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"professional tumblers" and the grit= was still spendy. Does anybody have any experience with this to add?

Can I just use sand to tumble the glass with? Connie

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1230B.93363420-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 12 13:02:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!bobfuses From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Connie Bartel" , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Rock tumbler??? Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:03:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C1231E.7CB03BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Can I just use sand to tumble the glass with? Connie<< You can but the glass will be rough in texture as if you had rubbed it = on a stone. To reshape glass and end up with a high polish it is = necessary to tumble it using several grades of grit. Total tumbling time = may be about two weeks. Normal 1/8th inch thick art glass is not a good = choice for tumbling as it gets thinner all over. Bob in 92026 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C1231E.7CB03BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>>Can I=20 just use sand to tumble the glass with? = Connie<<

You can but the glass will be rough in = texture as=20 if you had rubbed it on a stone. To reshape glass and end up with a high = polish=20 it is necessary to tumble it using several grades of grit. Total = tumbling time=20 may be about two weeks. Normal 1/8th inch thick art glass is not a good = choice=20 for tumbling as it gets thinner all over.

Bob in 92026

------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C1231E.7CB03BC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 12 19:05:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Connie Bartel , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Rock tumbler??? Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:44:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk About how much is a cheap rock tumbler? I've heard that's how they make "beach" glass, which I like the looks of. However it is pretty pricy for very little actual glass and you get no control over the colors or the sizes that come in a bag. What kind of grit is used for that? And surely not 2 weeks worth of tumbling? - Curious but penny pinching Cec Connie Bartel wrote: > I have a friends in the arts council that says "glass scraps can and > should be tumbled in a rocktumbler before using it with kids in > teaching mosaic classes". I had never heard of this but it sounded > reasonable.I went and purchased a small one from Michaels to try it. > Well you get 3 different grits to tumble with and for glassI was not > sure what to use. Then I saw that the grit was 2.00 for a very small > amount. I looked up more"professional tumblers" and the grit was still > spendy. Does anybody have any experience with this to add?Can I just > use sand to tumble the glass with? Connie > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 13 11:05:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: csr.csc.UVic.CA!dmgerman From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Liquid Light Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:33:20 -0700 Message-ID: <200108131633.f7DGXKp04956@localhost.localdomain> Precedence: bulk | Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:53:14 -0400 | From: "Connie Bartel" | Subject: Picture encorporated into Glass window piece | | - ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12243.0E953FE0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know if this is what you're looking for. There is a photographic process based on a liquid photo emulsion. It is a photo emulsion that you can apply to _any_ material and then print a photograph on it. It basically converts any material into photo sensitive "paper" in which you can print a black and white photo. I have not used it. From what I know, it is not difficult to use. You apply the emulsion to your object (in a dark room), let it dry, then use it and develop like paper. There are several in the market: Rockland's Liquid Light and Luminos Silver Print. | Somewhere I saw , read, or heard about encorporating a | photograph into a stained glass window and all the things to do and | be careful of. I just got a request for it and can't find | where I found the material. Here are my thoughts and | please help me further. It will be a regular size small | photo and I thought if I sandwich it with black glass | behind it(prevent fading) and thin clear glass in front. | I was figuring 1/4 inch foil around it. How do I prevent | any flux gunk getting to the picture? Help me folks- | what else?? Also has anybody been putting pictures | into stepping stones? What are the problems there? | Connie (blue_heron59@msn.com) | PS My email address might show up ????? but if you re: | or send it to bungi I will get it. | -- Daniel M. German "To read is to travel without all the hassles of luggage." Emilio Salgari http://turingmachine.org/ dmgerman@csr.uvic.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 13 16:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: msn.com!blue_heron59 From: "Connie Bartel" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12420.0FEE1860" Subject: Rock Tumbler Update Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:47:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com> Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12420.0FEE1860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob was right. Just take ordinary sand and water and glass and put it in = the tumbler for a little less than 24 hours and you get glass that the edges are smoother over and no glass = scratches on the surface (beach glass). The tumbler I bought was just the small "kids" plastic version. I just w= anted to try it and see what effects I could get. I paid 18$ for it at Michaels with a coupon. I looke= d on the net and there are much larger professional ones as well. I think if you were making a mosai= c and grouting you could get a smoother look if you did this to the glass first. If you had a larger t= umbler it would be much easier and less hassle. Connie ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12420.0FEE1860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bob was right.= Just take ordinary sand and water and glass and put it in the tumbler fo= r a little less than

24 hours and you get glass that the edges= are smoother over and no glass scratches on the surface (beach glass).

The tumbler I bought was just the small "kids" plastic version.= I just wanted to try it and see what

effects I could ge= t. I paid 18$ for it at Michaels with a coupon. I looked on the net and t= here are

much larger professional ones as well. I think if you= were making a mosaic and grouting you could get

a smoother lo= ok if you did this to the glass first. If you had a larger tumbler i= t would be much easier and less

hassle. Connie

------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C12420.0FEE1860-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 13 17:32:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: cybernex.net!tonyk From: "Tony K" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re photos Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@cybernex.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C12410.A2451E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is one method that you can use and not have to worry about flux. = It involves taking your photo to a print shop and getting a photostat = made. This will make the black areas darker and the white areas lighter. = Apply your resist on the glass and trace the the pattern from the = photostat and then very carefully cut away the areas to be sandblasted = or etched. Depending on the care you take in cutting the mask you should = be able to get a good reproduction of your picture. Just another idea = someone may want to use.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C12410.A2451E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is one method that you can use and not have to = worry=20 about flux. It involves taking your photo to a print shop and getting a=20 photostat made. This will make the black areas darker and the white = areas=20 lighter. Apply your resist on the glass and trace the the pattern from = the=20 photostat and then very carefully cut away the areas to be sandblasted = or=20 etched. Depending on the care you take in cutting the mask you should be = able to=20 get a good reproduction of your picture. Just another idea someone may = want to=20 use.

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C12410.A2451E80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 14 09:26:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-24AC5EAA; boundary="=======59CE5FF0=======" Subject: installation Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814085557.009f3270@mail> Precedence: bulk --=======59CE5FF0======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-24AC5EAA; boundary="=====================_760983==_.ALT" --=====================_760983==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-24AC5EAA; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve, The panel will be a bit smaller than the opening so I'm not worried about ventillation or condensation. But I hadn't really thought about making it flush with the interior wall?? That is an idea. What do you mean by "support it top and bottom" and how would you accomplish this? Lorley >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:29:04 +0100 >To: Lorley Oneyear >Cc: glass@bungi.com >From: Steve Richard >Subject: Re: installation >X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U > > >Do you need the panel to be against the outer window? >Could it be flush with the interior wall? >In this damp atmosphere, how do you propose to ventilate the space >between the window and the panel to avoid condensation? This is the >main problem of the installation, I think. >I think you need to make the panel about 25mm smaller all around than >the opening and support it top and bottom, and perhaps at a few >intervals along the sides. > >Steve > >In message <5.1.0.14.2.20010811160218.00a14780@mail>, Lorley Oneyear > writes > >Just looking ahead to installing my flowered panel for above the bathtub. > >It's apprx 10 inches high and 46" wide. The window is recessed into the > >wall. How does one place the window in that space if there is not enough > >finger room to grab the sides of the window in order to move it back > >towards the original window? Lorley > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 07/18/2001 --=====================_760983==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-24AC5EAA; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve, The panel will be a bit smaller than the opening so I'm not worried about ventillation or condensation. But I hadn't really thought about making it flush with the interior wall?? That is an idea. What do you mean by "support it top and bottom" and how would you accomplish this? Lorley

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:29:04 +0100
To: Lorley Oneyear <lorley@home.com>
Cc: glass@bungi.com
From: Steve Richard <s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: installation
X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U <vEE7njSvlYZpzagWb30OpfSf0U>

Do you need the panel to be against the outer window?
Could it be flush with the interior wall?
In this damp atmosphere, how do you propose to ventilate the space
between the window and the panel to avoid condensation? This is the
main problem of the installation, I think.
I think you need to make the panel about 25mm smaller all around than
the opening and support it top and bottom, and perhaps at a few
intervals along the sides.

Steve

In message <5.1.0.14.2.20010811160218.00a14780@mail>, Lorley Oneyear
<lorley@home.com> writes
>Just looking ahead to installing my flowered panel for above the bathtub.
>It's apprx 10 inches high and 46" wide. The window is recessed into the
>wall. How does one place the window in that space if there is not enough
>finger room to grab the sides of the window in order to move it back
>towards the original window? Lorley

--
Steve Richard
Verrier Art Glass Ltd
s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk

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--=====================_760983==_.ALT-- --=======59CE5FF0=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 14 21:34:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Rock tumbler??? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:32:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com>> Precedence: bulk Connie, This sounds like a dumb suggestion to me. If you have wiped the glass edges after cutting, and taken off the points, there is little that respectful handling can damage. How sharp are the tessarae when broken with the pliers? Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com>, Connie Bartel writes > I have a friends in the arts council that says "glass scraps�can > and should�be tumbled in a rock > tumbler before using it with kids in teaching mosaic classes". I > had never heard of this but it sounded reasonable. > I went and purchased a small one from Michaels to try it. Well you > get 3 different grits to tumble with and for glass > I was not sure what to use. Then I saw that the grit was 2.00 for a > very small amount. I looked up more > "professional tumblers" and the grit was still spendy. Does anybody > have any experience with this to add? > Can I just use sand to tumble the glass with? Connie -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 14 21:47:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Lorley Oneyear Subject: Re: installation Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:29:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<5.1.0.14.2.20010811160218.00a14780@mail>> Precedence: bulk Do you need the panel to be against the outer window? Could it be flush with the interior wall? In this damp atmosphere, how do you propose to ventilate the space between the window and the panel to avoid condensation? This is the main problem of the installation, I think. I think you need to make the panel about 25mm smaller all around than the opening and support it top and bottom, and perhaps at a few intervals along the sides. Steve In message <5.1.0.14.2.20010811160218.00a14780@mail>, Lorley Oneyear writes >Just looking ahead to installing my flowered panel for above the bathtub. >It's apprx 10 inches high and 46" wide. The window is recessed into the >wall. How does one place the window in that space if there is not enough >finger room to grab the sides of the window in order to move it back >towards the original window? Lorley -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 15 23:35:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Lorley Oneyear Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: installation Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@verrier> References: <<5.1.0.14.2.20010814085557.009f3270@mail>> Precedence: bulk Lorley, I would be thinking of wooden blocks with a check at the back so you could locate the panel against the back of the check. The blocks would need to be anchored to the sides, top and bottom of the opening, but would not be continuous. They could be right angle blocks at the four corners of the opening. Lots of other variations possible. Steve In message <5.1.0.14.2.20010814085557.009f3270@mail>, Lorley Oneyear writes > Steve, The panel will be a bit smaller than the opening so I'm not > worried about ventillation or condensation. But I hadn't really > thought about making it flush with the interior wall?? That is an > idea. What do you mean by "support it top and bottom" and how would > you accomplish this? Lorley > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:29:04 +0100 >> To: Lorley Oneyear >> Cc: glass@bungi.com >> From: Steve Richard >> Subject: Re: installation >> X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U >> > > >> Do you need the panel to be against the outer window? >> Could it be flush with the interior wall? >> In this damp atmosphere, how do you propose to ventilate the >> space >> between the window and the panel to avoid condensation?� This is >> the >> main problem of the installation, I think. >> I think you need to make the panel about 25mm smaller all around >> than >> the opening and support it top and bottom, and perhaps at a few >> intervals along the sides. > >> Steve > >> In message <5.1.0.14.2.20010811160218.00a14780@mail>, Lorley >> Oneyear >> writes >> >Just looking ahead to installing my flowered panel for above >> the bathtub. >> >It's apprx 10 inches high and 46" wide. The window is recessed >> into the >> >wall. How does one place the window in that space if there is >> not enough >> >finger room to grab the sides of the window in order to move it >> back >> >towards the original window?� Lorley > -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 16 15:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Shecharlie From: Shecharlie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15.192078b3.28ad8d36_boundary" Subject: craft shows Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:55:18 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_15.192078b3.28ad8d36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have commitments made for outdoor craft shows and intend to get a credit card machine. i know these shows have no electricity so i will need a cell phone . does anyone have any ideas what machine i will need. have talked to one of these companies and have been quoted 1400.00 for a machine that will be able to accept credit cards using a cell phone and not worrying about electricity. I know there must be cheaper ones on the market. anyone with any ideas. thanks sheila --part1_15.192078b3.28ad8d36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have commitments made for outdoor craft shows and intend to get a credit
card machine. i know these shows have no electricity so i will need a cell
phone . does anyone have any ideas what machine i will need. have talked to
one of these companies and have been quoted 1400.00 for a machine that will
be able to accept credit cards using a cell phone and not worrying about
electricity. I know there must be cheaper ones on the market. anyone with any
ideas.
thanks
sheila --part1_15.192078b3.28ad8d36_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 16 20:07:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:55:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: quixnet.net!carolmac From: "Carol McEvoy" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Perimeter Support for large items Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:24:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@quixnet.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12624.7E170300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the Warner Crivellaro gallery website (www.warner-criv.com/gallery) = there is a large sailfish by Lori Amos (Palm City, Florida). I've tried = making smaller items out of various pattern books (larger than = suncatchers - larger than 8"X10") and been unable to get the stability = of the entire unit I desire. I've tried: 1. foiling the exterior edge, = then tacking on a wire and beading. 2. Hobby came (did not cement) but = it still felt too loose and 3. H channel came and beading in the = exterior channel. If I can't get the stability in a small piece how in = the world do you get that stability in a 5-6 foot long sailfish or that = angel (that appears to be 3X5 foot by Michael and Donna Golden)? Use a = jig and bend zinc? Then make the piece the fit the zinc curves? Any = suggestions from anyone? Thanks. Carol ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12624.7E170300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On the Warner Crivellaro gallery = website (www.warner-criv.com/gallery) there=20 is a large sailfish by Lori Amos (Palm City, Florida). I've tried = making=20 smaller items out of various pattern books (larger than suncatchers - = larger=20 than 8"X10") and been unable to get the stability of the entire unit I=20 desire. I've tried: 1. foiling the exterior edge, then tacking on = a wire=20 and beading. 2. Hobby came (did not cement) but it still felt too = loose=20 and 3. H channel came and beading in the exterior channel. = If I=20 can't get the stability in a small piece how in the world do you get = that=20 stability in a 5-6 foot long sailfish or that angel (that appears to be = 3X5 foot=20 by Michael and Donna Golden)? Use a jig and bend zinc? Then = make the=20 piece the fit the zinc curves? Any suggestions from anyone? = Thanks.=20 Carol

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C12624.7E170300-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 10:31:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: msn.com!blue_heron59 From: "Connie Bartel" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C12707.6E17EA80" Subject: Fw: craft shows Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com> Precedence: bulk ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C12707.6E17EA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie Bartel Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:25 AM To: Shecharlie@aol.com Subject: Re: craft shows =20 Sheila, Glad you mentioned this. I recently looked into it myself and was quoted = the same besides 6% commission fees and also besides having to show 1500$ worth of consistent sales ever= y month. No way I can do that in this kind of economy and just getting started. L= et me know what you here or find out from the group. I would appreciate if the group would post to gl= ass@bungi.com on this one =20 and not just Sheila. Thanks. Connie =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shecharlie@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:50 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: craft shows =20 i have commitments made for outdoor craft shows and intend to get a credi= t =20 card machine. i know these shows have no electricity so i will need a cel= l =20 phone . does anyone have any ideas what machine i will need. have talked = to =20 one of these companies and have been quoted 1400.00 for a machine that w= ill =20 be able to accept credit cards using a cell phone and not worrying about =20 electricity. I know there must be cheaper ones on the market. anyone with= any =20 ideas. =20 thanks =20 sheila =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C12707.6E17EA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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----- Original Message -----

From: Connie Bartel

Sent: Friday= , August 17, 2001 10:25 AM

To: Shecharlie@aol.com

Subject: Re: craft shows

Sheila,

Glad y= ou mentioned this. I recently looked into it myself and was quoted the sa= me besides 6% commission

fees and also besides having to show = 1500$ worth of consistent sales every month.

No way I can do t= hat in this kind of economy and just getting started. Let me know w= hat you here or

find out from the group. I would apprecia= te if the group would post to glass@bungi.com on this one
and not just Sheila. Thanks. Connie

----- Original Message -----
From: Shecharlie@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 20= 01 6:50 PM

To: glass@bungi.c= om

Subject: craft shows

i have com= mitments made for outdoor craft shows and intend to get a credit
card= machine. i know these shows have no electricity so i will need a cell phone . does anyone have any ideas what machine i will need. have talke= d to
one of these companies and have been quoted 1400.00 for a = machine that will
be able to accept credit cards using a cell phone a= nd not worrying about
electricity. I know there must be cheaper ones = on the market. anyone with any
ideas.
thanks
sheila ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C12707.6E17EA80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 10:52:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: scjd.state.sc.us!KPalmer From: Karen Palmer To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: credit card sales Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@scjd.state.sc.us> Precedence: bulk Couldn't you get one of the old, manual credit card sliders that have a handle? I used one years ago when I worked at Woolco and noticed that they were using one at Ghost Town in the Sky at Maggie Valley. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 11:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: gr-lakes.com!donster From: "Don Robinson" To: "'Connie Bartel'" , "'Bungi'" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: craft shows Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@gr> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@msn.com>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C12724.2DD31A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the rube goldberg solution might apply. credit card machine. a 12 to 120 volt power converter. (availible at circuit city for about 65.00) and a cellular modem. ..this way you would use a car battery or rv deep cell. or 12v source to supply power to the converter. this being the power source for the credit card machine and its plug in. (wonder if someone resourceful couldnt rig up some solar cells at the proper voltage and amperage etc) rather than use the plug adapter that comes with it. one could use a old style slider and forms. and just dial in authorizations over a cell phone.. just rough ideas. but who knows! lol let me know what you guys come up with. now, the financial details. *shudder* i have no idea there. lol i did a quick check on the web. here are three links that might be helpful fo those wanting to do wireless transactions.. mind you i vouch not for the quality or reputability of any of these ...(thus the danger inherent in the web) http://www.naia-artists.org/resources/cc_equipment.htm http://www.artandcrafts.com/bbs/messages/31.html http://st4.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=1800mobiles &query=cellular+modems&.autodone=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1800mobiles.com%2Fnsea rch.html best to all Don R. (NE Ohio) ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C12724.2DD31A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
the rube goldberg solution might = apply.=20 credit card machine. a 12 to 120 volt power converter. (availible at = circuit=20 city for about 65.00) and a cellular modem. ..this way you would use a = car=20 battery or rv deep cell. or 12v source to supply power to the = converter.=20 this being the power source for the credit card machine and its plug in. = (wonder=20 if someone resourceful couldnt rig up some solar cells at the = proper=20 voltage and amperage etc)

rather than use the plug adapter = that comes=20 with it.

one could use = a old style=20 slider and forms. and just dial in authorizations over a cell=20 phone..

just rough ideas. but who knows! = lol let me=20 know what you guys come up with. now, the financial details. *shudder* i = have no=20 idea there. lol

i did a quick check on the web. = here are=20 three links that might be helpful fo those wanting to do wireless = transactions..=20 mind you i vouch not for the quality or reputability of any of these = ...(thus=20 the danger inherent in the web)

http://ww= w.naia-artists.org/resources/cc_equipment.htm

http://www.arta= ndcrafts.com/bbs/messages/31.html

http://st4.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?catalog=3D1800mobiles&= amp;query=3Dcellular+modems&.autodone=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.1800mobiles.= com%2Fnsearch.html

best to all

Don R.

(NE Ohio)
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C12724.2DD31A40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 12:02:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:59:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: craft shows Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:56:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Shecharlie@aol.com >i have commitments made for outdoor craft shows and intend to get a cred= it card machine. i know these shows have no electricity so i will need a cel= l = phone . does anyone have any ideas what machine i will need. have talked = to one of these companies and have been quoted 1400.00 for a machine that will = be able to accept credit cards using a cell phone and not worrying about = electricity. I know there must be cheaper ones on the market. anyone with= any = ideas. thanks sheila< I occassionally do outdoor craft shows. I have never taken an electronic= machine with me. Instead, I just take the zip-zapper (the machine with makes the impression of the card). When a person makes a purchase, I zip-zap the card, fill in everything except the authorization, get their phone number, and give them a copy. When I go home for the evening, I di= al in the transaction using my credit card machine's key pad, and get the authorization. Whilst this is a tad bit risky...they might have a credit= card which is declined...I've never had that happen. And it's sure cheep= er than $1400 for a machine. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 12:27:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Perimeter Support for large items Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:56:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Carol McEvoy" >On the Warner Crivellaro gallery website (www.warner-criv.com/gallery) =3D= there is a large sailfish by Lori Amos (Palm City, Florida). I've tried = =3D making smaller items out of various pattern books (larger than =3D suncatchers - larger than 8"X10") and been unable to get the stability =3D= of the entire unit I desire. I've tried: 1. foiling the exterior edge, =3D= then tacking on a wire and beading. 2. Hobby came (did not cement) but =3D= it still felt too loose and 3. H channel came and beading in the =3D exterior channel. If I can't get the stability in a small piece how in =3D= the world do you get that stability in a 5-6 foot long sailfish or that =3D= angel (that appears to be 3X5 foot by Michael and Donna Golden)? Use a =3D= jig and bend zinc? Then make the piece the fit the zinc curves? Any =3D= suggestions from anyone? Thanks. Carol< There are lots of ways to impart stability to stained glass panels. For copper foil project, you can use re-strip (flexible thin brass which is soldered= between pieces) or Morton's StrongLine (semi-flexible steel coated with brass whi= ch is also soldered between pieces). With these you run a solid line of the res-strip or StrongLine from one side of the panel to the other, bending it as necessary to follow the pattern. The larger the panel, the more of these interior support lines you need. Another method is re-bar, which is an external bar with its ends embedded= into the wooden/metal framing material. You solder copper tie wires to strategic places along the pattern, and tie the panel to the rebar. When you are using the came as framing, are you soldering each and every joint to the came? For any type of metal framing, you need to sold= er to the frame each & every solder line which runs into the frame. I usual= ly only do this on the back of the panel, but if you want even more panel stability, solder it front and back. Zinc framing will be much stiffer than lead framing. Wood framing is mor= e stable than metal framing. For very large panels, we usually divide the panel into multiple smaller panels - each with its own framing and support. In one large copper foil= commission I did (6 feet wide x 7 feet high) I divided it into three smaller rectangles, and built the framing using H and Y lead. Then slid the Y came into the exterior channel of the H to create only one visual seam. Like I said, there is chapter after chapter on proper framing techniques.= = I'm just listing some suggestions for you to try in stiffening up your projects. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 12:59:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Perimeter Support for large items Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:21:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk if i had to guess, i'd say that it was done with lead. you can solder metal rods into the outer portion of H came which would make it a great deal stronger. there might also be rebar on the back that you can't see, which is tied to the hanging chains, so the piece really only has to be self-supported in a few places. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Carol McEvoy [mailto:carolmac@quixnet.net] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:25 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Perimeter Support for large items On the Warner Crivellaro gallery website (www.warner-criv.com/gallery) = there is a large sailfish by Lori Amos (Palm City, Florida). I've tried = making smaller items out of various pattern books (larger than = suncatchers - larger than 8"X10") and been unable to get the stability = of the entire unit I desire. I've tried: 1. foiling the exterior edge, = then tacking on a wire and beading. 2. Hobby came (did not cement) but = it still felt too loose and 3. H channel came and beading in the = exterior channel. If I can't get the stability in a small piece how in = the world do you get that stability in a 5-6 foot long sailfish or that = angel (that appears to be 3X5 foot by Michael and Donna Golden)? Use a = jig and bend zinc? Then make the piece the fit the zinc curves? Any = suggestions from anyone? Thanks. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 13:03:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: craft shows Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:28:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk i believe you can, for an additional fee of course, call and get the authorization from a cell at the show whilst they are still in front of you (and the merchandise is still in your possession). regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Christie A. Wood [mailto:Ensembles@compuserve.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:56 AM > To: Bungi > Subject: craft shows > > > Message text written by INTERNET:Shecharlie@aol.com > >i have commitments made for outdoor craft shows and intend > to get a cred= > it > > card machine. i know these shows have no electricity so i > will need a cel= > l = > > phone . does anyone have any ideas what machine i will need. > have talked = > to > > one of these companies and have been quoted 1400.00 for a > machine that > will = > > be able to accept credit cards using a cell phone and not > worrying about = > > electricity. I know there must be cheaper ones on the market. > anyone with= > > any = > > ideas. > thanks > sheila< > > I occassionally do outdoor craft shows. I have never taken > an electronic= > > machine with me. Instead, I just take the zip-zapper (the > machine with > makes the impression of the card). When a person makes a purchase, I > zip-zap the card, fill in everything except the > authorization, get their > phone number, and give them a copy. When I go home for the > evening, I di= > al > in the transaction using my credit card machine's key pad, and get the > authorization. Whilst this is a tad bit risky...they might > have a credit= > > card which is declined...I've never had that happen. And > it's sure cheep= > er > than $1400 for a machine. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 17 19:39:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: salsgiver.com!jmshct From: "shurina" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: etching glass Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:56:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@salsgiver.com> Precedence: bulk Hello, I am looking for stencils. None of the craft stores in my area have the kind I am looking for. I am looking for dragons for my son's room. He wants to etch dragons in his mirrors. Can you please help me in this matter? Thank you, Charlet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 18 20:49:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: IGGA FLW Lightscreens traveling exhibit article Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk If any of you are planning to go to Grand Rapids this fall to see the exhibit, don't miss going through the Meyer (pronounced Myer) May House, built 1908, and restored by Steelcase, the office furniture company that owns it. (Steelcase collaborated with FLW on a number of projects, the most well known of which were the office desks and chairs designed by Wright for the Johnson Wax Building. I have not seen all of his homes which are open for viewing, but of the ones I have seen, only his Oak Park home and the State of Illinois owned and restored Dana House in Springfield even come close, because of the meticulus and spare-no-expense restoration. Going through this house is a high treat. Unfortunately, the hours it is open are limited, but the price is right. Maybe, during the Lightscreens exhibit, there will be special tours offered. The people who know about the house cannot tell you what the inspiration was for the design of the house windows. My own theory is that he used an abstract amalgamation of the day lily and the taller tiger lily. I grew up in a small town only about 30 miles from Grand Rapids, and any trip to the city had to include driving by the May house and the other Frank Lloyd Wright house which is just up the street on the next corner. Since my sisters and I took music lessons in the Wealthy, Cherry, Heritage Hill area, that amounted to at least once a week for years! The other house is not open to the public - and I'm dying to see the inside. Meyer May House 450 Madison Ave. SE Grand Rapids, MI 49503 (616) 246-4821 Fax: (616) 451-9690 This 1908 masterpiece of the prairie-style design is one of the most complete restorations of a Frank Lloyd Wright house in existence. Admission:free. Hours: Tuesday and Thursday 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m., Sunday 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. The last tour each day begins one hour prior to closing. Closed Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and all major holidays. http://www.telepath.com/pchelp/meyermay/index.htm Make a further experience of it, and trot through a Meijer's (pronounced Myer's) Store. Founded in my home town of Greenville after WWII, old Hendrik Meijer had baskets and carts made so that customers could serve themselves, so it was one of the first modern "self serve" gracery stores and has grown way beyond "grocery". His son Fred has started a fancy educational garden, and a trip to Meijer's Garden is also rewarding. You can also see that collossal stature of a horse which was designed by Leonardo da Vinci, as well as well as other sculptures, including those of Gary Price and Marshall Fredericks. It includes one of Fred, sitting on a bench, just meant for someone sitting beside him for a photo. Frederik Meijer Gardens & Sculpture Park 1000 East Beltline NE Grand Rapids, MI 49525 (616) 957-1580 or (888) 957-1580 Fax: (616) 957-5792 The 125-acre Gardens and Sculpture Park features the monumental Leonardo da Vinci's Horse, indoor and outdoor gardens; Michigan's largest tropical conservatory; nature trails; sculpture galleries; and over 100 world-class sculptures. Admission: $6.00, Seniors $5.00, Children (5 - 13) $2.50, 4 and under are free, Students (14 & up) $4.00 Hours: Monday - Saturday 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Sunday noon to 5:00 p.m. The Gerald R Ford presidential library is also in Grand Rapids. >From Cec - an ex Michigander who now lives in Merlin (Maryland). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 19 16:29:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: Gail Heinzemilne To: Karen Palmer , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4392425FA0DD60EE2A824642" Subject: Re: credit card sales Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:13:54 -0300 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@ns.sympatico.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@scjd.state.sc.us>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4392425FA0DD60EE2A824642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Manual imprinters are cheap ($12 /yr) and easy to take and use. We also get a discount here if you are a member of the provincial craft Council on Visa sales through the TD bank. They only charge 2%, or a minimum monthly fee of $3.00. I also do my authorizations at home via phone, but a cell phone would work too. In fact I saw an ad not long ago promoting the portable "cordless" imprinter, which is in fact the old "zapper". Gail in Nova Scotia Karen Palmer wrote: > Couldn't you get one of the old, manual credit card sliders that have a > handle? I used one years ago when I worked at Woolco and noticed that they > were using one at Ghost Town in the Sky at Maggie Valley. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------4392425FA0DD60EE2A824642 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gail Heinze-Milne Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Gail Heinze-Milne n: Heinze-Milne;Gail org: Glass with Class email;internet: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca note: http://www.gathering-of-artists.ca/glass/gailHM/profile.html x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------4392425FA0DD60EE2A824642-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 19 20:27:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!CWicks6159 From: CWicks6159@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Supplies Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 23:15:21 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Many thanks to all of you that have given me the names of your suppliers. I have made note of all of them so that way if one doesn't carry what I'm looking for I'm sure one of the other ones will. Mahalo from Hawaii Cyndie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 05:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 04:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!UserDusty From: UserDusty@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e6.1a06ea80.28b24f9d_boundary" Subject: Re: Etching Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 07:33:49 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_e6.1a06ea80.28b24f9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can make patterns from almost any source. WWW. Spectrum.com has free patterns on their site. I thought I saw a dragon there at one time. I have made my own patterns from children's coloring books also. You can make picture as large as you want. I try to use the thinnest paper I can find for the final pattern. I did mine with etch all. I cleaned the glass with Windex then with pure Isopropyl alcohol not rubbing alcohol. Mount you contact paper to the mirror. Then your carbon paper. Then your pattern. If I want a thin line I use a thin lead pencil. A wide line a wide lead pencil. Remove the paper and the carbon and cut your stencil. When done. Reclean with Isopropyl to remove any excess glue from the parts you want to etch. Apply etching to manufacture's instructions. Then flush with water. This chemical works very fast. You may want to remove the mirror from the frame. Cover the entire mirror with your resist and roll a small amount over the edge To protect them from being etched when doing the flushing process good luck, Ken O --part1_e6.1a06ea80.28b24f9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can make patterns from almost any source. WWW. Spectrum.com has free
patterns on their site. I thought I saw a dragon there at one time. I have
made my own patterns from children's coloring books also. You can make
picture as large as you want. I try to use the thinnest paper I can find for
the final pattern. I did mine with etch all. I cleaned the glass with
Windex then with pure Isopropyl alcohol not rubbing alcohol. Mount you
contact paper to the mirror. Then your carbon paper. Then your pattern. If
I want a thin line I use a thin lead pencil. A wide line a wide lead pencil.
Remove the paper and the carbon and cut your stencil. When done. Reclean
with Isopropyl to remove any excess glue from the parts you want to etch.
Apply etching to manufacture's instructions. Then flush with water. This
chemical works very fast. You may want to remove the mirror from the frame.
Cover the entire mirror with your resist and roll a small amount over the
edge To protect them from being etched when doing the flushing process
good luck,

Ken O --part1_e6.1a06ea80.28b24f9d_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 05:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Stained Glass Rustling Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Here is a sad commentary on our art: http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-te.md.glass20aug20.story?coll=bal%2Dhome%2Dheadlines Cec ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 07:04:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 06:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Robert Jones , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Rustling Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:41:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<3B810EFA.3B6CCA90@netrax.net>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk I'm afraid not much. Most churches haven't even taken good photos of their windows so they could identify them, if by some small chance they were recovered, or replace them if not. Most don't have them specially insured. Many have no records of who produced them in the first place, or when they were repaired, and by whom. And any number of churches 20 years ago had them faced on the outside with plexiglass or real glass, but without proper air circulation, and are now in the process of destroying them - cooking them to death. In Michigan there is a Stained Glass Registry, and there has been a concerted effort to list all kinds of stained glass windows in it - from small house ones to fancy church ones all over the state. I've never heard of anything similar here in Maryland. If there is such a thing, I'd like to know about it. I don't know who runs the Michigan one - the state, or a historical society, or what. If we don't have one, maybe we should. - Cec Robert Jones wrote: > I live in Baltimore and there are churches here with actual original > Tiffany windows in them. I wonder what precautions they are taking. > One of those churches is not too far from the one in the article. > > Bob > > Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote: > > > > Here is a sad commentary on our art: > > > > http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-te.md.glass20aug20.story?coll=bal%2Dhome%2Dheadlines > > > > Cec > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 08:36:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:14:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Gcanvas From: Gcanvas@aol.com To: cecnralph@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.189b5214.28b282a9_boundary" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Rustling Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:11:37 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_fb.189b5214.28b282a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this link for Stained Glass registry in Michigan---http://museum.cl.msu.edu/museum/msgc/index.htm It's called the Michigan Stained Glass Census and is sponsored by the Michigan State University Museum. Jim Kelly Gcanvas @aol.com --part1_fb.189b5214.28b282a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this link for Stained Glass registry in
Michigan---http://museum.cl.msu.edu/museum/msgc/index.htm

It's called the Michigan Stained Glass Census and is sponsored by the
Michigan State University Museum.

Jim Kelly
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<1970Jan1.000.0@GSA> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Is this the plan? 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Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !!
Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for
the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating
systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting
and maintenance at a reasonable cost.
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x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: etching glass Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@salsgiver.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk And please don't forget that an acid strong enough to etch glass is dangerous. If your son is young, you don't want him doing this. And if you do it, please take proper precautions. - Cec shurina wrote: > Hello, I am looking for stencils. None of the craft stores in my area have > the kind I am looking for. I am looking for dragons for my son's room. He > wants to etch dragons in his mirrors. Can you please help me in this matter? > Thank you, > Charlet > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 15:09:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cognac/topaz bevels or beveling glass Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:46:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a source of cognac or topaz bevels or that color beveling glass? We need 2 1/2 x10's. TIA Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 16:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: autop.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: scrap idea Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:11:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@autop.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------465582DA08EBAA4AD6BF2B87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok just one more idea. bought 99 cents clear shoe boxes at target, wrote colors on each end. -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! 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It's finally here and I can't get cable installed till Sept. 7th so I will be computerless and will have a new email address when I get back on. So please unsubscribe me for now and I'll be back in Mid Sept. Happy Glassing, Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 20 23:34:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: scrap idea Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:15:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@autop.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Robin and others on bungi. Please dont post photo's to the list. It's better to post a url where the photo can be viewed. Some people on bungi are in other countries and it can be very expensive for them with their ISP's if photo's come in. I have high speed access and dont mind if anyone wants to show me pictures, but it isnt the same for all. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 21 06:04:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: autop.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cutting lead came? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:24:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@autop.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk hi, i am a beginner and is ther some rule of thumb on which way to miter the lead came around squares, diamonds, etc. is there a book that shows which way to do the cuts? thanks robin -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 21 06:04:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Gcanvas@aol.com, Bungi Glass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Stained Glass Rustling Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk --------------5E3582C4F3AC8E1EEFA995D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is also a national group: http://college.holycross.edu/organizations/csga/ Census of Stained Glass in America. They produce a small booklet that anyone working with older windows, etc. should offer to your clients: Conservation and Restoration of Stained Glass: an owner's guide. I picked one up at the Morse Museum in Florida (lots of Tiffany). I already belong to the National Trust so I think I'll send for their New Stained Glass Survey Guide. Should tell if there is any group doing this in Maryland, and also tells how to go about forming a community-based local census. This seems like a worthwhile activity that the IGGA could help participate in - not monitarily, but certainly as knowledgable volunteers. And it shouldn't be limited to America, but to any state, province, county, church group, etc. And, who knows, a small plaque on a home or church saying the glass is listed, catalogued, and photographed might discourage thefts, since the thieves would know anything they took could be readily identified. Gcanvas@aol.com wrote: > Try this link for Stained Glass registry in > Michigan---http://museum.cl.msu.edu/museum/msgc/index.htm > > It's called the Michigan Stained Glass Census and is sponsored by the > Michigan State University Museum. > > Jim Kelly > Gcanvas @aol.com --------------5E3582C4F3AC8E1EEFA995D4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is also a national group: http://college.holycross.edu/organizations/csga/
Census of Stained Glass in America. They produce a small booklet that anyone working with older windows, etc. should offer to your clients: Conservation and Restoration of Stained Glass: an owner's guide. I picked one up at the Morse Museum in Florida (lots of Tiffany). I already belong to the National Trust so I think I'll send for their New Stained Glass Survey Guide. Should tell if there is any group doing this in Maryland, and also tells how to go about forming a community-based local census. This seems like a worthwhile activity that the IGGA could help participate in - not monitarily, but certainly as knowledgable volunteers. And it shouldn't be limited to America, but to any state, province, county, church group, etc. And, who knows, a small plaque on a home or church saying the glass is listed, catalogued, and photographed might discourage thefts, since the thieves would know anything they took could be readily identified.
Gcanvas@aol.com wrote:
Try this link for Stained Glass registry in
Michigan---http://museum.cl.msu.edu/museum/msgc/index.htm
It's called the Michigan Stained Glass Census and is sponsored by the
Michigan State University Museum.
Jim Kelly
Gcanvas @aol.com
--------------5E3582C4F3AC8E1EEFA995D4-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 21 14:03:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: cutting lead came? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@compuserve.com> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" >hi, i am a beginner and is ther some rule of thumb on which way to miter= the lead came around squares, diamonds, etc. is there a book that shows which way to do the cuts? thanks robin< Firstly, do you have a lead dyke? It looks like a wire cutter, but does not have the beveled back edge. If you don't have one, you should get one. To cut a mitered edge in lead, first place the came = up against the other came to which it will abut. Then mark the angle you ne= ed into the lead by gently scratching it with your thumbnail. Now remove a small part of the heart of the came where your mark is. Then cut the lea= d, using the lead dyke, along the thumbnail mark. Cut one side, then the other, until you have the angle you need. If you need to cut out more heart of the lead in order to create the angle, do so. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 21 15:01:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-15BA2512; boundary="=======11627976=======" Subject: reinforcement strip Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010821095018.00a025c0@mail> Precedence: bulk --=======11627976======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-15BA2512; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am just finishing a panel that is approximately 10" high by 46" wide. The background is basically 3" X 5" rectangular glue chip glass with a grouping of flowers at either end of the panel. I have a 25 ft roll of "Re-Strip". Do I stretch this? Is there a rule of thumb as to how I should incorporate this into my panel? Also how do I get nice 45 degree angles on my 3"x5" if I wrap it around those pieces? Lorley --=======11627976=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 21 15:54:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: cutting lead came? Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:25:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk cut it at the angle so that it forms the smallest joint. if that's too sharp, cut the heart out of the very end of the came, then trim each leaf to the correct angle. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC [mailto:robin@autop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:24 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: cutting lead came? > > > hi, i am a beginner and is ther some rule of thumb on which > way to miter > > the lead came around squares, diamonds, etc. is there a book > that shows > which way to do the cuts? > thanks > robin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 21 18:00:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:52:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Circo, by Vegla glass Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:04:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Does any one still have any "Circo" textured glass, made by Vegla Glass that would be willing to sell it? Thanks Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 22 03:28:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Cutting lead came Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk At 12:56 21/08/01 -0400, Christie wrote: (I paraphrase) >...a comprehensive description of how to use a lead dyke to cut lead came in angles by cutting out the heart and trimming the leaf. We have always only used and sold the traditional curved blade 'pro-tool' knife up to six months ago but now we use (and sell) lead came shears which work just like scissors to cut lead came of all widths square and in angles without crushing the leaf or twisting the heart over (as often happens with narrower lead profiles). I am looking forward to teaching our lead classes this year as they will make the 'learning curve' of cutting lead neatly sooo short - even complete beginners can get a good clean cut straight away!! And no bruises on the palm as often experienced by people with not-so-strong hands using the knife. I am sure they are on sale in other countries too but we have them on our website at http://www.stainedglass.co.uk/camesher.htm if anyone wants to see what they look like. As for the original question on how to cut lead around a square neatly as when putting a square bevel or jewel into a panel with diagonal cut lines in the 'background glass' I suggest the following method of cutting to my students for one design they make on my courses: For the diagonals going into the square at the corners - cut straight across For the two upright sides of the square - cut straight across and to the inner measurement of the 'visible glass' of the square For the two horizontal leads (top and bottom edges) of the square - cut both ends to a 45% angle facing outwards, length so they overlap the vertical leads If using wider lead came for the diagonals than around the square this makes a perfect joining, if using the same width it still looks neat - and only four angled cuts to make in the leads!! This is much easier to show than to describe so if anyone wants a diagram I can email it privately if they like to email me off-list. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk UK Charter Member RAGS ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 22 10:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: communityconnexion.com!online-owner From: Community ConneXion Online To: online@communityconnexion.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Community Connexion Online Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:43:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@communityconnexion.com> Precedence: bulk Community ConneXion Online - Newsletter ________________________________________________________________ This is a TEST of our new listserve automated newsletter system. 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EVENTS CALENDAR: August 24th FREE INTRODUCTION: PAN GU SHENGONG 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm Nature's (Wellness Center) 3535 NE 15th & Freemont August 25th PAN GU SHENGONG 'Moving' Form 3:00 pm to 6:00 pm Nature's (Wellness Center) 3535 NE 15th & Freemont Fee: $80 *Basic Theory/Hands On Training August 26th PAN GU SHENGONG 'Non-Moving' Form 12:30 pm - 2:30 pm Nature's (Wellness Center) 3535 NE 15th & Freemont Fee: $80 August 26th PAN GU QI HEALING 3:00 pm to 5:30 pm Nature's (Wellness Center) 3535 NE 15th & Freemont Fee: $60 *Learn how to help others with qigong healing August 27th to 30th PRIVATE QI HEALING 9:00 am to 7:00 pm Call for appointment & location Fee $30 for Pan Gu Practitioners $50 for General Public FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL: 503 - 675-9809 *Please help us to welcome Master Ou by emailing this information to your family, friends, and community. Pan Gu Practitoners: There is no cost for those who have already taken the 'Moving' or Non-moving' form. It is an extra benefit to attend because as Master Ou speaks, he sends out healing Qi to all in attendance. Some people may experience a feeling of being sleepy during this time. Blessings, Donna Selby MORE INFORMATION ABOUT PAN GU'S FOUNDER: Master Ou is Founder of Pan Gu Shengong International Research Institue based in San Francisco, CA. and Council Member of the World Academic Society of Medical Qigong. Master Ou has written many books, which include The Path of Life, Farewell My Soul, and Pan Gu Mystical Qigong. He is past Director of the Research Institute of Qigong Science at Guangzhou University in China. His articles have won recognition and awards at many International Qigong Conferences ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Press Release: Announcing the arrival of "the Khenpos," two of Tibet's greatest living Buddhist Masters to Portland. Khenchen Palden Sherab Rinpoche and his brother, Khenpo Tsewang Dongyal Rinpoche, are giving teachings, transmissions and an empowerment (blessing ceremony) on September 27-29th at the Unity Church, 4525 SE Stark. Khenchen Palden Sherab Rinpoche is one of the most highly qualified scholars and meditation masters of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. He is considered a master of Dzogchen, the most highly developed tradition of spiritual practice in the Nyingma lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. Khenpo Tsewang Dongyal Rinpoche will be translating. � DREAMS, BLESSINGS AND A TRANSMISSION Thursday, September 27, 7:30 pm, $15 During this special evening, the Khenpos will discuss the dreamlike nature of reality, as well as bestowing the blessing and transmission of PadmaSambhava, who is considered the Buddha of our age. � VAJRASARASVATI EMPOWERMENT Friday, Sept. 28, 7pm, $15 VAJRASARASVATI is an emanation of Tara, the mother of all the Buddhas. Vajrasarasvati is both a Buddhist and Hindu Goddess of ART, MUSIC, POETRY and BEAUTY, and this empowerment (blessing ceremony) will increase CREATIVITY and INSPIRATION, dispelling ignorance and giving birth to wisdom. � THE HEART SUTRA FROM THE DZOGCHEN POINT OF VIEW: Teachings and Transmission Saturday, September 29, 10-4pm, $60 One of the most profound and famous of all the Buddhist teachings, the Heart Sutra contains, in its few lines, the essence, or condensed meaning, of the nature of ultimate reality. Dzogchen is the ultimate teaching of all the enlightened ones; it is regarded as the culmination of all spiritual paths. All events at Unity Church, 4525 SE Stark For info, call (503) 230-4841 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday Celebration: IN THE SPIRIT OF ALOHA From: "Susan Luning" To: jpoling@connexion.org Dear John, how wonderful to speak with you once again. Coming back home to Portland is always such a dear and wonderful treat. OK, so let's do a Sunday celebration. When: Sunday, September 30, 2001 Where: Cascade Community - see map at http://www.conneXion.org/GARDENS Time: 6:00 pm Potluck, special music, rhythm instruments Candle lighting ceremony We can call the evening "IN THE SPIRIT OF ALOHA" With so much love and aloha from my heart, my home to yours. Susan Luning ________________________________________________________________ At any time that you wish to cancel your FREE newsletter subscription, go to http://www.connexion.org and click "unsubscribe" in the newsletter box. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 22 11:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: hotmail.com!hhowarda From: "howard rubin" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/html Subject: FA: Bullseye Pressed Glass ROSE Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@hotmail.com> Precedence: bulk

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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 22 12:01:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Mcdeltalum From: Mcdeltalum@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13c.23e033.28b549ea_boundary" Subject: Monster Metals Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:46:18 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_13c.23e033.28b549ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have any tips about painting Monster Metal figures. In the past, I've painted some of their dragons using model paint. On this project, I would like to go for a "glazed" , hi luster effect. Are their specific paints that work better than others? Can you thin/mix the paint with some sort of glaze/varnish? Should I sand or uses steel wool between coats? Any general tips for success? --part1_13c.23e033.28b549ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Does anyone have any tips about painting Monster Metal figures.

In the past, I've painted some of their dragons using model paint.

On this project, I would like to go for a "glazed" , hi luster effect.

Are their specific paints that work better than others?

Can you thin/mix the paint with some sort of glaze/varnish?

Should I sand or uses steel wool between coats?

Any general tips for success?

--part1_13c.23e033.28b549ea_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 22 12:31:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: bellsouth.net!hway From: "Craig Holloway" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:09:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@bellsouth.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C12B03.465BC480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Craig Holloway passed away suddenly in February. Please remove his name = from your e-mail list. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C12B03.465BC480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C12B03.465BC480-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 22 16:32:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-772D41DD; boundary="=======43365C9B=======" Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:32:22 -0700 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010822132742.00a0cb30@mail> Precedence: bulk --=======43365C9B======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-772D41DD; boundary="=====================_18218137==_.ALT" --=====================_18218137==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-772D41DD; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Christie.. Thanks for your reply. It must have been late when I sent that email because of course 3"X5" rectangles have 90 degree angles (not 45 degree). duh. My panel is made out of foil with a zinc frame. Do I run the restrip up and down along the 3X5 squares? Do I just run this along the interior lines and bring it up to the edge (where the zinc is) and then bring it back into the pattern? Lorley You wrote: t me ask a rather straight-forward question: What is the panel made from? Lead? Copper Foil? Telling you how to use Restrip will depend on whether your panel is lead or copper foil. And what do you mean by getting a nice 45 degree angle on a 3"x5" rectangle? Rectangles are all 90 degree angles. Christie --=====================_18218137==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-772D41DD; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Christie.. Thanks for your reply. It must have been late when I sent that email because of course 3"X5" rectangles have 90 degree angles (not 45 degree). duh. My panel is made out of foil with a zinc frame. Do I run the restrip up and down along the 3X5 squares? Do I just run this along the interior lines and bring it up to the edge (where the zinc is) and then bring it back into the pattern? Lorley

You wrote:
t me ask a rather straight-forward question: What is the panel made from?
Lead? Copper Foil? Telling you how to use Restrip will depend on whether
your panel is lead or copper foil. And what do you mean by getting a nice
45 degree angle on a 3"x5" rectangle? Rectangles are all 90 degree angles.
Christie

--=====================_18218137==_.ALT-- --=======43365C9B=======-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 24 06:20:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Elisabeth & Toby Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth Roberg from England called me this morning and asked if I would post a note to everyone to explain why she has not replied to the many e-mails she has received and why she has been so quiet on bungi. In June of this year she had a major house fire (apparently electrical in nature) and has not had access to her computer or e-mail. Currently she is living in her garden shed that she had turned into a workshop area. She is okay and hopes to be back on-line soon. Toby is in the hospital with a serious hip displasia or nerve damage. Hopefully Toby will be well soon. Meric was not mentioned in the conversation. Elisabeth said she had just finished a weekend kiln fusing workshop with five people for three days. (Totally unrelated to the fire). Well, that about sums up what was said. She was primarily concerned that everyone know the reason for her silence. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 26 09:54:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 09:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: autop.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead hand soap Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:56:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@autop.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk I ordered a couple bottles of this soap and it seems great. 15.20 for 2 16oz. bottles. they ship it and you send them a check. great service. http://www.sashas.net/soap_new.htm -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 26 17:31:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Elisabeth & Toby Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 12:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@slonet.org>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Thanks Peggy for passing that on! :o( Im so sorry to hear that. Im glad no one was hurt. Suzanne "Peggy W. Johnsen" wrote: > > Elisabeth Roberg from England called me this morning and asked if I would > post a note to everyone to explain why she has not replied to the many > e-mails she has received and why she has been so quiet on bungi. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 27 13:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: lead hand soap Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@autop.com>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk I've used it for years and like it. There is also a new one - Shepherd's - but it has hand softeners, etc. which is fine if you only use it for hands, but I use Sasha's on the glass itself - even clean my eyeglasses with it. - Cec "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" wrote: > I ordered a couple bottles of this soap and it seems great. 15.20 for 2 > 16oz. bottles. > they ship it and you send them a check. great service. > > http://www.sashas.net/soap_new.htm > > -- > ******************************************************** > Thank You > Robin Ellison > Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com > 1-888-977-1999 > Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! > Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for > the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating > systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting > and maintenance at a reasonable cost. > AOL FRIENDLY LINK > Auto And Parts > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 27 13:30:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:00:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!MMMCAM From: MMMCAM@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Hello to everyone Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:56:55 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hi fellow bungi readers, I've been reading posts for sometime now and have just now decided to write for some much needed advice. I've been crafting stained glass for over 3 years now and have just about decided to start trying to find a market for the pieces I've created and are now in the process of creating. I've never sold my crafts before except for an occasional commission and was wondering if some of you who have dealt with retailing your creations, would be willing to part with some advice. I live in North Little Rock AR and my specialty is tiffany styled lamps and novelty items such as votives, stained glass picture frames and night lights. I love this craft so much! I've given my creations as birthday and anniversary gifts and have been asked to do "special" projects for a commission. Now, I think I'm ready to start getting serious and go to market. So please...any advice from any of you would be a huge benefit to me and help me start making those baby steps into a new field. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 27 19:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Back from Glass Visions Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:04:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mail2.nai.net> Precedence: bulk Well, not a lot of bungi people there on Saturday. John and I showed up and just started shopping. We were checked out before 1 pm and spent a good part of the afternoon talking with vendors and admiring the Battlefield Glass creations on exhibit. People in Battlefield Glass, I don't know HOW you managed to find time to make some of those creations! The piggy bar was there, the mantis airplane (or was it a spaceship?), and many, many more. And trust me, the online pictures do not do justice to either of the finalists. Venture has a new formula for the sticky past of their silver back tape, which I know will make many of you dance with joy. Much better, they promise. I think it was Youghiogheny who said they were buying Oceana and produce their glass. (Wow, even more glass at the train station!!! I hope.) The guy from Armstrong looked ready to duck and cover by mid-afternoon. The Canfield guy looked stunned at the rate his samples disappeared. I hope he and the Venture lady had supplies overnighted for you Sunday goers. We camped overnight in a nice place north of Allentown. It had indoor and outdoor pools, and a TV room with cable. (We tent, so don't generally bring a TV). John got to see the first half of the Giants Jets exhibition, and I got to see the Travers Stakes (If it weren't for Glass Visions, I'd of been at Saratogra Springs, for sure. Sadly, I have a craft fair the day of the Breeders Cup, too. Poor planning, since it's in NYC this year!) It was lovely in the evening, swimming in the pool with the bats swooping around. We stopped at a craft show in Shawnee PA on the way home. Sort of like a busman's holiday. (In fact, on my real vacation, the highlight of which was whale watching with lots of whales, we wandered through lots of gift stores in Rockport, seeking inspiration. You know, I didn't see much new, but some somehow I am bubbling with ideas anyway! We'll see if they can easily be implimented! Or not easily, but salable at a good price! Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 05:30:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 05:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cement for stepping stones Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:35:55 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hello, Hope everyone is having a good end of summer. I have a question regarding stepping/patio stones. When I fisrt learned to make them you had to sift ready mix cement with a screen and use it for the first half inch of the pour then use the unsifted cement for the rest of the pour with chicken wire inserted for strength. Since those days Dimoncrete and Flashcrete have been formulated and things are much easier...however also much more expensive. Does anyone have a less expensive alternative? Of course I want it all, nice colors, smooth surface and a good price Thanks in advance for any ideas you have. ia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 12:32:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!CWicks6159 From: CWicks6159@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Dragon Patterns Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:24:47 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I was introduced to a couple people that are dragon fanatics and wanted to know if I had ever done any in SG. Naturally I had to be honest and said no but I would work on getting a couple of ideas for dragons in different and fierce looking poses. Do any of you have or know of a pattern book of dragon patterns already designed for me. To me this creature can be quite detailed and beyond my skill of designing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cyndie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 13:23:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!NJDKJD From: NJDKJD@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.38b3994.28bd47fc_boundary" Subject: Re: Back from Glass Visions Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:16:12 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_12a.38b3994.28bd47fc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dorothy.. Read you note of Glass visions. DH and I were there as well, and forgot to at least put a "bungi" cord on my tag. Did not know for sure what idea you all came up with for identification. Did see Ernie of course, but did not have time to talk with him. Did not go to any of the workshops, but did enjoy the three talks that were put on, even though they were really repeats of last year..almost word for word, it seemed. Alas, we do go though for the sale, and ideas and inspiration, like yourself. Since we are from Northeast Pa., we did go past Stroudsburg, and wondered if we wanted to head for Shawnee craft fair, but five hours at W/C was enough for us old folk. Lots and Lots of people there though, weren't there? If only 15 % of W/C sales come from walk-ins, as I was told by MaryAnn, I wonder how much really gets sold out of that place....It must be astronomical amount of glass and "stuff". Ahh, what an obsession we all have. Lots of us put our hand up, when Joe P. asked how many people do not make money on stained glass items they made. Yea, Ernie, I saw your hand stay down. LOL. You all have a nice one...I must put my order away, somewhere.... Nancy --part1_12a.38b3994.28bd47fc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dorothy..
Read you note of Glass visions. DH and I were there as well, and forgot to
at least put a "bungi" cord on my tag. Did not know for sure what idea you
all came up with for identification. Did see Ernie of course, but did not
have time to talk with him.
Did not go to any of the workshops, but did enjoy the three talks that were
put on, even though they were really repeats of last year..almost word for
word, it seemed.
Alas, we do go though for the sale, and ideas and inspiration, like yourself.
Since we are from Northeast Pa., we did go past Stroudsburg, and wondered if
we wanted to head for Shawnee craft fair, but five hours at W/C was enough
for us old folk.
Lots and Lots of people there though, weren't there? If only 15 % of W/C
sales come from walk-ins, as I was told by MaryAnn, I wonder how much really
gets sold out of that place....It must be astronomical amount of glass and
"stuff". Ahh, what an obsession we all have. Lots of us put our hand up,
when Joe P. asked how many people do not make money on stained glass items
they made. Yea, Ernie, I saw your hand stay down. LOL.
You all have a nice one...I must put my order away, somewhere....
Nancy --part1_12a.38b3994.28bd47fc_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 13:53:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Gillian Higson To: CWicks6159@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dragon Patterns Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:37:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@sympatico.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi There is a dragon pattern on the Spectrum website.In the patterns section but I can't remember which set. Regards Gillian CWicks6159@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I was introduced to a couple people that are dragon fanatics and wanted to > know if I had ever done any in SG. Naturally I had to be honest and said no > but I would work on getting a couple of ideas for dragons in different and > fierce looking poses. > > Do any of you have or know of a pattern book of dragon patterns already > designed for me. To me this creature can be quite detailed and beyond my > skill of designing. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cyndie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 14:01:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Dragon Patterns Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk kids coloring books. use http://google.com to find dragon pictures and just trace them. library books of drawings or paintings. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: CWicks6159@aol.com [mailto:CWicks6159@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:25 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Dragon Patterns > > > Hi everyone, > > I was introduced to a couple people that are dragon fanatics > and wanted to > know if I had ever done any in SG. Naturally I had to be > honest and said no > but I would work on getting a couple of ideas for dragons in > different and > fierce looking poses. > > Do any of you have or know of a pattern book of dragon > patterns already > designed for me. To me this creature can be quite detailed > and beyond my > skill of designing. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Cyndie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 16:31:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: yahoo.com!texpenguin From: Sherry Greer To: GlassList Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: frames Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com> Precedence: bulk My mom wants me to make my grandmother a stained glass pic frame for Christmas. The frame itself is no problem, but how do you work the picture area? 2 pieces of picture glass sandwiched and foiled together on only 3 sides? If so, how do you attach the top of the frame to the central area? Or are there ready mady frame kits for such things? Thanks for your help! Sherry ===== Sherry Greer texpenguin@yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 17:01:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!DawnersV From: DawnersV@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e8.19f1dc2c.28bd8741_boundary" Subject: Remove Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:46:09 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_e8.19f1dc2c.28bd8741_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove my address from this list. --part1_e8.19f1dc2c.28bd8741_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove my address from this list. --part1_e8.19f1dc2c.28bd8741_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 28 18:01:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sherry Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: frames Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@yahoo.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Hi Sherry, There are probably several ways to do it. What I've done is to use U came around the back of three sides of the clear glass. Just tack it on. Slide your picture in, and some cardboard to hold the picture tighter. Then for feet of the frame, used some heavy gauge copper wire and attached to the outside of the to outside cames. bent it, and added solder balls fat enough to support hold it up. Hope this makes sense. Suzanne Sherry Greer wrote: > > My mom wants me to make my grandmother a stained glass pic frame for > Christmas. The frame itself is no problem, but how do you work the > picture area? 2 pieces of picture glass sandwiched and foiled together > on only 3 sides? If so, how do you attach the top of the frame to the > central area? 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backs with the swing-out "leg". And you bend the wire down flat to put the picture in, and then bend it back up to hold the picture in. If you are going to use good photos, use the UV resistant glass - or archival glass, as it sometimes called - for the see-thru area. Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Hi Sherry, > > There are probably several ways to do it. What I've done is to use U > came around the back of three sides of the clear glass. Just tack it on. > Slide your picture in, and some cardboard to hold the picture tighter. > > Then for feet of the frame, used some heavy gauge copper wire and > attached to the outside of the to outside cames. bent it, and added > solder balls fat enough to support hold it up. > > Hope this makes sense. > > Suzanne > > Sherry Greer wrote: > > > > My mom wants me to make my grandmother a stained glass pic frame for > > Christmas. The frame itself is no problem, but how do you work the > > picture area? 2 pieces of picture glass sandwiched and foiled together > > on only 3 sides? If so, how do you attach the top of the frame to the > > central area? 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Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 08:04:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: bowling pattern Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:13:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk http://www.warner-criv.com/search/pat_search.asp?mscssid=&ct=wc_patterns&q1= bowling regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynne Black [mailto:sparkylynne@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:43 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: bowling pattern > > > Does anyone have or know of any patterns for some sort > of bowling theme? I really want to make something for > my bowling team mates but am having trouble coming up > with a pattern. > > Thanks. > > Lynne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 09:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: auto.com!robin From: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: light box question Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com> Organization: Auto and Parts.Com Precedence: bulk is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc. thanks robin -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 11:01:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie.Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: light box question Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:38:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@stratus.com> Precedence: bulk oh yes. you save time not having to cut out patterns, gluing them on, tracing, etc. you can cut right on top of the light box for transparent glass, then go to tracing for most all other glasses. you have to use pattern pieces for black, for instance. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC [mailto:robin@auto.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:11 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: light box question > > > is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc. > thanks > robin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 12:31:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: digital.net!dti From: "Rita LeVine" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Bowling Pattern Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:04:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@digital.net> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C1321D.83E8D880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.warner-criv.com/search/pat_search.asp?mscssid=3D&ct=3Dwc_patte= rns&q1=3D bowling regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynne Black [mailto:sparkylynne@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:43 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: bowling pattern >=20 >=20 > Does anyone have or know of any patterns for some sort > of bowling theme? 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------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C1321D.83E8D880-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 14:04:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:47:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: home.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: light box question Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@home.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@auto.com>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk A light box is a wonderful thing to have. It aids in drawing your patterns, and cutting your glass. Suzanne "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" wrote: > > is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc. > thanks > robin > > -- > ******************************************************** > Thank You > Robin Ellison > Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com > 1-888-977-1999 > Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! > Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for > the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating > systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting > and maintenance at a reasonable cost. > AOL FRIENDLY LINK > Auto And Parts > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 15:37:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: aol.com!Mcdeltalum From: Mcdeltalum@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23.10c1e8ac.28c15f70_boundary" Subject: Re: light box question Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:45:20 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk --part1_23.10c1e8ac.28c15f70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/01 9:29:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, robin@auto.com writes: > is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc. > Yes, I switched to cutting glass using a light box several years ago, it's much better. I trace the pattern on the glass, but if you're braver you can cut the glass directly over the pattern. --part1_23.10c1e8ac.28c15f70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/01 9:29:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, robin@auto.com
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is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc.

Yes, I switched to cutting glass using a light box several years ago, it's
much better.
I trace the pattern on the glass, but if you're braver you can cut the glass
directly over the pattern. --part1_23.10c1e8ac.28c15f70_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 17:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: mindspring.com!sonyaamt From: sonyaamt@mindspring.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: light box question Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:53:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk I started using a light box a couple months ago. I find it to be essential in composing a piece. Nothing is better than seeing how different glass work together when light. It gives me a chance to be even more artistic. sonya "Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC" wrote: > is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc. thanks robin -- ******************************************************** Thank You Robin Ellison Auto & Parts... http://www.autoandparts.com 1-888-977-1999 Automotive Internet Services that get RESULTS !! Auto & Parts provides internet solutions exclusively for the Auto Recycling Industry. Offering used part locating systems for buying & selling , web site design, hosting and maintenance at a reasonable cost. AOL FRIENDLY LINK Auto And Parts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 31 21:30:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #534 built 2001-Jul-23) X-Path: exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com!DF125031 From: "Becker, Donna" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: light box question Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:14:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com> Precedence: bulk I LOVE my light box! I couldn't do without it. If you are going to make one, which is very easy, I would suggest using a clear Plexiglas. Make sure it's thick enough though. If you don't, larger pieces that you are cutting tend to break when you are cutting them because the Plexiglas boughs with the pressure of your cutting. I know some people like the Morton-like top, to catch there glass shards, but I can see through more types of class if using something clear. Then if I decide that the light is too bright, I lay a sheet of freezer paper over it, and then it's not so bright. Yipes! I'm really not very good at explaining things, am I? Have a great day! Donna Becker donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitzer, Charlie [mailto:Charlie.Spitzer@stratus.com] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:39 AM To: 'glass@bungi.com' Subject: re: light box question oh yes. you save time not having to cut out patterns, gluing them on, tracing, etc. you can cut right on top of the light box for transparent glass, then go to tracing for most all other glasses. you have to use pattern pieces for black, for instance. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Ellison - Auto And Parts, LLC [mailto:robin@auto.com] > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:11 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: light box question > > > is having a light box a good idea, and is it used for tracing, etc. > thanks > robin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass