From owner-glass Tue Aug 1 07:41:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:15:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #369 built 2000-Jul-31) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!blusdog From: "FRANK STEELE" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Web Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:24:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFFAD1.30544080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi my name is Tami Steele, and I am a new glass artist, interested in = putting a web site out there. Would like to know of a few free sites for = glass or art? Also web rings? And any other good ideas of information = you might have. If anyone could let me know I would much appreciate it. Thanks again, Tami ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFFAD1.30544080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi my name is Tami Steele, and I am a new glass artist, interested = in=20 putting a web site out there. Would like to know of a few free = sites for=20 glass or art?  Also web rings?  And any other good ideas of=20 information you might have. If anyone could let me know I would much = appreciate=20 it.
 
Thanks again,
Tami
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFFAD1.30544080-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 1 14:24:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #374 built 2000-Aug-1) X-Path: tinyworld.co.uk!lily-b From: "lily-b" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: Tami Steele Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:11:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFFC05.80D2D500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi in repsonse to Tami Steele's request for glass links, check out the = following: http://www.glass.co.nz/links.htm lilyb For contemporary designs in glass, from tiles=20 and coasters to garden water features, visit lilyb designs.=20 Commissions very welcome! ---> http://www.lilyb.com <---=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFFC05.80D2D500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01BFFC05.80D2D500-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 2 15:54:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #377 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: James Garner Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblasting Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk James: There is no reason for you not to continue sandblasting...IF you first protect yourself (lungs) with the appropriate respirator with filters to keep out the minute particles that breakdown from the blasting. Many people build their own sandblast cabinets...and they come in all sizes. When I blast using the cabinet I still wear protective gear. If I were blasting outside the cabinet I would even wear a hood AND a respirator. Sandblasting does offer another dimension for working in stained glass. I recently went to a "fine arts" gallery and found numerous items that had been sandblasted and painted using air brush technique. Sounds like that would be perfect for what you have been doing. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 3 08:32:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: UK classes in Lampworking? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:44:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I spotted details on rec.crafts.glass about proposed weeks (8 x 2-hours) of classes in Lampworking (Beads, Swans, Flowers, Chess sets etc) to be held at Sundon Park, Luton, Beds. Unfortunately this is no good for us as we only have Sundays off in which to take part in any new ventures, so I asked if they had thought of perhaps doing a couple or more full-day courses on a Sunday. Bill Fludgate (the contact there) has said that if there is the demand he could probably organise something of the sort. If anyone is interested in learning flameworking please contact Bill - email to - and let him know whether you could make their planned week courses or would be more keen on Sunday courses. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 3 13:20:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: UK classes in Lampworking? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:59:54 +0100 Message-ID: <200008031918.e73JIYa05533@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear EliZabeth, Dear Bunginians, Thank you for the Reminder. Christie Wood posted this course as an IGGA News Item in March. I picked it up and saved it. It is of great interest to me ..... in long terms .... also for MY students. I have been in touch with Bill Fludgate.... the course IS running.... starting 4th September. They told me that they had had ONE reply from USA (WWWWHHHOOO????) Come on!! Confess!! Do you think you would escape the attention of Elisabeth/ Toby OR MERIC!!!?? The Glass Blowing Course is an attempt to get something up and running on a continuous basis, developing basic and further skills about glass blowing in UK. BioChem is known for its commitment to training and community participation. My dear friend and part commercial partner Jenny (who some of you have met) was Head of a Department at Luton University. When Christie posted the Course last March, Jenny cottoned on and said - "yep" - I know these guys - they're serious! EliZabeth!!! I'm ON this course in September. I intend to evaluate it for my students, and for other people interested.... and if ANYONE ACROSS THE POND joins, you will have hospitality, food, fun and MERIC to lick you to bits. IGGA will have a full article about the course. BioChem DO infer that this is the first of possible more courses. Count me IN! Mmmmmm, exciting. I enquired, am joining.... will keep you posted. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK EliZabeth Law wrote: I spotted details on rec.crafts.glass about proposed weeks (8 x 2-hours) of classes in Lampworking (Beads, Swans, Flowers, Chess sets etc) to be held at Sundon Park, Luton, Beds. Unfortunately this is no good for us as we only have Sundays off in which to take part in any new ventures, so I asked if they had thought of perhaps doing a couple or more full-day courses on a Sunday. Bill Fludgate (the contact there) has said that if there is the demand he could probably organise something of the sort. If anyone is interested in learning flameworking please contact Bill - email to - and let him know whether you could make their planned week courses or would be more keen on Sunday courses. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 01:04:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: policeone.com!officerjqg From: officerjqg@policeone.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Oxidation Date: 4 Aug 2000 00:55:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I just picked up several pieces from a shop that was selling pieces for me to show at a local event. As I was going threw the pieces I have noticed that some of the pieces are oxidizing or dulling. I have been taking every step nessessary to ensure that it does not happen and can not figure out what it is. these are the normal steps. -cut glass -foil glass -usually sodder right after foiling. Sometimes I wait a day -Right after sodering wash piece with dish soap with a little backing soda mixed in. -Usually let dry overnight. -scrub lines with 0000 wool -Patina it -wash patina with cold water -usually dry overnight -wax with wax bought for stained glass but am switching to spray as soonas it is used up -After wax dries, scrub with towels and several types od scub brushes for about 20 minutes. -hang and enjoy My wife varies her proces alittle from mine abd her pieces do to. Some pieces are a young as two months old. Any sugestions????? P.S. I went with the English Muffle Sage green and one of the purples. They match perfect. Now I need to come up with the design. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 03:03:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: policeone.com!officerjqg From: officerjqg@policeone.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Oxidation Date: 4 Aug 2000 00:59:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I was told that my usual online e-mail program was displaying the lines to long. Hopefully this one is better. If not let me know, this one has the option of sending as HTML. I just picked up several pieces from a shop that was selling pieces for me to show at a local event. As I was going threw the pieces I have noticed that some of the pieces are oxidizing or dulling. I have been taking every step necessary to ensure that it does not happen and can not figure out what it is. these are the normal steps. -cut glass -foil glass -usually sodder right after foiling. Sometimes I wait a day -Right after sodering wash piece with dish soap with a little backing soda mixed in. -Usually let dry overnight. -scrub lines with 0000 wool -Patina it -wash patina with cold water -usually dry overnight -wax with wax bought for stained glass but am switching to spray as soon as it is used up -After wax dries, scrub with towels and several types of scub brushes for about 20 minutes. -hang and enjoy My wife varies her process a little from mine and her pieces do to. Some pieces are a young as two months old. Any suggestions????? P.S. I went with the English Muffle Sage green and one of the purples. They match perfect. Now I need to come up with the design. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 04:10:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 03:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "KSee" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Oxidation Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have inserted my response below. I too have my pieces at a gallery (sometimes too long!) and they will oxides some but I like that look and if it is kept clean it comes right back to its original look. I also give them instructions & a can of Sprayway on how to clean. In addition I have a card that is included which gives the buyer the same instructions. KSee -Right after sodering wash piece with dish soap with a little backing soda mixed in. I have always used CJ's Flux & Patina Remover. I save & use old toothbrushes. A dime size dollop goes a long way. I wet my piece first. I never soak or immerse any piece with foil/solder on it. -Usually let dry overnight. I dry immediately. I use paper towels -scrub lines with 0000 wool I only do this if I haven't patina right away and if I don't like the way the patina looks. I use Novacan Copper most of the time. I have used Jax too. -Patina it -wash patina with cold water I do the same as above -usually dry overnight same as above -wax with wax bought for stained glass but am switching to spray as soonas it is used up I use Kemp-o-Pro wax & Simichrome Polish. I use the polish on the solder only & put it on with a paper towel, a little goes quite a long way. I will put the Kemp-O-Pro on the towel & wipe it one the whole piece. It makes a haze so it is easy to see. I then use an old terry cloth towel or an old cotton hand towel to polish. I use a tooth brush too to make sure to polish out around the solder. -After wax dries, scrub with towels and several types od scub brushes for about 20 minutes. Never timed myself. KSee See Glass www.members.xoom.com/kseeglass National Capital Art Glass Guild www.ncagg.org ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 05:57:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: aol.com!Fsagg From: Fsagg@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Oxidation Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:27:16 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I use a small buffer attachment on my dremel to buff wax from areas that are hard corners, tight curves, around gems, etc. - Gives a most excellent professional finish on my patina. In the beginning I had problems with oxidation. I then paid more attention to cleaning - I scrub gently but consistently and rinse extremely well, dry immediately and thoroughly, patina immediately after pieces are 100% dry, let the patina dry on and rub it in more (depending on shade desired), wax generously, let dry thoroughly again, and buff. and I have had no problems since. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 06:10:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Glass@Bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Florida Get-together Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:35:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, About a month ago I said I would arrange a get-together for those Bungians who either live in the central Florida area or who will be visisting or those rare few who want to make a special trip. OK here it is. Place: Holiday Inn, Ocoee Florida, Corner of Hwy 50 and McGuire When: Saturday August 26th 2000 Say 5:00ish Meet in the lounge. Hope to see as many of there. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 06:15:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: officerjqg@policeone.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Oxidation Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:27:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Well here we go. I have inserted my method where different -cut glass -foil glass -usually sodder right after foiling. Sometimes I wait a day -Right after sodering wash piece with dish soap with a little backing soda mixed in. I use Neutra 5000 by Classique I just splash a little in about an inch or two of water in a small bucket and apply it with a scrub brush rinse and repeat. -Usually let dry overnight. Patina Imediately I don't even dry offthe piece unless I am going to use copper patina. If I use copper patina I will dry the piece and wax it useing Kem-O-Pro then apply the copper patina (it really make a huge difference when waxed first) then a light waxing again. -scrub lines with 0000 wool I don't use steel wool on any piece unless its to remove some patina to obtain that old world pewter look or to try to match someone elses solder in a repair. Steel wool has an oil film on it that will affect the way your patina goes on and more importantly the way it looks in about a month. -Patina it -wash patina with cold water I use the Classique Neutra 5000 here once again. -usually dry overnight Most people do try to apply thier wax too soon. it is important to make sure that the piece is completely dry befor waxing. there has been a lot of discussion about different waxes her on the Bungi list. I can only say use wht you like. -wax with wax bought for stained glass but am switching to spray as soonas it is used up -After wax dries, scrub with towels and several types od scub brushes for about 20 minutes. After buffing up with a clean dry soft towel I use a natural bristle brush to make sure I get all the excess wax out of those tiny little craks and crevases. Make sure its a natural bristel brush, the kind with the real stiff brown bristels that look like dryed up pine needles. A lott of the time what people think is oxidation is really excess wax going yucky -hang and enjoy Good luck Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 07:48:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Yoghiogheny Glass Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am trying to locate a website for Youghiogney Glass. I am planning a trip to the Pa/WVA area and would like to visit the factory. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Elsie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 08:55:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: POBox.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine BethSchneider" To: "elsie turqman" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Yoghiogheny Glass Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk www.youghioghenyglass.com Been there, done that, you will enjoy it! Nadine Nadine Beth Schneider Nadine's Folly, Ltd www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 09:03:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Yoghiogheny Glass Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/youghiogheny/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: elsie turqman To: glass Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:13 AM Subject: Yoghiogheny Glass > I am trying to locate a website for Youghiogney Glass. I am planning a > trip to the Pa/WVA area and would like to visit the factory. Any help > would be appreciated. > > Thanks Elsie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 10:00:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: POBox.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine BethSchneider" To: "elsie turqman" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Yoghiogheny Glass Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:26:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk www.youghioghenyglass.com been there, done that, you'll enjoy! But they are horrible about answering Email so call them instead! Nadine Nadine Beth Schneider Nadine's Folly, Ltd www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 10:25:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: olynet.com!mrmrsg From: "Judy Gorrell" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:38:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFFDF7.C3F18CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFFDF7.C3F18CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BFFDF7.C3F18CC0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 4 13:57:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: home.com!vlrie From: Valerie Chipman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Studio One Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:48:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --------------1DABA3F724D8FC3B4C367B3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the person looking to contact Studio One 414-764-0631 the contact person will be Judy --------------1DABA3F724D8FC3B4C367B3E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the person looking to contact Studio One
414-764-0631  the contact person will be Judy --------------1DABA3F724D8FC3B4C367B3E-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 5 04:20:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: officerjqg@policeone.com, Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Oxidation Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 08:31:30 -0300 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I live in a very humid climate. My pieces will oxidize within hours if they are not immediately cleaned, dried, patined, and waxed. I have found it is very important to wax as soon as possible. Gail in Nova Scotia officerjqg@policeone.com wrote: > I just picked up several pieces from a shop that was selling pieces for me to show at a local event. As I was going threw the pieces I have noticed that some of the pieces are oxidizing or dulling. I have been taking every step nessessary to ensure that it does not happen and can not figure out what it is. these are the normal steps. > -cut glass > -foil glass > -usually sodder right after foiling. Sometimes I wait a day > -Right after sodering wash piece with dish soap with a little backing soda mixed in. > -Usually let dry overnight. > -scrub lines with 0000 wool > -Patina it > -wash patina with cold water > -usually dry overnight > -wax with wax bought for stained glass but am switching to spray as soonas it is used up > -After wax dries, scrub with towels and several types od scub brushes for about 20 minutes. > -hang and enjoy > > My wife varies her proces alittle from mine abd her pieces do to. Some pieces are a young as two months old. Any sugestions????? > > P.S. I went with the English Muffle Sage green and one of the purples. They match perfect. Now I need to come up with the design. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 5 09:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #378 built 2000-Aug-2) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Yoghiogheny Glass Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by elsie turqman >I am trying to locate a website for Youghiogney Glass. I am planning a trip to the Pa/WVA area and would like to visit the factory. Any help would be appreciated.< http://www.Youghiogheny.com Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 5 09:54:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #379 built 2000-Aug-5) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Christie A. Wood" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yoghiogheny Glass Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:40:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Make that www.Youghioghenyglass.com Suzanne "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > > Message text written by elsie turqman > >I am trying to locate a website for Youghiogney Glass. I am planning a > trip to the Pa/WVA area and would like to visit the factory. Any help > would be appreciated.< > > http://www.Youghiogheny.com > > Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director > North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 5 18:01:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #379 built 2000-Aug-5) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Youghiogheny Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:59:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone for the information on the website. Hope to visit there week after next. Elsie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 07:31:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #382 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: horizon-research.com!liz From: "E.Hammond" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Sal Ammoniac Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:50:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000807094614.00a88c30@192.168.1.4> Precedence: bulk Hey, Two days ago I used a chunk of Sal Ammoniac (sp?) to re-tin the tip of my soldering iron. It began emitting a great deal of smoke. I aired out the room, but the ammonia smell still lingers. Should it produce a lot of smoke and are the fumes dangerous? Thanks, Lizzy Horizon Research, Inc. ph: 919-489-1725 111 Cloister Court, Suite 220 fx: 919-493-7589 Chapel Hill, NC 27514 web: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 09:01:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #383 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: NG - Fiction - Emeraldine at the Hogwhittle Celebration Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:56:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am sure many of you have heard of the great Myrtlette Hogwhittle. I will refresh your memory from the June 1999 archives: =93the cathedral in Southwest Flats was having new windows installed. They were designed by Myrtlette Hogwhittle and are generally know as the "Angles of the Sage". Some critics claim that these windows are a great example of post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism. Others complain that they can't tell the porcupines from the angels.=94 This was the master=92s final design, as she died shortly thereafter of advanced age and extreme near-sightedness. Indeed, she never saw her final work in all its glory. The Hogwhittles settled in the town of Dust (about 100 miles from Southwest Flats) in the late 1880s and soon became the preeminent artistic family in the region. In fact, many of the finest homes built around the turn of the century were known at =93Hogwhittle Homes=94, as a= ll the decoration in the home, from stenciled walls to embroidered curtains, were designed and overseen by the family. In fact, in some of the stencilling (particularly in the Duncan Baron and the Hosannah Martin homes) are the motifs that Myrtlette used to such effect in the =93Angels of the Sage=94 and =93Dusty Pokes=94 series of windows. The mo= tifs have been transformed by her great glass sensibilities, but the influence is obvious. Given the extraordinary influence the Hogwhittles have had on the nation=92s artistic community, the Dust/Southwest Flats region has hosted (for several years) THE Hogwhittle Celebration. This past years=92 celebration was an event to remember. Pierre and I attended as mere tourists, although it was rather fun to see my picture in an exhibit at the cathedral. (Taken from the newspaper archives). Since the geographic area to be covered was so large, it took a great deal of planning to get around, and riders on the shuttle buses were entertained by performers costumed as members of the Hogwhittle family. We visited the Baron and Martin houses. The Baron home had been restored to period and was magnificent. Imagine the great circular sagebrush window in the bright sunlight. The stuffed rabbit series of lamps with their molded shades. The transoms over every door that included small fossilized dinosaur teeth in with the leaded glass. An inspiration, to be sure. The Flats museum had an entire section devoted to Myrtlette=92s contributions. I know many of you have copied her inspirational =93Crows= =94 panel, but so few have seen the original in person, as it has been in a private collection for years. It was a thrill to examine the panel, so see the masterful use of black. No wonder it=92s so hard to reproduce. = I will admit to having tried it myself as a teenager. The entertainment was great fun. Bertie Hogwhittle was a choreographer. Many of his dances were reproduced by the Stompers Square Dance Club. The songs of Pyrette Hogwhittle Bottlebottom were performed by the Bottlebottom Singers. And the fireworks=85.Imagine the designs of Myrtlette done in fire, painted across the sky, ephemeral and smoky. I might suggest planning your vacation in advance for next year, as the hotels fill fast. (Meanwhile, Dorothy and John and family had to make do with Mark Twain Days in Connecticut, looking around the =93Tiffany House=94 that the Clem= ens family inhabited, viewing a small Tiffany exhibit, listening to blues performers and seeing fireworks designed by the man who did the Paris Millennial fireworks.) As always, Emeraldine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 10:09:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #384 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: "E.Hammond" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sal Ammoniac Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:51:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<4.2.2.20000807094614.00a88c30@192.168.1.4>> Precedence: bulk E.Hammond wrote: > > Hey, > > Two days ago I used a chunk of Sal Ammoniac (sp?) to re-tin the tip of my soldering iron. It began emitting a great deal of smoke. I aired out the room, but the ammonia smell still lingers. Should it produce a lot of smoke and are the fumes dangerous? > > Thanks, > Lizzy > > Horizon Research, Inc. ph: 919-489-1725 > 111 Cloister Court, Suite 220 fx: 919-493-7589 > Chapel Hill, NC 27514 web: > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Yes Lizzy, Lots of smoke ---- Don't breath it in. I've been retinning tip for some time with no ill effects ( I Think) Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 10:39:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #384 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "E.Hammond" Subject: Re: Sal Ammoniac Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 18:26:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<4.2.2.20000807094614.00a88c30@192.168.1.4>> Precedence: bulk Not dangerous, just noxious. good ventilation helps prevent the build up of the smell. Steve In message <4.2.2.20000807094614.00a88c30@192.168.1.4>, E.Hammond writes >Hey, > >Two days ago I used a chunk of Sal Ammoniac (sp?) to re-tin the tip of my >soldering iron. It began emitting a great deal of smoke. I aired out the room, >but the ammonia smell still lingers. Should it produce a lot of smoke and are >the fumes dangerous? > >Thanks, >Lizzy > >Horizon Research, Inc. ph: 919-489-1725 >111 Cloister Court, Suite 220 fx: 919-493-7589 >Chapel Hill, NC 27514 web: > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 11:42:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #384 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergy glass" To: "E.Hammond" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Sal Ammoniac Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk If you're worried about the fumes, do your re-tinning in a well ventilated area or outside. What kind of fan/exhaust system do you have for your soldering station? It should be able to handle the sal ammoniac fumes okay...if not, you might want to get a better fan or exhaust setup. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net -----Original Message----- From: E.Hammond To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:39 AM Subject: Sal Ammoniac >Hey, > >Two days ago I used a chunk of Sal Ammoniac (sp?) to re-tin the tip of my soldering iron. It began emitting a great deal of smoke. I aired out the room, but the ammonia smell still lingers. Should it produce a lot of smoke and are the fumes dangerous? > >Thanks, >Lizzy > >Horizon Research, Inc. ph: 919-489-1725 >111 Cloister Court, Suite 220 fx: 919-493-7589 >Chapel Hill, NC 27514 web: > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 13:27:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #385 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: mindspring.com!lizrob From: "E. Hammond" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Sal Ammoniac Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 16:15:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000807160913.00a80360@192.168.1.4> Precedence: bulk Thanks, everyone for the answer to my question. In response, I'll say that my ventilation system consists of a window and a fan which blows air across my workspace, sending fumes outside. It doesn't really keep the fumes away from me, just keeps them from building up. I'm working with lead-free solder so I think this setup is sufficient. If it's not, holler, please. I have not put flux on the sal ammoniac cake, but it sounds like a good idea. I'll try it. Lizzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 7 13:59:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:49:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #385 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: eth.net!sangbang From: "sangita" To: "aavkar" , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:29:25 +0530 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFFD78.C0C67E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ~Birthdays~ This is kind of cool! 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Austin Tx Jan. 26~ Jan. 27~ Jan. 28~ Jan. 29~ Jan. 30~ Jan. 31~ FEBRUARY Feb. 1~ Feb. 2~ Feb. 3~ Feb. 4~ Feb. 5~ *Jamie* from Delaware Feb. 6~ Feb. 7~ Feb. 8~ Feb. 9~ Megan Stanis~>Fox Lake, IL Feb. 10~*Stephanie*~Delaware Feb. 11~ Feb. 12~ Feb. 13~ Feb. 14~ Jamie Clifton, TN Ed. Hannibal,Mo Feb. 15~ LiZaRd Wilmington DE Feb. 16~ Feb. 17~ Feb. 18~ Feb. 19~ Maria Saugerties NY Feb. 20~ Feb. 21~ Feb. 22~ Feb. 23~ Feb. 24~ Feb. 25~ Lindsay- Rock Springs,Wy Feb. 26~ Feb. 27~ Feb. 28~ Feb. 29~ MARCH Mar. 1~ Mar. 2~ Mar. 3~ Mar. 4~Lorrie H. Sac,CA Mar. 5~ Mar. 6~'89 =A1Audrey! Phily, Pa Mar. 7~ Mar. 8~ Mar. 9~ Mar. 10~ Mar. 11~ Kyle Knight, IL, Nikhil Shah, Salem, India Mar. 12~ Mar. 13~ Mar. 14~~*~Sarah~*~ (v)~town, De Mar. 15~ Mar. 16~ Mar. 17~ Mar. 18~ Mar. 19~ Mar. 20~ Mar. 21~ Mar. 22~ R & S SNY Mar. 23~ Mar. 24~ Mar. 25~ Mar. 26~ Mar. 27~ Mar. 28~ Mar. 29~ Mar. 30~ Mar. 31~ APRIL Apr. 1~ Apr. 2~ Apr. 3~Jim A. sac CA Apr. 4~ Amber Mobley IL Apr. 5~ Apr. 6~ Apr. 7~ Apr. 8~ Apr. 9~ Apr. 10~ Apr. 11~Raven V. Sac, CA Apr. 12~ Apr. 13~Stephanie S.~>1985~>Fox Lake, IL Apr. 14~Bryce Holman IL Apr. 15~ Apr. 16~Megan Austin, Tx Apr. 17~ Apr. 18~Will - Marion, IL (1948) Apr. 19~ Apr. 20~ Y *~*~*~'85 - CHANTELL G., IL.~*~*~* Y Apr. 21~ Jessica Blythe - Mt.Carmel, Il. Apr. 22~ Apr. 23~ Apr. 24~ Apr. 25~Caytee O'Neill, IL Apr. 26~ Shirley - Corpus Christi, Tx. 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~Birthdays~

This is kind of cool!  Out of all of the = billions=20 of people that live   in
the world, there has got to be = somebody=20 born on each date of the year.  To
try to accomplish this task = of=20 seeing if we can fill the      calendar up =
with a=20 birthday on every day of the year, add your first name and your city =
and=20 state next to your birth date to the list below.
Then send this list = to all=20 of your friends, plus that person who sent
it to you!  Let's see = if we=20 can do it!!!!  (Remember, copying and pasting
this to a NEW = Email will=20 keep it clean and make it easier to read than just
forwarding=20 it.)

~Thanks and Happy=20 Birthday!


        =20 JANUARY

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        Apr. 20~ Y *~*~*~'85 - = CHANTELL G., IL.~*~*~* Y
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        Jun.=20 27~Curty~>Wisconsin,  *Heather* Mt.Carmel=20 IL
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        Jul.=20 3~Jason~>Wisconsin
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        Jul. 6~*Kristin* this = is the=20 best  day! he he he
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        Sep. 28~Sheena = Idelson,=20 PA
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        Sep. 30~.Kelley, = Austin,=20 TX  : )

      =20 OCTOBER

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        Oct. 3~Allie S.*Round = Rock,=20 TX
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        Oct. 29~Jessica=20 Hazlett-IL
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        Oct. 31~Karen-Elam, = PA, Maria,=20 PA

      =20 NOVEMBER

        Nov. 1~=20 Sarah-Wilmington, DE
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     =20 DECEMBER

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       Dec. 6~*~*~* Tiffany from=20 Illinois!!!! *~*~*
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       Dec.=20 21~VeronicaRae    =20 Tx
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       Dec.=20 27~Cindy-El Paso, Tx
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       Dec. 30~brett- mt.carmel=20 illinois
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFFD78.C0C67E40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 8 07:30:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #385 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: looking for Robert W. McInnes Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:06:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk If anyone has his email, address, or phone number, please send it to me in a private email. The address & phone number I have for him are all out-of-service, and I'm trying to get him his IGGA 2000 Sources Guide. Any help will be appreciated. Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 8 11:31:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #385 built 2000-Aug-7) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "E. Hammond" Subject: Re: Sal Ammoniac Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:44:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<4.2.2.20000807160913.00a80360@192.168.1.4>> Precedence: bulk I use my block by rubbing the solder bit on the block until it begins to smoke, then use brass wire brush to clean bit, put the bit back on the block until it smokes and then add a few drops of solder to the bit while it is in contact with the block. If the bit is smoothly covered with solder it is clean. If there are black spots, I use the bras wire brush again and repeat until I get a well tinned solder bit. I do not put flux on the block (As I don't know if there will be a chemical reaction between the sal ammoniac and the flux. So many worried about the effects of traditional methods, but doing things to create possible new hazards) Steve In message <4.2.2.20000807160913.00a80360@192.168.1.4>, E. Hammond writes >Thanks, everyone for the answer to my question. > >In response, I'll say that my ventilation system consists of a window and a fan >which blows air across my workspace, sending fumes outside. It doesn't really >keep the fumes away from me, just keeps them from building up. I'm working with >lead-free solder so I think this setup is sufficient. If it's not, holler, >please. > >I have not put flux on the sal ammoniac cake, but it sounds like a good idea. >I'll try it. > >Lizzy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 8 16:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #386 built 2000-Aug-8) X-Path: ntlworld.com!kaylawrence From: "kaylawrence" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NEW GLASS PAINTING/FUSING COURSE - SOUTH WALES Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:06:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk There's a new 30 week course on Glass painting and fusing starting in Pontypool (Gwent) in September. It's scheduled for Tuesday mornings (10 am - 12.noon) which might prove inconvenient for those with a 9 - 5 work commitment. Starting date is 12/09/2000 and fees are 1 UK pound per hour (max.), or free if in receipt of benefits The tutor is Eugene Nowakowsky who runs a glass studio at the Model House in Llantrisant as well as teaching at other venues. For more info. contact:: The Settlement, Trosnant Street, Pontypool. Tel: 01495 762266 or ask me. I've no connection - I just want to spread the word to help ensure it runs. The minimum number of students needed to make the course viable is 8 and I've got my name on the list already. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 8 20:47:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #386 built 2000-Aug-8) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Brass Came Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:25:55 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello! Has anyone ever used the flexible brass came that is advertised in some catalogs? It usually is shown with a piece of the brass came wrapped around a quarter to emphasize it's flexibility. I have a student that wants to make a fanlight with bevels, and brass. No straight lines. Thanks in advance, Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 8 22:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:53:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #386 built 2000-Aug-8) X-Path: attcanada.net!tuka From: To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Brass Came Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I too would appreciate answers on this one Shiela tuka@attcanada.net Hello! Has anyone ever used the flexible brass came that is advertised in some catalogs? It usually is shown with a piece of the brass came wrapped around a quarter to emphasize it's flexibility. I have a student that wants to make a fanlight with bevels, and brass. No straight lines. Thanks in advance, Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 01:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #386 built 2000-Aug-8) X-Path: policeone.com!officerjqg From: officerjqg@policeone.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Shows Date: 9 Aug 2000 00:58:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I went to the Denver show on Sunday (Thanks Candy for informing me). It was not as big as I expected but I got some new ideas and got motivated to do some "Holiday" pieces. I also realized that I would like to go to a trade show like the one everyone wrote about in Vegas. Is the Vegas one a yearly thing and if not are there any in or around Colorado coming up. James ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 04:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #386 built 2000-Aug-8) X-Path: aol.com!Wskyrnr21 From: Wskyrnr21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: odessy ball chain Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:17:42 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am in the process of building an Odessy project which requires the attachment of the "ball chain" to the rim. Can someone tell me how to tin and attach the ball chain to the rim? Thanks...............................Kevin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 08:01:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "Jill Medlyn" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Shows Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:32:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi James, Yes it's a yearly event and for more info http://www.glasscraftexpo.com/index2.html Hope to see you there, Jill >I went to the Denver show on Sunday (Thanks Candy for informing me). It was not as big as I expected but I got some new ideas and got motivated to do some "Holiday" pieces. I also realized that I would like to go to a trade show like the one everyone wrote about in Vegas. Is the Vegas one a yearly thing and if not are there any in or around Colorado coming up. > > > >James > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 08:32:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Brass Came Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:58:24 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/8/00 11:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kauriee@aol.com writes: << Has anyone ever used the flexible brass came that is advertised in some catalogs? It usually is shown with a piece of the brass came wrapped around a quarter to emphasize it's flexibility. I have a student that wants to make a fanlight with bevels, and brass. No straight lines. >> Hi Kauriee, I have made a number of panels with that brass-covered lead came. It is more difficult to work with, as the brass can still crimp on tight curves, but not impossible. I usually wrap a length of the came around a small can or jar so it is a coil, and then fit the "already-curved" came around the glass as I normally would lead anything else. Work carefully, either tightening up the curve or pulling it looser to fit the glass pieces, being careful not to cause a "bend", which will crimp. The smaller the curve, the more difficult... forget that quarter! It is definitely easier to use this metal with straight lines... or convince the customer to go with the traditional look of beautifully polished lead, instead! (which is what I do...) Good luck, Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 10:43:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'hotglass@list.bb.net'" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: WTB: Glass kiln Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:28:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk looking to buy my first kiln and digital controller. not sure if i'm going to stick with it, so am looking for a used one. if you have a smallish one (15" wide and 10" deep minimum size) that's just kicking around, please let me know. i've been watching on various auction sites, but if you know of anyplace that sells used kilns on the net, i'd also appreciate hearing about it. thanks, charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 11:00:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Glass Vision 2000 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:47:35 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Would like to go to glass vision 2000 at Warner Crivellero but they are sold out. I understand that they are sold out as far as classes but they won't even let you purchase the sale items. I would pay the entry fee just to get the specials but guess they can't do that. Or am I understanding this wrong? Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 12:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: satyamonline.com!sunil_99 From: sunil_99@satyamonline.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Hai Date: 9 Aug 2000 11:43:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hai , I want u to send the mailing id's list to me so that i can make friendship with new people. __________________________________________________ Get your free email at http://www.satyamonline.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 12:16:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: WTB: Glass kiln Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:54:35 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/9/00 10:46:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Charlie_Spitzer@stratus.com writes: > looking to buy my first kiln and digital controller. Not sure if I'm going > to stick with it, so am looking for a used one. if you have a smallish one > (15" wide and 10" deep minimum size) that's just kicking around, please let > me know. > Change that to 9" deep and there are a lot more potential kilns. Still it will be very good luck that finds one of these treasures. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 17:31:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: brass came and a new question Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I, too, have the brass coated lead came, and have not used it on a large piece yet. Do I need to use putty and whiting on it? Or will this destroy the brass coating with the brushing, etc.? ===== Thank you, Barbara Elmore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 9 18:35:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: aol.com!Shecharlie From: Shecharlie@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: (no subject) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:19:48 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'm thinking of investing in a came saw. Any suggestions as to what you consider the best. Thanks sheila shecharlie@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 10 00:20:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: tinyworld.co.uk!lily-b From: "lily-b" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Kilns Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:54:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C002A0.27D27220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Re Charlie's enquiry about buying kilns. I presume you are US based? = Just in case you're not, the place below is worth checking out. 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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C002A0.27D27220-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 10 05:59:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: aol.com!Depdee70 From: Depdee70@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: glass paper wt. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:38:32 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi would like to know how to make a glass paper wt.. can not fine any books on this..thanks a lot and have a good day...Dee depdee70@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 10 08:00:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: brass came and a new question Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:55:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by barbara elmore >Do I need to use putty and whiting on it? Or will this destroy the brass coating with the brushing, etc.?< Yes, you need to putty & whiting. No, it will not hurt the brass. If you are going to paint the solder joints, paint them after you've done the puttying & whiting. Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 10 14:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Depdee70@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass paper wt. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:21:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Depdee70@aol.com wrote: > > Hi would like to know how to make a glass paper wt.. can not fine any books > on this..thanks a lot and have a good day...Dee depdee70@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Try looking up Paul Stankard (he IS the man) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 10 15:19:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Depdee70@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass paper wt. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Dee: Go to Ed Hoy's web pate. I don't have the address but you can find it through your search engine. He has instructions listed on how to make glass paperweights using a special luminax(?) mold and a light bulb. Really interesting. Peggy On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 Depdee70@aol.com wrote: > Hi would like to know how to make a glass paper wt.. can not fine any books > on this..thanks a lot and have a good day...Dee depdee70@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 10 17:54:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass paper wt. Date: Thu, 10 Aug 00 18:30:24 Message-ID: <200008110033.SAA14012@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: >Dee: Go to Ed Hoy's web pate. I don't have the address but you can find >it through your search engine. He has instructions listed on how to make >glass paperweights using a special luminax(?) mold and a light bulb. >Really interesting. Peggy Peggy, I just went there.. they have instructions on how to do the fused bracelets, no paperweights, nor the mold either. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 11 07:31:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #387 built 2000-Aug-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA inquiry: Toots Zynsky Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk If anyone has information about the glass artist, Toots Zynsky, would they please contact Shirley Isaacs at misaacs@cwcom.net? Thanks. Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "mike isaacs", INTERNET:misaacs@cwcom.net Date: 08/10/2000 2:38 PM = I am trying to find some information about the technique of "fused and slumped" glass. The artist I am interested in is Toots Zynsky. Many Thanks. 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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 11 20:31:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #389 built 2000-Aug-11) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Candy Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: glass paper wt. Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008110033.SAA14012@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk Candy: Just answered Carol and gave the steps I copies several months ago. Sorry I led you on a wild goose chase. Peggy On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Candy wrote: > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > >Dee: Go to Ed Hoy's web pate. I don't have the address but you can find > >it through your search engine. He has instructions listed on how to make > >glass paperweights using a special luminax(?) mold and a light bulb. > >Really interesting. Peggy > > Peggy, > > I just went there.. they have instructions on how to do the fused bracelets, no > paperweights, nor the mold either. > > Candy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 11 21:03:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #389 built 2000-Aug-11) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: cecnralph To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: suspicious Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk I'm not opening any thing like ALL MEMBERS MUST READ until it comes with a From = Bungi. Is it on the up and up or just more spam? Angelfire is a freebe mail thing and cashmaker sounds kinda spammy to me. - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 11 21:22:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:16:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #389 built 2000-Aug-11) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: cecnralph@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: suspicious Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:06:53 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/11/00 9:04:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cecnralph@home.com writes: > I'm not opening any thing like ALL MEMBERS MUST READ until it comes with > a From = Bungi. Is it on the up and up or just more spam? > > Angelfire is a freebe mail thing and cashmaker sounds kinda spammy to > me. - Cec I deleted it and recommend that others do the same. It is clearly nothing originated by bungi. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 11 21:56:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #389 built 2000-Aug-11) X-Path: jps.net!bitsie From: Ken&Geneva Pepper To: cecnralph Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: suspicious Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:05:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Nov4.658.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Bungie has been hit by spam for a loooonng time. I trashed the danged thing! Geneva cecnralph wrote: > > I'm not opening any thing like ALL MEMBERS MUST READ until it comes with > a From = Bungi. Is it on the up and up or just more spam? > > Angelfire is a freebe mail thing and cashmaker sounds kinda spammy to > me. - Cec > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 00:01:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #389 built 2000-Aug-11) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Candy" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: glass paper wt. Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008110033.SAA14012@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk Ed Hoy has taken down the page that described the fused paperweight and replaced it with the page on the bracelet. Basically, the process involved buying a regular light bulb, applying a thin coating of Luminar 6 to the outside of the bulb, letting it dry, then removing the stem of the bulb. Once that is done, you fill the bulb with glass frit and fire to about 1550, soak for about half an hour, then anneal and cool (slowly, slowly). You can do the same thing by encasing a bulb in a plaster/silica mixture. I've also seen a mold made from vitreous clay. What I haven't seen is a fused paperweight that was much to look at. Most are a bit cloudy and don't look anything like the paperweights that are made using a furnace of glory hole. That process is quite different, but basically it involves the following steps: 1. Gather a blob of glass on a punty (the long rod that glassblowers use) and roll it in frit. 2. Reheat the glass and melt in the frit. (The frit color becomes the base color for the paperweight.) Block the glass (i.e., shape it) and chill a bit. 3. Gather more glass. Pick-up another color. You can manipulate the color, roll it around, poke air holes, whatever. There are lots of techniques. 4. Chill, then gather again. 5. Keep this up for a while until you get the size (more or less) you want. Box it (that is, shape it). When you're done anneal and cool. As I mentioned, this is only a really basic listing of the steps (more or less). There are lots and lots of variations and special techniques to get particular effects. Someone could write a very lengthy book on how to make paperweights, but I've never seen one. Hope this helps a bit. Brad Walker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Candy To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:30 PM Subject: Re: glass paper wt. > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > >Dee: Go to Ed Hoy's web pate. I don't have the address but you can find > >it through your search engine. He has instructions listed on how to make > >glass paperweights using a special luminax(?) mold and a light bulb. > >Really interesting. Peggy > > Peggy, > > I just went there.. they have instructions on how to do the fused bracelets, no > paperweights, nor the mold either. > > Candy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 07:55:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #389 built 2000-Aug-11) X-Path: aol.com!Preachome From: Preachome@aol.com To: Bobfuses@aol.com, cecnralph@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: suspicious Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:28:30 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk All, Please do not open the mail, All Members Must Read. The CLICK HERE is an executable file that is quite likely a virus. Take care, Bill and Andrea Tucker His Glory In Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 14:57:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!lizrob From: "E. Hammond" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Square Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <200008122059.QAA29454@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Bungi, I'm having a very hard time measuring my pieces accurately. For example, I just tried to fit a 12 x 30 panel into a cabinet door and it was a bit too wide and not completely square. What kind of tools do you use to measure and to make sure your piece is square (if it's supposed to be)? Does the Morton's glass cutting system have anything to do with this? Thanks, Lizzy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 16:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Square Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000812190208.00d56318@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk use a ruler, precut a piece of cardboard to fit the opening...very few openings are truly square...Morton has nothing to do with anything except retail sales as far as I know! Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 16:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Dee Thompson" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Square Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.32.20000812190208.00d56318@pop.erols.com>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk MORTON is one of the few tools that allow REPETIVE and ACCURATE cutting of straight lines, stripping and geometric shapes.......... HOWEVER, it is ONLY as good as the time you take to set it up and maintain the same method of cutting. One can 100's of pieces with less than a "hair" difference in size of each.....seems small a "hair", huh, line up 36 pieces to form a grid for a lamp and see where the last pieces goes......BIG, HUH. H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 18:01:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: aol.com!KendraPom From: KendraPom@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: I am a beginner Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:56:20 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks Kim here, I am new to stainglassing and love it so far. This is my delema....I need any kind of advice on a workbench. Or work area that will fit in a corner. I have a "L" shape area to work with. Just cannot go outside the "L" shape. The short part is 2 ft and the long part is about 5 ft. (it is the space in the basement that a bathroom should be, the tub area) This work area will only be for a year, until I have my own house. Having 3 roomates makes areas small. I have the wood and the tools. . Just need anyones advice. I don't like doing stainglassing on a TV tray in my bedroom. It isn't easy. Thanks very much Kim Breyette ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 18:31:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!lizrob From: "E. Hammond" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Square Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:02:31 -0400 Message-ID: <200008130004.UAA32036@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> References: <<200008122059.QAA29454@maynard.mail.mindspring.net>> Precedence: bulk Thanks, everyone, for responding to my question. My frustration has been assuaged. I'll try the cardboard method next time. Lizzy At 04:57 PM 08/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Bungi, > >I'm having a very hard time measuring my pieces accurately. For example, I >just tried to fit a 12 x 30 panel into a cabinet door and it was a bit too >wide and not completely square. What kind of tools do you use to measure >and to make sure your piece is square (if it's supposed to be)? Does the >Morton's glass cutting system have anything to do with this? > >Thanks, >Lizzy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 21:01:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: KendraPom@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: I am a beginner Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:58:20 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/12/00 6:01:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KendraPom@aol.com writes: > Hi folks Kim here, I am new to stainglassing and love it so far. > This is my delema....I need any kind of advice on a workbench. Or work area > that will fit in a corner. I have a "L" shape area to work with. Just > cannot go outside the "L" shape. The short part is 2 ft and the long part is > > about 5 ft. Buy a 2' X 7' solid core door and have the hardware store cut it to 5'. Cost about US$25.00. Use whatever to set it on. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 12 21:43:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "E. Hammond" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Square Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008122059.QAA29454@maynard.mail.mindspring.net>> Precedence: bulk generally if you measure accross the diagnals you can check for squareness. if the numbers match up, it's square. othewise a 12"x15" framing square would work... but it's not just square you have to worry about. it's also important to know if there is any bow in the wood or not. it may not fit in the sides (always leave a little space around the project). ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: E. Hammond [mailto:lizrob@mindspring.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 4:58 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Square > > > Hi Bungi, > > I'm having a very hard time measuring my pieces accurately. For example, I > just tried to fit a 12 x 30 panel into a cabinet door and it was a bit too > wide and not completely square. What kind of tools do you use to measure > and to make sure your piece is square (if it's supposed to be)? Does the > Morton's glass cutting system have anything to do with this? > > Thanks, > Lizzy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 13 06:31:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: aol.com!Wskyrnr21 From: Wskyrnr21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: ball-chain Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:19:46 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am working with the ball-chain attachment for a lampshade. I am using a brass ball-chain from Warner-Criv. I have used Action Tin to tin the ball-chain. I wiped dry and patinaed in Black using Novocan patina. I watched it set up then returned in the morning the ball-chain had turned green and wiped off exposing the brass once again! What's up with this? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 13 10:19:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 10:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "E. Hammond" Subject: Re: Square Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 08:26:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008122059.QAA29454@maynard.mail.mindspring.net>> Precedence: bulk Lizzy, in addition to the tips about measuring the diagonals, and taking a template, I would suggest three other things. Having determined the dimensions, I take away 5mm (just under a quarter of an inch) from the overall size. This allows a margin for bowing in the frame and makes fitting much easier. Build the panel in an "L" shaped frame. As it is completed, put the other two sides on form the rectangle, making sure the corners are right angles, or correct angles for the opening. Also check the measurements at this point (top and bottom, left and right, and diagonals) and make any adjustments. Only solder when all these dimensions are correct. Use lead came on perimeter. This does not weaken the panel, as the beading covers the lead, and holds the panel in place. But the lead can be trimmed to reduce the panel to the opening size if necessary, and can take up any unevenness in the opening. The general message is to ensure your measurements are accurate, and that you allow a tolerance (one way or another) to make the fitting easier. Steve In message <200008122059.QAA29454@maynard.mail.mindspring.net>, E. Hammond writes >Hi Bungi, > >I'm having a very hard time measuring my pieces accurately. For example, I >just tried to fit a 12 x 30 panel into a cabinet door and it was a bit too >wide and not completely square. What kind of tools do you use to measure >and to make sure your piece is square (if it's supposed to be)? Does the >Morton's glass cutting system have anything to do with this? > >Thanks, >Lizzy > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 13 11:22:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:12:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: cecnralph To: Wskyrnr21@aol.com, Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: ball-chain (patina) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studio Precedence: bulk As I understand it, brass patinas much faster than lead, so the acid penetrates so thoroughly that it pretty much makes the layer of color flakey or porous, so it simply brushes off. I suggest you clean it off thoroughly again, wipe it with 91% or higher alcohol, reapply the patina and as soon as you get a small area the right color, use a sponge and water to wipe the area, dry with paper towel, then go to the next, wiping the patina acid mix off at each area you work on. That will help prevent the fluid from over etching. I've just been through your problem, so this advice is from bitter experience. Steel wool it good (not the kind with soap in it - use 0000 weight), wash and rinse and dry, then wipe it with 91% alcohol. Use a bit of sponge - about the size you'd use on a grinder, and dip it in a tiny amount of patina fluid. (I bought a bunch of those tiny little cups used for administering medicine - just the right size to hold flux and other chemicals, and you can rinse and throw them away.) After I got the came to look good, I needed a bronze patina on brass chain and all I could find was bright brass in a chain heavy enough to bear the weight. I figured I'd have no chance, considering how hard I found it to patina the came. I had two chains. One I soaked in a small baby food jar overnight to get the right look. The other was overpatinaed within 3 minutes, so I spent the next thirty with the jar full of chain, water and patina & flux remover - (CJ's and then Neutra) shaking and shaking. Probably should have thrown in a couple marbles. Both turned out perfect. I was amazed. - Cec Wskyrnr21@aol.com wrote: > I am working with the ball-chain attachment for a lampshade. I am using a > brass ball-chain from Warner-Criv. I have used Action Tin to tin the > ball-chain. I wiped dry and patinaed in Black using Novocan patina. I > watched it set up then returned in the morning the ball-chain had turned > green and wiped off exposing the brass once again! What's up with this? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 13 11:49:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #390 built 2000-Aug-12) X-Path: aol.com!Sugturluuq From: Sugturluuq@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Out of State Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:34:21 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I will be going out of state and away from my computer for a couple of months starting September 22 and ending November 18th. Could you please stop sending me Bungi messages during that time? Thank you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 13 15:02:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #391 built 2000-Aug-13) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Wskyrnr21@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ball-chain Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk After applying patina to ball chain spray it with laquer! Ive tried and tried and tried...and it's the only that that works for me. Suzanne Wskyrnr21@aol.com wrote: > > I am working with the ball-chain attachment for a lampshade. I am using a > brass ball-chain from Warner-Criv. I have used Action Tin to tin the > ball-chain. I wiped dry and patinaed in Black using Novocan patina. I > watched it set up then returned in the morning the ball-chain had turned > green and wiped off exposing the brass once again! What's up with this? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 13 16:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #391 built 2000-Aug-13) X-Path: usa.net!9090mm From: Bedrock Used Book Search <9090mm@usa.net> To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Loooking For A Used Book? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18161.236751.77796620 glass@intrastar.net> Precedence: bulk Looking for a book - just name it and we will try our best find it! Send the author or title and/or any other details of your requirements together with your physical address(SNAIL MAIL ONLY PLEASE) BEDROCK BOOK SEARCH 4724 MURPHY ROAD #25 FRANKLIN, NORTH CAROLINA 28734 U.S.A. We will reply by email as soon as we find your book. We take the hard work out of book hunting. Bedrock books your best bet to get that Book! Please limit to 2 books per request unless it is a series or duplicates of the same book. Thank you Bedrock Book Search David Hartfeild (Research Director) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 14 05:58:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #391 built 2000-Aug-13) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: "E. Hammond" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Square Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008122059.QAA29454@maynard.mail.mindspring.net>> Precedence: bulk Hey Lizzy, Well the only tool you really need for making those panels square is a good tape measure. Make sure you check the measurement caddy corner accross the piece (from upper left to lower right) then check the measurement caddy corner (from upper right to lower left) If the measurement is the same the piece is square. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 14 09:28:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #391 built 2000-Aug-13) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: pls remove from list Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove dany@city-net.com from your list. I haven't read any of the messages in over a year. I'll be back as soon as time allows... Dany ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 15 12:02:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #393 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: aol.com!GlasWiz From: GlasWiz@aol.com To: x96dirks@wmich.edu, x91obrien7@wmich.edu, Relf@aol.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Testament Jones Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:37:38 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Part boxcar teacher, part vagabond troubadour, Testament Jones was first, last and always a seeker of truth. Needing the comfort of a straight and narrow path through this world, he walked the shiny steel rails of the Iron Horse. Along the way, he found his own awakening in the eyes of his fellow pilgrims and in the strings of his beat-up old guitar. The songs he sang delivered a message of hope to the quiet corners of soup kitchens and drifted on the smoke of a thousand hobo campfires. Decades later, another seeker of truth walked along those rails and heard them whisper of a singing preacher who'd passed this way before. Suddenly, the title for his next album hit him like a freight train: "Testament Jones- On The Way Home." Singer/songwriter Gil Reynolds reaches for a brighter light in the seductive grooves of "Testament Jones- On The Way Home" a new collection of songs which he'll be performing Friday, September 15 th at 5:00 PM at Music Millennium. The Folk/Pop sound of "testament jONES" is confidently breaking new ground, delivering an uplifting message driven by a serious downbeat. The new CD contains 11 original works by producer / singer / songwriter Gil Reynolds from Newberg, Oregon. Based in the Willamette Valley for the last 30 years, Reynolds is a multi-instrumentalist who has entertained audiences from Florida to L.A, Nashville to Las Vegas. Joining Reynolds for this in-store performance are drummer Jayson Foidel, bass player Jared Hermens and Rich Layton on harmonica. The music of "On The Way Home" is about human issues and the sometimes deep challenges we are all faced with on a daily basis. "I believe in songs that communicate, that say something. Some have called my music 'too intelligent' for mainstream audiences, but I disagree. The concepts are universal. Like Testament Jones, there's a little bit of the teacher in me. But as long as a songwriter is dealing with real issues, there will always be people that can connect and relate to what that writer has to say." Reynolds adds," From my point of view, when I'm only seeing obstacles, I've have lost sight of my goals. My goal here is to transcend all of the labels, to take my music to that level where everyone connects, and you get those nice little warm chills up the back of your spine. When that happens, I feel like Testament Jones might be right there on-stage with me. Be sure to mark your calendars for Sept 15th at 5:00 pm - Testament Jones (that's me and some friends from LEC) will be performing LIVE at Music Millennium - would love to see you all there. Gil Reynolds PS "I like what is in work - the chance to find yourself. Your own reality, for yourself, not for others. What no other can ever know." (Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness) CHECK OUT THE TESTAMNET JONES WEB SITE AT www.testamentjones.com/ OR PICK UP A COPY OF THIS GREAT CD AT amazon.com Here is what people are saying about "testament jONES"..... Alan Peterson - Songwriter, recording artist "Love the CD. It sounds both familiar and brand new. It feels like home to me." Kate Carroll deGutes - Author, Artists Way Instructor "Testament Jones Rocks. After one listen through I was whistling the tunes. It literally never leaves the CD player." Jennifer Lopez - Actress, Musician "How did you get past security?" Scott Hiebick- Programmer WYCE, Grand Rapids The CD sounds great! I really enjoyed the variety of influences (folk, rock, jazz, reggae, shuffle, etc.) from song to song. It's also nice to hear someone have the guts to put a bunch of positive lyrics out there... nice going! Nancy Harris Singer/ Song Writer I've really been enjoying your creation! A couple of mornings I started the day with "Let Your Love Rain Down" and it kinda worked like a positive mantra for the whole day. And the first time I heard it, I just had to start singing along with a higher harmony. It was irresistible! I was delighted with the spiritual underpinnings of your music. "Give it a listen ... bet you'll like it" t. jONES ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 15 12:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #393 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Need artist involved with Penn. Art Fest. Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 05:22:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Stained Glass Artists Precedence: bulk Hi all, I'm trying to locate an unnamed artist who sold mirrors with stained glass frames at the Pennsylvania Arts Festival in 1998. If you remember this artist please let me know. Thanks Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 15 12:33:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #393 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: aol.com!GlasWiz From: GlasWiz@aol.com To: x96dirks@wmich.edu, x91obrien7@wmich.edu, Relf@aol.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Testament Jones Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:41:53 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Part boxcar teacher, part vagabond troubadour, Testament Jones was first, last and always a seeker of truth. Needing the comfort of a straight and narrow path through this world, he walked the shiny steel rails of the Iron Horse. Along the way, he found his own awakening in the eyes of his fellow pilgrims and in the strings of his beat-up old guitar. The songs he sang delivered a message of hope to the quiet corners of soup kitchens and drifted on the smoke of a thousand hobo campfires. Decades later, another seeker of truth walked along those rails and heard them whisper of a singing preacher who'd passed this way before. Suddenly, the title for his next album hit him like a freight train: "Testament Jones- On The Way Home." Singer/songwriter Gil Reynolds reaches for a brighter light in the seductive grooves of "Testament Jones- On The Way Home" a new collection of songs which he'll be performing Friday, September 15 th at 5:00 PM at Music Millennium. The Folk/Pop sound of "testament jONES" is confidently breaking new ground, delivering an uplifting message driven by a serious downbeat. The new CD contains 11 original works by producer / singer / songwriter Gil Reynolds from Newberg, Oregon. Based in the Willamette Valley for the last 30 years, Reynolds is a multi-instrumentalist who has entertained audiences from Florida to L.A, Nashville to Las Vegas. Joining Reynolds for this in-store performance are drummer Jayson Foidel, bass player Jared Hermens and Rich Layton on harmonica. The music of "On The Way Home" is about human issues and the sometimes deep challenges we are all faced with on a daily basis. "I believe in songs that communicate, that say something. Some have called my music 'too intelligent' for mainstream audiences, but I disagree. The concepts are universal. Like Testament Jones, there's a little bit of the teacher in me. But as long as a songwriter is dealing with real issues, there will always be people that can connect and relate to what that writer has to say." Reynolds adds," From my point of view, when I'm only seeing obstacles, I've have lost sight of my goals. My goal here is to transcend all of the labels, to take my music to that level where everyone connects, and you get those nice little warm chills up the back of your spine. When that happens, I feel like Testament Jones might be right there on-stage with me. Be sure to mark your calendars for Sept 15th at 5:00 pm - Testament Jones (that's me and some friends from LEC) will be performing LIVE at Music Millennium - would love to see you all there. Gil Reynolds PS "I like what is in work - the chance to find yourself. Your own reality, for yourself, not for others. What no other can ever know." (Joseph Conrad, Heart of Darkness) CHECK OUT THE TESTAMNET JONES WEB SITE AT www.testamentjones.com/ OR PICK UP A COPY OF THIS GREAT CD AT amazon.com Here is what people are saying about "testament jONES"..... Alan Peterson - Songwriter, recording artist "Love the CD. It sounds both familiar and brand new. It feels like home to me." Kate Carroll deGutes - Author, Artists Way Instructor "Testament Jones Rocks. After one listen through I was whistling the tunes. It literally never leaves the CD player." Jennifer Lopez - Actress, Musician "How did you get past security?" Scott Hiebick- Programmer WYCE, Grand Rapids The CD sounds great! I really enjoyed the variety of influences (folk, rock, jazz, reggae, shuffle, etc.) from song to song. It's also nice to hear someone have the guts to put a bunch of positive lyrics out there... nice going! Nancy Harris Singer/ Song Writer I've really been enjoying your creation! A couple of mornings I started the day with "Let Your Love Rain Down" and it kinda worked like a positive mantra for the whole day. And the first time I heard it, I just had to start singing along with a higher harmony. It was irresistible! I was delighted with the spiritual underpinnings of your music. "Give it a listen ... bet you'll like it" t. jONES ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 15 13:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #393 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: KendraPom@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: I am a beginner Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Kim: At Home Base there is a storage shelf that is 2' x 4'. For a workbench to fit in the area you described, this would be perfect. It has adjustable shelves and you can position them at whatever height you wanted. Actually one storage shelf would make two workbenches. They cost about $90 so if you know of someone to go in with you, this would be an ideal way to get a workbench. Then I would suggest that you get a 2'4' board to go over it to keep your shelf clean as you flux and solder on it. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 15 16:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #393 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: aol.com!GDANE3 From: GDANE3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Stained Glass Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:58:49 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, A suggestion was made that I make this request to your group and maybe someone would be able to help. Cocker Spaniel Rescue of New England is holding it's annual fundraising auction on October 15th to help raise much needed funds to assist with the medical needs, which are many, of the cockers that come into our program. I was wondering if any of you might consider donating one of your beautiful Pieces to help with our fundraising efforts? I know that someone would make a wonderful donation to own one of your Pieces and the money raised goes directly "to the dogs!" We are a nonprofit 501 (c)(3) organization and your donation is entirely tax deductible. Thank you in advance for any donation that you might be able to make. Christine Eddy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 06:38:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #396 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Central FL Get-together Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:04:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello fellow bungians, This ought to be a real blast, Can't wait to meet y'all. Don't forget Saturday August 26th 5:00pm ish. Holiday Inn Ocoee If anyone needs directions let me know. Wahooooooooo. Skip ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 06:52:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 06:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #396 built 2000-Aug-15) X-Path: tmlp.com!mlbgjb From: "Marylou" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: hello Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:46:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C00702.4CFF4260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello all - my name's marylou and i'm from massachusetts.=20 i've been doing stained glass for almost a year, mostly small pieces.=20 i'm a stay at home mom of two children, a girl 3 and a boy 2. i look forward to hearing from you all. marylou ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C00702.4CFF4260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello all -
 
my name's marylou and i'm from massachusetts. =
 
i've been doing stained glass for almost a year, = mostly small=20 pieces.
 
i'm a stay at home mom of two children, a girl 3 and = a boy=20 2.
 
i look forward to hearing from you all.
 
marylou
------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C00702.4CFF4260-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 12:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Sand Blasting and spray painting Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:23:51 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am sand blasting a pattern on back of a mirror and would like to paint it using 3 different colors. I have a small spray gun, Can you tell me how to go about this? Thanks for your help. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 13:30:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: aol.com!DebiH44 From: DebiH44@aol.com To: mlbgjb@tmlp.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: hello Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:02:26 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello and welcome. The people are friendly here and will answer any questions that you might have. Be prepared to learn alot & make new friends. Debi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 13:39:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Remove Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk please remove me from this list temporarly. Thank you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 15:45:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: ARTIZ01@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Sand Blasting and spray painting Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:24:10 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/16/00 12:10:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ARTIZ01@aol.com writes: > I am sand blasting a pattern on back of a mirror and would like to paint it > using 3 different colors. I have a small spray gun, Can you tell me how > to go about this? Thanks for your help. Just remove the resist after blasting, clean very well and cover up/uncover the areas you wish to spray paint. Cheers, Bob in 92026 Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 16:16:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: hotmail.com!conniescreations From: "Connie's Creations" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Looking for Spectrum limited edition postcard Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:51:38 PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am looking for one of the limited edition postcards from Spectrum that is of a man going through a door. Spectrum no longer has any of these. Does anybody have one or could they scan one and send it to me as a jpeg or do they know where I could get one possibly? Connie Bartel conniescreations@hotmail.com blueheron59@email.msn.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 16:30:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: ARTIZ01@aol.com Subject: Re: Sand Blasting and spray painting Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:37:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If you are using opaque paints, Bob, you only need to mask off the area you don't want to paint for the first colour. Then on subsequent colours, the already painted areas will not need a mask, only the ones to get other colours. Start off with the darkest or most intense colours first. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, ARTIZ01@aol.com writes >I am sand blasting a pattern on back of a mirror and would like to paint it >using 3 different colors. I have a small spray gun, Can you tell me how to >go about this? >Thanks for your help. >Bob >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 18:17:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #398 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: hotmail.com!conniescreations From: "Connie's Creations" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Correction/about postcard/man walking out the door Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:46:46 PDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi to all again. I found a jpeg on Spectrum's site of the piece I was looking for but evidently they did make postcards and posters of it. I would like to know if anybody has any they are willing to part with in good condition. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 16 20:31:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #399 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: excite.com!Carolyn_Boring From: Carolyn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: no mail Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please resign me up to the mail list.I haven't been getting bungi mail. _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 01:02:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #399 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: mindspring.com!glassgirl From: "cheryl zipf" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Copper Came Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:28:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C007C0.818EAB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HELP!!! trying out some Copper came to wrap some bevels in .... I am = clueless on how to work in copper I have a came bender and a metal miter = saw ...what do i put on my solder joints to have them match the new = copper ..thanks guys !! ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C007C0.818EAB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HELP!!!   trying out some = Copper came to=20 wrap some bevels in .... I am  clueless on how to work in copper I = have a=20 came bender and a metal miter saw ...what do i put on my solder joints = to have=20 them match the new copper ..thanks guys !!
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C007C0.818EAB60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 02:02:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #399 built 2000-Aug-16) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG, re: hello Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Marylou, Welcome to Bungi. This is a great bunch of folks who are ever ready to help you out with a problem, or just to add to your knowledge base on glass (and some other areas as well :>) ) Enjoy! Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 08:31:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #400 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: mindspring.com!cholloway From: Craig Holloway To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:03:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000817140356.0066dce8@pop.mindspring.com> Precedence: bulk Hi all! Any thoughts on which strip cutter to buy? By-The-Way anyone in the Dacula, GA area who would like to get together to talk glass? I am also looking for a copy of an artical in "Fast Break #13" from Uroboros. The artical was by Patrice Lampton on using textured glass, it was part one of two. If anyone can email me a copy of the artical or tell me hoe to get in touch with Ms. Lampton I would be most happy. Craig ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 10:01:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #400 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Craig Holloway Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Help! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.20000817140356.0066dce8@pop.mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk Craig: I like the Morton System's Portable Glass Shop. It is a little pricy but it will be invaluable as you make geometric shapes, i.e., lamps, boxes, straight edges, etc. Peggy On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Craig Holloway wrote: > Hi all! > Any thoughts on which strip cutter to buy? By-The-Way anyone in the > Dacula, GA area who would like to get together to talk glass? I am also > looking for a copy of an artical in "Fast Break #13" from Uroboros. The > artical was by Patrice Lampton on using textured glass, it was part one of > two. If anyone can email me a copy of the artical or tell me hoe to get in > touch with Ms. Lampton I would be most happy. > Craig > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 10:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #400 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: artglassw.com!dandl From: "Art Glass of Wenatchee" To: "Craig Holloway" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Help! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:12:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.20000817140356.0066dce8@pop.mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk Craig, All depends what you want to do with it. If all you are doing is cutting strips & circles, the Glastar strip & circle cutter is fine. If you will be cutting other geometric shapes, I would suggest the Morton Glass Shop. The MGS doesn't cut circles. Dave Art Glass of Wenatchee You Address for Low cost Supplies http://www.stained-glass-supplies.com -----Original Message----- From: Craig Holloway [mailto:cholloway@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 7:04 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Help! Hi all! Any thoughts on which strip cutter to buy? By-The-Way anyone in the Dacula, GA area who would like to get together to talk glass? I am also looking for a copy of an artical in "Fast Break #13" from Uroboros. The artical was by Patrice Lampton on using textured glass, it was part one of two. If anyone can email me a copy of the artical or tell me hoe to get in touch with Ms. Lampton I would be most happy. Craig ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 11:08:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #400 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: fbol.com!Patty.McMaster From: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Kilns Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:37:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Ssome time ago I asked a question about a kiln that I used to make ceramics in It was practically new when I purchased it It has a kiln sitter on it - someone said I would need to get a pyrmeter to fire glass in there Now someone locally - (I am in ST LOUIS MO ) told me that all the pyrometer is going to do is give me the temperature in the kiln It is not going to allow me to " ADJUST " the temperature PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!! I really want to FUSE & SLUMP Thank You, Patty ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 13:23:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #400 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: mindspring.com!glassgirl From: "cheryl zipf" To: Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: help Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:38:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C00861.41F689E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001E_01C00861.41F689E0" ------=_NextPart_001_001E_01C00861.41F689E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Craig I just use my old Glastar strip and circle ive had the thing for = 10 years and only on my 4th replacement head, though some people love = the morton system stuff. also I am in Marietta GA how close is that to = dacula GA =20 ------=_NextPart_001_001E_01C00861.41F689E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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locally - (I am in ST LOUIS MO ) > told me that all the pyrometer is going to do is give me the temperature >in the kiln . . . . >I really want to FUSE & SLUMP I am sure you can get some sort of gadget that will set off an alarm when a pre-set temperature has been reached. If you stay near enough to hear the alarm you can then turn it off (after peeping inside to see if it is 'done') We have a kiln controller that turns off our main kiln once it has reached the temperature needed but it was fairly pricey. But you can always hover near the kiln and have a look inside when the temp is about right and switch it off. Even with our fancy computer controlled paragon we always take a peek, as glass does not always react at the expected temps! For a week or so recently I had to use our small enamelling kiln without even a pyrometer - it got dropped - and got quite good at judging by the look of the glass when to stop it. But I did get fed up with having to sit peering through the peephole wearing kiln glasses when it started to approach fusing temps! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 16:00:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #401 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: circles with Morton Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000817222143.007b14c0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1.5.4.32.20000817140356.0066dce8@pop.mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk At 10:12 17/08/00 -0700, Dave wrote: > The MGS doesn't cut circles. But if you want circles from about 3/4 inch to 6 inches diameter you can use the teeny turn with the circle guide gadget - these work on either of the Morton surfaces. Since getting the Morton system stuff for sale a year ago I am still impressed with its usefulness - just wish it had been available here years ago! The PGS allows even beginners to cut accurate thin strips, mitres and angled shapes like trapezoids sooo easily compared with using a cutting square or ruler and measuring. With the cutting bar held securely in position they can concentrate on getting their cutting technique correct. And using the circle guide and teeny turn I had a whole class of 12 students on their second 2-hour session each cutting and breaking small and larger circles without one failure! Though as others have said - for larger circles you cant beat the Glastar strip/circle cutter. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 17 22:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #401 built 2000-Aug-17) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Connie's Creations" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Looking for Spectrum limited edition postcard Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:08:00 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Connie The postcard that you are asking for is probably "Boldly Going" by Michael Kennedy Studios. You can still find a picture on Spectrum site if click on the "Gallery" and look for Boldy Going there. Or you could follow this link: http://www.spectrumglass.com/Gallery/GallDocs/BoldlyGoing.html In case it is a postcard that you still want, I probably have a few stashed away somewhere. Send me your snail mail adn you will have it in a week. Shakeel Abedi Secretary - International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. (www.igga.org) shakabe@pd.jaring.my ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie's Creations" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: Looking for Spectrum limited edition postcard > Hi all, > > I am looking for one of the limited edition postcards from > Spectrum that is of a man going through a door. Spectrum > no longer has any of these. > > Does anybody have one or could they scan one and send it > to me as a jpeg or do they know where I could get one possibly? > > Connie Bartel > conniescreations@hotmail.com > blueheron59@email.msn.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 18 07:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #402 built 2000-Aug-18) X-Path: fbol.com!Patty.McMaster From: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Are KILN GLASSES expensive? - someone here told me I could use a pair of good UV sunglasses I am just curious - what sort of times are we talking like max & min ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 18 08:33:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #402 built 2000-Aug-18) X-Path: fbol.com!Patty.McMaster From: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk when I was talking time - I am speaking of firing times in the KILN ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 18 09:02:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #402 built 2000-Aug-18) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:45:05 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 8/18/00 7:39:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Patty.McMaster@fbol.com writes: > Are KILN GLASSES expensive? > - someone here told me I could use a pair of good UV sunglasses > I am just curious - what sort of times are we talking > like max & min > Go to: http://www.warmglass.com for a truck load of info. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 18 13:58:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #402 built 2000-Aug-18) X-Path: pop.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: are kiln glasses expensive? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:20:16 +0000 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk > Are KILN GLASSES expensive? > - someone here told me I could use a pair of good UV sunglasses I am > just curious - what sort of times are we talking like max & min On the one hand, they might be considered expensive at (about) $175 and up per pair. On the other hand, what's the cost of replacing one's vision? "Priceless," as they say in the American Express ads. Good UV sunglasses will *not provide the protection you need, but you will save money. You should take a look at http://auralens.com/ for the low-down on the subject. Okay, so they sell the protective glasses, but they also know what they're talking about and if you buy from someone else, they'll almost certainly be one of Auralens' dealers. Hope this is helpful. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Aug 18 16:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #402 built 2000-Aug-18) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: "Craig Holloway" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Help! Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.20000817140356.0066dce8@pop.mindspring.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Craig, I live in Hoschton (near Chateau Elan). I'm a member of the Atlanta Glass Guild, and I'll be happy to let you know when the next meeting is (hasn't been decided yet), and you are welcome to come and meet lots of glass people. Jerri www.beadbimbo.com Subject: Help! > Hi all! > Any thoughts on which strip cutter to buy? By-The-Way anyone in the > Dacula, GA area who would like to get together to talk glass? I am also > looking for a copy of an artical in "Fast Break #13" from Uroboros. The > artical was by Patrice Lampton on using textured glass, it was part one of > two. If anyone can email me a copy of the artical or tell me hoe to get in > touch with Ms. Lampton I would be most happy. > Craig > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 19 13:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #403 built 2000-Aug-19) X-Path: w152.web2010.com!shopcon From: Tell-A-Friend@ShopConsciously.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: ShopConsciously.com Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 15:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200008191946.PAA05029@w152.web2010.com> Precedence: bulk Warm Greetings From ShopConsciously.com A visitor to ShopConsciously.com has asked us to invite you to sell your artwork and crafts on our site. 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Thank you… Peace and Blessings, ShopConsciously Staff ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 21 01:07:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #404 built 2000-Aug-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com Subject: Re: Kilns Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:48:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Patty, I see that you haven't had many replies to your questions yet, so I will add my comments. A kiln sitter is a device that switches off the power to the kiln when a pre-set temperature is achieved. It is generally inadequate for fusing and slumping work. The cases where it is adequate is where no hold at the top temperature is required, AND the kiln's natural cooling rate is relatively slow through the annealing range of 600 to 490 degrees Celsius, AND the pieces are relatively small (say 6 inches in diameter or less) or not thick. So you can get by with a kiln sitter, but in certain circumstances only. A pyrometer is a must in my view. You need to know the temperatures that things happen at to be able to reproduce the results and the pyrometer gives you the temperature of the kiln chamber at the level and area in which the pyrometer probe is placed. Yes, the pyrometer does not adjust the temperature, but it gives the information to allow you to adjust the controls to make the temperature changes. Most kilns have a variable control, often in graduations from 1 to 100. These numbers indicate the percent of the time that the kiln puts power into the elements, which in turn controls the rate of ascent or descent of the temperature. You need to experiment with these controls, recording the temperatures at, say 15 minute, intervals at various settings. So you might see what 100%, 75%, 50% will produce at the start, and a different range for cooling - say 60%, 40% 30%. You will also find that different power inputs will produce different results at different points of the heating and cooling cycle. So you will find that you may need only 50% at the start to achieve a 300 degree C rise in temp, but as you reach 500 deg. C you may need &5% or even 100% to achieve a 500 deg. C rise (all temps are given per hour, but is you are watching the pyrometer, you will need to change these to deg. per minute: so 300 per hour is 300 divided by 60 mins equals 5 deg. per minute, or 85 deg. per 15 min. observation period) (by the way conversion from deg. C to deg. F is as follows: divide deg. C by 5, multiply the result by 9 and add 32. E.G., 100C is divided by 5 giving 20, this is multiplied by 9 giving 180, add 32 (the F temperature of freezing) and you get 212 - the boiling point of water) You will have to keep records of the temperature observations so you can reproduce the rate of change you want. After a few trials and some early experiments with glass, you will get a much better feel for the way to alter the controls to get the temperature change you want. If your kiln (as one of mine) has simpler controls, such as "off, low, med, high" you may need to switch between the settings to get the settings you want. On this one medium will give a temperature rise in the 100 - 200 deg.C range, High will give an initial 600 deg C rise, but it slows at about 500 deg.C to under 200 deg.C per hour. On the way down, I can usually just turn the kiln off as the natural cooling rate is so very slow, the kiln will anneal the glass without any further power input. If the glass is thick or it is a large piece, putting the power setting on low will slow the cooling enough to anneal a 12mm (ca. 1/2 inch) piece. So, this brings up another point. On all kilns, whether they have a digital controller or not, you need to know the natural cooling rate. This means that you have to record the temperature changes at about 15 minute intervals from the top temperature to about 200 deg.C with the power off. Yes, this means that you have to spend a lot of time with your kiln getting to know it and its little ways, but there is no short cut to this. Other ways of finding about your kiln is just to do it and then cope with the failures, accidents, etc. Brad Walker has a book "Contemporary Warm Glass" and a web site which will give you a great deal of information. Go to: www.warmglass.com to find a lot of information. As you learn about your kiln, you will have a number of specific questions that I hope the group can answer. If what I have said raises questions rather than giving answers, just ask what I meant on a specific point and I will try to be more clear. Also let the group know of your successes! Best wishes Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Patty.McMaster@fbol.com writes > >Ssome time ago I asked a question about a kiln that I used to make >ceramics in > >It was practically new when I purchased it > >It has a kiln sitter on it - someone said I would need to get a pyrmeter >to fire glass in there > >Now someone locally - (I am in ST LOUIS MO ) > told me that all the pyrometer is going to do is give me the temperature >in the kiln > >It is not going to allow me to " ADJUST " the temperature > >PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!! >I really want to FUSE & SLUMP > >Thank You, >Patty > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 21 06:32:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 06:24:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #404 built 2000-Aug-20) X-Path: fbol.com!Patty.McMaster From: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Kilns Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Obviously, your well-informed about this particular matter. I have ordered the warmglass book & am awaiting its delivery anyday now I am ready to fire the glass I can't wait much longer - :) I will let you know what happens after the first firing ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 21 13:40:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #405 built 2000-Aug-21) X-Path: compaq.com!kevin.longshore From: "Longshore, Kevin" To: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'm certainly not an expert on fusing, but I remember from my college days (and way too many days ago that was...) in ceramic class that using UV sunglasses actually causes more eye damage. They don't block out any of the infra-red that is causing the eye damage, and your pupil opens wider because the visible light is cut down by the sunglasses. Make it a good day. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobfuses@aol.com [mailto:Bobfuses@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 11:45 AM > To: Patty.McMaster@fbol.com; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message > > > In a message dated 8/18/00 7:39:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > Patty.McMaster@fbol.com writes: > > > Are KILN GLASSES expensive? > > - someone here told me I could use a pair of good UV sunglasses > > I am just curious - what sort of times are we talking > > like max & min > > > Go to: http://www.warmglass.com for a truck load of info. > > Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 > Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough > to make them > all yourself. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 21 23:31:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:01:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #405 built 2000-Aug-21) X-Path: centurytel.net!Fortschultz From: Grant Schultz To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Rookie question... Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:26:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Sentury Insurance Precedence: bulk --------------F9F8B0F6D741ACD66B0A288D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi my name is Christy and I am addicted to glass.....I think that is how every one should start !HA! I have been traditionally a painter and a potter as well as a art teacher. I had finally said heck with it and took a class in stained glass and now here I am.... addicted to another art form. Stained Glass Rules! I have only taken a beginner class on panels-foiling but I am pretty brave desigining my own projects. I have been sitting back the last few months taking in all this great info,some I understand and can use and other stuff I have no clue what is being talked about!:) I'll figure it out eventually. I do have a question I am going to post and try not to feel to stupid about asking...remember I am a rookie. What do I need to do to the tip of my soldering iron "tin" it? It does'nt seem to heat evenly all the time or take awhile to melt the solder. I read something about this a few weeks ago here, but still was'nt sure what to do. (I did skip my last glass to go on vacation, maybe I missed this bit of info eh?) Thanks for any help! Christy-stained glass groupie (sp?) P.S. I did try to check the archives-that is a bit confusing and it reads in weird computer lingo. no matter what I try... --------------F9F8B0F6D741ACD66B0A288D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi my name is Christy and I am addicted to glass.....I think that is how every one should start !HA!
I have been traditionally a painter and a potter as well as a art teacher. I had finally said heck with it and took a class in stained glass and now here I am.... addicted to another art form. Stained Glass Rules! I have only taken a beginner class on panels-foiling but I am pretty brave desigining my own projects. I have been sitting back the last few months taking in all this great info,some I understand and can use and other stuff I have no clue what is being talked about!:) I'll  figure it out eventually.  I do have a question I am going to post and try not to feel to stupid about asking...remember I am a rookie.
What do I need to do to the tip of my soldering iron "tin" it? It does'nt seem to heat evenly all the time or take awhile to melt the solder. I read something about this a few weeks ago here, but still was'nt sure what to do. (I did skip my last glass to go on vacation, maybe I missed this bit of info eh?)
Thanks for any help!
Christy-stained glass groupie (sp?)
P.S. I did try to check the archives-that is a bit confusing and it reads in weird computer lingo. no matter what I try... --------------F9F8B0F6D741ACD66B0A288D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 22 11:30:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #407 built 2000-Aug-22) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Looking for Nel Reeves Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:07:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi gang. I'm trying to contact a fused glass artist named Nel Reeves. I purchased some lovely enameled work from her in 1998, but no longer have her correct phone number. Last known location was Arlington, VA. If anyone has a way of contacting her, please send it to me, as I would like to place another order. Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 22 13:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #408 built 2000-Aug-22) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Grant Schultz Subject: Re: Rookie question... Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Grant Schultz writes ...cut...... > I do have a question I am going to post and >try not to feel to stupid about asking...remember I am a rookie. >What do I need to do to the tip of my soldering iron "tin" it? It >does'nt seem to heat evenly all the time or take awhile to melt the >solder. I read something about this a few weeks ago here, but still >was'nt sure what to do. (I did skip my last glass to go on vacation, >maybe I missed this bit of info eh?) The tip of the soldering iron often gets "dirty" which insulates the tip's heat from the solder and the material to be soldered. The best indicators are if the solder does not flow across the whole tip, but beads up, or does not even stay on the tip; the other is that there are black spots or pits on the tip. Two ways I have of altering this, both require the iron to be hot. With the iron hot, use a brass wire brush to get off the dirt and accumulation of material. Then apply a touch of flux and melt solder onto the tip. It should spread across the whole bit. If it doesn't, gently brush the tip with a steel wire brush, and repeat the tinning process as above. The second way is to use a sal amoniac block. Again the iron needs to be hot. Rub the flat side of the bit on the block until the block begins to smoke. You will observe that there is a black residue being left on the block - this is the sticky "dirt" coming off the tip. Do the other side too. Add a little solder to the upper side of the tip and turn over to rub it between block and tip. Now look at it, and you should see the solder spread over the tip. If not repeat. For really difficult occasions, use the brass wire brush. Best wishes. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 22 15:00:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #408 built 2000-Aug-22) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Grant Schultz" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Rookie question... Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:43:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk go to my tips section - under tool maintence. i believe i stuck info on tip tinning in there. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Schultz [mailto:Fortschultz@centurytel.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 1:26 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Rookie question... > > > > --------------F9F8B0F6D741ACD66B0A288D > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi my name is Christy and I am addicted to glass.....I think that is how > every one should start !HA! > I have been traditionally a painter and a potter as well as a art > teacher. I had finally said heck with it and took a class in stained > glass and now here I am.... addicted to another art form. Stained Glass > Rules! I have only taken a beginner class on panels-foiling but I am > pretty brave desigining my own projects. I have been sitting back the > last few months taking in all this great info,some I understand and can > use and other stuff I have no clue what is being talked about!:) I'll > figure it out eventually. I do have a question I am going to post and > try not to feel to stupid about asking...remember I am a rookie. > What do I need to do to the tip of my soldering iron "tin" it? It > does'nt seem to heat evenly all the time or take awhile to melt the > solder. I read something about this a few weeks ago here, but still > was'nt sure what to do. (I did skip my last glass to go on vacation, > maybe I missed this bit of info eh?) > Thanks for any help! > Christy-stained glass groupie (sp?) > P.S. I did try to check the archives-that is a bit confusing and it > reads in weird computer lingo. no matter what I try... > > --------------F9F8B0F6D741ACD66B0A288D > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > Hi my name is Christy and I am addicted to glass.....I think that is how > every one should start !HA! >
I have been traditionally a painter and a potter as well as a > art teacher. > I had finally said heck with it and took a class in stained glass and now > here I am.... addicted to another art form. Stained Glass > Rules! > I have only taken a beginner class on panels-foiling but I am pretty brave > desigining my own projects. I have been sitting back the last few months > taking in all this great info,some I understand and can use and > other stuff > I have no clue what is being talked about!:) I'll  figure it > out eventually.  > I do have a question I am going to post and try not to feel to > stupid about > asking...remember I am a rookie. >
What do I need to do to the tip of my soldering iron "tin" > it? It does'nt > seem to heat evenly all the time or take awhile to melt the solder. I read > something about this a few weeks ago here, but still was'nt sure what to > do. (I did skip my last glass to go on vacation, maybe I missed this bit > of info eh?) >
Thanks for any help! >
Christy-stained glass groupie (sp?) >
P.S. I did try to check the archives-that is a bit confusing and it > reads in weird computer lingo. no matter what I try... > > --------------F9F8B0F6D741ACD66B0A288D-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 23 13:19:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #409 built 2000-Aug-23) X-Path: AOL.COM!HOUEVENTS From: "WEEKLY EVENT CALANDER" To: Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:59:03 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 23 13:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:16:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #409 built 2000-Aug-23) X-Path: AOL.COM!HOUEVENTS From: "WEEKLY EVENT CALANDER" To: Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:59:03 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 23 13:48:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #409 built 2000-Aug-23) X-Path: compaq.com!kevin.longshore From: "Longshore, Kevin" To: glass@bungi.com, hotglass@list.bb.net Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Longevity of enamels in glass painting? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:39:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk What is the difference between 'traditional' glass paints and enamels that the paints are considered permanent but the enamels aren't? Have there been advances in enamel manufacture in the 20 years since Albinas Elskus' book that enamels are permanent now? Can anyone describe personal experiences with the (im)permanance of modern enamels? I like the extra colours available with enamels vs traditional glass paints, but hate the idea of my work self-destructing 10 years from now. And the kiln I have available to me isn't/can't be set up for annealing, so I assume fusing coloured glass or frit is not an option. Thanks for the information! Make it a good day. Kevin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 23 14:48:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #409 built 2000-Aug-23) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Longshore, Kevin" Subject: Re: Longevity of enamels in glass painting? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:37:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kevin, It isn't so much the formulation of the enamels, but the temperatures at which they fire that makes for impermanence of the enamel fired onto the glass. Many enamels fire at a point below the softening point of a number of glasses. This means that the pigment is not so well absorbed into the structure of the base glass. Also the fluxes used in the low firing enamels are often borax based, and so are water soluble. These two factors lead to a shorter life than the vitreous paints. Still, I have seen enamels that have been scrubbed for 90 years by window cleaners, that are only slightly damaged (Many others that are almost unreadable, though). An alternative is to use the high firing enamels available from Reusche or Degussa, or even some of the glass and on glaze enamels intended for ceramics glazes. These often fire in the range of 650 to 700 deg. Celsius. Some of them are very good and transparent, others are much more opaque and even cloudy, so you need to experiment. I am curious about your statement that the available kiln is not / can not be set up for annealing. I don't see why not. All you need to do is to arrest the cooling process at the appropriate temperature to allow the glass to anneal. If you are using a ceramics kiln, it is probable that it will retain enough heat and loose it slowly enough for you to anneal all but the largest and thickest pieces of glass. In any case, you need to anneal the painted glass that has gone above the annealing point of the base glass. With small pieces this happens quickly enough for it to be uncritical. For larger pieces of glass it does become critical. E.g., I found a piece of glass about 12" by 15" was full of stresses, because it had not had long enough at the annealing temperature. It looked fine, but when put between polarising filters, it showed a lot of stress was present. The piece, put back into the kiln, reheated, and cooled at the annealing point, was relieved of the stress. Look at the natural cooling rate of the kiln (if you want ways of determining this, let me know). This will tell you if the kiln cools too rapidly at the critical annealing range. Usually, a cooling rate of 60 deg. Celsius per hour is slow enough. ( That is about 2 deg. F per minute). Faster than that and you may need to put some heat into the kiln to slow the rate of cooling. I don't see why you can't try frit under the same conditions as for annealing painted glass. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Longshore, Kevin writes >What is the difference between 'traditional' glass paints and enamels that >the paints are considered permanent but the enamels aren't? > >Have there been advances in enamel manufacture in the 20 years since Albinas >Elskus' book that enamels are permanent now? Can anyone describe personal >experiences with the (im)permanance of modern enamels? > >I like the extra colours available with enamels vs traditional glass paints, >but hate the idea of my work self-destructing 10 years from now. And the >kiln I have available to me isn't/can't be set up for annealing, so I assume >fusing coloured glass or frit is not an option. > >Thanks for the information! > >Make it a good day. >Kevin > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 23 19:47:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #410 built 2000-Aug-23) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: old windows Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:18:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Well...old compared to me. Anyone have any info on glass artists that were doing triple glazing in/around 1906? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 23 22:52:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #410 built 2000-Aug-23) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tip Tinning Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:52:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Clear Day I have a very tiny tin of "Tip Tinner" right by my soldering iron stand, and when I'm in the middle of a project, I just run my iron tip over the tinner once or twice, it works beautifully! Before I turn my iron off for the day, I give it a good cleaning with Sal Ammoniac, and tin it, like Steve and Mike both mention. I believe I got the Tip Tinner from Warner-Crivellaro, for around $6.00. Good luck on all of your projects! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Aug 26 11:43:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #415 built 2000-Aug-25) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: HELP! I Broke My Favorite Lamp Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians, I received a distress call from a lady via the IGGA link to the Martha Stewart website. This lady broke a small ballerina table lamp....I'm not sure, but I think= it might be some flamework thing at the base of the lamp. She sent a couple of .bmp files taken with digital camera along...but I can't open them to view them using my antiquated version of Compuserve. They are in UUEncoded format. If anyone here can= view them, or if anyone is interest in repairing this, I'll email you the= original email from Ms. Mills. Message text written by "drmills" >Thank you so much for your phone call regarding my lastest accident wit= h my little lady lamp....Any help will be appreciated...Thank You. Debra R. Mills at 9527 Hidden Oak Way Knoxville, Tn. 37922 If you have any questions please call 865-670-2928.< ---- Christie A. Wood North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 27 05:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 05:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #416 built 2000-Aug-26) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!mike.magic From: "Mike" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Glasswork Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:46:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C01024.CC2AD4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi=20 Please excuse my writing to you but I saw your address on a Q&A listing = about foil glass work and wondered if you wantred to chat about the = work. Not sure how it works but imagine that you are the page owner. How do i go about joining in the chat? As you can see from my e-mail = address, I am not in the States. I live in the Isle of Man which is a = small island in the Irish Sea. I make the odd foil glass items and sell some in exhibitions round the = Island but have never gone full out for it. I make boxes, self standing = suncatchers and photo frames. Hope to hear from you soon. Best wishes Mike ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C01024.CC2AD4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi =

Please = excuse my writing=20 to you but I saw your address on a Q&A listing about foil glass work = and=20 wondered if you wantred to chat about the work.  Not sure how it = works but=20 imagine that you are the page owner.

How do i go = about joining=20 in the chat?  As=20 you can see from my e-mail address, I am not in the States.  I live = in the=20 Isle of Man which is a small island in the Irish Sea.

I make the = odd foil glass=20 items and sell some in exhibitions round the Island but have never gone = full out=20 for it.  I make boxes, self standing suncatchers and photo=20 frames.

Hope to = hear from you=20 soon.

Best = wishes

Mike

------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C01024.CC2AD4C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 27 19:02:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #419 built 2000-Aug-27) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Where's the mail Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:33:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Folks, Have I been removed from the list, I have not received many messages in the last week or so. Please advise. Tim Byrnes -- Live easy, but think first. -- anonymous ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Aug 27 23:00:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #419 built 2000-Aug-27) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bungi" , "Tim Byrnes" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Where's the mail Date: Sun, 27 Aug 00 21:19:39 Message-ID: <200008280322.VAA17458@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Tim, I haven't been getting much from anyone on the net this weekend.. Tis just quiet I guess.. I got yours tho! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 28 06:58:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 06:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #419 built 2000-Aug-27) X-Path: home.com!leetollett1 From: Lee Tollett To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Where's the mail Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 05:43:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008280322.VAA17458@mantis.privatei.com>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Everyone must be relaxing, trying to stay out of the heat..... have a nice day Candy wrote: > > Tim, > > I haven't been getting much from anyone on the net this weekend.. Tis just quiet I > guess.. I got yours tho! > > Candy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 28 18:24:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:12:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #421 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: mindspring.com!glassgirl From: "cheryl zipf" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: HELP!!! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:13:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C01134.D3259100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I NEED TO FIND SOMETHING FOR COPPER JOINTS AFTER USING COPPER CAME THAT = WILL SHINE ON MY SOLDER JOINTS THANKS GUYS> CHERYL ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C01134.D3259100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I NEED TO FIND SOMETHING FOR COPPER = JOINTS AFTER=20 USING COPPER CAME THAT WILL SHINE ON MY SOLDER JOINTS  THANKS = GUYS>=20 CHERYL
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C01134.D3259100-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 28 18:58:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #421 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergy glass" To: "cheryl zipf" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: HELP!!! Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Cheryl... Try some of the metallic paints available at your paint store. I've done a lot of research into brass paints and use General Paint's brass spray coating. It is much more durable during cleaning than the little gold paint pens available at s.g. stores. They tend to rub off after 6 months or so (I tested them on a mirror in my bathroom which is cleaned frequently. Maybe General Paint makes a copper spray bomb also, or perhaps you'll find another brand you like Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net You might have to experiment with a couple of I shake the spray bomb, spray a little out into a plastic dish and paint from that onto the joints...2 coats and voila...solder joints are covered. -----Original Message----- From: cheryl zipf To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: HELP!!! >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C01134.D3259100 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I NEED TO FIND SOMETHING FOR COPPER JOINTS AFTER USING COPPER CAME THAT = >WILL SHINE ON MY SOLDER JOINTS THANKS GUYS> CHERYL > >------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C01134.D3259100 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
I NEED TO FIND SOMETHING FOR COPPER = >JOINTS AFTER=20 >USING COPPER CAME THAT WILL SHINE ON MY SOLDER JOINTS  THANKS = >GUYS>=20 >CHERYL
> >------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C01134.D3259100-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 28 21:01:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #421 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: mike.magic@ukonline.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glasswork Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:40:21 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Mike, You are among a growing group of Uk people that are bungians.There are more of you than you might think. Hang in there for awhile things are a little slow on bungi right now, but they will pick up in the next couple of weeks or so.Bungi is not a live chat group but more of a question answer group you ask we answer. Sometimes you get lots of answers sometimes not so many. And you will definetly get some strong opinions on how or what is the right or wrong way to approach a problem.And then it is up to you to take it from there.Good Luck! Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Aug 28 21:37:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #421 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: asbuilt.com!pcz From: "Zicarelli, Philip" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Making a window Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:50:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am making some entryway windows and have a question. The rough size of the opening is 21-3/8 " x 39 - 3/4" the size inside the trim is 20-3/4" x 38-7//8". The question is do you build up the edge so the glass starts inside the trim? If so what do you use to build up the edges? If you don't, how do you handle the different thickness glass along the edges? Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 02:31:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: iofm.net!art.forall From: "Art For All" To: "Art" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Cracked Lids Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:32:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0119C.1AE72460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks A query, I have had problems when making flat lids for boxes, with the = glass cracking when soldering the brass hinge tube on. The problem = seems to arise when making a decent clean bead of solder between the = foiled edge of the=20 glass and the tube. I make my hinges from brass tubing soldered to the back edge of the box = lid and "L" shaped piano wire pieces soldered into the back joints of = the box itself. The problem does not always arise but seems to on the nicest ones, that = well known law no doubt. Sometimes it is only apparent that the glass = has cracked when cleaning up the lid in preparation for patinating the = solder. Any ideas or tips? Mike Ramsey, Isle of Man. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0119C.1AE72460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Folks
 
A query, I have had problems when = making flat lids=20 for boxes, with the glass cracking when soldering the brass hinge = tube=20 on.  The problem seems to arise when making a decent clean bead of = solder=20 between the foiled edge of the 
glass and the tube.
 
I make my hinges from brass tubing = soldered to the=20 back edge of the box lid and "L" shaped piano wire pieces soldered into = the back=20 joints of the box itself.
 
The problem does not always arise but = seems to on=20 the nicest ones, that well known law no doubt.  Sometimes it is = only=20 apparent that the glass has cracked when cleaning up the lid in = preparation for=20 patinating the solder.
 
Any ideas or tips?
 
Mike
Ramsey, Isle of = Man.
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0119C.1AE72460-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 03:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "Jones B.S." To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: two new panels Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:23:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Had to give up the glass for a while due to illness during the winter but after suffering strong withdrawal symptoms I have done several new panels this summer. If any body is interested here are two of them http://www.eee.bham.ac.uk/joness/catbuck.htm http://www.eee.bham.ac.uk/joness/bighorn.htm Enjoy.. Brandon S. Jones (UK) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 11:01:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "Art For All" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cracked Lids Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:35:12 +0100 Message-ID: <200008291649.e7TGnBa03134@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello Mike, et al. This is a new one for me... I wonder if you are using too hot an iron? When my students venture into c/f, they invariably make boxes as a first object (and a second one,....and a third one as a present for someone). I have not come across cracked glass before. The only explanation I can think of is the temperature of the iron, or temperature shocks.... OR.... perhaps..... an already existing miniscule crack, caused during initial cutting, which then "travels" when you apply the iron. I too will be interested in hearing what other folks have to offer on this subject. Where do you get your tubes from?? Best Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Mike Ramsey in I-o-M, UK wrote: Hi Folks A query, I have had problems when making flat lids for boxes, with the = glass cracking when soldering the brass hinge tube on. The problem = seems to arise when making a decent clean bead of solder between the = foiled edge of the=20 glass and the tube. I make my hinges from brass tubing soldered to the back edge of the box = lid and "L" shaped piano wire pieces soldered into the back joints of = the box itself. The problem does not always arise but seems to on the nicest ones, that = well known law no doubt. Sometimes it is only apparent that the glass = has cracked when cleaning up the lid in preparation for patinating the = solder. Any ideas or tips? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 14:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Zicarelli, Philip" Subject: Re: Making a window Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:47:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Philip I've some questions to help me answer yours. In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Zicarelli, Philip writes > >I am making some entryway windows and have a question. > A preliminary question: are you working in copperfoil, leaded glass, fused glass, etched glass, bevels, etc.? >The rough size of the opening is 21-3/8 " x 39 - 3/4" the size inside the >trim is 20-3/4" x 38-7//8". > >The question is do you build up the edge so the glass starts inside the >trim? Are you going to replace the existing glass? Are you going to place the new inside the existing glass? > >If so what do you use to build up the edges? > I don't understand "build up" in relation to edges. If you mean "extend" then I can offer some opinions. I work in leaded glass so some of my assumptions may be presumptuous, but then you will need to query them. I use 1/2 inch lead came at the edge of most of my panels. This usually extends deeply enough under the mouldings to present only a thin line of came to the viewer and so the design does not get covered by the wooden mouldings. My preference is to leave a 1/8 inch gap between the edges of the opening to make fitting of the panel easy. I also prefer to have a safety glass on the outside, and install a small air passage between the two panels at the top and the bottom to allow ventilation to prevent condensation. >If you don't, how do you handle the different thickness glass along the >edges? > What amount of difference do you have between the glasses? If it is only a tiny fraction of an inch (even up to 1/8) there is no real problem. You resort to the traditional method of fitting windows - use putty. If you don't like / can't use putty, try butyl or silicone (if you must). You can also use a spacer between the existing glass and the new panel to avoid the two touching. With more specific information, I can give more specific answers. Best wishes. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 14:15:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Art For All Subject: Cracked Lids (attn: Ann Baxter) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:09:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Mike, As you seem to know already the cause of the cracking is probably too much heat in a localised area. This means work faster, or cooler, or build the bead on one side only, allowing the piece to cool somewhat before starting on the other side. I have tended to use only a tinning of the brass tube, and then sweat it to the box lid. In addition I have developed a method of placing the tube under the lid so it is unseen until the box is opened. It also provides a rest for the lid, so no chain is needed to keep the lid from falling back on to the table surface and possibly cracking. (I guess this might be an article for the IGGA Newsletter. What do you thing Ann?) Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Art For All writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0119C.1AE72460 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Hi Folks > >A query, I have had problems when making flat lids for boxes, with the = >glass cracking when soldering the brass hinge tube on. The problem = >seems to arise when making a decent clean bead of solder between the = >foiled edge of the=20 >glass and the tube. > >I make my hinges from brass tubing soldered to the back edge of the box = >lid and "L" shaped piano wire pieces soldered into the back joints of = >the box itself. > >The problem does not always arise but seems to on the nicest ones, that = >well known law no doubt. Sometimes it is only apparent that the glass = >has cracked when cleaning up the lid in preparation for patinating the = >solder. > >Any ideas or tips? > >Mike >Ramsey, Isle of Man. > >------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0119C.1AE72460 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
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> >------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0119C.1AE72460-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 15:25:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: returning home Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:38:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I hope all of you who went to Glass Visions had a pleasant trip home. For those of you who didn't, well, you should have seen what Robert Oddy had to show us this year...He had a tree branch cast in brass yup, looked like a real branch, it wasn't flat) and had attached to that glass magnolias, cut out of pinkish drapery glass. Lovely. We did sightseeing on the way home....came up through the Delaware Water Gap. i confess, I didn't find Dingman's Falls that impressive. Looked at stained glass in a couple of craft stores and saw nothing that really inspired me. (Some made me cringe....oh, look, all commercial patterns and that color selection...what's with all the PIGS?...A matter of taste, I suppose.) John's unpacked all the goodies, so I have to get back to work. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 16:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #422 built 2000-Aug-28) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: returning home Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: <200008292213.e7TMD2a23098@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Oh Dorothy, You fill me with total nostalgia.... How I wish I had been there....with all of you.... seing your faces...touching you all... the fun and laughter we had... And that was LAST year!! I hope you SUNK a glass for me.... Hope you all had a good time. Please share! Elisabeth 'n Toby( ....'n YOUR Godson Meric) in UK Dorothy wrote: I hope all of you who went to Glass Visions had a pleasant trip home. For those of you who didn't, well, you should have seen what Robert Oddy had to show us this year...He had a tree branch cast in brass yup, looked like a real branch, it wasn't flat) and had attached to that glass magnolias, cut out of pinkish drapery glass. Lovely. We did sightseeing on the way home....came up through the Delaware Water Gap. i confess, I didn't find Dingman's Falls that impressive. Looked at stained glass in a couple of craft stores and saw nothing that really inspired me. (Some made me cringe....oh, look, all commercial patterns and that color selection...what's with all the PIGS?...A matter of taste, I suppose.) John's unpacked all the goodies, so I have to get back to work. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 20:49:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #423 built 2000-Aug-29) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Toby" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Cracked Lids Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:36:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200008291649.e7TGnBa03134@mercury.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk this question slipped by my sensors... there's too much heat. tack the lid on one side, then the other then the middle. let it cool. and dab the solder on. what's most likely happening is that there is a really tiny crack forming where the most heat is. when you go to clean it, you either: A. bend the glass a little and let the glass flex a little. or... B. you may be washing the glass while the glass is still too hot. in which case it's thermal shock. it could be a micro fracture, but you'll mostly get those when you groze alot, which is another good reason for a grinder... :) ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 4-6-2000 New Pages Added: 1 new tip page: Help buying stained glass, updated info on the about me page, and 3 window set's for skycity. Including lot's of new links, and more FREE PATTERN links. > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 1:35 PM > To: Art For All > Subject: Re: Cracked Lids > > > > Hello Mike, et al. > > This is a new one for me... > I wonder if you are using too hot an iron? > When my students venture into c/f, they invariably make boxes as > a first object (and a second one,....and a third one as a present for > someone). > > I have not come across cracked glass before. The only explanation > I can think of is the temperature of the iron, or temperature > shocks.... OR.... perhaps..... an already existing miniscule crack, > caused during initial cutting, which then "travels" when you apply > the iron. > I too will be interested in hearing what other folks have to offer on > this subject. > Where do you get your tubes from?? > Best Regards > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > Mike Ramsey in I-o-M, UK wrote: > Hi Folks > > A query, I have had problems when making flat lids for boxes, with the = > glass cracking when soldering the brass hinge tube on. The problem = > seems to arise when making a decent clean bead of solder between the = > foiled edge of the=20 > glass and the tube. > > I make my hinges from brass tubing soldered to the back edge of the box = > lid and "L" shaped piano wire pieces soldered into the back joints of = > the box itself. > > The problem does not always arise but seems to on the nicest ones, that = > well known law no doubt. Sometimes it is only apparent that the glass = > has cracked when cleaning up the lid in preparation for patinating the = > solder. > > Any ideas or tips? > > > > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Aug 29 21:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #423 built 2000-Aug-29) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Cracked Lids Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:37:10 EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I believe the problem with cracking is caused by to much heat with the brass tube conducting it. Let the work go cold between soldering passes. If you place the work on a very damp cloth the water will conduct the heat away very nicely. I have never cracked a piece of glass when soldering on a damp cloth. Cheers, Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 30 00:32:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #423 built 2000-Aug-29) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cracked Lids Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:35:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, One trick you might want to try is to have a damp towel under your lid as you solder the hinge in place. It will help keep the glass cooler. You have to be really careful to not leave the iron in one place too long. Remember that the brass conducts heat and will cool slower than the glass, thus glass will crack easier. Good Luck! Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 30 10:18:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:05:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #424 built 2000-Aug-30) X-Path: ucarb.com!stallijl From: "Stallings JL (Jeanne)" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: updates? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C012A2.0A81102A Content-Type: text/plain Hello! I'm a new viewer to the site & have a couple of questions. I joined Listbot & checked the archives, but everything was dated 1999 or previous. 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I'm a new = viewer to the site & have a couple of questions.  I joined = Listbot & checked the archives, but everything was dated 1999 or = previous.  None of the classes I checked were for 2000 = either.  I sent an inquiry but it was returned as = undeliverable.  Is there an alternate website?  Has this one = been abandoned?  Help!!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C012A2.0A81102A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 30 12:21:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #424 built 2000-Aug-30) X-Path: massed.net!wmagdycz From: "Elaine" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: hinge tube method Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:13:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C0128C.780CCC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, Can you possibly explain how you do this, or is it too long for this = list? Thanks. Elaine ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve Richard=20 To: Art For All=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Cracked Lids (attn: Ann Baxter) In addition I have developed a method of placing the tube under the lid so it is unseen until the box is opened. It also provides a rest for the lid, so no chain is needed to keep the lid from falling back on to the table surface and possibly cracking. Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C0128C.780CCC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve,
Can you possibly explain how you do = this, or is=20 it too long for this list? Thanks. Elaine
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In addition I have developed a method of placing the = tube=20 under
the lid so it is unseen until the box is opened.  It = also=20 provides a
rest for the lid, so no chain is needed to keep the lid = from=20 falling
back on to the table surface and possibly=20 cracking.
Steve

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------=_NextPart_000_021A_01C0128C.780CCC80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 30 18:02:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #424 built 2000-Aug-30) X-Path: yahoo.com!n_carnes From: N Carnes To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Empty Emails Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I'm fairly new to Bungi. It's been interesting reading up on a new hobby that I really love. However, I am perplexed by some emails that has a subject line and has no information on them. What seems to be the problem? I have been experiencing them more & more lately. Fellow glass lover, Noriko ===== http://creations-by-noriko.safeshopper.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Aug 30 20:58:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #425 built 2000-Aug-30) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: hinge tube method Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:33:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000930203321.00d71804@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk I'm trying to visualize this as well, and failing. Dee > > In addition I have developed a method of placing the tube under > the lid so it is unseen until the box is opened. It also provides a > rest for the lid, so no chain is needed to keep the lid from falling > back on to the table surface and possibly cracking. > Steve > > --- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 31 08:04:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #426 built 2000-Aug-31) X-Path: bright.net!arasai From: "Sarah" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: New Book Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:46:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Clear DayHi Fellow Bungians! I am in the process of compiling a new book which will be a "Workbench Companion" type of book, for glass crafters. The basis for this book will be a combination "helpful hints" and a troubleshooting guide. I'm writing this for beginners and advanced crafters alike. I realize that a lot of people don't have access to the internet, so they don't have the advantage of getting help like we do here on Bungi. If any of you would like to contribute to this manual, you will be properly credited for your contributions, and I plan to have a studio listing for any contributors who would like to list their studio name and information. (A little free advertising...) The subjects I am covering are pretty basic to a shop, things like shop safety, soldering technique/problems, patina tech./problems, repairs on lamps, panels, 3-D, etc. covering both the copper foil and lead came methods, and any other tip or problem that anyone has encountered and resolved. There will have to be a misc. section. If you would like to send a contribution, please be sure to include your name, studio name and such for proper credit. You can send your information to me by e-mail to arasai@bright.net, or snail-mail to my studio: White Dove Creations 905 Gray Ave. Greenville,OH 45331 If you would like to include pictures or drawings, that would be fine. A big Thank You in advance to all!!!! Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Aug 31 16:02:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #426 built 2000-Aug-31) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Info on Bridgeport Art Glass Company Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Fellow bungians....This person is looking for information (specifically, a catalog) from the old Bridgeport Art Glass Company out of Bridgeport, CT. Anyone got a lead on this? Christie A. Wood - IGGA Exec. Director North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:DHLYANKEE@aol.com, INTERNET:DHLYANKEE@aol.com To: [unknown], INTERNET:info@igga.org Date: 08/29/2000 10:42 PM RE: IGGA Feedback = TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, = = = I AM LOOKING FOR ANY INFORMATION RE. AN OLD ART GLASS C= O. = LOCATED IN BRIDGEPORT, CT. I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN OUT OF BUSINESS FOR MANY= = YEARS. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO SEE A XEROXED COPY OF ONE OF THEIR OLD CATAL= OGS. = THE COMPANYS NAME WAS - BRIDGEPORT ART GLASS CO. LOCATED AT 153 JOHN STR= EET, = BRIDGEPORT, CT. THE OWNER WAS JOSEPH HUBERT. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN = PURCHASING A COPY OF ANY OF THEIR CATALOGS ( THE ONE I SAW WAS CATALOG #8= 82). = THE CATALOG WAS COPYRIGHTED IN 1910 BY THE NATIONAL ORNAMENTAL GLASS = MANUFACTURERS OF THE UNITED STATES. PLEASE HELP ME LOCATE WHAT I AM LOOKI= NG = FOR. THANK YOU, DIANE H. LEE 35 SILENT GROVE NORTH WESTPORT, CT. 06880 DHLYANKEE@AOL.COM OR CALL COLLECT TEL.# 203-227-0689= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass