From owner-glass Mon Jan 1 07:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:10:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Lynda Burleigh Subject: Re: Cleaning old glass Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:29:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Lynda, I am assuming that there is no staining or painting on this glass that you write about. Soak the glass in warm water. After ca 30 mins scrub with plain clean water and fiber brush (like a nail brush, maybe). See what residue is left. If you have the residue of cement around the edges, put back into clean warm water for up to a day. Then you can try first, the previous process; second, cream cleaners, like you use on the fibreglass bath, and a fibre brush; third, use a brass wire brush (never steel) on these edges; fourth, use a blade held almost parallel to the glass, with the glass on a hard clean and smooth surface (This is last, as it is most likely to break the glass). Best wishes Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Lynda Burleigh writes >Hi All.. > >I hope I'm doing this right as it's my first time writing to the group. > >I have been given pieces of used stained glass that has been removed >from it's original window. >The lead came had been removed....Is there something someone could >suggest for cleaning off the built up residue from element exposure? >The color is a very unusual grape-amythyst colored cathedral that I >would love to reuse. Is this a no-no? > >Thanks, > >Lynda > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 1 13:31:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:22:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: technology21.com!lsg From: To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass painting Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 16:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0740D.CC2EF440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for someone to do some piece work. I need the head and = hands of Jesus to be painted. I will supply templates for each with a = general sketch of what I am looking for. Is there anyone out there doing this work? Do you have someone you would recommend? Not that it really matters now a days but I am located in New Jersey, = USA. Thanks Michael from LSG Creations ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0740D.CC2EF440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am looking for someone to do some piece work. I = need the=20 head and hands of Jesus to be painted. I will supply templates for each = with a=20 general sketch of what I am looking for.
 
Is there anyone out there doing this = work?
Do you have someone you would = recommend?
 
Not that it really matters now a days but I am = located in New=20 Jersey, USA.
 
Thanks
 
Michael from LSG Creations
 
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0740D.CC2EF440-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 1 18:32:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:24:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New in craft stores Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:34:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Bags of glass chunks, maybe tumbled for a day in a rock tumbler, to be used for making your own garden stores! About enough to fill a sandwich bag, for only $6.95! Think of the scrap you've all made...didn't know it was worth that much, did you? Off to install a new scanner. Happy New millenium, everyone. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 3 10:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:51:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass Art Society 2001 Conference Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:46:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk IGGA Press release. Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Glass Art Society, INTERNET:CommCoord@glassart.org To: [unknown], INTERNET:members@igga.org Date: 01/02/2001 3:55 PM RE: Glass Art Society 2001 Conference = Contact: Penny Berk, Executive Director Tamara Gill, Communications Coordinator, 206-382-1305, email:info@glassar= t.org December 20, 2000 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Glass Art Society to hold its 31st Annual Conference At the Crossroads of Art, History, and Technology June 13-17, 2001 Corning, New York Conference Brochure, with program and registration information, is = now available from the Glass Art Society. Registration begins January = 15, 2001. The Glass Art Society's 31st annual conference will be held in = Corning, New York, home of The Corning Museum of Glass (CMOG), which = houses the world's premier glass collection-over 35,000 pieces = spanning 3,500 years. Appropriately dubbed "The Crystal City," = Corning is the perfect location for the four days of glass art = demonstrations, lectures, and other events that the conference will = provide. THE CONFERENCE PROGRAM Glassworking demonstrations, lectures, panel discussions, Technical = Display, the Resource Center, and more will take place at The Corning = Museum of Glass. Lectures include topics such as Glassroots = Architecture Trilogy (1970-2001), Mosaic Matters-An Artist's View, = and Sculptural Flameworking. Panel discussions include Art and/or = Glass: Museums and Collecting, Furnace Builders, Color Bars, and = Emerging Artists; while demonstrations cover glassworking techniques = such as glass carving, flameworking, casting and blowing. AWARD RECIPIENTS AND KEYNOTE LECTURER Lifetime Achievement Award: Thomas Buechner Honorary Lifetime Membership: Marc Peiser Keynote Speaker: Barbara Maria Stafford: Leibniz's Cosmology: = Reflections in a Kircherian Mirror ARTISTS AND LECTURERS Demonstrating Artists as of 12/20/00 Bennett Battaile Anna Boothe Robin Cass Richard Clements Rene Culler Irene Frolic Dudley Giberson Bill Gudenrath Jiri Harcuba Judy Hill Eric Hilton Peter Ivy Frantisek Janak Edward Kish Lou Lynn Dante Marioni Iwao Matsushima Ralph Mossman Mary Mullaney Mica Okuno Marc Petrovic Susan Plum Colin Reid Rene Roberts Kari Russell-Poole Emilio Santini Jeffrey Spencer Sam Stang Denise Stillwaggon Leone Loren Stump Lino Tagliapietra Takio Takemasa Cesare Toffolo Gianni Toso Milon Townsend Richard Whiteley Lecturers and Panelists as of 12/20/00 Scott Benefield Thomas S. Buechner John Chiles Charlie Correll John Croucher Erwin Eisch Dudley Giberson Henry Halem Jiri Harcuba Richard Harned Edward Kish Stephen Koob Warren Langley John Leighton Joseph Maio Gabriel Mayer Richard Meitner Tina Oldknow Mark Peiser Flo Perkins Richard Posner Michael Schunke Josh Simpson Cady Coleman Simpson Stephen Sinotte Rick Snyderman Ruth Snyderman Vanessa Somers Vreeland Dr. Barbara Maria Stafford Joanne Stuhr Lino Tagliapietra Takio Takemasa Cappy Thompson Gianni Toso Milon Townsend Durk Valkema Peter VanderLaan Dick Weiss David Whitehouse Nicholas Williams Frank Woolley TECHNICAL DISPLAY The Technical Display, with booths from 49 vendors, offers attendees = the chance to purchase glass-related materials, supplies, and = services. EXHIBITIONS The Corning Museum of Glass will be showing Glass of the Sultans; The = Studio of The Corning Museum of Glass will be presenting work of = artists from The Studio and the Carder-Steuben Glass Collection; and = several other galleries will be hosting exhibitions in Corning. = Exhibitions in the Corning vicinity include The Everson Museum in = Syracuse with Gustav Stickley and His Era; the Herbert F. Johnson = Museum of Art at Cornell University housing Tiffany Glass; Arno Art = Museum in Elmira with recent work by Josh Simpson; and Gallery R in = Rochester with the work of emerging artists from the RIT Glass = Department. G.A.S. AUCTIONS The Annual Auction and the Goblet Grab allow conference participants = the opportunity to purchase works of art while supporting the Glass = Art Society. A portion of the proceeds from the Goblet Grab go to = the Craft Emergency Relief Fund. The Annual Auction is open to the = public and will take place Saturday, June 16, at 6pm at the Radisson = Hotel Ballroom. GLASS FASHION SHOW Outfits created using any form of glass will be modeled during = opening ceremonies. To participate in this event contact Laura = Donefer at 613-372-0377, hickie@kos.net, by February 15, 2001. TOURS A kick-off dinner and private tour will include an elegant dinner and = exclusive tour of eleven large-scale glass installations commissioned = for the atria of the East and West wings of the Headquarters, Corning = Incorporated. Featured artists are Peter Aldridge, Dale Chihuly, = Erwin Eisch, Rury Iwata, Stanislav Libensky and Jaroslava Brychtova, = Donald Lipski, William Morris, Therman Statom, Bertil Vallien, Harumi = Yukutake, and Dana Zamecnikova. These works are not normally offered = for public view. Attendees will also have the opportunity to tour the Sullivan Park = Research Center, Fall Brook Manufacturing Plant, and the Steuben = Factory. A guided tour of The Corning Museum of Glass will be = offered, as well as a tour of the glass installations at the = Headquarters, Corning Incorporated. WORKSHOPS Conference attendees can make the most of their trip to New York by = attending Pre- and Post-Conference Workshops offered by a variety of = locations in and outside of Corning. Workshops and contact = information are listed in the Conference Brochure. NEW THIS YEAR The Murrini Project offers glass artists a chance to create a piece = of Glass Art Society history. Each Murrini has the words "G.A.S. = 1971-2001" in honor of G.A.S.'s 30th anniversary. Artists can = purchase a Murrini, use it in a piece of artwork, and donate the = artwork to G.A.S. for exhibition and auction at the 2001 conference. = All proceeds from the Murrini Project will support the continued = growth and development of the Glass Art Society. For photos or more information, contact the Glass Art Society at = 206-382-1305; fax 206-382-2630; E-mail: info@glassart.org, Web: www.glassart.org, 1305 Fourth Ave. = #711, Seattle, WA 98101-2401 USA. The Glass Art Society (G.A.S.) is a non-profit organization of = artists, educators, historians, students, collectors, critics, = manufacturers and others interested and involved in the production, = technology and aesthetics of glass. Founded in 1971 by a small group = of artist/educators who wanted to exchange information and ideas = about the new technologies available, G.A.S. membership has grown to = over 2,500 and includes members from 46 countries. Each year G.A.S. = holds an Annual Conference, publishes the annual G.A.S. Journal, = bi-monthly G.A.S. Newsletter, annual Membership and Education Roster, = and Resource Guide. An active web site, www.glassart.org, provides = ongoing information and links to members' web sites. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 05:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:13:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: together.net!jbuckner From: Jennifer Buckner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Theft in Billings, MT Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:19:06 -0500 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010104081204.00aad450@pop.together.net> Precedence: bulk On Dec. 27th a glass artist by the name of Dione Roberts had several large pieces of her work stolen from her studio. The following web sites show photos of some of those pieces. If anyone sees any one of the pieces, please contact the police. Jennifer Jennifer G. Buckner jbuckner@together.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 4 07:24:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:15:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Atlanta Glass Art Guild Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I know there were a couple of people on the list who were interested in coming to the next Guild meeting here in Atlanta. A meeting is now being planned for Jan. 21 at 2:00. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me privately and I'll get you more information. Jerri www.beadbimbo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 6 20:31:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:27:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: hello??!!?? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:27:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Havent gotten any bungi mail at all in a few days... Anyone still alive out there? Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 6 20:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:44:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Byron Wells" , Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Byron, You took the words right out of my mouth. I guess everyone is recouperating from the holidays. Happy Glassing, Linda Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Wells" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: hello??!!?? > Havent gotten any bungi mail at all in a few days... Anyone still alive out > there? > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 6 22:30:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:07:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:09:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010107000935.00d82208@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk post holiday rest period. It's bitter cold, and I've got a bit of the winter blahs, myself. Just got a new glass magazine to try to stir the creative ambition a bit. Think I'll dust off the torch and make a few beads, for a change of pace. dee At 09:27 PM 1/6/01 -0600, you wrote: >Havent gotten any bungi mail at all in a few days... Anyone still alive out >there? > >Byron... >Wells Glassworks > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 00:30:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:03:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:41:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Working long days this weekend, between the studio and a home show. I had an unexpected meeting when a woman approached me at the show and said "could you be Suzanne by any chance?" I thought I must have talked to her on the phone at the studio, but it turns out I talked her her on Warner Criv's live Glass Visions Glass Chat! ;o) It was a fun surprise! Suzanne Was really Byron Wells wrote: > > Havent gotten any bungi mail at all in a few days... Anyone still alive out > there? > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 12:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:03:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: zoomnet.net!ella From: "ELLA" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: no e-mail Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078BA.6F972340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I also have missed all the info I learn from this sight. I have = signed up for 4 class at the Las Vegas Glass Expo in March. So = excited"" Has anyone we know gone and do they have any hints for a = beginner. ella ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078BA.6F972340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I also have missed all the info I = learn from=20 this sight.  I have signed up for 4 class at the Las Vegas Glass = Expo in=20 March.  So excited""  Has anyone we know gone and do they have = any=20 hints for a beginner.  ella
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C078BA.6F972340-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 12:39:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:36:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 13:38:57 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I haven't sent any messages until today from my computer since Christmas Day when I received a virus with a bungi message. After much messing around I finally believe I am virus free and won't infect anyone else. I have taken about a month off from doing any stained glass and am trying to completely reorganize my work area. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 14:10:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:01:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: ella@zoomnet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: no e-mail Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:33:43 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Ella, I went last year, and it was great. The classes I took were well worth the time and money, and I will go again if time permits. As far as advice, take clothes for cooler weather than you would expect for Las Vegas - the classrooms in the convention center are COLD! Shorts and Tshirts were not enough, some of us were layering sweaters and jackets, so bring a mix. Everyone was very friendly, the exhibits were great, plenty to see and do outside of the glass event - you'll have a great time! Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 14:25:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:02:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: Bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:08:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010107160816.0079a8c0@popd.netcom.ca> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk pretty quiet up here in canada also!.......still getting over all the turkey i guess.... ;-) ...bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 19:00:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:52:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Yea I kept getting that kak thing myself and a few others lately. Went out and got Norton Antivirus and fried the critters.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Dahlin To: Byron Wells Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: Re: hello??!!?? > I haven't sent any messages until today from my computer since Christmas > Day when I received a virus with a bungi message. After much messing > around I finally believe I am virus free and won't infect anyone else. > I have taken about a month off from doing any stained glass and am > trying to completely reorganize my work area. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 20:31:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:28:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:53:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<000501c07863$62ebf460$203e493f@ilnk.com>> Precedence: bulk Must be nice to actually take the holidays off! I worked straight through em all...Barely keeping ahead of my orders lately.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Byron Wells ; Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: hello??!!?? > Byron, > You took the words right out of my mouth. I guess everyone is recouperating > from the holidays. > Happy Glassing, > Linda Jo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Byron Wells" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:27 PM > Subject: hello??!!?? > > > > Havent gotten any bungi mail at all in a few days... Anyone still alive > out > > there? > > > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 20:59:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:48:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Patrick Dirks" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: do I know you? or you me? Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk your on a list serv, it means that you get your questions answered, but you'll also get everyone else's answer as well. ---Mike Savad --- Mike's Stained Glass - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, stained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. --- 11-7-00 - New Stuff Added: How to solder a nice bead, and several new projects. You can now search my site with a built in engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Dirks [mailto:buymypipes@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 12:36 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: do I know you? or you me? > > > Hi, > I've been getting emails from people not derected to me but to you: > glass@bungi. > I don't mind but if you didn't know about it yet I'll help solve the > 'problem'(?). > > Bye, > Patrick > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 7 23:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:14:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: earthlink.net!meyer64 From: "Meyer" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Las Vegas Classes Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 15:29:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C078BE.9164DE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ella, I have also singed up for four classes in Vegas. Which ones are = you taking? I am going on Wednesday and taking classes on Thursday and = Friday. Thursday I have the Sandblasting and Etching class and the Hot & Wired = class. Friday I have the Fusing Dichroc Glass and The Difference = between doing business & making money classes. Has anyone taken any of = these classes before? This is my first time going. I am real excited. Oh by the way I have a posted new free patterns on my website. Check it = out if your interested. http://www.geocities.com\dmeyer64 Debra Meyer ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C078BE.9164DE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ella, I have also singed up for four = classes in=20 Vegas.  Which ones are you taking?  I am going on Wednesday = and taking=20 classes on Thursday and Friday.
Thursday I have the Sandblasting = and Etching=20 class and the Hot & Wired class.  Friday I have the Fusing = Dichroc=20 Glass and The Difference between doing business & making money=20 classes.  Has anyone taken any of these classes before?  This = is my=20 first time going.  I am real excited.
Oh by the way I have a posted new free = patterns on=20 my website.  Check it out if your interested.  http://www.geocities.com\dmeye= r64
 
Debra Meyer
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C078BE.9164DE00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 03:30:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Richard LaVal" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Psychological effects of color Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 21:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.20001224064912.0080e160@127.0.0.1>> Precedence: bulk though i havn't checked the whole site yet... that site's intro made me a bit sick... ---Mike Savad --- Mike's Stained Glass - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, stained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. --- 11-7-00 - New Stuff Added: How to solder a nice bead, and several new projects. You can now search my site with a built in engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard LaVal [mailto:rlaval@sol.racsa.co.cr] > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 7:49 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Psychological effects of color > > > > > >Color is a very complex issue-- sonetimes we love a color, but in a > >certain context (say, just a little box on a desk) and other times we > >love to be immersed in a color, like wearing it, but that is even > >different than being in a room painted that color.=20 > > > =20 > > A whole other issue is something called Irlen Syndrome... and I > bet some of > you have it without even knowing it.... Hate sunlight? learning problems? > migraines? etc... these are only a few of the symptoms... They think it > is a disability of the brain to process certain portions of the > spectrum of > light, so your brain short circuits and causes problems. Anyone > interested > in more info can check out www.Irlen.com I am a screener, and > part of the > screening process is using colored overlays to see if some of the symptoms > can be stopped... it is very interesting the reactions people have to some > of the colors.. some they love, and some actually make them > instantly sick! > By the way... most people can be "cured" by wearing a colored lens, made > especially for them of the unique color which they need. Meg > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA > =BA=BA=BA= > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA > =BA=BA=BA= > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA > =BA=BA=BA= > =BA > =BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA=BA > RICHARD AND MEG LAVAL > Apdo 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > > PHONE 645-5052 or 645-5419 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 04:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:10:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "David Cogen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: parallel mashers Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200012191358.IAA12470@poblano.llan.ll.mit.edu>> Precedence: bulk i wonder if there's anything related to the HVAC field. i know they make various duct crimpers, though i don't know how powerful they are, nor if they are parallel or not. ---Mike Savad --- Mike's Stained Glass - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, stained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. --- 11-7-00 - New Stuff Added: How to solder a nice bead, and several new projects. You can now search my site with a built in engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cogen [mailto:cogen@ll.mit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:59 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: parallel mashers > > > Can anyone recommend a true parallel-action mashing plier? We have the > "clothspin masher" sold by Frantz and probably elsewhere which was > misleadingly advertised as parallel-action but it is not. I don't remember > Wale or Frantz having anything suitable. The plates must be at least 1.5x2 > inches. > > If nothing for glass work exists, I am considering having > something fabricated > by welding plates onto an automotive parallel-action plier, but > cannot even > find such a plier! These used to be common many years ago. I have checked > Sears and automotive stored but nothing has turned up. Any > recommendations for > this, too? > > Thanks for any leads. > > --DavidC > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 18:02:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:56:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: tekstar.com!lmm From: "Lowell & Mary Moser" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: mailing list Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:58:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenna Rand" To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: mailing list > Hi > > You are on the stained glass email mailing list. There have been > some technical changes. > > As a reminder to all, the stained glass list is intended to be a resource > that people can use to discuss issues related to glass work. It is not for > discussing the personal habits of people, or their probably parentage. We > *do not* want to moderate this list. We feel that people should have the > ability to express their ideas openly. > > Please; this list goes to over 400 people, all around the world. There > *will* be differences of opinion. If so, please take it offline. To that > end, I have made a technical change in how the list works. Before, replying > would automatically send to the stained glass list. Now, replying will send > the message back only to the originator. If your reply is meant for the > list as well, you will need to change the To: address to glass@bungi.com. > > Hopefully, this minor change will both help avoid the recent flame-fests, > and help people stay in a positive frame of mind. > > Let us know if you have any questions. > > Dave & Glenna Rand > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 18:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:01:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: Patrick Kelly To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: parallel mashers Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:14:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds like a pair of sheet metal tools. Like vise grips but with a large flat bill on either side. my two cents worth... Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 18:49:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:45:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: mailing list Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:46:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Ahh.. This would explain the lack of mail... Most people must not be changing the TO: to bungi and all the mail is going to individuals instead of the list... ----- Original Message ----- From: Lowell & Mary Moser To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: Re: mailing list > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenna Rand" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 6:07 PM > Subject: mailing list > > > > Hi > > > > You are on the stained glass email mailing list. There have been > > some technical changes. > > > > As a reminder to all, the stained glass list is intended to be a resource > > that people can use to discuss issues related to glass work. It is not > for > > discussing the personal habits of people, or their probably parentage. We > > *do not* want to moderate this list. We feel that people should have the > > ability to express their ideas openly. > > > > Please; this list goes to over 400 people, all around the world. There > > *will* be differences of opinion. If so, please take it offline. To that > > end, I have made a technical change in how the list works. Before, > replying > > would automatically send to the stained glass list. Now, replying will > send > > the message back only to the originator. If your reply is meant for the > > list as well, you will need to change the To: address to glass@bungi.com. > > > > Hopefully, this minor change will both help avoid the recent flame-fests, > > and help people stay in a positive frame of mind. > > > > Let us know if you have any questions. > > > > Dave & Glenna Rand > > > > > > -- > > Glenna Rand > > gjr@bungi.com > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 8 23:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:11:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: sunrise-sunset.com!sansu From: "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" To: glass@bungi.com. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [no subject] Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:28:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am interested in hearing from glass artists who use or have used a glass saw in their work. I am considering purchasing a Gryphon Wire Saw and would like any feedback, experiences, suggestions, etc. Thanks for you help! _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 03:02:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:31:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rod4ríguez Echebarria" To: Bungi List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: anybody there? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:29:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello bungians And happy new year to all; I haven't received any message from this list for ages and wondered whether everyone is on holidays or there's something wrong with my mail service/system. I have just finished my first ever craft fair without lossing money, even made some after expenses. Do you think it is worth making small cheap articles for this sort of event, even if such articles hardly (or not at all) give profits? I have sold just one lamp (which is what I mainly make) and 105 pendants (quite cheap, just 1700 pesetas each). I wonder how hard were studio owners beginnings and how did you manage to keep your chin up when you were down. Any advice appreciated. Best regards Elena in Spain ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 06:30:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 06:10:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Elena Rod4ríguez Echebarria" , Subject: Re: anybody there? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Re; Gryphon Saw I have one like it, worked for 11 years without one, but it is a nice addition to a studio. Re:anybody there I don't do the little stuff, but there are folks that spend a lot of time making suncatchers and stuff and do make money going to craft shows. Do what you feel is right for you. Re: mail I am getting my mail back when I try to send it to bungi, being rejected at their server for some reason. So this is sort of a test. Linda Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elena Rod4ríguez Echebarria" To: "Bungi List" Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 5:29 AM Subject: anybody there? > Hello bungians > And happy new year to all; I haven't received any message from this list > for ages and wondered whether everyone is on holidays or there's > something wrong with my mail service/system. I have just finished my > first ever craft fair without lossing money, even made some after > expenses. Do you think it is worth making small cheap articles for this > sort of event, even if such articles hardly (or not at all) give > profits? I have sold just one lamp (which is what I mainly make) and 105 > pendants (quite cheap, just 1700 pesetas each). > I wonder how hard were studio owners beginnings and how did you manage > to keep your chin up when you were down. Any advice appreciated. > > Best regards > Elena in Spain > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 09:09:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:02:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jill M" To: "Meyer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Las Vegas Classes Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:59:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Debra, I have took the Sandblasting and Etching class and Hot and Wired last year in Las Vegas. You will enjoy both classes. Dobbins are great teachers and I took the carving class the next day and it gives you an overall view of blasting. Linda Abbott is a hoot for Hot and Wired! You have FUN!! Jill Medlyn >Ella, I have also singed up for four classes in Vegas. Which ones are = >you taking? I am going on Wednesday and taking classes on Thursday and = >Friday. >Thursday I have the Sandblasting and Etching class and the Hot & Wired = >class. Friday I have the Fusing Dichroc Glass and The Difference = >between doing business & making money classes. Has anyone taken any of = >these classes before? This is my first time going. I am real excited. >Oh by the way I have a posted new free patterns on my website. Check it = >out if your interested. http://www.geocities.com\dmeyer64 > >Debra Meyer > >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C078BE.9164DE00 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Ella, I have also singed up for four = >classes in=20 >Vegas.  Which ones are you taking?  I am going on Wednesday = >and taking=20 >classes on Thursday and Friday.
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Thursday I have the Sandblasting = >and Etching=20 >class and the Hot & Wired class.  Friday I have the Fusing = >Dichroc=20 >Glass and The Difference between doing business & making money=20 >classes.  Has anyone taken any of these classes before?  This = >is my=20 >first time going.  I am real excited.
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Oh by the way I have a posted new free = >patterns on=20 >my website.  Check it out if your interested.  href=3D"http://www.geocities.com\dmeyer64">http://www.geocities.com\dmeye= >r64
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> >------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C078BE.9164DE00-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 09:31:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:03:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: elere@clientes.euskaltel.es, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.be43d3.278c9bf2_boundary" Subject: Re: anybody there? Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:53:06 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_d6.be43d3.278c9bf2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/01 3:02:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, elere@clientes.euskaltel.es writes: > I have just finished my > first ever craft fair without lossing money, even made some after > expenses. Do you think it is worth making small cheap articles for this > sort of event, even if such articles hardly (or not at all) give > profits? I have sold just one lamp (which is what I mainly make) and 105 > pendants (quite cheap, just 1700 pesetas each). Sometimes orders for large items can put you over the top for a good show. Try to display a couple of larger items and have a portfolio of works you have done. The small items for direct sale then are just a come on. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Don't forget to punch out the candidate of your choice. --part1_d6.be43d3.278c9bf2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/9/01 3:02:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
elere@clientes.euskaltel.es writes:

I have just finished my
first ever craft fair without lossing money, even made some after
expenses. Do you think it is worth making small cheap articles for this
sort of event, even if such articles hardly (or not at all) give
profits? I have sold just one lamp (which is what I mainly make) and 105
pendants (quite cheap, just 1700 pesetas each).
Sometimes orders for large items can put you over the top for a good show.
Try to display a couple of larger items and have a portfolio of works you
have done. The small items for direct sale then are just a come on.





Bob in 9 2 0 2 6
Don't forget to punch out the candidate of your choice. --part1_d6.be43d3.278c9bf2_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 14:30:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hello??!!?? Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010107160816.0079a8c0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk I've been busy with some family stuff, but have designs to do, so will be starting those. Got a new scanner just before Christmas and finally have that hooked up and ready to play with. We had a good year last year and there were itmes we could have sold LOTS of, if only we had....We make little angels out of scrap and never had enough in November and December, so John is making some now, during our slow time, so we can just pull 'em out of a box this fall. We're also putting together our spring craft fair schedule...ie, getting the applications together. Plus working on taxes, etc.. Busy still. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 16:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:45:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: grapevine.com!Hot1 From: "Free Sex !!" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: 60,000 Searched! Best Free xxx Sites Revealed!! 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We'll even throw in some Movie sites with x-rated short films. _____________________________________________________________ REMOVAL: Reply and type the word REMOVE in your email subject line. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 19:32:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:25:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [no subject] Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:20:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk It is my understanding that the Tarus II saw is outselling the Gryphon saws by a large margin. If I were you I would try both out before purchasing. Go to the shop where you expect to buy the saw or go to a stained glass trade show such as the one forthcoming in Las Vegas in March. The Tarus II is so easy and takes a lot more abuse than the Gryphon saw will take. But the final answer has to be your own preference after using both saws. PJ On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, sansu@sunrise-sunset.com wrote: > I am interested in hearing from glass artists who use or have used a glass > saw in their work. I am considering purchasing a Gryphon Wire Saw and > would like any feedback, experiences, suggestions, etc. Thanks for you > help! > > _____________________________________________ > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 21:00:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:34:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Saws Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07A8C.65F8FB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sansu, I have not tried the new Gryphon saw. I have an old one and have not = used it since I got my new Gemini (Taurus?)Ring Saw. I love the ring = saw and attachments. Moya ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07A8C.65F8FB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C07A8C.65F8FB00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 21:01:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:44:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!beadnik From: Joan To: "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [no subject] Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:43:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Check the newsgroup rec.crafts.glass. There is an interesting thread on this very subject right now. Joan --- --- "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" wrote: > I am interested in hearing from glass artists who > use or have used a glass > saw in their work. I am considering purchasing a > Gryphon Wire Saw and > would like any feedback, experiences, suggestions, > etc. Thanks for you > help! > > _____________________________________________ > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 9 21:16:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:44:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!beadnik From: Joan To: "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [no subject] Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:43:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Check the newsgroup rec.crafts.glass. There is an interesting thread on this very subject right now. Joan --- --- "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" wrote: > I am interested in hearing from glass artists who > use or have used a glass > saw in their work. I am considering purchasing a > Gryphon Wire Saw and > would like any feedback, experiences, suggestions, > etc. Thanks for you > help! > > _____________________________________________ > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 08:01:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:50:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG: Business Checks Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Clear DaySome time ago, someone asked if anyone knew a company that prints checks with stained glass themes. I would like to know if anyone has found such a company? May your day be as beautiful as you are...! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 09:06:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. Gail in Nova Scotia -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 09:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:16:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: attcanada.net!tuka From: To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:13:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I too would appreciate receiving the responses to this question... Thank you Shiela tuka@attcanada.net I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. Gail in Nova Scotia -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 10:40:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:33:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!beadnik From: Joan To: lin payton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [no subject] Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:32:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I know you can read it, and most other newsgroups, at www.deja.com. Click on "rec", then click on "crafts" and find rec.crafts.glass. You can also search the archives for old posts there. Joan --- lin payton wrote: > how do you get to rec.crafts.glass? I used to keep > up with that newsgroup but haven't been able to > "join" since i changed over to MSN as my server. > Any help would be appreciated in finding the > newsgroup. > TIA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joan > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:16 PM > To: sansu@sunrise-sunset.com; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: [no subject] > > > > Check the newsgroup rec.crafts.glass. There is an > interesting thread on this very subject right now. > > Joan > --- > --- "sansu@sunrise-sunset.com" > wrote: > > I am interested in hearing from glass artists who > > use or have used a glass > > saw in their work. I am considering purchasing a > > Gryphon Wire Saw and > > would like any feedback, experiences, suggestions, > > etc. Thanks for you > > help! > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass
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> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 11:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:20:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com!DF125031 From: "Becker, Donna" To: glass Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to receive the responses to this as well. Thanks! Donna Becker donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com > -----Original Message----- > From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:16 AM > To: glass > Subject: Ceiling panels > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 12:52:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:13:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: email.msn.com!mgschuette From: "marcia schuette" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:17:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk ditto,i'd like to receive the responses to the ceiling panels also. thank you marcia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becker, Donna" to receive the responses to this as well. > > Thanks! " by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 12:53:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:24:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fbol.com!Patty.McMaster From: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:54:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to receive the response(s) to this as well. & would like to know what design(s) Gail is using Obviously, this is in lead , correct? Thank You, Patricia McMaster pattymcmaster@fbol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- > From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:16 AM > To: glass > Subject: Ceiling panels > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass *********************************************************************************************** NOTE: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received or otherwise recorded by the First Banks corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. *********************************************************************************************** *********************************************************************************************** NOTE: All e-mail sent to and from this address will be received or otherwise recorded by the First Banks corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring or review by, and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. *********************************************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 13:14:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:29:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fsg.prusec.com!cava From: cava@fsg.prusec.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:51:07 -0500 Message-ID: <01011114510747@fsg.prusec.com> Precedence: bulk I would like to receive the info on this subject as well. Thanks in advance. Lucille From: SMTP%"DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com" 11-JAN-2001 14:49:31.81 To: CAVA CC: Subj: RE: Ceiling panels X-Path: exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com!DF125031 From: DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to receive the responses to this as well. Thanks! Donna Becker donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com > -----Original Message----- > From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:16 AM > To: glass > Subject: Ceiling panels > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 13:54:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: POBox.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine BethSchneider" To: "Becker, Donna" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:20:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I would like them also. Thanks! Nadine Beth Schneider Nadine's Folly, Ltd www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 14:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:52:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:51:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Gail I would think that 1 piece if 3/8 steel rebar somewhere near the center would be more than enough..I assume your using lead came. I do a lot of double doors for front entries that are usually 24x50 and if their kids can destroy the doors slamming em with 1 piece of 3/8 steel then it oughta hold a static panel just fine... Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail HeinzeMiline To: glass Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Ceiling panels > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 14:02:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!lindsey1713 From: Lindsey Edwards To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: REMOVE Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:35:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove lindsey1713@yahoo.com from your mailing list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 14:15:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:38:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Gail HeinzeMiline , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:34:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk I'd reinforce the back side of the panel with rebar which would then go into the wood frame. You'll have to cut notches into the wood frame for the rebar to sit into. Suzanne Gail HeinzeMiline wrote: > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 14:35:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:11:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Newsgroups Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:32:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk I had a similar problem because I upgraded my browser. You probably need to contact your isp's tech support to get the correct address to type into your newsgroup preferences. Suzanne > --- lin payton wrote: > > how do you get to rec.crafts.glass? I used to keep > > up with that newsgroup but haven't been able to > > "join" since i changed over to MSN as my server. > > Any help would be appreciated in finding the > > newsgroup. > > TIA > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 15:00:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:39:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Ceiling panel Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:25:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Gail, On thinking some more re your ceiling panels...you wont need to notch the wood as it will be on the front side of your panel, not the back where the rebar would be. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 15:18:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:39:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!SHOEYLES From: SHOEYLES@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ac.f73d96b.278f9029_boundary" Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:39:37 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_ac.f73d96b.278f9029_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove shoeyles@aol.com from your mailing list for the present time. 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Thank you. --part1_ac.f73d96b.278f9029_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 15:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:18:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:15:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Me, too. I have a panel that needs reinforcing now for an 18" square ceiling pantel! --- cava@fsg.prusec.com wrote: > I would like to receive the info on this > subject as well. > > Thanks in advance. > > Lucille > > From: SMTP%"DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com" > 11-JAN-2001 14:49:31.81 > To: CAVA > CC: > Subj: RE: Ceiling panels > > X-Path: exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com!DF125031 > From: DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Content-Type: text/plain > Subject: RE: Ceiling panels > Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:18:56 -0500 > Message-Id: <1970Jan1.000.0> > Precedence: bulk > > I would like to receive the responses to this as > well. > > Thanks! > > Donna Becker > donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca > [SMTP:heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca] > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:16 AM > > To: glass > > Subject: Ceiling panels > > > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling > panels to go over a > > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent > tubes. Each panel is > > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable > so the client can > > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about > reinforcing something > > like this? The framing is already in place ( > holding plexiglass right > > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak > with a 1/4" lip where > > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > > > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Click here for Free Video!! > > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ===== Thank you, Barbara Elmore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 15:34:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:22:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Newsgroups Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:21:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Try www.deja.com/group/rec.crafts.glass I am totally a computer dummy so don't even know how to make that a whatchacallit blue thingie so that you can go directly. My problem, as may be yours, is my ISP doesn't subscribe to this newsgroup. So, this seems to be a way around it, but it is filled with advertising. --- Suzanne Gunn wrote: > I had a similar problem because I upgraded my > browser. You probably > need to contact your isp's tech support to get the > correct address to > type into your newsgroup preferences. > Suzanne > > > --- lin payton wrote: > > > how do you get to rec.crafts.glass? I used to > keep > > > up with that newsgroup but haven't been able to > > > "join" since i changed over to MSN as my server. > > > > Any help would be appreciated in finding the > > > newsgroup. > > > TIA > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ===== Thank you, Barbara Elmore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 16:19:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:48:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: juno.com!himest From: himest@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: solder iron Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:29:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Question, I am a beginner glass person, and want to buy a good solder iron. Does everyone suggest a standard iron w/ a temperature control added to it OR A solder iron with a built-in temperature controller. I have used an iron that was plugged into a temp control box and had hard time controlling the heat (too hot too cold) - so are the built in temp controls better to contro temps? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 17:00:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:48:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: solder iron Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:44:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk get a regular iron, and add the reostat to it. i heard that the built in controllers, aren't as sensitve, and can break. ---Mike Savad --- Mike's Stained Glass - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, stained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. --- 11-7-00 - New Stuff Added: How to solder a nice bead, and several new projects. You can now search my site with a built in engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: himest@juno.com [mailto:himest@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:29 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: solder iron > > > Question, I am a beginner glass person, and want to buy a good solder > iron. > > Does everyone suggest a standard iron w/ a temperature control added to > it > OR > A solder iron with a built-in temperature controller. > > > I have used an iron that was plugged into a temp control box and had hard > time controlling the heat (too hot too cold) - so are the built in temp > controls better to contro temps? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 18:38:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:18:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: one.net!gwood To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Thu Jan 11 18:17:33 2001 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Something to consider in these types of panels in existing openings is the over all weight. The 'thickness' and means of attachment of the 'lip' on the frame, while holding Plexiglas quit well, may not be substantial enough to hold the weight of the panel, especially a leaded one. Make sure the existing lighting fixture can tolerate the increase in weight. Also, make sure there is clearance inside the fixture to allow for reinforcement as most commercial fixtures are 'thickness sensitive'. Also, in panels in 'non-vertical' situations, especially leaded, simple reinforcing down the center will not be enough. Reinforced panels in doors & such, while withstanding the transient forces of opening, closing & slamming, are strongest in the direction of gravity with each piece, along with the came, lending strength to the unit. Non-horizontal panels have to withstand the force of gravity where each piece can not rely on its neighbor for strength and most importantly fights _against_ the came. Solder is less prone to stretching but is more brittle and subject to 'sudden' failure. Over time each and every piece will want to stretch the came on which it rests. I've run across non-vertical panels just a few years old that look more like soup bowls than panels. The closer to horizontal the panel is hung, the quicker the degradation. The bottom line is to keep in mind the reinforcing when designing the panel so that it does not detract from the design. Simple cross bracing down the two centers is a good start but consider areas where reinforcing can be bent to match the panel. Depending on the numbers of pieces, try not to leave an area more than 7 inches square with out some support from its friends. When doing leaded panels remember that the more pieces of glass, the more pieces of lead, the heavier the panel, the more stress placed on the came, the more it's prone to stretch, the more it's... ...well you get the picture. Good luck and would love to see what you create. -G ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail HeinzeMiline > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 19:00:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:27:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Suzanne Gunn , glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ceiling panel Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:52:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I took a workshop with Bill Klopsch last year in Vegas, and I seem to recall he suggested putting rebar for skylights so the window rested on top, which would provide better reinforcement against gravity, but I can't find it in my notes. I have emailed him and will let everyone know what he says. Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Gail, > > On thinking some more re your ceiling panels...you wont need to notch > the wood as it will be on the front side of your panel, not the back > where the rebar would be. > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 20:17:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:57:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ime.net!bei From: Lynda Burleigh To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kaleidoscope pattern Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: Has anyone out there come across a good pattern book for Kaleidoscopes? Thanks.... Lynda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 11 20:45:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:12:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: Patrick Kelly To: "Gail HeinzeMiline" , "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Ceiling panels Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:12:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk You might think about a sandwich of glass with the pane glass on the bottom. I have never done one but the concept seems correct. I did it to an interior door about 10 years ago and it hasn't sagged yet...... Patrick roses and rainbows > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail HeinzeMiline [mailto:heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:16 AM > To: glass > Subject: Ceiling panels > > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 03:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:28:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: Bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:28:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010112062851.0079d7a0@popd.netcom.ca> References: <<01011114510747@fsg.prusec.com>> Precedence: bulk this subject has peaked my interest also :-) ......please include me to the list of people who would like info on this project.......thanks....bill At 02:51 PM 11/01/2001 -0500, you wrote: > I would like to receive the info on this > subject as well. > > Thanks in advance. > > Lucille > >I would like to receive the responses to this as well. > >Thanks! > >Donna Becker >donna.becker@chicagoil.ncr.com > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca [SMTP:heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca] >> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 11:16 AM >> To: glass >> Subject: Ceiling panels >> >> I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a >> kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is >> about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can >> change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something >> like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right >> now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where >> the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. >> >> Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 04:54:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 04:38:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: daver!one.net!gwood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:00:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk This is great info. Thanks! I will be checking the structural integrity of the framing on my next visit to the site. I am hoping it will be strong enough to support a pane of clear float with the copper foil panel resting on that , but we will see. daver!one.net!gwood wrote: > Something to consider in these types of panels in existing > openings is the over all weight. The 'thickness' and means of > attachment of the 'lip' on the frame, while holding Plexiglas > quit well, may not be substantial enough to hold the weight > of the panel, especially a leaded one. Make sure the existing > lighting fixture can tolerate the increase in weight. Also, make > sure there is clearance inside the fixture to allow for reinforcement > as most commercial fixtures are 'thickness sensitive'. > > Also, in panels in 'non-vertical' situations, especially leaded, > simple reinforcing down the center will not be enough. > Reinforced panels in doors & such, while withstanding the transient > forces of opening, closing & slamming, are strongest in the direction > of gravity with each piece, along with the came, lending strength > to the unit. Non-horizontal panels have to withstand the force > of gravity where each piece can not rely on its neighbor for strength > and most importantly fights _against_ the came. Solder is less prone > to stretching but is more brittle and subject to 'sudden' failure. > > Over time each and every piece will want to stretch the came on which > it rests. I've run across non-vertical panels just a few years old that > look > more like soup bowls than panels. The closer to horizontal the panel is > hung, > the quicker the degradation. > > The bottom line is to keep in mind the reinforcing when designing the panel > so that it does not detract from the design. Simple cross bracing down the > two centers is a good start but consider areas where reinforcing can be bent > to match the panel. Depending on the numbers of pieces, try not to leave an > area more than 7 inches square with out some support from its friends. > > When doing leaded panels remember that the more pieces of glass, the > more pieces of lead, the heavier the panel, the more stress placed on the > came, the more it's prone to stretch, the more it's... ...well you get the > picture. > > Good luck and would love to see what you create. > > -G > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail HeinzeMiline > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 06:54:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:37:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:40:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Float glass supporting the whole panel is by far the strongest solution for a smaller panel like 20 inches square. Pose the idea to the customer and perhaps take a sample panel over glass to make sure they have no objections to the aesthetics as the float glass _will_ detract slightly from the overall 'textureness' effect of the panel. (Some don't care, some are particular.) -G ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail HeinzeMiline To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Ceiling panels > This is great info. Thanks! > I will be checking the structural integrity of the framing on my next visit to > the site. I am hoping it will be strong enough to support a pane of clear float > with the copper foil panel resting on that , but we will see. > > daver!one.net!gwood wrote: > > > Something to consider in these types of panels in existing > > openings is the over all weight. The 'thickness' and means of > > attachment of the 'lip' on the frame, while holding Plexiglas > > quit well, may not be substantial enough to hold the weight > > of the panel, especially a leaded one. Make sure the existing > > lighting fixture can tolerate the increase in weight. Also, make > > sure there is clearance inside the fixture to allow for reinforcement > > as most commercial fixtures are 'thickness sensitive'. > > > > Also, in panels in 'non-vertical' situations, especially leaded, > > simple reinforcing down the center will not be enough. > > Reinforced panels in doors & such, while withstanding the transient > > forces of opening, closing & slamming, are strongest in the direction > > of gravity with each piece, along with the came, lending strength > > to the unit. Non-horizontal panels have to withstand the force > > of gravity where each piece can not rely on its neighbor for strength > > and most importantly fights _against_ the came. Solder is less prone > > to stretching but is more brittle and subject to 'sudden' failure. > > > > Over time each and every piece will want to stretch the came on which > > it rests. I've run across non-vertical panels just a few years old that > > look > > more like soup bowls than panels. The closer to horizontal the panel is > > hung, > > the quicker the degradation. > > > > The bottom line is to keep in mind the reinforcing when designing the panel > > so that it does not detract from the design. Simple cross bracing down the > > two centers is a good start but consider areas where reinforcing can be bent > > to match the panel. Depending on the numbers of pieces, try not to leave an > > area more than 7 inches square with out some support from its friends. > > > > When doing leaded panels remember that the more pieces of glass, the > > more pieces of lead, the heavier the panel, the more stress placed on the > > came, the more it's prone to stretch, the more it's... ...well you get the > > picture. > > > > Good luck and would love to see what you create. > > > > -G > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gail HeinzeMiline > > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > > > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > > > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > > > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > > > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right > > > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where > > > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > > > > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 07:00:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:50:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: juno.com!pkinnetz From: Peggy L Kinnetz To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:07:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I don't have any experience with doing ceiling panels, but one thing comes to mind as I read your post, is that you have to make sure that the framing already in place can withstand the additional weight of the stained glass. Plexiglass is much lighter than a same size panel of glass and lead or copper foil panel. Also, (and this is where I'm most unsure) is that the weight of a hanging panel is from top to bottom, whereas the weight from a panel that is hung flat, would be bearing just the immediate or surrounding area. It would seem to me that reinforcement if it si needed would be the same as for a hanging panel. Please correct me if I'm wrong, fellow Bungians. Peggy K. > > I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a > kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is > about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can > change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something > like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass > right > now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip > where > the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > > Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 12 23:01:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:50:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE:Kaleidoscope Pattern Book Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 23:13:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C07CED.39F7AC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynda, I am interested in a good kaleidoscope book as well. Let me know if you = find something, please. It must be the little kid in me, but I have always loved them. Thanks, Moya ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C07CED.39F7AC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lynda,
I am interested in a good kaleidoscope book as well.  Let me = know if=20 you find something, please.
It must be the little kid in me, but I have always loved = them.
Thanks,
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C07CED.39F7AC00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 03:31:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 03:27:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: apex.net!mafe From: "Rick Simmons" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: A New Field ! Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 05:26:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0409_01C07D21.601733E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Morning All: Working with glass is a new area 4 me. I have a set of oxy-acetylene = torches am trying 2 decide which Grinder 2 purchase. Am mainly = interested in working with windows but may decide to do a lamp or 2. = Should I get the model that has a disc 4 bevels as well as a grinder and = will the DiamondTech Diamond Max II be a better choice or the Inland = TwinSpin Disc Grinder (There is 10 bucks difference between the two)?=20 Any other advice, suggestions and guidance will be greatly = appreciated as time and money are both commodities that I don't ever = seem to have enough of. TIA Sincerely, DeUno ------=_NextPart_000_0409_01C07D21.601733E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good Morning All:
Working with glass is a new area 4 me. = I have a set=20 of oxy-acetylene torches am trying 2 decide which Grinder 2 purchase. Am = mainly=20 interested in working with windows but may decide to do a lamp or 2. = Should I=20 get the model that has a disc 4 bevels as well as a grinder and = will the=20 DiamondTech Diamond Max II be a better choice or the Inland TwinSpin = Disc=20 Grinder (There is 10 bucks difference between the two)?
    Any other advice, = suggestions=20 and guidance will be greatly appreciated as time and money are both = commodities=20 that I don't ever seem to have enough of. TIA
       =20             =    =20             =    =20             = Sincerely,
       =20             =    =20             =    =20            =20 DeUno
------=_NextPart_000_0409_01C07D21.601733E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 06:26:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:10:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!agacic From: Alex Gacic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Replacing broken glass in copper foil panel Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:06:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone I just finished a copper foil panel, as I was cleaning it a found a small crack in piece in the middle of the panel. What is the best and easiest way to replace this piece of glass? Thanks Alex Gacic Shalimar Florida __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 10:39:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!beadnik From: Joan To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Blank Messages Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:05:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I seem to be getting a great many blank messages on this list lately. Is this happening to anyone else? I am on several e-mail lists, and this is the only one from which I consistently receive blank messages. Does anyone know the cause.... or a cure??? Joan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 11:09:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:34:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: mafe@apex.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.101f928.2791f974_boundary" Subject: Re: A New Field ! Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:33:24 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_88.101f928.2791f974_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/01 3:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, mafe@apex.net writes: > Working with glass is a new area 4 me. I have a set of oxy-acetylene = > Inland and Glastar both have three models of grinder. The bottom of each line is plenty of grinder for starters and costs about US$75.00. I like the Glastar line best. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 --part1_88.101f928.2791f974_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/01 3:32:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, mafe@apex.net
writes:


Working with glass is a new area 4 me. I have a set of oxy-acetylene =
torches am trying 2 decide which Grinder 2 purchase.


Inland and Glastar both have three models of grinder. The bottom of each line
is plenty of grinder for starters and costs about US$75.00. I like the
Glastar line best.


Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 --part1_88.101f928.2791f974_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 13:30:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:18:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Gillian Higson To: Alex Gacic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Replacing broken glass in copper foil panel Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:30:18 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk The only way I know is to finely score the piece , tap it out with a ball end cutter. Then heat up the old soldering iron and remove the foil and solder. Make a pattern from the hole , cut out another piece of glass . Foil it and then solder back into place. Regards Gillian Alex Gacic wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I just finished a copper foil panel, as I was cleaning > it a found a small crack in piece in the middle of the > panel. > > What is the best and easiest way to replace this piece > of glass? > > Thanks > > Alex Gacic > Shalimar Florida > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 18:00:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:48:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!KendraPom From: KendraPom@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: remove Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:40:30 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove. I will re-sign on after I move in a few months. I still have no permanent work area and it is getting too hard to set up and tear down every time I want to make a little something. I will write when I have any questions. Take care for now everyone. Kim Breyette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 19:21:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:11:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: go.com!officerjqg From: James Garner To: Sarah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: NG: Business Checks Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:10:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I did find some last year. There theme was something like Church Windows. You could get bible verses on them if you wanted. I am at work so if that interest you e-mail my and I will did out the checks for you. James officerjqg@go.com -----Original Message----- From: "Sarah" To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thu Jan 11 07:21:31 PST 2001 Subject: NG: Business Checks >Clear DaySome time ago, someone asked if anyone knew a company that prints >checks with stained glass themes. I would like to know if anyone has found >such a company? >May your day be as beautiful as you are...! > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 13 19:30:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:04:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Sarah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Business Checks Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:04:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have been using checks with stained glass designs for a couple of years now. I got them through Designer Checks, P.O. Box 9000, Anniston, AL 36202-9000. They are on the internet at designerchecks.com or you can reach them by phone at 1(800) 239-4770. The checks I use I think are called Chapel Windows or something like that. There are four different designs on pastel checks. Joanne Dahlin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 01:02:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:57:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Replacing broken piece of glass in finished piece Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C07DB8.C0330F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, As Gillian said, break out you broken piece and remove the foil. A = trick I learned is to cut a strip out of an empty Coke can and as you = heat the solder to remove the foil, place the strip between the 2 pieces = of foil and follow the iron around with the strip. This will separate = the foil from the broken piece from the attached pieces. Clean the foil = on the pieces left and slip the newly cut and foiled piece back in and = resolder. Good Luck, Moya ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C07DB8.C0330F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
As Gillian said, break out you broken piece and remove the = foil.  A=20 trick I learned is to cut a strip out of an empty Coke can and as = you heat=20 the solder to remove the foil, place the strip between the 2 pieces of = foil and=20 follow the iron around with the strip.  This will separate the foil = from=20 the broken piece from the attached pieces.  Clean the foil on the = pieces=20 left and slip the newly cut and foiled piece back in and resolder.
Good Luck,
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C07DB8.C0330F00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 06:56:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 06:37:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: "Molly Keys" To: "D. ONeal" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Replacing broken piece of glass in finished piece Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:43:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The coke can is a great idea. Since aluminum won't solder you don't have to worry about it sticking. Be sure to use an old pair of groziers or pliers to hold the strip with so that you don't get burned. I have a very thin knife that I have used for years but am going to try the coke strip idea. Thanks for the idea. Molly -----Original Message----- From: D. ONeal To: glass@bungi.com Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:15 AM Subject: RE: Replacing broken piece of glass in finished piece >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C07DB8.C0330F00 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hi, >As Gillian said, break out you broken piece and remove the foil. A = >trick I learned is to cut a strip out of an empty Coke can and as you = >heat the solder to remove the foil, place the strip between the 2 pieces = >of foil and follow the iron around with the strip. This will separate = >the foil from the broken piece from the attached pieces. Clean the foil = >on the pieces left and slip the newly cut and foiled piece back in and = >resolder. >Good Luck, >Moya > >------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C07DB8.C0330F00 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="Windows-1252" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Hi,
>
As Gillian said, break out you broken piece and remove the = >foil.  A=20 >trick I learned is to cut a strip out of an empty Coke can and as = >you heat=20 >the solder to remove the foil, place the strip between the 2 pieces of = >foil and=20 >follow the iron around with the strip.  This will separate the foil = >from=20 >the broken piece from the attached pieces.  Clean the foil on the = >pieces=20 >left and slip the newly cut and foiled piece back in and resolder.
>
Good Luck,
>
Moya
> >------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C07DB8.C0330F00-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 07:44:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:34:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Chandelier Repair Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:25:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Clear DayFirst of all, a BIG Thank You to all who responded to my question about the business checks! I found them on the Designer check web-site, and they are beautiful! Now here's another request for help! I have a request to repair a chandelier that is over 100 years old. The crystals are dropping off, and all need to be re-attached with new hardware. Does anyone know where I can find the fasteners for the crystal tops? What type of wire do I need? Also, the crystals are 3" dark amber, I have only been able to find clear crystals. Any source for colored ones? Thanks in advance, I always get the best help from this wonderful group! Sarah May your day be as beautiful as you are...! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 08:06:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 07:57:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!ATFSI From: ATFSI@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.a6ec6b1.279325d4_boundary" Subject: Mica sheet use in place of some glass?? Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:55:00 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_44.a6ec6b1.279325d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know what kind etc of mica sheet is used instead of glass as accent in "tiffany" ???? type of work. Are ther colors or is it a texture thing etc etc Thanks Jack --part1_44.a6ec6b1.279325d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Does anyone know what kind etc of mica sheet is used instead of glass as
accent in "tiffany" ???? type of work.  Are ther colors or is it a texture
thing etc etc

Thanks

Jack
--part1_44.a6ec6b1.279325d4_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 13:29:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:00:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: Bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: copper foil blues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca> Precedence: bulk hi all.........i'm having a bit of a day today with copper foiling....the main problem is centering the foil on long pieces (6 inches or more).....any helpful hints?.......i'm using 7/32" black coated foil and am having quite a time foiling my pieces...any handy hints or gadgets to get me through this? ...........all suggestions , within reason of course ;-) will be welcomed!...............thanks in advance....bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 14:07:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:49:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Bill Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: copper foil blues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:43:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk I'm sure others will write you on how to keep your foil centered but I recommend two ways: (1) Visualize the distance of the foil against either the front or back and try to maintain the same distance all around; or (2) if you really have problems you might want to try a hand foiler (about $7) which will help you center the foil. There are other tools available to help you center the foil but they are more expensive and I don't believe help anymore than either by eye or by the hand foiler. Even these methods are not sure fire. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 15:08:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 15:02:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: copper foil blues Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010114172657.00a175d0@mail.bright.net> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk At 02:24 PM 1/14/01 -0500, Bill wrote: >hi all.........i'm having a bit of a day today with copper foiling....the >main problem is centering the foil on long pieces (6 inches or more).....any >helpful hints?.......i'm using 7/32" black coated foil and am having quite a >time foiling my pieces...any handy hints or gadgets to get me through this? >...........all suggestions , within reason of course ;-) will be >welcomed!...............thanks in advance....bill Instead of trying to do the entire 6" in one swoop, try to center an inch or so at a time. Yes it takes longer but you haven't messed up much if you get it off center. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 21:05:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:01:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: earthlink.net!cravenna From: "Cindy Ravenna" To: "Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Working with Chicago Lustre Glass Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:23:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all! Has anyone used Chicago Lustre glass with the metallic coating? I am working on two beautiful cabinet panels with a sun at the top. The sun uses gold Chicago Lustre. I'm concerned about how to flux and solder the panels. Supposedly I'm to "protect" the finish before soldering but I don't know how I should protect it. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 14 21:31:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:28:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Cindy Ravenna , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Working with Chicago Lustre Glass Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:14:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk you could put little bits of tape between the lead and glass at the joints and use paste flux. I havent used that glass, btw. Suzanne Cindy Ravenna wrote: > > Hello all! > Has anyone used Chicago Lustre glass with the metallic coating? I am > working on two beautiful cabinet panels with a sun at the top. The sun uses > gold Chicago Lustre. I'm concerned about how to flux and solder the panels. > Supposedly I'm to "protect" the finish before soldering but I don't know how > I should protect it. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Cindy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 01:17:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:08:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: legacyhotels.co.za!skunneke From: S Kunneke To: 'Stained Glass Mailing' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Lead window NIGHTMARE Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:17:06 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Dear All As this is my first posting of the year - compliments of the season to = one and all alike, and may your year be 100 fold better than your = highest hope. I have just finished making a lead window for my husband's aunt. They = were kind enough to give us accommodation when we went away and as a = thank you I promised to make a lead window for their back door. The = problem is that I haven't done much lead work before and (Murphy's law) = as I was finishing off the panel and giving it a polish, I carefully put = the panel back on the table only to find that my 16mnth son had placed = his toy car on the table and as I placed the panel on it, it broke one = of the pieces in the middle. HOW DO I FIX IT????!!!! It has been = cemented and everything. =20 Thanks in advance for any advise, help or comments. Kind regards Sarah K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 12:58:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Bill Subject: Centering foil on glass edge (WAS: copper foil blues Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:42:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk Bill, If you don't have one eye that is completely dominate over the other, you can look down both sides of the glass at the same time and see how much foil extends beyond each side of the glass. Alternatively, a little experience shows how much foil should extend beyond the glass on one side to get an equal amount on the other. Oddly, I find centring foil on long straight pieces relatively straight forward. I will try to describe. I am right handed, so all this applies to rh people (Left handed people please make adjustments for my infirmities). I hold the glass piece in the left hand. The outside of the foil, once started, lies against the side of my index finger. The backing tape is between my thumb and second (or ring) finger, and is pulled off by using those fingers. On curves, I apply the foil to the glass continuously, pulling little amounts of the tape off as I go. On straight edges, I start the foil at the far side, pull off enough tape to expose the foil for the whole length of the edge, and place my index finger against the foil at the near edge. Then I slowly bring my index finger (still on the outside of the foil) toward the glass at the near corner. This allows me to observe that I am keeping the same amount of foil extended beyond the glass at both the far and near corners. Steve In message <3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca>, Bill writes >hi all.........i'm having a bit of a day today with copper foiling....the >main problem is centering the foil on long pieces (6 inches or more).....any >helpful hints?.......i'm using 7/32" black coated foil and am having quite a >time foiling my pieces...any handy hints or gadgets to get me through this? >...........all suggestions , within reason of course ;-) will be >welcomed!...............thanks in advance....bill >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 13:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:44:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Rick Simmons Subject: Grinders (was: A New Field ! Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:08:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Rick, You will quickly find that there are two camps about grinders. If you feel the need for machines, then go ahead and get one, but you are unlikely to ever develop excellent cutting skills, as you will rely on the grinder to deal with the inaccuracies in your cutting. I'd say "buy glass first, work at getting the cutting skills to a high level" then consider a grinder. You usually get what you pay for. So a grinder that does 101 things will not do the one or two things you want to do as well as machines specially designed for the tasks. This is me in my "off the soap box" mo;de. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Rick Simmons writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0409_01C07D21.601733E0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Good Morning All: >Working with glass is a new area 4 me. I have a set of oxy-acetylene = >torches am trying 2 decide which Grinder 2 purchase. Am mainly = >interested in working with windows but may decide to do a lamp or 2. = >Should I get the model that has a disc 4 bevels as well as a grinder and = >will the DiamondTech Diamond Max II be a better choice or the Inland = >TwinSpin Disc Grinder (There is 10 bucks difference between the two)?=20 > Any other advice, suggestions and guidance will be greatly = >appreciated as time and money are both commodities that I don't ever = >seem to have enough of. TIA > Sincerely, > DeUno > >------=_NextPart_000_0409_01C07D21.601733E0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
Good Morning All:
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Working with glass is a new area 4 me. = >I have a set=20 >of oxy-acetylene torches am trying 2 decide which Grinder 2 purchase. Am = >mainly=20 >interested in working with windows but may decide to do a lamp or 2. = >Should I=20 >get the model that has a disc 4 bevels as well as a grinder and = >will the=20 >DiamondTech Diamond Max II be a better choice or the Inland TwinSpin = >Disc=20 >Grinder (There is 10 bucks difference between the two)?
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    Any other advice, = >suggestions=20 >and guidance will be greatly appreciated as time and money are both = >commodities=20 >that I don't ever seem to have enough of. TIA
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> >------=_NextPart_000_0409_01C07D21.601733E0-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 14:30:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:07:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Gail HeinzeMiline Subject: Re: Ceiling panels Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:36:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Gail, there are a few elements missing in your description, so I will have to make some assumptions. I hope I remember to note all of them. Is the run of panels in a line or a rectangle?, what is the dimensions of the area these 6 panels are occupying? The 2 and a half inch oak strips: are they 2&1/2 wide? how high are they, as much of the strength will come from the height rather than the width. I calculate that the weight will be about 52 lbs, but you will want to check that against the actual weight to determine that the structure will be able to hold the weight of the glass. If you decide to use tempered glass beneath the leaded glass, you will need to add about another 2 lbs per square foot to the weight calculations. How thick is the timber at the 1/4 inch rebate?, as a lot of the weight of the glass will be immediately carried by this part of the timber support. Now, because of the safety and legal implications of a piece of glass falling out of the ceiling, I think the only way to go is to put a piece of 4mm tempered glass beneath each leaded panel. tempered glass is very strong (7 times more than the equivalent size of untempered glass). Also see a large supplier of glass and ask for their recommendations for exactly the installation you are considering. Include all the activities that will happen below, and all the risks. They will be able to give you information from the industry handbooks on the thickness of tempered glass that you will need. It is only my guess that 4mm will do. Having said all of that, I have seen leaded glass installed in 1900 that still is there, with little bowing. These panels are sometimes two and a half feet by one and a half feet. They have at least two supporting bars for this length. The key is to have strongly attached copper ties of sufficient thickness to tie to the supporting bars. Don't be put off. I have done two large commissions in fused glass one 3metres by 3metres and another 4 metres by 3 metres. Both of these were framed in mild steel. the larger weighs about 1/2 ton in addition to the steel frame. Go for it. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Gail HeinzeMiline writes >I am working on a commission involving 6 ceiling panels to go over a >kitchen island and be backlit with flourescent tubes. Each panel is >about 20" by 20". They will have to be removable so the client can >change the tubes. Any ideas on how to go about reinforcing something >like this? The framing is already in place ( holding plexiglass right >now) and each panel is surrounded by 2 1/2" oak with a 1/4" lip where >the panel will sit. Thanks for any ideas. > >Gail in Nova Scotia > >-- >----------------------------------------------------- >Click here for Free Video!! >http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 14:31:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:08:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: S Kunneke Subject: Leaded panel repairs (was: Lead window NIGHTMARE Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Sarah, This is the time when the oyster knife is really useful. It is a strong blade that is turned up just about 3/8 inch before the end. You use this or you can (with more difficulty) use a straight blade to remove the cement (which should be easy, as it will not yet be hard). You then work from the side that will be the inside when installed to gently and progressively lift the leaf of the lead all around the piece of glass. At the solder joints you can either use your lead knife to cut into them, or use the soldering iron to melt the solder and keep it from reforming, by placing the lead knife between the pieces of lead. These can then be opened up too, until all the lead leaf over the broken glass is standing vertical. All this work needs to be done parallel to the surface of the glass, to avoid breaking other pieces of glass. You also must be sure to keep you hands behind the blade. Cut, push, lift, etc. away from your limbs and body. To secure the panel, nail a wood batten on the bench so the panel is pushed against it. (Make sure the batten is really well secured!) Now you should be able to lift/push the broken piece out. As you will still have the cartoon from which you made this (don't you), you will be able to cut another piece just as before. It may need to be very slightly smaller to fit back in. Then you gently fold the lead leaf back down. do it progressively, a little at a time all along the leaf, so you don't kink it. If done carefully in both lifting and folding down, it will be difficult to see the lead has been disturbed. Cement as usual and you are finished. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, S Kunneke writes .. ....cut..... > only to find that my 16mnth son had placed = >his toy car on the table and as I placed the panel on it, it broke one = >of the pieces in the middle. HOW DO I FIX IT????!!!! It has been = >cemented and everything. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 14:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:20:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Gailchat1 From: Gailchat1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Rebar Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:15:45 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have seen many references to adding rebar. How does one acutally add rebar to a copper foil panel? Thanks... Ronda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 17:01:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:34:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: netcom.ca!shmilly From: Bill To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thanks all! Re: copper foil blues Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:25:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010115142549.007aae70@popd.netcom.ca> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk thanks to all who have replied to my request....like everything else i guess it will just take time and practice as well as checking out alternatives to my dilemma......my frustration is also tied in with my upper back problems......for this reason i may have to seek out any gadgets on the market to help me to make the job "physically" less tolling as well as consistent.....i know we all have our own opinions about these items, but for a lot of us with certain physical limitations they can only help in keeping our interest in stained glass......once again, thanks to all and any more tips will be greatly appreciated....bill....... P.S.(if anyone is considering throwing out any of their dusty old "helpers", please feel free to throw them my way) hahaha ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 15 20:09:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:03:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Marilbob From: Marilbob@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Glass show Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:27:12 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I joined this list serve months ago and have learned a great deal from just reading all the good advice. I have been working with glass for just about a year and really enjoy it. I've read references to a glass show in Las Vegas in March. Could someone provide the dates and more information? Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 16 00:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 00:06:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jill M" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass show Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:17:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk www.glasscraftexpo.com Should provide you with all the information you need for Las Vegas Jill M. -----Original Message----- From: Marilbob@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Glass show >I joined this list serve months ago and have learned a great deal from just >reading all the good advice. I have been working with glass for just about a >year and really enjoy it. I've read references to a glass show in Las Vegas >in March. Could someone provide the dates and more information? Thanks. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 16 11:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:44:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: cinci.rr.com!rlean From: "RLean" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: copper foil blues Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010114142405.0079a4e0@popd.netcom.ca>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C07FCA.55379040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, I hope this doesn't sound too lame. When I first starting using copper = foil I would have to bend forward which would hurt my upper back, and I = had trouble centering the foil too. Then I had an eye exam and found I = needed a slight adjustment with my lens prescription. It really made a = big difference. I didn't even realize that I was having trouble seeing = the close-up work because I was still able to read ok. 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Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:15:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Joan , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Blank Messages Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:05:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk The Bungi server is extremely allergic to HTML or hypertext - that which gives text formatting and color, etc. Joan wrote: > I seem to be getting a great many blank messages on > this list lately. Is this happening to anyone else? > > I am on several e-mail lists, and this is the only one > from which I consistently receive blank messages. > > Does anyone know the cause.... or a cure??? > > Joan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 16 12:35:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Cindy Ravenna , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Working with Chicago Lustre Glass Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk I was lucky enough to get some good lustre scraps and so I have played with it a bit. The metallic lustre is quite vulnerable to friction - as is some iridized glass, and the backing on mirrored crystals (and mirrors), so you need to be very careful about doing anything that requires washing/scrubbing, or just too much handling. Rinsing, or submersing in a water/soap solution seems to be ok. Be careful you only dab when drying, though. Don't rub. Incidentally, you can see the results of this vulneribility in looking at Tiffany glass that was used outside, or was much washed inside, and you can also see the same thing in Frank Lloyd Wright windows. As a matter of fact, with the FLW windows, it is impossible to tell that some of the glass was iridized, and even more difficult to tell what color it might have been originally. I assume on some of the restorations, the original drawings, or notes of the window makers were used so the restorer knew what to use. Perhaps there were photos which gave clues. Otherwise, scrutiny of similar windows for a site would have to be your only method of knowing. This is something that you might include in your care and feeding tips for the owners of glass projects you have made. It will never have occurred to them that they can remove the iridization or lustre, or fired paint, let alone cold paint, with their normal window care. Did you know that FLW's iridized pieces of glass were deliberately set at tiny angles, each different, so the play of light would be more interesting? Cec's Factoid #357 :-) And some of those pieces were incredibly tiny! Amazing! - Cec Cindy Ravenna wrote: > Hello all! > Has anyone used Chicago Lustre glass with the metallic coating? I am > working on two beautiful cabinet panels with a sun at the top. The sun uses > gold Chicago Lustre. I'm concerned about how to flux and solder the panels. > Supposedly I'm to "protect" the finish before soldering but I don't know how > I should protect it. Does anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks, > Cindy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 16 12:42:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:18:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bill , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: thanks all! Re: copper foil blues Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:58:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.20010115142549.007aae70@popd.netcom.ca>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk I have found the little hand-held foilers more trouble than they are worth, and the one meant for the 7/32 is actually manufactured off-center. I like the DiGel (sp?) one best - I can speed up foiling a lot, although the quality is no better or worse. However, when my husband volunteers to foil (bless his heart) when he does it by hand I have to redo a lot of it, but he can do a decent job with a foiler. If you get an opportunity to buy the Inland one, don't. It is no longer made and there is a good reason for that. - Cec Bill wrote: > thanks to all who have replied to my request....like everything else i > guess it will just take time and practice as well as checking out > alternatives to my dilemma......my frustration is also tied in with my > upper back problems......for this reason i may have to seek out any gadgets > on the market to help me to make the job "physically" less tolling as well > as consistent.....i know we all have our own opinions about these items, > but for a lot of us with certain physical limitations they can only help in > keeping our interest in stained glass......once again, thanks to all and > any more tips will be greatly appreciated....bill....... > > P.S.(if anyone is considering throwing out any of their dusty old > "helpers", please feel free to throw them my way) hahaha ;-) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 07:36:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:13:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Blank Messages Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:16:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Cecily & Ralph Wood wrote: > The Bungi server is extremely allergic to HTML or hypertext - that which > gives text formatting and color, etc. > I do not think that is true. I think it is more a function of the mail software people use to read mail. I use an ancient unix mail reader (pine) and all the HTML comes through just fine as text. I think the problem is that mail readers have gotten to sophisticated. The solution is for everyone to turn off HTML when they send mail to Bungi. Bungi mail is read by many, many people using different mail software. If everyone reviewed the settings they use when they send email to bungi and just sent plain text I think it would eliminate the problem of blank messages. If you want to "see" those blank messages go to the bungi archives and look at the digest-current for the current months messages. You will see the HTML right after the plain text message. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 08:08:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:36:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: ATFSI@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Mica sheet use in place of some glass?? Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk As I don't see any replies yet Jack, I will put my two cents worth in. Mica can be coloured, and there is a USA patent on doing so. I don't know if it is done for large pieces or only for small particles. There are also shells used in some of the lamp shades that come from the Philippines. Check on the internet for mica companies (there are several) and they can give you information on sizes and thicknesses of the material, and what if any colours they can provide. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, ATFSI@aol.com writes > > Does anyone know what kind etc of mica sheet is used instead of > glass as > accent in "tiffany" ???? type of work.  Are ther colors or is it a > texture > thing etc etc > > Thanks > > Jack -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 12:23:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:57:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: postoffice.pacbell.net!meryder From: meryder@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Bungi Board Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Las Vegas Glass Crafters Expo Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:42:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, We're looking forward to meeting any Bungians that go to the Las Vegas Show. This will be our first time there. We're really so exicted! I'm signed up for a whole bunch of classes. I feel like I'm making up for all years that I couldn't get there. Thursday: Slab Glass, Hot & Wired Friday, Sculpted Solder, Uroboros Fusion FX Saturday, Stack/Block Fusing Sunday, Fused Dichroic Jewelry After Las Vegas we're heading on east to Albuquerque for a week or so of pure vacationing, which will include a visit to the Stained Glass Center there. We'll be bringing our photos and would love to meet up with, have coffee or dinner, and share with any Bungians that are there. We're going to move to the Albuquerque area within the next 18 months. See you in 'Vegas soon! Best regards, Cheryl and Marty Ryder ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 14:34:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:01:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Glass Etching Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone have the ability to do this? (Or know someone who does?) > Dear Sir or Madam, > > I am currently searching for someone who has the ability to etch 1 mm > wide channels with a depth of 300 micrometers into glass slides. The > slides will be used for liver research and must be very precise. If you > are able to perform this process or know of anyone who may be able to, I > would greatly appreciate any feedback. > > Thankyou, > > John H. Slater > jhslater@uncc.edu > (704)687-2833 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 15:04:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:35:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: twcny.rr.com!mschatee From: "CP" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Irish Claddaugh Pattern Needed Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:12:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C080A8.ACEF5140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would anyone happen to have or know where I could find a pattern for the = Irish Claddaugh, the 2 hands clasped I think. I had someone ask me to = make something for them with this in the center. Thanks in advance, Caren ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C080A8.ACEF5140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would anyone happen to have or know = where I could=20 find a pattern for the Irish Claddaugh, the 2 hands clasped I = think.  I had=20 someone ask me to make something for them with this in the = center.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Caren
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C080A8.ACEF5140-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 17:08:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:53:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: twcny.rr.com!mschatee From: "CP" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Irish Claddaugh Pattern Needed Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:30:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3A65D766.26065.54593CD@localhost>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Kaye, I definately won't be using a bevel cluster for it but it certainly would help to see the outline of the pieces and I can design my own pattern. Thanks for taking the time to look for me. Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 18:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:50:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily & Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Mica sheet use in place of some glass?? Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Those shells are Capiz shells, very thin and translucent. As a matter of fact, any time you see anything made with Capiz shells, the product was made in the Philippines. - Cec Steve Richard wrote: > As I don't see any replies yet Jack, I will put my two cents worth in. > Mica can be coloured, and there is a USA patent on doing so. I > don't know if it is done for large pieces or only for small particles. > There are also shells used in some of the lamp shades that come from the > Philippines. Check on the internet for mica companies (there are > several) and they can give you information on sizes and thicknesses of > the material, and what if any colours they can provide. > > Steve > > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, ATFSI@aol.com writes > > > > Does anyone know what kind etc of mica sheet is used instead of > > glass as > > accent in "tiffany" ???? type of work.  Are ther colors or is it a > > texture > > thing etc etc > > > > Thanks > > > > Jack > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 18:14:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: "Brad Walker" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Fw: Glass Etching Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010117204956.0075b37c@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk In the labratory supply catalogs there are an array of specific glass pieces for lab work by quite a few manufacturers, He needs to go there and talk to the manufacturers and if they don't have it, or know who does, they can refer to companies that design shpecialty glassware for labs. Talk to the sales rep that is hungriest for your university business! The specialty glass makers are expensive, but a lot of etched slides are already available, and these manufacturers would probably be the best to ask. Dee At 01:12 PM 1/17/01 -0500, Brad Walker wrote: >Anyone have the ability to do this? > >(Or know someone who does?) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 20:19:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!beadnik From: Joan To: meryder@postoffice.pacbell.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Crafters Expo Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:02:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! I am signed up to attend the Vegas Glass Expo as well. I'll be taking the fused dichroic glass jewelry, but not on Sunday. It would be fun to have a bungi get together. Joan --- meryder@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote: > Hi all, > > We're looking forward to meeting any Bungians that > go to the Las Vegas > Show. This will be our first time there. We're > really so exicted! > > I'm signed up for a whole bunch of classes. I feel > like I'm making up > for all years that I couldn't get there. > > Thursday: Slab Glass, Hot & Wired > Friday, Sculpted Solder, Uroboros Fusion FX > Saturday, Stack/Block Fusing > Sunday, Fused Dichroic Jewelry > > After Las Vegas we're heading on east to Albuquerque > for a week or so of > pure vacationing, which will include a visit to the > Stained Glass Center > there. We'll be bringing our photos and would love > to meet up with, > have coffee or dinner, and share > with any Bungians that are there. We're going to > move to the > Albuquerque area within the next 18 months. > > See you in 'Vegas soon! > Best regards, > Cheryl and Marty Ryder > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 17 21:07:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lampworking Equipment Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:49:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My interest is turning to bead making and since I haven't paid any attention to what those of you working in beads have said, I am now asking what is the basic lampworking equipment? Any help or advice you might have would certainly be appreciated. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 05:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:47:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lampworking Equipment Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 08:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy, I'm a lampwork addict, er beadmaker. The book, "Making Glass Beads" covers everything you need to start, and goes over a lot of techniques. I know I've heard several people say they taught themselves with this book. This book also has great photos, and once you start bead making, it's fun to study the photos and figure out how the beads were made. Basically you need a torch, compatible glass rods (You can even used stained glass scraps, if you use hemostats to hold the glass), mandrells, a marver, bead hole cleaners. A tungsten pick is great for poking and making bubbles. Let me know if I can answer any more questions. Jerri www.beadbimbo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Lampworking Equipment > My interest is turning to bead making and since I haven't paid any > attention to what those of you working in beads have said, I am now asking > what is the basic lampworking equipment? Any help or advice you might > have would certainly be appreciated. Peggy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 10:12:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:38:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: earthlink.net!meyer64 From: "Meyer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Crafters Expo Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Are you taking the fused dichroic glass class on Friday? That is when I am taking it. If so, see ya there! Debra Meyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan To: Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Las Vegas Glass Crafters Expo > > Hi! > > I am signed up to attend the Vegas Glass Expo as well. > I'll be taking the fused dichroic glass jewelry, but > not on Sunday. > > It would be fun to have a bungi get together. > > Joan > > --- meryder@postoffice.pacbell.net wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > We're looking forward to meeting any Bungians that > > go to the Las Vegas > > Show. This will be our first time there. We're > > really so exicted! > > > > I'm signed up for a whole bunch of classes. I feel > > like I'm making up > > for all years that I couldn't get there. > > > > Thursday: Slab Glass, Hot & Wired > > Friday, Sculpted Solder, Uroboros Fusion FX > > Saturday, Stack/Block Fusing > > Sunday, Fused Dichroic Jewelry > > > > After Las Vegas we're heading on east to Albuquerque > > for a week or so of > > pure vacationing, which will include a visit to the > > Stained Glass Center > > there. We'll be bringing our photos and would love > > to meet up with, > > have coffee or dinner, and share > > with any Bungians that are there. We're going to > > move to the > > Albuquerque area within the next 18 months. > > > > See you in 'Vegas soon! > > Best regards, > > Cheryl and Marty Ryder > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: > > glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: > > glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 11:57:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:32:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: att.net!dankarney From: "R. Daniel Karney" To: "Doris Yorysh" , Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: Virus alert!! Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:31:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0815B.62C29420 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01C0815B.62C29420" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C0815B.62C29420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi =97 I got a virus today. I got it by opening an attachment from a = trusted computer guy. If you get a message from me or anyone else with = an attachment called emanuel.exe do not open it! Delete the message and = then delete it from your "deleted messages" folder if you have one, and = then delete it from your recycle bin or whatever you have that's = comparable. One thing this virus does is send itself to people in your address book = without your knowing it is happening. I hope this has not happened to any of you because you're in my address = book. My apologies if it has. dan karney ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C0815B.62C29420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi =97 I got a virus today. I got it by opening an attachment from = a trusted=20 computer guy. If you get a message from me or anyone else with an=20 attachment called emanuel.exe do not open it! Delete the message = and then=20 delete it from your "deleted messages" folder if you have one, and then = delete=20 it from your recycle bin or whatever you have that's comparable.
 
One thing this virus does is send itself to people in your address = book=20 without your knowing it is happening.
 
I hope this has not happened to any of you because you're in my = address=20 book. My apologies if it has.
 
dan karney
------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C0815B.62C29420-- ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0815B.62C29420 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Tech.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <000801c0819e$70797dc0$0100007f@w25pr> R0lGODlhFAAUAPcAAP//////zP//mf//Zv//M///AP/M///MzP/Mmf/MZv/MM//MAP+Z//+ZzP+Z mf+ZZv+ZM/+ZAP9m//9mzP9mmf9mZv9mM/9mAP8z//8zzP8zmf8zZv8zM/8zAP8A//8AzP8Amf8A Zv8AM/8AAMz//8z/zMz/mcz/Zsz/M8z/AMzM/8zMzMzMmczMZszMM8zMAMyZ/8yZzMyZmcyZZsyZ M8yZAMxm/8xmzMxmmcxmZsxmM8xmAMwz/8wzzMwzmcwzZswzM8wzAMwA/8wAzMwAmcwAZswAM8wA AJn//5n/zJn/mZn/Zpn/M5n/AJnM/5nMzJnMmZnMZpnMM5nMAJmZ/5mZzJmZmZmZZpmZM5mZAJlm /5lmzJlmmZlmZplmM5lmAJkz/5kzzJkzmZkzZpkzM5kzAJkA/5kAzJkAmZkAZpkAM5kAAGb//2b/ zGb/mWb/Zmb/M2b/AGbM/2bMzGbMmWbMZmbMM2bMAGaZ/2aZzGaZmWaZZmaZM2aZAGZm/2ZmzGZm mWZmZmZmM2ZmAGYz/2YzzGYzmWYzZmYzM2YzAGYA/2YAzGYAmWYAZmYAM2YAADP//zP/zDP/mTP/ ZjP/MzP/ADPM/zPMzDPMmTPMZjPMMzPMADOZ/zOZzDOZmTOZZjOZMzOZADNm/zNmzDNmmTNmZjNm MzNmADMz/zMzzDMzmTMzZjMzMzMzADMA/zMAzDMAmTMAZjMAMzMAAAD//wD/zAD/mQD/ZgD/MwD/ AADM/wDMzADMmQDMZgDMMwDMAACZ/wCZzACZmQCZZgCZMwCZAABm/wBmzABmmQBmZgBmMwBmAAAz /wAzzAAzmQAzZgAzMwAzAAAA/wAAzAAAmQAAZgAAMwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACwAAAAAFAAUAEAIQwBJCBxI sKBBAAgTKlyYUCDDhwsdQpwoceLDihYjksh4cSNHjR9BhmzocSQAjCFRflTJkWVGlxZhUiw5UiZE gzhzBgQAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0815B.62C29420-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 15:12:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Lampworking Equipment Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:32:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: glassdancer Precedence: bulk Hi Peggy. I just started doing beads about a month ago. What you get depends on how much money you can spend, etc... I had to go the lowest $$ options available. I have a hot head torch and use mapp gas. I recently joined the hotglass list and am learning as a lurker at this point. Some knowledgeable folks there. hotglass@hotglass.com My equipment *want* list grows by the day. I got a good sampler set of Moretti glass rods for under $100 from Frantz bead company. Various friends set me up with my first mandrels. Ive ready Cindy Jenkins books, borrowed Bandu Scott Dunhams book from the university library, lurk the hot glass list, and practice a lot. I really need a better/hotter torch...but have to save toward it. As I find info, I'd be happy to forward it to you, if you'd like. Suzanne "Peggy W. Johnsen" wrote: > > My interest is turning to bead making and since I haven't paid any > attention to what those of you working in beads have said, I am now asking > what is the basic lampworking equipment? Any help or advice you might > have would certainly be appreciated. Peggy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 18:55:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:44:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: twcny.rr.com!mschatee From: "CP" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Clauddagh Thanks Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:15:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0818B.5E7161A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you everyone who responded to my request for a Clauddagh pattern. = I wound up looking at a bunch of pictures from the internet and just = drew my own. My co-worker wanted it inside of a star and it was much = easier to draw than a originally anticipated. It's 8" x 8", if anyone = wants the pattern just let me know I'd be happy to send it to you. Caren ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0818B.5E7161A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you everyone who responded to my = request for=20 a Clauddagh pattern.  I wound up looking at a bunch of pictures = from the=20 internet and just drew my own.  My co-worker wanted it inside of a = star and=20 it was much easier to draw than a originally anticipated.  It's 8" = x 8", if=20 anyone wants the pattern just let me know I'd be happy to send it to=20 you.
 
Caren
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0818B.5E7161A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 21:08:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:33:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!CINDEL67 From: CINDEL67@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: re: Claddagh pattern Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:39:22 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Caren, I've also been looking everywhere for a Clauddagh pattern. I would really like the pattern if you don't mind sending it. Thank you very much. Cinda cindel67@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 18 22:38:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:10:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "glass expressions" To: "STAINED GLASS ARTS" , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: electronic credit card machine Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C081B4.A47373E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello we have and electric credit card machine that you just swipe card = and it print out a tape for customer to sign and one for business to = keep. we had to close our shop due to illness in family. anyone = interested please email us at glassx@bardstown.com thanks for all the = wonder advice in the past. Ricky Ps machine only 6 months old and in = great shape! hope this was ok to send to list if not please let me know = and I apologize up front. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C081B4.A47373E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello we have and electric credit card = machine that=20 you just swipe card and it print out a tape for customer to sign and one = for=20 business to keep.  we had to close our shop due to illness in = family. =20 anyone interested please email us at glassx@bardstown.com  = thanks for all=20 the wonder advice in the past.  Ricky  Ps machine only 6 = months old=20 and in great shape!  hope this was ok to send to list if not please = let me=20 know and I apologize up front.
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C081B4.A47373E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 19 19:05:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:33:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: adelphiacom.com!ggerner From: "Ginny Gerner" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Jack Hastings patterns Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:28:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C0825E.C1F0E2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am lookimg for an artist that I have one pattern from. It is Gandalf = and it is from the Jack Hastings Canadian collection from 1984. I was = wondering if anyone had every heard of him or have more patterns from = him. Ginny Gerner ggerner@adelphia.net ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C0825E.C1F0E2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am lookimg for an artist that I have = one pattern=20 from.  It is Gandalf and it is from the Jack Hastings Canadian = collection=20 from 1984.  I was wondering if anyone had every heard of him or = have more=20 patterns from him.
Ginny Gerner
ggerner@adelphia.net
------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C0825E.C1F0E2E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 19 22:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 21:43:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Claddagn Pattern Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C08265.2F96E5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cinda, I just saw a Claddagh bevel cluster in "Anything in Stained Glass". = They are in New Jersey, 1-800-462-1209 Moya ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C08265.2F96E5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cinda,
I just saw a Claddagh bevel cluster in "Anything in Stained = Glass". =20 They are in New Jersey, 1-800-462-1209
Moya
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C08265.2F96E5A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 20 07:07:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 06:50:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: adelphiacom.com!ggerner From: "Ginny Gerner" To: "Glass at Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Jack Hastings patterns Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:41:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am lookimg for an artist that I have one pattern from. It is Gandalf and it is from the Jack Hastings Canadian collection from 1984. I was wondering if anyone had every heard of him or have more patterns from him. Ginny Gerner ggerner@adelphia.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 06:39:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:29:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Fsagg From: Fsagg@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: HELP! - copyright information needed Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:26:13 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungi folk, I received a distraught phone call from my sister last night and thought=20 maybe some of you folks who have been in the business for a number of years=20 might be able to help with some advice. I told her I would post her problem=20 here. My sister doesn't make stained glass but does other types of arts and=20 crafts and has been making stepping stones with mosaics (the broken china=20 type) among other things for a few years now (about 5). She doesn't have a=20 shop but sells at art & craft shows and online on ebay and other auction=20 sites. Her work is very unique and even sometines sort of "out there," if yo= u=20 know what I mean (very original ideas, some strange stuff, etc). She does=20 pretty well with her things. Well she called VERY upset and said that a few people have been seeing her=20 stuff (this is on ebay she said) and making copies of her work and selling=20 them, basiclly, "right next to hers" on the auction site, and even copying=20 her descriptions that she writes out and copying her titles/names of her=20 items - one person in particular is doing this on a regular basis. We both=20 have basic copyright knowledge and know that a work is protected when it is=20 created and that you do not have to put the "=A9" symbol on your photos or o= n=20 your items for them to be copyrighted. She also puts a note in her auctions=20 that her items are original, one of a kind, etc. Here is the problem: Yesterday one of her regular customers emailed her and=20 told her that they saw someone making copies of her stuff - I mean EXACT=20 copies - there was a mosaic made with old china, but the thing of it is, thi= s=20 copier went as far as to read my sister's description of her original item=20 (my sister writes the names/brands of the china that are in her project in=20 her description), and this copier went and found the exact china and made an= =20 exact copy! At a glance you would think the "fake" item was my sister's -=20 that is how close they were. When you looked closer at the copy you could=20 tell it was sort of sloppy and not really professional, but at first glance=20 you would have thought they were made by the same person. There was a ribbon= =20 attached in the exact way my sister puts hers, same type of ribbon, etc.=20 (this was a mosaic thing that you hang on a wall) I mean, my sister drills=20 holes in the wooden base of the item in a certain way and this person totall= y=20 copied every detail! Well, needless to say sis was outraged, emailed the "infringer" with a polit= e=20 but to the point email saying that their item was infringing on her original= =20 artwork, and that they not reproduce her items again, and that they should=20 remove the copy from ebay. It turns out that sis had seen this person's=20 copies of her work before, (this person being a cerial copier) but she blew=20 it off since the copies she saw in the past were a bit "changed" by the=20 infringer and the work didn't compare to sis's. But she knew this person=20 "stalked" her auctions, watching for sis's new creations each week because=20 each week it was the same thing: if my sister make a mosaic teapot, then a=20 few days later the infringer made a mosaic teapot, etc. =20 THEN sis emailed ebay, who told her that she could join a program they have=20 called VERO that protects folks from infringement for copyrights and=20 trademarks, etc. Well she did join, she had to fax a paper to ebay, that sai= d=20 she swore under penalty of purgery that the info she was sending was true,=20 etc. and ebay removed the infringing item!! In just a few hours the auction=20 "copy" was gone.=20 Now here is the problem: the "infringer" emailed sis and is really mad,=20 claiming that theirs is original since they made it (their own=20 interpretation) and that you can't copyright an idea and that she is going t= o=20 talk to her lawyer. Well we know you can't copyright an idea or concept - bu= t=20 I say my sister's "idea" was put into "fixed form", making it a tangible wor= k=20 of art - and that is what was copied! My sister said that if she chooses, sis can email ebay to let the person put= =20 their item on the site again, sort of like my sister has to give them=20 permission to sell the item, and if not, the infringer can "contest" that he= r=20 item was removed illegally - she'd probably have to get a lawyer to do this.= =20 Anyway, the infringer also said that she never saw my sister's stuff before.= =20 Well, my sister reported this person basiclly because it was sort of the las= t=20 straw for her - she knew the copier was a "fan", and she said the last=20 infringing item was "too close for comfort" - too close to her original, and= =20 that she felt violated because of the copy, as sis said, "it is like a slap=20 in the face".=20 Well the woman's (infringer's) name that she signed on her email to sis=20 looked familiar, and on closer examination of her sales records, sis found=20 that this infringer was a past customer months ago who bought one of her=20 mosaic items (but not the same thing as she copied). Please let us know what you think of this situation. All comments are=20 welcome, but we'd especially like to hear from folks who can relate to this=20 situation and folks who have registered copyrights. Sis doesn't have all of=20 her originals registered with the copyright office (at $30 a copyright) but=20 feels like she should do it right away. Would you? She printed out the=20 copyright regisration forms from the US copyright office website. Does anyon= e=20 know about registering more than one work (as a collection)? We would like=20 information on this if anyone has experience with this. Sis also can't affor= d=20 expensive lawyer fees and is worried that this infringer isn't going to let=20 up and that the infringer is going to get a lawyer. This whole situation is=20 so awful, but as my sister puts it, "what good is putting "=A9" on all of my= =20 items if I am not going to stand behind it?" =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 09:38:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:05:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: Fsagg@aol.com,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: HELP! - copyright information needed Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:03:53 -0800 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010121085103.00b7be80@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk That's an awful situation to be sure, but your sister summed it up correctly but noting that a copyright by itself offers no protection if you don't intend to stand up for your rights. Unfortunately these days, some "businesses" exist because of the strength of their lawyers rather than the legitimacy of their products. I recommend buying (or checking a library) for a recent Nolo Press book on copyrights. They're pretty readable and, even at a few 10s of dollars, cheaper than hiring a lawyer. I think you'll find that the horse has already left the barn as far as the legal effect registering her copyrights would have on this particular infringement. But for the future she needs to learn the advantages that registration provides so she can make a informed decision about whether or not the cost is worth it. Given the past "relationship" between your sister and the infringer, I'd guess the infringer is a paper tiger who would be subdued if she received a single demand note written on some attorney's letterhead. Got any lawyer friends that might be willing to do that for her? But if the infringer wants to slug it out through the legal system, that's her right and your sister will have to decide if she's got the stomach and financial resources to do that. I don't know if her legal costs might be recovered as part of a favorable judgment. At 06:26 AM 1/21/01, Fsagg@aol.com wrote: >Dear Bungi folk, >I received a distraught phone call from my sister last night and thought=20 >maybe some of you folks who have been in the business for a number of years=20 >might be able to help with some advice. I told her I would post her problem=20 >here. My sister doesn't make stained glass but does other types of arts and=20 >crafts and has been making stepping stones with mosaics (the broken china=20 >type) among other things for a few years now (about 5). She doesn't have a=20 >shop but sells at art & craft shows and online on ebay and other auction=20 >sites. Her work is very unique and even sometines sort of "out there," if yo= >u=20 >know what I mean (very original ideas, some strange stuff, etc). She does=20 >pretty well with her things. > >Well she called VERY upset and said that a few people have been seeing her=20 >stuff (this is on ebay she said) and making copies of her work and selling=20 >them, basiclly, "right next to hers" on the auction site, and even copying=20 >her descriptions that she writes out and copying her titles/names of her=20 >items - one person in particular is doing this on a regular basis. We both=20 >have basic copyright knowledge and know that a work is protected when it is=20 >created and that you do not have to put the "=A9" symbol on your photos or o= >n=20 >your items for them to be copyrighted. She also puts a note in her auctions=20 >that her items are original, one of a kind, etc. > >Here is the problem: Yesterday one of her regular customers emailed her and=20 >told her that they saw someone making copies of her stuff - I mean EXACT=20 >copies - there was a mosaic made with old china, but the thing of it is, thi= >s=20 >copier went as far as to read my sister's description of her original item=20 >(my sister writes the names/brands of the china that are in her project in=20 >her description), and this copier went and found the exact china and made an= >=20 >exact copy! At a glance you would think the "fake" item was my sister's -=20 >that is how close they were. When you looked closer at the copy you could=20 >tell it was sort of sloppy and not really professional, but at first glance=20 >you would have thought they were made by the same person. There was a ribbon= >=20 >attached in the exact way my sister puts hers, same type of ribbon, etc.=20 >(this was a mosaic thing that you hang on a wall) I mean, my sister drills=20 >holes in the wooden base of the item in a certain way and this person totall= >y=20 >copied every detail! > >Well, needless to say sis was outraged, emailed the "infringer" with a polit= >e=20 >but to the point email saying that their item was infringing on her original= >=20 >artwork, and that they not reproduce her items again, and that they should=20 >remove the copy from ebay. It turns out that sis had seen this person's=20 >copies of her work before, (this person being a cerial copier) but she blew=20 >it off since the copies she saw in the past were a bit "changed" by the=20 >infringer and the work didn't compare to sis's. But she knew this person=20 >"stalked" her auctions, watching for sis's new creations each week because=20 >each week it was the same thing: if my sister make a mosaic teapot, then a=20 >few days later the infringer made a mosaic teapot, etc. =20 > >THEN sis emailed ebay, who told her that she could join a program they have=20 >called VERO that protects folks from infringement for copyrights and=20 >trademarks, etc. Well she did join, she had to fax a paper to ebay, that sai= >d=20 >she swore under penalty of purgery that the info she was sending was true,=20 >etc. and ebay removed the infringing item!! In just a few hours the auction=20 >"copy" was gone.=20 > >Now here is the problem: the "infringer" emailed sis and is really mad,=20 >claiming that theirs is original since they made it (their own=20 >interpretation) and that you can't copyright an idea and that she is going t= >o=20 >talk to her lawyer. Well we know you can't copyright an idea or concept - bu= >t=20 >I say my sister's "idea" was put into "fixed form", making it a tangible wor= >k=20 >of art - and that is what was copied! > >My sister said that if she chooses, sis can email ebay to let the person put= >=20 >their item on the site again, sort of like my sister has to give them=20 >permission to sell the item, and if not, the infringer can "contest" that he= >r=20 >item was removed illegally - she'd probably have to get a lawyer to do this.= >=20 > >Anyway, the infringer also said that she never saw my sister's stuff before.= >=20 >Well, my sister reported this person basiclly because it was sort of the las= >t=20 >straw for her - she knew the copier was a "fan", and she said the last=20 >infringing item was "too close for comfort" - too close to her original, and= >=20 >that she felt violated because of the copy, as sis said, "it is like a slap=20 >in the face".=20 > > Well the woman's (infringer's) name that she signed on her email to sis=20 >looked familiar, and on closer examination of her sales records, sis found=20 >that this infringer was a past customer months ago who bought one of her=20 >mosaic items (but not the same thing as she copied). > >Please let us know what you think of this situation. All comments are=20 >welcome, but we'd especially like to hear from folks who can relate to this=20 >situation and folks who have registered copyrights. Sis doesn't have all of=20 >her originals registered with the copyright office (at $30 a copyright) but=20 >feels like she should do it right away. Would you? She printed out the=20 >copyright regisration forms from the US copyright office website. Does anyon= >e=20 >know about registering more than one work (as a collection)? We would like=20 >information on this if anyone has experience with this. Sis also can't affor= >d=20 >expensive lawyer fees and is worried that this infringer isn't going to let=20 >up and that the infringer is going to get a lawyer. This whole situation is=20 >so awful, but as my sister puts it, "what good is putting "=A9" on all of my= >=20 >items if I am not going to stand behind it?" > =20 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 09:38:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:27:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: HELP! - copyright information needed Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Very interesting, I can't wait to see the response here on bungi. But I have a feeling your sister is sunk, and she has to decide if expensive litigation will be worth it for her stepping stones. Crafts are copied all the time, it will never stop. What I would do to yank the copiers chain is to file a civil suit. (to jump into the fray you have to be willing to spend some bucks on legal stuff which often times folks can't afford to do) She is copying and then gets mad when ebay pulls her stuff. Amazing isn't it..?? Always the way. I hope your sister comes out of this ok, but as with all things good guys finish last a lot of the time. Tell here to contact a attorney (patent/copyright) if she wants legal advice. Regards, Linda Jo Jacksonville, Fl. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 10:34:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:24:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!DW3car From: DW3car@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Stained Glass And Art Glass Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:13:43 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk To Whom it May Concern: I am very interested in learning how to determine the value of stained, art, and leaded glass. If there is anyone out there that can steer me in the right direction, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, D.W. Smith DW 3car @AOL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 10:38:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:28:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Steve Wernecke Subject: Re: HELP! - copyright information needed Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:24:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010121085103.00b7be80@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk OK, I'm outside the USofA, but discussions on this list in the past have indicated it is not necessary to register to prove copyright. It makes it easier, but copyright still resides in the work once created. The design for the object should be dated exactly to prove precedence. The object should be dated and numbered too. Minor changes to a design do not constitute a new one. The only defence for a copier would be to have included that the object was "after ...., by ......" Steve In message <4.3.2.7.2.20010121085103.00b7be80@mail.villagesoftsmith.com >, Steve Wernecke writes >That's an awful situation to be sure, but your sister summed it up >correctly but noting that a copyright by itself offers no protection if you >don't intend to stand up for your rights. Unfortunately these days, some >"businesses" exist because of the strength of their lawyers rather than the >legitimacy of their products. > >I recommend buying (or checking a library) for a recent Nolo Press book on >copyrights. They're pretty readable and, even at a few 10s of dollars, >cheaper than hiring a lawyer. I think you'll find that the horse has >already left the barn as far as the legal effect registering her copyrights >would have on this particular infringement. But for the future she needs >to learn the advantages that registration provides so she can make a >informed decision about whether or not the cost is worth it. > >Given the past "relationship" between your sister and the infringer, I'd >guess the infringer is a paper tiger who would be subdued if she received a >single demand note written on some attorney's letterhead. Got any lawyer >friends that might be willing to do that for her? But if the infringer >wants to slug it out through the legal system, that's her right and your >sister will have to decide if she's got the stomach and financial resources >to do that. I don't know if her legal costs might be recovered as part of >a favorable judgment. > >At 06:26 AM 1/21/01, Fsagg@aol.com wrote: >>Dear Bungi folk, >>I received a distraught phone call from my sister last night and thought=20 >>maybe some of you folks who have been in the business for a number of years=20 >>might be able to help with some advice. I told her I would post her problem=20 >>here. My sister doesn't make stained glass but does other types of arts and=20 >>crafts and has been making stepping stones with mosaics (the broken china=20 >>type) among other things for a few years now (about 5). She doesn't have a=20 >>shop but sells at art & craft shows and online on ebay and other auction=20 >>sites. Her work is very unique and even sometines sort of "out there," if yo= >>u=20 >>know what I mean (very original ideas, some strange stuff, etc). She does=20 >>pretty well with her things. >> >>Well she called VERY upset and said that a few people have been seeing her=20 >>stuff (this is on ebay she said) and making copies of her work and selling=20 >>them, basiclly, "right next to hers" on the auction site, and even copying=20 >>her descriptions that she writes out and copying her titles/names of her=20 >>items - one person in particular is doing this on a regular basis. We both=20 >>have basic copyright knowledge and know that a work is protected when it is=20 >>created and that you do not have to put the "=A9" symbol on your photos or o= >>n=20 >>your items for them to be copyrighted. She also puts a note in her auctions=20 >>that her items are original, one of a kind, etc. >> >>Here is the problem: Yesterday one of her regular customers emailed her and=20 >>told her that they saw someone making copies of her stuff - I mean EXACT=20 >>copies - there was a mosaic made with old china, but the thing of it is, thi= >>s=20 >>copier went as far as to read my sister's description of her original item=20 >>(my sister writes the names/brands of the china that are in her project in=20 >>her description), and this copier went and found the exact china and made an= >>=20 >>exact copy! At a glance you would think the "fake" item was my sister's -=20 >>that is how close they were. When you looked closer at the copy you could=20 >>tell it was sort of sloppy and not really professional, but at first glance=20 >>you would have thought they were made by the same person. There was a ribbon= >>=20 >>attached in the exact way my sister puts hers, same type of ribbon, etc.=20 >>(this was a mosaic thing that you hang on a wall) I mean, my sister drills=20 >>holes in the wooden base of the item in a certain way and this person totall= >>y=20 >>copied every detail! >> >>Well, needless to say sis was outraged, emailed the "infringer" with a polit= >>e=20 >>but to the point email saying that their item was infringing on her original= >>=20 >>artwork, and that they not reproduce her items again, and that they should=20 >>remove the copy from ebay. It turns out that sis had seen this person's=20 >>copies of her work before, (this person being a cerial copier) but she blew=20 >>it off since the copies she saw in the past were a bit "changed" by the=20 >>infringer and the work didn't compare to sis's. But she knew this person=20 >>"stalked" her auctions, watching for sis's new creations each week because=20 >>each week it was the same thing: if my sister make a mosaic teapot, then a=20 >>few days later the infringer made a mosaic teapot, etc. =20 >> >>THEN sis emailed ebay, who told her that she could join a program they have=20 >>called VERO that protects folks from infringement for copyrights and=20 >>trademarks, etc. Well she did join, she had to fax a paper to ebay, that sai= >>d=20 >>she swore under penalty of purgery that the info she was sending was true,=20 >>etc. and ebay removed the infringing item!! In just a few hours the auction=20 >>"copy" was gone.=20 >> >>Now here is the problem: the "infringer" emailed sis and is really mad,=20 >>claiming that theirs is original since they made it (their own=20 >>interpretation) and that you can't copyright an idea and that she is going t= >>o=20 >>talk to her lawyer. Well we know you can't copyright an idea or concept - bu= >>t=20 >>I say my sister's "idea" was put into "fixed form", making it a tangible wor= >>k=20 >>of art - and that is what was copied! >> >>My sister said that if she chooses, sis can email ebay to let the person put= >>=20 >>their item on the site again, sort of like my sister has to give them=20 >>permission to sell the item, and if not, the infringer can "contest" that he= >>r=20 >>item was removed illegally - she'd probably have to get a lawyer to do this.= >>=20 >> >>Anyway, the infringer also said that she never saw my sister's stuff before.= >>=20 >>Well, my sister reported this person basiclly because it was sort of the las= >>t=20 >>straw for her - she knew the copier was a "fan", and she said the last=20 >>infringing item was "too close for comfort" - too close to her original, and= >>=20 >>that she felt violated because of the copy, as sis said, "it is like a slap=20 >>in the face".=20 >> >> Well the woman's (infringer's) name that she signed on her email to sis=20 >>looked familiar, and on closer examination of her sales records, sis found=20 >>that this infringer was a past customer months ago who bought one of her=20 >>mosaic items (but not the same thing as she copied). >> >>Please let us know what you think of this situation. All comments are=20 >>welcome, but we'd especially like to hear from folks who can relate to this=20 >>situation and folks who have registered copyrights. Sis doesn't have all of=20 >>her originals registered with the copyright office (at $30 a copyright) but=20 >>feels like she should do it right away. Would you? She printed out the=20 >>copyright regisration forms from the US copyright office website. Does anyon= >>e=20 >>know about registering more than one work (as a collection)? We would like=20 >>information on this if anyone has experience with this. Sis also can't affor= >>d=20 >>expensive lawyer fees and is worried that this infringer isn't going to let=20 >>up and that the infringer is going to get a lawyer. This whole situation is=20 >>so awful, but as my sister puts it, "what good is putting "=A9" on all of my= >>=20 >>items if I am not going to stand behind it?" >> =20 >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 11:08:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:31:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: twcny.rr.com!mschatee From: "CP" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Copyright question Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C083AE.2B395660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If someone sees something they like and copy it but don't sell it, is = that legal? Just wondering since we all share photos and patterns and = stuff. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C083AE.2B395660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If someone sees something they like and = copy it but=20 don't sell it, is that legal?  Just wondering since we all share = photos and=20 patterns and stuff.
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C083AE.2B395660-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 11:08:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:50:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: Fsagg@aol.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: HELP! - copyright information needed Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:48:01 -0800 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010121104542.00b52ef0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010121085103.00b7be80@mail.villagesoftsmith.com>> Precedence: bulk My words might have misled...registration is definitely *not* required to claim copyright, but registration prior to infringement does affect what kind of damages the copyright holder can go after. At least that's the way it was last time I looked into this stuff...pre-Internet days so I know things have changed. At 10:24 AM 1/21/01, Steve Richard wrote: > OK, I'm outside the USofA, but discussions on this list in the >past have indicated it is not necessary to register to prove copyright. >It makes it easier, but copyright still resides in the work once >created. The design for the object should be dated exactly to prove >precedence. The object should be dated and numbered too. > Minor changes to a design do not constitute a new one. The only >defence for a copier would be to have included that the object was >"after ...., by ......" > Steve > In message <4.3.2.7.2.20010121085103.00b7be80@mail.villagesoftsmith.com > >, Steve Wernecke writes > >That's an awful situation to be sure, but your sister summed it up > >correctly but noting that a copyright by itself offers no protection if you > >don't intend to stand up for your rights. Unfortunately these days, some > >"businesses" exist because of the strength of their lawyers rather than the > >legitimacy of their products. > > > >I recommend buying (or checking a library) for a recent Nolo Press book on > >copyrights. They're pretty readable and, even at a few 10s of dollars, > >cheaper than hiring a lawyer. I think you'll find that the horse has > >already left the barn as far as the legal effect registering her copyrights > >would have on this particular infringement. But for the future she needs > >to learn the advantages that registration provides so she can make a > >informed decision about whether or not the cost is worth it. > > > >Given the past "relationship" between your sister and the infringer, I'd > >guess the infringer is a paper tiger who would be subdued if she received a > >single demand note written on some attorney's letterhead. Got any lawyer > >friends that might be willing to do that for her? But if the infringer > >wants to slug it out through the legal system, that's her right and your > >sister will have to decide if she's got the stomach and financial resources > >to do that. I don't know if her legal costs might be recovered as part of > >a favorable judgment. > > > >At 06:26 AM 1/21/01, Fsagg@aol.com wrote: > >>Dear Bungi folk, > >>I received a distraught phone call from my sister last night and thought=20 > >>maybe some of you folks who have been in the business for a number of > years=20 > >>might be able to help with some advice. I told her I would post her > problem=20 > >>here. My sister doesn't make stained glass but does other types of arts > and=20 > >>crafts and has been making stepping stones with mosaics (the broken > china=20 > >>type) among other things for a few years now (about 5). She doesn't > have a=20 > >>shop but sells at art & craft shows and online on ebay and other auction=20 > >>sites. Her work is very unique and even sometines sort of "out there," > if yo= > >>u=20 > >>know what I mean (very original ideas, some strange stuff, etc). She > does=20 > >>pretty well with her things. > >> > >>Well she called VERY upset and said that a few people have been seeing > her=20 > >>stuff (this is on ebay she said) and making copies of her work and > selling=20 > >>them, basiclly, "right next to hers" on the auction site, and even > copying=20 > >>her descriptions that she writes out and copying her titles/names of her=20 > >>items - one person in particular is doing this on a regular basis. We > both=20 > >>have basic copyright knowledge and know that a work is protected when > it is=20 > >>created and that you do not have to put the "=A9" symbol on your photos > or o= > >>n=20 > >>your items for them to be copyrighted. She also puts a note in her > auctions=20 > >>that her items are original, one of a kind, etc. > >> > >>Here is the problem: Yesterday one of her regular customers emailed her > and=20 > >>told her that they saw someone making copies of her stuff - I mean EXACT=20 > >>copies - there was a mosaic made with old china, but the thing of it > is, thi= > >>s=20 > >>copier went as far as to read my sister's description of her original > item=20 > >>(my sister writes the names/brands of the china that are in her project > in=20 > >>her description), and this copier went and found the exact china and > made an= > >>=20 > >>exact copy! At a glance you would think the "fake" item was my sister's > -=20 > >>that is how close they were. When you looked closer at the copy you > could=20 > >>tell it was sort of sloppy and not really professional, but at first > glance=20 > >>you would have thought they were made by the same person. There was a > ribbon= > >>=20 > >>attached in the exact way my sister puts hers, same type of ribbon, etc.=20 > >>(this was a mosaic thing that you hang on a wall) I mean, my sister > drills=20 > >>holes in the wooden base of the item in a certain way and this person > totall= > >>y=20 > >>copied every detail! > >> > >>Well, needless to say sis was outraged, emailed the "infringer" with a > polit= > >>e=20 > >>but to the point email saying that their item was infringing on her > original= > >>=20 > >>artwork, and that they not reproduce her items again, and that they > should=20 > >>remove the copy from ebay. It turns out that sis had seen this person's=20 > >>copies of her work before, (this person being a cerial copier) but she > blew=20 > >>it off since the copies she saw in the past were a bit "changed" by the=20 > >>infringer and the work didn't compare to sis's. But she knew this person=20 > >>"stalked" her auctions, watching for sis's new creations each week > because=20 > >>each week it was the same thing: if my sister make a mosaic teapot, > then a=20 > >>few days later the infringer made a mosaic teapot, etc. =20 > >> > >>THEN sis emailed ebay, who told her that she could join a program they > have=20 > >>called VERO that protects folks from infringement for copyrights and=20 > >>trademarks, etc. Well she did join, she had to fax a paper to ebay, > that sai= > >>d=20 > >>she swore under penalty of purgery that the info she was sending was > true,=20 > >>etc. and ebay removed the infringing item!! In just a few hours the > auction=20 > >>"copy" was gone.=20 > >> > >>Now here is the problem: the "infringer" emailed sis and is really mad,=20 > >>claiming that theirs is original since they made it (their own=20 > >>interpretation) and that you can't copyright an idea and that she is > going t= > >>o=20 > >>talk to her lawyer. Well we know you can't copyright an idea or concept > - bu= > >>t=20 > >>I say my sister's "idea" was put into "fixed form", making it a > tangible wor= > >>k=20 > >>of art - and that is what was copied! > >> > >>My sister said that if she chooses, sis can email ebay to let the > person put= > >>=20 > >>their item on the site again, sort of like my sister has to give them=20 > >>permission to sell the item, and if not, the infringer can "contest" > that he= > >>r=20 > >>item was removed illegally - she'd probably have to get a lawyer to do > this.= > >>=20 > >> > >>Anyway, the infringer also said that she never saw my sister's stuff > before.= > >>=20 > >>Well, my sister reported this person basiclly because it was sort of > the las= > >>t=20 > >>straw for her - she knew the copier was a "fan", and she said the last=20 > >>infringing item was "too close for comfort" - too close to her > original, and= > >>=20 > >>that she felt violated because of the copy, as sis said, "it is like a > slap=20 > >>in the face".=20 > >> > >> Well the woman's (infringer's) name that she signed on her email to > sis=20 > >>looked familiar, and on closer examination of her sales records, sis > found=20 > >>that this infringer was a past customer months ago who bought one of her=20 > >>mosaic items (but not the same thing as she copied). > >> > >>Please let us know what you think of this situation. All comments are=20 > >>welcome, but we'd especially like to hear from folks who can relate to > this=20 > >>situation and folks who have registered copyrights. Sis doesn't have > all of=20 > >>her originals registered with the copyright office (at $30 a copyright) > but=20 > >>feels like she should do it right away. Would you? She printed out the=20 > >>copyright regisration forms from the US copyright office website. Does > anyon= > >>e=20 > >>know about registering more than one work (as a collection)? We would > like=20 > >>information on this if anyone has experience with this. Sis also can't > affor= > >>d=20 > >>expensive lawyer fees and is worried that this infringer isn't going to > let=20 > >>up and that the infringer is going to get a lawyer. This whole > situation is=20 > >>so awful, but as my sister puts it, "what good is putting "=A9" on all > of my= > >>=20 > >>items if I am not going to stand behind it?" > >> =20 > >>---- > >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 11:33:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: DW3car@aol.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass And Art Glass Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:04:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Value is (or can be) very different from price. Please clarify whether you want to know about methods of pricing or how to determine the value of an already existing piece of work. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, DW3car@aol.com writes >To Whom it May Concern: > >I am very interested in learning how to determine the value of stained, art, >and leaded glass. If there is anyone out there that can steer me in the right >direction, any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks in Advance, > >D.W. Smith >DW 3car @AOL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 11:35:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:24:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: DW3car@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.101fed6f.279c8f06_boundary" Subject: Re: Stained Glass And Art Glass Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:14:14 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_9f.101fed6f.279c8f06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/01 10:35:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, DW3car@aol.com writes: > I am very interested in learning how to determine the value of stained, art, > and leaded glass. If there is anyone out there that can steer me in the > right > direction, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > I do not know of a book or anything like that that will help you. Having three experienced stained glass artisans appraise the piece may be the best way to get a fair idea. They should know what they would charge to duplicate a stained glass piece. REAL works of art by famous studios will command a premium based on what the seller will accept and the buyer will pay. Of course this is true with any exchange. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 --part1_9f.101fed6f.279c8f06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/21/01 10:35:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, DW3car@aol.com
writes:


I am very interested in learning how to determine the value of stained, art,
and leaded glass. If there is anyone out there that can steer me in the
right
direction, any help would be greatly appreciated.



I do not know of a book or anything like that that will help you. Having
three experienced stained glass artisans appraise the piece may be the best
way to get a fair idea. They should know what they would charge to duplicate
a stained glass piece.

REAL works of art by famous studios will command a premium based on what the
seller will accept and the buyer will pay. Of course this is true with any
exchange.

Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 --part1_9f.101fed6f.279c8f06_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 13:39:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:08:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: aol.com!FuchsiaFan From: FuchsiaFan@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12.7b6a035.279ca720_boundary" Subject: Coca Cola pattern Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:57:04 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_12.7b6a035.279ca720_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glass Bungians everywhere! My friend and stained glass mentor still has not located a copy of the Warden Coca Cola pattern. Anyone out there have one or know of anyone who has one? He would be eternally grateful. His email address is: JLKeltner@techline.com Thank you for any help you can give him. --part1_12.7b6a035.279ca720_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glass Bungians everywhere!

My friend and stained glass mentor still has not located a copy of the Warden
Coca Cola pattern.  Anyone out there have one or know of anyone who has one?  
He would be eternally grateful.

His email address is: JLKeltner@techline.com

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To unsubscribe send a blank email to rencontre.france@free.fr with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the Subject line. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 16:38:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:25:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stained Glass And Art Glass Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:18:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk If it's appraisals you want (and you live in the US) contact the Appraiser's Association of America. They have members that can appraise virtually anything except real estate, and they also offer courses on becoming an appriaser. Try this url: http://www.appraisersassoc.org/index.htm Brad Walker -------------------------------------------------------------- For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Stained Glass And Art Glass > To Whom it May Concern: > > I am very interested in learning how to determine the value of stained, art, > and leaded glass. If there is anyone out there that can steer me in the right > direction, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance, > > D.W. Smith > DW 3car @AOL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 17:10:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:58:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "steve" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: qualifications Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:59:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0840E.87F89E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a question for the uk here. i applied to enrol in a course at college = (C&G 730). 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a question for the uk here. i applied = to enrol in a=20 course at college (C&G 730). AND WAS ASKED FOR MY QUALIFICATION IN = STAINED=20 GLASS IS THERE SUCH A THING AND HOW RELEVENT IS IT TO=20 TEACHING
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0840E.87F89E00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 21:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:45:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: yahoo.com!bob8954 From: robert cutler To: steve , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: qualifications Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:35:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk People complained recently about getting only headers of messges. It is happening to me. anybody else? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 21 22:34:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:11:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: HELP! - copyright information needed Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:03:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk art work is hard to put a copyright on. a court would need proof of existance. a record of past works that were not on ebay or before it exisited. like somone claiming they invented something, if they don't have the concept on a napkin or some kind of thought process it makes 'em look real bad. i suppose you might be able to use a lawyer from a lawyer school (don't know if that would work or not). or make up a very official looking document and mail or fax it to that person, and put some fear into it. intel and other's like to do this, over very little things like the intel inside circle, many people have been threatened by this. or i suppose she can stop selling on e-bay. she can set up a web site instead, and have them made to order. e-bay tends to cheapen art (in my opinion). ---Mike Savad --- Mike's Stained Glass - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, stained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. --- 11-7-00 - New Stuff Added: How to solder a nice bead, and several new projects. You can now search my site with a built in engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Fsagg@aol.com [mailto:Fsagg@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 9:26 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: HELP! - copyright information needed > > > Dear Bungi folk, > I received a distraught phone call from my sister last night and > thought=20 > maybe some of you folks who have been in the business for a > number of years=20 > might be able to help with some advice. I told her I would post > her problem=20 > here. My sister doesn't make stained glass but does other types > of arts and=20 > crafts and has been making stepping stones with mosaics (the > broken china=20 > type) among other things for a few years now (about 5). She > doesn't have a=20 > shop but sells at art & craft shows and online on ebay and other > auction=20 > sites. Her work is very unique and even sometines sort of "out > there," if yo= > u=20 > know what I mean (very original ideas, some strange stuff, etc). > She does=20 > pretty well with her things. > > Well she called VERY upset and said that a few people have been > seeing her=20 > stuff (this is on ebay she said) and making copies of her work > and selling=20 > them, basiclly, "right next to hers" on the auction site, and > even copying=20 > her descriptions that she writes out and copying her titles/names > of her=20 > items - one person in particular is doing this on a regular > basis. We both=20 > have basic copyright knowledge and know that a work is protected > when it is=20 > created and that you do not have to put the "=A9" symbol on your > photos or o= > n=20 > your items for them to be copyrighted. She also puts a note in > her auctions=20 > that her items are original, one of a kind, etc. > > Here is the problem: Yesterday one of her regular customers > emailed her and=20 > told her that they saw someone making copies of her stuff - I > mean EXACT=20 > copies - there was a mosaic made with old china, but the thing of > it is, thi= > s=20 > copier went as far as to read my sister's description of her > original item=20 > (my sister writes the names/brands of the china that are in her > project in=20 > her description), and this copier went and found the exact china > and made an= > =20 > exact copy! At a glance you would think the "fake" item was my > sister's -=20 > that is how close they were. When you looked closer at the copy > you could=20 > tell it was sort of sloppy and not really professional, but at > first glance=20 > you would have thought they were made by the same person. There > was a ribbon= > =20 > attached in the exact way my sister puts hers, same type of > ribbon, etc.=20 > (this was a mosaic thing that you hang on a wall) I mean, my > sister drills=20 > holes in the wooden base of the item in a certain way and this > person totall= > y=20 > copied every detail! > > Well, needless to say sis was outraged, emailed the "infringer" > with a polit= > e=20 > but to the point email saying that their item was infringing on > her original= > =20 > artwork, and that they not reproduce her items again, and that > they should=20 > remove the copy from ebay. It turns out that sis had seen this > person's=20 > copies of her work before, (this person being a cerial copier) > but she blew=20 > it off since the copies she saw in the past were a bit "changed" by the=20 > infringer and the work didn't compare to sis's. But she knew this > person=20 > "stalked" her auctions, watching for sis's new creations each > week because=20 > each week it was the same thing: if my sister make a mosaic > teapot, then a=20 > few days later the infringer made a mosaic teapot, etc. =20 > > THEN sis emailed ebay, who told her that she could join a program > they have=20 > called VERO that protects folks from infringement for copyrights and=20 > trademarks, etc. Well she did join, she had to fax a paper to > ebay, that sai= > d=20 > she swore under penalty of purgery that the info she was sending > was true,=20 > etc. and ebay removed the infringing item!! In just a few hours > the auction=20 > "copy" was gone.=20 > > Now here is the problem: the "infringer" emailed sis and is really mad,=20 > claiming that theirs is original since they made it (their own=20 > interpretation) and that you can't copyright an idea and that she > is going t= > o=20 > talk to her lawyer. Well we know you can't copyright an idea or > concept - bu= > t=20 > I say my sister's "idea" was put into "fixed form", making it a > tangible wor= > k=20 > of art - and that is what was copied! > > My sister said that if she chooses, sis can email ebay to let the > person put= > =20 > their item on the site again, sort of like my sister has to give them=20 > permission to sell the item, and if not, the infringer can > "contest" that he= > r=20 > item was removed illegally - she'd probably have to get a lawyer > to do this.= > =20 > > Anyway, the infringer also said that she never saw my sister's > stuff before.= > =20 > Well, my sister reported this person basiclly because it was sort > of the las= > t=20 > straw for her - she knew the copier was a "fan", and she said the last=20 > infringing item was "too close for comfort" - too close to her > original, and= > =20 > that she felt violated because of the copy, as sis said, "it is > like a slap=20 > in the face".=20 > > Well the woman's (infringer's) name that she signed on her email > to sis=20 > looked familiar, and on closer examination of her sales records, > sis found=20 > that this infringer was a past customer months ago who bought one > of her=20 > mosaic items (but not the same thing as she copied). > > Please let us know what you think of this situation. All comments are=20 > welcome, but we'd especially like to hear from folks who can > relate to this=20 > situation and folks who have registered copyrights. Sis doesn't > have all of=20 > her originals registered with the copyright office (at $30 a > copyright) but=20 > feels like she should do it right away. Would you? She printed out the=20 > copyright regisration forms from the US copyright office website. > Does anyon= > e=20 > know about registering more than one work (as a collection)? We > would like=20 > information on this if anyone has experience with this. Sis also > can't affor= > d=20 > expensive lawyer fees and is worried that this infringer isn't > going to let=20 > up and that the infringer is going to get a lawyer. This whole > situation is=20 > so awful, but as my sister puts it, "what good is putting "=A9" > on all of my= > =20 > items if I am not going to stand behind it?" > =20 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 22 07:54:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 22 12:05:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:43:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: CP Subject: Re: Copyright question Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:28:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk International copyright law gives the provision of fair use. This means personal use - not for profit, nor for giving away to another. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, CP writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C083AE.2B395660 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >If someone sees something they like and copy it but don't sell it, is = >that legal? Just wondering since we all share photos and patterns and = >stuff. > >------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C083AE.2B395660 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
If someone sees something they like and = >copy it but=20 >don't sell it, is that legal?  Just wondering since we all share = >photos and=20 >patterns and stuff.
> >------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C083AE.2B395660-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 22 14:38:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:24:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "steve" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: try again (qualifications) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk to any uk people. i applied for a college course (C&G 730 basic teaching) and was asked for my qualification in stained glass. Is there one and how relevent is it to teaching. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 22 16:07:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:24:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "steve" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: try again (qualifications) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk to any uk people. i applied for a college course (C&G 730 basic teaching) and was asked for my qualification in stained glass. Is there one and how relevent is it to teaching. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 22 22:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:34:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: steve Subject: Re: qualifications Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:39:26 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Steve, I don't know what college you are applying to, but the City and Guilds 730 is a standard curriculum, but I don't know what its subject may be. If it is for stained glass, the college may be wanting to know if you have any experience in stained glass. If it is teaching as a subject, they may be wanting you to explain how you see craft qualification as being relevant to teaching. It may be a mistake on the college's part. Yes there are NVQ and SNVQ units leading to National, Higher National Certificates and Higher National Degrees in decorative glass. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, steve writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0840E.87F89E00 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >a question for the uk here. i applied to enrol in a course at college = >(C&G 730). AND WAS ASKED FOR MY QUALIFICATION IN STAINED GLASS IS THERE = >SUCH A THING AND HOW RELEVENT IS IT TO TEACHING > >------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0840E.87F89E00 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
a question for the uk here. i applied = >to enrol in a=20 >course at college (C&G 730). AND WAS ASKED FOR MY QUALIFICATION IN = >STAINED=20 >GLASS IS THERE SUCH A THING AND HOW RELEVENT IS IT TO=20 >TEACHING
> >------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0840E.87F89E00-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 23 07:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:58:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: attcanada.ca!mschut From: "The Schut Family" To: "glass" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Stepping Stones Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0850C.EAD36C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello there. I am wondering if someone out there would have some = suggestions for me. I have been pouring stepping stones for about 2 years now. The majority = of them are the ones that are for looks in flower bed and gardens and = also some table tops. I use the method where I place the glass in the = bottom of the mold and pour the concrete over top. Here is the problem. I live in a very cold climate in the winter. = Using the method I do, the tops of the stones get extremely slippery for = walking on (as bad as ice). I would like to pour a complete sidewalk = for the front of my house, but I am unsure how to create an anti slip = tread on the top of the stone. =20 Anyone with suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Stained Glass by Mike & Pam=20 Mike, Pam, Jonathan, Kayla & Devin Schut Cornwall, Prince Edward Island Email Jonathan @ jonathan_schut@mapleleafsfan.com ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0850C.EAD36C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello = there.  I am=20 wondering if someone out there would have some suggestions for = me.
 
I have been = pouring=20 stepping stones for about 2 years now.  The majority of them are = the ones=20 that are for looks in flower bed and gardens and also some table = tops.  I=20 use the method where I place the glass in the bottom of the mold and = pour the=20 concrete over top.
 
Here is the = problem. =20 I live in a very cold climate in the winter.  Using the method I = do, the=20 tops of the stones get extremely slippery for walking on (as bad as = ice). =20 I would like to pour a complete sidewalk for the front of my house, but = I am=20 unsure how to create an anti slip tread on the top of the stone. =20
 
Anyone with = suggestions or=20 ideas would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks.

Stained Glass by Mike & Pam

Mike, Pam, Jonathan, Kayla & Devin Schut

Cornwall, Prince Edward Island

Email Jonathan @ jonathan_schut@mapleleaf= sfan.com

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0850C.EAD36C40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 23 07:37:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:11:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: try again (qualifications) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:57:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 16:53 22/01/01 -0000, steve wrote: >to any uk people. i applied for a college course (C&G 730 basic teaching) >and was asked for my qualification in stained glass. Is there one and how >relevent is it to teaching. > >---- The City and Guilds 7307 is a qualification to teach adult learners - and is gradually becoming compulsory as a minumum qualification by FE and Adult Education centres - all a matter of getting their funding I gather as the 'system' is starting to insist on paper qualifications more and more. Any specific stained glass certificates and diplomas as far as I know have nothing to do with teaching the craft - but depending on the course itself may prove some level of skill and experience. From experience we are fairly sceptical as to their value to any potential employer - whether stained glass studio or teaching centre. We have met some who have earned their HND in decorative stained glass but do not appear to have much practical experience of making 'real' stained glass window and door panels, although they might have been around an experienced craftsperson and watched what they do! The FEFC and City and Guilds certification bodies for stained glass do not seem to judge the practical skill levels of those who have achieved the 'qualification' that we have met in our retail shop, as for example they have 'been taught' stained glass painting and firing by using the materials under instruction but never seen a kiln in action and have no experience of any firing problems/solutions! Most of the courses being offered in Adult Education seem to be just 'taster' courses - offering the students a certificate proving that they have made in the course of a year several stained glass items using at least three techniques - without being able to learn any of the methods in depth. With the current insistence of at least 12 students in a class and having to cover so many techniques in one year it is understandable that the expected level of skill achievement is fairly low, but it is a shame that there seems to be no system of graduated certificates that a stained glass studio looking for proof of skills can rely on yet! But when you consider that it hasnt been all that long for stained glass as a hobby in the UK it is not surprising - maybe we will get there someday! As to your particular problem in getting accepted on a teaching course without written proof of craft skills attained in the absence of the existence of any serious accepted certification for stained glass you will have to convince them in other ways. Unfortunately with stained glass being such a 'glamorous' craft with its mistique of centuries of secretive guilds etc many education providers are so keen to include it in their schedules that they often in the past overlooked any procedures for checking if potential tutors really are as good at their craft as they make out, so there are many inexperienced people attempting to teach it across the country who have the correct teaching qualifications but little practical experience except having attended a one year evening class themselves. So if you have a portfolio of your past work, or can show that you have made lots of actual windows/lampshades by giving them contact names/locations of stuff you have sold or installed this might convince them that you have a reasonable level of skills that you can pass on to students in the future and make it worth them helping you attain the 7307. Good luck Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 08:25:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:15:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Odyssey Wild Rose Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:30:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I've decided to try my hand at making a lamp shade and have settled on the Wild Rose (Ody T1997). I've already selected Youg 1107 for the roses to match the room. I would welcome any input for other glass selection or construction hints. How does one keep all the pattern and glass pieces organized while cutting, shaping and foiling? TIA Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 10:06:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:46:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Re: Odyssey Wild Rose Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Jim! I took a lamp class from Joe Porcelli last year in Vegas. He lays the entire lamp pattern down flat on the table and fits pieces to each other on the pattern. Not until the entire thing is done and fits together flat does he start putting pieces up on the lamp form itself. Seemed to work well--and takes away the need for pins, tacky wax and all that other stuff you use when you try to fit your pieces on the form. Shari in SLC ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Gonzalez To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: Odyssey Wild Rose > I've decided to try my hand at making a lamp shade and have settled on the > Wild Rose (Ody T1997). I've already selected Youg 1107 for the roses to > match the room. I would welcome any input for other glass selection or > construction hints. How does one keep all the pattern and glass pieces > organized while cutting, shaping and foiling? > > TIA > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 14:39:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:29:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "steve" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: thanks Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:29:59 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk i talked to the head of dept at the college. told her that i had 9 years experience including teaching and sending me an enrolment form . so thanks for the help steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 16:07:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:59:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #527 built 2000-Nov-28) X-Path: mediaone.net!dimitrovich From: "Pamela Dimitrovich" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C08636.E7E870E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C08636.E7E870E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C08636.E7E870E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 22:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:45:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: centurytel.net!Fortschultz From: Grant Schultz To: Jim Gonzalez , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Odyssey Wild Rose Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:46:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Sentury Insurance Precedence: bulk Hi Jim and Group, I have just fininshed my first lamp shade and it turned out beautifully. It was an 8 sided lamp and about 80 pieces. I used dark blues, golds, reds, greens, some iridized glass globs. I did not take a class on how to do it just used my skills at creating panels and Bungi info past fellow glass artists have posted. It was'nt easy but I placed the panels (after taping it together with electric wireing tape (black stuff) in a box stuffed with newspapers. I soldered it while is sat in the box. Using crumpled paper for support underneath it. It was hard for me to get neat solder lines but I just kept working at it.I lifted it and tried to keep it level as I finish soldered it. I keep my pieces in envelopes, label with a pencil so I can change names of glass colors for each project and just re -use envelopes. I use long business envelopes so they can hold quite a few pieces. Lamps are kind of tricky but they sure are great to turn on an gaze in amazement when you finish them. Check what other more experienced lamp makers did and discussed in the Bungi archives. I have been creating stained glass for about 7 months now and each project gets better and easier through experience as I am sure you well know. I thought maybe it would be nice to hear from someone who has just finished their first lamp, good luck and I am sure it will be awesome! Christy Jim Gonzalez wrote: > I've decided to try my hand at making a lamp shade and have settled on the > Wild Rose (Ody T1997). I've already selected Youg 1107 for the roses to > match the room. I would welcome any input for other glass selection or > construction hints. How does one keep all the pattern and glass pieces > organized while cutting, shaping and foiling? > > TIA > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 24 23:05:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:52:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: gloden.com!randy From: "Randy Gloden" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Bevel Machines Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:37:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C08656.3D4F71E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does DenverGlass.com have a competitor? I get the feeling I would never = be able to afford any of their bevel machines. I've requested a catalog = but am not very hopeful. I've also seen some bevel kits for the = traditional griders but it sounds like they only bevel at 45 or 30 = degrees and aren't really intended for an asthetic bevel. Maybe I = should just leave these jobs to the big shops. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C08656.3D4F71E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does DenverGlass.com have a competitor?  I get = the=20 feeling I would never be able to afford any of their bevel = machines.  I've=20 requested a catalog but am not very hopeful.  I've also seen some = bevel=20 kits for the traditional griders but it sounds like they only bevel at = 45 =20 or 30 degrees and aren't really  intended for an asthetic = bevel. =20 Maybe I should just leave these jobs to the big=20 shops.
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C08656.3D4F71E0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 08:00:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: compunet.net!tekelly From: tekelly@compunet.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: claddaugh pattern Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:54:37 -0800 Message-ID: <25010125.28369@216.98.90.39> Precedence: bulk downeaststainedglass.com had a couple dont know if its what you are looking for ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 19:02:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:59:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: aol.com!Fsagg From: Fsagg@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: update copyright infringement Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:53:47 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who answered our email about infringement. As it so turns out, this "infringer" was, as one of you wrote, a "paper tiger" I guess it just goes to show the kind of person they are - with nerve enough to blatantly copy and then nerve enough to sell an infringing copy right next to the original, they also have nerve enough to feign innocence and scream injustice when caught! We came to the conclusion that they were indeed bullying Rebecca (sis) into giving away her rights to reproduce her item by threatening her with getting a lawyer, etc. After more cafeful consideration of the law, we pretty much had a family meeting, and came to the conclusion that this person was just that - defensive because she got caught. Thanks again for your replies and help. There were a lot of great suggestions. Sis also learned that is a good idea to have a stamp of her name made (with the year) and this, on each item she produces is not only her copyright (her lawyer is registering it for her), but it is proof of date made. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 21:25:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:17:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: netrover.com!sharifa From: sharifa@netrover.com To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Looking for Tina - teacher, stained glass Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:33:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, Not Sure to whom I am writing. I have had two sets of classes learning stained glass and actually finished a lamp at the second one. I want to make a window panel, need some help. My last teacher was great, name - Tina , Italian with a little baby ( a year ago) She no longer works where I met her. Could anyone help. If not I live in Mississauga, so Oakville to Toronto is O.K. Someone professional -meaning knows what he/she is doing and has patience yo teach. Thanks for any help. W ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 22:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:29:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: bevelers Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:39:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Randy.. I use a Glastar beveler.. Cost me about $1200 last year if I remember right. It is an upright beveler with 8" wheels.. I'll be buying the 12" horzintal disk beveler from them this year and it runs about $1600.. I do no custom beveling. I only use it to modify stock bevels or make pieces for repair jobs.If you don't wanna spend that kind of money either pass on the jobs or subcontract out the work.. When I need large pieces beveled like for multipanel door inserts I get the measurements and/or patterns and go to the local glass co that does mirror,table beveling etc.. They have a 300,000 beveling machine and get it done turbo speed.. Another option is to just cut the pieces to size and have another SG company that does a lot of beveling do it for you.. Most charge per inch.. Oh and don't waste yer money on the beveling adaptor gizmo for the Inland Twin Spin... It's junk.. Threw mine away when I got the Glastar... They have a site at www.glastar.com Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Golden To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:37 AM Subject: Bevel Machines > > Does DenverGlass.com have a competitor? I get the feeling I would never = > be able to afford any of their bevel machines. I've requested a catalog = > but am not very hopeful. I've also seen some bevel kits for the = > traditional griders but it sounds like they only bevel at 45 or 30 = > degrees and aren't really intended for an asthetic bevel. Maybe I = > should just leave these jobs to the big shops. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 25 23:30:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:02:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: byronw@fastlane.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9c.b169193.27a27a50_boundary" Subject: Re: bevelers Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:59:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_9c.b169193.27a27a50_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/01 10:34:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, byronw@fastlane.net writes: > > Does DenverGlass.com have a competitor? I get the feeling I would never = > > be able to afford any of their bevel machines. I have a Denver Studio Beveler. Cost about US$ 2400.00 new. I converted mine to all diamond grinding wheels for several hundred dollars more. IMO the only advantage of this machine is its ability to do tight inside curves. Having learned on the Denver upright, I purchased a Glastar B12 disk beveler when they came out a few years ago. Liked it so much that I bought a second one and would like a third to avoid changing disks. The machine with a set of disks costs about US$ 1600.00. I find it much easier to use than the Denver upright. The B12 is designed for straight beveling and outside curves. With practice it is possible to do straight bevels to about 24 inches on the 12 inch diameter disk. It is possible to "work over the edge" and do inside curves down to about four inch radius. Glass more than about one square foot gets hard to hold to the disk with accuracy. My machines have paid for themselves many times over. About 80% of my beveling is for other studios in my area. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 --part1_9c.b169193.27a27a50_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/25/01 10:34:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
byronw@fastlane.net writes:


> Does DenverGlass.com have a competitor?  I get the feeling I would never =
> be able to afford any of their bevel machines.  


I have a Denver Studio Beveler. Cost about US$ 2400.00 new. I converted mine
to all diamond grinding wheels for several hundred dollars more. IMO the only
advantage of this machine is its ability to do tight inside curves.

Having learned on the Denver upright, I purchased a Glastar B12 disk beveler
when they came out a few years ago. Liked it so much that I bought a second
one and would like a third to avoid changing disks. The machine with a set of
disks costs about US$ 1600.00. I find it much easier to use than the Denver
upright.

The B12 is designed for straight beveling and outside curves. With practice
it is possible to do straight bevels to about 24 inches on the 12 inch
diameter disk. It is possible to "work over the edge" and do inside curves
down to about four inch radius. Glass more than about one square foot gets
hard to hold to the disk with accuracy.

My machines have paid for themselves many times over. About 80% of my
beveling is for other studios in my area.

Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 --part1_9c.b169193.27a27a50_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 26 09:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:12:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Bevel Machines Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:53:10 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Randy, I'm afraid that what everyone is telling you is the case with most beveling equipment. I made my own about 18 years ago and have bought a second set just five years ago and like Bob I do a lot of beveling for other studios in the area.I am thinking about the Glastar system for a third set to compliment what I have with the diamond wheels right now I use silicon carbide on a 30"steel wheel and I have a smoothing stone that came from England love it!! The little machines don't do much more than a 1" cut off and then you have trouble polishing them with the pads that they give you,because they spin so fast they won't hold the cerium oxide on the wheel they just fling it all over the place.If you are really interested in beveling look into some good equipment or you are just plain wasting your time, and will be frustrated before you even get started. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 27 17:05:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 16:35:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!zakgunay From: Zeynep Akgunay To: glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stained Glass co. UK Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:32:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I just wanted to find out if any of you knew a stained glass mail order company at the UK?The reason for UK is that I have an American soldering iron which is a 110 and I'd like to order a 220 one as I know live in China.I wasn't able to find a place that sells stained glass stuff in Beijing.Thanks.Zeynep __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 18:56:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:34:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!sugole From: Susana Gomez To: sharifa@netrover.com, "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: From Mexico city Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:45:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi: My name is Susana and I live in Mexico city I born in 1960. and I love to work with glass. I learned it about 3 or 4 year ago when I bought an american book. Now if you want, I can help you in almost anything about glass that you want to do. The only thing that I have never did is Caleydouscoupe? This is one of my hobbies to make glass crafts (mirrors, crafts, windows, lamps). If you want to ask me something, with pleasure if I can I would tell you. I have scanner if you need a picture or draw. Tell me more about you. Tks. -- sharifa@netrover.com wrote: > Hello, Not Sure to whom I am writing. I have had > two sets of classes > learning stained glass and actually finished a lamp > at the second one. > I want to make a window panel, need some help. My > last teacher was > great, name - Tina , Italian with a little baby ( a > year ago) She no > longer works where I met her. Could anyone help. > If not I live in > Mississauga, so Oakville to Toronto is O.K. > Someone professional > -meaning knows what he/she is doing and has patience > yo teach. Thanks > for any help. W > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 19:29:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:19:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: uswest.net!laurielan From: "laurielan" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Fwd: NG~ new email address] Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:04:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I don't know why your email has been directed to me. Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > Please note my new email address. > This was completely unexpected, so if I dont know your email address by > heart, (I dont) I dont have it any more. If you'd like me to have your > email address, please email me! > > I still have my address book on my other computer, but Im not sure when > I'll have access to that. > > Thanks. > > Suzanne in Tulsa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 28 20:30:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Source Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:44:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hey all.. Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush ones and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya pay for in the store is the fancy package... Thanks in advance! Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 01:33:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:20:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: junglejungle.com!garden From: "2-Books Used Books For $5.99" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Two Used Books for $5.99 including postage (WE ARE NOT A CLUB) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:20:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <18161.236920.17881481 glassartsoc@earthlink.net> Precedence: bulk Page (URL) will be opening on the the Third of February 2001 We are, "2 Used Books for $5.99" NO ADULT MATERIAL SOLD BY US!!! Please let us send you the URL ........we will be adding more books every day! ALL BOOKS INCLUDE POSTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 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"Please support literacy in your community." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 01:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: junglejungle.com!garden From: "2-Books Used Books For $5.99" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Two Used Books for $5.99 including postage (WE ARE NOT A CLUB) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:20:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <18161.236920.17881481 glassartsoc@earthlink.net> Precedence: bulk Page (URL) will be opening on the the Third of February 2001 We are, "2 Used Books for $5.99" NO ADULT MATERIAL SOLD BY US!!! Please let us send you the URL ........we will be adding more books every day! ALL BOOKS INCLUDE POSTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TO RECEIVE THE URL PLEAESE PLACE ( 599) IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THIS EMAIL garden@junglejungle.com NOTE: Please place your email address in the body of email. Thank you! Or> Send your name and address to>> 5.99 For 2 4724 Murphy Road 25 Franklin, NC 28734 U.S.A. PLACE 5.99 WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS IN LETTER Thank you so much! David Hurwitz & Jodi Foster E-mail us we would love to hear from you!!!! 2-Used Books for $5.99 rwdwd@micron.net Romance Westerns Action Fiction etc....... "Please support literacy in your community." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 29 04:34:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:15:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: uswest.net!laurielan From: "laurielan" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Fwd: REMOVE] Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:05:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Margaret C wrote: > > Please remove me from your mailing list at this time. > Thanks Toonce222@cs.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 09:59:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:51:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: nls.net!titus From: "Bob Titus" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: light table Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:55:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sir: Was looking on the Internet for plans for a light table, and came = across your website. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 11:31:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:01:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'Bob Titus'" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: light table Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:15:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk 2 2x4's. cut and screw into a 2x4.5' rectangle. cover with 1/4" glass. suspend a 4' florescent shoplight underneath shining upwards. please turn off the mime format of your mail to this list. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Titus [mailto:titus@nls.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:55 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: light table > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Sir: > Was looking on the Internet for plans for a light table, > and came = > across your website. Problem is, can't find any mention of the light = > table.....can you help me locate this? Thanks > Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 13:04:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:00:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sun's rays, clear glass door Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:59:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk We have a customer that bought a door from HomeDepot/Lowes, the kind everyone sees everywhere. She doesn't like it because it lets too much sunshine through and it may bleach out her hardwood floors. Are there any easy answers here? ===== Thank you, Barbara Elmore __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 15:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:50:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: cinci.rr.com!rlean From: "RLean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: sun's rays, clear glass door Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:46:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I recently purchased a new front door with windows in it. So I already asked the question when I was shopping. She could go back to where she bought it or find out who manufactured it and ask it the glass has any UV protection. Sometimes it called low "e" glass. Many of the newer doors come with this protection. I don't believe that the old door had any protection. I would get afternoon direct sun shinning on my hardwood floor and it didn't harm it either. Don't know if this helps much...Robin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 19:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:16:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Byron Wells Subject: Re: Source Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:53:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If you are in the UK, B&Q now supply them. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Byron Wells writes >Hey all.. > >Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush ones >and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya pay >for in the store is the fancy package... > >Thanks in advance! > >Byron... >Wells Glassworks > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 19:44:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:18:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: barbara elmore Subject: Re: sun's rays, clear glass door Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:27:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, barbara elmore writes >We have a customer that bought a door from >HomeDepot/Lowes, the kind everyone sees everywhere. >She doesn't like it because it lets too much sunshine >through and it may bleach out her hardwood floors. > >Are there any easy answers here? > >===== >Thank you, >Barbara Elmore How about, Ultra violet light filters Strongly coloured glass Blinds Curtains An overhanging roof to shade the door A different door with your glass in it A solid door Accept that hardwood floors will bleach in strong sunlight if they are stained rather than natural. If they are just varnished, then they will actually get darker - look at all those varnished paintings and how dark they have become. Nope. I don't know any easy solutions Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 19:51:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:20:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Bob Titus Subject: Re: light table Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:05:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk This is one of the wonders of the internet search engines. They will give you everything, but what you want. The reference you had picked up is to a light box. That is one which illuminates a stained glass panel and is fixed to it as in a piece of furniture or painting hung on a wall. I do wish the search engines would improve. There are a large number of commercial ones used by researchers that give accurate responses rather than the millions of references given by these antiquated, highly promoted dinosaurs of information technology. There are even systems that can learn from the data you put in and the responses you give in relation to the data returned. These would give much more specific responses to enquiries, but then they wouldn't give the sites so many hits. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Bob Titus writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Sir: > Was looking on the Internet for plans for a light table, and came = >across your website. Problem is, can't find any mention of the light = >table.....can you help me locate this? Thanks > Bob > >------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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> >------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 30 19:59:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:23:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: ragingbull.com!charlie From: c s To: charliehodge@ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: glue chip Date: 30 Jan 2001 15:21:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk On Sat, 27 January 2001, "steve" wrote: > > a simple question but a complex answer i guess. > i need 4 mm glue chip any uk stockists or how do you make it. > > see http://www.glassmart.com/gluechip.html regards, charlie phx, az _________________________________________________________________ Talk Stocks with Smart Investors -- http://www.ragingbull.com Click Below for Brokerage Specials for Raging Bull Users http://www.ragingbull.com/tradingcenter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 00:31:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:28:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!irwin.judson From: irwin.judson@ns.sympatico.ca (Irwin Judson) To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Re: light table Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:49:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0CD9CBA51D7CEC8D60C3BABD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What and where is MIME? How do I turn it off? Why should I turn it on or off, 'cause I don't know what it is or does. Is this why we sometimes see no body in many messages to bungi, or a message comes through as gibberish? Irwin "Spitzer, Charlie" wrote: > > 2 2x4's. cut and screw into a 2x4.5' rectangle. cover with 1/4" glass. > suspend a 4' florescent shoplight underneath shining upwards. > > please turn off the mime format of your mail to this list. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Titus [mailto:titus@nls.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:55 AM > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: light table > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > Sir: > > Was looking on the Internet for plans for a light table, > > and came = > > across your website. Problem is, can't find any mention of the light = > > table.....can you help me locate this? Thanks > > Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------0CD9CBA51D7CEC8D60C3BABD Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="irwin.judson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Irwin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="irwin.judson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Judson;Irwin tel;cell:(902) 478 3570 tel;fax:(902) 464 1282 tel;home:(902) 461 4593 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;27 Celtic Drive;Dartmouth;Nova Scotia;B2Y 3G5;CANADA version:2.1 email;internet:irwin.judson@ns.sympatico.ca fn:Irwin Judson end:vcard --------------0CD9CBA51D7CEC8D60C3BABD-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 01:31:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:01:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: FASTLANE.NET!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Source Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:28:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3A74FEA9.4AD39FAC@dellepro.com>> Precedence: bulk Mainly need the wire brush ones... If he sells them by the doz cheap thats what I'm looking for... ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Byron Wells Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Source > Hi Byron. > > There is a guy that occasionally goes to the flea market here in Tulsa. > I bought a diamond bit from him for $2.oo, I think. I went looking for > him last Saturday and he wasnt there. I know he had lots of dremel type > bits before. > Is there something specific you want? If I ever manage to find him > again, I'll get contact info for him and get a better idea of what he's > got and his prices. > > Suzanne > > Byron Wells wrote: > > > > Hey all.. > > > > Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush ones > > and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya pay > > for in the store is the fancy package... > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 06:31:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:27:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: sun's rays, clear glass door Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:07:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by barbara elmore >We have a customer that bought a door from HomeDepot/Lowes, the kind everyone sees everywhere. She doesn't like it because it lets too much sunshine through and it may bleach out her hardwood floors. Are there any easy answers here?< Inexpensive contact paper - get the kind that is clear but has a texture = in it. This will diffuse/soften the light, is easy to apply, and is reversible should she ever want to go back to the original door. Plus= it can be applied to a verticle surface. Does not provide UV protection though. Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 08:15:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:06:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Irwin Judson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: MIME format Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk MIME stands for "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions." This is a fancy way of saying that emails can be displayed with color, different fonts, graphics and such. Some email programs and the Bungi server do not support MIME. Because of this, formatted emails are displayed funny (or not at all) in Bungi. That's because they were sent using rich text (formated, HTML containing, MIME, etc.), instead of plain text. This happened automatically, based on the default values of a person's email program. The easy way to take care of this problem is to send your emails to Bungi using plain text -- this makes sure that you email does not contain formatting that is difficult for others to read. To make this change, simply type your email as normal. Then, prior to hitting Send, change the format of your emails to "Plain Text." In Outlook Express, this is done by clicking on Format/Plain Text; other email programs have similar ways to change the format. Hope this helps. Brad Walker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Irwin Judson To: Spitzer, Charlie Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: light table > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------0CD9CBA51D7CEC8D60C3BABD > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > What and where is MIME? How do I turn it off? Why should I turn it on > or off, 'cause I don't know what it is or does. Is this why we > sometimes see no body in many messages to bungi, or a message comes > through as gibberish? > Irwin > > "Spitzer, Charlie" wrote: > > > > 2 2x4's. cut and screw into a 2x4.5' rectangle. cover with 1/4" glass. > > suspend a 4' florescent shoplight underneath shining upwards. > > > > please turn off the mime format of your mail to this list. > > > > regards, > > charlie > > phx, az > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bob Titus [mailto:titus@nls.net] > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:55 AM > > > To: glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: light table > > > > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C08AB3.79FEE1A0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > Sir: > > > Was looking on the Internet for plans for a light table, > > > and came = > > > across your website. Problem is, can't find any mention of the light = > > > table.....can you help me locate this? Thanks > > > Bob > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > --------------0CD9CBA51D7CEC8D60C3BABD > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="irwin.judson.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Irwin > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="irwin.judson.vcf" > > begin:vcard > n:Judson;Irwin > tel;cell:(902) 478 3570 > tel;fax:(902) 464 1282 > tel;home:(902) 461 4593 > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > adr:;;27 Celtic Drive;Dartmouth;Nova Scotia;B2Y 3G5;CANADA > version:2.1 > email;internet:irwin.judson@ns.sympatico.ca > fn:Irwin Judson > end:vcard > > --------------0CD9CBA51D7CEC8D60C3BABD-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 14:17:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:32:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: aol.com!Fsagg From: Fsagg@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: stained glass contest Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:30:23 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen this contest? It is really neat! Battlefield:Glass www.battlefieldglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 15:50:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:18:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: softhouse.com!giapet From: "Karen K." To: "Irwin Judson" Subject: Re: MIME format Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Changing this MIME setting in Outlook Express can also be done by going to..... Tools/Options/Send then checking *plain text* under *Mail sending format*. *Plain Text Settings* should also be set to *unencode*. Changing it here will send all your mail out in plain text, you will not have to check each email for it's format before sending. 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I - 45 @ ALDINE BENDER WIN 2 TICKETS IN GIVE AWAY FOR HOUSTON EVENTS JUST EMAIL US TO ENTER WEEKLY HOUSTON EVENT CALENDAR HOUEVENTS@AOL.COM HIT REPLY AND TYPE ADD ME TO WEEKLY EVENT CALANDER RODEO RODEO RODEO RODEO RODEO 281-447-8833 281-447-8833 GREAT SEATS AVAILABLE FOR ALL RODEO EVENTS FREE DELIVERY WITH ANY PURCHASE CALL 281-447-8833 OR SEE OUR WEBSITE AT WWW .NORTHSIDETICKETS.NET WWW.NORTHSIDETICKETS.NET GREAT SEATS FOR RODEO GREAT SEATS FOR RODEO GREATS SEATS FOR RODEO AND WWF WRESTLING CONCERTS 281-447-8833 CALL FOR GREAT SEATS 2/14 CELIA CRUZ 2/13 JIMMY BUFFET 2/21 RODNEY CROWELL & GUY CLARK 2/22 WEEZER 3/01 JEFF BECK 3/04 ERYKAH BADU 3/04 EA SUPERCROSS 4/01 WRESTLEMANIA 2001 4/02 US W/ PJ HARVY RODEO TICKETS IN ALL LEVELS AVAILABLE NOW CALL 281-447-8833 2/13 CLAY WALKER @ 7:00 2/14 ALAN JACKSON @ 7:00 2/15 HANK WILLIAMS JR. @ 7:00 2/16 DIANA ROSS @ 7:00 2/17 ALABAMA @ 4:00 2/18 DESTINY'S CHILD @ 3:35 2/19 LYLE LOVETT & ROBERT EARL KEEN @ 7:00 2/20 NEAL MCCOY & RASCALL FLATTS @ 7:00 2/21 98 DEGREES @ 7:00 2/22 BRAD PAISLEY & LONESTAR @ 7:00 2/23 GLADYS KNIGHT & PATTI LABELLE @ 7:00 2/24 KENNY CHESNEY & PHIL VASSAR @ 4:00 2/25 INTOCABLE & CONTROL @ 3:30 2/26 BROOKS & DUNN @ 7:00 2/27 DURAN DURAN @ 7:00 2/28 JO DEE MESSINA @ 7:00 3/01 DEF LEPPARD @ 7:00 3/02 MARTINA MCBRIDE & LEE ANN WOMACK @ 7:00 3/03 BARRY MANILOW @ 4:00 3/04 LEE ANN RIMES & BILLY GILLMAN @ 3:30 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 17:12:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:23:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: is clear a color? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010131165111.00a41160@mail.rdc1.az.home.com> Precedence: bulk Hello all, I am making a panel with a background using clear oceana glue chip glass. I had a large panel of the glass and as some of you may remember my dog bumped the glass and it broke and cracked in places. I was able to salvage a large piece but was nervous about some smaller pieces (not knowing if the cracks were cracks or glue chips). But I felt I still had enough to finish my panel. And then, one dark night, I accidentally stepped on the larger piece. (Don't ask) So I went to my stained glass dealer and got another piece of Oceana. I made a few pieces with the new glass and I swear that there is the slightest green tint to it. If I hold the old and new glass up to the light or on my light box I can't tell the difference. My question is: will anyone be able to tell the difference in the clear glass once it's hung in the window? It appears the green tint is only noticeable if there is white directly behind the glass. Thanks Lorley/Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 17:25:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:31:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye To: Byron Wells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Source Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: GlassWorks by Leslye Precedence: bulk Byron Wells wrote: > Hey all.. > > Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush ones > and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya pay > for in the store is the fancy package... > > Thanks in advance! > > Byron... > Wells Glassworks It took a while to locate the info for you Byron but I finally found my source. I was very happy with them. Here is the URL for what I ordered. http://www.mytoolstore.com/dremel/brshwhls.html Hope this helps, Leslye Nelson GlassWorks by Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 18:55:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:09:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Lorley Oneyear" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: is clear a color? Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<5.0.0.25.2.20010131165111.00a41160@mail.rdc1.az.home.com>> Precedence: bulk i guess it would depend on where it hangs. sunlight may wash it out. and green in the background always helps. i guess you can always blame it on the angle you/they are standing at. newer clears tend to tinge green when looking at them edge on, the glass is textured. maybe that would work. ---Mike Savad oh and technically speaking clear isn't a color it's colorless. however you have very light green, which is a color.... :) --- Mike's Stained Glass - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ Contains a wealth of stained glass information, stained glass tips, stained glass instruction, and many, many stained glass links. --- 11-7-00 - New Stuff Added: How to solder a nice bead, and several new projects. You can now search my site with a built in engine. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorley Oneyear [mailto:lorley@home.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:12 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: is clear a color? > > > Hello all, I am making a panel with a background using clear oceana glue > chip glass. I had a large panel of the glass and as some of you may > remember my dog bumped the glass and it broke and cracked in > places. I was > able to salvage a large piece but was nervous about some smaller pieces > (not knowing if the cracks were cracks or glue chips). But I felt I still > had enough to finish my panel. And then, one dark night, I accidentally > stepped on the larger piece. (Don't ask) So I went to my stained glass > dealer and got another piece of Oceana. I made a few pieces with the new > glass and I swear that there is the slightest green tint to it. If I hold > the old and new glass up to the light or on my light box I can't tell the > difference. My question is: will anyone be able to tell the > difference in > the clear glass once it's hung in the window? It appears the > green tint is > only noticeable if there is white directly behind the glass. Thanks > Lorley/Phoenix > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 19:25:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:55:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Leslye" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Source Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:58:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3A78AD0A.6C8BF901@discover.earthlink.net>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Leslye! I'll check them out.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslye To: Byron Wells Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Source > Byron Wells wrote: > > > Hey all.. > > > > Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush ones > > and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya pay > > for in the store is the fancy package... > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > > It took a while to locate the info for you Byron but I finally found my > source. I was very happy with them. Here is the URL for what I ordered. > > http://www.mytoolstore.com/dremel/brshwhls.html > > Hope this helps, > Leslye Nelson > GlassWorks by Leslye > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 20:56:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:24:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Source Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:59:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Leslye: Thanks for finding that for Byron, it is a great source and I am going to bookmark the page myself for when I need Dremel bits. Linda Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslye" To: "Byron Wells" Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Source > Byron Wells wrote: > > > Hey all.. > > > > Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush ones > > and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya pay > > for in the store is the fancy package... > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > > It took a while to locate the info for you Byron but I finally found my > source. I was very happy with them. Here is the URL for what I ordered. > > http://www.mytoolstore.com/dremel/brshwhls.html > > Hope this helps, > Leslye Nelson > GlassWorks by Leslye > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 31 22:55:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:22:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #528 built 2001-Jan-24) X-Path: compunet.net!tekelly From: tekelly@compunet.net (Theresa Kelly) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Source Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:49:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hey I'm a newbie and I need all the help I can get. I'm curious what do you all use the dremel bits (brush) for? I have the dremel tool so you use it in your stained glass work???? Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Leslye: > Thanks for finding that for Byron, it is a great source and I am going to > bookmark the page myself for when I need Dremel bits. > Linda Jo > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslye" > To: "Byron Wells" > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: Source > > > Byron Wells wrote: > > > > > Hey all.. > > > > > > Looking for a source for Dremel bits... I use a lot of the wire brush > ones > > > and don't mind buying bulk packs if they are available. Most of what ya > pay > > > for in the store is the fancy package... > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > Byron... > > > Wells Glassworks > > > > It took a while to locate the info for you Byron but I finally found my > > source. I was very happy with them. Here is the URL for what I ordered. > > > > http://www.mytoolstore.com/dremel/brshwhls.html > > > > Hope this helps, > > Leslye Nelson > > GlassWorks by Leslye > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass