thanks > >Faith > > > >--------------------------------- >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >Donate cash, emergency relief information inYahoo! News. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 21 16:37:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Roxie1024@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mobiles Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 14:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk well...Ive made one or two. I just played around, used copperfoil, and wrapped copper wire not around the perimeter of the glass, but literally around the glass as decoratively as possible, and used funky shapes of glass, etc... It'll take me too long to describe what I did. I'll take a digital pic of one I have here, and post it online this after noon and show you. You may not like what I did. Those little brass fishing swivel dealies would be great to use also rather than just regular jump rings....and then the glass could spin. Also...here are some to look at. (I didnt make these) http://www.stainedglassmobiles.com/ Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Sep 21 18:02:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: PS Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk I didnt dust it before taking the pictures...the patina looks better under all that dust! ;o) Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Sep 22 00:07:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: doorpi.net!mmam5 From: "Marci" To: "FAITH BISCHOFF" , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: mobiles Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:55:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@doorpi.net> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C142DF.B90160A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Faith, I've only made a couple mobiles myself - one was a mallard - I used a = small dowell to hang him from and the string/wire was from a hobby shop = - - It's a fairly strong but thin black string . . . The strings are = tied to small rings which are soldered onto the stained glass piece. Here's a link to a picture of it . = http://www.mmartindesigns.com/images/Duck1.jpg Hope that help out. I know you can buy kits from Stained Glass shops = that have all the "fixin's" to make mobiles also. Marci ----- Original Message -----=20 From: FAITH BISCHOFF=20 To: glass@bungi.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: mobiles Hello Anyone have experience in making stained glass mobiles? I would like = some instructions. Like what to use for rods to hang from or any ideas = anyone might have Thanks Faith -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?=20 Donate cash, emergency relief information in Yahoo! News. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C142DF.B90160A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Faith,

I've only made a couple mobiles myself = - one was a=20 mallard - I used a small dowell to hang him from and the string/wire was = from a=20 hobby shop - - It's a fairly strong but thin black string . . . = The=20 strings are tied to small rings which are soldered onto the stained = glass=20 piece.

Here's a link to a picture of it = . http://www.mmarti= ndesigns.com/images/Duck1.jpg

Hope that help out. I know you = can buy kits=20 from Stained Glass shops that have all the "fixin's" to make mobiles=20 also.

Marci

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