From owner-glass Sat Jan 1 07:39:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 07:18:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: webtv.net!bj75 From: bj75@webtv.net (Bill Kirkwood) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: information Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:16:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please send any new things and some ideas you have for patterns on stepping stones. Thank you. Jean Kirkwood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 1 09:39:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 09:14:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: -60 degrees F. Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 12:12:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I understand that the person who mentioned it was -60 degrees lives in Alaska--I had to look it up for myself--it's true!--so if some Southerners on list have never experienced the other side of the coin, look here: http://www.travelalaska.com/homepage.html best wishes, joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 1 12:33:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!elmel1 From: "Mel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Remove my name Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:15:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove my name from your list. Thank you. elmel1@home.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 1 20:33:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:25:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: magicnet.net!wizard1 From: "Richard & Mary DeLancey" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: List Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 21:10:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF549C.A79BCC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would appreciate your adding me to your list. I learned about you = from Skip Hodge at Southern Exposure Glass in Winter Garden, FL. Thanks. Richard DeLancey wizard1@magicnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF549C.A79BCC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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wizard1@magicnet.net ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BF549C.A79BCC20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 14:35:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:15:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: re,re uk artists Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 22:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk thanks for your reply Toby. a little background then. i've been involved in stained glass for 8 years, mostly as a hobby, but now feel its time to try and make it pay. so this year its find a studio and more outlets for my work. i tend to like mythical subjects, country scenes, kalidascopes and celtic patterns. also i enjoy leadwork and traditional styles. i teach (only as a stand in tutor) stained glass at a community workshop in Norwich. all the best charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 14:57:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: more help please. Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk thanks for your help, now the next one. 63/37 solder for decorative work . anyone know of a uk supplier other than tempsford. cheers charlie. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 16:39:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:03:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Making large suncatcher with assorted scraps Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 19:02:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My sister ordered this last night? She wants some sort of design in the middle & then assorted scraps filling a frame somewhere around 1' x1' or larger. Has anyone made one of these & is there a name for it? How much would you charge? It sounds like more work than a pattern to me? What do you think? Thanks in advance, Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 17:02:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:12:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: magicnet.net!topcat From: "Catherine Williams" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: glass creations Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 18:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi! Another stained glass enthusiast referred me to you for stained glass info. Is this a newsletter? What info is available? Thanks, GlassCat ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 17:11:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: more help please. Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:17:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000103001738.007ac430@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk At 21:46 02/01/00 -0000, you wrote: >thanks for your help, now the next one. 63/37 solder for decorative work . >anyone know of a uk supplier other than tempsford. >cheers charlie. > How much are you looking for? I think we have 5 kilos or so in stock but I am typing from home and we wont be open till Tuesday. Give me a call after 10 am Tues onwards and I can give you a price if you are interested - but postage will bump the price up considerably. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth 01202 514734 Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 2 22:20:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:30:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #17 built 2000-Jan-2) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: topcat@magicnet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass creations Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:28:16 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, and Welcome, Bungi is a newsgroup (and much more), on which those interested in the glass arts share skills, information, resources, hopes, fears, triumphs, and sometimes frustrations, in pursuit of the art or craft (or both). I personally have benefited from it exponentially. One can participate in the various threads, or not, as you choose, but rarely, will you come away from reading group discussion, without learning something. Although I've yet to find the time to do so, you can also access a wealth of archival information. Like any group of individuals, we have those who are in need of a more positive attitude, but generally, all are well meaning. Richard Callahan Stained Glass Las Vegas, NV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 11:20:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 12:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:27:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Frame Suggestions needed Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk What do you suggest for framing a copper foil panel approximately 2' by 3' that will be going in front of an existing window in a bathroom? What is the best way to deal with the condensation problem that will inevitably show up between the two windows? Thanks again! Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 12:50:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:29:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The classic method of temporally holding glass on an easel is to use beeswax. Make 1/4" balls, warm a bit and use two or three compressed between the two pieces of glass. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 13:51:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:35:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline), Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:33:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Gail, I'm not sure what it's called in Canada, but in the UK there's a substance called Blue-tac that ought to work. In the US it's called Glue-Tac. You should be able to find it in any store that carries office supplies -- it's made for sticking posters, etc. to the wall without messing up the wall. Brad ------Original Message------ From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Sent: January 3, 2000 7:07:01 PM GMT Subject: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 14:34:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:26:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Gail HeinzeMiline Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:25:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Gail HeinzeMiline >I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! < Building the panel??? You mean painting or checking color... a temporary situation.... right? In that situation we use a combination of rosin and beeswax. We also use a North-facing window so have little trouble with the sun melting the wax and the glass dropping off. After cutting all the glass, painting/checking on the light easel, all the pieces of glass are tapped off and then built on the pattern as per usual. Best regards in the new year! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 15:04:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: US Source of tallow - flux for lead came work Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 22:43:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000103224304.007abbd0@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello all - I am forwarding this info from a non-bunginian who asked me to pass it on to anyone looking to get hold of tallow sticks for lead work. We use nothing else on our lead windows! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth (the other UK one!) =================================== From: "Victor Rothman" To: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:26:46 -0500 Hi Elizabeth, I see you are on the Bungi line. There was a lot of interest in Talo flux. I have been using it for over 15 years. It can be purchased at L.B. Allen Corp., 725 North Central Ave., Wood Dale Il. 60191, USA. Phone 708-595-6646. They call it "soldering stick" item # B-601. It cost about $1.75 USD. Since I do not belong to Bungi, I can not post this info myself, so I thought that you might what to. Vic Rothman ========== Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 16:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:53:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Undersea colors needed-- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 18:19:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone have a suggestion on what type/color glass to use on this project? Three colors will do for a start-- on an underwater scene of sand, sea, and a roving red lobster. I know that lobsters don't turn red until they're cooked--but no one wants a black, green, blue or yellow lobster---I know, I've made plenty of neon lobsters in these colors---and the folks just don't like 'em! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 16:36:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:25:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Gail HeinzeMiline , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Temporary adhesive for glass easle work Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:25:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Gail I have sometimes used plasticine, kid's modeling clay, to hold glass pieces on to mold. Elena in Spain Gail HeinzeMiline escribió: > I would like to know what is the best adhesive to use when building a > panel on a glass easle in front of a window. I have tried two-sided > tape, but it was a nuisance and didn't hold very well. Thanks! > > Gail in Nova Scotia > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 19:37:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:18:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutting larger HF (flat) lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:16:26 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 20:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:28:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutting lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:27:39 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! < Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers positioned from channel to channel. Then clean up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, would a picture be worth a thousand words! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be an easier way! Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 20:42:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:22:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: cutting larger HF (flat) lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:18:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com >Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without = mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using= a weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel = still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that= = don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! < Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers positioned from channel to channel. Then clean up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, would a picture be worth a thousand words! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 3 23:11:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: cutting lead Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:41:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Also remember that you can ease the leaves apart with a fid if you need to. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: cutting lead > Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead > without > mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a > > weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my > channel > still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that > don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > < > > Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! > Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers > positioned from channel to channel. Then clean > up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping > each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing > both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, > would a picture be worth a thousand words! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > > Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), > but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be > an easier way! > > Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? > > Kauriee > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 05:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting lead Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:22:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/3/00 11:40:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kauriee@aol.com writes: > Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead > without > mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a > > weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my > channel > still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that > don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > < > > Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! > Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers > positioned from channel to channel. Then clean > up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping > each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing > both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, > would a picture be worth a thousand words! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > > Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), > > but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be > > an easier way! > > Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? > YOu know, I've recently been cutting wide lead, which is rather thin flanged. I've had the best luck with cutting it with the knippers across the face of the flange, ( inother words mashing it down on purpose,) and then opening it with my lead knife, which I use after almost every cut anyway. this works pretty well, unless your flange is heavy, then if that's the case use your knife, and be careful to put the cutting strength into the heart only. The sharper your knife, the better this works, and do not assume that just because your knife is new it is sharp Some are not. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 06:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 05:45:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Warm glass web site Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk For anyone who's interested, I've put together a web site devoted to warm glass techniques like glass fusing and slumping. The site has a lengthy tutorial on basic processes and techniques, as well as information on lots of topics such as materials, health & safety, and troubleshooting. I'd be very much interested in hearing comments from anyone who visits the site. I'm also looking for a web host to host the site. All I need are a decent amount of storage space (not much graphics at present due to space limitations), a low price (free's nice, but don't want to have to have ads), and the ability to use a domain url. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please send comments to me by clicking on the comment portion of the site or by e-mailing to mbwalker@mail.com The url for the site is: http://pweb.netcom.com/~mbwalker/ Thanks in advance. Brad Walker ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 07:27:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:12:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: corecomm.net!ttarrier From: Tenlee Tarrier To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from your list. Thank you. Tenlee Tarrier ttarrier@corecomm.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 08:13:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:50:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Warm glass web site Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: <200001041540.KAA13748@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The url for the site is: http://pweb.netcom.com/~mbwalker/ Very nice. The only thing I'd suggest is to make the buttons on the left smaller and arrange it so they could be seen all the time, rather than have them disappear off the top as you scroll down. Other than that, the title of the page I looked at is 3 characters longer than search engine robots prefer ... at the moment, the page I looked at would be listed in a search engine as "Warm Glass: Fusing, Slumping, and Other Kiln Forming Techniq" ... see? the whole title's not there you're not taking advantage of META descriptions and keywords, which would make your site more visible to search engines (and more highly visited as a result) ... what this means is that the page that I looked at (for instance) would have a description consisting of the words it finds on the page: Warm Glass Fusing, Slumping, and Other Kiln Forming Techniques Click here to return to home page. Click here to e-mail your comments.   &nb If you add META description and keywords, you'll be much better off because you could control exactly what's said below the page's title as it appears in search engines. As for host space, I do that .. although I'm expensive, since all domains under my jurisdiction are put up on *five servers - New York, Virginia, California, Toronto (Canada), and Amsterdam (The Netherlands). If you're interested, see http://alldesigncom.com Nearly free ($2 month) hosting space is available from, among others, http://faq.web2010.com/index.shtml ... you have to handle all of the details yourself, though, including FTP and all that. Good luck with your site! I think it's a great start! Albert, former Exec. Dir., International Guild of Glass Artists Albert Lewis AllDesignCom.com | Design & Communications __________________________________________ 54 Cherry Street North Adams MA 01247 413 663-7946 Fax: 413 663-7167 http://www.alldesigncom.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 09:04:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:30:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:29:49 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your prayers! Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of new to this whole process so be patient with me! Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 10:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:31:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:35:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Kauree Yep, I've experienced that same magic myself...sharing problems at whatever level usually produces a variety of answers and quickly too. I don't have a came saw and haven't bought one for the following reasons: lead came is easy enough to cut with nippers that a saw isn't required. For brass and zinc came I use a dremel tool with cut off wheel, which iis less expensive and has way more uses than a came saw. I currently get only 2-3 commissions a year for brass came, so it's not cost effective. If I lived in an area where brass is more popular I would probably purchase one. So the answer to your question to buy or not buy a came saw is...it depends! And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw be made into a came saw for brasss by using an abrasive blade similar to the Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: Came cutting > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your > prayers! > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > Kauriee > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 12:10:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: MAIL.AOC.STATE.KY.US!KitW From: "Walden, Kit" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Protection during glass grinding Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I use a paper grocery bag. I cut half of the front out and sit the grinder inside the bag and I cut a small hole in the back for the cord. This allows any pieces which fling off to stay inside the bag, it protects the walls and me and it couldn't be any cheaper to use and replace. I also have the plastic face shield and I wear goggles, a respirator and I bought a long coat from a hair salon supply company to protect my clothes. I look like a mad scientist and love to see peoples' reactions when I answer the door in this getup. Happy New Year! p.s. tip to save fingers and hands while grinding--I use the accounting/filing tips for fingers and they work GREAT! I bought them at an office supply store and they have little nubs on them which keep the glass from slipping They have paid for themselves in not having to buy bandages and bandaids. Kit Walden Tuilelaith's Stained Glass > -----Original Message----- > From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [SMTP:Witchdoc3@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 3:58 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding > > > In a message dated 12/28/99 3:14:51 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: > > >I have a three sided splash shield that goes around the sides and back > >of my grinder. In top of this is a piece of 1/4" plate glass that is 1 X > 2'. > > At home I set up my grinder inside an old aquarium that's been turned on > its > side. At the shop we usually just wear goggles. (As soon as I can afford > it, > I'm going to invest in a pair of proper industrial safety glasses...... > I'm > in need of a new glasses prescription anyway.) > > >Ps: If I wanted to wear a gas mask I would have joined the Army. > > I hate the things too, but after my doctor nearly had a heart attack over > my > slightly elevated blood lead level a couple of months ago, I figure it's > worth it. And I absolutely swear by the face mask for puttying, because > the > turp and linseed fumes give me a headache (and I don't need to be > breathing > whiting dust anyway). > > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 12:28:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:07:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: cutting larger HF (flat) lead Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:00:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'd say less pressure on, and more wiggling of, the knife. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead without >mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a >weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my channel >still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that >don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 12:36:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:08:31 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kauriee, Unless you are using brass or zinc, I don't see the point. Lead knives or dykes cut much more quickly and just as accurately (with practice). Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it >into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your >prayers! > >Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of >new to this whole process so be patient with me! > >Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the >came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 13:32:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 13:07:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead-free solder-- Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:00:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I was up at Home Depot and picked up some lead-free solder made by Alpha Metals--no info. on the label other than *Silver bearing solder*. Anyone use this stuff? It's costly--almost $5 for 1/2 pound. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 14:31:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Joseph Augusta , glass Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Lead-free solder-- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:11:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Most of Alpha's solder is for industrial applications, rather than for stained glass work. I've never used it, but they do have a web site (complete with on-line catalog) at: http://www.alphametals.com/ Cole Sonafrank, who uses lead free solder exclusively, does have a web page that discusses lead free soldering: http://kokomo.gi.alaska.edu/leadfree.html Sonafrank says that he uses an industrial solder by a company called Johnson Manufacturing, so maybe the Alpha solder will work, too. Hope this helps. Brad Walker ------Original Message------ From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Sent: January 4, 2000 9:00:27 PM GMT Subject: Lead-free solder-- I was up at Home Depot and picked up some lead-free solder made by Alpha Metals--no info. on the label other than *Silver bearing solder*. Anyone use this stuff? It's costly--almost $5 for 1/2 pound. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 18:17:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:09:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Brad Walker Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Warm glass web site Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Brad Walker >For anyone who's interested, I've put together a web site devoted to war= m glass techniques like glass fusing and slumping. The site has a lengthy tutorial on basic processes and techniques, as well as information on lot= s of topics such as materials, health & safety, and troubleshooting. I'd b= e very much interested in hearing comments from anyone who visits the site.= < And, it's marvelous! All I can say is write that = book fast, Brad!! As far as hosting the website, maybe some glass organization like AGSA or IGGA will get smart and offer you some space... it's clearly educational. Speaking of warm glass, next issue of Common Ground:Glass will focus on the subject and Brad is our featured writer. Stay tuned! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 20:19:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 2000-Jan-3) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting lead Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:07:07 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kauriee, I have used a came saw to cut small 1/4" H came that crushes under the pressure of the knife and find that it is much easier than using lead dykes that waste so much lead because of the odd cut that you end up with . Never have liked lead dykes but,as for came saws they are very handy for many things around the shop.I even use mine to cut wood for frames that I make.I use a Jarmac but I'm sure that there are some other good ones out there. I'm sure that using a came saw on the larger came would work well in your case. I prefer the metal blade verses the fiber blades but that is just my personal preference,and since I do a lot of beveled windows I use it to cut a lot of zinc and it does this well.When cutting came with a saw I first mark the cut with my knife then just take it to the saw and preform the cut,and it is then cut to the right size just as if you had used the knife. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 4 22:16:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:58:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #20 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , "synergyglass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:49:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw >>be made into a came saw for brass by using an abrasive blade similar to the >>Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? Maybe yes and maybe no. I have a Glastar chop saw that takes four inch diameter metal and abrasive blades. The metal blade does a good job on lead, reinforced lead and zinc. It quickly wears out on brass. Cutting steel rebar is out of the question for the metal blade. The abrasive blade is excellent for zinc, brass and steel rebar. It quickly clogs up when used with lead. One of the reasons it is good for these metals is the fact that it is only .035 inch in thickness. A thicker blade would generate more heat, require more power and tend to chew up the thin brass and zinc as most of these cames are made from formed up thin sheet stock. Even with this blade the cuts require a small amount of dressing to clean up burrs. I do not know of .035 inch thick blades in larger diameters. I doubt they would be safe in general use. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 07:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: synergyglass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Came cutting Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 06:14:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone Yes you can use a common wood miter saw to cut came. I also work with wood allot, so I had an extra saw not being used at the time, and set it up for came. I use a 10" X 1/8" metal cutting fiber blade. You have to make a jig using two peace's of wood as a backing to support the came. Sense the blade is wide, it does require some clean up of burrs. But for me having perfect angle cuts is worth the time. Works great for me!! Lee Tollett synergyglass wrote: > Hi Kauree > > Yep, I've experienced that same magic myself...sharing problems at whatever > level usually produces a variety of answers and quickly too. > > I don't have a came saw and haven't bought one for the following reasons: > lead came is easy enough to cut with nippers that a saw isn't required. For > brass and zinc came I use a dremel tool with cut off wheel, which iis less > expensive and has way more uses than a came saw. I currently get only 2-3 > commissions a year for brass came, so it's not cost effective. If I lived > in an area where brass is more popular I would probably purchase one. So the > answer to your question to buy or not buy a came saw is...it depends! > > And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw > be made into a came saw for brasss by using an abrasive blade similar to the > Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 AM > Subject: Came cutting > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger > leads. > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to > your > > prayers! > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort > of > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > Kauriee > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 14:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:29:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:28:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk First of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > I have used two came saws (chop saws or miter saws). One is that cute new red > Diamond Tech, and the other is Gryphon. I'd recommend the Gryphon one because > you have a large screw with which you fasten the length of wood, came, etc. to > the guide, making certain the material doesn't shift from the pressure or > movement of the blade. This allows you to push the head down (which activates > the saw) with one hand, and hold the other end of the came, wood, etc. in the > other hand. With the Diamond Tech, you need three hands - one to hold each end > of the came, wood, etc. and one to push. Most people aren't built that way. > With the Diamond Tech, therefore you have one end of the came unsupported which > means you must hold much closer to the blade (not recommended) for stability and > the other end whips off uncontrolled. Doesn't seem all that safe. It's a joy > to cut with either of these saws, though, if you've been cutting zinc or brass > by hand. Zip and it's done. > > Understand, with these saws, you are meant to cut only narrow pieces of > material. Look at the blade when pushed to it's lowest level. It can cut no > wider than that, so it is not like a table saw where you push your material > continuously from the front. Neither of these are multiangle saws, either, > where the material can be angled and the head also angled. These saws will only > make a vertical cut. > > I've also seen the Inland one. It looks like a circular table saw in miniature, > with the flat surface and part of the blade rising thru a crack and visible > above the table surface. According to those who used it, it is practically > worthless for cutting the long thin strips of whatever, since they can't be > supported well and you have to get your hands much too close to the blade > (should be using a pusher, but no way to do that when supporting the material). > At least the one I saw didn't give you any way of controlling your angle for > mitered cuts. Maybe the newer ones do. > > Caveat: Do NOT use lead in these saws!!! Lead gums up the blade to the point > it is worthless for cutting anything else. And DO wear eye protection. - Cec > > Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your > > prayers! > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > Kauriee > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 14:36:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:29:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Secondof three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > I have used two came saws (chop saws or miter saws). One is that cute new red > Diamond Tech, and the other is Gryphon. I'd recommend the Gryphon one because > you have a large screw with which you fasten the length of wood, came, etc. to > the guide, making certain the material doesn't shift from the pressure or > movement of the blade. This allows you to push the head down (which activates > the saw) with one hand, and hold the other end of the came, wood, etc. in the > other hand. With the Diamond Tech, you need three hands - one to hold each end > of the came, wood, etc. and one to push. Most people aren't built that way. > With the Diamond Tech, therefore you have one end of the came unsupported which > means you must hold much closer to the blade (not recommended) for stability and > the other end whips off uncontrolled. Doesn't seem all that safe. It's a joy > to cut with either of these saws, though, if you've been cutting zinc or brass > by hand. Zip and it's done. > > Understand, with these saws, you are meant to cut only narrow pieces of > material. Look at the blade when pushed to it's lowest level. It can cut no > wider than that, so it is not like a table saw where you push your material > continuously from the front. Neither of these are multiangle saws, either, > where the material can be angled and the head also angled. These saws will only > make a vertical cut. > > I've also seen the Inland one. It looks like a circular table saw in miniature, > with the flat surface and part of the blade rising thru a crack and visible > above the table surface. According to those who used it, it is practically > worthless for cutting the long thin strips of whatever, since they can't be > supported well and you have to get your hands much too close to the blade > (should be using a pusher, but no way to do that when supporting the material). > At least the one I saw didn't give you any way of controlling your angle for > mitered cuts. Maybe the newer ones do. > > Caveat: Do NOT use lead in these saws!!! Lead gums up the blade to the point > it is worthless for cutting anything else. And DO wear eye protection. - Cec > > Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger leads. > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to your > > prayers! > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort of > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > Kauriee > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 15:05:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:30:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: cutting lead + Re: tips] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:27:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk First of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > I have a pair of bent needle nose pliers (jewelry type) that are the handiest > things. One of the uses is for straightening the flanges on came, whether > hobby, or regular copper/brass/zinc/lead. Another use is for peeling old > solder/foil from projects I'm repairing. I also use them to hold blobs that > have been foiled or for decorative metal stampings while tinning. And that's > just the beginning. Other than the soldering iron or glass cutters, they are > probably the most used tool I have. > > The chief advantage is holding things at the bend. Imagine bending your fingers > and then holding something between two of your fingers. And with unfoiling, I > use the bend to scrape (and hopefully grab). > > You can probably purchase them at a hobby store that carries jewelry supplies > (beeds, etc) or metal modal car kits, or the wood for making miniature airplanes > etc. Best $10 you can spend. Don't get anything big - they should be quite > small. > > There is another kind of jewelry plier which I have. It is a more specialized > tool, not used a lot, but when needed, it is just the thing. These are a type > of needle nose, except that each needle (each nose?) is conical. They are great > for bending wire. > > Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > > > Can anyone give me some advice on how to cut the larger size HF lead > > without > > mashing the channels together or mangling it totally? I have tried using a > > > > weighted lead knife (new and sharp) working it from side to side...my > > channel > > still gets crushed. My only experience is with the HR profile leads that > > don't crush as easily and can be cut with lead nippers. Please help! > > < > > > > Boy, this'll be a tough one to put into words! > > Cut the lead first with nippers... with nippers > > positioned from channel to channel. Then clean > > up the slight distortion of the leaves, by snipping > > each leaf individually with the nippers, not smashing > > both together. Does that make sense?? Boy, > > would a picture be worth a thousand words! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dani Greer > > Greer Gallery & Studios > > > > Thanks Dani for your advice. I ended up trying what you explained (I think), > > but I thought that I was doing it all wrong!! I thought there has got to be > > an easier way! > > > > Oh, I almost forgot...how does one access the archives? > > > > Kauriee > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 15:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:30:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Third of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no idea why they didn't make it to bungi. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > This is only a guess but I'd say you could get a diamond blade for them. If > so, yes they certainly could be used. > > My principal use of the little chop saw is for making frames. Frames are by > far the most expensive part of almost any displayed item. I have a lot of > posters and prints, and there is no way I can afford to get them framed > commercially, or even at the do-it-yourself framing places, or with prefab > frames. Obviously, if you want wood frames for glass panels, it too is > cheaper. Of course that won't help with circular or oval panels, but most of > us probably don't do a lot of those. - Cec > > synergyglass wrote: > > > Hi Kauree > > > > Yep, I've experienced that same magic myself...sharing problems at whatever > > level usually produces a variety of answers and quickly too. > > > > I don't have a came saw and haven't bought one for the following reasons: > > lead came is easy enough to cut with nippers that a saw isn't required. For > > brass and zinc came I use a dremel tool with cut off wheel, which iis less > > expensive and has way more uses than a came saw. I currently get only 2-3 > > commissions a year for brass came, so it's not cost effective. If I lived > > in an area where brass is more popular I would probably purchase one. So the > > answer to your question to buy or not buy a came saw is...it depends! > > > > And here's a question for the group: could an ordinary wood chop/miter saw > > be made into a came saw for brasss by using an abrasive blade similar to the > > Dremel's cut off tool? Is such a blade made? Has anyone tried this? > > > > Carol Swann > > Synergy Glass & Creative > > www.igga.org/synergy > > seaspray@island.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 8:29 AM > > Subject: Came cutting > > > > > Thanks to all of you who responded to my question about cutting larger > > leads. > > > This message board is wonderful!! You have a question one day...type it > > > into the computer, and 'poof' the next morning there are the answer to > > your > > > prayers! > > > > > > Thank you Jim for telling me how to access the archives, I am still sort > > of > > > new to this whole process so be patient with me! > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions, comments, etc...regarding the use of the > > > came saws? Do they work well? Which one is recommended? > > > > > > Kauriee > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 16:40:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:21:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: kit walden Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:10:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk dear kit, I don't feel I can be much help on this. I have only really dealt with small local firms in my area. this area is extremely bad in providing jobs in this field, only paying minimum wage and expecting good design skills as well. my only suggestion is try the major companies in the UK, such as James Hetley(London). an appeal on bungi will bring you other companies that I'm not aware of no doubt. Other than that the craft fair circuit could be an option but stall prices could be frightening again some shops will take work but watch the mark up they want, they end up earning more than you. all the best in your search Charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 17:11:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:41:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bungi Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New thread---grinder head mystery Date: Wed, 05 Jan 00 17:41:11 Message-ID: <200001060041.RAA08687@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, When I bought a old guy's home studio out, one of the things that turned up was a brand new in the wrapper Inland grinder head.. no markings on the card... It's 1 5/8" long (not counting the brass barrel attachment) and is 1 1/2" in dia. It's white. I haven't taken it out of the wrapper, so it could be packed felt, but it's not very flexible, dry as it is.. Any clues out there? Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 18:11:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New thread---grinder head mystery Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001060041.RAA08687@mantis.privatei.com>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Candy wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > When I bought a old guy's home studio out, one of the things that turned up was a brand > new in the wrapper Inland grinder head.. no markings on the card... > > It's 1 5/8" long (not counting the brass barrel attachment) and is 1 1/2" in dia. It's white. I > haven't taken it out of the wrapper, so it could be packed felt, but it's not very flexible, > dry as it is.. > > Any clues out there? > > Candy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it sounds like a hole cutter. inland does make those. the largest head they make for grinders is 1". ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 20:49:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:11:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:11:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I only got 1 response? My sister ordered a foiled stained glass suncatcher/window (w/ frame?) 1 x 1 ft or larger. A design in center wit scraps surrounding it, Doesn't this sound like too much work? How much would you charge? Is it worth it? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 5 21:25:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:05:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:01:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Skip, Maybe Harbor Freight? Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 04:00:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:38:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:21:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 23:11 05/01/00 -0500, Ali wrote: >I only got 1 response? > >My sister ordered a foiled stained glass suncatcher/window (w/ frame?) 1 >x 1 ft or larger. A design in center wit scraps surrounding it, >Doesn't this sound like too much work? How much would you charge? Is >it worth it? > Sorry you feel neglected! Maybe people were too caught up in the time of the year celebrations. Probably like me they were not quite sure what you wanted advice on. Has your sister ordered it from you - so you want advice on how much to charge her - or from someone else - and you want to make sure she is not being overcharged? If the former then it is really a question of a) Do you want to make it? - if not suggest another pattern you would like to do. Stained glass as a hobby ought to be enjoyable!! Nothing is more depressing than having to do a piece you dont like just because you have been asked to do it. You often dont make such a good job of those kinds of projects as your heart is not in it. Those of us who make a living from the craft have to steel ourselves to putting our best efforts into work we are not that enthusiastic about if we have bills to pay, but those lucky people with a day job can pick and choose what they make. b) "Too much work" depends on how you personally like to work on projects. Some of our students amaze me by being happy fiddling with really tiny scraps of glass because they like to use up all those odd pieces, while others throw pieces into the scrap box that are 6 inches or so square because they cant be bothered messing about with small pieces!! (the rest of the students then fight over who gets to pick those pieces out and use them!!) Also some people are happier working strictly to pattern, so prefer a "proper design" while others like the feel of spontanaeity (sp?) you get when just putting pieces in where they fit, and often get just as effective a random pattern. c)How much is your time worth to you? We always suggest that you should get as much as you feel your work is worth - and that varies immensely from one crafter to another. Often people spend many hours slaving over a piece of work for family members and dont even charge them the materials cost! We usually suggest that you work out what it will cost in materials, add a bit for use of the tools/equipment - if lots of grinding is involved then charge a bit extra to allow for wear and tear - than add to this whatever you want to be paid for your time. If the total amounts to more than the potential "customer" thinks it is "worth" to them then dont make it - and spend your time doing something for yourself! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 04:04:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:13:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #21 built 2000-Jan-4) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Subject: Re: [Fwd: Came cutting] Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:20:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Cecily and Ralph Wood writes >First of three email replies that were sent yesterday afternoon, so I have no >idea >why they didn't make it to bungi. > >Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: ...cut..... >> I've also seen the Inland one. It looks like a circular table saw in >miniature, >> with the flat surface and part of the blade rising thru a crack and visible >> above the table surface. According to those who used it, it is practically >> worthless for cutting the long thin strips of whatever, since they can't be >> supported well and you have to get your hands much too close to the blade >> (should be using a pusher, but no way to do that when supporting the >material). >> At least the one I saw didn't give you any way of controlling your angle for >> mitered cuts. Maybe the newer ones do. >> >> Caveat: Do NOT use lead in these saws!!! Lead gums up the blade to the point >> it is worthless for cutting anything else. I disagree on the use of the Inland for lead. It works really well on lead calme. The blade that comes with it cleans itself of lead very well. The guide does have provision for any angle by means of a pivot and locking thumb screw. It is not very substantial, but works for non- production work. For production work, I devised my own guides at the angles I needed. The major problem is assembly of the product. The problem after that is the poor quality motor. So don't expect a long life in production work. For other work it will be fine. I set mine up so that its work surface was at the same height as the neighbouring work bench. This supports the uncut parts of the calme. You could arrange things so the grinder and the saw table were interchangeable next to your work bench. I still don't see why you would want to do all the work of marking the angle on the calme, taking the calme to the saw, adjusting the guide to the appropriate angle, put on the goggles, turn on the saw, make the cut, turn off (and at the end of the day empty the off-cut particles from the machine). It would be much quicker to cut with the lead knife. All you have to do with it is to sharpen it regularly (say every half day) on an oil or Arkansas stone. >And DO wear eye protection. - Yep! Very important. It is surprising how far the swarf can be thrown. So if you are near the machine, you will be hit strongly with lead particles. Eye protection is a MUST! IT is also important that you do not use your fingers to directly push the items to be cut. You MUST use a guide or pusher to manipulate the lead, zinc, brass, etc., near the blade. It cuts the lead and other soft metals so quickly that you could loose whole fingers in a fraction of a second. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER use a table saw without a guide or pusher! Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 04:04:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 03:38:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass , Joyce Koenig , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA" Subject: NG Rules for Living Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 06:42:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some good thoughts on how to live. If luck comes with the transmission, we can all use some. Skip past the start and start reading the rules. Elsie > > FOR GOOD LUCK AND GOOD LIFE IN YEAR 2000 AND THEREAFTER, > > > > THE FOLLOWING IS A NEPALESE GOOD LUCK TANTRA TOTEM. > > > > > > > > This tantra totem has been sent to you for good luck. It has been sent > > > > around the world ten times so far. You will receive good luck within > > > > four days of relaying this tantra totem. Send copies to people you think > > > > > need good luck. > > > > > > > > Don't send money as fate has no price. Do not keep this message. The > > > > tantra totem must leave your hands in 96 hours. > > > > You will get a very pleasant surprise. This is true, even if you are > > > > not superstitious. > > > > > > > > INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > > > > > > > > 1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. > > > > 2. Memorize your favorite poem. > > > > 3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you > > > > want. > > > > 4. When you say, "I love you", mean it. > > > > 5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye. > > > > 6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married. > > > 7. Believe in love at first sight. > > > > 8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't > > have much. > > > > 9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only > > > > > way to live > > life completely. > > > > 10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling. > > > > 11. Don't judge people by their relatives. > > > > 12. Talk slowly but think quickly. > > > > 13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile > > and > > ask, "Why do you want to know?" > > > > 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. > > > > > 15. Call your mom. > > > > 16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. > > > > 17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. > > > > 18. Remember the three R's: Respect for self, Respect for others, > > > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > > > 19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. > > > > 20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to > > correct it. > > > > 21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your > > voice. > > > > 22. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their > > conversational skills will be as important as any other. > > > > 23. Spend some time alone. > > > > 24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > > > 25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > > > 26. Read more books and watch less TV > > > > 27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think > > back, > > > > you'll get to enjoy it a second time. > > > > 28. Trust in God but lock your car. > > > > 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can > > to > > > > create a tranquil harmonious home. > > > > 30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current situation. > > > > Don't bring up the past. > > > > 31. Read between the lines. > > > > 32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. > > > > 33. Be gentle with the earth. > > > > 34. Pray. There's immeasurable power in it. > > > > 35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered. > > > > 36. Mind your own business. > > > > 37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you > > kiss. > > > > 38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > > > 39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while you > > > > are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction. > > > > 40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke of > > luck. > > > > 41. Learn the rules...and then break some. > > > > 42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for each > > > > > other is greater than your need for each other. > > > > 43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. > > > > 44. Remember that your character is your destiny. > > > > 45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > > > > > > Now, here's the FUN part! Send this to at least 5 people and your life > > > > will improve. > > > > > > > > 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly. > > 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking. > > 10-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks > > 15 and above: Your life will improve drastically and everything you > > ever dreamed of will begin to take shape. > > --------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mail6.bellatlantic.net ([151.201.0.38]) by immta2.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000105190025.YQPC17980.immta2@mail6.bellatlantic.net> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:00:25 -0500 Received: from ahlacomm.healthlawyers.org (ml.nhla.org [207.196.94.194] (may be forged)) by mail6.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24806 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by ml.nhla.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:49:49 -0500 Message-ID: <616C8B1207F7D111923800805FBB567E540166@ml.nhla.org> From: Elizabeth Turqman To: "Elsie Turqman (E-mail)" , "Eric Turqman (E-mail)" Subject: FW: (no subject) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not a big believer in these, but I liked the advice. > > LUCK AND LIFE > > > > FOR GOOD LUCK AND GOOD LIFE IN YEAR 2000 AND THEREAFTER, > > THE FOLLOWING IS A NEPALESE GOOD LUCK TANTRA TOTEM. > > > > This tantra totem has been sent to you for good luck. It has been sent > > around the world ten times so far. You will receive good luck within > > four days of relaying this tantra totem. Send copies to people you think > > need good luck. > > > > Don't send money as fate has no price. Do not keep this message. The > > tantra totem must leave your hands in 96 hours. > > You will get a very pleasant surprise. This is true, even if you are > > not superstitious. > > > > INSTRUCTIONS FOR LIFE > > > > 1. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. > > 2. Memorize your favorite poem. > > 3. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you > > want. > > 4. When you say, "I love you", mean it. > > 5. When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye. > > 6. Be engaged at least six months before you get married. > 7. Believe in love at first sight. > > 8. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't > have much. > > 9. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only > > way to live > life completely. > > 10. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling. > > 11. Don't judge people by their relatives. > > 12. Talk slowly but think quickly. > > 13. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile > and > ask, "Why do you want to know?" > > 14. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk. > > 15. Call your mom. > > 16. Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. > > 17. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. > > 18. Remember the three R's: Respect for self, Respect for others, > > Responsibility for all your actions. > > 19. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. > > 20. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to > correct it. > > 21. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your > voice. > > 22. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their > conversational skills will be as important as any other. > > 23. Spend some time alone. > > 24. Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values. > > 25. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer. > > 26. Read more books and watch less TV > > 27. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think > back, > > you'll get to enjoy it a second time. > > 28. Trust in God but lock your car. > > 29. A loving atmosphere in your home is so important. Do all you can > to > > create a tranquil harmonious home. > > 30. In disagreements with loved ones, deal with the current situation. > > Don't bring up the past. > > 31. Read between the lines. > > 32. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality. > > 33. Be gentle with the earth. > > 34. Pray. There's immeasurable power in it. > > 35. Never interrupt when you are being flattered. > > 36. Mind your own business. > > 37. Don't trust a man/woman who doesn't close his/her eyes when you > kiss. > > 38. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before. > > 39. If you make a lot of money, put it to use helping others while you > > are living. That is wealth's greatest satisfaction. > > 40. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a stroke of > luck. > > 41. Learn the rules...and then break some. > > 42. Remember that the best relationship is one where your love for each > > other is greater than your need for each other. > > 43. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it. > > 44. Remember that your character is your destiny. > > 45. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon. > > > > Now, here's the FUN part! Send this to at least 5 people and your life > > will improve. > > > > 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly. > 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking. > 10-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks > 15 and above: Your life will improve drastically and everything you > ever dreamed of will begin to take shape. > --------------AD8E66325A87D1A30ED22ADA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 06:08:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 05:43:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:41:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by alipea >My sister ordered a foiled stained glass suncatcher/window (w/ frame?) 1= x 1 ft or larger. A design in center wit scraps surrounding it, Doesn't this sound like too much work? How much would you charge? Is it worth it?< 1x1 ft square copper foil - framed in ?oak? I would charge somewhere between $100-$125 depending on the complexity of the design. Is it worth it? Only you can call that on= e. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 07:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:39:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea), glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Ali's suncatcher/window Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Ali wrote: <> Ali, Here's an interesting example of the difference between fusing and stained glass work. If we assume that the glass just is just scrap glass (therefore it's free), then the major cost involved is the labor to put it all together. Once we've created the design, traditional stained glass work calls for you to foil and solder, then patina. How many hours will that take? Fusing, by contrast, calls for you to just put the arranged scraps in a kiln and fire. No foiling, no soldering, no patina, no cares about how small the scraps are. Of course the final results will look different (no soldering lines, for instance), but fusing is an interesting alternative way to make suncatchers. (Assuming you have the kiln, of course.) The buttons from my site are all details from bowls I've made. If you look at them, you'll see that while they don't look like stained glass work, they could (perhaps with some design changes)make a great suncatcher/window, too. You can see the buttons at: http://pweb.netcom.com/~mbwalker/ (The buttons for "Equipment" and "Troubleshooting" are taken from bowls that were both made using scrap glass in the way described above. The bowls each took about half an hour (an hour at most) in labor and sold for around $65 each -- $90 to 100 retail). If they were flat pieces (rather than bowls), they could have been profitably sold for even less.) (I apologize if anyone thinks this reply is an ad for my web site. It isn't meant to be -- I just thought the point about fused vs stained glass was worth mentioning.) Brad ------Original Message------ From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Sent: January 6, 2000 4:11:16 AM GMT Subject: Posted this on Jan 1? I only got 1 response? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 09:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:06:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Kalidoscope Question Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:03:16 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings all for the New Year! My goal, in part for this year is to make some Kalidoscopes. I have kits & made 1 in class a couple of years ago. My question is re the oil scopes, not the wand ones. I was in the twin cities last fall & caught the scope display at Southdale Mall. The scopes that interested me the most were the ones with the oil filled wheels, they were just magical to look at! Does anyone know how they are made? Or where I could get intouch with someone who does. I emailed Kalido.com 2x with no response. TIA Karlene from Wisconsin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 09:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:20:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Brad Walker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ali's suncatcher/window Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Brad Walker wrote: (I apologize if anyone thinks this reply is an ad for my web site. It isn't meant to be-- OK, you win, I looked! Nice stuff! I really wanted to look at the Advanced material, but since I'm not Advanced I didn't want to cheat--- best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 09:55:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:07:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Posted this on Jan 1? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:58:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk any consideration for the skill level of the.........not to mention ( I just did) how may pieces were involved in this endeavor? When someone asks me how much does a "shade" costs without being more specific, my usual answer is to equate it to: how much does a car cost?" enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 13:40:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:23:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk My ISP is changing mail servers!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 15:01:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:37:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:03:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather than foil--how would you do it? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 17:08:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:33:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "glass" Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:18:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk the question is why would you do it??? pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Augusta" To: "glass" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Engineering problem > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 17:38:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass does it really have to be came? i suppose the only way you could do it is to buy sheet lead. the glass would have to be glued or it will slide around. finding the lead may be more difficult though. old gutter supplies might be one source. or a lead apron place. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 21:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:51:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I would fuse the panel and use clear class to fill in where the colored panels are short. Would end up with a 12 X 10 X 5/8" glass tile with no chance of crud getting between the layers. Bob in 92026 Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 21:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:17:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #22 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: aol.com!Carlross From: Carlross@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: diamond bandsaws Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:14:27 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk HI all, I'm new to this group and I'm in the market for a diamond bandsaw and am stuck between the taurus II or the gryphon c -90, but leaning more toward the gryphon. The tuarus looks more like tupperware to me than studio equipment, but I've heard nothing but good things about it. I've had trouble though finding specs on the gryphon beyond sales pitches. I'm curious of it's horsepower, weight and power consumption. Also if there are any opinions as to the quality of the product I'd greatly appreciate them. I'll be using it for cutting fused glass 1/4" - 1/2" sheets for slumping and slumped peices for incorporation in panels. 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Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: New Toyo cutter Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:35:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Here is some information on the new Toyo cutter as discussed on the Prodigy glass bulletin board. Bob in 92026 (also CATS, Bob) Skorzglas writes: >But now I have a question. It says it "features a barrel with an adjustable >four-position saddle." No instructions come with it and I can figure out two >positions - if you're familiar with the saddle which comes in two pieces, >one would be putting the saddle closest to the oil bladder and the other >would be putting the saddle closest to the gold screw on top. That would put >your hand closer or further away from the cutter itself. Is anyone familiar >with the new cutter or does anyone have a web site address for Toyo (Glass >Accessories International is the manufacturer). Thanks!! Jane > > >glassman >Moderator posted 01-05-00 01:15 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Jane, >I have one of the new Toyo cutters. >The part with the projection can be placed either up or down. The round >spacer can be placed above or below it. Ergo: four positions. I put the >projection in the web of my hand. > >When I first got my cutter it was very uncomfortable to use. Then I >discovered how to adjust it. It is now my favorite cutter. The tapping >action (slight) of the wheel seems to do a better job of scoring. I cut a >bunch of complex bevels from !/4" plate glue chip stock yesterday and had my >best luck yet with this material. > >I think this cutter is a winner. > >------------------ >CATS, Bob > > > >skorzglas >Member posted 01-05-00 11:17 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Bob, thanks for the info - duh didn't think about reversing the "saddle." I >loved mine from the minute I put it in my hand - am using it with the small >spacer at the top and the saddle in the lowest position, thus putting my >finger closest to the cutting wheel; but men have larger hands so probably >you have yours adjusted upward. Shouldn't they include directions, or are >most people not as dumb as I am - please don't answer that ? It is THE >most comfortable cutter I've ever had. Jane > >glassman >Moderator posted 01-05-00 04:46 PM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >I suspect that I have larger hands than you do but I have my cutter rigged >the same with the saddle down and the spacer on top. >It seems to oil better too. There is a valve rather than a wick. > >Good cutting. > >------------------ >CATS, Bob > > > >ronray >Member posted 01-06-00 03:44 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Duh --- >Thanks to you two, I went and looked at the cutter which I had been using >for a couple of months and loving it. Admitting to my stupidity I didn't >even realize it was adjustable and was just using it as it came from the >supplier with the spacer at the bottom of the barrel. Moved it above the >support wand and it seems even more comfortable. A really incredible tool, >and I don't have to keep cleaning up spilled oil. >------------------ >Ron Ray > > > >skorzglas >Member posted 01-06-00 11:02 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Maybe the manufacturer needs to wake up and put instructions with the cutter >for people like "us" . Jane > >glassman >Moderator posted 01-07-00 01:07 AM >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >You're sure right about the need for a good instruction sheet. Toyo Pistol >Grips come either two or three to the box. There is one sheet of >instructions per box. They've been doing this for years. Go figure. >Was using my tapper cutter today and it sure did the job. Made a long score >in 1/4" plate glass and broke it out with my hands. Previously would be >placing the score at the edge if the table, raising the glass and slamming >down to get the score to run. > >I am not sure but I THINK the wheel and axle are one piece and the axle is a >square or hex. When the cutter is pulled along at a good rate I can feel the >vibration that the cutter seems to be making. Someone said this drives the >score deeper into the glass. Perhaps so but I have had better luck with >light scores rather than heavy when using the older style Toyo cutters or >any other for that matter. > >I don't think the new heads can be used with existing grips. There seems to >be a small size difference. > >I feel this is a must buy item. Retail should not be more than $40.00. If it >saves glass it will quickly pay for itself. > >------------------ >CATS, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 6 23:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:28:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , "Tom" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Toyo cutter Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:21:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>Bob, What is the address of this discussion group? Did you post it before? Thanks. Tom<< I don't think you can access the Prodigy chat boards unless you are a Prodigy member. The glass board is a sub board under the crafts board. If anything really good comes along I am likely to repost it here. Bob in 92026 Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 00:31:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:13:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Toyo cutter Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:12:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Tom, Here is the page for the Prodigy glass board. http://crafts.bb.prodigy.net/craftsb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=St ained+Glass&number=17&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin= You may be able to read the board but not post to it. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 06:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 05:52:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:51:02 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/6/00 8:09:17 PM, artglass@waterw.com writes: >the question is why would you do it??? That's what my Enquiring Mind wants to know.... but who knows what evil lurks in the minds of artists? :-) As for the "how," if I read the original post right you've got 5 pieces, each 12" in one direction. Prob noblem. Frame each piece in U came, stack 'em up and solder the edges together just like you would with copper foil. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 11:32:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #24 built 2000-Jan-6) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Engineering problem Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:23:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph: Not sure what you are trying to achieve but there are several possibilities you could think about: (1) Since you are using cathedral glass you could use the ultra-violet adhesive and use lead came around the outside borders only; (2) Copper foil the panels and solder them together where they touch each other; or (3) Wrap each rectangle with lead came and solder them where each joins another. What are you making? Peggy On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, Joseph Augusta wrote: > Say you want to make a panel--a rectangle in cathedral glass--12'' wide > by 10" high, and you want to put another--different colored-- rectangle > in front of it--same width, but just 8" high. then more, same width, but > 6", 4", and finally 2" high--making 5 layers in all--using came rather > than foil--how would you do it? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 21:04:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:40:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #25 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Keeping inventory Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:14:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF5964.EE8BBC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are thinking about using Access to keep a running inventory (perhaps = running queries monthly or weekly to add in newly made items and take = out sales) (those tables would also keep track of sales). 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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF5964.EE8BBC40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 7 21:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 21:21:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #25 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Selling Diamond Laser Speedster Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 21:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Used once and purchased less than a year ago. Price $175.00 plus shipping (weighs approx. 20 pounds) 2 year guarantee still good and comes with 2 new blades. Will be sent in original box to you. If interested email me off group. See ya Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 07:06:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 06:37:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: aol.com!GlasLdy From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: SG Biz For Sale Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:36:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I don't know if I should be doing this on the list but after seeing Pam put the laser saw up for sale ......I thought I would let everyone know I am offering my SG business on eBay. So if you are on the east coast or midwest and have thought of starting your own or adding a wholesale division to your existing biz please e-mail me off list. It's really quite a deal! Thanks, and I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes. Janice http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232136755 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 11:06:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 10:47:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:GlasLdy@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SG Biz For Sale Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:GlasLdy@aol.com >I don't know if I should be doing this on the list but after seeing Pam put = the laser saw up for sale ......I thought I would let everyone know I am = offering my SG business on eBay. So if you are on the east coast or midwest = and have thought of starting your own or adding a wholesale division to your = existing biz please e-mail me off list. It's really quite a deal! Thanks, and I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes. Janice < Are you kidding?? This is what networking is all about. Can't imagine why anyone would be offended by it.... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 17:54:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 17:32:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: the power of one n/g Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:34:57 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Hart To: Bob Michael ; Joshua Michael ; Uncle Wayne & Aunt Kay ; Sue Michael ; Stephanie Ann Michael ; Rick & Anita Richmond ; Rexx & Sheila Bradley ; Nick & Byrda Hart ; Lori & Tito ; Leah Michael ; Koester Pavilion ; Keith W. Hart ; Jim & Judy Kaster ; Aunt Margie & Larry Snyder ; com@mail.bardstown.com ; Amy Michael Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: Fw: the power of one >this one is really good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >-----Original Message----- >From: TAYJAY94 >To: Jenny ; Jeff ; Diane >; Dad & Mary ; Clarissa >; Chris ; >Murray ; Rhonda ; Lynda ; >linda >Date: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:15 PM >Subject: the power of one > > >>the power of one! >> >>>> One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my class >>>> was walking home from school. His name was Kyle. It looked like he was >>>> carrying all of his books. I thought to myself, "Why would anyone bring >>>> home all his books on a Friday? He must really be a nerd." I had quite a >>>> weekend planned (parties and a football game with my friends tomorrow >>>> afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on. >>>> >>>> As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him. They ran at >>>> him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he >landed >>>> in the dirt. His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass >>>about ten feet from him. He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in >>his eyes. My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him and as he >>crawled >>>around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye. As I handed >>him his glasses, I said, "Those guys are jerks. They really should get >>lives." >>>> >>>> He looked at me and said, "Hey thanks!" There was a big smile on his >>face. >>>It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude. I helped him pick >up >>>his books, and asked him where he lived. As it turned out, he lived near >>me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before. He said he had gone to >>>private school before now. I would have never hung out with a private >>school kid before. We talked all the way home, and I carried his books. He >>turned >>>out to be a pretty cool kid. I asked him if he wanted to play football on >>>Saturday with me and my friends. He said yes. >>> >>>We hung all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I liked him. >>>And my friends thought the same of him. Monday morning came, and there was >>>Kyle with the huge stack of books again. I stopped him and said, boy, you >>>are gonna really build some serious muscles with this pile of books >>>everyday!" He just laughed and handed me half the books. >>>> >>>> Over the next four years, Kyle and I became best friends. When we were >>>> seniors, we began to think about college. Kyle decided on Georgetown, >and >>I was going to Duke. I knew that we would always be friends, that the miles >>>would never be a problem. He was going to be a doctor, and I was going for >>>business on a football scholarship. >>>> >>>> Kyle was valedictorian of our class. I teased him all the time about >>being a nerd. He had to prepare a speech for graduation. I was so glad it >>wasn't >>me having to get up there and speak. >>>> >>>> Graduation day, I saw Kyle. He looked great. He was one of those guys >>that really found himself during high school. He filled out and actually >>looked >>>good in glasses. He had more dates than me and all the girls loved him! >>Boy, sometimes I was jealous. Today was one of those days. >>>> >>>I could see that he was nervous about his speech. So, I smacked him on the >>>back and said, "Hey, big guy, you'll be great!" He looked at me with one >of >>>those looks (the really grateful one) and smiled. "Thanks," he said. >>>> >>>> As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began. "Graduation >>is a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough years. >>Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach... but mostly >>your >>>friends. I am here to tell all of you that being a friend to someone is >the >>>best gift you can give them. I am going to tell you a story." >>>> >>>> I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the story of the >>first day we met. He had planned to kill himself over the weekend. He >talked >>of >>how he had cleaned out his locker so his mom wouldn't have to do it later >>and >>was carrying his stuff home. He looked hard at me and gave me a little >>smile. >>>"Thankfully, I was saved. My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable." >>I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy told us >>all about his weakest moment. I saw his mom and dad looking at me and >>smiling >>>that same grateful smile. Not until that moment did I realize it's depth. >>> >>>Never underestimate the power of your actions. With one small gesture you >>can change a person's life. God places us in each other's lives to effect >>>another in some way. Look for God in others. >>> >> >> >> >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 8 20:29:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:14:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #27 built 2000-Jan-7) X-Path: aol.com!gfc20002 From: gfc20002@aol.com To: babyboomer203@hotmail.com Subject: Reverse Aging 10 To 20 Years Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <200001090405.XAA02979@howa.lib.md.us> Precedence: bulk Medial News -- Anti-aging Breakthrough-- You Can Grow 10 to 20 Years Younger As announced on NBC News, Dateline NBC, 20/20, Oprah Winfrey and many other news programs and talk shows, you can stop the aging process and actually reverse it. 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Simply click here - http://650814153/ -- and select the unsubscribe button at the top right side of the page. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 16:03:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:56:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: IGGA Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 17:33:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website?? Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little aplet. Thanks! Sharon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 17:44:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:35:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Sharon Milliken" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sharon, The igga site was hit by hackers. Christie told me on Friday that they expected to have it back up on Saturday. Guess they all took the weekend off. I'm anxious to have it back also. Any word, Christie? Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Milliken To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: IGGA > Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website?? > Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little > aplet. Thanks! Sharon > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 18:05:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:41:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wierd things happening Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 20:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Dave, you may be interested in this! A while ago when I posted a message to bungi about IGGA someone named Marinell was in a stained glass pattern website and got my e-mail. She said she didn't even know what Bungi was. She didn't say which website but I still have her e-mail if you want to investigate further.Sharon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 18:49:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:30:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sharon Milliken >Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website??= Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little aplet. Thanks! Sharon< We had a hacker and are in the process of moving the site to a new server... should be up again next week. Can you imagine anyone being so bored, they have to hack an innocuous little glass site??????? Glad you noticed, though.... was beginning to think nobody ever visited the IGGA website. You're only the fifth person to mention it was missing!!! Guess we had better make it a little more exciting for the members so we get more complaints when it's down! ROFLO. Cheers, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios IGGA Treasurer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 9 20:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:52:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #30 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: More lead questions Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:52:11 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Now for some more lead questions. I have successfully mastered cutting larger sized leads thanks to all the suggestions from the very helpful Bungians. Now, can someone please tell me how to bend the larger sizes without kinking them? Thank you again in advance! Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 03:53:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:46:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: plating question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:45:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk hi-need some advice/information Am making items that children will handle and thought I would investigate plating etc.(new at sg) If any of you have information/sites etc. I can access I would appreciate it. thanks in advance Shirley g. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 09:27:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:12:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: excite.com!Carolyn_Boring From: Carolyn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: no mail Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:51:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I haven't recieved any mail for about a week now...Help!! _______________________________________________________ Visit Excite Shopping at http://shopping.excite.com The fastest way to find your Holiday gift this season ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 11:29:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:09:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: SGriffiSBG@aol.com Subject: Re: plating question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:52:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Don't bother plating, fuse it instead. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, SGriffiSBG@aol.com writes >hi-need some advice/information > >Am making items that children will handle and thought I would investigate >plating etc.(new at sg) If any of you have information/sites etc. I can >access I would appreciate it. thanks in advance >Shirley g. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 11:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:09:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kauriee@aol.com Subject: Tight radius for broad lead (was:More lead questions) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk The degree of bend possible is directly proportionate to the width of the lead and whether it is flat or round. Round lead will form a smaller radius than flat, size for size. It is the nature of the material which requires shallow curves for wide lead and allows tight curves for narrow lead. It is one of the things to make use of in designing. However, If you want to appear to bend broad leads in a very tight radius, you can use a narrow lead to do the leading. Then add strips of lead to the in and out side of the curve. You do this by cutting the heart out of the narrow lead, smoothing the resulting two leaves and bend them to fit the curve. Then solder at the ends and sweat solder to the "real" came. Some would suggest doing this after all other soldering and finishing is completed. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kauriee@aol.com writes >Now for some more lead questions. >I have successfully mastered cutting larger sized leads thanks to all the >suggestions from the very helpful Bungians. Now, can someone please tell me >how to bend the larger sizes without kinking them? >Thank you again in advance! >Kauriee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 13:53:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:32:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA web site Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:31:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sharon Milliken >Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website??= Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little aplet. Thanks! Sharon< As several of you by now have noticed, the IGGA web site has recently experienced a HACKER doing some junk to the web site. Not to worry. The IGGA web site is backed up off-site, and is right now in the process of changing to another internet server provider, and is being restored from the backup files. We expect to be back up and running hack-free within the next couple of days. My thanks to Tim Atwood for being our IGGA backup man!!! And my thanks to "Art On View" (http://www.artonview.com) for being the new IGGA server. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 15:07:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:54:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: bellsouth.net!ladona From: Donna Helms To: Sharon Milliken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wierd things happening Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This is weird. Ever since I signed on to receive mailings from bungi.com, I've gotten eveybody and their brother's e-mail. Donna Sharon Milliken wrote: > Dave, you may be interested in this! A while ago when I posted a message > to bungi about IGGA someone named Marinell was in a stained glass > pattern website and got my e-mail. She said she didn't even know what > Bungi was. She didn't say which website but I still have her e-mail if > you want to investigate further.Sharon > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 15:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Re: Bungi Archive - General Amnesty Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:21:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to you both - Chris and Jim. I know I for one was totally overwhelmed by the pure mass of emails, what a learning experience! To quote a lovely elder I know, "There will be stars in your crown". Tami Tami Siddens Envision Success Professional Coaching/Consulting Services Member International Coach Federation tamis@soltec.net Attract an extraordinary life! "Just don't give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there is love and inspiration, I don't think you can go wrong." - Ella Fitzgerald -----Original Message----- From: Chris Kaiser To: Awbaxter@aol.com ; bungivols@yahoo.com ; embee@mediaone.net ; bobdu@prodigy.net ; gonzalj@freenet.tlh.fl.us ; jazzykid@tir.com ; kseeglass@netzero.net ; tifstyorig@juno.com ; CncptThnkr@aol.com ; rballard@icsp.net ; shigbee@mtcon.net ; brian.shepherd@ukonline.co.uk ; tamis@soltec.net Date: Monday, January 10, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Bungi Archive - General Amnesty >Anne, > >Thank you! > >I also wanted to take this opportunity to give my >heartfelt and warm thanks to Jim. Some of you may know >I started a new job in the beginning of November, >since that time I have had to put the Bungi project on >the back burner. Jim has totally stepped up to the >plate and taken responsibility, with good humor, and >without complaint. I am extremely grateful. 8D >All that has been done since that time was done solely >by Jim, and I know its been no small amount of work! >*hearty applause for Jim!!!* >My grateful thanks, >Chris >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 15:55:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:23:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: IGGA web site Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:21:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie Glad to hear it's getting solved slowly but surely. Here's an important question since I have over 1000 cards out with my web site as www.igga.org/synergy. Please, please, please tell me that the web site addy will be the same. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Christie A. Wood To: Bungi Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: IGGA web site > Message text written by Sharon Milliken > >Can anyone outin bungiland tell me why I can't access the IGGA website??= > > Are they experiencing some problem? All I get is some nasty little > aplet. Thanks! Sharon< > > As several of you by now have noticed, the IGGA web site has recently > experienced a HACKER doing some junk to the web site. Not to worry. > > The IGGA web site is backed up off-site, and is right now in the process > of changing to another internet server provider, and is being restored > from the backup files. We expect to be back up and running hack-free > within the next couple of days. > > My thanks to Tim Atwood for being our IGGA backup man!!! And my > thanks to "Art On View" (http://www.artonview.com) for being the new > IGGA server. > > Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director > Art Glass Ensembles > North Wales, PA USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 16:28:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA web site Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk And my thanks to Christie Wood, Executive Director of the International Guild of Glass Artists for handling the situation so quickly and professionally. Am looking forward to seeing the IGGA site up and running again soon and even more so to the exciting changes! Thanks Christie! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios IGGA Treasurer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 17:07:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:53:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wedding Picture Frame Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:48:44 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Would any of you out there in Bungiland happen to have a picture frame pattern or picture of a picture frame that would be appropriate for a Wedding Gift. I am going to a wedding this Saturday coming up (nothing like waiting to the last minute) so I would have to have a pattern by Thursday at least. Thanks in advance, I have faith that someone will come through for me. Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 17:26:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:19:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: plating question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:15:48 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk what is fusing? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 18:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:37:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:37:58 -0500 Message-ID: <200001110236.VAA15302@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Greetings Friends, My partners and I have been approached about constructing a wine-cellar door. There will be a mahogany door constructed; size of opening for glass is still up in the air, but I'll assume it's going to be on the order of 30 inches wide by 70 inches deep. The wine cellar itself will be kept around 50 degrees F., the basement in which it is located will probably be kept around 68-70 degrees. I had hoped we could construct the panel and have it lay flush with another piece of plate glass behind it. However the door manufacturer said he would be wanting at least 5/8 inch between the two layers for insulation purposes, so there goes my hopes for additional strengthening. To make matters more complicated, the owners want a design only on the left one-third, around the top, and going to the bottom on the right, of grapes and vines. This is to leave space to see a mural painted on the wall behind the door. They are adamant about not wanting anything else in the whole door but plain glass - not a solder line or rebar anywhere! I don't see how this can be doable unless we make an overlay only of the grapes and vines, attaching it to the one piece of plate glass installed in the door. Any thoughts/help/counseling would be greatly appreciated! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 10 21:36:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:28:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Picture frames Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:23:14 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This isn't really a picture frame pattern, but something that I do all the time for wedding gifts. I get a wonderful response from it as well! (not to mention, some business sometimes too!) Take the wedding invitation and trim it to fit a 4x6, 5x7 or oval bevel. "Sandwich" the invitation in between the bevel and a piece of clear glass. (pressed flowers in the corners make a nice touch too.) Use wide copperfoil to wrap both pieces of glass together. Cut thin strips (1/2") of colored glass that match the colors in the invitation to make a border around the bevel. Solder. Frame with 1/8" zinc came. Clean. (Be careful not to get it too wet, as it is not waterproof and moisture can get in-between the two pieces if you are not careful. You can put the picture frame back board on it to make it stand up, or you can hang it. You can also make it two sided (hinged in the middle) and make one side of it the invitation, and the other side a blank picture frame for the wedding photo. This is SO SIMPLE and quick! Hope this helps! Kauriee Would any of you out there in Bungiland happen to have a picture frame pattern or picture of a picture frame that would be appropriate for a Wedding Gift. I am going to a wedding this Saturday coming up (nothing like waiting to the last minute) so I would have to have a pattern by Thursday at least. Thanks in advance, I have faith that someone will come through for me. Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 00:44:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:29:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #31 built 2000-Jan-9) X-Path: post.com!spy2 From: spy2@post.com To: Friend@public.com Subject: INTERNET SPY Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 23:07:31 EST Message-ID: <200001110821.JAA07695@www1.mclink.it> Precedence: bulk //////////////////////////////////////// One time mailing, no need for removal. //////////////////////////////////////// CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION YOU WANT TO KNOW. 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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I recall that, some months ago, someone here mentioned in passing a well-known (?) picture of two lovers beneath a waterfall. I'm about to embark on building an en-suite bathroom, and wonder if it might make the basis for a SG shower screen design. Anyone know where I might find any Information about this picture? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 11:42:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:13:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: summer jobs available for s.g. artists Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:10:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folk. I'm passing this along, since it came into the IGGA email. I've heard of this group. They've been doing this international summer camp for years. In fact, a couple of years ago I considered applying for the position. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com, INTERNET:summer@hiddenvalleyc= amp.com To: [unknown], INTERNET:members@igga.org Date: 12/10/1999 7:37 AM RE: summer jobs = Hello. I would like to post the following on bulletin - jobs boards or in a college jobs newsletter Please let me know if you are able to do this ... Thank you Ellen L. Freeman ---------------------------- STAINED GLASS ARTISTS WANTED We look for mature, creative, independent people who possess interesting backgrounds and previous experience with children. Counselors teach or assist 4 workshops daily in areas that include waterfront (lake and pool), farm animal and llama care, English riding, crafts (including stained glass and pottery), B & W photography, theater, dance, guitar, sports, mountain biking, ropes course, and other outdoor activities. Counselors also live in a cabin with 1 or 2 other counselors and share responsibility for the care of a group of campers. -- HIDDEN VALLEY CAMP Freedom, Maine 04941 Peter & Meg Kassen - Directors An International Children's Community for Over 50 Years Email: summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com Phone: 800-922-6737 From Overseas: 207-342-5177 Fax: 207-342-5685 ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com Received: from whsun615.webhosting.com ([208.156.52.2]) by spamgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id HAA28828 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [209.90.192.3]) by whsun615.webhosting.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13549 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hiddenvalleycamp.com (1271-maine-56k.ime.net [209.90.241.6= 6]) by ime.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10487 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:37:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384FE860.6E08C4D8@hiddenvalleycamp.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 13:37:06 -0400 From: Hidden Valley Camp Reply-To: summer@hiddenvalleycamp.com Organization: Hidden Valley Camp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: members@igga.org Subject: summer jobs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; x-mac-type=3D"54455854"; x-= mac-creator=3D"4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 12:02:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Glass Art Society Conference Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a MIME-encapsulated message --fbf947d0-c85a-11d3-9548-00805ffe7e64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi again folk. Here's a press release from the Glass Art Society about the upcoming conference. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Glass Art Society, INTERNET:cynthiasharp@earthlink.net To: [unknown], INTERNET:members@igga.org Date: 12/15/1999 5:37 PM RE: Glass Art Society Conference Contact: Penny Berk, Executive Director Cynthia Sharp, Communications Director 206-382-1305 ---------------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Glass Art Society to hold its 30th Annual Conference Bridge to the Future June 8-11, 2000 in Brooklyn, New York hosted by UrbanGlass and Long Island University =85 Pre-Conference Brochure, with program and registration information, i= s now available from the Glass Art Society. =85 Registration begins January 15, 2000. The largest gathering of glass artists ever recorded will convene in Brooklyn, New York for the 30th anniversary conference of the Glass Art Society. Four days of demonstrations, lectures, panels, exhibitions, workshops, tours, technical display, and parties will provide 2,000 artis= ts and glass enthusiasts from around the world the opportunity to learn, and= share ideas, experience and technical innovations. Founded in 1971 by a handful of artist/educators who wanted to exchange information and ideas about the new technologies available, G.A.S. membership has grown to over= 2,500 and includes members from 45 countries. THE CONFERENCE PROGRAM =46rom Thursday's Opening Ceremonies in the Brooklyn Museum of Art and th= e Brooklyn Botanic Gardens to the Millennium Marbles Mania Tournament on Sunday, conference goers can expect non-stop activity. Glassworking demonstrations take place at UrbanGlass's 17,000 square foot facility in the mornings, while lectures, panel discussions, Technical Display, the Education Center and more take place in the afternoons at Long Island University. Lectures include topics as varied as Roman Glass: Window Int= o An Ancient World; Glass Seals and Thermal Expansion Compatibility; Forged= Glass Figurines and The Structure of Transparency. Panel discussions include Art Dealers in the Hot Seat; Blowpipe for Hire; Critics and Curators Look at Glass, and Emerging Artists, while demonstrations cover glassworking techniques such as lampworking, casting and blowing. Please= see page 3 for list of participating demonstrators, lecturers and panelis= ts. NEW FEATURES THIS YEAR The always-popular Education Center has grown so much it has been divided= into two parts: The Student Center and the Resource Room. The Student Center will allow students currently enrolled (or interested) in glass programs the opportunity to meet and exchange information on schools, scholarships and other items of interest. The Resource Room will emphasi= ze career and continuing education issues for the "lifetime student", with a= focus on individuals not enrolled in a formal program. The Student Auction, another new feature, will include works by G.A.S. Student member= s. Funds raised from the Auction will offset Student Center expenses and hel= p subsidize low student fees. G.A.S. AUCTIONS In addition to the Student Auction (see above), the Annual Auction and th= e Goblet Grab allow conference participants the chance to purchase unique works of art while supporting the Glass Art Society. A portion of procee= ds from the Goblet Grab go to the Craft Emergency Relief Fund, a non-profit organization. The Annual Auction is open to the public ($50 per ticket; contact G.A.S. for more information.) TECHNICAL DISPLAY The always-popular Technical Display gives attendees the chance to browse= and purchase glass-related materials and supplies. With 60 booths, the 2000 Tech Display will be the largest in G.A.S.'s history. EXHIBITIONS Galleries and museums throughout New York will mount glass-related shows = in conjunction with the G.A.S. Conference. The American Craft Museum shows work by Sandy Skoglund that includes glass dragonflies; Bard Center for Graduate Studies in the Decorative Arts features Roman Glass: Reflections= of Everyday Life, curated by Dr. Stuart J. Fleming of the University of Pennsylvania; the Brooklyn Museum of Art has a local focus with Explorin= g the Museum: 12 Artists Working at UrbanGlass; The International Student Exhibition takes place at Long Island University's Triangle Gallery; The Brooklyn Botanic Garden houses Glass Flowers by Paul Stankard: A Tribute = to Walt Whitman. D.U.M.B.O. Art Center highlights large scale glass installations and sculptures. The Friday Night Gallery Hop features more= than a dozen gallery openings in Manhattan and Brooklyn, offering attendees the rare opportunity to view multiple glass exhibitions in one evening. See attached for Exhibition details. TOURS AND TOURNAMENTS A tour of Greenwich Village Stained Glass Windows and a behind-the-scenes= tour of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's glass collection are two of the special fundraising events offered in addition to the regular conference program to those who wish to extend their conference experience. The Millennium Marbles Mania Tournament at Wollman Rink in Prospect Park is expected to be the world's largest! WORKSHOPS Conference goers can make the most of their trip to New York by attending= Pre- and Post-Conference Workshops. Held at UrbanGlass in Brooklyn, thes= e workshops offer hands-on experience in a variety of glassworking techniques, from beginning to advanced. Among the workshops offered are Kilnforming: Beyond the Basics; Techniques in Furnace-Blown Beads; Beginning Glassblowing; The Lampwork/Neon/Blowing Connection and The Figure: Painted and Sculpted. For more information on workshops and classes, contact Beth Lipman, UrbanGlass Education Director directly at 718-625-3685 x237; E-Mail urbaned@aol.com. AWARD RECIPIENTS; KEYNOTE AND LABINO LECTURERS Lifetime Achievement Award: Klaus Moje Honorary Lifetime Membership: Ginny Ruffner Keynote Speaker: Jamie Carpenter: The Structure of Transparency Labino Lecturer: Henry E. Hagy: Glass Seals and Thermal Expansion Compati= bility ARTISTS AND LECTURERS Demonstrating Artists as of 12/13/99 Hank Murta Adams Lucio Bubacco Suzanne Charbonnet Scott Chaseling John Drury Mark Ferguson Suellen Fowler Hans-Godo Fr=E4bel Katherine Gray Dante Marioni Robbie Miller Janis Miltenberger James Minson Klaus Moje Jim Mongrain Jay Musler Pike Powers The Bead Project Paul Stankard Jeff Zimmerman Lecturers and Panelists as of 12/13/99 Arlon Bayliss Magdalena Campos-Pons James Carpenter, James Carpenter Design Assoc., Inc. John Christie Arthur Danto Stuart J. Fleming Glass Axis Studio Henry E. Hagy Douglas Heller, Heller Gallery Carole Hochman, Barry Friedman Gallery Dinah Hulet Adam Kamens, Hot Soup Studio Joy Kelley Michael Krumrine Kim Levin Beth Lipman, UrbanGlass Brett Littman, UrbanGlass Bonita Marx, Marx-Saunders Gallery Thomas McEvilley David Medina Klaus Moje Chris Mount, Museum of Modern Art Kathleen Mulcahy, Pittsburgh Glass Ctr Shaelene Murray Dennis Oppenheim Justin Parker Shital Pattani, Staffordshire Univ., UK John Perreault, UrbanGlass Judy Pfaff Public Glass Studio Narcissus Quagliata Monona Rossol, A.C.T.S. Ginny Ruffner Ruth Shortt Lowery Sims, Metropolitan Museum of Art Robert Storr, Museum of Modern Art Ruth T. Summers Lawry Swidler Louis Thompson, Staffordshire Univ., UK Richard Whiteley The Glass Art Society (G.A.S.) is a non-profit organization of artists, educators, historians, students, collectors, critics, manufacturers and others interested and involved in the production, technology and aestheti= cs of glass. Each year G.A.S. holds an Annual Conference, publishes the annual G.A.S. Journal, bi-monthly G.A.S. Newsletter, and annual Membership and Educatio= n Roster. The Administrative office in Seattle, Washington, constantly fields contemporary glass-related questions. An active web site (www.glassart.org) provides ongoing information, conference, membership a= nd registration forms, and categorized links to members' web sites. 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//////////////////////////8= --fbf947d0-c85a-11d3-9548-00805ffe7e64-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 12:38:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:11:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" , "suzy" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:10:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001110236.VAA15302@smu0102.ComCAT.COM>> Precedence: bulk Look at a door I made at http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/hostud2.htm (construction detail at http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/hostud5.htm ). It is different than what you describe, but I think it may have some solutions to some of the construction problems you are describing. It has double layered glass (1/2 inch spacing). One layer is simple copper foil work. The other has no foil lines (it is colored, but it could just as easily be plain glass as you describe). For what you are describing there would be more glass and less wood in the overall design also. Plus it sounds like the woodwork is being done by another company which may have other specific methods they want to use. If after looking at the door and reading the construction descriptions, you feel any of what I did would be useful in your design, I can give more detail on the construction methods. If the client wants true double paned hermetically sealed glass for insulation, then you may need to do something different than what I did in the door above. I have thought about different possibilities for this in the past, but I have not actually done them. The general idea would be to start with two plain sheets of glass the final size for the glass portion of the door. The design would then be rendered onto one of the sheets (or possibly both) with either etching, fused (kilned) glass paints or chemically bonded coloured glass or some combination of these. The finished sheets would then be taken to a window manufacturer for standard spacing and sealing just as if it was any other custom hermetically sealed double pane window. One possible problem with this method that I have not researched is building codes and the maximum size and minimum height off the ground for non-tempered glass. Many building codes require any single sheet of glass over a certain size and/or extending below a certain minimum height above the ground to be tempered. I have no idea if glass paint would survive the tempering process and I sincerely doubt chemical bonding could. Though I suppose chemical bonding could be done on already tempered glass (kiln temperatures for glass paints would remove the tempering of already tempered glass I would think). Anyway, this would need to be looked into. Good luck. It sounds like you have a really interesting design problem here. I will be interested to know what you come up with. ----- Original Message ----- From: suzy To: glass bungi line Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! > > > My partners and I have been approached about constructing a wine-cellar > door. > > > > Any thoughts/help/counseling would be greatly appreciated! > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 13:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:43:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bettina Eberle book Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does there happen to be anyone on the list who speaks German and/or lives in Germany? I've identified the German edition (original language) of Bettina Eberle's Glass Fusing book (Faszination Glas, 1997) and am trying to locate someone who can find a copy and see if it has any information about a source for the materials used in the book. (Long shot, I know, but long shots sometimes come in.) Brad Walker ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 14:08:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:33:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Tim & Adriana Atwood Subject: Re: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:32:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If you want to paint and temper at the same time there are two kinds of colour you can use. In one case you use high temperature curing inks (750 degrees C) or on-glaze ceramic paints which cure between 720 to 780 degrees C. Both these are in the tempering heat range. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Tim & Adriana Atwood writes ...cut..... > I have no idea if glass paint would survive the >tempering process and I sincerely doubt chemical bonding could. Though I >suppose chemical bonding could be done on already tempered glass (kiln >temperatures for glass paints would remove the tempering of already tempered >glass I would think). Anyway, this would need to be looked into. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 15:47:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:09:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: How much do you pay? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all - I'm just wondering.... when you hire help, how much do you pay an experienced glass worker? I never pay less than $10 hour because I = sub-contract the work (don't want any extra bodies in my work space!), so I usually end up with pretty experienced workers with their own work space. I've been kind of surprised at the low wages around the country.... would also be interested in hearing from the international crowd. How about piecework? Do any of you charge by the job? Ya know, I don't think we've ever talked about this on bungi that I remember...... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 16:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:34:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: suzy Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Question about Large Door Construction - Help Please!!! Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:25:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, Can't the door just be fitted with an insulated unit, then the stained glass be retro-fit? As far as the stained glass design itself, can you do a straight border on three sides with the grapevine pattern contained within?.... then use only one piece of clear plate as your center piece of glass. In other words, build a panel that fits the opening with the center being clear plate glass. Maybe just = "cornerettes" would satisfy the customer, and if this were my job, I might also suggest sandblast to the customer. It's not a huge challenge, though, because of the environment.... the window won't = be subjected to a lot of heat or wind sheer, and the large center piece of plate glass will lend a = lot of stability to the panel. Good luck, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 17:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: Everyone , Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:01:42 -0000 Message-ID: <200001120104.BAA28815@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi Dani, In UK we have recently had iontroduced to us the so caslled "national minimum wage"; it's about 4 pounds an hour ( x 1.6 = USDollars). If I employ a cleaning lady to clean my hiouse, the expected rate is UK Sterling 5/hour; a garage mechanic charges about UK Sterling 20/hour; a lawyer (out in the sticks) about UK Sterling 60/hour. Crafts-people at fairs will find it difficult to sell their goods if they price them much above UKSterl.5/hour. A stained glass charachter called "Paul ....." around Oxford area, who has written books, teaches and so on, charges between UKSterling 3000 - 10,000 for his free-standing pieces (Which is why they appear at fair after fair after fair....) So if you go for sub-contracting in USA, I would say that you would not expect to get a decent job done, below USD 10 - 15 per hour. Pay per piece...hmmmm... don't think so. But I DO believe in deducting monies for a shoddily executed piece. And there again.... I DO know YOUR way of showing exactly what you want. Is this any help???? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Hi all - > > I'm just wondering.... when you hire help, how > much do you pay an experienced glass worker? > I never pay less than $10 hour because I = > > sub-contract the work (don't want any extra > bodies in my work space!), so I usually end up > with pretty experienced workers with their own > work space. I've been kind of surprised at the > low wages around the country.... would also be > interested in hearing from the international > crowd. How about piecework? Do any of you > charge by the job? > > Ya know, I don't think we've ever talked about > this on bungi that I remember...... > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 17:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:22:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:16:46 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/11/00 2:32:50 PM, alan@inter-prog.co.uk writes: >Anyone know where I might find any Information about this picture? Yup....... it wuz me what first mentioned it. Here's where I found it: Treasury of Art Nouveau Design and Ornament selected by Carol Belanger Grafton Dover Books ISBN# 0-486-24001-0 Published 1980. I read somewhere that it was an illustration for a German art journal called *Jugend* (the Germans referred to their brand of Art Nouveau as "Jugendstil"). The artist's name is Alfred Roller. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 18:07:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:48:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: Dani Greer , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:20:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk This is really something I'm interested in..because I do contractual work for resale much of the time. I am told that $1 per piece of glass manipulated is "standard" and fair. I don't know. I work for this rate because I need the work and don't know any better. However, many of the pieces I do are 3-D, attaching glass to "bodies". Many times I don't make $10/hour. I will be interested to hear what others pay or charge. Thanks for bringing it up Dani because I've been thinking about asking. You did it nicer than I would have! Sharon Dani Greer wrote: > > Hi all - > > I'm just wondering.... when you hire help, how > much do you pay an experienced glass worker? > I never pay less than $10 hour because I = > > sub-contract the work (don't want any extra > bodies in my work space!), so I usually end up > with pretty experienced workers with their own > work space. I've been kind of surprised at the > low wages around the country.... would also be > interested in hearing from the international > crowd. How about piecework? Do any of you > charge by the job? > > Ya know, I don't think we've ever talked about > this on bungi that I remember...... > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 19:05:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:58:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:54:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk We just started selling SG a few months ago and weve been talking to our friends (2 who've been in the business for 20 yrs or so) 1 says when pricing a piece - its $3 per piece for a friend & 5 per piece for strangers. Our other friend says it should be $5 friends / $8 strangers. So basically we are a bit confused. We live near NYC. We've made a few custom pieces 42 pieces 10" x11" and we charged $180 per suncatcher. Does that sound correct? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 11 20:34:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:03:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:05:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001120104.BAA28815@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Means I work for dirt! :o) Toby wrote: > > Hi Dani, > > In UK we have recently had iontroduced to us the so caslled > "national minimum wage"; it's about 4 pounds an hour ( x 1.6 = > USDollars). If I employ a cleaning lady to clean my hiouse, the > expected rate is UK Sterling 5/hour; a garage mechanic charges > about UK Sterling 20/hour; a lawyer (out in the sticks) about UK > Sterling 60/hour. Crafts-people at fairs will find it difficult to sell their > goods if they price them much above UKSterl.5/hour. > A stained glass charachter called "Paul ....." around Oxford area, > who has written books, teaches and so on, charges between > UKSterling 3000 - 10,000 for his free-standing pieces (Which is > why they appear at fair after fair after fair....) > > So if you go for sub-contracting in USA, I would say that you would > not expect to get a decent job done, below USD 10 - 15 per hour. > Pay per piece...hmmmm... don't think so. But I DO believe in > deducting monies for a shoddily executed piece. And there > again.... I DO know YOUR way of showing exactly what you want. > Is this any help???? > > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > Hi all - > > > > I'm just wondering.... when you hire help, how > > much do you pay an experienced glass worker? > > I never pay less than $10 hour because I = > > > > sub-contract the work (don't want any extra > > bodies in my work space!), so I usually end up > > with pretty experienced workers with their own > > work space. I've been kind of surprised at the > > low wages around the country.... would also be > > interested in hearing from the international > > crowd. How about piecework? Do any of you > > charge by the job? > > > > Ya know, I don't think we've ever talked about > > this on bungi that I remember...... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dani Greer > > Greer Gallery & Studios > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 03:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 03:16:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: inter-prog.co.uk!support From: "Alan Faiers" To: "Glass@Bungi.Com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:11:13 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk >Anyone know where I might find any Information about this picture? Yup....... it wuz me what first mentioned it. Here's where I found it: Treasury of Art Nouveau Design and Ornament selected by Carol Belanger Grafton Dover Books ISBN# 0-486-24001-0 Published 1980. I read somewhere that it was an illustration for a German art journal called *Jugend* (the Germans referred to their brand of Art Nouveau as "Jugendstil"). The artist's name is Alfred Roller. Sparks My local library had a copy! And they let me photocopy the page!! Now all I have to do is turn it into a design I can manage... It just so happens that I'm starting a new class with Elisabeth this evening.... Thanks so much for your help. Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 04:00:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 03:36:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: support@inter-prog.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 06:35:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/12/00 6:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, support@inter-prog.co.uk writes: > > > > >Anyone know where I might find any Information about this picture? > > Yup....... it wuz me what first mentioned it. Here's where I found it: > > Treasury of Art Nouveau Design and Ornament > selected by Carol Belanger Grafton > Dover Books ISBN# 0-486-24001-0 > Published 1980. > > I read somewhere that it was an illustration for a German art journal called > *Jugend* (the Germans referred to their brand of Art Nouveau as > "Jugendstil"). The artist's name is Alfred Roller. > > > Sparks > > My local library had a copy! And they let me photocopy the page!! > Now all I have to do is turn it into a design I can manage... > It just so happens that I'm starting a new class with Elisabeth this > evening.... > Thanks so much for your help. > Alan > This sounds like quite a project. I can't imagine.... Will we see the end result? Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 06:02:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:39:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi , Shakeel Abedi , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA web site back up Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:34:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The IGGA web site is back up. Thank you for your patience while we dealt with the hacker. The web site is now on a different server. My thanks again to Tim Atwood for the backup, and to Art On View, our new web site provider. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 06:06:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:39:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Fused glass and bevel work Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:38:49 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF5D45.69CC8180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends I am desperately in need of some good sites with fused glass panels. I = am trying to present some possibilities of huge fused glass panels made = of clear glass to go as partitions to client and am finding it difficult = to explain. I have only two days left and not enough time to make a = small sample piece. Same goes to beveled doors and entryways. Clear glass, no color in it. Anyone know of any site. Thank you in advance. Shakeel Abedi ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF5D45.69CC8180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF5D45.69CC8180-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 10:09:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:02:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:04:03 -0500 Message-ID: <200001121802.NAA03716@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk on this day you wrote: >> My local library had a copy! And they let me photocopy the page!! >> Now all I have to do is turn it into a design I can manage... >> It just so happens that I'm starting a new class with Elisabeth this >> evening.... >> Thanks so much for your help. >> Alan You're starting a class with *Elisabeth* this evening? God Bless You my child. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 11:01:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:47:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Non-Glass Related Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:46:11 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just wanted to share some news with you all. Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back pregnant! (Now to decide on some names) -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 12:31:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:23:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:21:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk CONGRATULATIONS, Glenna!! Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 12:41:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:35:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: mailhost.ind.ameritech.net!diamonds2 From: Mary Austin To: webmaster@delphiglass.com, artglass@SpectrumGlass.com, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New address Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:30:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: N/A Precedence: bulk Please start sending to my new email address as I truely miss all that is going on. diamonds2@ameritech.net Mary Austin Thanks, Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 13:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:49:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:33:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Dani, I work in a collaborative studio where a number of people carry out their own business. We band together to do some jobs and hire one another to help with jobs. The rate applicable is related to the work to be done. Simple assembly and finishing tasks are generally paid out at 5 pounds per hour (national minimum wage is 3.60)., For more sophisticated work designing, cutting, painting etc. is usually paid on a price for the work concerned. E.g. I would expect to pay our most experienced painter about £300 for a couple of square feet of painted glass (if figure work is concerned that would be doubled). Designing and cutting are usually paid in relation to the value (and expected profit margin) on the main job. If I am supplying the materials (usually), and the sub-contracted person is doing the whole job, I subtract 20% from the whole job and deduct the materials costs, and offer almost all of the remainder to the sub-contractor. Sometimes, they don't take me up on the offer, but mostly they do. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Dani Greer writes >Hi all - > >I'm just wondering.... when you hire help, how >much do you pay an experienced glass worker? >I never pay less than $10 hour because I = > >sub-contract the work (don't want any extra >bodies in my work space!), so I usually end up >with pretty experienced workers with their own >work space. I've been kind of surprised at the >low wages around the country.... would also be >interested in hearing from the international >crowd. How about piecework? Do any of you >charge by the job? > >Ya know, I don't think we've ever talked about >this on bungi that I remember...... > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 13:15:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:50:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: alipea Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:49:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by alipea >Our other friend says it should be $5 friends / $8 strangers. So basically we are a bit confused.< I'd say this is closer to a price that will keep you in business.... and think about this concept of charging friends and family less.... why? Does your friend, the dentist, charge you less? The plumber friend? Discounting their fees as much as you are?? Almost 40%?? If it makes you feel good to do this with friends and family, I would = say 20% is adequate at the most. Trust me, it will keep you from feeling too much resentment when even your dearest friends take advantage or don't appreciate you as much as you'd like..... trust me on this one. Best, Dani (who would have been out of business years ago if she depended on her family for income...) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 13:25:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:50:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: alipea Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:40:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk But, Ali, how much would you pay someone else to do it for you? Would you pay 180 dollars to someone to make a 42 piece suncatcher? or less? how much less? This is not pricing but paying others to do the work. I find (even) I am not willing always to pay others what I would like to be paid. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, alipea writes >We just started selling SG a few months ago and weve been talking to our >friends (2 who've been in the business for 20 yrs or so) 1 says when >pricing a piece - its $3 per piece for a friend & 5 per piece for >strangers. Our other friend says it should be $5 friends / $8 >strangers. So basically we are a bit confused. > >We live near NYC. We've made a few custom pieces 42 pieces 10" x11" and >we charged $180 per suncatcher. Does that sound correct? > >Ali > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 13:39:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:07:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Non-Glass Related Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Glenna Rand >Just wanted to share some news with you all. Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back pregnant! (Now to decide on some names) < Congratulations!! Now, before things get too = out-of-hand, none of the names you all came up with for little Meric can be re-cycled, understand??? I think one of my favorite Hawaiian names for a = little girl is "Malia". Will you add that to the list of possibilities? Now be careful with that glass work, Glenna! Take some extra precautions.... = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 13:56:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:10:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:06:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Richard >E.g. I would expect to pay our most experienced painter about =A3300 for a couple of square feet of painted glass (if figure work= is concerned that would be doubled).< When we were doing glass painting for other studios, we started at $200 s.f. for simple painting, $250 and up for painting with multi-firings. And, as you say, figure work is substantially more. (Though, for me, detailed architectural elements are more difficult really.) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 14:38:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: How much do you pay? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:17:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I trust you are correct, Dani. Thanks for giving others your good advice. Tom From: "Dani Greer" : Message text written by alipea : >Our other friend says it should be $5 friends / $8 : strangers. So basically we are a bit confused.< : :.................................snipped.............................. : say 20% is adequate at the most. Trust me, it : will keep you from feeling too much resentment : when even your dearest friends take advantage : or don't appreciate you as much as you'd like..... : trust me on this one. : : Best, : : Dani (who would have been out of business years : ago if she depended on her family for income...) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 14:50:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:21:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Glenna Rand" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Congratulations, Glenna! Tom in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenna Rand" : Hi everyone, : : Just wanted to share some news with you all. : Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back : pregnant! : (Now to decide on some names) : -- : Glenna Rand : gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 15:37:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:23:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: esatclear.ie!glassman From: Tony Dutcher To: glass mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: A restoration question Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:57:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I just signed up to the list and think its great...here goes my first question: I'm working on restoring a window made by an English studio, maybe Powell, but I'm not sure. I have a feeling that the window could be dated from the 1870-1900. The window is made up of 5 sections, each 53 inches by 56 inches. These are very large windows and because of the inadequate support system they were badly damaged. The windows are made of a tessellation of three different small shapes of glass, I have a math problem available for those that would like to figure out the tessellation. The shapes of glass have a low relief on them and are painted in the relief. it appears that the paint was over fired on nearly all of the pieces. they were also silver stained to a lower temperature on the smooth side of the glass. At first i believed that the glass was cast into metal molds, there are hundreds of pieces per panels. I tried to reproduce them by casting precut shapes into a plaster mold. I fired kokomo (closest color match) to 1500 F and at a rate of 100 degrees per hour and soaked for and hour. I was unable to get the fine detail of the original pieces. I have to replace about thirty of the thousands of pieces. I was thinking that if i cast them with frit i might do better, but can anyone provide some professional hints such as how to measure displacement and some example firing seclude with frits, i was also wondering if anyone had experimented with a casting flux, even ceramic grade frits used to flux low fire glazes. In the discussion of how the pieces were originally made, the possibility of the glass being "stamped" as it came directly from a crucible was mentioned, however i would be unable to reproduce them in this manor. Any hints would be greatly aprecieated. Thanks, Tony ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 17:24:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:10:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "glass bungi line" , suzy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:02:06 -0000 Message-ID: <200001130108.e0D18eo29851@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Huh..? Who? What...? Alan has "survived" another evening in my tender mercies and has been returned home in ONE piece, I'll have you know, my dear Suzanne A. Other than that, glad to see that you're in fine fettle! Have been missing your banter for a long time,.... but then I suppose we have both been snowed under with this and that. The Lovers Beneath a Waterfall design is actually quite an exciting design, but needs tidying up for s.g. purposes. I might actually use elements of it myself. Thank you Sparks for that! I have a commission for 7 panels of "Sea Scape" but didn't fancy putting shrimps all over it.... As regards photos, well... all my students (especially in At Home Studio) get subjected to the camera.... so yes I guess so. But I'll let Alan talk for himself. Take care now. Elisabeth 'n Toby (guarding 16 kgs worth of fluffy Meric Monterey!!) in UK > on this day you wrote: > > >> My local library had a copy! And they let me photocopy the page!! > >> Now all I have to do is turn it into a design I can manage... > >> It just so happens that I'm starting a new class with Elisabeth this > >> evening.... > >> Thanks so much for your help. > >> Alan > To which Suzanne Albright replied: > You're starting a class with *Elisabeth* this evening? > God Bless You my child. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 17:33:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:21:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Tony Dutcher Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: A restoration question Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:18:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Tony Dutcher >The shapes of glass have a low relief on them and are painted in the relief.< Are these a definite pattern? Or just a texture in the glass? If a definite pattern, they may well have been done using a deep acid etch... you might want to experiment with that.... Steve Richard could give you some good pointers in that direction. He's a fellow bungian. Tell us = more as things develop! P.S. We've never had much luck with frit and probably wouldn't waste the time.... others might disagree with me. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ I presume the IGGA site is back! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 19:57:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:30:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: mail.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: WarmGlass dot com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:29:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk For anyone who's interested in fusing information, I have relocated my web site to www.warmglass.com I've also made a few improvements to the site, including: -- added information on glass polishing and finishing -- added glass coaster project as first fusing project -- added some info on cutting out glass circles -- added additional links in Resources section Next step is to finish up some of the info in the advanced section (glass painted, for example) and to add more pictures. Along those lines, if anyone has a small kiln (Quickfire 6 or similar) and can create a digital photo for me to have on the site, I'd be grateful. Also still looking for photos of industrial glass equipment of any type. I'm also working on the Gallery of warm glass items Thanks to those of you who commented on the site. And a special thanks to Intrastellar for agreeing to host the site. Brad Walker For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 20:01:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:39:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:26:16 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Congratulations Glenna Best wishes from Malaysia. Shakeel Abedi > Hi everyone, > > Just wanted to share some news with you all. > Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back > pregnant! > (Now to decide on some names) > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 20:19:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:54:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Sea Scape was;Re: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:22:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001130108.e0D18eo29851@mercury.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- I have a > commission for 7 panels of "Sea Scape" but didn't fancy putting > shrimps all over it.... > Oh, yuck, add a couple of scallops, at least! (Unless you plan on doing the shrimp in puce, of course.) Actually saw a story on jellyfish on the news tonight. You know, the colors of jellyfish are lovely and would translate well to glass, but I don't know anyone who likes jellyfish enough to actually BUY a glass jellyfish, but you could sneak in a couple in 7 panels. Hmm, I have to come up with some fresh 1 foot square designs. Maybe a coral reef.... It's off to my Jacques Cousteau books for inspiration. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 21:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:36:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #32 built 2000-Jan-11) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Fused glass and bevel work Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:16:15 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Yes Pictures. Know of any site? Shakeel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Fused glass and bevel work > In a message dated 1/12/00 9:08:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > shakabe@pd.jaring.my writes: > > > > > Same goes to beveled doors and entryways. Clear glass, no color in it. > > > > Anyone know of any site. > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Shakeel Abedi > what do you nee? Apicture? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 12 23:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:52:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #33 built 2000-Jan-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , "Tony Dutcher" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A restoration question Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:49:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>I tried to reproduce them by casting precut shapes into a >>plaster mold. Plaster is a one time use mold material that often yields indifferent results. Try Mold Mix 6 or other mold material made for glass casting. >>I fired kokomo (closest color match) to 1500 F and at a >>rate of 100 degrees per hour and soaked for and hour. I was unable to >>get the fine detail of the original pieces. You can go much faster with small pieces of glass like you are firing. Kokomo readily devitrifies and so slow rates of advance are not good. It is best to use a good anti devitrification product like Spray A. 1500'F even without a soak should have yielded fine detail. Did your mold truly have the fine detail to begin with? >>I have to replace about >>thirty of the thousands of pieces. I was thinking that if i cast them >>with frit i might do better, but can anyone provide some professional >>hints such as how to measure displacement and some example firing >>seclude with frits, i was also wondering if anyone had experimented with >>a casting flux, even ceramic grade frits used to flux low fire glazes. Frit glass is likely to show the individual pieces of glass as opposed to the clarity of poured glass. I would continue to try with sheet glass. You can fire frit as fast as your kiln will go. The displacement thing is easy. Simply submerge an existing tile in a container of water and note the increase in water level. Using the same amount of start water load glass to be fused until the previously established level is reached. Measurement by accurate weight would work well also. Spray A is not only a good anti devitrification product but acts as a flux due to the low melting glass component. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 01:04:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:45:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #33 built 2000-Jan-12) X-Path: inter-prog.co.uk!alan From: "Alan" To: "Glass@Bungi.Com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Meeting Meric - was Re: Info. needed - Lovers Beneath a Waterfall... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:41:17 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I had the privilege last evening of meeting 'little' Meric. As you might expect, he shares a number of his owner's characteristics... He's a real sweetie - very friendly, inquisitive, always ready for a cuddle, and has an endearing habit of gently nibbling your chin (is that a Swedish thing, or something she picked up in California?). Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 05:55:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:37:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #33 built 2000-Jan-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 08:36:01 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/12/00 4:39:33 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: >Message text written by Glenna Rand > >>Just wanted to share some news with you all. >>Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back >>pregnant! >>(Now to decide on some names) > >Congratulations!! Now, before things get too >out-of-hand, none of the names you all came up >with for little Meric can be re-cycled, understand??? The first thing that crossed my mind was YIKES! Don't even mention the subject of names in the presence of this crowd - people will be coming up with ideas that make "Moon Unit" and "Dweezil" sound positively preppy! But seriously....... Congrats to Glenna & Dave! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 06:59:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:43:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #33 built 2000-Jan-12) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: art or craft ? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'm sure I'm not alone in this one. I have found that when I've taken work into a shop they have looked upon my work as a craft and therefore aim to pay a low price. I've then witnessed "artists" submit work at highly inflated prices for low skill work with not a murmur from the shop owner. is this an isolated event, I'd like to know. Charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 07:43:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:28:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #33 built 2000-Jan-12) X-Path: detroit.sgi.com!taddiken From: Russ Taddiken To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:15:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/12/00 4:39:33 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > > >Message text written by Glenna Rand > > > >>Just wanted to share some news with you all. > >>Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back > >>pregnant! > >>(Now to decide on some names) > > > >Congratulations!! Now, before things get too > >out-of-hand, none of the names you all came up > >with for little Meric can be re-cycled, understand??? > > The first thing that crossed my mind was YIKES! Don't even mention the > subject of names in the presence of this crowd - people will be coming up > with ideas that make "Moon Unit" and "Dweezil" sound positively preppy! > > But seriously....... Congrats to Glenna & Dave! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Just to start things off: Kalila = flower in swahili (always loved that name and the 2nd daughter would have had it if we did not have cali (calico) the cat) Congrats Glenna ! and Dave Too! Hope You get as much joy as we have from this Russ -- Russ Taddiken taddiken@detroit.sgi.com "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 11:16:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #34 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: RE re art or craft Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:53:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk A complex question! Stained glass is a traditional craft therefore I am a craftsman. Then again I create a unique piece of work using glass as my medium. If I make a scenic piece, hand picking all my glass for maximum effect then what difference is there between me and a landscape artist. My point is that glass-work is not given the credit it deserves. As a part time tutor I find that most people can master the craft, but I find that only a few can produce a good, original design. The standard of the finish is good but the piece lacks impact, but give them a pattern from a book and you get a very high quality piece of work. as I write this I am looking around at some of my work and most of it is nothing special. In 8 years maybe there's only 10 pieces that I feel really proud of. then again its the "nothing specials" that pay for the good work. all the best Charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 12:04:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:55:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #34 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: art or craft ? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "charlie" >I'm sure I'm not alone in this one. I have found that when I've taken wo= rk into a shop they have looked upon my work as a craft and therefore aim to= pay a low price. I've then witnessed "artists" submit work at highly inflated prices for low skill work with not a murmur from the shop owner.= is this an isolated event, I'd like to know. Charlie I'm always in hysterics when folks come into our shop and look through the portfolios.... in total awe. And then we get comments like, "Wow, this is like real art!!" = Well, yes, we try our best.... ROFLO!!!! Cheers, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = < ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 12:17:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:04:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #34 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Tony Dutcher Subject: Re: A restoration question Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:47:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Tony, These pieces might be of Norman slab. Or they might be pressed jewels which Powell & Co invented in the 19th century. What makes you feel they are overfired? If the panels are really by Powell & Co (Whitefriars Studio) I don't think it likely they were over fired. It is possible you have a problem with too much borax flux in the painting. (If so the paint will have to be stabilised, as it is water soluble with an excess of borax). This silver stain was not necessarily fired at a lower temperature, as there were then and are now silver stains that fire at tracing paint temperatures. This is a case where a picture or three would be worth a great deal. I'm not sure what we really are talking about. The pressed jewels were made from molten glass "dripped" into a mould, then turned out to anneal in a lehr. You could have a hot glass worker reproduce these from a cast of the glass, if necessary. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Tony Dutcher writes >I just signed up to the list and think its great...here goes my first >question: >I'm working on restoring a window made by an English studio, maybe >Powell, but I'm not sure. I have a feeling that the window could be >dated from the 1870-1900. The window is made up of 5 sections, each 53 >inches by 56 inches. These are very large windows and because of the >inadequate support system they were badly damaged. The windows are made >of a tessellation of three different small shapes of glass, I have a >math problem available for those that would like to figure out the >tessellation. The shapes of glass have a low relief on them and are >painted in the relief. it appears that the paint was over fired on >nearly all of the pieces. they were also silver stained to a lower >temperature on the smooth side of the glass. At first i believed that >the glass was cast into metal molds, there are hundreds of pieces per >panels. I tried to reproduce them by casting precut shapes into a >plaster mold. I fired kokomo (closest color match) to 1500 F and at a >rate of 100 degrees per hour and soaked for and hour. I was unable to >get the fine detail of the original pieces. I have to replace about >thirty of the thousands of pieces. I was thinking that if i cast them >with frit i might do better, but can anyone provide some professional >hints such as how to measure displacement and some example firing >seclude with frits, i was also wondering if anyone had experimented with >a casting flux, even ceramic grade frits used to flux low fire glazes. >In the discussion of how the pieces were originally made, the >possibility of the glass being "stamped" as it came directly from a >crucible was mentioned, however i would be unable to reproduce them in >this manor. Any hints would be greatly aprecieated. >Thanks, >Tony > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 12:54:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE re art or craft Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "charlie" >My point is that glass-work is not given the credit it deserves.< I do think it depends on the kind of glasswork.... for example, we utilize glass painting which = immediately pushes the work into the fine art realm... at least in the minds of the public. And, I still stand by my assertion that much old and new fine craft demonstrates greater ability and knowledge than a good deal of contemporary fine art! And this from a contemporary painter!! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 13:24:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:11:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: charlie Subject: Re: art or craft ? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:35:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I would say it is not an isolated event, but one which is related to how we view, and consequently present, ourselves. We are crafts people when we produce multiples of a work, when we mainly produce material for domestic situations which are not challenging to the customer or ourselves. We are artists when we are trying to present a challenge to the perceptions of the viewer. Galleries respond to the artist's statement kind of hype for various projects. Things which attempt to extend a medium, challenge a view point. Basically, things which are difficult to understand. Then we are artists. And we should charge as such when we go to galleries, they, after all take most of the money on the sale. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, charlie writes >I'm sure I'm not alone in this one. I have found that when I've taken work >into a shop they have looked upon my work as a craft and therefore aim to >pay a low price. I've then witnessed "artists" submit work at highly >inflated prices for low skill work with not a murmur from the shop owner. is >this an isolated event, I'd like to know. >Charlie > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 14:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:04:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:02:32 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Congrats, Glenna, lucky you. Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 13 18:37:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:29:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele S" To: gjr@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:01:26 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Glenna, Congratulations to you! I wish you all the best. I also wish that Hawaii agrees with me in a different way, as I'm checking my mail at a friend's here in Pearl Harbor as I write! Aloha~ Michele >From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Non-Glass Related >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:46:11 PST > >Hi everyone, > >Just wanted to share some news with you all. >Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back >pregnant! >(Now to decide on some names) > > >-- >Glenna Rand >gjr@bungi.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 06:05:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:58:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:57:26 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/13/00 10:44:06 AM, taddiken@detroit.sgi.com writes: >Congrats Glenna ! and Dave Too! Wow - somebody besides me has finally remembered "daddy-to-be" too. It generally does take two, you know...... otherwise any discussion of names immediately becomes moot - we'll just have to call the baby "Jesus"! We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 07:03:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:53:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Hot Glass Horizons 20000 Press Release Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:51:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi gang. Here's another press release for some exciting spring glass cla= sses! Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:GlasWiz@aol.com, INTERNET:GlasWiz@aol.com Date: 01/12/2000 3:36 PM = PRESS RELEASE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE This springs Hot Glass Horizons 2000 Corning will be held at the Radisson= = Hotel in Corning New York, May 4,5 & 6, 2000. 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For Registration and = information contact ASGA1100-H Brandywine Boulevard, PO Box 3388, Zanesvi= lle, = OH 43702-3388, Tel 1.888.866.2472, Fax 740.452.2552= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 07:34:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 07:27:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #36 built 2000-Jan-13) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Subject: reinstate me to the list please Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:00:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 10:33:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:24:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #38 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!Romajoco From: Romajoco@aol.com To: glass@intrastar.net, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:23:40 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Got a lot of glass (a whole lot) for use with mosaics....I have seen the "wooden window boxes" in the stained glass catalogs. If putting a mosaic design on them would you need to seal the wood first with something. Also would you need to seal the clay flower pots also before starting mosaic work. I would like to do some of both but do not want the glass to fall off at a later date if I did not seal them. Thanks in advance, Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 11:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #38 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: Romajoco@aol.com, glass@intrastar.net, Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:07:20 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Margi, Suzanne in Tulsa works with mosaics....maybe she can let you know...Abbie in VA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 11:32:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:26:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #38 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: , Subject: Re: Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:31:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<72.dd6e99.25b0c3ac@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk I had the same question on the wood--I think I would definitely seal the wood first. I'm going to make a round mosaic table cover for our deck table, and I will buy outdoor treated wood (if I can) and then seal it before putting the mosaic on. Good question on the flower pots. I've made 3 of 'em and haven't even thought to seal them. But now that I think about it, probably not a bad idea. I'm using mine, but have put the plants in their original plastic pot down inside the terracotta pot, so no moisture problems there. If you plan to plant right in the pot, I'd seal them. And I did put grout sealer on the pots after I was done--I figured at the very least it would help keep the grout clean. Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 13:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:44:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: domesticity.net!bethanie From: Bethanie Brown To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hey there. I'm assistant-teaching a Beginner's Stained Glass class for the first time, and my first assignment is to 1) get copyright permissions to make copies from a book called "Stained Glass Secrets" by Alicia Larson, published by Crystal Images Publications, 1990 OR 2) find alternative beginner's texts and get copyright permissions from them. Regarding Crystal Images Publications, I tried calling the number given in the book (it was disconnected) and a number of different Internet searches, and just can't find any way to contact the company. They're supposed to be in Park City, UT, but I've had no luck thus far. We like this particular book because it shows very clearly how to hold the tools, position your hands on the glass for breaking a score, etc. So if you can offer any leads on how to find the publishers or author of this book, or have other suggestions for your favorite books (or websites!)that might be comparable, please let me know! Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 14:03:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:53:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<387F8C84.5339E43A@home.com>> Precedence: bulk > I suggest Thompson's water seal on wood and flower pot then mosaics then > silicone grout sealer. Sharon in SC > Yep, either Thompson's or even a base coat of paint. Since I plan to leave the underside of the board plain, I was thinking of sealing the board by sanding and painting the whole thing to give the underside a slightly more "finished" look. The same might apply to the planters, depending on the finished look you are after. Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 14:11:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk aarrrggghhh...for a minute there I was hot on the trail... I called our local glass retailer in Salt Lake City to see if he knew Alicia and/or the publisher. Yes, he knew Alicia. She used to live in Park City and Crystal Images was her trade name. (Sounds like she probably "self published" the book.) Unfortunately, he believes she got married and moved to Florida. No one in the store knows for certain or knows what her married name is. But she probably held on to the trade name in Florida. Now, is there any way to track down someone with just a trade name? Shari in SLC > and my first assignment is to 1) get copyright permissions to make copies > from a book called "Stained Glass Secrets" by Alicia Larson, published by > Crystal Images Publications, 1990 OR 2) find alternative beginner's texts > and get copyright permissions from them. > > Regarding Crystal Images Publications, I tried calling the number given in > the book (it was disconnected) and a number of different Internet > searches, and just can't find any way to contact the company. They're > supposed to be in Park City, UT, but I've had no luck thus far. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 14:45:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:33:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shari" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:32:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Try the Thomas Registry, I believe that is what it's called. You will have to 'join', but it's free, to do a search. This could also be called the 'Thomas Register'. This source is usually in public libraries and lists companies that do business in the US and the world as well. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Good books for beginners ........... : Now, is there any way to track down someone with just a trade name? : : Shari in SLC : > Regarding Crystal Images Publications, I tried calling the number given in : > the book (it was disconnected) and a number of different Internet : > searches, and just can't find any way to contact the company. They're : > supposed to be in Park City, UT, but I've had no luck thus far. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 15:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:53:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: tctwest.net!lcans From: Larry & Chris Snyder To: Shari Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Shari, Just a thought, try the supply houses in FL. i.e. Delphi, Glass Crafters, etc. Just a long shot. Chris -- 2Peter 1:5 - 8 (NIV) Faith, Goodness; Knowledge; Self-control; Perseverance; Godliness; Brotherly Kindness; Love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive Cns in WY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 15:19:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <200001142308.SAA15659@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk I always liked the "Introduction to Stained Glass," by Randy Wardell. It's clear, concise, has lots of pictures! And some simple beginner patterns. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 15:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:51:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shari" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Treated wood, Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:50:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk For safety's sake and your health, try not to sand 'treated' wood. You should also be very careful about breathing even the minute sawdust when sawing 'treated' wood. I don't understand the reasoning behind why anyone thinks it would be necessary to seal, paint, etc., treated wood. The 'treated' wood is pressure treated with chemicals to a uniform depth to be bug resistant for many years. This type of wood is also used in the making of fence posts, rails and other things that will be in touch with 'wet earth', damp concrete, etc. Working with 'treated' wood can be hazardous to your health. Be sure also not to burn 'treated' wood as the smoke is poisonous, and wash your hands thoroughly, too. Tom : > I suggest Thompson's water seal on wood and flower pot then mosaics then : > silicone grout sealer. Sharon in SC : Yep, either Thompson's or even a base coat of paint. Since I plan to leave : the underside of the board plain, I was thinking of sealing the board by : sanding and painting the whole thing to give the underside a slightly more : "finished" look. The same might apply to the planters, depending on the : finished look you are after. : Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 16:34:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:25:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone , John Emery Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:23:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The best beginner's book available is the one written by Randy Wardell... which is also now available in Spanish and French. It offers, overall, the most accurate information and covers both copper foil and lead work. The "Secrets" books have some flat-out incorrect information.... for example, you should not be using plaster of Paris in your cement = formulae according to conservators... this has been discussed at some length here on bungi over the years and more information is available in the archives. = As a professional studio artist who teaches at = the college level, the only beginner book I would recommend is the Wardell book. It's also very reasonably priced. No, I don't own stock with = them. ;-D Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 17:03:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:45:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: juno.com!nbg3755 From: nbg3755@juno.com To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:34:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I did a couple of flower pots last spring without sealing the terracotta before applying the glass design, but I did paint them first with exterior house paint with a bit of sand mixed in for texture. I kept a couple and planted them. They've lasted just fine treated this way, but I'm in Florida so the lowest temp they've been exposed to is perhaps 27 degrees F. What a lot of work that project was, though! I painted the pots with exterior house paint, then glued the glass design on with liquid nails, then grouted around the glass (tinted to match the background paint). Much more trouble than it was worth (but they looked great)--just too expensive to make to sell. Nancy G in FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 17:18:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:01:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com, preston@iu.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:58:08 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk You know there's another good book. really inexpensive, which is actually a two book set called the stained glass primer. Good information, not geared to the hobbiest. Inother words, it doesn't cutsee up stained glass for the sake of enticing people who have nobusiness making glass in the first place. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 17:22:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:48:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>I'm assistant-teaching a Beginner's Stained Glass class for the first time, and my first assignment is to 1) get copyright permissions to make copies from a book called "Stained Glass Secrets" by Alicia Larson, <><< In fairness to the author, why not just purchase books for each of the students like any other text book. Getting free permission to reproduce the book leaves the author and publisher unrewarded for their labors. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 17:33:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:08:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New *real* job Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:06:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have a new *real* job. It's at someone elses glass studio. I just finished my first week, and Im so happy it's Friday! :o) A lot of large panels...a lot of hard work. Im learning lots, and will be so glad when I feel competent. Im pretty impressed with the skill of the others in the studio and very pleased they have been super helpful, and very gracious and patient with me. :o) My lead work is improving daily...(thank God) Suzanne in Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 17:35:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:13:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: beketchu@mtu.edu, rlhosack@juno.com, glass@bungi.com, Burke2325@aol.com, Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_37.647188.25b1231a_boundary" Subject: Fwd: I Don't Understand! Many of you will identify with some of Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:10:50 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_37.647188.25b1231a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is hard to understand how a cemetery raised its burial cost and blamed it on the cost of living. Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong. It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. Laughing stock - cattle with a sense of humor. You can't have everything, where would you put it? Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. If the shoe fits, get another one just like it. Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. The things that come to those that wait may be the things left by those who got there first. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day. Flashlight: A case for holding dead batteries. Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark. As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools. When you're swimming in the creek, and an eel bites your cheek, that's a moray! A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats. The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep. Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens. I wished the buck stopped here, as I could use a few. I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it. When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. --part1_37.647188.25b1231a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Bleubrd3@aol.com From: Bleubrd3@aol.com Full-name: Bleubrd 3 Message-ID: <37.5da26e.25b10771@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:12:49 EST Subject: Fwd: I Don't Understand! To: Bungyman7@aol.com, MATRONA@aol.com, Buckwet250@aol.com, DBNASH416@aol.com, erzebeterzebet@yahoo.com, jdarmstr@earthlink.net, jeffanson@worldnet.att.net, Shinesunn11@aol.com, hmazard@freeway.net, RALO36@aol.com, VHDREN@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_37.647188.25b10771_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 --part2_37.647188.25b10771_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > It is hard to understand how a cemetery raised its burial cost > > > and blamed it on the cost of living. > > > > > > Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. > > > > > > We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. > > > > > > The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting > > > something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong. > > > > > > It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, > > > someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. > > > > > > Laughing stock - cattle with a sense of humor. > > > > > > You can't have everything, where would you put it? > > > > > > Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the > > > world's population. > > > > > > If the shoe fits, get another one just like it. > > > > > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > > > > > > The things that come to those that wait may be the things left by > > > those who got there first. > > > > > > Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. > > > Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day. > > > > > > Flashlight: A case for holding dead batteries. > > > > > > Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark. > > > > > > As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools. > > > > > > When you're swimming in the creek, and an eel bites your cheek, > > > that's a moray! > > > > > > A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. > > > > > > It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats. > > > > > > The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep. > > > > > > Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens. > > > > > > I wished the buck stopped here, as I could use a few. > > > > > > I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it. > > > > > > When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of > > > 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. > > > > > > Light travels faster than sound. > > > This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. > > > --part2_37.647188.25b10771_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Kh72kzoo@aol.com From: Kh72kzoo@aol.com Full-name: Kh72kzoo Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:23:51 EST Subject: Fwd: I Don't Understand! To: OlandoSr@aol.com, Bleubrd3@aol.com, dfrye@mbusa.net, DLHEAUCL@aol.com, djbau@juno.com, nlh65@netzero.net, ROOKIE1955@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part3_37.647188.25afd4a7_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 --part3_37.647188.25afd4a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part3_37.647188.25afd4a7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:56:52 -0500 Received: from torchlake3.torchlake.com (torchlake.torchlake.com [207.74.233.2]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:56:37 -0500 Received: from [207.74.233.139] by torchlake3.torchlake.com (NTMail 4.30.0013/NY4640.00.71f44316) with ESMTP id dhqhcaaa for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:46:29 -0500 From: "John Borzcik" To: "Van Messinger" , "Tricia Merchant" , "Scott Taylor" , "Robin Empson" , "Rob Cates" , "Mike Melli" , "Mike Colborn" , "Lezlie Chippa" , "Kyle Barsheff" , "Kim Otten" , "Kevin Hettig" , "Kathy Pennell" , "Joyce Rea" , "John Millard" , "Joel Weist" , "Joel McIntosh" , "Jeff Csonka" , "Glenna Hufton" , "Gary Gerard" , "Clint Brown" , "Cathy Scott" , "Buzz Yoder" , "Bruce Hanson" , "Betsy Johnson" , "Bob Calhoun" , "Andy Hasse" Subject: I Don't Understand! Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001301bf5d5f$14e39a40$8be94acf@mpdywdzn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal > > > > > > It is hard to understand how a cemetery raised its burial cost > > > and blamed it on the cost of living. > > > > > > Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off. > > > > > > We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. > > > > > > The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting > > > something right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong. > > > > > > It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, > > > someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. > > > > > > Laughing stock - cattle with a sense of humor. > > > > > > You can't have everything, where would you put it? > > > > > > Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the > > > world's population. > > > > > > If the shoe fits, get another one just like it. > > > > > > Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway. > > > > > > The things that come to those that wait may be the things left by > > > those who got there first. > > > > > > Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. > > > Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day. > > > > > > Flashlight: A case for holding dead batteries. > > > > > > Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark. > > > > > > As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools. > > > > > > When you're swimming in the creek, and an eel bites your cheek, > > > that's a moray! > > > > > > A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. > > > > > > It was recently discovered that research causes cancer in rats. > > > > > > The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep. > > > > > > Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens. > > > > > > I wished the buck stopped here, as I could use a few. > > > > > > I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it. > > > > > > When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of > > > 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. > > > > > > Light travels faster than sound. > > > This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. > > > --part3_37.647188.25afd4a7_boundary-- --part2_37.647188.25b10771_boundary-- --part1_37.647188.25b1231a_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 17:48:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:31:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: MATRONA@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:31:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk It's what I started with in 1982. :o) I've lost one of them over the years. Ive looked everywhere. Suzanne MATRONA@aol.com wrote: > > You know there's another good book. really inexpensive, which is actually a > two book set called the stained glass primer. Good information, not geared > to the hobbiest. Inother words, it doesn't cutsee up stained glass for the > sake of enticing people who have nobusiness making glass in the first place. > Anne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 18:01:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:41:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Treated wood, Mosaic question Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:41:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I think probably marine grade plywood is what the maker should be looking for, rather than treated wood. It's made with special water-resistant glues so a round cut from it should avoid warping when exposed to the elements. I think the pressure treated stuff is more normally dimensional lumber for porches, stairs, etc. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: Shari Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: Treated wood, Mosaic question > For safety's sake and your health, try not to sand 'treated' wood. You > should also be very careful about breathing even the minute sawdust when > sawing 'treated' wood. > > I don't understand the reasoning behind why anyone thinks it would be > necessary to seal, paint, etc., treated wood. The 'treated' wood is > pressure treated with chemicals to a uniform depth to be bug resistant > for many years. This type of wood is also used in the making of fence > posts, rails and other things that will be in touch with 'wet earth', > damp concrete, etc. > > Working with 'treated' wood can be hazardous to your health. Be sure > also not to burn 'treated' wood as the smoke is poisonous, and wash your > hands thoroughly, too. > > Tom > > > : > I suggest Thompson's water seal on wood and flower pot then mosaics > then > : > silicone grout sealer. Sharon in SC > > : Yep, either Thompson's or even a base coat of paint. Since I plan to > leave > : the underside of the board plain, I was thinking of sealing the board > by > : sanding and painting the whole thing to give the underside a slightly > more > : "finished" look. The same might apply to the planters, depending on > the > : finished look you are after. > : Shari > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 18:02:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:48:04 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I like the Wardell book too but came across a book Iin the library called Stained Glass Basics by Chris Rich with Martha Mitchell and Rachel Ward published by Sterling Publishing Co. ISBN 0-8069-4877-9. I found a used copy on-line but the cover price is only $14.95. Aside from good basic instruction it has a nice selection of patterns for beginners that, while simple, show use of color, texture and shading. Each project has a page of tips and the color photos are inspiring. Projects include small and large panels, simple lamps, candle holders, boxes, even a kalaidescope. It has both copper foil and lead techniques but I don't work in lead so can't vouch for the accuracy of the instruction but the copper foil instruction seems thorough with lots of pictures. I deal with Sterling Publishing at work and their toll-free # is 800-359-1680. I don't know what their minimum purchase is or what their discount schedule might be. Brenda Marhon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 20:49:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:42:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Re: New *real* job Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:41:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne - congratulations! Sounds like it might be a good fit for you long and short term. Tami Tami Siddens Envision Success Professional Coaching/Consulting Services Member International Coach Federation tamis@soltec.net Attract an extraordinary life! "Just don't give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there is love and inspiration, I don't think you can go wrong." - Ella Fitzgerald -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: New *real* job >I have a new *real* job. It's at someone elses glass studio. >I just finished my first week, and Im so happy it's Friday! >:o) > >A lot of large panels...a lot of hard work. Im learning lots, and will >be so glad when I feel competent. Im pretty impressed with the skill of >the others in the studio and very pleased they have been super helpful, >and very gracious and patient with me. :o) My lead work is improving >daily...(thank God) > >Suzanne in Tulsa >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 14 21:19:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:05:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: domesticity.net!bethanie From: Bethanie Brown To: "Shari" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 01:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: References: <>> Precedence: bulk Shari -- Thanks so much for your help!! I think I'll take the suggestions from the group (and a couple other places where I posted the same question) to my partner tomorrow and see what she thinks. We may just give the class a short list of recommended texts, and they can decide to buy their own or not. Thanks again for going above & beyond -- it was so nice of you to try! ....Bethanie.... At 6:09 PM -0400 1/14/00, Shari wrote: >aarrrggghhh...for a minute there I was hot on the trail... > >I called our local glass retailer in Salt Lake City to see if he knew Alicia >and/or the publisher. Yes, he knew Alicia. She used to live in Park City and >Crystal Images was her trade name. (Sounds like she probably "self >published" the book.) > >Unfortunately, he believes she got married and moved to Florida. No one in >the store knows for certain or knows what her married name is. But she >probably held on to the trade name in Florida. > >Now, is there any way to track down someone with just a trade name? > >Shari in SLC > > >> and my first assignment is to 1) get copyright permissions to make copies >> from a book called "Stained Glass Secrets" by Alicia Larson, published by >> Crystal Images Publications, 1990 OR 2) find alternative beginner's texts >> and get copyright permissions from them. >> >> Regarding Crystal Images Publications, I tried calling the number given in >> the book (it was disconnected) and a number of different Internet >> searches, and just can't find any way to contact the company. They're >> supposed to be in Park City, UT, but I've had no luck thus far. > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 00:27:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:00:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: BMarhon@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Good books for beginners Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:57:25 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I must concur strongly with Brenda's recommendation of this book. That book allowed me to be self-taught in both foil and lead, to a pretty reasonable skill level. (Good enough to sell work, and take on some restoration work, all with satisfied clients.) Yes, I dove into this hands and feet, but the teaching method employed by the book, together with the excellent photos, and the beginner projects, were great. I especially enjoyed the ability to make a small panel, first via foil, then the same panel, with lead. For me, a simple way to see, early on, the differences in the two disciplines. fwiw, Richard Callahan Stained Glass Las Vegas, NV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 06:01:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 05:34:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non-Glass Related Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:40:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Congratulations Glenna and Dave!!! Maui is magical. I am very disappointed that rejected names from the Meric search aren't allowed. Geeze, Grinder is still a great name! Be careful with all the nasty stuff in glass work. Maybe you can spend the next nine months cutting and foiling a million projects and finish the rest after the baby comes. Take care, Hilary > Just wanted to share some news with you all. > Maui must have agreed with me completely. I came back > pregnant! > (Now to decide on some names) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 08:01:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:44:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: "Susan C. Reitmann" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: Need pattern: Mt. Rainer Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:46:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone out there in "Bungi-land" that knows of or has a pattern that would resemble Mt. Rainer in Seattle? I've been sent several postcards but I can't draw worth a hoot and would like a basic pattern to start with. Thanks in advance, Sue Reitmann (oddjob@scc.net) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 11:02:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:46:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: oddjob@scc.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Need pattern: Mt. Rainer Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:44:43 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/15/00 11:02:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, oddjob@scc.net writes: > Anyone out there in "Bungi-land" that knows of or has a pattern that would > resemble Mt. Rainer in Seattle? > I've been sent several postcards but I can't draw worth a hoot and would > like a basic pattern to start with. > Thanks in advance, > Sue Reitmann (oddjob@scc.net) > Suggestion: find the photo that shows what it is you want to show, and trace the main lines... You will be designing. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 12:35:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:15:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: 0ver-40.com!vacations From: getaway@FreeMailForAll.com To: You@youraddress.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Limited Time Offer! Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk 01/15/00 Jim Sander Director of On-Line Travel Programs Orlando Magical Vacation, Inc. 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CALL NOW!!! 1 800 230 7135 Ext.60 "Have your credit card ready" Hours of operation are 9 AM to 9 PM, Mon - Fri. 10AM-2PM, Sat (eastern) We anticipate a large volume of calls so If signal's busy, keep trying. If you wish not to receive further messages, please forward mail with "delete" in the subject line. Thanks... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 12:39:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:22:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: art or craft ? Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:21:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, it is not an isolated event. But I also want to make it clear that not all shop owners view "Art" versus "Craft" this way. (I know there is at least one gallery that does not - mine! :-) ) I personally find this "Art" versus "Craft" distinction harmful to the real goal of this whole thing - to bring beauty into peoples lives. Or maybe not just beauty - in some cases art can be ugly for the sake of provoking thought or emotions or making a statement. Either way, I see a lot of bad crap passed off at high prices just because the person doing it is an "Artist", and I see a lot of absolutely wonderful work given a lower status because it has been categorized as "Craft". For myself and Adriana's and my art gallery, we look for the following: 1. Quality workmanship. I don't care if it is a painting or "craft". A poorly executed painting is still crap. 2. What I can best describe as "soul" or "life". This is a personal judgment in the more difficult to define realm of emotions. Basically, does the piece evoke emotions? A sense of awe? Just a plain old sense of joy or well being? Or does it speak to any other part of life (i.e. "dark art" may well speak to the darker emotions)? Is there any sense the art/craftsperson put something of life into the piece? (Now in the particular case of our gallery, one must also be a coastal British Columbia artist preferably Texada Island, Sunshine Coast mid-eastern Vancouver Island or other Howe Sound / Malaspina Strait / Georgia Strait location. But that is just because local work is the niche we aim for in the gallery. It is not a reflection of quality or anything like that). So when you find a gallery or shop that treats you as a lower class just because they have classified your work as "craft", I say screw them. Tell them why you are leaving and then leave. Go somewhere else and try again. Places that will treat a craftsperson right do in fact exist. ----- Original Message ----- From: charlie To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 6:38 AM Subject: art or craft ? > I'm sure I'm not alone in this one. I have found that when I've taken work > into a shop they have looked upon my work as a craft and therefore aim to > pay a low price. I've then witnessed "artists" submit work at highly > inflated prices for low skill work with not a murmur from the shop owner. is > this an isolated event, I'd like to know. > Charlie > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 15 14:03:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:46:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #39 built 2000-Jan-14) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: art or craft ? Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:44:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim & Adriana Atwood" >Either way, I see a lot of bad crap passed off at high prices just because the person doing it is an "Artist", and I see a lot of absolutely wonderful work given a lower stat= us because it has been categorized as "Craft".< Dani Greer says: Yup. ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 07:00:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:58:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #46 built 2000-Jan-15) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Treated wood, Mosaic question Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:55:23 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/14/00 6:23:55 PM, thomm@vnet.net writes: >For safety's sake and your health, try not to sand 'treated' wood. You >should also be very careful about breathing even the minute sawdust when >sawing 'treated' wood. For that matter, you really should wear a good dust-filtering respirator any time you're sanding or sawing any kind of wood - but yes, that goes double (or maybe triple) when you're working with treated wood. >I don't understand the reasoning behind why anyone thinks it would be >necessary to seal, paint, etc., treated wood. The 'treated' wood is >pressure treated with chemicals to a uniform depth to be bug resistant >for many years. Yes, pressure-treated wood is bug- and rot-resistant, but if it's not also waterproofed it will still soak up a certain amount of water and swell when it gets wet, and swell further if it freezes after it gets wet (as it's likely to do in areas where the weather can go from 55F and raining to 17F in about a day and a half, the way it did in Philly last week), and too much of that happening will definitely cause the grout in your mosaic (which is also subject to water absorption and freezing) to crack and fall off. To be on the safe side, I'd make sure the wood is thoroughly dry, seal it with Thompson's or equivalent, and give that a couple of days to cure completely before adding your mosaic. The same goes for terra cotta. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 09:01:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:59:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #46 built 2000-Jan-15) X-Path: aol.com!THOR7127 From: THOR7127@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: what do i charge? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:57:30 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk hello, i have been working with stain glass for awhile now. i just have been doing pieces for myself, family and friends. i friend of mine lives near the DC area, and want to take some of my panels to work and sell. i have no clue on what to charge. most of my panels are 12 1/2 by 15 1/2, foiled and wrapped with lead cane. they range for 21 pieces to 50 piece. i use mostly wissmock glass. please help me, i don't want to sell them to cheap and under cut anyone, so if someone could write me back, tell me what a 21pcs , 37pcs,and 50 pcs panel should be sold for. Thank you! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 09:37:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:30:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #47 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: aol.com!GlasLdy From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: THOR7127@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: what do I charge? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:27:12 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This site might help you. http://www.glendalemall.com/pricing.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 11:38:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #47 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: THOR7127@aol.com Subject: Re: what do i charge? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If only there was a simple answer to your question, many of use would have some hair left! There are a variety of charging schemes, which can be found in the archives. There are two basic methods: charge per piece (1-2 dollars seems to be the lower end of the range) This can be modified by adding the cost of the glass and other supplies, and overheads to the piece times formula. This makes it very similar to the second. charge by the time taken plus overheads for that time and costs of materials. Of course if you are estimating, you will have to had kept records. If you haven't up to now, start keeping records for each project. The records should at least include: size, # pieces, total area of glass used (and its cost), amount of foil used, amount of solder used, time used in each stage of the project (designing, selecting glass, cutting the glass, fitting the glass, foiling/leading, soldering, finishing). After you have done a number of projects you will be able to analyse the records for averages and standard deviations from the average. This will give you information for judging how much time and expense both each project took, and also how much time and expense other projects are likely to take. The rate for the time taken is up to you. It might range from 0 to 50 dollars an hour. These factors added and multiplied will give you a rate of return. Don't forget that if you want to put pieces in stores or craft fairs there are additional expenses and commissions to pay. There may be a copy of my time sheet on the intrastar list web page. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 12:09:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:50:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #47 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Nice photos of John La Farge glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:48:04 +0000 Message-ID: <200001161950.OAA12952@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk If you're interested, you can see why John La Farge was so highly thought of. I just added photos of several of his pieces to Julie Sloan's web site - http://www.jlsloan.com/ The first image you'll see will be replaced by another ... and another, so wait a minute. Then go to the link above the photos and you'll find *more images of his work. Tiffany and Frank Lloyd Wright stained glass will be added shortly. Enjoy! Albert Albert Lewis AllDesignCom.com | Design & Communications __________________________________________ 54 Cherry Street North Adams MA 01247 413 663-7946 Fax: 413 663-7167 http://www.alldesigncom.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 12:20:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:02:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #47 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: yahoo.com!barbaraelmore From: barbara elmore To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: "p'cut" glass? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Was recently in a shop that had an interesting glass that I tried to buy from the owner. He wouldn't sell out of his studio, but said that I could probably get it from any supplier. He said the name was something like "peacutt" (at first I thought "peacock", but he corrected me). I have searched all the sources I have available and can't find a manufacturer. Can anyone help? Thanks, Barbara __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 13:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:22:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #47 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: atwoods@aisl.bc.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: art or craft ? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:12:06 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk That is right on! Germain to the Art/Craft thing, but so true of life, in general. If people (artists and crafters as well ) would just simply refuse to be victims!!!. Thanks for your candor. I wish there was more of that in our society. Richard Richard Callahan Stained Glass Las Vegas, NV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 15:30:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:19:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Rbytl@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: art or craft ? Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:17:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Rbytl@aol.com >If people = (artists and crafters as well ) would just simply refuse to be victims!!!= From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 16:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:01:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mosaic question Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:52:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<72.dd6e99.25b0c3ac@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Good question Margie! You asked if one should seal the wooden houses before doing mosaics. Actually, I will be waiting for the replies on this one. As a class we did birdhouses and sealed the mosaic AFTER we grouted it but no one thought about sealing it first. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 16:27:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:07:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Nice photos of John La Farge glass Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <200001170000.TAA13514@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk on this day you wrote: >If you're interested, you can see why John La Farge was so highly >thought of. I just added photos of several of his pieces to Julie >Sloan's web site - http://www.jlsloan.com/ Albert, Nice photos! Very interesting presentation! The man's work is wondrous. Thanks! Suzanne A. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 16 16:43:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:38:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: "p'cut" glass? Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:19:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000117001954.007ad100@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> Precedence: bulk At 12:00 16/01/00 -0800, Barbara wrote: >He said the name was something like "peacutt" (at >first I thought "peacock", but he corrected me). I >have searched all the sources I have available and >can't find a manufacturer. Can anyone help? Barbara it could be T cut which is a phrase used by spectrum (I think ) to describe non-standard/quality glass. It is supposed to be sold cheaper than the regular line and contains flaws. We often suspect that glass we pay the regular price for is this substandard glass as we often get spectrum glass with "skid marks" and what glassblowers call "stones" - small lumps of white stuff off the kiln walls - in it and have to sell it at a discount. But our suppliers assure us that they dont sell T cut glass!! Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 03:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 03:29:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Steve Richard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Headings (was: Good books for beginners) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:27:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk When I posted about the Thomas Registry or Thomas Register, everything I spoke of *was about* the *heading*, Good Books for Beginners. Please read and *understand* before trying to correct the good intentions of others. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Richard" To: "Tom" Cc: "Shari" Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 6:21 AM Subject: Headings (was: Good books for beginners) : Hey, Folks. : Now is the time to change headings, since the posts are not : about "Good books for beginners" but about trade names. : It would help in the use of this list if everyone made these : changes. : In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Tom writes : >Try the Thomas Registry, I believe that is what it's called. You will : >have to 'join', but it's free, to do a search. This could also be : >called the 'Thomas Register'. This source is usually in public : >libraries and lists companies that do business in the US and the world : >as well. : > : >Tom : > : >----- Original Message ----- : >From: "Shari" : >To: "Bungi" : >Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:09 PM : >Subject: Re: Good books for beginners : > : > : >........... : >: Now, is there any way to track down someone with just a trade name? : >: : >: Shari in SLC : > : >: > Regarding Crystal Images Publications, I tried calling the number : >given in : >: > the book (it was disconnected) and a number of different Internet : >: > searches, and just can't find any way to contact the company. : >They're : >: > supposed to be in Park City, UT, but I've had no luck thus far. : > : > : >---- : >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : : -- : Steve Richard : Verrier Art Glass Ltd : s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 05:56:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:36:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: tctwest.net!lcans From: Larry & Chris Snyder To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Master Glass Sets Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:25:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am thinking of purchasing a Master glass set. Most of the suppliers have them but for varying prices. Is there one that anyone prefers over another or thinks is better value for money? I would welcome your thoughts. Chris -- 2Peter 1:5 - 8 (NIV) Faith, Goodness; Knowledge; Self-control; Perseverance; Godliness; Brotherly Kindness; Love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive Cns in WY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 08:29:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #48 built 2000-Jan-16) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Mosaic question Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:58:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari" >> I suggest Thompson's water seal on wood and flower pot then mosaics th= en > silicone grout sealer. Sharon in SC > Yep, either Thompson's or even a base coat of paint. Since I plan to leav= e the underside of the board plain, I was thinking of sealing the board by sanding and painting the whole thing to give the underside a slightly mor= e "finished" look. The same might apply to the planters, depending on the finished look you are after.< I don't advocate using a coat of paint on an unsealed terra cotta flower pot. I tried that, and 2 years after the mosaic work, the glass & grout was popping off. The water will still seep in somehow and will destroy your mosaic work (boo). So - water sealant is my preferred method. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 10:27:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:15:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #49 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Larry & Chris Snyder" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Master Glass Sets Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:13:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I usually enjoy others posts to glassbungi. But, when signature lines are of the "in your face" type message, I place those names in a file so that they are not even downloaded from my server. Sorry to have to do this, but I really don't appreciate your cyber message. If you want to witness, fine, just witness off the list as you don't know just who you are trying to witness to. Tom in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry & Chris Snyder" To: "glass" Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: Master Glass Sets : I am thinking of purchasing a Master glass set. Most of the suppliers : have them but for varying prices. Is there one that anyone prefers : over another or thinks is better value for money? I would welcome your : thoughts. Chris : -- : 2Peter 1:5 - 8 (NIV) : Faith, Goodness; Knowledge; Self-control; Perseverance; Godliness; : Brotherly Kindness; Love. For if you possess these qualities in : increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and : unproductive : Cns in WY : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 10:39:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:37:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #49 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: studio safety Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:ACTSNYC@cs.com, INTERNET:ACTSNYC@cs.com To: [unknown], GreerStudios = Date: 1/16/100 7:21 PM RE: Re: studio safety = In a message dated 1/16/00 4:37:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, = GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > = > What is legally required of a commercial studio regarding = > the safety of employees? Anything? = > Where I work there is no special ventilation, no respirators and they > unzip old panels in the middle of the studio. > Ive seen no msds info anywhere, and one of the owners was just diagnos= ed > with lung cancer. The studio people refused to open something the oth= er > day (I dont know what it was) saying for all we know that's what made > the owner sick. = > = > Suzanne That's a really incredible question. Employers have to provide a safe = workplace for their employees that is free of recognized hazards. From t= his = simple requirement there are now three huge volumes of laws and regulatio= ns. = Many of them apply to the stained glass studio. The most important of these regulations are the ones regarding lead. In = this = case 29 CFR 1910.1025 requires personal monitoring, and a flock of protec= tive = measures. Most stained glass studios are operating illegally with respec= t to = this law. They could be shut down and the owners cited and fined. It is = why = I have pushed so hard to get this community to understand that they must = spend the money to do this right. They must spend the money one of two ways: 1. Hire industrial hygienists and ventilation consultants to set up a st= udio = in which lead can be used. This will cost many, many thousands of dollar= s = and will be a continuing expense in terms of retraining, changing filters= , = disposing of filters as toxic waste, blood tests, medical record keeping,= and = much more. or 2. Stop using lead. There are lead-free solders out there. They are a = little harder to use, but they are there. There is zinc came. There are= = ways to do this--they will make big changes in the work, but these method= s = and materials must be used by those who can't afford the lead-using studi= o. = The only way to escape the law is to work alone with no employees at all.= = OSHA then has no jurisdiction and you are allowed to do yourself in howev= er = you choose. Monona Rossol ACTS 181 Thompson St., # 23 NYC NY 10012-2586 = ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: ACTSNYC@cs.com Received: from csimo01.mx.cs.com (csimo01.mx.cs.com [152.163.225.74]) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id WAA04891 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:20:55 -0500 (EST)= From: ACTSNYC@cs.com Received: from ACTSNYC@cs.com by csimo01.mx.cs.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id f.6e.2a79f7 (4568) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:20:44 -0500 (EST= ) Message-ID: <6e.2a79f7.25b3e48c@cs.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:20:44 EST Subject: Re: studio safety To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 23 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 14:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:52:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #49 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: studio safety Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:49:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk [snip] > Many of them apply to the stained glass studio. > The most important of these regulations are the ones regarding lead. In this > case 29 CFR 1910.1025 requires personal monitoring, and a flock of protective > measures. Most stained glass studios are operating illegally with respect to > this law. They could be shut down and the owners cited and fined. It is why > I have pushed so hard to get this community to understand that they must > spend the money to do this right. > [snip] The link to the OSHA standard in question: http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_data/1910_1025.html Some notable excerpts: This section applies to all occupational exposure to lead, except as provided in paragraph (a)(2). "Action level" means employee exposure, without regard to the use of respirators, to an airborne concentration of lead of 30 micrograms per cubic meter of air (30 ug/m(3)) averaged over an 8-hour period. Permissible exposure limit (PEL). The employer shall assure that no employee is exposed to lead at concentrations greater than fifty micrograms per cubic meter of air (50 ug/m(3)) averaged over an 8-hour period Full shift personal samples shall be representative of the monitored employee's regular, daily exposure to lead. And let's not forget appendix A of case 29 CFR 1910.1025 http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_data/1910_1025_APP_A.html Notable excerpts: A. Ways in which lead enters your body. When absorbed into your body in certain doses lead is a toxic substance. The object of the lead standard is to prevent absorption of harmful quantities of lead. The standard is intended to protect you not only from the immediate toxic effects of lead, but also from the serious toxic effects that may not become apparent until years of exposure have passed. Lead can be absorbed into your body by inhalation (BREATHING) and ingestion (EATING). Lead (except for certain organic lead compounds not covered by the standard, such as tetraethyl lead) IS NOT ABSORBED THROUGH YOUR SKIN. When lead is scattered in the air as a dust, fume or mist it can be inhaled and absorbed through you lungs and upper respiratory tract. Inhalation of airborne lead is generally the most important source of occupational lead absorption. You can also absorb lead through your digestive system if lead gets into your mouth and is swallowed. If you handle food, cigarettes, chewing tobacco, or make-up which have lead on them or handle them with hands contaminated with lead, this will contribute to ingestion. (My crap a.k.a. Know Thy Enemy) a) The regulation deals strictly with airborne Lead. b) Personal monitoring does not mean monitoring personnel. It means monitoring the air in the work area where personnel are likely exposed to Lead. c) Unless people are doing something out of the ordinary with Lead as it pertains to Stained Glass, like buffing up your Lead or solder lines with a wire brush on an angle grinder or heating Lead or Lead bearing mixtures to the boiling point of Lead, the airborne concentrations should be _well_ below 30 micrograms/cubic meter averaged over an 8 hour period. Anything below and OSHA does not require _any_ action on the employers part. d) Handling Lead is not dangerous per-se as it can not be absorbed through the skin. Wash your hands afterward; don't eat/drink/smoke/apply makeup/etc. while handling it. In other words, use common sense. There are excellent hand detergents specifically to address the removal of heavy metals from the skin. Us them. Now seeing that the government is not all-knowing when it comes to much of anything, and if you're truly concerned about Lead exposure from the concernable sources, by all means have some testing performed. Lead _is_ dangerous. But only under the proper conditions. As far as OSHA citing or shutting you down, well.... Lead has to be one of the least of your worries concerning stained glass. Educate yourself on all the real potential dangers like huffing a little Whiting, ingesting some Zinc Chloride or Selinic Oxide or Nitric Acid, holding the 4 square feet of glass over head to see the light through it (It's all fun and games until some one loses an eye...), or breathing the fumes from the organic carrier in flux (any flux, including tallow) as it smokes off your iron, worry about a three fingered handshake for the rest of your life the next time you drop that came chop-saw. (Check out the OSHA regs on equipment operation...) [snip] > 1. Hire industrial hygienists and ventilation consultants to set up a studio > in which lead can be used. This will cost many, many thousands of dollars > and will be a continuing expense in terms of retraining, changing filters, > disposing of filters as toxic waste, blood tests, medical record keeping, > and much more. > > or > > 2. Stop using lead. There are lead-free solders out there. They are a > little harder to use, but they are there. There is zinc came. There are > ways to do this--they will make big changes in the work, but these methods > and materials must be used by those who can't afford the lead-using studio. [snip] Unless I'm missing something in the regs, this seems excessive and unnecessary. Especially when you're already scrapping by to make a living. Let me repeat. Lead is dangerous. And worse yet, it is insidious in its actions. That's why people are terrified of it, and why there is so much lore and misunderstanding surrounding it. KNOW IT, UNDERSTAND IT AND TAKE THE PROPER PRECAUTIONS. They're not expensive. -G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 15:31:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:14:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #50 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Did Louis Tiffany "invent" opalescent glass? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:11:08 +0000 Message-ID: <200001172313.SAA15002@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Did Louis Tiffany "invent" opalescent glass? Julie Sloan says, "probably not," if I read her research correctly. Take a look yourself: http://www.jlsloan.com/articles.htm then scroll down one click to "The Rivalry Between Louis Comfort Tiffany and John La Farge" and enjoy the benefit of her research yourself. Nice photos, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 16:30:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:02:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #50 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Steve Richard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Headings (was: Good books for beginners) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<+RRL5FAdD4g4Ew+Z@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Steve, See? This is exactly what I meant by my answer to you. You obviously *missed* the meat of the subject. Please get the whole story, nothing but the story, before you criticize others for the way they post re:headers. You are clearly in the wrong, but I didn't want to say that to the world. But, you've left me no choice. I hope the subject matter re:headers and "correctness" is over soon. Tom in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Richard" To: "Tom" Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Headings (was: Good books for beginners) : Sorry Tom. : I can't see how a message about tracing a company by trade name has : anything to do with books for beginners. : : Steve : : In message <012001bf60dd$dc8e1080$f23152a6@xx>, Tom : writes : >When I posted about the Thomas Registry or Thomas Register, everything I : >spoke of *was about* the *heading*, Good Books for Beginners. : > : >Please read and *understand* before trying to correct the good : >intentions of others. : > : >Tom : > : >----- Original Message ----- : >From: "Steve Richard" : >To: "Tom" : >Cc: "Shari" : >Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 6:21 AM : >Subject: Headings (was: Good books for beginners) : > : > : >: Hey, Folks. : >: Now is the time to change headings, since the posts are not : >: about "Good books for beginners" but about trade names. : >: It would help in the use of this list if everyone made these : >: changes. : >: In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Tom writes : >: >Try the Thomas Registry, I believe that is what it's called. You : >will : >: >have to 'join', but it's free, to do a search. This could also be : >: >called the 'Thomas Register'. This source is usually in public : >: >libraries and lists companies that do business in the US and the : >world : >: >as well. : >: > : >: >Tom : >: > : >: >----- Original Message ----- : >: >From: "Shari" : >: >To: "Bungi" : >: >Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:09 PM : >: >Subject: Re: Good books for beginners : >: > : >: > : >: >........... : >: >: Now, is there any way to track down someone with just a trade name? : >: >: : >: >: Shari in SLC : >: > : >: >: > Regarding Crystal Images Publications, I tried calling the number : >: >given in : >: >: > the book (it was disconnected) and a number of different Internet : >: >: > searches, and just can't find any way to contact the company. : >: >They're : >: >: > supposed to be in Park City, UT, but I've had no luck thus far. : >: > : >: > : >: >---- : >: >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : >: >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : >: >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : >: : >: -- : >: Steve Richard : >: Verrier Art Glass Ltd : >: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk : >: : > : : -- : Steve Richard : Verrier Art Glass Ltd : s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 16:33:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:09:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #50 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Debbie T" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: In your face, crap Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:09:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<38838BD0.A9CB59C@crosswinds.net>> Precedence: bulk Debbie, I used the "Filter" setup instead so I won't have to [DELETE] those members anymore. Do you really think it's "just me" who doesn't like being smacked with bible verses on others signature lines (and some even include these IN their posts on some lists)? I can guarantee you that it's not "just me", but rather a lot of others who feel as I do. I didn't join this list to read bible verses or be witnessed to, I joined this list for the exchange of good stained glass talk as did those who would support my position. Why you get yourself upset (caps are usually reserved for *shouting!*) is something only you can understand. Perhaps you get "in your face" with others, too? Just a guess, not a statement so don't jump all over me again. Tom in NC - home of the Big BUCKLE of the Bible Belt (maybe this has hardened me by being constantly exposed to those who would get "in my face!" Maybe.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie T" To: "Tom" Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Master Glass Sets : OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Knock it off. So what if he wants to use a personal : signature line? Quitchurbeefin bud! We don't need another flame war going : on ON the list. Feel free to use your delete button. Freedom is wonderful! : : Tom wrote: : : > I usually enjoy others posts to glassbungi. : > : > But, when signature lines are of the "in your face" type message, I : > place those names in a file so that they are not even downloaded from my : > server. Sorry to have to do this, but I really don't appreciate your : > cyber message. If you want to witness, fine, just witness off the list : > as you don't know just who you are trying to witness to. : > : > Tom in NC : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Larry & Chris Snyder" : > To: "glass" : > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:25 AM : > Subject: Master Glass Sets : > : > : I am thinking of purchasing a Master glass set. Most of the suppliers : > : have them but for varying prices. Is there one that anyone prefers : > : over another or thinks is better value for money? I would welcome : > your : > : thoughts. Chris : > : -- : > : 2Peter 1:5 - 8 (NIV) : > : Faith, Goodness; Knowledge; Self-control; Perseverance; Godliness; : > : Brotherly Kindness; Love. For if you possess these qualities in : > : increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and : > : unproductive : > : Cns in WY : > : ---- : > : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : > : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : > : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : > : : > : > ---- : > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 17:02:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:37:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #50 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Larry & Chris Snyder" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Master Glass Sets and more......... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:43:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Machine made sets are fine......hand made glass varies( imagine that) and a 2x3 inch piece may be the only part of that sheet with that color(s) on it......... cathedral glass and monochrome color tend to be uniform and sample sets show them fine. Now for the MORE............. "2Peter 1:5 - 8 (NIV) Faith, Goodness; Knowledge; Self-control; Perseverance; Godliness; Brotherly Kindness; Love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive" Cns in WY I find the above signature message a lot more than I want to be told and perhaps not an indicator of my character and productiveness as SOMEONE else measures it. Seems to me, if the perpetrators of the above musings had followed their own suggestions and observations, a few killings, massacres, and an overall tolerance of their "fellow" human beings would have been/and or will be different! After this post to you and a return post either direct or to the list will be handled by my "in-box" assistant. sincerely, Howard weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 19:06:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #50 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In your face, crap Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Tom wrote: > > Debbie, > > I used the "Filter" setup instead so I won't have to [DELETE] those > members anymore. > > Do you really think it's "just me" who doesn't like being smacked with > bible verses on others signature lines (and some even include these IN > their posts on some lists)? I can guarantee you that it's not "just > me", but rather a lot of others who feel as I do. I didn't join this > list to read bible verses or be witnessed to, I joined this list for the > exchange of good stained glass talk as did those who would support my > position. Why you get yourself upset (caps are usually reserved for > *shouting!*) is something only you can understand. Perhaps you get "in > your face" with others, too? Just a guess, not a statement so don't > jump all over me again. > > Tom in NC - home of the Big BUCKLE of the Bible Belt (maybe this has > hardened me by being constantly exposed to those who would get "in my > face!" Maybe.) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie T" > To: "Tom" > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: Master Glass Sets > > : OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Knock it off. So what if he wants to use a > personal > : signature line? Quitchurbeefin bud! We don't need another flame war > going > : on ON the list. Feel free to use your delete button. Freedom is > wonderful! > : > : Tom wrote: > : > : > I usually enjoy others posts to glassbungi. > : > > : > But, when signature lines are of the "in your face" type message, I > : > place those names in a file so that they are not even downloaded > from my > : > server. Sorry to have to do this, but I really don't appreciate > your > : > cyber message. If you want to witness, fine, just witness off the > list > : > as you don't know just who you are trying to witness to. > : > > : > Tom in NC > : > > : > ----- Original Message ----- > : > From: "Larry & Chris Snyder" > : > To: "glass" > : > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:25 AM > : > Subject: Master Glass Sets > : > > : > : I am thinking of purchasing a Master glass set. Most of the > suppliers > : > : have them but for varying prices. Is there one that anyone > prefers > : > : over another or thinks is better value for money? I would welcome > : > your > : > : thoughts. Chris > : > : -- > : > : 2Peter 1:5 - 8 (NIV) > : > : Faith, Goodness; Knowledge; Self-control; Perseverance; > Godliness; > : > : Brotherly Kindness; Love. For if you possess these qualities in > : > : increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and > : > : unproductive > : > : Cns in WY > : > : ---- personally i'm very anti bible - anti religion. personally i didn't even see it there. it would have to be pretty big for me to see it maybe an ASCII monkey or something. i ignore stuff like that. it would be annoying if he tried converting someone up front. i wouldn't worry about it. i never liked the bible pushers myself. don't believe in god. probably should'nt have signed those christian guestbooks, i still get bible greetings and salutations... but in this case it's not all that bad.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 20:13:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:00:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #50 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Tom , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In your face, crap Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:44:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk my only comment on this is why is it OK for someone to put quotes from all sorts of philosiphers (sp?) etc etc etc(which folks on bungi freely do...)..or quotes from other religions..I dare say no one would say a peep if someone had a quote from buddha or Ghandi or Maimonides on their tag line. And awhile back I believe someone had a direct link to her own wiccan web site attached to every post she posted (which btw I was NOT offended by her including it...its a free country...I may strongly disagree with her but shes perfectly entitled to state her views in a nonoffensive manner) and there was nary a negative word about it (or even any word about it if I so remember) But heaven forbid someone quotes the bible...I can only imagine if someone had posted a link to his/her own Christian website the flak that would ensue....methinks I smell a double standard here......something to think about. Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 21:55:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:35:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Elizabeth Arakelian" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: In your face *double standard*? Really? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Double standard? From or by whom, pray tell? Tom From: "Elizabeth Arakelian" snipped...................I can only imagine if someone had posted a : link to his/her own Christian website the flak that would : ensue....methinks I smell a double standard here......something to think : about. : Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 17 22:30:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: In our faces and Morse Museum (new topic) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk --------------817C334B6930C32E78E618FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Umm - hey people - It's January, we're none of us getting enough light, it's cold and windy, we've all got the flu, and February is coming and it's probably even more dreary than January. So can we all take it somewhat easy on each other? I finally got to see the Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL). Long drive from Sarasota (2 hrs on interstates at 80 mph and TRAFFIC). But it was worth it. Not a large museum at all, but an intriguing collection of Tiffany. Unfortunately their La Farge wasn't available for seeing. But I grabbed a docent and she took me about, and I plied her with a multitude of questions, some of which she could answer, and some not. They now have a little publication on Tiffany available only for the staff (written by McKean) - let us hope they make it available for the rest of us. They also have a number of paintings and sketches by Tiffany, a little of the jewelry, and quite a bit of the blown glass. The museum is also concentrated on the Arts and Crafts period, with some fine pottery and glass and a tiny bit of furnature. It was interesting to see how a piece started with a fine finished drawing/painting - a finished work of art in itself, and then see how he/they had reduced it and simplified it so it would work for stained glass. It was also interesting to see how 3-D many of the things were. Oh, I knew about the layering, but you don't realize from photos that he has used marbles - huge shooters, regular ones, tiny ones and blobs of all sizes. And he has faceted them by beating or hammering, as though they were dalle de verre. He either cast or slumped lots of pieces into jewels and other shapes and then incorporated those - not just in the lamps. He also did a lot of 3-D with the solder or lead lines - the way he has used the came-on-came in the eggplant panel is wonderful and really gives that ridged effect of the stalks. Some of the windows were traditionally reinforced, but some had came or reinforcement set on edge so it was way raised up and an intregral part of the 3-D design as well as reinforcing the piece. He also had bowed some circular places. Unfortunately, kinda like Frank Lloyd Wright, he ignored gravity a bit more than he should have. The docent volunteered that the La Farge totally lacks these 3-D effects. The "chapel" done for the Chicago Exposition was impressive, although I guess I expected more, but I guess it too had been in the fire that originally allowed the Morse to have the stuff. The whole thing has been re-set-up some 4 or 5 times, and there was an enormous amount of restoration that had to be done. My, I wish the guy that headed the restoration would write a book with all the details he has learned about how things were done. Elisabeth - I remember you commenting about the cold painting (faces, hands, etc.) on the one window. The docent pointed that out and said it was very common, expecially in European stained glass at the time. Americans were more apt to fire their painting, she said. (Don't know what her source for that was, so can't tell if it was accurate or not.) I particularly took note of the glass itself, since he(they) made it to spec - want red/green for swiss chard? make some. Want pine needles? Throw some black streamers on and fuse. Want interesting water ? Fuse some flakes. I didn't notice any of the thick dense opalescent often used in the Victorian type of church/house windows. His glass mostly was medium when he wanted opacity, and medium/dense at it's most opaque. But I didn't think he used opaque much, other than when he wanted white as a color. The docent noted he often used silver or gold foil backing to the glass - particularly that used for mosaic work, but that for the "chapel" he actually used aluminium - cheaper and wouldn't tarnish, and anything gold was painted, again as a cost measure. He also incorporated river stones, and sliced, colored and polished marble (sometimes foiled, and sometimes used some kind of mastic or morter to hold them in pattern). There is a name for such marble work, but it escapes me. Instead of opalescent, he layered. I was particularly interested in how he/they did it. I didn't know if he just layed one piece on top of another and simply soldered at any join, but the docent said that all the layered pieces were foiled to the ones on top or below. Not that there was a one-for-one correlation, but at some edge a whole layer would be completely foiled to that above or below. Color art photos are wonderful, as are posters, but until you get right up next to the that glass you cannot imagine how subtle and fantastic his use of color was. The shop was very nice with a good selection of books on Tiffany, and the arts and crafts period. There is a fine book on Tiffany works no longer available (The Lost Tiffany by McKean) but it was $100, so somehow I didn't buy it. Are there any books on his studio, the people working for him, etc? How nice he had daddy's money to help set things up so he could afford to investigate all the various properties of glass and metalwork, but, my, he had a large streak of curiosity to go along with towering talent. Anyway, I had a great time, and recommend your going out of your way to see it. Incidentally, across the street is a church with more dalle de verre than I'd ever seen in one place. Very well done, and you can walk into the narthex/foyer, and see some of it right up close. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* --------------817C334B6930C32E78E618FE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Umm - hey people - It's January, we're none of us getting enough light, it's cold and windy, we've all got the flu, and February is coming and it's probably even more dreary than January.  So can we all take it somewhat easy on each other?

I finally got to see the Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL).  Long  drive from Sarasota (2 hrs on interstates at 80 mph and TRAFFIC).  But it was worth it.  Not a large museum at all, but an intriguing collection of Tiffany.  Unfortunately their La Farge wasn't available for seeing.  But I grabbed a docent and she took me about, and I plied her with a multitude of questions, some of which she could answer, and some not.  They now have a little publication on Tiffany available only for the staff (written by McKean) - let us hope they make it available for the rest of us.  They also have a number of paintings and sketches by Tiffany, a little of the jewelry, and quite a bit of the blown glass.  The museum is also concentrated on the Arts and Crafts period, with some fine pottery and glass and a tiny bit of furnature.

It was interesting to see how a piece started with a fine finished drawing/painting - a finished work of art in itself, and then see how he/they had reduced it and simplified it so it would work for stained glass.  It was also interesting to see how 3-D many of the things were.  Oh, I knew about the layering, but you don't realize from photos that he has used marbles - huge shooters, regular ones, tiny ones and blobs of all sizes.  And he has faceted them by beating or hammering, as though they were dalle de verre.  He either cast or slumped lots of pieces into jewels and other shapes and then incorporated those - not just in the lamps.

He also did a lot of 3-D with the solder or lead lines - the way he has used the came-on-came in the eggplant panel is wonderful and really gives that ridged effect of the stalks.  Some of the windows were traditionally reinforced, but some had came or reinforcement set on edge so it was way raised up and an intregral part of the 3-D design as well as reinforcing the piece.

He also had bowed some circular places.  Unfortunately, kinda like Frank Lloyd Wright, he ignored gravity a bit more than he should have.  The docent volunteered that the La Farge totally lacks these 3-D effects.

The "chapel" done for the Chicago Exposition was impressive, although I guess I expected more, but I guess it too had been in the fire that originally allowed the Morse to have the stuff.  The whole thing has been re-set-up some 4 or 5 times, and there was an enormous amount of restoration that had to be done.  My, I wish the guy that headed the restoration would write a book with all the details he has learned about how things were done.

Elisabeth - I remember you commenting about the cold painting (faces, hands, etc.) on the one window.  The docent pointed that out and said it was very common, expecially in European stained glass at the time.  Americans were more apt to fire their painting, she said.  (Don't know what her source for that was, so can't tell if it was accurate or not.)

I particularly took note of the glass itself, since he(they) made it to spec - want red/green for swiss chard? make some.  Want pine needles? Throw some black streamers on and fuse.  Want interesting water ? Fuse some flakes.  I didn't notice any of the thick dense opalescent often used in the Victorian type of church/house windows.  His glass mostly was medium when he wanted opacity, and medium/dense at it's most opaque.  But I didn't think he used opaque much, other than when he wanted white as a color.  The docent noted he often used silver or gold foil backing to the glass - particularly that used for mosaic work, but that for the "chapel" he actually used aluminium - cheaper and wouldn't tarnish, and anything gold was  painted, again as a cost measure.

He also incorporated river stones, and sliced, colored and polished marble (sometimes foiled, and sometimes used some kind of mastic or morter to hold them in pattern).  There is a name for such marble work, but it escapes me.

Instead of opalescent, he layered.  I was particularly interested in how he/they did it.  I didn't know if he just layed one piece on top of another and simply soldered at any join, but the docent said that all the layered pieces were foiled to the ones on top or below.  Not that there was a one-for-one correlation, but at some edge a whole layer would be completely foiled to that above or below.

Color art photos are wonderful, as are posters, but until you get right up next to the that glass you cannot imagine how subtle and fantastic his use of color was.

The shop was very nice with a good selection of books on Tiffany, and the arts and crafts period.  There is a fine book on Tiffany works no longer available (The Lost Tiffany by McKean) but it was $100, so somehow I didn't buy it.

Are there any books on his studio, the people working for him, etc?  How nice he had daddy's money to help set things up so he could afford to investigate all the various properties of glass and metalwork, but, my, he had a large streak of curiosity to go along with towering talent.

Anyway, I had a great time, and recommend your going out of your way to see it.  Incidentally, across the street is a church with more dalle de verre than I'd ever seen in one place.  Very well done, and you can walk into the narthex/foyer, and see some of it right up close.

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*  Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood  and/or  Ralph Bernard Wood
*  Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy)
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  --------------817C334B6930C32E78E618FE-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 04:55:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 04:35:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: bellsouth.net!ladona From: Donna Helms To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: subscription changes Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --------------97F4D631480DA092E535D8F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please be so kind as to remove my name from your list serve. Thank you. Donna --------------97F4D631480DA092E535D8F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please be so kind as to remove my name from your list serve.  Thank you.
Donna --------------97F4D631480DA092E535D8F9-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 05:54:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 05:51:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: [Fwd: In our faces and Morse Museum (new topic)] Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:50:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk --------------A87DB0095A3E314E65EFE83C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no idea why this came up as empty. Hoping for better luck this time. - Cec Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > Umm - hey people - It's January, we're none of us getting enough > light, it's cold and windy, we've all got the flu, and February is > coming and it's probably even more dreary than January. So can we all > take it somewhat easy on each other? > > I finally got to see the Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL). > Long drive from Sarasota (2 hrs on interstates at 80 mph and > TRAFFIC). But it was worth it. Not a large museum at all, but an > intriguing collection of Tiffany. Unfortunately their La Farge wasn't > available for seeing. But I grabbed a docent and she took me about, > and I plied her with a multitude of questions, some of which she could > answer, and some not. They now have a little publication on Tiffany > available only for the staff (written by McKean) - let us hope they > make it available for the rest of us. They also have a number of > paintings and sketches by Tiffany, a little of the jewelry, and quite > a bit of the blown glass. The museum is also concentrated on the Arts > and Crafts period, with some fine pottery and glass and a tiny bit of > furnature. > > It was interesting to see how a piece started with a fine finished > drawing/painting - a finished work of art in itself, and then see how > he/they had reduced it and simplified it so it would work for stained > glass. It was also interesting to see how 3-D many of the things > were. Oh, I knew about the layering, but you don't realize from > photos that he has used marbles - huge shooters, regular ones, tiny > ones and blobs of all sizes. And he has faceted them by beating or > hammering, as though they were dalle de verre. He either cast or > slumped lots of pieces into jewels and other shapes and then > incorporated those - not just in the lamps. > > He also did a lot of 3-D with the solder or lead lines - the way he > has used the came-on-came in the eggplant panel is wonderful and > really gives that ridged effect of the stalks. Some of the windows > were traditionally reinforced, but some had came or reinforcement set > on edge so it was way raised up and an intregral part of the 3-D > design as well as reinforcing the piece. > > He also had bowed some circular places. Unfortunately, kinda like > Frank Lloyd Wright, he ignored gravity a bit more than he should > have. The docent volunteered that the La Farge totally lacks these > 3-D effects. > > The "chapel" done for the Chicago Exposition was impressive, although > I guess I expected more, but I guess it too had been in the fire that > originally allowed the Morse to have the stuff. The whole thing has > been re-set-up some 4 or 5 times, and there was an enormous amount of > restoration that had to be done. My, I wish the guy that headed the > restoration would write a book with all the details he has learned > about how things were done. > > Elisabeth - I remember you commenting about the cold painting (faces, > hands, etc.) on the one window. The docent pointed that out and said > it was very common, expecially in European stained glass at the time. > Americans were more apt to fire their painting, she said. (Don't know > what her source for that was, so can't tell if it was accurate or > not.) > > I particularly took note of the glass itself, since he(they) made it > to spec - want red/green for swiss chard? make some. Want pine > needles? Throw some black streamers on and fuse. Want interesting > water ? Fuse some flakes. I didn't notice any of the thick dense > opalescent often used in the Victorian type of church/house windows. > His glass mostly was medium when he wanted opacity, and medium/dense > at it's most opaque. But I didn't think he used opaque much, other > than when he wanted white as a color. The docent noted he often used > silver or gold foil backing to the glass - particularly that used for > mosaic work, but that for the "chapel" he actually used aluminium - > cheaper and wouldn't tarnish, and anything gold was painted, again as > a cost measure. > > He also incorporated river stones, and sliced, colored and polished > marble (sometimes foiled, and sometimes used some kind of mastic or > morter to hold them in pattern). There is a name for such marble > work, but it escapes me. > > Instead of opalescent, he layered. I was particularly interested in > how he/they did it. I didn't know if he just layed one piece on top > of another and simply soldered at any join, but the docent said that > all the layered pieces were foiled to the ones on top or below. Not > that there was a one-for-one correlation, but at some edge a whole > layer would be completely foiled to that above or below. > > Color art photos are wonderful, as are posters, but until you get > right up next to the that glass you cannot imagine how subtle and > fantastic his use of color was. > > The shop was very nice with a good selection of books on Tiffany, and > the arts and crafts period. There is a fine book on Tiffany works no > longer available (The Lost Tiffany by McKean) but it was $100, so > somehow I didn't buy it. > > Are there any books on his studio, the people working for him, etc? > How nice he had daddy's money to help set things up so he could afford > to investigate all the various properties of glass and metalwork, but, > my, he had a large streak of curiosity to go along with towering > talent. > > Anyway, I had a great time, and recommend your going out of your way > to see it. Incidentally, across the street is a church with more > dalle de verre than I'd ever seen in one place. Very well done, and > you can walk into the narthex/foyer, and see some of it right up > close. > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* --------------A87DB0095A3E314E65EFE83C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no idea why this came up as empty.  Hoping for better luck this time. - Cec

Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote:

Umm - hey people - It's January, we're none of us getting enough light, it's cold and windy, we've all got the flu, and February is coming and it's probably even more dreary than January.  So can we all take it somewhat easy on each other?

I finally got to see the Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL).  Long  drive from Sarasota (2 hrs on interstates at 80 mph and TRAFFIC).  But it was worth it.  Not a large museum at all, but an intriguing collection of Tiffany.  Unfortunately their La Farge wasn't available for seeing.  But I grabbed a docent and she took me about, and I plied her with a multitude of questions, some of which she could answer, and some not.  They now have a little publication on Tiffany available only for the staff (written by McKean) - let us hope they make it available for the rest of us.  They also have a number of paintings and sketches by Tiffany, a little of the jewelry, and quite a bit of the blown glass.  The museum is also concentrated on the Arts and Crafts period, with some fine pottery and glass and a tiny bit of furnature.

It was interesting to see how a piece started with a fine finished drawing/painting - a finished work of art in itself, and then see how he/they had reduced it and simplified it so it would work for stained glass.  It was also interesting to see how 3-D many of the things were.  Oh, I knew about the layering, but you don't realize from photos that he has used marbles - huge shooters, regular ones, tiny ones and blobs of all sizes.  And he has faceted them by beating or hammering, as though they were dalle de verre.  He either cast or slumped lots of pieces into jewels and other shapes and then incorporated those - not just in the lamps.

He also did a lot of 3-D with the solder or lead lines - the way he has used the came-on-came in the eggplant panel is wonderful and really gives that ridged effect of the stalks.  Some of the windows were traditionally reinforced, but some had came or reinforcement set on edge so it was way raised up and an intregral part of the 3-D design as well as reinforcing the piece.

He also had bowed some circular places.  Unfortunately, kinda like Frank Lloyd Wright, he ignored gravity a bit more than he should have.  The docent volunteered that the La Farge totally lacks these 3-D effects.

The "chapel" done for the Chicago Exposition was impressive, although I guess I expected more, but I guess it too had been in the fire that originally allowed the Morse to have the stuff.  The whole thing has been re-set-up some 4 or 5 times, and there was an enormous amount of restoration that had to be done.  My, I wish the guy that headed the restoration would write a book with all the details he has learned about how things were done.

Elisabeth - I remember you commenting about the cold painting (faces, hands, etc.) on the one window.  The docent pointed that out and said it was very common, expecially in European stained glass at the time.  Americans were more apt to fire their painting, she said.  (Don't know what her source for that was, so can't tell if it was accurate or not.)

I particularly took note of the glass itself, since he(they) made it to spec - want red/green for swiss chard? make some.  Want pine needles? Throw some black streamers on and fuse.  Want interesting water ? Fuse some flakes.  I didn't notice any of the thick dense opalescent often used in the Victorian type of church/house windows.  His glass mostly was medium when he wanted opacity, and medium/dense at it's most opaque.  But I didn't think he used opaque much, other than when he wanted white as a color.  The docent noted he often used silver or gold foil backing to the glass - particularly that used for mosaic work, but that for the "chapel" he actually used aluminium - cheaper and wouldn't tarnish, and anything gold was  painted, again as a cost measure.

He also incorporated river stones, and sliced, colored and polished marble (sometimes foiled, and sometimes used some kind of mastic or morter to hold them in pattern).  There is a name for such marble work, but it escapes me.

Instead of opalescent, he layered.  I was particularly interested in how he/they did it.  I didn't know if he just layed one piece on top of another and simply soldered at any join, but the docent said that all the layered pieces were foiled to the ones on top or below.  Not that there was a one-for-one correlation, but at some edge a whole layer would be completely foiled to that above or below.

Color art photos are wonderful, as are posters, but until you get right up next to the that glass you cannot imagine how subtle and fantastic his use of color was.

The shop was very nice with a good selection of books on Tiffany, and the arts and crafts period.  There is a fine book on Tiffany works no longer available (The Lost Tiffany by McKean) but it was $100, so somehow I didn't buy it.

Are there any books on his studio, the people working for him, etc?  How nice he had daddy's money to help set things up so he could afford to investigate all the various properties of glass and metalwork, but, my, he had a large streak of curiosity to go along with towering talent.

Anyway, I had a great time, and recommend your going out of your way to see it.  Incidentally, across the street is a church with more dalle de verre than I'd ever seen in one place.  Very well done, and you can walk into the narthex/foyer, and see some of it right up close.

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*  Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood  and/or  Ralph Bernard Wood
*  Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy)
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*  Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood  and/or  Ralph Bernard Wood
*  Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy)
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  --------------A87DB0095A3E314E65EFE83C-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 06:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 06:34:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: uswest.net!borealis From: Trace To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: test Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:29:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk ....we interrupt the current thread to conduct this test....this is only a test...should this be a real emergency you would be given further instructions....we now return you to the thread already in progress...thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 07:30:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:28:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Intolerance Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:29:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, It is elementary netiquette that a person's signature file, no matter what is in it (other than profanity and/or vulgar language), is not considered to be part of the email and not to be responded to. Anybo= dy can put anything they want in their signature file =85 and its OK bec= ause the signature file automatically appended to every email prepared by = the person is NOT a part of the email. It is also elementary netiquette that off-topic discussions (particularly those involving politics or religion) are to take place OFF-THE-LIST. These two points do not seem clear to everyone so I'm spelling it out= in an unambiguous (I hope) manner. Here in the USA, yesterday was a holiday, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s birthday. This man was one of the many great people this country has produced. Without doubt he was the single most influenti= al Christian of the 20th Century, certainly in this part of the world he was. Many people either overlook or conveniently forget that Dr. Kin= g was, before everything else, a man of faith, a man of the cloth, and = a follower of Jesus of Nazareth. It was for the application of his fai= th to one of the USA's major societal problems that he is remembered and honored once a year on his birthday. Yesterday both Tom from North Carolina and Howard provided excellent examples of intolerance. The religious intolerance demonstrated by T= om and Howard was clear-cut and unambiguous. I would like to thank both= of them for providing us with this excellent example of intolerance so demonstrative of just how far we still have to go. This poignant example was most timely coming as it did on Dr. King's birthday. Both Tom and Howard otherwise seem to be good men, eager to please, a= nd very helpful ... I guess we all have our moments eh? Now =85 could we please kindly get back to the main topic of this lis= t =85 glass? Best regards to all =85=85=85. Bob Kerr PS ... Congratulations to the both of you, Glenna and Dave. Actually= , having had 4 of the little beasts ... errr ... little angels I mean <= G> =2E..... I should offer my condolences since life as you knew it will cease on the birth of the child ... you'll see . BTW, whats wrong with 'Robert' as a first name? LOL Sorry these congratulatio= ns are late, I was away, and then not in the mood for correspondence (lo= ng story that doesn't need telling here). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 07:55:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 07:48:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: aol.com!LMCCDC From: LMCCDC@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bathroom window Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:42:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I know this question has been asked before but for some reason I missed the responses. So, sorry for the duplication. I am going to do a window in a bathroom that is over a bathtub that also has a shower in it. How do I protect the leaded glass? Thanks, Lisa MC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 10:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:16:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: putty - mineral spirits vs. turpentine Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:14:50 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I know we've discussed the various components of putty recipes, inlcuding whiting (vs. cement vs. plaster of paris), linseed oil (boiled vs. raw) and lamp black, but I would like to know the difference in the quality of the putty when the mixture has either mineral spirits or turps added to it. I am not refering the dangers of the flammable material or the inhalation of it... more to the point of the effectiveness of the putty itself. Does one cause the putty to harden faster? or harder? Clean up easier? Are they interchangeable? Does it matter at all? Hope this is not redundant... I've read months of archives on putty, and didn't see this, and could not answer it myself when asked. (I hate it when that happens!) Thanks. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 11:30:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:03:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: In your face, crap Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Oh, good! Here we go again.... all the bozos who can't contribute to a glass conversation are going to jump on the band wagon now and start a = flame fest. Can't you contribute something meaningful?... Like holding up your end of the conversation??? Pertaining to glass, that is! :-( Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 11:30:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:06:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "rrk" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Intolerance? B...S...! Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:04:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Intolerant? Bull! All I suggested was a *neutral* ground we could all agree on. You are EXACTLY the type of person who should be reigned in, in my honest *opinion*, of course. Just who do you think you are anyway? Who ever made you judge and jury concerning 'netiquette'? You are a jerk. I just might be "intolerant", that is I'm very "intolerant" of b...s... like yours. I hate it when people "just like you" (do you know Linda Tripp? I'm sure you do) think they are created God's and love themselves too dearly to even give a damn about how other people feel. Intolerant? Yeah, YOU take the first prize, Bud! Tom in NC - close to Billy G, of course you know him, too, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrk" To: "Bungi Group" Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: Intolerance : : Hi folks, : : It is elementary netiquette that a person's signature file, no matter : what is in it (other than profanity and/or vulgar language), is not : considered to be part of the email and not to be responded to. Anybo= : dy : can put anything they want in their signature file =85 and its OK bec= : ause : the signature file automatically appended to every email prepared by = : the : person is NOT a part of the email. : : It is also elementary netiquette that off-topic discussions : (particularly those involving politics or religion) are to take place : OFF-THE-LIST. : : These two points do not seem clear to everyone so I'm spelling it out= : in : an unambiguous (I hope) manner. : : Here in the USA, yesterday was a holiday, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther : King, Jr.'s birthday. This man was one of the many great people this : country has produced. Without doubt he was the single most influenti= : al : Christian of the 20th Century, certainly in this part of the world he : was. Many people either overlook or conveniently forget that Dr. Kin= : g : was, before everything else, a man of faith, a man of the cloth, and = : a : follower of Jesus of Nazareth. It was for the application of his fai= : th : to one of the USA's major societal problems that he is remembered and : honored once a year on his birthday. : : Yesterday both Tom from North Carolina and Howard provided excellent : examples of intolerance. The religious intolerance demonstrated by T= : om : and Howard was clear-cut and unambiguous. I would like to thank both= : of : them for providing us with this excellent example of intolerance so : demonstrative of just how far we still have to go. This poignant : example was most timely coming as it did on Dr. King's birthday. : : Both Tom and Howard otherwise seem to be good men, eager to please, a= : nd : very helpful ... I guess we all have our moments eh? : : Now =85 could we please kindly get back to the main topic of this lis= : t =85 : glass? : : Best regards to all =85=85=85. Bob Kerr : : PS ... Congratulations to the both of you, Glenna and Dave. Actually= : , : having had 4 of the little beasts ... errr ... little angels I mean <= : G> : =2E..... I should offer my condolences since life as you knew it will : cease on the birth of the child ... you'll see . BTW, whats : wrong with 'Robert' as a first name? LOL Sorry these congratulatio= : ns : are late, I was away, and then not in the mood for correspondence (lo= : ng : story that doesn't need telling here). : : : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 12:30:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:01:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In your Face Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk You Said it well Dani...Thanks. If you don't like the "crap", don't read it..or do as I do..just keep moving on..Let's hear more about glass please.Sharon in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 13:30:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:08:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Sharon Milliken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In your Face Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:06:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Sharon Milliken wrote: > > You Said it well Dani...Thanks. If you don't like the "crap", I, for one, don't like this language, for or against. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 14:01:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:37:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: LMCCDC@aol.com Subject: Re: bathroom window Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:21:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Internal secondary glazing seems to be a good idea. It needs to be safety glass, as it is in a dangerous room (lots of accidents in bathrooms). The glazing should be ventilated to avoid condensation. Alternatively, get a local double glazing firm to encase the leaded window in a double glazed unit. Take their advice on the kinds of cement used, as some units do not like linseed oil. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, LMCCDC@aol.com writes > >I know this question has been asked before but for some reason I missed the >responses. So, sorry for the duplication. I am going to do a window in a >bathroom that is over a bathtub that also has a shower in it. How do I >protect the leaded glass? Thanks, Lisa MC >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 14:04:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:37:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Awbaxter@aol.com Subject: Re: putty - mineral spirits vs. turpentine Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:33:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'll give you my opinion. Do not use plaster of Paris ever. Do not use raw linseed oil. Boiled linseed oil (actually refined, as it is never boiled) has the elements which do not make polymer chains removed. Raw linseed oil takes a very very long time to cure and stiffen. I experimented once by eliminating the mineral spirits and using only linseed oil. The resulting cement looked like the regular stuff, it flowed like the regular stuff, but it took a tremendous amount of whiting to "dry" it, and it took very long to set. So, I recommend that you avoid adding any oily substances (like turpentine) to the cement, as the evaporation rate is so much slower than the spirit. The other side to this is that the cement hardens in the bucket much quicker too. The setting or curing of the cement is not to achieve a hardness. If we wanted that we would include plaster of Paris. The point is to get a stiff, waterproof, long lasting substance into the calme which will cushion the glass by remaining slightly flexible for a long number of years. Linseed oil cement has been proved over centuries. Rubber sealants do not have the same lengthy testing period, they are much more difficult to clean, etc. Hope this meets some of the queries. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Awbaxter@aol.com writes >I know we've discussed the various components of putty recipes, inlcuding >whiting (vs. cement vs. plaster of paris), linseed oil (boiled vs. raw) and >lamp black, but I would like to know the difference in the quality of the >putty when the mixture has either mineral spirits or turps added to it. I am >not refering the dangers of the flammable material or the inhalation of it... >more to the point of the effectiveness of the putty itself. Does one cause >the putty to harden faster? or harder? Clean up easier? Are they >interchangeable? Does it matter at all? -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 14:37:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:20:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Need design help on sidelight Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:24:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have a sidelight by the front door that I'm dying to do something with. Right now it's that lovely amber flemish(?) glass--and it needs to go. However, I'm stumped on design ideas. The size is bad--it's about 48" high, but only 7 1/2" wide. That seems too narrow to be able to do much with. I need to use something besides a bevel cluster because of privacy. (If I could just get the hubby to keep his darn clothes on... not to mention the times we check to see who's at the door and then pretend to not be home...) We just redecorated the house in bright colors and a Caribbean motif--I'd love something with birds of paradise or something like that, but it's so narrow.. Anyone have any ideas on how to use that odd shaped space and still get color and privacy? Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 15:31:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:19:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" , Subject: Re: Need design help on sidelight Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:25:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<75F036A5970CD311A993009027283DC45261F0@exphx.az.stratus.com>> Precedence: bulk Charlie--I like the concept. What would you use for background glass, seeing as how I can't use clear...? Shari > vines with hibiscus flowers. > > i made something similar for someone. it was vines with blue and red trumpet > flowers, with hummingbirds drinking from some of the flowers. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 15:34:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:19:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Shari" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need design help on sidelight Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari" >Anyone have any ideas on how to use that odd shaped space and still get color and privacy? < Opalescent glass and a narrow view of the = sea, a sunset, and perhaps a palm tree? Or a boat? Or maybe just a vine of tropical foliage? Are there decorative motifs peculiar to the Caribbean that could be incorporated? Or some pattern that is used somewhere else in your house that could be adapted to S.G.? Just a few thoughts.... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 15:50:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:22:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:in your face. Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:19:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I guess I have to apologize and explain to everyone that the offensive word was not mine to begin with and I put it in Quotations for that very reason. This is getting to be quite maddening to the point that I do not enjoy nor have the time for this type of banter. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 16:30:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:23:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Sharon Milliken Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re:in your face. Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:19:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sharon Milliken >This is getting to be quite maddening to the point that I do not enjoy nor have the time for this type of banter.< Not to mention that the administrator has shut down the list in the past for precisely this type = of "banter"... let's put it to rest and talk about glass, please.... or something potentially related like art, design, colors, history, creativity, etc. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 17:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:38:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Sharon Milliken" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: In your Face Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I'll drink to that, Sharon! (Can I say that at least without being pelted by the bible thumpers?) I've never read nor heard from most of the very few and far between that got their undies in a wad over "in your face" posts. Those few people really need to get a life. Perhaps they should hang their hats elsewhere as most of them don't even contribute to any stained glass discussions, or they are just nosey and are hoping that somehow their lives will be enriched by 'watching' others communicate about the arts and stained glass in particular. For any true artist, the simple word "crap" should not even raise an eyebrow. Surely they've seen amateurish "crap" that was being sold as "art" before. Or, maybe they've done 'crappy' work themselves that they considered "art" and someone once told them that their work was "crap". I know "crap" when I see it and I'm sure there are plenty of others who do, too. The complainers of the my use of the word "crap" must lead pitiful lives, never watch anything that might mentally engaging or God forbid stimulating. There's another word that should tick some more of the self imposed upper echelon of the artist society, "stimulating". hahahaha! I do know that lots of the art I've seen and really admired, also "stimulated" me in lots of ways! ;) Tom - in NC who had only a few private nasty posts from those that must live under the same rock, out of the mainstream of life. What a "crappy" existence and sheltered life they must lead if the simple word "crap" offends them. Maybe I should have used a stronger word they wouldn't have any trouble understanding? Next time. From: "Sharon Milliken" : You Said it well Dani...Thanks. If you don't like the "crap", don't read : it..or do as I do..just keep moving on..Let's hear more about glass : please.Sharon in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 18:00:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:38:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: 3rd try or Morse Museum Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:37:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk 3rd try I installed a bunch of programs over the last 2 weeks while I was brain dead from the flu/pneumonia/whatever. I suspect Adobe's upgrade to Adobe Type Manager because even the screen font doesn't look right - looks like a bad typewriter - good for a murder solving but not the eyes. Thanks to those of you who gave me feedback. 2nd try - came up partially blank (and I never received it back from Bunji at all) I have no idea why this came up as empty. Hoping for better luck this time. - Cec 1st try - came up blank Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: Umm - hey people - It's January, we're none of us getting enough light, it's cold and windy, we've all got the flu, and February is coming and it's probably even more dreary than January. So can we all take it somewhat easy on each other? I finally got to see the Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL). Long drive from Sarasota (2 hrs on interstates at 80 mph and TRAFFIC). But it was worth it. Not a large museum at all, but an intriguing collection of Tiffany. Unfortunately their La Farge wasn't available for seeing. But I grabbed a docent and she took me about, and I plied her with a multitude of questions, some of which she could answer, and some not. They now have a little publication on Tiffany available only for the staff (written by McKean) - let us hope they make it available for the rest of us. They also have a number of paintings and sketches by Tiffany, a little of the jewelry, and quite a bit of the blown glass. The museum is also concentrated on the Arts and Crafts period, with some fine pottery and glass and a tiny bit of furnature. It was interesting to see how a piece started with a fine finished drawing/painting - a finished work of art in itself, and then see how he/they had reduced it and simplified it so it would work for stained glass. It was also interesting to see how 3-D many of the things were. Oh, I knew about the layering, but you don't realize from photos that he has used marbles - huge shooters, regular ones, tiny ones and blobs of all sizes. And he has faceted them by beating or hammering, as though they were dalle de verre. He either cast or slumped lots of pieces into jewels and other shapes and then incorporated those - not just in the lamps. He also did a lot of 3-D with the solder or lead lines - the way he has used the came-on-came in the eggplant panel is wonderful and really gives that ridged effect of the stalks. Some of the windows were traditionally reinforced, but some had came or reinforcement set on edge so it was way raised up and an intregral part of the 3-D design as well as reinforcing the piece. He also had bowed some circular places. Unfortunately, kinda like Frank Lloyd Wright, he ignored gravity a bit more than he should have. The docent volunteered that the La Farge totally lacks these 3-D effects. The "chapel" done for the Chicago Exposition was impressive, although I guess I expected more, but I guess it too had been in the fire that originally allowed the Morse to have the stuff. The whole thing has been re-set-up some 4 or 5 times, and there was an enormous amount of restoration that had to be done. My, I wish the guy that headed the restoration would write a book with all the details he has learned about how things were done. Elisabeth - I remember you commenting about the cold painting (faces, hands, etc.) on the one window. The docent pointed that out and said it was very common, expecially in European stained glass at the time. Americans were more apt to fire their painting, she said. (Don't know what her source for that was, so can't tell if it was accurate or not.) I particularly took note of the glass itself, since he(they) made it to spec - want red/green for swiss chard? make some. Want pine needles? Throw some black streamers on and fuse. Want interesting water ? Fuse some flakes. I didn't notice any of the thick dense opalescent often used in the Victorian type of church/house windows. His glass mostly was medium when he wanted opacity, and medium/dense at it's most opaque. But I didn't think he used opaque much, other than when he wanted white as a color. The docent noted he often used silver or gold foil backing to the glass - particularly that used for mosaic work, but that for the "chapel" he actually used aluminium - cheaper and wouldn't tarnish, and anything gold was painted, again as a cost measure. He also incorporated river stones, and sliced, colored and polished marble (sometimes foiled, and sometimes used some kind of mastic or morter to hold them in pattern). There is a name for such marble work, but it escapes me. Instead of opalescent, he layered. I was particularly interested in how he/they did it. I didn't know if he just layed one piece on top of another and simply soldered at any join, but the docent said that all the layered pieces were foiled to the ones on top or below. Not that there was a one-for-one correlation, but at some edge a whole layer would be completely foiled to that above or below. Color art photos are wonderful, as are posters, but until you get right up next to the that glass you cannot imagine how subtle and fantastic his use of color was. The shop was very nice with a good selection of books on Tiffany, and the arts and crafts period. There is a fine book on Tiffany works no longer available (The Lost Tiffany by McKean) but it was $100, so somehow I didn't buy it. Are there any books on his studio, the people working for him, etc? How nice he had daddy's money to help set things up so he could afford to investigate all the various properties of glass and metalwork, but, my, he had a large streak of curiosity to go along with towering talent. Anyway, I had a great time, and recommend your going out of your way to see it. Incidentally, across the street is a church with more dalle de verre than I'd ever seen in one place. Very well done, and you can walk into the narthex/foyer, and see some of it right up close. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 19:00:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #51 built 2000-Jan-17) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_9.11073c0.25b681e9_boundary" Subject: Fwd: Misc. Humor Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:56:41 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_9.11073c0.25b681e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received this little joke thing just today... It sort of fits, so i thought i'd pass it along. (just for the record. I belive in God.. Believe in Christ His son, and I don't like those messages, either.) Anne > > A blonde is pushed into a gas station in her new BMW. > The mechanic asks, "What's the matter?" > She says, "It just conked out." > After he works on it for a few minutes, it's purring like a kitten. > She says, "What's the story?" > He says, "Crap in the carburetor." > She says, "How often do I have to do that?" --part1_9.11073c0.25b681e9_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Burke2325@aol.com From: Burke2325@aol.com Full-name: Burke2325 Message-ID: <60.69e425.25b628e2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:36:50 EST Subject: Misc. Humor To: Krisdave3@aol.com, jeburke@stthomas.edu, mvb@tcinternet.net, tburke@corvis.com, THOSBURKE@aol.com, bobvano@glccomputers.com, bdavid@citrus.in, SFer719408@aol.com, Laurence.M.Burke@Travelers.com, LBURKE6652@cs.com, peter.w.burke@am.pnu.com, REGSW@aol.com, Kimshee97@aol.com, MATRONA@aol.com, , (work), G0blet@cs.com, , jessicakim, , , Kropp, SportsJMP@aol.com, , , , , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 A blonde is pushed into a gas station in her new BMW. The mechanic asks, "What's the matter?" She says, "It just conked out." After he works on it for a few minutes, it's purring like a kitten. She says, "What's the story?" He says, "Crap in the carburetor." She says, "How often do I have to do that?" ****************************************************************************** ******************** "If I had been present at creation, I would have given some useful hints." - Alfonso the Wise (1221-1284) ****************************************************************************** ******************** The following is an excerpt from the July 1943 issue of Transportation Magazine. This was serious and written for male supervisors of women in the work force during World War II - a mere 56 years ago! Obviously, the intent was not to be "funny," but by today's standards, this is hilarious! For those of you with efficiency issues, pay attention to #8. Eleven Tips on Getting More Efficiency Out of Women Employees: There's no longer any question whether transit companies should hire women for jobs formerly held by men. The draft and manpower shortage has settled that point. The important things now are to select the most efficient women available and how to use them to the best advantage. Here are eleven helpful tips on the subject from Western Properties: 1. Pick young married women. They usually have more of a sense of responsibility than their unmarried sisters, they're less likely to be flirtatious, they need the work or they wouldn't be doing it, they still have the pep and interest to work hard and to deal with the public efficiently. 2. When you have to use older women, try to get ones who have worked outside the home at some time in their lives. Older women who have never contacted the public have a hard time adapting themselves and are inclined to be cantankerous and fussy. It's always well to impress upon older women the importance of friendliness and courtesy. 3. General experience indicates that "husky" girls - those who are just a little on the heavy side - are more even tempered and efficient than their underweight sisters. 4. Retain a physician to give each woman you hire a special physical examination - one covering female conditions. This step not only protects the property against the possibilities of lawsuit, but reveals whether the employee-to-be has any female weaknesses which would make her mentally or physically unfit for the job. 5. Stress at the outset the importance of time the fact that a minute or two lost here and there makes serious inroads on schedules. Until this point is gotten across, service is likely to be slowed up. 6. Give the female employee a definite day-long schedule of duties so that they'll keep busy without bothering the management for instructions every few minutes. Numerous properties say that women make excellent workers when they have their jobs cut out for them, but that they lack initiative in finding work themselves. 7. Whenever possible, let the inside employee change from one job to another at some time during the day. Women are inclined to be less nervous and happier with change. 8. Give every girl an adequate number of rest periods during the day. You have to make some allowances for feminine psychology. A girl has more confidence and is more efficient if she can keep her hair tidied, apply fresh lipstick and wash her hands several times a day. 9. Be tactful when issuing instructions or in making criticisms. Women are often sensitive; they can't shrug off harsh words the way men do. Never ridicule a woman - it breaks her spirit and cuts off her efficiency. 10. Be reasonably considerate about using strong language around women. Even though a girl's husband or father may swear vociferously, she'll grow to dislike a place of business where she hears too much of this. 11. Get enough size variety in operator's uniforms so that each girl can have a proper fit. This point can't be stressed too much in keeping women happy. ****************************************************************************** ******************** "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Unknown ****************************************************************************** ******************** Thoughts for today: They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken. The Dark Ages Was Caused by the Y1K problem. What happens if you get scared half to death twice? Am I ambivalent? Well, yes and no. If you think there is good in everybody then you obviously haven't met everybody. If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down. Gargling is a good way to see if your throat leaks. Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake. Failure Is Not An Option. It's bundled with your software. If a thing is worth doing wouldn't it have been done already? Ham and Eggs. Just a day's work for a chicken but a lifetime commitment for a pig. ****************************************************************************** ******************** "This poem will never reach its destination." Voltaire (1694-1778) on Rousseau's Ode to Posterity ****************************************************************************** ******************** --part1_9.11073c0.25b681e9_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 22:02:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:57:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #53 built 2000-Jan-18) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: 3rd try or blank messages [ng] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:51:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk OK - let me propose some ideas and let's see if we can narrow down why we are constantly having this problem (which doesn't happen on the other lists I belong to). For one thing - I use the latest Netscape, and yet I could not read the first message except for the header, and I didn't even GET the 2nd. So I think whatever happens is somehow influenced by either the Bungi server, or by Bungi's ISP's software, since I never see this on other lists. (After two weeks out sick, I downloaded 1,445 emails at work into Netscape on a Mac and not one had that problem - that is from about 8 technical listservs.) 1st try: The font showing for my message was not good - odd spacing, ugly and I think one of the new software packages is either having an init conflict, a font conflict, or just jimmied my Netscape settings. While I was writing the message, I was fiddling around with fonts, etc., trying to get it to look right. I rarely do that on the KISS principal - keep it simple stupid. Although I send in both text and html, unless I'm sending to someone on a Mac with html capabilities (my mother), I don't use the html editing much. For a similar reason, I do not use MIME since very few older mail programs, or programs on main frames and minis can handle it. So...does Bungi not like html, except for linking? (HTML is the HyperText Markup Language that turned the internet into the web - with the ability to link from one place in a document to another, or link from one document to another document - anywhere.) More questions - if so, why didn't Netscape also send a text version, since that is how it is set up? Or why didn't Bungi receive/recognize the text version if Netscape sent it? 2nd try: When I got the blank message, I went into Sent Mail, and forwarded my copy of the original mailing - with the brief explanation at the top. Thus, any fiddling with text editing in HTML would still have been embedded in the message. BUT WHY DIDN'T I GET THAT MESSAGE AT ALL? 3rd try: I copied the text from the Sent Mail version, pasted it into a word processor, and changed it to a readable font. I also went into the Netscape Prefs and chose a similar but more readable default font. Then I copied and pasted into Netscape my word processor document. Then I sent that. The problem went away. Further thoughts - rarely in Bungi, but often in the other lists, I will get a *word* or =52 some other =25 wierdity. I don't think those are mime characters, but I do think they are a type of html. People using more advanced html (I forget what it is called), maybe using Eudora, seem to generate these kinds of problems for me, but I can cause that kind of problem with people using older versions of Netscape or Outlook Express when I send only in html. This leads me to conclude that there is an anomaly in Bungi's handling of html. However, it should also be a lesson to us all to make our email as simplistic as possible, with no changing of fonts, no coloring text, no special inserted ASCII characters, no html, etc. So - do I have something here, or not? -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 22:33:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:29:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #53 built 2000-Jan-18) X-Path: kootenay.com!sparent From: Shirley To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Need help with first lamp Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:30:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have just finished my first lamp and though I have a lot, and I mean a lot to learn it is definitely passable for a first try. I live in a small town without access to classes so am self taught from books and can't always find the answers to questions I have so thought maybe some of you might be able to help me. The first question I have is on tinning the vase caps. This lamp called for a 6" one and I had a lot of trouble given the heat sink problem. The books all tell me to use my soldering iron though I couldn't seem to generate enough heat to get a smooth finish. I am using a Weller 100. The second question I have is about the wire reinforcement around the bottom edge. Exactly what purpose does this serve and how important is it that you put it on and what is the best gauge of wire to use? As an aside I just want to tell you Cecily and Ralph how much I enjoyed your Morse Museum piece. My girlfriend who is an avid potter and always lurking through the second hand book stores found "The Lost Treasures of Louis Comfort Tiffany" by Hugh McLean and gave it to me for Christmas in '98. It has become a treasured possession and I can spend hours pouring over it and would love to one day be able to see some of works of the Tiffany Studios. We don't own too much of it in rural British Columbia. Thanks in advance Shirley ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 18 22:35:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:17:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #53 built 2000-Jan-18) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Signatures [ng] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I rarely see signatures on Bungi messages, but they are endemic on the technical lists. An example of a signature is the asterisks and my husband's and my name, etc. at the end of our messages. I suspect many non technical people don't even know they have that capability. I don't sit here and type ****** every time. You create a tiny file that is just the signature, and then you tell your email package to use that at the bottom of your messages. Netscape only allows one, but eMailer allowed me to have more than one and specify which one would be the default signature and which ones were to be used for certain addresses. Some also allow you to have a number of signatures and it randomly selects which ones get sent. People with the latter capability load it up with funny sayings, usually aphorisms. Others often put something that reflects who they are (or wannabe), and even those who put funny sayings on are defining themselves. In my case, we had to put something there that both my husband and I weren't embarrassed about. Over the years, I have created a pretty hefty document I call "Funny Ends" in which I copy those signatures that tickle me. I also started a list of the ones that irk me, but since I didn't think they were worth saving, it's a pretty tiny list. Some people use fixed width fonts to create text pictures - a kind of "Leroy was here". (Aw - you're all too young to know what that is, aren't you?) However that only looks good for people who don't use proportional type and most of use do use it. I know of no list that prohibits signatures, although I do know that the listmoms have asked certain people to change their signatures. In most instances, though, it has been the length of the signature, padding the messages, that triggered such behavior, not content. However, most lists also have certain words that are prohibited. Normally such things as swear words, some of the Anglo Saxen body functions, etc. are usually off limits. However, on the Mac-List the word "virus" is actually prohibited. This filters out the enormous load of hysterical the-sky-is-falling virus hoax mail. Those of us on the list know to write *virus* for serious discussions. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 00:46:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:11:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #53 built 2000-Jan-18) X-Path: the-beach.net!jansen1 From: "D&K JANSEN" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: what happened? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF622B.1485EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 one day i'm on and the next i'm not! can you tell me why and help me = get back? kate ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF622B.1485EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

   
one day i'm on and the next i'm not!  can you = tell me why=20 and help me get back?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01BF622B.1485EBE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 04:02:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:54:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Need help with first lamp Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:53:04 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Tinning the vase cap is a tedious process. You have to first lay the soldering iron on the cap and heat it, then take a small dab of solder and spread it as thinly as possible so there are no bumps. When you think you have spread it far enough, go back and spread it some more. 1/4 inch of solder should be plenty for a 6 inch vase cap. And then when you solder it to the lamp you will sometimes get bumps anyway. I think it was Joe Porcelli at Glass Visions who said you don't need to tin the vase cap at all. I haven't tried it yet, but it makes sense since brass takes patina better than solder. There's also a product that is a mixture of solder and flux that you paint on and then run the soldering iron over it. It works pretty well and is a lot faster. Just received the signature line below in an ebay buyer's email. Quite appropriate at this time..... Brenda Marhon "For those who do not think, it is best at least to rearrange their prejudices once in a while" Luther Burbank (1849-1926) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 04:08:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:01:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF624A.6C47A5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Shirley, We use number 10 wire around the bottom of our lamps. Have you tried = to talke 0000 steel wool to clean your vase cap real good I mean real = good & then patina it. Shake it good & heat your patina up to get it = warm & put it on your vase cap with a clean sponge let it set for about = 10 minutes & rinse it with cold water do not rub it & only pat it dry. = (Novacan patina) See if this will work for you. Hope this helps you = out. Mary & Arkie ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF624A.6C47A5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Shirley,
We use number 10 wire around the bottom of = our=20 lamps.  Have you tried  to talke 0000 steel wool to clean your = vase=20 cap real good I mean real good & then patina it. Shake it good & = heat=20 your patina up to get it warm & put it on your vase cap with a clean = sponge=20 let it set for about 10 minutes & rinse it  with cold water do = not rub=20 it & only pat it dry. (Novacan patina) See if this will work for = you. =20 Hope this helps you out.
Mary & Arkie
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF624A.6C47A5C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 04:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:34:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!THOR7127 From: THOR7127@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: flemish? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:33:10 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk hello, could someone please tell me, what company sales this glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 06:58:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:43:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Need help with first lamp Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:38:49 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/19/00 7:02:49 AM, BMarhon@aol.com writes: >Tinning the vase cap is a tedious process. Not if you have a propane torch - put the cap on a fireproof surface, heat it carefully, apply a little solder, and use the flame to spread the solder around. Not my idea - I first saw Christie do it. Works great! Sparks certified pyromaniac who always tries to play with fire safely ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 08:00:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:53:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need help with first lamp Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley >The second question I have is about the wire reinforcement around the bottom edge. Exactly what purpose does this serve and how important is i= t that you put it on and what is the best gauge of wire to use?< Wire reinforcement around the bottom edge helps keep the lampshade from pulling itself apart (i.e. copper foil tape ripping in a vulnerable point), and it also gives the lampshade's bottom a very finished, nicely round edge. It covers any gaps and/or differences in glass levels between pieces. As to the gauge - I can only purchase one gauge here, 18. It works well.= Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 08:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:53:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need design help on sidelight Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:49:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari" >I have a sidelight by the front door that I'm dying to do something with= From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 08:25:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need help with first lamp Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:49:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley >The first question I have is on tinning the vase caps. This lamp called for a 6" one and I had a lot of trouble given the= heat sink problem. The books all tell me to use my soldering iron though= I couldn't seem to generate enough heat to get a smooth finish. I am using= a Weller 100.< Here's a trick I learned from bungi about tinning a cap - buy yourself a little torch, place the cap on top of a non-flamible surface, and torch it! When it gets hot, the solder will flow very freely over the cap and it's much quicker than the iron method. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 08:30:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:04:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com!DF125031 From: "Becker, Donna" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:03:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm fairly new to stained glass, but I LOVE it. My question is very basic. Every time I solder the 2nd side of my glass, the 1st side seems to get messed up, and I have to go back and fix a lot. I read yesterday that putting a wet towel underneath the glass when doing the backside works, but I haven't tried it yet. Are there any other methods that you all use that work? Donna Becker df125031@ncr.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 10:00:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:40:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:39:02 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <200001191740.LAA29921@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Donna-- Taking pains to make sure your glass fits well (reducing gaps) helps. And keep your iron moving (or turn down the heat) if you're getting melt-throughs.... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 10:36:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:21:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!CWWSLW From: CWWSLW@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bevel cutting Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:19:21 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Howdy Folks! I'm about to start work on a fan shaped transom for over my front door. The design I've drawn out coordinates with 3 square windows that I've already done for my dining room area. In this design, I would have to use a 3x5" diamond shaped bevel that has been cut in 1/2, top to bottom. I've never cut a bevel before. Is this possible? What's the best way to do it? Thanks! Susan Alabama ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 10:37:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:22:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Becker, Donna" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Becker, Donna" >Are there any other methods that you all use that work?< Practice! ;-D Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 11:07:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:24:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list, Glenna. Thanks ~ Dani Message text written by "Tom" >I'll drink to that, Sharon! (Can I say that at least without being pelted by the bible thumpers?) I've never read nor heard from most of the very few and far between that got their undies in a wad over "in your face" posts. Those few people really need to get a life. Perhaps they should hang their hats elsewhere as most of them don't even contribute to any stained glass discussions, or they are just nosey and are hoping that somehow their lives will be enriched by 'watching' others communicate about the arts and stained glass in particular. For any true artist, the simple word "crap" should not even raise an eyebrow. Surely they've seen amateurish "crap" that was being sold as "art" before. Or, maybe they've done 'crappy' work themselves that they considered "art" and someone once told them that their work was "crap". I know "crap" when I see it and I'm sure there are plenty of others who do, too. The complainers of the my use of the word "crap" must lead pitiful lives, never watch anything that might mentally engaging or God forbid stimulating. There's another word that should tick some more of the self imposed upper echelon of the artist society, "stimulating". hahahaha! I do know that lots of the art I've seen and really admired, also "stimulated" me in lots of ways! ;) Tom - in NC who had only a few private nasty posts from those that must live under the same rock, out of the mainstream of life. What a "crappy" existence and sheltered life they must lead if the simple word "crap" offends them. Maybe I should have used a stronger word they wouldn't have any trouble understanding? Next time. < ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 11:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:21:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!Rickola From: Rickola@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Morse Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:59:49 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks very much for recounting your observations at the Morse Museum. It epitomized the purpose of this list. Your account stimulated ideas for materials and techniques in my future glass designs and projects. Thanks for letting me get a glimpse through your eyes. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 11:37:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:32:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Tom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: In your face *double standard*? Really? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:17:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<01b101bf6175$918f0380$ea3152a6@xx>> Precedence: bulk Tom wrote: > > Double standard? From or by whom, pray tell? > > Tom > > a double standard in that no one complains about all manner of quotes that people have pasted after their names and like I said, someone had not just a quote, but a link to her wiccan website (which did NOT offend me...OK...I am just pointing this out by way of contrast of reactions) and there was nary a comment. But someone puts a bible quote up...for no doubt the same reasons that people put up quotes from their favorite writers, philosophers and what have you and there is any outcry about being "in your face"...why is not a link to a wiccan website considered "in your face" or a quote from Emerson or some zen master or whoever else it is people care to quote considered "in your face"...but heaven forbid...a bible quote...THAT is "in your face"...thats what I mean by "double standard" Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 12:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: NG Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:36:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This last brouhaha over a scripture being used in a signature was my swan song, so to speak. When I constantly face horrible insults such as trash television, filthy songs and books and the offering in Brooklyn Museum (to name a very few) all in the name of "Freedom of Expression", it truly offends me to hear and read someone's indignation by the use of Scripture. Please unsubscribe me. Thank you, Mary Barry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 13:12:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:04:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Off the list Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have been inundated with mail about unsubscribing! Just to let you know, I'm not upset, but after all these years on bungi there just isn't much new for me anymore... and, frankly, it was one silly flamefest too many. And, when I see names popping up that never contribute much to a glass discussion... ack... So if you have a glass question, come visit me when I'm doing Martha Stewart Living Online Blue Ribbon expert duty! Go to Martha's website and into the Crafts section.... I'm on duty Tuesdays and Wednesdays. See you there!! P.S. I could use some REAL S.G. questions! = Best to all! ;-)) Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 14:30:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:19:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Offinger Mgmt Co. Trade Shows press release Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following trade shows managed by Offinger Management Co. are coming up. For more information, contact them at: 1100-H Brandywine Blvd P.O. Box 3388 Zanesville, OH USA 43702-3388 phone 740-452-4541 fax 740-452-2552 email: omc.info@offinger.com web: www.offinger.com IGGA does not endorse OMC or any of their trade shows. This is simply passing along a press release. Central Environmental Nursery Trad Show "CENTS" & Short Course 24-26 Jan 2000 Columbus Convention Center, Columbus, OH Trade only; exhibits & classes 1,073 exhibits, 11,901 total registered attendance 144th Ohio State Gift Show Offinger's handcrafted Marketplace 19-20 March 2000 Veterans Memorial Building, Columbus, OH Trade only; 200 exhibits, 2,500 buyers, 2,900 total attendance Bead & Button Show (Bead & Button magazine) 1-4 June 2000 Portland Convention Center, Portland, OR Public show; exhibits & classes 175 exhibits, 3,500 total attendance Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplace 3-4 June 2000 Kansas City Market Center, Kansas City, MO Trade only 100 exhibits, 2,000 buyers, 2,200 total attendance Association of Crafts & Creative Industries (ACCI) Show The Craft and Creative Marketplace 28-30 July 2000 Rosemont Convention Center, Rosemont (Chicago), IL Trade only. Exhibits & classes 1,600 exhibits, 5,000 buyers, 9.000 total attendance Int'l Art Glass Suppliers Trade Show (AGSA) 28-30 July 2000 Rosemont Convention Center, Rosemont (Chicago), IL Trade only. Exhibits & classes 200 exhibits, 1,500 buyers, 1,600 total attendance 145th Ohio State Gift Show 19-20 August 2000 Veterans Memorial Building, Columbus, OH Trade only 250 exhibits, 2,700 buyers, 3,200 total attendance Society of Craft Designers Educational Seminar 4-7 October 2000 Hyatt Regency Minneapolis on Nicollet Mall, Minneapolis, MN Mfg/Designer showcases & education 150 tabletop exhibits, 250 total attendance Glass Show 2000 (Connecticut, Massachusetts & Rhode Island Glass Dealers Associations) 3-4 November 2000 Atlantic City Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ Trade only. exhibits & classes 120 exhibits, 1,200 buyers, 1,400 total attendance Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 15:31:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:29:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:28:48 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/19/00 11:31:24 AM, DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com writes: >Every time I solder the 2nd side of my glass, the 1st side seems to get >messed up, and I have to go back and fix a lot. Sounds like one of 2 things. Either you're running your iron *way* too hot (bet nobody thought they'd ever hear "that li'l ol' solder-boiler, me" say a thing like that, huh?) or you're touching up the same spots repeatedly without giving them time to cool in between passes. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 15:58:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:39:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Need design help on sidelight Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari" >I rec'd this post today on Bungi, but it seems to be lacking the "meat" = of what you were going to say... Dare I ask what else the post said, besides= this little that I rec'd?!< Man, I saw that too. Bummer. I had a nice, long reply to you about the sidelight, which seems to have gone into the computer la la land somewher= e. Anyway...7 1/2" wide is plenty of good space for nice verticle design wor= k. I do sidelights all the time and it's amazing what you can get into that space with some imagination. Since you mentioned you liked tropical scenes, may I suggest some tropical tree branches running at angles up through the sidelight. Leaves and flowers gracefully dropping down. And maybe a small parrot or macaw perched on one of the tree branches, with its lovely tail feathers draping down. Since you're looking for privacy too,= use opaque glass. But you can build in a clear peephole into the design.= If you make it no more than 1" square, it will be near invisible to those= folk who don't know where to look. Best luck with the design. Have fun with it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 16:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:40:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: bevel cutting Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com >In this design, I would have to use a 3x5" diamond shaped bevel that has= been = cut in 1/2, top to bottom. I've never cut a bevel before. Is this possibl= e? What's the best way to do it?< Not only possible, but very easy. Just score it and break it like any other glass. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 16:19:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:48:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Becker, Donna" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:48:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Donna... While you practice and get really good at it...here is a tip. Tin both sides with 50/50 then get yourself a gorgeous bead with 60/40. 50/50 melts at a higher temp than 60/40...so your 60/40 wont melt the 50/50 you tinned and filled any gaps with. Also, you can keep soldering until you get a bead you are happy with, just let your glass cool off, wipe off flux, reflux, and go again. You dont have to stop until you are ready. You will get good at it in no time. Just keep trying. I prefer canfield myself, but am having to use the cheap stuff at work, it is almost like learning all over again. It's so nice to come home to my own little studio and use the good stuff! :o) Tulsa Suzanne "Becker, Donna" wrote: > > Hi, > I'm fairly new to stained glass, but I LOVE it. My question is very basic. > Every time I solder the 2nd side of my glass, the 1st side seems to get > messed up, and I have to go back and fix a lot. I read yesterday that > putting a wet towel underneath the glass when doing the backside works, but > I haven't tried it yet. Are there any other methods that you all use that > work? > > Donna Becker > df125031@ncr.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 16:31:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:00:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bitsofglass From: Bitsofglass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: marys response Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:56:03 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Great going Mary Think Ill go with you.I m sure most of the people in this forum are great> Tom I really feel sorry for you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 16:32:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:07:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:10:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk another thing you can try is to run a first "coat" of 50/50 solder over the seams, then build the bead with 60/40. You'll have less chance of melt-throughs with the 50/50 on the bottom. Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 16:53:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:08:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reminder - Flames Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:07:36 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just a reminder to all - please take any flames off line. This is not a list to encourage this kind of behaviour. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 16:55:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: bevel cutting Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:09:41 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/19/00 7:01:31 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: >Not only possible, but very easy. Just score it and break it like any >other glass. On the "back" (flat) side, that is. Indeed they are easy to cut - you may just need to use a bit more pressure to break them depending on how thick they are. I had to cut a couple of 1/4" thick antique clear glue-chip bevels yesterday for a panel we're working on. They cut beautifully. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 17:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:10:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:09:23 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/19/00 6:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes: > Subj: Re: Soldering the backside > Date: 1/19/00 6:32:07 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: Witchdoc3@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > > > In a message dated 1/19/00 11:31:24 AM, DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com > writes: > > >Every time I solder the 2nd side of my glass, the 1st side seems to get > >messed up, and I have to go back and fix a lot. > > Sounds like one of 2 things. Either you're running your iron *way* too hot > (bet nobody thought they'd ever hear "that li'l ol' solder-boiler, me" say a > > thing like that, huh?) or you're touching up the same spots repeatedly > without giving them time to cool in between passes. > > > Sparks And -----that advice you heard aboput putting a damp cloth or paper towel under your work has much merit. Keep it from getting so hot,--cut better, so there aren't wide gaps in your work, ==and solder cooler. A good iron, or the use of a heat regulator will assist you in getting the results you need; Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 17:09:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:19:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: metal faerie bodies Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:07:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I need your help "Bungi" fans...I'm trying to find a source that I can purchase faerie metal bodies that I can attach glass wings. Saw some beautiful standing faeries in a novelty store today. Would love to learn how to make them. The ones I saw were going for $75.00 each, approximately 6 to 8 inches tall. Also, any input on making them would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Linda U ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 17:15:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:24:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dani Greer Subject: Unacceptable behaviour leading to : Unsubscribe Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:07:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Now see what you have done Tom? You have driven off one of the most respected members of the list who has given a great deal of advice to all members of the list. Shame on you for your bad behaviour! Don't bother to send me another of your bad tempered messages. I won't be reading it. I would much prefer it if you left the list, and took your aggressive behaviour elsewhere. Artist - Pah!!! Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Dani Greer writes >Please remove me from the list, Glenna. >Thanks ~ Dani > >Message text written by "Tom" >>I'll drink to that, Sharon! (Can I say that at least without being >pelted by the bible thumpers?) -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 17:28:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:26:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kaye Sodt Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:22:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001191740.LAA29921@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk I always seem to have a few places where the gap between pieces is too wide. For these, I place a strip of masking tape on the inside of a 3-D piece. Works well and is easy to remove. For 2-D pieces, the fit just has to be better. Steve In message <200001191740.LAA29921@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu>, Kaye Sodt writes >Donna-- > >Taking pains to make sure your glass fits well (reducing gaps) >helps. And keep your iron moving (or turn down the heat) if you're >getting melt-throughs.... > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 17:39:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:18:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Martha Stewart bulletin board Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:16:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I have had lots of questions about my participation on the Martha Stewart Living bulletin boards. First of all, the url is: www.marthastewart.com =46rom there, things are pretty straightforward. = I usually answer questions on Tuesday and Wednesday (pj Friend and John Emery work on other days). When you get to the homepage, click on "Home" or "Crafts". Then click on "bulletin boards". That gets you into more categories again, including "home" and "crafts" again. Pick one. Then to the left, you'll notice a category called "discussions". You may either click "post new" to ask a question or "find". In "find", I suggest folks type in "stained glass" for a listing of all the stained glass related conversations. That's the easiest way to pass up all the non-glass conversations. Don't = be afraid to answer some of the questions either... believe me, after being on bungi a while, most of you can be considered experts on stained glass! Stop by and say "hi" sometime! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 17:40:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:28:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: erols.com!ruf-caimi From: "Valued Compaq Customer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stained Glass Windows Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk History of Church Stained Glass Windows" on Jan 18, 8:46, "Valued Compaq Customer" writes:] > To Whom It May Concern: > I am a student of Historic Preservation and currently researching a church > for my final project. The church was built in 1876 and has stained glass > windows in it. This is a mission church so the windows are very unusal for > it to have. > In my report I would like to included what I can about the History of > Church Stained Glass Windows. Could you recommend a book or article that > would be helpful? Any information would be appreciated. > If you post this to the group I'm sure someone can give you some ideas. (Glass@bungi.com) Ask them to respond to you direcctly since your not a member and wouldn't see this posting if it was sent to the list. Please send any information directly to me, at my e-mail. Thank You for any help Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 18:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:42:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Bitsofglass@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: marys response Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:41:51 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/19/00 7:32:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bitsofglass@aol.com writes: > Great going Mary Think Ill go with you.I m sure most of the people in this > forum are great> Tom I really feel sorry for you > ---- I'd really hate it, if you guys all left. I hope you all will reconsider. I haven't been on here all that long, and i'd hate to see this whole thing fall apart, just for this. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 18:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:11:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Signatures [ng] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001191429.JAA26110@smu0102.ComCAT.COM>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk In the bad old days before there were html capable editors, you encoded simple style changes by putting a special character in front and behind a word. So if you wanted to underline a word you did _this_. Have no idea what the * was for - maybe bold? And the newer fancier html extension is, I think, called xtml? or xml? suzy wrote: > Cec, I enjoyed this e-mail. Thanks for explaining some things about > computer "netiquette" in a sane, non-emotional way. > > What does putting a word in asterisks do? Make the computer not see it, > thus not filter it out? > > Thanks for giving me the opportunity to look up the meaning of aphorism > too! > Love to learn new words. > > Suzanne -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 19:41:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:29:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: Bitsofglass@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Unsubscribe me too Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:14:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Bitsofglass@aol.com wrote: > > Great going Mary Think Ill go with you.I m sure most of the people in this > forum are great> Tom I really feel sorry for you > ---- > yes, me too...I am tired of garbage touted in the name of "free speech"....Mapplethorpe and other such garbage...yet heaven forbid someone quotes the bible. Sorry if I didnt contribute "enough" stained glass commentary to "earn" the right to comment on something NG...oh well... Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 19:45:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:34:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: flemish? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:34:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Most any retailer should have ar be able to get Flemish for you... Wissmach and Pilkington are 2 makers of this glass... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: THOR7127@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: flemish? >hello, >could someone please tell me, what company sales this glass. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 20:08:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:47:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bitsofglass@aol.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: marys response Date: Wed, 19 Jan 00 20:46:44 Message-ID: <200001200346.UAA23728@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk We won't all go Mary.. some things are just worth ignoring, you know? This last little flame war was just that 'little'.. I've seen lots worse, and they are better treated with silence.. Just ignore that stuff and keep on asking questions! I'll have stopped learning things when I'm passing onto the next life! Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 20:16:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:01:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: "Dani Greer" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Off the list Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:00:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I for one will miss reading your comments and tips Dani... I dont blame you tho.. I myself dont participate much anymore because of the bickering and massive amounts of non-glass posts... I work between 80-90 hours a week and my free time is valuable to me... When I 1st got on the list a few years back I really enjoyed it... I skip 90% of the 'noise' on here now.. Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: Off the list >Hi all, > >I have been inundated with mail >about unsubscribing! Just to let you >know, I'm not upset, but after all these >years on bungi there just isn't much new >for me anymore... and, frankly, it was one >silly flamefest too many. And, when I see >names popping up that never contribute >much to a glass discussion... ack... So if >you have a glass question, come visit me >when I'm doing Martha Stewart Living Online >Blue Ribbon expert duty! Go to Martha's >website and into the Crafts section.... I'm on >duty Tuesdays and Wednesdays. See you >there!! P.S. I could use some REAL S.G. >questions! = > > >Best to all! ;-)) > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >www.igga.org/greer/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 20:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:47:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Signatures [ng] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:43:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<388683D5.5C2A171F@home.com>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Sent this just to Suzy but then thought someone else might like to know why. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > oh oh I see what you mean - why *virus*? Because it literally thinks that is > a 6 letter word - it hasn't been told to do a sub-string search. That takes a > lot more programming. When you have a search or find function where you give > it something to look for and it hunts to see if that is CONTAINED in the > title, or text, then you'd pick up that the word virus is contained in > *virus*. However this is looking for something that EQUALS virus - so it has > to have an exact match. > > suzy wrote: > > > on this day you wrote: > > > > >In the bad old days before there were html capable editors, you encoded > > >simple style changes by putting a special character in front and behind a > > >word. So if you wanted to underline a word you did _this_. Have no idea > > >what the * was for - maybe bold? And the newer fancier html extension is, > > >I think, called xtml? or xml? > > > > Yes, I was a typesetter for 30 years. When we wanted italic or bold it > > was a style change both before and after the word or words. Probably a > > carryover from that. I still don't understand why putting the word > > between symbols would make the computer ignore it. Just curious :) -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 20:43:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:02:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Tracy Reitmann To: MATRONA@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: marys response Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:02:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I agree with you Anne....it'd be a shame to waste wonderful people just because of this horrible incident from one person's unwanted and unwelcomed criticism of another. It'd be a real shame. I hope the people talking about leaving will reconsider and stay with us in Bungi-land! MATRONA@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/19/00 7:32:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Bitsofglass@aol.com writes: > > > Great going Mary Think Ill go with you.I m sure most of the people in this > > forum are great> Tom I really feel sorry for you > > ---- > I'd really hate it, if you guys all left. I hope you all will reconsider. > I haven't been on here all that long, and i'd hate to see this whole thing > fall apart, just for this. > Anne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 20:51:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Soldering the backside Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I've been told by a very good professional that if you have a gap that is just too large, whether doing foiled pieces or came, take a chunk of came and wedge it in the gap and cover it with solder. Of course, maybe you need to recut a piece. - Cec Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/19/00 11:31:24 AM, DF125031@exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com > writes: > > >Every time I solder the 2nd side of my glass, the 1st side seems to get > >messed up, and I have to go back and fix a lot. > > Sounds like one of 2 things. Either you're running your iron *way* too hot > (bet nobody thought they'd ever hear "that li'l ol' solder-boiler, me" say a > thing like that, huh?) or you're touching up the same spots repeatedly > without giving them time to cool in between passes. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 19 20:58:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:21:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Dani Greer , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Off the list Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Oh dear - PLEASE don't quit. I don't know what set that idiot off, and I tried to pour some oil on troubled waters, but it WILL die down, and we need you. I'm learning all the time from your participation. I've been on since August or September and that's the first time I've ever seen a true flame, and most of it is one-sided. Just picture the culprit(s) as frothing at the mouth - with an enormous mouth and shark teeth - sort of Heronymous Bosch-ish and ignore. Maybe we need some kind of Bungi Behaviour code? I'd be glad to pull something together, using some of the lists I belong to as examples. As a priviledge of membership we should have to abide by such? Dani Greer wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been inundated with mail > about unsubscribing! Just to let you > know, I'm not upset, but after all these > years on bungi there just isn't much new > for me anymore... and, frankly, it was one > silly flamefest too many. And, when I see > names popping up that never contribute > much to a glass discussion... ack... So if > you have a glass question, come visit me > when I'm doing Martha Stewart Living Online > Blue Ribbon expert duty! Go to Martha's > website and into the Crafts section.... I'm on > duty Tuesdays and Wednesdays. See you > there!! P.S. I could use some REAL S.G. > questions! = > > Best to all! ;-)) > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > www.igga.org/greer/ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 00:15:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: flemish? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:03:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 07:33 19/01/00 EST, THOR wrote: >hello, >could someone please tell me, what company sales this glass. > >- In the UK (where Flemish is made by Pilkingtons Glass) it is sold by all glass suppliers - not specialist stained glass suppliers on the whole as it is considered an ordinary domestic-type glass for windows, thermal units etc. It comes in either 4mm or 6mm thickness but no longer in any colours - only clear. It can be easily recognised by the "tulip" shape that appears at regular intervals in the pattern. By the way we often see it installed in windows by people who have not noticed this part of the pattern and the tulip shape is sometimes on its head, sometimes sideways but traditionally should be used with this flower shape upright! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 00:30:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:03:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Subject: Re: marys response Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:01:41 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001200346.UAA23728@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk I agree one hundred percent. Don't take offence at the ill considered, rude remarks and bad temper that sometimes appear. It simply doesn't pay to respond. If somebody is crass enough to utter it to start with you probably will not be able to make one jot of difference to their attitudes. Much more importantly you might goad the beast and extend the nonsense! Sadly there are people on Bungi who are well worth ignoring and if we don't speak to them they will certainly wonder off. BtB > We won't all go Mary.. some things are just worth ignoring, you know? > > This last little flame war was just that 'little'.. I've seen lots worse, and they are better > treated with silence.. Just ignore that stuff and keep on asking questions! > > I'll have stopped learning things when I'm passing onto the next life! > > Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 02:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:20:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Don Udey , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: metal faerie bodies Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:25:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda, Go here: http://www.warner-criv.com/search/dept_search.asp?mscssid=&qu=3001&ct=wc_dept&row_count=2&img=on&x=16&y=15 Or just got to: http://www.warner-criv.com/ and shop to your hearts content! Hilary > I need your help "Bungi" fans...I'm trying to find a source that I can > purchase faerie metal bodies that I can attach glass wings. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 04:23:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:03:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!SGriffiSBG From: SGriffiSBG@aol.com To: brian.shepherd@ukonline.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: marys response Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:01:29 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I agree, ignoring the ignorant! Responding in anger only causes the individual who responds emotional and physical problems. The giver of the offense couldn't care less as he relishes in the controversy which ensues getting his 'kick' for the day. Which by the way only shows how immature he really is. Emotional maturity enables another to tolerate another's immaturity. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 05:02:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: What a pity. Such a shame. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:45:44 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk It is always loose nut that brings down a prefectly running machinery, isn't it? Shakeel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 07:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:27:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: aol.com!NEICYDENN From: NEICYDENN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:25:25 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old iron with great results. Thanks in advance for you advice! Denise ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 08:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:11:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I also have a great interest in this. I have _heard_ that using a rheostat on a tip controlled iron will "cause it to burn up". I can see where this might be fact as using rheostat could cause the maximum temperature of the iron to drop below the 'tip controlled' temperature thus causing the heating element in the iron to run @ 100% duty cycle and I don't think the iron was designed with that in mind. That might lead to premature value of the heater. At one point I was going to call Cooper Tools but have never gotten around to it. Someone on Bungi has contacted them, but not about this. That's my spin on this but, seeing as how I own one of these bad-boys, I'm also interested in using a rheostat and don't 'really' want to buy a second iron yet... -G [snip] From: > I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be > using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be > changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just > use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old > iron with great results. > Denise [snip] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 09:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:55:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: exchange.DAYTONOH.NCR.com!DF125031 From: "Becker, Donna" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Soldering the Backside Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:53:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I just wanted to thank EVERYONE for their responses to my question. I really appreciate the help and all those votes of confidence. I'm new to this email list, but getting the GLASS emails in-between all my "work" emails gives me a welcome break. I am looking forward to more. Thank You all again! Donna Becker df125031@ncr.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 09:19:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:57:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:54:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk --------------4A1CF47E1D585DA1C5CFCA4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I bought my Weller 100 about a year ago, I was told specifically by the sales woman at the store to NOT use a rheostat because it would definitely burn up the heating element, and she knew this from her own mistake. :-) Sherrie NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: > I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be > using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be > changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just > use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old > iron with great results. > > Thanks in advance for you advice! > Denise > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><> --------------4A1CF47E1D585DA1C5CFCA4A Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I bought my Weller 100 about a year ago, I was told specifically by the sales woman at the store to NOT use a rheostat because it would definitely burn up the heating element, and she knew this from her own mistake.  :-)

Sherrie

NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote:

I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be
using my rheostat temp control with it.  I understand that the tips are to be
changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just
use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old
iron with great results.

Thanks in advance for you advice!
Denise
 

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Sherrie L. Soleim
University of Oregon
Library Personnel Services
soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu
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  --------------4A1CF47E1D585DA1C5CFCA4A-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 09:23:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:20:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glass at a younger age.. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:19:13 -0800 Message-ID: <200001201719.JAA23968@ark.com> Precedence: bulk Isn't it great!! I was 45 before I started to work in stained glass and glass related hobbies. Now people are getting into glass at the tender age of 3 or 4!!! (At least mentally---Mind you, there are some countries that have prefered to bomb other countries for less!) WOW!! Ain't this a great Y2K? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 10:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:15:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: metal faerie bodies Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk When you do attach the wings, TURN DOWN the heat on your soldering iron...I have to, at least. I tend to solder hot, and if I don't turn down the heat, I just melt a hole in the bodies. Also be careful with the fairies when you attach the wings if you want the piece to be symmetrical. You'll want the wings to stand out from the body at the same angle. You will be wishing you have four hands, so think it out ahead of time, else you'll do what my dear John did a couple of years ago while making one of those things....he started to pick up the soldering iron by the wrong end! A nice look for the metal bodies is to smear on some gold Rub 'n Buff, then rub and buff it. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Udey To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: metal faerie bodies > I need your help "Bungi" fans...I'm trying to find a source that I can > purchase faerie metal bodies that I can attach glass wings. Saw some > beautiful standing faeries in a novelty store today. Would love to > learn how to make them. ...> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 10:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:51:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk hmmm... where did my message go? I'll try again. ~~ When I bought my Weller 100 about a year ago, I was told specifically by the sales woman at the store to NOT use a rheostat because it would definitely burn up the heating element, and she knew this from her own mistake. :-) Sherrie NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old iron with great results. Thanks in advance for you advice! Denise -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 10:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:36:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:11:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk It was always my feeling that it was an improper use of a Weller 100. It simply wasn't designed to be used in this way. I will look forward to a definitive answer! BtB ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregg Wood To: Glass @ Bungi Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control > I also have a great interest in this. > > I have _heard_ that using a rheostat on a tip controlled iron will > "cause it to burn up". I can see where this might be fact as using > rheostat could cause the maximum temperature of the iron to drop > below the 'tip controlled' temperature thus causing the heating > element in the iron to run @ 100% duty cycle and I don't think the > iron was designed with that in mind. That might lead to premature > value of the heater. > > At one point I was going to call Cooper Tools but have never gotten > around to it. Someone on Bungi has contacted them, but not about this. > > That's my spin on this but, seeing as how I own one of these bad-boys, > I'm also interested in using a rheostat and don't 'really' want to buy a > second > iron yet... > > -G > > [snip] > From: > > I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should > be > > using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to > be > > changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I > just > > use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old > > iron with great results. > > Denise > [snip] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 11:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:58:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: kootenay.com!sparent From: Shirley To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Need help with first lamp Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:59:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thank you to all for the responses to my cry for help. It is alway so difficult when you encounter a problem and just don't have the expertise to conquer it and so wonderful to have a group like you to help out with them. I am sure I will have many more questions in the future and will not hesitate to ask for assistance. Shirley Parent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 11:52:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:13:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mail.one.net>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk I thought that is what the different tips were for. If you iron is too hot you switch to a cooler tip. I know I wouldn't take a chance of burning up the iron. Just my opinion. Sherrie. Debbie Taylor wrote: > i have been doing glass for 13 years .. as a profession for 7, and use a > reostat on mine every day of the week! > i recommend to all my students because i feel that just starting out, the > iron is too hot for a beginner .. they get too many mushrooms and burn the > glue out of the foil too easy.. > again, this is just my opinion .. > > debbie taylor - cincinnati, ohio > * * * * * * * * > kleeman@one.net > (513) 231-0082 > (513)860-4762 > 1-888-488-9616 > fax: (413) 832-3470 > voice mail: (513) 766-2000 ext 3073 > Stained Glass Supplies - http://www.taylordexpressions.com > WATKINS Ind. Rep - business opportunity- http://www.winnersteam.com/djt > FULLERBRUSH Ind Rep - http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/fullerbrush > DRI-WASH 'N GUARD - mailto: kleeman@one.net > AVON Ind Rep - mailto: kleeman@one.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sherrie Soleim > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control > > > hmmm... where did my message go? I'll try again. > > > > ~~ > > > > When I bought my Weller 100 about a year ago, I > > was told specifically by the sales woman at the > > store to NOT use a rheostat because it would > > definitely burn up the heating element, and she > > knew this from her own mistake. :-) > > > > Sherrie > > > > NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: > > > > I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron > > and am wondering if I should be > > using my rheostat temp control with it. I > > understand that the tips are to be > > changed when you want to change temperatures. > > Will it hurt the iron if I just > > use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have > > always used it with my old > > iron with great results. > > > > Thanks in advance for you advice! > > Denise > > > > > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Sherrie L. Soleim > > University of Oregon > > Library Personnel Services > > soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 12:56:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:31:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: metal faerie bodies Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:37:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk > You will be wishing you > have four hands, Amen to that! I made a few butterfly ladies for Christmas this year--a big hit, by the way. But tough to get those wings on just right so the bottom just touches the table and helps balance her. I tried both putting one wing on at a time, and soldering the wings together first and then attaching them...haven't yet discovered the easiest or best way yet. Anyone out there discover the secret that makes this easy? > A nice look for the metal bodies is to smear on some gold Rub 'n Buff, then > rub and buff it. > Dorothy--I'd love to know more about this Rub 'n Buff stuff. Like what is it, and where do you find it... Thanks, Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 13:01:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Gregg Wood Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:50:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk OK I'll add that I think a temperature controlled iron should not be run on a rheostat. A rheostat is probably the only controller acceptable for irons which have no internal temperature controls. But why would you want to run an iron that constantly heats up, getting hotter and hotter unless used to solder, so draining heat away. This must be why they are usually below 100W. When you have a 100W + iron, some temperature control is a must as there is so much potential heat. I use a 200W iron (some say it is too heavy) for almost all my soldering. I don't find much difference between the 700 and 800 bits, they both deliver the required head without cool periods, at the speed I need it. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Gregg Wood writes >I also have a great interest in this. > >I have _heard_ that using a rheostat on a tip controlled iron will >"cause it to burn up". I can see where this might be fact as using >rheostat could cause the maximum temperature of the iron to drop >below the 'tip controlled' temperature thus causing the heating >element in the iron to run @ 100% duty cycle and I don't think the >iron was designed with that in mind. That might lead to premature >value of the heater. > >At one point I was going to call Cooper Tools but have never gotten >around to it. Someone on Bungi has contacted them, but not about this. > >That's my spin on this but, seeing as how I own one of these bad-boys, >I'm also interested in using a rheostat and don't 'really' want to buy a >second >iron yet... > >-G > >[snip] >From: >> I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should >be >> using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to >be >> changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I >just >> use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old >> iron with great results. >> Denise >[snip] > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 13:20:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:39:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: software Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:37:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of any software for stained glass designing compatible with (mac) computers ? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 13:25:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:55:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: NEICYDENN@aol.com Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:38:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk This question will bring out the two opposing camps - use and don't use. (I'm in the don't use camp) There are really only a few times when you need fine temperature control, and they are mostly when you want decorative effects on your soldering. The rest is mostly experience. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, NEICYDENN@aol.com writes >I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be >using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be >changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just >use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old >iron with great results. > >Thanks in advance for you advice! >Denise >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 13:29:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:41:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #56 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: re . un subscribe Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk For the short time I have been on this list, I have benefited enormously from it, with offers of assistance from UK bungi's. (again thanks Allan it was a great help) and technical advice from just lurking watching other peoples questions. This is something I think we all should cherish. This latest incident has lost us some valuable people with good input. The same names crop up every time someone puts out an appeal. Personally am a vegetarian, non Christian, with very deep beliefs, but they are my beliefs, that I have discovered over the past few years and I leave people to take their own pathway to theirs. Much as I don't like people selling me their wares, I deal with it the same way as all mail that I do not wish to read. It obvious that its a quote from the bible, if you want to read do it,I'm sure that it may be uplifting for some, if you do not want to read it (as in my case, find it not relevant to me.)don't read it. I'm sure it must be more complicated than that as it seems just to easy. Peoples beliefs, are their beliefs, I respect them as I would expect them to treat me the same. So lets all keep a level of tolerance out there and use the list for its full potential and hope the people who have left rejoin to contribute their valuable information. IF ANYONE HAS ANY PERSONAL COMMENTS TO ME CONCERNING THIS MAIL, PLEASE DO SO PERSONALLY AND NOT ON THE LIST all the best Charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 14:43:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:33:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: how'd they do that and e-bay question Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:20:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi gang, I have been looking around e-bay, doing a little market research. I came upon a stained glass coke a cola panel. The lettering is block print and not soldered, so I am thinking they used flash glass. The part that represents the coke bottle is waving(thick)with the same style lettering. That one has me stumped! Any one know how it was done? It is certainly intriguing since it has 16 bids on it. And while we are discussing e-bay. Has anyone here had any luck selling on it? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 15:36:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:22:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: NEICYDENN@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:21:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I use a rheostat and dont seem to go through irons or tips too quickly. At the shop, we dont use rheostats, and I miss it. It's so nice to have the temperature you want for the specific job you are doing. Tulsa Suzanne NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: > > I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be > using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be > changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just > use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old > iron with great results. > > Thanks in advance for you advice! > Denise > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 16:09:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:45:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:44:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk From: :....am wondering if I should be using my rheostat temp control with it. :... understand .. tips are to be changed when you .. change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). :.............have always used it with my old iron with great results. : Denise Denise, I don't know where you got the information: wondering about use of rheostat temp control change tips to change temps. I've always used a rheostat temp control and *never* changed tips to control the temperature. The only thing changing tips allows you to do is smaller or larger areas, the temp remains the same. Tom in NC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 16:16:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:56:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What a pity. Such a shame. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:47:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk No, Shakeel, that's not a true blanket statement. Blanket statements are never 100% accurate. Loose nut? Perfectly running machinery? Details, please? Tom in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 2:45 AM Subject: What a pity. Such a shame. : It is always loose nut that brings down a prefectly running machinery, isn't : it? : : Shakeel : : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 16:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:57:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sherrie Soleim , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:33:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I apologise re: my earlier response. I didnt realise you were talking about an iron that already had a temperature control in it. I just use a regular old cheap 100 watt iron, and use my rheostat with it. I've had the rheostat for 16 years, it works great so I dont change it. In 6 years of use, I've used two different irons, the only reason I had to get a new one was the tips for my old one are no longer being made. Warner Criv helped me find exactly what I wanted, btw. Suzanne > When I bought my Weller 100 about a year ago, I was told specifically by the > sales woman at the store to NOT use a rheostat because it would definitely burn > up the heating element, and she knew this from her own mistake. :-) > > Sherrie > > NEICYDENN@aol.com wrote: > > > I just bought a new Weller 100 soldering iron and am wondering if I should be > > using my rheostat temp control with it. I understand that the tips are to be > > changed when you want to change temperatures. Will it hurt the iron if I just > > use the rheostat? (I only have 2 tips). I have always used it with my old > > iron with great results. > > > > Thanks in advance for you advice! > > Denise > > Sherrie Soleim wrote: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 16:30:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:59:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: metal faerie bodies Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:35:14 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk That's interesting, Dorothy, I had the exact opposite experience. I didnt have much luck until I cranked my iron up darn near full force. ;o) Suzanne Family Account wrote: > > When you do attach the wings, TURN DOWN the heat on your soldering iron...I > have to, at least. I tend to solder hot, and if I don't turn down the heat, > I just melt a hole in the bodies. Also be careful with the fairies when you > attach the wings if you want the piece to be symmetrical. You'll want the > wings to stand out from the body at the same angle. You will be wishing you > have four hands, so think it out ahead of time, else you'll do what my dear > John did a couple of years ago while making one of those things....he > started to pick up the soldering iron by the wrong end! > > A nice look for the metal bodies is to smear on some gold Rub 'n Buff, then > rub and buff it. > > Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 16:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:23:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: 100's # of scrap glass Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:13:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk I have been contemplating getting rid of MANY years of SMALL pieces of scrap hand made glass. Most of the glass scraps are 2-3-4-5 color mixes. Note: these pieces are from lamp shades and are great for small piece mosaic work! Most of it is primarily opalescent type glass. I doubt there are any pieces much larger than 3 square inches. REMEMBER SMALL PIECES!!!!!!!!! I also have ends that are bigger and can send some of them, too. I have most of it segregated by color. Should be easy to box up and ship as "breakage" is not a problem. I will use the small sized priority USPS mail boxes. I CERTAINLY want something for my time and expect YOU to pay shipping! I will try to fill color requests and # orders, but NOT take a piece of this and that type order. Other choice is just to take it to a recycling depot or bury it in the sand of my yard and be done with it. My suggestion is to e-mail me directly, rather than a blanket post to ALL(how many ever are left) members of the list.......... Feeling good after the last trip to the surgeon, off the cane and have no pain at all. Currently working on a 20" fly, and a 16" fly next! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 17:22:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:02:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ideas for glass Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:11:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi all, I am spending my day looking at ebay(whenever the phone lines will let me). I just found curtain tie backs. Ya know the things you mount on the wall and then drape your window curtains around. Anyway they were a flower and looked like fuses petals. But just think of all the possibilities!! Besides flowers I mean. It was a thought. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 17:44:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:21:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Wayne Munro" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass at a younger age.. Date: Thu, 20 Jan 00 18:19:59 Message-ID: <200001210119.SAA05344@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Yeah, Wayne, I promote it all I can , on a personal level.. not wholesale.. Everyone needs beauty surrounding them, some more than others!! (that includes me!) Candy who currently has 8 students in her little studio On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:19:13 -0800, Wayne Munro wrote: >Isn't it great!! I was 45 before I started to work in stained glass and >glass related hobbies. Now people are getting into glass at the tender age >of 3 or 4!!! (At least mentally---Mind you, there are some countries that >have prefered to bomb other countries for less!) >WOW!! Ain't this a great Y2K? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 17:50:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:23:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: how'd they do that Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:31:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Sorry group, I shouldn't ask a question about a product when it is at the end of its bidding time. It is already gone from the list. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 18:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:48:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "charlie hodge" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: re . un subscribe Date: Thu, 20 Jan 00 18:08:10 Message-ID: <200001210107.SAA04474@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Sorry Charlie, I just had to respond to both you and the elist... YOU are a VERY WISE person! And I applaud you, privately and publicly. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 18:43:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:26:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: NEICYDENN@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:23:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Denise: You asked about using a rheostat with the Weller 100. In a discussion strand not too long ago it was decided that one could use the rheostat (or not) without any ill effects. I have a Weller100 with the rheostat and have used it for about 10 years. I have had to replace a tip but other than that it serves me well. Actually, if you do decorative soldering you will want to be able to use the rheostat. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 20:03:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:55:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hot Glass Horizons 2000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 00 20:53:14 Message-ID: <200001210353.UAA15998@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk anybody going? do we get any kind of discount thru IGGA? Oh Heavens!!! I WANT TO GO!! (May 4-6th, Corning, NY, stay in the Radisson,, anybody wanna share? You have to pay March 15th) Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 20:16:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:11:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: sizes of scrap Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:21:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Measure off 3 square inches...1"x3" .5" by 3" .75"X2" remember SMALL pieces! ........NOT 3 inches square! My work is shades and there are few large pieces to start with in them. I will send a post with a more accurate assessment of the sizes of scraps (chips)! Will also fill a box and see what it weighs over the weekend........ Main mfgs. Bullseye/old and new, Uroborus/old and new, Yock. Most of the scraps are un-cats, end of day, and non-production colors! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 21:34:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:18:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: revised thinking on scrap Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:25:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk After carefully assessing (for about 10 seconds) my scrap boxes, please disregard all of the prior information on sizes.....rest of it is still valid! NEW (and may even stay accurate) INFORMATION ON SIZES!!!!! The usps boxes that seem a good balance for size of glass are 7"x7"x6". I have a lot of scrap that will fit nicely, and may be close to 7"x7"......The real small stuff is not practical to use or try to sell. I will try to send nothing SMALLER 3"x3". I am leaning toward $1.25 a pound, or about $12.50 for a 10# box. Will gladly round down the costs and up on the weight. Most of the glass is handmade and most colors.... I will find out approximate cost per pound to about 10 pounds for USPS Priority tomorrow. Larger amounts would probably be more cost effective going UPS......... I have glass that were ONE time only sheets, experimental colors and even a few textures........well worth taking a shot at sight unseen! later, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 20 22:52:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:38:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:37:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > When I bought my Weller 100 about a year ago, I was told specifically by the > sales woman at the store to NOT use a rheostat because it would definitely burn > up the heating element, and she knew this from her own mistake. :-) > > Sherrie And she MAY have been right. Some lighting rheostats function by changing the voltage and this is thought by some to have unspecified drawbacks. I use the Glastar Temperature Control which cycles on/off as adjusted. The Weller W-100 comes standard with a 700'F 3/8" chisel tip. There are other tip sizes and temperatures available. The standard 700'F tip is fine for all but heavy work and detail/decorative soldering. It functions by turning the iron on/off by the action of a bimetallic plug in the base that contacts a switch in the iron. When used with a temperature control the heat of the iron can be reduced to about the melting point of solder and great control of the solder is possible. For my taste I prefer a cheap but light weight 100 watt iron with the Glastar control. When the phone rings I turn it down to 50 and it will idle there all day if necessary. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 01:33:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:29:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "Jones B.S." To: 'Gregg Wood' , "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: soldering iron & temp control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:49:11 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Gregg Wood..... >>I also have a great interest in this. >>I have _heard_ that using a rheostat on a tip controlled iron will >>"cause it to burn up". I can see where this might be fact as using There isn't any easy answer to this as there are several ways of temperature controlling an iron that are marketed world wide. The main three are 1.mechanical thermostat in the iron body near the tip with electrical contacts that disconnect the iron from the power when it reaches temperature. 2. Magnetic release mechanically of the bit from the end of the heating element when it reaches temperature,the elemement staying at the same temperature. 3.Complete electronic control of the power(not Voltage) going into the iron element to control temperature. External controllers(Rheostats) can be used on the first two versions and on irons that do not have any temperature control whatsoever without any problems. With the third one there can be problems with the destruction of the electronic controller that controls the temperature not the iron element. If that happens then if the iron is plugged in directly to the mains power again then if the temperature controller is partly destroyed that could cause over heating of the element so destroying that.It could also do the opposite in that it could not turn the heating element on at all or on very low so giving the impression that there was a fault with the heating element. Complicated isn't it Brandon S. Jones (UK) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 05:03:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:42:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 06:26:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk So what are you all saying? Yes use a controller with the Weller 100 ? Or will it burn up the tip ? I have not had to do any decorative solder work yet, still a (newbe) so the one heat setting seems to work ok. I want to try to texture a tree trunk in my next project, will the controller help me using the weller 100 ??? Thanks Lee tollett Oklahoma City "Jones B.S." wrote: > Gregg Wood..... > >>I also have a great interest in this. > > >>I have _heard_ that using a rheostat on a tip controlled iron will > >>"cause it to burn up". I can see where this might be fact as using > > There isn't any easy answer to this as there are several ways of temperature > controlling an iron that are marketed world wide. > The main three are > 1.mechanical thermostat in the iron body near the tip with electrical > contacts that disconnect the iron from the power when it reaches > temperature. > 2. Magnetic release mechanically of the bit from the end of the heating > element when it reaches temperature,the elemement staying at the same > temperature. > 3.Complete electronic control of the power(not Voltage) going into the iron > element to control temperature. > > External controllers(Rheostats) can be used on the first two versions and on > irons that do not have any temperature control whatsoever without any > problems. > With the third one there can be problems with the destruction of the > electronic controller that controls the temperature not the iron element. > If that happens then if the iron is plugged in directly to the mains power > again then if the temperature controller is partly destroyed that could > cause over heating of the element so destroying that.It could also do the > opposite in that it could not turn the heating element on at all or on very > low so giving the impression that there was a fault with the heating > element. > > Complicated isn't it > > Brandon S. Jones > (UK) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 05:12:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:55:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: revised thinking on scrap Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 04:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Howard, If all else fails, try eBay. Regards .... Bob (in 95014) Howard wrote: > After carefully assessing (for about 10 seconds) my scrap boxes, please > disregard all of the prior information on sizes.....rest of it is still > valid! > > NEW (and may even stay accurate) INFORMATION ON SIZES!!!!! > > The usps boxes that seem a good balance for size of glass are 7"x7"x6". > > I have a lot of scrap that will fit nicely, and may be close to > 7"x7"......The real small stuff is not practical to use or try to sell. I > will try to send nothing SMALLER 3"x3". > > I am leaning toward $1.25 a pound, or about $12.50 for a 10# box. Will > gladly round down the costs and up on the weight. > > Most of the glass is handmade and most colors.... > > I will find out approximate cost per pound to about 10 pounds for USPS > Priority tomorrow. > > Larger amounts would probably be more cost effective going UPS......... > > I have glass that were ONE time only sheets, experimental colors and even a > few textures........well worth taking a shot at sight unseen! > > later, H > > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 06:29:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 05:27:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #57 built 2000-Jan-20) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: leetollett@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:26:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I say no. The temerature controller on a w100 is like putting an extra ON switch on a tv. It serves no purpose, and may ruin the switch already installed in the w100. you paid a bunch of money for that wonderful soldering iron. it will last for many years of faithful service if you don't mess it up. I vote no. do what you want. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 06:34:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 05:52:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: software Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:43:18 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/20/00 4:20:55 PM, alipearson@webtv.net writes: > Does anyone know of any software for stained glass designing >compatible with (mac) computers ? > >Ali So far there's no "dedicated" SG design software for Mac. For what little designing I do, I use Adobe Illustrator. I've seen Glass Eye in action and am *almost* impressed enough to go out and get "Virtual PC" so I can run it on my Far Superior Machine, but I *do* have my principles, my dear.... :-) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 07:23:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:09:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ng Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:34:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk I believe I've been with bungi for about a year and a half and because of a difference of opinion I have no intention of taking my toys and going elsewhere. There are always going to be disagreements among groups as diverse as this, but if we keep it to glass, these disagreements would at least be interesting. Religion is a personal thing, be it in a signature file or the body of a message, makes no difference. Let's keep it that way and stick to glass. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 07:34:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:11:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!SKDJ From: SKDJ@aol.com To: leetollett@worldnet.att.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hi Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:30:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Lee, I am on the Bungi list. I have a Weller 100 iron, I don't use a controller, have used it for 6 years now. I don't think you should use it with a controller, as it has one built in. There are several different tips that heat up to different temperatures. The package on the Weller 100 iron says, "Tip temperature of 600 to 800 degrees can be obtained by merely changing tip." They are stamped on the end of the tips with a 6, 7, or 8. They have 4 tip styles for 600 degrees, 4 tip styles for 700 degrees, and 4 tip styles for 800 degrees. I hope this helps. Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 07:42:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:19:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: scratches Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:34:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have some old glass that has small scratches. Is there any way to buff them out? Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 08:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:57:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "Jones B.S." To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: soldering iron & temp control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >> So what are you all saying? Yes use a controller with the Weller >>100 ? Or will it burn up the tip ? I have not had to do any decorative solder work yet, still a (newbe) so the one heat setting seems to work ok. I want to try to texture a tree trunk in my next project, will the controller help me using the weller 100 ??? Thanks Lee tollett Oklahoma City There is no easy answer that is applicable to all irons or only one iron. The owner of the iron has to first find out from the manufacturer its design specification ie Is it temperature controlled or not if so how.Is it just a simple iron with no temperature control and so on. Looking in typical catalogues there are several hunderd irons that could be used for SG work made by dozens of manufacturers. This is mainly a non electrically capable list so anybody attempting something like adding a separate rheostat needs to get advice about their iron from a technically competent person usually not the clerk in a shop. They then have to decide whether they understand it or not enough to attempt to risk the cost of an iron to find out whether they were correct or not and then try or as we say suck it and see. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 09:06:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:50:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New and Old Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:47:14 -0000 Message-ID: <200001211654.e0LGs6k04126@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, There have been an occasional influx of newbies these last 6 months or so. Some with an axe to grind Others, luckily, only grind glass.... The same questions get asked over and over again, that the "Oldies" amongst us get slightly jaded by repeating the same answers time after time, when the archives are there for all to dip into. These last 6 months I myself have been extraordinarily busy with a young puppy, redecorating my house, IGGA matters, new teaching situations, furbishing a new studio and last - but not least - my trip to USA to meet and be with many of you. I too have had to pass on replying a number of questions, deleting many e-mails I simply have not had an opportunity to ponder on. When 77+ e-mails end up on your screen and a good number of them are from someone who can't get off their high horse, I too find it irritating. It's sometimes a real toss-up whether to hang on in there waiting for the golden nugget (Like Brad Walkers wonderful fusing and slumping page!!!), or to unsubscribe also, as Dani Greer, Liz Arakalian and others have just done. Dani in particular is a great loss to Bungi with her knowledge, experience, common sense, pithy comments and great sense of fun. I also wonder how long it will take of this sort of nonsense until other great assets to Bungi will have had enough. I also feel that we should try and rejuvenate the Bungi-Bio feature so that we can better get to know new people who have joined us and they us (I have a virtual complete file of past bios submitted by past people.... something like 180 - 200). Then perhaps there may be a greater respect fostered of where people are coming from and we may suffer current BS somewhat less. Anyone who feels able to pick up Patrick's tu-tu (...where IS Patrick these days???) Just a thought.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK who was immensely irritated by below missile and this whole thread; > No, Shakeel, that's not a true blanket statement. Blanket statements > are never 100% accurate. Loose nut? Perfectly running machinery? > Details, please? > > Tom in NC ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 09:17:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:01:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: software Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:58:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000121085841.009c9640@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk >So far there's no "dedicated" SG design software for Mac. For what little >designing I do, I use Adobe Illustrator. I've seen Glass Eye in action and am >*almost* impressed enough to go out and get "Virtual PC" so I can run it on >my Far Superior Machine, but I *do* have my principles, my dear.... :-) > >Sparks lol...speaking of religion! Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 14:02:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:48:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Rita Tidwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: scratches Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:46:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Rita Tidwell wrote: > > I have some old glass that has small scratches. Is there any way to buff > them out? Rita > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if there not too deep use cerium oxide (instructions on my tips page). otherwise, cut around them. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 16:33:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:24:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: final answer (maybe) on scrap Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:20:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk This hopefully will be the last post to the group......after this we should be able to do it privately. 5# of scrap $7.50 incl packing and handling Up to 5* pounds will ship anywhere in the US for $6.50 USPS priority mail. Usually 3 or 4 days delivery time. 5# fits nicely in a 7x7 box! *will be a little less to be sure it does not go over weight. 5 pounds and over can be priced for shipping by zip code....for instance 10#s will be as low as$7.00 or as high as $15.25. I have 5 5# boxes packed and ready to go.......cost for each is:$14.00 e-mail me direct........ weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 16:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:13:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG:Re: New and Old Date: Fri, 21 Jan 00 16:42:23 Message-ID: <200001212342.QAA15397@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I, too, have gotten a puppy recently, Elizabeth!! I got a black Pomeranian boy, to go with my Wolf Sable colored female... 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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 17:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:43:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "KSee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: soldering iron & temp control Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 15:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: See Glass Precedence: bulk RE: soldering iron & temp controlHere is a response from Cooper Tools KSee http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html www.ncagg ----- Original Message ----- From: Al.Hollister@coopertools.com To: kseeglass@netzero.net Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 8:59 AM Subject: RE: soldering iron & temp control Good morning KSee, The reply that Mr. Jones gave is basically correct. I will amplify a bit. An external rheostat can be used on Weller 100 watt stick iron but since that iron uses a magnastat temperature control it wont have much influence on the tip temperature as you would see on a constant output iron that is not temperature controlled in any way. A brief description of the difference in each is: A constant output iron is always operating with the heater on, with whatever voltage is going to the iron from the wall/bench outlet. If you have an iron that is supposed to have a temperature of about 900° at 120-volts but the power in your area is only at 108 volts the temperature will be lower. If an iron is rated at 100 watts at 120 volts it will be only 84 watts at 110-volts and 81 watts at 108-volts. As you know in stained glass the artist may wish to reduce the tip temperature. For this type of iron a rheostat is no problem. Also, lowering the voltage while the iron is at idle will extend the tip and heater life, especially with the awful acid fluxes used in stained glass work. However, don't pay more for a soldering iron rheostat that has tip temperature settings. Since manufacturer of the rheostat doesn't know what iron you are using and its rated tip temperature, the input voltage at your work area, the size of the tip, etc. it cannot accurately say what setting gives what temperature. A magnastat or other mechanically temperature controlled iron controls the tip temperature by basically turning the heater on and off by some sort of electromechanical means. These irons are not affected much by voltage variations. An 800° iron with temperature control will try to stay at 800° no matter what the voltage. If you use a rheostat to lower the voltage far enough to lower the tip temperature you will end up working the heater hard as it will always be on trying to maintain the 800° fixed temperature. This is not necessarily bad as often soldering iron heater burnout occurs when a heater is turned on, just like a light bulb usually fails when turned on, due to the voltage surge. Electronically controlled irons/stations should not be used with rheostats. I have not seen any damaged as Mr. Jones has but electronic controls can be unpredictable at low voltages. Weller electronic stations will function properly and maintain temperature down 100 volts and lower. Some temperature controlled stations on the market start to lose temperature at any lower than specified input voltages. There are two real problems when lowering the input voltage. As Mr. Jones says some may be damaged. I have found that many makes lose control with low voltage and may in fact actually increase their tip temperature for a while, and decrease their temperature at other times, with no pattern. I hope this helps. As you can see I really recommend that you use a rheostat control only with constant output irons. Best regards, Al Hollister -----Original Message----- From: "KSee" Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 6:23 AM To: Al Hollister Subject: Fw: soldering iron & temp control Hello again would you let us know what is the correct answer. With the Weller 100 can you/should you use a temperature control. KSee http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html www.ncagg ----- Original Message ----- From: Jones B.S. To: 'Gregg Wood' ; Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 3:49 AM Subject: RE: soldering iron & temp control | | Gregg Wood..... | >>I also have a great interest in this. | | >>I have _heard_ that using a rheostat on a tip controlled iron will | >>"cause it to burn up". I can see where this might be fact as using | | There isn't any easy answer to this as there are several ways of temperature | controlling an iron that are marketed world wide. | The main three are | 1.mechanical thermostat in the iron body near the tip with electrical | contacts that disconnect the iron from the power when it reaches | temperature. | 2. Magnetic release mechanically of the bit from the end of the heating | element when it reaches temperature,the elemement staying at the same | temperature. | 3.Complete electronic control of the power(not Voltage) going into the iron | element to control temperature. | | External controllers(Rheostats) can be used on the first two versions and on | irons that do not have any temperature control whatsoever without any | problems. | With the third one there can be problems with the destruction of the | electronic controller that controls the temperature not the iron element. | If that happens then if the iron is plugged in directly to the mains power | again then if the temperature controller is partly destroyed that could | cause over heating of the element so destroying that.It could also do the | opposite in that it could not turn the heating element on at all or on very | low so giving the impression that there was a fault with the heating | element. | | Complicated isn't it | | | Brandon S. Jones | (UK) | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 21 20:02:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 19:58:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Faeries Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:58:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk ...Thanks to all that gave me input on locating & making stained glass faeries... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 01:31:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:22:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: postmanexpress.com!sundance From: "Sundance" To: glass@daver.bungi.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Subject: E-Commerce Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:37:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk

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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 04:23:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:01:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: software Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:35:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Is there a web site for Glass Eye? A friend is looking for SG Software for her Vastly Inferior Machine ;-} and I haven't been paying attention to software for such machines! Thanks a lot! Hilary > ...I've seen Glass Eye in action and am > *almost* impressed enough to go out and get "Virtual PC" so I can run it on > my Far Superior Machine, but I *do* have my principles, my dear.... :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 04:56:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 04:40:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: inter-prog.co.uk!support From: "Alan Faiers" To: "Bungi List" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: software Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:28:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Is there a web site for Glass Eye? A friend is looking for SG Software for her Vastly Inferior Machine ;-} and I haven't been paying attention to software for such machines! Yes, it's at www.dfly.com - you can download a demo version that is fully functional, except you can't save or print. Alan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 05:33:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: massed.net!wmagdycz From: "Elaine" To: "Hilary" , Subject: Re: software Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hilary, It's http://www.dfly.com/ I have it and really like it. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary" To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 4:35 AM Subject: Re: software > Is there a web site for Glass Eye? A friend is looking for SG Software > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 06:00:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:31:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Mar333Wood From: Mar333Wood@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Tiffany Cob Web Lamp Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:30:14 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I have had a request from my British friend and wanted to know if anyone at Bungi might have an answer. HI Marti Happy New Year! Here is a tough one for you. A friend in Germany wants to make a Cob Web (tiffany number 235). Please would you ask your friends at Bungi whether there is a pattern for this lamp and base available anywhere. Picture on the E-Zine, page one. Thanks for your help. Ed Ed potterton Editor, UK Stained Glass news www.stainedglassnews.co.uk TIA Marti http://members.aol.com/Mar333Wood/WOODMAR.html ICQ Number: 19326169 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 06:03:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 05:40:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: software Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:44:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<001901bf64d6$da4cabe0$5a2c96d1@wmagdycz>> Precedence: bulk Thanks everybody! Maybe she can get that Vastly Inferior Machine to do something!!! Hilary > Hilary, It's http://www.dfly.com/ > I have it and really like it. Elaine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 06:32:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 06:04:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: News Release:Brookfield Craft Center Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 09:02:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following news release if provide by IGGA. IGGA does not endorse this organization, nor do we have any affiliation with them. We are simp= ly providing a broadcast of their press release. For more information, contact John I. Russell, Executive Director, Brookfield Craft Center, P.O. Box 122, Brookfield, CT 06804 phone 203-775-4526 x 102 email: brkfldcrft@aol.com web site: http://www.brookfieldcraftceneter.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- Spring & Summer 2000 Professional Workshops Announced The new Spring 2000 Program Guide for Brookfield Craft Center is now available. It details more than 80 arts & crafts classes & workshops for all interest levels. The Spring session begins in April and runs through the end of June. Summer session extends through the end of August. For a free copy call 203-775-4526 or email the center at "brkfldcrft@aol.com". The Center is offering students a 15% early registration discount. The non-profit Center was founded in 1954 and is one of America's foremost schools for fine craftsmanship. The website contains program information as well as news about the Center's other activities. Most workshops are 1, 2 or 3 day formats. The average enrollement is 6-12 participants allowing students to work at their own pace in a relaxed atmosphere with personalized instruction. The workshops are led by America's foremost master craftsmen/instructors who = travel to the Center as visiting artists. Out-of-town students enjoy overnights in local B&Bs or in nearby country inns. Spring & Summer 2000 Programs: (note: edited to only list glass related programs) Glass: Stephen Fellerman, Intermediate & Advanced Glassblowing, May 6-7 Chris DeMott, Glassblowing I, May 13-14 and June 24-25 Chris DeMott, Glassblowing II, April 15-16 Cynthia Saari, Behold the Bead, May 13-14 Connie Pollard, Caning, June 24-25 Design & Decorative Arts: Charlotte Hedlund, Color, June 17 Jeff Havill, Perspective Drawing, May 5 Virginia Teichner, House Portrait, April 15-16 Victor DeMasi, Decorative Borders, may 14 Seija Floderus, Icon Painting, June 16-18 Special Interest: Sandra Yahner, Stepping Stones, April 15-16 Jeff Havill, Cement Casting, May 20-21 Jeff Havill, Mosaics, June 24-25 Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 08:03:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:47:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: metal faerie bodies Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:45:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk ..(stuff deleted) > > A nice look for the metal bodies is to smear on some gold Rub 'n Buff, > then > > rub and buff it. > > > > Dorothy--I'd love to know more about this Rub 'n Buff stuff. Like what is > it, and where do you find it... > > Thanks, > Shari > The best selection of Rub n Buff around here is at the local Dick Blick Art Store, so you might try local art stores. Also have seen some in hobby shops. It comes in lots of colors as a colored cream. Rub it on, buff it off. It will kind of highlight what you're doing. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 09:02:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:53:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Mar333Wood@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tiffany Cob Web Lamp Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:53:04 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/22/00 9:01:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Mar333Wood@aol.com writes: > HI Marti > > Happy New Year! > > Here is a tough one for you. A friend in Germany wants to make a Cob Web > (tiffany number 235). Please would you ask your friends at Bungi whether > there is a pattern for this lamp and base available anywhere. Picture on > the > E-Zine, page one. > > Thanks for your help. > > Ed > Ed potterton > Editor, UK Stained Glass news > www.stainedglassnews.co.uk You'll receive a dozen comments to this. there is an Oddessy form for this, but I'm not so certain of the base. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 11:35:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:13:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: spamming? 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---- For subscription changes, please = mail to:=20 glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: = glass@bungi.com=20 Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------=_NextPart_000_0362_01BF64E3.C7F15920-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 22 11:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:17:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Books Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:24:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone out there in Bungi Land! I'm in Springfield Illinois and its snowing to beat the band!...one quick question...does anyone have any back dated "Glass Patterns" books they want to part with at a reasonable price? Please let me know. If you want to e-mail me...jazz-sni@springnet1.com....Thanks a bunch! Linda Udey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 02:32:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 02:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: Mar333Wood@aol.com,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tiffany Cob Web Lamp Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 08:30 22/01/00 EST, Ed Potterton wrote - and I have copied my response to bungi in case anyone on the list would find the info useful: > A friend in Germany wants to make a Cob Web >(tiffany number 235). Please would you ask your friends at Bungi whether >there is a pattern for this lamp and base available anywhere. Ed - tell him to contact Tiffany GlasKunst AG - http://www.tgk.de - I am sure they will be able to get it if it exists, and have lots in stock so may even have the one he wants available of the shelf. No I have no shares in TGK but we know Wilhelm, Friedrich and the gang will try their best to help ;-) Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 12:54:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:31:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: email.msn.com!brown_gregory From: "brown_gregory" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: NG Anybody Home? Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF65B5.D3FCA8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or is everyone busy cutting glass? Been quite lately is anyone still here? Greg Get paid for submitting and reviewing sites for HotRate http://www.hotrate.com/index.asp?ref=3Dmoonshiner =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF65B5.D3FCA8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BF65B5.D3FCA8A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 13:02:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:45:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Warm Glass site Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:45:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF65B8.EB125BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a brief note for those of you who are interested: =20 I've added a number of new features to the Warm Glass site, including -- updated gallery of artist works, now numbering 16 works from 10 = artists. -- improved beginner project -- new section on Kiln Casting techniques and processes. 5 pages of = info. -- new logo (thanks to Bud Britt) Next up will be a section on glass painting. I'm still looking for more = works for the gallery, for any photos that anyone might have of them at = work or of shop equipment (to use in tutorials), suggestions on further = improvement, and any comments anyone may have. As always, thanks to everyone who's helped so far. Please send comments = to me at mbwalker@warmglass.com Brad -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------- For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF65B8.EB125BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a brief note for those of you who = are=20 interested: 
 
I've added a number of new features to = the Warm Glass site, including
 
-- updated gallery of artist works, now = numbering=20 16 works from 10 artists.
-- improved beginner = project
-- new section on Kiln Casting = techniques and=20 processes. 5 pages of info.
-- new logo (thanks to Bud = Britt)
 
Next up will be a section on glass = painting. =20 I'm still looking for more works for the gallery, for any photos that = anyone=20 might have of them at work or of shop equipment (to use in tutorials),=20 suggestions on further improvement, and any comments anyone may=20 have.
 
As always, thanks to everyone who's = helped so=20 far.  Please send comments to me at mbwalker@warmglass.com<= /DIV>
 
Brad
 
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For=20 information about warm glass techniques and processes
such as fusing, = slumping, and kiln forming, please visit
the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF65B8.EB125BE0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 13:25:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:15:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Air temperature question Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:10:32 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does the air temperature in your workshop affect the temperature of your iron and the temp that solder will melt? Also will glass cutting be affected. Now that upstate NY is in a deep freeze my work area (which is in the basement) is averaging between 35-40 degrees. I use a space heater ( yes I am careful) but it's mighty cold down there. It seems like when I solder the solder stiffens up so quick that my iron sticks to my work. Does anyone else have this problem? Thanks for any advice, Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 14:25:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:04:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Air temperature question Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:02:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk I used to work in un-heated garage. Temps here are much higher 40-50 in winter. I never noticed any problems soldering..........BUT BUT BUT BUT, I use a hot iron............ungar 1,100 degree heater in it. also the 1,000 degree heater works as well. If this temperature/soldering iron is a varying problem, ask the power company if they are supplying full voltage during peak electrical need. Seems some of the irons maybe voltage sensitive. stay warm and careful, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 15:02:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:56:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: mschatee@juno.com Subject: Re: Air temperature question Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:54:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, mschatee@juno.com writes >Does the air temperature in your workshop affect the temperature of your >iron and the temp that solder will melt? The melting temp of solder remains the same regardless of the ambient temperature. Of course it will take slightly longer for an iron to warm from 0F than from 80F, but not so you would notice. >Also will glass cutting be >affected. A lot of people will tell you temperature does make a difference. Being in a temperate climate, the west coast of Scotland does not have a great temperature variation, although it is far north of upstate New York. I would speculate that cold glass near a warm body attracts condensation. Therefore the sheet is moist, rather than dry. That may have some effect on the way the cutter runs across the glass. In any case, my glass is so dusty that I have to wipe it with a cloth before cutting to remove dust and grit, that I get rid of the condensation too. I have had glass stored tightly against other pieces (usually float glass), which becomes "greasy" I find it best to clean this off with window cleaner (or soap and water) before cutting. The surface is less slippery and all the dust attracted by the greasy surface is cleaned off. The "greasy" surface is in fact glass corrosion. If you want me to talk about that sometime, I will. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 16:32:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:29:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Steve Richard , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Air temperature question Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:27:52 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I'd like to hear what you have to say about it. Suzanne > The "greasy" surface is in fact glass corrosion. > If you want me to talk about that sometime, I will. > > Steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 17:28:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:19:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cutting Youghiogheny glass Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Howard" >Yock stipple is a wonderful glass for lamps.......shading, open areas a= nd swirls. Any trouble cutting the stipples? If so LIGHT pressure ONLY!< Amen to that. Cutting a batch of Youghiogheny right now. Seven full sheets worth of RG, SP and some HS. Light pressure is best. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 17:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:19:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Update:News Release:Brookfield Craft Center Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:18:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to Tim Byrnes who caught a mistake in my typing..... ...Christie Wood ------------------------------------------------------ Message text written by Tim Byrnes >Hi Christie, The web address for "Brookfield Craft Ceneter has too many "E" in it. This is Craft Center is about 50 miles from me, so I guess I will have to= make a trip up there on some Saturday. I hope to get back to the Philadelphia area sometime next summer, so I'll have to stop and see your new studio. Peace, Tim Byrnes "Christie A. Wood" wrote: > The following news release if provide by IGGA. IGGA does not endorse > this organization, nor do we have any affiliation with them. We are simply > providing a broadcast of their press release. > > For more information, contact John I. Russell, Executive Director, > Brookfield Craft Center, P.O. Box 122, Brookfield, CT 06804 > phone 203-775-4526 x 102 email: brkfldcrft@aol.com > web site: http://www.brookfieldcraftcenter.org< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 23 18:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:07:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Air temperature question Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:56:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:mschatee@juno.com >Does the air temperature in your workshop affect the temperature of your= iron and the temp that solder will melt? Also will glass cutting be affected. Now that upstate NY is in a deep freeze my work area (which is= in the basement) is averaging between 35-40 degrees. I use a space heater ( yes I am careful) but it's mighty cold down there. It seems like when I solder the solder stiffens up so quick that my iron sticks to= my work. Does anyone else have this problem?< Yes, we also experience this problem here in chilly Philadelphia. With the recent cold snap, I can relate first-hand that a project we were soldering (same irons, same 60/40 solder, same Flux-o-Matic II gel flux) had considerable problems with the flux. Instead of it behavin= g like a liquid when the iron hit it, it behaved more like rubber cement! It was sticky and yucky and very ?dry? to the touch after soldering instead of its usual gel/liquid state. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 05:33:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 05:06:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: massed.net!wmagdycz From: "Elaine" To: Subject: Re: Air temperature question Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:03:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk We were having the same problem with this cold snap/cold basement. I find that shining 2 clip on shop lights directly over where I'm working on my soldering table or work table keeps the glass warm enough to aleviate the "cold" problem. My feet freeze though. Elaine > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:mschatee@juno.com > > Does anyone else have this problem?< > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 08:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:24:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: voyager.net!camden From: "Camden Concrete Products" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: subscription Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:58:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF6651.8A1E7820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please send information re stained glass ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF6651.8A1E7820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF6651.8A1E7820-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 08:37:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:26:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: voyager.net!camden From: "Camden Concrete Products" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: subscription Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF6651.56DA6280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF6651.56DA6280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF6651.56DA6280-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 11:03:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:39:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: re tempreture Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:35:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have found when working in extremely cold workshops, certain glass develops a mind of its own(more than normal). I have then placed the glass some where warm for a few minutes till warm then cut it. near the heater was good just till its warm to the touch. Happier now the workshops warmer and people are talking about glass again. still here Charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 13:35:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:08:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: thezone.net!robertcrane From: Robert Crane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Wanted Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:30:23 -0330 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I need tips for my sp175 weller soldering iron, anyone have an idea where I might get them? Thanks in anticipation! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 13:44:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:27:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Suzanne Gunn Subject: Glass corrosion Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:24:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<388B9C88.43A924B9@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk In response to a huge response (one actually! - Thank you Suzanne Gunn) I will give my view on glass corrosion. Glass corrosion occurs at the surface of all glass. It has a rate of about 1mm per century, explaining why not much early glass in good condition is known. The glass has an alkaline structure which is eroded by very mild organic and mineral acids naturally present in the environment. Oddly, glass corrosion occurs most rapidly in conditions where the water is trapped against the glass and is not allowed to drain away or dry up. The action of rain on windows does not greatly affect the glass, as the water flows off, and dries up, quickly. Glass standing in large volumes of water is less affected than glass with only a little standing water. So, glass stored tightly sheet to sheet is more likely to corrode than sheets with air spaces. Have you ever noticed that glass manufacturers ship their glass with paper or other separators between the glass? This isn't so much for cushioning (although it does a bit of that) it is to prevent water being trapped between the sheets. Sheets which have been stored tightly together in damp conditions will have a slippery, greasy feel to the surface. This also attracts a lot of dust, which stores more moisture and accelerates the whole process. Now, don't get too worried, as the rate is very slow. Roman glass buried in earth still erodes at only 1 millimetre a century, so you don't have to worry about loosing your glass during your lifetime. The erosion does not have any effect on the clarity of the glass for quite a while, but does make handling more difficult. Treating glass which has begun to erode is easy. Clean the surfaces with glass cleaner, polish with newspaper, and store so there is air space between the sheets. It doesn't have to be much, just a mm or so at the bottom and touching at the top is fine. There is a lot more information about glass corrosion in: Conservation of Glass, by Roy Newton, and Sandra Davison, published by Butterworth Heineman, 1989, repr. 1997. ISBN 0 7506 2448 5 especially pp. 135 - 164 Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 14:51:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , "Robert Crane" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wanted Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:14:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >>I need tips for my sp175 weller soldering iron, anyone have an idea where I might get them? Thanks in anticipation!<< The standard tip is 5/8" in diameter and is an iron clad chisel tip. Any stained glass store selling Weller irons should have/be able to get them. I get mine wholesale from Mad Dog Stained Glass in Van Nuys, CA. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 15:55:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:31:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Don Udey Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Books Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:24:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda: You ask about back issue of SG Patterns. If you look at your latest copy it will give you available back issues. I believe they sell them for about $3 each. Is there one in particular you want? Also, it occurred to me if you are looking for a particular pattern, Glass Patterns Quarterly publishes most of the patterns...they also have a list of the available patterns in leaflet form. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 17:26:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:09:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Vaguely on the subject of glass Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:17:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk HI group, I am still grazing through ebay. Have moved onto the garden section and I ran across a solar powered pole lantern. Now I know I prove my stupidity here quite often. But doesn't solar power only work during the day? OK you can all laugh now. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 18:29:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass corrosion Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:16:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Very interesting. Thanks for posting this information. I was going to request that you post it, but you posted it before I got the chance to request it. ;-) -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 18:59:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Vaguely on the subject of glass Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:39:55 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/24/00 8:28:05 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: >Now I know I prove my stupidity here quite often. But doesn't solar >power only work during the day? Nope - these days, such devices include a battery that's recharged by the sun during the day, then the light comes on at dusk (usually via a light sensor) and stays on all night. They use special low-voltage, low-wattage bulbs. If you have several dark gloomy days in a row, these devices can get a little weak (especially if a major storm comes through and not only are they unable to get charged up, but they come on during the day because "it's so dark they think it's night"), but from what I've seen, for the most part they work pretty well. (My former father-in-law - a worse gadget freak than I am - installed a system like that for his driveway, and loves it.) >OK you can all laugh now. I for one am not laughing. As a professor of mine used to say: "The only dumb question is the one you didn't ask." Sparks (no relation............ although I too have an awful tendency to glow a bit more feebly during the dark days of winter) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 24 20:02:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:50:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: The Chihooligan strikes again... Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:48:32 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk ...this time in Philadelphia, at the new National Liberty Museum. There was a short report on the museum on the 6:00 news yesterday, and of course my first thought when the camera panned around the place was: "That's a Chihuly piece!" (which of course I blurted out, which in turn caused my Resident Significant Other to laugh hysterically.....) >From an article in the archives of the local paper: ------------------------------------------------------- New museum in Philadelphia puts focus on human harmony By Marc Schogol INQUIRER STAFF WRITER New York has the Lady with the Torch, but Philadelphia now is the keeper of liberty's flame. It is kept at the new National Liberty Museum at Third and Chestnut Streets, whose anti-hate, anti-violence, pro-harmony and pro-togetherness displays include the 20-foot-tall Flame of Liberty. This brilliant crimson pillar of glass tendrils, created by noted glass artist Dale Chihuly, and all the other artistic and historic homages to diversity and harmony will be on display starting next Wednesday, when the museum opens to the public. [...] Many of the intricate and stunning works of glass that accent and set the museum's theme come from Borowsky's extensive collection. "The glass art is a metaphor for our freedom," said Sherry Hawk, the museum's director of marketing. "Glass looks very solid, but if you shatter it, it breaks into a million pieces. We have to protect it." Hawk said a number of schools already have made arrangements for class trips to the new museum. ------------------------------------------------------- The entire article is at http://ww w.phillynews.com/inquirer/2000/Jan/05/sj/PMUSE05.htm There's a picture of the "Flame of Liberty" at http://www.libertymuseum.org/ For those of us within screaming distance of Philly (or planning to visit), the National Liberty Museum is at 321 Chestnut Street, Philadelphia (a few blocks from Independence Hall et al). Admission is $5; $4 seniors, $3 students. Hours are 10 a.m.-5 p.m. Tues-Sun. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 00:42:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:32:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "Jones B.S." To: "'Glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Vaguely on the subject of glass Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:25:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk >Shirley B said.. >HI group, >I am still grazing through ebay. Have moved onto the garden section and >I ran across a solar powered pole lantern. The solar panel charges a nickle cadmium battery during the day the battery runs the lamp at night. Brandon S. Jones Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 04:18:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:02:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lead lines ending in space Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:53:30 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. In my earlier message for help with bevel and fused glass panels sites, I got so many sites addresses sent to me. Thank you everyone. On one of the sites sent by Brad there was a some works that I found interesting and hard to understand how they were made. An example is at: http://www.waynecain.com/contemporary.html the lead lines seem to start and end in space. And I wondered how that was done. And as told me, perhaps some of the masters in lead work we have like Elisabeth, pj and Dani could shed some light on this. And does anyone have Lutz Haufschild's email address? Thanks in advance. Shakeel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 05:02:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:57:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Open sesame--tight lead came! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:51:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk How do I get the grout into the came when the fit is so tight a hair couldn't squeeze inside there? Grout the came first? No, that makes a mess! Open up the came, grout, then seal it again? I hope not! That's extra work that may possibly delay my lunch! :-( Or just go around the edge of the came with the grout--but that doesn't seem right either. Anyone? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 08:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:14:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!NEICYDENN From: NEICYDENN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: soldering iron & temp control Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:58 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you for the responses given on my question! The verdict is in, I will not be using the rheostat with my new Weller. You are all so helpful on this board! Denise ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 10:22:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:05:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: juno.com!suzan.e.b1 From: suzan e becker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: glass erosion Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:46:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have heard that acid rain has had a disastrous effect on old class - I think they mentioned the York cathedral. Any comment? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 11:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:51:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lead lines ending in space Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:22:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shakeel Abedi" >And does anyone have Lutz Haufschild's email address?< The last addy I have for him is: lutz@glassfocus.com Cheers, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 11:34:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:28:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: esatclear.ie!glassman From: Tony Dutcher To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Open sesame--tight lead came! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:26:50 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk When I came to Ireland to work across the pond, I discovered a different way of leading a window. The first step involves stretching the lead of course and then running a fid down the channel of the lead to widen it...I have attempted to illustrate it below: Normal H lead: Widened Lead with Fid: | | \ / |----| |----| | | / \ This should allow you to use thicker glass. When you are cementing the panel you could also try "thinning" your cement a little, depending on what type your using will determine what type of solvent to use. I have found that if the cement is the viscosity of maple syrup it does a great job. after you finish cementing your window, but before you clean off the excess, push the lead came flush with the glass with a piece of wood. Hope this helps.... Thanks to all who responded to my question earlier this month. Tony Dutcher ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 11:52:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: MAIL.AOC.STATE.KY.US!KitW From: "Walden, Kit" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:34:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I feel like I'm opening a can of worms with this question, but I'll throw it out anyway. I learned foil but have taught myself lead and much prefer it. I actually HATE foiling. My question is, which one is stronger? Intuitively, I think that lead is stronger, but the owner of the glass store says foil is. Maybe I don't want foil to be stronger because I hate doing it, but the adhesive backing just doesn't seem as if it would form that permanent a bond. She has to solder wire into her joints and then wraps the whole piece in that woven wire and solders that around the whole edge. It just seems like a whole lot more work than the one lead job I do. She thinks I might be overworking the foil and melting the adhesive on the back. I haven't had any pieces come apart, (although I have had the foil lift off the glass no matter how tight a seal I get when I burnish) but I just can't wrap my mind around foil making a stronger piece than lead over time. What do you all think, and why? Kit Walden Tuilelaith's Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 11:58:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:19:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone , Christie Wood Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need your help Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:18:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Recenly, I mailed out GlassPlanners to all the IGGA members and two have been returned. Does anyone have current address or other contact information for: Diane Baker Sue Vogel If so, please contact me off-group with the information. Thank you all! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 12:24:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: suzan e becker Subject: Re: glass erosion Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:21:05 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk According to my information, acid rain has no significantly greater effect than ordinary (if there is any more) rain. As long as the rain runs off and dries between showers, there is no great damage. In the UK there is arguably less sulphuric acid in the rain now than in the 19th Century when everybody was using coal for heat and power. There was a huge amount of sulphur dioxide coming out of domestic and factory chimneys. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, suzan e becker writes >I have heard that acid rain has had a disastrous effect on old class - I >think they mentioned >the York cathedral. Any comment? >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 12:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shakeel Abedi Subject: Re: Lead lines ending in space Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:01:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi writes >Hi everyone. ...... > On one of the >sites sent by Brad there was a some works that I found interesting and hard >to understand how they were made. An example is at: > >http://www.waynecain.com/contemporary.html > >the lead lines seem to start and end in space. And I wondered how that was >done. Shakeel, German artists like Schiffrath after WW2 did a lot of hanging lead lines. This has spread widely since then. Most often they are the upper and lower leaves of the lead fixed to each side of the glass with epoxy resin. The glass under is not actually cut at all. There is still a lot of very clever cutting of glass in these panels, even if you discount the hanging lead lines. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 12:59:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:09:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Joseph Augusta Subject: Re: Open sesame--tight lead came! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:06:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Well, Joseph, my reply to this question wont be very welcome just now. If the glass is 4-5mm thick, I open the came before inserting the glass. It makes the glass easier to insert, and leaves space for the cementing. The cement as usual. Alternatively, you can use high heart lead to accommodate thicker glass. High heart lead does present one problem if it is used in only one area. It is "taller" than all the surrounding came, so it sticks up. Therefore you have to be sure that you build the panel so the flat side is facing to the weather. I.e. all the glass should be down, and the rough side up together with the protruding high heart lead. Be careful when fininshing the uneven side of the panel - a foam sheet under the panel will help avoid breakages due to the uneven levels. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Joseph Augusta writes >How do I get the grout into the came when the fit is so tight a hair >couldn't squeeze inside there? Grout the came first? No, that makes a >mess! Open up the came, grout, then seal it again? I hope not! That's >extra work that may possibly delay my lunch! :-( Or just go around the >edge of the came with the grout--but that doesn't seem right either. > >Anyone? > >Best wishes, >Joseph >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 13:10:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:19:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000125151257.00693cbc@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk At 02:34 PM 01/25/2000 -0500, Walden, Kit wrote: >Hi everyone. I feel like I'm opening a can of worms with this question, but >I'll throw it out anyway. I learned foil but have taught myself lead and >much prefer it. I actually HATE foiling. > >My question is, which one is stronger? Intuitively, I think that lead is >stronger, but the owner of the glass store says foil is. I think it more depends on the design and installation techniques than foil or lead. We have proof over the years that lead holds up, but foil has only been around since the early 1900's. In the end though, I think it depends on which method you prefer, or were taught first, and are the most comfortable with. Personally I vote for foil! Joyce Garden of Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 13:29:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:58:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Walden, Kit" Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:54:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk You are right Kit. There will be a variety of responses stating firmly that one is better than the other. My answer is that they are different. I don't much like windows done completely in foil, but I do use it where detail is required without painting. So to your question: which form is stronger. I don't actually think anyone knows which is stronger (has anyone done destruction tests?). Tests to find this out would have to be done on the basis of what kind of strength is required. That would be an interesting debate. Those who argue that the adhesive is important in the strength of the foiled panel are not thinking very straight. The adhesive is actually the weakest part of a foiled window. The foil acts as a surface for the solder to flow around the glass on. The solder forms an H came just as the lead one. The solder is harder than the lead, therefore (so the argument goes) the whole panel is stronger. There is an undistributed middle here as harder and stronger are not equivalent in the argument. In fact, harder and less flexible may mean more brittle. The degree of weather and range of temperature may be important in the longevity of a foiled window. If a hard window is subjected to high wind loadings or vibration or impact (door panel for example), it may fail more quickly than one which has more flexibility. The question I would like to answer is which is more weather tight? and likely to remain so? The adhesive on foil fails under (excessive) heat and so will fail over time even without excessive heat. Now this is not a problem with strength, as the solder holds the glass in its "H" grasp. What is a problem is that the panel is no longer water tight. When the adhesive fails, moisture is allowed through the window. The cement on leaded windows, if done properly, will last for many years. (I have just taken an 1870 panel out of its housing, prior to moving to another site, which is still almost completely water tight). Linseed oil cement is great stuff! I don't think there is a strength reason to prefer one form over the other. They both have their places. Just go with what you like best. I happen to like leading best, as I can get a variety of line widths, emphasising various elements, and even tapered lines, and hanging lines (you can do hanging lines in foil too, of course). I just find the lead came much more flexible. But I would never try to make a box, vase, lamp or other 3D object in lead came. At least not since the first (and only) one I tried. Foil is best for 3D work, I also use it occasionally for detailed areas of a panel where the effort and expense of painting is not worth while. (I also find that increasingly I use fused elements where previously I might have used foil. It is quicker, presents a more painterly result and avoids the solder lines) Those are my opinions. Enjoy the variety of other opinions. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Walden, Kit writes ............ >What do you all think, and why? > >Kit Walden >Tuilelaith's Stained Glass >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 13:35:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: check out this site!!!! Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:13:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I just stopped on the first page and wanted to share this site. There is a beautiful glass flower bouquet the size of a brooch(I think). My first thought was to glued it to a SG heart or candle shelter. Enjoy. http://www.splendorintheglass.bigstep.com/category.html;$sessionid$3MWQ11YAAAGAZWGIHUVXBMWYZA4S1PX0?CCIDs=651377 Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 13:47:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:23:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:19:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk From: Walden, Kit > Hi everyone. I feel like I'm opening a can of worms with this question, but > I'll throw it out anyway. I learned foil but have taught myself lead and > much prefer it. I actually HATE foiling. > > My question is, which one is stronger? [snip] I'll bite, what the heck, I haven't been involved in flame war yet. (which probably just means no one cares...) Here's my take on it. Well OK, first I've heard this question before & I have to ask, can anyone agree on what "strength" means. It would be nice to have a common target we can agree on. Are we talking horizontal, coffee table style, put a phone book on it (localized force) and have no glass break but it sags & all the pieces drop out on the floor? Pieces crack but it holds together? Nothing cracks OR comes apart? Can it just sag a little bit? How about vertical. Are we talking wind resistance (even force all over)? Or just the ability not to buckle under its own weight? Or if its hanging from the top, not to pull apart? Which, unfortunately, leads to other questions like are we talking little lamp-shade-shaped (say that 5 times fast) pieces, large square pieces with mostly straight runs, long sweeping curves that come to sharp points at one end? Are those sharp pointy ends cohabiting with other sharp point ends or do they get moral support by large strong square or round pieces in the neighborhood? I guess my answer is "It depends." How's that for taking a side & sticking to it? -G I wish I had a witty, incensing signature. But I'm just not that bright... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 14:05:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.32.20000125151257.00693cbc@mail.bright.net>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk I agree with you Joyce and I too prefer foil. My husband on the other hand prefers lead. To each his own, I'll stick to foiling. Sherrie > I think it more depends on the design and installation techniques than foil > or lead. We have proof over the years that lead holds up, but foil has > only been around since the early 1900's. In the end though, I think it > depends on which method you prefer, or were taught first, and are the most > comfortable with. > > Personally I vote for foil! > > Joyce > Garden of Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 14:13:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:56:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: swcp.com!lgoga From: Larry Goga To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:56:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Kit, When I first took lessons on how to work in stained glass my instructor made the following point, and I have never forgotten it: "When it comes to working in foil, once your project is done, if you could wave a magic wand over the piece and have all the foil disappear, leaving only the solder, your piece would still be intact and just as strong. The foil serves only as a form upon which to build a bead of solder." If your pieces of glass are not jammed one against the other, there will be enough space for solder to flow between the glass pieces and create what would be the 'heart' in a piece of lead came. Depending upon the width of tape used and the thickness of the glass, the solder lines you make could have a thickness and width greater than that obtainable when using lead came. Also, any location where lines intersect should be inherently stronger because the solder connection is made completely through the glass, not just on the top and bottom sides. Having said all that, the question of which type of panel is stronger cannot really be answered without knowing a lot more. It depends upon the alloy of lead used in the came versus the alloy used in the solder. It depends upon line width and heart thickness. It depends upon the skill used in cutting the glass and assembling the panel. It depends upon the quality of soldering on the foil versus at a came joint. It depends upon the quality of cement and how it was installed. And probably some other things I haven't thought about. Just remember that the glue on the foil doesn't count for anything except holding the foil to the glass long enough for you to solder the pieces together properly. I hope that helps. Larry >Hi everyone. I feel like I'm opening a can of worms with this question, but >I'll throw it out anyway. I learned foil but have taught myself lead and >much prefer it. I actually HATE foiling. > >My question is, which one is stronger? Intuitively, I think that lead is >stronger, but the owner of the glass store says foil is. Maybe I don't want >foil to be stronger because I hate doing it, but the adhesive backing just >doesn't seem as if it would form that permanent a bond. She has to solder >wire into her joints and then wraps the whole piece in that woven wire and >solders that around the whole edge. It just seems like a whole lot more >work than the one lead job I do. She thinks I might be overworking the foil >and melting the adhesive on the back. I haven't had any pieces come apart, >(although I have had the foil lift off the glass no matter how tight a seal >I get when I burnish) but I just can't wrap my mind around foil making a >stronger piece than lead over time. > >What do you all think, and why? > >Kit Walden >Tuilelaith's Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 15:39:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:07:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: help with a glass Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:09:59 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF675F.647C8760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi to all! 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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 15:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:06:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass Eye Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:30:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk I'm a newbie to glass so I wanted to get all your expert opinions. I downloaded the demo version and like it so far. Question to those of you who have the full version ~ Is the full version worth the money? I'm thinking of purchasing it but I want to be sure before I spend the money. What do you like about it and what do you dislike about it? Thanks in advance for your opinions. Sherrie Elaine wrote: > Hilary, It's http://www.dfly.com/ > I have it and really like it. Elaine > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 16:04:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:16:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: reinforcing strips when foiling Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I've finally taken as much of a large foiled panel (3' x 6') apart as is necessary to fix the broken pieces. (The Army Housemoving and Demolition Service managed to damage it, even tho it was in a wooden, foam-padded case.) The gal that made it had reinforced it six ways from Sunday, using metal narrow tape (probably steel). Since it didn't prevent the damage (a twisting force somehow), does all that reinforcing actually have any purpose other than make it **%^%+ hard to take the dagnabbed thing apart - and add weight? My inclination is to put some back in, especially running from side to side, but not as much as was there. (Please don't tell me I need it top to bottom since that would involve a huge amount of work - and there is still a lot of area with the tape still in it.) Structurally it was really well designed with almost no seam ending at a 4 (or more) way corner. I'll be framing it with half-inch brass came. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 16:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:18:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Walden, Kit" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:29:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Easy answer.the foil for some projects, came for others..... ever see a small pieced lamp in came? most of the came panel lamps over years tend to come apart unless re-inforced CORRECTLY! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 17:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:20:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: suzan.e.b1@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: glass erosion Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:19:12 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/25/00 1:23:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzan.e.b1@juno.com writes: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Wow I'm on aol... It won't let me access that page. How's that for free enterprise. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 18:19:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:55:48 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/25/00 7:48:20 PM, weaver51@teleport.com writes: >ever see a small pieced lamp in came? Been there, repaired that............ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 18:40:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:01:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Mostly cloudy....... :-\ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:59:18 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hey all you right-coasters, nice weather we're having, huh? I spent 2 hours midday shoveling 8-9" of "mostly cloudy" off the driveway, and we've had another 3" or so since then. It's been a great day to stay inside and have a nice big bowl of homemade beef stew........... Snowplow Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 18:56:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:04:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Walden, Kit" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:42:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk My opinion, and I dont claim any thing but my opinion. I like foil and lead, and dont prefer one over the other. I think each has it's place. Not so much for the strength, but to suit the design. I believe you get your strength in foil from you solder, not your adhesive. The adhesive with lose a tremendous amount of it's strength as soon as you solder on it. No panel is all that strong without reinforcement, unless it is very small. So...I think the question would be best asked what methods of reinforcement are best, and how do you incorporate it into your design without ruining it, yet getting the maximum strength? I just built some doors at work. I reinforced it as directed by the studio owner. We reinforced it horizontally. They are tall narrow panels. Seems to me it will sag by bending over. Why didnt we reinforce in both directions? As far as foil and lead, I see a lot of panels in either foil or lead, that I think would have been better done in both. Like I said, just my opinion. How much reinforcement is enough. Tulsa Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 18:56:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:05:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG net constipation, was Re: glass erosion Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:04:32 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/25/00 8:52:51 PM, MATRONA@aol.com writes: >Wow I'm on aol... It won't let me access that page. How's that for free >enterprise. I think the entire Net is slow today. I've been having trouble getting on line in the first place - must be that so many people are snowbound they have nothing better to do to ease their boredom than go web-slinging...........? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 19:58:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:27:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: NG Mostly cloudy....... :-\ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks, It is even cold down here in Florida, but we don't have anything on the ground to shovel YET!! Supposed to get down to 9degrees with wind chill in the morning. Burr... Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients:; Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 9:50 PM Subject: NG Mostly cloudy....... :-\ >Hey all you right-coasters, nice weather we're having, huh? I spent 2 hours >midday shoveling 8-9" of "mostly cloudy" off the driveway, and we've had >another 3" or so since then. It's been a great day to stay inside and have a >nice big bowl of homemade beef stew........... > > >Snowplow Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 20:31:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:38:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Eye Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Here's one reason we like Glass Eye. A couple of years ago, I made a mirror for my bathroom, using the roses in the wall paper as the basis for the design. Last week, I pulled one of the roses out of that design and popped it into a lamp design. Then, to go along with it, I pulled that same rose and another one, pushed and pulled them around, resized them, and so on, until I had a panel design. We also use another of those roses in a nightlight. We also make printouts of the patterns and carry them to craft fairs with us. Helps alot in getting special orders. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 20:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:47:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lead lines ending in space Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have seen such pieces. It looked like the heart was cut out of the lead came and the lines continued onto the glass. It was, however, an exhibit, and I couldn't handle it and see how well the lead was glued down! Dorothy, in snowy, icy, slippery Connecticut ----- Original Message ----- From: Shakeel Abedi ......> > the lead lines seem to start and end in space. And I wondered how that was > done. ........ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jan 25 21:36:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:59:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: beer.com!marketingtips From: marketingtips@beer.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: FREE! Amazing 32 Page Web Marketing Booklet Available NOW ! 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Send an email to ddn22@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------- 69048882230 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 05:48:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:00:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: rea-alp.com!cricket From: "Monica" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lead & Foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 06:40:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have done only foiled stained glass pieces. I have never been able to figure out how to get the solder bead to stay on the edge even when turning down my soldering iron. Lately I have had a lot of trouble with the foil letting loose along the edge while trying to solder. In those cases I usually run lead around the outside. I know nothing about working with lead but have read in some of the posts that you are supposed to used some kind of cement to set the pieces. Is this also true when only using it around the edge of a piece? Thank you for any input. Monica ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 07:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:11:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Eye Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:07:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sherrie Soleim >I downloaded the demo version and like it so far. Question to those of you who have the full version ~ Is the full version worth the money? I'm thinking of purchasing it but I want to be sure before I spend the money. What do you like about it and what do you dislike about it?< Definately worth the money. I've had it for a couple of years now and do= the vast majority of my fine art projects with it. Pros: - able to create at one size and then have it automatically dimension it = to whatever dimension I need - it prints out designs on plain cut paper, with automatic tiling and pag= e numbering - can scan in something then put it in as background and then trace over = it - it knows the difference between thin lines, heart width lines, face wid= th lines, etc. - pretty intuitive to use Cons: - colors are not glass colors (yet) - cannot import or export to standard graphic file formats (yet) All in all, I can't do without it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 08:11:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:20:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Snow! Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:19:33 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks, We have 10-12" here in Delaware!!! Just moving from Fairbanks Alaska a couple of years ago, it makes me feel at home again!!! I love it. :) Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 08:26:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:24:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Lead lines ending in space Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:15:38 -0000 Message-ID: <200001261522.e0QFMVk04191@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk - Hi Shakeel, The correct term for this technique is called "floating lead" and was popular after WW2 to try and show off something "impossible". As Steve said, the lead was carried on into the panel, apparently without any cut, lead line, rhyme or reason and appeared to hang out there in an impossible space in the glass. In effect, the heart of the lead is cut out and the remaining face then shaped at will, and invariably glued on to the glass. It can be a very effective method of defying glass theory. Great if you you use it sparingly and subtly; obvious and gross if you "trowel" it on Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi > writes > >Hi everyone. > ...... > > On one of the > >sites sent by Brad there was a some works that I found interesting and hard > >to understand how they were made. An example is at: > > > >http://www.waynecain.com/contemporary.html > > > >the lead lines seem to start and end in space. And I wondered how that was > >done. > Shakeel, > German artists like Schiffrath after WW2 did a lot of hanging > lead lines. This has spread widely since then. Most often they are the > upper and lower leaves of the lead fixed to each side of the glass with > epoxy resin. The glass under is not actually cut at all. There is > still a lot of very clever cutting of glass in these panels, even if you > discount the hanging lead lines. > - ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 09:31:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:36:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks for glazing tips-- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to everyone who sent tips on glazing---now if anyone wants to come over to do it for me..... Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 11:02:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:04:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Press Release:Lamp Glassblowing Workshops Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:02:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is another press release sent as a service by IGGA. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glass Master: Harold Wolfgang Eberhart Lamp Glassblowing Workshops 3154 Shamrock Court, Ann Arbor, MI 48105 work 735-764-3385 home 734-9030 http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~eberhart Recognized instructor in Pyrex Flameworking Welcome to the formal certificate Flameworking Workshops, specializing in= European and American glassblowing techniques with 34 years of experience. All workshops are about 30 hours long, Thursday through Sunday, beginning= at 8:00am and ending at 4:00pm. The workshops are especially designed for your needs whether you are a beginner or an advanced student. You can request instruction in your advanced workshops= from several styles of flameworking. For example: Contemporary, Venetian, Modern, Free Form, Classic, or Traditional forms. You may want to focus on: vases, goblets, perfume bottles, candle holders or other items of interest. The courses are taught in Ann Arbor at Eberhart Studio with a maximum of eight students. Schedules subject to change. Travel Information is available.= Course Schedule and fees for 2000: Flameworking workshop schedule, 2000, total fees: $600.00 All students must pay by money order or bring cash upon arrival. Please,= no checks. A $200 non-refundable deposit by money order is necessary to secure your application, which will be counted as part of your tuition cost. Glassblowing equipment and all too= ls are supplied. Schedule: March 23-26 April 13-16 May 18-21 June 15-18 To register for more information: Harold W. Eberhart phone 734-764-3385 fax 734-763-0459 email: eberhart@engin.umich.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 11:37:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:39:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mosaic Teacher-Jacksonville needed Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:29:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Howdy Ho, Anyone in that area of Florida know anything about mosaics? If so, would you like to teach someone how to do it? Let me know. Thanks, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 11:42:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:56:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: Klmxklm@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG--Unsubscribe Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:54:25 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the Bungi list. Thanks. Kenneth (Mike) Mikolajczak (klmxklm@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 12:08:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:12:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: re lead and foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:29:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk With edge beading, I have found the knack is to keep the edge as horizontal as possible and be pretty quick when applying the bead. There is nothing to stop the foil lifting, so excess heat will lift the foil. The other problem is good foiling, if the foil is not 100% it will lift so easy, so wash glass well before foiling. I use a washing soda mixed in hot water, don't ask me how much as I just shake the packet at the water, all I can say is that when its enough the water feels silky on your hands. Dry well and foil, pressing the edge well down to get a good finish. Its all practise and we all get lifting sometimes. With a lead edge, I always tend not to apply cement, as copper foil is not suitable for exterior work, in the U.K anyway. I tend to use a "U channel came" to edge with and attach the bead to the came. this hold every thing secure. hope this helps Charlie (cold but snowless in Norfolk U.K) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 13:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:18:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Walden, Kit" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk The topic of lead vs. foil is reasonable to ponder. As a teacher, I teach copper foil separate from lead came. It is much like the piano and organ. Both use the same music but the instruments are clearly different. The copper foil method lends itself to both flat and three-dimensional stained glass construction. While you CAN do it in lead came, it is a bit more cumbersome to use lead came for 3-d items. The copper foil method is easier for students to grasp because it is not quite as precise as the lead came method. Also, copper foil panels in windows often crack because of the constant expansion and contraction due to the sun and elements. For this reason I recommend lead came construction for panels that are to be installed in windows. The lead came allows glass to expand and is more likely to stay intact rather than cracking. Someone has already mentioned that the basic determination is size...smaller sized glass pieces are easier to do in copper foil while the larger pieces are easier to do using the lead came method. Frankly, I believe the glass artist should be able to do both (preferences aside). I will admit I find doing lead came more of a challenge than copper foil; but I probably do more copper foil than lead came construction. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 13:52:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:28:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: "Andon" Lamps Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:17:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In the "Lamps for all Seasons 2000" calendar there are a couple of neat oriental "andon" lamps. I would love to make one, but does anyone know if you can buy the frames and/or lamp bottom... or anything that could be used for this? It is just a beautiful tall rectangle with 4 glass sides in a frame with a light bulb inside somehow... Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 14:32:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:19:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: massed.net!wmagdycz From: "Elaine" To: Subject: Re: Glass Eye Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This is the latest from the people at the Glass Eye: "I'm sorry to disappoint you, but we haven't made much progress on the features you want. No glass colors, no imports other than .bmp, no direct scanning..." My other wish was to be able to export in a format other than their own .eye so I can email a pattern to someone who doesn't own the GE and they can use it to cut the glass pieces. Their answer to that is to paste into Windows Paint, however, it pastes as a tiny thumbnail which is not of any use to me. I still like the software though. If I had it to do over, I would buy it again. The improvements - I will continue to dream. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherrie Soleim" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Glass Eye > I'm a newbie to glass so I wanted to get all your expert opinions. > > I downloaded the demo version and like it so far. Question to those > of you who have the full version ~ Is the full version worth the money? > I'm thinking of purchasing it but I want to be sure before I spend > the money. What do you like about it and what do you dislike about it? > > Thanks in advance for your opinions. > Sherrie > > > Elaine wrote: > > > Hilary, It's http://www.dfly.com/ > > I have it and really like it. Elaine > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 14:53:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:37:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:27:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk "Also, copper foil panels in windows often crack because of the constant expansion and contraction due to the sun and elements." a copper foil window (as any method of construction window) should not be exposed to the elements. as for heat (what gets a cu foil project hotter than 3 to 5 60 to 100 watt bulbs.......I have not had any cracking due to that. if there was going to be any cracking, I think soldering would have brought it about. i use mostly hand made glass and if any type of glass is subject to cracking from stress that certainly would be it. i usually attach the brass ring of the odyssey system by HEATING up the top of the shade and ring with a TORCH.......yes, sometimes I do get a crack from that, but with care, not often. the few larger windows i have done in CU foil over the last 19 years are still intact! of course if the handling and installation are not done properly, YES it will crack curved and thin pieces,,,, if i were to build a window with a lot of larger straight line rectangular (although I cannot think of why) pieces, came would be quicker and NOT require the exactness of CU foil as one has the width of came to hide mistakes in......where does one hide a mistake in CU.....what does not fit exact will not LINE up....note rectangles and straight line work is more exacting that curves and free-form type windows. some of the hardest shades are ones with grids, although they also (if done right) assemble the quickest and allow for the smallest foil lines posible. i usually cut a few extra shades (as in the turtle-backs) and just store the trapezoids should I need to make another one. time is in the set up, glass is cheap! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 15:05:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:38:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: al oberloh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5591E2037EF82A26671FFFEC" Subject: [Fwd: Neat site] Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:32:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5591E2037EF82A26671FFFEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought someone might be interested in this. --------------5591E2037EF82A26671FFFEC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail4.bellsouth.net (mail4.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.4]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id FAA16232; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.okeechobee.com ([207.30.184.47]) by mail4.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id FAA10401; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [209.215.76.153] by ntmail.okeechobee.com (NTMail 5.02.0001/NY2105.00.b0587233) with ESMTP id lujzmbaa for kcjd@bellsouth.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:47:34 -0500 Message-ID: <388ED09A.B464EE4A@4ez.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:46:50 -0500 From: "Capt. Ed" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amy-Chuck , Charles W Saitta , Cheryl Miller , Chip Robbins <"chip , Christie , Danielle Schnitzius Norwood , Gary-Valarie , Jim and Ann Beagle , John & Kris , Kurt-Dianne , Marsha , Ricky Spencer , Rita Tidwell , Stan Subject: Neat site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone has put together a listing of every High School in America. > > You find your state, find your city, then find your school > > and graduation year. Then, add your name and contact point. > > Soon, you can contact anyone from your class that is already > > there. Whoever did this was very thorough. > > > > http://www.highschoolalumni.com/ > > > > Be sure to forward this to everyone you know ... the more people > > you reach, the faster this web site grows and the quicker you find your > > friends! --------------5591E2037EF82A26671FFFEC-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 15:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Monica Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead & Foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:51:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi I find that if I start to bead at the end then make the next drop of solder a small space away from the first drop ,they will (should) blend together and make a nice bead on an outside edge. Do this all the way across and there you go. If you drop solder a little too far from the previous one you can always remelt and let them flow together. As with most things, it does take a little practice ,but after doing it a couple of times,you will get the hang of it. Regards Gillian Monica wrote: > I have done only foiled stained glass pieces. I have never been able to > figure out how to get the solder bead to stay on the edge even when turning > down my soldering iron. Lately I have had a lot of trouble with the foil > letting loose along the edge while trying to solder. In those cases I > usually run lead around the outside. I know nothing about working with lead > but have read in some of the posts that you are supposed to used some kind > of cement to set the pieces. Is this also true when only using it around the > edge of a piece? > Thank you for any input. > Monica > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 15:29:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:17:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: GlasDesign System Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:11:40 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF6820.6936BB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anyone familiar with the GlasDesign System? The url for their = website is http://www.glasdesign.com/ . We are contemplating purchasing = this system for our shop and would like any feedback from anyone who has = used it or knows anyone that has. Thank you in advance for your information. Mary Lou Eveland Stained Glass Unlimited www.stainedglassunl.com ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF6820.6936BB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is anyone familiar with the = GlasDesign=20 System?  The url for their website is http://www.glasdesign.com/ .=   We=20 are contemplating purchasing this system for our shop and would like any = feedback from anyone who has used it or knows anyone that = has.
 
Thank you in advance for your=20 information.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BF6820.6936BB60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 15:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:51:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: sales@coloradoblossoms.com, jschell@glassschell.com, bharrbharr@aol.com, Subject: The Color of Light - a recommended book! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <200001262149.QAA17761@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Julie Sloan just brought in Sarah Hall's "Color of Light - Commissioning Stained Glass for a Church," saying she found it to be one of the best stained glass books she seen recently. She recommends it highly. So we've added it to our list at Art in Architecture Press ... for more about the book, see http://aiap.com/ We think you'll be pleased. And remember, IGGA members get a 10% Supporting Supplier's discount. Art in Architecture Press 54 Cherry Street, North Adams MA 01247 (413) 663-7946 Fax: (413) 663-7167 http://www.aiap.com/ [Home Page] http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ [2300+ Glass Books!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 15:38:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:00:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "Peggy W. Johnsen" , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:56:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk So many people I respect say that. But I dont get it. I do both, and it seems to me that you can get away with far less cutting skill with lead than with copperfoil. To me, the only thing harder about doing a lead panel is mitering your lead to meet up neatly. I will be ever so thank ful if I am ever able to eyeball it like some people can. Suzanne "Peggy W. Johnsen" wrote: > The copper foil method is > easier for students to grasp because it is not quite as precise as the lead came method. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 16:08:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:36:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: The Color of Light - a recommended book! Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:35:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:info@aiap.com >Julie Sloan just brought in Sarah Hall's "Color of Light - = Commissioning Stained Glass for a Church," saying she found it to be = one of the best stained glass books she seen recently. She recommends = it highly.< The book is excellent.... we picked it up at it's debut at Form/Reform in Oct. and I have been promoting it since by sending one of Sarah's cards along with my promo material to churches and synagogues. The publisher is Liturgy Training Publications and their number is 1-800-933-1800. The Environment & Art Newsletter is also available through them, a must-have for liturgical artists, as well as well as their publication, "Pope John Paul II Letter to Artists". When seeking commissions = from the Catholic Church (or any denomination), it's helpful to have done your homework and reading these kinds of publications will give you the edge! Check out their website at www.ltp.org. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 16:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:43:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Linda Jo Letscher" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG Mostly cloudy....... :-\ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 00 16:42:15 Message-ID: <200001262342.QAA25665@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Geez, and it's been warm here, till today..Denver is 35 degrees right now, with what they call snow showers.. looks like snow but ain't ... no accumulation.. not much snow this year at all.. barefoot walk to the mailbox just about every day.. Wishing for 2 ft of snow.. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 17:39:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:16:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: non-stick foil observation Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:13:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk While foiling and being mind numb, I mused over the lack of foil sticking for some of us. I JUST rinse the glass in a strainer (no fancy additives to the water) with what ever temp of water comes out of the spigot. Dry the glass with a towel, or my shirt and proceed to foil. I USE ONLY Venture as I think it is stickier than edco (have not used edco in a decade or more). NOW for an observation......Are you using an OIL cutter that is swimming in oil and leaving enough oil on the glass to make very slippery and enough to do an oil change in the car????? WHY is their oil in your oil cutter.....my instructor told me so! Old reason for oiling a cutter PROBABLY went out with the throw away steel wheel cutters....some of you may even remember them? If I am going to do a lot of cutting (hours) I will put a DROP of oil on the axle of the cutting head and then wipe it off (usually on my shirt). Perhaps that it is why I have no trouble with the foil sticking,,,,,,,no oil on the glass!!!!! But my one shirt is a bit oily. Also DO NOT forget to burnish the foil onto the glass! When I have to re-foil a piece of glass for whatever reason, the foil has to removed with a razor blade as it will NOT peel off by pulling. Be brave, be daring, be the first on your block,fly in face of tradition........drain the oil from your cutter(s) cut dry and see if the world ends!!!!! as an aside I only get a few years of heavy use out of a carbide cutter head! Way too much time to spend with the keyboard............ENJOY, H I NEVER put oil in my cutters, weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 18:07:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:53:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Mostly cloudy....... :-\ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:44:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200001262342.QAA25665@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk lol...looking for Tulsa to shut down in the morning! We have a little over an inch pf snow so far, but the weather man keeps talking about a winter storm to remember! Says we could get up to a foot of snow tomorrow? I'll believe it when I see it. Meanwhile, I do expect that the schoools will be closed tomorrow. No one around here is the least prepared to deal with ice and snow. We have no special winter tires, or chains or what ever people that get snow have in the winter. Candy wrote: > > Geez, and it's been warm here, till today..Denver is 35 degrees right now, with what they > call snow showers.. looks like snow but ain't ... no accumulation.. not much snow this > year at all.. barefoot walk to the mailbox just about every day.. > > Wishing for 2 ft of snow.. > > Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 19:12:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:31:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, edupjohn@slonet.org, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:45:49 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/26/00 6:38:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > So many people I respect say that. But I dont get it. > I do both, and it seems to me that you can get away with far less > cutting skill with lead than with copperfoil. > > To me, the only thing harder about doing a lead panel is mitering your > lead to meet up neatly. I will be ever so thank ful if I am ever able > to eyeball it like some people can. > > Suzanne I disagree entirely about leading being easier, or needing less cutting skill. I love to lead. In fact it's about all i do and the only thing easy about leading is the way it seems a bit easier to make a professional looking job of whatever you're making. It's actually harder to make a well leaded window. You really don't have the open floor plan, so you have to keep adjusting to make things right. it's not easier, but to me, it's a whole philosophy of difference. as Foiling is more like putting together a puzzle, and leading is more of a building process. WHEW! Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 19:13:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:45:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: home.com!maryloueveland From: "ML Eveland" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: GlasDesign System......again Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:44:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'm sorry about the previous message, I forgot that I had HTML format selected. Below is the same message with out all of the extra stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: ML Eveland To: glass@bungi.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:11 PM Subject: GlasDesign System Is anyone familiar with the GlasDesign System? The url for their website is http://www.glasdesign.com/ . We are contemplating purchasing this system for our shop and would like any feedback from anyone who has used it or knows anyone that has. Thank you in advance for your information. Mary Lou Eveland Stained Glass Unlimited www.stainedglassunl.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jan 26 20:18:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:02:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: non-stick foil observation Date: Wed, 26 Jan 00 20:24:42 Message-ID: <200001270324.UAA12924@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk I just wipe mine down with alcohol just before I foil.. and yes, I have to remove mine with a razor too. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 03:44:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 03:14:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:56:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 16:56 26/01/00 -0600, Suzanne wrote: >So many people I respect say that. But I dont get it. >I do both, and it seems to me that you can get away with far less >cutting skill with lead than with copperfoil. > >"Peggy W. Johnsen" wrote: >> The copper foil method is >> easier for students to grasp because it is not quite as precise as the lead came method. >> I would agree that beginner students usually find the copper foil method easier to get to grips - and the nature of construction makes even a poorly designed, cut and soldered piece hold together and look good (to non-stained glassers at least). Meaning that their first few projects can be admired by their family and friends, which is a real boost to beginners struggling to cut to pattern! I always tell my students not to let anyone know if they have to "adapt" the design to allow for mistakes - call it "progressive designing" if they have to mention it at all. And to be honest - it normally doesnt matter if a copper foil project grows or shrinks in the making - as it is usually freehanging or standing - and does it really matter if a lampshade is 1/2 an inch bigger than intended, or the pattern not exactly matching on opposite sides?! EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 04:53:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 04:02:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Mostly cloudy....... :-\ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 05:47:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk We got 7 inches here in OKC yesterday... LOVE IT !!!!! Lee Suzanne Gunn wrote: > lol...looking for Tulsa to shut down in the morning! > > We have > a little over an inch pf snow so far, but the weather man keeps talking > about a winter storm to remember! Says we could get up to a foot of > snow tomorrow? I'll believe it when I see it. > Meanwhile, I do expect that the schoools will be closed tomorrow. No > one around here is the least prepared to deal with ice and snow. We > have no special winter tires, or chains or what ever people that get > snow have in the winter. > > Candy wrote: > > > > Geez, and it's been warm here, till today..Denver is 35 degrees right now, with what they > > call snow showers.. looks like snow but ain't ... no accumulation.. not much snow this > > year at all.. barefoot walk to the mailbox just about every day.. > > > > Wishing for 2 ft of snow.. > > > > Candy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 07:58:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: non-stick foil observation Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:58:37 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/26/00 8:39:47 PM, weaver51@teleport.com writes: >I JUST rinse the glass in a strainer (no fancy additives to the water) >with what ever temp of water comes out of the spigot. >Dry the glass with a towel, or my shirt and proceed to foil. I find that residual glass dust, not residual oil, is the biggest obstacle to getting foil to stick properly. Even if I've been a bit sloppy with the oil, a simple water rinse works just fine to get rid of it - but unless I've been grinding sloppy-wet enough to throw water everywhere, a little bit of glass dust always sticks to the ground edge, and short of using an "ultrasonic" jewelry cleaner (overkill even for me!), taking a towel to the edges is the only way I know to make sure they're not dusty. >I USE ONLY Venture as I think it is stickier than edco (have not used edco >in a decade or more). I've only used the black back Edco. I don't like it because it tends to be "icky-sticky" - the black stickum sometimes oozes out from under the foil and gunks things up when you solder it. I like 1-mil Venture. Wish they made a 1-mil black back too! >Be brave, be daring, be the first on your block,fly in face of >tradition........drain the oil from your cutter(s) cut dry and see if the >world ends!!!!! I don't know about anyone else, but I get far better scores and cleaner breaks when I use oil. Without it I get a lot more "knife edges" and ragged breaks and end up doing a lot more grozing and recutting. Besides, the oil traps the micro-fine glass dust that's inevitably generated by scoring. Not that it's much, but why have any more of that floating around in the air? As far as filling up with oil is concerned, oil-filled cutters always seem to leak. I keep a small jar with a sponge soaked in oil, and dip my cutter in that. Just my 2 brass farthings' worth........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 09:06:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:31:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: non-stick foil observation Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:28:03 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <200001271629.KAA13772@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I agree, Howard. I was surprised that non-sticking foil was a problem for some folks. I've never been particularly fastidious about washing my glass before foiling and haven't experienced any trouble with the foil. If the glass needed grinding, it's pretty wet and I just dry it with a cloth or paper towel (I'm more likely to ruin shirts with marking pens or patina). I'm going to try cutting dry. I don't get much oil on the surface of my glass, though, and I just towel that off, too. I think good burnishing is essential and its importance is often overlooked. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 09:28:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:37:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: yahoo.com!HyuL5Lr30 From: yahoo.com!HyuL5Lr30 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu Jan 27 08:37:25 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk THIS IS A ONE TIME MAILING You were sent this email because it was believed it would benefit you in some way If you do not want this email - simply delete it - TEST YOUR SATELLITE CHANNELS - DO THEY WORK? TEST THEM AND SEE Your satellite receiver - if you have Direct Tv - came with a little credit card sized programming card known as a smart card. 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To receive an order form and for more informaton - Please Call 1-770-621-5852 (24hours a day, 7 days a week). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 11:03:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:25:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: re lead and foil (sherri) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk well that's the business I suppose, a big list of do's and don'ts some of which have no reason behind them. All the student I have taught over the past few years have liked the idea of edge beading but in practise, like to surround there work with came. I recently made a piece from a book pattern. On completion I found a corner piece was not going to last long, it was only attached on one edge, after a couple of cleans I feared it loosen. So a nicely mitred "U" channel surround meant it was going to last a very long time. So if you find a way of doing something that suits you then keep with it. all the best Charlie (always looking for ways to make life easier) "Its just a ride" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 12:03:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:29:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Kaye Sodt" , Subject: Re: non-stick foil observation Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:50:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Kaye, I have never had the problem, but I am so picky about my glass being clean and such before I start foiling. I think Howard covered everthing really well. And with all those little teeny tiny pieces he puts in his lamps he knows. I quit with the oil a while back, and after I am done cutting then I clean my cutter & oil. Years ago when I took my beginner lessons, it was implied that there should be oil on the cut and for years I thought the oil aided in the cutting or breaking of the glass. So live and learn. I think I am a burnish a holic and really do mine far more than some, one gal I watched that did one pass and that was it. If I do a corner and don't like how it goes, I take it off and do it again. Oh yea, don't happen to like the sliver backed foil but do use it when I need to. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Kaye Sodt To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 12:18 PM Subject: non-stick foil observation >I agree, Howard. I was surprised that non-sticking foil was a problem for >some folks. I've never been particularly fastidious about washing >my glass before foiling and haven't experienced any trouble with the >foil. If the glass needed grinding, it's pretty wet and I just dry it with >a cloth or paper towel (I'm more likely to ruin shirts with marking >pens or patina). > >I'm going to try cutting dry. I don't get much oil on the surface of >my glass, though, and I just towel that off, too. I think good >burnishing is essential and its importance is often overlooked. > >Kaye >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jan 27 15:37:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:19:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #58 built 2000-Jan-21) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lead and foil Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 15:56:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Just for the record, I never have said that lead is easier than foil. Some of us are pretty exacting with copperfoil *as well* as with lead, and dont want our panel to grow or shrink regardless of the method of construction. The question I have asked that has never been answered, is What is it that is so precise in lead, that isnt in copperfoil? Just your measurements? As was said, with suncatchers it doesnt matter, but there are some that only do copperfoil panels, that are to be installed, I'd say measurements are as important to them as to anyone. It *has* to fit the intended space. Not all installations are exposed to weather. Im not trying to argue with anyone. Seems there are people that only do lead, and people that only do copperfoil, and for some reason seem to think the people that do the other are less talented or something. I enjoy both, and take both methods seriously. Lead is still very new to me, but dont find it *harder* so much as just different. It is becoming less different every day though, since at work we do 99.9% lead. The boss subs out copperfoil because it takes too long to foil. BTW...Ive heard people talk abouth their hands becoming fatiqued from cutting. I'd never experienced it. OH MAN... Do I ever know what it is like now. My hands and arms have been falling asleep, they are so fatiqued. It's a really strange sensation. I have been doing all the cutting the last few days, while someone else has been building. Im ready to switch again. The difference is...in my little studio, I complete one thing before going on to the next...so it isnt days worth of cutting at a time. At work...it is heavy production. We are each doing what we are each best/fastest at. Im cutting, one is building, and the other is plotting out the next 8'x4' panel. 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It is made to a brushable thickness, sometimes said to be like thick syrup (although I like mine a bit thicker). This is brushed under the leaves of the came, and the whole panel cleaned with whiting (calcium carbonate/chalk). As the linseed oil oxidises, it hardens, providing a great deal of stiffness to a panel. Some will say this is not necessary around the edge of a copper foiled piece, but without it, the came will pull away by stretching. The amount of stiffness provided by cement is illustrated by a Japanese character (origin) which I made in leaded glass, cemented in the normal way. I left it to cure for a month before I hung it and it is still hanging 3 years later. If you are in more of a hurry, then use a stiffer metal, zinc or brass. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Monica writes >I have done only foiled stained glass pieces. I have never been able to >figure out how to get the solder bead to stay on the edge even when turning >down my soldering iron. Lately I have had a lot of trouble with the foil >letting loose along the edge while trying to solder. In those cases I >usually run lead around the outside. I know nothing about working with lead >but have read in some of the posts that you are supposed to used some kind >of cement to set the pieces. Is this also true when only using it around the >edge of a piece? >Thank you for any input. >Monica > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 01:18:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:58:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #60 built 2000-Jan-27) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Suzanne Gunn Subject: Reinforcement of tall, narrow panels (was:lead vs foil) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:44:04 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Suzann, When the panels are not installed, they are week along their length. When installed the edges are supported by the mouldings or other fittings of the door, providing the vertical "strength". The horizontal reinforcement then prevents any bowing of the glass by the vibrations of the door closing. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Suzanne Gunn writes > >I just built some doors at work. I reinforced it as directed by the >studio owner. We reinforced it horizontally. They are tall narrow >panels. Seems to me it will sag by bending over. 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Make sure you stretch you wire first. KSee See Glass http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html National Capital Art Glass Guild www.ncagg.org Meredith Stained Glass Center www.meredithglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica To: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Lead & Foil | I have done only foiled stained glass pieces. I have never been able to | figure out how to get the solder bead to stay on the edge even when turning | down my soldering iron. Lately I have had a lot of trouble with the foil | letting loose along the edge while trying to solder. In those cases I | usually run lead around the outside. I know nothing about working with lead | but have read in some of the posts that you are supposed to used some kind | of cement to set the pieces. Is this also true when only using it around the | edge of a piece? | Thank you for any input. | Monica | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 07:03:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:36:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #60 built 2000-Jan-27) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: spam Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:38:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000128093827.008fcabc@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk how does spam get on this list on such a regular basis? 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Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 10:11:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:56:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Interesting glass site Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I ran across this glass site thought you might want a gander http://www.a-archive.com/ Enjoy Jill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 15:26:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:49:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Lead and foil Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne Gunn >BTW...Ive heard people talk abouth their hands becoming fatiqued from cutting. I'd never experienced it. OH MAN... Do I ever know what it is like now. My hands and arms have been falling asleep, they are so fatiqued. It's a really strange sensation. I have been doing all the cutting the last few days, while someone else has been building. Im ready to = switch again.< That's why in my studio, we all take turns doing different tasks. I usually have 3 or more projects going on simultaneously, in various stages of development, so we can choose which task we want to do today (within reason and given deadlines of course). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 18:14:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: steel wheel cutters Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:50:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000128205015.008f8440@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk > >Old reason for oiling a cutter PROBABLY went out with the throw away steel >wheel cutters....some of you may even remember them? I'm almost ashamed to admit I still like my old steel wheel for some glass! Dee :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 19:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:50:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Eye Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:47:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I've been real dissapointed in Mr Williky... About 2+ years ago he said that version 2 would be out soon with many new improvements...I've emailed him several times and its always the same ,that its not ready yet... I really believe he isnt doing anything with it...To bad really.. I really like the program and use it a lot... Would be REAL nice to have a new improved version....It would be well worth a couple hundred dollars for a screaming new version.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine To: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Glass Eye > This is the latest from the people at the Glass Eye: > > "I'm sorry to disappoint you, but we haven't made much progress on the > features you want. No glass colors, no imports other than .bmp, no direct > scanning..." > > My other wish was to be able to export in a format other than their own .eye so I > can email a pattern to someone who doesn't own the GE and they can use it to cut > the glass pieces. Their answer to that is to paste into Windows Paint, however, it > pastes as a tiny thumbnail which is not of any use to me. I still like the > software though. If I had it to do over, I would buy it again. The improvements - > I will continue to dream. Elaine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherrie Soleim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: Glass Eye > > > > I'm a newbie to glass so I wanted to get all your expert opinions. > > > > I downloaded the demo version and like it so far. Question to those > > of you who have the full version ~ Is the full version worth the money? > > I'm thinking of purchasing it but I want to be sure before I spend > > the money. What do you like about it and what do you dislike about it? > > > > Thanks in advance for your opinions. > > Sherrie > > > > > > Elaine wrote: > > > > > Hilary, It's http://www.dfly.com/ > > > I have it and really like it. Elaine > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jan 28 20:10:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:00:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Eye Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:47:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>>> Precedence: bulk I've been real dissapointed in Mr Williky... About 2+ years ago he said that version 2 would be out soon with many new improvements...I've emailed him several times and its always the same ,that its not ready yet... I really believe he isnt doing anything with it...To bad really.. I really like the program and use it a lot... Would be REAL nice to have a new improved version....It would be well worth a couple hundred dollars for a screaming new version.. Byron... Wells Glassworks ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine To: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Glass Eye > This is the latest from the people at the Glass Eye: > > "I'm sorry to disappoint you, but we haven't made much progress on the > features you want. No glass colors, no imports other than .bmp, no direct > scanning..." > > My other wish was to be able to export in a format other than their own .eye so I > can email a pattern to someone who doesn't own the GE and they can use it to cut > the glass pieces. Their answer to that is to paste into Windows Paint, however, it > pastes as a tiny thumbnail which is not of any use to me. I still like the > software though. If I had it to do over, I would buy it again. The improvements - > I will continue to dream. Elaine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherrie Soleim" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: Glass Eye > > > > I'm a newbie to glass so I wanted to get all your expert opinions. > > > > I downloaded the demo version and like it so far. Question to those > > of you who have the full version ~ Is the full version worth the money? > > I'm thinking of purchasing it but I want to be sure before I spend > > the money. What do you like about it and what do you dislike about it? > > > > Thanks in advance for your opinions. > > Sherrie > > > > > > Elaine wrote: > > > > > Hilary, It's http://www.dfly.com/ > > > I have it and really like it. Elaine > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 29 09:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:35:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: help on glass pricing Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:57:05 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF6A58.584D7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello we have not given classes on learning the art of stained glass and have had alot of demand on just beginner projects for classes so we thought we would offer a suncatcher class a couple of semi round cuts ,straight cuts, slightly curved cuts, and how to use foil the wrap them with and solder. the project is no problem however we want to be fair with our customers on charging for glass supplies and tools if they purchase- how do ya'll go about pricing for materials. we buy wholesale and have only sold completed projects up till now? i would greatly appreciate any and all imput you would be able to offer- thanks ricky glass expressions her is 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multipart/alternative; Subject: stainedglass software Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF6A5E.11F4F700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I downloaded test version of glasseye several weeks ago. has some nice = features but I myself wouldn't buy it from just the test version- = doesn't allow you enough to test as far as I'm concerned. =20 Has anyone tried any of the quilting(sewing) software design = packages available? There are quite a few out there I believe. Our local quilt store has = even had classes once or twice on using and comparing all the different = ones. just a thought . joined this site about 3-4 weeks ago, and at first wondered what I = had gotten myself into- it was different- interesting-somewhat = laughable. am glad its now back to the Learning Channel mode. -Linda ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF6A5E.11F4F700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  I downloaded test = version of=20 glasseye several weeks ago. has some nice features but I myself wouldn't = buy it=20 from just the test version- doesn't allow you enough to test as far as = I'm=20 concerned.   
      =20 Has anyone tried any of the quilting(sewing) software design packages=20 available?
There are quite a few out = there I=20 believe.   Our local quilt store has even had classes once or = twice on=20 using and comparing all the different ones.
  just a thought = .
     = joined this=20 site about 3-4 weeks ago, and at first wondered what I had gotten myself = into-=20 it was different- interesting-somewhat laughable.  am glad its now = back to=20 the Learning Channel mode.   -Linda
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BF6A5E.11F4F700-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 29 16:33:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:10:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Glass Expressions Subject: Re: help on glass pricing Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:22:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Ricky, Why the image? don't send such in an e-mail, please. Anyway, to answer the question of how much to charge for materials and tools. Look at retail catalogues and decide if those are fair prices. If so, that is what the student will have to pay elsewhere. You can discount a little if you want. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Glass Expressions writes >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF6A58.584D7200 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >hello we have not given classes on learning the art of stained glass and >have had alot of demand on just beginner projects for classes so we thought >we would offer a suncatcher class a couple of semi round cuts ,straight >cuts, slightly curved cuts, and how to use foil the wrap them with and >solder. the project is no problem however we want to be fair with our >customers on charging for glass supplies and tools if they purchase- how do >ya'll go about pricing for materials. we buy wholesale and have only sold >completed projects up till now? i would greatly appreciate any and all >imput you would be able to offer- thanks ricky glass expressions her is >our email glassx@bardstown.com > >------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF6A58.584D7200 >Content-Type: image/gif >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-ID: <000601bf6a15$4a11c800$0100007f@oemcomputer> PS please don't send this any more. S -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 29 19:49:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 19:38:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "jazzykid" , Subject: RE: Interesting glass site Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk it's an intresing site, some cool work, just wish the pictures were a little clearer. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. > -----Original Message----- > From: jazzykid [mailto:jazzykid@tir.com] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 12:58 PM > To: Bungi > Subject: Interesting glass site > > > Hi all, > > I ran across this glass site thought you might want a gander > http://www.a-archive.com/ > > Enjoy > Jill > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 29 20:53:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:36:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wire art Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:36:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All! I need your help...Not a glass question...My daughter gave me a wire bug for christmas. It's made of tinned wire and gem stones holding a cigarette lighter. The body is made up of 2 separate stones wrapped in came then soldered together. The eyes are 2 separate stones camed and soldered to the body, feelers, 4 legs with drops of solder for feet. It has a bill like a duck and a cigarette hanging out of its mouth.(cracks me up just looking at it). She lives in Madison Wisconsin...said she found it in a jewelry store, I think on State Street...and WE know what its like on State St! Anything goes! I dearly love it. The owner of the store said she makes her own "creatures". This was the creature I picked out. The store also had a wire band-dancers-spiders etc. Do any of you know where I might find a book or web site that carries such items? Thanks Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jan 29 23:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:28:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mike Savad Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, Is your site still at http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 I would like to add it to my ebay personal page as one of my favorite sites on the web. Would that be alright? Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 30 04:42:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 04:10:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: esatclear.ie!glassman From: Tony Dutcher To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Help with U.V. gluing Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:00:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have been haveing a problem gluing a few pieces of glass. The pieces are about 5x7 inches in size and 1.5 mils thick. Its red on clear flashed glass that has been etched to remove some of the red and then painted. I was able to glue some of the thicker pieces with Hexol, but I couldn't get it to take on all of them. I would like to avoid using silcone because of the surface area of the glass, I glued some of them with a U.V. glue, some german brand. So I was wondering if I could get a few tips on using U.V. glue. I know that on flashed glass, the colored side should be facing down, away from the lamp. but how long do you leave the glass under the lamp? If I wait until I can feel the glue take on the glass I have a problem taking the execess glue off the painted side of the glass. Any hints? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 30 14:38:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:23:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #61 built 2000-Jan-28) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: What are lampworking beads? Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:17:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk HI gang, I am still at ebay. I found this list of auctions http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=binki_k She has serveral lampworking beads there. Angel, butterfly(my favorite), dragons, a siamese cat fairy(my second favorite), hummingbirds, a dolphin, and more. Are these things made the way you see the guys at the fair make glass objects? Ya know with a glass rod and open flame of some sort? Thanks, Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jan 30 20:03:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:54:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: I've enjoyed my stay Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:39:18 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk But please remove me from the list. i find I can no loger afford the time my mail is taking me. I have had fun, for the short time I've been here. May I check back in some time? 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Send an email to 2943m@excite.com ------------------------------------------------------- 57732122224404668153 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 00:32:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:02:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lead vs foil Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:35:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<388F7BAC.59A6EC91@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Suzanne: After I re-read what I said, I will have to confess that it was not what I meant when I said I found lead came to be more challenging. I should have metnioned that I prefer lead came projects over copper foil. Most of the lead came work I do uses 5/32 lead came...that requires closer fitting of the glass which trickles down to include cutting, etc. I find the copper foil work more forgiving in terms of exactness. Both require precision but to varying degrees. Of course, if one uses larger h-came, cutting, fitting, and grinding all become less precise. When I say I find lead came to be more challenging, I really meant it in terms of preference and construction challenges. I think I am digging myself in further. I enjoy copper foil primarily because I enjoy soldering. Heck, I just enjoy working with both and it depends on what I am doing that I select lead or copper foil. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 00:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:24:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: terra.com.pe!ivargas From: "Ivette Vargas Icochea" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Ginders? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 03:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Cirujano Dentista Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF6B99.8181D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=20 My name is Ivette Vargas, I'm Dentistand and I live in Lima, Peru. =20 I have a question ... =20 I need to buy a grinder, but I don=B4t know what model should I buy, can = you tell me what mark and what model can I buy? =20 I have listened that the Glastar grinder (Super Star II) is very good, = is this correct? =20 I,m sorry for my English, is not very good =20 I am semi-professional in stained glass. ** EMAIL REVISADO POR THE HACKER ANTIVIRUS ** _____________________________________________ VITRALES STAINED GLASS CLUB http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vitralesstainedglass =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF6B99.8181D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF6B99.8181D0C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 05:09:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:47:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: embee@mediaone.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:30:39 -0800 Message-ID: <200001311330.FAA00855@cob318.dn.net> Precedence: bulk >From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Wed Jan 19 13:25:31 2000 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by twinwolf.net (8.8.5) id NAA24420; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:25:31 -0700 (MST) X-Info1: œ************************************************* X-Info2: œThis E-Mail came through the TWINWOLF.NET server X-Info3: œIf you suspect this email was sent by a spammer X-Info4: œthrough this site, please forward the ENTIRE X-Info5: œemail message to abuse@twinwolf.net X-Info6: œ************************************************* Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #55 built 2000-Jan-19) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: NG Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:36:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: db4d03b928e33c07fa0b3cd834023ac8 This last brouhaha over a scripture being used in a signature was my swan song, so to speak. When I constantly face horrible insults such as trash television, filthy songs and books and the offering in Brooklyn Museum (to name a very few) all in the name of "Freedom of Expression", it truly offends me to hear and read someone's indignation by the use of Scripture. Please unsubscribe me. Thank you, Mary Barry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 06:14:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:04:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: fusing glass and clay Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:05:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000131090540.008f2608@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk has anyone done any fusing to clay and have any tips to offer? I haven't done clay work before and am just playing around with it right now... i have learneed that glass sticks to clay with out adequate release applied, but what about over time (coe differences?)? Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 09:17:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Archive Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:02:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am posting this to Chris Kaiser, or anyone who knows the archive site. I forgot the URL, and I want to pass it along to a friend who is interested in joining the list. Thanks.. Mary PS Please respond to me at embee@mediaone.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 11:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:56:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: heesun.com!keane From: "Robert & Jeanne" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Maryland members..... Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. Precedence: bulk MabelJust wanted to invite any members in the Maryland area or nearby to our Anniversary celebration on February 19, 2000. For more info check out the following link www.heesun.com/anniversary.htm Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. 324 Main Street Reisterstown , MD 21136 410-833-3007 Custom Design Studio ,Supplies & Classes for Stained & Fused Glass & Mosaics ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 11:41:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:21:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Robert & Jeanne" , Subject: Re: Maryland members..... Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:13:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Sure wish I was up your way, I would for sure come, but alass, I am in Florida. Hope you have a good turn out. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Robert & Jeanne To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, January 31, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: Maryland members..... >MabelJust wanted to invite any members in the Maryland area or nearby to our >Anniversary celebration on February 19, 2000. >For more info check out the following link > >www.heesun.com/anniversary.htm > > >Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. >324 Main Street >Reisterstown , MD 21136 >410-833-3007 Custom Design Studio ,Supplies & Classes for Stained & Fused >Glass & Mosaics > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 15:10:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:49:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Dee Thompson Subject: Re: fusing glass and clay Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:05:36 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<3.0.32.20000131090540.008f2608@pop.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk Dee, Many of the glazes used in ceramics, are glass based. This is one of the reasons the glaze becomes cracked over time, as the differences in expansion are enough to break the glaze or the ceramic. One advantage is the glaze is very thin. This would need to be considered in any fusing. Also I have seen a pot crushed by the glaze. Too thick or wrong expansion rate? a lot of testing will be required. Good luck. Steve In message <3.0.32.20000131090540.008f2608@pop.erols.com>, Dee Thompson writes >has anyone done any fusing to clay and have any tips to offer? I haven't >done clay work before and am just playing around with it right now... i >have learneed that glass sticks to clay with out adequate release applied, >but what about over time (coe differences?)? >Dee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jan 31 15:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:04:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #66 built 2000-Jan-30) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Archive question again Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:54:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all.. Thanks for the responses I received thus far. What I am looking for is the archive that I worked on with Chris Kaiser and Jim, which has information listed by subject matter. The site on the Bungi page has archives listed by digest numbers. Does anyone have the URL for Chris and Jim's archives? Thanks again.. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 1 07:36:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:13:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #68 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: Subject: RE: fusing glass and clay Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:04:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Dee, When I took my first classes in sg about 4 years ago it was at a place that also did clay work. One day I was hanging out with the owner of the shop and we were talking about what to do with "left-over" glass. She showed me some pieces that she had done years before when she had time to play. One that stayed in my mind was a vase. She had put glass "chips" on the vase when the enamel was painted on and still wet (sorry if it comes out not too clear, am translating from Spanish to English) letting them stick. Then she fired it. The effect was really cool. Kira -----Mensaje original----- De: Dee Thompson Para: glass@bungi.com Fecha: lunes 31 de enero de 2000 15:15 Asunto: fusing glass and clay >has anyone done any fusing to clay and have any tips to offer? I haven't >done clay work before and am just playing around with it right now... i >have learneed that glass sticks to clay with out adequate release applied, >but what about over time (coe differences?)? >Dee >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 1 07:46:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #68 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: fusing glass and clay Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:51:24 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 1/31/00 6:12:52 PM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: >[...] the differences in >expansion are enough to break the glaze [...] Which of course is the principle behind "crackle" glazes. A guy I knew in college used to play around with those a lot, messing with the glaze formula and setting up the firing and cooling conditions so he'd get more or less crackles, then staining the fired pot to bring them out. Glazes can be pretty wild things. My favorite was one called "o-mae-san," which is white and "curdles" when fired in a reducing (oxygen-poor) atmosphere to give a rubbly "cottage-cheese" surface that shows the underglaze between the "curds" - but only if it's on a near-vertical surface. On a horizontal surface it doesn't separate, just gets sort of vaguely "globby." >[...] Also I have seen a pot crushed by the glaze. Too thick or >wrong expansion rate? I've never heard of such a thing happening. My guess is, mainly the former. Under what conditions did it happen? Glaze too thick combined with too-rapid cooling? Wrong firing conditions (fired too high or oxidizing vs. reducing atmosphere, either of which which would change the chemical composition of the glaze and therefore its thermal-expansion behavior as well)? Just a couple of wild-ass guesses. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 1 08:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:33:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #68 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Bungi" Subject: Archives Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded. I have found out that the archives are not on the web yet. Again, my thanks! Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 1 08:36:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #68 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: terra.com.pe!ivargas From: "Ivette Vargas Icochea" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:23:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Cirujano Dentista Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF6CA6.BC8A1480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thank you to all for their suggestions =20 I will buy the Super Star II of Glastar =20 Greetings from Peru =20 Ivette ** EMAIL REVISADO POR THE HACKER ANTIVIRUS ** _____________________________________________ VITRALES STAINED GLASS CLUB http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vitralesstainedglass =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01BF6CA6.BC8A1480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:15:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: ivargas@terra.com.pe, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Thanks Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:42:57 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/1/00 8:36:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, ivargas@terra.com.pe writes: > Thank you to all for their suggestions > I will buy the Super Star II of Glister > Greetings from Peru Make sure you get the right voltage/hertz for Peru. Not sure what you use there but Glister furnishes other electrical setups than the 120 volt 60 hertz used in the USA. Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 1 16:35:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA press release: StainedGlassPatterns.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following is a press release from StainedGlassPatterns.com which IGGA provides as a service to its members. It is not an endorsement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director -------------Forwarded Message----------------- PRESS RELEASE: StainedGlassPatterns.com Releases Free Pattern Resizing So= ftware FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE StainedGlassPatterns.com Releases Free Pattern Resizing Software FOR EVALUATION COPY: Download it from http://stainedglasspatterns.com/download.php Mississauga, Ontario, Canada -- February 7, 2000 -- The StainedGlassPatterns.com pattern sharing site is now providing a free program, the Rapid Resizer, enabling users to easily print precisely resized copies of any of the patterns there. StainedGlassPatterns.com is the first web-site to facilitate pattern sharing by stained glass artisans throughout the world. "This will change the way every computer user finds and resizes patterns -- in the future you could have easy access to tens of thousands of free patterns," says Patrick Roberts, owner of StainedGlassPatterns.com. Patterns can be contributed through e-mail or directly from the program. The popularity of each pattern is recorded and displayed. For a fee a user can also resize patterns from any other source, including a scanner. The pattern resizing software provided by StainedGlassPatterns.com is a modified version of one of a pair programs developed by Patrick Roberts. The other of the two, the Pattern Wizard, facilitates designing patterns. Both programs are available at http://SGDesigns.com FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Patrick Roberts E-mail: patrick@stainedglasspatterns.com http://StainedGlassPatterns.com Tel: 1-905-823-4469 Fax: 1-905-823-5880= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 1 17:11:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Press Release: R. Bruce Laughlin classes Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following information is provided by the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA) as a service to our members. It is informational only, and is not an endorsement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director ------------------------------------------------------ R. Bruch Laughlin - Fused/Leaded Glass 310 Hackmatack Street, Manchester, CT 06040 Studio phone: 860-646-0898 The following classes/workshops are being offered at the R. Bruce Laughlin studio. A graphic designer, Bruce Laughlin has been working in kiln fired glass for the past 25 years. He has taught at the Brookfield Craft Center, Guilford Handcraft Center, Wesleyan Potters, Inc., Horizons, the NE Craft Program, Touchstone Center for Crafts, Manchester Community Tech. College, and has been a guest instructor for the League of NH Craftsmen. He teaches at CT State University and has taught in his own studio for the past 15 years. "Silkscreen Techniques on Glass" workshop: 10am - 5pm Fri., Sat., Sun. April 7-9 repeat workshop: 10am - 5pm Frid., Sat., Sun. May 12-14 registration fee: $195, plus $50 lab fee A one weekend workshop in silkscreen techniques fired on glass. Limited to 6 pre-registered students. The workshop will include construction and preparation of the screen, including photo silkscreen, production of a finished piece and firing, demonstrations and experimental techniques. This same workshop is also offered May 12-14. "Advanced Fusing Workshop" * NEW * workshop: 9am - 5:30pm Sat & Sun April 29-30 registration fee: $195, plus $50 lab fee For the experienced fuser. This is a new 2 day workshop to continue exploring new products and techniques in the fusing and slumping of glass, including deep slumped shapes. Also includes introduction to new colorants that have recently become available. "Fused Glass Workshop" workshop: 9am - 5:30pm Sat & Sun May 6 & 7 registration fee: $185, plus $50 lab fee A one weekend workshop in fused glass to a limited number (6) of pre-registered students. This workshop includes glass slumping, fusing and coloring, the firing capabilities of kilns and mold making. Registration is limited/first come basis on payment in full or $50 deposit. Refunds: tuition refunds will be made only in the event that a student cancels 2 weeks prior to class, or that the class is cancelled. Accommodations: Reasonable accommodations in the area - please request information. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 2 02:06:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:44:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: Subject: RE: fusing glass and clay Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:38:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Ali, Yes, I meant glaze. That is the bad thing about learning things in another language and then talking about them in another. You translate them literally and it just doesn't come out right! I really couldn't tell you at what temp. they were fired at. It was quite some time ago. I would imagine though that they would have been fired at the temp. necessary for the individual glaze. Yes they were put on individually while the glaze was wet. Kinda time consumming but so is glass. Another thing that she showed me was a plate that had been fired with a glaze then sprinkled with glass chips (I mean the size of these letters some smaller or bigger-you get what I mean?) in the middle. The effect was really cool. The glass had melted and combined with the glaze. Then another piece she showed me was a vase that had been previously glazed and then pieces set on the top part of the "container" of the vase where there was a small ledge. Then fired lower than normal again, I don't know at what temp. just lower than normal. Maybe try half the temp. Again, the effect was really cool. Some of the glass had melted completely and ran down the vase and some of it had just slightly deformed. An idea, I don't know if they or you do this in the states. But 2 years ago I was doing a ceramics class for a year. The teacher was really big on not buying pre-made glazes and teaching us to make our own and experiment. What we did was to take 10x10cm (I think that is 4x4") unglazed but fired premade tiles. Here you can get them anywere. We would then do 1x1" samples or smaller all over the tiles then fire them and you can get a pretty good idea how something is going to come out or what you want to continue playing with more. Hope this helps. Kira -----Mensaje original----- De: Ali Casado Para: Kira Mason Fecha: martes 1 de febrero de 2000 22:20 Asunto: RE: fusing glass and clay Hi Kira, You mentioned that glass chips were placed on the painted on "Enamel" while it was still wet. Do you mean painted on "Glaze"???? I do ceramics and we Glaze the entire piece to make it either Glossy (Shiney) or Matt (Flat or without Shine). Is that what you're speaking of when you say Enamel??? At what temperature did the owner of the shop fire the vase with the glass, in the kiln??? Ali :=) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 2 15:53:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:45:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: tartan Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:43:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk can anyone help with a tartan pattern. any suggestions will be good. all the best Charlie "Its just a ride" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 2 16:23:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:14:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: juno.com!suzan.e.b1 From: suzan e becker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: ceramic kiln Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:38:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk While we are on the subject of ceramics and glass - our stained glass club has been offered the use of a large ceramic kiln, hooked up and ready to go. Can it be used for glass fusing? Would like to hear from anyone who has had experience fusing in a ceramic kiln. Thanks. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 2 17:28:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:15:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #69 built 2000-Feb-1) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_84.ea81f7.25ca2f7e_boundary" Subject: Fwd: ceramic kiln Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:10:22 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_84.ea81f7.25ca2f7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com --part1_84.ea81f7.25ca2f7e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Bobfuses@aol.com From: Bobfuses@aol.com Full-name: Bobfuses Message-ID: <19.f700f4.25ca2dec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:03:40 EST Subject: Re: ceramic kiln To: suzan.e.b1@juno.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47 Sure you can use a ceramic kiln for fusing glass. It is best to only fire one shelf of glass at a time and with large projects go a bit slower than in a true glass kiln. If the ceramic kiln does not have a pyrometer it will be hard to judge the temperature but a pyrometer can be back fitted. Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com --part1_84.ea81f7.25ca2f7e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 14:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:33:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #72 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Looking For Jay Smith Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:35:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Last known area of this artist was Massachusetts. Contact me if you know where he may be now. Thanks, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 14:06:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #72 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG: Thanks for alumni site Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk To whoever the angel was that posted the site to classmates.com: Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Believe it or not, I found a really good long lost friend and we finally got in touch with each other TODAY! I am beside myself with glee!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Now, what kind of glass piece can I make for her to celebrate our finding each other?????!!!! Hilary BSHS Class of '65! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 14:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:38:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #72 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Artist Referral-Morganton North Carolina Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:40:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk "We are a small Episcopal church in Western North Carolina. We are looking for an artist to create a small stained glass piece to fit above the alter- Ideas related to our community - Lake - Mountains - Jesus walking on water." Please email Pam within 48 hours if you are interested in this job. Thanks, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 14:32:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:16:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #72 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: falcon.cc.ukans.edu!elgarber From: eg To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: light box Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:15:16 -0600 Message-ID: <200002032215.QAA0000031187@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have written plans for a light box? Some time back someone posted some but I don't have them anymore. Thanks. Ellen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 16:08:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:52:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #72 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Looking for artist David Oppenheimer Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk He is an artist out of Georgia that specializes in fish. Give me a holler if you know of his whereabouts :) Thanks, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 17:39:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 17:12:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #72 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "eg" , "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: light box Date: Thu, 03 Feb 00 18:11:32 Message-ID: <200002040111.SAA24608@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Ellen, All I did was cut a square out of my worktable, and route the edges. Then I bought some plate glass and layed it on the routed edge. I put two fluorescent lights under it , and voila!! Candy On Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:15:16 -0600, eg wrote: >Does anyone have written plans for a light box? Some time back someone >posted some but I don't have them anymore. Thanks. Ellen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 21:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:56:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #73 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Thanks for alumni site Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:19:26 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/3/00 5:07:40 PM, hilary@voicenet.com writes: >Now, what kind of glass piece can I make for her to celebrate our >finding each other?????!!!! > >Hilary BSHS Class of '65! A suncatcher of your school's mascot, maybe? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 21:36:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:27:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #73 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Check this bead out Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251425992 Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 3 22:38:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:17:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #73 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Shirley Balloch" , Subject: Re: Check this bead out Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Really nice Shirley. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: Check this bead out >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251425992 >Shirley B >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 02:37:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:17:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #73 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: terra.com.pe!ivargas From: "Ivette Vargas Icochea" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Stained Glass Mirrors Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:15:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Cirujano Dentista Precedence: bulk Hi! Can somebody help me? I have heard and read that it is necessary to use a sealant to make stained glass mirrors, could somebody tell me which is the correct technique to work them correctly? I am learning how to work with them and I would like to make it with a good technique. Thank you Greetings from Lima, Peru Ivette ** EMAIL REVISADO POR THE HACKER ANTIVIRUS ** _____________________________________________ VITRALES STAINED GLASS CLUB http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vitralesstainedglass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 04:39:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 04:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #73 built 2000-Feb-3) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: suzan e becker Subject: Re: ceramic kiln Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:12:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Yes, ceramic kilns can be used for glass painting, fusing and slumping. Also casting. They are great for annealing, as they loose heat slowly in the critical temperature range. You often have to crash cool ceramic kilns to drop the temperature fast enough to avoid devitrification. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, suzan e becker writes >While we are on the subject of ceramics and glass - our stained glass >club has been offered the use of a large ceramic kiln, hooked up and >ready to go. Can it be used for glass fusing? >Would like to hear from anyone who has had experience fusing in a ceramic >kiln. Thanks. >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 07:11:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:50:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: falcon.cc.ukans.edu!elgarber From: eg To: Pamela Burns-Tappan , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Looking for artist David Oppenheimer Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:51:08 -0600 Message-ID: <200002041351.HAA0000027561@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I have been looking for a catfish pattern. Have one? Ellen At 01:42 PM 02/03/2000 -0800, Pamela Burns-Tappan wrote: >He is an artist out of Georgia that specializes in fish. Give me a >holler if you know of his whereabouts :) > >Thanks, > >Pam > > > >-- > >Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://www.stainedglassartists.com >A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. >http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 08:20:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:48:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Ivette Vargas Icochea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Mirrors Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Ivette You can use clear nail polish around the cut edges of your mirror to seal the backing before you foil. Regards Gillian Ivette Vargas Icochea wrote: > Hi! > > Can somebody help me? > I have heard and read that it is necessary to use a sealant to make stained > glass mirrors, could somebody tell me which is the correct technique to > work them correctly? I am learning how to work with them and I would like > to make it with a good technique. > > Thank you > Greetings from Lima, Peru > > Ivette > > ** EMAIL REVISADO POR THE HACKER ANTIVIRUS ** > _____________________________________________ > > VITRALES STAINED GLASS CLUB > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vitralesstainedglass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 09:00:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:50:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Mirrors Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Peru! I make a lot of boxes with mirrored bottoms. I've had "black rot" creep through my nail polish, but not through the spray "mirror sealant" that you can buy at the stained glass stores. I will admit that it could be my fault though--I may not have done a very thorough job of polishing the silver edge with the nail polish. By the way, the point of this exercise is to seal the silver backing on the mirror to keep flux and other chemicals away from it. So use good thick coats and maybe even go over it twice. Shari in SLC > > I have heard and read that it is necessary to use a sealant to make stained > > glass mirrors, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 09:30:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:22:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Stained Glass Mirrors Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:20:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk isn't this a pain to put on? i just spray the back and edges, before foiling, with kryon spray paint. you can get it for about $1 on sale. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Higson [mailto:tandg.higson@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 9:56 AM To: Ivette Vargas Icochea Subject: Re: Stained Glass Mirrors Hi Ivette You can use clear nail polish around the cut edges of your mirror to seal the backing before you foil. Regards Gillian Ivette Vargas Icochea wrote: > Hi! > > Can somebody help me? > I have heard and read that it is necessary to use a sealant to make stained > glass mirrors, could somebody tell me which is the correct technique to > work them correctly? I am learning how to work with them and I would like > to make it with a good technique. > > Thank you > Greetings from Lima, Peru > > Ivette > > ** EMAIL REVISADO POR THE HACKER ANTIVIRUS ** > _____________________________________________ > > VITRALES STAINED GLASS CLUB > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vitralesstainedglass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 10:20:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:03:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" , Subject: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:01:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hey all you "glassies" out there. Anyone headed to Las Vegas next month? Glenna, Bob Du, Charlie, any other westerners? I'm going this year and have a couple of workshops booked. Shari in SLC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 11:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:51:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: "Kathe R. Mc Donald" To: "'Shari'" , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:47:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: SOM - Office of Curricular Support Precedence: bulk I'm going to try to make it. Kathe from Sacramento ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 11:30:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:04:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:04:10 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'll have a booth at Class Craft Expo 2000. Mostly to show off the work of Bobby Valdez. He is a great fuser. Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 11:30:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:15:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Mirrors Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:12:32 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/4/00 2:37:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, ivargas@terra.com.pe writes: > I have heard and read that it is necessary to use a sealant to make stained > glass mirrors, Some but not all mirror backings break down when exposed to flux and the silvering turns black, in a few days or weeks, ruining the piece. A stained glass shop will likely sell only mirror that does not get "mirror rot." Failing that there is a sealant sold for the purpose. I use a coat of any old varnish that I let dry well and never have a problem. Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 12:23:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:08:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #75 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Shari" , glass Subject: Re: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:07:14 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas?" on Feb 4, 11:01, "Shari" writes:] > Hey all you "glassies" out there. Anyone headed to Las Vegas next month? > Glenna, Bob Du, Charlie, any other westerners? I'm going this year and have > a couple of workshops booked. > yes,.. I'll be there! I've got all 4 days booked with classes. What are you taking? I'm mainly taking fusing classes. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 13:57:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: adelphia.net!alewis From: alewis@adelphia.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#249469923: Etching & Engraving -a Studio Handbook Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:48:59 PST Message-ID: <20000204214858.BB4F430C3@rocketfrog.ebay.com> Precedence: bulk I saw this item for sale at eBay, and thought that you might be interested. It's a book on Etching & Engraving - a Studio Handbook ... actually, there are a couple of interesting books on etching techniques. Search for "etching" Title of item: Etching & Engraving -a Studio Handbook Seller: martinpjanuario@worldnet.att.net Starts: Jan-30-00 09:13:14 PST Ends: Feb-06-00 09:13:14 PST Price: Starts at $2.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249469923 Item Description: Etching and Engraving- a Studio Handbook by Walter Chamberlain was published by the Vikinig Press in 1973. Hardcover of 200 pages has 104 illustrations (8 in color). This comprehensive and interesting book has 16 chapters:The Technique of EtchingSoft-ground EtchingAquatintOpen Bite, Deep Etch and Relief EtchingPhoto-etchingAcidsMethods of BitingCorrections & AlterationsThe History and Development of Burin EngravingThe Technique of Burin EngravingDrypointMezzotintIntaglio Printing: MonochromeIntaglio Printing: MonochromeIntaglio Printing: ColurThe Finishing TouchesYou will be pleased with the quality of the explanations and the beauty of the etchings and engravings which grace this book. Book is in Very Good Condition with light wear to dust cover. Pages are tight and clean. No writing in book. Buyer pays 2.50 shipping and insurance. Good Luck! Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community athttp://www.ebay.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 14:00:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:27:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000204132731.009c4cf0@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm considering it...have gotten as far as reserving the weekend on my calendar just in case. Steve in N. California At 11:01 AM 2/4/00 -0700, Shari wrote: >Hey all you "glassies" out there. Anyone headed to Las Vegas next month? >Glenna, Bob Du, Charlie, any other westerners? I'm going this year and have >a couple of workshops booked. > >Shari in SLC > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 14:17:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:40:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: shigbee@mtcon.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:35:22 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Since I've moved from metro L.A. to Las Vegas, I'll be there for sure. Interesting glass to check out in the area, from the 10 MYN $'s ceiling @ Bellagio, and the incredible work in the main Casino @ Sunset Station, to the equally nice but more mundane panels at Barbary Coast. The syncronized (to Sinatra, and Andrea Bocelli, to name a few) fountains at Bellagio, are not to be missed. Of the two newest resorts, Paris and Mandalay Bay, the two are very different, and equally worth seeing. Of the downtown hotels offered, the Golden Nugget is far superior (same ownership as Bellagio, Mirage, and Treasure Island). Richard Callahan Richard Callahan Stained Glass, Las Vegas (Formerly Glassics Artglass, Vvalencia, Ca) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 16:28:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:06:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Thanks for alumni site Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:12:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Sparks, > >Now, what kind of glass piece can I make for her to celebrate our > >finding each other?????!!!! > > > A suncatcher of your school's mascot, maybe? > Hummmm, well, considering our history at school, maybe a suncatcher of us mooning the school mascot.... Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 4 22:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:29:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Couple of Michiganders headed that way too. How about a glass gab fest some night after classes are over for the day and convention center is closed? We are staying at the Nugget too. Thanks Richard for the info on what glass to see..I wanted a list before I headed out to Vegas. If you have any more suggestions please pass them along. Jill Medlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 02:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:33:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sat Feb 5 02:32:16 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk CENTURIES OLD PASTRY RECIPE FOUND ! Exquisite Pastry, Simple to Make. The amazing find of probably the oldest recipe known, from Bakers to European Royality, has been found in a forgotten chamber of a Swiss Castle. (and you know the Swiss love extra good things to eat) This recipe was once used only in the baking kitchens of the Kings and Queens Castles of all of Europe and was such a well kept secret that it was lost for hundreds of years. The recipe is easy to follow and creates the finest pastry you will ever taste. Strong words, but one taste and I’m sure you’ll agree. It can be sugar free or sugar added. Either way the results are scrumptious. This marvelous pastry may be served as cookies, scone style or use any Holiday or figure dough cutter and it is very inexpensive to make ! You will be the envy of all your family and friends when you serve this delightful pastry, you may even be good to yourself and bake up a batch when no one is looking. Be fore warned these pastries will disapear in front of your eyes ! My Grandmother was invited to a luncheon where this pastry was served and she has not stopped raving about the delicious pastry that was passed to her. My Granma, being a great cook herself, was an old friend of the luncheon hostess and found out that a distant relative had sent the recipe, in a recent letter, to the hostess. You know how good cooks love to share recipes. I would like to share this recipe with you but I don't know how many of these recipes I'll be able to send so please write soon.. Make sure you send your e-mail address ! Please send $5.00 US, to cover expenses, cash or check to; Ellie Gilbert P.O.Box 970232 Coconut Creek, FL 33097 Please include your name and address and e-mail address. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 03:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:52:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: esatclear.ie!glassman From: Tony Dutcher To: Ivette Vargas Icochea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Mirrors Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:48:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I know a few of you have already replied to this, but you left out a few points. After seven years in a float glass shop, the correct way to first grind your mirror is by first grinding silvered side up at a 45 degree angle to the grinder head. This keeps the backing from chipping when you shape the glass on the grinder. Make sure the glass is perfectly clean and dry before you use any mirror sealant. We even used to use a hair dryer on the mirror. When you spray on the mirror sealant, you only need to cover the first 2 inches on the edge of the mirror. I hope this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 05:57:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 05:30:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #77 built 2000-Feb-4) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Press Release:Fenton fusing workshop Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:29:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a MIME-encapsulated message --167c5c6a-dbc7-11d3-920b-00805fea3fcf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The following press release is being forwarded by the International Guild of Glass Artists as a service to our members. It is not an endoursement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "Cathe Grieshaber", INTERNET:cgrieshaber@erols.com To: [unknown], INTERNET:events@igga.org Date: 02/04/2000 5:55 PM RE: fenton fusing press release = Studio Stained Glass 908 N White Horse Pike = Stratford, NJ 08084-1002 February 4, 2000 Following is information for an upcoming workshop to be held here at Studio Stained Glass that I would like to be listed in your News & Events column in the upcoming issue. = Please contact me if there are any problems. "Basic Fusing, Slumping and Introductory Glory Hole" A Dan Fenton 4 day Workshop, Thursday to Sunday, April 6th -9th , 10am-6pm with extended hours being held at Studio Stained Glass, 908 N. White Horse Pike, Stratford, NJ 08084, (856)784-7799. This workshop encompasses basic firing procedures, glass, mold materials, and applied finishes with an added bonus of working with the glory hole. An extensive set of notes, information and all materials provided. Fee $400.00 with a 50% deposit required with no refunds after 3 weeks prior start, credit will be given towards future workshops. Checks and credit cards accepted. For more info contact Cathe Grieshaber at Studio Stained Glass or Fenton Glass Studio, 851 81st Ave. #201, Oakland, CA 94621, (510)638-1313 www.cyberthings.com/fenton. 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09:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:56:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #78 built 2000-Feb-5) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: NG: Thanks for alumni site Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:23:57 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/4/00 7:29:12 PM, hilary@voicenet.com writes: >Hummmm, well, considering our history at school, maybe a suncatcher of >us mooning the school mascot.... That sounds more like it........ I *was* being facetious, after all! High school (and junior high, for that matter) is one place I only go back to in my Wildest Nightmares........ Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 14:11:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:00:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #78 built 2000-Feb-5) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Las Vegas Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:58:51 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Is there a web site for the Las Vegas show? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 16:37:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:18:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #78 built 2000-Feb-5) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Kauriee@aol.com, glass Subject: Re: Las Vegas Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:17:04 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Las Vegas" on Feb 5, 16:58, Kauriee@aol.com writes:] > Is there a web site for the Las Vegas show? > ---- Yes,..it's: www.glasscraftexpo.com -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 17:07:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:52:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #78 built 2000-Feb-5) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: Pat Jellison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mirrors (a question while we're on the subject) Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:49:35 -0500 Message-ID: <389CC51E.5CE943AB@ceps.nasm.edu> Precedence: bulk Since we've been on the subject of mirrors, here's a question: What's the best way to smooth/round off sharp corners of a large beveled mirror? Said mirror forms the door of a bathroom medicine cabinet. The edges of the mirror protrude past the edge of the cabinet, creating an overhang; also, when the door is open, those sharp corners are right out there, asking for someone to bump into them. (I know, I know...BAAAAD design. I didn't want them in the first place but got out-voted.) Dismounting the mirrors would be a real pain, and I don't have the grinding equipment to handle them anyhow (I'm just a hobbyist...) Can I use my Dremel moto-tool on them? Or? I just want to round those sharp 90-degree corners (unless one of you has a different and better idea of how to fix the problem!) Many thanks in advance! PJ Jellison (jellison@ceps.nasm.edu) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 5 19:27:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 19:05:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #78 built 2000-Feb-5) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: jazzykid@tir.com, glass@daver.bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass Craft Expo in Las Vegas? Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:04:24 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk You are very welcome. I'd be happy to attend / help arrange a bungi glass gab, or whatever. Richard Richard Callahan Stained Glass Las Vegas, NV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 6 04:17:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 04:06:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #78 built 2000-Feb-5) X-Path: esatclear.ie!glassman From: Tony Dutcher To: Pat Jellison , glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mirrors (a question while we're on the subject) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:53:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<389CC51E.5CE943AB@ceps.nasm.edu>> Precedence: bulk One way that we used to edge mirrors that were too big for the wet sander was by hand. What you need is a 4x7x 3/8 piece of plywood and a sheet of 220 wet/dry sandpaper. Wrap the sandpaper around the plywood and staple the reverse side. You will also need a spray bottle of water to keep the mirror and the sandpaper very wet as you are sanding. Start by taking the edge of the silvered side of the mirror by sanding the back side. Sand from the interior of the mirror (even though you are only hitting the edge) outwards, this will avoid chipping the glass. once you have the backing taken back a little you can be more aggressive with the sandpaper. It should take you about ten minutes to get a radius of a quarter, as a precaution you might want to put a sheet of contact paper over the back of the mirror just to keep you from scratching it, its really easy to do. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 6 20:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:57:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass sayings or bumper stickers Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:56:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, Some how...I have misplaced the sayings or bumper sticks that all the imaginative folks contributed..I have checked some of the archives but time flies...and can't remember what month that was. I remember receiving a list of all of the sayings from someone..Dorothy or Shirley..Was that you???. If it is possible could you please email me that list again. Thank you, Jill Medlyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 6 20:15:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:00:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Gryphon's new wire saw. Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:00:09 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Subject: Evaluation of Gryphon's New Wire Saw From: "Jeffrey Castaline" aanraku@e StainedGlass.net Date: 2/6/00 7:11 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Yesterday, Todd Vargo, Director of Sales and Marketing for the Gryphon Corporation brought their new wire saw to our studio for us to evaluate. For those who are interested in this new omnidirectional wire saw for glass, you can read our evaluation at: http://www.bayareasta inedglass.com/gryphon.htm -- Jeffrey Castaline Partner/Owner Aanraku Stained Glass 2323 S. El Camino Real San Mateo, CA 94403 Tel: (650) 372-0527 Email: aanraku@BayAreaStainedGlass.com Webpage http://www.BayAreaStained Glass.com ----------------------------------------------------------- Copied from rec.crafts.glass. I know little more. Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 6 21:11:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:46:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "jazzykid" , Subject: Re: Glass sayings or bumper stickers Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Jill, Wish I still had them, I clean my hard drive off weekly and often times get rid of things I wanted to keep. I hope someone post them, if you get it privately, would you post it to the list again, Thanks, Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: jazzykid To: Bungi Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 11:17 PM Subject: Glass sayings or bumper stickers >Hi, > >Some how...I have misplaced the sayings or bumper sticks that all the >imaginative folks contributed..I have checked some of the archives but time >flies...and can't remember what month that was. I remember receiving a list >of all of the sayings from someone..Dorothy or Shirley..Was that you???. If >it is possible could you please email me that list again. > >Thank you, > >Jill Medlyn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 6 23:09:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:37:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: "Carolyn" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: New Gryphon saw Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:55:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I tried to access the address concerning the evaluation of the new wire saw from Gryphon, but it was apparently incorrect. I tried several variations, but nothing worked. Has anyone got the correct address, or any "hands on" information concerning the new saw? Thanks in advance, Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 05:23:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:05:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: "Nadine BethSchneider" To: "Carolyn" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Gryphon saw Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Me, too! I couldn't get there from here. Nadine ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: New Gryphon saw > I tried to access the address concerning the evaluation of the new wire saw > from Gryphon, but it was apparently incorrect. I tried several variations, > but nothing worked. Has anyone got the correct address, or any "hands on" > information concerning the new saw? > Thanks in advance, > Carolyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 05:38:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:11:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: CYBERNEX.NET!tonyk From: "Tony Kuzinski" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Gryphon saw Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Carolyn, The URL for the evaluation is http://www.bayareastainedglass.com/gryphon.htm I pasted the URL into my browser so I know that it works. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:55 AM Subject: New Gryphon saw > I tried to access the address concerning the evaluation of the new wire saw > from Gryphon, but it was apparently incorrect. I tried several variations, > but nothing worked. Has anyone got the correct address, or any "hands on" > information concerning the new saw? > Thanks in advance, > Carolyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 06:11:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:54:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New Gryphon saw (reposting link) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:55:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Try this: http://www.bayareastainedglass.com/gryphon.htm Note that review is of prototype, not production model. New blades projected to cost $25 for 3 vs. around $100 each for other saws. Reviewer's conclusion: 9 on a scale of 10. Same reviewer gave Taurus Ring Saw 10 on a scale of 10. My conclusion: Reviewer must not have to pay for the blades. Brad ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nadine BethSchneider To: Carolyn Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 8:04 AM Subject: Re: New Gryphon saw > Me, too! I couldn't get there from here. > > Nadine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyn > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:55 AM > Subject: New Gryphon saw > > > > I tried to access the address concerning the evaluation of the new wire > saw > > from Gryphon, but it was apparently incorrect. I tried several variations, > > but nothing worked. Has anyone got the correct address, or any "hands on" > > information concerning the new saw? > > Thanks in advance, > > Carolyn > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 06:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 06:37:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #79 built 2000-Feb-6) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fw: Fw: Important READ,,,,,ng Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:41:50 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01BF7157.F0898120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: csteele To: anita richmond Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:43 AM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Important READ,,,,, >Date: Saturday, February 05, 2000 at 10:30:40 AM EST >From: hanauer >Subject: Fw: Important READ,,,,, >--------------------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: GARRY WINDER >To: Merrill & Jean Ann Rhodes ; Ben & Sandy Lucus ; Jack ; laura hanauer ; Winder Mom and Dad ; Geri ; Christen Hunt >Cc: Lisa Greaser ; Ron and Barbara ; Ross Fettig ; Libby Jackson >Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:20 PM >Subject: Fw: Important READ,,,,, > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brian Fettig >To: brenda winder >Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:58 PM >Subject: Fw: Important READ,,,,, > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Diane Drumm >To: ; JOAN WARWICK >Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 7:38 AM >Subject: FW: Important READ,,,,, > > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Important READ,,,,, >> > >> > Warning: >> > >> >> > Several shipments of bananas from Costa Rica have been infected with >> > necrotizing fasciitis, otherwise known as flesh eating bacteria. >Recently >> > this disease has decimated the monkey population in Costa Rica. >> > >> >> > We are now just learning that the disease has been able to graft itself >> > to the skin of fruits in the region, most notably the Banana which is >> > Costa Rica's largest export. 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Instead, I found these Murphy's laws: (my apologies for not noting who posted them eons ago) Shari ------------------------------------------ MURPHY'S LAW OF STAINED GLASS Murphy's original Law: anything that can go wrong, will Solder Law: Hot Solder looks exactly like cold solder Breakage Law The number of bad breaks you get is directly proportional to the price of the glass Breakage Law 99 The number of bad breaks is in opposite proportion to the amount of glass on hand Breakage Law 999: The number of bad breaks is proportional to the distance from your Supplier Law of Studio Geometry Any horizontal surface is soon piled up At the most difficult (or messiest) point in construction of any project, the phone will ring. The moment your hands touch lead, flux or patina, extreme hunger pains will commence. Everyone knows someone who does glass.... cheaper. One lead joint will always be left unsoldered Replacement Law: The moment you replace a lost tool with a new one, you will find the original Installation Law: The time required to install is proportional to the number of people watching There is no such thing as a clean Stained Glass Window The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the severity of the swear word used. Everything takes longer than you think Deadlines are always closer than you thought Installation Law 99: The tool you desperately need is back at the Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 08:10:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Glass Expressions" , "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ANOTHER HOAX. (Was: Fw: Important READ,,,,,ng) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This banana e-mail thing is another hoax. Please, please, please have the decency to check out this crap before you re-post it to the world. If you want verification that it's a hoax, check (among other places) the National Necrotizing Fasciitis Foundation. Url at: http://www.nnff.org/ Brad Walker ----- Original Message ----- From: Glass Expressions To: IGGA BUNGI Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: Important READ,,,,,ng > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01BF7157.F0898120 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > -----Original Message----- > From: csteele > To: anita richmond > Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:43 AM > Subject: Fwd: Fw: Important READ,,,,, > > > >Date: Saturday, February 05, 2000 at 10:30:40 AM EST > >From: hanauer > >Subject: Fw: Important READ,,,,, > >--------------------------------- > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: GARRY WINDER > >To: Merrill & Jean Ann Rhodes ; Ben & Sandy Lucus > ; Jack ; laura hanauer > ; Winder Mom and Dad ; Geri > ; Christen Hunt > >Cc: Lisa Greaser ; Ron and Barbara > ; Ross Fettig ; Libby Jackson > > >Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:20 PM > >Subject: Fw: Important READ,,,,, > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Brian Fettig > >To: brenda winder > >Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:58 PM > >Subject: Fw: Important READ,,,,, > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Diane Drumm > >To: ; JOAN WARWICK > >Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 7:38 AM > >Subject: FW: Important READ,,,,, > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: Important READ,,,,, > >> > > >> > Warning: > >> > >> > >> > Several shipments of bananas from Costa Rica have been infected with > >> > necrotizing fasciitis, otherwise known as flesh eating bacteria. > >Recently > >> > this disease has decimated the monkey population in Costa Rica. > >> > >> > >> > We are now just learning that the disease has been able to graft itself > >> > to the skin of fruits in the region, most notably the Banana which is > >> > Costa Rica's largest export. Until this finding scientist were not sure > >> > how the infection was being transmitted. > >> > >> > >> > It is advised not to purchase Bananas for the next three weeks as this > >> > is the period of time for which bananas that have been shipped to the > US > >> > with the possibility of carrying this disease. If you have eaten a > >banana in > >> the > >> > last 2-3 days and come down with a fever followed by a skin infection > >> > seek "Medical Attention"!!! > >> > >> > >> > The skin infection from necrotizing fasciitis is very painful and eats > >> > two to three centimeters of flesh per hour. Amputation is likely, death > >is > >> > possible.. > >> > >> > >> > If you are more than an hour from a medical center burning the flesh > >> > ahead of the infected area is advised to help slow the spread of the > >> > infection. > >> > >> > >> > The FDA has been reluctant to issue a country wide warning because of > >> > fear of a nationwide panic. 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glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 08:28:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:53:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: "Shay Friel" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Glass sayings or bumper stickers Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:49:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I went back to some saved mail and found these. I believe that this was the list so far. Shay Friel > > > > > > Shirley Balloch wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You bet your sweet glass... > > > > > A Glass of It's Own > > > > > Get Glassed! > > > > > Glassified > > > > > "I'd rather be scoring" > > > > > Torched. > > > > > "snaps under pressure" > > > > > > "on the cutting edge" > > > > > > "grinds with the best of 'em" > > > > > > "%$&#, foiled again!" > > > > > "Leaded be" > > > > > ... and leaded be Light. > > > > > And God saw it was good. > > > > > Curses, Foiled again. > > > > > "Glass Artists Say No to Crack!" > > > > > > > > > > Honk if you love stained glass" > > > > > "If you seek beauty, work with stained glass" > > > > > "Visualize....stained glass" > > > > > My windows can beat your windows" > > > > > /\ _________________ > > > > > / \ > > > > > \ / > > > > > / \ \ Stained Glass / > > > > > / Beauty \ \ on / > > > > > / on \ \ Board / > > > > > / Board \ \ / > > > > > /____________\ \_______/ > > > > > "View the world through stained glass" > > > > > "glassers know the score." > > > > > "glassers know how to score." > > > > > > > > > > "Get your Glass in Gear!" > > > > > > > > > > "Lead, Foil, or get out of the way!" > > > > > > > > > > "My other car is a Kiln" > > > > > > > > > > "Don't laugh, I spend my $$$ on Glass." > > > > > > > > > > "Aw flux, foiled again!" > > > > > > > > > > "To bead, or not to bead" (Shakespeare) > > > > > > > > > > "Keep your glass to the grindstone" > > > > > > > > > > "Oh, Frit...blasted again!" > > > > > > > > > > "Use Came, or Foil, Then Solder" (Caesar said it best! I came, I saw.. > > > > > well > > > > > you know) > > > > > > > > > > "Working my Glass Off!" (has a double meaning) > > > > > > > > > > "You have got to be fidding?" (Now I am killing myself!!! LOL) > > > > > > > > > > "Grozing in the Glass" song - (Grazing in the grass) > > > > > > > > > > "Got Glass?" (and we could all have little glass moustaches) > > > > > > > > > > "Super cooled liquid manipulator" (okay, a little on the egghead side) > > > > > > > > > > "Heart of Glass" (Blondie's back you know?) > > > > > > > > > > GIVE BLOOD > > > > > become a stained-glass artist > > > > > Stained Glass Artists - a cut above the rest. > > > > > The Pane ........ ohhhhh the Pane. > > > > > "Life is a multicolored Pane." > > > > > > > > > > "Life is a Pane in the Glass" > > > > > > > > > > "I look at life thru multicolored glasses" > > > > > > > > > > "If the pieces fit.....solder them!" > > > > I'd rather be scoring ..... than snoring! > > > I'd rather be leading > > > If Stained Glass was cheap and easy, everybody would be doing it!! > > "lead, foil, or get the hell out of the way!" > > "> "Lead, follow, or get the h*ll out of the way!" > I'd rather groze. (instead of score?) > If Stained Glass was cheap and easy, everybody would be doing it!! > "The Brit Chick Rules". > I'd rather groze. (instead of score?) > Stained glass is a grind. Stained glass groze on you. Geez...I'd rather score (or get lucky) anyday!! "Once you learn how to Score, Grinding and Grozing comes easy." Grozing in the Glass. ----- Original Message ----- From: jazzykid To: Bungi Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 10:56 PM Subject: Glass sayings or bumper stickers > Hi, > > Some how...I have misplaced the sayings or bumper sticks that all the > imaginative folks contributed..I have checked some of the archives but time > flies...and can't remember what month that was. I remember receiving a list > of all of the sayings from someone..Dorothy or Shirley..Was that you???. If > it is possible could you please email me that list again. > > Thank you, > > Jill Medlyn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 10:00:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:41:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Gryphon's new wire saw. Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:41:05 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > I'm curious about the number of hours of normal use you can expect from the > different saw blades. > Dee That might be hard to find. Much of the life of any blade depends on the user. Pushing to hard, cutting on the back, low coolant, etc., can make a real difference in the life of a blade. The review did not get into this except to say one could push harder with the wire blades. I tried the URL as received back from bungi and it worked fine. Not sure why others cannot bring it up but would welcome an explanation. Bob in 92026 Ps: I do wish that hoaxes like the banana thing were not sent to the list. Even if true I would not want to see it on this list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 11:05:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:45:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: spelling question for glass term Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:53:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a word? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 12:36:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:17:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: dichroic for sale: seen on rec.crafts.glass Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:13:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk i got this off the rec.crafts.glass newsgroup and thought some people might be interested. please contact the seller directly and not me. apologies for people who see this twice. regards, charlie phx, az ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: scrap dichroic glass 4 sale Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:00:56 -0500 From: "Steven M. Kaczmarek" Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Many unique textures such as: croco - glue chip - moresco - wallpaper - thin reed - spectrum water glass and baroque - ice on ice - cube - flute -everglade etc etc. There are a lot of different colors such as magenta - cyan - red - blue - yellow - etc. This glass was coated by TLC and is alllllllllllll on clear glass I did not fused any of this type of dichroic glass but used it in many flat panels of stained glass such as for borders in doors and sidelites and in hot air balloon panels. I can send a pic of example The point here is that each glass type here has its own COE of which you yourself will have to determine if you plan on fusing this dichro.On thing for sure is that it is at least compatable to itself. Like dichro everglade could be fused to plain clear everglade and on with each type of dichro. If you are using it to make kaleidoscopes - candle holders - craft items - mobiles - jewelry and jewelry boxes - sculptures etc , then this glass would work out fine The pieces are smallish and are all in various shapes of scrap. These are cut off pieces and are what that implies -all unique shapes and lengths. Sizes vary from chips to pieces that may be 6 inches long by an inch wide in places I will send you a pic of the scrap if interested and have approx 40 pounds for sale at $30 a pound or I would be interested in selling the lot for a good price I do have larger sheets and pieces but will not cut up for smaller cuts -you would have to buy the whole piece of whatever size it would be at .65 an inch I am not a wholesale outlet or a re-seller of glass but an artist that uses many different types of dichro for different purposes and occassionally sells off surplus to get more I can be contacted at 219/925-9019 or email at kacz@locl.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 12:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:17:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: colored back foil Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk i was thinking yesterday (and yes, it does hurt now) about this as i'm making a piece that has lots of mirror pieces in it. we have to spray the edges and back of mirror pieces with clear sealer, and then foil with either copper, silver, or black backed foil. why not use colored spray paint, like silver, black, or even other colors that might give an interesting affect? we could then use copper foil, and not have to pay extra for the different colored backed foil. i always have a problem with the black color melting and oozing out after soldering anyway. regards, charlie phx, az ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 12:59:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:29:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:20:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Hi group, > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > word? > Thanks in advance. Patined, and when you're doing it, you're patining. You're welcome in advance. Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 15:05:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:36:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: colored back foil Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:36:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Interesting take on using colored spray to give different effects on glass rather than the foil. The only thing that comes to mind as far as mirror goes is that the unsilvered part will show whatever color you spray. For mirror, I always use the silver-backed foil so it will look more "natural." Now, having said that...why don't you try the different colored paint on cathedral glass and/or mirror glass and let us know what you find out. One thing occurred to me would be to wonder if the colored paint would take the heat from the solder and soldering iron. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 15:08:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:48:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Subject: Re: colored back foil Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:27:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'd say: Go ahead Charlie and try it. Then let us know the results. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Spitzer, Charlie writes >i was thinking yesterday (and yes, it does hurt now) about this as i'm >making a piece that has lots of mirror pieces in it. > >we have to spray the edges and back of mirror pieces with clear sealer, and >then foil with either copper, silver, or black backed foil. why not use >colored spray paint, like silver, black, or even other colors that might >give an interesting affect? we could then use copper foil, and not have to >pay extra for the different colored backed foil. i always have a problem >with the black color melting and oozing out after soldering anyway. > >regards, >charlie >phx, az >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 15:27:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:50:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: n-link.com!patkel From: "patrick kelly" To: "Glass Expressions" , "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: title for sg project Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk We used to call it "chucking the bat", East Coast ....Baltimore Patrick Roses and Rainbows -----Original Message----- From: Glass Expressions To: IGGA BUNGI Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 7:34 AM Subject: title for sg project >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_010B_01BF715B.0D0D47C0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi to all stained glass people. 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glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 17:04:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:35:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pricing Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:24:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All... I need your input...I made a Pokemon character for a little boy that his mother works with me. Other mothers want to purchase one for their kids. How do I go about pricing these little characters? I've never sold any glass art before and I want to be fair. What rule-of-thumb do you use when pricing your products?...Since I use such a small amount of one color, how do I figure on the cost for the 2nd, 3rd etc. A lot of the glass I used was left overs. Thanks! You can e-mail me at jazz-sni@springnet1.com if you want. Linda U ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 18:07:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:38:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: balloch@netbridge.net Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:23:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi-I found this in my dictionary-hope it helps! patina (pàt´n-e, pe-tê´ne) also patine (pà-tên´) noun 1. A thin greenish layer, usually basic copper sulfate, that forms on copper or copper alloys, such as bronze, as a result of corrosion. 2. The sheen on any surface, produced by age and use. 3. A change in appearance produced by long-standing behavior, practice, or use: a face etched with a patina of fine lines and tiny wrinkles. ****OR**** patinaed (pàt´n-îd, pe-tê´nîd) adjective Having a coating, covering, or sheen; patinated. Used especially to describe the corrosive green layer that forms on copper and its alloys. Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 7 18:39:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:00:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: aol.com!LMCCDC From: LMCCDC@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: lead and pregnancy Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:55:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, Lisa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 02:35:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:19:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead and pregnancy Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 02:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc Precedence: bulk Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, Lisa ---- Hi Lisa, About the simplest answer is "don't". Lead contamination is such a potential hazard, that I'm not sure anyone should knowingly put themselves or their unborn children at any risk. It would seem rather a "zero tolerance" sort of personal issue. I can't provide you with any "first-hand" experience, as that's rather biologically impossible. But I will suggest if you really want specific recommendations and input, ask Monona Rossol, of ACTS (Art, Craft, Theater Safety), who is one of the few industrial hygienists in this county (or any country) who specializes in the area of glass safety issues. One of Monona's email addresses is: acts@caseweb.com, feel free to drop her a line. I suspect that you'll get quite a bit of input, which will boil down to "don't expose yourself to lead at all, while pregnant", and "don't expose yourself to lead even if you aren't pregnant!" Peace -Gerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 07:29:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:04:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Don Udey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:09:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Don I made some Pikachus this past holiday season. Since they were from yellow glass ,which is more costly ,I charged $18 Canadian for them . They were about 8" tall and 4" wide. I hope this helps Regards Gillian Don Udey wrote: > Hi All... > > I need your input...I made a Pokemon character for a little boy that his > mother works with me. Other mothers want to purchase one for their > kids. How do I go about pricing these little characters? I've never > sold any glass art before and I want to be fair. What rule-of-thumb do > you use when pricing your products?...Since I use such a small amount of > one color, how do I figure on the cost for the 2nd, 3rd etc. A lot of > the glass I used was left overs. Thanks! You can e-mail me at > jazz-sni@springnet1.com if you want. > > Linda U > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 09:59:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:37:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: aol.com!HILLHD1 From: HILLHD1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: removing patina Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:34:09 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Greetings All, while we are on the topic of patina...hobbiest here; have 2 panels that I would like to re frame & either remove old patina or can just reapply a new coat of patina to spruce them up & re polish everything. tia Karlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 10:05:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:48:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: colored back foil Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:45:53 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/7/00 6:06:45 PM, edupjohn@slonet.org writes: >One >thing occurred to me would be to wonder if the colored paint would take >the heat from the solder and soldering iron. I'd try spray lacquer or automotive paint, or Krylon at the very least. All of those dry to a really hard finish and are heat resistant. In fact, a local SG supplier told me a while back that commercially available "mirror edge sealant" is basically regular clear spray lacquer with a fancy name and a fancier price tag. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 12:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:54:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: LMCCDC@aol.com Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk My view (a man's view, of course!) is that you do not bring the two into contact at all until well after you have stopped feeding the child. The foetus absorbs the lead from the mother's blood stream very easily. The lead has great and bad effects. Clothing and other studio apparel brings lead into the home, so change it and wash it elsewhere. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, LMCCDC@aol.com writes >Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead >and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, > >Lisa >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 12:06:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:55:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Don Udey Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:41:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk if the glass is free, then your time is the important element. I usually price by the piece. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Don Udey writes >Hi All... > >I need your input...I made a Pokemon character for a little boy that his >mother works with me. Other mothers want to purchase one for their >kids. How do I go about pricing these little characters? I've never >sold any glass art before and I want to be fair. What rule-of-thumb do >you use when pricing your products?...Since I use such a small amount of >one color, how do I figure on the cost for the 2nd, 3rd etc. A lot of >the glass I used was left overs. Thanks! You can e-mail me at >jazz-sni@springnet1.com if you want. > > >Linda U > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 13:09:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:52:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: pat jellison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:22:37 -0500 Message-ID: <38A07B0D.CF841CDE@ceps.nasm.edu> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Are there commercial patterns for Pokemon characters for glass? If so, I'd love to have a reference to the source. PJ Jellison jellison@ceps.nasm.edu > >Hi All... > > > >I need your input...I made a Pokemon character for a little boy that his > >mother works with me. Other mothers want to purchase one for their > >kids. How do I go about pricing these little characters? I've never > >sold any glass art before and I want to be fair. What rule-of-thumb do > >you use when pricing your products?...Since I use such a small amount of > >one color, how do I figure on the cost for the 2nd, 3rd etc. A lot of > >the glass I used was left overs. Thanks! You can e-mail me at > >jazz-sni@springnet1.com if you want. > > > > > >Linda U > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 14:29:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:53:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #80 built 2000-Feb-7) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:52:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk And how do you compute your final price? I'm just a hobbyist but would like to branch out a bit and try to sell some. I'm currently working on a piece that is about 32" by 22". I've been keeping track of the amount of time I am working on it to help me when I get to trying to set a price. Do you have any kind of formula that you use to compute a selling price? Like $X * size + $X * time spent + % for profit or something like that? Just curious where to begin to figure a fair price. Sherrie Steve Richard wrote: > if the glass is free, then your time is the important element. I usually > price by the piece. > > Steve > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 15:09:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:41:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:17:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Sounds great, but I'm never sure what to charge...I've been thinking $5 per each cut piece, but is that fair? Sometimes, with complicated patterns (like butterfly wings) I feel like I'm overcharging so I feel guilty and cut the price two-thirds. Is there a good formula you use to figure prices, even approximately? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 15:28:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:42:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: LMCCDC@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 LMCCDC@aol.com wrote: > Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead > and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, > > Lisa There has been a lot written on Bungi on this very subject. I just scanned through the Bungi archives and extracted the posts on this subject. I placed the information on this web page: http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~ce323/pregnancy.txt You will find that the file contains mostly posts that Monona Rossol has made to Bungi over the years. In addition there is first hand experience from Jenna Meredith-Sanders the child of a mother who did SG and the mother of a child while she did SG. For all the expectant mothers (and future mothers) this should make informative reading. These are NOT my opinions but the opinions of others which I have extracted from the Bungi archives. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 15:28:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:03:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Stephanie N Larson Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000208.121713.-488213.1.pennyante@juno.com>> Precedence: bulk Stephanie, Remember, I am in the UK so prices don't mean the same as in the USofA. I can do a flat copper foiled piece at the rate of 4-5 pieces per hour averaged over the whole project, depending on complexity. If I have "free" glass, then it is only the labour that I need to consider. But if I am doing a number of repeats, I will not be using only scrap glass, so it must be calculated too. So here are my rules of thumb. Decide how much you want to be paid per hour (or how much you are worth) and divide that by the work rate. If you want 20 dollars per hour, then 4 -5 dollars per piece is OK for the labour. Remember your hourly rate includes overheads, heat, light, taxes, etc. I calculate the area of the piece/project and add 75% for waste. Then I average the cost of the glass and do the arithmetic to get the cost of the glass. (You will need to do this, as with several copies, the glass will no longer be scrap; you will have to get into your stock). Add these two figures together to get the price per piece. This will be a wholesale price, not a retail price. Retailers routinely add 100% to the wholesale cost. Don't undersell yourself. Also (taken from a discussion on the list last year) remember to tell your friends how much the item will cost before you start. This way, your friends can say, sorry that is too much for me just now; or great! go ahead. Saves problems later. Sometimes when doing a project for a friend, I take my material costs and overhead rate, but don't charge for labour. It is important to keep records of your work, so you can judge how much a project will cost before you start. It is after keeping records for a couple of years that I can say that I work at 4-5 pieces for flat copper foil, and 3-4 for 3-D foiled pieces. My work rate for leaded glass is about 5-6 pieces per hour. If you want painted work, it is down to about 1/2 to 1 piece per hour plus kiln time. The records should indicate the nature of the project (a drawing reference or sketch is helpful here), the area, the number of pieces, the materials used and area of glass used and scrapped, the time taken in the various stages (glass selection, pattern development, glass cutting, foiling, soldering, fininshing) and the elapsed time taken (so you can predict delivery dates in the future). Hope this is of some help. Steve In message <20000208.121713.-488213.1.pennyante@juno.com>, Stephanie N Larson writes >Sounds great, but I'm never sure what to charge...I've been thinking $5 >per each cut piece, but is that fair? Sometimes, with complicated >patterns (like butterfly wings) I feel like I'm overcharging so I feel >guilty and cut the price two-thirds. Is there a good formula you use to >figure prices, even approximately? -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 15:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:08:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:06:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I wont pretend to know half as much as Steve...but... I have my blood lead level checked 2 X's a year. I just had it checked again last week. I dont have the results of that test, but the test prior my lead level was 3. That's *low*. If that level changes to a higher number, I know that I have to take more precautions than I currently take. If it doesnt change, or it decreases, I know Im taking care of myself. They dont consider me to have anywhere near an elevated lead level, my sons lead level was higher from our living in an old house than mine is working with lead on a daily basis. If you take proper precautions, you can have a healthy pregnancy and work in Stained glass. I didnt touch it while I was pregnant. But it can be done. You have to be careful though. Just so you know, Im over protective during pregnancy, and YES I QUIT smoking. (I just KNOW there are a few people waiting to jump on that wagon) ;o) Also, Jenna Sanders might have some info for you since she recently worked and taught classes during her pregnancy with Owen. Owen is precious and healthy, btw. Suzanne de Tulsa Steve Richard wrote: > > My view (a man's view, of course!) is that you do not bring the two into > contact at all until well after you have stopped feeding the child. > The foetus absorbs the lead from the mother's blood stream very easily. > The lead has great and bad effects. Clothing and other studio apparel > brings lead into the home, so change it and wash it elsewhere. > Steve > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, LMCCDC@aol.com writes > >Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead > >and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, > > > >Lisa > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 15:51:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:46:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: HILLHD1@aol.com Subject: Re: removing patina Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I would use very fine steel wool to remove old patina and then patinate with the new colour, or leave shiny solder colour. If you do not clean the solder of the old patina, the new will not do its job properly. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, HILLHD1@aol.com writes >Greetings All, >while we are on the topic of patina...hobbiest here; have 2 panels that I >would like to re frame & either remove old patina or can just reapply a new >coat of patina to spruce them up & re polish everything. tia Karlene >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 15:53:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:53:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: esatclear.ie!glassman From: Tony Dutcher To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: removing patina Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:22:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk One way is top use a wire brush, the size used for wire brushing your house (ext.) before painting, make sure you do not do this inside you house and wear a respirator, you are making lead dust. This method works great for lead panels, but not so well on copper foil. A course steel wool will all so work. good luck, Tony Dutcher ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 16:43:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, I quoted a price for someone last year on a small panel, and promptly forgot ( lost some saved e-mail data that had her estimate on it). She contacted me about the panel and I said to her, I don't remember what price I told you. (silly me) Do you remember the price I told you? She said I think it was $90.00. I said well I am sorry but I know it would not have been that as I charge $90.00 a square foot and this is at least 2 square feet. :-) She said, yea it could have been $180.00........ don't ya just love it? I told her if the price was too high I understood maybe she can find someone to make her panel for that price. I got the job, and she is happy with her panel. Lesson: I print out all my e-mail quotes or anything I do on the computer now regarding glass. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard To: Stephanie N Larson Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pricing >Stephanie, >Remember, I am in the UK so prices don't mean the same as in the USofA. > >I can do a flat copper foiled piece at the rate of 4-5 pieces per hour >averaged over the whole project, depending on complexity. If I have >"free" glass, then it is only the labour that I need to consider. But >if I am doing a number of repeats, I will not be using only scrap glass, >so it must be calculated too. So here are my rules of thumb. > > Decide how much you want to be paid per hour (or how much you >are worth) and divide that by the work rate. If you want 20 dollars per >hour, then 4 -5 dollars per piece is OK for the labour. Remember your >hourly rate includes overheads, heat, light, taxes, etc. > I calculate the area of the piece/project and add 75% for waste. >Then I average the cost of the glass and do the arithmetic to get the >cost of the glass. (You will need to do this, as with several copies, >the glass will no longer be scrap; you will have to get into your >stock). > Add these two figures together to get the price per piece. This >will be a wholesale price, not a retail price. Retailers routinely add >100% to the wholesale cost. > Don't undersell yourself. > Also (taken from a discussion on the list last year) remember to >tell your friends how much the item will cost before you start. This >way, your friends can say, sorry that is too much for me just now; or >great! go ahead. Saves problems later. > Sometimes when doing a project for a friend, I take my material >costs and overhead rate, but don't charge for labour. > >It is important to keep records of your work, so you can judge how much >a project will cost before you start. It is after keeping records for a >couple of years that I can say that I work at 4-5 pieces for flat copper >foil, and 3-4 for 3-D foiled pieces. My work rate for leaded glass is >about 5-6 pieces per hour. If you want painted work, it is down to >about 1/2 to 1 piece per hour plus kiln time. > The records should indicate the nature of the project (a drawing >reference or sketch is helpful here), the area, the number of pieces, >the materials used and area of glass used and scrapped, the time taken >in the various stages (glass selection, pattern development, glass >cutting, foiling, soldering, fininshing) and the elapsed time taken (so >you can predict delivery dates in the future). > >Hope this is of some help. >Steve > >In message <20000208.121713.-488213.1.pennyante@juno.com>, Stephanie N >Larson writes >>Sounds great, but I'm never sure what to charge...I've been thinking $5 >>per each cut piece, but is that fair? Sometimes, with complicated >>patterns (like butterfly wings) I feel like I'm overcharging so I feel >>guilty and cut the price two-thirds. Is there a good formula you use to >>figure prices, even approximately? > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 16:49:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:20:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: old bullseye jewels to get rid of and more! Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:17:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk All orders of 5# have gone out (last went out today). I have been cleaning up a lot of "STUFF" I absolutely had to have years ago. I have many 100's of hand-made OLD Bullseye jewels and assorted pressed glass. Jewels are keyed to the dragonfly sizes. Roses, leaves (Maple), corners, and assorted experimental pressed glass. Most of these were never released to the public, or made for specific orders. It will hard/impossible to make up specific dragonfly sets, but I do have a lot of colors, some opals and some clear. There are many other uses for the jewels. Most are on patties and cut apart easily with a cutter.....no need for a saw. Also about 50 iridized scarabs from Chicago Art Glass in 2 colors and 2 sizes. E-mail me privately......I will try to have an approximate inventory and sizes and colors next week. weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 16:52:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:54:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk How nice of you Jim, thanks. I am not pregnant or plan to be at this late date, but it is good information to have as this subject comes up about every 9 months.... or so. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gonzalez To: LMCCDC@aol.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy >On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 LMCCDC@aol.com wrote: >> Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead >> and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, >> >> Lisa > >There has been a lot written on Bungi on this very subject. I just >scanned through the Bungi archives and extracted the posts on this >subject. I placed the information on this web page: > >http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~ce323/pregnancy.txt > >You will find that the file contains mostly posts that Monona Rossol has >made to Bungi over the years. In addition there is first hand >experience from Jenna Meredith-Sanders the child of a mother who did SG >and the mother of a child while she did SG. For all the expectant mothers >(and future mothers) this should make informative reading. > >These are NOT my opinions but the opinions of others which I have >extracted from the Bungi archives. > >Jim > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 16:58:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:56:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy PS Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:55:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Ps. As a mom, whose son briefly had elevated lead levels, I was terrified. If I thought it was because of something I had done for myself, not for him, I would have been devestated. His lead level was never high enough for them to feel he needed any kind of therapy. I didnt do any glass work at all during my pregnancy with him. We owned a home that was built in 1924. There was a spot I found that he liked to put his mouth. I assume it felt good on his gums. I wrapped it with cloth and tied it up with string. His lead levels immediately started dropping. We sold the house, and bought a newer one. Good luck. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 18:35:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:51:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:44:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Steve, I quoted a price for someone last year on a small panel, and promptly forgot ( lost some saved e-mail data that had her estimate on it). She contacted me about the panel and I said to her, I don't remember what price I told you. (silly me) Do you remember the price I told you? She said I think it was $90.00. I said well I am sorry but I know it would not have been that as I charge $90.00 a square foot and this is at least 2 square feet. :-) She said, yea it could have been $180.00........ don't ya just love it? I told her if the price was too high I understood maybe she can find someone to make her panel for that price. I got the job, and she is happy with her panel. Lesson: I print out all my e-mail quotes or anything I do on the computer now regarding glass. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard To: Stephanie N Larson Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pricing >Stephanie, >Remember, I am in the UK so prices don't mean the same as in the USofA. > >I can do a flat copper foiled piece at the rate of 4-5 pieces per hour >averaged over the whole project, depending on complexity. If I have >"free" glass, then it is only the labour that I need to consider. But >if I am doing a number of repeats, I will not be using only scrap glass, >so it must be calculated too. So here are my rules of thumb. > > Decide how much you want to be paid per hour (or how much you >are worth) and divide that by the work rate. If you want 20 dollars per >hour, then 4 -5 dollars per piece is OK for the labour. Remember your >hourly rate includes overheads, heat, light, taxes, etc. > I calculate the area of the piece/project and add 75% for waste. >Then I average the cost of the glass and do the arithmetic to get the >cost of the glass. (You will need to do this, as with several copies, >the glass will no longer be scrap; you will have to get into your >stock). > Add these two figures together to get the price per piece. This >will be a wholesale price, not a retail price. Retailers routinely add >100% to the wholesale cost. > Don't undersell yourself. > Also (taken from a discussion on the list last year) remember to >tell your friends how much the item will cost before you start. This >way, your friends can say, sorry that is too much for me just now; or >great! go ahead. Saves problems later. > Sometimes when doing a project for a friend, I take my material >costs and overhead rate, but don't charge for labour. > >It is important to keep records of your work, so you can judge how much >a project will cost before you start. It is after keeping records for a >couple of years that I can say that I work at 4-5 pieces for flat copper >foil, and 3-4 for 3-D foiled pieces. My work rate for leaded glass is >about 5-6 pieces per hour. If you want painted work, it is down to >about 1/2 to 1 piece per hour plus kiln time. > The records should indicate the nature of the project (a drawing >reference or sketch is helpful here), the area, the number of pieces, >the materials used and area of glass used and scrapped, the time taken >in the various stages (glass selection, pattern development, glass >cutting, foiling, soldering, fininshing) and the elapsed time taken (so >you can predict delivery dates in the future). > >Hope this is of some help. >Steve > >In message <20000208.121713.-488213.1.pennyante@juno.com>, Stephanie N >Larson writes >>Sounds great, but I'm never sure what to charge...I've been thinking $5 >>per each cut piece, but is that fair? Sometimes, with complicated >>patterns (like butterfly wings) I feel like I'm overcharging so I feel >>guilty and cut the price two-thirds. Is there a good formula you use to >>figure prices, even approximately? > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 18:47:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:20:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: old bullseye jewels to get rid of and more! Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:17:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk All orders of 5# have gone out (last went out today). I have been cleaning up a lot of "STUFF" I absolutely had to have years ago. I have many 100's of hand-made OLD Bullseye jewels and assorted pressed glass. Jewels are keyed to the dragonfly sizes. Roses, leaves (Maple), corners, and assorted experimental pressed glass. Most of these were never released to the public, or made for specific orders. It will hard/impossible to make up specific dragonfly sets, but I do have a lot of colors, some opals and some clear. There are many other uses for the jewels. Most are on patties and cut apart easily with a cutter.....no need for a saw. Also about 50 iridized scarabs from Chicago Art Glass in 2 colors and 2 sizes. E-mail me privately......I will try to have an approximate inventory and sizes and colors next week. weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 18:54:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:54:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk How nice of you Jim, thanks. I am not pregnant or plan to be at this late date, but it is good information to have as this subject comes up about every 9 months.... or so. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gonzalez To: LMCCDC@aol.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy >On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 LMCCDC@aol.com wrote: >> Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead >> and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, >> >> Lisa > >There has been a lot written on Bungi on this very subject. I just >scanned through the Bungi archives and extracted the posts on this >subject. I placed the information on this web page: > >http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~ce323/pregnancy.txt > >You will find that the file contains mostly posts that Monona Rossol has >made to Bungi over the years. In addition there is first hand >experience from Jenna Meredith-Sanders the child of a mother who did SG >and the mother of a child while she did SG. For all the expectant mothers >(and future mothers) this should make informative reading. > >These are NOT my opinions but the opinions of others which I have >extracted from the Bungi archives. > >Jim > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 19:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:56:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy PS Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:55:53 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Ps. As a mom, whose son briefly had elevated lead levels, I was terrified. If I thought it was because of something I had done for myself, not for him, I would have been devestated. His lead level was never high enough for them to feel he needed any kind of therapy. I didnt do any glass work at all during my pregnancy with him. We owned a home that was built in 1924. There was a spot I found that he liked to put his mouth. I assume it felt good on his gums. I wrapped it with cloth and tied it up with string. His lead levels immediately started dropping. We sold the house, and bought a newer one. Good luck. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 19:10:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:32:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!RIFCLAN From: RIFCLAN@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Lead free solder Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:30:41 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm new to stained glass. I've made a few windows - mostly copper foil. Before I got pregnant and had twins, I cut and ground the glass for a window ( about 450 pieces ). The babies are 7 months old and I'm still nursing them. The shop owner where I buy my supplies suggested that I use lead - free solder, however she said that it is difficult to work with. Does anyone have any experience with lead-free solder? Thanks for any advice anyone may have April ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 22:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:10:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pricing Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:42:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who gave me input on pricing my glass pieces! It was greatly appreciated! Linda U ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 23:41:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:43:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: netconnect.com.au!anniekg From: "Annie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Pokemon pictures was Pricing Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:13:36 +1100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<38A07B0D.CF841CDE@ceps.nasm.edu>> Precedence: bulk I don't know about patterns already made for glass but if you go to the www.pokemon.com site and click on the menu option "pokedex" you can get pictures and info for each little pokemon. They are very basic cartoon pictures and I don't think they would be difficult to make patterns from. Either that or Kmart (in Australia anyway) sells an absolute miriad of pokemon cartoon and sticker books. Cheers Annie ----- Original Message ----- From: pat jellison To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Pricing > Are there commercial patterns for Pokemon characters for glass? > > If so, I'd love to have a reference to the source. > > PJ Jellison > jellison@ceps.nasm.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 8 23:42:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:10:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pricing Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:42:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who gave me input on pricing my glass pieces! It was greatly appreciated! Linda U ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 00:10:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:32:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: soleim@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:13:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, There will be as many pricing methods as there are producers of stained glass art, but the square ft. method works best for me because: I find timekeeping a chore I detest, and often as a result, I don't keep time. When beginning, it will take you more time to craft a piece, than someone with more experience, so your price based on time, isn't competitive. I usually buy glass, caming, etc, by the sq. or lineal ft., and so can equate costs to the same unit of pricing. As a result. I charge for my work (except for restoration,repair), at the rate of $100./sq. ft. Plus a design charge for custom work of $8.00/ sq. ft., which covers my costs of the outside design / patterning service I use, plus a little for my time. So, using my method, assuming no design charge, I' d price it thus: 22x32=704 sq. in, devided 144 (in/sq. ft.) =4.88 sq. ft. $100/sq. ft. x 4.88 =$488.00 I try to keep it as simple as possible Richard Richard Callahan Stained Glass Las Vegas, NV ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 00:10:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:53:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: Pat Jellison To: Tony Dutcher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mirrors (a question while we're on the subject) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: <38A0BBC6.2E305B59@ceps.nasm.edu> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Tony, I just wanted to say "Thank You" for your answer to my question! I shall try your method and get those corners rounded off (and then I shall rest easier when my son brushes his teeth in front of that cabinet!). Thank you for taking the time to answer. Cheers, PJ Jellison Tony Dutcher wrote: > > One way that we used to edge mirrors that were too big for the wet > sander was by hand. What you need is a 4x7x 3/8 piece of plywood and a > sheet of 220 wet/dry sandpaper. Wrap the sandpaper around the plywood > and staple the reverse side. You will also need a spray bottle of water > to keep the mirror and the sandpaper very wet as you are sanding. Start > by taking the edge of the silvered side of the mirror by sanding the > back side. Sand from the interior of the mirror (even though you are > only hitting the edge) outwards, this will avoid chipping the glass. > once you have the backing taken back a little you can be more aggressive > with the sandpaper. It should take you about ten minutes to get a radius > of a quarter, as a precaution you might want to put a sheet of contact > paper over the back of the mirror just to keep you from scratching it, > its really easy to do. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 03:37:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 03:31:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tony Dutcher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: removing patina Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:30:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk A green scubby works for me, and wont scratch your glass. Suzanne Tony Dutcher wrote: > > One way is top use a wire brush, the size used for wire brushing your house > (ext.) before painting, make sure you do not do this inside you house and wear > a respirator, you are making lead dust. This method works great for lead > panels, but not so well on copper foil. A course steel wool will all so work. > good luck, > Tony Dutcher > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 07:02:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:44:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: erols.com!deethom From: Dee Thompson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: removing patina Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 09:40:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000209094028.00904284@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk Yes, yes on those scrubbies! I get 'em by the BIG bag. Dee At 07:30 PM 2/8/00 -0600, you wrote: >A green scubby works for me, and wont scratch your glass. > >Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 08:03:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:53:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: for the birds Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:51:46 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Heres something you won't see or hear about everyday: I was just getting a piece of glass from my bins and low and behold a bird had done its duty on the glass,probably in transport from the distributor.But here is the kicker,it had actually eaten into and etched the glass where ever it had touched.It was as if someone had poured acid onto the glass.What are we feeding these guys????!!!!Thought you might get a kick out of this it sure through me for a loop. Beveler4 (Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 08:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:02:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: arvotek.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pokemon pictures was Pricing Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk There is one thing that I have not seen in this discussion and that is the copyright issue of producing and selling something that is so hotly desirable as this pokemon phenom. I had heard of a case where someone was making Disney characters and had to stop because they had a law suit slapped on them, by Disney for selling unlicensed merchandise. I would think that the same would be true in this case. My understanding is that it is ok to make 'one' for your own use but to make for others and especially if selling is a big no no. GlasDesign at one time, had a pattern book out call "Mickey and Friends" which contained 40 patterns of Disney characters. It clearly states on the back, and I quote, "All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of the copyright owner, with exception of reproduction of the pattern for personal use only." --Copyright Disney-- You might say who would know, but these corporations have eyes everywhere protecting their interests and remember that this is an open forum! We all like to protect our designs so in my opinion we must respect others. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Wayne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 09:13:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:04:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re: pricing Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:36:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks so much for the input, guys. You all seem to agree on pricing "structures" helping to keep pricing simple. I will definitely be applying those to my future projects and, yes, I'll try not to feel guilty about earning my worth!!! Thanks again! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 09:32:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: pat jellison To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Pokemon pictures was Pricing Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: <38A1A1A9.E1BFF218@ceps.nasm.edu> Precedence: bulk Thank you, Wayne. This is the issue that I've been concerned about with regard to selling such things, but I'd been mulling over how to bring it up gently. It seems to me that the issue is not just whether you get caught, but in doing what is right and refraining from doing what is wrong, ethically or legally. In my humble opinion it matters not a whit whether the copyright holder is a mega-corporation or an individual artist -- it is still their intellectual property. (That's why I asked if there were commercial patterns available, i.e. licensed ones that I could legally/ethically use in this way.) I've fought this battle over and over with musicians that I work with, who are addicted to photocopying music. They say things like,"but it's for the church" and I say, "all the more reason to take the moral high ground." In both music and SG art, it's the right thing to do, uncomfortable and nuisance though it may be. Peace! Humbly, PJ Jellison > > Wayne Parks wrote: > > > > There is one thing that I have not seen in this discussion and that is > > the copyright issue of producing and selling something that is so hotly > > desirable as this pokemon phenom. I had heard of a case where someone > > was making Disney characters and had to stop because they had a law suit > > slapped on them, by Disney for selling unlicensed merchandise. I would > > think that the same would be true in this case. My understanding is that > > it is ok to make 'one' for your own use but to make for others and > > especially if selling is a big no no. > > GlasDesign at one time, had a pattern book out call "Mickey and Friends" > > which contained 40 patterns of Disney characters. It clearly states on > > the back, and I quote, "All rights reserved. No part of this publication > > may be reproduced, stored or transmitted in any form or by any means, > > electronic, mechanical, recording or otherwise, without the prior > > permission of the copyright owner, with exception of reproduction of the > > pattern for personal use only." --Copyright Disney-- > > You might say who would know, but these corporations have eyes > > everywhere protecting their interests and remember that this is an open > > forum! We all like to protect our designs so in my opinion we must > > respect others. Just my 2 cents worth. > > Regards, > > Wayne > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 09:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:22:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: RIFCLAN@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead free solder Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:29:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi I've used lead-free solder when I make a bowl especially. It is tricky because it needs a hotter iron then 60/40. At the moment I am using a 900 degree tip on my iron,but that isn't really hot enough because the solder freezes up before I can smooth it out sometimes. It is just more time consuming tan 60/40 .So perhaps I should get a hotter tip for my iron hmmmmm. Regards Gillian RIFCLAN@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to stained glass. I've made a few windows - mostly copper foil. > Before I got pregnant and had twins, I cut and ground the glass for a window > ( about 450 pieces ). The babies are 7 months old and I'm still nursing > them. The shop owner where I buy my supplies suggested that I use lead - free > solder, however she said that it is difficult to work with. Does anyone have > any experience with lead-free solder? > Thanks for any advice anyone may have > April > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 09:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:29:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:32:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Linda People try to take advantage of naivete sometimes don't they? That has happened to me ,so now I make sure I have pen and paper when talking price,even if its the back of a receipt,and then I enter it into my work book. Regards Gillian Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Steve, > > I quoted a price for someone last year on a small panel, and promptly forgot > ( lost some saved e-mail data that had her estimate on it). She contacted > me about the panel and I said to her, I don't remember what price I told > you. (silly me) Do you remember the price I told you? She said I think it > was $90.00. I said well I am sorry but I know it would not have been that > as I charge $90.00 a square foot and this is at least 2 square feet. :-) > She said, yea it could have been $180.00........ don't ya just love it? I > told her if the price was too high I understood maybe she can find someone > to make her panel for that price. I got the job, and she is happy with her > panel. > > Lesson: I print out all my e-mail quotes or anything I do on the computer > now regarding glass. > > Linda Jo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Richard > To: Stephanie N Larson > Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: Pricing > > >Stephanie, > >Remember, I am in the UK so prices don't mean the same as in the USofA. > > > >I can do a flat copper foiled piece at the rate of 4-5 pieces per hour > >averaged over the whole project, depending on complexity. If I have > >"free" glass, then it is only the labour that I need to consider. But > >if I am doing a number of repeats, I will not be using only scrap glass, > >so it must be calculated too. So here are my rules of thumb. > > > > Decide how much you want to be paid per hour (or how much you > >are worth) and divide that by the work rate. If you want 20 dollars per > >hour, then 4 -5 dollars per piece is OK for the labour. Remember your > >hourly rate includes overheads, heat, light, taxes, etc. > > I calculate the area of the piece/project and add 75% for waste. > >Then I average the cost of the glass and do the arithmetic to get the > >cost of the glass. (You will need to do this, as with several copies, > >the glass will no longer be scrap; you will have to get into your > >stock). > > Add these two figures together to get the price per piece. This > >will be a wholesale price, not a retail price. Retailers routinely add > >100% to the wholesale cost. > > Don't undersell yourself. > > Also (taken from a discussion on the list last year) remember to > >tell your friends how much the item will cost before you start. This > >way, your friends can say, sorry that is too much for me just now; or > >great! go ahead. Saves problems later. > > Sometimes when doing a project for a friend, I take my material > >costs and overhead rate, but don't charge for labour. > > > >It is important to keep records of your work, so you can judge how much > >a project will cost before you start. It is after keeping records for a > >couple of years that I can say that I work at 4-5 pieces for flat copper > >foil, and 3-4 for 3-D foiled pieces. My work rate for leaded glass is > >about 5-6 pieces per hour. If you want painted work, it is down to > >about 1/2 to 1 piece per hour plus kiln time. > > The records should indicate the nature of the project (a drawing > >reference or sketch is helpful here), the area, the number of pieces, > >the materials used and area of glass used and scrapped, the time taken > >in the various stages (glass selection, pattern development, glass > >cutting, foiling, soldering, fininshing) and the elapsed time taken (so > >you can predict delivery dates in the future). > > > >Hope this is of some help. > >Steve > > > >In message <20000208.121713.-488213.1.pennyante@juno.com>, Stephanie N > >Larson writes > >>Sounds great, but I'm never sure what to charge...I've been thinking $5 > >>per each cut piece, but is that fair? Sometimes, with complicated > >>patterns (like butterfly wings) I feel like I'm overcharging so I feel > >>guilty and cut the price two-thirds. Is there a good formula you use to > >>figure prices, even approximately? > > > >-- > >Steve Richard > >Verrier Art Glass Ltd > >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 10:02:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:36:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 10:26 09/02/00 -0500, Wayne wrote: >There is one thing that I have not seen in this discussion and that is >the copyright issue of producing and selling something that is so hotly >desirable as this pokemon phenom. I had heard of a case where someone >was making Disney characters and had to stop because they had a law suit >slapped on them, by Disney for selling unlicensed merchandise. Yes Disney have their spies everywhere - even over here! One of my customers was decorating mirrors with painted (imitation) stained glass cartoon characters and her best sellers were disney characters. She only sold through one small gift shop - probably 3 or 4 a week maximum. But she was contacted by Disney and threatened with a law suit - the alternative to stopping using their cartoon figures was to pay them several thousand pounds a year for a licence to make a relatively small number of mirrors - a few hundred items if I recell correctly. Needless to say she switched to inventing her own characters instead. But how the heck did they find out? Regards Elizabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 10:17:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:02:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Pokemon pictures Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:26:04 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <200002091727.LAA22910@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Thanks, Wayne. I was surprised nobody had raised the copyright issue and was about to do so myself. You did a better job of it than I would have. 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---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 10:46:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:27:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: for the birds Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:26:11 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/9/00 11:03:41 AM, Beveler4@aol.com writes: >a bird had done its duty on the glass, [...] >here is the kicker,it had actually eaten into and etched the glass where >ever it had touched. It was as if someone had poured acid onto the glass. What >are we feeding these guys????!!!! Nothing out of the ordinary...... but consider that your stomach produces a hydrochloric acid solution strong enough to burn ulcers in your gut if you're unlucky enough to get infected with that nasty H. pylori bacteria (which interferes with your stomach lining's ability to produce its protective coating), and a bird's does too. I've seen rot spots from "bird bombs" on the finish of old cars, for instance - and then there was my family's old cotton canvas tent that got nailed good by blue jays during the height of blackberry season one summer in northern California. Too many blackberries also do the same thing to birds as they do to people :-\ Not only did we never get the big purple stains out of the fabric, but eventually the fabric disintegrated under the stains. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 10:53:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:28:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy PS Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:26:19 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/8/00 7:59:00 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >We owned a home that was built in 1924. There was a spot I found that >he liked to put his mouth. I assume it felt good on his gums. I >wrapped it with cloth and tied it up with string. His lead levels >immediately started dropping. Lucky young man to have such a smart mom! Friends of one of my brothers back in the 70s didn't catch on as quickly, and their baby daughter ended up with facial deformities in addition to brain damage. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 11:06:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:41:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: NG...... is bungi stuttering? Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:39:15 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Over the last 3 days or so I've been getting 2 copies of about half my bungi mail. Is this happening to anyone else? Sparks (not paying by the minute, but concerned about those who are) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 11:23:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:53:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: appleonline.net!anne-walker From: anne walker To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: corner lead Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:40:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I want to make a lantern using corner or double lead rather than copper foil as I think this will make it stronger and neater. However I cannot find anyone who has used it before - although have heard that the glass needs to be bevelled in order for the 2 pieces of glass to meet in the corner. Any advice please? (Would I have to use a special beveller? - I only have a grinder). Annie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 11:41:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Wayne Parks" , Subject: Re: Pokemon pictures Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:06:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Wayne, It has been talked about a lot, probably before you joined the list maybe. Yes copyright is important, and folks should be very careful when copying copyrighted artwork. I don't know if Walter is still on the list, I havne't heard from him in a long time, but he used to have a retail glass store and had made a copy of the Florida Gators logo and put it in a stepping stone. He got a visit one day from someone that suggested if he didn't want a lawsuit for copywrite infringement, he had best cease and desist using the logo without permission from the Universeity and NCAA, or the University of Florida will sue. Walter said that he didn't have the time or money to fight a lawsuit. So we have to be careful. I know that Disney and the NFL, CocaCola are very proactive in suing people that infringe on their copywrites. People pay them big bucks to use those images and they don't take kindly to people just borrowing them. I just don't care to take that chance. The money for attorneys spent defending ones self could buy a lot of glass. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Parks To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: Re: Pokemon pictures was Pricing >There is one thing that I have not seen in this discussion and that is >the copyright issue of producing and selling something that is so hotly >desirable as this pokemon phenom. I had heard of a case where someone >was making Disney characters and had to stop because they had a law suit >slapped on them, by Disney for selling unlicensed merchandise. I would >think that the same would be true in this case. My understanding is that >it is ok to make 'one' for your own use but to make for others and >especially if selling is a big no no. >GlasDesign at one time, had a pattern book out call "Mickey and Friends" >which contained 40 patterns of Disney characters. It clearly states on >the back, and I quote, "All rights reserved. No part of this publication >may be reproduced, stored or transmitted in any form or by any means, >electronic, mechanical, recording or otherwise, without the prior >permission of the copyright owner, with exception of reproduction of the >pattern for personal use only." --Copyright Disney-- >You might say who would know, but these corporations have eyes >everywhere protecting their interests and remember that this is an open >forum! We all like to protect our designs so in my opinion we must >respect others. Just my 2 cents worth. >Regards, >Wayne > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 11:44:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:02:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Richard, I have kept track every way under the sun over the years. One time I even kept a pad and stop watch to keep exact track of my time. Exact cost of the glass for a particular piece, all the foil I used, all the solder and so on. And you are right it is a pain, but it was a good exercise for me when I first started out to know what I was putting into a piece. Like you I now charge $90.00 a square foot. And if it is going to be complex, take a lot of art time, a lot of bevels then I adjust accordingly. And I never lower my price. I think my time and expertise is worth the price I give it. My department store doesn't negotiate a price on a dress if I ask. You being in Las Vegas, I am sure there is a lot more money floating around there, than here in north east Florida. When I get out to Vegas, I will for sure stop in a meet you. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Rbytl@aol.com To: soleim@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU ; glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 3:19 AM Subject: Re: Pricing >Hi, > >There will be as many pricing methods as there are producers of stained glass >art, but the square ft. method works best for me because: > I find timekeeping a chore I detest, and often as a result, I don't >keep time. > > When beginning, it will take you more time to craft a piece, than >someone with more experience, so your price based on time, isn't >competitive. > > I usually buy glass, caming, etc, by the sq. or lineal ft., and so >can equate costs > to the same unit of pricing. > >As a result. I charge for my work (except for restoration,repair), at the >rate of $100./sq. ft. Plus a design charge for custom work of $8.00/ sq. ft., >which covers my costs of the outside design / patterning service I use, plus >a little for my time. > >So, using my method, assuming no design charge, I' d price it thus: > >22x32=704 sq. in, devided 144 (in/sq. ft.) =4.88 sq. ft. > >$100/sq. ft. x 4.88 =$488.00 > >I try to keep it as simple as possible > >Richard >Richard Callahan Stained Glass >Las Vegas, NV >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 11:54:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:04:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: , Subject: Re: for the birds Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Stan, Wow, guess that bird poop is some caustic stuff. It does take paint off cars if you leave it on. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Beveler4@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: for the birds >Heres something you won't see or hear about everyday: >I was just getting a piece of glass from my bins and low and behold a bird had done its duty on the glass,probably in transport from the distributor.But here is the kicker,it had actually eaten into and etched the glass where ever it had touched.It was as if someone had poured acid onto the glass.What are we feeding these guys????!!!!Thought you might get a kick out of this it sure through me for a loop. Beveler4 (Stan) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 13:18:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:13:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: POBox.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@POBox.com To: Witchdoc3@aol.com,glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: NG...... is bungi stuttering? Date: 09 Feb 2000 16:13:22 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Sparks! I'm getting all my bungi messages double for about a week. Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com Nadine's Folly Art Glass 703.724.7489 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 13:33:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:24:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:54:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk On the same subject, I have a friend who owns a small costume rental shop, about 15 miles away from Disneyland. She had a "purple dinosaur" and an "oversized Mouse & Mousette". Both costumes were deliberately a ittle different than the famous characters. She rented them for private backyard children's parties only, and they went out maybe 5-7 times a summer. Within 2-3 months, she got "cease and desist" letters from both Barney and Disney, and had to sell the costumes immediately. Others in the immdiate area have rented the same costumes out for years and never heard a thing. You never can tell...you may get away with it for a while, but who knows when you'll get caught! For reasons of self-preservation (ok, and even a few ethics), I make it a point not to sell anything I know is copyrighted, but I have made a few Disney characters for friends as gifts. More than a few of these work at Disney. They always say I should sell these...I just laugh. Being within 25 miles of Disneyland, the market is so saturated with legal & illegal Disneyana, I don't think I could compete, even if I wanted to! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 14:03:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:55:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: business question Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:04:10 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, I am thinking about being able to accept credit cards. I get spam all the time about it. But I don't trust spam of any type. Where do I go to apply and how much does it cost? What are the pitfalls? What should I try to avoid? And is it really worth going for? And is there a set min. dollar sales in a certain time frame? I mean I am really talking small sales here. And maybe some months no sales at all. Thanks in advance, Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 15:03:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:53:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: netconnect.com.au!anniekg From: "Annie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:49:39 +1100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk http://www.pokemon.com/goods/projectstudio.html I apologise for raising the copywrite issue in regards to pokemon. I do believe strongly in artistic rights when it comes to these sort of things. I made the mistake of connecting the original question in regards to making a one off for a friend (or a two off as the case may be) instead of realising it was for commercial use. Only a lesser offence I know, maybe the heat down here is getting to me (114 or 45 degrees in the shade on my back porch yesterday and we have electricity strikes which means no airconditioners). I went back and checked out the pokemon site and the link above takes you to a licenced product by Nintendo called project studio which gives you all the stuff you need to make pokemon goodies. It allows you to make stickers and necklaces and all sorts of other stuff. I would imagine only for personal use of course. Apologies again. Cheers Anne PS: Could someone please send some of that cooler weather your all talking about south of the equator. :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 15:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:16:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: business question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:47:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk You know, I set up a credit card system for this place I used to work. Unless you use them quite a bit, they can be expensive. First they charge you a percentage based on your $$$ sales (higher if your credit sales are less than a certain amount) plus a "per charge slip" fee, plus a fee for every authorization you get. If you will be doing less than $500 or more per month, it may not be worth it. Give your bank a call; they most likely handle Mastercard and Visa and can send you some information. If not, they can surely refer you to someone reputable. We signed up through Wells Fargo; Union Bank wouldn't handle small sales, only larger accounts with swiping machines, etc., and over something like $1500/month. It's been a while; I don't remember the exact amounts, but Wells Fargo charged something like 4.5% plus all the other fees. Good Luck. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 15:32:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:20:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Rbytl@aol.com Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I wish I could get 62.50 UK pounds for each square foot. It must be a lot better in the USofA Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Rbytl@aol.com writes ...cut........ >As a result. I charge for my work (except for restoration,repair), at the >rate of $100./sq. ft. Plus a design charge for custom work of $8.00/ sq. ft., >which covers my costs of the outside design / patterning service I use, plus >a little for my time. > >So, using my method, assuming no design charge, I' d price it thus: > >22x32=704 sq. in, devided 144 (in/sq. ft.) =4.88 sq. ft. > >$100/sq. ft. x 4.88 =$488.00 > >I try to keep it as simple as possible > >Richard >Richard Callahan Stained Glass >Las Vegas, NV >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 15:49:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:20:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Shirley Balloch" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: business question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:09:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk Have you lost many/any sales that would have gone through? Do you enjoy paying an extra 3-5% to the cc company? Would you like to be risk for the purchaser being able to charge back the sale for any reason? What is the incentive to "accept a card"? Will you sell out of your home or on the road or both? Do you have many customers seeking you out personally? Do you like waiting for your money? Do you like EVEN more paperwork...most paper too rough and not absorbent enough to use for $#@wiping. IMHO opinion is more of headache than it is worth.....and I GUESS my meager products do sell for a little bit more than yours, and I have NEVER felt a need to "do" CCs. I explain the easy credit payment plan........100% down and no easy additional or time payments or interest. I HOWEVER, live by my CC's and rarely pay by check or cash! I also have NEVER paid interest and have gotten at least 15 FREE (yes free if you pay off the card in full EVERY time) flights. I have also charged back stuff and or orders that I was not satisfied with.....sure gets the merchant's attention! One cc company offered me $15,000 to what ever I wanted with the money with NO cash advance fee, points, no other fees and 30/45 days grace to repay. I bought a 30 day deposit in my savings account and made about $80.00 in interest......CC offered it to me for a SECOND time and I did it again! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 15:57:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:22:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:15:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Annie, I don't think any apology is necessary, I think the discussion is of real value. It is always good to talk about this stuff, as every time a subject comes up we all learn something. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Annie To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon >http://www.pokemon.com/goods/projectstudio.html > >I apologise for raising the copywrite issue in regards to pokemon. I do >believe strongly in artistic rights when it comes to these sort of things. >I made the mistake of connecting the original question in regards to making >a one off for a friend (or a two off as the case may be) instead of >realising it was for commercial use. Only a lesser offence I know, maybe >the heat down here is getting to me (114 or 45 degrees in the shade on my >back porch yesterday and we have electricity strikes which means no >airconditioners). I went back and checked out the pokemon site and the link >above takes you to a licenced product by Nintendo called project studio >which gives you all the stuff you need to make pokemon goodies. It allows >you to make stickers and necklaces and all sorts of other stuff. I would >imagine only for personal use of course. > >Apologies again. > >Cheers > >Anne > >PS: Could someone please send some of that cooler weather your all talking >about south of the equator. :) > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 16:04:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:55:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@intrastar.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: another business question Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:38:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi group, Howard brought up a good point. With credit cards the customer can return the purchase for any reason. So I mainly want this for ebay sales. Do any of you have info/advice on paypal and x.com type payment plans? I really don't understand: How the service can be free and How can they afford to pay you to join and pay you to get others to join. And to me this feels like another spam. On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. Thanks in advance, Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 16:33:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:03:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: hotmail.com!rQkpe4SD6 From: rQkpe4SD6@hotmail.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed Feb 9 16:02:10 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk LAST WILL & TESTAMENT KIT ONLY $3.95 Includes Complete Resale and Reprint Rights. Look around you. What do you see? Worldly Possessions, Valuable Assets, Current Business Projects, Bank Accounts, Your Car. What about you're favorite necklace or your lucky golf clubs. Or important things someone should know. Final wishes? Or the location of important papers. 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Clermont St. #1-204 Denver, Co. 80246 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 16:34:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:16:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:12:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk I totally agree! Very good information to have and very appropriate to the discussion. Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > Annie, > I don't think any apology is necessary, I think the discussion is of real > value. It is always good to talk about this stuff, as every time a subject > comes up we all learn something. > Linda Jo > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 17:28:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:18:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!GlasLdy From: GlasLdy@aol.com To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: another business question Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:15:12 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I sell quite a bit on eBay and I don't accept credit cards, so I tell all my customers they could use Bidpay. www.bidpay.com A person can go there with their credit card and purchase a money order written to me for a $5.00 fee. Bidpay notifies me when their credit card is accepted (usually within an hour). That is when I can ship their purchase. Bidpay mails the money order to me usually that night. They tell me that soon they will have a button to put on your site. I have never been disappointed with them. I have also used them to purchase items with no problems. I just found another company whom I have never dealt with, but this almost sounds better-- www.paypal.com If you register your CC with them, anyone can buy from you with a CC and it is free. When they make the purchase the money goes directly into your CC account. Now with this one it doesn't have to be an auction, you can send any amount to anyone for any reason. I just went to the paypal site and registered my CC and now if anyone here uses it I would appreciate you using the URL below...I get $10. and I just got $10. for registering. All money exchanged goes into your account immediately. https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=glasldy%40aol.com Thanks, Janice ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 17:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:43:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to verb it in the past tense. To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Balloch To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: spelling question for glass term > Hi group, > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > word? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 18:06:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: "Family Account" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: NG where to check things out Re: Fw: Important READ,,,,,ng Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:35:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk One of my favoite sites to check these things is: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com It's always fascinating reading, in any case. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 19:07:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:55:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: NG...... is bungi stuttering? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 21:55:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Nope - not a bit of it. Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > Over the last 3 days or so I've been getting 2 copies of about half my bungi > mail. Is this happening to anyone else? > > Sparks > (not paying by the minute, but concerned about those who are) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 19:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:25:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [Fwd: another business question] Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:24:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Never seen any evaluations of these sites but it is a similar thing to what shareware software developers use - like Kangi (sp?) and Digital River who handle the sales for thousands of little guys. Interesting. - Cecily GlasLdy@aol.com wrote: > I sell quite a bit on eBay and I don't accept credit cards, so I tell all my > customers they could use Bidpay. www.bidpay.com > A person can go there with their credit card and purchase a money order > written to me for a $5.00 fee. Bidpay notifies me when their credit card is > accepted (usually within an hour). That is when I can ship their purchase. > Bidpay mails the money order to me usually that night. They tell me that > soon they will have a button to put on your site. I have never been > disappointed with them. I have also used them to purchase items with no > problems. > > I just found another company whom I have never dealt with, but this almost > sounds better-- www.paypal.com If you register your CC with them, anyone > can buy from you with a CC and it is free. When they make the purchase the > money goes directly into your CC account. Now with this one it doesn't have > to be an auction, you can send any amount to anyone for any reason. I just > went to the paypal site and registered my CC and now if anyone here uses it I > would appreciate you using the URL below...I get $10. and I just got $10. for > registering. All money exchanged goes into your account immediately. > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=glasldy%40aol.com > Thanks, > Janice > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 9 20:39:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term [ng] Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Verbing a noun is a gerund. But seriously, the English language has grown because of it's ability to be flexible and to take a new idea and turn it into the requisite parts of speech. And since you are inventing, do it your way - after all the dictionaries follow, they don't lead. So, does patinaed or patined look better? I wonder if the Americans pick the latter and the UKers (how's that for inventing?) pick the former? - Cec who is just playing. (Is Brits less offensive than UKers? Is Brits offensive at all?) Family Account wrote: > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > verb it in the past tense. > > To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:53 PM > Subject: spelling question for glass term > > > Hi group, > > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > > word? > > Thanks in advance. > > Shirley B > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 02:36:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term [ng] Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Verbing a noun is a gerund. But seriously, the English language has grown because of it's ability to be flexible and to take a new idea and turn it into the requisite parts of speech. And since you are inventing, do it your way - after all the dictionaries follow, they don't lead. So, does patinaed or patined look better? I wonder if the Americans pick the latter and the UKers (how's that for inventing?) pick the former? - Cec who is just playing. (Is Brits less offensive than UKers? Is Brits offensive at all?) Family Account wrote: > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > verb it in the past tense. > > To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:53 PM > Subject: spelling question for glass term > > > Hi group, > > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > > word? > > Thanks in advance. > > Shirley B > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 02:37:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:22:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Tracy Reitmann To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:16:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I don't know that much either, but I completely stayed away from it while I was pregnant (btw, I delivered Tyler last Thursday, a bouncing baby boy and cute as a button!). I'm feeding him breastmilk so I'm going to be staying away from it still until the breastmilk feeding stops. I know there are precautions you can take, and I read up on what I could find, but what convinced me not to even try was the fact that lead affects the development of the brain, in a fetus or a child, and I didn't want to take any chances with that kind of thing. When I first found out I was pregnant I had my lead level checked at the doc's office...the results came back "under 3." To keep myself busy, though, I designed some pieces that I want to make in the future, so at least I was still doing "something" with stained glass. Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > I wont pretend to know half as much as Steve...but... > > I have my blood lead level checked 2 X's a year. I just had it checked > again last week. I dont have the results of that test, but the test > prior my lead level was 3. That's *low*. > > If that level changes to a higher number, I know that I have to take > more precautions than I currently take. If it doesnt change, or it > decreases, I know Im taking care of myself. > > They dont consider me to have anywhere near an elevated lead level, my > sons lead level was higher from our living in an old house than mine is > working with lead on a daily basis. > > If you take proper precautions, you can have a healthy pregnancy and > work in Stained glass. I didnt touch it while I was pregnant. But it > can be done. You have to be careful though. > > Just so you know, Im over protective during pregnancy, and YES I QUIT > smoking. (I just KNOW there are a few people waiting to jump on that > wagon) ;o) > > Also, Jenna Sanders might have some info for you since she recently > worked and taught classes during her pregnancy with Owen. Owen is > precious and healthy, btw. > > Suzanne de Tulsa > > Steve Richard wrote: > > > > My view (a man's view, of course!) is that you do not bring the two into > > contact at all until well after you have stopped feeding the child. > > The foetus absorbs the lead from the mother's blood stream very easily. > > The lead has great and bad effects. Clothing and other studio apparel > > brings lead into the home, so change it and wash it elsewhere. > > Steve > > In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, LMCCDC@aol.com writes > > >Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead > > >and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, > > > > > >Lisa > > >---- > > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > -- > > Steve Richard > > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 02:50:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:05:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: another business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:04:43 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, balloch@netbridge.net writes: > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking credit cards. IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! Bob in 92026 Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 02:53:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:11:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: springnet1.com!jazz-sni From: Don Udey To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: copyright Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:11:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Group... I'm the culprit that brought up charging for a pokemon. I knew before I made one that I needed a copyright to duplicate. The main reason I made it was for the challenge...to see if I could actually do it from a picture...knowing where to make the cuts, etc. I personally think it looked pretty horrible once I got it completed...looked like a yellow blob with a lot of solder! Anyway, I had some mothers ask me about them and I explained to them I couldn't because of the copyright. I used it as an example when I asked you'ens, "bungi group" how to price it. I thought that way we would all be talking about the same piece to price, and I could get a better understanding on how you arrived at your price. Sorry for all the confusion. If the shoe was on the other foot, I wouldn't want someone taking my ideas either! Linda U ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 09:11:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:40:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:08:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob I don't think that I've lost sales for not taking credit cards. In fact last November, a lady braved the local Santa Claus parade to get to an Atm for cash to pay for an item she wanted from me! I thought I wouldn't see her again but she made it back and paid cash for her purchase. I was taken aback. But I don't think I like the idea of 4% off the top of my prices. Gillian Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > balloch@netbridge.net writes: > > > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > > Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which > makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking > credit cards. > > IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > > Bob in 92026 > > Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 09:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:44:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Bronya751 From: Bronya751@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bf.ebb4cc.25d4218b_boundary" Subject: take me off your lists Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:13:31 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_bf.ebb4cc.25d4218b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please do not send me anymore information --part1_bf.ebb4cc.25d4218b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 05:37:11 1900 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 05:36:57 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term [ng] Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Verbing a noun is a gerund. But seriously, the English language has grown because of it's ability to be flexible and to take a new idea and turn it into the requisite parts of speech. And since you are inventing, do it your way - after all the dictionaries follow, they don't lead. So, does patinaed or patined look better? I wonder if the Americans pick the latter and the UKers (how's that for inventing?) pick the former? - Cec who is just playing. (Is Brits less offensive than UKers? Is Brits offensive at all?) Family Account wrote: > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > verb it in the past tense. > > To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:53 PM > Subject: spelling question for glass term > > > Hi group, > > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > > word? > > Thanks in advance. > > Shirley B > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_bf.ebb4cc.25d4218b_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 09:41:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:33:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:32:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Congratulations on your little angel! I agree with you. It isn't worth the risk. Even taking all the precautions you can imagine there is still a risk. Tracy Reitmann wrote: > I don't know that much either, but I completely stayed away > from it while I was pregnant (btw, I delivered Tyler last > Thursday, a bouncing baby boy and cute as a button!). I'm > feeding him breastmilk so I'm going to be staying away from > it still until the breastmilk feeding stops. I know there > are precautions you can take, and I read up on what I could > find, but what convinced me not to even try was the fact > that lead affects the development of the brain, in a fetus > or a child, and I didn't want to take any chances with that > kind of thing. When I first found out I was pregnant I had > my lead level checked at the doc's office...the results came > back "under 3." To keep myself busy, though, I designed > some pieces that I want to make in the future, so at least I > was still doing "something" with stained glass. > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 09:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:06:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley, I was a bit reluctant to accept CC in the begining but finally gave in. you have to shop around for one with good rates ( 1.25 is pretty good ) Then there is the machine itself. I rent mine on a four year contract for $34.99 per month wich includes insurance. About 1/3 of my sales are on CC about $3000.00 per month so for me it is well worth it. I figure those are sales I might not have if I didn't accpet CC. By the way be sure to bring your Visa or Master Card Because at Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. we don't take American Express. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. 14115 West Colonial Dr. Winter Garden, FL 34787 407-905-9594 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 09:54:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:07:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:05:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Family Account wrote: > > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > verb it in the past tense. > > To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! None of the above is true. Check your Webster's--and other sources for current usage--reference.com has a whole slew of them. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 10:11:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:08:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Press Release:ACC Craft Shows 2000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following press release is provided as a service to the IGGA members. It is not an endorsement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director ------------------------------------------------------ Applications Available for Sarasota & Charlotte ACC Craft Shows 2000 The American Craft Council has announced that applications are available for its winter 2000 events, ACC Craft Show Sarasota dn ACC Craft Show Charlotte. These rapidly growing shows, featuring 200 exhibitors at Sarasota and 225= at Charlotte, are scheduled on back-to-back weekends at the height of the holiday buyin= g season. 2000 will be the 8th year for an ACC Craft Show in Florida, with= an exciting preview evening hosted by the Ringling Museum of Art, the State Art Museum of Florida, and the 6th year for the ACC Craft Show in Charlotte. = ACC Craft Show Sarasota will take place December 1-3 at Robarts Arena, and th= e ACC Craft Show Charlotte will be Dec. 8-10 at the Charlotte Convention Center. This schedule allows exhibitors to show in 2 of the South's hottest marke= ts with one road trip. Exhibitors can apply to either one or both events with a single applicati= on form and set of slides. There is a $20 application fee per show for applications received by the May 5 deadline. applications received between May 6 and May 12 are subject to a $50 late fee, in addition to application fees, an= d application received from May 13 to May 17 are subject to a $100 late fee= From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 10:23:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:09:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:03:51 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/10/00 5:39:39 AM, Northernlights@pobox.com writes: >To keep myself busy, though, I designed >some pieces that I want to make in the future, so at least I >was still doing "something" with stained glass. And if you just CAN'T stay away from the Magical Material, there's always mosaic work.......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 10:35:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:22:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term [ng] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:35:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk > > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > > verb it in the past tense. That's why I've stayed out of this conversation...you should've heard the berating I took from a client just the other day after asking if he had been "golfing". One does not golf, therefore one can't have been golfing. One plays golf, is playing golf, or played golf. Well, the heck with him. I'm off to patinae today, only because it's raining so I can't golf... Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 10:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:28:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: another business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, You and I are the CC companies worst nightmare, we pay off every month and never pay and interest. I absolutely refuse to pay those high interest rates. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:02 AM Subject: Re: another business question >In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, >balloch@netbridge.net writes: > >> On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. >> It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > >Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which >makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking >credit cards. > >IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > >Bob in 92026 > >Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 10:58:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: netconnect.com.au!anniekg From: "Annie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Copyrights/Pokemon Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:40:22 +1100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Sherrie & Linda Jo, I didn't want everyone thinking I was some huge copywrite rip off merchant. Now how bout sharing some of that cool weather????? Pleaaaaaaaaaase??? I'm dying here. :) I need to do one heap of soldering and I just can't bring myself to turn it on. Annie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 11:07:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:04:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Credit cards Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk As a member of our provincial Designer Crafts Council, I can get both Visa and Master Card for 2%. The imprinter rental is only $12. annually. If there are no Visa sales in a month, I am charged only $3. My major sales are at juried craft shows at Christmas, when people are not carrying hundreds of dollars in cash, and I may never see them again so am uncomfortable with cheques. 75% of my sales are with Visa. And if I don't have it, the next booth does. There is no authorization fee. And I am more comfortable with a pouch full of Visa slips on the way home. I wouldn't give it up for anything! Often my customers buy high end items on impulse, and then become regulars. Check into local Craft councils to see if memberships get you a good deal. Gail in Nova Scotia Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > balloch@netbridge.net writes: > > > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > > Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which > makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking > credit cards. > > IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > > Bob in 92026 > > Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 11:15:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:17:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie hodge" To: Subject: re corner lead Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk dear annie you could have saved youre phone call and asked me. Hetleys do it plain and brass coated, so Mike will maybe keep it or can get it. give him a ring, and i'll collect it next time i'm out there. bye bye for now steve "Its just a ride" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 11:31:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: another business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:52:26 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/10/00 10:39:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, andor@ilnk.com writes: > Bob, > You and I are the CC companies worst nightmare, we pay off every month and > never pay and interest. I absolutely refuse to pay those high interest > rates. > Linda Jo Actually we are cutting the cost of doing business by about 5% overall. That's BIG. No one should think that shop keepers do not pass these costs along to us. I used to travel to Saint Croix, USVI, a lot. There, some shops surcharge you for credit card use and my hotel made it plain that a personal check was desirable and a credit card would be surcharged. Shops that accepted credit cards simply had higher prices. Perhaps we should apply to the Federal Reserve for special awards as inflation fighters! Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 12:47:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:27:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 04:30:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > balloch@netbridge.net writes: > > > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > > Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which > makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking > credit cards. > > IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > > Bob in 92026 Hi Bob, OTOH, there can be advantages to using CC's. Take our case for an example. We use the CC's (Discover mostly, also Visa and Mastercard) for nearly everything ... and pay it off every month completely. We do not buy *anything* unless we know we can pay for it that month and for us its like 'plastic cash', a convenience only. The result is we have a very high credit rating which is helping us right at this very minute. We're buying a home now direct from the owner and getting a mortgage. [You people won't BELIEVE the price per square foot for homes in Silicon Valley. We got ours under market (no realtor) for $325/sq ft ... we "just happen" to know the sellers ... but the price can go up to $350 -$450 / sq ft rapidly ... with ppl are literally standing in line to pay these prices. $500-$750 /sq ft is not uncommon here in certain areas. Obviously there is a housing shortage in the SV ... this is not getting value for money. To find out what your home would go for here ... just take your square footage and multiply by $350, a lowball figure for this area.] One of the criteria for home loans is your credit rating. We're first time home buyers here in the US system (though I bought one in France and my wife still has her apt in downtown Budapest) ... and it turns out that for first-time home buyers (maybe for 2nd, 3rd, etc as well) that credit rating is very important. Ours is in the 900's and apparently that high rating facilitates the mortgage. We don't have too many CC's though which turns out to be a good thing as having too many CC's, used or unused, is not good for your credit rating (or so we're told). We're going to get our loan in any case, these mortgage people are practically salivating to sign us up ... but a good CC rating is part of that. Anyway .. the point is : that having CC's, using them, and paying them off completely every month (which requires a certain fiscal discipline that many people might not have) improves your credit rating, which can be a help in certain situations. Bob (in 95014) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 14:13:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:45:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Bungi Glass Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Lymphedema Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:40:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am looking for some feedback from Bungi members. A couple of weeks ago I underwent a mastectomy with lymph node removal. While my lymph nodes were cancer free, it now puts me in a category of women who must watch out for cuts, etc. for the rest of my life to try to avoid a condition called Lymphedema. Lymphedema has been known to cause an arm to swell up to three times its normal size and can be very painful and debilitating. I am looking for other women who have had lymph nodes removed and have continued to do stained glass work. My research tells me that 1 out of every 9 women ends up with breast cancer and many of these surgeries end up with lymph nodes being taken. There must be other people out there who have had experience with Lymphedema or know of someone who has. I enjoy doing stained glass and have done so for 9 years. I don't want to quit now, but it appears that I may not have any more choice in this matter than I did of having my surgery last month. Yet I could be one of the lucky 85% that is not bothered by it. When they recommend that you take your own equipment in to have a manicure done, it sounds serious. I haven't been able to find any real indication that anyone knows for sure what exactly causes Lymphedema. They also say "wear gloves" when doing gardening or other household work where you may get cut. I did contact Monona (whose name was mentioned in a message a couple of days ago) and got some input from her, but she had never been asked this question before. She agreed with me that perhaps someone out there in Bungi Land might have some answers for me. I am not looking for pity, I am now cancer free and will survive. I plan to go back to work next week, so I am on the mend. But I really would appreciate any help/contacts you may know of who have "been there." Joanne Dahlin ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 15:44:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:20:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lymphedema Date: Thu Feb 10 15:20:00 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk joanne i had part of my left breast removed in 1995 due to cancer, and some lymph nodes also .. i was never told anything about cuts and scapes ... i have been doing glass for 13 years, professionally for 7 -- i have never had a problem .. i think this is something you should discuss further with your oncologist ... i listed a link and some information below -- they don't say anything about cuts .. and to tell you the truth, i have never heard this .. glad you are doing okay .. i know how scary it is .. but if you continue to believe you will be okay, you will be okay .. thanx debbie http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/info/lymphedema.htm What is lymphoedema? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- If a lymph channel becomes blocked, perhaps by a tumour or because of scarring caused by radiotherapy or surgery, the lymph fluid is unable to pass along the channel and so it builds up behind the blockage and seeps into the surrounding tissues, causing swelling. The medical term for swelling is oedema -- which gives rise to the name lymphoedema. The degree of swelling will depend on the number of nodes and vessels which have become obstructed or damaged. Another cause of lymphoedema is the removal of lymph nodes by surgery. Surgery or radiotherapy on their own are less likely to cause lymphoedema than if they are both given together to the same area - for example, when lymph nodes are removed from the armpit during surgery for breast cancer and the area is then treated with radiotherapy. Not everyone who has radiotherapy to her or his lymph nodes will develop lymphoedema, however, and among those who do, many will experience only mild swelling. Lymphoedema most commonly occurs in the arm, but if nodes in the groin area are involved then it can occur in the leg. The affected arm or leg may become swollen, stiff and uncomfortable and awkward to move, making daily activities like dressing difficult. It can develop weeks, months or even years after cancer treatment and it is difficult to predict who will be affected. Although lymphoedema is usually found in an arm or leg, other parts of the body can be affected. There may be swelling of the trunk (chest and abdomen) or groin and more rarely facial swelling if the local lymph nodes are affected. It is not possible to replace lymph nodes which have been removed or the lymphatic vessels which have been damaged so once lymphoedema has developed it cannot be cured permanently. It can usually be controlled, however, by various methods which will be described in this booklet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Dahlin To: Bungi Glass Group Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:32 PM Subject: Lymphedema > I am looking for some feedback from Bungi members. > > A couple of weeks ago I underwent a mastectomy with lymph node removal. > While my lymph nodes were cancer free, it now puts me in a category of > women who must watch out for cuts, etc. for the rest of my life to try > to avoid a condition called Lymphedema. Lymphedema has been known to > cause an arm to swell up to three times its normal size and can be very > painful and debilitating. > > I am looking for other women who have had lymph nodes removed and have > continued to do stained glass work. My research tells me that 1 out of > every 9 women ends up with breast cancer and many of these surgeries end > up with lymph nodes being taken. There must be other people out there > who have had experience with Lymphedema or know of someone who has. > > I enjoy doing stained glass and have done so for 9 years. I don't want > to quit now, but it appears that I may not have any more choice in this > matter than I did of having my surgery last month. Yet I could be one > of the lucky 85% that is not bothered by it. When they recommend that > you take your own equipment in to have a manicure done, it sounds > serious. I haven't been able to find any real indication that anyone > knows for sure what exactly causes Lymphedema. They also say "wear > gloves" when doing gardening or other household work where you may get > cut. > > I did contact Monona (whose name was mentioned in a message a couple of > days ago) and got some input from her, but she had never been asked this > question before. She agreed with me that perhaps someone out there in > Bungi Land might have some answers for me. > > I am not looking for pity, I am now cancer free and will survive. I > plan to go back to work next week, so I am on the mend. But I really > would appreciate any help/contacts you may know of who have "been > there." > > Joanne Dahlin > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 16:34:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:15:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Lymphedema Date: Thu Feb 10 16:13:47 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk OOPS -- sorry guys, i meant for this to go directly to her .. sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Lymphedema > joanne > i had part of my left breast removed in 1995 due to cancer, and some lymph > nodes also .. i was never told anything about cuts and scapes ... i have > been doing glass for 13 years, professionally for 7 -- i have never had a > problem .. > > i think this is something you should discuss further with your oncologist > ... i listed a link and some information below -- they don't say anything > about cuts .. and to tell you the truth, i have never heard this .. > > glad you are doing okay .. i know how scary it is .. but if you continue to > believe you will be okay, you will be okay .. > > thanx > debbie > > > > http://www.cancerbacup.org.uk/info/lymphedema.htm > > What is lymphoedema? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > If a lymph channel becomes blocked, perhaps by a tumour or because of > scarring caused by radiotherapy or surgery, the lymph fluid is unable to > pass along the channel and so it builds up behind the blockage and seeps > into the surrounding tissues, causing swelling. The medical term for > swelling is oedema -- which gives rise to the name lymphoedema. The degree > of swelling will depend on the number of nodes and vessels which have become > obstructed or damaged. > > Another cause of lymphoedema is the removal of lymph nodes by surgery. > Surgery or radiotherapy on their own are less likely to cause lymphoedema > than if they are both given together to the same area - for example, when > lymph nodes are removed from the armpit during surgery for breast cancer and > the area is then treated with radiotherapy. Not everyone who has > radiotherapy to her or his lymph nodes will develop lymphoedema, however, > and among those who do, many will experience only mild swelling. > > Lymphoedema most commonly occurs in the arm, but if nodes in the groin area > are involved then it can occur in the leg. The affected arm or leg may > become swollen, stiff and uncomfortable and awkward to move, making daily > activities like dressing difficult. It can develop weeks, months or even > years after cancer treatment and it is difficult to predict who will be > affected. > > Although lymphoedema is usually found in an arm or leg, other parts of the > body can be affected. There may be swelling of the trunk (chest and abdomen) > or groin and more rarely facial swelling if the local lymph nodes are > affected. > > It is not possible to replace lymph nodes which have been removed or the > lymphatic vessels which have been damaged so once lymphoedema has developed > it cannot be cured permanently. It can usually be controlled, however, by > various methods which will be described in this booklet. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J. Dahlin > To: Bungi Glass Group > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 5:32 PM > Subject: Lymphedema > > > > I am looking for some feedback from Bungi members. > > > > A couple of weeks ago I underwent a mastectomy with lymph node removal. > > While my lymph nodes were cancer free, it now puts me in a category of > > women who must watch out for cuts, etc. for the rest of my life to try > > to avoid a condition called Lymphedema. Lymphedema has been known to > > cause an arm to swell up to three times its normal size and can be very > > painful and debilitating. > > > > I am looking for other women who have had lymph nodes removed and have > > continued to do stained glass work. My research tells me that 1 out of > > every 9 women ends up with breast cancer and many of these surgeries end > > up with lymph nodes being taken. There must be other people out there > > who have had experience with Lymphedema or know of someone who has. > > > > I enjoy doing stained glass and have done so for 9 years. I don't want > > to quit now, but it appears that I may not have any more choice in this > > matter than I did of having my surgery last month. Yet I could be one > > of the lucky 85% that is not bothered by it. When they recommend that > > you take your own equipment in to have a manicure done, it sounds > > serious. I haven't been able to find any real indication that anyone > > knows for sure what exactly causes Lymphedema. They also say "wear > > gloves" when doing gardening or other household work where you may get > > cut. > > > > I did contact Monona (whose name was mentioned in a message a couple of > > days ago) and got some input from her, but she had never been asked this > > question before. She agreed with me that perhaps someone out there in > > Bungi Land might have some answers for me. > > > > I am not looking for pity, I am now cancer free and will survive. I > > plan to go back to work next week, so I am on the mend. But I really > > would appreciate any help/contacts you may know of who have "been > > there." > > > > Joanne Dahlin > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 17:05:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:49:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: "J. Dahlin" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lymphedema Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:48:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Joanne, My friend wears that tight sleeve thing to protect her arm. Prevention. I'll ask her if it has a special name. Suzanne "J. Dahlin" wrote: > > I am looking for some feedback from Bungi members. > > A couple of weeks ago I underwent a mastectomy with lymph node removal. > While my lymph nodes were cancer free, it now puts me in a category of > women who must watch out for cuts, etc. for the rest of my life to try > to avoid a condition called Lymphedema. Lymphedema has been known to > cause an arm to swell up to three times its normal size and can be very > painful and debilitating. > > I am looking for other women who have had lymph nodes removed and have > continued to do stained glass work. My research tells me that 1 out of > every 9 women ends up with breast cancer and many of these surgeries end > up with lymph nodes being taken. There must be other people out there > who have had experience with Lymphedema or know of someone who has. > > I enjoy doing stained glass and have done so for 9 years. I don't want > to quit now, but it appears that I may not have any more choice in this > matter than I did of having my surgery last month. Yet I could be one > of the lucky 85% that is not bothered by it. When they recommend that > you take your own equipment in to have a manicure done, it sounds > serious. I haven't been able to find any real indication that anyone > knows for sure what exactly causes Lymphedema. They also say "wear > gloves" when doing gardening or other household work where you may get > cut. > > I did contact Monona (whose name was mentioned in a message a couple of > days ago) and got some input from her, but she had never been asked this > question before. She agreed with me that perhaps someone out there in > Bungi Land might have some answers for me. > > I am not looking for pity, I am now cancer free and will survive. I > plan to go back to work next week, so I am on the mend. But I really > would appreciate any help/contacts you may know of who have "been > there." > > Joanne Dahlin > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 18:43:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:29:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Bobfuses@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:12:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk That's how I buy all my glass! ;o) Suzanne Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > balloch@netbridge.net writes: > > > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > > Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which > makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking > credit cards. > > IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > > Bob in 92026 > > Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 18:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:12:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: arrakis.es!kiram From: "Kira Mason" To: Subject: RE: for the birds Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:36:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk It will do the same thing to the paint on a car if you leave it long enough too. I agree with you, what are they eating?¿?¿? Kira -----Mensaje original----- De: Beveler4@aol.com Para: Glass@bungi.com Fecha: miércoles 9 de febrero de 2000 17:03 Asunto: for the birds >Heres something you won't see or hear about everyday: >I was just getting a piece of glass from my bins and low and behold a bird had done its duty on the glass,probably in transport from the distributor.But here is the kicker,it had actually eaten into and etched the glass where ever it had touched.It was as if someone had poured acid onto the glass.What are we feeding these guys????!!!!Thought you might get a kick out of this it sure through me for a loop. Beveler4 (Stan) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 19:14:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:57:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Bronya751 From: Bronya751@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_6e.be3b86.25d4d45e_boundary" Subject: do not send me any mail Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:56:30 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_6e.be3b86.25d4d45e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_6e.be3b86.25d4d45e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:42:16 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:42:04 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:33:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:32:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Congratulations on your little angel! I agree with you. It isn't worth the risk. Even taking all the precautions you can imagine there is still a risk. Tracy Reitmann wrote: > I don't know that much either, but I completely stayed away > from it while I was pregnant (btw, I delivered Tyler last > Thursday, a bouncing baby boy and cute as a button!). I'm > feeding him breastmilk so I'm going to be staying away from > it still until the breastmilk feeding stops. I know there > are precautions you can take, and I read up on what I could > find, but what convinced me not to even try was the fact > that lead affects the development of the brain, in a fetus > or a child, and I didn't want to take any chances with that > kind of thing. When I first found out I was pregnant I had > my lead level checked at the doc's office...the results came > back "under 3." To keep myself busy, though, I designed > some pieces that I want to make in the future, so at least I > was still doing "something" with stained glass. > -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_6e.be3b86.25d4d45e_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 19:40:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:58:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Bronya751 From: Bronya751@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_b1.19e38fb.25d4d438_boundary" Subject: Fwd: take me off your lists Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:55:52 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_b1.19e38fb.25d4d438_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_b1.19e38fb.25d4d438_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (rly-yd05.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.5]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:15:52 -0500 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yd05.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:15:32 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:44:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #84 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Bronya751 From: Bronya751@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_bf.ebb4cc.25d4218b_boundary" Subject: take me off your lists Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:13:31 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk please do not send me anymore information Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 05:37:11 1900 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 05:36:57 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #81 built 2000-Feb-8) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term [ng] Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 22:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Verbing a noun is a gerund. But seriously, the English language has grown because of it's ability to be flexible and to take a new idea and turn it into the requisite parts of speech. And since you are inventing, do it your way - after all the dictionaries follow, they don't lead. So, does patinaed or patined look better? I wonder if the Americans pick the latter and the UKers (how's that for inventing?) pick the former? - Cec who is just playing. (Is Brits less offensive than UKers? Is Brits offensive at all?) Family Account wrote: > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > verb it in the past tense. > > To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:53 PM > Subject: spelling question for glass term > > > Hi group, > > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > > word? > > Thanks in advance. > > Shirley B > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --part1_b1.19e38fb.25d4d438_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 19:44:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:19:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ameritech.net!diamonds2 From: Mary Austin To: "J. Dahlin" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lymphedema Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:11:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I too had breast cancer and had some of the lymph glands removed. I've done stained glass for 6 yrs. now and although I do have some cuts I've never been bothered by this problem. I am careful to clean and disinfect those cuts though. I have some other health problems that can complicate getting those cuts so I do try and be more careful. I'm also a hairstylist and do manicures. It's for your own health safety that they want you to bring in your own instruments. That way you know they are sanitised completely. I hope this helps you in some small way. You're welcome to call and talk to me at 317-885-6852. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions I can. Mary Austin diamonds2@ameritech.net "J. Dahlin" wrote: > I am looking for some feedback from Bungi members. > > A couple of weeks ago I underwent a mastectomy with lymph node removal. > While my lymph nodes were cancer free, it now puts me in a category of > women who must watch out for cuts, etc. for the rest of my life to try > to avoid a condition called Lymphedema. Lymphedema has been known to > cause an arm to swell up to three times its normal size and can be very > painful and debilitating. > > I am looking for other women who have had lymph nodes removed and have > continued to do stained glass work. My research tells me that 1 out of > every 9 women ends up with breast cancer and many of these surgeries end > up with lymph nodes being taken. There must be other people out there > who have had experience with Lymphedema or know of someone who has. > > I enjoy doing stained glass and have done so for 9 years. I don't want > to quit now, but it appears that I may not have any more choice in this > matter than I did of having my surgery last month. Yet I could be one > of the lucky 85% that is not bothered by it. When they recommend that > you take your own equipment in to have a manicure done, it sounds > serious. I haven't been able to find any real indication that anyone > knows for sure what exactly causes Lymphedema. They also say "wear > gloves" when doing gardening or other household work where you may get > cut. > > I did contact Monona (whose name was mentioned in a message a couple of > days ago) and got some input from her, but she had never been asked this > question before. She agreed with me that perhaps someone out there in > Bungi Land might have some answers for me. > > I am not looking for pity, I am now cancer free and will survive. I > plan to go back to work next week, so I am on the mend. But I really > would appreciate any help/contacts you may know of who have "been > there." > > Joanne Dahlin > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 19:45:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:06:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lymphedema Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:41:13 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I am sorry to hear about your ordeal but congratulations on being cancer free. I do know someone who went through the same thing. She recently told me that she hadn't been doing much glass because she had lymphadema, I had never heard of it but she described it as you did. She said that she was told too that she had to be careful about cutting herself. RIght now her hands are swollen but she said as soon as the swelling goes down she is going to start doing glass again. She will wear gloves when cutting and be careful when foiling too since the sides are sharp and sometimes she gets cut from the foil. OVERALL she has NO INTENTIONS of giving up stained glass. SHe says she loves it and will get through the lymphadema just like she got through the breast cancer and her life WILL return to normal. I guess the moral of my story is you aren't alone. Best of luck and health to you. I wish you the best and be careful:-) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 20:11:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:32:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Bungi Glass Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Debbie's Response re Lymphedema Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:27:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I tried responding directly to you, but the message wouldn't go through. Please send me your e-mail address and I will resend my message. It was very encouraging to hear that you have not been bothered by Lymphedema with your stained glass work. One other reply just came through with a similar message. I am feeling better about it already!!!!!!! : ) Joanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 10 22:35:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:03:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: juno.com!pennyante From: Stephanie N Larson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: re: re: spelling question for glass term Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:35:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I give up-personally, I'm gonna stick with "finished". How's that? Just kidding. I copied these from my Microsoft American Heritage Dictionary; Good luck if it helps. patina (p=E0t=B4n-e, pe-t=EA=B4ne) also patine (p=E0-t=EAn=B4) noun 1.A thin greenish layer, usually basic copper sulfate, that forms on copper or copper alloys, such as bronze, as a result of corrosion. 2.The sheen on any surface, produced by age and use. 3.A change in appearance produced by long-standing behavior, practice, or use: a face etched with a patina of fine lines and tiny wrinkles. [Italian, from Latin, plate (from the incrustation on ancient metal plates and dishes). See paten.] patinaed patinaed (p=E0t=B4n-=EEd, pe-t=EA=B4n=EEd) adjective Having a coating, covering, or sheen; patinated. Used especially to describe the corrosive green layer that forms on copper and its alloys. patinate patinate (p=E0t=B4n-=E2t=B4) verb patinated, patinating, patinates verb, transitive To furnish with a patina. verb, intransitive To acquire or become covered with a patina. Excerpted from The American Heritage=AE Dictionary of the English Languag= e, Third Edition =A9 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved. >cecnralph wrote: Verbing a noun is a gerund. But seriously, the English language has grown because of it's ability to be flexible and to take a new idea and turn it into the requisite parts of speech. And since you are inventing, do it your way - after all the dictionaries follow, they don't lead. So, does patinaed or patined look better? I wonder if the Americans pick the latter and the UKers (how's that for inventing?) pick the former? - Cec who is just playing.=20 (Is Brits less offensive than UKers? Is Brits offensive at all?) Family Account wrote: > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way to > verb it in the past tense. > > To be quite proper: "Applied patina"! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shirley Balloch > To: > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 1:53 PM > Subject: spelling question for glass term > > > Hi group, > > How do you spell the past tense of patina? Or is there even such a > > word? > > Thanks in advance. > > Shirley B > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 03:40:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:24:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: anne walker Subject: Re: corner lead Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:38:52 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk First of all Annie, I'd say don't bother making a lantern in lead came, as, unless you incorporate some form of reinforcing, it won't hold together under its own weight for long. Still, if you want to do it, go ahead. The corner lead has longer outer leaves than the inner ones, so no bevelling of the glass will be needed. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, anne walker writes >I want to make a lantern using corner or double lead rather than copper >foil as I think this will make it stronger and neater. However I cannot >find anyone who has used it before - although have heard that the glass >needs to be bevelled in order for the 2 pieces of glass to meet in the >corner. Any advice please? (Would I have to use a special beveller? - >I only have a grinder). > >Annie > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 03:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:24:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Sherrie Soleim Subject: Re: Pricing Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:44:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Sherrie, My pricing is in bands of complexity by the square metre. The most simple starts at 550 UKpounds per metre, rising to about 1100. This includes time, overheads, materials. This is based on record keeping which gave me an average of material costs, time spent, and income desired. The overheads were then added as an hourly element based on productive time (about half total available time) My profit is the difference between the hourly rate and the overheads. No additional percentage is added on. My advice is to get a simple book on starting up in business, where all the factors on costing and pricing will be covered. In the UK there is a teach yourself book. I don't remember the USA title for the series, although I know there is one. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Sherrie Soleim writes >And how do you compute your final price? I'm just a hobbyist but would like to >branch out >a bit and try to sell some. I'm currently working on a piece that is about 32" >by 22". >I've been keeping track of the amount of time I am working on it to help me when >I get to >trying to set a price. Do you have any kind of formula that you use to compute >a selling >price? Like $X * size + $X * time spent + % for profit or something like that? >Just >curious where to begin to figure a fair price. > >Sherrie > >Steve Richard wrote: > >> if the glass is free, then your time is the important element. I usually >> price by the piece. >> >> Steve >> > >-- ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >Sherrie L. Soleim >University of Oregon >Library Personnel Services >soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >"To succeed in politics, it is often >necessary to rise above your principles." > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 04:01:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:25:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shari Subject: Re: spelling question for glass term [ng] Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:32:36 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Since I've opened my two volumes of the OED, I couldn't resist "golf" The OED has recognised Golf as a verb at least since 1932. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Shari writes >> > I think we've been verbing a noun, so there probably isn't a correct way >to >> > verb it in the past tense. > >That's why I've stayed out of this conversation...you should've heard the >berating I took from a client just the other day after asking if he had been >"golfing". One does not golf, therefore one can't have been golfing. One >plays golf, is playing golf, or played golf. > >Well, the heck with him. I'm off to patinae today, only because it's raining >so I can't golf... > >Shari > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 04:08:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:25:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Subject: NG National nicknames (Was:spelling question for glass term [ng]) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:11:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Cecily and Ralph Wood writes .. ........cut........ > (Is >Brits less offensive than UKers? Is Brits offensive at all?) > Well is Yanks offensive at all? Depends on the way you say it doesn't it? Yes Brits is mildly offensive, but no one will fall out with you over it. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 04:09:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:26:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kira Mason Subject: Glas corrosion (was: for the birds) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:20:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk The bird droppings are full of ammonia. Just remember the smell of a chicken coop and you will know that it natural avian excretion product. Ammonia in the presence of other salts becomes an acid. Glass being an alkaline material is corroded by contact. There are lots of other ways for glass to become corroded too. Keep glass dry with air spaces, and wipe off any spills quickly are two good rules for keeping glass without corrosion. In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kira Mason writes >It will do the same thing to the paint on a car if you leave it long enough >too. I agree with you, what are they eating??? >Kira >-----Mensaje original----- >De: Beveler4@aol.com >Para: Glass@bungi.com >Fecha: mircoles 9 de febrero de 2000 17:03 >Asunto: for the birds > > >>Heres something you won't see or hear about everyday: >>I was just getting a piece of glass from my bins and low and behold a bird >had done its duty on the glass,probably in transport from the >distributor.But here is the kicker,it had actually eaten into and etched the >glass where ever it had touched.It was as if someone had poured acid onto >the glass.What are we feeding these guys????!!!!Thought you might get a kick >out of this it sure through me for a loop. Beveler4 (Stan) >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 05:05:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:51:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bronya751@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: do not send me any mail Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:49:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Bronya751@aol.com wrote: [most of message snipped] > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Instructions on how to change your subscription are appendixed to the bottom of every message sent to the Bungi mailing list, including this one. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 05:35:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:07:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: ukonline.co.uk!brian.shepherd From: "Brian Shepherd" To: Subject: Brits Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:39:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Brits is not in the least offensive to me. I can't see why it should be. I think Limeys is more of an equivalent to Yanks than Brits. I think we all know when people are trying to annoy us but I have to accept that some people take offence at the slightest thing - you will never please everyone! I use Brit myself - when I'm not being English!! (But then I am half Yank!!!!) BtB (Brian the Brit!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 05:37:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: rrk , Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:08:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Wow!!!! $ 325 per foot is unreal. Im from Oklahoma, and we jest built a new house in June for $61 per foot. Thats full brick !! wow, don't wont to live in Calif. Lee rrk wrote: > Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > balloch@netbridge.net writes: > > > > > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > > > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > > > > Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which > > makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking > > credit cards. > > > > IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > > > > Bob in 92026 > > Hi Bob, > > OTOH, there can be advantages to using CC's. > > Take our case for an example. We use the CC's (Discover mostly, also Visa and > Mastercard) for nearly everything ... and pay it off every month completely. We > do not buy *anything* unless we know we can pay for it that month and for us its > like 'plastic cash', a convenience only. The result is we have a very high credit > rating which is helping us right at this very minute. We're buying a home now > direct from the owner and getting a mortgage. > > [You people won't BELIEVE the price per square foot for homes in Silicon Valley. > We got ours under market (no realtor) for $325/sq ft ... we "just happen" to know > the sellers ... but the price can go up to $350 -$450 / sq ft rapidly ... > with ppl are literally standing in line to pay these prices. $500-$750 /sq ft is > not uncommon here in certain areas. Obviously there is a housing shortage in the > SV ... this is not getting value for money. To find out what your home would go > for here ... just take your square footage and multiply by $350, a lowball figure > for this area.] > > One of the criteria for home loans is your credit rating. We're first time home > buyers here in the US system (though I bought one in France and my wife still has > her apt in downtown Budapest) ... and it turns out that for first-time home buyers > (maybe for 2nd, 3rd, etc as well) that credit rating is very important. Ours is > in the 900's and apparently that high rating facilitates the mortgage. We don't > have too many CC's though which turns out to be a good thing as having too many > CC's, used or unused, is not good for your credit rating (or so we're told). > > We're going to get our loan in any case, these mortgage people are practically > salivating to sign us up ... but a good CC rating is part of that. > > Anyway .. the point is : that having CC's, using them, and paying them off > completely every month (which requires a certain fiscal discipline that many > people might not have) improves your credit rating, which can be a help in certain > situations. > > Bob (in 95014) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 06:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: leetollett@worldnet.att.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 05:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk lee tollett wrote: > Wow!!!! $ 325 per foot is unreal. Im from Oklahoma, and we jest built a new house > in June for $61 per foot. Thats full brick !! wow, don't wont to live in Calif. > Lee Hi Lee, You get used to it. We're buying now because the housing shortage is expected to continue for the next 3-5 years, at least, with housing prices to approximately double in the next 2 years ... and double again the two years following. IOW, get in now while we still can. Here in Cupertino, the driving forces are location (right in the center of the Santa Clara Valley, aka SV) and the quality of the schools. The Cupertino community is now largely Asian ... primarily Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and some Indian ... mostly native born. Of the 24 children in my son's kindergarten class (he's being mainstreamed into K right now from a special ed class and will start 1st or 2nd grade next year, probably 2nd as it looks now , a far cry from the situation this same time last year) ... 7 are not native-born Asians ... or 71% native-born Asian. This is not conjecture or something I read in the paper, this is my son's class and I know these kids and many of the mothers/fathers ... being a diligent father and all that good stuff. These folks are the cream of the crop of our Asian immigrants ... and ... they put a very high value on education ... much more so than the majority of native-born Americans ... and so ... they're willing to sacrifice to insure their children get high-quality education. I understand that ... we're staying in Cupertino for the same reason . I read in the newspaper last summer that for one of the HS's here in Cupertino, 97% of the graduating seniors are going to college, and the *average* SAT score for those same seniors was in the 1300's (can't remember the exact number). However, we're making a choice ... the same choice everyone in every large American city makes. Live close to work (my wife has a 10 min drive to work) and be able to spend time with the kids (actually a necessity in our situation) and pay high housing prices ... or live far from work and have a 45-120+ minute commute each way and pay lower housing prices though you have to purchase a new vehicle more often too.. Anyway ... gotta keep movin' ... Bob (in 95014) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 07:07:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:33:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Press Release:G.A.S. 2000 Tech. Display Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following press release from the Glass Arts Society (G.A.S.) is provided by the International Guild of Glass Artists (IGGA) as a service to our members. This forwarding does not represent endorsement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: INTERNET:glassartsoc@earthlink.net To: [unknown], INTERNET:members@igga.org Date: 02/10/2000 7:13 PM RE: 2000 Technical Display = It's not too late! You can still make the DEADLINE, FEBRUARY 15, 2000, for the 2000 Technical Display Lottery. After February 15, if booth space is still available, allocations will be made as reservations are received. Technical Display is the highlight of every conference! Don't miss the opportunity to present your products or services to a targeted market of glass enthusiasts!!! If you are not planning to get booth space at the 2000 Technical Display you can still reach Glass Art Society Members by advertising in the Glass Art Society 2000 Resource Guide. Contact G.A.S. for details on Resource Guide Advertising Information. To get a Technical Display Reservation form and a map of booth layout contact the G.A.S. office. All details about 2000 Technical Display follows. 2000 Glass Art Society Technical Display Information Glass Art Society 30th Annual Conference Bridge to the Future June 8-11, 2000 Brooklyn, New York One-stop shopping for glass artists and enthusiasts! Technical Display Location and Hours: Long Island University Gymnasium (formerly the Paramount Theater) Thursday, June 8 12 noon - 5 pm Friday, June 9 9 am - 5 pm Saturday, June 10 10 am - 3 pm Installation: Wednesday, June 7 9 am - 5 pm Thursday, June 8 9 am - 11 am Take-down: Saturday, June 10 3 pm - 6 pm Sunday, June 11 9 am - 3 pm 2,000 glass artists, educators, students and enthusiasts will be there to browse and purchase the newest and best glass-related supplies and materials. Booth Fees and Benefits Booth Fee: $750 Premium Booth: $850 Booth Size: 10 feet by 10 feet. 8-foot high back wall and 3-foot high side rail. Cost of each booth includes: * Installed pipe and drape display, one skirted 6-foot table, 2 chairs, signage, waste basket = * Full Page Resource Guide Advertisement (value $250) * 2 Conference Passes (value $550) Number of Booths Available: 61 = Eligibility: All Technical Display Exhibitors must be current members of G.A.S. Display Company Emerald Convention Services (ECS) will handle all Technical Display services. ECS employees must handle all material entering into the exhibition hall, and ECS shall designate all labor for this event. Exhibitors may bring materials which can be hand-carried into the exhibition hall at no cost to the Exhibitors. Vendors may make their own arrangement for material. Emerald Convention Services will have a full-staffed, supervised service desk set up during installation and take-down to assist exhibitors.. Deadlines and Dates: February 15, 2000 Space Reservations and 50% Deposit due on Technical Display Booth/Resource Guide Ad February 21, 2000 Booth Allocation Lottery February 28, 2000 Notification of Booth Allocation March 1, 2000 Camera-ready Advertisement Artwork and Final Payment deadline 2000 Technical Display Booth Allocation Process In order to give all who are interested in participating in the 2000 G.A.S. Technical Display an equal opportunity to participate, and at the same time reward those who have exhibited in the past, the following lottery system will be used: 1)Each customer completes the Technical Display Reservation Form, stating the number of booths to reserve, and 3 preferences for booth assignment based on the map provided. = Forms must be received in the G.A.S. Office by February 15, 2000, along with a deposit of 50% of the booth fees and a completed Resource Guide Advertising Submission Form. PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO TAKE RESERVATIONS OVER THE PHONE. WE MUST HAVE YOUR COMPLETED FORM MAILED OR FAXED TO US. Your completed and returned form becomes a lottery ticket with your company's name on it. = 2) A lottery ticket will also be prepared for each year since 1990 that you have exhibited in the G.A.S. Technical Display. If you have been a part of Technical Display since 1990, you will have 10 tickets and therefore 10 times the chance of getting your first choice of booth space than a first-time exhibitor. 3) On February 21, 2000 the staff will assign booths as the tickets are pulled from the hat. You will be assigned your first, second, or third choice, depending on availability. If none of your choices are available, the staff will do its best to assign you to a similar space. If you paid in full for a Premium Booth but did not receive one, G.A.S. will promptly refund the difference. 4) The G.A.S. Office will notify you of your booth allocation by February 28. You will then receive an "Exhibitors Service Kit" with shipping and set-up information. You can arrange for any of your special exhibition needs directly with Emerald Convention Services. After February 21, 2000, if booth space is still available, allocations will be made as reservations are received. Cancellation Policy Before April 15 for full refund April 16 - May 1 for 50% refund After May 1 no refund For additional questions or comments, please contact: Elizabeth Byrd, Administrative Assistant (206) 382-1305 FAX: 206- 382-2630 email: GlassArtSoc@earthlink.net Penny Berk, Executive Director (206) 382-1305 FAX: 206- 382-2630 email: pberk@earthlink.net Elizabeth Byrd Tel: 206-382-1305 Registrar/Administrative Assistant Fax: 206-382-2630 Glass Art Society Email: glassartsoc@earthlink.net 1305 4th Ave.,Suite 711 Internet: www.glassart.org Seattle, WA 98101-2401 --------------------------------------------------------- Glass Art Society Advancing the Appreciation, = Understanding and Development of the Glass Arts Worldwide= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 07:40:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:05:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: spam Date: Fri Feb 11 07:04:00 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: taylor'd Expressions Precedence: bulk hi guys the xxx rated spam that hit the list the other day was reported to yahoo .. this is their response >snip< Based upon other similar complaints, we have determined that this email message did not originate from the Yahoo! Mail system. It appears that the sender of this message forged the header information to give the impression that it derived from the Yahoo! Mail system. The "yahoo.com" address associated with the email does not exist. debbie debbie taylor - cincinnati, ohio * * * * * * * * kleeman@one.net (513) 870-9773 Stained Glass Supplies - http://taylordexpressions.safeshopper.com WATKINS Ind. Rep - business opportunity- http://www.winnersteam.com/djt FULLERBRUSH Ind Rep - http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/fullerbrush DRI-WASH 'N GUARD - mailto: kleeman@one.net Mountain Gourmet - http://http://www.mountaingourmet.com/prem/debbiet ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 08:39:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:20:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: another business question Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:19:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/10/00 2:32:20 PM, Bobfuses@aol.com writes: >No one should think that shop keepers do not pass these costs >along to us. I used to travel to Saint Croix, USVI, a lot. There, some shops >surcharge you for credit card use and my hotel made it plain that a personal >check was desirable and a credit card would be surcharged. I haven't seen it lately, but 20-25 years ago it used to be fairly common in the US to see statements like "5% discount on cash purchases." I've since heard that's no longer legal - various governmental agencies caught on that such practices tend to encourage off-the-books shenanigans - but it sure looked a lot better psychologically to the customer! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 10:10:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:40:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Press Release:UrbanGlass Party! Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following is a press release provided as a service to members of the International Guild of Glass Artists. It is not an endorsement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------------------------- "Glassblowers Ball and Auction Weekend 2000" Friday, April 7 - Ball & Auction... Now in Manhattan Sat, April 8 - Demos & glassmaking at UrbanGlass plus exclusive Cocktail party at Heller Gallery Sun., April 9 - Visits to collectors' homes For information, call Brett Littman at 718-625-3685 x 239 Auction items available for viewing March 1st at www.urbanglass.com UrbanGlass 647 Fulton Street Brooklyn, NY 11217-1112 USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 11 13:00:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #85 built 2000-Feb-10) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Me too. And since I rarely carry my checkbook with me, a vendor who does not accept my Visa or MC would lose my purchase to someone else who does. The shop where I do a good portion of my purchases is a rather small operation, but she would lose out if she did not accept my Visa debit card. I would simply go to another store that did. It is more than a convenience to me, it's the way I live. Suzanne Gunn wrote: > That's how I buy all my glass! ;o) > > Suzanne > > Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/9/00 4:04:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > balloch@netbridge.net writes: > > > > > On the other hand it seems so convenient to dealers and customers. > > > It must be the wave of the future, my old age is showing. > > > > Sure, if you enjoy paying 18% interest! I keep my card clean each month which > > makes me the exception. Loose about one small sale a year due to not taking > > credit cards. > > > > IMO, if you have to pay for stained glass by credit card you cannot afford it! > > > > Bob in 92026 > > > > Please note change of address from bobdu@prodigy.net to bobfuses@aol.com > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 09:11:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:40:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #88 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Discontinued Specturm Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'm behind in my bungi messages, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this or not. Today I went by my glass retailer's and found out that Spectrum is stopping production of two of it's browns (317 and 319) because of production problems. I just thought some of you might like to know so that you can grab a piece or two before it's gone. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 10:14:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:50:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #88 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: spam Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:18:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk One more note about that message, my Norton Anti Virus program notified me that the message was "infected" when I tried to delete it. If you do not have anit virus software you could possibly have been infected with a computer virus from that message. one.net!kleeman@daver.uoregon.edu wrote: > hi guys > the xxx rated spam that hit the list the other day was reported to yahoo .. > this is their response > > >snip< > > Based upon other similar complaints, we have determined that this email > message did not originate from the Yahoo! Mail system. It appears that > the sender of this message forged the header information to give the > impression that it derived from the Yahoo! Mail system. The "yahoo.com" > address associated with the email does not exist. > > debbie > > debbie taylor - cincinnati, ohio > * * * * * * * * > kleeman@one.net > (513) 870-9773 > > Stained Glass Supplies - http://taylordexpressions.safeshopper.com > WATKINS Ind. Rep - business opportunity- http://www.winnersteam.com/djt > FULLERBRUSH Ind Rep - http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/fullerbrush > DRI-WASH 'N GUARD - mailto: kleeman@one.net > Mountain Gourmet - http://http://www.mountaingourmet.com/prem/debbiet > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 10:32:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:09:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #88 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: another business question Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:50:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Sorry Sparks It is is perfectly legal to offer discounts to your customers for what ever reason you feel like. People do understand that CC companies fees are a percentage of the sales. In many cases I have been offered cash instead of a CC if I agree to extend a 5% discount. I usually turn this down because my CC discount rate is 1.25% plus $.20 per transaction. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. 1415 West Colonial Dr. Winter Grden FL 34787 407-905-9594 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 11:01:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:36:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #88 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: LMCCDC@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:15:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Lisa: You asked for any first hand experience on pregnancy and working with lead. I did have a pregnant student who signed up for stained glass and I asked her to first check with her doctor. The doctor said he could see no problems if she observed standard safety rules in working with lead. We were doing copper foil work. The baby was born about two weeks after she finished her course and was the usual perfect and normal baby. Having said this, I would certainly make sure a pregnant individual knew the risks and observed safety considerations. One thought, perhaps they could do a lot of stained glass work but stay away from lead and solder until after the baby is born. Sounds like a time to do a tiffany lamp. Peggy On Mon, 7 Feb 2000 LMCCDC@aol.com wrote: > Can someone tell me of a good resource for information on working with lead > and pregnancy? Any first-hand experience would be appreciated too. Thanks, > > Lisa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 13:12:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:59:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #88 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: heesun.com!keane From: "Robert & Jeanne" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re:Lead and Pregnancy Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. Precedence: bulk We don't allow pregnant women to take the stained glass classes, rather we lean them toward a mosaics class and then after the baby is born they usually end up in a beginners stained glass class. This is just our practice. Robert Hee Sun Stained Glass, Ltd. 324 Main Street Reisterstown , MD 21136 410-833-3007 http://www.heesun.com Custom Design Studio ,Supplies & Classes for Stained & Fused Glass & Mosaics ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 19:34:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:13:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #90 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Jerri , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Discontinued Specturm Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk That's "root beer" and they've been making it for a long time. I thought it was one of their more popular items. Is this just a temporary stoppage? Like one of their pots (crucibles) on the line failed before it's time? Boy - I just bought half a sheet of 319.2 today to match something I'm restoring - guess I was lucky. Jack Meredith (Meredith Stained Glass - used to be Laurel and now is Silver Spring, MD) just went up to New York Wednesday and came back with what I needed and he didn't say anything about it going out of production. Jerri wrote: > I'm behind in my bungi messages, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this > or not. Today I went by my glass retailer's and found out that Spectrum is > stopping production of two of it's browns (317 and 319) because of > production problems. I just thought some of you might like to know so that > you can grab a piece or two before it's gone. > > Jerri > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 20:15:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:04:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #90 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: one.net!gwood To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Discontinued Specturm Date: Sat Feb 12 20:04:07 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk >From Spectrum Score #70... (& not really with their permission. Don't turn me in.) This is a classic bad news/ good news story. The bad news is that we have had to discontinue a couple of very popular colors: the two dark ambers, 317-6s and 319-6s. Though both of these items have always been in high-demand and very good sellers, they've been a monumental struggle to for us to produce. As such, they were rarely in stock. The trouble with these dark amber mixes stems from their tendency to be very gaseous. This extra bubbling leads to an unacceptable amount of seediness. Not just too seedy to call standard, but too seedy to even cut! OK, now for the good news! We're conducting crucible melts daily to come up with a series of browns that will fill the holes left in your palette. These will be browns rather than dark ambers, but they should fulfil the same type of needs. Progress looks good! We apologize for the inconvenience but we're working to get these new colors in your hands just as soon as possible. Keep watching for reports on our progress! From: Cecily and Ralph Wood > That's "root beer" and they've been making it for a long time. I thought it > was one of their more popular items. Is this just a temporary stoppage? Like > one of their pots (crucibles) on the line failed before it's time? Boy - I > just bought half a sheet of 319.2 today to match something I'm restoring - > guess I was lucky. Jack Meredith (Meredith Stained Glass - used to be Laurel > and now is Silver Spring, MD) just went up to New York Wednesday and came back > with what I needed and he didn't say anything about it going out of > production. > > Jerri wrote: > > > I'm behind in my bungi messages, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this > > or not. Today I went by my glass retailer's and found out that Spectrum is > > stopping production of two of it's browns (317 and 319) because of > > production problems. I just thought some of you might like to know so that > > you can grab a piece or two before it's gone. > > > > Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 12 22:52:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:35:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #90 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: Discontinued Specturm Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Debbie, I saw that in Spectrum's e-mail last night. I guess Jack Meridith just didn't get the total scoop when he went to New York. KSee had better whip him into shape. :-) Cecily, if they are shutting down for any reason, lucky you got what you needed. There are probably 5,000 cases around to be snatched up that were already produced before shutting down. It if is that popular it will be back. Rest assured something I zero in, will be the only one they discontinue. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: daver!one.net!gwood To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Discontinued Specturm >>From Spectrum Score #70... (& not really with their permission. Don't turn >me in.) > >This is a classic bad news/ good news story. The bad >news is that we have had to discontinue a couple of >very popular colors: the two dark ambers, 317-6s >and 319-6s. Though both of these items have always been >in high-demand and very good sellers, they've been a >monumental struggle to for us to produce. As such, they >were rarely in stock. The trouble with these dark amber mixes >stems from their tendency to be very gaseous. This extra >bubbling leads to an unacceptable amount of seediness. >Not just too seedy to call standard, but too seedy to even cut! >OK, now for the good news! We're conducting crucible >melts daily to come up with a series of browns that will fill >the holes left in your palette. These will be browns rather >than dark ambers, but they should fulfil the same type of >needs. Progress looks good! We apologize for the >inconvenience but we're working to get these new colors >in your hands just as soon as possible. Keep watching for >reports on our progress! > > > >From: Cecily and Ralph Wood > > >> That's "root beer" and they've been making it for a long time. I thought >it >> was one of their more popular items. Is this just a temporary stoppage? >Like >> one of their pots (crucibles) on the line failed before it's time? Boy - >I >> just bought half a sheet of 319.2 today to match something I'm restoring - >> guess I was lucky. Jack Meredith (Meredith Stained Glass - used to be >Laurel >> and now is Silver Spring, MD) just went up to New York Wednesday and came >back >> with what I needed and he didn't say anything about it going out of >> production. >> >> Jerri wrote: >> >> > I'm behind in my bungi messages, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned >this >> > or not. Today I went by my glass retailer's and found out that Spectrum >is >> > stopping production of two of it's browns (317 and 319) because of >> > production problems. I just thought some of you might like to know so >that >> > you can grab a piece or two before it's gone. >> > >> > Jerri > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 13 06:00:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 05:32:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #90 built 2000-Feb-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!cctrice From: "Charlie Trice" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Visa/MC vs. AmEx Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:30:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk "By the way be sure to bring your Visa or Master Card Because at (snip) ... we don't take American Express." Since all I use is American Express, I'll never buy from you or anyone else using that phrase. I can find plenty of places accepting AmEx and will spend my money there. FWIW, Charlie in Miami (here we go...) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 13 08:04:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:46:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #91 built 2000-Feb-13) X-Path: america.net!ddhess From: Dina and Don Hess To: Charlie Trice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Visa/MC vs. AmEx Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:42:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I can't restrain my curiosity -- why is it that all you use is AmEx? Every time I get a cc offer from them, I end up throwing it out, because their terms look so lousy compared to Visa/MC. They always want a huge annual fee, usually $75/yr, whereas the only cards I carry are fee-free. Do they have fee-free ones out there that they just don't market as heavily? Charlie Trice wrote: > > "By the way be sure to bring your Visa or Master Card Because at (snip) > ... we don't take American Express." > > Since all I use is American Express, I'll never buy from you or anyone else > using that phrase. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF7680.34A0AD20-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 13 19:02:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:31:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #92 built 2000-Feb-13) X-Path: discover.earthlink.net!leslye2 From: Leslye Nelson To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: removing cement Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I made a beautiful, simple panel out of black Baroque glass and bevel. It was striking with the swirls continuous throughout the glass. Then I discovered that the lower right piece of Baroque was cracked! Argh!!! I have taken it apart, will recut the Baroque and reconstruct it. My question is what is the best way of removing the cement that is still attached to the bevel? I don't want to scrape it off because I will probably scrape the bevel with my luck. Any ideas? Thanks, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 09:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:50:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: Howard? Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Howard, I have lost the link to your web page with pictures of your wonderful lamps. Would you post it or send it to me. Thanks, Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 10:20:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:02:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Artists Collaboration Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:02:40 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Several months ago I was talking about my grandmother who is an artist and someone, I wish I could remember who, suggested I collaborate with her and do her artwork in stained glass. Well several months later....it's done. I am proud to say I took a drawing that she made for me about 10 years ago, reworked the lines and made it. It was actually easier than I thought it would be. THe hardest part was deciding what not to put in and what glass to use. My grandmothers style is very ecclectic and she uses many colors and designs, since glass doesn't come in print patterns I had to find a combination of colors that reflected her style. Now my grandmother is going to be 86 in 2 weeks and since I am flying to Florida on Saturday to visit with her I am going to give her the piece. Has anyone had any trouble taking a stained glass panel as carry on on a plane. It measures 16" x 19". I figure if I bubble wrap it and put it in flat cardboard it should be safe as long as they let me bring it on. Any feedback on this? I have a picture of this piece, it's not a great picture and doesn't show all the colors too great, but if anyone would like to see it email me at MsChatee@aol.com and I will be glad to share it with you. I have it in AOL Buddy pictures so you won't have to download it. Thanks again to whoever it was that made the initial suggestion to collaborate, my family is thrilled to have her artwork preserved in yet one more medium. Thanks, Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 10:50:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:43:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Press Release:Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplaces web site Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following press release is provided as a service to the members of the International Guild of Glass Artists. It is not an endorsement. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA --------------------------------- New Web Site for Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplaces Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplaces, markets in Ohio and Missouri exclusively for the trade and featuring quality handcrafted products, recently introduced their new web site. According to Show Manager Denise Brosie, "Every aspect of our marketplaces can be obtained through this new site. Whether looking for show dates and locations, hours, an exhibitor application, directions, attendee registration information, the site provides all the essential information." Previewed on the new web site are: - Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplace, March 19-20 Veterans Memorial Building, Columbus, OH - Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplace, June 3-4 Kansas City Market Center, Kansas City, MO - Offinger's Handcrafted Marketplace, August 19-20 Veterans Memorial Building, Columbus, OH For more information, visit the new web site at www.offinger.com/hancrafted or contact Offinger Management, P.O. Box 3388, Zanesville, OH USA 43702-3388, phone 740- 452-4541 or 1-888-878-GIFT (4438), fax 740-452-2552; email: gift @offinger.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 11:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:54:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: HOTMAIL.COM!GL53368 From: To: GL53368@HOTMAIL.COM Subject: YOU ARE GOING ON VACATION!! Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:52:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk You have been selected to ENTER! PACK YOUR BAGS YOU'RE GOING TO THE BAHAMAS! 4days/3nights in West Palm Beach. A 3 day cruise to Nassau, Bahamas aboard the Imperial Majesty cruise lines. 3days/2nights in Orlando. 3days/2nights in Branson MO. 3days/2nights in Williamsburg Virginia. 3days/2nights in Las Vegas Nevada. CLICK HERE! http://2742890245 ******************************************************************************************** We are linked to plenty of websites that offer free subscriptions to our mailing list. You are on our mailing list because you have subscribed at one of our associate web sites, sent us email or we have a previous online relationship. This is a one time mailing to qualified individuals and if you request to have your email address removed from our list please reply to advisor@ffcipromo.com with the word REMOVE included. Your request to be removed will be evaluated and executed within 24 hours. God bless, have a great day! ******************************************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 12:35:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:22:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass picture Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:04:03 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Jim suggested I post the url to the picture of my grandmothers artwork. But it's in AOL Buddy pictures and only the people that I list can access it. It certainly would be easier but from an AOL Perspective I don't think I can do it. It's not too difficult, so if anyone wants it just email me at MsChatee@aol.com. Thanks for all the feedback so far. I can't wait till my grandmother sees it. Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 16:27:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:06:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: mschatee@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Glass picture Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:19 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Caren, Why don't you post it at photopoint.com? It's really easy and then you could just give us the password and we could all look at it. Photopoint is free and really easy to use. I found it when I was looking for a way to share photos of my pregnant daughter and stuff I was buying for her and our ISPs just weren't compatible for sending pictures back and forth. Just a suggestion! Brenda Marhon << Jim suggested I post the url to the picture of my grandmothers artwork. But it's in AOL Buddy pictures and only the people that I list can access it. It certainly would be easier but from an AOL Perspective I don't think I can do it. It's not too difficult, so if anyone wants it just email me at MsChatee@aol.com. Thanks for all the feedback so far. I can't wait till my grandmother sees it. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 19:33:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:24:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: mschatee@juno.com, Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Artists Collaboration Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:24:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I took a stained glass panel to LA and another to London. My husband made a wooden box using 1" x 3" wood as the edging, and 1/8" masonite as the sides. He cut the edging from scrap lumber so that is an aproximation of the wood size. The top panel of masonite was screwed on, and we carefully wrapped the stained glass panel[s] in bubble wrap and made certain the contents didn't shift at all by stuffing paper? more bubble wrap? something in any remaining spaces. (We also used that box to bring back some handblown glass from Hetley's in London.) We put the box inside my husband's suitcase which was crammed with clothes - again making sure it was padded on all sides. No damage to anything on any journey. - Cec mschatee@juno.com wrote: > Several months ago I was talking about my grandmother who is an artist > and someone, I wish I could remember who, suggested I collaborate with > her and do her artwork in stained glass. Well several months > later....it's done. I am proud to say I took a drawing that she made for > me about 10 years ago, reworked the lines and made it. It was actually > easier than I thought it would be. THe hardest part was deciding what > not to put in and what glass to use. My grandmothers style is very > ecclectic and she uses many colors and designs, since glass doesn't come > in print patterns I had to find a combination of colors that reflected > her style. > Now my grandmother is going to be 86 in 2 weeks and since I am flying to > Florida on Saturday to visit with her I am going to give her the piece. > Has anyone had any trouble taking a stained glass panel as carry on on a > plane. It measures 16" x 19". I figure if I bubble wrap it and put it > in flat cardboard it should be safe as long as they let me bring it on. > Any feedback on this? > > I have a picture of this piece, it's not a great picture and doesn't show > all the colors too great, but if anyone would like to see it email me at > MsChatee@aol.com and I will be glad to share it with you. I have it in > AOL Buddy pictures so you won't have to download it. > > Thanks again to whoever it was that made the initial suggestion to > collaborate, my family is thrilled to have her artwork preserved in yet > one more medium. > Thanks, > Caren > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 21:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:09:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #94 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: home.com!jimstew From: jimstew@home.com To: geoffs@onr.com Subject: The Jassen.com ChemMall Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:03:33 -0800 Message-ID: <20000215050332.FMVT21114.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@cr604783-a> Precedence: bulk Information as requested: "The Jassen.com ChemMall enables you to search, locate and instantly order the specialty chemical cleaning and maintenance products you need directly from our associates online stores." http://www.jassen.com/index.htm mailto:info@jassen.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 14 22:03:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:00:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #95 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: terra.com.pe!ivargas From: "Ivette Vargas" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RV: YOU ARE GOING ON VACATION!! Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Cirujano Dentista Precedence: bulk I Have received this message, does some of you know that means? or is a joke? Greetings to all Ivette Vargas Lima, Peru ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: YOU ARE GOING ON VACATION!! > > > > You have been selected to ENTER! > > PACK YOUR BAGS YOU'RE GOING TO THE BAHAMAS! > > 4days/3nights in West Palm Beach. > A 3 day cruise to Nassau, Bahamas aboard the Imperial Majesty cruise lines. > 3days/2nights in Orlando. > 3days/2nights in Branson MO. > 3days/2nights in Williamsburg Virginia. > 3days/2nights in Las Vegas Nevada. > > CLICK HERE! > http://2742890245 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** **************** > We are linked to plenty of websites that offer free subscriptions to our mailing list. > You are on our mailing list because you have subscribed at one of our associate web sites, > sent us email or we have a previous online relationship. This is a one time mailing to > qualified individuals and if you request to have your email address removed from our list > please reply to advisor@ffcipromo.com with the word REMOVE included. Your request to be > removed will be evaluated and executed within 24 hours. God bless, have a great day! > **************************************************************************** **************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 15 07:01:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 06:55:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #96 built 2000-Feb-14) X-Path: MAIL.AOC.STATE.KY.US!KitW From: "Walden, Kit" To: mschatee@juno.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Artists Collaboration Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:37:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Caren, I would definitely wrap it in more than bubble wrap and cardboard. Although it isn't large, it will still need the support and structure, and I recommend you use a hard-sided suitcase or get a wooden crate built. We made a 2'x3' window for my sister's wedding last year and carried it to Ireland. Fortunately my sister's boyfriend made a wooden crate and foamed the inside. The airlines were wonderful about letting us do last on, first off on each flight. At 16" x 19", you should probably be able to carry it onboard, but why risk breakage? good luck! kit Tuilelaith's Stained Glass > -----Original Message----- > From: mschatee@juno.com [SMTP:mschatee@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 10:03 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Artists Collaboration > > Several months ago I was talking about my grandmother who is an artist > and someone, I wish I could remember who, suggested I collaborate with > her and do her artwork in stained glass. Well several months > later....it's done. I am proud to say I took a drawing that she made for > me about 10 years ago, reworked the lines and made it. It was actually > easier than I thought it would be. THe hardest part was deciding what > not to put in and what glass to use. My grandmothers style is very > ecclectic and she uses many colors and designs, since glass doesn't come > in print patterns I had to find a combination of colors that reflected > her style. > Now my grandmother is going to be 86 in 2 weeks and since I am flying to > Florida on Saturday to visit with her I am going to give her the piece. > Has anyone had any trouble taking a stained glass panel as carry on on a > plane. It measures 16" x 19". I figure if I bubble wrap it and put it > in flat cardboard it should be safe as long as they let me bring it on. > Any feedback on this? > > I have a picture of this piece, it's not a great picture and doesn't show > all the colors too great, but if anyone would like to see it email me at > MsChatee@aol.com and I will be glad to share it with you. I have it in > AOL Buddy pictures so you won't have to download it. > > Thanks again to whoever it was that made the initial suggestion to > collaborate, my family is thrilled to have her artwork preserved in yet > one more medium. > Thanks, > Caren > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! 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Don’t Delay, A $495 Value( For A Limited Time) Order Now for only $79 ----------------- InfoBroker CD Order Form ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Complete and mail this form with payment Select a Payment Option __ Visa __ MastCard __Amex __Check __Money Order Select a Shipping Option __$9 Standard __$16 Overnight __$24 Outside USA TOTAL ENCLOSED: $______ CUSTOMER INFORMATION Name: ____________________________________________ Phone: ___________________________ Street: _____________________________________________________________________________ City: ____________________________________________ State: _______ Zip: __________________ CREDIT CARD NUMBER: ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ EXPIRATION DATE: ____ / ____ NAME ON CREDIT CARD: _________________________________________________________ BILLING ADDRESS: (If different from above) _________________________________________________________________________________ SIGNATURE: _____________________________________________________________________ OPTIONAL, you may choose to place your order on our secure voice mail system by calling 708) 562-1778 Send to: Resource Marketing 3013 S.Wolf Rd. #127 Westchester IL. 60154-5622 ************************************************************************************************** To be taken off of this listserver, Please include the word unsubscribe in the subject header to: 1889@myrealbox.com 2642@myrealbox 2900@myrealbox.com or call our automated line if full 800)860-1432 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 15 11:22:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:01:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Artists Collaboration Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk i once took a leaded 18"x24" panel across the country via air. i wrapped it in small bubble bubblewrap, sandwiched it with 2 pieces of 1/2" plywood, screwed the wood together, and put paper around it. i took it carry-on, and placed it vertically in the hanging garment bag locker in first class. you'll want to make sure you fly on a large plane, as the smaller ones don't have one of these. there's also a thin place behind the last row of first class seats against the bulkhead that can be used for this. with the crackdown on large items in recent months, you may have trouble getting it as carry-on now. i moved mine about 6 years ago. make sure you look at it under the xray. i drew a large crowd of security people who thought it was really interesting. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: mschatee@juno.com [mailto:mschatee@juno.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:03 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Artists Collaboration Several months ago I was talking about my grandmother who is an artist and someone, I wish I could remember who, suggested I collaborate with her and do her artwork in stained glass. Well several months later....it's done. I am proud to say I took a drawing that she made for me about 10 years ago, reworked the lines and made it. It was actually easier than I thought it would be. THe hardest part was deciding what not to put in and what glass to use. My grandmothers style is very ecclectic and she uses many colors and designs, since glass doesn't come in print patterns I had to find a combination of colors that reflected her style. Now my grandmother is going to be 86 in 2 weeks and since I am flying to Florida on Saturday to visit with her I am going to give her the piece. Has anyone had any trouble taking a stained glass panel as carry on on a plane. It measures 16" x 19". I figure if I bubble wrap it and put it in flat cardboard it should be safe as long as they let me bring it on. Any feedback on this? I have a picture of this piece, it's not a great picture and doesn't show all the colors too great, but if anyone would like to see it email me at MsChatee@aol.com and I will be glad to share it with you. I have it in AOL Buddy pictures so you won't have to download it. Thanks again to whoever it was that made the initial suggestion to collaborate, my family is thrilled to have her artwork preserved in yet one more medium. Thanks, Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 15 18:30:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Another business question Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:29:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hello groups, Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing peanuts? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 06:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:35:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Credit Card Merchant Account Recommendations Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:32:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200002161432.JAA09861@ll.mit.edu> Precedence: bulk My wife's business is lampworked glass beads. (See www.nancytobey.com.) We are in need of ability to process credit-card orders at craft shows, phone orders, etc. We anticipate up to a few thousand $ in sales on certain months, with $0 in sales for some months. I'm looking into this but am overwhelmed by the results of my web search, with no way to know who to trust, etc. (I am naturally a suspicious person, but when it comes to web advertisers I know that, as often as not, the suspicion is warranted!) So, I am hoping to get some specfic recommendations from actual users, in similar business situations as our own, as to a reputable, very-low-cost company that we could use? We would need swipe capability (auto dialing, plug into phone outlet), as well as key number entry. An automated phone-in number would be desirable for those times when a sale is made when we don't have the machine with us. Is purchasing a machine as opposed to leasing a good idea? Do the machines become obsolete? Can a machine purchased for use with one processing company be made to work with a different company should we decide to change? Thanks for advice. I trust you actual craft people much more than a nameless web advertizer. (I guess I should try calling local banks too?) -- David C ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 07:31:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:05:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: side light Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:59:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20000216150338.VOFO3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Hello Bungi group, Thinking of doing my front door's side light. It is 6 inches across and almost 6 feet high. I will probably do it in foil. Will I need to reinforce this side light? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 09:01:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:31:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Another business question Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:42:10 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <200002161543.JAA03149@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search out a recycling place.....) Kaye --------------------- Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing peanuts? Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 09:34:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:10:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: yahoo.com!rg_keane From: HeeSun StainedGlass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Maryland Invitation Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:51:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Just wanted to pass along an invitation once again to all who are in MD or close to us to drop in this Saturday from 12 - 7 PM for our Anniversary sale & Customer Appreciation Day. If you want more information check out http://www.heesun.com/anniversary.htm Robert Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. 324 Main Street Reisterstown, MD 21136 410-833-3007 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 11:02:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:52:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: Maryland Invitation Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Robert, Hope you have a wonderful turn out. Wish I was up your way so I could drop in. Mabye in August. :-) Happy Anniversary!! Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: HeeSun StainedGlass To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:46 PM Subject: Maryland Invitation >Just wanted to pass along an invitation once again to >all who are in MD or close to us to drop in this >Saturday from 12 - 7 PM for our Anniversary sale & >Customer Appreciation Day. If you want more >information check out >http://www.heesun.com/anniversary.htm > >Robert >Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. >324 Main Street >Reisterstown, MD 21136 >410-833-3007 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 11:06:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:00:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: us.arthurandersen.com!bethanie.l.b.brown From: bethanie.l.b.brown@us.arthurandersen.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:40:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I just got this phone number in a package last night -- Call 1-800-828-2214 for the nearest Peanut Hotline Collection Site. This number is valid for sites around the U.S. ....Bethanie.... Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search out a recycling place.....) Kaye --------------------- Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing peanuts? Thanks in advance. Shirley B *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 12:03:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:58:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: thebeach.mv.com!Nancy From: "Nancy Mullins" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Most mailing centers will take your used peanuts! Some will even give store credit! ~ Nancy Mullins ~ Concord, NH ~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net ~ ICQ # 2974287 ~ Don't give someone a job to do and tell them how to do it, give it to them and watch how they do it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling > > > I just got this phone number in a package last night -- > > Call 1-800-828-2214 for the nearest Peanut Hotline Collection Site. This number > is valid for sites around the U.S. > > ....Bethanie.... > > > > Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in > my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search > out a recycling place.....) > > Kaye > --------------------- > Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing > peanuts? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you > are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of > the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to > Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my > firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 12:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: thebeach.mv.com!Nancy From: "Nancy Mullins" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Most mailing centers will take your used peanuts! Some will even give store credit! ~ Nancy Mullins ~ Concord, NH ~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net ~ ICQ # 2974287 ~ Don't give someone a job to do and tell them how to do it, give it to them and watch how they do it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling > > > I just got this phone number in a package last night -- > > Call 1-800-828-2214 for the nearest Peanut Hotline Collection Site. This number > is valid for sites around the U.S. > > ....Bethanie.... > > > > Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in > my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search > out a recycling place.....) > > Kaye > --------------------- > Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing > peanuts? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you > are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of > the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to > Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my > firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 12:22:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: thebeach.mv.com!Nancy From: "Nancy Mullins" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Most mailing centers will take your used peanuts! Some will even give store credit! ~ Nancy Mullins ~ Concord, NH ~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net ~ ICQ # 2974287 ~ Don't give someone a job to do and tell them how to do it, give it to them and watch how they do it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling > > > I just got this phone number in a package last night -- > > Call 1-800-828-2214 for the nearest Peanut Hotline Collection Site. This number > is valid for sites around the U.S. > > ....Bethanie.... > > > > Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in > my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search > out a recycling place.....) > > Kaye > --------------------- > Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing > peanuts? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you > are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of > the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to > Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my > firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 12:32:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:06:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: yahoo.com!rg_keane From: HeeSun StainedGlass To: Dee Thompson , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Maryland Invitation Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:03:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Check out our website for complete directions whether you are coming from the north or south. It should be fun and there is always ALOT to eat and see & this year there are a lot of free give aways. Hope to see everyone there. If this is not enough information on how to get here - just let me know & I'll get more info for you. http://www.heesun.com/directions.html --- Dee Thompson wrote: > > can you give directions from the beltway? I'm in > Savage and am totally > lost up your way.. > Thanks Dee > > At 08:51 AM 2/16/00 -0800, you wrote: > >Just wanted to pass along an invitation once again > to > >all who are in MD or close to us to drop in this > >Saturday from 12 - 7 PM for our Anniversary sale & > >Customer Appreciation Day. If you want more > >information check out > >http://www.heesun.com/anniversary.htm > > > >Robert > >Hee Sun Stained Glass, LTD. > >324 Main Street > >Reisterstown, MD 21136 > >410-833-3007 > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > >http://im.yahoo.com > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 13:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:02:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: thebeach.mv.com!Nancy From: "Nancy Mullins" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Most mailing centers will take your used peanuts! Some will even give store credit! ~ Nancy Mullins ~ Concord, NH ~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net ~ ICQ # 2974287 ~ Don't give someone a job to do and tell them how to do it, give it to them and watch how they do it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling > > > I just got this phone number in a package last night -- > > Call 1-800-828-2214 for the nearest Peanut Hotline Collection Site. This number > is valid for sites around the U.S. > > ....Bethanie.... > > > > Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in > my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search > out a recycling place.....) > > Kaye > --------------------- > Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing > peanuts? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you > are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of > the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to > Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my > firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 13:31:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: thebeach.mv.com!Nancy From: "Nancy Mullins" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Most mailing centers will take your used peanuts! Some will even give store credit! ~ Nancy Mullins ~ Concord, NH ~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net ~ ICQ # 2974287 ~ Don't give someone a job to do and tell them how to do it, give it to them and watch how they do it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Polystyrene Peanut Recycling > > > I just got this phone number in a package last night -- > > Call 1-800-828-2214 for the nearest Peanut Hotline Collection Site. This number > is valid for sites around the U.S. > > ....Bethanie.... > > > > Boy, Shirley, wish you were closer! I've several trash bags full of them in > my basement that I'd *love* to get rid of! (I keep meaning to search > out a recycling place.....) > > Kaye > --------------------- > Does anyone know of a really inexpensive place to buy packing > peanuts? > Thanks in advance. > Shirley B > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > > > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you > are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of > the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. > In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to > Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my > firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 14:48:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: mtcon.net!shigbee From: "Shari" To: "Bungi" Subject: Need a wagon wheel design Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all! I've been asked to create a stained glass panel for a friend--he's asked for a "double wagon wheel" design. My immediately reaction is "Yeecchhh!" and "How nice--brown." That said, does anyone have a pattern or any ideas for a pattern and how to make this a tad nicer than just wagon wheels? Shari ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 15:19:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:00:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Venezuela Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:08:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Anyone on bungi in Venezuela? If so, please email me off list. Or if you know of a studio/retail suppliers there? Thanks. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 17:00:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:53:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: aol.com!Pixie8613 From: Pixie8613@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: remove Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:51:14 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk remove pixie8613@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 18:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:23:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com, gjr@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_84.190fac8.25dcb553_boundary" Subject: Fwd: Stained Glass Email Forum Inquiry Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:22:11 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_84.190fac8.25dcb553_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I received this e-mail today,... wondered if anyone of you Northerners, could give her a tip as to where she could get some scrap. Anne RE: where to find > Val McNab (c.mcnab@sk.sympatico.ca) > sent the following message to this forum... > > I would really like to do a stained glass mosaic project with my grade 9 > Arts Ed students. Tight budgets make it impossible to buy large amounts of > stained glass. I would like to buy a bucket of mixed glass pieces for my > students to use in a project such as a garden stepping stone. Can you help me > make contact with someone who may help further my quest in this matter? I > live in Oxbow, SK, Canada, we are located 300 km southeast of Regina, SK and > 150 km north of Minot, North Dakota. Names, addresses (both post office and e- > mail), phone numbers, costs, would be nice to receive. yours truely, Val > McNab > > --- END OF MESSAGE ---------------- > > --part1_84.190fac8.25dcb553_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:55 -0500 Received: from ns.recycle.net (ns.recycle.net [207.245.212.98]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:40 -0500 Received: from ns3.recycle.net (ns3.recycle.net [207.245.212.124]) by ns.recycle.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA68305 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from recycle@ns3.recycle.net) Received: (from recycle@localhost) by ns3.recycle.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id RAA35847 for Matrona@aol.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from recycle) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002162215.RAA35847@ns3.recycle.net> To: Matrona@aol.com From: c.mcnab@sk.sympatico.ca (Val McNab) Reply-To: c.mcnab@sk.sympatico.ca (Val McNab) Subject: Stained Glass Email Forum Inquiry -------------------------------------------------------------- As a subscriber to the House of Glass Email Forum you receive e-mail messages which are submitted to the Stained Glass forum. The following inquiry/message was made to the forum. If this message is of no interest to you, simply disregard it --- START OF MESSAGE ----------------------- RE: where to find Val McNab (c.mcnab@sk.sympatico.ca) sent the following message to this forum... I would really like to do a stained glass mosaic project with my grade 9 Arts Ed students. Tight budgets make it impossible to buy large amounts of stained glass. I would like to buy a bucket of mixed glass pieces for my students to use in a project such as a garden stepping stone. Can you help me make contact with someone who may help further my quest in this matter? I live in Oxbow, SK, Canada, we are located 300 km southeast of Regina, SK and 150 km north of Minot, North Dakota. Names, addresses (both post office and e-mail), phone numbers, costs, would be nice to receive. yours truely, Val McNab --- END OF MESSAGE ---------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- If you have any questions regarding the the services provided by House of Glass, please feel free to contact: Terry Millie (sales@glass.cooksmill.com), Jamie Roszel (webmaster@cooksmill.com) at our sales office. Tel. 519-767-2913. www.cooksmill.com/glass -------------------------------------------------------------- --part1_84.190fac8.25dcb553_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 16 21:29:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:06:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: bellsouth.net!hightec From: "Tim Sengstock" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:05:22 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk There are so many different bulk email software packages to choose from. So I know what you are probably thinking. Which bulk email software is the easiest to use? Which bulk email software is the fastest and most affordable? 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Check out our site: http://www.tlp-enterprises.com Sincerely, Tim Sengstock TLP-Enterprises.com http://www.tlp-enterprises.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 08:59:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:56:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: earthlink.net!crystalangl From: "Carol DeLong" To: , , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Stained Glass Email Forum Inquiry Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:02:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I am inthe South, however, there are a lot of "larger" studios where church windows are made, and they are happy to offer free scrap glass for schools, etc. Might check the yellow pages. Hope this helps! Carol D ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:22 PM Subject: Fwd: Stained Glass Email Forum Inquiry > >I received this e-mail today,... wondered if anyone of you Northerners, > could give her a tip as to where she could get some scrap. > Anne > > RE: where to find > > Val McNab (c.mcnab@sk.sympatico.ca) > > sent the following message to this forum... > > > > I would really like to do a stained glass mosaic project with my grade 9 > > Arts Ed students. Tight budgets make it impossible to buy large amounts of > > stained glass. I would like to buy a bucket of mixed glass pieces for my > > students to use in a project such as a garden stepping stone. Can you help > me > > make contact with someone who may help further my quest in this matter? I > > live in Oxbow, SK, Canada, we are located 300 km southeast of Regina, SK > and > > 150 km north of Minot, North Dakota. Names, addresses (both post office and > e- > > mail), phone numbers, costs, would be nice to receive. yours truely, Val > > McNab > > > > --- END OF MESSAGE ---------------- > > > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 11:25:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:00:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: appleonline.net!anne-walker From: anne walker To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: to all uk users from stained glass news Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:00:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I received this warning from stained glass news uk If you receive an e-mail headed "HOW TO GIVE A CAT A COLONIC", DO NOT open it, as it contains a Virus for which there is no cure. WOBBLER is on the loose. It will arrive on e-mail titled "HOW TO GIVE A CAT A COLONIC". IBM and AOL have announced that it is very powerful, more so than Melissa. There is no remedy. It will eat all the information on your hard drive and also destroys Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. Do not open anything with this title and please pass this message on to all your contacts and anyone who uses your e-mail facility. Please practice cautionary measures and forward this to all your online friends. We have received this virus warning from what we believe is an impeccable source, so please take it seriously. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 13:31:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "anne walker" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ANOTHER HOAX (was:to all uk users from stained glass news) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk This is a hoax. PLEASE CHECK THIS KIND OF THING OUT BEFORE YOU SEND IT ON. Not only is it wasteful and disrepectful, you're giving us Walkers a bad name. Url with info about hoax is at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/give.a.cat.a.colonic.hoax.html Thank you. Brad Walker ----- Original Message ----- From: anne walker To: Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: to all uk users from stained glass news > I received this warning from stained glass news uk > > If you receive an e-mail headed "HOW TO GIVE A CAT A COLONIC", DO NOT > open > it, as it contains a Virus for which there is no cure. WOBBLER is on the > loose. > It will arrive on e-mail titled "HOW TO GIVE A CAT A COLONIC". > > IBM and AOL have announced that it is very powerful, more so than > Melissa. There is no remedy. It will eat all the > information on your hard drive and also destroys Netscape Navigator and > Microsoft Internet Explorer. Do not open anything > with this title and please pass this message on to all your contacts and > anyone who uses your e-mail facility. Please practice > cautionary measures and forward this to all your online friends. > > We have received this virus warning from what we believe is an > impeccable source, so please take it seriously. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 13:31:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: hotmail.com!wankerxpi From: "john smith" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: a word of caution.... Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:21:53 MST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Some of you may have noticed the ad in the Stained Glass Journal of America which is as follows: ARIA STAINED GLASS, based in Galway, Ireland, requires experienced stained glass workers. This is an opportunity to create new works as well as restore some of Ireland's most prestigious windows. I would like to offer a word of caution to anyone thinking of taking up this position, privately of the list. by the way, what are the worst studios a few of you out in bungi land have worked in? I bet this on can compete.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 13:33:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:30:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Unsubscribe till after vacation Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:00:49 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Please take me off the list until I come home, I don't want to open a brimming mailbox. Thanks alot! To all of you who gave me traveling advice I wrapped my piece in 9 feet of bubble wrap, placed 2 pieces of moulding on both sides in opposite directions so it can't bend, then 9 more feet of bubble wrap. A half a roll of packing tape, cardboard, rope and I am all set! I don't think I could break it if I tried. Now to befriend the flight attendents to tuck it away safely. I'll see you all when I get back and I'll tell you my grandmothers reaction! Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 13:52:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:31:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: anne walker Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: NG: Cat Colonic Virus Hoax Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:50:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, anne walker wrote: > I received this warning from stained glass news uk > If you receive an e-mail headed "HOW TO GIVE A CAT A COLONIC", DO NOT >MAJOR SNIP< > We have received this virus warning from what we believe is an > impeccable source, so please take it seriously. This is just another hoax. It is best to investigate all virus warnings you receive prior to posting them to a mailing list (for that matter before passing them along to anyone). Check out: http://www.F-Secure.com/hoaxes/catcolon.htm Save that link and use it to check future virus warnings. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 14:03:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Need a wagon wheel design Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:52:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shari" >My immediately reaction is "Yeecchhh!" and "How nice--brown." That said,= does anyone have a pattern or any ideas for a pattern and how to make thi= s a tad nicer than just wagon wheels?< Put something interesting in the background which you can see through the= wagon wheels. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 18:10:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:06:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: milu.ipn.pt!abillings From: milu.ipn.pt!abillings To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu Feb 17 18:05:28 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Oprah, Nightline, Maria Shriver, 48 Hours, 20/20, Playboy, Kiplingers and more have all interviewed this famous Private Investigator. 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Thank you for your time and interest. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 19:12:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:01:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "Bungi" , "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: membership Date: Thu, 17 Feb 00 19:38:36 Message-ID: <200002180238.TAA23886@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Christie, did you find my membership information yet? I'm still waiting for my packet and it's been about 6 wks. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 17 21:46:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:32:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: [ng] Spam Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:27:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Would someone care to enlighten me about the "gatewayed mail messages"? Sometimes they seem legitimate postings, and others like the latest are pure spam. Is it a conscious act (on the part of a Bungi member) to gateway a message? Since most email underpinnings take place fairly transparently, so the users don't see it, why would something alter the original subject, other than to use RE for reply, or FWD for forward? I never see this gatewayed stuff on any of the dozen or so lists I use at home or work. (Never see as much spam either, for that matter.) - Cec whose current goal in life is to become the first female curmudgeon! -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 18 01:20:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:08:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: eurovarit.inet.fi!taava.saarelainen From: "Taava Saarelainen" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:04:34 +0200 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk hi ! I don=B4t want to have any e-mails from this link anymore !!! Can you delete my e-mail address from your list, please ??? Pls confirm=20 Taava Saarelainen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 18 04:55:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 04:51:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Need a wagon wheel design Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk CKE puts out a pretty good Wagon Wheel Pattern ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 18 05:02:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 04:55:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: mindspring.com!rcollins1 From: Robert Collins To: Candy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: membership Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<200002180238.TAA23886@mantis.privatei.com>> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk Me too! What Package? I sure hope there are chocolates in it. I need a pick me up. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 18 12:24:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:11:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: aol.com!Carlross From: Carlross@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:09:04 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk please remove me from your mailing list, I go to school now and can't keep up with all the mail Carl Ross Carlross@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 18 13:38:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:27:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: side light Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:25:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000216150338.VOFO3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk No, at only six inches wide you should not need to reinforce it. More important will be the glazing / mounting techniques. Remember, almost all houses shift and settle over time and change with the seasons. It would take only a very small change in the square-ness of the side light frame to create significant stress through the six foot length of the panel. The panel should be mounted such that it is held firmly yet can still shift. The panel should NOT be tight against the inside of the frame. Instead there should be some gap around the panel then something to hold it in position that is still flexible enough to "give" before the glass cracks. Caulking cord, glaziers tape, many forms of caulk or putty, the outside channel of an "H" came, properly mounted glaziers points, and many other techniques can fit this requirement. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lorley Oneyear To: Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: side light > Hello Bungi group, Thinking of doing my front door's side light. It is 6 > inches across and almost 6 feet high. I will probably do it in foil. Will I > need to reinforce this side light? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 18 15:00:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:44:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: aol.com!GDevall999 From: GDevall999@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: unsubscribe me Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:42:21 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk please take me off of the mailing list. thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 19 06:31:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 06:23:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: email.msn.com!jenkst From: "jenks" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass etching Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:18:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF7ABA.3F51E2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm looking for glass = etching information. I need tools, patterns, catalogs, etc. =20 I realize this may not be your specialty craft. But I'm having a very = difficult finding what I need. I'm hoping someone has some ideas for = me. I can be reached at jenkst@msn.com THANKS! Terri=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF7ABA.3F51E2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF7ABA.3F51E2A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 19 13:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:11:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lead and pregnancy PS Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:07:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks Sparks. Thing is, I cant take all the credit. Smart pediatrician too. I keep an eye on my lead level, better watch the kids too. They hang out with me a lot. I feel like a walking contaminant somedays! ;o) Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/8/00 7:59:00 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: > > >We owned a home that was built in 1924. There was a spot I found that > >he liked to put his mouth. I assume it felt good on his gums. I > >wrapped it with cloth and tied it up with string. His lead levels > >immediately started dropping. > > Lucky young man to have such a smart mom! Friends of one of my brothers back > in the 70s didn't catch on as quickly, and their baby daughter ended up with > facial deformities in addition to brain damage. > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 19 14:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:32:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: aol.com!JESSEM9000 From: JESSEM9000@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com (Bungi) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: remove Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:31:21 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk remove Jessem@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 19 15:07:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:47:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #97 built 2000-Feb-15) X-Path: foxinternet.net!lin From: "lin" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: help! Please! Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:51:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I know what I did was REALLY stupid and a basic no-no so please be kind in your responses getting me out of my fix............ I built a leaded window (about 2'X3' oval) and soldered one side..... I stopped for lunch after I gave the thing a quick clean with simple green.... Well, life fell completely apart and I never got back to the window until now, it is weeks later......... needless to say, a "quick clean" does not remove everything and the lead now has black (not the good kind) everywhere. It looks like I can remove it with steel wool but I don't know what all this is going to do to the final finish and, I have no idea what the other side looks like.... I am not a neat fluxer - I expect there were probably puddles. Before I go forward (to finish soldering this side and flip to the next), I wanted some of your words of wisdom. I am so afraid that you are going to tell me to tear it apart and start over again - which I will do if I need to............. Help Please! TIA layla ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 19 20:34:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:20:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: help! Please! Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:07:02 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/19/00 3:08:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, lin@foxinternet.net writes: > I built a leaded window (about 2'X3' oval) and soldered one side..... I > stopped for lunch after I gave the thing a quick clean with simple green... > Well, life fell completely apart and I never got back to the window until > now, it is weeks later......... needless to say, a "quick clean" does not > remove everything and the lead now has black Not a big problem but you will need a steel brush made for lead clean up. Most any stained glass outlet sells these brushes for about US$1.00. Just scrub each lead joint for a few seconds, flux and solder. The second side likely has black corrosion at many of the joints. Also scrub them with the steel brush. Any lead that is not bright and shinny needs to be steel brush scrubbed before soldering. Steel wool does not seem to do the job, brass brushes and steel brushes made for weld clean up are to stiff. You might find the correct brush at an ordinary hardware store also. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 07:06:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:50:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!agacic From: Alex Gacic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Border for round panel Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:50:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone I am going to be building two 22" round panels. I want the lines to be fine so I'll be doing it with copper foil. The panels will be set into existing round windows and held in place with several stops. I would like some ideas on the type of border to use. Would a 1/4 zinc channel be adequate? If I go with something larger would the radius be difficult to bend and conform to the panel. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 08:49:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:33:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: Alex Gacic , glass Subject: Re: Border for round panel Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:33:01 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Border for round panel" on Feb 20, 6:50, Alex Gacic writes:] > I am going to be building two 22" round panels. I > want the lines to be fine so I'll be doing it with > copper foil. The panels will be set into existing > round windows and held in place with several stops. > > I would like some ideas on the type of border to use. > Would a 1/4 zinc channel be adequate? If I go with > something larger would the radius be difficult to bend > and conform to the panel. I've done several round panels and like to frame them with zinc came. I think a person could obtain a more finished look if they then frame (after the zinc) into an oak frame. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 09:05:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:41:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: help! Please! Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk And if you haven't used those brushes, you are going to look at them and think "Holy Moley! You CAN'T use those on glass! Or lead that is so soft you only have to look at it cross eyed to have a mark on it!" But really you can. It doesn't seem to scratch the glass or the lead. Amazing. And don't be gingerly about really scrubbing, althought as Bob says, it only takes a few seconds. And don't beat yourself up over leaving the project half done, unwashed, etc. Probably everyone has had that happen, sooner or later. - Cec Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/19/00 3:08:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lin@foxinternet.net writes: > > > I built a leaded window (about 2'X3' oval) and soldered one side..... I > > stopped for lunch after I gave the thing a quick clean with simple green... > > Well, life fell completely apart and I never got back to the window until > > now, it is weeks later......... needless to say, a "quick clean" does not > > remove everything and the lead now has black > > Not a big problem but you will need a steel brush made for lead clean up. > Most any stained glass outlet sells these brushes for about US$1.00. Just > scrub each lead joint for a few seconds, flux and solder. > > The second side likely has black corrosion at many of the joints. Also scrub > them with the steel brush. Any lead that is not bright and shinny needs to be > steel brush scrubbed before soldering. > > Steel wool does not seem to do the job, brass brushes and steel brushes made > for weld clean up are to stiff. You might find the correct brush at an > ordinary hardware store also. > > Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 09:23:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: glue chip Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20000220170226.PELH3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Using double glue chip for a background on a panel. Is there a "grain" to glue chip? Can I turn the glue chip any direction to fit?? Also, is there any preference to which side is on top, smooth or chipped ?? This particular panel will be hung on a wall framed in barn board. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 10:05:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:47:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Border for round panel Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Alex Gacic >I would like some ideas on the type of border to use. = Would a 1/4 zinc channel be adequate? If I go with something larger would the radius be difficult to bend and conform to the panel.< I would use a nice 1/4" lead channel for the border. It will easily conform to your radius, and can be trimmed if the window is not perfectly round. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 11:53:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:42:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Lorley Oneyear" , Subject: RE: glue chip Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:41:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000220170226.PELH3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk most gluechip doesn't have a grain. in some cases it has a grain. i usually splash it where ever it fits. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorley Oneyear [mailto:lorley@home.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 11:58 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: glue chip > > > Using double glue chip for a background on a panel. Is there a "grain" to > glue chip? Can I turn the glue chip any direction to fit?? > Also, is there > any preference to which side is on top, smooth or chipped ?? This > particular panel will be hung on a wall framed in barn board. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 14:57:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Alex Gacic Subject: Re: Border for round panel Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:32:22 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Alex Although Christe has suggested 1/4 inch round came would help in fitting the panel into the round opening, I would suggest something much more meaty. In fact, 1/2 inch lead came for the border would be best. It would be best, because the "round" opening will not be a perfect circle, like your panel will be. You need to be able to trim considerable amounts to make it fit well. The 1/2 came will be covered by the beading or putty filet anyway. It needs to be lead rather than zinc. Lead bends round the curve much more easily, and is easily soldered to the main panel. In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Alex Gacic writes >Hi everyone > >I am going to be building two 22" round panels. I >want the lines to be fine so I'll be doing it with >copper foil. The panels will be set into existing >round windows and held in place with several stops. > >I would like some ideas on the type of border to use. >Would a 1/4 zinc channel be adequate? If I go with >something larger would the radius be difficult to bend >and conform to the panel. >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 15:27:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: foxinternet.net!lin From: "lin" To: "Cecily and Ralph Wood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: help! Please! Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:07:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Thanks ALL for your suggestions. Almost unanimous that, 1. I'm not the first, and 2. it can be repaired (only one person said to tear it apart and redo). I did take steel wool to the front side and the black vanished quickly. I had forgotten that I even have one of those wire brushes - my first instructor insisted on using it before every solder and my last instructor didn't like them at all (she didn't like steel wool even more because of the "flakes that rust"). she insisted on storing your lead appropriately, and proceeding with your work in the correct way so that oxidation(?!) was never a problem .......... I am going to go back to this as my only "to do" tomorrow so that I can insure getting the entire thing done. thanks again for all your kindness and good suggestions! layla ----- Original Message ----- Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > And if you haven't used those brushes, you are going to look at them and think > > "Holy Moley! > And don't beat yourself up over leaving the project half done, unwashed, etc. > Probably everyone has had that happen, sooner or later. - Cec > > Bobfuses@aol.com wrote: > > Not a big problem but you will need a steel brush made for lead clean up. > > Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 20 15:33:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:04:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #98 built 2000-Feb-19) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Lorley Oneyear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glue chip Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:05:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000220170226.PELH3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk Lorley Oneyear wrote: > Using double glue chip for a background on a panel. Is there a "grain" to > glue chip? Can I turn the glue chip any direction to fit?? Also, is there > any preference to which side is on top, smooth or chipped ?? This > particular panel will be hung on a wall framed in barn board. Hi Loreley, Glue chip glass is a general term. It is simply glass (clear or colored, tempered or antique or rolled, whatever ...) to which a specific surface treatment has been applied. Any glass of any type can be used to make glue chip glass. A mixture of chemicals called animal hide glue has been applied to the the surface of the glass (generally one side) and allowed to "dry". During the drying process (actually polymerization) the glue bonds quite strongly by hydrogen bonds first to the surface of the glass and at the same time forms internal fibers by internal crosslinking which contract as the fibers dehydrate [as the solvent (water) evaporates]. The fibers pull out wide but not deep chunks of the surface of the glass forming the pattern we're all so fond of. The variables are the species of animal from which the glue was made, the glass itself, the concentration of the glue when applied to the glass, the temperature (drying speed) ... and so on. The cutting characteristics of the glue chip glass will simply be the cutting characteristics of the starting glass, whatever kind of glass that was. As I understand it, clear tempered glass of modern composition which has no 'grain' is usually (but not always) the starting material. You're probably using glue chip glass made from tempered glass (no "grain") but its not a given. HTH ...... Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 21 07:02:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:37:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #99 built 2000-Feb-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: "(IGGA members/suppliers)" < (info@aiap.com)> Subject: The Art of Painting on Glass [adv] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 05:50:50 +0000 Message-ID: <200002211432.JAA19037@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Exciting news: Albinus Elskus' "The Art of Painting on Glass," which has long been recognized as the best book on glass painting ever published, is being reprinted! It'll be available in mid-March. I can't tell you how many times over the past few years I've recommended this book, only to have to say, "Unfortunately, it's very difficult to find, since it's been out of print for years." What a relief to be able to simply recommend it and say, "Get it!" Take a look at http://www.aiap.com/elskus.htm for more information about the book. And don't forget that IGGA members get a 10% discount, so be sure to check that box if you are a member of IGGA and want to reserve a copy of "The Art of Painting on Glass" for yourself. Albert Albert Lewis Art in Architecture Press 54 Cherry Street, North Adams MA 01247 (413) 663-7946 Fax: (413) 663-7167 Home page: http://www.aiap.com -------------------------------------- Search easily among 2,300+ glass books ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 21 08:36:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:26:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #99 built 2000-Feb-20) X-Path: home.com!lorley From: Lorley Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: came Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:14:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20000221161848.YKYQ3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a> Precedence: bulk Does came go bad?? I have a lot of (un stretched) came stored flat in PVC pipes. Each size marked and stored separately. I started out using came and gradually shifted over to foil. Now I'm thinking of doing a lead project again. Is there any reason this old came can't be used ?? It looks OK. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 21 12:13:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:02:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #99 built 2000-Feb-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Lorley Oneyear Subject: Re: came Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:50:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<20000221161848.YKYQ3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>> Precedence: bulk Yes it can be used. After some years it has an oxidisation layer (corrosion), but this can be scraped off at the joints for fluxing and soldering. It is just dirtier. Steve In message <20000221161848.YKYQ3015.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@cx795941-a>, Lorley Oneyear writes >Does came go bad?? I have a lot of (un stretched) came stored flat in PVC >pipes. Each size marked and stored separately. I started out using came and >gradually shifted over to foil. Now I'm thinking of doing a lead project >again. Is there any reason this old came can't be used ?? It looks OK. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 21 14:32:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:20:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #99 built 2000-Feb-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: glue chip Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:16:41 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/20/00 12:23:49 PM, lorley@home.com writes: > Is there a "grain" to glue chip? Depends on which way you look at it. Technically no, especially if you're dealing with "double" glue chip (which is literally chipped twice, it has two coats of animal-hide glue applied and removed), but if you look closely (particularly in single glue chip) you may see that the "vanes" of the "feathers" of it *tend* to go in one direction in specific areas, but generally not overwhelmingly so. In double glue chip the "direction" is generally pretty random.......... I've seen the "prevailing direction" of "single" glue chip used effectively though, in a case where the artist used not-so-big pieces to build a set of leaded windows. (If the guy ever sells his house, I want it! Never mind that (1) I couldn't afford it and (2) it would be a 2-hour commute to amost every place I need to go............... the windows alone are worth it.........) >Can I turn the glue chip any direction to fit?? It all depends on your preference. If you're a real stickler and you have a full sheet at your disposal, you can lay out and cut your pieces so they "tend" in a particular direction for effect. >Also, is there >any preference to which side is on top, smooth or chipped ?? Most people use the "smooth side up." But depending on the specific piece you're making, you might want to use the "chipped side up" (if you're combining it with glue chip bevels, which have the chipping on top," f'rinstance). But as they say, chacon a son gout. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 21 15:31:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:17:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #99 built 2000-Feb-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: tempered glass, was Re: glue chip Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:16:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/20/00 6:34:03 PM, ezbongo2@pacbell.net writes: >As I >understand it, clear tempered glass of modern composition which has no >'grain' is usually (but not always) the starting material. I doubt that it's tempered glass, which is specially hardened, generally by quick cooling (also known as "quenching"), which "freezes" (and thus compresses) its surface structure and thereby creates internal stresses that add to its hardness but unfortunately make it paticularly susceptible to certain specific external stresses. It's glass under pressure - the quick cooling and resultant shrinking of the surface compresses the interior and makes it denser and thus harder and more impact-resistant. But if you score and try to break it, it'll either not break at all or explode into a gazillion pieces (sometimes just scoring it will do that, without benefit of running pliers............... you think a sheet of badly annealed Yough blowing up is spectacular??????). I can't remember who the guy was (in Germany, I think) who created "drops" of tempered glass that look like polliwogs/tadpoles (OK, sperm, but I didn't say that!!!!!!!!!!!) by dropping them in a bucket of water while they were still glowing red hot - you can take a sledge hammer to the "bodies" of the things and they'll remain intact, but if you mess with the "tails" at all (even a scratch), the whole "drop" will explode into powder. (My other half, looking over my shoulder, says, "those sound like micro-Chihulys." OK, so he's been hanging out with me too long..............) I ain't goin' there - if ever I need tempered glass in a certain size/shape, I'll go to the commercial glazier around the corner. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 10:46:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:58:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #100 built 2000-Feb-21) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Prince Rupert's Tears Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:56:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk here's a definition i found on the web: (Prince Rupert's Tears) Chemically tempered glass. You immerse the object in a molten salt bath containing large monovalent cations and ion exchange the glass surface, creating immense compressive forces. Prince Rupert's Tears are created by dripping molten soda lime glass into ice water. The surface solidifies, the interior cools and contracts. You can wang on them with a sledge hammer to no effect, but if you crack the thin tail or scratch the surface the drop explodes into dust. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 3:17 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: tempered glass, was Re: glue chip In a message dated 2/20/00 6:34:03 PM, ezbongo2@pacbell.net writes: >As I >understand it, clear tempered glass of modern composition which has no >'grain' is usually (but not always) the starting material. I doubt that it's tempered glass, which is specially hardened, generally by quick cooling (also known as "quenching"), which "freezes" (and thus compresses) its surface structure and thereby creates internal stresses that add to its hardness but unfortunately make it paticularly susceptible to certain specific external stresses. It's glass under pressure - the quick cooling and resultant shrinking of the surface compresses the interior and makes it denser and thus harder and more impact-resistant. But if you score and try to break it, it'll either not break at all or explode into a gazillion pieces (sometimes just scoring it will do that, without benefit of running pliers............... you think a sheet of badly annealed Yough blowing up is spectacular??????). I can't remember who the guy was (in Germany, I think) who created "drops" of tempered glass that look like polliwogs/tadpoles (OK, sperm, but I didn't say that!!!!!!!!!!!) by dropping them in a bucket of water while they were still glowing red hot - you can take a sledge hammer to the "bodies" of the things and they'll remain intact, but if you mess with the "tails" at all (even a scratch), the whole "drop" will explode into powder. (My other half, looking over my shoulder, says, "those sound like micro-Chihulys." OK, so he's been hanging out with me too long..............) I ain't goin' there - if ever I need tempered glass in a certain size/shape, I'll go to the commercial glazier around the corner. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 11:36:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #100 built 2000-Feb-21) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: came Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:05:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Lorley Oneyear >Does came go bad?? I have a lot of (un stretched) came stored flat in P= VC pipes. Each size marked and stored separately. I started out using came a= nd gradually shifted over to foil. Now I'm thinking of doing a lead project again. Is there any reason this old came can't be used ?? It looks OK.< If the came still looks good, then use it. I have had to work with some very, very cruddy old, old lead came, and it's no fun, believe me. I have no idea how old the lead was, but it could have been stored in its original shipping box for up to 30 years or more, in a studio which never was cleaned. So....needless to say....it was a bear to work with. We ended up having to take a knife and scrape away the corroded layer from the solder points, just to get the solder to hold. And it certainly was not clean enough to do something like take an electroplate. But...you can use it. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 11:41:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:15:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #100 built 2000-Feb-21) X-Path: warmglass.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Prince Rupert's Tears Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk <<> (Prince Rupert's Tears) Chemically tempered glass. You immerse the object > in a molten salt bath containing large monovalent cations and ion exchange > the glass surface, creating immense compressive forces. So what are "monovalent cations" and how do I "ion exchange the glass surface"??? 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*To: Gisela Breece at MIHQ *To: "'Mom & Dad'" at MIHQ *To: "'Mushy'" at MIHQ *To: "'Paul Viscomi'" at MIHQ *To: Robert Dolan at MIHQ *To: "'Ronnie'" at MIHQ *To: "'Valerie Raccuglia'" at MIHQ *To: "'Vincent'" at MIHQ Subject: FW: -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01BF7D29.79B1F4A0-- --------------D7B3C50EEAC337F936E5627D-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 15:52:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #101 built 2000-Feb-22) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: IGGA Press Release:UrbanGlass 3rd Annual Glass Bead Expo Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:35:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk The following press release is provided as a service to the members of the International Guild of Glass Artists. It is not necessarily an endorsement. For more information about joining IGGA, please visit our web site at www.igga.org. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director ------------------------------------------ UrbanGlass presents the Third Annual Glass Bead Expo... NYC's only glass bead show, where top glass bead artists will be selling their work and demonstrating their art. Come see this exciting craft firsthand in our studio. And learn how to use glass beads to make your own unique creations with all the latest books, tools and supplies from SoftFlex Company. They'll have demonstrations and plenty of good advice. Come to UrbanGlass and start your own glass bead collection! March 11-12, 10 am - 6 pm Admission: $2.00 UrbanGlass, 647 Fulton Street, Brooklyn, NY 11217 USA Entrance at 57 Rockwell Place, phone 718-625-3685 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 16:56:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:37:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #101 built 2000-Feb-22) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Prince Rupert's Tears Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:23:20 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/22/00 2:41:42 PM, mbwalker@warmglass.com writes: >So what are "monovalent cations" and how do I "ion exchange the glass >surface"??? Things like sodium, potassium, et al. that form ionic salts. When the salts dissolve in water, the metal ions "lose" an electron and have a charge of +1 (the other half of the salt, a chlorine atom for instance, takes up the "extra" electron and becomes a chloride ion with a charge of -1). Positively charged ions are "cations," negatively charged ones are "anions." (Both are pronounced as if they have a hyphen before the "ion" part.) As for exactly how the ion exchange is done, I'll leave that to someone else whose knowledge of chemistry is current - I've been out of the field for over 20 years. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 18:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:52:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #101 built 2000-Feb-22) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:51:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk anyone been here and tried it yet? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: kumpf <@on-ramp.net> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! > The new official chatroom is now up and running very well. > Yesterday a large number regulars from rec.crafts.glass newgroup stopped > by. Thanks to everyone here for all the great advice. Hope to see you > in the chatroom soon. > Best Luck in Glass, > Adam Kumpf > Chanmail@on-ramp.net > > Chat at..... > http://glassart.1freespace.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 19:03:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #101 built 2000-Feb-22) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I went over there but the room was empty. :-( I guess I have that effect on people. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Howard To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:22 PM Subject: Fw: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! > >anyone been here and tried it yet? > >Howard >----- Original Message ----- >From: kumpf <@on-ramp.net> >Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 12:01 PM >Subject: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! > > >> The new official chatroom is now up and running very well. >> Yesterday a large number regulars from rec.crafts.glass newgroup stopped >> by. Thanks to everyone here for all the great advice. Hope to see you >> in the chatroom soon. >> Best Luck in Glass, >> Adam Kumpf >> Chanmail@on-ramp.net >> >> Chat at..... >> http://glassart.1freespace.com >> > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 22 21:28:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:15:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #101 built 2000-Feb-22) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Linda Jo Letscher" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:15:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk It was empty when I visited, too. Twice. Brad Walker ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:32 PM Subject: Re: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! > I went over there but the room was empty. :-( I guess I have that effect > on people. > Linda Jo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:22 PM > Subject: Fw: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! > > > > > >anyone been here and tried it yet? > > > >Howard > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: kumpf <@on-ramp.net> > >Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass > >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 12:01 PM > >Subject: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! > > > > > >> The new official chatroom is now up and running very well. > >> Yesterday a large number regulars from rec.crafts.glass newgroup stopped > >> by. Thanks to everyone here for all the great advice. Hope to see you > >> in the chatroom soon. > >> Best Luck in Glass, > >> Adam Kumpf > >> Chanmail@on-ramp.net > >> > >> Chat at..... > >> http://glassart.1freespace.com > >> > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 23 21:02:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:49:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: thecomputer.co.uk!kay From: "Kay Lawrence" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and a book to learn by trial and error. I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make enquiries here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with elements in the side wall only. How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what type of controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years but would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. Many thanks Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 23 22:04:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:49:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: tempered glass, was Re: glue chip Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:28:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/20/00 6:34:03 PM, ezbongo2@pacbell.net writes: > > >As I > >understand it, clear tempered glass of modern composition which has no > >'grain' is usually (but not always) the starting material. > > I doubt that it's tempered glass, which is specially hardened, Hi Sparks, You could be right. I've read stuff (don't ask me where, don't remember) that commercial glue chip is mostly tempered. Thing is : who knows if the person who wrote that knew what they were talking about? Still ... the original point I made is valid. Best regards ..... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 23 23:03:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:48:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:46:39 +0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Kay There is no reason why a ceramic cannot be used for glass work. I was lead to believe that in the begining but have since used a friend's kiln (ceramic) and the only thing to remember is to heat up more slowly and increase the anneal time. I am sure Brad will be able to give a more definitive answer. Right Brad. :-) Shakeel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Lawrence" To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: Buying a kiln in UK > I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to > attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and a > book to learn by trial and error. > > I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make enquiries > here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with elements in > the side wall only. > How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what type of > controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years but > would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. > > I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - > particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. > > Many thanks > Kay > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 01:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:29:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:57:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk At 12:47 24/02/00 -0000, Kay wrote: >I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to >attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and a >book to learn by trial and error. > >I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make enquiries >here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with elements in >the side wall only. If you have a budget of around 2000 pounds any stained glass supplier (including us here in Bournemouth) can easily order you a purpose made glass kiln with controller etc. If you are not intending to spend that kind of money (and many people are not until they decide they really do want to ocncentrate on kiln work) you might do better to get a secondhand ceramic or enamelling kiln to get started with and then do like my husband did when he started fusing glass 20 years ago and make your own. Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 02:03:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:37:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: CHATROOM RUNNING STRONG! Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:23:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > I went over there but the room was empty. Hi Linda, Why don't yall set a specific time slot ... and just go there everyday. Like office hours. Just an idea. Later ...... Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 06:53:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:35:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: "Kay Lawrence" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:10:29 -0000 Message-ID: <200002241420.e1OEKQt08076@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Hello Kay.... and other lurking UK Bunginians... There IS a company making glass kilns, located not far from the Middlesex Hospital, east-bound on the North Circular Road in London. If I remember correctly, they are called Kiln Craft. I went to see them about six months ago with a potter friend of mine (who wanted a ceramic kiln). You would need to budget for UK Sterling 1200 (+VAT) for a small basic kiln with no furniture, pluse about another 800 (+ VAT) for the programmer, about another 300 for a pyrometer (+ VAT) and more for whatever the the shelves, ceramic spacers and initial kiln wash may cost. This is the cheapest and smallest glass kiln. (Delivery approx. 3 - 4 months). However, you could do what I did... ;-> I went to USA and with the help of a very dear s.g. American friend of mine (BG), I obtained a kiln (and got a discount by being a member of IGGA), and then hand-carried it back to UK. Total cost approx. USD 550!!! This included the shelf furniture, kiln wash and pyrometer (but not the programmer - working on that one now), AND excess baggage on the plane. Should you later contemplate buying a kiln for yourself, you will need 240V and plug it in permanently to a powerpoint equivalent to a cooker point I am now holding experimental kiln workshops with and for my regular students. GREAT fun!! And I have continuous help, guidelines and advice from my friends Across The Pond. Would you care to join us?? Where are you? Am also trying to organize long week-end workshops for those living further away. Anyone in UK interested, get in touch with me off-group and we can talk more... Best Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (after a long absence, which has its reasons....) Kay wrote: > I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to > attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and a > book to learn by trial and error. > > I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make enquiries > here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with elements in > the side wall only. > How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what type of > controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years but > would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. > > I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - > particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. > > Many thanks > Kay > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 08:59:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:34:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:33:15 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/24/00 9:54:14 AM, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: >There IS a company making glass kilns, located not far from the >Middlesex Hospital, east-bound on the North Circular Road in >London. [...] You would need to budget for UK Sterling >1200 (+VAT) for a small basic kiln with no furniture, plus [...] > >However, you could do what I did... ;-> I went to USA [...] obtained a >kiln (and got a discount by being a member of IGGA), and then >hand-carried it back to UK. Total cost approx. USD 550!!! [...] Let's see..... the pound is running about $1.60 or so (too lazy to lookup exchange rates at the moment)? So you're talking around $1900 plus VAT for a "basic box" over there - but I wonder if, during the "off season" you may be able to find a good enough air fare deal to fly across the pond, do a couple of days of the "tourist thang," pick up your kiln, and fly home.......... and have a few bucks left over! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 09:32:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:04:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Shakeel Abedi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel's absolutely right. As she says: "just heat up more slowly." The Gil Reynolds fusing book suggests that you should heat up about two thirds as fast as you would in a kiln with top elements. By the way, you should be able to find a glass kiln in Europe. Creative Glass in Germany -- www.creative-glass.com -- distributes (no retail) glass kilns by Paragon, Vitigraph, Laser, and UTERM. Of those, Paragon is the best known. Kay, you might want to e-mail Creative Glass and ask them where in the UK you can buy the kilns. I don't know if Hetley or Bournemouth carry kilns, but suspect they could get one for you. I suspect there are other glass kiln distributors in Europe, but Creative is the only one I'm aware of. And good luck. Brad ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Shakeel Abedi To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK > Kay > > There is no reason why a ceramic cannot be used for glass work. I was lead > to believe that in the begining but have since used a friend's kiln > (ceramic) and the only thing to remember is to heat up more slowly and > increase the anneal time. > > I am sure Brad will be able to give a more definitive answer. Right Brad. > :-) > > Shakeel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Lawrence" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:47 PM > Subject: Buying a kiln in UK > > > > I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to > > attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and a > > book to learn by trial and error. > > > > I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make > enquiries > > here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with elements > in > > the side wall only. > > How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what type > of > > controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years but > > would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. > > > > I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - > > particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. > > > > Many thanks > > Kay > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 10:34:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:04:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:59:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/24/00 9:54:14 AM, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: > > >There IS a company making glass kilns, located not far from the > >Middlesex Hospital, east-bound on the North Circular Road in > >London. [...] You would need to budget for UK Sterling > >1200 (+VAT) for a small basic kiln with no furniture, plus [...] > > > >However, you could do what I did... ;-> I went to USA [...] obtained a > >kiln (and got a discount by being a member of IGGA), and then > >hand-carried it back to UK. Total cost approx. USD 550!!! [...] > > Let's see..... the pound is running about $1.60 or so (too lazy to lookup > exchange rates at the moment)? So you're talking around $1900 plus VAT for a > "basic box" over there - but I wonder if, during the "off season" you may be > able to find a good enough air fare deal to fly across the pond, do a couple > of days of the "tourist thang," pick up your kiln, and fly home.......... and > have a few bucks left over! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Sounds like a great idea to me. in Lakeland there is a company called Jen-Ken ( great kilns starting around $350 US or so.) Then theres the Mickey thing. Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 10:34:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:04:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <200002241807.e1OI7Rt25417@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Well, Sparks,....... ;-> I thought that was pretty obvious!! Mind you, I bought a lot of other things besides.... It's amazing what one can pick up in 2 months!! Looking forward to your next trip over here and our next "Parking Adventure"!! Keep smiling! Elisabeth 'n Toby ('n Meric too) in UK > > Let's see..... the pound is running about $1.60 or so (too lazy to lookup > exchange rates at the moment)? So you're talking around $1900 plus VAT for a > "basic box" over there - but I wonder if, during the "off season" you may be > able to find a good enough air fare deal to fly across the pond, do a couple > of days of the "tourist thang," pick up your kiln, and fly home.......... and > have a few bucks left over! > > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 11:02:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:34:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: Kay Lawrence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 03:56:50 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc Precedence: bulk Hi Kay, I'd suggest that over the course of time, you may well need a certain amount of technical support, and possibly additional supplies for your kiln. For that reason, it may make far more sense, to make your kiln purchase in the UK. I would also suggest, that you might wish to be on the look out for a used kiln, as there's less initial outlay, but most ceramic kilns fire much hotter than is necessary for fused glass, and at the higher temperatures, the kiln's elements (the electrical heating coils) do suffer some deterioration, and most ceramics folks, replace them on a regular basis. Side mounted elements, as opposed to top mounted elements as are more typical of dedicated glass kilns, tend to create a striated heating zone within the kiln. This means that the top portion of the kiln may be a good bit hotter than the bottom of the kiln. If you are going to use multiple kiln shelves, this would mean that any glass fused on the bottom shelves, would fuse differently than the glass on the top shelf, because of the temperature differential. Since glass fusing requires a bit better control of the heating process, and not the depth of heat required in ceramics work, top fired kilns tend to be shorter, and they often fire faster, because the kiln shelf is closer to the heating elements, which distribute the heat a bit more even across the glass and kiln shelf. But, this is not an ideal world, and many of us have done quite a bit of fusing and other kiln formed glass in ceramics kilns. You set up your kiln shelf so that it's about 1/3rd to 1/2 of the depth of the kiln. This allows for a bit better heat distribution over the top surface of the shelf, and thus the glass. You'll need to have a pyrometer, and set it up so that it measures the temperature at that particular location in the kiln. The same would apply to any kiln controller sensor, you need to have it positioned where the glass is going to be, at any other location, you won't have accurate readings. With used ceramics kilns, you'd need to examine the interior, and try to make sure that there are no fired glaze residues on the sides or bottom of the kiln, since such residues can continue to contaminate the atmosphere inside the kiln, and thus the glass. The up side to a ceramics kiln, is that it allows you to do some other techniques in kiln forming glass, sagging, slumping, and even glass casting to some extent. These techniques can take advantage of the side element positions, which also affords a bit more heat for such projects. There are numerous books on kiln formed glass, I can recommend any of the three by Boyce Lundstrom (if you can find them!), and there are others as well. Finally, keep really good notes, as you go through your firing cycles. Each kiln has its own particular characteristics, and only as you develop a good set of notes on firing temperatures, ramp up times, soaking times, cooling times, annealing times, will you be able to do repeatable fusing or kiln working of glass. It's a lot of fun, and always interesting to see what happens in the "magic" inside the kiln, so I'll encourage you to pursue this idea, as you have the resources and time to get involved with it. Peace -Gerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 11:03:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:55:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <200002241853.e1OIrft17967@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Lovely to hear from you Brad! Your Warm Glass WEB-page is really wonderful and I am exploring it from beginning to end. I regret not seeing 2 particular bookk references on your "Resources" list, namely Albinus Elskus book on glass painting, as well as the British s.g. Artist (par excellence) Patrick Reyntiens; I would also have liked to see the book by Malcolm Miller about "The Mecca for All Stained Glass Pilgrims", namely Chartres in France. I remember you asking me a while ago about books. If you haven't got the 2 European above that I listed, I will try and obtain them for you and send them to you for perusal. But surely, since you have added on painting on glass in your "WEB-Book", the Elskus book hopefully will find a place in your resources....... ? Coming back to Kays' problem; I myself visited the web-site of "Creative Glass", used their search feature and got nowhere. I put in about 8-10 different combinations of "kiln", including "paragon" and other names and got ZILCH. EliZabeth Law of Bournemouth Stained Glass offered HER knowledge and experience to Kay's dilemma. My own in-put crossed hers. Very roughly, what she said, matched fairly - ish closely with my own experience. She is a retailer - I am not. UK Sterling 2,000 plus almost 20 percent sales tax ..... is a lot of money here in the UK - basically for a box, a heap of bricks and some heating elements... As Sparks pointed out, the final price for a glass kiln (BASIC!) would cost us in UK US Dollars 4,000 ,. Yep, I could go for a bucket-flight to New York for a looooong week-end, have a great time, buy the kiln there, hand-carry it as excess luggage on the plane, eat oysters,, have taxi back home and STILL have a lot of dollars left over. The same kiln - if I lived in USA - would cost me less than US Dollars 400. Add then please, to the equation that UK wages is much lower than those in USA. The UK kiln manufacturers KNOW this. Somewhere, Someone, Somehow, SOMEONE is making a lot of money in importing "off- the-peg" glass kilns from USA to UK. UK DOES manufacture them - at a price. The price that Elizabeth Law in Bournemouth quotes is roughly right + sales tax and other costs. I have the bills for the kiln I bought in USA, together with the excess baggage bill from TWA and I have written quotes from UK manufacturers quoting for a virtually identical size and capacity kiln. Old-timer Bungi-folks will recognize the "Elisabeth-spirit" of condemning cost differentials between USA and Europe . The Old Viking rides again!!!! Passionately wanting to make stained glass "affordable" to folks in UK and Europe. Take care now. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > Shakeel's absolutely right. As she says: "just heat up more slowly." > > The Gil Reynolds fusing book suggests that you should heat up about two > thirds as fast as you would in a kiln with top elements. > > By the way, you should be able to find a glass kiln in Europe. Creative > Glass in Germany -- www.creative-glass.com -- distributes (no retail) > glass kilns by Paragon, Vitigraph, Laser, and UTERM. Of those, Paragon is > the best known. Kay, you might want to e-mail Creative Glass and ask them > where in the UK you can buy the kilns. I don't know if Hetley or > Bournemouth carry kilns, but suspect they could get one for you. I suspect > there are other glass kiln distributors in Europe, but Creative is the only > one I'm aware of. > > And good luck. > > Brad > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > For information about warm glass techniques and processes > such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit > the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shakeel Abedi > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:46 AM > Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK > > > > Kay > > > > There is no reason why a ceramic cannot be used for glass work. I was lead > > to believe that in the begining but have since used a friend's kiln > > (ceramic) and the only thing to remember is to heat up more slowly and > > increase the anneal time. > > > > I am sure Brad will be able to give a more definitive answer. Right Brad. > > :-) > > > > Shakeel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kay Lawrence" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:47 PM > > Subject: Buying a kiln in UK > > > > > > > I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to > > > attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and > a > > > book to learn by trial and error. > > > > > > I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make > > enquiries > > > here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with > elements > > in > > > the side wall only. > > > How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what > type > > of > > > controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years > but > > > would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. > > > > > > I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - > > > particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. > > > > > > Many thanks > > > Kay > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 12:33:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:25:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #103 built 2000-Feb-23) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <200002242022.e1OKMit10371@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Yup!! What more can I say!! If only I had the time and no commitments!! I'm glad you at least see the discrepancies!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Charlie Spitzer in UK wrote: > heck, sounds like a lucrative business to get into. what is the excess > baggage cost for 5 kilns? tell the 5 friends to pay your expenses, and pay > you the cost of it in the US, and just bring kilns back for them. > > regards, > charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:41 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK > > > Lovely to hear from you Brad! > > Your Warm Glass WEB-page is really wonderful and I am exploring > it from beginning to end. I regret not seeing 2 particular bookk > references on your "Resources" list, namely Albinus Elskus book > on glass painting, as well as the British s.g. Artist (par excellence) > Patrick Reyntiens; I would also have liked to see the book by > Malcolm Miller about "The Mecca for All Stained Glass Pilgrims", > namely Chartres in France. > I remember you asking me a while ago about books. If you haven't > got the 2 European above that I listed, I will try and obtain them for > you and send them to you for perusal. But surely, since you have > added on painting on glass in your "WEB-Book", the Elskus book > hopefully will find a place in your resources....... ? > > Coming back to Kays' problem; > I myself visited the web-site of "Creative Glass", used their search > feature and got nowhere. I put in about 8-10 different combinations > of "kiln", including "paragon" and other names and got ZILCH. > EliZabeth Law of Bournemouth Stained Glass offered HER > knowledge and experience to Kay's dilemma. My own in-put > crossed hers. Very roughly, what she said, matched fairly - ish > closely with my own experience. She is a retailer - I am not. > UK Sterling 2,000 plus almost 20 percent sales tax ..... is a lot of > money here in the UK - basically for a box, a heap of bricks and > some heating elements... > > As Sparks pointed out, the final price for a glass kiln (BASIC!) > would cost us in UK US Dollars 4,000 ,. Yep, I could go for a > bucket-flight to New York for a looooong week-end, have a great > time, buy the kiln there, hand-carry it as excess luggage on the > plane, eat oysters,, have taxi back home and STILL have a lot of > dollars left over. > The same kiln - if I lived in USA - would cost me less than US > Dollars 400. > Add then please, to the equation that UK wages is much lower > than those in USA. > > The UK kiln manufacturers KNOW this. Somewhere, Someone, > Somehow, SOMEONE is making a lot of money in importing "off- > the-peg" glass kilns from USA to UK. UK DOES manufacture them > - at a price. The price that Elizabeth Law in Bournemouth quotes is > roughly right + sales tax and other costs. I have the bills for the kiln > I bought in USA, together with the excess baggage bill from TWA > and I have written quotes from UK manufacturers quoting for a > virtually identical size and capacity kiln. > > Old-timer Bungi-folks will recognize the "Elisabeth-spirit" of > condemning cost differentials between USA and Europe . > The Old Viking rides again!!!! > Passionately wanting to make stained glass "affordable" to folks in > UK and Europe. > Take care now. > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > > > > Shakeel's absolutely right. As she says: "just heat up more slowly." > > > > The Gil Reynolds fusing book suggests that you should heat up about two > > thirds as fast as you would in a kiln with top elements. > > > > By the way, you should be able to find a glass kiln in Europe. Creative > > Glass in Germany -- www.creative-glass.com -- distributes (no retail) > > glass kilns by Paragon, Vitigraph, Laser, and UTERM. Of those, Paragon is > > the best known. Kay, you might want to e-mail Creative Glass and ask them > > where in the UK you can buy the kilns. I don't know if Hetley or > > Bournemouth carry kilns, but suspect they could get one for you. I > suspect > > there are other glass kiln distributors in Europe, but Creative is the > only > > one I'm aware of. > > > > And good luck. > > > > Brad > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------ > > For information about warm glass techniques and processes > > such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit > > the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Shakeel Abedi > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:46 AM > > Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK > > > > > > > Kay > > > > > > There is no reason why a ceramic cannot be used for glass work. I was > lead > > > to believe that in the begining but have since used a friend's kiln > > > (ceramic) and the only thing to remember is to heat up more slowly and > > > increase the anneal time. > > > > > > I am sure Brad will be able to give a more definitive answer. Right > Brad. > > > :-) > > > > > > Shakeel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kay Lawrence" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:47 PM > > > Subject: Buying a kiln in UK > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to > > > > attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln > and > > a > > > > book to learn by trial and error. > > > > > > > > I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make > > > enquiries > > > > here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with > > elements > > > in > > > > the side wall only. > > > > How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what > > type > > > of > > > > controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years > > but > > > > would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. > > > > > > > > I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - > > > > particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Kay > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 14:16:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:36:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Kay Lawrence Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:36:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Kay, Try Essex Kilns. They have new and reconditioned kilns of ceramic and glass types. Prices start at about 300 - 500. Programmable controllers incorporating a pyrometer start at about 400, so if you can get a kiln with one on it already for about 800, you have a good deal! My first kiln was a French ceramic one with a variable power control. It was a great learning curve, and has given me a knowledge of the basics of how to control a kiln "manually". It has proved to be a good education, although I almost always use a controller nowadays for convenience (I don't like late nights when I am 30 minutes by bicycle from home). Looking in the Exchange and Mart website (don't know the address) will show up a number of kilns. Several kiln builders also recondition kilns they have taken in part exchange. Ring them and ask. You can find out about them from the electronic yellow pages under ceramic equipment and supplies. Looking at the ceramic press will also show up a number of kilns for sale. Find your local ceramic studios and ask if any of them have spare kilns. Same for local glass studios. Have fun looking. Have more fun trying things out. Most glass studios which offer classes are doing fusing nowadays as well as the stained glass. Steve In message <1970Jan1.000.0@?>, Kay Lawrence writes >I'd like to get into working with hot glass but can't find anywhere to >attend classes. The only solution appears to be buying my own kiln and a >book to learn by trial and error. > >I've found lots of glass kilns for sale in the USA but when I make enquiries >here in the UK, the only kilns I can find are ceramic kilns with elements in >the side wall only. >How important is it to get one with elements in the lid? Also, what type of >controller do I need? I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years but >would now like to do fusing, slumping and fired painting on my glass. > >I really don't know where to begin so I 'd be grateful for any help - >particularly if it relates to UK suppliers and power supply etc. > >Many thanks >Kay > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 16:11:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cutters Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:08:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Ive been having trouble with my wrists lately. I've always used the Toyo TC 10 pencil style cutter. One of my good friends sent me a pistol grip thinking it might relieve some of my pain. I dont know how to hold it. Do you hold your fore finger over the top? Or do you just grip it and go. Feels so different to me I dont know what to do. Advice? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 17:40:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:14:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Howard , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cutters Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:01:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<00e801bf7f2a$e8010c40$6a231ad8@howardru>> Precedence: bulk I appreciate the suggestions. Ive never had any discomfort from cutting before...but never cut *only* for seven hours a day every day before. Amazing how much pain it can cause. For a day or two I honestly didnt even imagine ever wanting to cut another peice of glass. Glad I got over that. By the time someone took over for me, I was fighting tears, I just hurt so much. Suzanne Howard wrote: > > practice on some window to see which grip you like best..... > I for ONE will not use the pistol grip as I do not like it.......If the > swivel head annoys you, take off the head and reverse it (screw down), that > will stop the swiveling........ > > ALSO try pressing a LOT easier.....should give you more "cutting" time with > less fatigue. > > enjoy, H > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 21:06:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:36:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: cutters Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I am just like you, started having some wrist/hand pain, and I changed about 7 years ago to the pistol grip and I love it. I have both cutters out when I am cutting but after getting used to the pistol grip it works fine for me. (It took me a little time to get used to it) I grab it thumb over and along the side, fingers under (the same way you would grab a pot or frying pan) and off I go. About the only thing I noticed is I have to be careful or I can get going, and start to lean the hand out a bit and cut on an angle, so I just remind myself. Good luck and I hope it relieves any pain you are having. Hope you are still enjoying the job, and learning a lot. Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 21:44:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:24:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:25:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I have been lusting for a kiln so I can some traditional painting, as well as fusing, casting, slumping (Lord I want it all!) and thought I was horrified at the prices here! Ye gods and little fishes! But Steve mentioned an exchange/used site on the web (probably UK based). Is there such a thing here in the US? Especially in the Balto Washington area? It has to run on 120 household current, and have a pyrometer - I'm not about to mess with cones. I can get the loan of a controller, but would rather have my own, since I'll have to give the controller back sooner or later. If I could get a ceramic or glass used kiln with about a 17" diameter, and the shipping wouldn't eat up any savings, I'd be most interested in such. I'm talking below wholesale price. I'd much appreciate any help (on or off list). Or maybe one of you is about to upgrade? I keep trying to get my hands on the good sandblasting (Dobbins?) book and stuff on kilns with little luck, but I picked up the large paperbound Albinus Elskus several years ago - just happened to see it in a glass supply place and knew just enough to know it was the seminal text - had no idea til later what a lucky purchase it was! - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 22:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:20:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Buying a kiln in the UK Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:16:35 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/24/00 2:17:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: > Try Essex Kilns. They have new and reconditioned kilns of > ceramic and glass types. Prices start at about 300 - 500. Programmable > controllers incorporating a pyrometer start at about 400, so if you can > get a kiln with one on it already for about 800, you have a good deal! Very competitive pricing. I have read all the comments on using ceramic kilns for glass work. I fully agree that a used ceramic kiln is a good place to start. I would NOT buy a new ceramic kiln for glass work unless I had compelling reason. The additional unused volume and time of heating cycles make them electric hogs compared to glass kilns. Trying to fire more than one shelf of glass at a time simply is not practical. I started out with a well used ceramic kiln that had a nine inch square firing chamber. I could fire it three times a day in a long day and learned on it for two years before reselling it to someone that is still using it. Learned a lot including that, at first, the most efficient place for the kiln was next to the trash can. I no longer need a trash kiln next to my kiln. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Mishandling of explosives may result in death or injury and a loss of confidence. -Army Safety Manual ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 24 22:52:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:20:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #104 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: cecnralph@home.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:13:28 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/24/00 9:44:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, cecnralph@home.com writes: > I have been lusting for a kiln so I can some traditional painting, as > well as fusing, casting, slumping (Lord I want it all!) and thought I > was horrified at the prices here! Ye gods and little fishes! But Steve > mentioned an exchange/used site on the web (probably UK based). Is > there such a thing here in the US? Especially in the Balto Washington > area? Balto, Washington, is a good place to find used ceramic kilns for less than half the price of a new kiln. You just have to read the local Pennysaver for a few weeks or place a want add. I picked up a like new ceramic kiln for half price. > > It has to run on 120 household current, and have a pyrometer - I'm not > about to mess with cones. Kilns over about 12"s are most likely 240 volt. This is especially true for ceramic kilns that need the power to reach higher ceramic temperatures. Few ceramic kilns have pyrometers. You can easily buy one and insert it in a kiln peep hole. > I can get the loan of a controller, but would > rather have my own, since I'll have to give the controller back sooner > or later. All controllers incorporate a pyrometer and read out. There is no need for a separate pyrometer. > If I could get a ceramic or glass used kiln with about a 17" > diameter, and the shipping wouldn't eat up any savings, I'd be most > interested in such. I'm talking below wholesale price. 17"s is rather large for a starting kiln. You could waste a lot of glass while on the learning curve. Also remember that a ceramic kiln (likely about as high as it is wide) uses about 250% of the electricity of a ceramic kiln. A smaller kiln cannot do large projects but it is economical and suited to many projects. Firing a large kiln with a small load an expensive preposition. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Mishandling of explosives may result in death or injury and a loss of confidence. -Army Safety Manual ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 05:13:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:54:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: cutters Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:52:22 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, Also started having wrist pain, after twenty years of cutting. Thought it might have been the number of hours on the computer, which was a new hobby. Dr. said it was arthritis, learn to live with it and take 2 Aleve a day. After much research I discovered a remedy. It is 200mg Chondroitin Sulfate and 250mg Glucosamine Sulfate daily. Available at any health or vitamin store. It has been a real life saver for me. I stopped taking the Aleve daily. My wrists hurt so much that I could hardly rotate enough to pour a cup of coffee, now I am back to normal. It's worth a shot. I buy my supply through a mail order company, found it to be much less expensive than the retail stores and would be glad to pass along that info should you want it, just e-mail me directly. I have used a Toyo pencil cutter forever and did not have to switch. I never liked the feel of the pistol grip. Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 05:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:06:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "Brad Walker" To: "Cecily and Ralph Wood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk >But Steve > mentioned an exchange/used site on the web (probably UK based). Is > there such a thing here in the US? Especially in the Balto Washington > area? There's one in Charlotte, NC. Not quite DC, but sometimes they can ship. Sometimes they just sell used kilns outright, other times they have "auctions" where the highest e-mail bidder gets the kiln. The url is: http://www.kilndr.com/ Brad ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ For information about warm glass techniques and processes such as fusing, slumping, and kiln forming, please visit the Warm Glass website at http://www.warmglass.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) > I have been lusting for a kiln so I can some traditional painting, as > well as fusing, casting, slumping (Lord I want it all!) and thought I > was horrified at the prices here! Ye gods and little fishes! But Steve > mentioned an exchange/used site on the web (probably UK based). Is > there such a thing here in the US? Especially in the Balto Washington > area? > > It has to run on 120 household current, and have a pyrometer - I'm not > about to mess with cones. I can get the loan of a controller, but would > rather have my own, since I'll have to give the controller back sooner > or later. If I could get a ceramic or glass used kiln with about a 17" > diameter, and the shipping wouldn't eat up any savings, I'd be most > interested in such. I'm talking below wholesale price. > > I'd much appreciate any help (on or off list). Or maybe one of you is > about to upgrade? > > I keep trying to get my hands on the good sandblasting (Dobbins?) book > and stuff on kilns with little luck, but I picked up the large > paperbound Albinus Elskus several years ago - just happened to see it in > a glass supply place and knew just enough to know it was the seminal > text - had no idea til later what a lucky purchase it was! - Cec > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 07:13:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:40:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:22:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood >It has to run on 120 household current, and have a pyrometer - I'm not about to mess with cones. I can get the loan of a controller, but would rather have my own, since I'll have to give the controller back sooner or later. If I could get a ceramic or glass used kiln with about a 17" diameter, and the shipping wouldn't eat up any savings, I'd be most interested in such. I'm talking below wholesale price.< You're not going to get a kiln with a 17" diameter that runs on 120 current. Something that large will require 240. I have a little used ceramic kiln= which runs on 120 current, but it is only a 9x9x6 interior. But it works= very well for my glass painting and enameling applications. I don't do any slumping work. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 10:23:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:12:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:06:18 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/24/00 10:53:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, Bobfuses@aol.com writes: >17"s is rather large for a starting kiln. You could waste a lot of glass > while on the learning curve. Also remember that a ceramic kiln (likely about > as high as it is wide) uses about 250% of the electricity of a ceramic kiln. > A smaller kiln cannot do large projects but it is economical and suited to > many projects. Firing a large kiln with a small load an expensive > preposition. Let me revise the above. Seventeen inches is rather large for a starting kiln. You could waste a lot of glass while on the learning curve. Also, remember that a ceramic kiln (likely about as high as it is wide) uses about 250% of the electricity of a smaller volume glass kiln. A smaller kiln cannot do large projects but it is economical and suited to many projects. Firing a large kiln with a small load an expensive proposition. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 Mishandling of explosives may result in death or injury and a loss of confidence. -Army Safety Manual ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 11:57:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:35:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Leadlines@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cutters Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:44:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi, Just a little aside about the glucosamine sulfate. If you are a diabetic arthritis sufferer, the glucosamine can increase your blood sugar levels,so caution is needed . But if it works for you without having to resort to other more mainstream methods,more power to you! Gillian(who is turning 46 tomorrowFeb 26 and probably qualifies as an "old wife"lol) Leadlines@aol.com wrote: > Suzanne, > Also started having wrist pain, after twenty years of cutting. Thought > it might have been the number of hours on the computer, which was a new > hobby. Dr. said it was arthritis, learn to live with it and take 2 Aleve a > day. After much research I discovered a remedy. It is 200mg Chondroitin > Sulfate and 250mg Glucosamine Sulfate daily. Available at any health or > vitamin store. It has been a real life saver for me. I stopped taking the > Aleve daily. My wrists hurt so much that I could hardly rotate enough to > pour a cup of coffee, now I am back to normal. It's worth a shot. I buy my > supply through a mail order company, found it to be much less expensive than > the retail stores and would be glad to pass along that info should you want > it, just e-mail me directly. > I have used a Toyo pencil cutter forever and did not have to switch. I > never liked the feel of the pistol grip. > Luanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 12:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:55:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Christie A. Wood wrote: > > Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood > >It has to run on 120 household current, and have a pyrometer - I'm not > about to mess with cones. I can get the loan of a controller, but would > rather have my own, since I'll have to give the controller back sooner > or later. If I could get a ceramic or glass used kiln with about a 17" > diameter, and the shipping wouldn't eat up any savings, I'd be most > interested in such. I'm talking below wholesale price.< > > You're not going to get a kiln with a 17" diameter that runs on 120 > current. > Something that large will require 240. I have a little used ceramic kiln= > > which runs on 120 current, but it is only a 9x9x6 interior. But it works= > > very well for my glass painting and enameling applications. I don't do > any slumping work. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > North Wales, PA USA > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Correction: I have a 17 1/2 inch kiln that runs on 110-120 the only problem is that it takes a bit longer to heat up because it only has top elements. Skip ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 14:29:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:08:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Kiln in UK Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:05:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk seen in rec.crafts.glass today: ----------------------------- Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass Subject: Kiln for sale: U.K. Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:53:34 -0800 Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire I currently have a Cromartie "Top Loader" kiln which has just come out of use, and has been partly reconditioned with a fibre outerlining and lid to overcome the original Cromartie lid problem, using 3in inverted high temp fibre. All new material. At the moment set-up for single phase usage but can operate three phase. 10 cu ft capacity with instruments; good condition and a very competitive, negotiable price; ideal for firing enamel on glass. If interested for a price and viewing. E-mail- Nick Cotton: Nicholas@nicotton.f9.co.uk Or return mail ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 14:39:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:23:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #105 built 2000-Feb-24) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Skip Hodge , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Buying a kiln in U(S) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:25:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk And what make and model is it? I know they make them because I know I can get a new one at Rainbow/Glass Design in NJ. Skip Hodge wrote: > Christie A. Wood wrote: > > > > Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood > > >It has to run on 120 household current, and have a pyrometer - I'm not > > about to mess with cones. I can get the loan of a controller, but would > > rather have my own, since I'll have to give the controller back sooner > > or later. If I could get a ceramic or glass used kiln with about a 17" > > diameter, and the shipping wouldn't eat up any savings, I'd be most > > interested in such. I'm talking below wholesale price.< > > > > You're not going to get a kiln with a 17" diameter that runs on 120 > > current. > > Something that large will require 240. I have a little used ceramic kiln= > > > > which runs on 120 current, but it is only a 9x9x6 interior. But it works= > > > > very well for my glass painting and enameling applications. I don't do > > any slumping work. > > > > Christie A. Wood > > Art Glass Ensembles > > North Wales, PA USA > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Correction: > > I have a 17 1/2 inch kiln that runs on 110-120 the only problem is that > it takes a bit longer to heat up because it only has top elements. > > Skip > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 19:28:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:20:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #106 built 2000-Feb-25) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: discontinued spectrum browns Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Does anybody know of any distributors that are selling these or are any of you willing to sell any or have you found a good substitute?? Numbers are 317-6s and 319-6s. -Spectrum Connie Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:42:10 -0500 From: Jerri Subject: Discontinued Specturm To: glass@bungi.com X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz I'm behind in my bungi messages, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this or not. Today I went by my glass retailer's and found out that Spectrum is stopping production of two of it's browns (317 and 319) because of production problems. I just thought some of you might like to know so that you can grab a piece or two before it's gone. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Feb 25 19:33:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:26:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #106 built 2000-Feb-25) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutters Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, I used a pistol grip for many years and recently bought a Cutter's Mate Plus. I LOVE IT!! I have very tiny hands and am missing a thumb joint. This tool practically cuts the glass by itself and you can do it sitting down with ease. I only use my pistol grip now when my cutters mate won't work because the sheets are too big. It is spendy but well worth it!!! It has paid for itself in "good cuts". Perfect pressure every time. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 26 03:50:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:16:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #106 built 2000-Feb-25) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: discontinued spectrum browns Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:28:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Connie: I heard about it a while back, but maybe they will make it again as soon as they work out their production problem. They have to know it is a popular color. Thanks for the heads up for the folks that did not hear. There is probably a lot of it in someones stockpile. We will probably see it on e-bay for $20.00 a square foot or something:-) And there will be a bidding war.... I know someone was looking for some to finish a project but I forget who it was. I would call a couple of the bigger suppliers and see if they have any. Good luck, hope you find some. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Date: Friday, February 25, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: discontinued spectrum browns >Does anybody know of any distributors that are selling these or are any of >you willing to sell any or have you found a good substitute?? >Numbers are 317-6s and 319-6s. -Spectrum Connie > >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:42:10 -0500 >From: Jerri >Subject: Discontinued Specturm >To: glass@bungi.com >X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz > >I'm behind in my bungi messages, so I don't know if anyone's mentioned this >or not. Today I went by my glass retailer's and found out that Spectrum is >stopping production of two of it's browns (317 and 319) because of >production problems. I just thought some of you might like to know so that >you can grab a piece or two before it's gone. > >Jerri > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 26 08:16:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:45:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #106 built 2000-Feb-25) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: thanks re cutters Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:21:43 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the posts re cutters. I had some tests yesterday at the hospital. The neurologist says there is no doubt it's carpal tunnel. That is a relief to me, since the other things I was tested for were lupus and arthritis. All those tests were negative. They are referring me to a hand specialist. Mean while at work if any one thing is hurting too much, we switch off. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 26 09:02:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:30:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #106 built 2000-Feb-25) X-Path: mindspring.com!rcollins1 From: Robert Collins To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Flesh colored glass Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk Anyone have a good number for some flesh colored or tan glass? Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 26 16:32:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:02:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #106 built 2000-Feb-25) X-Path: bigwig.net!kaylawrence From: "Kay Lawrence" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Buying a kiln in UK Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:53:14 -0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk A great big "thank-you" to everyone that responded to my plea for help! I have learned so much about kilns as a result of this enquiry (particularly the technical stuff in Gerry's post) I've been making enquiries all over the place, now I have some idea of what to look for - and feel so much more confident. I'm delighted to report that I've found a kiln supplier who does new and re-furbished ceramic kilns here in South Wales (within half an hour's drive). They're called Celtic Kiln Care; and are based in Newport. They repair kilns for most of the school and colleges in this part of the world and now I'm just waiting until a really nice used one is available. Another exiting discovery is that Swanea Institute of Higher Education offer a full or part-time degree course in Architectural Glass, which covers all aspects of kiln work, as well as stained glass techniques.(Website: http://www.sihe.ac.uk). Sorry if I'm rambling on about my good luck, but I've done internet searches for months and found nothing but a few glass suppliers in the UK. Why is it that hot glass is so much more popular in the US than it is over here? I know quite a few potters but not one glass artist. Keep up the good work Toby. Kay ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 26 18:03:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:56:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: discontinued spectrum browns Date: Sat, 26 Feb 00 18:09:34 Message-ID: <200002270108.SAA10398@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:28:56 -0500, Linda Jo Letscher wrote: >>Does anybody know of any distributors that are selling these or are any of >>you willing to sell any or have you found a good substitute?? >>Numbers are 317-6s and 319-6s. -Spectrum Connie I have quite a few sheets of both. I bought lots of it about 10 yrs ago.. But how I'd get some to you, I'm not quite sure.. where, in the world, are you? Do you need it in large sheets, or only in square feet? candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Feb 26 19:00:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:35:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flesh colored glass Date: Sat, 26 Feb 00 19:36:04 Message-ID: <200002270234.TAA15263@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk both Spectrum, dense opal champagne 291.61 and champagne wispy 891.81 Candy On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:32:12 -0500, Robert Collins wrote: > Anyone have a good number for some flesh colored or tan glass? > > Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 27 00:30:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:15:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Las Vegas Glass Expo Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 02:24:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Bungians, A few of us are planning a dinner for Friday, March 10, 2000 in Las Vegas. You are invited for Bungi talk, Glass talk, Laughs and of course dinner...but we know that secondary. LOL So, are you going to the Expo? Do you live around the Las Vegas area? California area? Arizona area? Or flying in from Where ever? Please let me know if you are interested in coming to the dinner. 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Maguire CEO/President * Test results provided upon request. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 27 20:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:16:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!KTswim127 From: KTswim127@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Stained Glass Project Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:13:27 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk To whom this may concern: Hello, my name is Katie Erwert. I am a high school senior and a stained glass beginner. For my senior project I have chosen to learn stain glass. It is required that I do interviews of stained glass experts and I was hoping that you would be able to help me. I would greatly appreciate it if you were able to take the time to answer as many of the below questions as possible or of which you have knowledge. Thank you very much for your time and effort. Please send responses back to me via e-mail. E-mail: KTswim127@aol.com 1. How long have you been doing stained glass and how were you first drawn it? 2. Do you enjoy using lead or foil best? What are the benefits of each? 3. Where do you get inspiration for your works? 4. Do you prefer to draw your own designs or get them out of a book? 5. What is your favorite type of project to do? window, lamp, etc.? 6. What is the most rewarding part of your profession/hobby? 7. Do you have any helpful suggestions for a beginner just starting stained glass, whether they be general or specific? Glass 1. What is European painted glass? 2. How are bevels made and when did they start to be used? 3. What are the Crown Glass Method and the Float Glass Method of making glass? 4. What is plating (layering glass layers)? How is it done? 5. Why was opalescent glass such a discovery? And what did it accomplish for stained glass? 6. How is glass made today? 7. Could you please explain to me: beveling, chipping, engraving, painting, sandblasting and acid etching-in regard to stained glass. Tools 1. How have tools changed over the years? How was glass cut when stained glass was first starting to be produced? Colors 1. How do you decide which colors to use together? from experience/a class? 2. What are your methods for choosing color combinations? 3. Are there traditional colors, shapes, or patterns used in stained glass? Do you ever use them? Where are they be commonly used? Use in Churches 1. Why has stained glass been traditionally been placed in churches? 2. What spiritual significance does it serve? 3. Stained Glass started in Europe, when did it start to become prevalent in America? Thank you again! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 27 20:45:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:12:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: usa.com!2citrobio From: 2citrobio@usa.com To: glass@daver.bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: CitroBio Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk From: 2citrobio@usa.com To: glass@daver.bungi.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:55:09 -0500 Subject: CitroBio February 27, 2000 Dear Food processor/distributor: Our company, CitroBio, Inc., specializes in an all natural germicide/fungicide that virtually eliminates microorganisms such as Salmonella, Listeria, E-coli and Staphylococcus from all types of food a= nd processing surfaces, as well. We feel anyone in the food chain will greatly benefit from the use of ou= r product. CitroBio can be used in virtually every step of the food processing chain --- from catch to table and from planting to table with all types of food. This broad-spectrum product has been extensively tested* and was proven to be very effective as both germicide and fungicide. CitroBio in the United States is FDA/GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) APPROVED. CitroBio in Canada is APPROVED as a food additive. Virtually every food product will benefit from CitroBio from harvest to consumer table. Eliminates 99.9% of microorganisms E-coli --- Salmonella Listeria --- Staphylococcus Etc. Extends Shelf Life of food products allowing the seafood to maintain its fresh, bright appearance. Eliminates need for the chemical usage of bi-sulfates in seafood, fish, etc. CitroBio is a natural parasite treatment in all seafood, animals and humans. Ramifications of CitroBio are comparable to none. Also, we are presently seeking exclusive national distributors and international licensing agreements. CitroBio is presently licensed in t= he following countries: Costa Rica Guatemala United States Nicaragua Belize Australia Honduras El Salvador For information on CitroBio sales, purchasing or distribution contact, D= r. R. H. Maguire, Toll Free in the US at 800-332-1647 or 941/359-1647. The fax number is 941/359-8279 (Fax) or feel free to email at mailto:citrobio@usa.com Sincerely, Dr. R. H. Maguire CEO/President * Test results provided upon request. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 07:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:23:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Flesh Colored Glass Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:18:44 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Bob, I am currently using a Wissmach Flesh Pink Opal which I got from Bendheim in New Jersey (1-800-221-7379) They have a West coast distributor in Oakland, California (1-1800-9003499). Their catalog number for it is #31P51DD. I am also using a Bullseye Light Peach Cream ..again Bendheim #29003430F. On of them is slightly darker than the other that I am using where a shadow would be...like a neck or eyelid creases etc... the combination of the two has worked out wonderfully for me, and I am very happy with the effect. I also go through Rainbow Art Glass/Studio design in New Jersey, their catalog numbers for the same colors are: Wissmach Flesh Pink Opal: W1103 Bullseye Light Peach Cream: BU0034 Hope this helps! Kauriee Wood Anyone have a good number for some flesh colored or tan glass? Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 08:31:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:04:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Kauriee@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Flesh Colored Glass Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:02:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk OK, now I'm hoping we can round out the picture. What shades do you suggest I use for my cafe-au-lait colored friends? Or- here's a toughie- a fella I used to know from Haiti who had that shining black skin with the purply undertones. Not that I need to render him anytime soon, but it can't hurt to be prepared. C'mon folks, let's not leave the job half done! We have many more tones that possum pink( ;-> ) to consider. All the best, Mary On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 Kauriee@aol.com wrote: > Bob, > I am currently using a Wissmach Flesh Pink Opal which I got from Bendheim in > New Jersey (1-800-221-7379) They have a West coast distributor in Oakland, > California (1-1800-9003499). Their catalog number for it is #31P51DD. I am > also using a Bullseye Light Peach Cream ..again Bendheim #29003430F. On of > them is slightly darker than the other that I am using where a shadow would > be...like a neck or eyelid creases etc... the combination of the two has > worked out wonderfully for me, and I am very happy with the effect. I also go > through Rainbow Art Glass/Studio design in New Jersey, their catalog numbers > for the same colors are: > Wissmach Flesh Pink Opal: W1103 > Bullseye Light Peach Cream: BU0034 > Hope this helps! > > Kauriee Wood > > > > Anyone have a good number for some flesh colored or tan glass? > > Bob > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 10:41:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:33:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Flesh colored glass Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:06:06 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Touche' Mary! I considered the other flesh colors, however, I don't have any experience working with glass and those flesh tones. I knew I would get harassed for it! Ha ha. Kauriee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 13:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:02:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sealing of sandblasted surfaces Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:25:44 +0000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I am told that there is a sealant that can be used on sandblasted surfaces to keep oils and other marks from the glass. Does anyone know of this, what it is, and how it is applied? Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 15:22:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: , Subject: RE: Stained Glass Project Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:04:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. > -----Original Message----- > From: KTswim127@aol.com [mailto:KTswim127@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:13 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Stained Glass Project > > > To whom this may concern: > > Hello, my name is Katie Erwert. I am a high school senior > and a stained > glass beginner. For my senior project I have chosen to learn > stain glass. > It is required that I do interviews of stained glass experts and > I was hoping > that you would be able to help me. I would greatly appreciate it > if you were > able to take the time to answer as many of the below questions as > possible or > of which you have knowledge. Thank you very much for your time > and effort. > Please send responses back to me via > e-mail. > > E-mail: KTswim127@aol.com > > > 1. How long have you been doing stained glass and how were you > first drawn > it? > over 17 years --- was drawn by my mother to get me out of the house when i was 9 > 2. Do you enjoy using lead or foil best? What are the benefits of each? i use foil only... i don't see the point in using lead. > > 3. Where do you get inspiration for your works? > out of nature, thin air, buildings, etc... i mainly doodle. > 4. Do you prefer to draw your own designs or get them out of a book? > suncatchers i get from a book, mainly because they can take as long to draw as a panel. unless i have to i'll get them from a book. everything else is custom > 5. What is your favorite type of project to do? window, lamp, etc.? boxes mainly, they're pretty, and usable. > > 6. What is the most rewarding part of your profession/hobby? > seeing the end result, and knowing that i built it. > 7. Do you have any helpful suggestions for a beginner just > starting stained > glass, whether they be general or specific? nope not really... ....alright, i guess keep practicing, be prepared for expenses, and blood... either-or they're interchangable. > > Glass > 1. What is European painted glass? > > 2. How are bevels made and when did they start to be used? bevels are made by grinding the edges down with a large flat diamond disk, then slowly polished down with finer wheels. no idea when they started though. > > 3. What are the Crown Glass Method and the Float Glass Method of making > glass? > never heard of crown... sounds english... float is wehn you let hot molten glass float on hot tin. the back is very smooth. i think spectrum uses float.... window glass is usually float. > 4. What is plating (layering glass layers)? How is it done? tiffany used plating. it's where you stack 1-2-3-4 layers of glass on top of the project. it will provide: shadows, depth, more colors, extra intrest. bob oddy's site has quite a bit of plating down. i think the address is: http://www.boboddy.com though i could be wrong.... either way it's on my links page. > > 5. Why was opalescent glass such a discovery? And what did it > accomplish > for stained glass? > not sure about the first part, but for the second--- it allows for more freedom of artistic expression. it provides a conduit of creativeness... whoa where that come from? basically it gives you more colors. it allows for shading, clouds, and more realistic objects. > 6. How is glass made today? i'll let someone else answer this. i know it sort of, but not enough to get an A on. > > 7. Could you please explain to me: beveling, chipping, > engraving, painting, > sandblasting and acid etching-in regard to stained glass. > at the most these things can go together. they can be done apart or used where ever. if you can get it all to go together then it's related. > Tools > 1. How have tools changed over the years? How was glass cut > when stained > glass was first starting to be produced? isn't this stuff in a book somewhere? glass was made a long time ago... the only archaic method that i know of is: they dipped a string in kerosene, placed it on the glass lit it on fire, then poured cold water on it. the hot marks on the glass caused thermal shock and it cracked there. > > Colors > 1. How do you decide which colors to use together? from > experience/a class? > artistic expression... you just know. > 2. What are your methods for choosing color combinations? > don't have any. as an artist and a glass smith, i know what colors are around and can see it in my head. afterward i go through the glass and hope the colors are there. after that i double check, and make it. > 3. Are there traditional colors, shapes, or patterns used in > stained glass? > Do you ever use them? Where are they be commonly used? nope. a nope. and doesn't apply. > > Use in Churches > 1. Why has stained glass been traditionally been placed in churches? > > 2. What spiritual significance does it serve? > > 3. Stained Glass started in Europe, when did it start to become > prevalent in > America? > > > Thank you again! > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 15:31:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:21:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Middle School student's request Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. I received a nicely typed request from one Jiangdi Gao, a studen= t at Landis Middle School in New Jersey, USA. He/She? is interested in learning more about blown glass for his/her art class. Unfortunately, they did not give an email address, so I am collecting replies on his/her= behalf. I'll type in their request (no editing) and if you feel like replying, ju= st send your responses to me. I'll print them out and mail them back. Thanks. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA -------------------------- From: Jiangdi Gao, Landis Middle School, NJ USA To: International Guild of Glass Artists I am Jiangdi Gao a student of Landis Middle School. I am writing to you because in my art class is doing a art career, I picked glass blowing as a career and I need information about the glass career, following I have some question for you: 1. What is your saray a year as a glass blower? 2. What kind of education you need to be in this career? 3. Can you send some of the work is done there for my project?(pictures) 4. Can you sand me some of the important information about glass blowing to me for my project? I hope you will respond to my letter because I really need your help, tha= nk you. Sinecely your, Jiangdi Gao ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 16:26:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:14:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Eyes Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:10:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Curious how all you experienced glassers handle eyes in a panel. I am currently working on a panel with a carousel lion and am trying to decide how to handle his eye. The eye is about 1/2" by 1" in size. My first thought is to use a black glass glob and just grind it to fit the shape of the eye. Do any of you have a better idea for this? Thanks in advance. Sherrie -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 18:00:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:53:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:52:22 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Can't get enough glass? Need a fix? Well try this! If you do it soon you will have beat me there. Copied from newsgroup rec.crafts.glass. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Scheduled CHAT SESSIONS! From: kumpf chanmail@on-ramp.net Date: 2/28/00 5:44 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <38BB21D7.5BE2C1D2@on-ramp.net> I have had many people request scheduled chat sessions so that many people can be in the chatroom at the same time. I have put together some times, as listed below, that I believe are reasonable for most people to be available to chat. Please note that all times are in EST(Eastern Standard Time). To always see the latest scheduled chat sessions, just goto the chat page and scroll to the bottom. Click the reload button on your browser to make sure that have the most current information. Hope to See you there, Adam Kumpf chanmail@on-ramp.net Times for the http://glassart.1freespace.com chatroom..... Wed. @ 6:00 PM; all kinds of glasswork Wed. @ 9:00 PM; all kinds of glasswork Fri. @ 6:00 PM; all kinds of glasswork Fri. @ 9:00 PM; all kinds of glasswork Fri. @ 11:00 PM; all kinds of glasswork Sat. @ 11:00 AM; early bird chat, all are welcome Chat sessions are only being provided to enhance this newsgroup, not take away from it. If you are in any way offended by the nature of the webpage, I send my deepest apologies. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 18:31:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:14:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!Bobfuses From: Bobfuses@aol.com To: soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Eyes Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:12:08 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/28/00 4:29:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, soleim@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU writes: > I am currently working > on a panel with a carousel lion and am trying to decide how to handle his > eye. I have seen real carousel animals that had what looked to be colored stained glass faceted jewels. I would start with one that was an oval about the size desired and grind it to fit. Bob in 9 2 0 2 6 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 19:33:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:25:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: msn.com!22fgFBb71 From: 22fgFBb71@msn.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Mon Feb 28 19:23:56 2000 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Treat yourself or loved ones to America's finest hams or turkeys since l984. These are the best quality and best tasting honey glazed-spiral sliced ready to serve hams and turkey breasts available. Whole smoked and oven roasted turkeys also available. We ship to all 50 states to your door. The perfect meal or gift. To order please call 1-888-828-9424 or 1-760-436-9202 Mon-Sat 10:00a.m.-6:00p.m. -- Sun 10:00a.m.-4:00 p.m. P.S.T. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 20:30:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:06:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: netconnect.com.au!anniekg From: "Annie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: Eyes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:57:32 +1100 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk > Recently saw a book which mentioned the use of glass teddy bear eyes, you > can get them in a variety of colours and the projects they were used in > looked fantastic. The book was the latest one from Jillian Sawyer, Dragon > Wings and Faerie things". Most craft shops should carry them. > > Cheers > Annie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sherrie Soleim > To: Stained Glass > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:10 AM > Subject: Eyes > > > > Curious how all you experienced glassers handle eyes in a panel. I am > currently working > > on a panel with a carousel lion and am trying to decide how to handle his > eye. The eye is > > about 1/2" by 1" in size. My first thought is to use a black glass glob > and just grind it > > to fit the shape of the eye. Do any of you have a better idea for this? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Sherrie > > > > -- > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Sherrie L. Soleim > > University of Oregon > > Library Personnel Services > > soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 20:35:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:06:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: "Mike Savad" To: "Sherrie Soleim" , Subject: RE: Eyes Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:06:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk paint should work. fusing it will give a more uniform look. or drilling a hole in the middle and somehow foil it and shove the glass in that. if i were doing it i'd use the glass. if it were realistic, i'd fuse it twich, the top layer being clear ---- should give it a lense effect. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sherrie Soleim [mailto:soleim@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:11 PM > To: Stained Glass > Subject: Eyes > > > Curious how all you experienced glassers handle eyes in a panel. > I am currently working > on a panel with a carousel lion and am trying to decide how to > handle his eye. The eye is > about 1/2" by 1" in size. My first thought is to use a black > glass glob and just grind it > to fit the shape of the eye. Do any of you have a better idea for this? > > Thanks in advance. > Sherrie > > -- > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Sherrie L. Soleim > University of Oregon > Library Personnel Services > soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 21:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:36:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: iconn.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Extra Mail Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:30:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi to All, How in the world does this list atract so many different kinds of junk mail. In the past 2 days I have received mail from people trying to sell industrial food processor to glazed hams and turkeys. I hope there is some way of blocking out this unwanted junk. I know someone will say use your delet key I DO. I get as much junk here as I do in my US Mail box. Before I go, how are my friends who were looking at that ugly green POND glass. Peace, Tim Byrnes -- Live easy, but think first. -- anonymous ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 28 21:37:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:30:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Flesh Colored Glass Date: Mon, 28 Feb 00 20:26:03 Message-ID: <200002290324.UAA27373@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Flesh, regardless of the color, is a hard one to do, anyhow.. I'd just look thru all the glass I have and determine what best fits. Candy On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:02:13 -0500 (EST), maruca@netaxs.com wrote: >OK, now I'm hoping we can round out the picture. What shades do you >suggest I use for my cafe-au-lait colored friends? Or- here's a toughie- a >fella I used to know from Haiti who had that shining black skin with the >purply undertones. Not that I need to render him anytime soon, but it >can't hurt to be prepared. > >C'mon folks, let's not leave the job half done! We have many more tones >that possum pink( ;-> ) to consider. > > >All the best, > >Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 01:02:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:45:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "Sherrie Soleim" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Eyes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:34:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk You could always go to a taxidermist and they probably have a glass eye to fit for only a couple a bucks. I used them for a mosaic I did of a lion's head...looks great!!! Jill -----Original Message----- From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 8:00 PM Subject: Eyes >Curious how all you experienced glassers handle eyes in a panel. I am currently working >on a panel with a carousel lion and am trying to decide how to handle his eye. The eye is >about 1/2" by 1" in size. My first thought is to use a black glass glob and just grind it >to fit the shape of the eye. Do any of you have a better idea for this? > >Thanks in advance. >Sherrie > >-- ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> >Sherrie L. Soleim >University of Oregon >Library Personnel Services >soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 04:01:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 03:48:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Eyes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:35:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk There are some plain ole glass globs available now that have a cat's eye quality to them. Often times they are clear with a gold or orange center or gold with a swirl and they look like cat's eye. Check your local glass shop or order some from a glass supplier. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 06:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:19:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: Subject: Re: Eyes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:11:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I have a friend that is starting to do a lot of teddy bears and she is using what her mother told me was human eyes. That is what she said. The bear I saw looked really good and I presume that they are really not human but maybe glass eyes made for the teddy bear trade, but were fired, had an iris. Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Eyes >There are some plain ole glass globs available now that have a cat's eye >quality to them. Often times they are clear with a gold or orange center >or gold with a swirl and they look like cat's eye. Check your local >glass shop or order some from a glass supplier. > >Diane Manchester >Tiffany Styled Originals >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 06:51:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:34:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Bungi" Subject: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:25:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces before soldering is what I am talking about here. I happened to be over at a friends when she was finishing up a large window that she was reinforcing amd getting ready to solder and she wanted to to take and look and tell her where I would put the reinforcement. Well............... She had been to a studio of an old fellow that told her that there was no need to run the reinforcemnt all the way across or vertically in one piece. He told her to cut 2 inch pieces and just slip them in the intersections across the piece, that there was no need to waste the stuff. Well I was speechless. I mentioned I would but it all the way across and she said "naw"............. so I watched as she cut these little pieces and just randomly slipped them in here and there. I always thought that when reinforcing we ran it all the way across or up and down. I thought I would throw this out for discussion as I personally can't see how using just small pieces at the intersections would add that much strenght. This person has only been doing glass for about 8 months, I taught her, but once on her own she has taken on some rather odd ways of doing stuff, but I do keep my mouth shut as we all do things differently, but I hate to see her spending the time to reinforce if the way she is doing if is useless. And that in a while her big window that is hanging is going to start to sag. I need some ammo here guys to take over and explain to her why we would run the retrip all the way across. Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 07:01:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:47:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Sherrie Soleim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Eyes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:45:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Sherrie Soleim wrote: > > Curious how all you experienced glassers handle eyes in a panel. I am currently working > on a panel with a carousel lion and am trying to decide how to handle his eye. The eye is > about 1/2" by 1" in size. My first thought is to use a black glass glob and just grind it > to fit the shape of the eye. Do any of you have a better idea for this? > OK here is my 2 cents worth. Get a glass nugget ( the kind that only cost a few pennies ) Take it to your grinder and hollow out the center from the back side but be sure you don't go all the way through. Now get some BLACK paint and paint the hollow you made with your small grinder bit. Let it dry and ... Wahooo looks just like an Eye. I have used this a few times for several different animal eyes and I think it works pretty good. Good Luck Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 07:23:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Linda Jo Letscher" , glass Subject: Re: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:11:30 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "copper restrip or any reinforcement" on Feb 29, 9:25, "Linda Jo Letscher" writes:] > Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces > across the piece, that there was no need to waste the stuff. Well I was > speechless. I mentioned I would but it all the way across and she said > "naw"............. so I watched as she cut these little pieces and just > randomly slipped them in here and there. > > I always thought that when reinforcing we ran it all the way across or up > and down. I thought I would throw this out for discussion as I personally > can't see how using just small pieces at the intersections would add that > much strenght. Copper restrip or any reinforcement should definately run all the way across the panel. Little piece are not going to do anything! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 08:27:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:15:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: Ensembles@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Middle School student's request Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:10:08 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 2/28/00 6:32:26 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes: >Hi all. I received a nicely typed request from one Jiangdi Gao, a student >at Landis Middle School in New Jersey, USA. He/She? is interested in >learning more about blown glass for his/her art class. Unfortunately, >they did not give an email address, so I am collecting replies on his/her >behalf. Where is Landis Middle School located? I wonder if it would be convenient (or even possible) for him/her and family to spend a day at Wheaton Village (Millville). Sparks lusting to go there myself ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 08:57:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:53:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: "Linda Jo Letscher" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:48:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20000229084843.009bcc40@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk LJ, I can't speak with authority, but I'm in agreement with your intuition. Everything I've ever read has said reinforcement should span the work. Ask your friend to consider how her scheme would work on a panel that is somewhat like a venetian blind...lots of horizontal seams and relatively few vertical ones. I think she'd agree that in the absence of reinforcement that panel would have a strong tendency to fold up along the horizontals. So now imagine that she uses her reinforcement procedure on every other intersection. All she's done is to discourage the panel from folding along the strengthened lines...the remaining half are still weak. This is an admittedly contrived example, but I think the same principle applies on a more complicated piece. The stresses will "find" the remaining weaknesses. It would be nice if her scheme worked...it would save us all that trouble of planning for that pesky reinforcement during design. Steve At 09:25 AM 2/29/00 -0500, Linda Jo Letscher wrote: >Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces >before soldering is what I am talking about here. > >I happened to be over at a friends when she was finishing up a large window >that she was reinforcing amd getting ready to solder and she wanted to to >take and look and tell her where I would put the reinforcement. > >Well............... > >She had been to a studio of an old fellow that told her that there was no >need to run the reinforcemnt all the way across or vertically in one piece. >He told her to cut 2 inch pieces and just slip them in the intersections >across the piece, that there was no need to waste the stuff. Well I was >speechless. I mentioned I would but it all the way across and she said >"naw"............. so I watched as she cut these little pieces and just >randomly slipped them in here and there. > >I always thought that when reinforcing we ran it all the way across or up >and down. I thought I would throw this out for discussion as I personally >can't see how using just small pieces at the intersections would add that >much strenght. > >This person has only been doing glass for about 8 months, I taught her, but >once on her own she has taken on some rather odd ways of doing stuff, but I >do keep my mouth shut as we all do things differently, but I hate to see her >spending the time to reinforce if the way she is doing if is useless. And >that in a while her big window that is hanging is going to start to sag. > >I need some ammo here guys to take over and explain to her why we would run >the retrip all the way across. > >Linda Jo > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 09:01:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Linda Jo Letscher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:54:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Jo Letscher wrote: > > Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces > before soldering is what I am talking about here. > Hi Linda Generally speaking when I use Copper Restrip I try to work it in, in a big X accross the entire piece. What this does for me is to change the main support from a rectangle into 4 individual triangles. A triangle is much stronger that a rectangle because it has fewer sides to support and the corners have sharper angles. I haven't tried using this bits and pieces method but it sounds a bit risky to me. Let me know what happens Skip Southern Exposure Stained Glass Supply, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 09:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:16:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk well, look at a seam. what you're trying to do is prevent a bend on the seam, which is what flex is. if you can reinforce a set of places across the entire panel in every place that can bend, it's at every intersection. doing this moves the bending moment from the seam to the middle of the piece of glass, which will resist bending more than the seam will. the pieces of restrip in places where there is no seam, technically, adds very little strength to resist the bending at the seams. regards, charlie phx az -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jo Letscher [mailto:andor@ilnk.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 7:26 AM To: Bungi Subject: copper restrip or any reinforcement Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces before soldering is what I am talking about here. I happened to be over at a friends when she was finishing up a large window that she was reinforcing amd getting ready to solder and she wanted to to take and look and tell her where I would put the reinforcement. Well............... She had been to a studio of an old fellow that told her that there was no need to run the reinforcemnt all the way across or vertically in one piece. He told her to cut 2 inch pieces and just slip them in the intersections across the piece, that there was no need to waste the stuff. Well I was speechless. I mentioned I would but it all the way across and she said "naw"............. so I watched as she cut these little pieces and just randomly slipped them in here and there. I always thought that when reinforcing we ran it all the way across or up and down. I thought I would throw this out for discussion as I personally can't see how using just small pieces at the intersections would add that much strenght. This person has only been doing glass for about 8 months, I taught her, but once on her own she has taken on some rather odd ways of doing stuff, but I do keep my mouth shut as we all do things differently, but I hate to see her spending the time to reinforce if the way she is doing if is useless. And that in a while her big window that is hanging is going to start to sag. I need some ammo here guys to take over and explain to her why we would run the retrip all the way across. Linda Jo ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 10:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:50:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!GlassLites From: GlassLites@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:49:25 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Reinforcement pieces vs. a full length strip... Since I've got a degree in engineering and work with "beams" every day, I guess it's my turn to speak up. Pieces won't do a thing for the strength. At the end of each piece is a weak point. The strip should go the entire length of the area you want to reinforce and should be attached as frequently as possible. Obviously, with a strip soldered into the joint, that connection is over 100% of the length, and that's a good thing. Cheryl Lowe Glass Lites Studio GlassLites@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 12:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:29:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ilnk.com!andor From: "Linda Jo Letscher" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" , Subject: Re: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Charlie, Good point, but if it transfers the pressure from the + (where the restrip is) to a place in the middle of the piece then would we look for stress fracture in that area. We are talking windows 5 or 6 square feet in them. Is the restrip just for the bending at the seams + or all the way across and up and down, to keep the upper load off the lower pieces? This is neat I am learning something here. Thanks! Linda Jo -----Original Message----- From: Spitzer, Charlie To: 'glass@bungi.com' Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: FW: copper restrip or any reinforcement >well, look at a seam. what you're trying to do is prevent a bend on the >seam, which is what flex is. if you can reinforce a set of places across the >entire panel in every place that can bend, it's at every intersection. doing >this moves the bending moment from the seam to the middle of the piece of >glass, which will resist bending more than the seam will. > >the pieces of restrip in places where there is no seam, technically, adds >very little strength to resist the bending at the seams. > >regards, >charlie >phx az >-----Original Message----- >From: Linda Jo Letscher [mailto:andor@ilnk.com] >Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 7:26 AM >To: Bungi >Subject: copper restrip or any reinforcement > > >Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces >before soldering is what I am talking about here. > >I happened to be over at a friends when she was finishing up a large window >that she was reinforcing amd getting ready to solder and she wanted to to >take and look and tell her where I would put the reinforcement. > >Well............... > >She had been to a studio of an old fellow that told her that there was no >need to run the reinforcemnt all the way across or vertically in one piece. >He told her to cut 2 inch pieces and just slip them in the intersections >across the piece, that there was no need to waste the stuff. Well I was >speechless. I mentioned I would but it all the way across and she said >"naw"............. so I watched as she cut these little pieces and just >randomly slipped them in here and there. > >I always thought that when reinforcing we ran it all the way across or up >and down. I thought I would throw this out for discussion as I personally >can't see how using just small pieces at the intersections would add that >much strenght. > >This person has only been doing glass for about 8 months, I taught her, but >once on her own she has taken on some rather odd ways of doing stuff, but I >do keep my mouth shut as we all do things differently, but I hate to see her >spending the time to reinforce if the way she is doing if is useless. And >that in a while her big window that is hanging is going to start to sag. > >I need some ammo here guys to take over and explain to her why we would run >the retrip all the way across. > >Linda Jo > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 15:02:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:57:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: copper restrip and reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:56:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Re the above subject... Reinforcement is the least of my experience. I have lots to learn...and find very little written on the subject. Just thought I'd mention... A repair job was brought into the shop the other day... I didnt hear the story of how it came to be damaged, but the panel came apart everywhere that restrip was used. I dont know if they used it wrong or what... Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 15:11:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:52:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: earthlink.net!crystalangl From: "Carol DeLong" To: "Linda Jo Letscher" , "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: copper restrip or any reinforcement Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:22:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk I agree with all the other replies. I am new to Stained Glass (one year learning basics and one year on my own). I have read everything I could get my hands on and all the books and Professionals have said to reiforce the whole line. "Pieces" are just extra effort with little or no support. Carol D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Jo Letscher To: Bungi Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: copper restrip or any reinforcement > Reinforcemnt in copper foil, copper restrip that you put between the pieces > before soldering is what I am talking about here. > > I happened to be over at a friends when she was finishing up a large window > that she was reinforcing amd getting ready to solder and she wanted to to > take and look and tell her where I would put the reinforcement. > > Well............... > > She had been to a studio of an old fellow that told her that there was no > need to run the reinforcemnt all the way across or vertically in one piece. > He told her to cut 2 inch pieces and just slip them in the intersections > across the piece, that there was no need to waste the stuff. Well I was > speechless. I mentioned I would but it all the way across and she said > "naw"............. so I watched as she cut these little pieces and just > randomly slipped them in here and there. > > I always thought that when reinforcing we ran it all the way across or up > and down. I thought I would throw this out for discussion as I personally > can't see how using just small pieces at the intersections would add that > much strenght. > > This person has only been doing glass for about 8 months, I taught her, but > once on her own she has taken on some rather odd ways of doing stuff, but I > do keep my mouth shut as we all do things differently, but I hate to see her > spending the time to reinforce if the way she is doing if is useless. And > that in a while her big window that is hanging is going to start to sag. > > I need some ammo here guys to take over and explain to her why we would run > the retrip all the way across. > > Linda Jo > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 16:04:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:52:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: OREGON.UOREGON.EDU!soleim From: Sherrie Soleim To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Eyes Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0@daver.bungi.com>> Organization: oregon.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Wow! What a response! Thank you all so much. So many ideas! I'll let you know what I find and what I decide to use on my lion. I'm learning so much my just lurking here. You are a great bunch of people. Sherrie -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sherrie L. Soleim University of Oregon Library Personnel Services soleim@oregon.uoregon.edu <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 16:10:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:08:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re:Grinder bits.... Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:03:56 EST Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk Hi group, I need to get a nice edge on glass pieces that will not be soldered....Is there a special bit or something I can do to accomplish this/ My ground edges are great for foiling etc. but not for leaving "exposed" ,so to say! thanks, Abbie in Va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 29 19:02:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:56:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #107 built 2000-Feb-26) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: restrip vs. rebar Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:45:44 -0600 Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Precedence: bulk I really dont understand how restrip strengthens a panel. Does it *really* add strength? I think it makes sense that rebar would be the best reinforcement, but could obviously interfere with your design. At work, Ive been amazed how we've been able to make the rebar virtually disappear with patina. I guess I have a hard time trusting the restrip. Comments anyone? Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass