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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0354A.D95740C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 13 18:48:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #497 built 2000-Oct-13) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE:Kiln Ideas Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Shirl, I heartily recommend Brad Walkers new book on Contemporary Warm Glass. It is short, sweet and oh so informative. Enjoy your kiln. Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 13 23:29:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #497 built 2000-Oct-13) X-Path: airmail.net!jpe747 From: "Jowell L. Peden, Jr." To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RBI saw Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:38:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Peden Unlimited Precedence: bulk Has anyone used the scroll saw by RBIndustries? It is a muliti purpose saw but RBI claims it is good for cutting glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 14 22:32:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #499 built 2000-Oct-14) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "D. ONeal" , Subject: RE:Kiln Ideas Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:22:56 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "RE:Kiln Ideas" on Oct 13, 20:52, "D. ONeal" writes:] > I heartily recommend Brad Walkers new book on Contemporary Warm Glass. It > is short, sweet and oh so informative. > Enjoy your kiln. I second that! It's a wonderful book! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 15 11:02:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #500 built 2000-Oct-14) X-Path: ime.net!glassart From: Avery Anderson To: "Christie A. Wood" , Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: IGGA-NEC Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <4.2.2.20001015132811.00a3ca60@ime.net> References: <<200010031158_MC2-B58F-D926@compuserve.com>> Precedence: bulk --=====================_28103459==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The following is a quote from the September minutes of the IGGA-NEC minutes. I thought this board should be aware of it: "Discussion of our dues ($20 annual) versus national dues ($45 for individuals/$55 for studios) prompted Lisa's giving a brief history of the IGGA's beginnings, start of our chapter, and of the recent issues several NEC members have with the mother organization and it's lack of response, organization, and service. We are still the only active Chapter of IGGA. Lisa will maintain contact with them and let us know if they improve. In the meantime, she (Lisa) has been in contact with a new group in the Virginia/Maryland/DC area called Capitol Glass Guild and will explore a possible connection with this group." In addition to this recent, discouraging, remark....there was a complaint posted on the Bulletin Board of the Warm Glass site about a month ago by a person that had sent in membership dues to the IGGA and had received no response - even though his dues were sent two month prior! I asked the person to send me his name and address so I could forward it to Christie, but he never responded. Avery Anderson Glass Art Arrowsic, Maine 04530 207-443-4157 http://www.averyanderson.com --=====================_28103459==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" The following is a quote from the September minutes of the IGGA-NEC minutes. I thought this board should be aware of it:

"Discussion of our dues ($20 annual) versus national dues ($45 for individuals/$55 for studios) prompted Lisa's giving a brief history of the IGGA's beginnings, start of our chapter, and of the recent issues several NEC members have with the mother organization and it's lack of response, organization, and service. We are still the only active Chapter of IGGA. Lisa will maintain contact with them and let us know if they improve. In the meantime, she (Lisa) has been in contact with a new group in the Virginia/Maryland/DC area called Capitol Glass Guild and will explore a possible connection with this group."

In addition to this recent, discouraging, remark....there was a complaint posted on the Bulletin Board of the Warm Glass site about a month ago by a person that had sent in membership dues to the IGGA and had received no response - even though his dues were sent two month prior! I asked the person to send me his name and address so I could forward it to Christie, but he never responded.

Avery
Anderson Glass Art
Arrowsic, Maine 04530
207-443-4157
http://www.averyanderson.com

--=====================_28103459==_.ALT-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 15 12:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #500 built 2000-Oct-14) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Outside stained glass Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:48:13 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Got a question for you guys.. I have an about 18 inches high scarecrow which I want to put outside. I have the rod to use. Then I am going to make a 20 inch high Nativity and want to put that outside. It is a panel (from the Glas Design series). Again, I already have the rod. My question is... is this a good idea? Should I do anything different? I use foil. I got the scarecrow from one of my books that has rings and things like the scarecrow to put outside. But, I just want to double-check before I put them on the rods. I really want to put them outside, but will keep them indoors if it is a bad idea...... Thanks in advance Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 04:32:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #502 built 2000-Oct-15) X-Path: go.com!officerjqg From: James Garner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: re: outside stained glass Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have made my own yard stands with 1/4 in iron. I then made several designs in round discs that were 1/2 inch smaller than the circle of iron. I bordered the glass with a heavy zinc frame to give the piece strength and keep the glass off the iron. I then made clips so I could mount the glass in the iron. It has been a year know and I have yet to break anything. Our county is known for the wind since there is nothing but flat land out here. Once the wind stooped blowing for a few minutes and everyone fell down. There was one day I tornadoes the glass in but it was because we had several tornadoes cited and a front with golf size hail was on the way. It is a good way for you to advertise that you do stained glass. A lot of people have commented and bought my set up. James James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 06:31:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #502 built 2000-Oct-15) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: officerjqg@go.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: outside stained glass Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:27:01 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks, James! I will go ahead and make it then. I like your idea of bordering it in zinc. Never thought of that. And, since at least the nativity isn't listed as an outdoor item, that would help. Now I am looking forward to it! Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 08:28:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #502 built 2000-Oct-15) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Window Delivery (again) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:09:04 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello again all- Thank you so much for the information you all provided regarding my last question regarding what documents you provide for your customers upon delivery of windows. I now have another question.... I am having a local professional flat glass shop install these windows. They are custom making aluminum framing to go around the S.G. windows that will then set inside the existing openings. I just spoke with the glass shop and they said that they will pick the windows up here at my studio but at NO TIME, during transportation or installation, will they be responsible for any damage that might occur. They said it is not fair to their insurance company if they have to make a claim on a product that isn't theirs. (makes sense) So.......this means that either the church will be responsible, or I will. Some of the contracts that I have read in the SGAA Tech and Reference manual have statements such as "the risk of loss shall become the responsibility of the purchaser upon notification of artwork being completed". That being said, I would think that it would be the responsibility of the church if something were to break during the transportation or installation. What are your thoughts and general practice regarding this? Thank you all in advance! Kauriee Wood The Looking Glass Dover, Delaware ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 09:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #503 built 2000-Oct-16) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: warranties Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:43:00 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk One more question....... What sort of warranties do you provide for your windows? Thanks, Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 10:32:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #503 built 2000-Oct-16) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Press Release:Ginny Ruffner at the Seattle Art Museum Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:26:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following press release is being forwarded by the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA) as a service to our online members. It does not imply endorsement. Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Cynthia Sharp, INTERNET:CynthiaS@SeattleArtMuseum.org Date: 10/13/2000 2:46 PM RE: Ginny Ruffner at the Seattle Art Museum = The following press release is included in the body of the e-mail. For slides or digital images, please contact Cynthia Sharp at CynthiaS@SeattleArtMuseum.org or telephone 206-728-9485. = Thank you. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Linda Williams, SAM Public Relations (206) 654-3166; email: LindaW@SeattleArtMuseum.org or Cynthia Sharp, SAM Public Relations = (206) 748-9285; e-mail: CynthiaS@SeattleArtMuseum.org _________________________________________________ Seattle Art Museum Mailing Address: PO Box 22000 Seattle, WA 98122-9700 Street Address: 100 University Street Seattle, WA 98101 _________________________________________________ Pre-eminent Artist Ginny Ruffner Creates = Special Installation at the Seattle Art Museum = Documents Northwest/The PONCHO Series: = Ginny Ruffner: Mind Garden Nov. 2, 2000 - Feb. 25, 2001 SEATTLE, Oct. 11, 2000- Mind Garden, an installation by nationally known artist Ginny Ruffner, will be presented by the Seattle Art Museum this fa= ll as part of Documents Northwest/The PONCHO Series. In the exhibit, the art= ist transforms the gallery into a mixed-media metaphor for the creative mind.= Through the use of dried rose petals (from more than 48,000 roses), steel= and glass, Ruffner investigates the source of creativity, particularly th= e involvement of the mind as it defines both art and artist. The exhibition= , which was created by the artist especially for this space, will be on vie= w Nov. 2, 2000-Feb. 25, 2001. Intelligence and wit dominate Ruffner's intensely creative art. Ruffner graduated from the University of Georgia with a degree in painting and drawing in 1975. By 1985 she had moved to Seattle and was teaching at th= e Pilchuck School of Glass. By 1991, at age 39, Ruffner was on the board o= f the Seattle Arts Commission and the Pilchuck School and was president of = the Glass Art Society; her work was featured in solo and group shows across t= he U.S. and around the world. = In the past several years, the workings of the brain have become of paramount interest to Ruffner. According to the artist, many elements of= the installation can be perceived as symbolically representing parts of t= he thought process. The carpet of rose petals covering the floor signifies = the plethora of neurons that physically create our thoughts; 300 metal leaves= , each holding a group of five blown-glass balls, stand for thoughts. The = 30 or so eight-foot abstract hanging shapes covered with rose petals are creative ideas that seem to come from nowhere and organize the neurons. Steel sculptures, reached by meandering pathways through the rose petals,= are seen by Ruffner as symbols for beauty, the organizing intelligence of= perceptions. Giant metal chains spanning the space itself represent thou= ght patterns, which can be inhibitory. = The juxtaposition of opposites in this installation (hard vs. soft, organ= ic vs. geometric, ephemeral vs. permanent), as well as the fascinating intellectual premise behind the art, is certain to make Mind Garden an arresting gallery experience. Tara Reddy, Assistant Curator of Modern Ar= t and Trevor Fairbrother, SAM's Deputy Director for Art/Jon and Mary Shirle= y Curator of Modern Art are co-curators of the exhibition. = Mind Garden also commemorates the museum's $40 million Century Endowment Campaign, which concludes Dec. 31, 2000. Following the exhibition, each Campaign donor of $25,000 or more will receive one of the 300 steel-leaf = and glass-ball pieces, which SAM commissioned Ruffner to create. In conjunction with Mind Garden, artist Ginny Ruffner will present an opening night lecture at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Nov. 2, in the Nordstrom Lecture Hall. The lecture is sponsored by the Pacific Northwest Art Council. = The Documents Northwest exhibition series is made possible through the ongoing generous support of PONCHO (Patrons of Northwest Civic, Cultural,= and Charitable Organizations). Seattle Art Museum, 100 University St., regular hours: Tuesday - Sunday, = 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.; Thursday until 9 p.m. For general recorded information, c= all (206) 654-3100. Box Office (206) 654-3121: Tuesday-Friday, 10:30 a.m.-4 p.m. Visit our Web site: www.SeattleArtMuseum.org Cynthia Sharp Public Relations Assistant Manager Seattle Art Museum PO Box 22000 Seattle, WA 98122-9700 Tel: 206-748-9285 (direct line) Fax: 206-654-3135 E-Mail: CynthiaS@SeattleArtMuseum.org Web: www.SeattleArtMuseum.org <> = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 12:32:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #503 built 2000-Oct-16) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Window Delivery (again) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:11:47 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/16/00 8:29:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Kauriee@aol.com writes: **this means that either the church will be responsible, or I will. Some of the contracts that I have read in the SGAA Tech and Reference manual have statements such as "the risk of loss shall become the responsibility of the purchaser upon notification of artwork being completed". That being said, I would think that it would be the responsibility of the church if something were to break during the transportation or installation. What are your thoughts and general practice regarding this? Thank you all in advance!** I in no way feel that the church, or any other customer, is responsible for stained glass that has not been installed. It is the responsibility of the providers to make good on any damage prior to instillation. Further, any liability or damage release forms should be provided to the client at the time a contract is entered into and not something that is news to them at the time of instillation. They could be told that they will be expected to sign a form saying that the glass was installed in good order. An established business could buy such damage insurance and pass the premium on to the clients on a pro rata basis. Insurance is a valid cost of doing business. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 16 22:48:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:25:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #503 built 2000-Oct-16) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: Patrick Kelly To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Public TV Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello again, Well here I am out of lurkdom again. This time its for a good cause. The local public TV station is having an auction to help suport itself. The auction is December 1, 2000. I have hosted the stained glass part in the past and they asked me to do it again (they didn't learn thier lesson the first time). Now for the commercial...... They need donated pieces for the auction. Anything you have will be fine, suncatchers, panels, slumped jewelry... anything you can part with. Donations are tax deductable (in the US). If you have a web site we can advertise it on the air. If you don't have a web site I'll have a sign with your name or business address and phone number on it. Its great advertisement. Several participating artist have had repeat business since the last time I did this. This is on the up and up. The TV station is KNCT, Killeen, TX. If you would like to send something I will collect them and take them to the auction. Send them to: Patrick Kelly PO Box 10266 Killeen, TX 76547 I plan on video taping the stained glass part and anyone donating will receive a copy of it. Thanks in advance Patrick Roses and Rainbows P.S. I am fairly honest ..... ask anybody on the list..... except that Brit Chick.....she lies.... ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 17 07:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #503 built 2000-Oct-16) X-Path: tctwest.net!Lcans From: "Christine N. Snyder" To: , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: [stglasspatternswap] [Fwd: Oct. Pattern Swap] Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:57:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<36.cb40b1c.271db2d8@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk http://www.glasscraftexpo.com/2001/ The classes are up on the Glass Crafters Expo. Chris ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 17 11:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #504 built 2000-Oct-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: Window Delivery (again) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:04:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If you are going to give the Church the responsibility for damage during transport, you had better let them know, as they may want to make some requirements on packaging and method of transport, etc. At any rate, you cannot pass the responsibility without telling them you intend to do so. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Hello again all- >Thank you so much for the information you all provided regarding my last >question regarding what documents you provide for your customers upon >delivery of windows. I now have another question.... >I am having a local professional flat glass shop install these windows. >They are custom making aluminum framing to go around the S.G. windows that >will then set inside the existing openings. I just spoke with the glass shop >and they said that they will pick the windows up here at my studio but at NO >TIME, during transportation or installation, will they be responsible for any >damage that might occur. They said it is not fair to their insurance company >if they have to make a claim on a product that isn't theirs. (makes sense) >So.......this means that either the church will be responsible, or I will. >Some of the contracts that I have read in the SGAA Tech and Reference manual >have statements such as "the risk of loss shall become the responsibility of >the purchaser upon notification of artwork being completed". That being >said, I would think that it would be the responsibility of the church if >something were to break during the transportation or installation. What are >your thoughts and general practice regarding this? >Thank you all in advance! > > >Kauriee Wood >The Looking Glass >Dover, Delaware >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 17 11:59:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #504 built 2000-Oct-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: warranties Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:09:22 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Hey, we are producing art. Not products. How many artists do you know that produce warranties? I just say "let me know if there are problems". Steve PS in relation to transport. I take that as part of my responsibility. And in fact my insurance covers the transport of goods. I think that is the only responsible route. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >One more question....... >What sort of warranties do you provide for your windows? >Thanks, > >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 18 08:02:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #505 built 2000-Oct-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Looking for glass decorative trees Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:48:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This lady sent in the following request through the IGGA website. If anyone would like to reply, please send your email to her at EpieMae@aol.com Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:EpieMae@aol.com, INTERNET:EpieMae@aol.com Date: 10/17/2000 10:23 PM RE: IGGA inquiry = Hi - looking for east coast glass artist, Nathaniel Freeman. AND, anybod= y = who has glass decorative trees. Thnx. ~Kathy :)= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 18 09:32:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #505 built 2000-Oct-17) X-Path: mindspring.com!cholloway From: Craig Holloway To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Looking for glass. Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001018151524.00675bcc@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk I am looking for some glass for a couple of projects and have not been able to find them. Does anyone know of a supplier? I am looking for 1)amber iridescent fibroid, 2)amber cathedral with a textuer call "Niagara". Thanks for any help you can give! Craig ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 18 11:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #506 built 2000-Oct-18) X-Path: fbol.com!Patty.McMaster From: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com To: GLASS@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:22:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk HI!! I AM LOOKING FOR WITCH SKIN COLOR {FOR A HALLOWEEN PROJECT DUHHH....} & WOULD LIKE TO USE GREEN SHADOW GLASS AFTER SEEING AMBER SHADOW GLASS BUT WAS TOLD THEY DO NOT MAKE "GREEN SHADOW GLASS , IS THIS TRUE? I LIVE IN ST LOUIS MO & WOULD LIKE TO GET IT SOMETIME SOON THANKS FOR ANY HELP ANYONE MAY HAVE ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 18 16:24:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #506 built 2000-Oct-18) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: re: Window delivery Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:29:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This really bothers me. I don't think that the church should be responsible for the windows until installation is complete. It sounds to me that you need insurance that will cover your windows in transport, in someone elses custody prior to installation, or be prepared to *eat it*. We have a similar situation with people wanting insulated panels. (We do a lot of doors) We have *one* company locally willing to insulated our panels. What I hear is *no* body *wants* to insulate them. We've just finished a $20,000 solid brass came entry system which consists of double doors (two large panels), 4 sidelights and a huge transom. Total of 7 panels. It's such a major pain because it takes us longer to clean the panels well enough to insulate, than it takes us to build the panels. The company that will insulate them has no form of guarantee at all. If the panel comes back nasty inside the insulation...we have no recourse but to pay them to do it again. So far, we warn the client, then if they insist on insulating, they take the risk, and if it has to be redone *they* bite it. I feel like they have the no garantee policy because they dont want to have anything to do with leaded panels...and will be relieved when we quit sending them work. Suzanne >I am having a local professional flat glass shop install these windows. >They are custom making aluminum framing to go around the S.G. windows that >will then set inside the existing openings. I just spoke with the glass shop >and they said that they will pick the windows up here at my studio but at NO >TIME, during transportation or installation, will they be responsible for any >damage that might occur. They said it is not fair to their insurance company >if they have to make a claim on a product that isn't theirs. (makes sense) >So.......this means that either the church will be responsible, or I will. >Some of the contracts that I have read in the SGAA Tech and Reference manual >have statements such as "the risk of loss shall become the responsibility of >the purchaser upon notification of artwork being completed". That being >said, I would think that it would be the responsibility of the church if >something were to break during the transportation or installation. What are >your thoughts and general practice regarding this? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 18 19:02:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #506 built 2000-Oct-18) X-Path: enterprise.net!robertcbullock From: "Robert. C. Bullock." To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Window delivery.. Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:41:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C03976.23DA3100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The supplier, should have considered the cost and implications of = delivery at the time of calculating the estimate/quote for the job. There are = very few carriers who will cover the cost of damage to glass in transit. Insurance should give full cover up to the time the completed works are installed. At all times figure this into the estimate/quotation = calculations. However, it is better to deliver and install oneself. If one can make = good stained glass then it is always better and more satisfying to complete = the entire job yourself. What will happen if a church requests a renovation to a stained glass = window which is rendered into the stone fabric of the building? How will = the lead light be removed and transported? One cannot rely on others and the only way is to become self reliant. = Accept the challenge and go for it. You will be surprised at how = competant you are, you will learn and continue to learn. Learn how to do = it yourself, the only way is to actually do it youself, and this will = alleviate any problems you have with third parties. A stained glass panel should never be fully insulated accept when incorporated inside a double glazed unit and if so the glaziers should accept full responsibility for any breakdown in seal. If the panel is = not incorporated into a double glazed unit then it will reqire ventilation = to prevent condensation forming. I could go on but I think a previous = member has dealt with this. Regards, Robert ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C03976.23DA3100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The supplier, should have considered the cost and = implications=20 of delivery
at the time of calculating the estimate/quote for the = job. There=20 are very
few carriers who will cover the cost of damage to glass in=20 transit.

Insurance should give full cover up to the time the = completed=20 works are
installed. At all times figure this into the = estimate/quotation=20 calculations.

However, it is better to deliver and install = oneself. If=20 one can make good
stained glass then it is always better and more = satisfying=20 to complete the
entire job yourself.
What will happen if a church = requests=20 a renovation to a stained glass window which is rendered into the stone = fabric=20 of the building? How will the lead light be removed and = transported?

One=20 cannot rely on others and the only way is to become self reliant. Accept = the=20 challenge and go for it. You will be surprised at how competant you are, = you=20 will learn and continue to learn. Learn how to do it yourself, the only = way is=20 to actually do it youself, and this will alleviate any problems you have = with=20 third parties.

A stained glass panel should never be fully = insulated=20 accept when
incorporated inside a double glazed unit and if so the = glaziers=20 should
accept full responsibility for any breakdown in seal. If the = panel is=20 not
incorporated into a double glazed unit then it will reqire = ventilation=20 to
prevent condensation forming. I could go on but I think a previous = member
has dealt with=20 this.

Regards,
Robert

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C03976.23DA3100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 18 20:00:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #506 built 2000-Oct-18) X-Path: usaor.net!mahoney From: Ruth Mahoney To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Retail Stained Glass Stores Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am a partner in a retail stained glass shop in Western PA and would like to offer some suggestions and comments on the purchases of supplies and glass for stained glass projects. We offer the best selection of stained glass in the tri-state area and carry glass from a number of manufacturers including Bullseye, Spectrum, Uroboros, Youghiogheny, Armstrong, Kokomo, Duncan, Oceana, etc. We give individualized help to our customers, teach excellent classes and are available any time to help anyone. It really hurts when so many people decide to purchase supplies and glass from mail order houses and from the internet just because the price is better. If you have ever been in business yourself you can appreciate the time and money that goes into having a successful business. We offer a 20% off discount card for our customers and most of them have found that in purchasing this card and using it, they save more than the cost of supplies on the internet or mailorder, especially when you consider shipping charges. I could never understand how anyone who was making a Tiffany style lamp, for example, would purchase glass they had not seen. When time is taken to choose the right glass for the right project, the outcome is spectacular. Our Website is signature-glass.com. We encourage you to visit our site. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 19 16:28:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: new cutter Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:05:43 -0700 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001019160301.00a0e5c0@mail.rdc1.az.home.com> Precedence: bulk My glass cutter has a split in the barrel where the oil is stored. It's usable but messy. I'm looking to replace it. Any ideas on a brand name for me to look at. I've been using the one that looks like a fat pencil with the oil in the barrel so I'd like to stay with the style I'm used to. Thanks Lorley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 19 17:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Lorley Oneyear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: new cutter Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<5.0.0.25.2.20001019160301.00a0e5c0@mail.rdc1.az.home.com>> Precedence: bulk Lorley Oneyear wrote: > > My glass cutter has a split in the barrel where the oil is stored. It's > usable but messy. I'm looking to replace it. Any ideas on a brand name for > me to look at. I've been using the one that looks like a fat pencil with > the oil in the barrel so I'd like to stay with the style I'm used to. > Thanks Lorley > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Lorley, Before you settle try out a Toyo Pistol Grip cutter. I have been using one for almost 6 years and I can use it all day and not get tired. The pencil type wear me out in about 1/2 hour. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 19 19:02:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: new cutter Date: Thu, 19 Oct 00 19:41:24 Message-ID: <200010200144.TAA09255@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Lorley, over the years, doing computer work, I have developed carpal tunnel syndrome. I've used the long Toyo, which is just too long for my hand. And I've tried the pistol grip, which everyone says is wonderful. I hated it. It was hard to control and put most of the cutting pressure right on the carpal tunnel area. The one I settled on and still use, without any fatigue, is the Score II by Fletcher. I would suggest you find a shop that has many different kinds/brands and try them out before you buy one. And of course, if you're trying them out there, buy there also! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 19 20:33:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: go.com!officerjqg From: James Garner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Glass cutter wheel Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Speaking of glass cutters..... My fater in law uses an antique glass cutter that has a ball that goes in the palm of your hand and a bar that extends to the outside fingers. (It looks odd) anyway to use it you have to dip the cutting weel in oil every so often. He has stated the the wheel is getting worn out. I cant find a suplier that sells only the cutting wheel. I dont want to buy a new cutter just to take the weel off. Any sugestions. James James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 19 20:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: new cutter Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200010200144.TAA09255@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk I too used the Toyo TC-10 brass cutter for years, had my carpul tunnel surgery in April. :o/ A good friend sent me a pistol grip to try out. I dont like cutting with it. I tried the new toyo TC-21 V at Glass Visions...and man am I in love. I LOVE that cutter. It's still and upright, but it has a little *thing* that goes into your hand that makes a world of difference for me. There is also a new cutter that my boss uses, It's called a "Far East" It's inexpensive but cuts like a dream. It's a pencil type cutter, and I like it as much as a Toyo. It's molded plastic so easier to hold on to for me than the TC-10. Suzanne, who really LOVES her TC-21V Candy wrote: > > Lorley, > over the years, doing computer work, I have developed carpal tunnel syndrome. I've > used the long Toyo, which is just too long for my hand. And I've tried the pistol grip, > which everyone says is wonderful. I hated it. It was hard to control and put most of the > cutting pressure right on the carpal tunnel area. The one I settled on and still use, > without any fatigue, is the Score II by Fletcher. > > I would suggest you find a shop that has many different kinds/brands and try them out > before you buy one. And of course, if you're trying them out there, buy there also! > > Candy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 01:05:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:57:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!meyer64 From: "Meyer" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Stained Glas Stores Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:11:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C03A00.594E7960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have not once replied to this list sense I subscribed, but your letter = deserves a comment. I live in Bakersfield, Ca. We have one stained = glass store here and he only sells supplies as a courtesy. I order most = of my supplies from the internet. When I do go to my local glass = supplier to get supplies, I feel like I am keeping him from his work. = Though he is always courteous and helpful. Not only that, I all of a = sudden can't make up my mind when trying to choose glass. I can sit at = home and choose what I need easier than going to the glass shop. If we = had a major retailer in town, I am sure I would buy my supplies from = there. But when I am real busy and can't get out, the convenience of = sitting in my living room late at night ordering supplies is great. I = don't order on the internet because it is cheaper, I order their because = it is more convenient for me. I feel it is very important to keep are = local glass suppliers alive. I am looking into becoming one myself in = the near future. But don't feel hurt when someone chooses to order from = an internet supplier and not you. Many times their are things in their = lives other than price that is driving them there. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C03A00.594E7960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have not once replied to this list = sense I=20 subscribed, but your letter deserves a comment. I live in = Bakersfield,=20 Ca. We have one stained glass store here and he only sells = supplies as a=20 courtesy. I order most of my supplies from the internet. = When I do=20 go to my local glass supplier to get supplies, I feel like I am keeping = him from=20 his work. Though he is always courteous and helpful. Not = only that,=20 I all of a sudden can't make up my mind when trying to choose = glass. I can=20 sit at home and choose what I need easier than going to the glass = shop. If=20 we had a major retailer in town, I am sure I would buy my supplies from=20 there. But when I am real busy and can't get out, the convenience = of=20 sitting in my living room late at night ordering supplies is = great. I=20 don't order on the internet because it is cheaper, I order their because = it is=20 more convenient for me. I feel it is very important to keep are = local=20 glass suppliers alive. I am looking into becoming one myself in = the near=20 future. But don't feel hurt when someone chooses to order from an = internet=20 supplier and not you. Many times their are things in their lives = other=20 than price that is driving them there.

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C03A00.594E7960-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 01:28:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: James Garner , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Glass cutter wheel Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:01:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc Precedence: bulk Hi James, Try contacting these folks for just that cutter wheel. C. R. Laurence Co. Inc., 2503 E. Vernon Ave., Los Angeles CA 90058 (800) 421- 6144 Fax: (800) 262-3299 Email: crl@crlaurence.com Web site: www.crlaurence.com C. R. Laurence Co., Inc. (CRL) is a leading supplier to the glazing, construction, industrial and automotive industries. Offering more than 20,000 products, the company serves the industry from 18 locations throughout North America and Europe. or go to one of the more well known manufacturers.. The Fletcher-Terry Co., 65 Spring Lane, Farmington CT 06032-3311 (860) 677- 7331 (800) 843-3826 Fax: (860) 676-8858 Email: customerservice@fletcher- terry.com Web site: www.fletcher-terry.com Telex: 966-479 Manufacturer of glass, plastic and matboard cutting tools and equipment for the stained glass, picture framing, flat glass, and other industries. I'd try these places first, but it may be possible that the wheel on this palm cutter is somewhat of a special size or angle, and therefore may not be quite as readily available. Peace -Gerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 06:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: new cutter Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:13:49 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk While we are on the subject of cutters.... I use the pistol grip and love it. However, mine seems to use a lot of oil. Even when I don't use it. I swear that after I have stopped using it for a day or so, that the oil seems to disappear. Is there some adjustment I should be making? Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 06:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:34:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #507 built 2000-Oct-19) X-Path: go.com!officerjqg From: James Garner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Outside Glass Stands Cont. Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I thought I posted this but I Guess I did not. These were picks of the stand and glass I have around. I would of did better ones but my wife sold the last one we had last week, I didnt know. The first is the picture of one the "rounds" we put in the stand. It has been in one off and on for a year. I am suprised at how well the glass holds up. I cant find any signs od wear and tear. http://www.geocities.com/officerjqg/roundexample.jpg The second is a coseup view of the top of the stand and how we attached it. I do not have any full shots that are detaialed enough to do it justice. http://www.geocities.com/officerjqg/Image002.jpg I have never seen the mass prodused (overpriced) stands in person. I have seen pictures of them in catalogues. They appear not to be the most stout things. In my climate that is important to me. Fortunatly I live in an area where welding shops are common. I supose in the big city they would cost much more to do. James James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 08:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: virgin.net!w.fludgate From: "w.fludgate" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: BioChem Glass web site Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:20:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: www.biochemglass.com Precedence: bulk here is a new web site that might interest hobbyists that might require supplies or training. visit us at http://www.biochemglass.com or http://www.biochemglass.co.uk regards Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 09:07:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: mindspring.com!cholloway From: Craig Holloway To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Cutter Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001020155636.0069e524@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk The pistol grip is a good choice for those with hand problems. However, the Cutters Mate is even better if you can afford one. The swivel action of the cutter arm combinded with the 2" weighted grip cutter hand hold which ueses a Toyo self oiling cutter offers control you can not beleive. Craig ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 12:41:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Meyer" , Subject: Re: Stained Glas Stores Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:34:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Meyer, I agree I don't bother to post most times either. I buy my glass and supplies mostly over the internet from Warner-Crivallero that also has a retail store in Pa. But I live in a town where retailers come and go like the hurricane season. So I have built my own resources over the years and have learned not to depend on the small local guy that might not be there next week. When someone comes into town and sets up shop I try to give them business, mostly glass if I can. But like you say often these are small studios really (that are selling what they have left over from their comission jobs) and the mail order places/internet site of W-C offer a larger selection and such. We have a new glass retailer about 40 miles away, and I try to give them some business but, always price is the factor. We talk glass and it is a nice trip for me. They are good folks and I have told all the glass folks I know about them. That is the best I can do for them. But I still buy where I get the best price for what I am looking for. If the local guy can do that then fine. I am willing to pay a little more per square foot for a piece of glass to be able to look at it and pick, but that isn't always an option for me. A retailer has to earn the loyalty of the customers not demand it. So far I haven't run into any here in my town that stayed in business long enough to garner that respect. Oh well, I get my glass and supplies and that is all that counts. Later, Linda Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meyer" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Stained Glas Stores > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C03A00.594E7960 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I have not once replied to this list sense I subscribed, but your letter = > deserves a comment. I live in Bakersfield, Ca. We have one stained = > glass store here and he only sells supplies as a courtesy. I order most = > of my supplies from the internet. When I do go to my local glass = > supplier to get supplies, I feel like I am keeping him from his work. = > Though he is always courteous and helpful. Not only that, I all of a = > sudden can't make up my mind when trying to choose glass. I can sit at = > home and choose what I need easier than going to the glass shop. If we = > had a major retailer in town, I am sure I would buy my supplies from = > there. But when I am real busy and can't get out, the convenience of = > sitting in my living room late at night ordering supplies is great. I = > don't order on the internet because it is cheaper, I order their because = > it is more convenient for me. I feel it is very important to keep are = > local glass suppliers alive. I am looking into becoming one myself in = > the near future. But don't feel hurt when someone chooses to order from = > an internet supplier and not you. Many times their are things in their = > lives other than price that is driving them there. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C03A00.594E7960 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >

I have not once replied to this list = > sense I=20 > subscribed, but your letter deserves a comment. I live in = > Bakersfield,=20 > Ca. We have one stained glass store here and he only sells = > supplies as a=20 > courtesy. I order most of my supplies from the internet. = > When I do=20 > go to my local glass supplier to get supplies, I feel like I am keeping = > him from=20 > his work. Though he is always courteous and helpful. Not = > only that,=20 > I all of a sudden can't make up my mind when trying to choose = > glass. I can=20 > sit at home and choose what I need easier than going to the glass = > shop. If=20 > we had a major retailer in town, I am sure I would buy my supplies from=20 > there. But when I am real busy and can't get out, the convenience = > of=20 > sitting in my living room late at night ordering supplies is = > great. I=20 > don't order on the internet because it is cheaper, I order their because = > it is=20 > more convenient for me. I feel it is very important to keep are = > local=20 > glass suppliers alive. I am looking into becoming one myself in = > the near=20 > future. But don't feel hurt when someone chooses to order from an = > internet=20 > supplier and not you. Many times their are things in their lives = > other=20 > than price that is driving them there.

> > ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C03A00.594E7960-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_26.c36cf08.27220617_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 14:05:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: go.com!officerjqg From: James Garner To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: RE: Stained Glass Stores. Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I also use internet companies for everything except glass. I prefere to order my glass through a small studio in a town close to mine. She gets it faster and I dont see much of a price diffrence. When I go there I then peruse her glass she has laying around. I buy a square of anything there that peaks my interest. Then I steal her scraps. She likes to use extrenly expensive glass in her comissions and throws away pretty big pieces. Anyway.. thats my 2 cents. James James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 15:41:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:23:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: GlassByDes@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Fwd: Stained Glas Stores Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Sounds like you have never met Charles or Marianne Warner. They are wonderful people who spend a lot of time answering questions and doing everything they can for their customers that any other retailer Ive ever met does. They have incredible customer service, the best selection, and they built their business up from the ground. They deserve everything they have, most small retailers that complain about them only suffer from jealousy as far as I can tell. Charles and Marianne came from the same place as most of us, but apparently they are smarter than most, cause they have been very successful at what they do. If anything I only admire them for that. They are good hearted people and are as accessable as any other glass retailer Ive ever met or talked to. Suzanne GlassByDes@aol.com wrote: > > What did Warner do to earn your business? Send you a fancy flyer. It no > wonder the small stores go out of business with loyalty like yours. You buy > two thing at the small retailer/service and answers to problems. If you small > retailer provides neither then I say shame on them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 15:46:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:25:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Meyer , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Stained Glass Stores Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:10:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Ok...I'll toss in my pennies too. I work for a local studio. Our major business is fabrication. We have limited supplies, but lots of glass. We have a few regular customers who buy glass from us. (and a few other supplies) *I* buy the majority of *my* supplies online. I do have my employer order some things for me. Price is VERY important to me. Stained glass studios arent the highest paying employers in the world! ;o) If it costs me less to order online, I will. If it will be more afordable to buy from my employer I will. I work very hard for my money, and have to be frugal. Im lucky that I love my employer, and get to work in a job that I do what I love to do. I'll be even luckier if they ever pay me what *I* think Im worth! :o) Then I may just shop according to whose selection is best and gives the best customer service. The places I buy from are *ACE* in that catagory already though! BTW, Im real open with my boss about the supplies I use and where I buy them. They dont take offense if I dont buy from them. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 15:59:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Stained Glas Stores Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk My My My aren't we sensitive. Eljay > What did Warner do to earn your business? Send you a fancy flyer. It no > wonder the small stores go out of business with loyalty like yours. You buy > two thing at the small retailer/service and answers to problems. If you small > retailer provides neither then I say shame on them. When only the Internet > and the catalogs remain, then I guess you can order books, tapes and > subscribe to Internet list to learn the fine art of Stained Glass, Mosaics, > Etching, Fusing, Pate-DE Verde and Painting on glass. Our prices are > comparable to Warners, Glass Crafters, Delhi, ect, but it always amuses me > when a customer who has never bought from us walks through the door because > the just cant figure out how to change the blade to the Taurus which they > bought via mail order or Internet. They always seem to reply with we called > ??? or we E-mailed. Typical response is that they must send it to the > manufacture. Do we help them replace the blade, you bet we do at no cost. We > have to put it your way, earned several customers this way. While others we > never see again. Oh well I hope for their sake it doesn't break down again. > Their is always the manufacture. > > Glass By Design, Inc. > Fort Lauderdale, FL > > http:://www.stainedglassbydesign.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 16:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: James Garner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Stained Glass Stores. Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk One of the problems with the local glass shops in my area is they mainly only carry Spectrum and Kokomo. They have limited selections of Youghiogheny, Uroburos, Chicago Artglass, Armstrong, etc.... What they do carry of Yough, Bullseye, or Uroburos, they want you to trade them something like an arm or a leg. Sheesh...I cant afford anything but Spectrum locally! If you can afford to give up one of your favorite appendages, they might have 3 different sheets to choose from! Give me Warner-Criv any day! If I order glass sight unseen, and I dont like it that much for what I ordered it for, I'll use it sooner or later for something else. Although I like spectrum and Kokomo fine for some things I use other glass as well. Suzanne James Garner wrote: > > I also use internet companies for everything except glass. I prefere to order my glass through a small studio in a town close to mine. She gets it faster and I dont see much of a price diffrence. When I go there I then peruse her glass she has laying around. I buy a square of anything there that peaks my interest. Then I steal her scraps. She likes to use extrenly expensive glass in her comissions and throws away pretty big pieces. Anyway.. thats my 2 cents. > > James > > James Garner > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 17:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: GlassByDes@aol.com, Bungi Glass Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Fwd: Stained Glas Stores Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I would be happy to buy my stained glass supplies locally - - - BUT when the local store puts a price on a pound of pre-tinned copper wire of $13.95 and I can get the exact same item from WC for $6.95, why would I buy it locally? If they want to go in for the price gouging, I simply won't buy there. Also, this particular merchant has a sign posted in his store saying that if anyone brings in a mail order catalog, they will be asked to leave and not come back. I don't need my catalog along with me to know his prices are out of line. I do buy glass locally when I am looking for special glass, but if Spectrum is what I want, then it is far more economical to order from WC and pay the shipping. My local merchant really doesn't give me an option, if I am going to sell my finished product and make a profit. I really don't want to work for nothing. I enjoy doing stained glass, but not to that extent. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 17:16:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'GlassByDes@aol.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Stained Glass Stores Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:02:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk business 101: there will ALWAYS be someone willing to sell what you are selling for cheaper. if you have put your head in the sand concerning internet marketing and wishing it will all just go away, your shop is going to go the way of the dinosaurs. if you can't differentiate on some phase of your business (installation, custom design, customer service, what have you), then you might as well close up shop now. warner crivello has just done a better job at selling commodity items better than most. embrace the network. this EXPANDS your possible clientele. if you think of it as limiting, then by definition, it is. frankly, your shop is 2500 miles from me and the great majority, if not all, of the people on this list will never enter your shop. why should i worry about your local customers? and thusly, why are you worrying about whether i patronize my local stores? if they haven't figured out the above paragraph, their shop will just as dead as your shop. btw: you're using an aol account. that's based in virginia. why aren't you using a local isp? regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: GlassByDes@aol.com [mailto:GlassByDes@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:33 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Fwd: Stained Glas Stores > > > What did Warner do to earn your business? Send you a fancy > flyer. It no > wonder the small stores go out of business with loyalty like > yours. You buy > two thing at the small retailer/service and answers to > problems. If you small > retailer provides neither then I say shame on them. When only > the Internet > and the catalogs remain, then I guess you can order books, tapes and > subscribe to Internet list to learn the fine art of Stained > Glass, Mosaics, > Etching, Fusing, Pate-DE Verde and Painting on glass. Our prices are > comparable to Warners, Glass Crafters, Delhi, ect, but it > always amuses me > when a customer who has never bought from us walks through > the door because > the just cant figure out how to change the blade to the > Taurus which they > bought via mail order or Internet. They always seem to reply > with we called > ??? or we E-mailed. Typical response is that they must send it to the > manufacture. Do we help them replace the blade, you bet we do > at no cost. We > have to put it your way, earned several customers this way. > While others we > never see again. Oh well I hope for their sake it doesn't > break down again. > Their is always the manufacture. > > Glass By Design, Inc. > Fort Lauderdale, FL > > http:://www.stainedglassbydesign.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 17:32:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #508 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: local retailers Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I wont generalize for all over the country....but in my area, there are several studio/retailers. One of which I work for, and I know them all. (I worked for one of the others in the past also) Each of them have their own way of doing things, as do we all....and nobody seems to have all the answers. Some have lots more experience, but all of us make a bad score every once in a while, or put that bevel in upside down occaisionally or some other thing we know better than to do. Not only have I learned a thing or two from them, but Ive also taught some of them a thing or two...and no they didnt have to buy anything from me for me to share my knowledge. BTW, I bought my Taurus from WC, and when the blade broke, Gemini was more than happy to send me a free blade and walk me through installation, call me back to check up on me etc. Just because a person doesnt own a retail shop doesnt make them a dim wit. Some retailers never leave their shop...and only learn what *their* suppliers tell them. Even old dogs can learn new tricks. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 19:27:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #509 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily&Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: New Cutters Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 22:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk Why just one cutter? I have a variety and switch, expecially since I have arthritic hands. Plus I seem to achieve better accuracy for one type of cut with one and another type of cut with another. - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 20 20:28:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #509 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: New Cutters Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 22:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20001021225208.0073aa84@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk yup, me too. I use a toyo pistol grip, a fletcher pencil shape and an old red devil steel wheel...different ones for different glass, as well as a change of grip. Dee At 10:04 PM 10/20/00 -0400, you wrote: >Why just one cutter? I have a variety and switch, expecially since I >have arthritic hands. Plus I seem to achieve better accuracy for one >type of cut with one and another type of cut with another. - Cec > >-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 21 04:31:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 04:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #509 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: aol.com!CncptThnkr From: CncptThnkr@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: retail stained glass stores Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:17:55 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello all, I want to add my cent or two to the fray. My closest retailer has the personality of a corpse and wouldn't give you advice if his life depended on it but is there when I need some copper foil, solder or glass asap. Suzanne pointed out that while some may think WC is a large faceless catalog retailer, it's really run by wonderful people who know glass....Delphi is the same. Delphi is about 100 miles from me and well worth the trip. When I was considering a band saw they handed me glass and said "try them" (I did buy one, but so far it's only been used to cut bathroom tile ) When I wanted some glass with "just the right shading" they stood sheets in front of the window so I could choose exactly which variety of glass I wanted and what portion of the sheet I wanted. I found a glass bevler reduced to $119 from $268 because it had been a mail order return and was used, they opened the box from a new one so we could compare to find if all the pieces were there and even called the distributor to check something we found confusing then gave me the phone # and name of who to talk to in case I had more questions. I consider that service, don't you? The big catalog retailers aren't K-Mart, they are glass people who've accomplished what some small retailers never will be able to accomplish. It's up to each retailer to find their niche and hold onto their share of the market, but you already know that don't you? Ok, off my soap box, hope everyone has a great weekend. Patricia (who is currently spellcheckerless and apologizes for any and all errors) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 21 07:02:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 06:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #509 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stained Glas Stores Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 09:53:39 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk << http:://www.stainedglassbydesign.com >> Our prices are > comparable to Warners, Glass Crafters, Delhi, ect, In my opinion you want to have the best of both worlds. I see that you have a website....where people that DO NOT LIVE close to you can order from you. I recently moved to an area that has only 1 SG store.....most of the time when I go there, they DO NOT have the color glass that I need or what. I am not talking expensive glass........there have been pieces that I used Spectrum or Armstrong in and needed just a little more. Now as far as them having "art glass", forget it. It is very discouraging to go to a store and get the comment, "we do not have that", almost every time you enter. Also this store is NOT LIKE most other SG stores that I have entered, the people are not friendly or overly helpful. Like Suzanne said they are there mainly for fabrication. Now if I am going to order anything, I have to believe the company that I am going to order from will have the items and ship it to me in a timely matter. I do not want to have to wait around for a small store to order it from their supplier and then ship it to me. I was told one time by a retail store that it would take them 8 weeks to get me some bevels....I think not. There was 2 wholesale warehouses in the same town and as much fabrication as this place did, it would not have taken them that long to come up with the minimum order that they would have had to place. You have a retail store, that is great.....but you must want people that live farther away from you to shop from you also....because you have a website. Unless people have won the lottery, we have to watch where are money goes. I love to do SG but it is not an inexpensive hobby to get into. Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 21 08:02:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 07:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #509 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: aol.com!GlassByDes From: GlassByDes@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: SG Stores Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 10:32:45 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My final comments. Yes, Marianne is a great person, which to add we have purchase castings and several items from her in the past. My main point is yes price and service are important concerns. You have the right to walk into a SG retailer and expect completive prices and service. If you live in an area far away from a retailer then you have no choice. If your local retailer is not competitive then shame on him. It is his loss. Glass selection is important. The Internet mail order selling is a small portion of our business. But it has also brought a lot of local and world travelers who look for stores in the Fort Lauderdale area. As for a customer base, we have no problem with this being in a metro are over 5 million. Happy cutting. Glass By Design, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 21 08:57:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #509 built 2000-Oct-20) X-Path: mindspring.com!cholloway From: Craig Holloway To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: local retailers Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001021153116.0066ac2c@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk At 06:39 PM 10/20/00 -0500, you wrote: >I wont generalize for all over the country....but in my area, there are >several studio/retailers. One of which I work for, and I know them all. >(I worked for one of the others in the past also) > >Each of them have their own way of doing things, as do we all....and >nobody seems to have all the answers. Some have lots more experience, >but all of us make a bad score every once in a while, or put that bevel >in upside down occaisionally or some other thing we know better than to >do. > >Not only have I learned a thing or two from them, but Ive also taught >some of them a thing or two...and no they didnt have to buy anything >from me for me to share my knowledge. > >BTW, I bought my Taurus from WC, and when the blade broke, Gemini was >more than happy to send me a free blade and walk me through >installation, call me back to check up on me etc. > >Just because a person doesnt own a retail shop doesnt make them a dim >wit. > >Some retailers never leave their shop...and only learn what *their* >suppliers tell them. Even old dogs can learn new tricks. > >Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >I want to add my two cents to this topic. My local dealer is a glass shop not a studio who sells retail to support their work. Why help those that compete with for the local business? It is onething if glass is a hobby and another if its a living. Craig ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 21 21:35:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Stained Glass Retailers Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 00:10:35 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I, also, have been priviledged to meet Charles & Marianne Warner. Their operation is "FANTASTIC". They are really nice folks, forever working to improve what they already have, and they DO listen to their customers.... their sales and service is unbeatable. That being said..... however...... they are located an hour's drive from my house, and I know that lots of you folks out there, have to travel long distances in many cases to make your stained glass purchases. I am fortunate enough to have two smaller suppliers in my area. One is a Mom & Pop storefront, whom I am eternally greatful for, (they got me started in Stained Glass)...and, another larger facility, (but, nothing like W-C)..... just 20 minutes away. All big items are bought from W-C (grinders, cutters, soldering irons and other supplies (and there are many) that the locals do not carry). Always attend "Glass Visions", and always take advantage of their sale items. I buy copper foil, zinc, brass, chemicals, and glass from the two local suppliers...no matter what the price (like to see the glass in person). I feel there is room in this industry for everyone, if the attitude is right. We're lucky to live in this county where the diversity in products and service is available, and, we can take advantage of it all. Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Oct 21 21:38:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: rdaver.bungi.com!dlr From: James Garner To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Mass Glass Transit Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 16:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Now that the holidays are approaching I would like to bring up the topic of moving glass. When I go to shows I pack all my pieces into those large plastic tubs with lids. I currently wrap all pieces individually with towles and stack them standing up from biggest to smallest. I used cardboard to seperate the pieces before also. Any way sometines I break a piece. Does anyone use a method that would be better. I wouls especially like to hear how people do non flat glas, Butterfyies, or pieces that are odd shaped. Thanks James P.S. Gota lot of traffic on that ratail store thing huh... James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 06:31:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: officerjqg@go.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Mass Glass Transit Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:08:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk As for packing, I would not advise stacking in a box going from the bottom up as this would create too much weight (pressure) on the bottom pieces that could lead to cracks. I would stack flat pieces "standing up" - perhaps in a vertical expanding file, with plenty of padding. This way there would not be weight on any piece. If items have uneven edges, be sure there is plenty of padding to "float" the piece so there is no weight on any one edge. And try not to pack too much in any one box or envelope. Hint: When I purchased a computer by Ebay, it came shipped in a box with a foam lining. This has been a great transport box for glass pieces, particularly 3-D objects that stand. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 08:48:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: clocks Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:31:00 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a place to get clock works? I am trying to find a white face 4" in diameter.. all I can find is brass and at least 5". I also need a pendulum.... Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 09:01:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: erols.com!stf From: "Sharon T. Filetti" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Plhila area great deal! Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:50:52 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk 0100,0100,0100I still have about $6000. in various glass (size and kind) that I'll let go for $2000. OR will make an agreement if someone wants to use the glass and sell their peices and I share a percentage. I'll even teach or give knowlege I have as part of the deal. It's too much work to describe properly in type, and then properly package and send this so if you can come to West Chester, PA to come see it and are interested, please call Sharon at 610-429-0478. -- Sharon T. Filetti stf@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 09:03:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: glassgirl.com!jenny From: "Jennifer S. Geldard" To: "James Garner" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Mass Glass Transit Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 08:40:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk A lot of my work is 3 dimensional, so I use foam peanuts to support something like that. I also use foam sheets for flat pieces. The foam that looks like egg cartons. You can buy it through shipping suppliers. But I've found it's cheaper to buy one of those foam mattress pads made for a bed, and cut it up into usable pieces. I stack the glass between layers of that inside large plastic containers for transport to shows.It's thick enough (2") that I don't need cardboard too. -Jen from the desk of Jennifer S. Geldard http://www.glassgirl.com -----Original Message----- From: James Garner [mailto:officerjqg@go.com] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 7:53 PM To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Mass Glass Transit Now that the holidays are approaching I would like to bring up the topic of moving glass. When I go to shows I pack all my pieces into those large plastic tubs with lids. I currently wrap all pieces individually with towles and stack them standing up from biggest to smallest. I used cardboard to seperate the pieces before also. Any way sometines I break a piece. Does anyone use a method that would be better. I wouls especially like to hear how people do non flat glas, Butterfyies, or pieces that are odd shaped. Thanks James P.S. Gota lot of traffic on that ratail store thing huh... James Garner ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 10:31:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 10:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: James Garner Subject: Re: Mass Glass Transit Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk James, Lots of polystyrene chips in addition to your existing packing would help. Pressed down slightly, this will keep the pieces tight into the main box. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, James Garner writes >Now that the holidays are approaching I would like to bring up the topic of >moving glass. When I go to shows I pack all my pieces into those large plastic >tubs with lids. I currently wrap all pieces individually with towles and stack >them standing up from biggest to smallest. I used cardboard to seperate the >pieces before also. Any way sometines I break a piece. Does anyone use a >method that would be better. I wouls especially like to hear how people do non >flat glas, Butterfyies, or pieces that are odd shaped. > >Thanks >James > >P.S. Gota lot of traffic on that ratail store thing huh... > >James Garner >___________________________________________________ >GO.com Mail >Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 11:35:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: hotmail.com!outerborneo From: "benjamin springer" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: RE: clocks Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:52:38 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Just Glass out of Burlington Wisconsin offers a 1 7/16" quartz clock. Whittemore-Durgin Glass Co. has a 4 1/2" aluminum clock face. Also check out www.rbdesigns.com/howee/dials_miscellaneous.html they have 4" painted clock faces. And there's a guy at www.clockdials.com that makes custom clock faces in many styles. I hope that helps you out benj _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 12:05:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: erols.com!stf From: "Sharon T. Filetti" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: correction to PHILA area great deal! Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk The phone number is 610-429-0578 not 0478. -- Sharon T. Filetti stf@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 18:46:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: hotmail.com!marybdaily From: "Mary B" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: SG Purchases Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:35:43 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk DITTO, Suzanne. I've been a lurker too long. I, also, have been extremely impressed with the service I've received from WC AND Delphi. Neither have hesitated to answer any question I've asked or given me any hassle about an inferior purchase. I think it is commendable for Marianne and Charles to open their entire business once each year for folks to come from miles around to enjoy the special pricing and camaraderie of other SG enthusiasts. My local SG supplier has been extremely greedy about pricing (although they're fine folks), but I also have a responsibility to "earn" a little money in my craft and must make good business decisions when buying my supplies. What an attitude... to attempt to shame SG artists who buy from the supplier of their choice. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 22 21:52:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: airmail.net!jpe747 From: "Jowell L. Peden, Jr." To: Mar333Wood@aol.com, "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: RBI saw Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<18.37f6efc.2719aaf8@aol.com>> Organization: Peden Unlimited Precedence: bulk Marti, Thankx for your imput on the RBI saw. Since your letter, I've been thinking and looking etc. at the options and today purchased the saw. I have to admit I am anxiously waiting delivery. Again, thank you for your imput and I will try to give the club an update on how I enjoy the saw. Jowell ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mar333Wood@aol.com wrote: > Hi > In answer to your question about the RBI Scroll Saw, I have one and love it. > It's an overkill in doing glass but cuts like a dream. The blades only cost > about $18 and seem to last forever. I have Gry. band saw, one of the first to > come out and hate it. The blades cost over $100 ea and seem to break often. > BTW, I still have the band saw with two extra blades it you know of anyone > who wants one. > > The RBI is much more expensive but for me, it was worth it. > > Have a good day, > > Marti > > Enjoy the beauty of stained glass at: > http://members.aol.com/Mar333Wood/WOODMAR.html > Marti Woodward > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 23 10:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: About Classes Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:39:48 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Help Bungions, Any help that you can give me concerning classes would be greatly appreciated. Tools? Patterns? Extra Insurance? Setting up the studio? Also how much would you sell glass scraps by the pound? Thanks so much for your help Marie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 23 11:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'PookyPook@aol.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: clocks Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:59:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk you might try doing a search on http://www.rocker.com which is a woodworking place. this http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?&DID=6&sku=4951 might be what you're looking for. this page is the movement. you can buy the faces and hands separately. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: PookyPook@aol.com [mailto:PookyPook@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 8:31 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: clocks > > > Does anyone know of a place to get clock works? I am trying > to find a white > face 4" in diameter.. all I can find is brass and at least > 5". I also need a > pendulum.... > > Ruth > pookypook@AOL.com > http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter > http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 > ICQ11716411 > "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 23 12:00:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Store Info Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Bungians I am putting together a little booklet for myself of all the S.G. Studios I can find. Please send me your studio name, address, phone number and e-mail addy. Also a brief description of what it is that you do, ie: custom work, teach, sell supplies etc. Thanks Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 23 20:49:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: e-mail Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:18:08 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk lost everything when hard drive went. now that repairs are done i no longer get any main from anyone. dont even know if this is the correct address. help :-) thanks in advance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 23 22:33:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:11:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Non Glass but good Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, October 24, the NFL's Breast Cancer Awareness Day, the NFL will donate $5 for every person that: - logs onto NFL.com - then clicks on "NFL For Her" (left hand column). 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************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 10:38:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!GlassByDes From: GlassByDes@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_5d.24b59e8.27271bcf_boundary" Subject: Fwd: SG Stores Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:07:27 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_5d.24b59e8.27271bcf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glass By Design, Inc. Sorry about that. My name is. Bob Martinez --part1_5d.24b59e8.27271bcf_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.8) with ESMTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:03:46 -0400 Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:03:36 -0400 Received: from ix.netcom.com (pool-63.52.128.64.dlls.grid.net [63.52.128.64]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09150; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 15:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39F1E842.14267C79@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 14:02:26 -0500 From: Suzanne Gunn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GlassByDes@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SG Stores References: <1970Jan1.000.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No offense intended, but do your customers know your names? I dont understand why you dont sign your name, Ive made some very good friends here in the last couple of years, but not by signing my name... Glassdancer or Blackwells' employee etc We could meet you somewhere and not even know that we've talked to you before. Suzanne AKA glassdancer Tulsa Suzanne etc... ;o) GlassByDes@aol.com wrote: > > My final comments. Yes, Marianne is a great person, which to add we have > purchase castings and several items from her in the past. My main point is > yes price and service are important concerns. You have the right to walk into > a SG retailer and expect completive prices and service. If you live in an > area far away from a retailer then you have no choice. If your local retailer > is not competitive then shame on him. It is his loss. Glass selection is > important. The Internet mail order selling is a small portion of our > business. But it has also brought a lot of local and world travelers who look > for stores in the Fort Lauderdale area. As for a customer base, we have no > problem with this being in a metro are over 5 million. Happy cutting. > > Glass By Design, Inc. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_5d.24b59e8.27271bcf_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 14:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: e-mail Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:16:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk yep i got it ok. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. -----Original Message----- From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com [mailto:SGriffiSBG@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:18 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: e-mail lost everything when hard drive went. now that repairs are done i no longer get any main from anyone. dont even know if this is the correct address. help :-) thanks in advance ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 15:02:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass scraps by the pound Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:32:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:ARTIZ01@aol.com >Also how much would you sell glass scraps by the pound? Thanks so much for your help Marie< A friend of mine who owns a retail store has annual glass scrap sales. She sells them for $.75 per pound. Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 15:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non Glass but good Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne: Thanks for the heads up on the NFL.com site. I did log on and click on NFL for Her. If that was enough then I will be proud they donate $5 to breast cancer research. If I should have done something else, let me know. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 15:47:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!Wskyrnr21 From: Wskyrnr21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: insurance Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:09:11 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk What happens to crates of glass damaged in shipping. As a consumer or recipient of damaged shipment who is responsible the carrier or manufacturer? What is my recourse? Thanks Kevin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 16:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Glass scraps by the pound Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:12:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk We sell scrap for $2.00 a pound. Suzanne "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > > Message text written by INTERNET:ARTIZ01@aol.com > >Also how much would you sell glass scraps by the pound? > Thanks so much for your help > Marie< > > A friend of mine who owns a retail store has annual glass scrap > sales. She sells them for $.75 per pound. > > Christie A. Wood > North Wales, PA USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 24 17:02:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!GlassByDes From: GlassByDes@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d3.b89536e.27276fa7_boundary" Subject: Fwd: insurance Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:05:11 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_d3.b89536e.27276fa7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my understanding that UPS will insure no glass over 12 x 12. If your shipment was with UPS the original package must be ava for inspection. If it was a truck shipment it is with the carrier. Most sellers of glass put a notice in their package on how to file a claim. If not call them for advise on how to file the claim with the carrier if their was insurance. Bob M Glass By Design --part1_d3.b89536e.27276fa7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (rly-yg02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.2]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:48:20 -0400 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yg02.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:47:57 -0400 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!Wskyrnr21 From: Wskyrnr21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: insurance Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:09:11 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown What happens to crates of glass damaged in shipping. As a consumer or recipient of damaged shipment who is responsible the carrier or manufacturer? What is my recourse? 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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 25 00:55:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: GlassByDes@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Re: Fwd: SG Stores Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Nice to meet you, Bob! :o) Suzanne GlassByDes@aol.com wrote: > > Glass By Design, Inc. > Sorry about that. My name is. > Bob Martinez ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 25 08:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: Wskyrnr21@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: insurance Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:47:40 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In regard to buying mail order glass..the 2 I have gotten from are just great Delphi & Glass crafters both replaced without hesitation. Still yet to order from Warners. as a hobbiest, the 2 local stores are pretty good but still always need to watch the budget like everyone else. Sometimes the locals are so expensive--like 50% higher than ordering even. Karlene from wisconsin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 25 11:04:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: "INTERNET:chelms@accmail.umd.edu" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Looking for glass artists.... Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:59:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Fellow Bungians, I was unsuccessful in finding these three artists in the IGGA database. If anyone has any information about them, would you please reply to the message's originator at chelms@accmail.umd.edu Thanks! Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA ------------------------------------------- Message text written by INTERNET:chelms@accmail.umd.edu >I'm looking for imformation on three glass artists, and was hoping you could help. They are Richard Jolley, Michael Graves and Hilton McConnico. Thank you.< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 25 12:34:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Prescott AZ event Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:59:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > Antonius Glass Studios is participating in the Third Annual Open >Studio and Sale on November 18th & 19th and November 25th & 26th 2000, >10:00a.m. to 4:00p.m.. Glassblowing Demos on all days. Gaffers: Jim >Antonius, Nathan Macomber, John Lutes, Dave Klein and William Dabney >(apprentice glassblower, 12 yrs. old). Call for directions or other >information. Jim Antonius, 2118 Old Kettle Drive, Prescott, Az. 86305 >Studio: 520 445-0905 Antonius is the founder of a (the only?) school in AZ that offers a fully accredited BA degree in glass works. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Oct 25 15:54:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pjfriend" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" , Subject: Re: Prescott AZ event Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Do you happen to know what that school is? And if the degree in Fine Arts with a concentration in glass? And do you know if it is only hot glass ("which it probably is because all the big buck collectors put their money behind their artists......unlike us working in flat glass....which is the poor child of the glass arts".....she says smiling) The SGAA is working with Flagler College in Florida on their "Glass Degree" which will be a BA of Fine Arts with a concentration in Stained Glass. I would love to see that 12 year old blow glass. That would be worth the visit alone. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Prescott AZ event > > Antonius Glass Studios is participating in the Third Annual Open > >Studio and Sale on November 18th & 19th and November 25th & 26th 2000, > >10:00a.m. to 4:00p.m.. Glassblowing Demos on all days. Gaffers: Jim > >Antonius, Nathan Macomber, John Lutes, Dave Klein and William Dabney > >(apprentice glassblower, 12 yrs. old). Call for directions or other > >information. Jim Antonius, 2118 Old Kettle Drive, Prescott, Az. 86305 > >Studio: 520 445-0905 > > Antonius is the founder of a (the only?) school in AZ that offers a fully > accredited BA degree in glass works. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Oct 26 08:03:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: daver.bungi.com!owner-glass From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Subject: Non Glass but good Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, October 24, the NFL's Breast Cancer Awareness Day, the NFL will donate $5 for every person that: - logs onto NFL.com - then clicks on "NFL For Her" (left hand column). They will donate up to $50,000 to the Susan G Komen Breast Cancer Foundation. > Click here: NFL.com: NFL For Her ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 27 09:18:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cave Creek/Carefree AZ event Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:55:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk We will be tied up with the Sonoran Arts League's FOURTH ANNUAL Hidden in the Hills Studio Tour, which as many of you know, takes place November 18th & 19th and November 25th & 26th 2000, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 10 a.m..- 5 p.m. Over 30 studios in the Cave Creek/Carefree Desert Foothills with 96 artists participating. Last year we saw over 1,000 visitors come through Laughing Glass Studio. Maps and Artist Directories are available here - Hope to see some of you soon! Carole Perry Laughing Glass Studio 4944 E. Sawmill Circle Cave Creek, AZ 85331 phone: (480) 488-6070 fax: (480) 488-6062 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 27 09:52:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:43:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: GLASS@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NEED A TREE PATTERN Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:30:51 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk HELLO, DOES ANYONE HAVE A PATTERN FOR AN ASH TREE AND A LAUREL TREE? THANKS BUNNY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Oct 27 11:25:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: new to kiln Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:03:32 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Help I just purchased a Pinto Kiln, It did not have any directions. I have never used a kiln before. I need to paint faces for a stained glass piece I am doing. I have Fuse Master lead free paints to use with Fuse Master Water Friendly Medium. Do I need a tracing black for outlining? Can you tell me what my first to last step is? I would appreciate any help. Thanks Bunny ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 29 12:58:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:30:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Seal Pattern Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:09:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings, Can anyone tell which issue of Glass Patterns Quarterly, had a pattern of a Seal showing his reflection in the water. I remember seeing it in glass patterns, but can't seem to find it among my patterns. Peace, Tim -- Live easy, but think first. -- anonymous ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 29 13:00:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:57:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NZ Stained glass artist and tutor looking to move to the UK Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:02:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk ...from a fellow glass artist in New Zealand. Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "vaughan.stott@xtra.co.nz", INTERNET:vaughan.stott@xtra.co.nz Date: 10/27/2000 6:17 PM RE: NZ Stained glass artist and tutor looking to move to the UK My name is Rose Stott from Cambridge NEW ZEALAND and I am looking at movi= ng = to the UK to Live and work, I am a fully trained Stained Glass Artist wit= h = more than 15 years experience as well as 5 years Tutoring Experience and= = would be interested in any stained glass related work, in and around The = UK. contact info rose.stott@xtra.co.nz contact ph 0064 78277195 or 0064256085907 thanks Rose Stott= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Oct 29 14:30:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:00:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: juno.com!aglassworks From: aglassworks@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Looking for a pattern Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:39:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have a suncatcher pattern for Blue Bonnets? I've been asked to make one and am not having any luck finding a pattern. Thanks. Angie ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 30 01:02:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:31:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Looking for a Pattern Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:17:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk If you look in the pattern book STATE BIRDS AND FLOWERS by Carolyn Kyle, you should find a nice pattern of Blue Bonnets listed under Texas (it is their state flower.) Hope this helps, Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 30 17:04:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:41:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Glass pen Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:19:23 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Is there a permanent glass pen on the market? I need to draw some fine lines and my hands are a tad to shakey to use paint and a thin paintbrush. Also, how big a piece of glass would you consider "safe" before worrying about breakage. I am talking about suncatchers. Is there some sort of rule of thumb, or is it just up to the individual? Thanks in advance.... Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Oct 30 19:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:12:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: home.com!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Glass pen Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk the sanford paint pens work real well. big is only relevant to what kind of cuts you make in it. if it's a bandsaw cut, then it may break real early. there is real no safe size... ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: PookyPook@aol.com [mailto:PookyPook@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:19 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Glass pen > > > Is there a permanent glass pen on the market? I need to draw some > fine lines > and my hands are a tad to shakey to use paint and a thin paintbrush. > > Also, how big a piece of glass would you consider "safe" before worrying > about breakage. I am talking about suncatchers. Is there some > sort of rule of > thumb, or is it just up to the individual? > > Thanks in advance.... > > Ruth > pookypook@AOL.com > http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter > http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 > ICQ11716411 > "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 31 06:19:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:12:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: Re: Glass pen Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:04:16 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/31/00 3:07:53 AM !!!First Boot!!!, esavad@home.com=20 writes: > big is only relevant to what kind of cuts you make in it. if it's a bandsa= w > cut, then it may break real early. there is real no safe size... >=20 >=20 >=20 Okay, Mike.. can you explain this a little further? Why will a bandsaw cut=20 break easier? I am using the Gemini saw with these. =A0I haven't heard of th= ese=20 cuts being more prone to breakage. Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?"=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 31 11:03:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:33:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: saw cuts breaking Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk mike is referring not to the fact that all saw cuts will break, but to the fact that saw cuts allow you to make pieces that inherently weak. cuts like a 90 degree angle cut, or very deep inside cuts, or very thin pieces with cuts near the edge are weak and any stress at all will cause them to break, usually somewhere in the middle of your already completed piece. these types of cuts are very hard to do by hand cutting. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: PookyPook@aol.com [mailto:PookyPook@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:04 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Glass pen > > > In a message dated 10/31/00 3:07:53 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > esavad@home.com=20 > writes: > > > > big is only relevant to what kind of cuts you make in it. > if it's a bandsa= > w > > cut, then it may break real early. there is real no safe size... > > Okay, Mike.. can you explain this a little further? Why will > a bandsaw cut=20 > break easier? I am using the Gemini saw with these. =A0I > haven't heard of th= > ese=20 > cuts being more prone to breakage. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 31 11:41:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:28:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: email.msn.com!brown_gregory From: "brown_gregory" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass pen Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Snip >Okay, Mike.. can you explain this a little further? Why will a bandsaw cut=20 break easier? I am using the Gemini saw with these. =A0I haven't heard of th= ese=20 cuts being more prone to breakage.> Here we go again :o) If the shape can't be cut by a hand glass cutter, then it should not be cut with a saw. Greg Glass By Design ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 31 18:31:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:09:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: PookyPook@aol.com Subject: Re: Glass pen Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:15:25 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If you can't cut the curve with a normal glass cutter, the curve is likely to be so tight that it makes a weakness in the glass due to the stresses put on it in use. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, PookyPook@aol.com writes >In a message dated 10/31/00 3:07:53 AM !!!First Boot!!!, esavad@home.com=20 >writes: > > >> big is only relevant to what kind of cuts you make in it. if it's a bandsa= >w >> cut, then it may break real early. there is real no safe size... >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > >Okay, Mike.. can you explain this a little further? Why will a bandsaw cut=20 >break easier? I am using the Gemini saw with these. =A0I haven't heard of th= >ese=20 >cuts being more prone to breakage. > > > >Ruth >pookypook@AOL.com >http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter >http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 >ICQ11716411 >"Ever stop to think and forget to start again?"=20 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Oct 31 19:30:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:02:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #525 built 2000-Oct-21) X-Path: aol.com!PookyPook From: PookyPook@aol.com To: Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c.c9c7044.2730d1d6_boundary" Subject: Re: saw cuts breaking Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:54:30 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_c.c9c7044.2730d1d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/00 7:07:40 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: > that saw cuts allow you to make pieces that inherently weak. cuts like > a 90 degree angle cut, or very deep inside cuts, or very thin pieces with > cuts near the edge are weak and any stress at all will cause them to break, > usually somewhere in the middle of your already completed piece. these types > of cuts are very hard to do by hand cutting. > > Unfortunately, I learned that little lesson the hard way! I must apologyze if I have stirred up a past topic, but no one versed me in the do's and don'ts of saw-cuttings so this is new, vital info for me. I really do appreciate the answers so far. All makes perfect sense... Thanks, again! Ruth pookypook@AOL.com http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222 ICQ11716411 "Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" --part1_c.c9c7044.2730d1d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/31/00 7:07:40 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com writes:

that saw cuts allow you to make pieces that inherently weak. cuts like
a 90 degree angle cut, or very deep inside cuts, or very thin pieces with
cuts near the edge are weak and any stress at all will cause them to break,
usually somewhere in the middle of your already completed piece. these types
of cuts are very hard to do by hand cutting.

Unfortunately, I learned that little lesson the hard way! I must apologyze if
I have stirred up a past topic, but no one versed me in the do's and don'ts
of saw-cuttings so this is new, vital info for me. I really do appreciate the
answers so far. All makes perfect sense... Thanks, again!

Ruth
pookypook@AOL.com
http://members.aol.com/RTSkeeter
http://members.aol.com/Alyeska222
ICQ11716411
"Ever stop to think and forget to start again?" --part1_c.c9c7044.2730d1d6_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass