From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 04:13:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:41:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Restoration Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:26:17 +0000 Message-ID: <199912010924.EAA22551@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The 7-Sisters stained glass in York Minster are very pale, but > quite a remarkable achievement of silverstaining in stained glass > history. They are also a remarkable example of "surviving" stained > glass. I wasn't speaking of Seven Sisters (or even of five), sorry. T'was completely another smallish panel that bore the "distinction" I spoke of. The tour you mentioned wasn't organized by me, but by a tour operator speciallizing in the blue-rinse crowd with mucho disposable income. They prefer nicest hotels, primo meals, and history lite (in that order). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 05:58:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 05:12:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Re: test Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 08:08:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec1.13850.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 11/30/99 4:27:11 PM, jaugusta@adelphia.net writes: >test Sorry, I didn't catch that - it went by too fast :-) Sparks still crawling along at 56k............ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 07:02:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:06:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: thanks/Taurus Ring Saw Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:03:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec1.14351.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/1/99 12:04:44 AM, thomm@vnet.net writes: >Out of round? Which part was "out of round?" The blade *is* round. Do >you think they meant the weld was bad where the two ends met thus >allowing for an unsmooth transition? Taurus blades don't have joints. I suspect they're sliced from tubular stock. If the stock tubing isn't a perfect cylinder to begin with, the batch of blades won't be truly circular. At running speed on the saw, it doesn't take much of a kink for the blade to get off-track, hang up, and break. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 08:16:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Gloyn@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:25:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.52524.0> References: <<1999Nov30.55414.0>> Precedence: bulk > Gloyn@aol.com wrote:. However I now wonder if those flowers are really glass or are they plastic? The answer's in your subject line! I have a new address--Adelphia Powerlink--very, very, fast, and cheaper that before when ! had a dedicated phone line and dialup ISP. Get a cable modem if you can! Old address jaugusta@capecod.net is now kaput new address is: jaugusta@adelphia.net If anyone sent me messages: offers of money, free airline tickets, a condo in Paris etc., please resend 'cause I didn't get it! Best wishes, joseph jaugusta@adelphia.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 10:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:34:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.73424.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me the best way to reinforce foil panels that are larger than 2 feet square ? Most will be free hanging in zinc framing. Thanks and thanks for all the great info on the bungi line. I am new so I am learning a lot. Sharon in S.Carolina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 12:18:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: reinforcement Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:34:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.73424.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me the best way to reinforce foil panels that are larger than 2 feet square ? Most will be free hanging in zinc framing. Thanks and thanks for all the great info on the bungi line. I am new so I am learning a lot. Sharon in S.Carolina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 15:11:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:08:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "KSee" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Snap, Crackle & POP Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:02:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.12244.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3C1D.E2D9B5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is what my Weller 100 just did. I have used this iron for two years and = it is always in the same place on my work table. I do not pull or twist = it. It melted the wire right where the cord goes into the iron. It is = unplugged & is going into the trash.=20 Question: Is it the iron or something else I did. Has this happened to = any one else? KSee http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html www.ncagg.org http://pagoo.com/signature/kseeglass=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3C1D.E2D9B5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
is what my Weller 100 just did. I = have used this=20 iron for two years and it is always in the same place on my work table. = I do not=20 pull or twist it. It melted the wire right where the cord goes into the = iron. It=20 is unplugged & is going into the trash.
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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF3C1D.E2D9B5A0-- __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 15:43:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: concrete question Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 14:54:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.85434.0> Precedence: bulk One of my stay home mom friends was asking about making some stones with her girlscout troop for the girls moms. She asked about how I do mine. I dont think she wants to hassle with how I do stones for what she is trying to accomplish. For the people who dont mix their own concrete...what is it they are using? Is it "Quick crete'? or readi crete? What's the concrete mix called? I dont know what to tell her to get. Can you guys help? Thanks Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 16:42:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:58:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: KSee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle & POP Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 18:56:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.135636.0> References: <<1999Dec1.12244.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk KSee wrote: it should'nt have happened. sounds like the insulation dried out, and touched in the middle. or the wire frayed because it bends there. you may be able to replace the wire. if the iron still works (before it shorted), i'd bring it to an electrician see if they can fix it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 17:22:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:03:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "KSee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: snap crackle & pob Again Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:51:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.135116.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry about that is what my Weller 100 just did. I have used this iron for two years and it is always in the same place on my work table. I do not pull or twist it. It melted the wire right where the cord goes into the iron. It is unplugged & is going into the trash. Question: Is it the iron or something else I did. Has this happened to any one else? KSee http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html www.ncagg.org http://pagoo.com/signature/kseeglass __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 17:22:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 15:41:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Subject: What's happening to Art??? Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:41:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.134158.0> Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Halem" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:51 PM Subject: Not Glass Art > I thought that since your all members of Glass Notes you might be > interested in the state of postmodern art. I could be wrong. Anyway > this is not about glass but is it about art? Maybe. This is not a > solicitation nor am I asking you to send anything to anybody. I only > send it to keep you "up to date" on the art scene. Let me know what > you think. > Henry Halem > ******************************************************* > > Get your own square foot of CalArts main gallery wall space to own > and to cherish...at least for a week. 35 group-show participants so > far. Room for thousands more. > > > Original announcement: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - - - - > Own one square foot of art gallery wall space during... > > KLONDIKE: International Fluxus Group Show at CalArts Main Gallery, > California Institute of the Arts Valencia, California December 12 - > 18, 1999 > > OPEN INVITATION > > To participate in this group show, send $1.00 (USD or equivalent), > your name, postal address, and email address to: > > Fluxus Midwest 1465 Fairfax Birmingham, MI 48009 > > Entries must be received on or before December 10, 1999, to be > included in the show. > > All participants will receive the following: > > 1. Personal possession of one square foot of the CalArts Gallery wall > space for the duration of the show (December 12 - 18, 1999). 2. A > digital photo of your square foot of gallery wall space will be > emailed to you at the beginning of the show for you to view, ponder, > and enjoy during the show. 3. A paper deed acknowledging your > temporary ownership of this space will be mailed to you after the > show. 4. Your name will be listed as a participant in all official > exhibition materials--including a website that will provide permanent > online documentation of the show. > > We do not encourage or anticipate anyone actually displaying anything > in their one square foot of wall space. No such arrangements will be > made by or through Fluxus Midwest. The idea here is the marketing of > art gallery wall space and the psychology of the possession of such > space. Staging a perfectly blank wall as a group show is the Fluxus > side of it. > > You may purchase a square foot for someone else. You may purchase > multiple square feet. Multiple square feet will not be contiguous, > however. If sending a check or money order, make it payable to "Allen > Bukoff." > > The name of the show, "Klondike," refers to deeds that were > distributed in cereal boxes in the U.S. by the Quaker Oats Company > during the mid-1950s. These deeds bestowed ownership of one square > inch of land in the Canadian Yukon. > > The CalArts Gallery wall space was originally auctioned off on eBay > by a group of CalArts students known as AKSHUN. Fluxus Midwest was > the high bidder. > > For more information, please visit the "KLONDIKE" website at > http://www.nutscape.com/klondike/ > > Please copy and distribute this invitation. > --------------------------------- > Halem Studios > Franklin Mills Press > P.O. Box 906 > Kent, OH 44240 > tel. 330/673-8632 > fax 330/677-2488 > http://www.glassnotes.com > email hhalem@glassnotes.com > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 17:54:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:59:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: concrete question Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:12:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.81247.0> References: <<1999Dec1.85434.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne why not just do the applique style stones where you buy the premade stepping stone, glue on the glass design with silicone, then grout. It's easy, WAY cheaper than Diamondcrete and less messy. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:54 PM Subject: concrete question > One of my stay home mom friends was asking about making some stones with > her girlscout troop for the girls moms. > > She asked about how I do mine. I dont think she wants to hassle with > how I do stones for what she is trying to accomplish. > > For the people who dont mix their own concrete...what is it they are > using? Is it "Quick crete'? or readi crete? What's the concrete mix > called? > > I dont know what to tell her to get. Can you guys help? > > Thanks > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 18:27:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:10:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: synergyglass , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: concrete question Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:10:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.13100.0> References: <<000001bf3c60$a2e05100$091dfea9@Carol>> Precedence: bulk I think my friend has in mind to use concrete and let the girls push their found objects into the concrete. Suzanne synergyglass wrote: > > Suzanne > > why not just do the applique style stones where you buy the premade stepping > stone, glue on the glass design with silicone, then grout. It's easy, WAY > cheaper than Diamondcrete and less messy. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Gunn > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:54 PM > Subject: concrete question > > > One of my stay home mom friends was asking about making some stones with > > her girlscout troop for the girls moms. > > > > She asked about how I do mine. I dont think she wants to hassle with > > how I do stones for what she is trying to accomplish. > > > > For the people who dont mix their own concrete...what is it they are > > using? Is it "Quick crete'? or readi crete? What's the concrete mix > > called? > > > > I dont know what to tell her to get. Can you guys help? > > > > Thanks > > > > Suzanne > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 19:55:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:47:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ghostman.com!candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "Bungi Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Computers and Designing glass Date: Wed, 01 Dec 99 19:45:57 Message-ID: <199912020245.TAA12947@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk Cecily, EXCELLENT lecture on computers and their uses!! Personally, I own my own PC, I co-own a Mac (with my sweetheart), and he has his PC, and with his new telecommuting job, we'll (he'll) have an IBook and a G3.. Only thing I would dispute is get 4-8 meg videoram.. I have 8 and I still occasionally crash the mac (don't forget to save!!).. I still prefer Unix tho. Lots of freeware for that, and it's getting even better.. Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 20:18:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:49:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: new use for mouse pads Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:28:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.92816.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all...having recently moved from the world of laptops and trackpointing systems to the world of desktop and mouse I've discovered the mousepad!!! It makes a great burnishing station...soft enough to support the glass, firm enough to burnish against...it's got a rag beat all to heck. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 21:33:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:28:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:26:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.18264.0> Precedence: bulk I have no idea what they truly meant by "out of round" The blade was the original with the saw when I purchased it 2 weeks ago. When I called them they said "they are having to send out replacement blades right and left". They said when I get the new blade to replace the yellow and red grommets and then call tehm and they would walk me through the rest of the ajustments before starting up again. They are very helpful. And I must say I miss the saw already even though I only used it for a few hours. It saves so much in glass!! I tend to do alot of curved pieces and that can be alot of glass waste and the saw stopped all of that!! If I can get a blade to work it will pay for itself in glass. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 21:54:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:41:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "synergyglass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.183739.0> References: <<1999Dec1.92816.0>> Precedence: bulk Just "how" do you do this with a mouse pad, Carol? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: synergyglass To: Bungi Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: new use for mouse pads : Hi all...having recently moved from the world of laptops and trackpointing : systems to the world of desktop and mouse I've discovered the mousepad!!! : It makes a great burnishing station...soft enough to support the glass, firm : enough to burnish against...it's got a rag beat all to heck. : : : Carol Swann : Synergy Glass & Creative : www.igga.org/synergy : seaspray@island.net : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 22:35:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:31:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Tom" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:32:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.133231.0> References: <<007e01bf3c7e$f7838240$e93152a6@Dthomm>> Precedence: bulk Pretty simple actually. When I burnish, I lay the pieces flat on a mouse pad instead of a pile of rags to absorb the pressure. One less thing on the desk to clutter it...the mouse pad is always there ready to go. That way I can burnish and read bungi at the same time...after all foiling and burnishing are such mind-numbing tasks one needs something else to keep the brain occupied....sort of like folk who knit and watch tv. c. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: synergyglass Cc: glassbungi Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:37 PM Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads > Just "how" do you do this with a mouse pad, Carol? > > Tom > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: synergyglass > To: Bungi > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:28 PM > Subject: new use for mouse pads > > > : Hi all...having recently moved from the world of laptops and > trackpointing > : systems to the world of desktop and mouse I've discovered the > mousepad!!! > : It makes a great burnishing station...soft enough to support the > glass, firm > : enough to burnish against...it's got a rag beat all to heck. > : > : > : Carol Swann > : Synergy Glass & Creative > : www.igga.org/synergy > : seaspray@island.net > : > : ---- > : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > : > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 1 23:09:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:04:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Connie Bartel" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.20151.0> References: <<1999Dec1.18264.0>> Precedence: bulk From: Connie Bartel Subject: Taurus Ring Saw :..........they said "they are having to send out replacement : blades right and left". ........................................ :If I can get a blade to work it will pay for itself in glass. :Connie Connie, Just keep all your receipts, records of phone calls, repairs, etc. handy. I hope your luck is better than a lot of others, those ones getting new blades "left and right." There has to be something going on with their quality control, either the way the blades are made, or what they are made of, or how they are made to begin with. This is a very *common* problem that should have been fixed by now as this is about the 3rd generation of this ring saw. This is not a newly designed product, it's been around long enough that you'd think they had the bugs worked out of it. I wonder, does they "do Windows?" ;)) Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 00:44:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 23:34:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 02:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.213345.0> References: <<38461E06.7654A515@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk I would normally agree with you. However, I know lots of people who have had the *same problem*, blades breaking. No matter how good their customer service is, when your tools are sitting on the side broken down, it isn't good enough. What's the answer to those idle machines from Taurus? New blades? They tried that already and they are still sending out loads of blades. I can understand a blade wearing out, that's normal unless it wears out too quickly. I can't understand a diamond blade breaking unless they are flawed. That said, can you honestly say there is *no* problem? It doesn't matter that they will send a new blade. What does matter is the fact that the machine is idle until the new blade arrives, but for how long until it's idle again is a guess at best. This breakage that is "so common" with this saw is not right, sorry. Tom From: Suzanne Gunn Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw : The quality of their customer service more than makes up for a broken : blade in my book. : Suzanne : Tom wrote: : > From: Connie Bartel : > Subject: Taurus Ring Saw : > :..........they said "they are having to send out replacement : > : blades right and left". ........................................ : > :If I can get a blade to work it will pay for itself in glass. : > :Connie : > Connie, : > : > Just keep all your receipts, records of phone calls, repairs, etc. : > handy. I hope your luck is better than a lot of others, those ones : > getting new blades "left and right." There has to be something going on : > with their quality control, either the way the blades are made, or what : > they are made of, or how they are made to begin with. This is a very : > *common* problem that should have been fixed by now as this is about the : > 3rd generation of this ring saw. This is not a newly designed product, : > it's been around long enough that you'd think they had the bugs worked : > out of it. I wonder, does they "do Windows?" ;)) : > Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 01:41:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:04:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tom , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 01:21:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec1.192142.0> References: <<1999Dec1.20151.0>> Precedence: bulk The quality of their customer service more than makes up for a broken blade in my book. Suzanne Tom wrote: > > From: Connie Bartel > Subject: Taurus Ring Saw > > :..........they said "they are having to send out replacement > : blades right and left". ........................................ > :If I can get a blade to work it will pay for itself in glass. > :Connie > > Connie, > > Just keep all your receipts, records of phone calls, repairs, etc. > handy. I hope your luck is better than a lot of others, those ones > getting new blades "left and right." There has to be something going on > with their quality control, either the way the blades are made, or what > they are made of, or how they are made to begin with. This is a very > *common* problem that should have been fixed by now as this is about the > 3rd generation of this ring saw. This is not a newly designed product, > it's been around long enough that you'd think they had the bugs worked > out of it. I wonder, does they "do Windows?" ;)) > > Tom > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 05:04:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:35:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: seaspray@island.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:33:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec2.123315.0> Precedence: bulk Hey, neat idea! Abbie in Va..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 05:42:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 04:54:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:52:07 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec2.12527.0> Precedence: bulk Great idea Carol. Thanks Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 06:49:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 05:54:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: concrete question Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:52:59 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec2.135259.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/1/99 9:30:59 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >I think my friend has in mind to use concrete and let the girls push >their found objects into the concrete. In that case, I'm not so sure she'd want to use any of the fast-setting varieties of concrete. I'd suggest using regular ready-mix and mixing it up a bit on the thick side. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 07:08:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 06:52:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: concrete question Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.45048.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Suzanne Gunn >For the people who dont mix their own concrete...what is it they are using? Is it "Quick crete'? or readi crete? What's the concrete mix called?< Man, I'm bummed. My supplier of Rapid-Set no longer carries it. So....we're switching to the new FlashCrete by Mosaic Art. They say it dries in 1 hour, and comes in fairly economical 20lb boxes. Comes in colors too. Christie A. Wood-IGGA Exec.Director Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 07:35:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 06:40:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tom , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 08:41:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.24111.0> References: <<01f201bf3c97$91943240$e93152a6@Dthomm>> Precedence: bulk I hadn't been aware that they had such a problem. I've only had the one broken blade, they replaced it, and I've had no problems since, however, I rarely use the saw. I have to admit turning it on terrifies me. I stand as far to the side as the length of my arm with allow when I turn it on. It always makes a loud pop sound when it comes on. Suzanne Tom wrote: > > I would normally agree with you. However, I know lots of people who > have had the *same problem*, blades breaking. No matter how good their > customer service is, when your tools are sitting on the side broken > down, it isn't good enough. What's the answer to those idle machines > from Taurus? New blades? They tried that already and they are still > sending out loads of blades. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 08:08:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:07:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: Candy Thurman Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Computers and Designing glass Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:24:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Dec2.52440.0> References: <<199912020245.TAA12947@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Candy Thurman wrote: > > I still prefer Unix tho. Lots of freeware for that, and it's getting > even better.. I just installed Linux (Redhat 6.1) on my machine at home, and I love it. Good bye Micro$oft. Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 09:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:20:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Mouse pads Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:16:55 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199912021719.LAA20550@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I was converted to burnishing on a mouse pad some time ago, but before that I would use a magazine or a small catalog. A little more "give" than the table top... Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 10:34:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:20:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.81648.0> Precedence: bulk Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the rain and do something else. Who cares? Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself because her soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: 1. who cares if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece together--and in this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical technique is just the the means to an end! Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with sticky stuff on the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and glass! Where's the truth there? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 11:04:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:24:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Rick & Karen Atwood" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Real Virus Alert (Not a Hoax) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:20:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.22058.0> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk The following is an official virus alert from McAfee. It is not a hoax. I have confirmed it with other virus alert centers. " Dear McAfee.com Dispatch Subscriber: W32/ExploreZip.worm.pak is a new, compressed variant of the original W32/ExploreZip.worm. AVERT has assessed it as a high-risk threat, approaching outbreak levels! It reproduces itself by sending replies to incoming email messages, with itself as an attachment called "zipped_files.exe". It includes a payload: it will search the user's mapped drives and overwrite all files of types .c, .cpp, .asm, doc, .xls, .ppt. to zero Kb. IMPORTANT - If you receive an email with the message "I received your email and I shall send you a reply ASAP. Till then, take a look at the attached zipped docs.", DELETE IT IMMEDIATELY! It will have an attachment called "zipped_files.exe"; DO NOT DOUBLE-CLICK OR RUN THIS ATTACHMENT! If you do, it will infect your system! " More information on this virus may be viewed directly on the AVERT (Anti-Virus Emergency Response Team) web site http://www.avertlabs.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/va10185.asp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 13:19:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:09:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.9920.0> Precedence: bulk well, it isn't the foil glue holding it together. after all, tiffany didn't use glued foil but used beeswax. did all his stuff fall apart when i wasn't looking? when you solder foiled panels, you're actually creating H shaped solder paths. that's why it's such a bad thing to have your panel so tight that no solder can get in between the pieces. THAT is what makes it be strong and hold together. that said, i prefer leaded pieces to foiled. my wife is the reverse. regards, charlie phx, az > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Augusta [mailto:jaugusta@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 11:17 AM > To: glass > Subject: stained glass rules du jour? > > > Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this > stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that > goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines > you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the > rain and do something else. Who cares? > > Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself > because her > soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: > 1. who cares > if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece > together--and in > this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting > on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical > technique is just the the means to an end! > > Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 > inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't > crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually > is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with > sticky stuff on > the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil > anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's > some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and > glass! Where's the truth there? > > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 14:37:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:59:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.115641.0> References: <<1999Dec2.81648.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this > stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that > goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines > you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the > rain and do something else. Who cares? > > Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself because her > soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: 1. who cares > if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece together--and in > this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting > on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical > technique is just the the means to an end! > > Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 > inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't > crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually > is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with sticky stuff on > the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil > anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's > some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and > glass! Where's the truth there? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass where to begin with this.... solder is the final polish on the piece you make. you can make a wedding cake by stacking cakes up. icing isn't needed, is it? it would look ugly without the decorations. same example, the cake has icing, but it's lumpy, and has cake crumbs in it. there are holes where icing should be, and it changes in thickness. the solder should have a neat uniform bead surrounding the pieces. solder doesn't just hold the pieces together, it also finishes the work. like the varnish on a table, or molding around a door. if someone came to fix the railing on your house, wouldn't you want it to be neat looking? you would pay for someone to make a sloppy, spattered weld? i wouldn't, it doesn't look good, not in the light, or in the dark. it should be ground down neatly, it doesn't matter id the messy weld held the two pieces together or not. (soon i'll be having a tips page on this subject, more or less). copper foil is designed for small pieces, curvy pieces and any project which needs detail. lead is clunky, and more poisoness then solder. it also needs more steps. i actually think it's really ugly when people (even tiffany), did long runs of lead then switched to foil. it's ugly. foiling done right, will never come off. it it falls off your not putting it on right. when i'm done, the only way to remove the foil is to swipe a razor blade at it on all three sides. ultimitaly the neatness of your soldering determines, and shows the amount of skill you have as an artist, it shows your attention to detail, and it shows that you care how it looks. another example: you could were a potato bag as clothes. it serves the purpose, it keeps you warm. but do you wear it? probably not, you'll have to ask yourself why you don't. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 15:04:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:35:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Real Virus Alert (Not a Hoax) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199912021944.OAA00176@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > W32/ExploreZip.worm.pak is a new, compressed variant of the original Thanks for the heads-up, Tim. I heard about it last night on CNN. Since it affects only those who use MS Outlook, MS Outlook Exchange, and MS Exchange (and I use only Pegasus ) it's those people who should be on the lookout for this particular virus. So rest easy unless you use one of the three Microsoft email programs listed above. But note that Tim's using McAfee's virus checker (at least). Personally, I use (and recommend) Norton Utilities, which also updates virus stuff all the time. I urge everyone to buy and install either one of those. Better safe than sorry. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 15:35:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:36:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Joseph Augusta" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:11:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.41154.0> Precedence: bulk >>Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's >>all this stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Poor workmanship is just that- poor workmanship. Sloppy soldering destroys confidence in the ability of the maker of the SG panel. Who wants to buy or display a panel that looks like the maker did not know what they were doing? Further, solder is a vital part of every SG panel and keeps it from falling apart. Neatness does count for extra points! >>when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting >>on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? >>Physical technique is just the the means to an end! I have seen some rather good welding work on metal sculpture. I say this from a prospective of long association with submarine welding and brazing. To see such welding/brazing is to see a work of art in itself. It is craftsmanship raised to an art. Anything less would fail to inspire confidence. Works of art with poor workmanship of any kind loose at least a part of their market share. >>Where's the truth in materials with copper foil >>anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart >>anyway! It's some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing >>together--not metal andglass! Where's the truth there? Most of my work is with lead came. I believe that well designed lead work is stronger than copper foil work but not by your reasoning. Lead came does not even have the benefit of the stickiness of copper foil to hold it together. Further, lead came does not bind the glass as closely as in copper foil work. Each technique has its place in art glass work. Bob in 92026 -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: stained glass rules du jour? Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the rain and do something else. Who cares? Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself because her soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: 1. who cares if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece together--and in this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical technique is just the the means to an end! Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with sticky stuff on the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and glass! Where's the truth there? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 15:48:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:17:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:29:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.82924.0> References: <<1999Dec2.81648.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm not taking offense...but, I could have sworn, last time I checked, my solder was metal. Once it cools it has more strength than just adhesive backing on copperfoil tape. I care about how my solder looks. Do you care how your joints look? If they are messy, they will take attention away from your glass and your design. Just my opinion. Suzanne Joseph Augusta wrote: --snip city-- > A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's > some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and > glass! Where's the truth there? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 16:05:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:18:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: go.com!the_wright_light From: wright To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:17:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec2.61732.0> Precedence: bulk To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Cc: Date: Thr, 02 Dec 1999 14:21:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: concrete question I have used Diamondcrete over the years. Bought a product called Ez-Stones at the show in Allentown that is supposed to set up in 1 hour but have not used it yet.I have not had trouble with crumbling but occasional glass cracking. Since I am in Michigan I never leave stones out in winter. Maggie ________________________________________________________ ____ Get your Free GO Network Email address at http://mail.go.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 16:12:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:00:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: access.net.au!annieg From: "agregory" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:55:30 +1100 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.205530.0> References: <<1999Dec1.92816.0>> Precedence: bulk That's a great idea, at the moment I tend to use my knee in front of the tele at night. By the end of the evening my knee is usually pretty sore. It gave me another idea too. The little suckers on the bottom of my grinder tend not to stick that well to the surface of my tiled work bench (currently our bar) - a mouse pad underneath it would probably hold it still. Thanks for the tip! Cheers Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: synergyglass To: Bungi Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:28 PM Subject: new use for mouse pads > Hi all...having recently moved from the world of laptops and trackpointing > systems to the world of desktop and mouse I've discovered the mousepad!!! > It makes a great burnishing station...soft enough to support the glass, firm > enough to burnish against...it's got a rag beat all to heck. > > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > www.igga.org/synergy > seaspray@island.net > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 17:39:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:57:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Saws Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 19:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.14519.0> Precedence: bulk I have been writing about the Taurus Saw troubles. At the same time I bought a Diamond Tech. It took lots of adjust ments to get it aligned and I thought the instructions were terrible. Luckily I have a woodworker friend used to aligning wood saws to help me out. As far as the Gyphon goes, there is a fellow with a shop near by that has one and he said it worked until he had a blade break and then the alignment got thrown out and he has never been able to get it working again. When I went to get some advice on which saw to buy his suggestion was to try the Diamond tech. So far it is working unlike my Taurus but I much prefer the Taurus. Someone mentioned there Taurus makes a "pop"when it starts up. This is not mormal. Overall with the saws I think they are all pretty cheesy for alot of money. I thought they would be much sturdier. I think they can add alot of ease and save glass but somebody needs to come out with a "quality version". ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 18:06:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:09:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: KSee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: snap crackle & pob Again Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:37:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.22370.0> References: <<1999Dec1.135116.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Ksee I am not sure that we've had the same problem, ; my previous Weller 100 died after repairing it a couple of times; in my case the wire had broken inside its protection cover (both covers, hose and individual ones inside)and that caused a short-circuit; (a short circuit can cause enough heat, in fact even flames, to melt a thick rubber coating before the house fuses go PLOF - I had a good chance to see that when almost burned my kitchen a couple of months ago). You'd have to peel it until you find where it broke, as it may not show in the least from the outside, and to do that, you´ll have of course to dismantle the thing. Careful with the bits inside, some are very delicate (that`s what I broke when putting it together the third time): It can be as simple a problem as that and maybe you don't have to buy another one. Elena in Spain KSee escribió: > Sorry about that > > is what my Weller 100 just did. I have used this iron for two years and it > is always in the same place on my work table. I do not pull or twist it. It > melted the wire right where the cord goes into the iron. It is unplugged & > is going into the trash. > Question: Is it the iron or something else I did. Has this happened to any > one else? > KSee > > http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html > www.ncagg.org > http://pagoo.com/signature/kseeglass > > __________________________________________ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 18:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:10:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: reinforcement Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.15728.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Sharon, I am in N. Carolina but almost in S. Carolina. I am glad you brought this up. I was just thinking I would love to get a discussion going on reinforcement of the "how tos" and "when". So far I have made panels 3 ft by 18 inches surrounded by zinc and a wood frame and no problems. I made sidelights 5ft by 10 inches no problem but still I am curious as to when it is appropriate with copperfoiling or lead and if there is a difference? Anyone?? Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 19:09:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:37:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Preachome From: Preachome@aol.com To: gunnx4@ix.netcom.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:36:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec3.23614.0> Precedence: bulk Being new to this forum, I hope we are not intruding. We have been using the Taurus 2.2 Ring Saw for almost 1 year now. It has not exhibited any issues and it is a great saw to train children on. My daughters who are now 9 and 10 cut their first nightlight pieces out on it. Despite the issue brought up here which the makers seem to have acknowledged a quality problem, we would highly recommend this product, particularly if you are teaching beginning stained glass classes due to ease of use and low possibility of personal injury. Take care, Merrill Tucker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 19:31:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:43:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Weller Iron Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.15939.0> Precedence: bulk Ksee, My Weller 100 is starting to get hot right at that point to. No melting yet but I wouldn't be surprised. I have already bought a back up for when this one gives out. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 19:47:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:58:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Preachome@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:46:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.144659.0> References: <<0.5f245a90.2578869e@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Wow. Im short, so where it sits, if the blade broke it would be in my face. I stand on my toes so that my face is at least a little above it. I was thinking today I need to find a stool or box to stand on. ;o) I mainly only use it to cut glass that has too much texture to cut on the table. I'd be scared to death to let my 9 yr old daughter use it. Mine is the one with the loud pop when you turn it on. I always stand away and flinch when I turn it on, then I jump *every* time. May be why I only use it as a last resort! ;o) Suzanne Preachome@aol.com wrote: > > Being new to this forum, I hope we are not intruding. We have been using the > Taurus 2.2 Ring Saw for almost 1 year now. It has not exhibited any issues > and it is a great saw to train children on. My daughters who are now 9 and > 10 cut their first nightlight pieces out on it. Despite the issue brought up > here which the makers seem to have acknowledged a quality problem, we would > highly recommend this product, particularly if you are teaching beginning > stained glass classes due to ease of use and low possibility of personal > injury. > > Take care, > Merrill Tucker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 20:10:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:00:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mouse pad and another tip Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:57:51 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec3.25751.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the mouse pad idea, I love it and do have extras. I have a tip I'd like to share. When I am grinding, rather than have water splatter all over I take an old washcloth and lay it across the back of the grinder (just behind the head). It does get wet so if both ends are laying on top the water drips back into the grinder and no mess. When I am finished I lay the cloth over the edge of the garbage can to dry. And thats it. ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 20:12:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:03:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: concrete question Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:02:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.17211.0> References: <<1999Dec1.85434.0>> Precedence: bulk If she wants to unmold the same day, she'll need some RapidSet, which she may need to get from a concrete dealer at about $15 - $18 a bag. If they pour one week and unmold the next, I suppose Kwick-crete will do (or whatever they have at her local hardware outlet). I have seen stepping stone kits at the local craft store chain. Some kind of green mixture, smallish chunks of glass, a mold. This is apparently made so you pour into the mold, place the glass on top and write your holiday greetings in the green stuff. All for $19.95. Dorothy (almost to the time when she can sleep...only got a call from a customer tonight who needs to get more nightlights!) Suzanne Gunn wrote: > One of my stay home mom friends was asking about making some stones with > her girlscout troop for the girls moms. > > She asked about how I do mine. I dont think she wants to hassle with > how I do stones for what she is trying to accomplish. > > For the people who dont mix their own concrete...what is it they are > using? Is it "Quick crete'? or readi crete? What's the concrete mix > called? > > I dont know what to tell her to get. Can you guys help? > > Thanks > > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 20:31:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:41:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: jaugusta@adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:38:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec3.33814.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/2/1999 1:35:39 PM EST, jaugusta@adelphia.net writes: > Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this > stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that > goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines > you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the > rain and do something else. Who cares? > > Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself because her > soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: 1. who cares > if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece together--and in > this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting > on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical > technique is just the the means to an end! > > Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 > inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't > crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually > is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with sticky stuff on > the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil > anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's > some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and > glass! Where's the truth there? > > > Best wishes, > Joseph > Art we a little cranky today Joseph? I happen to agree that foiling isn't the "best" way to put most things together, but for some it's the way that suits their soul, and for lamps, it's really the best. Can you agree on that? Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 21:15:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:54:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Kaye Sodt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mouse pads Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:52:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.165249.0> References: <<199912021719.LAA20550@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu>> Precedence: bulk I have been using a mouse pad for quite some time with a wallpaper roller. Sometimes I want a firmer surface and use an old table place mat that is thinner but still has a little "cush" to it. It works for me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 21:44:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:09:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.1983.0> References: <<1999Dec3.23614.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I have had the Taurus I for several years and I no longer bother with the small grinding heads, since the taurus blade is far smaller so I can get into tiny corners better than with the grinder. I'm still on my original blade, but I'm also careful not to push hard on the glass. As for the GlassStar vs the Diamond Tech - I've used both and have a Diamond Tech. Much nicer bandsaw. If you are having trouble aligning the new blade, Diamond Tech will walk you through the steps and I'm told they can do amaizing things over the phone. I bought a used Diamond 3000, and finally sent it in for a $75 reburbishment, but that was because the lower wheel had developed a wobble, so it never did hold the blade properly. It seems nice and tight now. And hey, Suzanne, you can give yourself a friction burn but you cannot cut yourself with a Taurus! PS - I'd call the company and have them listen to the pop as you turn it on - shouldn't do that. ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 22:51:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:14:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:14:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.20146.0> References: <<1999Dec2.82924.0>> Precedence: bulk I agree with you Suzanne, the quality of the art is in the *details*. Solder joints *are* details. Tom : I'm not taking offense...but, : I could have sworn, last time I checked, my solder was metal. : Once it cools it has more strength than just adhesive backing on : copperfoil tape. : : I care about how my solder looks. Do you care how your joints look? : If they are messy, they will take attention away from your glass and : your design. Just my opinion. : : Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 2 23:13:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:16:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: TOZIRIVER@aol.com, Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Computers and Designing glass [ng] Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:16:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec2.201638.0> References: <<0.5c315250.257819ff@aol.com>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk You hit it on the mark. Though actually, studies have shown that the Mac is really cheaper for business than the business level PCs. Part of it is in reduced training, and support, including repairs, and part is because the Mac has built in some rather expensive components that the PC person is going to have to add. When you go out to eat, if you are on a limited budget, your heart sinks when you realize you are faced with an a la carte menu (your PC computer), where you pay separately (and expensively) for each item, so if you want the standard two veggies, you pay twice, whereas other menus (the Mac) include soup or salad, one or two other veggies, and the main course - even the dessert sometimes, at a considerable savings, and you only pay extra for your beverage. I have a hilarious cartoon (from the Ventura newspaper in CA) showing Bill Gates sitting under a tree, with a multistriped/colored apple falling on this head and bouncing off, and you notice in his thought balloon the Windows logo is shown. Newton he isn't! - But lord wouldn't you like his talent for making money? - Cec TOZIRIVER@aol.com wrote: > Dear Cecily, > I enjoyed reading your response to Anna's inquiry about software and > computer products for glass design. Since I also answered her and since I am > a Mac addict like yourself, I thought I'd add a few more points, based on my > understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong. > The Mac OS was built from the ground up as a graphical user interface > (the mouse and cursor vs. the keyboard). They pioneered it based on Zerox > research. Windows, on the other hand, is based on DOS, which is an archaic > keyboard instruction system. The graphical user interface in Windows is a > patch, like a facade, built on top of DOS. Hence, as you pointed out so > well, on a Mac, instructions from the user to the CPU follow a more direct > route than with Windows. That also results in a neater package of > instructions with less steps for the user when installing software and > operating the computer in general. In a sense, the Mac OS is the English of > the computer world being concise and sufficient. From what I gather, Linux > may be better yet. > The biggest shame of the whole Microsoft scandal is not that it is a > monopoly, but that the product they peddle is inferior. Gates stole the > graphical user interface concept from Apple because they wouldn't do business > with him. Rather than design his own version from the ground up, he just > gave Windows the appearance of a true GUI. It is an important distinction, > because it's the only thing that kept Apple from being able to successfully > sue Microsoft. The true brilliance of Bill Gates is his ability to maneuver > and win. Licensing DOS from IBM was a stroke of genius, but nothing that has > followed has been particularly good for consumers. Now he wants to control > access to the Internet by gradually making Windows compatible with only the > Microsoft browser. > What does all this have to do with Stained Glass? A lot. A computer is > a tool, and when it comes to tools you can never make a mistake by buying the > better version. Even if it is more expensive, the rewards are immediate. > Driving a Mercedes is a better experience that driving a Chevy, and the > resale value is higher. Plus, Macs are not that much more expensive than PC's > these days. The analogy carries true when doing your daily work on the > computer. Less down time and less time spent scratching your head, means > more time devoted to what you really want to do, design glass projects. The > Major PC builders all use the same IBM architecture with parts garnered from > the cheapest suppliers using a lot of overseas labor. Macs are all built in > Cupertino Ca. by one company led by a man (Steve Jobs) who has always been > devoted to making computers for people. His brilliance lies in that realm. > Which sort of genius do you think would be willing help you the most? > > Bill -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 02:18:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:29:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Restoration Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <199912030921.JAA31642@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Sorry Bob and Albert, OF COURSE it's the FIVE sisters. There are several locations I know of with 3 / 5/ 7 Sisters as a name. I always mix them up. Old Age??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK >>The 7-Sisters stained glass in York Minster are very pale, but quite a remarkable achievement of silverstaining in stained glass history. They are also a remarkable example of "surviving" stained glass.<< Huh, did they add two since my last visit? Make that the Five Sisters window. They are quite impressive but to my way of seeing things only because of their collective size. They are far more decorative than instructive! It is grisaille work from the thirteenth century. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 02:33:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:29:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:20:38 -0000 Message-ID: <199912030921.JAA31669@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Surely.... It's not because of the "pop" it makes, but because you have been perfecting your glass cutting skills???? ;-> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Suzanne wrote: Wow. Im short, so where it sits, if the blade broke it would be in my face. I stand on my toes so that my face is at least a little above it. I was thinking today I need to find a stool or box to stand on. ;o) I mainly only use it to cut glass that has too much texture to cut on the table. I'd be scared to death to let my 9 yr old daughter use it. Mine is the one with the loud pop when you turn it on. I always stand away and flinch when I turn it on, then I jump *every* time. May be why I only use it as a last resort! ;o) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 05:53:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 05:05:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: reinforcement Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:12:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.2125.0> References: <<1999Dec2.15728.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Hi Connie, I did a copper foil window for a friends front door. I restrippedbetween seams on the straight vertical seams, and then used two rebars across the horizontal seams. The window is very secure. Mind you its only been in for a year , but the door is opened and closed (hard ) frequently. Regards Gillian Connie Bartel wrote: > Hi Sharon, > I am in N. Carolina but almost in S. Carolina. I am glad you brought this up. > I was just thinking I would love to get a discussion going on reinforcement > of the "how tos" and "when". So far I have made panels 3 ft by 18 inches > surrounded by zinc and a wood frame and no problems. I made sidelights > 5ft by 10 inches no problem but still I am curious as to when it is > appropriate with copperfoiling or lead and if there is a difference? > Anyone?? Connie > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 06:29:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 05:57:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: new use for mouse pads Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.34932.0> References: <<1999Dec3.205530.0>> Precedence: bulk > It gave me another idea too. The little suckers on the bottom of my grinder > tend not to stick that well to the surface of my tiled work bench (currently > our bar) - a mouse pad underneath it would probably hold it still. Be careful with that one. Most grinders have vents on the bottom to allow air to enter to keep the motor cool. If you remove those little suckers and plop your grinder on a mouse pad you may block those vents. The motor wont be happy. -G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 06:55:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:02:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: "Gregg Wood" To: "Glass @ Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.35536.0> References: <<1999Dec2.115641.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this > stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that > goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Actually learn how to solder. You'll thank your self for it. Mike Savad > ultimitaly the neatness of your soldering determines, and shows the > amount of skill you have as an artist, it shows your attention to > detail, and it shows that you care how it looks. In the interest of being brief, YEAH, What he said! -G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 07:22:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:51:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus Ring Saw Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 08:31:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.23126.0> References: <<199912030921.JAA31669@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk You becha! I dont need the saw...except for those heavy textures. ;o) (and those angel and fairie necks!) Ever since your workshop I cut on top of my cartoon too. I dont like using a pattern any more. I need a lightbox though...as I usually have to make myself one or two pattern peices because of not being able to see well enough through the glass. Suzanne Toby wrote: > > Surely.... > > It's not because of the "pop" it makes, but because you have been > perfecting your glass cutting skills???? > > ;-> > > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > Suzanne wrote: > > Wow. Im short, so where it sits, if the blade broke it would be in my > face. I stand on my toes so that my face is at least a little above > it. I was thinking today I need to find a stool or box to stand on. ;o) > > I mainly only use it to cut glass that has too much texture to cut on > the table. > > I'd be scared to death to let my 9 yr old daughter use it. > > Mine is the one with the loud pop when you turn it on. I always stand > away and flinch when I turn it on, then I jump *every* time. May be why > I only use it as a last resort! ;o) > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 08:24:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:40:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Gregg Wood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 10:36:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.53643.0> References: <<1999Dec3.35536.0>> Precedence: bulk Gregg Wood wrote: > Actually learn how to solder. You'll thank your self for it. > No doubt--I believe in the old saw that--anything worth doing is worth doing well--but that's not the issue. There's simply too much emphasis placed on something that's actually quite simple to do---that's soldering, which anyone who earnestly practiced the skill for a few weeks could do sufficiently well to please all but those who could do it better---that translates to doing it longer, that's all. For me the art in *stained glass art* is in the term itself--*stained glass* ie., color, texture and light---not in the seams. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 10:04:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:41:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: grinder Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:48:27 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.134827.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF3D95.1366F840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i put my grinders on top of a rubbermaid dish drainer tray.it works for = me and if i splash i don't get all my work area wet. dori www.doribee.com ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF3D95.1366F840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i put my grinders on top of a rubbermaid dish = drainer tray.it=20 works for me and if i splash i don't get all my work area = wet.
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BF3D95.1366F840-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 10:25:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:15:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Joseph Augusta" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:16:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.11617.0> References: <<1999Dec3.53643.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Joseph...I just HAD to write back to you. I totally agree that s.g. is a combination of right brain(creative/artistic) and left brain (skills) based activities. It's the perfect blend for someone who functions on both sides! I also agree that practice makes perfect. Having said that...I suspect that you have never taught students s.g. and watched them struggle with the soldering aspect, which for many is the hardest step to master. I suspect that because it is often the most technically difficult step of the process, more people write for help with it, and it's worth helping people perfect that part of their skill set. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Augusta To: Gregg Wood Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 7:36 AM Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? > Gregg Wood wrote: > > > Actually learn how to solder. You'll thank your self for it. > > > > No doubt--I believe in the old saw that--anything worth doing is worth > doing well--but that's not the issue. There's simply too much emphasis > placed on something that's actually quite simple to do---that's soldering, > which anyone who earnestly practiced the skill for a few weeks could do > sufficiently well to please all but those who could do it better---that > translates to doing it longer, that's all. > > For me the art in *stained glass art* is in the term itself--*stained > glass* ie., color, texture and light---not in the seams. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 10:39:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:59:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991203125442.0079f6e0@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk >For me the art in *stained glass art* is in the term itself--*stained >glass* ie., color, texture and light---not in the seams. For me too Joseph, but I HAVE come across some stained glass work for sale that I couldn't even delight in the glass because of the poor soldering surrounding it. My eye was drawn to the soldering instead. And that's sad when that happens. I would much rather have a great soldering job that fades into the background, than have the glass be diminshed by a poor one! Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 12:18:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:32:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: mschatee@juno.com Subject: Re: Mouse pad and another tip Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:15:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.19153.0> References: <<1999Dec3.25751.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I'm a little worried about the washcloth idea. If the ends are loose as implied in your message, they can become tangled in the grinder bit (head), jamming it at least, and possibly affecting your fingers if the glass gets involved. All loose material near a rotating piece of machinery should be removed. Good Health! Steve In message <1999Dec3.25751.0@?>, mschatee@juno.com writes >Thanks for the mouse pad idea, I love it and do have extras. I have a >tip I'd like to share. When I am grinding, rather than have water >splatter all over I take an old washcloth and lay it across the back of >the grinder (just behind the head). It does get wet so if both ends are >laying on top the water drips back into the grinder and no mess. When I >am finished I lay the cloth over the edge of the garbage can to dry. And >thats it. > >___________________________________________________________________ >Why pay more to get Web access? >Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! >Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 12:40:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:17:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gsa-orsp.crown.nwu.edu!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: (Fwd) Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:06:24 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <199912032009.OAA05619@pineyard.acns.nwu.edu> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk snip>>There's simply too much emphasis placed on something that's actually quite simple to do---that's soldering, which anyone who earnestly practiced the skill for a few weeks could do sufficiently well to please all but those who could do it better---that translates to doing it longer, that's all.<< ---------------- I've been doing glass (albeit as a hobby) for ten years and I've never been really satisfied with my soldering. It's not for lack of practice. And I've taken a soldering workshop at a local studio. Part of my problem was my original teacher. Guy was a sweetie-- kept praising and praising when what I needed was some contructive criticism. And he only allowed us to use the paste flux. The lady who did the workshop used a liquid. I tried it and liked it very much for came work, but it spits too much with copper foil. Listening to the bungi folk, I finally bought some gel flux and used it for the first time last night. I was amazed at the difference it made in my soldering! Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 13:43:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:17:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mouse pad and another tip Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:11:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec3.211149.0> References: <<1999Dec3.25751.0@?>> Precedence: bulk "I'm a little worried about the washcloth idea. If the ends are loose as implied in your message, they can become tangled in the grinder bit (head), jamming it at least, and possibly affecting your fingers if the glass gets involved. All loose material near a rotating piece of machinery should be removed." The washcloth is laid across the back of the grinder. Don't forget the plastic guard and the sponge, they prevent the cloth from getting anywhere near the head. The ends of the cloth are a few inches away of the head on both sides. I just make sure they don't hang off the sides and drip onto the table. ALthough I always use my grinder on top of a Morton board so if it does drip the water collects in the little squares and doesn't affect anything, it just dries up. ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 14:06:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:19:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: synergyglass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.111622.0> References: <<000801bf3db2$1ce97c40$091dfea9@Carol>> Precedence: bulk synergyglass wrote: > > Having said that...I suspect that you have never taught students s.g. and > watched them struggle with the soldering aspect--- Well your suspicions are correct! But I've taught neon glassblowing at the college level and know that some people are afraid of working with tools they could injure themselves with--- the soldering iron probably frightens most people unaccustomed to working with tools, and this fear, I suspect, is one of the main impediments to learning how to make a good seam. Helping students overcome this fear, so that they can get onto the relatively simple process and practice of soldering is something I'd concentrate on if I were giving a class for beginners. But I've said enough on this topic and don't want to alienate the last 2 or 3 people I haven't already annoyed! It's a good group of people on this list---people stick to discussing ideas-- rather than referring to one another's ancestry! :-) best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 15:47:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:59:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: tctwest.net!lcans From: Larry & Chris Snyder To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Designing Patterns Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:54:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.85432.0> Precedence: bulk I use Micrografix Draw6 for many ideas. I would like to take a digital photo and use Draw 6 to section it and then use *.jpg images of glass to design my piece. Does anyone have any experience or ideas on this method? Chris -- Cns in WY http://www.tctwest.net/~lcans LCANS Web Page Netscape-Aol Instant Message: lcans ICQ: lcans #39769777 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 16:04:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:13:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.131156.0> References: <<1999Dec3.53643.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Gregg Wood wrote: > > > Actually learn how to solder. You'll thank your self for it. > > > > No doubt--I believe in the old saw that--anything worth doing is worth > doing well--but that's not the issue. There's simply too much emphasis > placed on something that's actually quite simple to do---that's soldering, > which anyone who earnestly practiced the skill for a few weeks could do > sufficiently well to please all but those who could do it better---that > translates to doing it longer, that's all. > > For me the art in *stained glass art* is in the term itself--*stained > glass* ie., color, texture and light---not in the seams. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass let's put a different perspective on this: 1. would you buy a table, at a store, if glue was dripping from the seams? not wiped, scraped, or removed. just left there and painted over? the glue holds it together right? why scrape it off? 2. you bring your car to the auto body guy. he pops out the dent, bondo's it, and primes it. he says, "give me $700, i'm finished". you say, "where's the paint?" he says, it doesn't need any paint, the primer will protect it from rust. the paint is just a pretty finish. --- what if it's painted but it's drippy, runny, has orange peel, doesn't quite match, does'nt match at all... now what? it has the paint, it takes too long to get a smooth quality finish, why bother to make it look nice? what's the point? 3. you higher a gardner. he mows the lawn... that's it. weeds are still mixed in, they do there job, they hide the dirt. you expect a quality job from him, instead he trimmed the weeds down with everything else. 4. you buy a new diamond ring. the ring is cut well, a nice white diamond, not too many flaws, you paid a mint and a half, but the setting is filthy. there's still sprue marks where the ring was casted, it wasn't polished. the setting is doing it's job too, it holds the diond up, keeps it from falling on the floor. why finish that? why do stained glass at all? the glass is useless, there isn't any point. why make your own designs? why choose your own colors, why do any of it? why??? because it's an artform, it expresses YOU. and YOU in particular. good soldering skills are NOT developed in a few weeks. i'm sorry to tell you this. i don't care if you solder all day and night. a few weeks just isn't going to cut it. if you want to do a sloppy job, just because it takes you a little longer to make it look nicer, that's fine. but stained glass like any art, is not just the colors, it's the WHOLE THING! when a painter makes a painting, do they hand it in an ugly frame? some do, but other's put it in a really nice frame. at one point you'll see the difference, and learn why it's important to finish the whole thing. it does take a longer time to do, but it looks way better than flat soldering, especially it's reflection. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 16:15:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:47:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: KSee Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle & POP Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:45:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec3.74542.0> References: <<1999Dec1.12244.0>> Precedence: bulk You say your Weller100 melted down at the cord that goes into the handle? Most unusual especially since you have only had the iron for two years. I have had my weller for a good 10 years and have used is constantly and except for a new tip, it is still going strong. Unless your iron was defective to begin with, there is no reason for your iron to have crashed. You may want to contact the Weller folk and find out if it were something with this particular iron. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 16:34:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:47:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:25:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.132514.0> References: <<1999Dec3.111622.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > synergyglass wrote: > > > > > Having said that...I suspect that you have never taught students s.g. and > > watched them struggle with the soldering aspect--- > > Well your suspicions are correct! But I've taught neon glassblowing at the > college level and know that some people are afraid of working with tools they > could injure themselves with--- the soldering iron probably frightens most > people unaccustomed to working with tools, and this fear, I suspect, is one of > the main impediments to learning how to make a good seam. > > Helping students overcome this fear, so that they can get onto the relatively > simple process and practice of soldering is something I'd concentrate on if I > were giving a class for beginners. > > But I've said enough on this topic and don't want to alienate the last 2 or 3 > people I haven't already annoyed! It's a good group of people on this > list---people stick to discussing ideas-- rather than referring to one another's > ancestry! :-) > > best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no it's still a stained glass subject. people just starting out in this craft or still impressionable. and i don't want them to think that sloppy soldering is an ok thing to do. i always finish the front. the back, i generally leave flat, unless people will definitly see it. i've seen alot of bad soldering, being pushed off as proffesional. it's like not ever washing your car, or you windows. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 19:47:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:33:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.172816.0> References: <<1999Dec3.132514.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk One of the nice things about stained glass is that even an beginning student can produce something that is beautiful, and even if the soldering isn't as smooth as it could be, and far from that mechanical look people develop after many years, the beauty of the glass is so stunning that it is pleasing and even if the person never goes on to become a hobbyist or a professional, it is something they can display and be proud of. I have rarely seen really ugly pieces done by students, but of the two truely ugly ones done by students of my original instructor, they were both "designed" by their makers, and one must have been colorblind, and the other could never discern the grain of the glass - not to mention the designs themselves were just downright bad. But I was reminded of this thread the other day at one of my local suppliers. A lady came out of the work area bearing a lamp shade which she was trying on various lamp bases. It was one of the most pathetic creations I have ever seen. The glass itself was ill chosen. The colors were off and a funny opaque and the soldering was about what I produce when using solderwick to remove solder from a completed piece. You have seen terrible scars on burn victims? That melted skin look, all raised and pitted, and smeared? And the natural solder color looked dull, like cast aluminum. I still have tooth marks in my tongue, from trying not to burst out with "My God! That's the ugliest thing I've ever seen!" Then I clamped down harder on my tongue because I generally try to admire something about an effort, while I encourage some damage control. After all, she wasn't MY student (have no idea who the instructor was), but you can bet I'll never recommend anyone to take a class there. I can tell you no student of mine would have left the workroom with something looking like that. The poor glass would have rendered it just a very sorry object, but it was the soldering that kicked it over the edge into gawdawful. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 20:24:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:40:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: NYC Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:39:59 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Any special glass museums I should check out while I'm in NYC? Any tips on holiday sights? I'll be there from the 13-16th. Thanks a bunch! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 21:23:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:39:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NYC Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:38:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Dec3.183851.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk The Met has some excellent Tiffany on permanent display. On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Glenna Rand wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Any special glass museums I should check out while I'm in NYC? > Any tips on holiday sights? > I'll be there from the 13-16th. > Thanks a bunch! > > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 3 22:19:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:45:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Ever happened to you? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 23:44:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.174436.0> References: <<199911290007.AAA09111@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I havent tried to drink or smoke my iron lately..but, as I was holding my iron in my right hand, I reached over with my left and have a nice scar on my arm where I laid it on my iron. Ouch. Suzanne Toby wrote: > > Hey, > > I have done some very similar stupid things; like dropping my iron > and trying to catch it - the wrong way up- OUCH!! > like thinking (usually about 3 in the morning!!) that the iron is my > cigarette (DOUBLE OUCH!!) > Don't worry!! > There ARE other crazy folks about (like me!) > > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > ('n incontinent Meric!!! NEWSPAPERS!!!???) Jeeeeez, I've > forgotten when THAT stage ends. > Oh! ....and by the way, Toby has just tonight experienced the first > non-growling session with Meric. It was quite sweet really, all the > paternal bit (and another roll of film!!) > I must be crazy to share my life with TWO bundles of OES !!! > > Has this ever happened to you? I had some friends over--we had a couple > of glasses of wine-- and was showing them my newfound skills with the > soldering iron, when just as I'm about to take a sip of wine, I pick up > the iron instead to take a "sip"! > > I'm just thankful that Debbie was watching--she shouted - - Joseph! I > think you better take a look at what you're about to drink from!-- It > wasn't the wine glass but the soldering iron---was I embarassed! > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 00:57:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:25:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Soldering tips Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 00:21:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec3.162143.0> Precedence: bulk What with all the talk about soldering it might be a good time to have a thread on techniques. Here are some of mine. 1. Try to make all like joints alike by using the same attack angle with the soldering iron. An example is that all joints to the frame are made by pulling the iron from the came to the frame in line with the run of the came. 2. Where there is a run of same joints, such as in a bevel border, make all joints in a run in succession. This helps the solderer to make all of them the same. 3. Where there are right angle cross joints use the same soldering approach, such as, starting on a cut came, pulling the iron to the crossing came, moving to left and right a small amount on the crossing came, moving on to the second cut came and finally back to the center of the joint. The desired result is a neat plus sign of solder with no indication of which is the cut came. 4. Where solder joints are within about 1/2" of each other consider joining all joints with connected soldering rather than leaving little gaps of unsoldered came. 5. Inspect each completed joint for a second after completing it and moving on to the next. If the joint is solder poor now is a good time to correct the problem. Excess solder can be flicked onto the glass from the hot joint with the iron. 6. When a panel side is completed take a couple of minutes to insure all joints are made and correct any irregularities. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 04:07:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:40:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Glenna Rand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NYC Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 06:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.24031.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 04:28:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NYC Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:29:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199912041227.HAA02348@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Any special glass museums I should check out while I'm in NYC? Yes, the Metropolitan Museum of Art's American Wing has some nice stuff, including Tiffany, of course, and stained glass from the middle ages, but also a large window by Bolton, one of a pair of brothers who's work was the first suite of windows by American artists in an American church. But you should also get up to The Cloisters (also part of the Metropolitan Museum of Art); if you do it the same day, your entry fee in midtown gets you in there at no extra charge. Take a cab up to Ft Tryon Park off the Henry Hudson Parkway and have the driver wait for you. A large suite of windows by John La Farge is in Judson Church on the south edge of Washington Square Park. Walk directly south from the fountain in the park to the yellow brick building on the right side of La Guardia Place. There's usually someone there; you may have to knock and ask to see the windows. They're very nice and accommodating. The windows were recently restored by Cummings Studio here in North Adams MA. Come back to this part of town in the evening; it's a jumpin' folk and jazz diining and drinks part of the City. At the corner of Broadway and 10th Street, an easy walk from Washington Square, you'll find Grace Church, which has more Tiffany, but also lots of other important American artists' windows. Go through the little wrought iron gate to the left of the church doors, ring the vestry bell and ask if you may view the windows. Go to the Union Square Cafe for lunch; it's great! Julie Sloan might have some other suggestions for you on glass to see. Her email address is jsloan@vgernet.net > Any tips on holiday sights? Oh, you bet. From the Metropolitan Museum of Art, walk south on Fifth Avenue to 59th Street. You'll see F.A.O. Schwarz at 767 Fifth Avenue. The story is that a woman with two kids getting off a bus across from FAO Schwarz was overheard telling them they were going to the "toy museum" and they mustn't touch anything and that nothing was for sale. Of course, it's just the biggest toy store in the world. Rockefeller Center is just down the street; go there for the tree and the skaters, passing some of the greatest shopping meccas in the world on the way, of course. For more on Rockefeller Center Christmas, see http://articles.citysearch.com/New_York/virtualtour/rockefellerxmas/ If you're feeling especially flush ('cause it's expensive), treat yourself to lunch at The Four Seasons, 99 East 52nd Street. Of course, there's Little Italy and Chinatown (downtown), but for real deals on Christmas buying, go to Orchard Street (*way downtown). Food's great in all three areas, but in Orchard Street, you'll get great Kosher food and friendly insults at the same time, a terrific New York Experience. If you're there early in the day, have matzobrei (scrambled eggs with matzos) with coffee and applesauce. Yum. Have a *great time! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 06:17:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 05:34:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: mac/pc chat Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.32541.0> Precedence: bulk To Bill and Cecil, Thanks for the Mac chat. I am a Mac addict at heart. I love them! But in order to get by in the this tech world I had to go out and buy a PC. I have a desktop Mac and laptop PC. I am looking at upgrading and and really want another MAC but because of software issues it will probably have to be a PC. I hope one day Apple will thrive again and I won't feel that way. I think it is a far superior product. I love my MAC and tolerate my PC. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 06:49:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 05:58:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: iron/Peggy Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:57:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.3572.0> Precedence: bulk How do you know when a tip needs replaced? My Weller is 15 years old and starting to not hold it's temperature besides getting hot at where the cord comes into the Iron. I bought a new iron for when this one goes but maybe I just needed a new tip?? Connie Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: Peggy W Johnsen Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle & POP To: KSee X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn You say your Weller100 melted down at the cord that goes into the handle? Most unusual especially since you have only had the iron for two years. I have had my weller for a good 10 years and have used is constantly and except for a new tip, it is still going strong. Unless your iron was defective to begin with, there is no reason for your iron to have crashed. You may want to contact the Weller folk and find out if it were something with this particular iron. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 07:30:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@erols.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: New York City Date: 04 Dec 99 09:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk An absolute must is the Heller Gallery. It's the only gallery in NYC that specializes in glass. They have Chihuly and Lino Taglia.... stuff--plus even more wonderful things! They used to be in Soho, but now that Soho is so hot they had to move out--rents are sky-high! They are now located on 14th Street between ninth and tenth avenues. This is the newest upandcoming area--wish I could buy there NOW! Check out Soho, too, and the tribeca area. Neat galleries and super restaurants. Nobu, if you like sushi and the Tribeca Grill--great food Bobby DeNiro owns both of them and they're great for people watching. You never know who you're going to see. I never go without catching glimpses of lots of famous people out just being people! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 07:47:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:01:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: esavad@home.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:58:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec4.145853.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/3/1999 7:35:33 PM EST, esavad@home.net writes: > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > no it's still a stained glass subject. people just starting out in this > craft or still impressionable. and i don't want them to think that > sloppy soldering is an ok thing to do. i always finish the front. the > back, i generally leave flat, unless people will definitly see it. > > i've seen alot of bad soldering, being pushed off as proffesional. it's > like not ever washing your car, or you windows. > > > ---Mike Savad > For crying out loud! FINISH the back. It's part of the strengthening process. And for pete's sake, do it well. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 07:59:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:03:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: iron/Peggy Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.5328.0> References: <<1999Dec4.3572.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Connie Bartel wrote: > > How do you know when a tip needs replaced? > My Weller is 15 years old and starting to not hold it's temperature besides > getting hot at where the cord comes into the Iron. I bought a new iron > for when this one goes but maybe I just needed a new tip?? > Connie > > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:45:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Peggy W Johnsen > Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle & POP > To: KSee > X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn > > You say your Weller100 melted down at the cord that goes into the handle? > Most unusual especially since you have only had the iron for two years. I > have had my weller for a good 10 years and have used is constantly and > except for a new tip, it is still going strong. > > Unless your iron was defective to begin with, there is no reason for your > iron to have crashed. You may want to contact the Weller folk and find > out if it were something with this particular iron. Peggy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if the tip is corroded, replace the tip. if it's not keeping it's heat replace the iron. in my case i have the ungar, and the tip and heater are the same thing, so i have to replace the heater either way. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 08:15:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:24:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mac/pc chat/mirror, mirror on the wall... Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:21:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.52110.0> References: <<1999Dec4.32541.0>> Precedence: bulk Connie Bartel wrote: > > Thanks for the Mac chat. I am a Mac addict at heart. I love them! Ah! Brand loyalty--I'm sure that Steve Jobs thanks you! But the most important thing for you and everyone else is to find the best product for the job--despite whether you think it's cute or not. My question today is whether or not there's a market for fancy mirrors w/ stained glass accoutrements! I got some broken mirror glass and built a small hand-held mirror with stained glass that's looks pretty good---is there any future (retail) in this? Or in making full length things of this sort? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 09:19:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:46:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mac/pc chat/mirror, mirror on the wall... Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:44:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.64458.0> References: <<1999Dec4.52110.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Connie Bartel wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the Mac chat. I am a Mac addict at heart. I love them! > > Ah! Brand loyalty--I'm sure that Steve Jobs thanks you! But the most important > thing for you and everyone else is to find the best product for the job--despite > whether you think it's cute or not. > > My question today is whether or not there's a market for fancy mirrors w/ stained > glass accoutrements! I got some broken mirror glass and built a small hand-held > mirror with stained glass that's looks pretty good---is there any future (retail) > in this? > Or in making full length things of this sort? > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass what i've seen latley that's popular is mirror windows. where you get a junky, weather beaten wood window the type that's divided up. pop out the glass, and replace it with mirror. add a place to hang it and your done. personally i think there the ugliest things in the world, next to peel off glass. i think people would'nt mind to have a suncatcher attached to the mirror, as long as it doesn't cover up the mirror. i've seen some mirrors broken up so much, that you could'nt possibly use it as a source of relfection. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 09:49:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:10:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: mac/pc chat/mirror, mirror on the wall... Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:53:32 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.165332.0> Precedence: bulk At 10:21 04/12/99 -0500, Joseph wrote: I got some broken mirror glass and built a small hand-held >mirror with stained glass that's looks pretty good---is there any future (retail) >in this? Yes they are popular - but make sure you use leadfree solder - or mark the product with the usual warnings about handling lead if not! Regards EliZabeth in Bournemouth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 10:19:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:00:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: NYC Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 12:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.75915.0> References: <> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Don't miss the Chagall windows at the UN. While there, have lunch in the delegates dining room. If you hit the Cloisters, be sure to see the famous unicorn tapestries. I'm not usually into tapestries, but these are enchanting. Glenna Rand wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Any special glass museums I should check out while I'm in NYC? > Any tips on holiday sights? > I'll be there from the 13-16th. > Thanks a bunch! > > -- > Glenna Rand > gjr@bungi.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 11:29:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:55:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mac/pc chat/mirror, mirror on the wall... Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:54:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.8545.0> References: <<1999Dec4.165332.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: > > At 10:21 04/12/99 -0500, Joseph wrote: > I got some broken mirror glass and built a small hand-held > >mirror with stained glass that's looks pretty good---is there any future > (retail) > >in this? > > Yes they are popular - but make sure you use leadfree solder - or mark the > product with the usual warnings about handling lead if not! > > Regards > EliZabeth in Bournemouth > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you can really say that about any stained glass things... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 12:33:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:10:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Leadfree solder for small mirrors? Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:08:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991204200801.007b1630@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<1999Dec4.165332.0>> Precedence: bulk At 13:54 04/12/99 -0500, Mike S wrote: >>studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: >> Yes (hand mirrors) are popular - but make sure you use leadfree solder - or mark the >> product with the usual warnings about handling lead if not! you can really say that about any stained glass things... >---Mike Savad Yes - I agree - but handbag mirrors and dressing table handheld mirrors are handled a lot - and surely the buyer/owner should be warned if they are likely to get lead on their hands after using it? And I have seen mirrors with long slender handles on sale with no warnings - if these are used in the bedroom will a mother always be able to stop their small children putting the handles in their mouths? I think not!! especially if they dont know they are made with lead solder and that they should keep them out of the reach of small children. Over here they have already banned the use of paint containing lead for childrens toys - I cant see the difference in risk factors! To avoid any possible problems what is wrong or difficult about labelling goods as having been made of lead-solder? And the seller could always use leadfree if they coouldnt be bothered with explaining the risks. EliZabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 14:36:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:49:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering tips Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:49:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec4.21496.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/99 3:57:46 AM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >What with all the talk about soldering it might be a good time to have >a thread on techniques. Here are some of mine. >[...] >6. When a panel side is completed take a couple of minutes to insure all >joints are made and correct any irregularities. 7. Don't unplug your iron until after you've washed the flux off your panel and inspected it thoroughly. That way you won't have to wait for the iron to reheat if you need to touch up bubbles or other rough spots that may have been hidden by gunky flux. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 14:58:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Re: mac/pc chat Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:49:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec4.21492.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/99 9:18:01 AM, BLUEHERON@etinternet.net writes: >I am looking at upgrading and >and really want another MAC but because of software issues it >will probably have to be a PC. I hope one day Apple will thrive again >and I won't feel that way. I think it is a far superior product. I love >my MAC and tolerate my PC. Connie Assuming you can afford it, there's an easy answer to that one: Buy a loaded Mac G3 (the tower kind, not the iMac kind), or (even better) a G4, and install "SoftPC." Voila! - you've got the machine you want, with the ability to run all the PC stuff you have to "tolerate." What's more, even with that "foreign" Windoze operating system grafted onto it, a G4 (or even a top of the line G3) will run your PC software noticeably faster than a PC can. Sparks Kawasaki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 15:41:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:08:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Lead free Solder for small mirrors Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:04:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.13411.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I would be more concerned about my child,if I had one, playing with GLASS or MIRROR that can BREAK and CUT them than a little momentary lead exposure, but for the long haul the primary intended user of such hand held mirror should not be subjected to unnecessary exposure to lead when lead free is available. "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" wrote: > > At 13:54 04/12/99 -0500, Mike S wrote: > >>studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: > >> Yes (hand mirrors) are popular - but make sure you use leadfree solder - > or mark the > >> product with the usual warnings about handling lead if not! > > you can really say that about any stained glass things... > > >---Mike Savad > > Yes - I agree - but handbag mirrors and dressing table handheld mirrors are > handled a lot - and surely the buyer/owner should be warned if they are > likely to get lead on their hands after using it? > And I have seen mirrors with long slender handles on sale with no warnings > - if these are used in the bedroom will a mother always be able to stop > their small children putting the handles in their mouths? I think not!! > especially if they dont know they are made with lead solder and that they > should keep them out of the reach of small children. > Over here they have already banned the use of paint containing lead for > childrens toys - I cant see the difference in risk factors! > To avoid any possible problems what is wrong or difficult about labelling > goods as having been made of lead-solder? And the seller could always use > leadfree if they coouldnt be bothered with explaining the risks. > EliZabeth > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 16:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:48:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Mike Savad , glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:/mirror, mirror on the wall... Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 19:49:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.154926.0> References: <<1999Dec4.64458.0>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk Mosaic mirrors are popular. Glass Craftsman had a good article on them a couple of months back. I found odd shapes were most popular. The one I sold first was the one where I used the weird shaped end of a piece o f mirror, not the rectangles or diamonds that I measured so carefully. Figures! Gail Mike Savad wrote: > Joseph Augusta wrote: > > > > Connie Bartel wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the Mac chat. I am a Mac addict at heart. I love them! > > > > Ah! Brand loyalty--I'm sure that Steve Jobs thanks you! But the most important > > thing for you and everyone else is to find the best product for the job--despite > > whether you think it's cute or not. > > > > My question today is whether or not there's a market for fancy mirrors w/ stained > > glass accoutrements! I got some broken mirror glass and built a small hand-held > > mirror with stained glass that's looks pretty good---is there any future (retail) > > in this? > > Or in making full length things of this sort? > > > > Best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > what i've seen latley that's popular is mirror windows. where you get a > junky, weather beaten wood window the type that's divided up. pop out > the glass, and replace it with mirror. add a place to hang it and your > done. > > personally i think there the ugliest things in the world, next to peel > off glass. > > i think people would'nt mind to have a suncatcher attached to the > mirror, as long as it doesn't cover up the mirror. i've seen some > mirrors broken up so much, that you could'nt possibly use it as a source > of relfection. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making > your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are > also a lot of new Sky City pictures. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 17:06:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:21:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: iron/Peggy Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:19:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec4.81954.0> References: <<1999Dec4.3572.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Connie: You have just described one of the symptoms indicating the need for a new tip. Actually mine was a bit more obvious...a hole had burned through. Periodically you should take the tip out and clean the contact area. A long screw driver is helpful for this. As you solder the flux fumes can deposit solids that eventually get between the tip and the contacts. If you take your tip out and scrap the screw driver around and then knock out the scraped off particles, you will be amazed at what falls out. Hope this helps but I would definitely try out a new tip before springing for a new iron. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 17:22:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:26:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: mac/pc chat/mirror, mirror on the wall... Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:24:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec4.82446.0> References: <<1999Dec4.165332.0>> Precedence: bulk Don't for get that if you use mirror glass you have to use special care to prevent "dry rot"...the ugly black creeping stuff that really makes a mirror look bad. The last several messages today seem to be filled with differing opinions. Is it time to remind everyone that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder? Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 17:28:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:06:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: mac/pc/sparks Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:05:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.1555.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Sparks, I had forgotten about soft PC. Have you had any experience with it? Wasn't there a couple of products on the market that did this function? Have you tried any of the graphical programs with it? Connie At 04:49 PM 12/04/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 12/4/99 9:18:01 AM, BLUEHERON@etinternet.net writes: > >>I am looking at upgrading and >>and really want another MAC but because of software issues it >>will probably have to be a PC. I hope one day Apple will thrive again >>and I won't feel that way. I think it is a far superior product. I love >>my MAC and tolerate my PC. Connie > >Assuming you can afford it, there's an easy answer to that one: > >Buy a loaded Mac G3 (the tower kind, not the iMac kind), or (even better) a >G4, and install "SoftPC." Voila! - you've got the machine you want, with the >ability to run all the PC stuff you have to "tolerate." What's more, even >with that "foreign" Windoze operating system grafted onto it, a G4 (or even a >top of the line G3) will run your PC software noticeably faster than a PC can. > > >Sparks Kawasaki >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 18:04:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:43:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: nadinesfolly@erols.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New York City Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.153955.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk nadinesfolly@erols.com wrote: > An absolute must is the Heller Gallery. > It's the only gallery in NYC that specializes > in glass. You may want to ask Doug Heller if he'll show you some of Joseph Augusta's work--- best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 20:03:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:37:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "bungi list" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Fw: (please read) ng Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:44:16 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec4.194416.0> Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Copta, Clarissa To: hsoter@aol.com ; Pamela Bruner ; sandra.oxley@shumsky.com ; Stephany Copta ; TayJay94@aol.com ; Vasquez, Sabrina Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 8:00 AM Subject: FW: (no subject) >Don't know how true this is but FYI. >cc > >> Watch out-this is for real!!!!!!! >> I just heard on the radio about a lady that was asked >> to sniff a bottle of perfume that another woman was selling for $8.00. >> (In a mall parking lot) She told the story that it was her last bottle of >> perfume that regularly sells for $49.00 but she was getting >> rid of it for only $8.00, sound legitimate? That's what the victim >> thought, >> but when she awoke she found out that her car had been moved to another >> parking area and she was missing all her money that was in her >> wallet (total of $800.00). Pretty steep for a sniff of perfume! >> Anyway, the perfume wasn't perfume at all, it was some kind of ether or >> strong substance to cause anyone who breathes the fumes to black out. >> SO beware..... Christmas time is coming and we will be going to malls >> shopping and we will have cash on us. >> Ladies, please don't be so trusting of others and beware of your >> surroundings-ALWAYS! Obey your instincts! >> *Please pass this on to your friends, sisters, mothers and >> all the women in your life you care about....... >> * we can never be too careful!!!!* >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 4 23:52:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:02:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "bungi list" Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: need pattern help Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 01:36:29 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.93629.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0122_01BF3EC1.2764F040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit first Happy holidays to all! now for the hard one- does anyone have a pattern for ruby slippers like the one dorothy wore on the wizard of oz and the second one i'm looking for is a fire engine both of these are to be 9inch circle suncatchers so pretty simple - i've searched for coloring boks any help would be very much appreciated- thanks ricky glass expressions email glassx@bardstown.com- oh ps need for christmas presents-its late so too all good night! 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Subject: Re: NYC Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 05:10:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199912051008.FAA18049@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Only take a cab to the cloisters if you have lots & lots of money! > There are buses that go there. You could find out at an information > center or by calling the cloisters. Or ask at the Information Desk in the lobby of the Metropolitan Museum of Art ! I woke up this morning thinking about Glenna's trip to NYC, oddly enough. I realized that what with the Met, The Cloisters, the U.N. and whatever else's been suggested, her 3 days are going to be full. The Met alone could take a full day, truth be told; she and her husband are going to have tired footsies from all the walking around. Be sure to fit in some nap times. I suggested a cab from the Met to the Cloisters because taking a bus will take quite a while. Traffic can be *intense. There'll only be about 8 million other people in Manhattan those three days, too. But if you do take a cab, Glenna. I'd suggest you get a ways out of midtown before hailing one. Walk across Central Park (yes, you can do that) to 81st Street, stopping at the Museum of Natural History (very cool) if you want, then continue to Broadway (same direction, away from the Met). If you hail a cab there, you'll be on the West Side Highway immediately (just about) and at the Cloisters in no time. (Of course, instead of striking for 81st Street, you could head toward West 72nd Street, where at the corner of Central Park West, you'll find The Dakota, John and Yoko's house. Well, she still has their apartment there.) Everything Ali says about the beauty of the Cloisters is true, though. It's sort of a hidden-in-plain-sight secret of NYC. It's not really an old castle brougt from Euope by Rockefeller, but *bits and pieces of several castles, cloisters, nunneries, churches and whatnot, all of which were then melded together into some sort of coherent (or at least semi-coherent) assemblage. It's very nice, very quiet and beautiful. My youngest son and I used to go there regularly during the summer to enjoy the "kitchen garden" of medieval herbs on the south side of the building; I think they're all pretty much dead and uglified during the winter, though. Enjoy the trip! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 04:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 03:26:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: "Spitzer, Charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: soldering rules d'jour? Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:25:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.132527.0> References: <<1999Dec2.9920.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Charlie and all bungians I would like to ask two questions about SG soldering: what is the minimum space to leave between the pieces of glass (you mention it is a bad thing to hold panel tight) to be filled up with solder, and how much solder is enough to hold them together (front and back): is it necessary for the solder to look bulky, that's to say, not flat? I have tended to place glass pieces touching each other, but found that the more pieces a panel or lamp has, the more strongly it holds together, suposse the soldering forms a kind of skeleton or network, and the more "lines" to it, the stronger it gets, right? It'd be great to be able to see what a good soldering is to look like, any references? Thank you for your attention and help in advance. I look forward to hearing from you. Elena in Bilbao Spitzer, Charlie escribió: > well, it isn't the foil glue holding it together. after all, tiffany didn't > use glued foil but used beeswax. did all his stuff fall apart when i wasn't > looking? > > when you solder foiled panels, you're actually creating H shaped solder > paths. that's why it's such a bad thing to have your panel so tight that no > solder can get in between the pieces. THAT is what makes it be strong and > hold together. > > that said, i prefer leaded pieces to foiled. my wife is the reverse. > > regards, > charlie > phx, az > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joseph Augusta [mailto:jaugusta@adelphia.net] > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 11:17 AM > > To: glass > > Subject: stained glass rules du jour? > > > > > > Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this > > stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that > > goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines > > you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the > > rain and do something else. Who cares? > > > > Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself > > because her > > soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: > > 1. who cares > > if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece > > together--and in > > this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting > > on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical > > technique is just the the means to an end! > > > > Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 > > inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't > > crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually > > is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with > > sticky stuff on > > the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil > > anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's > > some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and > > glass! Where's the truth there? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 05:07:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 04:24:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: More fun with mirrors! Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 07:21:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.22126.0> Precedence: bulk Made a small mirror yesterday with a sg border--hung it in a window, and what's interesting is that you have the light coming in through the glass while in the mirror you can see what's behind you--in my case another window, and a view of the garden out front! Magic? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 05:20:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 04:39:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Connie Bartel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mac/pc chat Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 07:43:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.34355.0> References: <<1999Dec4.32541.0>> Precedence: bulk > I have a desktop Mac and laptop PC. I am looking at upgrading and > and really want another MAC but because of software issues it > will probably have to be a PC. I hope one day Apple will thrive again The iMac is the best selling computer model on the face of the planet at the current time. More than Gateway, more than Dell, more than IBM. The iBook is the best selling laptop. Apple's problem has always be perception. And in the realm of "if we'd only known", five years ago Apple was trading at about 25. Since the introduction of the iMac it has steadily climbed, probably in direct proportion to sales. Friday it closed at about 117. We coulda all been rich. sigh. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 05:35:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 04:52:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "KSee" To: "Joseph Augusta" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New York City Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 07:18:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.21819.0> References: <<1999Dec4.153955.0>> Precedence: bulk Good Morning Joseph, Great to hear you have something at the Heller. Do you have a web site or a URL where your work is exhibited? Please tell us something about your work & a brief bio would be great! KSee http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html www.ncagg.org http://pagoo.com/signature/kseeglass ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Augusta To: Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:39 PM Subject: Re: New York City | nadinesfolly@erols.com wrote: | | > An absolute must is the Heller Gallery. | > It's the only gallery in NYC that specializes | > in glass. | | You may want to ask Doug Heller if he'll show you some of Joseph | Augusta's work--- | | best wishes, | Joseph | | ---- | For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com | To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com | Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 05:39:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 05:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nesbeonline.com!rcollin1 From: Bob Collins To: Glass Expressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: need pattern help Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 07:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.25815.0> References: <<1999Dec5.93629.0>> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk I want to know what is causing these blank messages from bungi?? I'm on some other lists and do not have this problem. Thanks Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 05:52:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 05:18:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG Re: mac/pc/sparks Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:18:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec5.13184.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/4/99 8:29:03 PM, BLUEHERON@etinternet.net writes: >I had forgotten about soft PC. Have you had any experience with it? Nope, haven't needed it so far. >Wasn't there a couple of products on the market that did this function? I had forgotten about Virtual PC. According to karens@inreach.com: >As a Mac addict who is forced to use a PeeCee on occasion I can >recommend Connectix Virtual PC 3.0 wholeheartedly. I use it when I work >from home for the 2 applications that are not available natively for my >Mac. I have a 333MHz PowerMac G3 and it runs the windoze applications as >fast as the EnTee at work. Most people who have used both machines tend >to agree that the Mac is easier to setup and maintain. If every program >you need runs on a Mac - get one. Otherwise - get a Mac anyway and use >Virtual PC 3.0. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 06:40:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:13:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: soldering rules d'jour? Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 09:13:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.41331.0> References: <<1999Dec5.132527.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Elena Rodríguez wrote: > > Hi Charlie and all bungians > I would like to ask two questions about SG soldering: what is the minimum space > to leave between the pieces of glass (you mention it is a bad thing to hold > panel tight) to be filled up with solder, and how much solder is enough to hold > them together (front and back): is it necessary for the solder to look bulky, > that's to say, not flat? I have tended to place glass pieces touching each > other, but found that the more pieces a panel or lamp has, the more strongly > it holds together, suposse the soldering forms a kind of skeleton or network, > and the more "lines" to it, the stronger it gets, right? It'd be great to be > able to see what a good soldering is to look like, any references? Thank you > for your attention and help in advance. I look forward to hearing from you. > Elena in Bilbao > there shouldn't be any space between spaces, depsite what many people think. solder will be pulled into the seam by capilary action. in most panels though perfectly tight seems is never the case. there's always a few pieces that don't want to coorporate. the solder gives strength and attaches the pieces together, but it's not what makes the panel strong. the strength comes in the way you design it. if you have a checker board, i don't care how far apart the seams are, if there isn't a border of any kind surounding the pieces (gives it strength), the whole thing is going to fall apart. a good solder line, should be a even bead. like what lead came looks like (the round stuff). soldering should try to be as neat as that. though it's never going to be perfect - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/sc_winedge.htm this is a part of sky city, this shows beading, it could be better, but it's often difficult to get a bead on something like this (small pieces open spaces). i found the best beads are about an 1/8" wide (as wide as solder). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 07:11:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 06:36:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mac/pc chat Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 09:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.41552.0> References: <<1999Dec5.34355.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hilary wrote: > > > I have a desktop Mac and laptop PC. I am looking at upgrading and > > and really want another MAC but because of software issues it > > will probably have to be a PC. I hope one day Apple will thrive again > > The iMac is the best selling computer model on the face of the planet at > the current time. More than Gateway, more than Dell, more than IBM. The > iBook is the best selling laptop. Apple's problem has always be perception. > > And in the realm of "if we'd only known", five years ago Apple was > trading at about 25. Since the introduction of the iMac it has steadily > climbed, probably in direct proportion to sales. Friday it closed at > about 117. We coulda all been rich. sigh. > > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass one of the main things i hate about macs, besides they're pukey colors. is the fact they go back about 10 steps behind other computers. they're slower, less effiecient, not terribly upgradable, no floppy, etc. people like 'em because their either confused, on drugs, or really like the pretty colors. oh, if you didn't notice, i like PC's... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 08:12:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 07:48:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: ng: sg in spanish Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 10:46:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec5.154656.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone- Can anyone tell me the correct way to say "stained glass" in spanish? It's for part of my oral interview for spa3 and I can't seem to find the correct interpretation. "Hago el cristal y mosaicos manchados" doesn't seem to be right. I'd appreciate any help! thanks, Laura 13 days to graduation!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 10:19:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:42:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mac/pc chat (NG) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:42:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199912051741.MAA24061@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > The iMac is the best selling computer model on the face of the > planet at the current time. More than Gateway, more than Dell, more > than IBM. The iBook is the best selling laptop. Apple's problem has > always be perception. Hi, Hilary. Where'd you get that info? I couldn't find much of recent note on the Apple corporate site except an announcement from two weeks ago that said the iBook was at that time the number selling portable computer and that, in combination with their PowerBook sales, they have an 11% share of the portable market. Did you find something else? CUPERTINO, California-Nov. 22, 1999-Apple's blueberry iBookT is the number one selling portable computer in the U.S. retail market in October, according to the most recent monthly hardware report by PC Data. The complete report is available at www.pcdata.com. Based on this report, the combined sales of Apple's iBook and PowerBookr portable computer lines give Appler an 11 percent share of the U.S. retail portable market in October. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 10:35:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:42:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG Re: mac/pc Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:42:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199912051741.MAA23352@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > >I had forgotten about soft PC. Have you had any experience with it? > > Nope, haven't needed it so far. About one in ten of my customers will send floppies or Zip disks that are formatted for Mac, so I have MacOpener running in the background. Any Mac disks open and are useable exactly as if they were PC disks. Very helpful, totally transparent, and I can in that way easily help those clients who run on the Apple operating system. There's not many of them, but one should still be able to run their stuff and at $60, it's cheap and seamless. Albert (who's a designer for print and web, just so ya know) B.A. Design (glass), M.A. Art (glass), etc., etc., blahblahblah Albert Lewis AllDesignCom.com | Design & Communications __________________________________________ 54 Cherry Street North Adams MA 01247 413 663-7946 Fax: 413 663-7167 http://www.alldesigncom.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 10:49:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:42:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: blank messages (ng) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:42:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199912051741.MAA23798@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > I want to know what is causing these blank messages from bungi?? > I'm on some other lists and do not have this problem. It's usually people new to the web and to email who mistakenly "send" before they're ready, Bob. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 10:50:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:51:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: KSee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New York City Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 11:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.64154.0> References: <<008f01bf3f1a$d2a6a760$13d5f4d1@oemcomputer>> Precedence: bulk KSee wrote: > Good Morning Joseph, > Great to hear you have something at the Heller. Do you have a web site or a > URL where your work is exhibited? > I have a site--but it's from my old ISP with just paintings and digital images only--nothing in glass yet-- If interested, here's a small acrylic painting entitled *slice* --reworked in Photoshop--done earlier this year: http://www.capecod.net/~jaugusta/slice.jpg best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 12:53:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Mike Savad , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: soldering rules d'jour? Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:28:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.82835.0> References: <<1999Dec5.41331.0>> Precedence: bulk You can hold a jigsaw puzzle from the top hanging down, and none of the peices will fall out. But it doesnt hurt to add a little glue. :o) Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 19:27:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:58:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: gjr@bungi.com Subject: Re: NYC Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 21:52:43 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec6.25243.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk I don't know about museums but I always go into the Stueben gallery on 5th Avenue and drool. You are going at the perfect time. I was there over Thanksgiving and the tree wasn't lit yet. But it is now. There is no place like NYC at Christmas time (and I'm Jewish)! Have a great trip! ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 19:57:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:35:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "bungi list" Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: help on pattern 2nd try Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:15:20 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.71520.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01BF3F76.99853D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry guys the first one i'm told was blank- I'm tring to find a pattern of ruby slippers like wizard of oz and also a pattern of a fire engine i've tried the several pattern sites and coloring books anyone have an idea. thnks in advance for any help these are for larger suncatchers - so not too detailed! 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X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Trip Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 19:42:11 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Thanks everyone for the NYC trip tips. I can't wait to go! Thanks again everyone!! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 21:06:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:13:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Glass Expressions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: help on pattern 2nd try Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 22:11:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.161149.0> References: <<1999Dec6.71520.0>> Precedence: bulk Your message only appears to be blank. The message can be found by viewing "page source". Ive quoted you from there. You have your mail set to Mime format. If you turn that off, it may deliver normally. It appears you also sent a .gif file. Not a good idea to the list as many people cannot download them, or pay extra for that sort of thing. If I can be of help I will, Sorry, I dont have the patterns you are requesting. Suzanne > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01BF3F76.99853D00 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > sorry guys the first one i'm told was blank- I'm tring to find a pattern > of ruby slippers like wizard of oz and also a pattern of a fire engine > i've tried the several pattern sites and coloring books anyone have an idea. > thnks in advance for any help these are for larger suncatchers - so not too > detailed! Am I asking for a miracle or what? ha ha merry christmas too > all and too all goodnight (just couldn't resist) glassx@bardstown.com > thanks ricky > > ------=_NextPart_000_014A_01BF3F76.99853D00 > Content-Type: image/gif > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-ID: <014301bf3f33$8b480c60$cbbad7d1@oemcomputer> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 5 22:44:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:11:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: blank messages (ng) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:10:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.20103.0> References: <<199912051741.MAA23798@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Well - I have been sending messages for some months now, and am an experienced user, yet one of my messages last week came in as one of the blank ones.. Since I had done nothing different and another message sent during the same session came through...hmmmm...so Bob, I dunno about that. But Albert is right - I don't have this problem on any other lists either. - Cec Albert Lewis wrote: > > I want to know what is causing these blank messages from bungi?? > > I'm on some other lists and do not have this problem. > > It's usually people new to the web and to email who mistakenly "send" > before they're ready, Bob. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 08:03:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:32:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Instructors Needed Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 06:42:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec5.224228.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Hello All, The education chairperson for the Saskatoon Glassworkers Guild is looking for instructors. If you have the qualifications below and you want to visit Saskatoon this spring please email me off list and let me know. Qualifications are: Sandlblast techniques, specifically with an emphasis on shading design and techniques. Have a great day everyone!! Pam p.s. nice to be back on the best glass list around by the way :) -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 09:42:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:03:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: 3RD TRIED Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:05:19 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.21519.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01BF3FEA.8BFBDEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI ALL SORRY ABOUT THE BLANK MESSAGES -THNKS FOR YOUR HELP YOU WERE CORRECT THE LITTLE BOX WAS NOT CHECKED FOR SEND PLAIN TEXT. 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Precedence: bulk I just discovered why there all blank, It must be a transparent message. Just hold it over a flame and it'll reappear. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 14:52:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:00:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NYC Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:56:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.11569.0> References: <<1999Dec4.24031.0>> Precedence: bulk Although it may seem a cliche, I do enjoy going into St. Patrick's Cathedral. Not just to look at the big windows, but for the space itself, and the quiet. Dorothy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 15:26:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:12:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 3RD TRIED Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 16:47:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.114757.0> References: <<1999Dec6.84614.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Bob Collins wrote: > > I just discovered why there all blank, It must be a transparent message. > Just hold it over a flame and it'll reappear. > > Bob > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe it's written in watermark. hold the monitor up towards the light. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 17:05:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:57:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: NYC Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:41:41 -0000 Message-ID: <199912062352.XAA06379@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear All, ... Agree with Dorothy!! While Jenny and I were in NYC, we too spent a few hours in St.Patrick's. Lovely!! In addition to the Metropolitan Museum of Arts, it's one place in NYC we both agreed we wanted to go back to. Go for it Glenna! Have fun! Best Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby (and Jenny) in UK Although it may seem a cliche, I do enjoy going into St. Patrick's Cathedral. Not just to look at the big windows, but for the space itself, ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 18:44:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:34:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: nesbeonline.com!rcollin1 From: Bob Collins To: Mike Savad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 3RD TRIED Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 20:29:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.152941.0> References: <<1999Dec6.114757.0>> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk I can't. I didn't get a light with my monitor! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 19:25:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:03:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: kermode.net!sherdana From: sherry To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Transparencies Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 17:13:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.91348.0> Precedence: bulk Hello stained glass artist. I work in a school and have lots of old used transparencies. My tip for the day is I clean them up as good as I can and let dry. When I have a pattern that I am following I can trace any solid color pattern piece to the transparency to make a perfect template to lay on top of the glass. I have been successful at printing from my scanner onto the used transparencies as well. I use this technique when I can't see to cut my glass from my pattern. When finished I can toss these out. I also will use this template when I'm grinding as it doesn't matter if the piece I am grinding is wet I can still test it on the plastic for size and fit. Back to lurking Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 6 21:59:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:28:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "sherry" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Transparencies Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec6.17583.0> References: <<1999Dec6.91348.0>> Precedence: bulk Good tip! Thanks, Sherry. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: sherry To: Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 8:13 PM Subject: Transparencies : Hello stained glass artist. : I work in a school and have lots of old used transparencies. My tip for : the day is I clean them up as good as I can and let dry. When I have a : pattern that I am following I can trace any solid color pattern piece to : the transparency to make a perfect template to lay on top of the glass. : I have been successful at printing from my scanner onto the used : transparencies as well. I use this technique when I can't see to cut my : glass from my pattern. When finished I can toss these out. I also will : use this template when I'm grinding as it doesn't matter if the piece I : am grinding is wet I can still test it on the plastic for size and fit. : : Back to lurking : Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 05:39:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 04:01:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Transparencies Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:48:35 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.34835.0> Precedence: bulk Yeah, good trip Sherry. I have used exposed xray films to same effect. Shakeel |Good tip! Thanks, Sherry. | |Tom | |: Hello stained glass artist. |: I work in a school and have lots of old used transparencies. My tip |for |: the day is I clean them up as good as I can and let dry. When I have |a |: pattern that I am following I can trace any solid color pattern piece |to |: the transparency to make a perfect template to lay on top of the |glass. |: I have been successful at printing from my scanner onto the used |: transparencies as well. I use this technique when I can't see to cut |my |: glass from my pattern. When finished I can toss these out. I also |will |: use this template when I'm grinding as it doesn't matter if the piece |I |: am grinding is wet I can still test it on the plastic for size and |fit. |: |: Back to lurking |: Sherry | | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 06:49:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 04:48:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Bunnie4U From: Bunnie4U@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: looking for a pattern Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 07:46:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec7.124653.0> Precedence: bulk hi all :) I'm looking for a stained glass pattern of a harley davidson so that my kids can make a panel for their dad from "Santa". Any help would surely be appreciated. thanks :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 08:24:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:12:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: sherry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Transparencies Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:11:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.161150.0> References: <<1999Dec6.91348.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sherry and everyone in Bungi I use transparencies for my patterns too; that's what I use to draw patterns on glass - no need for a light table, I haven't got one-, and to grind; water helps to stick the transparency on the glass (although I have to hold it too) while giving the piece its final grinding (before that, I grind until the felt marker line inicially drawn is eaten up); this ensures exact sized glass pieces. ALso, there is a kind of transparency thicker than OHP ones, they are used here as a cover for binding photocopies (for example, with a spiral thing like some notebooks). I keep these patterns for next time I want the same design. Permanent felt markers (Staedler) stand water for a while and allow you to see pattern limits when grinding; they come in different point/line widths, so you can make very thin lines, which I find saves glass; alcohol rubs it off, so corrections are very easy to make. It works fine for me, I recommend it too! Elena sherry escribió: > Hello stained glass artist. > I work in a school and have lots of old used transparencies. My tip for > the day is I clean them up as good as I can and let dry. When I have a > pattern that I am following I can trace any solid color pattern piece to > the transparency to make a perfect template to lay on top of the glass. > I have been successful at printing from my scanner onto the used > transparencies as well. I use this technique when I can't see to cut my > glass from my pattern. When finished I can toss these out. I also will > use this template when I'm grinding as it doesn't matter if the piece I > am grinding is wet I can still test it on the plastic for size and fit. > > Back to lurking > Sherry > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 09:25:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 06:12:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: sherry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Transparencies Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:11:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.161150.0> References: <<1999Dec6.91348.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Sherry and everyone in Bungi I use transparencies for my patterns too; that's what I use to draw patterns on glass - no need for a light table, I haven't got one-, and to grind; water helps to stick the transparency on the glass (although I have to hold it too) while giving the piece its final grinding (before that, I grind until the felt marker line inicially drawn is eaten up); this ensures exact sized glass pieces. ALso, there is a kind of transparency thicker than OHP ones, they are used here as a cover for binding photocopies (for example, with a spiral thing like some notebooks). I keep these patterns for next time I want the same design. Permanent felt markers (Staedler) stand water for a while and allow you to see pattern limits when grinding; they come in different point/line widths, so you can make very thin lines, which I find saves glass; alcohol rubs it off, so corrections are very easy to make. It works fine for me, I recommend it too! Elena sherry escribió: > Hello stained glass artist. > I work in a school and have lots of old used transparencies. My tip for > the day is I clean them up as good as I can and let dry. When I have a > pattern that I am following I can trace any solid color pattern piece to > the transparency to make a perfect template to lay on top of the glass. > I have been successful at printing from my scanner onto the used > transparencies as well. I use this technique when I can't see to cut my > glass from my pattern. When finished I can toss these out. I also will > use this template when I'm grinding as it doesn't matter if the piece I > am grinding is wet I can still test it on the plastic for size and fit. > > Back to lurking > Sherry > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 09:25:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stained glass rules du jour? Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 08:53:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.05324.0> References: <<1999Dec2.81648.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Nice troll. Well-done Joseph. Looks like a lot of 'em took the bait hook, line, and sinker. Bob in 95014 P.S. Back from the 'vacation' that I mostly spent fixin' up my dad's house. We gave him a surprise 75th bd party, with about 80-85 ppl present ... never seem 'im with his mouth open so long. Just starting to catch up on email. Joseph Augusta wrote: > Just wondering folks--please no one take offense--but what's all this > stuff about good vs. bad soldering? Isn't solder just the junk that > goes between the real stars of the show---the glass? Like those lines > you see in new concrete sidewalks that are supposed to drain off the > rain and do something else. Who cares? > > Remember a while back when some gal was flagellating herself because her > soldering in the past was so awful? I have two questions: 1. who cares > if your soldering stinks so long as it holds the piece together--and in > this vein--when was the last time you checked out the welding/casting > on Calder mobile, a Picasso, or David Smith sculpture? Physical > technique is just the the means to an end! > > Question number 2 is more technical: Why solder anything beyond 3 > inches long anyway--when you can use lead came--that's neater, doesn't > crap up the atmosphere as much, saves on solder and flux, and actually > is stronger since it's not based on a copper strip with sticky stuff on > the back of it---ugh! Where's the truth in materials with copper foil > anyway? A good sneeze will blow the whole thing apart anyway! It's > some kind of sticky stuff holding the thing together--not metal and > glass! Where's the truth there? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 09:26:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:00:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tightening lead came? Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:50:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.5501.0> Precedence: bulk Rather than using nails to hold the pieces in place when using lead came--I've been using masking tape (lots of) which seems to work OK. Anyone have any other way of doing it? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 10:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 10:40:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chihuly glass sculpture Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 10:04:20 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.2420.0> References: <<1999Nov28.92218.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > A tape of Chihuly was shown. This man is a salesman and a real down to earth > person. Were I a bartender and he, as a stranger, walked in and demanded a > drink, I would open a can of cold local beer and serve it to him sans glass. > There is no doubt he would accept it and drink. When he starts an art piece > he is under no firm illusion of what the final outcome will be. When he > works he seems to be curious of what will develop. > > There are about eight Chihuly shows going on around the world at any one > time. For a treat go to one when it gets near you. Bob, Indeed, Chihuly is a good salesman and doesn't seem terribly pretentious, just a kid from 'the wrong side of the tracks' [that is how he presents himself anyway] who was born with a native talent and made the most of it. I like that about the guy. He DOES know how to beat on his own drum, but thats ok, that just showbiz ... and ya gotta have good PR to make it in showbiz. Chihuly reminds me of my father and his artist buddies in many ways. They're all artists but most of them don't like to be called 'artists' except for PR purposes. A lot of them are somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun politically though of course some are dyed-in-the-wool liberals. Artistic talent has absolutely no relation whatsoever with any political views, which side of the tracks one was born on, educational background, or any thing else. People are either born with artistic talent or they're not. I always find the portrait of 'artists' as being sensitive and misunderstood folks generally a little anti-social and/or socially dysfunctional with normal people due their extreme sensitivity ... to be quite hilarious. Nothing could be further from the truth. Why look at that guy Picasso ... I think the only reason Picasso did anything artistic was so that he could meet more and better looking gals . My own Dad is about as Republican as they come but he made enough money from doing art to retire in his early 40's, and since then he does paintings just for himself and gives a few away to people he really likes, like his son . One of his buddies, a fellow named Wilson Hurley, is the premier Western Landscape artist of our times. Its little known that Wilson is the son of General Hurley (one of the American commanders of the Pacific Theatre in the 1939-1945 war) and went to West Point graduating near the top of his class. Wilson also has two M.S. degrees in math and engineering and was a jet pilot in Korea after which he resigned his commission to pursue art. Wilson's brother, Maj. Gen. Lawrence Hurley was one of JCOS, Chief of the Air Force I believe ... I'm not sure, but he was way up there in any case and with a chest full of medals earned in combat. When Vietnam broke out, Wilson rejoined and flew both helicopters and jets in 'Nam; then went back to painting when the 'conflict' was over. While I don't particularly like Wilson's Hurley's style of painting, he is undeniably one of the great painters of our time ... and an interesting fellow. He recently did some large work(s) for the National Cowboy Hall of Fame in OK City, and there is some of his work (not much actually) on the web. The magazine Southwestern Art regularly has his stuff in it and he's been the feature artist several times. My dad has a bunch of friends like that ... great artists who do not fit into the mold that great artists are supposed to fit into. Gotta go .. time's up ...... regards ..... Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 18:10:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:37:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: looking for a pattern Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:46:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.14461.0> References: <<1999Dec7.124653.0>> Precedence: bulk Corel Print House Magic which is a very inexpensive drawing program (you may find a coupon to cover the cost) has a few Harley Davidson Motorcycles in the "Transportation" folder. I just did one for a friend as well. Print out in "Colouring book" style and you can make your own pattern from that. You can also take an image of a guy on a motocross bike and/or a lady on a scooter in the same folder and make a template of them to place on the bike! Worked pretty well after enlarging. Doug Scale Fire Creations in Glass Corunna, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: looking for a pattern : hi all :) : I'm looking for a stained glass pattern of a harley davidson so that my kids : can make a panel for their dad from "Santa". Any help would surely be : appreciated. : thanks :) : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 7 18:43:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:05:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Shakeel Abedi" , "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Transparencies Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:59:56 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.175956.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, tip not trip. Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakabe@pd.jaring.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 -----Original Message----- From: Shakeel Abedi To: bungi Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Transparencies |Yeah, good trip Sherry. I have used exposed xray films to same effect. |Shakeel | | ||Good tip! Thanks, Sherry. || ||Tom || ||: Hello stained glass artist. ||: I work in a school and have lots of old used transparencies. My tip ||for ||: the day is I clean them up as good as I can and let dry. When I have ||a ||: pattern that I am following I can trace any solid color pattern piece ||to ||: the transparency to make a perfect template to lay on top of the ||glass. ||: I have been successful at printing from my scanner onto the used ||: transparencies as well. I use this technique when I can't see to cut ||my ||: glass from my pattern. When finished I can toss these out. I also ||will ||: use this template when I'm grinding as it doesn't matter if the piece ||I ||: am grinding is wet I can still test it on the plastic for size and ||fit. ||: ||: Back to lurking ||: Sherry || || ||---- ||For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com ||To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com ||Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass || | | |---- |For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com |To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com |Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass | ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 00:00:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:25:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass tumbler Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:24:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec7.14249.0> Precedence: bulk Build your own glass tumbler, Make beach glass by the tire full. Go to: http://www.acc.umu.se/~widmark/lwtrumla.html Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 04:41:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 04:26:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tightening lead came? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 07:23:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.2239.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >Rather than using nails to hold the pieces in place when using lead came--I've been using masking tape (lots of) which seems to work OK. Anyone have any other way of doing it?< At my studio we use a combination of things for keeping lead (and brass) came in place while putting the piece together. - wooden 90 degree corner nailed/screwed into place on the edge of the homosote board - Morton System aluminum straight edges with push pens into the homosote board - (temporarily used during panel construction) scrap pieces of lead held = in place with push pens Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 05:13:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 04:51:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Solar powered kilns Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:54:40 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.45440.0> Precedence: bulk I have been by kilns that have been powered by solar. Living in a tropical country with plenty of sunshine ...... Does anyone anything about it? Does it work and where could I get more information? Thanks & Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi shakabe@pd.jaring.my Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 05:32:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 04:51:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glass tumbler Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.23919.0> References: <<1999Dec7.14249.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > Build your own glass tumbler, Make beach glass by the tire full. Go to: > > http://www.acc.umu.se/~widmark/lwtrumla.html > What a great idea--love the photo! I was about to make a hand-powered glass tumbler using an old bathtub we found out back, welding it onto a spit our neighbors once used to roast a pig, soldering closed the drain and faucet holes, and sealing up the top with an old (removeable) refrigerator door! This one looks much better---thanx! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 05:44:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:17:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Glass tumbler Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:15:06 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec8.13156.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach Bob in 92026: >Build your own glass tumbler, Make beach glass by the tire full. Go to: > >http://www.acc.umu.se/~widmark/lwtrumla.html Manohman, did that ever bring back memories of rockhoundin' with my grandparents when I was a kid! Sparks so far winning the fight with myself *not* to go right out to the garage and build one of those babies *right now* - MORE POWER!!!!!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 06:04:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:19:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hot bead release Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:52:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.15235.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk OK now I bought my hot head made a few great beads and they won't come off the mandrel. I dipped it in "air dry" bead release (I also let it dry) as instructed and still no release. I soaked in warm water to try and release, we also put the mandrels in the icebox for awhile to see if the metal would contract and release the bead. No use. Very frustrating. What am I doing wrong? Thank you. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 06:21:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 05:22:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Did anyone else receive a message from Japan? Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 07:55:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.15526.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk I received a message from a Richard Susilo, an individual from Japan that was inquirying if I was interested in taking a exchange individual to teach them glass. Very unusual email. I wondered if anyone else received the same message? Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 10:32:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:56:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Did anyone else receive a message from Japan? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 09:50:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.15015.0> References: <<1999Dec8.15526.0>> Precedence: bulk Yes. If I was in a position to take on an apprentice, I might cautiously look into it. I have read (mainly in regards to woodworking), that taking an apprenticeship in a different geographical area used to be common in Japanese culture. I wonder if someone is trying to revive the tradition. On the other hand, it could be some sort of come-on to get a visitors visa. Which is why I would look into it with caution. I would be more suspicious of this if it were a second or third world country rather than Japan, but it is still a possibility. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Prullage To: Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 5:55 AM Subject: Did anyone else receive a message from Japan? > I received a message from a Richard Susilo, an individual from Japan > that was inquirying if I was interested in taking a exchange individual > to teach them glass. Very unusual email. I wondered if anyone else > received the same message? > > Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 11:01:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:36:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Artist Needed Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 10:28:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.22851.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Accepting artist referrals for below. If you are interested and you live in NYC email me off group please. Or if you know of someone who would be a good candidate for this job let me know. Job: Stained glass window in eight panes of an English garden scene for a NYC townhouse built in 1852. The window is original and is approximately 3 feet wide and six feet tall. -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 11:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:36:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Icelandic artist needs supplies Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 10:34:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.23442.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Here is a toughy.... Any names of suppliers in or around Iceland?? And...What would be the best way for someone living in Iceland to buy glass art supplies?? Thoughts?? Thanks, Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 11:38:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:01:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!gonzalj From: Jim Gonzalez To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:01:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Dec8.9138.0> Precedence: bulk I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered just not the clean, crisp look I want. I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 12:34:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:11:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Jim Matthews , Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: The latest SCORE Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:04:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.1048.0> Precedence: bulk Dear all, Just received Spectrum's latest issue of "SCORE" with a front-page article on using saws. Pictured is also a marvelous little cat panel that is the most perfect example of = why NOT to use a saw. See those cute little curved tails on those cats? Those are stress fractures waiting to happen. Can you cut those darling skinny little curves by hand?? Then = don't do it with a saw. Glass doesn't like to be cut that way. Again, those tails are = subject to stress fracturing and if you have sold that panel to a customer, they would probably come back some point in the future for you to repair the tails. I hope the artist of that panel lets us know when the fractures occur. = I'll make the point again... it does not matter whether you cut glass by hand or saw. But, the resulting shape of the piece and whether it has structural integrity is vital. The folks who intimately understand the nature of the medium are those who have the experience and skill to cut by hand. It doesn't take that kind of = skill to use the saw and using a saw won't = teach you the characteristics of the medium. A good glazier can cut those tails by hand, but won't. Having and using a saw should not preclude good design either. And good design means understanding your medium. More than just a pompous opinion. Experience. As William Morris said, "The peculiarities of the medium should be a joy to you, not a hindrance." Learn to design FOR glass... not around it. The above applies to leaded and foiled glass, not fused or slumped. (Had to say that so Brad wouldn't get on my case!) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 13:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:56:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: seznam.cz!r.skokan From: Richard Skokan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 21:53:50 +0200 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.235350.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Sirs, I would like to introduce our on-line shop www.inlight.cz with hand cut crystal made in world famous Czech glass companies. Richard Skokan Trade dept. -- http://email.seznam.cz -- email zdarma na cely zivot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 14:40:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:03:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:01:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.1219.0> References: <<1999Dec8.9138.0>> Precedence: bulk I have seen a grinder that has a flat grinding wheel which is great for straight edges. I don't remember the brand name but I think it was a fairly common grinder and I know it was made for glass. They are for sale at Glass Crafters as far as I know. (http://www.craftweb.com/org/glascrafts/glascraf.shtml) There aren't any ginders on their website but if you contact them they would probably help you. Does anyone else know what I am talking about? Lee Boe had one but she is probably off line recovering. If you buy something not specifically made for glass I would think it has to be something which can get wet since you need to grind glass with water. Kris > > I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of > geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. > Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight > edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find > that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves > the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered > just not the clean, crisp look I want. > > I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything > which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt > sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander > type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so > is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? > The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > > Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 15:09:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:20:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Jim Gonzalez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 17:18:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.121859.0> References: <<1999Dec8.9138.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Jim Gonzalez wrote: > > I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of > geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. > Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight > edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find > that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves > the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered > just not the clean, crisp look I want. > > I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything > which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt > sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander > type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so > is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? > The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > > Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass if you have the inland grinder, use the plastic triangle. it takes a while to set up, but i was able to grind 1/2" (azure box), with it. what i had was something like a 1/32-1/16" larger then a 1/2". with foil, i was nearly an inch off at the end. the useless triangle saved the project, though i did waste a ton of foil. not sure if the other companies come with a straight edge. be sure to make a push block if you pieces are narrow. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 15:20:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:52:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Jim Gonzalez Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:18:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.221840.0> References: <<1999Dec8.9138.0@?>> Precedence: bulk If you can feed the belt sander meant for metal with water to cool the glass, you can use the tool. Some practice may be necessary, but in essence, it is the same as the industrial glass smoothing machines. Steve In message <1999Dec8.9138.0@?>, Jim Gonzalez writes > >I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of >geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. >Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight >edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find >that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves >the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered >just not the clean, crisp look I want. > >I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything >which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt >sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander >type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so >is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? >The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > >Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jim > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 15:41:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:57:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Shakeel Abedi Subject: Re: Solar powered kilns Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:51:05 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.21515.0> References: <<1999Dec8.45440.0@?>> Precedence: bulk There is a high temperature furnace in France powered by sunlight reflected by mirrors to a single point. It provides a very high temperature, but takes a whole hillside of mirrors to do it. The problem seems to be the concentration of the sunlight in the appropriate way to provide controllable heat. Steve In message <1999Dec8.45440.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi writes >I have been by kilns that have been powered by solar. Living in a tropical >country with plenty of sunshine ...... Does anyone anything about it? Does >it work and where could I get more information? > >Thanks & Warm Regards > >Shakeel Abedi > >shakabe@pd.jaring.my >Rainbow Stained Glass >104, Jalan Mersing >86000 Kluang >Malaysia >Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 15:53:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:59:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Pamela Burns-Tappan Subject: Re: Icelandic artist needs supplies Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:55:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.215554.0> References: <<1999Dec8.23442.0@?>> Precedence: bulk There are some Icelandic glass artists, who trained in Edinburgh, Scotland. As far as I know, they are practising in Iceland. Supplies could come from UK, Denmark, Germany, or any of the Scandinavian countries. Iceland isn't so far away. Steve In message <1999Dec8.23442.0@?>, Pamela Burns-Tappan writes >Here is a toughy.... Any names of suppliers in or around Iceland?? >And...What would be the best way for someone living in Iceland to buy >glass art supplies?? Thoughts?? > >Thanks, > >Pam > > > >-- > >Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan >Executive Director >The Stained Glass Artists >http://www.stainedglassartists.com >A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. >http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 16:22:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:19:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Jim Gonzalez" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:48:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.54854.0> Precedence: bulk >>I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim<< No belt sander here but I do have a couple of Glastar 12" horizontal diamond disk bevelers. These machines do the job to a fair thee well. Straight edges up to about 30"s are possible. It is important to grind glass wet to keep things cool as well as to remove glass waste. a belt sander might not perform well in this environment. There are combination belt/disk sanders available for wood working where the vertical disk part could be isolated and cooled/cleaned with water. Perhaps one of these with a diamond disk from Glastar would do the job. I would recommend the 220 grit disk for straightening edges. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 16:33:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:29:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, artglass@spectrumglass.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The latest SCORE,good tip! Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:26:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec8.232650.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Dani, The more I work with the glass the more I know what not to do with it! Thanks again for the tip, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 16:44:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:48:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pattern help.... Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:46:30 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec8.234630.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I might find a golf related pattern on the web.... Thanks...Abbie in Va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 17:12:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:59:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: island.net!seaspray From: "synergyglass" To: "Shakeel Abedi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Solar powered kilns Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:00:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.8017.0> References: <<1999Dec8.45440.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel I know nothing about solar powered kilns, but I DO know about powering a remote home with solar energy. A bank of solar panels are attached to a battery storage system where electricity is stored as 12V power. In order to get 110 V power a converter is required. Generally solar systems are used to power only a few items...like a VHF radio, a few lights, perhaps a computer. In my experience, they are not well suited to applications requiring HUGE amounts of power like a kiln. For instance, we still needed a backup generator to power the washing machine, and our stove was propane as an electric stove would have overtaxed the system. For more power, a larger solar array is required to collect more energy and a larger storage facility (battery bank) is needed. So I'd agree with whoever said a whole hillside of collectors was needed to power a furnace! Here's a good primer on the subject: The New Solar Electric Home. The photovoltaics how-to handbook by Joel Davidson ISBN 0-93748-09-8 Good luck Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative www.igga.org/synergy seaspray@island.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Shakeel Abedi To: bungi Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 4:54 AM Subject: Solar powered kilns > I have been by kilns that have been powered by solar. Living in a tropical > country with plenty of sunshine ...... Does anyone anything about it? Does > it work and where could I get more information? > > Thanks & Warm Regards > > Shakeel Abedi > > shakabe@pd.jaring.my > Rainbow Stained Glass > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Malaysia > Tel: +607-7722212, 7729489 Fax: +607-7733313 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 17:17:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:12:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:09:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec8.14951.0> References: <<1999Dec8.221840.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > > If you can feed the belt sander meant for metal with water to cool the > glass, you can use the tool. Some practice may be necessary, but in > essence, it is the same as the industrial glass smoothing machines. > > Steve > In message <1999Dec8.9138.0@?>, Jim Gonzalez > writes > > > >I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of > >geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. > >Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight > >edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find > >that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves > >the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered > >just not the clean, crisp look I want. > > > >I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything > >which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt > >sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander > >type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so > >is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? > >The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > > > >Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Jim > > > > > > > > i would'nt use a belt sander of any kind. there is too much vibration, and it's not meant for water. you may electrocute yourself, and worse, you may crack the glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 18:43:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Leadlines From: Leadlines@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:24:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec9.22456.0> Precedence: bulk Dani, Well said! Luanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 19:53:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:14:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: nadinesfolly@erols.com To: Jim Gonzalez ,glass@bungi.com Subject: re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: 08 Dec 99 22:14:30 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi Jim! I have the Glastar disc grinder for straight edges. I have had it for ten years and it really does the job of straightening out an edge. I just bought a new disc for it. . .10 years isn't bad for one! Nadine www.nadinesfolly.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 8 20:31:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:42:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!gmacfarland From: gmacfarland@juno.com To: Bunnie4U@aol.com Subject: Re: looking for a pattern Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 22:19:22 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec9.31922.0> References: <<1999Dec7.124653.0>> Precedence: bulk Bunnie, Have you tried calling the Harley Davidson dealer nearest you & ask them if they have any printed material (pictures ) you could have copies of. They have brochures of available bikes that could be made into paterns. Good Luck Gail in Mtns of Va. ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 04:29:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 04:16:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New to list Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 06:08:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.0835.0> Precedence: bulk Hi to all: Hi my name is Lee Tollett. My wife and I are new to stained glass, and so far we jest love it. I look forward to all the trick ideas you all come up with, have a nice day!!! Lee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 05:33:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 04:56:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.24149.0> References: <<1999Dec8.1048.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani Greer wrote: > Dear all, > > Just received Spectrum's latest issue of > "SCORE" with a front-page article on using > saws. Hi Dani---How do you get this magazine? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 05:51:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 04:56:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Iceland Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:54:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.45451.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I live in Nova Scotia. There are many flights from Iceland to Halifax full of Icelanders coming to Halifax to do major shopping- like cars, appliances, furniture, etc. Perhaps whoever needs glass supplies could find one of these travellers and make arrangements with them to pick upan order. There is a good glass retail outlet in Halifax whom they could contact prior to the visit to prepare an order. Just a thought. I can provide contact numbers if needed. Gail ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 06:06:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: SG Warehouse catalog-- Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 07:59:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.25918.0> Precedence: bulk Have you seen the online catalog from the Stained Glass Warehouse? It's unusual--everthing's listed in alphabetical order in one column--- http://store.yahoo.com/sgw/ind.html best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 06:28:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 05:30:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:29:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.152957.0> References: <<1999Dec8.9138.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Jim and bungians I have seen something in Glastar's optional equipment that looks like an aluminium ruler to screw to the grinding surface and is called "adjustable straight edge guide"; it said "accurately grinds straight sided rectangles"...is that what you're asking about? Another thing , what is an assembly tray, and where can I see one? One more thing, there is something I once saw a picture of and have long wanted to ask about in bungi: it is a metalic device to attatch to a table with an axis and something like arms perpendicular to it which looked adjustable; I though it could be for panel-lamp assembly; the bad news was it costs some 70,000 pesetas through German-Spanish distributors, a fortune as you can see, does anyone know what I am talking about and where to find it cheaper? Any imput appreciated. Elena in Bilbao Jim Gonzalez escribió: > I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of > geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. > Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight > edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find > that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves > the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered > just not the clean, crisp look I want. > > I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything > which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt > sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander > type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so > is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? > The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > > Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jim > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 08:08:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:46:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: pat jellison To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: SG Warehouse catalog-- Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:44:14 -0500 Message-ID: <384FCE4E.198C722C@ceps.nasm.edu> References: <<1999Dec9.25918.0>> Precedence: bulk Yep -- I boggled at that too. But if you go to http://store.yahoo.com/sgw/onlinecatalog1.html you get it organized by topic (lamps, bevels, etc.) Cheers, PJ Jellison Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Have you seen the online catalog from the Stained Glass Warehouse? It's unusual--everthing's listed in alphabetical order in one column--- > > http://store.yahoo.com/sgw/ind.html > > best wishes, > Joseph > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 09:37:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:08:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:09:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.1936.0> References: <<1999Dec8.1048.0@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk We disagree on this bandsaw thang. Dani ... you're a bit teched on this subject. This is only your OPINION anyway ... so ... Why don't you let it go for a while? Say for about the next 3 or 4 decades? If it were anyone else, I'd either just start blasting ... ya know, start shooting and continue until there is no return fire and then go count the bodies after ... ... or ... just dismiss you entirely. This entire bandsaw thang is kind of a dead issue in the sense that just about everyone has already decided and isn't going to change their mind no matter what anyone else says ... so these discussions can only lead to bad feelings. Is beating this hobby horse really worth it, Dani? Gotta keep movin' ... best regards ... Bob Dani Greer wrote: > Dear all, > > Just received Spectrum's latest issue of > "SCORE" with a front-page article on using > saws. Pictured is also a marvelous little cat > panel that is the most perfect example of = > > why NOT to use a saw. See those cute little > curved tails on those cats? Those are stress > fractures waiting to happen. Can you cut those > darling skinny little curves by hand?? Then = > > don't do it with a saw. Glass doesn't like > to be cut that way. Again, those tails are = > > subject to stress fracturing and if you have sold > that panel to a customer, they would probably > come back some point in the future for you to > repair the tails. I hope the artist of that panel > lets us know when the fractures occur. = > > I'll make the point again... it does not matter > whether you cut glass by hand or saw. But, the > resulting shape of the piece and whether it > has structural integrity is vital. The folks who > intimately understand the nature of the medium > are those who have the experience and skill > to cut by hand. It doesn't take that kind of = > > skill to use the saw and using a saw won't = > > teach you the characteristics of the medium. > A good glazier can cut those tails by hand, > but won't. Having and using a saw should not > preclude good design either. And good design > means understanding your medium. > > More than just a pompous opinion. Experience. > As William Morris said, "The peculiarities of the > medium should be a joy to you, not a hindrance." > Learn to design FOR glass... not around it. > > The above applies to leaded and foiled glass, > not fused or slumped. (Had to say that > so Brad wouldn't get on my case!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 10:08:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:36:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: stratus.com!Charlie_Spitzer From: "Spitzer, Charlie" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.73022.0> Precedence: bulk these exist, and can be purchased. the last time i went to a window glazier shop, they used a belt sander of some type to grind the sharp edges off. i'd try asking them where one could get purchase a sander. however, if you really have to do this in production, i'd go with the disk sander (beveler) that was already mentioned by bob. regards, charlie phx, az -----Original Message----- From: Mike Savad [mailto:esavad@home.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 5:10 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Steve Richard wrote: > > If you can feed the belt sander meant for metal with water to cool the > glass, you can use the tool. Some practice may be necessary, but in > essence, it is the same as the industrial glass smoothing machines. > > Steve > In message <1999Dec8.9138.0@?>, Jim Gonzalez > writes > > > >I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of > >geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. > >Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight > >edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find > >that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves > >the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered > >just not the clean, crisp look I want. > > > >I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything > >which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt > >sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander > >type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so > >is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? > >The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > > > >Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Thanks, > >Jim > > > > > > > > i would'nt use a belt sander of any kind. there is too much vibration, and it's not meant for water. you may electrocute yourself, and worse, you may crack the glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 11:40:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:11:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:09:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.999.0> Precedence: bulk -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: "The Banker's House", INTERNET:bankers@ictc.com To: "Dani Greer", GreerStudios = Date: 12/8/99 4:44 PM RE: Re: The latest SCORE = Bravo! -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: Jim Matthews ; Everyone = Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:43 PM Subject: The latest SCORE >Dear all, > >Just received Spectrum's latest issue of >"SCORE" with a front-page article on using >saws. Pictured is also a marvelous little cat >panel that is the most perfect example of =3D > >why NOT to use a saw. See those cute little >curved tails on those cats? Those are stress >fractures waiting to happen. Can you cut those >darling skinny little curves by hand?? Then =3D > >don't do it with a saw. Glass doesn't like >to be cut that way. Again, those tails are =3D > >subject to stress fracturing and if you have sold >that panel to a customer, they would probably >come back some point in the future for you to >repair the tails. I hope the artist of that panel >lets us know when the fractures occur. =3D > > >I'll make the point again... it does not matter >whether you cut glass by hand or saw. But, the >resulting shape of the piece and whether it >has structural integrity is vital. The folks who >intimately understand the nature of the medium >are those who have the experience and skill >to cut by hand. It doesn't take that kind of =3D > >skill to use the saw and using a saw won't =3D > >teach you the characteristics of the medium. >A good glazier can cut those tails by hand, >but won't. Having and using a saw should not >preclude good design either. And good design >means understanding your medium. > >More than just a pompous opinion. Experience. >As William Morris said, "The peculiarities of the >medium should be a joy to you, not a hindrance." >Learn to design FOR glass... not around it. > >The above applies to leaded and foiled glass, >not fused or slumped. (Had to say that >so Brad wouldn't get on my case!) > >Best regards, > >Dani Greer >Greer Gallery & Studios >www.igga.org/greer/ =3D > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: bankers@ictc.com Received: from lumpy.daktel.com (daktel.com [204.153.161.2]) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with ESMTP id TAA04489 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bankers (ictc2-28.daktel.com [205.198.4.88]) by lumpy.daktel.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21240 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:43:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01bf41f0$0c0e8d60$5804c6cd@bankers> From: "The Banker's House" To: "Dani Greer" Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:49:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 12:11:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:58:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: glass Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:57:31 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.195731.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF427F.A0FBCE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello every-one my names charlie from the uk im a stained glass artist using lead and copper foil techniques. with = subjects ranging from fairies and mythology, celtic designs to = traditional countryside scenes. look foreward to hearing from you soon=20 cheers ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF427F.A0FBCE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BF427F.A0FBCE80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 13:12:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:54:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.103439.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone worked with Spectrum's Artique? It's so "sexy" I wonder if it can actually carry on a decent (visual) conversation--say, in mixed company! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 13:41:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:33:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:16:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199912092014.PAA23155@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > We disagree on this bandsaw thang. > > Dani ... you're a bit teched on this subject. > This is only your OPINION anyway ... so ... I think you missed Dani's point, Bob. She was saying (if I understood correctly myself, that is) that whether glass is cut with a bandsaw or the old-fashioned way, with a cutter, there are certain glass shapes that are inimical to the material ... in other words, shapes that are bound to break simply due to their shape. Having been around glass for the last 30 years, I've certainly seen evidence of what she's talking about: gonzo cutting ("impossible" shapes) that's failed sooner (usually) or later, although yes, sometimes even those somehow have managed to survive. The exceptions prove the rule, though. Even Frank Lloyd Wright did some of that: L-shaped pieces of glass that inevitably cracked across the bottom of the L's leg simply because that's what glass would want to do. So she was suggesting that even though bandsaws might make it possible to make some cuts that hardly anyone would be able to do with a hand cutter, it's still not wise to do so ... and patterns that suggest that such shapes be cut are indications that either the designer of the pattern doesn't know much about the characteristics of the medium or hasn't had much experience cutting the stuff. I agree with her absolutely. My opinion, naturally, but I'll admit that my training in the crafts certainly underscored the necessity of being true to whatever medium one's working in. Using or not using bandsaws in lieu of hand cutters wasn't (as I took her comments) what she was on about. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 13:41:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:39:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:36:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.103657.0> Precedence: bulk -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: Dani Greer, GreerStudios To: Joseph Augusta, INTERNET:jaugusta@adelphia.net = CC: rrk, INTERNET:ezbongo2@pacbell.net Dani Greer, GreerStudios = Date: 12/9/99 12:26 PM RE: Re: The latest SCORE Message text written by Joseph Augusta >I appreciate Dani's input--after al,. when it comes down to it, aren't most preferences simply a matter of opinion? < I'm inclined to believe it's more than just = opinion... and that time and rampant = stress-fracturing of glass that has been cut against the inherent characteristics of the medium... will prove me right. Time will tell, and I don't mind arguing with Bob... we respectfully disagree on a number of issues including the importance of logic = and reason.... respect being the operative word here. ;-D Happy holidays, Dani (who some might say is "teched" in many ways!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 16:34:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:09:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:07:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.14741.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" >She was saying (if I understood = correctly myself, that is) that whether glass is cut with a bandsaw = or the old-fashioned way, with a cutter, there are certain glass = shapes that are inimical to the material ... in other words, shapes = that are bound to break simply due to their shape.< Exactly. Better than I said it. Those impossible cuts are going to break. And who's going to = believe me when I tell 'em my work is guaranteed for 100 years.... when a ton of other glass "out there" is stress fracturing by the score (pardon the pun!) = Best regards, Dani Greer (who just got her first pair of progressive bi-focals and LOVES THEM!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 16:53:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:09:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:07:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.14738.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >Has anyone worked with Spectrum's Artique? It's so "sexy" I wonder if it can actually carry on a decent (visual) conversation--say, in mixed company!< We're gonna have to lock you up before = we let you get your hands on some Lamberts! :-D Who knows what I'm talking about?? Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 18:11:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:38:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.15376.0> References: <<1999Dec9.14738.0>> Precedence: bulk Lamberts is more than sexy........it is truly orgasmic. (oops did i say that???) pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dani Greer" To: "Joseph Augusta" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:07 PM Subject: Spectrum's Artique? > Message text written by Joseph Augusta > >Has anyone worked with Spectrum's Artique? It's so "sexy" I wonder if > it can actually carry on a decent (visual) conversation--say, in mixed > company!< > > We're gonna have to lock you up before = > > we let you get your hands on some Lamberts! > :-D Who knows what I'm talking about?? > > Best, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 19:09:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:41:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "charlie" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:35:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.163510.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "charlie" >im a stained glass artist using lead and copper foil techniques. with =3D= subjects ranging from fairies and mythology, celtic designs to =3D traditional countryside scenes.< Hi Charlie, Welcome aboard.... your work sounds like something I'd like to see - do you have a website? Would you share the url with us? I've always toyed with the idea of illustrating some of the stories from the "Mabinogion" (sp?) in glass. Speaking of urls, the Common Ground:Glass committee is talking about initiating the "URL of Glass"(c) awards next year, so if you see a site that has particularly nice glass, let me know. Remember, we're jurying the quality of the glass, or the quality of the glass information imparted, not necessarily the quality of the web design itself. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 20:11:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:45:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:44:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec10.34413.0> Precedence: bulk I'm going to wwigh in weth Dani, and Albert on the bandsaw thang. It's ok for some things, i suspect it's too slow for me. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 21:15:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:53:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.18466.0> References: <> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I have the equivalent on an Inland, and would not recommend it AT ALL. It is so eccentric that it chips glass. I've sent it back twice and it still isn't right. I've used the Glastar one though and it is SO smooth and does a good job. The ones I've used have the disk, and also space for regular grinding heads. Not much more expensive than a regular grinder without the disk. You can also get a 3-D three sided strip which screws into the holes in a regular grinder top which acts as a glass guide, and that is really cheap. - Cec nadinesfolly@erols.com wrote: > Hi Jim! > > I have the Glastar disc grinder for straight edges. > I have had it for ten years and it really does the > job of straightening out an edge. I just bought a > new disc for it. . .10 years isn't bad for one! > > Nadine > > www.nadinesfolly.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 21:37:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:58:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.185717.0> References: <<1999Dec9.14738.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Lamberts!!!! Oooooohh! AAAAaaahhhhhhh! Me. Someone want to supply me with some? Ah well - I can't afford it. - Cec Dani Greer wrote: > Message text written by Joseph Augusta > >Has anyone worked with Spectrum's Artique? It's so "sexy" I wonder if > it can actually carry on a decent (visual) conversation--say, in mixed > company!< > > We're gonna have to lock you up before = > > we let you get your hands on some Lamberts! > :-D Who knows what I'm talking about?? > > Best, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 9 22:48:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:12:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: hotmail.com!sportsguy268 From: To: sportsguy268@hotmail.com Subject: college bowl games, NFL playoffs, the Superbowl, NBA, College Hoops Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:56:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec9.145621.0> Precedence: bulk BET ON SPORTS - 100% LEGAL, SAFE AND SECURE!! 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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:04:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.2420.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >Has anyone worked with Spectrum's Artique? It's so "sexy" I wonder if it can actually carry on a decent (visual) conversation--say, in mixed company!< I use it all the time now. It's replaced GNA and FNA Antique in the clea= r glass for all my kitchen cabinet work. Very sexy. Looks very nice again= st GNA and FNA and Wissmach too. I also like their new Rough Rolled line. I've replaced a clear "creape" glass with the Spectrum clear RR and have been very satisfied, as have been my clients (cabinet makers). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 05:48:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 05:07:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:08:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199912101307.IAA08559@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk on this day you wrote: >Lamberts!!!! Oooooohh! AAAAaaahhhhhhh! Me. Someone want to supply >me with some? Ah well - I can't afford it. - Cec > Ditto for the Lamberts. I stumbled onto it a few years ago and save it for special occasions. Sexy as hell. Don't forget Fremont - now that's more than sexy - that's orgasmic meltdown, as Sparks can attest. It's responsible for a new baby!! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 06:01:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:54:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.25120.0> References: <<199912092014.PAA23155@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > I think you missed Dani's point, Bob. She was saying --- Ah! Dani's female?! All this time I thought I was writing to a guy! Let me think back, did I do any *guytalk* with her? Hope not! Oops, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 06:14:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 05:26:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:25:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec10.132519.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/9/99 7:53:59 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: >We're gonna have to lock you up before >we let you get your hands on some Lamberts! >:-D Who knows what I'm talking about?? Awwwwwwwww, now you've done it! I'm going to start going on again about "erotic meltdown," and I'm going to have another "Maternity Suit" on my hands! Which reminds me - has anyone heard from Vic Modiano lately? (For those of you who joined this program already in progress, he and his wife are expecting a little one any day now - if it's not already been born - and he claimed that my having gone publicly gaga over the Chihuly exhibit in Delaware was directly responsible.) Sparks off to check on my stock of birth-control devices....... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 08:43:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: millenium project Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991210104317.007b3870@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk I have recently been commissioned to do a project to celebrate the millenium. My thought were to silkscreen some pictures to glass and incorporate them into a finished piece. Is anyone here skilled at the technique? Willing to help me out with this challenge? Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 09:47:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.71329.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta > Ah! Dani's female?! All this time I thought I was writing to a guy! Let me think back, did I do any *guytalk* with her? Hope not! < Now don't be doing that to me, Joseph. I have way too much work in the next few days to be rolling on the floor laughing like a mad fool!! Best regards, Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 10:11:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.71329.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta > Ah! Dani's female?! All this time I thought I was writing to a guy! Let me think back, did I do any *guytalk* with her? Hope not! < Now don't be doing that to me, Joseph. I have way too much work in the next few days to be rolling on the floor laughing like a mad fool!! Best regards, Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 10:32:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: suzy Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.71327.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by suzy >Don't forget Fremont - now that's more than sexy - that's orgasmic = meltdown, as Sparks can attest. < Yup, Fremont is nice, too. But, there's more selection with Lamberts.... oooohh, those yummy colors. Now, for a straight-forward and very useable clear background glass, I've developed a real appreciation for glacier glass. Anybody else? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 10:34:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:20:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:13:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.71320.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood >Lamberts!!!! Oooooohh! AAAAaaahhhhhhh! Me. Someone want to suppl= y me with some? Ah well - I can't afford it. - Cec< I just price my jobs so I can use Lamberts when possible... I'm always looking for a way to price in a boom lift, too! Best regards, ;-Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 10:56:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:19:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:18:36 -0000 Message-ID: <199912101828.SAA30425@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear All, I too saw that sweet, cutsie little pussy-cat design in Spectrum SCORE, with the little sweet darting tails. My reactions were exactly like Dani's! My dictum, axiom (call it what you like) is, if you cannot cut it by HAND , then it cannot / should not be cut! Dani's point about stress and fracture factors is absolutely right. During my visit to Metropolitan Museum of Arts, I saw just such examples of "impossible cuts" executed by both Tiffany and La Farge that have NOT stood the test of time. It has absolutely nothing to do with onward march of technology etc. It has to do with simple theory what a material is and /or is capable of or not, as the case may be. Look at poor Ikarus. He wanted to fly. So he made himself a pair of wings out of wax. Off and up he went, he flew for a bit, but got too close to the sun and his beautifully executed wax wings melted. PLOP! On his face he went! Wax is NOT suitable for making wings fly. Glass is not suitable for making "impossible cuts". I cringed when I read that article! It also had another high-lighted quotation "If Tiffany had access to [a saw] , you can bet that he would have made great use of it" by Martha Hanson of "Paned Expression Studio" ( ....at which point my face takes on a VERY PANED expression....). As evidenced by a number of Tiffany panels I have seen, he pushed his (lady??) glass cutters far enough already with impossible cuts that were fancy, clever but badly thought out. "Clever" cuts look good maybe, but I wholeheartedly subscribe to Dani's approach, that it just ain't all that clever if you then have an unhappy customer banging on your door a few years on, 'cause the glass has broke. Compare THAT to the care, thought and skill of the REAL masters of glass that has survived for 800, 900 years, e.g. in Chartres! Let's get real here! I thought I had managed to bring a Message, a Mission with me to USA that "gizmos" have a hidden danger, a hidden agenda; that "gizmos" actually prevents passionate glass-folks from THINKING about what glass is all about...... Have I failed so abysmally???? And for Bob and Robert.....; Hey guys! take off ad "doff" your caps here to REAL pros. Bob, from your comments - I can see that you haven't even bothered to check out what Michael and Dani are doing. I don't know from what "high horse" you are pontificating, but I would suggest and recommend a very speedy climb-down; Robert; if you had even bothered to visit The Greer's web-site, you would have known that the Team is 1 x male plus 1 x female. If Michael is male.... then it might conceivably follow that Dani is female. They most certainly WERE, last time I was with them!!!! And I love them BOTH! Their work just stands for itself; their appreciation of history and traditional methods and techniques IN HARMONY with new ideas, new way of doing things, experimentation has been a tremendeous inspiration for me. There has to be a balance of old and new; there has to be a real empathy of what glass can and cannot do. Dani and Michael (amongst others I met) have THAT feel, intuition, knowledge and what you might also call "inner knowledge". Off Soap-Box!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK We disagree on this bandsaw thang. Dani ... you're a bit teched on this subject. This is only your OPINION anyway ... so ... Why don't you let it go for a while? Say for about the next 3 or 4 decades? If it were anyone else, I'd either just start blasting ... ya know, start shooting and continue until there is no return fire and then go count the bodies after ... ... or ... just dismiss you entirely. This entire bandsaw thang is kind of a dead issue in the sense that just about everyone has already decided and isn't going to change their mind no matter what anyone else says ... so these discussions can only lead to bad feelings. Is beating this hobby horse really worth it, Dani? Gotta keep movin' ... best regards ... Bob Dani Greer wrote: > Dear all, > > Just received Spectrum's latest issue of > "SCORE" with a front-page article on using > saws. Pictured is also a marvelous little cat > panel that is the most perfect example of = > > why NOT to use a saw. See those cute little > curved tails on those cats? Those are stress > fractures waiting to happen. Can you cut those > darling skinny little curves by hand?? Then = > > don't do it with a saw. Glass doesn't like > to be cut that way. Again, those tails are = > > subject to stress fracturing and if you have sold > that panel to a customer, they would probably > come back some point in the future for you to > repair the tails. I hope the artist of that panel > lets us know when the fractures occur. = > > I'll make the point again... it does not matter > whether you cut glass by hand or saw. But, the > resulting shape of the piece and whether it > has structural integrity is vital. The folks who > intimately understand the nature of the medium > are those who have the experience and skill > to cut by hand. It doesn't take that kind of = > > skill to use the saw and using a saw won't = > > teach you the characteristics of the medium. > A good glazier can cut those tails by hand, > but won't. Having and using a saw should not > preclude good design either. And good design > means understanding your medium. > > More than just a pompous opinion. Experience. > As William Morris said, "The peculiarities of the > medium should be a joy to you, not a hindrance." > Learn to design FOR glass... not around it. > > The above applies to leaded and foiled glass, > not fused or slumped. (Had to say that > so Brad wouldn't get on my case!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 11:32:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:22:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:20:45 -0000 Message-ID: <199912101930.TAA00489@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Oh yes... I forgot... JOSEPH.... my message also included YOU. Where did you spring from? I enjoy challenges; I enjoy people asking me INFORMED questions and putting me on the spot in an informed way. But I don't suffer fools gladly, and certainly not when they have not done their homework!! Internet and e-mail is a wonderful and instant media.... but when one spouts opinions and "know-all"... do expect to be challenged when you have NOT done your homework. Occasionally that will involve eating "humble-pie". ....That - of course - would also assume that you re BIG enough so to do.... I think Dani has been incredibly gracious on this occasion.Perhaps you would like to draw breath here, reconsider your position and spend a little time quietly in doing some more research, web- spotting, reading or whatever.... Quite frankly.... I would! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 12:03:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.93415.0> Precedence: bulk Sparks I've been lurking around. A little busy with the lawyers and whatnot. Actually got took some Christmas orders this year. Remind me not to do that anymore. Just to set the record straight: I was in a glass store and saw a really nice piece. (Of glass). It may have been Fremont, the lady at the store had no idea what glass was what. But the glass got me to thinking about Sparks and her Erotic Meltdown. Got home, kid was at the neighbors wife was in shorts, sitting in the back yard with a beer and we'll leave the rest to your imagination. Had nothing to do with a Chihuly exhibit. By the way Suzanne de Tulsa and Susan Albright are witnesses. Still time to settle out of court. Baby is currently due April 14, 2000 and according to the ultrasound guy is a boy. Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:25 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? In a message dated 12/9/99 7:53:59 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: >We're gonna have to lock you up before >we let you get your hands on some Lamberts! >:-D Who knows what I'm talking about?? Awwwwwwwww, now you've done it! I'm going to start going on again about "erotic meltdown," and I'm going to have another "Maternity Suit" on my hands! Which reminds me - has anyone heard from Vic Modiano lately? (For those of you who joined this program already in progress, he and his wife are expecting a little one any day now - if it's not already been born - and he claimed that my having gone publicly gaga over the Chihuly exhibit in Delaware was directly responsible.) Sparks off to check on my stock of birth-control devices....... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 12:28:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:45:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'Toby' , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: RE: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.94526.0> Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF4347.1DCD74AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Elisabeth Your trip was definitely not wasted. What I picked second hand added to what was overheard at GV got me thinking about how I do things. My mind boggles at what I would have gotten had I been able to make a workshop. Love to Meric & Toby. Is Meric getting to play with Toby's toy? Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:19 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The latest SCORE I thought I had managed to bring a Message, a Mission with me to USA that "gizmos" have a hidden danger, a hidden agenda; that "gizmos" actually prevents passionate glass-folks from THINKING about what glass is all about...... Have I failed so abysmally???? ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF4347.1DCD74AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: The latest SCORE

Elisabeth

Your trip was definitely not wasted. What I picked = second hand added to what was overheard at GV got me thinking about how = I do things. My mind boggles at what I would have gotten had I been = able to make a workshop.

Love to Meric & Toby. Is Meric getting to play = with Toby's toy?

Vic M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk= ]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:19 PM
To: glass@bungi.com
Subject: Re: The latest SCORE



I thought I had managed to bring a Message, a Mission = with me to
USA that "gizmos" have a hidden danger, a = hidden agenda; that
"gizmos" actually prevents  = passionate glass-folks from THINKING
about what glass is all about......
Have I failed so abysmally????

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF4347.1DCD74AA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 12:54:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:05:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.10529.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >their appreciation of history and = traditional methods and techniques IN HARMONY with new ideas, = new way of doing things, experimentation has been a tremendeous = inspiration for me. There has to be a balance of old and new;< Yup, I think this is what our studio is about.... bridging the gap between old and new. But, I don't easily get sucked into anything. I'm not likely to buy a saw.... nor am I likely to hire a young boy to whiz on my solder joints instead of using flux like in the old days! Isn't that how the = story goes?? = Now, on the subject of old and new.... we're = coming across an interesting dilemma on a = regular basis with our church work. Lots of architects and designers are wanting to dispense with traditional stained glass... go for clear glass in church windows. But, most of the time, the church committee (church members) want the more traditional colored glass. Design something that will please everyone, that is the mission. = It's a challenge. Has anyone else doing church work experienced that situation? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 13:10:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:08:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.10527.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >If Michael is male.... then it = might conceivably follow that Dani is female.< Not necessarily a logical conclusion in this day..... ;-D Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 13:14:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:10:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:05:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.10523.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >As evidenced by a number of Tiffany panels I have seen, he pushed = his (lady??) glass cutters far enough already with impossible cuts = that were fancy, clever but badly thought out. < I wish there could be a good book written about the Tiffany lady glass designers... some very good artists who gave Tiffany quite a positive reputation. Alice Northrup is my favorite. To Tiffany's credit, he allegedly did pay the women a quite generous yearly salary for the time..... Happy holidays, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 13:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:22:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: ">"@ix.netcom.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:22:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.82248.0> References: <<1999Dec10.93415.0>> Precedence: bulk I didnt see/hear a thing. :o) That's my story and I'm sticking to it. You'd be wise not to buy your witnesses so many glasses of wine! lol... Suzanne de T "Modiano, Victor" wrote: > Sparks > By the way Suzanne de Tulsa and Susan Albright are >witnesses. Still time to settle out of court. Baby is > currently due April 14, 2000 and according to the ultrasound guy is a boy. > > Vic M. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Witchdoc3@aol.com [mailto:Witchdoc3@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 8:25 AM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? > > In a message dated 12/9/99 7:53:59 PM, GreerStudios@compuserve.com writes: > > >We're gonna have to lock you up before > >we let you get your hands on some Lamberts! > >:-D Who knows what I'm talking about?? > > Awwwwwwwww, now you've done it! I'm going to start going on again about > "erotic meltdown," and I'm going to have another "Maternity Suit" on my > hands! > > Which reminds me - has anyone heard from Vic Modiano lately? (For those of > you who joined this program already in progress, he and his wife are > expecting a little one any day now - if it's not already been born - and he > claimed that my having gone publicly gaga over the Chihuly exhibit in > Delaware was directly responsible.) > > Sparks > off to check on my stock of birth-control devices....... > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 13:48:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:10:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Toby" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.10525.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" > Hey guys! take off ad "doff" your caps here to REAL pros. Bob, = from your comments - I can see that you haven't even bothered to = check out what Michael and Dani are doing.< Bob and I are buds and are forever squabbling = about this one.... I just keep telling him, as soon as he learns to really cut by hand, the saw won't be near as mesmerizing any longer.! (duck) Bob's seen our work, and with a professional artist for a Dad, he knows what he's looking at better than most. Not to worry, Elisabeth, no offense intended or taken in this conversation. = Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 14:29:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:46:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.114350.0> References: <<199912101930.TAA00489@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > Oh yes... I forgot... > > JOSEPH.... my message also included YOU. > Where did you spring from? > I enjoy challenges; I enjoy people asking me INFORMED questions > and putting me on the spot in an informed way. > Huh? Are you talking to me? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 14:46:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:32:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.115443.0> References: <<1999Dec10.71327.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I've never seen Fremont that I know of - nobody carries it. Getting Glacier isn't hard, but nobody seems to have it in stock locally. I'm very fond of Noogie. And seedies. I used to think glue chip was so neat, but I guess I've just seen too much of it in my lifetime on stinking bathroom doors (the rooms stink - maybe the doors) - you know - they either are a poorly finished dark yellw oak that's darkned, or they are painted Janitor Green! Wonder why all the so-called antique glass has lines in it? I grew up in Victorian homes, and the glass didn't have lines, it had occasional funny little elongated bubbles with v-shaped ends, and the thinkness wasn't regular, so things looked a bit wavy here and there when you looked through the glass. You only see that kind of bubble in hand blown gla$$, now. Dani Greer wrote: > Message text written by suzy > >Don't forget Fremont - now that's more than sexy - that's orgasmic = > > meltdown, as Sparks can attest. < > > Yup, Fremont is nice, too. But, there's more > selection with Lamberts.... oooohh, those yummy > colors. > > Now, for a straight-forward and very useable clear > background glass, I've developed a real appreciation > for glacier glass. Anybody else? > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 15:11:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:36:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG I take it all back Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:37:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.83739.0> Precedence: bulk > Just to sweeten the pot you get 10% of any Yough Glass in the settlement. > > Vic M. Sparks, I saw and heard the whole thing. I recommend you Settle as quickly as possible! One can never be too thin or have too much Youghiogheny! ;o) (just my professional opinion) Suzanne de Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 15:16:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:37:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Toby Subject: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting and fusing Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:17:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.22173.0> References: <<199912101930.TAA00489@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk What are the views on using the impossible cuts made by hand or with saws being used in fusing? Will the annealing process relieve the stresses involved in the curves? If fused on top of other glass will the added thickness resist breakage more than if it remained 3mm? Has anyone tested their theories? (I would if I had a saw, but don't intend to get one) Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 15:31:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: and yet another address change... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:42:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.124236.0> Precedence: bulk Hi! Cable modem service is growing so fast down here I've had to change my address again in just 3 weeks! Please note that jaugusta@adelphi.net is kaput and the new address jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net is good. ciao, Joseph jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 15:45:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:54:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Church Windows [was The latest SCORE] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:53:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.12530.0> References: <<1999Dec10.10529.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I've thought about that - hoping somday I'll have a chance to design church windows. What does the congregation really want to see? Figurative (in style of an era like medieval, Victorian, art neuveau or deco?) - Bible stories? - Glories of nature (the wonder of His works)? Or do they literally just want COLOR, in which dalle de verre might be interesting? Or how about just a pane of Lamberts, Sunderland, St. Just, etc. either intact with clear surrounds, or pieced with clear. Mono color or multi, as they wished. Grissaille (sp?) or Mondrianish or no geometry at all? As a concert choir member at a quasi-Methodist college, we hit oodles of churches on our spring tours - I used to say I collected churches. A couple that stand out are the Church of the Redeemer (Episcopal) in Baltimore, Maryland, which is modernistic, but the roof appears to float because between the top of the wall and the start of the roof is a row of colored glass (don't know if just panes or thick) - no taller than a sideways cement block, maybe more like a horizontal brick, showing its face side. Understated but elegant. And in another church (Methodist), in Midland Michigan, designed by Aldon Dow who was a pupil of Frank Lloyd Wright, again a modern design, the windows are floor to ceiling in rectangular "stripes" between a wider expanse of wall. If I remember correctly ( long time ago) the windows consisted of a narrow rectangle of green and a wider one of clear, both floor to ceiling. All the appointments in the church matched the green - carpet, pew upholstery, etc. And outside each window were planted large green plants, so the net effect was that of bringing the outside in. Light and airy feeling. Have also seen multi-colored "flames" - I suppose to depict the Holy Spirit. I'll be interested in what they SAY they want and what they really mean, and in what you do for them. Dani Greer wrote: > Message text written by "Toby" > >their appreciation of history and = > > traditional methods and techniques IN HARMONY with new ideas, = > > new way of doing things, experimentation has been a tremendeous = > > inspiration for me. There has to be a balance of old and new;< > > Yup, I think this is what our studio is about.... > bridging the gap between old and new. But, > I don't easily get sucked into anything. I'm not > likely to buy a saw.... nor am I likely to hire a young > boy to whiz on my solder joints instead of using > flux like in the old days! Isn't that how the = > > story goes?? = > > Now, on the subject of old and new.... we're = > > coming across an interesting dilemma on a = > > regular basis with our church work. Lots of > architects and designers are wanting to dispense > with traditional stained glass... go for clear glass > in church windows. But, most of the time, the > church committee (church members) want the > more traditional colored glass. Design something > that will please everyone, that is the mission. = > > It's a challenge. Has anyone else doing church > work experienced that situation? > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 16:42:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:31:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Steve Richard , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting and fusing Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.14300.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Richard >What are the views on using the impossible cuts made by hand or with saws being used in fusing? = < I think the fusers will tell you that the deep inside curve rule (or just about any glass cutting rule) doesn't apply to fusing or slumping. That's why I made the parenthetical comment about Brad Walker who was kind enough to correct me to begin with..... Best, Dani Greer Greer Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 17:06:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:32:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.142957.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood >and the thinkness wasn't regular, so things looked a bit wavy here and there when you looked through the glass. You only see that kind of bubble in hand blown gla$$, now. < .... and that was the cheap glass! Now we pay an arm and a leg to get the "flawed" stuff! Go figure. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 17:16:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:45:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: toby@northlights.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: The latest SCORE Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:43:43 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec11.04343.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/10/1999 1:57:45 PM EST, toby@northlights.co.uk writes: > s get real here! > > I thought I had managed to bring a Message, a Mission with me to > USA that "gizmos" have a hidden danger, a hidden agenda; that > "gizmos" actually prevents passionate glass-folks from THINKING > about what glass is all about...... > Have I failed so abysmally???? > A guy came into my studio a few weeks ago, saying he had taken a stained glass class, where the guy had just taught him everything out of the past. i think what he was referring to was that he hadn't given the guy every new toy in the world to use, and pushed him to buy, so he was thinking that the guy was from the dark ages. My attitude is that these morton things, are not the way to gain skill. I have never been very fond of all this stuff. It's wonderful if you're crippled to use a scoremaster, or a bandsaw,(if you can stand the noise) but please don't substitute tools for skill. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 17:38:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: John Emery Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Church Windows [was The latest SCORE] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:56:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.145640.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood >I've thought about that - hoping somday I'll have a chance to design church windows. What does the congregation really want to see? Figurative (in style of an era like medieval, Victorian, art neuveau or deco?) - Bible stories? - Glories of nature (the wonder of His works)? Or do they literally just want COLOR, in which dalle de verre might be interesting? < Everything is already out there... including some stained glass overlay . Often it depends on the denomination. The Catholic Church is very structured in their liturgical environment and it's = helpful to have an understanding of post-Vatican II changes in the church. The flame you mentioned is the symbol of the Methodist church and knowing that, it's a nice thing to ask their committee if they would like to incorporate it. It's always good to go into a meeting with a little bit of knowledge about a particular denomination. There is a huge amount of church building going on in the U.S. today.... and very distinct trends seem to be appearing. The idea of bringing nature into the church by leaving windows clear seems to be somewhat popular amongst = architects and designers, but not with the congregations (or the window-cleaning committee!) Altar in the round is being pushed and collapsible/removeable seating. Symbology seems to be less popular, and for churches that want color, non-representational work seems to be more in line with what they want. I think there's such a division of opinion between traditionalists and modernists that folks just want something "vanilla" that won't offend anyone. The artistic challenge is to make that vanilla = sundae (Sunday?) really yummy! Every church is = different... this is about as custom as custom stained glass work gets. It's also incredibly challenging in all ways. And very lucrative... ;-) Stop hoping. Start doing. P.S. Speaking of the wonders of nature, fellow IGGA board member, John Emery with Preston Studios is featured on Wardell Publications 2000 calendar.... and it is very, very, very nice. A = collection of very lovely Tiffany-style art windows strongly influenced by one of my favorite artists, Alphonse Mucha. You'll see four windows of = the Four Seasons as well. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 17:56:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:05:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: cecnralph@home.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:53:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec11.05357.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/10/1999 5:49:49 PM EST, cecnralph@home.com writes: > Wonder why all the so-called antique glass has lines in it? I grew up > in Victorian homes, and the glass didn't have lines, it had occasional > funny little elongated bubbles with v-shaped ends, and the thinkness > wasn't regular, so things looked a bit wavy here and there when you > looked through the glass. You only see that kind of bubble in hand > blown gla$$, now. > The glass with the lines are primarily German or at least European. It's possible to get antique glass in West Virginia that look more like the old stuff. Wonderful Blenko glass,from Milton, West Virginia Try it, Iif you get a chance. And by the way... if you're going to all the trouble to make a piece of art, why not use the best glass for the job. Sometimes it's pricey, but you are spending a good bit of your life on the project, and you want to absolutely love it when you're done. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 18:20:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:53:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: The latest SCORE Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:52:18 -0000 Message-ID: <199912110202.CAA08786@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Delighted to hear from you Viv! Delighted also about your pending addition..... T-shirt still on line, but I have decided to add little patter of tiny paws.... Meric is definitely NOT allowed to play with Toby's toy!!!! he got a little red version givewn to him the other day (with a better squeak!). The big blue one is definitely RESERVED only for Toby!! So there! Keep smiling and look forward to these wonderful sleepless nights!! At least you won't have to get up every morning and change the news-papers on the kitchen floor!! Love Elisabeth 'n frustrated Toby in UK This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF4347.1DCD74AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Elisabeth Your trip was definitely not wasted. What I picked second hand added to what was overheard at GV got me thinking about how I do things. My mind boggles at what I would have gotten had I been able to make a workshop. Love to Meric & Toby. Is Meric getting to play with Toby's toy? Vic M. -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:19 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The latest SCORE I thought I had managed to bring a Message, a Mission with me to USA that "gizmos" have a hidden danger, a hidden agenda; that "gizmos" actually prevents passionate glass-folks from THINKING about what glass is all about...... Have I failed so abysmally???? ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF4347.1DCD74AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: The latest SCORE

Elisabeth

Your trip was definitely not wasted. What I picked = second hand added to what was overheard at GV got me thinking about how = I do things. My mind boggles at what I would have gotten had I been = able to make a workshop.

Love to Meric & Toby. Is Meric getting to play = with Toby's toy?

Vic M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk= ]
Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:19 PM
To: glass@bungi.com
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I thought I had managed to bring a Message, a Mission = with me to
USA that "gizmos" have a hidden danger, a = hidden agenda; that
"gizmos" actually prevents  = passionate glass-folks from THINKING
about what glass is all about......
Have I failed so abysmally????

------_=_NextPart_001_01BF4347.1DCD74AA-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 18:36:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:53:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!d.budet From: "DORA BUDET" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: list Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:58:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.215839.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4359.B788A800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have i been erased from the list? dori ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4359.B788A800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
have i been = erased from the=20 list?
dori
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BF4359.B788A800-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 18:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:52:18 -0000 Message-ID: <199912110202.CAA08795@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Yup!! I was. You put your bit in too - as I noticed. E 'n T in UK Toby wrote: > Oh yes... I forgot... > > JOSEPH.... my message also included YOU. > Where did you spring from? > I enjoy challenges; I enjoy people asking me INFORMED questions > and putting me on the spot in an informed way. > Huh? Are you talking to me? Best wishes, Joseph ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 19:21:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:53:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: My dilema Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:52:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.165218.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF4358.D45E5C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am new to the Bungi group and have a dilemma. I have been asked by = some church members to look at their stained glass windows and tell them = how to remedy the "mold" on the lead lines. The dilemma is that I know the artisan as a local shop owner. How do I = explain to these members that not only do they have problems with "mold" = (yes, I know it is corrosion), but they have some big structural = problems. None of these 8 x 3 foot panes have any reinforcement other = than the wooden frames they are in. Solutions anyone? Thanks, Moya ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF4358.D45E5C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I am new to the Bungi group and have a dilemma.  I have been = asked by=20 some church members to look at their stained glass windows and tell them = how to=20 remedy the "mold" on the lead lines.
The dilemma is that I know the artisan as a local shop owner.  = How do=20 I explain to these members that not only do they have problems with = "mold" (yes,=20 I know it is corrosion), but they have some big structural = problems.  None=20 of these 8 x 3 foot panes have any reinforcement other than the wooden = frames=20 they are in.
Solutions anyone?  Thanks, Moya
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF4358.D45E5C00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 19:38:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:56:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: tools for skill........MMMMMMM Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:54:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.10547.0> References: <<1999Dec11.04343.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk "My attitude is that these morton things, are not the way to gain skill. I have never been very fond of all this stuff. It's wonderful if you're crippled to use a scoremaster, or a bandsaw,(if you can stand the noise) but please don't substitute tools for skill." I cannot fathom doing ANY multiple straight line cutting WITHOUT a jig (morton). How can one produce VERY accurate straight line trapezoidal panels or grids without using a mechanical method? This enhances the quality of the product and makes it more time effective to produce. It no way shows a lack of skill, but rather an understanding of the procedures necessary to produce a finished product that is superior to one cut solely by hand. enjoy, H BTB feeling good, no pain and actually working on glass again (and enjoying it)!!!!! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 19:55:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:40:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: weaver51@teleport.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: tools for skill........MMMMMMM Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:37:26 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec11.33726.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/10/1999 9:54:40 PM EST, weaver51@teleport.com writes: > > How can one produce VERY accurate straight line trapezoidal panels or grids > without using a mechanical method? This enhances the quality of the product > and makes it more time effective to produce. It no way shows a lack of > skill, but rather an understanding of the procedures necessary to produce a > finished product that is superior to one cut solely by hand. > > enjoy, H > > BTB feeling good, no pain and actually working on glass again (and enjoying > it)!!!!! > I agree, you do need a jig, but you can build one yourself, or you can buy one. I built my own. But you are right you sure need one. for that Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 20:12:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:44:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: Moya-Don@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My dilema Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:40:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec11.3409.0> Precedence: bulk You have to say the truth. Sorry if someone in you ocmmunity isn't knowlegeable in their art or the crafting of their art. It's their neglect, and if you don't say it, then it will be yours. Anne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 20:53:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:40:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: tools for skill........MMMMMMMore.......... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:32:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.123231.0> References: <<0.5a48f205.258320f6@aol.com>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk I have 3 homemade jigs and ALWAYS suggest to a student (when I taught) to try and make as many tools (useful ones) that you can.....BUT, the commercial jig (note: I do not comment on all the other useful/less stuff being touted) is faster and more accurate and easier to set up than most home made ones. I have about 20 years into lampshade making and about 1,051 or so units and feel almost qualified to comment. I have made a large stripping table and find it is easy to set-up, maintain specific settings (for years) and still have the versatility to do LARGE sheets, as well as odd sizes without re-setting my default panel lamp setting. Rough rule of cutting (mine) I use a straight edge or a jig if I need more than 2 accurate pieces, and I CAN cut a free hand straight line. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 21:11:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:45:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Rbytl From: Rbytl@aol.com To: Moya-Don@worldnet.att.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My dilema Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:43:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec11.44350.0> Precedence: bulk Moya, Welcome to the group. I know you will find it most worthy of your time, questions, and input. In addition to being a glass artist, I still spend a great time in court, serving as an expert witness, in another field. All of my work there involves torts (liability, negligence, etc.) I am here to tell you that you have no choice to disclose what you have observed, regarding the reinforcement, because you could find yourself drawn into possible litigation, if damage or injury were to result due to poor design and craftsmanship, even though you didn't do the work. Believe me I know from this!!! As professionally, and kindly as possible, you should tell the people that in your opinion, they are looking at corrosion, not mold (cause)?, and tell them you are concerned about the reinforcement issue. Unless the local "craftsperson" is someone with whom you have an extraordinarily close relationship, why would you want to shield them? FWIW, Richard Formerly of Valencia Ca now happily residing and working in Las Vegas ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 21:26:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:45:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: tools for skill........MMMMMMM Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.183644.0> References: <<1999Dec10.10547.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: > > "My attitude is that these morton things, are not the way to gain skill. I > have never been very fond of all this stuff. It's wonderful if you're > crippled to use a scoremaster, or a bandsaw,(if you can stand the noise) but > please don't substitute tools for skill." > > I cannot fathom doing ANY multiple straight line cutting WITHOUT a jig > (morton). > > How can one produce VERY accurate straight line trapezoidal panels or grids > without using a mechanical method? This enhances the quality of the product > and makes it more time effective to produce. It no way shows a lack of > skill, but rather an understanding of the procedures necessary to produce a > finished product that is superior to one cut solely by hand. > > enjoy, H > > BTB feeling good, no pain and actually working on glass again (and enjoying > it)!!!!! > > weaver51@teleport.com > Elaine and Howard > best lamps on the "net": > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's what i've always believed. you can use the tools, you don't have to if you don't want to. it's all in how you use the tools is what is important. i finally got the SCORE, so i finally have some inkling on what everyone is talking about. i havn't read it yet, but i saw the pictures. bandsaws may not be great for some. but it opens up new doors for some people and expands the horizons for others. i might use it to get the impossible cuts in thick glass or real deep bendy cuts. other's may use it because their hands are too weak for a cutter and it's easier for them to use that.... there's nothing wrong with that. wood working example: you could make a marquetry (sp), project by hand. you could use a knife, a fret saw, or an electric scroll saw with omni directional blade; which one of these is a cripple? which one of these makes someone less of a person using them? i use the rainbow score board, i can't use morton because the holes are too large. there the same thing more or less though. my box making skills improved over 400% with the jigs the strip cutter and so forth. no tool should ever be considered a cheat... if it were to be allowed so, then any tool that you use can be considered cheating. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 22:00:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:41:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "D. ONeal" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My dilema Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.19392.0> References: <<1999Dec10.165218.0>> Precedence: bulk Moya, This shouldn't be much of a dilemma. Be honest and make sure you are right, then tell the truth. You may want to tell the local artisan shop owner *first*, however, about what you've been asked and that you plan to give your opinion to the church members. I would hope that the shop owner would be grateful at hearing what you had to say first, before reporting back to the church members. And since you've been asked by the church members for your opinion at the least, you have to be honest with them too, giving them the same information you'd already given the shop owner. If I was the shop owner and you came to me with your *dilemma, I know I'd certainly appreciate you telling me first. Tom : Hi, : I am new to the Bungi group and have a dilemma. I have been asked by = : some church members to look at their stained glass windows and tell them = : how to remedy the "mold" on the lead lines. : The dilemma is that I know the artisan as a local shop owner. How do I = : explain to these members that not only do they have problems with "mold" = : (yes, I know it is corrosion), but they have some big structural = : problems. None of these 8 x 3 foot panes have any reinforcement other = : than the wooden frames they are in. : Solutions anyone? Thanks, Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 10 22:28:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:06:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting and fusing Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:01:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.14129.0> Precedence: bulk Here are some interspersed comments that reflect my thinking as of this minute. Bob in 92026 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard To: Toby Date: Friday, December 10, 1999 3:36 PM Subject: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting and fusing >What are the views on using the impossible cuts made by hand or with >saws being used in fusing? I have a good quality diamond band saw and use it from time to time to make impossible cuts for fusing- such as the little interlocking puzzle type indentations seen in grape leaves. The leaves are then fused on a backing sheet of glass and so are quite strong. I also use the band saw once in a while when I want a tight inside curve without chipping. I can score cut a "pacman" but this overall shape is actually quite strong. > >Will the annealing process relieve the stresses involved in the curves? No, because most glass sold as art glass has little or no stress to begin with. The stresses refered to are mechanical stresses where a thin piece of glass may be broken simply because of the leverage that may be exerted on the glass (glass has great compressive but little tensile strength). Curved pieces are more likely to "see" stress due to leverage. The same curved piece straightened out may only see stress in a compressive direction and thereby survive. As a matter of empirical testing on my part, glass with stress due to rapid cooling is stronger than unstressed glass. I have been able to heat stress smaller pieces of glass to the point where they are about three times stronger than unstressed glass. Compair this with fully tempered glass that is about five times stronger than the same glass untempered. >If fused on top of other glass will the added thickness resist breakage >more than if it remained 3mm? Yes, two pieces of same glass properly fused together are about twice as strong as a single piece. I use this principle to make long slender rose stems. I will stack fuse one or two 1/4" wide strips of green on a piece of green or clear that is about 7/16" wide. The upper layer(s) round up nicely and the whole thing is about three times as strong without heat treating. The two layer fusing is about the same strength as the three layer due to the two layer shrinking in cross section. > >Has anyone tested their theories? (I would if I had a saw, but don't >intend to get one) Good for you. Except for a few grape windows my saw is not worth the table space it occupies. I cann't think of anything else that I have fused that needs it. I do fire for a crafter that uses a saw a lot but he is into making minatures where the saw is quite necessary. Just the racket the ringsaw makes fully insures that I will never have one in my studio. > >Steve > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 00:42:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:12:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "D. ONeal" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My dilema Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:02:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec10.16255.0> Precedence: bulk >>The dilemma is that I know the artisan as a local shop owner. How do I explain to these members that not only do they have problems with "mold" (yes, I know it is corrosion), but they have some big structural problems. None of these 8 x 3 foot panes have any reinforcement other than the wooden frames they are in. Solutions anyone? Thanks, Moya<< I think you need say nothing you are not sure of being true. The "mold/corrosion" is probably neither if the windows are lead came. It is most likely bloom from the cement used. You say the windows are "8 x 3 foot panes". Professionals would take your reported measurements to mean the windows are 8' wide and 3' high because the established protocol is to give width followed by height. Do you really mean this or are the windows really 3' wide and 8' high. Do you know if the lead cames have internal brass or steel reinforcing that can not be seen? Is there rebar that has been skillfully bent so that it shows little. Does the design and lead of these windows allow them to survive as is? Is there a protective glazing? How long have the windows been in place? Is there any measurable bowing? If not and the windows have been in place for a few years they are proof in and of themselves that they are adequate. I see a slander suit if this gets out of hand. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 03:08:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 02:55:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!ARTIZ01 From: ARTIZ01@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: blast vs acid etch Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:53:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec11.10532.0> Precedence: bulk What would you do out there in Bungi Land. I am commisioned to do 200 champagne glasses for the Millinnium 2000. I have the resist already and I could acid or blast as my customer does not care ( they have seen samples of both applications) as they just want the name of their organization on the glasses. Since time is approaching, what would be the quickest way to do this and also any ideas for the masking? Any help would be appreciated, Thanks, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 03:23:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 02:55:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:17:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199912111019.FAA20062@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Wonder why all the so-called antique glass has lines in it? As the "full antique" (which describes the *process rather than the age of the glass) is blown, the large bubble is rotated in a trough-like form. During that rotation back and forth (and up and down the length of the trough a bit, too), the hot glass takes on the "lines" you mention as imperfections in the surface of the trough rub against it. The lines are intentional and are even sometimes increased by the glassblowers, who merely toss straw into the trough to increase the number of "imperfections" the glass rubs against. I've been to the Lamberts factory as well as to most of the other glass factories in Europe and can tell you this is a very common (and intentional) practice. Enjoy! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 05:42:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:23:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "D. ONeal" , Subject: Re: My dilema Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.3055.0> References: <<1999Dec10.165218.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Moya, Here's what I would do. The Church asked you for Your opinion. Give it to them. Tell them how to correct the mold. And then tell them what You Suggest. I wouldn't make a big deal about the fact that the other artist didn't put in any reinforcement but I would tell them that while you could correct the mold matter that you suggest adding some reinforcement so that they don't run into other problems down the road. Most of all be professional. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. ONeal" To: Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 9:52 PM Subject: My dilema > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF4358.D45E5C00 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi, > I am new to the Bungi group and have a dilemma. I have been asked by = > some church members to look at their stained glass windows and tell them = > how to remedy the "mold" on the lead lines. > The dilemma is that I know the artisan as a local shop owner. How do I = > explain to these members that not only do they have problems with "mold" = > (yes, I know it is corrosion), but they have some big structural = > problems. None of these 8 x 3 foot panes have any reinforcement other = > than the wooden frames they are in. > Solutions anyone? Thanks, Moya > > ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF4358.D45E5C00 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >
Hi,
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I am new to the Bungi group and have a dilemma.  I have been = > asked by=20 > some church members to look at their stained glass windows and tell them = > how to=20 > remedy the "mold" on the lead lines.
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The dilemma is that I know the artisan as a local shop owner.  = > How do=20 > I explain to these members that not only do they have problems with = > "mold" (yes,=20 > I know it is corrosion), but they have some big structural = > problems.  None=20 > of these 8 x 3 foot panes have any reinforcement other than the wooden = > frames=20 > they are in.
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01BF4358.D45E5C00-- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 06:40:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 06:16:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting and fusing Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.41747.0> References: <<1999Dec10.22173.0>> Precedence: bulk Just to add a few comments to Bob D's on this topic: ------ Steve Richard wrote: > What are the views on using the impossible cuts made by hand or with > saws being used in fusing? I have used a saw to cut pieces of glass the shape of puzzle pieces, fitted them together, and then fused it all to form a piece that looks like a jigsaw puzzle, then slumped the resulting blank to a bowl shape. The pieces fuse together as well as strips cut and fused the same way. > > Will the annealing process relieve the stresses involved in the curves? Absolutely. Pieces with intricate curves should anneal just as well as pieces with straight lines or curves. By the time you get to annealing, fusing has already taken place. > > If fused on top of other glass will the added thickness resist breakage > more than if it remained 3mm? Yes. If annealed properly, thicker glass should resist breakage better. Though I wouldn't recommend it and don't do this as part of my testing procedures, I have dropped 3 layers thick glass items to the floor and had them emerge unbroken. Doubling the thickness roughly doubles the strength. > Has anyone tested their theories? (I would if I had a saw, but don't > intend to get one) No empirical tests, other than normal annealing, stress-type. I'm confident the kind of cut it doesn't make a difference once the item is fused. I bought the saw in order to cut fused items to rearrange the cross-section into new patterns. It's nearly impossible to cut thick fused items by hand, especially into narrow strips. I only occasionally cut odd shapes and sharp curves -- the puzzle piece bowl was just out of curiosity. Besides, glass saws are very slow, noisy, and expensive to operate, so I only use my saw when I can't make the cut by hand. Usually, that's because the glass is too thick and dense, not because the curve's too sharp. Brad Walker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 07:42:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:27:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!9hukj281 From: <9hukj281@aol.com> To: hjhf6@aol.com Subject: Investigate Anyone !!! Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:07:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.11750.0> Precedence: bulk ******************************************************* This list is opt-in only. We are linked to many web sites that offer free subscriptions to our opt-in list. You will be removed from this list at any time by following the simple instructions that can be found at the end of this email. THIS IS NOT SPAM! 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You may rcmove your name from our opt-in list by sending an e-mail to the address below with the word rcmove in the subj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 08:48:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: thebeach.mv.com!Nancy From: "Nancy Mullins" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: attaching letters to glass Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.5644.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BF43BF.6DD2A880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, I have been lurking for about 3 months now and enjoying and learning = from everyone. I am new to stained glass having only started about 4 = mos ago and I am hooked! =20 I do have one question if someone would be so kind to respond. I am = making a small one word sign and would like some suggestions on how to = attach letters to a flat piece of glass. ( I am using the foiling = method) Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nancy Mullins ~ Nancy Mullins ~ Concord, NH ~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net ~ ICQ # 2974287 ~ Don't give someone a job to do and tell them how to do it, give it to = them and watch how they do it! ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BF43BF.6DD2A880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Everyone,
I have been lurking for about 3 = months now and=20 enjoying and learning from everyone.  I am new to stained glass = having only=20 started about 4 mos ago and I am hooked! 
I do have one question if someone = would be so=20 kind to respond.  I am making a small one word sign and would like = some=20 suggestions on how to attach letters to a flat piece of glass. ( I = am using=20 the foiling method) Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Nancy Mullins
 
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~ Concord, NH
~ Homepage http://thebeach.ne.mediaone.net<= /A>
~=20 ICQ # 2974287
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------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BF43BF.6DD2A880-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 09:47:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ...let there be light. Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:33:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.73311.0> Precedence: bulk Something I find interesting that I'd like to get your take on is the apparent link between religion and stained glass. As a lifelong artist the only comparable situation between religion and painting that comes to mind is in the Rothko paintings in the chapel in Texas. There, he still painted his sombre rectangles, but in contemplative colors. Now in historical as well as contemporary society, we find that in the main (I know there are exceptions) stained glass is used only in religious settings. How did that come about? To think that when you're inside a structure to contemplate a higher form of consciousness, or a higher state of being, you need the light entering the structure to be filtered through some pretty colored glass---whether it's figurative, or abstract. On the other hand, think of the DA's office-- say in the Bronx---can you imagine the windows in the interrogation room being garnished with lovely stained glass panels? Or, how about this, you go to visit your loved one in prison, and get to talk to them through the glass partition-- and it's made of Lambert's glass or Uroboros Streaky? What we seem to have to deal with is a hierarchy of light and color: light, as it exists as a form of energy from our sun is bad, worldy, and cold---it has to be broken down into components of itself (the spectrum) especially, the warm end, to elevate us to a higher plane of reality. I don't know about that; do you? best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 10:02:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 09:43:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:25:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.7255.0> References: <<199912111019.FAA20062@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Straw, hunh? I knew that seedy was created by stirring a pot with a wooden paddle (or tossing in a hunk of wood) but never suspected that traditional blown glass would play with the glass process like that. You've seen the blown glass for stained glass process at various places in Europe? How about here in the US? I'd love to know more. A couple summers ago I got to tour the Kokomo and Youghiogheny factories which do the hand-mixed but mechanically rolled glass and their processes were similar, but the whole ambiance of each place was much different. Even their show rooms were very different, although they were both extremely gracious with visitors. Maybe "Common Ground" could do a series on the various glass manufacturers, with photos of the various stages and processes in rolled glass and blown glass - feature one per issue? I know the thing that really impressed me was that they NEVER shut the furnace down, not even when replacing a pot!!!!!!!!! They tear the bricks down while the thing is roaring hot, yank the old pot and put the new one in and rebuild the wall. (You couldn't pay me enough to even get near enough to dip into a pot with the long handled ladles, let alone getting right up to the furnace and taking it apart brick by brick - and they said it was hand done - not by machine!) Amazing? And I kept wondering WHY? Seems kinda insane to me, and the only thing I could think of was that maybe the other pots would crack or otherwise not survive the cooling and reheating. Wonder what a small pot, or the larger ones cost? Wonder who manufactures those pots, and what temperature they are fired at? I'd expected the pots to be some kind of metal - sort of like in a steel mill, but instead they are ceramic. I was also fascinated by how the pots were used (big ones for background basic color, and little ones for contrast, and how the progression over the life of the pot was always light to dark, since once a color has been used you will never again achieve clear. That explains why some uncat and/or special glass is in short supply because you must have the happy juxtaposition of which glass is in the pots at the same time to achieve them. Obviously they try to control that, but a pot can go bad unexpectedly, or wear out faster than normal. Or a special order of a large amount of something can also get things out of sync. For instance, black is what is produced just before a pot is to be replaced. It would also be interesting to understand how the ring mottle is achieved, flakes and streamers - when do they add them for the rolled glass - or is that blown and rolled in them? How do they make the flakes and streamers themselves? Are the streamers extruded? I do know that ripple is caused by the rollers operating at different speeds, and that you can use only one roller (top) or two (top and bottom). And that patterns are made because the roller contains the pattern - except for granite which is made on a table which contains the pattern - at least a Kokomo. Sorry guys - I have a voracious curiosity and I want to know it ALL (right now, too ). I wish I'd discovered working with glass earlier in my life. It's just so fascinating! Albert Lewis wrote: > > Wonder why all the so-called antique glass has lines in it? > > As the "full antique" (which describes the *process rather than the > age of the glass) is blown, the large bubble is rotated in a > trough-like form. During that rotation back and forth (and up and > down the length of the trough a bit, too), the hot glass takes on the > "lines" you mention as imperfections in the surface of the trough rub > against it. > > The lines are intentional and are even sometimes increased by the > glassblowers, who merely toss straw into the trough to increase the > number of "imperfections" the glass rubs against. I've been to the > Lamberts factory as well as to most of the other glass factories in > Europe and can tell you this is a very common (and intentional) > practice. Enjoy! > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 12:27:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Brad Walker" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bandsaws vs. hand-cutting and fusing Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:09:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.4952.0> Precedence: bulk >> Will the annealing process relieve the stresses involved in the curves? >Absolutely. Pieces with intricate curves should anneal just as well as >pieces with straight lines or curves. By the time you get to annealing, >fusing has already taken place. Yes, correct. Just to add a few words to Brad's excellent report. None of the stresses referred to in this thread speak to annealing stress which is assumed to be satisfactory. BELOW the anneal zone is the stress zone down to about 500'F. Slow cooling, time based on the thickness and size of the glass piece, is necessary to avoid stressing the outer skin of the glass over the core and introducing a hardening effect. Glass that has been cooled to quickly will be hard to cut but stronger. Further, the glass may crack if cooled to quickly. The fusing charts at: http://www.spectrumglass.com should be studied by anyone interested in a better understanding of the above. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 12:51:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:24:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ...let there be light. Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 15:28:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.9284.0> References: <<1999Dec11.73311.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Interesting premise ,Joseph. Perhaps the church was the only institution that could afford glass. I know that castles in England didn't have windows as such and the arrow slits were open to the elements.I also know that the women had rooms called solars which had more openings and therefore let in more daylight,but I've only ever seen small windows in castles. So perhaps glass was prohibitively expensive for everyone except the very few Regards Gillian Joseph Augusta wrote: > Something I find interesting that I'd like to get your take on is the > apparent link between religion and stained glass. As a lifelong artist > the only comparable situation between religion and painting that comes > to mind is in the Rothko paintings in the chapel in Texas. There, he > still painted his sombre rectangles, but in contemplative colors. > > Now in historical as well as contemporary society, we find that in the > main (I know there are exceptions) stained glass is used only in > religious settings. How did that come about? To think that when you're > inside a structure to contemplate a higher form of consciousness, or a > higher state of being, you need the light entering the structure to be > filtered through some pretty colored glass---whether it's figurative, or > abstract. On the other hand, think of the DA's office-- say in the > Bronx---can you imagine the windows in the interrogation room being > garnished with lovely stained glass panels? Or, how about this, you go > to visit your loved one in prison, and get to talk to them through the > glass partition-- and it's made of Lambert's glass or Uroboros Streaky? > > What we seem to have to deal with is a hierarchy of light and color: > light, as it exists as a form of energy from our sun is bad, worldy, and > cold---it has to be broken down into components of itself (the spectrum) > especially, the warm end, to elevate us to a higher plane of reality. I > don't know about that; do you? > > best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 13:12:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:25:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "D. ONeal" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: My dilema Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:39:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.93956.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "D. ONeal" >how to remedy the "mold" on the lead lines.< I am sure what you are referring to is "lime bloom" which is caused by the practice of putting Plaster of Paris into cement mixtures. If you can't remove it with normal cleaning using a non-detergent soap like Orvus, I would suggest having a certified = conservator look at the windows and make = recommendations. I suppose, in the final analysis, re-leading the windows and cementing with a proper cement mixture would ultimately solve the problem.... and hoping that the cement mixture didn't also contain Portland cement which is a whole 'nother can of worms. Good luck, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 16:23:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:12:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: ...let there be light. Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.135150.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >Now in historical as well as contemporary society, we find that in the main (I know there are exceptions) stained glass is used only in religious settings. How did that come about?< I would say in America today, stained glass is as much a fixture in homes as in churches. For many years, probably 70% of our work was residential. As far as the tradition of stained glass in churches, yes, I would say that that is rooted in the ecclesiastical environment and that cost was a major concern with the advent of glazed windows. Stained glass served a functional purpose in the form of protection from the elements, but it was also largely didactic and intended to "school" and control the ignorant masses with their imagery. And powerful tools for that they still are to this day. And to this very day, the functional aspect of stained glass prevails and makes it a popular art/craft form.... one of the few within one can actually make a fine living (and being first an oil painter, believe me I know!) I say that stained glass is art that has to work for a living.... like all the finer crafts - pottery, lighting, fiber work, metalsmithing, etc. The public can justify spending money on stained glass because is "does something".... = perhaps provides privacy while allowing light in, blocks the sun from fading the carpet, etc. Few folks will spend as much for the picture over their sofa, as they did for the sofa... and, of course, the first thing everyone notices is the artwork (cheesey or not) not the furniture. Function is a primary consideration. It's also important to keep in mind era and location when considering stained glass. Look at historic oil paintings, like Vermeer's, and you = will always find a stained glass window in a residential setting. So in parts of Europe, in various times through history, the wealthy had stained glass. Growing up in Germany, I don't every recall seeing stained glass in a home. We have clients who moved here from Washington D.C. and were thrilled to be able to find S.G. everywhere here... it was uncommon in homes in that area of the country. In Kansas, Nebraska, it's everywhere! and has been prevalent forever. It depends on the area in the U.S. and it depends on the country, too, whether = there is a residential trend. Well, enough rambling.... Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 16:54:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:22:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Catalogs of Fine Stained Glass Artwork,Collectables,Glass Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.135145.0> Precedence: bulk I know nothing about these folks, so follow up at your own risk. 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charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ...let there be light. Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:51:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991211215114.008e88f8@pop.erols.com> Precedence: bulk .. we find that in the main ..stained glass is used only in religious settings. How did that come about? MOney$$$$$? Didn't the church have more wealth than the kings, and didn't the tithes and taxes and inheritances, as well as special gifts such as windows, come from patrons that could be coerced into these expensive gifts? ... think of the DA's office-- say in the Bronx---can you imagine the windows in the interrogation room being garnished with lovely stained glass panels? Sure, New York and my first visual memory was a volkswagon that literally dropped into a pothole, up to it's doors. I also think of the attorneys waiting list of clients, that back up for months on end because there are not enough staff to process them. Are we talking city budget or a donation from an artist. ...Or, how about this, you go to visit your loved one in prison, and get to talk to them through the glass partition-- and it's made of Lambert's glass or Uroboros Streaky? While the victims struggle to pay for the effects of the crimes that put that person there in the first place, and the taxpayers happily say OK, raise thier consciouness through art, even though my kids still don't have computers in thier schools. I can easily picture these as wonderful places to put such art, I just can't see the reality of it in these places as they exist right now.$$$$$ why not strive to put it in the schools to enrich the little darlin's before they get to court? >What we seem to have to deal with is a hierarchy of light and color: >light, as it exists as a form of energy from our sun is bad, worldy, and >cold---it has to be broken down into components of itself (the spectrum) >especially, the warm end, to elevate us to a higher plane of reality. I >don't know about that; do you? Hmmmmm...I've never heard of sun energy as cold...why did you choose that word? I'd always heard it associated with heat and lower chakra functioning. Again hot..:-) Dee ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 19:55:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: netzero.net!kseeglass From: "KSee" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Weller Irons snap,crackle & pop Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:31:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.173143.0> References: <<385120E0.13F942DB@socent.org>> Precedence: bulk Using the packaging for my Weller 100 I found Cooper Tools on the web & contacted the company. Next day I had a phone call asking for the iron back. I have pieced together our emails so you can see what Al Hollister of Cooper Tools had to say. The gist of the message: if the irons tip touches the metal of the stand the tip/iron heats up just as if we were soldering. Read messages from bottom to top. KSee http://members.xoom.com/kseeglass/index.html www.ncagg.org Al.Hollister@coopertools.com wrote: KSee, If using a rheostat instead of temperature control tips the 80 watt heater will not be as affected by the tip touching the stand. It may shorten the heater life a little but should not cause the iron to overheat. I never like to have the tip touching anything when in the holder. I don't know what protective coating is on the stand parts; paint, chrome plating, nickel plating, anodize, zinc plating, etc. etc. When I have a tip that may be 700 - 1000°F, covered with solder and flux residue, I don't know what the reaction between the dissimilar metals might be. Al -----Original Message----- From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 11:24 AM To: Al Hollister Subject: Re: KSee here Al I am using the temperature control tips that are made for this iron. With the 80w I use a rheostat so I can solder at a lower temp. Does the same thing happen? Al.Hollister@coopertools.com wrote: KSee There are some really nice looking, solidly built holders out there that unfortunately can damage soldering irons, especially irons that are large, high wattage, high temperatures, or a combination of all three, depending on the iron construction and heater/tip technology. Some soldering irons have heaters that idle at low wattage but increase their wattage during the soldering operation. We have an iron that idles at 50 watts but when used to solder heavy loads, as is often the case in stained glass work, the iron can increase its wattage up to 240 watts. Since the tip touching metal is just like soldering a heavy load the heater will be full on almost all of the time, shortening life. Some other manufacturer's irons also increase their wattage as the load calls for. We have irons that control the temperature by turning the heater on and off. With these irons if the tip is touching metal the heater will probably always be on as it is trying to maintain the temperature. Again, this will shorten tip life. I also often recommend that soldering iron holders be "re-bent" so that the iron is held more horizontal than vertical as long as this does not cause the tip to touch the side of the holder. Since heat rises this keeps the handle area from getting too hot, especially with higher temperature irons. I will watch for your iron. Best regards, Al -----Original Message----- From: "ATF Distribution Center-K. See" The problem you mentioned with the stands is interesting. Do you have some info to share that could be posted to bungi glass list? SNIP> Al Hollister wrote: I do not believe the stand caused the problem but you can send it with the iron and we will look at it to see if it contributed. Send everything to my attention. We will be closed from Dec. 23 to Jan 3 so might want to rush it to us so that we can hopefully get the replacement iron off to you before our Christmas shutdown. SNIP> KSee wrote: Al I just read your message about the stand. Yes, the iron sometimes touches the metal because the black plastic thing comes out and does not keep the iron in straight. This seems to happen to all my stands. A real pain, plus there are time when I remove the iron and the plastic come along with the iron. Hi Al, What a surprise to come home & find your phone message!! I will send the iron out today. About the stand, you mentioned sending all or part of it to you too. I need clarification on this. The stand I am using is an import no name brand, black base with metal coil & plastic cup/insert. Same for the one I use with the Weller 80. I do a lot of decorative soldering so I interchange between the two. I'll take the stand to work and wait to hear from you to see what I should ship. KSee __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 20:12:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:47:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: stained glass floats :o) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:46:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.154641.0> Precedence: bulk Tonight was the annual PSO Christmas parade in Tulsa. One of the floats featured 5 large panels of stained glass! :o) Just sharing. T Suz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 11 20:24:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:59:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!Moya-Don From: "D. ONeal" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: My dilema Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec11.6588.0> References: <<0.6627b04d.25833086@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Thanks, I shall do just that. That was my opinion to begin with, but I really would hate the sour grapes issue to come out. This is a very small community.He is a friend, but certainly not close. I do not worry about the consequences coming from him at all. It may cost a commission or two, but I can live with myself better. Moya ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 05:09:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:38:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Dee Thompson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ...let there be light. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 07:36:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.23623.0> References: <<3.0.32.19991211215114.008e88f8@pop.erols.com>> Precedence: bulk Dee Thompson wrote: I've never heard of sun energy as cold...why did you choose that word? Not energy, the light--and it can be brutally cold, as in when you first awake in the morning with the sun streaming in on your face and you look into the mirror! best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 05:38:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:47:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:45:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199912121247.HAA06186@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Straw, hunh? I knew that seedy was created by stirring a pot with a > wooden paddle (or tossing in a hunk of wood) or a potato ... it makes a humongous mass of bubbles and is often used to "clear" the batch, since other (unwanted) bubbles are carried off by them. > never suspected > that traditional blown glass would play with the glass process like > that. Oh, sure. Glass in all forms lends itself to "play." I've watched Mexican glassblowers make bracelets by pulling a cane and quickly wrapping it around a Coke can (for size), clipping it off the punty, then putting it on top of the furnace to anneal there. Glass is a very playful material: SillyPutty for grownups. > You've seen the blown glass for stained glass process at various > places in Europe? How about here in the US? I'd love to know more. You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 05:47:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 04:57:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: SG in Spanish Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 07:56:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec12.12562.0> Precedence: bulk To everyone who replied to my initial email: I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped with my Spanish interpretations for my Spanish Oral Interview - I got 100%! Just German and Spanish final exams to go on Tuesday and I'm finished... :-) Thanks again Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 09:53:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Jaaquets From: Jaaquets@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG:glasses from bottles Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:08:50 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec12.17850.0> Precedence: bulk Awhile back someone wanted to know how to make glasses [vases?] from bottles-here's a site you can go to: Crafts and Hobbies at DoItYourself.com ,its under 'crafts'. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 10:10:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:32:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 09:18:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.11845.0> Precedence: bulk >>> You've seen the blown glass for stained glass process at various > places in Europe? How about here in the US? I'd love to know more. You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them.<< For a real blown glass thrill go to the Stubbins Studio at Corning, NY. They even have bleachers for the spectators and several glass blowers working at once. Sort of a ballet. The Corning Glass Museum is said to be the best in the world. At least it beats anything else I have ever seen. Check out the ancient Egyptian and Roman glass! Drool! Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 10:22:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: prodigy.net!Carolynmt From: "Carolyn Taylor" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Pattern needed Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:57:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.75719.0> Organization: Prodigy Internet Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF44A0.6C4CECA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a copy of the Praying Hands pattern that you wouldn't = mind sharing ? 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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF44A0.6C4CECA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 11:52:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:31:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:26:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.32655.0> References: <<1999Dec12.11845.0>> Precedence: bulk Last time I was a Spectrum (about a year ago), they were no longer doing factory tours. Apparently a combination of being short staffed and liability/insurance. Uroboros gave me a wonderful tour. I got to see just about everything. They are not always doing the hand blown sheets though - just on certain days. You want to call ahead and see when they are doing hand blown sheets if you want to see it done. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Duchesneau To: Bungi Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] > >>> You've seen the blown glass for stained glass process at various > > places in Europe? How about here in the US? I'd love to know > more. > > You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from > Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. > Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them.<< > > For a real blown glass thrill go to the Stubbins Studio at Corning, NY. They > even have bleachers for the spectators and several glass blowers working at > once. Sort of a ballet. The Corning Glass Museum is said to be the best in > the world. At least it beats anything else I have ever seen. Check out the > ancient Egyptian and Roman glass! Drool! > > Bob in 92026 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 16:29:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:59:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: glass site Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.135531.0> Precedence: bulk Has anyone checked out Proglass.com? Found it to be useful? Any comments? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 18:00:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:35:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: gonzalj@freenet.tlh.fl.us, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:32:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec13.13238.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/08/1999 11:09:48 PM !!!First Boot!!!, esavad@home.net writes: << Subj: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: 12/08/1999 11:09:48 PM !!!First Boot!!! From: esavad@home.net (Mike Savad) To: gonzalj@freenet.tlh.fl.us (Jim Gonzalez) Jim Gonzalez wrote: > > I'm in the middle of a project which has a lot of > geometric shapes, pieces with long, straight edges. > Every so often I have to adjust one of the straight > edges for fit. I have been using a grinder, but find > that using a round bit to adjust a straight edge leaves > the edge anything but straight. When foiled and soldered > just not the clean, crisp look I want. > > I was at a Sears hardware store today looking for anything > which I can't live without and noticed bench mounted belt > sanders. I was wondering is anyone using a belt sander > type arrangement to "grind" the edges of straight pieces? If so > is there a special belt which can be bought for use with glass? > The belts Sears sells are for wood/metal/plastic/fiberglass. > > Any discussion would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Jim > Hi Jim! Nice meeting you at Glass Visions! I have an acquaintence who uses nothing but a belt sander!!! He does huge mirrored glass scultures that are NEVER foiled nor soldered. The pieces are mostly very long and thin....... bit on the phalic side, you could say. Apparantly they are glued to a backboard. I asked him quite awhile ago and I believe he said he used a "regular" belt sander. Cost is approximately $100. If you would like, I could contact him to be positive. Just let me know if you are interested. Sincerely, Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 18:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:52:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Fwd: ...let there be light.] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:51:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.155146.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Thought I'd sent this to Bungi, but turns out only to Joseph. So here it is. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > Early castles had few windows other than arrow slits, and often there was > no glass in them at all - parchment, or shutters were used. By the time > castles were being built for living rather than for safety, stained glass > was obtainable - and they did obtain and use it - if they could afford it. > We think it is an expensive commodity now - it was ruinously expensive back > then. While I was in London in October, I hauled a friend to the Victoria > and Albert Museum and we spent some time in just one of the stained glass > halls. There were windows saved from homes and castles, as well as the > ecclesiastic windows. There were two fragments from Henry VIII's Nonesuch > castle - one of the Tudor rose and crown that was beautiful beyond belief. > (I didn't even know that anything survived Nonesuch's destruction.) At any > rate, from the Renaissance on, stained glass was used in castles, palaces, > and large mansions. > > Any Victorian home of any size had at least one large stained glass window > - often on the front stair landing, many of them done by the same firms > that did the churches of that era, and the practice continued through the > Edwardian and into the twenties - and sometimes in the 30s and 40s, since > most of the homes built in those eras were for people with a modicum of > money. The "Babbit" houses in those later years had a much scaled back, > smaller, simpler window in the stairwell, or as transoms over the front > windows and door. The Arts and Crafts houses mostly had some stained > glass, and of course you know about Frank Lloyd Wright. > > I think the death of the use of stained glass in public places was the > Bauhaus and subsequent almost total lack of decoration in architectural > structures, and on the home front it was because of the depression, the war > years when supplies (probably workers, too) were almost impossible to > obtain, and the post war era with it's need for instant housing for > families of the boomers - witness all the little ticky tacky boxes - really > tiny by today's standards, and jerry built. > > The reason cold harsh daylight is used in prisons, police stations, > schools, is that no art (or money) whatsoever is lavished on these > utilitarian structures. You don't really think they are going to hire a > good architect, do you? Not unless the codes require it, and if so they > will hunt for the one who charges the least and has no real talent. If you > check out some of the older court houses you will find stained glass. You > will also be apt to find it in the old better government buildings - > especially in the state capitols. > > And as for WHY they used it, apart from the didactics involved in teaching > a populace who couldn't read about their religion, the human race going > back 20,000 years or so has always evidenced a love and need for creation > and decoration - so why wouldn't they enjoy the magical qualities that > result from playing with light? It is pure beauty, so it was a way of > praising/honoring God when used in the church, and apart from genuine > appreciation in the home, it was (dare I say it?) conspicuous consumption. > > I look around me at all these overblown "English summer homes" and quasi > mansions which have sprung up all over the good agricultural land in the > last 15 years, and hope and pray their owners will realize their VERY > EXPENSIVE home just isn't complete without a LARGE stained glass window, > and maybe even a front door and side panels. (and that I'm the one to do it > ) - Cec > > Joseph Augusta wrote: > > > Something I find interesting that I'd like to get your take on is the > > apparent link between religion and stained glass. As a lifelong artist > > the only comparable situation between religion and painting that comes > > to mind is in the Rothko paintings in the chapel in Texas. There, he > > still painted his sombre rectangles, but in contemplative colors. > > > > Now in historical as well as contemporary society, we find that in the > > main (I know there are exceptions) stained glass is used only in > > religious settings. How did that come about? To think that when you're > > inside a structure to contemplate a higher form of consciousness, or a > > higher state of being, you need the light entering the structure to be > > filtered through some pretty colored glass---whether it's figurative, or > > abstract. On the other hand, think of the DA's office-- say in the > > Bronx---can you imagine the windows in the interrogation room being > > garnished with lovely stained glass panels? Or, how about this, you go > > to visit your loved one in prison, and get to talk to them through the > > glass partition-- and it's made of Lambert's glass or Uroboros Streaky? > > > > What we seem to have to deal with is a hierarchy of light and color: > > light, as it exists as a form of energy from our sun is bad, worldy, and > > cold---it has to be broken down into components of itself (the spectrum) > > especially, the warm end, to elevate us to a higher plane of reality. I > > don't know about that; do you? > > > > best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 18:47:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:53:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Fwd: ...let there be light.] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:52:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.155236.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Thought I'd sent this to Bungi, but turns out only to Joseph. So here it is. Cecily and Ralph Wood wrote: > Early castles had few windows other than arrow slits, and often there was > no glass in them at all - parchment, or shutters were used. By the time > castles were being built for living rather than for safety, stained glass > was obtainable - and they did obtain and use it - if they could afford it. > We think it is an expensive commodity now - it was ruinously expensive back > then. While I was in London in October, I hauled a friend to the Victoria > and Albert Museum and we spent some time in just one of the stained glass > halls. There were windows saved from homes and castles, as well as the > ecclesiastic windows. There were two fragments from Henry VIII's Nonesuch > castle - one of the Tudor rose and crown that was beautiful beyond belief. > (I didn't even know that anything survived Nonesuch's destruction.) At any > rate, from the Renaissance on, stained glass was used in castles, palaces, > and large mansions. > > Any Victorian home of any size had at least one large stained glass window > - often on the front stair landing, many of them done by the same firms > that did the churches of that era, and the practice continued through the > Edwardian and into the twenties - and sometimes in the 30s and 40s, since > most of the homes built in those eras were for people with a modicum of > money. The "Babbit" houses in those later years had a much scaled back, > smaller, simpler window in the stairwell, or as transoms over the front > windows and door. The Arts and Crafts houses mostly had some stained > glass, and of course you know about Frank Lloyd Wright. > > I think the death of the use of stained glass in public places was the > Bauhaus and subsequent almost total lack of decoration in architectural > structures, and on the home front it was because of the depression, the war > years when supplies (probably workers, too) were almost impossible to > obtain, and the post war era with it's need for instant housing for > families of the boomers - witness all the little ticky tacky boxes - really > tiny by today's standards, and jerry built. > > The reason cold harsh daylight is used in prisons, police stations, > schools, is that no art (or money) whatsoever is lavished on these > utilitarian structures. You don't really think they are going to hire a > good architect, do you? Not unless the codes require it, and if so they > will hunt for the one who charges the least and has no real talent. If you > check out some of the older court houses you will find stained glass. You > will also be apt to find it in the old better government buildings - > especially in the state capitols. > > And as for WHY they used it, apart from the didactics involved in teaching > a populace who couldn't read about their religion, the human race going > back 20,000 years or so has always evidenced a love and need for creation > and decoration - so why wouldn't they enjoy the magical qualities that > result from playing with light? It is pure beauty, so it was a way of > praising/honoring God when used in the church, and apart from genuine > appreciation in the home, it was (dare I say it?) conspicuous consumption. > > I look around me at all these overblown "English summer homes" and quasi > mansions which have sprung up all over the good agricultural land in the > last 15 years, and hope and pray their owners will realize their VERY > EXPENSIVE home just isn't complete without a LARGE stained glass window, > and maybe even a front door and side panels. (and that I'm the one to do it > ) - Cec > > Joseph Augusta wrote: > > > Something I find interesting that I'd like to get your take on is the > > apparent link between religion and stained glass. As a lifelong artist > > the only comparable situation between religion and painting that comes > > to mind is in the Rothko paintings in the chapel in Texas. There, he > > still painted his sombre rectangles, but in contemplative colors. > > > > Now in historical as well as contemporary society, we find that in the > > main (I know there are exceptions) stained glass is used only in > > religious settings. How did that come about? To think that when you're > > inside a structure to contemplate a higher form of consciousness, or a > > higher state of being, you need the light entering the structure to be > > filtered through some pretty colored glass---whether it's figurative, or > > abstract. On the other hand, think of the DA's office-- say in the > > Bronx---can you imagine the windows in the interrogation room being > > garnished with lovely stained glass panels? Or, how about this, you go > > to visit your loved one in prison, and get to talk to them through the > > glass partition-- and it's made of Lambert's glass or Uroboros Streaky? > > > > What we seem to have to deal with is a hierarchy of light and color: > > light, as it exists as a form of energy from our sun is bad, worldy, and > > cold---it has to be broken down into components of itself (the spectrum) > > especially, the warm end, to elevate us to a higher plane of reality. I > > don't know about that; do you? > > > > best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 19:13:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:21:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 21:19:13 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec13.21913.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/12/1999 8:39:00 AM EST, alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net writes: > > You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from > Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. > Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them. > > > Alber Albert honey, Don't forget Blenko. It's really wonderful glass. Anne Anson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 20:20:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:59:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: apologies Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.175330.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Let there be light light light and there was light light light. Sorry - having access problems trying to get mail to up upload. - Cec -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 20:49:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:46:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: MATRONA@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:46:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.164654.0> References: <<1999Dec13.21913.0>> Precedence: bulk You both left out my favorite, Youghioheny. Suzanne > > You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from > > Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. > > Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them. > > > > > > Alber > Albert honey, > Don't forget Blenko. > It's really wonderful glass. > Anne Anson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 21:03:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:47:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Cecily and Ralph Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: apologies Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:46:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.184619.0> References: <<1999Dec12.175330.0>> Precedence: bulk No problem. No problem. No problem. Tom Tom Tom :) :) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 10:53 PM Subject: apologies : Let there be light light light and there was light light light. Sorry - : having access problems trying to get mail to up upload. - Cec : : -- : ********************************************************************* : * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood : * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) : ********************************************************************* : : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 21:19:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:49:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:48:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec12.164834.0> References: <<38547A3E.B5016CC2@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk Oops! I need to proofread. Youghiogheny~! :o) Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > You both left out my favorite, Youghioheny. > > Suzanne > > > > You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from > > > Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. > > > Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them. > > > > > > > > > Alber > > Albert honey, > > Don't forget Blenko. > > It's really wonderful glass. > > Anne Anson ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 12 23:55:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:47:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: xtra.co.nz!TMacnicol From: Tina Booth To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: do you really need that pattern??? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:44:57 +1300 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.94457.0> References: <<003101bf4436$cd08ec20$fc7e37d2@Andy>> Precedence: bulk Hi all There has been a few requests lately for sg patterns and it has reminded me of when I first started designing houses. When I began designing houses I was forever buying plan books, search for the perfect house plan. I would spend night after night browsing books determining which plan would suit my clients the best and which one would require the least modifications. I wasted hours doing this. I now am able to design a house to suit the location and clients perfectly with out having to search through endless pile of plans. I also do this with SG now. You will find that when you are confident in your ability to design and have a good understanding of what can and can't be achieved in the design. You will no longer have to search for patterns. You will be able to draw your own. Now I also know that there is no need to go re-inventing the wheel, and when it comes down to a complicated piece it is often quicker to modify, or merge with an existing design, than it is to re-create one. Books now sit on my shelves only to be used for illustrating a point to a client, checking ideas for suitability etc. My inspiration comes first, books come second. My point is this. Get some confidence in your drawing ability, recall what you have already done. Remember the styles you have used and the rules that applied to those styles. Then create..... create..... create.... Then you may find that you no longer need the books. Food for thought -- -Tina Booth- -Knowledge is true opinion- -Plato- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 03:35:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:18:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199912131120.GAA03111@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Albert honey, > Don't forget Blenko. > It's really wonderful glass. > Anne Anson Yes, I didn't mention them all, but only a couple here and a couple there. Did you see the Blenko extravaganza on PBS TV the other night? A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 05:40:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 04:59:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Tina Booth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: do you really need that pattern??? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:00:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.5043.0> References: <<1999Dec14.94457.0>> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk I agree with you, Tina. I have saved a great deal of time searching for the perfect pattern since I started designing my own. Often I do an internet search for a specific- say a certain flower or bird, and use the results to design with. The art galleries and photo sites and natural history sites have lots of great pics. I also use field guides, art books etc. Although my patterns aren't perfect, neither are lots that come out of pattern books!!! Gail Tina Booth wrote: > Hi all > > There has been a few requests lately for sg patterns and it has reminded > me of when I first started designing houses. > > When I began designing houses I was forever buying plan books, search > for the perfect house plan. I would spend night after night browsing > books determining which plan would suit my clients the best and which > one would require the least modifications. I wasted hours doing this. > I now am able to design a house to suit the location and clients > perfectly with out having to search through endless pile of plans. I > also do this with SG now. > > You will find that when you are confident in your ability to design and > have a good understanding of what can and can't be achieved in the > design. You will no longer have to search for patterns. You will be able > to draw your own. Now I also know that there is no need to go > re-inventing the wheel, and when it comes down to a complicated piece it > is often quicker to modify, or merge with an existing design, than it is > to re-create one. > > Books now sit on my shelves only to be used for illustrating a point to > a client, checking ideas for suitability etc. My inspiration comes > first, books come second. > > My point is this. Get some confidence in your drawing ability, recall > what you have already done. Remember the styles you have used and the > rules that applied to those styles. Then create..... create..... > create.... Then you may find that you no longer need the books. > > Food for thought > > -- > -Tina Booth- > -Knowledge is true opinion- > -Plato- > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 09:17:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:50:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:49:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.64945.0> Precedence: bulk Correct me folks if I'm in error here, but is my math correct? You mean that jobglass from the W-C company actually costs about $150 for a piece of glass 12" x 12"? Ain't that a bit high end? Compared to sheet gold, for example? See for yourself: http://www.warner-criv.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=9970%2D002 PS Anyone know the gnome or gnomes making this stuff? I like it. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 10:31:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:33:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Tom" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Hoax Viruses, etc. Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.7301.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BF4565.C66E6400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But seriously... There is another hoax going around that the terminally-cute Elf Bowling game is a Trojan horse. It isn't. Before you circulate a gazillion copies of any virus warnings, please check them out. Symantec, the makers of Norton Antivirus products, has this page debunking virus hoaxes, and it's generally right up to date. You should probably check this one first if you are tempted to broadcast a warning: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html The US Department of Energy also maintains a list of virus hoaxes: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BF4565.C66E6400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_011C_01BF4565.C66E6400-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 10:36:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:21:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:21:33 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.62133.0> References: <<1999Dec13.64945.0>> Precedence: bulk My local retailer charges 2-3 x's that. So...if I wanted to buy it, Warner Criv is the place for me. Suzanne Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Correct me folks if I'm in error here, but is my math correct? You mean > that jobglass from the W-C company actually costs about $150 for a piece > of glass 12" x 12"? Ain't that a bit high end? Compared to sheet gold, > for example? > > See for yourself: > > http://www.warner-criv.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=9970%2D002 > > PS Anyone know the gnome or gnomes making this stuff? I like it. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 11:13:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:58:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: Brad Walker To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:01:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.914.0> References: <<1999Dec13.64945.0>> Precedence: bulk Job Glass was created by a guy named Bill Job -- among other things, he oversees the making of stained glass houses, Tiffany reproductions, and related items. Most of his materials stress the "hand-made" aspect of the production, but the bulk of it is made in China (by hand, to be fair) using very cheap labor. $150 a square foot represents quite a mark-up, given that you could make a square foot of the glass for about $15 and access to a kiln. If you decide to buy a bunch for $150, let me know - I'd be happy to make you some for half that, laughing all the way to the bank. (By the way, Job claims to have "invented" the glass, but Boyce Lundstrom's Glass Fusing Book One has several very similar items, along with suggestions on how to make them.) Job's site is worth taking a look at, if only to see the kinds of things he and his Chinese workers have come up with: http://www.billjob.com/ You can find JobGlass in the Products and Services section. Brad Walker Joseph Augusta wrote: > Correct me folks if I'm in error here, but is my math correct? You mean > that jobglass from the W-C company actually costs about $150 for a piece > of glass 12" x 12"? Ain't that a bit high end? Compared to sheet gold, > for example? > > See for yourself: > > http://www.warner-criv.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=9970%2D002 > > PS Anyone know the gnome or gnomes making this stuff? I like it. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 11:49:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:24:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: yahoo.com!avaylee From: Laurel LaFayette To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:38:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec13.23849.0> Precedence: bulk It's 1.15 for a pack of six. So it's really only $24 for a square foot. If my math is right... which isn't my strong suit. Signed - A Lurker --- Joseph Augusta wrote: > Correct me folks if I'm in error here, but is my > math correct? You mean > that jobglass from the W-C company actually costs > about $150 for a piece > of glass 12" x 12"? Ain't that a bit high end? > Compared to sheet gold, > for example? > > See for yourself: > > http://www.warner-criv.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=9970%2D002 > > PS Anyone know the gnome or gnomes making this > stuff? I like it. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 12:16:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:45:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:25:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199912131927.OAA18172@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > $150 a square foot represents quite a mark-up, given that you could > make a square foot of the glass for about $15 and access to a kiln. Hmm. Since quite a bit of time would be involved, not to mention the cost of glass, fuel for the kiln, and waste as you learned to make the stuff stick together without popping off voluntarily, the hourly rate for the square foot to end up costing $15 would have to be kinda low, don't you think? Having seem some of this glass up close and personal, I'll have to admit that I think it's not the most beautiful stuff I've ever seen. My opinion, of course, but I did have to reach for the Tums right away. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 13:50:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:04:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: juno.com!tifstyorig From: Diane W Manchester To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Test Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:58:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.75858.0> Precedence: bulk Sorry, but my turn to test. It's been 2 days since any mail from bungi and that just doesn't seem right....... Diane M. ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 14:15:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:26:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: attaching letters to glass Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:22:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.112234.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Nancy Mullins" >I do have one question if someone would be so kind to respond. I am =3D= making a small one word sign and would like some suggestions on how to =3D= attach letters to a flat piece of glass. ( I am using the foiling =3D method) Any help would be appreciated.< What are the letters made of? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 14:26:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:26:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Grinding straight pieces?? Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.112241.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Yegnim@aol.com >I have an acquaintence who uses nothing but a belt sander!!! He does hu= ge mirrored glass scultures that are NEVER foiled nor soldered. The pieces are = mostly very long and thin....... bit on the phalic side, you could say. = Apparantly they are glued to a backboard. I asked him quite awhile ago a= nd I = believe he said he used a "regular" belt sander. Cost is approximately $100. < Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I have visions of people using a dry (i.e. non-wet) belt sander and then breathing in glass dust!!! Yikes. Please, please people....use the proper equipment - i.e. a WET grinding mechanism of some sort. Remember, we're only given one set of lungs so don't stuff them up with glass dust! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 14:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:39:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Bob Collins" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Hoax Viruses, etc. Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.11373.0> References: <<385565F6.121936EA@nesbeonline.com>> Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: Hoax Viruses, etc. : This message was completely blank, did the virus eat it up? : : Bob, still wondering why he gets so many blank messages from Bungi. Here is the article, Bob. Tom There is another hoax going around that the terminally-cute Elf Bowling game is a Trojan horse. It isn't. Before you circulate a gazillion copies of any virus warnings, please check them out. Symantec, the makers of Norton Antivirus products, has this page debunking virus hoaxes, and it's generally right up to date. You should probably check this one first if you are tempted to broadcast a warning: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html The US Department of Energy also maintains a list of virus hoaxes: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 15:00:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:11:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.12847.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" > Having seem some of this glass up close and personal, I'll have to = admit that I think it's not the most beautiful stuff I've ever seen. = My opinion, of course, but I did have to reach for the Tums right = away. < I'm inclined to agree with you on this one! Urp. Would rather spend $150 for a sheet of Lamberts any day. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 13 16:01:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:26:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Spelling...Re: Spectrum's Artique? [Lamberts/Fremont] Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.132341.0> References: <<1999Dec12.164834.0>> Precedence: bulk That's okay, everyone mispells that at times. Last time I bought some glass at the train station, I was writing a check and started to spell out loud before I started to write the name and the lady at the counter whipped out a stamp and said, "Let me just stamp your check." BEt they do that a lot! Dorothy Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Oops! I need to proofread. > > Youghiogheny~! :o) > > Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > > > You both left out my favorite, Youghioheny. > > > > Suzanne > > > > > > You bet. You can visit a number of glass factories in the U.S., from > > > > Kokomo and Wissmach in the East to Spectrum and Uroboros in the West. > > > > Get in touch with them and plan your summer vacation around them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alber > > > Albert honey, > > > Don't forget Blenko. > > > It's really wonderful glass. > > > Anne Anson > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 07:36:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:58:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Subject: Beveler Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:18:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.91852.0> Precedence: bulk Good afternoon, I was wondering if anyone happens to know a someone who does custom bevels on the east coast. Preferably around the mid atlantic states. Thanks..........pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 07:37:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:25:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: No Bungi Mail Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:35 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec14.12335.0> Precedence: bulk I haven't gotten anything from Bungi for 2 whole days. That's not normal. Can you please check it out for me. I want my Bungi! Thanks and Happy Holidays to ALL! Caren ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 07:37:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:31:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: bardstown.com!glassx From: "Glass Expressions" To: "IGGA BUNGI" Content-Type: multipart/related; Subject: help with etching cream Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:32:28 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.183228.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF461E.855D2320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy holidays to all! Ive used etching cream in the past with no problem- Im etching a golfer on glass 2 1/2 ft. on the new spectrum rough rolled glass (smooth side) and having a really hard time with it etching- very light and alot of spaces not etching at all- please help any suggestions appreciated very much! thanks ricky -glass expressions ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF461E.855D2320 Content-Type: image/gif Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <000601bf45db$7730bb60$10bbd7d1@oemcomputer> R0lGODlhqAO0AKIAAP////+1IfelEOelGOeMCJyEEIRrCAAAACwAAAAAqAO0AAAD/xiyI81jkOdG aCFnQYRSXIQ9EXcxjvdpXQC8cCzPdG3feK7vfO//wKBwSCwaj8ikcslsOp/QqHRKrVprkYxF4mlY OCnLR4xRkDfb1ALUkZBKcMt1Tq/b7/i8fs/v+/+AgYJACyYqGlqIFwVbIhMqHB2FAQRjGyuXIGiV HoOen6ChoqOkpaanqKlFmIcDBQUGBrCxsa+0s7ETK5AOJxGPEpxhZSYuqsfIycrLzM3Oz9BCLQS4 tNay17XXs7PBFgTg4ZHh5JItCxPR6uvs7e7v8PHsldWyBRMiXhUlKPi29YxA9CqkxlwHcRnkKVzI sKHDhxAjymhADRYjghg3rGG1j/+aNYuP0OGDJOaQRmMSU6pcybKly5dM1vTSB0YEpQcfVFBsQ8Ki 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http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 19:30:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: SG dogma-- Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:07:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.675.0> Precedence: bulk Met last night with the genius of southern Mass. stained glass--who only works in lead came, generally on church window restorations. He gave me some tips on his working methods---what do you guys think of these things? 1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. 2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. 3. never grout the panels--grout never dries, make your own cement mixture-- his recipe sounded more like gesso to me than cement 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball of solder (60/40) with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux onto the glass. And many more I can't recall just now. What was interesting about the guy is that his working method is to get the job done any way he can--and he had no affinity for any brand of tool, or any tool at all for that matter---he made most of the tools himself--for jigs etc. One tip for those doing restorations that you may find interesting is that he always uses H came on the outside border--so that he can trim it away to fit into the wooden frame. Also, he covers the outside of the windows entirely with 1/8 Lexan, though he says it clouds up after a while but doesn't affect the window when seen from the inside. Oh, I asked him to criticize a panel I'm working on--remember I'm a newbie --and was pleased to hear him say that there was nothing wrong with it! But then I thought about it on the way home, and he didn't say there was anything right about it either! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 19:30:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:31:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:40:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.2409.0> References: <<1999Dec13.64945.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > PS Anyone know the gnome or gnomes making this stuff? Thanks for the info on the jobglass--found the site, don't like the lampshades at all--they look like calico. The glass may be better used in moderation. For those who missed the math: to calculate square footage (total area) of a piece multiply the length by width. Thus a square foot is 12" long x 12" wide; totalling 144" So, the the number of jobglass (1" x 1") pieces to cover 1 sq ft is 144. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 19:52:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:34:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Bob Oddy's website Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:17:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.91745.0> Precedence: bulk I've lost it. Someone please send me the url? Thanks. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 19:55:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 07:36:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dave & Lynn Loda , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:21:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec13.102131.0> References: <<000e01bf45b4$2abca860$d5c6f1d1@default>> Precedence: bulk Just called my local retailer to check their price. Locally it is $208.80 per sq foot. Still worth it to me to get it from Warner Criv (If I used Job glass). Guess I did exaggerate. :o) Suzanne Dave & Lynn Loda wrote: > > They charge $450.00 a foot. Methinks there is a little exaggeration here. > Dave & Lynn Loda > Art Glass of Wenatchee > Wenatchee, WA > http://www.artglassw.com > 1-888-265-6798 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 19:58:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:05:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: xtra.co.nz!TMacnicol From: Tina Booth To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glass Magic Software Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:04:40 +1300 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.21440.0> Precedence: bulk To all those who ordered a copy of Glass Magic Software through me. It should arrive at your place near the end of this week. I have one remaining copy to offer bungians. Still at the bargin price of $18 incl postage. Enjoy. -- -Tina Booth- -Knowledge is true opinion- -Plato- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 20:15:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:12:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: $150 per sq. ft! Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec15.62749.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------873B9BE546A5159263DD848C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------873B9BE546A5159263DD848C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38563AA9.6A8BD6BD@ply.adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:40:09 -0500 From: Joseph Augusta X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glass Subject: Re: $150 per sq. ft! References: <1999Dec13.64945.0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joseph Augusta wrote: > > PS Anyone know the gnome or gnomes making this stuff? Thanks for the info on the jobglass--found the site, don't like the lampshades at all--they look like calico. The glass may be better used in moderation. For those who missed the math: to calculate square footage (total area) of a piece multiply the length by width. Thus a square foot is 12" long x 12" wide; totalling 144" So, the the number of jobglass (1" x 1") pieces to cover 1 sq ft is 144. Best wishes, Joseph --------------873B9BE546A5159263DD848C-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 20:36:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:13:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: SG dogma- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:27:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec15.6279.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5B786901AE8732778BC16172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------5B786901AE8732778BC16172 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38566B29.298459AF@ply.adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:07:05 -0500 From: Joseph Augusta X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: glass Subject: SG dogma-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Met last night with the genius of southern Mass. stained glass--who only works in lead came, generally on church window restorations. He gave me some tips on his working methods---what do you guys think of these things? 1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. 2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. 3. never grout the panels--grout never dries, make your own cement mixture-- his recipe sounded more like gesso to me than cement 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball of solder (60/40) with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux onto the glass. And many more I can't recall just now. What was interesting about the guy is that his working method is to get the job done any way he can--and he had no affinity for any brand of tool, or any tool at all for that matter---he made most of the tools himself--for jigs etc. One tip for those doing restorations that you may find interesting is that he always uses H came on the outside border--so that he can trim it away to fit into the wooden frame. Also, he covers the outside of the windows entirely with 1/8 Lexan, though he says it clouds up after a while but doesn't affect the window when seen from the inside. Oh, I asked him to criticize a panel I'm working on--remember I'm a newbie --and was pleased to hear him say that there was nothing wrong with it! But then I thought about it on the way home, and he didn't say there was anything right about it either! Best wishes, Joseph --------------5B786901AE8732778BC16172-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 20:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:14:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Best dead-on colors? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec15.73157.0> Precedence: bulk Who, in your opinion, has the best translucent, dead-on, solid color, no texture glass? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 21:02:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:19:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9C0988D8B9B1A694E341C69B" Subject: NG For Women Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec14.2031.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9C0988D8B9B1A694E341C69B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This came from my daughter and I thought that many of you would like to read it. I thought it covered many of women on this list. > > > Subject: Fwd: Woman > > > > We Are....AWESOME WOMEN. Women have strengths that amaze men. They carry > > children, they carry hardships, they carry burdens but they hold > > happiness, love and joy. They smile when they want to scream. They sing > > when they want to cry. They cry when they are happy and laugh when they > > are nervous. Women wait by the phone for a "safe at home call" from a > > friend after a snowy drive home. Women have special qualities about > > them. They volunteer for good causes. They are pink ladies in hospitals, > > they bring food to shut ins. They are childcare workers, executives, > > attorneys, stay-at-home moms, biker babes and your neighbors. They wear > > suits, jeans, and they wear uniforms. They fight for what they believe > > in. They stand up for injustice. They are in the front row at PTA > > meetings. They vote for the person that will do the best job for family > > issues. They walk and talk the extra mile to get their children in the > > right schools and for getting their family the right healthcare. They > > write to the editor, their congressmen and to the"powers that be" for > > things that make for a better life. They don't take "no" for an answer > > when they believe there is a better solution. They stick a love note in > > their husband's lunch box. They do without new shoes so their children > > can have them. They go to the doctor with a frightened friend. They love > > unconditionally. Women are honest, loyal, and forgiving. They are smart, > > knowing that knowledge is power. But they still know how to use their > > softer side to make a point. Women want to be the best for their family, > > their friends, and themselves. They cry when their children excel and > > cheer when their friends get awards. They are happy when they hear about > > a birth or a new marriage. Their hearts break when a friend dies. They > > have sorrow at the loss of a family member, yet they are strong when > > they think there is no strength left. A woman's touch can cure any > > ailment. They know that a hug and a kiss can heal a broken heart. She > > can make a romantic evening unforgettable. Women come in all sizes, in > > all colors and shapes. They live in homes, apartments and cabins. They > > drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you to show how much they care about > > you. The heart of a woman is what makes the world spin! Women do more > > than just give birth. They bring joy and hope. They give compassion and > > ideals. They give moral support to their family and friends. And all > > they want back is a hug, a smile and for you to do the same to people > > you come in contact with. Women have a lot to say and a lot to give. > > This was sent to you by someone who respects you as a woman and who sees > > many of your qualities in this letter. Why not pass it on to someone you > > recognize and know? Just a note of appreciation to some wonderful > > females...... > > > > > > --------------9C0988D8B9B1A694E341C69B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mail7.bellatlantic.net ([207.68.32.38]) by immta1.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991213190459.KMEY21104.immta1@mail7.bellatlantic.net> for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:04:59 -0500 Received: from ahlacomm.healthlawyers.org (ml.nhla.org [207.196.94.194] (may be forged)) by mail7.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18884 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by ml.nhla.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <616C8B1207F7D111923800805FBB567E53FFA8@ml.nhla.org> From: Elizabeth Turqman To: "Margaret Turqman (E-mail)" , "Elsie Turqman (E-mail)" , "Louisa Turqman (E-mail)" , "Patty DeMund (E-mail)" , "Katy Warren (E-mail)" , "Kim Stoke (E-mail)" , "Becky Gormley (E-mail)" , "Cindy Stewart (E-mail)" , "Suzan Becker (E-mail)" , "Melissa Nowak (E-mail)" , "Kris Satkunas (E-mail)" , "Bethe Phares (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:52:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This came from a friend of mine who has had some man trouble, so I thought i'd pass it along to some of my favorite women. > Subject: Fwd: Woman > > We Are....AWESOME WOMEN. Women have strengths that amaze men. They carry > children, they carry hardships, they carry burdens but they hold > happiness, love and joy. They smile when they want to scream. They sing > when they want to cry. They cry when they are happy and laugh when they > are nervous. Women wait by the phone for a "safe at home call" from a > friend after a snowy drive home. Women have special qualities about > them. They volunteer for good causes. They are pink ladies in hospitals, > they bring food to shut ins. They are childcare workers, executives, > attorneys, stay-at-home moms, biker babes and your neighbors. They wear > suits, jeans, and they wear uniforms. They fight for what they believe > in. They stand up for injustice. They are in the front row at PTA > meetings. They vote for the person that will do the best job for family > issues. They walk and talk the extra mile to get their children in the > right schools and for getting their family the right healthcare. They > write to the editor, their congressmen and to the"powers that be" for > things that make for a better life. They don't take "no" for an answer > when they believe there is a better solution. They stick a love note in > their husband's lunch box. They do without new shoes so their children > can have them. They go to the doctor with a frightened friend. They love > unconditionally. Women are honest, loyal, and forgiving. They are smart, > knowing that knowledge is power. But they still know how to use their > softer side to make a point. Women want to be the best for their family, > their friends, and themselves. They cry when their children excel and > cheer when their friends get awards. They are happy when they hear about > a birth or a new marriage. Their hearts break when a friend dies. They > have sorrow at the loss of a family member, yet they are strong when > they think there is no strength left. A woman's touch can cure any > ailment. They know that a hug and a kiss can heal a broken heart. She > can make a romantic evening unforgettable. Women come in all sizes, in > all colors and shapes. They live in homes, apartments and cabins. They > drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you to show how much they care about > you. The heart of a woman is what makes the world spin! Women do more > than just give birth. They bring joy and hope. They give compassion and > ideals. They give moral support to their family and friends. And all > they want back is a hug, a smile and for you to do the same to people > you come in contact with. Women have a lot to say and a lot to give. > This was sent to you by someone who respects you as a woman and who sees > many of your qualities in this letter. Why not pass it on to someone you > recognize and know? Just a note of appreciation to some wonderful > females...... > > > --------------9C0988D8B9B1A694E341C69B-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 22:11:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:15:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:11:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec16.51138.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/15/99 10:31:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net writes: << 1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. Did he say why not, Joseph? I do it often, when the design warrants it, and have never had a problem. But I would like to hear his reasoning. 2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. Why not, again? I've used paste flux on came for years.... 3. never grout the panels--grout never dries, make your own cement mixture-- No argument there...all of us know the putty recipe by now, we've had DETAILED discussions about this with description of all components, the chemical breakdown and reactions, boiled vs. raw linseed oil, % of oil to spirits, use of plaster, etc, thanks to a couple of Bobs and Dani, who spelled out the facts. (See August 1999 in the archives, if you wish to review this. I just finished editing that month...I know those posts!) 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball of solder (60/40) with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux onto the glass. Well, to each his own as to style. Why not hold the spool of solder in the other hand and melt a small amount on to the joint? I almost always use flat H (1/2") on the outside borders..not just for restoration work, either... easier to fit, easy to frame, provides something for cabinet clips/moldings etc. to fit up against as opposed to the glass. The use of Lexan is interesting..he used it on everything? Why not tempered glass, it won't cloud up? Thanks for the review, Joseph. I'd be interested in more information. You'll probably see as many responses as there are glass artists on bungi. Happy Holidays to you. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 15 22:49:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:08:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: Suzanne Gunn , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:53:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991215215355.009b7b40@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Dec14.91745.0>> Precedence: bulk The last one I have is http://www.servtech.com/public/rnoddy. At 03:17 PM 12/14/99 -0600, Suzanne Gunn wrote: >I've lost it. Someone please send me the url? > >Thanks. >Suzanne >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 01:08:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:01:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: No Bungi Mail Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:53:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec15.145341.0> References: <<1999Dec14.12335.0>> Precedence: bulk Same for me, too, except this and couple other messages. I guess we're all too busy to talk. I have three commissions to finish up by early next week, i have to go up to Vermont over the weekend, and I haven't made ANY cookies yet! I have managed to find a couple of presents for the granddaughter, but feel like I need a personal shopper this year. Business has been GOOD. My full time job has been insane! I'm making three angels for someone who called, disappointed that she didn't see us at a mall show we used to do -- because the mall was torn down! She'd kept our card, though.... Dorothy mschatee@juno.com wrote: > I haven't gotten anything from Bungi for 2 whole days. That's not > normal. Can you please check it out for me. I want my Bungi! > > Thanks and Happy Holidays to ALL! > > Caren > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Why pay more to get Web access? > Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! > Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 02:40:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:31:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG For Women (and Men) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 04:26:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199912160928.EAA01121@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > This came from my daughter and I thought that many of you would like > to read it. I thought it covered many of women on this list. It seemed appropriate to many of the men on this list, too, as far as I'm concerned. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 06:14:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:21:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Awbaxter@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:49:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.24915.0> References: <<0.244e7b59.2589ce8a@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk Awbaxter@aol.com wrote: > 1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. > Did he say why not, Joseph? Not exactly--but I think, at least for him, foil is for sissys. > 2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. > Why not, again? I've used paste flux on came for years.... He said paste flux eats the came and glass over time--liquid flux doesn't. > > 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball > of solder (60/40) with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread > the flux onto the glass. > Well, to each his own as to style. Why not hold the spool of solder in the > other hand and melt a small amount on to the joint? Then which hand is left to hold your cigarette? This guy's a chain smoker--seems like most oldtimers in this medium smoke---some variation on the established way of doing things? > I almost always use flat H (1/2") on the outside borders..not just for > restoration work, either... easier to fit, easy to frame, provides something > for cabinet clips/moldings etc. to fit up against as opposed to the glass. > > The use of Lexan is interesting..he used it on everything? Why not tempered > glass, it won't cloud up? Yes--he said that glass is too heavy--most of his work is on big church windows. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 07:48:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:47:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "Joseph Augusta" , Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:34:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.33416.0> References: <<1999Dec14.675.0>> Precedence: bulk So who is this genius? Care to share??? pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Augusta" To: "glass" Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 11:07 AM Subject: SG dogma-- > Met last night with the genius of southern Mass. stained glass--who only > works in lead came, generally on church window restorations. He gave me > some tips on his working methods---what do you guys think of these > things? > > 1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. > 2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. > 3. never grout the panels--grout never dries, make your own cement > mixture-- > his recipe sounded more like gesso to me than cement > 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball > of solder (60/40) > with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux > onto the glass. > > And many more I can't recall just now. What was interesting about the > guy is that his working method is to get the job done any way he > can--and he had no affinity for any brand of tool, or any tool at all > for that matter---he made most of the tools himself--for jigs etc. One > tip for those doing restorations that you may find interesting is that > he always uses H came on the outside border--so that he can trim it away > to fit into the wooden frame. Also, he covers the outside of the > windows entirely with 1/8 Lexan, though he says it clouds up after a > while but doesn't affect the window when seen from the inside. > > Oh, I asked him to criticize a panel I'm working on--remember I'm a > newbie --and was pleased to hear him say that there was nothing wrong > with it! But then I thought about it on the way home, and he didn't say > there was anything right about it either! > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 08:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:27:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: last minute gifts,kids can make: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:26:20 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec16.152620.0> Precedence: bulk I know this is a little late but my 6 yr old granddaughter has been creating her gifts this year with the help of an HG TV idea and grandma's improvements...... The gifts are candle holders that are decorated by applying stained glass liquid colors, you get in the craft department at WalMart, to clear purchased round or square votive holders' in an endless array of designs , then applying "salt" to the paint.....this creates a frosted look.The idea on HG TV used finger nail polishes.....I had the colors left over so we used them.....Colored elmer's glue { food colors work great} , Tacky Glue or other non - toxic " stickys" could be used. If you have a bottle cutter, you can make your own holders then have the kids create away.......we had a great time.....Plus it gets them into using the best art medium of all, "GLASS" . Happy Holidays to All, Abbie in VA. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 08:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:52:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:35:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199912161437.JAA26248@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Not exactly--but I think, at least for him, foil is for sissys. Qui'en es mas macho? Guess we know where that leaves Tiffany, eh? Whatta guy! > Then which hand is left to hold your cigarette? This guy's a chain > smoker--seems like most oldtimers in this medium smoke---some > variation on the established way of doing things? A very bad habit in the studio is putting hand to mouth for whatever, whether for smoking or eating. But as macho as this guy is, he's doubtless too tough for mere lead to do him any harm. Hmm. I wonder if he washes his working clothes with the family laundry, too? > > The use of Lexan is interesting..he used it on everything? Why > > not tempered glass, it won't cloud up? > > Yes--he said that glass is too heavy--most of his work is on big > church windows. Baloney. Glass is absolutely *not too heavy. He just doesn't know how to use it, is all. Glass is the material of choice for experienced studios doing restoration, whether a fully leaded version (the classic approach) or not. I would take everything this guy says with more than a grain of salt. A tablespoonful? Geez! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 09:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:28:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: seznam.cz!r.skokan From: Richard Skokan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: glass 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:26:30 +0200 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.152630.0> Precedence: bulk Happy New Age 2000 Richard Skokan www.inlight.cz -- http://email.seznam.cz -- email zdarma na cely zivot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 11:18:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:17:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Please help with chess set ideas Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:24:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.22444.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Hi and happy holidays to everyone, I want to make chess sets for my boys for christmas. My idea is to essentially make a box. The top will be the chess board and then there will be a drawer under that to hold the chess pieces. I am thinking of making the squares two by two. So that would make a box 16"X16"X 5"(deep). My first question is, the bottom of the box would be a solid 16"X16" piece of glass. Will it take the weight? How do I get my drawer to slide? Any ideas on color combinations? I want different colors for each boy. And anyone have any ideas on how to make the shapes of the peices? I am thinking something 3-D. Like a cirle cut in half and then an upright deisign soldered to the circle as a base. Pons could be simple circle on a square. Castle could be just one piece with a jagged top. Queen and king could be body, face, and crown, But the bishop and the knight really have me stumped. Thanks in advance. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 12:31:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:04:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: balloch@netbridge.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Please help with chess set ideas Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:57:57 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec16.195757.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley, How old are those boys, anyways? They might be slammin those chess pieces on that board! I might approach this with a wood worker....have a hinged box made, and insert the glass board into the bottom, against the wood, (with or without fabric to cushion the glass), and the pieces could be stored within the box. Something like a backgammon set. That would avoid the attempt to slide open a glass drawer...for that I would ask Mike Savad! As for the pieces...there are so many 3-d angels out there, some on a base, why not use them for inspiration? 20mm jewels of different colors for the head, etc. Good luck, and Merry Christmas! Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 12:32:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:27:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: "Shirley Balloch" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Please help with chess set ideas Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:27:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.4277.0> References: <<1999Dec16.22444.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk christmas of which decade! nice idea but...........only a recipe for disaster. best way is to buy a staunton set for the boys to learn and play on. use glass for a purpose it lends it self better to weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 13:13:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:31:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.101917.0> References: <<199912161437.JAA26248@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk I totally agree with Albert. That is why I would love to know who this guy is. Glass is the covering of choice. Lexan is not. If this guy is that much of a genius and been around that long he must know that glass not Lexan is the preferred covering. And if he has been around longer than that he will also know how to vent it correctly. As for taking him with a grain of salt? I think I would take him with a bushel of beans. And smoking has nothing to do with old timers or masters. And absolutely nothing to do with establishment. Ok..so you can't give us his name......can you give us some of the installations he has done? my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Lewis" To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:35 AM Subject: Re: SG dogma-- > > > Not exactly--but I think, at least for him, foil is for sissys. > > Qui'en es mas macho? Guess we know where that leaves Tiffany, > eh? Whatta guy! > > > > Then which hand is left to hold your cigarette? This guy's a chain > > smoker--seems like most oldtimers in this medium smoke---some > > variation on the established way of doing things? > > A very bad habit in the studio is putting hand to mouth for whatever, > whether for smoking or eating. But as macho as this guy is, he's > doubtless too tough for mere lead to do him any harm. Hmm. I wonder > if he washes his working clothes with the family laundry, too? > > > > > > The use of Lexan is interesting..he used it on everything? Why > > > not tempered glass, it won't cloud up? > > > > Yes--he said that glass is too heavy--most of his work is on big > > church windows. > > Baloney. Glass is absolutely *not too heavy. He just doesn't know how > to use it, is all. Glass is the material of choice for experienced > studios doing restoration, whether a fully leaded version (the > classic approach) or not. I would take everything this guy says with > more than a grain of salt. A tablespoonful? > > Geez! > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 13:42:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:10:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:37:59 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec16.203759.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? I am looking for: Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better Macro capabilities for close-ups PC compatable thanks Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 14:10:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:51:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:48:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199912162150.QAA07168@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Ok..so you can't give us his name......can you give us some of the > installations he has done? Whatterwe gonna do? Work backwards from that and pay him a visit? "Hey, you clown! Whattre you telling people about Lexan (R) being the protective glazing of cherce?" Lean on him? Breathe down his shirt? He's a jerk. To quote Julie Sloan, "Convince a man against his will and he'll be of the same opinion still." Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 14:43:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:03:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: oops Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:56:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.55640.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Maybe I should have mentioned that my boys are 20 and 22. They better know how to take care of a glass chess board!! Thanks for the advise everybody. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 15:13:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:42:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: seznam.cz!r.skokan From: Richard Skokan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:33:16 +0200 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.143316.0> Precedence: bulk Happy New Age 2000 www.inlight.cz -- http://email.seznam.cz -- email zdarma na cely zivot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 15:38:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:36:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.12330.0> References: <<1999Dec16.203759.0>> Precedence: bulk Laura, I love my Sony Mavica digital camera, a lot! The Sony Mavica is the *only* digital camera that uses 3.5" diskettes for its film. You can shoot as many as 40 regular pictures or 20 high quality pictures on a single 1.4MB 3.5" diskette. At today's prices that brings your 'film' cost down to about $.03 per 20-40 pictures! Try doing that with any other camera. ;)) Also, with the Sony Mavica you can make copies of any diskette, not just your pictures, but programs, too. The new Sony Mavica's also let you cut the pictures down in size for easy on the road emails via a modem. Imagine, you can take a picture one minute and in seconds you can literally post your picture around the world! As you can see, I really do love my Sony Mavica Digital Camera. Some of their models now let you make mini movies, add sound (good for descriptions of the picture), and so much more. The battery is super strong and lasts a very long time between recharging times. You can purchase an additional battery and never be caught short. If I was going to change anything about the Sony Mavica, it would be some way to dim the flash. I've heard the flash described as a "nuclear flash", it's not *that* bright, but it is very bright. There is a Sony Mavica Digital Camera 'ring' on the Internet. This shouldn't be hard to find if you do a search on any big search engine to locate them. Some people have used window tinting film for use as a shade for the "nuclear flash", some have added lenses to increase the telephoto range, etc. The Sony Mavica camera owners are very willing to share their secret finds and new ways to use their cameras with others, including me. haha! Hope this helps you out, I'll help you find a model to suit you also if you'd like. See how helpful we Sony owners are for the digital newbies? ;) Tom From: Subject: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? : Hi all, : : Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? : I am looking for: : Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better : Macro capabilities for close-ups : PC compatable : : Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 16:12:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:16:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.71625.0> Precedence: bulk So you want a good camera and not spend a fortune. Go to: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/store/catalog/Category.jhtml?CATID=9 I got the DC120 and love it. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 16:39:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:05:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.113214.0> References: <<1999Dec14.91745.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > I've lost it. Someone please send me the url? > > Thanks. > Suzanne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's at http://www.servtech.com/public/rnoddy/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 18:09:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:03:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: villagesoftsmith.com!steve From: Steve Wernecke To: HiimLaura@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:56:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991216165619.009de370@mail.villagesoftsmith.com> References: <<1999Dec16.203759.0>> Precedence: bulk I have an Olympus D400-Zoom and am happy with it. I bought it in June. If that model is still available, it meets all your specifications. Steve At 03:37 PM 12/16/99 EST, HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > >Hi all, > >Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? >I am looking for: >Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better >Macro capabilities for close-ups >PC compatable > >thanks > >Laura >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 18:29:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:15:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: seznam.cz!r.skokan From: Richard Skokan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:46:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.144637.0> Precedence: bulk Happy New Age 2000 R.Skokan www.inlight.cz -- http://email.seznam.cz -- email zdarma na cely zivot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 18:47:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:27:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mbwalker From: "M B Walker" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:26:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.152619.0> References: <<1999Dec16.203759.0>> Precedence: bulk I have a Fuji MX-1700 which I am very happy with (it's small enough to fit in your pocket), but both the Sony Mavica line and the Kodak cameras get good reviews. Just about any $500 camera will be PC-compatible and will have macro capability. (Most of the Sonys cost a bit more than $500, though.) There are a couple of web sites you ought to check out to get reviews and other info about digital cameras: Active Buyer's Guide http://www3.digitalcameras.activebuyersguide.com/abg/nav/StartGuide.cfm?CatI D=2&PID=1D203%2DCBB331F08AB01F6649466F165D15C891 Cnet http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1078.html PC Photo Review http://www.pcphotoreview.com/ Also, my experience was that I could save about $100 by buying from an on-line supplier rather than a local shop. Good luck, Brad Walker ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:37 PM Subject: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? > > Hi all, > > Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? > I am looking for: > Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better > Macro capabilities for close-ups > PC compatable > > thanks > > Laura > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 19:31:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:07:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:01:23 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.9123.0> Precedence: bulk So you want to save even more on a digital camera? How about a Kodak DC210 for $299.00!!!!!!!!!!!! Check out Kodak factory preconditioned cameras at: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/store/catalog/Category.jhtml?CATID=5 I saved 25% on my camera and feel good about the company and service. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 19:51:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:29:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:02:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.14220.0> References: <<38595AFE.40512B95@ply.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk I am not interested in skinning any cats. Just interested in why you think this man is a genius. I know a lot of glass artists from that region. Just was interested if we knew him or not. If he is a well known artist maybe we can know from that why he does what he does. And just because people seek someone out.......it doesn't make them a genius. Most of the general public hasn't a clue about correct or incorrect methods of glazing or protective covering. That is why people such as Julie Sloan are a blessing. They take the time to write about what is correct and hopefully someone will take the time to read it. You really feel you have to ask this man if you can post his installations? This really puzzles me. my best, pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Augusta" To: "pj friend" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:34 PM Subject: Re: SG dogma-- > pj friend wrote: > > > > > Ok..so you can't give us his name......can you give us some of the > > installations he has done? > > > > I'll ask him if he wants the location of some of his pieces posted to the > internet---meanwhile, remember there are many ways to skin a cat---and this > man's methods, no matter who may consider him in error, works for him, and > apparently those who seek him out. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 20:12:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:57:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Emeraldine and Pierre Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:56:28 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.45628.0> References: <<1999Dec15.145341.0>> Precedence: bulk I can't wait to hear of their holiday adventures. :o) Suzanne..who can live vicariously. Family Account wrote: > > Same for me, too, except this and couple other messages. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 16 20:29:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:02:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Hilary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:01:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.15155.0> References: <<385998D5.6C01E70F@voicenet.com>> Precedence: bulk lol...thanks everybody. suzanne Hilary wrote: > > He now has a new address: > > http://www.RobertOddy.com/ > > Hilary > > > > I've lost it. Someone please send me the url? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 00:36:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:24:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.11928.0> References: <<1999Dec16.203759.0@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? > I am looking for: > Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better > Macro capabilities for close-ups > PC compatable Laura, Our 11 year old Panasonic camcorder bit the dust a couple of months ago and so we recently acquired a Sony digital camcorder with digital camera capabilities ... meaning you can take up to 36 still photos, store them in 'flash memory', and then direct transfer them to the PC via a std COM connection (no extra board required). Video can also be stored on the PC. I've tested it and it works well and easily for SG (800 x 600 pixel res). Now the price is not the same (3x your stated goal) but it is a dual function device for us. [A good camcorder is a must for us since my wife is from Hungary, an only child, and close to her family. We have made approx 40-50 tapes, 2 hrs each, of the kids in the last 5 years for her family. Apparently they're well-watched back in Hungary.] Just an idea in case you're thinking about getting a camcorder as well either now or in the near future. Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 03:44:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:11:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Digital Camera Recommendations? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 05:27:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199912171029.FAA04271@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > So you want to save even more on a digital camera? How about a Kodak > DC210 for $299.00!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, I've been using a DC260 for several months now, but it ran way more than $500 ... about $800 if I remember rightly, plus a memory disk upgrade that took it to about $1000. Great hi-resolution photos, fast download to the PC and the upgrade was necessary because the disk that comes with the camera will hold only 8 images, a pain if you're out shooting on site. With the upgrade, I can get 64 high-resolution images, which is more helpful. But I'll certainly second Bob's opinion on the quality of product and service (not that I've needed anything but the upgrade ... it arrived quickly, though). And if you can get these cameras reconditioned at lower prices, so much the better! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 04:40:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:12:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: seznam.cz!r.skokan From: Richard Skokan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Hand Cut Crystal Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:22:31 +0200 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.132231.0> Precedence: bulk Hello, i need help. I do not know how useble is this page with Hand Cut Crystal. Is it good looking? Better quality more then 200dpi? Thank you. Richard Skokan http://www.inlight.cz/eng/1kat1.html -- http://email.seznam.cz -- email zdarma na cely zivot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 07:40:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:21:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: pat jellison To: Shirley Balloch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: oops Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:20:33 -0500 Message-ID: <385A54C1.A593D345@ceps.nasm.edu> References: <<1999Dec16.55640.0>> Precedence: bulk Chess pieces will require lead-free solder, won't they? All the handling and such? PJ Jellison Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Maybe I should have mentioned that my boys are 20 and 22. They better > know how to take care of a glass chess board!! > Thanks for the advise everybody. > Shirley B > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 08:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:48:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Mike Savad , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:58:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec16.175830.0> References: <<1999Dec16.113214.0>> Precedence: bulk He now has a new address: http://www.RobertOddy.com/ Hilary > > I've lost it. Someone please send me the url? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 08:38:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:53:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:52:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec17.155218.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/16/99 11:30:11 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >Hilary wrote: >> >> He now has a new address: ......... but no new work. I really wish he'd put up some new pictures - my enquiring mind wants to know what he's doing now! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 08:43:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:40:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Please help with chess set ideas Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:35:54 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec17.153554.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/16/99 2:18:55 PM, balloch@netbridge.net writes: >I want to make chess sets for my boys for christmas. >[...] >My first question is, the bottom of the box would be a solid 16"X16" >piece of glass. Will it take the weight? How 'bout putting a partition down the middle and making two half-width drawers (one for "white" pieces and one for "black" - maybe made of the same glass as the pieces), one pulling out from either side? Then you'd also have a solid half-wall on two sides in addition to the full walls on the other two sides and the center wall. That ought to be plenty strong. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 09:14:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:54:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: artglassconcepts.com!delores From: "Delores Taylor" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:53:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.05321.0> Precedence: bulk I've had the Olympus D400 Zoom for over a year and love it too. Seems I paid $300 at a computer store. I bought it at the time because consumer reports rated it and the Nikon best resolution. The Nikon was $1000 so I went with the Olympus as it was affordable. Haven't checked consumer reports since but your library should have current info. From: Steve Wernecke [mailto:steve@villagesoftsmith.com] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:56 PM To: HiimLaura@aol.com; glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? I have an Olympus D400-Zoom and am happy with it. I bought it in June. If that model is still available, it meets all your specifications. Steve HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > >Hi all, > >Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 09:46:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:04:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: artglassconcepts.com!delores From: "Delores Taylor" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: mac/pc but what about Unix Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:03:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.1336.0> References: <<1999Dec4.1555.0>> Precedence: bulk The next generation Mac due out after January is going to have two hard drives in it one running dos only and the other Mac so the operating system isn't slowed down switching back and forth. Is supposed to scream as far as speed is concerned. As for PC vs Mac my husband has had 3 PC's during the last 8 years. My Mac FX is still running like a champ and it's 10 years old. I need to upgrade also since it's slower then I'd like but the thought of the cost of graphics software and a new computer makes me ponder how important speed. When I'm waiting it is an annoyance so next year may be the year. Does anyone know about Unix machines and graphic software available for it? Are they cost equivilent? It seems I saw an ad for Silcon Graphics doing the lower end machine but not sure how this company is doing or how their product is. Vaguely remember the computer was $3000.00 without the flat moniter. -----Original Message----- From: Connie Bartel [mailto:BLUEHERON@etinternet.net] I had forgotten about soft PC. Have you had any experience with it? Wasn't there a couple of products on the market that did this function? Have you tried any of the graphical programs with it? Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 10:13:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:19:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Please help with chess set ideas Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.71716.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Shirley Balloch >My first question is, the bottom of the box would be a solid 16"X16" piece of glass. Will it take the weight? How do I get my drawer to slide? Any ideas on color combinations? I want different colors for each boy. And anyone have any ideas on how to make the shapes of the peices? I am thinking something 3-D. Like a cirle cut in half and then an upright deisign soldered to the circle as a base.< Solid piece of glass - make sure it's 1/4" thick and it will handle the weight just fine. You can get them from a regular auto glass/home & office glass place. Can't help you with the sliding drawers question, but Mike Savage sure can. Colors - let the kids choose! Or maybe use their school colors (assuming= they go to different schools). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 12:41:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:11:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: mailserver.trellis.net!ljpiii From: "Leroy J. Pittman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:10:49 EDT Message-ID: <199912171510.AA3819372834@mailserver.trellis.net> Precedence: bulk What are the secrets for cutting single and double chip glass? I just cut my first pieces and they were really "bear". Would my saw be better than my regular pistol grip cutter? Any help will be appreciated. Desparate In North Carolina Patricia Pittman ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 14:48:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:37:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Joseph Augusta Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:24:24 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.212424.0> References: <<1999Dec14.675.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Joseph, some reflections on your "mentor's" dictums. In message <1999Dec14.675.0@?>, Joseph Augusta writes >Met last night with the genius of southern Mass. stained glass--who only >works in lead came, generally on church window restorations. He gave me >some tips on his working methods---what do you guys think of these >things? > >1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. Such a piece of dogma is just that, as given in your title. It depends on what you want to achieve. Some fine detail can be achieved by copper foil in the midst of came. Of course, using "thread lead" about one eighth inch calme will produce the same level of detail. An aside - The detail or acuteness of the curves and angles possible is directly proportional to the width of the calme and whether it is flat or round (round is capable of bending further without buckling for the same width) Alternatively, you can paint the detail. >2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. There is a rude British expression for this - balls! This depends entirely on the acids in the flux. I have some reason to believe that the acids in the liquid are as strong as in the paste fluxes. But instead of using chemical fluxes, use organic fluxes - tallow is common. then you don't have the three hand juggling exercise mentioned in point 4. >3. never grout the panels--grout never dries, make your own cement >mixture-- > his recipe sounded more like gesso to me than cement It might be interesting to know of his recipe. >4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball >of solder (60/40) > with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux >onto the glass. I wouldn't say the method of picking up a ball of solder was to be sneezed at. It is a good way of ensuring that you don't get too much solder on the joint. But I would advocate a mixture of 60 lead, 40 tin. > >And many more I can't recall just now. What was interesting about the >guy is that his working method is to get the job done any way he >can--and he had no affinity for any brand of tool, or any tool at all >for that matter---he made most of the tools himself--for jigs etc. Lots of people make their own tools, sometimes being of the doofer type. (you know, "that will do fer this job"). these are often the best and cheapest tools. >One >tip for those doing restorations that you may find interesting is that >he always uses H came on the outside border--so that he can trim it away >to fit into the wooden frame. This is the most common way to make windows here. Almost no one uses U calme or zinc channel here (UK) >Also, he covers the outside of the >windows entirely with 1/8 Lexan, though he says it clouds up after a >while but doesn't affect the window when seen from the inside. Well, maybe not. I was asked to look at a church where all the windows had been given an external glazing of Lexan (which we call polycarbonate) less than 20 years ago. The lexan was now opaque from scratches, had turned green from the moulds growing in the scratches, and was pressing upon the leaded glass windows. The temporary fix for a few broken panes was probably expensive and certainly has led to a deterioration of all the windows of the church. The present perceived colour of the windows is significantly different from the original or without the lexan as it now is. > I'd suggest that you listen to the person, and apply common sense and a critical appreciation of what time might do to any application. You can still learn a lot from people that you disagree with. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 15:14:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:38:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Awbaxter@aol.com Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:31:29 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.213129.0> References: <<1999Dec16.51138.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Dec16.51138.0@?>, Awbaxter@aol.com writes >In a message dated 12/15/99 10:31:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net writes: > ><< > ......cut........ > 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball > of solder (60/40) with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux onto the glass. >Well, to each his own as to style. Why not hold the spool of solder in the other hand and melt a small amount on to the joint? One reason is to limit the amount of solder you carry to the joint. I think it is a pretty good idea. ......cut....... > >The use of Lexan is interesting..he used it on everything? Why not tempered glass, it won't cloud up? yes it becomes scratched, and in damp climates, it becomes green with mould. Secondly, there may be no immediate effects from the inside, but it is very unsightly from the outside. The Lexan deforms and provides an odd reflection to the external viewer. If you look at leaded windows from the outside, the lead matrix provides a mysterious and often pleasing abstract pattern of lines which blend with the surrounding building. If the church is one of plate glass appearance, the Lexan will blend in very well. > Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 15:16:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:37:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Joseph Augusta Subject: Re: Best dead-on colors? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:52:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.205216.0> References: <<1999Dec15.73157.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Joseph, I see you haven't had any replies on this topic yet. I'm not at all sure what you might mean by "dead-on" colours. But from the rest of your requirements it seems you might just want a glass that is dead - without movement, sparkle or any of the other imperfections that make glass such an interesting medium. Translucent colours usually result from opalescence added to the colour, so it will not transmit a "clear" unmodified colour anyway. Without texture, the glass has no life (e.g. Spectrum smooth cathedrals). If you want unblemished smooth glass the people to give it to you are Spectrum with their smooth glasses, usually cathedral. All other interesting glasses (such as Lamberts, St Just, Sunderland, Desag, and Tatra, as Casimir is called over here) have textures, striations, seeds/bubbles, and variations in thickness. These have a range of colours to die for, each having a subtle variation of tone across the sheet (except Desag which is exactly uniform in colour and thickness). Hope I don't seem too dogmatic. I don't understand the terms you have used, namely: >best translucent (does this mean clear coloured window glass, or opalescent glass?) >dead-on, (not a term that conveys much to me, being of a certain age) >solid color (does this mean a single colour throughout the sheet?) >no texture (I take this to mean smooth without markings, seeds, bubbles, or variations in thickness?) In some respects it seems you want coloured film applied to float glass, since that provides solid colour without texture (or life in my opinion) Please write back with clarifications, and I will be more serious. Honest! Steve In message <1999Dec15.73157.0@?>, Joseph Augusta writes >Who, in your opinion, has the best translucent, dead-on, solid color, >no texture glass? > >Best wishes, >Joseph > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 15:33:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:49:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Leroy J. Pittman" Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.21472.0> References: <<199912171510.AA3819372834@mailserver.trellis.net>> Precedence: bulk Help me please. This may be a translation thing, but what is double chip glass? We have chips here but not with glass, they are fried potato strips. We do have glue chip glass, is that the same? does double chip mean glue chipped on both sides? If so, Why? A devil to keep clean, I'd think. Anyway, enough speculation. Information would be appreciated. Steve In message <199912171510.AA3819372834@mailserver.trellis.net>, Leroy J. Pittman writes >What are the secrets for cutting single and double chip glass? I just cut my >first pieces and they were really "bear". Would my saw be better than my >regular pistol grip cutter? > >Any help will be appreciated. > >Desparate In North Carolina >Patricia Pittman >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 15:36:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:55:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: mailserver.trellis.net!ljpiii From: "Leroy J. Pittman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:56:22 EDT Message-ID: <199912171656.AA2718302506@mailserver.trellis.net> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all for the feedback.I am cutting on the smooth side. I have been doing glass for about a year but this is my first project with chip. The glass is not shattering but leaving really rough edges requiring a lot of grozzing. I will try a little more pressure on the cutter. Patricia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 15:50:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Delores Taylor , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: mac/pc but what about Unix Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.124552.0> References: <<1999Dec17.1336.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk The Mac G3 and 4 and iMac run Linux and it is very stable. Some of my friends have partitioned their drives and boot with MacOS on one side and Linux on the other. Delores Taylor wrote: > The next generation Mac due out after January is going to have two hard > drives in it one running dos only and the other Mac so the operating system > isn't slowed down switching back and forth. Is supposed to scream as far > as speed is concerned. > > As for PC vs Mac my husband has had 3 PC's during the last 8 years. My > Mac FX is still running like a champ and it's 10 years old. I need to > upgrade also since it's slower then I'd like but the thought of the cost of > graphics software and a new computer makes me ponder how important speed. > When I'm waiting it is an annoyance so next year may be the year. > > Does anyone know about Unix machines and graphic software available for it? > Are they cost equivilent? It seems I saw an ad for Silcon Graphics doing > the lower end machine but not sure how this company is doing or how their > product is. Vaguely remember the computer was $3000.00 without the flat > moniter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie Bartel [mailto:BLUEHERON@etinternet.net] > > I had forgotten about soft PC. Have you had any experience with it? > Wasn't there a couple of products on the market that did this function? > Have you tried any of the graphical programs with it? > Connie > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 15:55:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:48:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Nonglass - Back from NY Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:47:38 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi all, Well we made it back from New York! I enjoyed all the glass I could considering I was only there for 4days. Stuben definately had some nice stuff but Heller had me drooling with envy! I saw a couple Chihuly pieces but Lino Tagliapietra's were awesome!! I want one!!! Managed to get in a Broadway show (Miss Siagon) and a Christmas function. Both were Wonderful! I did laugh to myself one evening when I heard a live performance (from my room) of Silent Night,..throughout the whole song all you heard was horns honking! I tell you I don't think I could live there but it's great fun to visit a bit. Tomorrow I will be leaving to Maui. We'll be there over Christmas and Y2K! Hope I get back,...well not really!! :^) Happy holidays to all of you!! -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 16:10:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:10:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: nesbeonline.com!rcollin1 From: Bob Collins To: "Leroy J. Pittman" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.13910.0> References: <<199912171510.AA3819372834@mailserver.trellis.net>> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk What side of glass are you cutting it on? I always reverse chip and baroque and some other glass when cutting. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 16:55:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:29:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Steve Richard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:23:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.142329.0> References: <<1999Dec17.21472.0>> Precedence: bulk Steve, >From what I know, all double chip *means* is that the glass was subjected to the process, TWICE. If you know how glue chip is made, you can understand why there is a distinguishable look between the 'single' and 'double' glue chip glass. Hide glue is spread on the glass and allowed to dry. As the glue dries, it shrinks. As the glue shrinks, it 'pulls' chips out of the glass. Do this once and it's 'single chip', do it twice and it's 'double chip'. I could be wrong, but I think I'm pretty much correct about this process. Tom From: Steve Richard : Help me please. : This may be a translation thing, but what is double chip glass? : We have chips here but not with glass, they are fried potato strips. We : do have glue chip glass, is that the same? does double chip mean glue : chipped on both sides? : : If so, Why? : A devil to keep clean, I'd think. : : Anyway, enough speculation. Information would be appreciated. : : Steve : : In message <199912171510.AA3819372834@mailserver.trellis.net>, Leroy J. : Pittman writes : >What are the secrets for cutting single and double chip glass? I just cut my : >first pieces and they were really "bear". Would my saw be better than my : >regular pistol grip cutter? : > : >Any help will be appreciated. : > : >Desparate In North Carolina : >Patricia Pittman ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 17:21:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:11:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:10:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.8103.0> References: <<1999Dec17.21472.0>> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk after applying all the pressure you are physically able to exert and the "chip" still breaks badly, TRY a VERY light touch.............When in doubt (poor score) try less pressure! chip is just cheap window that the surface has been lightly sand-blasted, and that horse-hide type glue has been applied to the blasted surface while wet (glue). as the glue dries it pulls the surface off the glass off and leaves a "jack frost" (who ever that is) surface. does not do too well for lamps, however! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 17:39:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:43:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Glenna Rand" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass - Back from NY Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:38:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.143832.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Glenna, Tell us about the foods you ate in *New York City!* Glad you had fun and, "made it out alive." hahaha!!!!! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenna Rand : Hi all, : : Well we made it back from New York! I enjoyed all the glass I could : considering I was only there for 4days. Stuben definately had some nice : stuff but Heller had me drooling with envy! I saw a couple Chihuly pieces : but Lino Tagliapietra's were awesome!! I want one!!! : Managed to get in a Broadway show (Miss Siagon) and a Christmas function. : Both were Wonderful! : I did laugh to myself one evening when I heard a live performance (from : my room) of Silent Night,..throughout the whole song all you heard was : horns honking! : I tell you I don't think I could live there but it's great fun to : visit a bit. : : Tomorrow I will be leaving to Maui. We'll be there over Christmas and : Y2K! Hope I get back,...well not really!! : :^) : : Happy holidays to all of you!! : : : -- : Glenna Rand : gjr@bungi.com : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 18:02:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:47:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: An absolute beginner-- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:08:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.1489.0> Precedence: bulk Spectrum's Score arrived today with a pretty funny piece in its Gallery Cards section on a guy who's done well because he was self-taught---when you think about it you must remember that this person had an absolute beginner as a teacher--not something most people would recommend! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 18:26:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:38:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: earthlink.net!glasscutter From: Gerry Phibbs To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 04:29:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.4299.0> References: <<1999Dec16.203759.0>> Organization: International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc Precedence: bulk Hi Laura (HiimLaura@aol.com), I really like my Sony Mavica FD-91, but it cost me about a $1000, add in another $100 or so for case and accessory filters. It puts the images down on PC formatted 3 1/2" floppy disks, at various file sizes, and does very nice close up work. I opted for the Sony for a couple of reasons. First, Sony is the only one that puts the images on floppy disks (since they invented that floppy drive, they're the only one incorporating it into their cameras). Secondly, I opted for the higher end camera, because of it's close up ability (14X zoom lens), which does allow for good close up work of smallish items. Third, simplicity. I don't need any other peripheral device to hook into my system! Don't want no memory stick docking stations, nor serial hook ups, just shove in a disk and go to town! I run a Mac, and while the disks are formatted for PC's, Power Mac's can read that disk just fine. I like it very well, it's got enough resolution for high end printing, and I can reformat the disks, which allows me to reuse the same disks over and over, cutting costs, and keeping things a bit simpler. The image quality is good, the physical size of the images are huge, but only at 72 dpi. But, when you scale them down, you get the benefit of all of those pixels, if you should need them. Coupled with PhotoShop, I believe this Mavica FD-91 and a personal computer, can produce excellent results, with minimal hassles. The MPEG movie concept is interesting and fun to play around with, but I don't use it that much. Opt for the best model you can afford, and I think you'll be better served. I have a friend who got a far less expensive camera, and she has fits getting the images into her computer, trying to pony up the costs for those memory sticks, and she doesn't get that good a resulting image! Of course, she's envious of my Mavica, and wishes she'd spent the money for the better camera, because it would carve hours off her time to produce her image files. Just one fellow's perspective. Peace -Gerry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 21:42:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:07:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: An absolute beginner-- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:06:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.15648.0> References: <<1999Dec17.1489.0>> Precedence: bulk Well, Joseph. You sure are good at stirrin' *me* up. The *artist* that you are referring to has more talent in his little finger than I will *ever* hope to attain regardless of *who* were to try to teach me. *Some* people have a natural ability that is mind blowing. I have had the pleasure to meet the *gentleman* that you refer to and the pleasure of seeing some of his work in person. Both the person and his work are impressive. He has not done well because he was self taught. He has done well because he produces amazingly beautiful artwork. All your post proves to me is that teachers are over rated. Suzanne Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Spectrum's Score arrived today with a pretty funny piece in its Gallery > Cards section on a guy who's done well because he was self-taught---when > you think about it you must remember that this person had an absolute > beginner as a teacher--not something most people would recommend! > > Best wishes, > Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 21:49:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:43:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Gerry Phibbs" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.173922.0> References: <<1999Dec17.4299.0>> Precedence: bulk Laura, See? I told you people just "Love My Sony"! ;) I guarantee you won't be sorry you ever got a Sony Mavica digital camera. And they hold their value, check eBay and you will see what I mean. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerry Phibbs To: Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? : Hi Laura (HiimLaura@aol.com), : I really like my Sony Mavica FD-91, but it cost me about a $1000, add : in another $100 or so for case and accessory filters. It puts the : images down on PC formatted 3 1/2" floppy disks, at various file sizes, : and does very nice close up work. : I opted for the Sony for a couple of reasons. First, Sony is the only : one that puts the images on floppy disks (since they invented that : floppy drive, they're the only one incorporating it into their : cameras). Secondly, I opted for the higher end camera, because of it's : close up ability (14X zoom lens), which does allow for good close up : work of smallish items. : Third, simplicity. I don't need any other peripheral device to hook : into my system! Don't want no memory stick docking stations, nor serial : hook ups, just shove in a disk and go to town! I run a Mac, and while : the disks are formatted for PC's, Power Mac's can read that disk just : fine. : I like it very well, it's got enough resolution for high end printing, : and I can reformat the disks, which allows me to reuse the same disks : over and over, cutting costs, and keeping things a bit simpler. The : image quality is good, the physical size of the images are huge, but : only at 72 dpi. But, when you scale them down, you get the benefit of : all of those pixels, if you should need them. : Coupled with PhotoShop, I believe this Mavica FD-91 and a personal : computer, can produce excellent results, with minimal hassles. The MPEG : movie concept is interesting and fun to play around with, but I don't : use it that much. : Opt for the best model you can afford, and I think you'll be better : served. I have a friend who got a far less expensive camera, and she : has fits getting the images into her computer, trying to pony up the : costs for those memory sticks, and she doesn't get that good a resulting : image! Of course, she's envious of my Mavica, and wishes she'd spent : the money for the better camera, because it would carve hours off her : time to produce her image files. : Just one fellow's perspective. : Peace -Gerry : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 21:57:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:23:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: Digital Camera Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:21:25 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec18.32125.0> Precedence: bulk I just wanted to thank everyone who has sent helpful advice about digital cameras! It is a hard decision and I still have some research to do before I buy one. I should have also mentioned that I will rarely be printing out prints - it's just for PC & web use. Does this change a lot of options? Thanks - you are a great bunch of bungians! Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 22:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Howard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.17510.0> References: <<1999Dec17.8103.0>> Precedence: bulk And, gluechip glass is far too commonly used by discounters such as Home Depot and others for their idea of a 'classy' glass. Their idea is not my idea and I would venture to say that those of us who 'do glass' get really tired of seeing the all too common 'glue chip' glass be it single or double. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Chip Glass : after applying all the pressure you are physically able to exert and the : "chip" still breaks badly, TRY a VERY light touch.............When in doubt : (poor score) try less pressure! : : chip is just cheap window that the surface has been lightly sand-blasted, : and that horse-hide type glue has been applied to the blasted surface while : wet (glue). : as the glue dries it pulls the surface off the glass off and leaves a "jack : frost" (who ever that is) surface. : : does not do too well for lamps, however! : enjoy, H : : : weaver51@teleport.com : Elaine and Howard : best lamps on the "net": : http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 22:11:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:00:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: An absolute beginner-- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.19523.0> References: <<1999Dec17.1489.0>> Precedence: bulk > you think about it you must remember that this person had an absolute > beginner as a teacher--not something most people would recommend! > That's true, but Bob Oddy has extraordinary talent, I mean really extra ordinary. And I do believe that he knows how to do his research. If you have never seen his work in person, make a valiant effort the next time it is on display. It is awe inspiring as well as just plain inspiring. I could have all the finest teachers in the world and never even come close to his talent. His works do inspire me to not take the easy way out on any design, and for that alone I would admire him. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 22:13:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:13:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:08:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.1287.0> Precedence: bulk >>Of course, she's envious of my Mavica, and wishes she'd spent >>the money for the better camera, because it would carve >>hours off her time to produce her image files. I have been known to take a pic of work in my kiln, download it into the computer and send it to FL in something like five minutes. This includes cropping, resizing and framing. In another ten minutes I can produce a print for my portfolio in just about any size I desire. Whenever I install a window in a computer literate house I always send a pic back to the client. They love them and report sending them on to the in-laws, etc. Nice thank you tool. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 22:17:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:38:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Tom" , glass Subject: Re: Nonglass - Back from NY Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:37:35 PST Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Nonglass - Back from NY" on Dec 17, 19:38, "Tom" writes:] > > Tell us about the foods you ate in *New York City!* Glad you had fun > and, "made it out alive." hahaha!!!!! > I ate at two good Italian resturants. (Bice and itnello) Those definately were the hilights. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 22:22:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:52:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: bungi.com!gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna) To: glass@bungi.com (The Bungis) Subject: Have a Rockin Christmas - from Glenna Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:50:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk You have just received an animated greeting card from Glenna You'll see the personal greeting by using the following Web location. http://www1.bluemountain.com/cards/box5359m/ers4frpbbubzgu.htm (Your greeting card will be available for the next 90 days) There is no charge for this service! :) HAVE a good day and have fun! ____________________________________________________________ Accessing your card indicates your agreement with our Website Rules posted at the bottom of the following Web location: (You're welcome to send a card at no charge to someone at this location) http://www.bluemountain.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 22:42:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:17:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:14:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.201459.0> References: <<1999Dec18.32125.0>> Precedence: bulk Laura, The Sony Mavica does a wonderful job for PC and web use. It's been written that at least the older Sony's like I own, the FD-7 model, are *made for* the PC and web. ;) Funny you should mention that! The Sony Mavica FD-73 might be the one for your purposes, maybe there is even a new model in the ...7x.. series lineup. Don't even look at the FD-5 models, they never did much more than tease you to upgrade to other models of Sony. Tom : I just wanted to thank everyone who has sent helpful advice about digital : cameras! It is a hard decision and I still have some research to do before I : buy one. I should have also mentioned that I will rarely be printing out : prints - it's just for PC & web use. Does this change a lot of options? : : Thanks - you are a great bunch of bungians! : : Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 23:10:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:52:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:47:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.14476.0> Precedence: bulk >>I should have also mentioned that I will rarely be printing >>out prints - it's just for PC & web use. Does this change a >>lot of options? Sure does. Just about any low end digital camera will produce excellent images for a computer screen. 72 dpi (dots per inch) is fine. For printing, 200 dpi is needed. More than this is necessary for high end work only. Cameras that take high dpi pictures are useful for making large images which are rarely necessary for anything to be displayed on a computer screen. If you really want to save money while you learn get one of the reconditioned Kodak monitor cams for about $80.00. Saves buying a $50.00 tripod for an expensive hand held camera. Use the money you save to buy glass. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 17 23:38:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:23:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Artist Art Dilucente Selling Overstock Inventory Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec17.145631.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk There is approximately 1288 pieces of various types of glass that Art Dilucente would like to liquidate. The url is: http://home.earthlink.net/~vlob1/Art3.html You can email Victor Lob at mailto:vlob1@earthlink.net for more info on what is available and pricing. Glass is stored near Buffalo, NY. See ya Pam -- Ms. Pamela Burns-Tappan Executive Director The Stained Glass Artists http://www.stainedglassartists.com A Division of: Moswood Mountain Ltd. http://www.moswoodmountainltd.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 00:41:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:16:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!shhte From: To: gvgvg67@aol.com Subject: Go Anywhere !!! Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:16:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk INTERNATIONAL DRIVER'S LICENSE Need a new driver's license? Too many points or other trouble? Want a license that can never be suspended or revoked? Want ID for nightclubs or hotel check-in? Avoid tickets, fines, and mandatory driver's education. 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CALL NOW!!! 1-937-586-9313 rem- plo99@angelfire.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 04:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 04:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Glenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:42:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.2422.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Glenna wrote: > You have just received an animated greeting card from Glenna > You'll see the personal greeting by using the following Web location. Glenna--There were virus warnings on several news programs last nite about these things--the message was that many, many nuts are on the net placing viruses in all kinds of places--including greeting cards! The advice of the computer people was to not open any attachment, or any electronic card, since you may get a virus the sender may inadvertently send inside their card. Most of these viruses are date sensitive, so nothing happens when the card or .exe file is opened --but will usually kick in 12/25 or 1/1/2000. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 05:10:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 04:44:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: I'm going too Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:49:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.34949.0> Precedence: bulk I'm off for NYC until Christmas Eve or the day before, and I won't have a computer or email until I get back. NYC won't kill me, that will. Have a lovely Christmas! "God bless us Everyone!" Take care, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 07:03:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:34:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_0.299b0ad9.258cf558_boundary" Subject: Fwd: the moon if I already sendt this over, please forgive me. It Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:34:00 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec18.14340.0> Precedence: bulk --part1_0.299b0ad9.258cf558_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/18/1999 9:12:50 AM EST, Shinesunn11 writes: > > December 22, 1999 and the Moon. > Everyone should mark their calendars. It will be the Last Lunar > Harrah of the Millennium. > This year will be the first full moon to occur on the winter > solstice, December 22, commonly called the First Day of Winter, in > 133 years. > Since the full moon on the winter solstice will occur in conjunction > with a lunar perigee, the point in the moon's orbit that is closest > to Earth, the moon will appear about 14 per cent larger than it does > at apogee, the point in its elliptical orbit that is farthest fromthe > Earth. > The Earth is also several million miles closer to the sun than inthe > summer, and sunlight striking the moon will be about 7 per centstronger > making it brighter. Also, this will be the closest perigee of the Moon of > the year,since the moon's orbit is constantly deforming. In layman's terms, > it will be a super bright full moon, much morethan the usual AND it hasn't > happened this way for 133 years. > > > > If the weather is clear and there isn't a snow cover where you > > > > live, it is believed that even car headlights will be superfluous. > > > > Our ancestors 133 years ago saw this. Our descendants 100 or so years > > > > from now will see this again. > > > > Remember, this will happen December 22, 1999. --part1_0.299b0ad9.258cf558_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Shinesunn11@aol.com From: Shinesunn11@aol.com Full-name: Shinesunn11 Message-ID: <0.24650429.258cf062@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:12:50 EST Subject: the moon To: MATRONA@aol.com, Buckwet250@aol.com, Jdarmstr@earthLink.net, RayRay@hotmail.com, Nahli@aol.com, CJSparky@webtv.Net, MidwayCV41@aol.com, Dragoncraft1@aol.com, Thopeful12@aol.com, GolfBum908@aol.com, IBANG2@aol.com, NANARORO1957@aol.com, Mboggs123@aol.com, Kfcurt1@aol.com, Mama3tikes@aol.com, Poohlaa@aol.com, MunchyGod@aol.com, Rwal7676@aol.com, Skf41@aol.com, Dazedx4@aol.com, HISHEADAKE@aol.com, SweetEinsc@aol.com, Cassey5328@aol.com, SuthrnMan4@aol.com, MsKoala925@aol.com, PMarti502@aol.com, MSBud35F@aol.com, Magikrydr@aol.com, FotoBoxer@aol.com, Bambinie@aol.com, Jamie8377@aol.com, Jena625@aol.com, JORDI829@aol.com, KawVllyGirl@aol.com, Kaydaiz@aol.com, OhPuterMan@aol.com, Grace.Ellen@Eudoramail.com, LadyWill4u@aol.com, LEAH8966@aol.com, LOONEYDANF@aol.com, DBNASH416@aol.com, Twitiburd1@aol.com, Mollyj8232@aol.com, Bleubrd3@aol.com, NiNi0855@aol.com, Quch1@aol.com, Reblas46@aol.com, Swt27cwgrl@aol.com, Geisha11Komono@aol.com, LTaylor5@aol.com, Summer7269@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 54 December 22, 1999 and the Moon. Everyone should mark their calendars. It will be the Last Lunar Harrah of the Millennium. This year will be the first full moon to occur on the winter solstice, December 22, commonly called the First Day of Winter, in 133 years. Since the full moon on the winter solstice will occur in conjunction with a lunar perigee, the point in the moon's orbit that is closest to Earth, the moon will appear about 14 per cent larger than it does at apogee, the point in its elliptical orbit that is farthest fromthe Earth. The Earth is also several million miles closer to the sun than inthe summer, and sunlight striking the moon will be about 7 per centstronger making it brighter. Also, this will be the closest perigee of the Moon of the year,since the moon's orbit is constantly deforming. In layman's terms, it will be a super bright full moon, much morethan the usual AND it hasn't happened this way for 133 years. > > If the weather is clear and there isn't a snow cover where you > > live, it is believed that even car headlights will be superfluous. > > Our ancestors 133 years ago saw this. Our descendants 100 or so years > > from now will see this again. > > Remember, this will happen December 22, 1999. --part1_0.299b0ad9.258cf558_boundary-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 07:33:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:00:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199912181502.KAA14517@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Glenna--There were virus warnings on several news programs last nite > about these things--the message was that many, many nuts are on the > net placing viruses in all kinds of places--including greeting > cards! It's good advice to not open an attachment from someone you don't know ... but we all know Glenna, don't we? First the Big Apple, now Hawaii. Geez, I don't know. Sounds like some sort of capitalist success story to me. Joseph, I was unable to find anything about the virus you mentioned on any of the major news sites ... or virus alert sites. You might check out http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/hoax.html for their hoax catalog, some of which are very funny. It's always best, Joseph, to check the sources on viruses before sounding any sort of alarm, since rampant email warning about non-existent viruses are in themselves a *kind of virus. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 08:34:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:01:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: mediaone.net!izzy3 From: Michael Smoucha To: HiimLaura@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:00:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.4010.0> References: <<1999Dec16.203759.0>> Precedence: bulk HiimLaura@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? > I am looking for: > Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better > Macro capabilities for close-ups > PC compatable > > thanks > > Laura I realy like the sony mavica because it uses 3.25 floppies for film. It's great to be able to carry a pocket full of floppies to whatever and be limited only by your battery charge and not tied to downloading photos from a flash card before you can shoot again. I have been able to shoot off 4 floppies each holding 35 to 45 photos on one charged battery. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 09:34:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:04:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:03:19 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec18.17319.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/17/99 6:37:08 PM, ljpiii@mailserver.trellis.net writes: >The glass is not shattering but leaving really rough edges requiring a >lot of grozzing. > >I will try a little more pressure on the cutter. You might also try a little less. Some glass is sensitive to scoring too hard. Another thought: Is your work area cold? Glass cuts infinitely better when it's warm. We've got an oil-filed space heater (the kind that looks like a radiator) in the shop, and it's great for warming up your glass before you cut. I've also used a plain old heating pad (the kind you can get at any drug store). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 09:36:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:05:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: An absolute beginner-- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:04:26 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec18.17426.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/18/99 12:43:05 AM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes: >Joseph Augusta wrote: >> >> Spectrum's Score arrived today with a pretty funny piece in its Gallery >> Cards section on a guy who's done well because he was self-taught---when >> you think about it you must remember that this person had an absolute >> beginner as a teacher--not something most people would recommend! > >He has not done well because he was self taught. He has done well >because he produces amazingly beautiful artwork. Ironically, he may indeed have done well in part precisely because he is self-taught. With no one to feed him preconceptions that this or that technique is difficult or "impossible," too advanced for his skill level, or whatever, he was able to go ahead and do what he saw in his mind's eye. There are lots of folks in this world whose learning processes are so internal and subconscious that they seem odd or even magic to an outside observer. Or their "internal logic" doesn't run along the expected lines - the y "process the process itself" differently. People who have those learning and working styles tend to do well by teaching themselves - often far better than when they're taught by someone else, because the teacher's logic confuses them, or the teacher's process is running at the wrong pace for them ("too slow" is every bit as problematic as "too fast"!). As one of those oddly-wired people (for instance, most right-handed people "put the shirt on the hanger"; I "put the hanger in the shirt" - and as a result, all the clothes in my closet are hanging "backwards" - facing right instead of left...... I also thread needles not by putting the end of the thread through the eye of the needle, but by slipping the eye of the needle over the end of the thread. Wotthehell, it works for me!), I don't learn well by "being taught." I learn best by jumping in and *doing* the real thing right off the bat, getting my hands on things and observing and absorbing the way things are done with an absolute minimum of explanation, having the freedom to develop ways of working that make sense to the way my mind/body logic works and enable me to get the job done - and after all, it's the result that counts! Sparks doing the impossible for 46 1/2 years - it's the easy stuff that kills me..... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 09:52:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:06:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Skanky lead, was Re: SG dogma-- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:03:07 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec18.1737.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/17/99 5:51:40 PM, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk writes: >>2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. > There is a rude British expression for this - balls! >This depends entirely on the acids in the flux. I have some reason to >believe that the acids in the liquid are as strong as in the paste >fluxes. But instead of using chemical fluxes, use organic fluxes - >tallow is common. then you don't have the three hand juggling exercise >mentioned in point 4. Lately we've been slogging through a box of the grungiest, cruddiest, skankiest lead in God's universe. Cleaning the stuff has been impossible - even if you take a razor knife and scrape the spots you're going to solder, they seem to crud up again almost immediately. (Turning up the iron and trying to "burn" through the crud, which almost always works for me, was a total bust too - if anything, it made matters worse.) I finally got some decent looking joints by scraping one, fluxing it *immediately* with Nokorode paste flux, and using 60/40 solder and an iron that's just hot enough to thoroughly melt the solder. (Needless to say, the day we see the end of that case of lead, I think I'm going to bust out crying from sheer relief!) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 09:53:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:06:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Nonglass - Back from NY Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:04:35 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec18.17435.0> Precedence: bulk Also sprach thomm@vnet.net: >Glad you had fun >and, "made it out alive." hahaha!!!!! > >Tom Just remember, on any given day, something like 99.9999% of the people in NYC *don't* get killed! I take those for pretty decent odds.......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 10:06:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:47:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-From Santa-My New Contract Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.1132.0> Organization: MM Ltd. Precedence: bulk Santa's New Contract > > I regret to inform you that, effective immediately, I will no longer be > able to serve Southern United States on Christmas Eve. Due to the > overwhelming current population of the earth, my contract was renegotiated > by North American Fairies and Elves Local 209. I now serve only certain > areas of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan. As part of the > new and better contract I also get longer breaks for milk and cookies, so > keep that in mind. However, I'm certain your children will be in good > hands with your local replacement who happens to be my third cousin, > Bubba Claus. His side of the family is from the South Pole. He shares my > goal of delivering toys to all the good boys and girls; however, there are > a few differences between us, such as: > > 1. There is no danger of a Grinch stealing your presents from Bubba Claus. > He has a gun rack on his sleigh and a bumper sticker that reads: "These > toys insured by Smith and Wesson." > > 2. Instead of milk and cookies, Bubba Claus prefers that children leave an > RC cola and pork rinds [or a moon pie] on the fireplace. And Bubba doesn't > smoke a pipe. He dips a little snuff though, so please have an empty spit > cup handy. > > 3. Bubba Claus' sleigh is pulled by floppy-eared, flyin' coon dogs instead > of reindeer. I made the mistake of loaning him a couple of my reindeer one > time, and Blitzen's head now overlooks Bubba's fireplace. > > 4. You won't hear "On Comet, on Cupid, on Donner and Blitzen ..." when > Bubba Claus arrives. Instead, you'll hear, "On Earnhardt, on Wallace, on > Martin and Labonte. On Rudd, on Jarrett, on Elliott and Petty." > > 5. "Ho, ho, ho!" has been replaced by "Yee Haw!" And you also are likely > to hear Bubba's elves respond, "I her'd dat!" > > 6. As required by Southern highway laws, Bubba Claus' sleigh does have a > Yosemite Sam mudflaps on the back with the words "Back off" The last I > heard it also had other decorations on the sleigh back as well. One is a > Ford or Chevy logo with lights that race through the letters and the other > is a caricature of me (Santa Claus) going wee wee on the Tooth Fairy. > > 7. The usual Christmas movie classics such as "Miracle on 34th Street" and > "It's a Wonderful Life" will not be shown in your negotiated viewing > area. Instead, you'll see "Boss Hogg Saves Christmas" and "Smokey and the > Bandit IV" featuring Burt Reynolds as Bubba Claus and dozens of state > patrol cars crashing into each other. > > 8. Bubba Claus doesn't wear a belt. If I were you, I'd make sure you, the > wife, and the kids turn the other way when he bends over to put presents > under the tree. > > 9. Under my system, naughty children received a lump of coal as a > Christmas gift; However, Bubba Claus is likely to deliver something called > "A Can of Whup-Ass" > > 10. And finally, lovely Christmas songs have been sung about me like > "Rudolph The Red-nosed Reindeer" and Bing Crosby's "Santa Claus Is Coming > to Town." This year songs about Bubba Claus will be played on all the > radio stations in the South. Those song titles will be Mark Chesnutt's > "Bubba The Red-Neck Reindeer" and"Grandma Got Run'd Over by a Reindeer." > > Sincerely yours, > Santa Claus > (member of North American Fairies and Elves Local 209) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 10:34:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:24:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:19:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.81929.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Albert Lewis" > Baloney. Glass is absolutely *not too heavy. He just doesn't know how = to use it, is all. Glass is the material of choice for experienced = studios doing restoration, whether a fully leaded version (the = classic approach) or not. I would take everything this guy says with = more than a grain of salt. A tablespoonful? < Amen, Amen and Amen!! < I can't remember the last time I groaned so much in one day! Not even yesterday driving home from North Dakota!> Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 10:35:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:26:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SG dogma-- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.81915.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta > 1. never mix came and foil on the same panel. 2. never use paste flux on came--always use liquid flux. 3. never grout the panels--grout never dries, make your own cement mixture-- his recipe sounded more like gesso to me than cement 4. soldering joints--place a drop of flux on the joint, pick up a ball of solder (60/40) with the iron, and lay it on the joint--try not to spread the flux onto the glass. < We do mix lead and copperfoil and the effect is quite attractive with the appropriate design. We always use paste flux on lead. Our cement recipe follows... this is an archival recipe that does not contain the damaging ingredients of Plaster of Paris or Portland cement: 6 parts whiting 1 part boiled linseed oil 2 parts mineral spirits 1/8 - 1/4 part lamp black We never recommend using Lexan to a client... way to expensive for the incredible deterioration over a short period of time. Nothing like yellowed, bubbled, scratched glazing on the outside of your lovely church... very attractive. ;-( One word of caution... just because somebody = has done something for unpteeen years doesn't mean they're doing it right.... especially in the area of conservation, practices are pretty uninformed and downright slipshod. Unless an artisan makes it a point to constantly study and become really informed.... history AND new developments... the chances of utilizing disastrous practices is really high. Talk to 20 "masters" first.... then check conservation information.... then use your own judgment to determine what is correct. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 12:05:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:34:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: [virus alert!], virus help Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.9306.0> References: <<1999Dec18.2422.0>> Precedence: bulk Norton's virus scanner has a free 30 day trial deal that will get you through the Y2K time. http://www.symantecstore.com/Pages/TBYB/nav2k.html Kris > > Glenna--There were virus warnings on several news programs last nite about these > things--the message was that many, many nuts are on the net placing viruses in > all kinds of places--including greeting cards! The advice of the computer people > was to not open any attachment, or any electronic card, since you may get a virus > the sender may inadvertently send inside their card. Most of these viruses are > date sensitive, so nothing happens when the card or .exe file is opened --but > will usually kick in 12/25 or 1/1/2000. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 13:08:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:44:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: [virus alert!], virus help Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:41:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199912182042.PAA16850@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Norton's virus scanner has a free 30 day trial deal that will get > you through the Y2K time. > http://www.symantecstore.com/Pages/TBYB/nav2k.html Good suggestion, Kris. I spent about $70 a year or so ago on Norton Utilities, which *includes the Virus Scanner, but gives you so much more. Any time a *real virus shows up in the online world, Norton sends its registered users an email notice that a *real one's been detected. They give you a link to their site where the update to the Virus Scan resides, it installs itself automatically in seconds, and you're back to work. Sure, try it, like Kris suggests. Then BUY IT! (You'll sleep easier at night, believe me.) Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 13:10:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:54:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: SG dogma-- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:52:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.105217.0> References: <<1999Dec18.81929.0>> Precedence: bulk NORTH DAKOTA? What are you doing "all the way up there," Dani? Tom - in warm NC (hey, compared to NORTH DAKOTA, it is!) hehe... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dani Greer To: Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: Re: SG dogma-- : Message text written by "Albert Lewis" : > : Baloney. Glass is absolutely *not too heavy. He just doesn't know how = : : to use it, is all. Glass is the material of choice for experienced = : : studios doing restoration, whether a fully leaded version (the = : : classic approach) or not. I would take everything this guy says with = : : more than a grain of salt. A tablespoonful? : < : : Amen, Amen and Amen!! < I can't remember the last : time I groaned so much in one day! Not even yesterday : driving home from North Dakota!> : : Best, : : Dani Greer : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 13:23:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:56:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Nonglass - Back from NY Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:54:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.10541.0> References: <<1999Dec18.17435.0>> Precedence: bulk : Also sprach thomm@vnet.net: : >Glad you had fun : >and, "made it out alive." hahaha!!!!! : > : >Tom : Just remember, on any given day, something like 99.9999% of the people in NYC : *don't* get killed! I take those for pretty decent odds.......... : Sparks What does that work out to in numbers for the population? *Sutherin'r's* I know really want to know. Honest, they do! ;) Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 13:38:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Tom" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Wasted Wishes Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:01:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.11149.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BF4971.314809C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Three Wishes Wasted - Rated G There were three men stranded on an island. They had been there for a very long time, when one morning a magic lamp washed up on the shore. The men saw it and picked it up. The men rubbed the lamp and a genie appeared. After the genie rose up he granted the men one wish each. The first man thought about his wish and made it count. After thinking, the man finally said, "I wish I was back at home." Then, poof, he disappeared. The second man thought about his wish also. Finally, the man said, "I wish I was at home with my family." Then, poof, he vanished. The last wish went to the last man on the island. He looked around and felt very lonely. It took a while to think of a good wish and finally an idea came to him. The third man said, "I wish that my two best friends were back on this island with me." Poof, the two other men appeared on the island again. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BF4971.314809C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BF4971.314809C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 14:44:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:07:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:53:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.115319.0> References: <<199912181502.KAA14517@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: It's always best, Joseph, to check the sources on viruses before sounding any sort of alarm, since rampant email warning about non-existent viruses are in themselves a *kind of virus. > The TV program warning of the new crop of viruses was on a Sixty Minutes type show--as well as on New England Cable News (NECN). The point was that we should be careful with .exe files this holiday season--especially because of the millenium--Each of us can choose whether to heed the warnings or ignore them-- My post wasn't directed at Glenna--one point the program raised was that an individual may be sending along a file containing a virus without knowing it since ithe virus may be keyed to open at a later date. I know that other listees feel as you do----here's another post I received this afternoon: "You are getting to be a pain in the ass. Perhaps you could give a bit more thought to your posts." Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 16:38:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:26:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Joseph Augusta" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:19:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.141954.0> References: <<1999Dec18.115319.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph, I saw this issue on CBS with Dan Rather on the 'Evening News'. The virus they keyed in on was called "pics4u.exe". The letter 'u' might have been spelled 'you' or 'You', but what's the difference, it was still a *time bomb* virus. The computer person was from "Computer Associates" which I believe is a 24-hour watchdog of a company (possibly with Symantec.com, makers of Norton Antivirus?) and he demonstrated what happened with this "pics4u.exe" program was clicked or double clicked on. The result was *nothing*. HOWEVER, when the computers internal clock/calendar was reset and 'applied' to January 1, 2000, and the "pics4u.exe" attachment/program was clicked or double clicked on, the SCREEN WENT BLANK. The hard drive was WIPED OUT. Dan Rather asked something like, "What happened? Did the hard drive's files go away? Did the virus clean out the hard drive?" The technician answered: "As clean as it was when it was new!" Ignore those that post nasty stuff to you, this IS an important issue. You and I have both sounded the alarm, Joseph. What goes on with *their* computers is *their* decision now. Thanks for the "heads up!" Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Augusta Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] : Albert Lewis wrote: : It's always best, Joseph, to check the sources on viruses before sounding : any sort of alarm, since rampant email warning about non-existent viruses : are in themselves a *kind of virus. : : > : : The TV program warning of the new crop of viruses was on a Sixty Minutes : type show--......snipped.......... : I know that other listees feel as you do----here's another post I received : this afternoon: : "You are getting to be a pain in the ass. Perhaps you could give a bit : more : thought to your posts." : : Best wishes, : Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 17:39:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:12:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: "The Night Before Y2K" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.15449.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BF4993.236C8D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "The Night Before Y2K" 'Twas the night before Y2k And all through the nation, We awaited the Bug The Millennium sensation. The chips were replaced In computers with care, In hopes that the Bugsy Wouldn't stop there. While some folks could think They were snug in their beds, Others had visions Of dread in their heads. And Ma with her PC And I with my Mac, Had just logged on the Net And kicked back with a snack. When over the server There arose such a clatter, I called Mister Gates To see what was the matter. But he was away So I flew like a flash, Off to my bank To withdraw all my cash. When what with my wandering eyes Should I see? My good old Mac Looked sick to me! The hack of all hackers Was looking so smug, I knew that it must be The Y2K Bug! His image downloaded In no time at all, He whistled and shouted Let all systems fall! Go Intel! Go Gateway! Now HP! Big Blue! Everything Compaq, And Pentium too! All processors big All processors small, Crash away! Crash away! Crash away all! All of the controls The planes need for flight, All buses and trains And all traffic lights! As I drew in my breath And was turning around, Out through the modem He came with a bound. He was covered with fur And slung on his back, Was a sackful of virus Set for attack. His eyes-how they twinkled! His dimples-how merry! As midnight approached, though Things soon became scary. He had a broad little face And a round little belly, And his sack filled with virus It quivered like jelly. He was chubby and plump Perpetually grinning, And I laughed when I saw him Though my hard drive stopped spinning. A wink of his eye And a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know A new feeling of dread. He spoke not a word But went straight to his work, He changed all the clocks Then turned with a jerk. With a twitch of his nose And a quick little wink, All things electronic Soon went on the blink. He zoomed from my system To the next folks on line, He caused such a disruption Could this be a sign? Then I heard him exclaim With a loud, hearty cry, Happy Y2K to all Kiss your PCs good-bye! ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BF4993.236C8D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BF4993.236C8D40-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 18:09:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:41:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!chitchay From: "Shay Friel" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Glass in Wales Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.152649.0> Precedence: bulk I am a lurker who occasionally comes out of hiding. I have the opportunity to spend Christmas and the New Year in Llandow , Wales. Is anyone familiar with any glass over there. I will also be spending 3 days in London between the holidays. I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a very happy New Year. Shay Friel Altamonte Springs, Fl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 18:37:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:26:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "The Night Before Y2K" Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:25:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Dec18.162513.0> References: <<1999Dec18.15449.0>> Precedence: bulk Please folks, remember your netiquette and post to email lists in PLAIN TEXT only. Fancy formatting comes through as gibberish to many mail readers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 19:19:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:06:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: text Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:05:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.17519.0> Precedence: bulk This should be plain text. I hope. Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 19:39:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:12:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: ..before Christmas...Net Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:11:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.171149.0> Precedence: bulk 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the Net, There were hacker's a surfing. Nerds? Yeah, you bet. The e-mails were stacked by the modem with care, In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there. The newbies were nestled all snug by their screens, While visions of Java danced in their dreams. My wife on the sofa and me with a snack, We just settled down at my rig (it's a Mac). When out in the Web there arose such a clatter, I jumped to the site to see what was the matter. To a new page my Mac flew like a flash, Then made a slight gurgle. It started to crash!! I gasped at the thought and started to grouse, Then turned my head sideways and clicked on my mouse. When what to my wondering eyes should appear, My Mac jumped to a page that wasn't quite clear. When the image resolved, so bright and so quick, I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick! More rapid than mainframes, more graphics they came, Then Nick glanced toward my screen, my Mac called them by name; "Now Compaq! Now Acer!", my speaker did reel; "On Apple! On Gateway!" Santa started to squeal! "Jump onto the circuits! And into the chip! Now speed it up! Speed it up! Make this thing hip!" The screen gave a flicker, he was into my "Ram", Then into my room rose a full hologram! He was dressed in all red, from his head to his shoes, Which were black (the white socks he really should lose). He pulled out some discs he had stored in his backpack. Santa looked like a dude who was rarin' to hack! His eyes, how they twinkled! His glasses, how techno! This ain't the same Santa that I used to know! With a wink of his eye and a nod of his head, Santa soon let me know I had nothing to dread. He spoke not a word, gave my Mac a quick poke, And accessed my C drive with only a stroke. He defragged my hard drive, and added a "Dimm", Then threw in some cool games, just on a whim! He worked without noise, his fingers they flew! He distorted some pictures with Kai's Power Goo! He updated Office, Excel and Quicken, Then added a screensaver with a red clucking chicken! My eyes widened a bit, my mouth stood agape, As he added the latest version of Netscape. The drive gave a whirl, as if it were pleased, St. Nick coyly smiled, the computer appeased. Then placing his finger on the bridge of his nose, Santa turned into nothing but ones and zeros! He flew back into my screen and through my uplink, Back into the net with barely a blink. But I heard his sweet voice as he flew from my sight, "Happy surfing to all, and to all a good byte!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 20:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 19:48:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Merry KissMoose! Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.174437.0> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas to all! Tom http://www.link4u.com/kissmoose.htm Be sure you have your browser configured to view Java applets and content. Be sure you have all the sound plug ins and add-ons for your browser (contact your Internet Provider for your best settings or see your Browsers website). Best viewed with Java enabled browsers, IE 4.0 or higher and Netscape 4.0 or higher. AOL users best viewed with the latest Browser and java enabled. Some of our web cards take a moment to load so please be patient, it is worth the wait. Disclaimer and Copyright =A9 1998-1999 Link4U - All Rights Reserved ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 20:24:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:02:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Prayers for little Paola, please Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.18054.0> Precedence: bulk Good Evening One and All To those I know and those I know of, I'm asking that you join us in praying for a dear friends grand-daughter. Little Paola is Dori's grand-daughter. Dori is on the StainedGlassArts list at ONElist, e-groups and also the glassbungi.com email lists. The letter I received from Dori is below, please send your prayers and get well wishes to Dori at: Dornat@worldnet.att.net . Thank you all and I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Wonderful New Year. Dori, I have a feeling that your little Paola will be just fine very soon. You are in my prayers and thoughts as well. Tom hi tom; maybe you will get this in duplicate,for i seem to have hit a key and the message i was writing disappeared. i'm asking you to pass this on to the"lists"i thought i had done it,but right now i don't know if i'm coming or going! our little granddaughter,Paola,she is going to be 3,has been diagnosed with "osteomyelitis"which is an infection in the bones,with her it is in her legs.from what we have gathered,this can be dangerous,because the blood goes through the bone marrow and can carry this infection to other parts of the body.the treatment is intravenous antibiotics,which they started today,but it can take weeks. i am asking for your prayers;we already lost one little granddaughter to an illness called "leighs disease"which is very rare and right now we are in shock that something could happen to Paola .they are doing a bunch of other tests,but this seems to be the main diagnosis. you and the others on the list are such great people that i'm sure you'll join me in praying for Paola's health. thanks tom,and please forgive me for asking you to share this burden with me. it won't be much of a Christmas for us if Paola doesn't improve.her birthday is on dec.26th. keep well,take care and thanks, dori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 18 21:32:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:09:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: fastlane.net!byronw From: "Byron Wells" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Digital Camera Recommendations? Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:33:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec18.163323.0> Precedence: bulk I bought a Toshiba this year.. Does something like 1.2 million pixels... Has 3x optical zoom and 2x digital zoom... I LOVE it! Takes excellent pictures of glass.. When I do a job I take some 35mm pics for the old photoalbum and also now take the digital pix for use in my brochures and for my future .com address I hope to set up this year... Another great use I found for this camera is when a customer wants a panel done that goes with the rest of the house/area I take quite a few pics of the area, then when I'm done with the job I just nuke em... No wasted film,time sketching stuff etc... Anyway I believe I paid $599 for it... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 3:51 PM Subject: NG: Digital Camera Recommendations? > >Hi all, > >Can anyone recommmend a digital camera for me? >I am looking for: >Price - around $500 give or take $100, take is better >Macro capabilities for close-ups >PC compatable > >thanks > >Laura >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 09:54:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:39:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com, Robert Sedlor , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Fiction - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:37:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.73746.0> Precedence: bulk This is Snhr Jay Jay, I realize that many of E & P's friends were not able to come to their party on the first night of Festival, what with the miles and multiple realities in between. I wanted to tell you a little about it. Many of you know that P collects antique glass luminaria. They are, of course, extremely impractical things ..putting glass filled with sand and with burning candles out in the snow...well, there aren't a lot of them to be found anymore, but P has a museum quality collection, many found in the attics of elderly relatives. His, of course, being the rare gms that they are, were arranged along the walkway in glass cases, with Festival light strings replacing the cancles. What beauties. in some of them, you can see the frosting caused by years of use and sand. And there are the newer ones, some of which E made, some blown by Jacques. So the house had a distinctly festive look as one walked up to it. The food and drink. Well, E made her hot buttered rum, which we all know is a favored Festival drink of the itinerant glass workers, and wonderful for warming one's hands when one comes in from the cold. P's mother made the cookies, the stained glass coookies, the pressed cookies with the design of a rose window on them, and the chocolate conconctions...well, some things cannot be adequately described. There were also the traditional sausages, pates, twice-baked potatoes, etc.. This was the night E publicly unveiled her 4-D glass sculpture, which she calls, for some reason "Wings". It cannot be adequately described, as it cannot be completely seen. However P has made a wonderful fluted and lighted display column out of hardwood (the boy has an interesting affinity for sawdust for a glass maker) that makes the whole thing sparkle with unreal (literally) colors. Yes, it was tuned. Now I've seen it in the workshop, where it simply plays slow and quiet music. As wind plays Aeolian flutes, this construction is played by shiftin paradigms. Given the crush of people in the house, it was playing a sprightly air, with overtones of lute and organ, random yet organized. The local music critic was scribbling a review while I was there. Later we sang all the traditional songs, including those last century ditties about food and drink and the comforts of home and hearth, plus the ones that truely celebrate the meaning of Festival, when God saw fit to repair the glass light globes and mirrors to allow the light to multiply so that the people could ward off flood and famine and the whole rest of the story. There were some truely profound moments when the sculpture seemed to sing along. later J amused us all by playing tuned rum glasses, but the sculpture merely pinged along. At the end of the evening, we exchanged suncatchers and lace and candles. P's mother has taken up tatting. I don't know where she finds the time. I really must get some sleep now and let Dorothy regain control of her computer. May the rest of your Festival, no matter how you celebrate it, be joyful. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 17:28:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:13:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG-From Santa-My New Contract Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:12:47 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec20.11247.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/18/99 1:06:49 PM, ptap@pacifier.com writes: >> 6. As required by Southern highway laws, Bubba Claus' sleigh does have a >> Yosemite Sam mudflaps on the back with the words "Back off" The last I >> heard it also had other decorations on the sleigh back as well. One is a >> Ford or Chevy logo with lights that race through the letters and the other >> is a caricature of me (Santa Claus) going wee wee on the Tooth Fairy. Don't forget the gun rack! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 17:40:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: judd-electric.com!kb From: Ken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Nonglass - Back from NY Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:15:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.151547.0> References: <<1999Dec18.17435.0>> Precedence: bulk > > Just remember, on any given day, something like 99.9999% of the people in NYC > *don't* get killed! I take those for pretty decent odds.......... > > Sparks > ----...... > What does that work out to in numbers for the population? > *Sutherin'r's* I know really want to know. Honest, they do! ;) > Tom As a resident of Manhattan I feel the need to jump in for my home's defense (in a very nerd-like numerical manner!): Actually 99.9999% works to a degree when you realize there are about 800-900 murders with a resident population in NYC of about 8 million. But that's for the total year (and mostly in the outer boroughs of Brooklyn and the Bronx). Your chance of not getting killed on any particular DAY might look something like 99.9999998% But that doesn't count you tourists, so your chances of living just got even better! You have a much greater chance of getting killed coming here than being here, so if you make it, enjoy! Ken ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 17:57:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:20:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Skanky lead, was Re: SG dogma-- Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:20:02 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec20.1202.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/18/99 8:00:46 PM, MATRONA writes: >i wonder if you've ever tried the candle type of flux. Nope, never even seen it. >I can't remember about the oleic acid I've only run across that once. Hated it! It didn't work very well, left a burnt organic residue, and made the place stink like something died and sat around for a week before being cremated. So far my favorite flux is the new liquid stuff Canfield was handing out at GV99. I hope they hurry up and get it out on the market! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 18:35:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.155728.0> References: <<1999Dec19.73746.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Dear Dorothy How pleased I was to hear that Emeraldine's sculpture is finished and working well. We have all been hoping for this moment, and now that it has arrived, we'd love some more descriptions of it, and maybe some profound thoughts from Emeraldine on the meaning of it all, plus maybe a few practical suggestions for those of us for whom she is an inspiration. - Cec PS - I tried Pierre's suggestion of the puce and passion pink, but was not able to handle the layering correctly. However all was not lost: I desoldered my failure and was able to reuse the puce to make a small 3-D flea which went quickly at the Turkey Days Cider Mill and Glass Shop. Got quite a good price for it, too. Better have - that puce is EXPENSIVE! PPS - I'm just so jealous! I'm getting quite good at 3-D, but 4-D!!! But I'm math phobic, and I just don't think I can accomplish 4-D. I'd be awfully interesting in the tuning scheme used though. I've heard it was based on the penultimute scale? Not too many people can use it well because of the inverted eighth tones. PPPS - I do hope Bungi's conservationists are gathering together the Life and Letters of Pierre and Emeraldine, Snhr. Jay Jay and the rest of the Panesville crowd. I've only just met and known them for 3 or 4 months, so I have missed months or even years of their saga. -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 19:35:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:02:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:00:58 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.15058.0> References: <<1999Dec19.155728.0>> Precedence: bulk I just want Emeraldine's old clothes! :o) suzanne > > PPPS - I do hope Bungi's conservationists are gathering together the Life > and Letters of Pierre and Emeraldine, Snhr. Jay Jay and the rest of the > Panesville crowd. I've only just met and known them for 3 or 4 months, so > I have missed months or even years of their saga. > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 21:06:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:49:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Skanky lead Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:44:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.18446.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I picked up a bottle of the oleic acid flux and tried it just a few days ago - yyeeaauuck! Surprised the smoke detector didn't go off - (hmmm wonder if I changed the battery at the end of daylight savings time?). Elisabeth brought over the tallow candles from England and gave each of us a small bit to use in class. I liked that and brought some back from my visit to James Hetley in London. It really is tallow, make like a candle without any wick. You just rub a bit on and solder. There was a slight cooking odor (like a good roast in the oven) but not nearly as much odor as that new Canfield stuff which I thought had a very chemical smell. I read somewhere not to use tallow (oleic acid) on foiled pieces, but can't see why not. Anybody know? - Cec Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/18/99 8:00:46 PM, MATRONA writes: > > >i wonder if you've ever tried the candle type of flux. > > Nope, never even seen it. > > >I can't remember about the oleic acid > > I've only run across that once. Hated it! It didn't work very well, left a > burnt organic residue, and made the place stink like something died and sat > around for a week before being cremated. > > So far my favorite flux is the new liquid stuff Canfield was handing out at > GV99. I hope they hurry up and get it out on the market! > > Sparks -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 22:06:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:59:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Wrong Address ;( Prayers for little Paola, please Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:52:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.195255.0> Precedence: bulk To Everyone, Thank you one and all for your prayers for little Paola. I mistakenly posted Dori's *wrong* E-mail address as some of you have found out. Dori's other E-mail address is: doribee@hotmail.com The posts that were sent to me that were "return to sender" are being passed on to Dori. I'm sorry I posted the wrong information, please send your E-mail hopes and prayers for Dori's grand-daughter, Paola, to the above Hotmail.com address. I truly believe that all the prayers and hopes for a speedy recovery from this terrible disease will be heard and I thank you all from the bottom of my heart. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: dori budet : From: "dori budet" : : to tom and all the other wonderful people on this list ; : thank you all for joining in my prayers for paola's speedey recovery. : i,m sure she will soon be better with so many praying for her. : the address that was published in tom's letter is incorrect,you can all : reach me at my hotmail address@doribee@hotmail.com, : thanks to all and god bless you, : dori : : http://www.doribee.com : Puerto Rico,Island of Enchantment : Bee happy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 22:38:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:09:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "Bungi" , "Cecily and Ralph Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tallow flux Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:58:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.135836.0> Precedence: bulk >>I read somewhere not to use tallow (oleic acid) on foiled pieces, but can't see why not. Anybody know? - Cec<< No, but I will guess. Tallow candles are often available as candle stubs from churches. They seem to be a mixture of animal fat and wax. The wax component makes it a bit harder to clean from a foiled piece. You can make your own by melting together a 50/50 mix of fresh beef or pork fat and beeswax. Cool and form into thick pencil shapes. The wax is there to stiffen the fat so use more or less as necessary. In an emergency a piece of fresh fat cut from most any meat will do for a flux. Just gently rub on the area to be soldered. It does not smell so good hot but seems to produce a very smooth solder joint/seam. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 23:11:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:41:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: non-glass, good list Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.203952.0> Precedence: bulk freds_virusinfo@onelist.com The above named list seems to have quite a few computer guru's. So far, the information I've gotten as a member of this list regarding viruses seems pretty factual. You don't have to do as some there suggest, unless you absolutely *know* what you are doing regarding changing settings, etc. However, you could print out posted information and give it to those who would try and help you out of a problem should you be unlucky enough to get any 'bugs'. I enjoy the list and thought I'd pass this on to those of you who might be interested. Just go to www.onelist.com and join this list if you'd like. If you are not yet a member of the ONElist communities you will have to 'register' using an email address and making up a password. Happy Holidays! Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 19 23:36:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:25:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: chalcot.com.au!chalcot From: "Gordon Newell" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: Tallow flux Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:25:59 +1100 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.52559.0> Precedence: bulk Oleic Acid will actually dissolve the adhesive on the foil. I foiled a lamp and used oleic acid as flux. I wondered where all this black sticky stuff was coming from when I was cleaning it. Gordon. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Duchesneau [mailto:bobdu@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, 20 December 1999 4:59 PM To: Bungi; Cecily and Ralph Wood Subject: Tallow flux >>I read somewhere not to use tallow (oleic acid) on foiled pieces, but can't see why not. Anybody know? - Cec<< No, but I will guess. Tallow candles are often available as candle stubs from churches. They seem to be a mixture of animal fat and wax. The wax component makes it a bit harder to clean from a foiled piece. [snip] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 01:50:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:54:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #14 built 1999-Dec-14) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Bob Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Church Candles, Bob Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 03:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.224642.0> References: <<1999Dec19.135836.0>> Precedence: bulk : >>I read somewhere not to use tallow (oleic acid) on foiled pieces, but : can't see why not. Anybody know? - Cec<< : No, but I will guess. : ................... The wax is there to : stiffen the fat so use more or less as necessary. : Bob in 92026 Bob, Churches use the beeswax for the candles because: The candles with beeswax do *not* drip like ordinary ones do. ;) Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 15:40:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:20:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Gordon Newell Subject: Re: FW: Tallow flux Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:46:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.204628.0> References: <<1999Dec21.52559.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Gordon, In my experience it does not take much to make the black backing on copper foil to ooze from under the foil in a sticky mess. I get this with both paste and liquid fluxes. I think it has to do with the heat of the soldering process. In message <1999Dec21.52559.0@?>, Gordon Newell writes >Oleic Acid will actually dissolve the adhesive on the foil. I foiled a lamp >and used oleic acid as flux. I wondered where all this black sticky stuff >was coming from when I was cleaning it. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 16:11:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:30:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Subject: Re: Skanky lead Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:44:22 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.204422.0> References: <<1999Dec19.18446.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1999Dec19.18446.0@?>, Cecily and Ralph Wood writes .cut..... >I read somewhere not to use tallow >(oleic >acid) on foiled pieces, but can't see why not. Anybody know? - Cec First, I don't think you can equate oleic acid and tallow. the first is a chemical preparation, even if from organic products. the second comes from a rendering of animal fats. Second, The "you can't ....." kind of statement is suspect unless there is a reason given. There is no reason why tallow would not work on copper foil if it will work for other soldering processes (and it does, I assure you). I don't use it on copper foil, although I do for all other soldering, just because it is easier to use a paste that I can apply thinly. For the same reason I have rejected the liquid fluxes as too messy, running over the whole, or drying up before I've got to that point. Third, experimentation is often a good idea. The use of tallow on a copper foil project is a low risk experiment, since the tallow is easy to clean off with warm water and soap/dish washing liquid. I much prefer writers who say this works for me for this reason, and this doesn't for that reason. Assertions without explanations tend to show a lack of breadth of experience. My opinions of course. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 16:32:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:33:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!LMCCDC From: LMCCDC@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: reinforcement Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:34:09 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec20.21349.0> Precedence: bulk Happy Holidays to Everyone! I would like to get some recommendations about how I should reinforce a transom/sidelight project that I am going to do. The frame for the transom is approximately 58" wide and 10" high and for the sidelights 68" high and 8" wide. The design is a fairly simple with very few curves and few small pieces. I was planning to use rebar for support. The house is a new construction and I have not installed a window of this size before. Will a 1/2" wide wood trim be enough to hold the window in place? Thanks for your help, Lisa McLeod Chambless ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 16:41:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:01:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: chalcot.com.au!chalcot From: "Gordon Newell" To: "glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: FW: FW: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:01:46 +1100 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.22146.0> Precedence: bulk Stephen, I had never had this happen before, but I had never used Oleic acid either. When I purchased the acid, I asked if it was OK for foil and was given a positive response. Then all this black goo when cleaning. I searched the web for Oleic acid information and found http://www.finnsglass.com.au a local OZ site. They mentioned the product was only for Lead came. So I asked why, and the answer was that it dissolves the foil adhesive. Fits. So now I only use it for came and no more problems. As they says in the US - YMMV. Gordon. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Richard [mailto:s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 1999 7:46 AM To: Gordon Newell Subject: Re: FW: Tallow flux Gordon, In my experience it does not take much to make the black backing on copper foil to ooze from under the foil in a sticky mess. I get this with both paste and liquid fluxes. I think it has to do with the heat of the soldering process. In message <1999Dec21.52559.0@?>, Gordon Newell writes >Oleic Acid will actually dissolve the adhesive on the foil. I foiled a lamp >and used oleic acid as flux. I wondered where all this black sticky stuff >was coming from when I was cleaning it. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 17:00:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:34:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NG: And the winner is...(digital camera) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:14:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec20.201438.0> Precedence: bulk For all who gave advice for my digital camera dilemma: I finally decided on a digital camera! I got the Sony Mavica MVC-FD88. Spent a bit over what I had first thought, but I am the type who needs thse extra options (adjustable flash, 16x zoom, etc). Just love being able to use the floppies, and that is pretty much what sold me on it, since this camera will be for in-home use. Thanks everybody! Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 17:11:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:37:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Greeting Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:50:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.25044.0> References: <<1999Dec19.203952.0>> Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, My name is Skip and just joined the list today. Looks like there is some pretty good conversation going on here. A little about my self. I have been doing glass for about 4 1/2 years now and have recently opened my own store in Winter Garden Fl. I enjoy making lamps, panels, beads, marbles, slumping and fusing. AS far as the candle stick type of flux goes, I have seen it once at the Moris Museum. It was used during repair work of the large windows from the Worlds Fair Chaple now on display there. It seemed to work pretty good and I noticed no lingering odor. They said they got it from some City Electricions in N.Y. They liked it so much I tried to get them to part with a small sample but they said it was too prescious and couldn't spare any since they didn't know when they would be able to more. My suggestion is try it. If you like it use it. If you don't send it to me. ha ha ha. Well I look forward to hearing from more and more of you and hope I am able to contribute some worth while every now and then. Thanks Skip ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 17:24:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:04:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Other creative outlets? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:47:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.24722.0> Precedence: bulk I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained glass---curious of what other media you work in.... Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 17:34:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:06:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Adriana & Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:24:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.42412.0> References: <<1999Dec16.15155.0>> Precedence: bulk In case you forget the kink again, all of Robert Oddy's link information in the various IGGA (International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.igga.org/ ) directories has now been updated to reflect the new information, both email and web page. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Gunn To: Hilary Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website > lol...thanks everybody. > > suzanne > > Hilary wrote: > > > > He now has a new address: > > > > http://www.RobertOddy.com/ > > > > Hilary > > > > > > I've lost it. Someone please send me the url? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 17:42:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:33:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: ARTIZ01@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: blast vs acid etch Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:08:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec20.6838.0> References: <<1999Dec11.10532.0>> Precedence: bulk Hi Bob: You ask which is easier the blast or acid etch. If you blast you can use your resist over and over...which is different than if you acid etch. Happy new year. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 18:01:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:04:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Joseph Augusta , Bungi Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 05:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.21928.0> References: <<1999Dec18.115319.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > I know that other listees feel as you do----here's another post I received > this afternoon: "You are getting to be a pain in the ass. Perhaps you could > give a bit more thought to your posts." Hi Joseph, I would ignore this person and post whatever you want until/unless the admins of the list (Glenna and Dave Rand) either tell you to change or kick you off. Given what you've posted so far the latter is MOST unlikely, as the person who admonished you offlist surely knows. Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 18:12:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:08:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: webtv.net!alipearson From: alipearson@webtv.net (alipea) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Supplies - not glass related Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:06:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Dec20.15655.0> Precedence: bulk I'm trying to find items i usualy buy at the supplier we go to, but i haven't had time. Does anyone know of sites for sticky paper for paterns, suction cups for sun catchers & small chain (but not jewelry) for suncatchers? Ali ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 18:38:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:03:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Everyone Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Skanky lead Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.15835.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Steve Richard >For the same reason I have rejected the liquid fluxes as too messy, running over the whole, or drying up before I've got to that point.< Well, it goes to show ya! Everyone has their own preferences. Fluxing a copperfoil project is such a pain in my pompous opinion, I just put liquid flux in a spray bottle and... you guessed it.... spray the stuff on. Then solder immediately... then wipe excess off before flipping to the other side and repeating. = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 18:55:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:03:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: And the winner is...(digital camera) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.15583.0> References: <<1999Dec20.201438.0>> Precedence: bulk Laura, Can you say: "I LOVE my Sony!" I knew you could. Congratulations on a very smart investment. Tom Subject: NG: And the winner is...(digital camera) : : For all who gave advice for my digital camera dilemma: : I finally decided on a digital camera! I got the Sony Mavica MVC-FD88. Spent : a bit over what I had first thought, but I am the type who needs thse extra : options (adjustable flash, 16x zoom, etc). Just love being able to use the : floppies, and that is pretty much what sold me on it, since this camera will : be for in-home use. : : Thanks everybody! : : Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 19:12:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:11:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com, glass@intrastar.net Subject: restoration discussion list Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:18:43 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.211843.0> Precedence: bulk I have found a ceramics and glass restoration discussion list which may be of interest to those carrying out restorations. Lots of topics discussed at: http://antiquerestorers.com/cgi-bin/bbs/porc/config.pl? Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 19:19:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:22:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Joseph Augusta" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:15:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.161559.0> References: <<1999Dec20.24722.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph, Along with stained glass, wood working is also an equal love of mine. I like to do wood working from scroll sawing to full sized furniture, and everything in-between. I just wish my 'shop dreams' would come true sooner, much sooner. Tom From: "Joseph Augusta" Subject: Other creative outlets? : I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized : that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained : glass---curious of what other media you work in.... : : Best wishes, : Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 19:28:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:34:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: soltec.net!tamis From: "Tami Siddens" To: Subject: Re: Greeting Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:28:06 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.20286.0> Precedence: bulk Welcome Skip, Happy holidays. Tami "Just don't give up trying to do what you really want to do. Where there is love and inspiration, I don't think you can go wrong." - Ella Fitzgerald -----Original Message----- From: Skip Hodge To: Glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:25 AM Subject: Greeting >Hello Everyone, > >My name is Skip and just joined the list today. Looks like there is some >pretty good conversation going on here. > >A little about my self. I have been doing glass for about 4 1/2 years >now and have recently opened my own store in Winter Garden Fl. I enjoy >making lamps, panels, beads, marbles, slumping and fusing. > >AS far as the candle stick type of flux goes, I have seen it once at the >Moris Museum. It was used during repair work of the large windows from >the Worlds Fair Chaple now on display there. It seemed to work pretty >good and I noticed no lingering odor. They said they got it from some >City Electricions in N.Y. They liked it so much I tried to get them to >part with a small sample but they said it was too prescious and couldn't >spare any since they didn't know when they would be able to more. My >suggestion is try it. If you like it use it. If you don't send it to me. >ha ha ha. > >Well I look forward to hearing from more and more of you and hope I am >able to contribute some worth while every now and then. > >Thanks >Skip >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 19:40:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:40:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:LMCCDC@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: reinforcement Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:08:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.15837.0> Precedence: bulk We consider reinforcing when the size of the window exceeds 14 perimeter feet or if the design has inherent weak areas.... for example, large pieces of glass with horizontal lead runs that could easily buckle. With lots of small pieces, installed to exterior glazing, you should not have a problem. And your stops sound adequate also. There is a = tendency for the inexperienced artisan to overbuild a window. Remember, that the use of supporting bars was originally intended to act as wind bracing. This is hardly necessary when installed against exterior glazing. Hope that is helpful. Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 19:44:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:52:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele S" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:51:35 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec21.25135.0> Precedence: bulk I like to make beaded jewelry, greeting cards, and floral arrangements. My craft shelves are full of the remains of several crafts gone by, but as a true crafter I keep them...in case there is a project that needs just that certain piece! ~;-) >From: Joseph Augusta >To: glass >Subject: Other creative outlets? >Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:47:22 -0500 > >I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized >that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained >glass---curious of what other media you work in.... > >Best wishes, >Joseph > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 20:11:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:48:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ceps.nasm.edu!jellison From: pat jellison To: Howard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chip Glass Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:54:09 -0500 Message-ID: <385E4311.EE9B5D8D@ceps.nasm.edu> References: <<1999Dec17.8103.0>> Precedence: bulk Howard, All, I'd love to hear why glue-chip glass does not do too well for lamps -- could you, would you, elucidate please? Many thanks, PJ Jellison jellison@ceps.nasm.edu Howard wrote: > > does not do too well for lamps, however! > enjoy, H > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 20:29:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:49:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:43:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec19.204348.0> References: <<1999Dec19.135836.0@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > >>I read somewhere not to use tallow (oleic acid) on foiled pieces, but > can't see why not. Anybody know? - Cec<< > > No, but I will guess. > > Tallow candles are often available as candle stubs from churches. They seem > to be a mixture of animal fat and wax. The wax component makes it a bit > harder to clean from a foiled piece. > > You can make your own by melting together a 50/50 mix of fresh beef or pork > fat and beeswax. Cool and form into thick pencil shapes. The wax is there to > stiffen the fat so use more or less as necessary. Bob, FWIW, my guess (have done no research on this) is the same as yours. Tallow candles are likely to be a mixture of various substances. In any case, pure oleic acid is a liquid and since candles are a solid, there must be some high boiling point substances (probably paraffins, long chain hydrocarbons) added in, probably originating either from plants or petroleum (latter is most likely). Bob in 95014 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 20 20:51:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:58:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "1Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Reinforcement Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:50:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec20.115017.0> Precedence: bulk Your windows should not need ANY special reinforcement due to the narrow dimension of the windows. Many SG artisans use 18"s as a standard for rebar spacing but not when one of the dimensions is well under 18"s. One half inch wood stops are standard and are plenty for a well dimensioned window. Bob in 92026 >>I would like to get some recommendations about how I should reinforce a transom/sidelight project that I am going to do. The frame for the transom is approximately 58" wide and 10" high and for the sidelights 68" high and 8" wide. The design is a fairly simple with very few curves and few small pieces. I was planning to use rebar for support. The house is a new construction and I have not installed a window of this size before. Will a 1/2" wide wood trim be enough to hold the window in place?<< ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 02:51:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:09:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: mediaone.net!embee From: "Mary" To: "Joseph Augusta" , "Bungi" Subject: NG:: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 05:06:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.0648.0> References: <<1999Dec20.24722.0>> Precedence: bulk > I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized > that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained > glass---curious of what other media you work in.... > > Best wishes, > Joseph I paint furniture, similar in style to MacKenzie and Childs, make pottery, faux paint and do some murals. Believe it or not, my favorite pottery piece isn't wheel thrown or coil built. It's a rectangular plate, edged in black and white checkerboard, upon which I made and attached bits and pieces of food (rice, carrots and beans) and a fork and knife (out of clay, of course, not "real"). The food is spread on the plate as you would see after a meal. It hangs on my breakfast wall and every time I look at it, I still chuckle. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 05:20:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: Steve Richard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: restoration discussion list Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:38:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.23816.0> References: <<1999Dec20.211843.0>> Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > I have found a ceramics and glass restoration discussion list which may > be of interest to those carrying out restorations. Lots of topics > discussed at: > > http://antiquerestorers.com/cgi-bin/bbs/porc/config.pl? > Hi Steve! That's an interesting list---nice find! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 05:39:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:50:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com, thomm@vnet.net, glass@daver.bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: unsubscribe temporaraly..... Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:49:14 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec21.124914.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Glenna, I also was in NYC this weekend, on a shopping trip, went to Macy's and a few others.....was only there a few hours...It was unbelievable...like being in the crowd after a concert continuously! Still, totally awsome! We will be gone for about 12 days , please unsubscribe me on bungi until I get back...thanks Abbie in Va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 05:52:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:57:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: gjr@bungi.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas - from Glenna Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:52:36 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec21.125236.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks Glenna...Suzanne in Tulsa, Sparks, KSEE and all of the other BUNGI'S have a wonderful holiday and safe New year.....love to all, Abbie in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 06:27:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 05:52:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:51:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.3519.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained glass---curious of what other media you work in....< Well....I'm a professional musician (flute, recorders, piccolo, tympany, voice), do music composition, have a garden, and like to can jams and jellies. O= h, and in my spare time I'm Executive Director of the International Guild of= Glass Artists (IGGA). Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 11:28:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:52:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:47:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.24750.0> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk While this is true of attached greeting cards, it is not true of a link to a greeting card such as this. This greeting card was simply a link to an HTML page. As such, it as a safe as any web page you can link to while surfing the web. It is impossible with current technology to transmit a computer virus through an HTML page. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Augusta To: Glenna Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Have a Rockin Christmas [virus alert!] > Glenna wrote: > > > You have just received an animated greeting card from Glenna > > You'll see the personal greeting by using the following Web location. > > Glenna--There were virus warnings on several news programs last nite about these > things--the message was that many, many nuts are on the net placing viruses in > all kinds of places--including greeting cards! The advice of the computer people > was to not open any attachment, or any electronic card, since you may get a virus > the sender may inadvertently send inside their card. Most of these viruses are > date sensitive, so nothing happens when the card or .exe file is opened --but > will usually kick in 12/25 or 1/1/2000. > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 11:54:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:19:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Christie A. Wood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.85753.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Christie A. Wood" >O=3D h, and in my spare time I'm Executive Director of the International Guild of= =3D < Oh, yeah, I forgot about that stuff. I'm Treasurer of = the International Guild of Glass Artists and Interim Editor of Common Ground:Glass, the "newsletter". Also am president of Commonwheel Artists Co-op which is now in it's 26th year. Last year we grossed about $300,000 in fine arts and crafts sales. Not bad... we sure slam-dunked the starving artist concept... another one of my little spare-time hobbies! Best, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 12:12:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:03:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Crash test dummy! Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:47:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.74737.0> Precedence: bulk Ah! The computer crashed and I lost all the responses from the "other creative outlets" post--and here I was planning to write you all a holiday poem--- about the quilters and bakers, writers, song makers-- singers, clay artisans, potters, wood-workingmans-- administrators and furniture painters-----and now I can't! best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 12:27:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:32:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:57:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.85743.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained glass---curious of what other media you work in....< I'm actually an oil painter from way back.... do mostly pastel work now. Michael also does sculpture and woodwork. We have a formal show every two years exhibiting some of out "other" stuff. We also both write.... = Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 13:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:39:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!kristc From: "Kris" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:32:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.103256.0> References: <<1999Dec20.24722.0>> Precedence: bulk Website design, love that too! Kris > I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized > that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained > glass---curious of what other media you work in.... > > Best wishes, > Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 14:00:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:22:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "1Bungi" , "Joseph Augusta" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Crash test dummy! Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:18:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.51854.0> Precedence: bulk >>Ah! The computer crashed and I lost all the responses from the "other creative outlets" post-<< They can all be retrieved by downloading the current archives. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 14:21:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:02:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:37:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.23735.0> References: <<1999Dec19.204348.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in trying out pure tallow blocks? A good friend is a sheep farmer and I know they have rendered there own sheeps tallow in the past. I do not know if they have any left or if they are willing to do it again. So I am not promissing anything, I just want to know if there is interest before I ask them. Also, would any of you have any idea how much you would be willing to pay for sheeps tallow (which at least for candles is one of the highest quality tallows available from farmed animals). I know this friend complains about the waste of throwing all that sheep fat away after they butcher. If they thought there might be a market for the tallow in the future, they might be a lot more likely to render some now and send out free samples for people to try. (Just so you know, rendering tallow is a very time consuming and smelly process. So they may be a little hesitant to just try it on a whim.) Also, even if they are interested, I am not sure it will be immediate. I wish this discusion had come up about five weeks ago. That was butchering time and we are a little late now. If they have already disposed of the fat we are all going to be out of luck for another year. Despite all this, please answer if you think you might be interested. That way I can pursue it with good information in hand. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 15:32:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:33:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re: other outlets Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:31:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.103126.0> Precedence: bulk Oops... One of my friends reminded me I forgot the technicolor yough poster girl. (unofficial of course)<--might play into my fantasy world a bit. Suzanne de Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 16:02:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: IX.NETCOM.COM!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:46:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.84634.0> References: <<1999Dec21.85743.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm a lover, mom, sister, daughter, friend, artist, and have a complete and distinct fantasy world all of my very own. Suzanne de Tulsa :o) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 16:35:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:45:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:23:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.132355.0> References: <<1999Dec21.85743.0>> Precedence: bulk I do extra work in films. pj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dani Greer" To: "Joseph Augusta" Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: Other creative outlets? > Message text written by Joseph Augusta > >I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized > that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained > glass---curious of what other media you work in....< > > I'm actually an oil painter from way back.... do mostly > pastel work now. Michael also does sculpture and > woodwork. We have a formal show every two years > exhibiting some of out "other" stuff. We also both > write.... = > > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 17:05:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:27:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: xtra.co.nz!TMacnicol From: Tina Booth To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Have you got Glass Magic Yet? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:20:59 +1300 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.22059.0> Precedence: bulk To all of you who bought a copy of the Glass Magic software, Have you recieved it yet??? Have you had time to have a bit of a play??? I have not had time to load the full version onto my PC yet. Ther version I reviewed was pre-release. I am interested to here your comments and opinions on the product and comparisions to other software you may be or have used before. -- -Tina Booth- -Knowledge is true opinion- -Plato- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 17:28:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:29:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Tim Atwood" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:24:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.142434.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Tim Atwood" >I know this friend complains about the waste of throwing all that sheep fat away after they butcher.< It's also good for water-proofing leather shoes..... Best, Dani Greer Ever the cesspool of slightly interesting trivia.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 17:33:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:03:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Bob Oddy's website Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:14:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.81422.0> References: <<1999Dec20.42412.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Tim Atwood wrote: > In case you forget the kink again, all of Robert Oddy's link information ..... Oops - LINK not KINK. I don't know Bob well enough personally to know if he has any kinks. Though I guess with my programming skills, I spend a lot of time working the kinks out of my links. Merry Christmas and Happy Spell Checkers ! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 17:39:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:29:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.142621.0> References: <<1999Dec21.84634.0>> Precedence: bulk Suzanne, Can we hear more about the lover and distinct fantasies, please? ;) Tom Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? : : : I'm a lover, mom, sister, daughter, friend, artist, and have : a complete and distinct fantasy world all of my very own. : : Suzanne de Tulsa :o) : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 17:49:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:05:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: one.net!gwood To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: [virus alert!] Date: Tue Dec 21 16:04:49 1999 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.134249.0> References: <<1999Dec21.24750.0>> Precedence: bulk > While this is true of attached greeting cards, it is not true of a link to a > greeting card such as this. This greeting card was simply a link to an HTML > page. As such, it as a safe as any web page you can link to while surfing > the web. It is impossible with current technology to transmit a computer > virus through an HTML page. Um, the mechanism that the BubbleBoy worm used was to exploit a security flaw in a couple of ActiveX controls by transmitting an E-Mail in HTML format. A script in that code ran when the page was viewed. It used features in these ActiveX controls to create a file and add a registry entry to run that file the next time you restart your machine. It only required E-Mail to replicate itself. For your viewing pleasure from the people that brought you the hole... http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/ms99-032.asp Microsoft Security Bulletin (MS99-032) Patch Available for "scriptlet.typelib/Eyedog" Vulnerability Originally Posted: August 31, 1999 Revised: September 02, 1999 Revised: October 12, 1999 Summary Microsoft has released a patch that eliminates security vulnerabilities in two ActiveX controls. The net effect of the vulnerabilities is that a web page could take unauthorized action against a person who visited it. Specifically, the web page would be able to do anything on the computer that the user could do. Frequently asked questions regarding this vulnerability can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/MS99-032faq.asp -G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 17:53:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:18:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:15:31 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.131531.0> References: <<02c901bf4c13$2cf4e600$8f3152a6@v7a9r1>> Precedence: bulk Probably not. :o) Suzanne Tom wrote: > > Suzanne, > > Can we hear more about the lover and distinct fantasies, please? ;) > > Tom > > Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? > > : > : > : I'm a lover, mom, sister, daughter, friend, artist, and have > : a complete and distinct fantasy world all of my very own. > : > : Suzanne de Tulsa :o) > : ---- > : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 18:10:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:42:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:34:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.153427.0> References: <<38602633.2DA21A1A@ix.netcom.com>> Precedence: bulk hahahahaha!!!! Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? : Probably not. :o) : : Suzanne : : Tom wrote: : > : > Suzanne, : > : > Can we hear more about the lover and distinct fantasies, please? ;) : > : > Tom : > : > Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? : > : > : : > : : > : I'm a lover, mom, sister, daughter, friend, artist, and have : > : a complete and distinct fantasy world all of my very own. : > : : > : Suzanne de Tulsa :o) : > : ---- : > : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : > : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : > : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : > : : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 18:37:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:04:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: clientes.euskaltel.es!elere From: "Elena Rodríguez" To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:54:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.15444.0> References: <<1999Dec20.24722.0>> Precedence: bulk I weld iron bases for my lamps (electrical up to now, but soon autogenous). Regards Elena Joseph Augusta escribió: > I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized > that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained > glass---curious of what other media you work in.... > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 19:07:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:36:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: LMCCDC@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: reinforcement Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:35:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec21.103538.0> References: <<1999Dec20.21349.0>> Precedence: bulk Lisa: From what you described, very little reinforcement will be needed if you use a molding to hold the frame in place. If not, consider that it is vertical reinforcement that you need...not horizontal. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 19:27:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:41:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Dani Greer Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Spray Flux? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:39:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1999Dec21.103936.0> References: <<1999Dec20.15835.0>> Precedence: bulk Hey Dani: What a great idea! To spray flux on copper foil projects. I have just the bottle to do this, small with a fine mist nozzle. You should submit this idea to the flux manufacturer you use. Peggy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 19:40:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:15:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:13:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.171326.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "pj friend" >I do extra work in films.< What kinda films? Does Suzanne know about this??? LOL. ~ Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 20:11:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:51:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Tim Atwood Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:36:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.233615.0> References: <<1999Dec21.23735.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Tim, I am too far away to be considered for this, but I would encourage everyone to try tallow out. It is only slightly smoky, has a little smell, and is not known to have any of the drawbacks of chemical fluxes. It cleans easily from leaded projects during the finishing process, and will wash off copper foil projects with warm water and dish washing liquid. It is a great flux and should be widely used. I would have thought a cost comparable to the same weight of chemical fluxes would be appropriate. Steve In message <1999Dec21.23735.0@?>, Tim Atwood writes >Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in trying out pure tallow >blocks? A good friend is a sheep farmer and I know they have rendered there >own sheeps tallow in the past. I do not know if they have any left or if >they are willing to do it again. So I am not promissing anything, I just >want to know if there is interest before I ask them. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 20:33:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:54:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: tim@holtenwood.bc.ca, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:48:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec22.3484.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/21/1999 5:24:03 PM EST, tim@holtenwood.bc.ca writes: But if anyone is truly interested in the commercial type of tallow flux, I will send him one, for the low price of two bucks. Anne > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------- > Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in trying out pure tallow > blocks? A good friend is a sheep farmer and I know they have rendered there > own sheeps tallow in the past. I do not know if they have any left or if > they are willing to do it again. So I am not promissing anything, I just > want to know if there is interest before I ask them. > > Also, would any of you have any idea how much you would be willing to pay > for sheeps tallow (which at least for candles is one of the highest quality > tallows available from farmed animals). I know this friend complains about > the waste of throwing all that sheep fat away after they butcher. If they > thought there might be a market for the tallow in the future, they might be > a lot more likely to render some now and send out free samples for people to > try. > > (Just so you know, rendering tallow is a very time consuming and smelly > process. So they may be a little hesitant to just try it on a whim.) > > Also, even if they are interested, I am not sure it will be immediate. I > wish this discusion had come up about five weeks ago. That was butchering > time and we are a little late now. If they have already disposed of the fat > we are all going to be out of luck for another year. > > Despite all this, please answer if you think you might be interested. That > way I can pursue it with good information in hand. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) > by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:24:02 1900 > Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by rly-zd02. > mx.aol.com (v67.6) with ESMTP; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:23:40 -0500 > Received: by daver.bungi.com > via smail with stdio > id > for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:02:55 -0800 (PST) > (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) > X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim > From: "Tim Atwood" > To: "Bungi" > Content-Type: text/plain; > Subject: Re: Tallow flux > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:37:35 -0800 > Message-ID: <1999Dec21.23735.0> > References: <<1999Dec19.204348.0>> > Organization: Holtenwood Studios > Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 20:44:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:11:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:10:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.181030.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Prior to marriage I was very active in the theatre: acting, directing, stage managing, etc. I was a founding singer with the Baltimore Choral Arts Society, and the Baltimore Symphony Chorus, a mercenary in the army of God as a paid chorister or choir director in a number of Baltimore churches (including a stint as a boy soprano at the Episcopal cathedral), but don't have the time, energy, or voice left to continue singing. My basement is full of half done fiber arts and crafts (half knitted sweaters, half spun yarn, half done weavings, half done embroidery, etc.). I have painted furniture and paintings on furniture. I sewed (not because I liked it but to upholster my bod and for the kids). I have designed stage sets and done gazillians of posters. I have written a few songs. But aside from performing, I've never done anything so satisfying as stained glass. - Cecily Joseph Augusta wrote: I was at the sign shop making some neon tubing yesterday--and realized that many of you also have creative outlets other than stained glass---curious of what other media you work in.... Best wishes, Joseph -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 21:06:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:17:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.181337.0> References: <<1999Dec21.171326.0>> Precedence: bulk Would these be 'fantasy' type films, just all play stuff? ;) Tom From: "Dani Greer" Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? : Message text written by "pj friend" : >I do extra work in films.< : : What kinda films? Does Suzanne know : about this??? LOL. ~ Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 21:18:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:45:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Dani Greer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:44:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.164422.0> References: <<1999Dec21.171326.0>> Precedence: bulk rofl....Im not talkin' Suzanne Dani Greer wrote: > > Message text written by "pj friend" > >I do extra work in films.< > > What kinda films? Does Suzanne know > about this??? LOL. ~ Dani > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 21:21:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:26:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: tallow flux Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.181951.0> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Someone suggested that beeswax or petroleum wax got added to those tallow candles. Tallow itself, once rendered, poured into a mold and cooled should be a pretty firm substance. When I rubbed it on the lead, it acted very much as I would expect tallow to act - soft and a bit crumbly, and not at all like rubbing beeswax or petroleum wax. Beeswax would be smooth and tacky. Petroleum wax would skid. And tallow WAS the cheap candle for lighting, wasn't it? Beeswax being the high priced candle. Petroleum wax not even invented yet! -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 21:53:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:04:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Banjo pattern Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:18:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.18183.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Fellow Bungians: Okay, for the next challenge in patterns....anyone know where I could find a banjo pattern? I need it for a suncatcher and also for a panel lamp. Thanks a bunch...and everyone have a safe and happy holiday! Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 21 22:30:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:51:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: creative outlet Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:49:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec21.134948.0> Organization: weaver51@teleport.com Precedence: bulk GLASS!!!!! weaver51@teleport.com Elaine and Howard best lamps on the "net": http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 01:02:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:04:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:59:46 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec22.65946.0> Precedence: bulk Joseph, Although I sure can't compete with Tulsa Suzanne in her various pursuits, I spent times past painting in oils, drawing with charcoal or pen and ink, sewing, needlework and sculpture. It took home remodeling and the need to restore broken leaded glass windows to get me started in stained glass. My most creative media now is time manipulation, between raising kids, volunteer work, and meeting the deadlines for my glass. "They want it when???" (Now comes the creative excuse....) Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 04:23:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:05:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: csinet.net!stainedglasslamps From: "Stained Glass Lamps" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:02:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.2250.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF4C4A.8F664B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My wounder husband Arkie & myself (Mary) also do antique shows. We are = always looking for Greentown glass made back in 1894 - 1903. Chocolate, = colored, milk, clear, & holly amber. We buy to resale. Our first love = is each other. Our second love is working with stained glass & our = third is dealing in antiques. If you like to look up our web site it is = www.stainedglasslamps.com Thank you. Merry Christmas to all of you & a Happy New Year. Mary & Arkie ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF4C4A.8F664B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My wounder husband Arkie & myself (Mary) = also do=20 antique shows.  We are always looking for Greentown glass made back = in 1894=20 - 1903.  Chocolate, colored, milk, clear, & holly amber.  = We buy=20 to resale.  Our first love is each other.  Our second love is = working=20 with stained glass & our third is dealing in antiques.  If you = like to=20 look up our web site it is        www.stainedglasslamps.com
Thank you.  Merry Christmas to = all of you=20 & a Happy New Year.
Mary & Arkie
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF4C4A.8F664B80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 05:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:23:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stained Glass Quarterly Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:32:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.2329.0> Precedence: bulk Here's a preview of the Winter 1999 issue: http://stainedglass.org/main_pages/sglass.html Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 05:50:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:02:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Light Tables Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.512.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas, everyone! My husband has promised to build me a light table for Christmas- although if I get it in time for Valentine's Day I will consider myself lucky. Any recommendations on what is best to use on the top, and what type of light works best? I saw one somewhere that also worked as an easle, as the top was hinged. Is this a good Idea? Thanks in advance. I really love the advice I get here. I am in a rural area with not a lot of resources to draw from. By the way, I will be going to Vegas. YIPPEEE! Will I see many of you there? Gail in Nova Scotia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 07:33:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:35:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:34:42 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec22.143442.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/20/99 8:25:00 PM, jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net writes: >many of you also have creative outlets other than stained >glass---curious of what other media you work in.... Music - I'm a pro choral singer and occasionally get inspired to write something for use at my church (as often as not, it's both music and lyrics; I used to write a lot of poetry when I was younger). I've also done a lot of sewing and can never seem to use a pattern "as is" - I'll take the body shape from one, add the sleeves from another and the collar from another, etc. etc. Lately I've begun to take an interest in costuming (last year I made an "Italian Renaissance" outfit to wear on Xmas caroling gigs.... this year I really need to make one for my other half, and a Victorian one for me, and proper cloaks for both of us so we don't look like idiots running around in ski jackets over our garb when we have to sing outdoors.......). And of course I've made a few quilts out of the inevitable boxes and boxes of scraps......... Other than that....... some knitting, some embroidery, some cooking (these days it's mainly adapting recipes for a wheat-free diet), took classes in jewelry (silver & gold casting) and wheel-thrown pottery in college, would like to do some woodworking one of these days.......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 08:30:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:08:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Witchdoc3@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:07:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.4719.0> References: <<0.ea5b5347.25923b83@aol.com>> Precedence: bulk An imagination is a terrible thing to waste. :o) Suzanne Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/21/99 8:42:00 PM, thomm@vnet.net writes: > > >Can we hear more about the lover and distinct fantasies, please? ;) > > Ahhhhhhh, yes - Enquiring Minds want to know! > > Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 08:33:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:11:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:09:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.6931.0> References: <<1999Dec22.65946.0>> Precedence: bulk From: Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? ......... "They want it : when???" (Now comes the creative excuse....) : Ann Good one, Ann! Hahahaha!!! Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 09:03:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:44:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: att.net!r.wickline From: "Rebecca Wickline" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: creative outlets Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <19991222163528.LQRH28505@[12.79.196.163]> Precedence: bulk We seem to have a lot of creative people involved in glass. I seem to need a lot of creative outlets. I sew off and on. I have made everything from underwear to men's suits. I also picked up a wierd outlet. I belly dance so most of my sewing is now making my own costumes. We entertain in retirement homes and nursing homes so I guess I am also a volunteer. Gives a good feeling giving things back to the community and it gives my group a place to dance. Happy Holidays to all -- Becky in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 10:35:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:06:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: "bungi group" Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:02:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.7220.0> References: <<1999Dec21.181337.0>> Precedence: bulk There is tons of work in Philadelphia when they film. I just wait in line like the rest of the nuts. And maybe someday they will let me talk. pj Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "Dani Greer" Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? > Would these be 'fantasy' type films, just all play stuff? ;) > > Tom > > From: "Dani Greer" > Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? > > > : Message text written by "pj friend" > : >I do extra work in films.< > : > : What kinda films? Does Suzanne know > : about this??? LOL. ~ Dani > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 11:11:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Tom , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:12:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.61255.0> References: <<00f701bf4c9e$bfd4c7c0$a83152a6@v7a9r1>> Precedence: bulk Beautiful glass inspires. Just ask Vic, Sparks, and Suzanne Albright. I probably shouldnt say a whole lot on the subject as I dont know whether they have settled or not. Actually, Linda Modiano would be the real person to ask, but I bet Vic tries to steer her clear of us! ;o) I hear I may be in for a lot of beautiful Youghiogheny if I remember *correctly*! :o) Suzanne (think think think, she said tapping her head like pooh) Tom wrote: > > So Suzanne, > > You just do it with glass then, right? ;) > > Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 11:36:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:03:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:01:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.9144.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Awbaxter@aol.com >(Now comes the creative excuse....)< How about my fave: You can't rush good art. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 11:39:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:04:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Cecily and Ralph Wood Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.9139.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Cecily and Ralph Wood > have designed stage sets< Oh, I forgot about this, too! Michael and I have done set design and painting for about seven musical theater productions. Haven't done any in a couple of years, but will probably do our last for an original musical next year. We've also made tons of papier mache characters for the local = parade as well as a float complete with bucking bronco! All in our spare time, of course. Good grief, no wonder I have gray hair! Best, Dani Greer Greer GAllery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 11:44:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:32:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Howard" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: creative outlet Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:01:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.9142.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Howard" >GLASS!!!!!< Howard, you need a creative outlet so you're not so grumpy! ;-D Happy holidays, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 12:40:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:20:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "1Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Vincent Fox passes Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:15:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.41555.0> Precedence: bulk I just learned that Vincent L. Fox died on March 29, 1999. He is the author of *Glass Beveling* which is the premier book on that subject. Read more about this great artist and man at: http://stainedglass.org/main_pages/magazine_pages/fyipeop.html Bob in 92026 (who has a bevelers mark) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 13:10:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:43:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Light Tables Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:17:54 -0800 Message-ID: <199912221917.LAA17472@ark.com> Precedence: bulk > >Hi Gail....I built mine out of regular lumber/ plywood for the frame. Then I mounted it on a stand (ie: table etc.) and put a shelf under it for storing 'stuff'. All of this, I put on wheels (2 with locks that can be picked up at most building centers) so I can slide it away when not in use. I put 1/4 inch plate glass in the top...(removable by lifting out of its frame/ rabbit joint for cleaning etc.). I then used 2 @ 24 inch flourescent lights under the glass (wired to a central switch mounted on the side of the cabinet. I didn't sandblast or etch the glass, I just left it clear (a bit of west coast laziness here!) and it seems to work just fine. A matter of personal taste, I suppose. I also designed mine to have small table areas on each side (so I can cut there instead of on my glass etc. >That about does it....make up a list of everything you want to do with it prior to building as there is nothing worse than building as you go along and finding it should of been a bit bigger/ smaller/ higher/ lower etc. 'BEFORE' ya build. (Experience here--building an armoire for the bathroom and designing as I go along---Does that provide proof enough that I can't be trusted!!! :-) >Enjoy.....Wayne > > >>Merry Christmas, everyone! >>My husband has promised to build me a light table for Christmas- >>although if I get it in time for Valentine's Day I will consider myself >>lucky. Any recommendations on what is best to use on the top, and what >>type of light works best? I saw one somewhere that also worked as an >>easle, as the top was hinged. Is this a good Idea? >>Thanks in advance. I really love the advice I get here. I am in a rural >>area with not a lot of resources to draw from. >>By the way, I will be going to Vegas. YIPPEEE! Will I see many of you >>there? >>Gail in Nova Scotia >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address 2960 Suffield Road, Courtenay, B.C. Canada V9N-3V5 ICQ # 2762376 Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507 "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 13:23:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:57:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: LC Tiffany, a pauper? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:50:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.105041.0> Precedence: bulk Is this true? All this commotion over a guy who went bankrupt? This excerpt is from a history of stained glass: "... interest in opalescent glass waned and Tiffany remained its last defendant until his death in 1933 and the subsequent bankruptcy of his studios." Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 13:43:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:40:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: <199912222032.UAA15044@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I have used ordinary tallow flux for as long as I have done stained glass. It was the ONLY thing available to me when I first learnt. It is widely available at most glass merchants here. And yes, I took about 12-15 sticks out with me to USA for people to try and ended up having to ration them by cutting them up. I'll be happy to send some more to any of you I met while in USA to replenish what you have used up. I was also looking in ALL catalogs I could lay my hands on to see if tallow candles (as I know them) were available in USA and found only one supplier (which I wrote down SOMEWHERE...?) who had something approaching tallow sticks. The tallow we use, are just that; no beeswax or other chemicals added. They look just like a household candle without the wick, slightly yellow, and as Steve pointed out, they are slightly crumbly. I have not noticed that they smoke or smell. And yes they are easy to wash off the lead - often I can even just pick it off. It's easy to apply, just rub on gently over the joint. A small bit lasts a long way. A whole stick costs about USD.1.50. I have also used it for copper foil and have not noticed that it dissolves the adhesive backing. The backing - in any case, surely - is only there to help you work the c/f round the glass. I would not have thought that it had any structural purpose. The adhesive would become fairly defunct the minute you apply the hot soldering iron, ....no? Anyhow, tallow works for copperfoil also. The only reason why it should smell and smoke is if you put too much on. A gentle once- over rub is all that is needed. Another advantage with tallow is that it doesn't spit as liquid/gel fluxes do when you apply the iron.It's also quicker to use, doesn't need any brushes, applicators - ....OR spray bottles (sorry Dani - couldn't resist ;->). You can also see exactly how much you have put on and if you have forgotten a joint The ONLY disadvantage with tallow is that itis greasier and you need to clean your copperfoil work more carefully afterwards (or the patina won't take). On lead it doesn't matter so much, because the whiting helps to get the grease off and the polish I use for cleaning and polishing the lead, has a certain amount of grease in it anyway. Dani, have you still got some tallow left??? Carol? Leonore? .Cecily? ....? I would most certainly recommend tallow and if Tim Attwood has made the offer to have some lambs fat rendered, I would certainly have taken it up, had I lived in the USA. Smell?? No more so than roast lamb.....! Best Wishes Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Tim, I am too far away to be considered for this, but I would encourage everyone to try tallow out. It is only slightly smoky, has a little smell, and is not known to have any of the drawbacks of chemical fluxes. It cleans easily from leaded projects during the finishing process, and will wash off copper foil projects with warm water and dish washing liquid. It is a great flux and should be widely used. I would have thought a cost comparable to the same weight of chemical fluxes would be appropriate. Steve In message <1999Dec21.23735.0@?>, Tim Atwood writes >Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in trying out pure tallow >blocks? A good friend is a sheep farmer and I know they have rendered there >own sheeps tallow in the past. I do not know if they have any left or if >they are willing to do it again. So I am not promissing anything, I just >want to know if there is interest before I ask them. -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 13:47:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:40:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: "The Night Before Y2K" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: <199912222032.UAA15034@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Thanks for the reminder Mary!! It also takes longer to download (as does poor editing) which cost some of us more money, since we pay our phonebills per minute... Take care now Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Please folks, remember your netiquette and post to email lists in PLAIN TEXT only. Fancy formatting comes through as gibberish to many mail readers. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 13:49:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:40:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com, Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: <199912222032.UAA15040@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk When I'm not doing glass - or bringing up puppies - I enjoy bottling fruit and making home-wine (my apple wine is MEAN!!). I am being introduced to the finer details of wood-working right now and am in the process of redecorating my cottage, as well as re- furbishing a new workroom in the cottage next door (acquired earlier on this autumn). I take part in the local history group and am otherwise keen village committee member. I'm also a keen photographer. The last couple of weeks I have been writing my "round robin" Christmas letter which I have just put the finishing touches to. This has been something I have done for the last 20 - 25 years which gets sent to friends and family in far-flung places.... and this year will also go to my lovely hosts in USA. The first photos of Meric Monterey are ready. I would like to share them with the rest of you, but won't post his pictures into Bungi. Please let me know if you are interested and I send you an e-mail attachment off-group. He has doubled in size this last month and to call him extrovert is an understatement. He has also managed to totally charm Toby.... I wish you All a Very Merry Christmas and a Prosperous Millennium! Elisabeth 'n Toby ('n Meric) in UK In a message dated 12/20/99 8:25:00 PM, jaugusta@ply.adelphia.net writes: >many of you also have creative outlets other than stained >glass---curious of what other media you work in.... Music - I'm a pro choral singer and occasionally get inspired to write something for use at my church (as often as not, it's both music and lyrics; I used to write a lot of poetry when I was younger). I've also done a lot of sewing and can never seem to use a pattern "as is" - I'll take the body shape from one, add the sleeves from another and the collar from another, etc. etc. Lately I've begun to take an interest in costuming (last year I made an "Italian Renaissance" outfit to wear on Xmas caroling gigs.... this year I really need to make one for my other half, and a Victorian one for me, and proper cloaks for both of us so we don't look like idiots running around in ski jackets over our garb when we have to sing outdoors.......). And of course I've made a few quilts out of the inevitable boxes and boxes of scraps......... Other than that....... some knitting, some embroidery, some cooking (these days it's mainly adapting recipes for a wheat-free diet), took classes in jewelry (silver & gold casting) and wheel-thrown pottery in college, would like to do some woodworking one of these days.......... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 13:58:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:40:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:31:26 -0000 Message-ID: <199912222032.UAA15027@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk I am delighted to hear the Party of the Year was such a success, and that Emeraldine, Pierre and Jacques are in such fine fettle (Cecily, you have really missed out on the Saga of Emeraldine and Pierre over the years.... I think I might have the first chapter still in my "Bungibio file"). Suzanne, I'm not quite sure if puce would suit you, dear! But maybe it may help to realize your fantasies ;-> You also being pint-size, I fear you might drown Elisabeth 'n Toby (drowning in wet smelly newspapers) in UK I just want Emeraldine's old clothes! :o) suzanne > > PPPS - I do hope Bungi's conservationists are gathering together the Life > and Letters of Pierre and Emeraldine, Snhr. Jay Jay and the rest of the > Panesville crowd. I've only just met and known them for 3 or 4 months, so > I have missed months or even years of their saga. > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 14:16:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:14:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Bob Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Vincent Fox passes Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.111157.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Bob Duchesneau" >I just learned that Vincent L. Fox died on March 29, 1999. He is the author of *Glass Beveling* which is the premier book on that subject. Read more about this great artist and man at: < And speaking of Vincents, Vince O'Brien also passed away. Vince wrote the stained glass book that dealt primarily with dalle de verre. = Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 15:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:35:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Re: Crash test dummy! Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.123341.0> References: <<1999Dec21.74737.0>> Precedence: bulk Would anyone be suprised to learn that I USED to write for confession magazines (some of you know that), but there hasn't been time in my life for glass and writing (I think the times when Emeraldine takes over my brain is the writer in me screaming to get out, because I know it's still there.) Dorothy Joseph Augusta wrote: > Ah! The computer crashed and I lost all the responses from the "other > creative outlets" post--and here I was planning to write you all a > holiday poem--- about the quilters and bakers, writers, song makers-- > singers, clay artisans, potters, wood-workingmans-- administrators and > furniture painters-----and now I can't! > > best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 15:21:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:53:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Rebecca Wickline" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: creative outlets Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:48:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.124841.0> References: <<19991222163528.LQRH28505@[12.79.196.163]>> Precedence: bulk Rebecca, Do I dare ask in what particular items you've made for yourself that you dance? I love the sound, and look!, of belly dancers! ;)) Tom From: "Rebecca Wickline" : We seem to have a lot of creative people involved in glass. I seem to : need a lot of creative outlets. I sew off and on. I have made everything : from underwear to men's suits. I also picked up a wierd outlet. I belly : dance so most of my sewing is now making my own costumes. : We entertain in retirement homes and nursing homes so I guess I am also : a volunteer. Gives a good feeling giving things back to the community and : it gives my group a place to dance. : Happy Holidays to all : -- Becky in Va. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 15:31:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:38:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Did Howard make a *typo*? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.123641.0> References: <<1999Dec22.9142.0>> Precedence: bulk Dani, Are you sure his remark, "GLASS!!!!!" wasn't just a *typo*??? Tom ;)) From: "Dani Greer" To: "Howard" Subject: creative outlet : Message text written by "Howard" : >GLASS!!!!!< : : Howard, you need a creative outlet so : you're not so grumpy! ;-D : : Happy holidays, : : Dani Greer : Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 15:37:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: X - Files Christmas Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:03:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.13322.0> Precedence: bulk *X-Files Christmas 24. December 1999 - 57 Elm Street, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania - 11:51 PM Scully, we're too late. It's already been here. Mulder, I hope you know what you're doing. Look, Scully, just like the other homes: Douglas fir truncated, mounted, transformed into a shrine; halls decked with bows of holly; stocking hung by the chimney with care. You really think someone's been here? Someone, or something. Mulder, over here, It's fruitcake Don't touch it! Those things can be lethal! There's a note attached: "gonna find out who's naughty and nice." It's judging them, Scully. It's making a list. Who? What are you talking about? Ancient mythology tells of an obese humanoid entity who could travel at great speed in a craft powered by antlered servants. Once each year just after the winter solstice, this creature is said to descend from the heavens to reward its followers and punish disbelievers with jagged chunks of anthracite. But that's legend, Mulder, a story told by parents to frighten children. Surely you don't believe it? Something was here tonight, Scully. Check out the bite marks on this gingerbread man. Whatever tore through this plate of cookies was massive-and in a hurry. It left crumbs everywhere. And look, Mulder this milk glass has been completely drained. It gorged itself, Scully. It fed without remorse. But why would they leave it milk and cookies? Appeasement. Tonight is the Eve, and nothing can stop its wilding. But if this thing does exist, how did it get in? The doors and windows were locked. There's no sign of forced entry. Unless I miss my guess, it came through the fireplace. Wait a minute, Mulder. If you're saying some huge creature landed on the roof and came down this chimney, you're crazy. The flue is barely six inches wide, nothing could get through there. But what if it could alter its shape, move in all directions at once? You mean, like a bowl full of jelly? Exactly. ...Scully, I've never told anyone this but when I was a child my home was visited. I saw the creature. It had long white shanks of fur surrounding its ruddy, misshaped head. Its bloated torso was red and white. I'll never forget the horror. I turned away and, when I looked back, it had somehow taken on the facial features of my father. Impossible. I know what I saw. And that night, it read my mind. It brought me a Mr. Potato Head, Scully. It knew that I wanted a Mr. Potato Head. I'm sorry, Mulder, but you're asking me to disregard the laws of physics. You want me to believe in some supernatural being who soars across the skies and brings gifts to good little girls and boys. Listen to what you're saying. Do you understand the repercussions? If this gets out they'll close the X-files. Scully, listen to me: It knows when you're sleeping. It knows when you're awake. But we have no proof. Last year on this exact date, SETI radio telescopes detected a bogey in the airspace over twenty seven states. The white House ordered a condition red. But that was a meteor shower. Officially. Two days ago eight prized Scandinavian reindeer vanished from the National Zoo in Washington D.C. Nobody-not even the zoo keeper was told about it. The government doesn't want people to know about Project Kringle. They fear that if this thing is proved to exist the public will stop spending half its annual income in a holiday shopping frenzy. Retail markets will collapse. Scully, they cannot let the world believe this creature lives. There's too much at stake.. They'll do what ever it takes to insure another silent night. Mulder... Sh-h-h. Do you hear what I hear? On the roof. It sounds like ... a clatter The truth is up there. Let's see what's the matter.... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 15:49:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:41:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:01:07 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.1017.0> References: <<199912222032.UAA15044@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk I've enjoyed using what you gave me Elisabeth. If it smells at all, I like the smell. Beats the heck out of the way canfield flux smells. Im ready for another *longer* class with you. Thanks so much for everything. Suzanne Toby wrote: _Snip city_ > The tallow we use, are just that; no beeswax or other chemicals > added. They look just like a household candle without the wick, > slightly yellow, and as Steve pointed out, they are slightly > crumbly. I have not noticed that they smoke or smell. And yes they > are easy to wash off the lead - often I can even just pick it off. It's > easy to apply, just rub on gently over the joint. A small bit lasts a ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 16:19:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:34:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:29:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.132919.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >The backing - in any case, surely - is only there to help = you work the c/f round the glass. I would not have thought that it = had any structural purpose. The adhesive would become fairly = defunct the minute you apply the hot soldering iron, ....no? < YES! And if that doesn't do it, the adhesive is = history once it dries up which can be months to years depending on the climate you're in. The adhesive is meant to be temporary... good soldering meaning solder flowing down between the pieces of glass to form a matrix- this is what holds a copper foil piece together. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 16:23:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:34:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:29:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.132924.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Toby" >OR spray bottles (sorry Dani - = couldn't resist ;->). < Yes, but it takes forever to apply when you're talking a copper foil window with 900 pieces of glass.... ugh! For that = matter, it's quicker to soak a sponge = with flux and wipe it all over the glass. The spray bottle takes about five seconds max.... with the advantage that you don't move your glass pieces around much. Best, DAni Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 16:39:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:40:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.124434.0> References: <<1999Dec22.9144.0>> Precedence: bulk From: "Dani Greer" : Message text written by INTERNET:Awbaxter@aol.com : >(Now comes the creative excuse....)< : : How about my fave: You can't rush good art. : : Best, : Dani Greer Dani, My 'fave' I used to spout whenever those "management types with the clipboards" would complain about things not being finished *NOW!* would be to just calmly say: "Take it easy. Qaulity takes time." That usually sent them ballistic! I always used to tell those working with me that "The company can't screw with you for doing quality work, but they can fire you for poor work." I think that should always be the case. But in today's world, driven by the 'daytime traders' who try to shake loose all the "loose change" as *investors* whom the Board of Directors "must please", I could possibly get fired. Good thing I don't 'work' anymore. And that too, is not my fault. Tom ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 16:48:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:41:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Toby , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:12:29 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.111229.0> References: <<199912222032.UAA15027@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk Isnt Puce that funky green color? Pink works better. :o) Suzanne Toby wrote: > > I am delighted to hear the Party of the Year was such a success, > and that Emeraldine, Pierre and Jacques are in such fine fettle > (Cecily, you have really missed out on the Saga of Emeraldine and > Pierre over the years.... I think I might have the first chapter still in > my "Bungibio file"). > > Suzanne, I'm not quite sure if puce would suit you, dear! But > maybe it may help to realize your fantasies ;-> > You also being pint-size, I fear you might drown > > Elisabeth 'n Toby (drowning in wet smelly newspapers) in UK > > I just want Emeraldine's old clothes! :o) > > suzanne > > > > > PPPS - I do hope Bungi's conservationists are gathering together the Life > > and Letters of Pierre and Emeraldine, Snhr. Jay Jay and the rest of the > > Panesville crowd. I've only just met and known them for 3 or 4 months, so > > I have missed months or even years of their saga. > > > > -- > > ********************************************************************* > > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > > ********************************************************************* > > ---- > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > ---- > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 16:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:44:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: LC Tiffany, a pauper? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.132917.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >Is this true? All this commotion over a guy who went bankrupt? This excerpt is from a history of stained glass:< Well, I wouldn't say HE went bankrupt, though the glass studio did... finally. Tiffany & Co. of jewelry = and collectibles fame is much in existence to this = day. LC was very much involved in that enterprise as well... when Papa was alive and after. I wouldn't say he is famous for bankrupting a company, but rather for furthering American glass by every means available to him... money, connections, good employees, you name it. And he, along with John LaFarge, helped promote opalescent/American glass in Europe. Not that they cared for it much really... it's popularity there is really more recent. I was almost amused to hear of "Tiffany Glaskunst" in Germany having grown up there. ;-) Nobody over there had heard of Tiffany 30 years ago. Heck, I didn't know who Tiffany was 30 years ago! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 17:14:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:33:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Family Account Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Re: Crash test dummy! Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:25:08 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.11258.0> References: <<1999Dec22.123341.0>> Precedence: bulk Not at all (probably because you told me at glass visions). Im still waiting for autographed copies. I want all the Emeraldine books. I aspire to be her someday! T Suzanne Family Account wrote: > > Would anyone be suprised to learn that I USED to write for confession > magazines (some of you know that), but there hasn't been time in my life > for glass and writing (I think the times when Emeraldine takes over my > brain is the writer in me screaming to get out, because I know it's still > there.) > Dorothy > > Joseph Augusta wrote: > > > Ah! The computer crashed and I lost all the responses from the "other > > creative outlets" post--and here I was planning to write you all a > > holiday poem--- about the quilters and bakers, writers, song makers-- > > singers, clay artisans, potters, wood-workingmans-- administrators and > > furniture painters-----and now I can't! > > > > best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 20:22:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:36:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pd.jaring.my!shakabe From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "bungi" , "Bob Duchesneau" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Vincent Fox passes Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:54:41 +0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.185441.0> References: <<1999Dec22.41555.0>> Precedence: bulk Dear Bob Thanks for the information. It was sad to hear it. I have really enjoyed the book that you sent me. And I hjad always hoped that one day I would get to meet this great man. Thanks & Warm Regards Shakeel Abedi Rainbow Stained Glass 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Malaysia Te: 07-7722212 Fax: 07-7733313 shakeel@pd.jaring.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 20:30:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:50:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: netaxs.com!maruca From: maruca@netaxs.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: LC Tiffany, a pauper? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:47:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1999Dec22.174719.0> References: <<1999Dec22.105041.0>> Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Joseph Augusta wrote: > Is this true? All this commotion over a guy who went bankrupt? This > excerpt is from a history of stained glass: > > "... interest in opalescent glass waned and Tiffany remained its last > defendant until his death in 1933 and the subsequent bankruptcy of his > studios." Hmmmmm. Could one of the historians in the group put this bankruptcy in a time frame context? If I have learned my history correctly, it seems I recall 1933 to be one of the worst years of the Great Depression. I'd love a list of other prestigous firms which also were forced under by the depression, just to see if I'm right in thinking that the glass company was a victim of the economic hardships of the times. Mary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 21:29:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:37:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: X GLASS: To Santa from Mom Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.183430.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Santa: I've been a good Mom all year. I've fed, cleaned, and cuddled my two children on demand, visited the doctor's office more than my doctor, sold sixty-two cases of candy bars to raise money to plant a shade tree on the school playground and figured out how to attach nine patches onto my daughter's girl scout sash with staples and a glue gun. I was hoping you could spread my list out over several Christmases, since I had to write this letter with my son's red crayon, on the back of a receipt in the laundry room between cycles, and who knows when I'll find anymore free time in the next 18 years. Here are my Christmas wishes: I'd like a pair of legs that don't ache after a day of chasing kids (in any color, except purple, which I already have) and arms that don't flap in the breeze, but are strong enough to carry a screaming toddler out of the candy aisle in the grocery store. I'd also like a waist, since I lost mine somewhere in the seventh month of my last pregnancy. If you're hauling big ticket items this year I'd like a car with fingerprint resistant windows and a radio that only plays adult music; a television that doesn't broadcast any programs containing talking animals; and a refrigerator with a secret compartment behind the crisper where I can hide to talk on the phone. On the practical side, I could use a talking daughter doll that says, "Yes,Mommy" to boost my parental confidence, along with one potty-trained toddler, two kids who don't fight, and three pairs of jeans that will zip all the way up without the use of power tools. I could also use a recording of Tibetan monks chanting, "Don't eat in the living room" and 'Take your hands off your brother,' because my voice seems to be just out of my children's hearing range and can only be heard by the dog. And please don't forget the Playdoh Travel Pack, the hottest stocking stuffer this year for mothers of preschoolers. It comes in three fluorescent colors and is guaranteed to crumble on any carpet making the In-laws' house seem just like mine. If it's too late to find any of these products, I'd settle for enough time to brush my teeth and comb my hair in the same morning, or the luxury of eating food warmer than room temperature without it being served in a Styrofoam container. If you don't mind I could also use a few Christmas miracles to brighten the holiday season. Would it be too much trouble to declare ketchup a vegetable? It will clear my conscience immensely. It would be helpful if you could coerce my children to help around the house without demanding payment as if they were the bosses of an organized crime family; or if my toddler didn't look so cute sneaking downstairs to eat contraband ice cream in his pajamas at midnight. Well, Santa, the buzzer on the dryer is ringing and my son saw my feet under the laundry room door. I think he wants his crayon back. Have a safe trip and remember to leave your wet boots by the chimney and come in and dry off by the fire so you don't catch cold. Help yourself to cookies on the table, but don't eat too many or leave crumbs on the carpet. Yours Always...Mom PS One more thing...you can cancel all my requests if you can keep my children young enough to believe in Santa. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 22 23:34:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:11:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Gail HeinzeMiline , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Light Tables Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.21820.0> References: <<1999Dec22.512.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I use a Morton Board on the top of mine - draw on it when the flat side is up, and cut on it when the grid side is up. I've been told that the "grow" lights are very good - my husband just used regular flourescent. You can get all but the lights, I think, from Morton, which of course also uses the Morton Board as the surface. You can buy a small one from Inland, but it is WAY small, not good for much, I think. Mine's at least 2 feet deep, and my husband just cobbled it out of old stuff lying around. We painted the inside white, on the hope that that would bounce more light . It's big, heavy and clunky, but I'd been yearning for a light table for eons so I'm happy! Gail HeinzeMiline wrote: > Merry Christmas, everyone! > My husband has promised to build me a light table for Christmas- > although if I get it in time for Valentine's Day I will consider myself > lucky. Any recommendations on what is best to use on the top, and what > type of light works best? I saw one somewhere that also worked as an > easle, as the top was hinged. Is this a good Idea? > Thanks in advance. I really love the advice I get here. I am in a rural > area with not a lot of resources to draw from. > By the way, I will be going to Vegas. YIPPEEE! Will I see many of you > there? > Gail in Nova Scotia > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 00:33:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:05:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Suzanne Gunn , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:47:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.214738.0> References: <<1999Dec22.111229.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk No actually puce is a putrid yellow brown and came to popularity at the French court - it was supposed to be the color of a flea. Honest to gawd, I kid you not!!! ;-) - Cec Suzanne Gunn wrote: > Isnt Puce that funky green color? Pink works better. :o) > > Suzanne > > Toby wrote: > > > > I am delighted to hear the Party of the Year was such a success, > > and that Emeraldine, Pierre and Jacques are in such fine fettle > > (Cecily, you have really missed out on the Saga of Emeraldine and > > Pierre over the years.... I think I might have the first chapter still in > > my "Bungibio file"). > > > > Suzanne, I'm not quite sure if puce would suit you, dear! But > > maybe it may help to realize your fantasies ;-> > > You also being pint-size, I fear you might drown > > > > Elisabeth 'n Toby (drowning in wet smelly newspapers) in UK > > > > I just want Emeraldine's old clothes! :o) > > > > suzanne > > > > > > > > PPPS - I do hope Bungi's conservationists are gathering together the Life > > > and Letters of Pierre and Emeraldine, Snhr. Jay Jay and the rest of the > > > Panesville crowd. I've only just met and known them for 3 or 4 months, so > > > I have missed months or even years of their saga. > > > > > > -- > > > ********************************************************************* > > > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > > > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > > > ********************************************************************* > > > > ---- > > As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" > > North Lights Stained Glass - homepage > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm > > ---- > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 05:34:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 05:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pacbell.net!ezbongo2 From: rrk To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Vincent Fox passes Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 05:29:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec22.212955.0> References: <<1999Dec22.41555.0@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I just learned that Vincent L. Fox died on March 29, 1999. He is the author > of *Glass Beveling* which is the premier book on that subject. Read more > about this great artist and man at: > > http://stainedglass.org/main_pages/magazine_pages/fyipeop.html Hi Bob, Thanks for the info and the URL. I do not have the bevelers mark myself, nor am I likely to get it (one can't do everything) but I can appreciate that fellow Vincent Fox, what he did, and how he went about it. I especially like the following passage. <<<<<<<<<<<<< Dad's philosophy in glass was the same as in life: always do your best. If it needs to be redone, then re-do it. Don't compromise, don't give into "that's good enough." Work until you have produced your best effort. Remember how impressed you've been to see a woodworker's craft as beautifully executed on the inside as on the outside. This is the mark of a true craftsman. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Though he expressed it differently, this is similar to my own way of doing things (as my former students can testify). I was kind of known as a "hard ass", , back in the days when I was a prof. "Do it right, the first time and everytime, or get out of my lab and go somewhere else. There are too many things going on and too little time to do it to put up with sloppy work. Sloppy work wastes time because the work has to be redone, and time is the most valuable thing in the known universe since no one can buy more time." ... I said all that very often. I'm still that way. Also, the following ...... <<<<<<<<<<<< Dad firmly believed in a solid foundation. Study the past, study the history of stained glass and read, read, read. Glean all you can from the work that has gone before you, hold it in high esteem, but remember that the "old timers" made mistakes, too. Seek them out and improve upon them, don't blindly repeat them. "Because that's the way it has always been done," is not, in itself, a good reason to do it that way. Question everything, test everything, listen and learn. Then proceed, knowing you can only flourish if you are always open to learning. >>>>>>>>>>>> .... is indicative of a very good attitude. I would add that, especially in a craft like glassworking, things are done the way they are for a reason, usually because things actually WORK when done in the "time-tested" manner ... and one should find out what that reason is. With so many new materials, methods, and machines available now, that reason may no longer be valid, there may be (sometimes are) better ways of doing things, but one needs to know what the reason for doing things the old way is BEFORE one tries to do things in a new way. [As an aside, I note that in the last round of the Great Bandsaw Debate there were many replies, some quite impassioned (and rather misguided IMO), though, as I predicted, no one changed their mind on the subject. Perhaps we should drop the subject entirely for the foreseeable future?] **************************** Bob ... I have no doubt that you are an excellent worker, certainly you know a lot of things about glassworking. You express yourself well with language, clear and succinct. You seem to be a patient but demanding type of fellow. Now that your own teacher is gone, maybe its your turn to step up to the plate and teach some others how its done? I'd bet cash money you'd be an excellent teacher (and this is coming from a former teacher), particularly on a 1-1 basis. Just an idea/suggestion ... maybe you're already doing this. Best regards to you ... and Happy holidays to all the Bungians. May the Maker of the Universe fill your spirit with life and illuminate your home with light now and always. Bob (in 95014) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 08:03:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:41:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ctronsoft.com!vmodiano From: "Modiano, Victor" To: 'bungi' Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:39:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.53945.0> Precedence: bulk Elisabeth, Puce is just Emeraldine's choice of glass colour for 4-D sculptures. I was fortunate enough to attend the gala and my sympathies to any who missed it. Emeraldine's gown was a delightful mix of shade that would suit Suzanne to a T. (Pun intended.) Pierre's outfit was also elegant and complemented his escorts faultlessly. The 4-D sculpture was beyond belief and well beyond my abilities to describe in English. Vic M. PS I want pictures of Meric and Toby. -----Original Message----- From: Toby [mailto:toby@northlights.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 3:31 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's I am delighted to hear the Party of the Year was such a success, and that Emeraldine, Pierre and Jacques are in such fine fettle (Cecily, you have really missed out on the Saga of Emeraldine and Pierre over the years.... I think I might have the first chapter still in my "Bungibio file"). Suzanne, I'm not quite sure if puce would suit you, dear! But maybe it may help to realize your fantasies ;-> You also being pint-size, I fear you might drown Elisabeth 'n Toby (drowning in wet smelly newspapers) in UK I just want Emeraldine's old clothes! :o) suzanne > > PPPS - I do hope Bungi's conservationists are gathering together the Life > and Letters of Pierre and Emeraldine, Snhr. Jay Jay and the rest of the > Panesville crowd. I've only just met and known them for 3 or 4 months, so > I have missed months or even years of their saga. > > -- > ********************************************************************* > * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood > * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) > ********************************************************************* ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 09:02:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:33:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Didya' know? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:03:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.6350.0> Precedence: bulk I'm sure the pros on the list know this but it's something I just found out today--but when dealing with my Appalachian (massive peaks and valleys) soldering on lead came, I've found that if the joint is filed down flat it magically disappears! Totally invisible! Is this an established technique---and is any technical information available here? Best wishes, joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 10:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:32:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: bellatlantic.net!elsiemt From: elsie turqman To: glass Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------88048A9D32964C9923C6C7A6" Subject: NG Friendship Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.21747.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------88048A9D32964C9923C6C7A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holiday greeting to all on Bungi I hope this story will remind all of us that we can improve our relationships. Elsie > > For my friends and family... > There once was a little boy who had a bad temper. His Father gave him > a bag of nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, he > must hammer a nail into the back of the fence. The first day the boy > had driven 37 nails into the fence. Over the next few weeks, as he > learned to control his anger, the number of nails hammered daily > gradually dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold his > temper than to drive those nails into the fence. > Finally the day came when the boy didn't lose his temper at all. He > told his father about it and the father suggested that the boy now > pull out one nail for each day that he was able to hold his temper. > The days passed and the young boy was finally able to tell his father > that all the nails were gone. The father took his son by the hand and > led him to the fence. He said, "You have done well, my son, but look > at the holes in the fence. The fence will never be the same. When you > say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one. You can put > a knife in a man and draw it out. It won't matter how many times you > say I'm sorry, the wound is still there." > A verbal wound is as bad as a physical one. Friends are a very rare > jewel indeed. They make you smile and encourage you to succeed. They > lend an ear, they share words of praise and they always want to open > their hearts to us." > > It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care. > Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND, even if it means sending > back > to the person who sent it to you. If it comes back to you, then you'll > know > you have a circle of friends. > > HAPPY FRIENDSHIP WEEK TO YOU!!!!!! > YOU ARE MY FRIEND AND I AM HONORED! > Now send this to every friend you have!! And to your family. > This was sent to me by a friend, and is now passed on to YOU. > Please forgive me if I have ever left a hole in your > fence................... > > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Why pay more to get Web access? > Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! > Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------88048A9D32964C9923C6C7A6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from mail7.bellatlantic.net ([207.68.32.38]) by immta2.bellatlantic.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991222213402.QNBB24883.immta2@mail7.bellatlantic.net> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:34:02 -0500 Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.197]) by mail7.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20159 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ftj1@juno.com) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EUGMLWKJ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:25:15 EST To: apetej@bellsouth.net, davernj@netzero.net, BVL1@worldnet.att.net, CSTONE@GATE.NET, NPB2@PRODIGY.NET, DUNTJR@aol.com, ELSIEMT@BELLATLANTIC.NET, Hester@Bard.edu, JADORN@EARTHLINK.NET, GOLFMG@juno.com, CKJ1@GATEWAY.NET, HDS5@valstar.net, lawyer@capital.net, DHickey@webtv.com, cathygkosb@aol.com, Domjeanmorris@mindspring.com, Maritimesage@netzero.net, nassidaj@EARTHLINK.NET Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:07:40 -0500 Subject: Friendship Message-ID: <19991222.162228.11502.3.ftj1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-41 From: Fred T Johnson For my friends and family... There once was a little boy who had a bad temper. His Father gave him a bag of nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, he must hammer a nail into the back of the fence. The first day the boy had driven 37 nails into the fence. Over the next few weeks, as he learned to control his anger, the number of nails hammered daily gradually dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold his temper than to drive those nails into the fence. Finally the day came when the boy didn't lose his temper at all. He told his father about it and the father suggested that the boy now pull out one nail for each day that he was able to hold his temper. The days passed and the young boy was finally able to tell his father that all the nails were gone. The father took his son by the hand and led him to the fence. He said, "You have done well, my son, but look at the holes in the fence. The fence will never be the same. When you say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one. You can put a knife in a man and draw it out. It won't matter how many times you say I'm sorry, the wound is still there." A verbal wound is as bad as a physical one. Friends are a very rare jewel indeed. They make you smile and encourage you to succeed. They lend an ear, they share words of praise and they always want to open their hearts to us." It's National Friendship Week. Show your friends how much you care. Send this to everyone you consider a FRIEND, even if it means sending back to the person who sent it to you. If it comes back to you, then you'll know you have a circle of friends. HAPPY FRIENDSHIP WEEK TO YOU!!!!!! YOU ARE MY FRIEND AND I AM HONORED! Now send this to every friend you have!! And to your family. This was sent to me by a friend, and is now passed on to YOU. Please forgive me if I have ever left a hole in your fence................... --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------88048A9D32964C9923C6C7A6-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 10:25:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:47:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bob Duchesneau , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Vincent Fox passes Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:47:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.74718.0> References: <<1999Dec22.41555.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk I'm sure this more than labels me as still too new to glass, but what is a beveler's mark? - Cec Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I just learned that Vincent L. Fox died on March 29, 1999. He is the author > of *Glass Beveling* which is the premier book on that subject. Read more > about this great artist and man at: > > http://stainedglass.org/main_pages/magazine_pages/fyipeop.html > > Bob in 92026 (who has a bevelers mark) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 11:07:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:30:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "1Bungi" , "Dani Greer" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: New saw Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:25:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.22543.0> Precedence: bulk I have been reading about a new diamond saw that the Gryphon people will be introducing to the market sometime in the coming year. As I understand it, a diamond coated wire several inches long saws glass by moving up and down. It can be threaded through a hole to start cutting. Having less working surface than band or ring saws the new blades will, no doubt, wear out sooner but they are expected to be much cheaper. So, if the great saw debate has kept you on the sidelines, it might be good to wait a bit longer. Bob in 92026 -----Original Message----- From: Dani Greer To: rrk Cc: Bob Duchesneau Date: Thursday, December 23, 1999 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Vincent Fox passes Message text written by rrk >[As an aside, I note that in the last round of the Great Bandsaw Debate there were many replies, some quite impassioned (and rather misguided IMO), though, as I predicted, no one changed their mind on the subject. Perhaps we should drop the subject entirely for the foreseeable future?] < It is by opening our theories to public debate that we test them, no? I say let the debate rage on until we have proof. I do believe there are most always better ways of doing just about anything... in this debate, I just don't believe the current alternative is IT. Time will tell. Happy Holy Days to all, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 12:32:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:17:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele S" To: GreerStudios@compuserve.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:10:04 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec23.9104.0> Precedence: bulk >The spray bottle takes about five seconds >max.... with the advantage that you don't >move your glass pieces around much.> Dani~ I have never sprayed flux on a piece but can see it as efficient. How do you do that? Michele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 13:32:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:04:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass selection Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:03:35 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.9335.0> Precedence: bulk I need some help with skin tones. There is an idea Ive had for quite a while for a panel that would require multi ethnic skin tones. Help please? Suzanne in Tulsa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 13:59:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:09:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Joseph Augusta Subject: Re: Didya' know? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:00:39 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.18039.0> References: <<1999Dec23.6350.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Boy! you are going to get a lot of mail on this one, Joseph. You don't have to have the peaks. In fact you shouldn't have. The appropriate technique will leave you with flat soldering on the joints. It relates to a minimum amount of solder to do the job, and the appropriate length of time heat is applied to the joint. Lifting off before the solder has had a chance to "join" with the lead calme, will give peaks. You should see the solder flowing out from under the solder bit, before you lift off the iron. It is much easier to show than to describe (th4e above is not an attempt to describe!). I am looking forward to the replies you get on this one. Best wishes, Steve In message <1999Dec23.6350.0@?>, Joseph Augusta writes >I'm sure the pros on the list know this but it's something I just found >out today--but when dealing with my Appalachian (massive peaks and >valleys) soldering on lead came, I've found that if the joint is filed >down flat it magically disappears! Totally invisible! Is this an >established technique---and is any technical information available here? > >Best wishes, >joseph > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 14:01:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:31:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: bellsouth.net!tidwell2 From: Rita Tidwell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: flux Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.111623.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to try spraying flux. I changed to gel and get a smoother job but wish to try a liquid to spray. Can anyone recommend a brand and would a mister work? Thanks, Rita ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 14:33:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:45:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Joseph Augusta" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Didya' know? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.113911.0> References: <<1999Dec23.6350.0>> Precedence: bulk Joseph, Just my opinion, but I believe that if you flatten a joint, you also weakened it substantially. When you weld metals together you want 'penetration'. A cold weld does not penetrate and just remains on the surface and looking at it you would think it was 'strong', it isn't. I think a weak solder joint would be one that had little penetration. Looks good, but I think it would be weak. A better 'solution' could be a more even slightly elevated mound of solder which would hold a lot better. Tom : I'm sure the pros on the list know this but it's something I just found : out today--but when dealing with my Appalachian (massive peaks and : valleys) soldering on lead came, I've found that if the joint is filed : down flat it magically disappears! Totally invisible! Is this an : established technique---and is any technical information available here? : : Best wishes, : joseph : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 14:39:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:54:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: detroit.sgi.com!taddiken From: Russ Taddiken To: 1Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New saw Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.10415.0> References: <<1999Dec23.22543.0>> Precedence: bulk Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I have been reading about a new diamond saw that the Gryphon people will be > introducing to the market sometime in the coming year. > > As I understand it, a diamond coated wire several inches long saws glass by > moving up and down. It can be threaded through a hole to start cutting. As a woodworker this saw type is refered to as a scroll saw, very very precise. I am looking forward to trying one out on glass. > > > Having less working surface than band or ring saws the new blades will, no > doubt, wear out sooner but they are expected to be much cheaper. I have heard that the expected price per blade is about $7 which is great, but ecpect to break a few until you get used to the saw. > > > So, if the great saw debate has kept you on the sidelines, it might be good > to wait a bit longer. I know I am waiting, scroll saws have always been my fav with wood, so I am expecting the same with glass. Russ -- Russ Taddiken taddiken@detroit.sgi.com "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 15:16:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:32:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "glassbungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Not Glass, Charlie Brown Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.11540.0> Precedence: bulk Charles Schulz, the creator of "Peanuts," is going to retire the comic strip, with January 3rd's strip being the last one for Charlie Brown, Snoopy, Lucy and the gang. The Top 12 Things on Charlie Brown's To-Do List [ The Top 5 List www.topfive.com ] [ Copyright 1999 by Chris White ] 12> Bite into Peppermint Patty and get the sensation. 11> Cash the Met Life policy and jet off to Juarez with the little red-haired girl . 10> Speak to my shrink about that jazz piano music that follows me around everywhere. 9> Get Peppermint Patty that Indigo Girls album she's been asking for. 8> Begin rap career as Snoop Master C. 7> Two words: new shirt 6> After bottling it up for almost 50 years, go to a local mall and just curse wildly at children for a few hours. 5> Get barber school tuition from Dad. Blow it on booze and hookers. 4> Tell the dog that if he can pilot a plane, he can get his own damn dinner. 3> Begin auditioning actresses for "It's Your First Threesome, Charlie Brown." 2> With Schultz finally out of the picture, stick that football where only Lucy's proctologist can find it. and Topfive.com's Number 1 Thing on Charlie Brown's To-Do List... 1> Get Prozac, get Rogaine, get Viagra, and get busy with the little red-haired girl. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 16:05:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:38:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "Russ Taddiken" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: New saw Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.132914.0> References: <<1999Dec23.10415.0>> Precedence: bulk Russ, I have the Hegner Scroll Saw, model is 18" table, next to the largest one made. I love my Hegner and wouldn't ever think of doing wood work and now glass without it. Hegner is sold by Advanced Machinery, in Delaware, USA. My model was priced at about $1100 if I recall correctly. I recently bought some of the diamond saw blades, cost was $19.95 each or thereabouts. These are stainless steel, encrusted with diamonds and the blade itself is 'round' like the wire it's made of. One benefit is that you can reverse the blade to use up more of the upper range that is not cutting all the time. You can also raise your cutting bed to use more of the blade also. Advanced Machinery has a web page, just do a search for Hegner as Advanced Machinery is the sole distributor of that saw in the USA. The motors are water-proof and they have excellent warranties, 6 years I think. This is one saw that you will not sell, and you will have it for life if you take care of it. You do need a water reservoir, they sell them also or you can make your own. You must cut with water to cool the blade. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Taddiken" To: "1Bungi" Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 3:41 PM Subject: Re: New saw : Bob Duchesneau wrote: : : > I have been reading about a new diamond saw that the Gryphon people will be : > introducing to the market sometime in the coming year. : > : > As I understand it, a diamond coated wire several inches long saws glass by : > moving up and down. It can be threaded through a hole to start cutting. : : As a woodworker this saw type is refered to as a scroll saw, very very precise. : I am looking forward to trying one out on glass. : : > : > : > Having less working surface than band or ring saws the new blades will, no : > doubt, wear out sooner but they are expected to be much cheaper. : : I have heard that the expected price per blade is about $7 which is great, but : ecpect to break a few until you get used to the saw. : : > : > : > So, if the great saw debate has kept you on the sidelines, it might be good : > to wait a bit longer. : : I know I am waiting, scroll saws have always been my fav with wood, so I am : expecting the same with glass. : : Russ : : -- : Russ Taddiken : taddiken@detroit.sgi.com : : "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought : without accepting it." -- Aristotle : : : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 16:25:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:48:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.net!esavad From: Mike Savad To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass selection Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.134631.0> References: <<1999Dec23.9335.0>> Organization: Mike's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Suzanne Gunn wrote: > > I need some help with skin tones. > > There is an idea Ive had for quite a while for a panel that would > require multi ethnic skin tones. > > Help please? > > Suzanne in Tulsa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've thought about it from time to time. always looking for skin colors... spectrum fleshy is pretty good if you don't mind the lines. wissmach is the only one that i know of that has completly solid colors. in brown anyway. havn't seen a good asian glass. most of the stuff is so dense, it doesn't light up at all. as a last chance effort you can try stacking up the colors, you might get what you want. though it will be tricky. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 9-12-99 - New Pages Added: 3 new Tips sections - Reader's Tips, Making your own Glass Filigree, and Cutting Different types of glass. There are also a lot of new Sky City pictures. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 21:05:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:32:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: "Dave & Lynn Loda" To: "Russ Taddiken" , "1Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: New saw Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:23:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.122326.0> References: <<1999Dec23.10415.0>> Precedence: bulk Gryphon is suppose to introduce this saw in January Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee Stained Glass Supplies http://www.artglassw.com -----Original Message----- From: Russ Taddiken [mailto:taddiken@detroit.sgi.com] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 12:41 PM To: 1Bungi Subject: Re: New saw Bob Duchesneau wrote: > I have been reading about a new diamond saw that the Gryphon people will be > introducing to the market sometime in the coming year. > > As I understand it, a diamond coated wire several inches long saws glass by > moving up and down. It can be threaded through a hole to start cutting. As a woodworker this saw type is refered to as a scroll saw, very very precise. I am looking forward to trying one out on glass. > > > Having less working surface than band or ring saws the new blades will, no > doubt, wear out sooner but they are expected to be much cheaper. I have heard that the expected price per blade is about $7 which is great, but ecpect to break a few until you get used to the saw. > > > So, if the great saw debate has kept you on the sidelines, it might be good > to wait a bit longer. I know I am waiting, scroll saws have always been my fav with wood, so I am expecting the same with glass. Russ -- Russ Taddiken taddiken@detroit.sgi.com "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -- Aristotle ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 21:36:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:13:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: iglou.com!jbb From: James Barton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Tiffany base Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:12:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991224001224.008e4bb0@pop.iglou.com> Precedence: bulk Ihave been lurking on this list for more than a year but have really had little to contribute but recently I found what I think is a genuine tiffany lamp base at a yard sale. I have done some stained glass about 10 or more years ago but recently have been involved with lost wax sculpture. Fountains and a large installation for a medical center in Kentucky. The base is bronze and has what appears to have been a hanging lotus shade the glass is almost completely gone but there is remains of the solder and guess crown. would like to know what glass ypu would recomend to replace this shade. I do know about the Odessey forms but have no idea about the glass available. Thanks j. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 23 22:36:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:02:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "James Barton" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany base Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:00:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec23.20028.0> References: <<3.0.6.32.19991224001224.008e4bb0@pop.iglou.com>> Precedence: bulk James, Is it possible to get a picture of this lamp base posted? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Barton" To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 12:12 AM Subject: Tiffany base : : : Ihave been lurking on this list for more than a year but have really had : little to contribute but recently I found what I think is a genuine tiffany : lamp base at a yard sale. : : I have done some stained glass about 10 or more years ago but recently have : been involved with lost wax sculpture. Fountains and a large installation : for a medical center in Kentucky. The base is bronze and has what appears : to have been a hanging lotus shade the glass is almost completely gone but : there is remains of the solder and guess crown. would like to know what : glass ypu would recomend to replace this shade. I do know about the : Odessey forms but have no idea about the glass available. : : Thanks : : j. : : : : : ---- : For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com : To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com : Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass : ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 02:08:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:56:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Prize-winning glass artwork Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:48:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199912240954.EAA25544@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk Hi, I've enjoyed a number of artists' work for the past few years, having purchased them back in 1990. But now, quite frankly, I've put them up on eBay and hope to recoup some of their cash value. As it turns out, though, they're going awfully cheaply, so you might take a look. You could just get a real steal, and great glass artwork at the same time. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222071067 Then click on "See other auctions offered by this person" right after my eBay name, "alewis@adelphia.net" Merry Christmas! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 06:37:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 06:03:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Other creative outlets--poem Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.32339.0> Precedence: bulk I know I promised a poem to everyone who responded to the--other creative outlets--post, but it's going to be quite a project due to the number and diversity of the responses. So, in time for the holidays, here's a poem for you to consider--by someone in a way connected to me--since we both attended the same high school--Lawrence High, in Lawrence, Mass. Best wishes, and happy holidays, Joseph The Road not Taken by Robert Frost - 1916 Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that, the passing there Had worn them really about the same, And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 08:08:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 07:48:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tiffany base Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.5478.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by James Barton >I have done some stained glass about 10 or more years ago but recently have been involved with lost wax sculpture. Fountains and a large installatio= n for a medical center in Kentucky. The base is bronze and has what appear= s to have been a hanging lotus shade the glass is almost completely gone bu= t there is remains of the solder and guess crown. would like to know what glass ypu would recomend to replace this shade. I do know about the Odessey forms but have no idea about the glass available.< If you suspect it's a real Tiffany base, you should get it appraised by a= qualified antiques appraisor. It might be worth 10s of thousands of dollars. As to the glass for a replacement shade - I like Youghiogheny and/or Uroborus for Tiffany reproductions. I recently attended a lecture about Tiffany lamps (and their fakes) given by the lady who is the glass expert on the PBS series,= "Antiques Roadshow". She also likes Uroborus. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles North Wales, PA USA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 09:09:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 08:59:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!AbbieN2Glass From: AbbieN2Glass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Ng: Snow Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:57:18 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec24.165718.0> Precedence: bulk It is snowing here! :D Abbie in Va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 09:41:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:10:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Other creative outlets--poem Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:08:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.7850.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joseph Augusta >The Road not Taken by Robert Frost - 1916< One of my faves.... wishing everyone the very best of the season. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 12:32:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:10:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: "pj friend" To: , Subject: Re: Snow Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 15:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.1049.0> References: <<1999Dec24.165718.0>> Precedence: bulk please keep it there. pj :0 Paul Friend Architectural Glass & Design, Inc. www.waterw.com/~artglass Accredited Studio Member of the Stained Glass Association of America Member International Guild of Glass Artists Associate Member AIA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 11:57 AM Subject: Ng: Snow > It is snowing here! :D Abbie in Va > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 15:02:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: InfoAve.Net!ctombro From: Carol Tombro To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets--poem - NG Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:13:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.9136.0> References: <<1999Dec24.32339.0@[207.126.97.2]>> Organization: SBWSA Precedence: bulk Joseph Augusta wrote: > > > The Road not Taken > by Robert Frost - 1916 > One of my favorites Joseph, but also: Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening by Robert Frost Whose woods these are I think I know. His house is in the village, though; He will not see me stopping here To watch his woods fill up with snow. My little horse must think it queer To stop without a farmhouse near Between the woods and frozen lake The darkest evening of the year. He gives his harness bells a shake To ask if there is some mistake. The only other sound's the sweep Of easy wind and downy flake. The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. Happy holidays to all. Carol T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 21:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:01:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ior.com!glshorse From: Elizabeth Arakelian To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:47:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.124716.0> References: <<1999Dec22.6931.0>> Precedence: bulk oops...sent this to the wrong address:) Just discovered it belatedly.... other creative pursuits: raising children. cooking. misc other crafts, knitting, crocheting, crosstitch,one of these days I am going to make a quilt...have tried candlemaking, someone gave me a soap kit that I am dying to try...assorted "kid crafts" involving large amounts of glue, glitter and other messy items. I also write poetry and play piano and flute (but I would be embarrassed to do so in front of Christie..strictly amateur, very amateur, here....) thats about it..... Merry Christmas to all Liz ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 24 23:13:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:59:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: "gunnx4@ix.netcom.com" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Have you seen this Homestead? Date: 24 Dec 1999 22:56:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.145631.0> Precedence: bulk This is really cool. When you visit this website, and click the can, they will donate a dollar to Habitat for Humanity. :o) Habitat for Humanity is a non profit organization. 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Click here to register. www.jobsonline.com/sales/sales_web45.asp ************************* You are currently subscribed as: glass@BUNGI.COM To unsubscribe select the link below. mailto:WEBFORTYFIVE-signoff-request@mlm.jobsonline.com?subject=signoff ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 01:15:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 00:44:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: xtra.co.nz!TMacnicol From: Tina Booth To: Glass List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Today "was" Christmas Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:18:54 +1300 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.101854.0> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas everybody. Just a quick note. Its 9:15 pm Christmas evening. We have given our gifts, played with our children's new toys, eaten too much and caught up with family for another year. What a day. It's been great summer weather. Even after all the laughter, the hugs and the stories, I still can't help wanting to sneak away from it all- for quiet time. I hope your Christmas will be as good as ours. Regards -- -Tina Booth- -Knowledge is true opinion- -Plato- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 03:17:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:41:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: A Montage of Tips Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:22:49 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec25.102249.0> Precedence: bulk Merry Christmas Everyone! I was thinking what a nice gift it would be if people on this list, since there are so many newbies out there, would each post one glass tip. I was thinking that each one of us has a little something to share that they never learned in a class, wouldn't read about in a how to manual, or see in a video. For example: Using a mousepad to burnish, I do that all the time now, I loved that tip! Or the one recently that someone said they use a spray bottle for flux. That kind of stuff. So how about it folks have you got some real handy tips for all us hobbyists, not that the professionals wouldn't use some of these tips. Ok I'll start- I posted this a while back and some people objected but it works for me. Lay a rag across the back of the grinder ( mine has the plastic guard) so that the water doesn't splash all over. THen just hang the rag to dry, no mess, no fuss. Wishing you all a happy and safe New Year and Merry Christmas! Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 04:48:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 04:00:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 05:50:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec24.235050.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all Very new to stained glass and this group, but I will through my two- cents in. 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I keep my grinder sponge damp with a water IV. My dad was hospitalized this fall. I collected his glucose IV lines (no part came in contact with body fluids). I bought a hamster water bottle for the black cork and took out the feeding tube. I took a plastic coke bottle, removed the lid (discard it) and punched a hole in the bottom of the bottle with a hot ice pick. I made a hanger out of a coat hanger to hold and hang the upside down coke bottle when ready. I filled the bottle with water (holding my finger over the punched hole in the bottom), inserted the cork where the bottle cap was, put the IV mechanism in the hole where the feeding tube was in the cork, tightened the wheel on the IV till I could adjust the water flow, turned the bottle over and hung it up over my grinder, put the end of the IV behind my sponge, adjusted the wheel so it drips slowly. Works wonderful! Also, I get exposed ends of x-ray film to use as pattern material. P.S after you get all the tips can you please put them on one e-mail as a collection? Thanks! Debbie Tenhoff in Baltimore, MD mschatee@juno.com wrote: > Merry Christmas Everyone! I was thinking what a nice gift it would be > if people on this list, since there are so many newbies out there, would > each post one glass tip. I was thinking that each one of us has a little > something to share that they never learned in a class, wouldn't read > about in a how to manual, or see in a video. For example: Using a > mousepad to burnish, I do that all the time now, I loved that tip! Or > the one recently that someone said they use a spray bottle for flux. > That kind of stuff. So how about it folks have you got some real handy > tips for all us hobbyists, not that the professionals wouldn't use some > of these tips. > > Ok I'll start- I posted this a while back and some people objected but > it works for me. > > Lay a rag across the back of the grinder ( mine has the plastic guard) so > that the water doesn't splash all over. THen just hang the rag to dry, > no mess, no fuss. > > Wishing you all a happy and safe New Year and Merry Christmas! > > Caren > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 10:48:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:08:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: A Montage of Tips Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:09:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec25.892.0> References: <<1999Dec25.55621.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Happy Holidays - ours are! A Montage of Tips or (Glass Hints a la Heloise) ---------------------------------------------------------- I use the spongy backed Rubbermaid shelf liner (hard to find) to cut on. I've found that when taking foiled works apart, Mineral Spirits are the best solvent for removing the gook. One of the new soy based gunk removers (like SoyGold) is a good additive to your wash water as a solvent if you have used Conract paper or glue stick on the glass. Petroleum Jelly spread over a paper pattern or a felt-tipped ink line helps keep the paper or line from washing away when grinding, sawing, etc. It is WAY cheaper than buying the special compound designed to do that. (I'm willing to bet it is a beeswax mixture and it's too hard to spread well.) You can cut your foiling time by at least half using one of the standing foilers like the Diegel. You still have to be careful , and some deep inside curves have to be done by hand. If you have an Inland (no longer being sold - with good reason), you can vastly increase it's usability by widening the opening at the front where the glass goes. I used my ring saw and chewed a curve on the two inside and front edges. The curve is mostly vertical although I also rounded the top and bottom edges. This makes it much easier to insert the glass between the "fingers". If you have a Diamond Laser 3000 band saw (probably will work on other makes and models), I cut a small square of sponge, wet it, and squeeze it behind the blade so it expands on both sides of the cutting band, and it also nestles up to the drip spigot. I find this helps keep an even flow of water, and it wipes the blade clean so it doesn't carry so much glass powder up into the works. There is a sponge called (I think) The Swiss Sponge. It has holes all over it. When wiping your solder iron on it, any remaining solder falls in the holes, instead of fusing to the sponge or burying itself inside the sponge. When you are done, lift up the sponge and the majority of the solder drops are there ready to be placed in your recycling. By the way, anybody know of a supplier? Nobody near me carries it. - Cecily Debbie T wrote: > I learned this tip from someone on the list some time back. I keep my grinder > sponge damp with a water IV. My dad was hospitalized this fall. I collected > his glucose IV lines (no part came in contact with body fluids). I bought a > hamster water bottle for the black cork and took out the feeding tube. I took > a plastic coke bottle, removed the lid (discard it) and punched a hole in the > bottom of the bottle with a hot ice pick. I made a hanger out of a coat > hanger to hold and hang the upside down coke bottle when ready. I filled the > bottle with water (holding my finger over the punched hole in the bottom), > inserted the cork where the bottle cap was, put the IV mechanism in the hole > where the feeding tube was in the cork, tightened the wheel on the IV till I > could adjust the water flow, turned the bottle over and hung it up over my > grinder, put the end of the IV behind my sponge, adjusted the wheel so it > drips slowly. Works wonderful! > > Also, I get exposed ends of x-ray film to use as pattern material. > > P.S after you get all the tips can you please put them on one e-mail as a > collection? Thanks! > Debbie Tenhoff in Baltimore, MD > > mschatee@juno.com wrote: > > > Merry Christmas Everyone! I was thinking what a nice gift it would be > > if people on this list, since there are so many newbies out there, would > > each post one glass tip. I was thinking that each one of us has a little > > something to share that they never learned in a class, wouldn't read > > about in a how to manual, or see in a video. For example: Using a > > mousepad to burnish, I do that all the time now, I loved that tip! Or > > the one recently that someone said they use a spray bottle for flux. > > That kind of stuff. So how about it folks have you got some real handy > > tips for all us hobbyists, not that the professionals wouldn't use some > > of these tips. > > > > Ok I'll start- I posted this a while back and some people objected but > > it works for me. > > > > Lay a rag across the back of the grinder ( mine has the plastic guard) so > > that the water doesn't splash all over. THen just hang the rag to dry, > > no mess, no fuss. > > > > Wishing you all a happy and safe New Year and Merry Christmas! > > > > Caren > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 17:59:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:44:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: domesticity.net!bethanie From: Bethanie Brown To: mschatee@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A Montage of Tips Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:47:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <<1999Dec25.102249.0>> Precedence: bulk OK -- out of lurker mode, because, Caren, I started using your tip about the rag across the back of the grinder on my latest project... and it works GREAT!! I'm so excited... My tip: Use an accordion-style folder divided into sections to transport glass, or store larger pieces of a project that you're working on. The paper is sturdy enough so the glass won't cut through it, and the dividers keep the pieces of glass from rubbing against each other, and any little shards fall down to the bottom and do no harm (you can dump them out eventually). For the little bitty pieces of glass, use envelopes (#10 size or 9x6) and carry them in the file, too. Merry Christmas. ....Bethanie.... Quoth Dilbert: "Build a better life stealing office supplies" At 6:22 AM -0400 12/25/99, mschatee@juno.com wrote: >Merry Christmas Everyone! I was thinking what a nice gift it would be >if people on this list, since there are so many newbies out there, would >each post one glass tip. I was thinking that each one of us has a little >something to share that they never learned in a class, wouldn't read >about in a how to manual, or see in a video. For example: Using a >mousepad to burnish, I do that all the time now, I loved that tip! Or >the one recently that someone said they use a spray bottle for flux. >That kind of stuff. So how about it folks have you got some real handy >tips for all us hobbyists, not that the professionals wouldn't use some >of these tips. > >Ok I'll start- I posted this a while back and some people objected but >it works for me. > >Lay a rag across the back of the grinder ( mine has the plastic guard) so >that the water doesn't splash all over. THen just hang the rag to dry, >no mess, no fuss. > > >Wishing you all a happy and safe New Year and Merry Christmas! > >Caren > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 18:59:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:34:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:mschatee@juno.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: A Montage of Tips Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 21:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec25.163241.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:mschatee@juno.com >For example: Using a mousepad to burnish, I do that all the time now, I loved that tip!< I discovered another use.... when drilling holes in glass, I lay the glass on the mousepad and it offers some = cushion when the drill bit goes through the glass. Works exceedingly well..... = Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Dec 25 19:59:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:49:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: juno.com!mschatee From: mschatee@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Montage of Tips Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:45:37 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec26.34537.0> Precedence: bulk I have another one to offer. The accordian folder reminded me. I have one that I put all my patterns in. After I've used the pattern pieces I put them in an envelope and clip it to the full size pattern and then file it in alphabetical order. Then when I have someone that wants something I can just take my folder with me and they can look through or I can easily find them. Plus putting all the cut up pattern pieces in the individual envelopes keeps things very organized. Thanks for all the tips so far. Caren ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 07:31:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 07:16:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blue plastic soldering iron? Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:04:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.5417.0> References: <<38662B22.A512E93C@ply.adelphia.net>> Precedence: bulk > I picked up an old blue plastic pistol-type soldering iron---the > company that made or imported it is Nervo Int., from Berkeley, and out > of business. Anyone know anything about it wattage, etc? It has a > little orange trigger--doesn't seem to change the temp. though-- > > Best wishes, > Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 08:29:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:00:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: videon.wave.ca!dhendler From: Darlene Hendler To: mschatee@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Montage of Tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:56:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.35624.0> References: <<1999Dec26.34537.0>> Precedence: bulk I'm not always as proficient as I'd like to be when it comes to cutting my glass so I tend to grind more than I'd like. I find I can save time with the grinding if I mark the line with the indelible ink and then use an old wax candle to cover it so that it doesn't get washed off when I grind the piece. The wax comes off easily afterward and I save time going from the grinder to the pattern! I love this idea of sharing tips. Darlene mschatee@juno.com wrote: > I have another one to offer. The accordian folder reminded me. I have > one that I put all my patterns in. After I've used the pattern pieces I > put them in an envelope and clip it to the full size pattern and then > file it in alphabetical order. Then when I have someone that wants > something I can just take my folder with me and they can look through or > I can easily find them. Plus putting all the cut up pattern pieces in > the individual envelopes keeps things very organized. > > Thanks for all the tips so far. > > Caren > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 09:59:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:50:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:40:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.74032.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Happy New Year everyone! I just thought I should pass along a tip I read in SGN a while back. I now use Simple Green to wash my pieces to remove the flux. I have it in a spray bottle, full strength. I just give a quick burst to the front and back and scrub away as usual. Works great for me. Sharon in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 10:07:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.7404.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Happy New Year everyone! I just thought I should pass along a tip I read in SGN a while back. I now use Simple Green to wash my pieces to remove the flux. I have it in a spray bottle, full strength. I just give a quick burst to the front and back and scrub away as usual. Works great for me. Sharon in SC ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 11:03:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: one.net!gwood From: one.net!gwood To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: A Montage of Tips Date: Sun Dec 26 10:40:06 1999 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.8186.0> References: <<1999Dec25.892.0>> Precedence: bulk > If you have an Inland (no longer being sold - with > good reason), you can vastly increase it's usability by widening the opening at > the front where the glass goes. I removed those do-hickies within about 10 minutes of first use. The little 'slot' in the wheel works well for most thicknesses of glass. Although on just the right thickness it makes a great foil slitter. :( -G ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 11:07:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:51:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: airmail.net!vwrona1 From: vwrona1@airmail.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Montage of tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:44:27 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I have a tip that I have found very useful. I use old leather gloves to protect my fingers from the heat when soldering decorative twisted wire or assembling small leaded pieces (like heads or halos on angels) to 3D patterns (or anywhere the heat travels quickly). The leather gloves are fitted and so are not bulky and are easier than trying to hold/balance the wire in my pliers. Also, since I live in Texas and do not go through a lot of gloves, I found some very nice ones at Berman's on an after Christmas special for $1.99/pr. Each glove lasts for years. Hope this helps. Vicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 13:13:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:34:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: A Montage of Tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:33:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.103351.0> References: <<1999Dec27.8186.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Yes - I don't like the so-called crimping effect (which really is ruffling and mangling) either. But the greatest benefit of a foiler is that it allows you to center the glass on the foil - or off-center with the Diegel - using reasonable care MUCH faster than by hand. I left the "fingers" there because when my husband offers to help, he needs that extra guidance it gives. I just flip them up out of the way when I use it. I tried the little hand held ones, and they were more bother. Plus one of the common sizes always offsets the glass a tad. Thought I'd just gotten a bad one, but they are all like that. - Cecily daver!one.net!gwood@h3.mail.home.com wrote: > > If you have an Inland (no longer being sold - with > > good reason), you can vastly increase it's usability by widening the > opening at > > the front where the glass goes. > > I removed those do-hickies within about 10 minutes of first use. > The little 'slot' in the wheel works well for most thicknesses of glass. > Although on just the right thickness it makes a great foil slitter. :( > > -G > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 16:03:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:43:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.232022.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4FF7.C87B3F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable if anyone like me cuts all the pieces and then grinds them all. your = fingers tend to get very soft and wrinkled then easily cut by unground = edges. finger stalls as used in banks offer great protection. happy new = year to all, charlie uk ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4FF7.C87B3F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
if anyone like me cuts all the pieces = and then=20 grinds them all. your fingers tend to get very soft and wrinkled then = easily cut=20 by unground edges. finger stalls as used in banks offer great = protection. =20 happy new year to all,   charlie uk
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF4FF7.C87B3F60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 16:06:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:51:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: uk artists Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.23225.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF4FF8.059B22C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone in the uk want to get in touch. email me ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF4FF8.059B22C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BF4FF8.059B22C0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 17:34:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:07:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: flux Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.15536.0> References: <<1999Dec23.111623.0>> Precedence: bulk I occasionally use liquid or gel flux...I like to put it in a little drip spouted bottle (flip up the spout, don't open the cap). That way I can drip flux onto spots to tack solder. Doesn't shift the pieces. Of course, you can still shift them with the solder. Dorothy (Who says puce colored fleas are ugly?) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 18:06:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:59:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ETINTERNET.NET!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: brass came and joints/first consignment piece-need help! Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:56:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.155620.0> Precedence: bulk HELP PLEASE! I am just starting out my business and got my first panel piece request for an all beveled glass butler door insert with brass came. I have worked with very little bevels usually only one at a time. Also I have only done one lead piece before. I have never worked with the brass came. Please give me any tips to get through this. How do I need to measure for the window with all these bevels and adjustments for the came? How do I make the joints soldered match the came? Where is the best place to purchase the brass came? Is it any different than working with regular lead came? She mentioned she may want "black lines" instead. In which case should I use lead came and lead patina? Or copper foil and patina? What are the differences in mesurements I should make in doing a foiled beveled door panel verses lead came door panel? Also tips on pricing this type of piece please?? Looking forward to your inputs. Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 19:34:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:21:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele S" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:19:05 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec27.3195.0> Precedence: bulk I have kids that require driving to and from many an activity. I feel like my time is wasted when I'm just sitting there, so I have found a way to work on some of my glass. I foil during sports practices and in the back of boy scout meetings. (I always foil things by hand.) I've sold a couple of items since people start conversations asking about what I'm doing. I keep a small, sturdy cardboard box in the car with the envelopes from my developed photographs carrying small pieces to foil. The envelopes are sturdy and usually have a flap that sticks and sticks again to seal the envelope. I keep my fid in the box as well as a pair of scissors. The foil rolls are kept in zip lock baggies with a corner cut out to feed the roll through. This really has helped make non-productive time turn productive! Michele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 19:36:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:08:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: airmail.net!vwrona1 From: vwrona1@airmail.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: tips Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:58:49 -0600 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I like that idea. (I used to wear bandaids on the tips of my fingers when they got too soft.) Also when grinding I wear latex disposable gloves (like the kind that doctors and nurses wear). It protects my hands from the water and glass chips -- helps to prevent looking like I have very old, dried hands! When the fingertips on the gloves get too cut up I just throw them away. Vicki On 26 Dec 99, at 23:20, charlie wrote: f anyone like me cuts all the pieces and then grinds them all. your = fingers tend to get very soft and wrinkled then easily cut by unground = edges. finger stalls as used in banks offer great protection. happy new = year to all, charlie uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 21:34:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:02:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: juno.com!gmacfarland From: gmacfarland@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:57:03 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec27.4573.0> Precedence: bulk I just wondered if everyone has taken time out for the holidays. I have not received any bungi mail since 12/9/99. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 21:36:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:28:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: flux [F] Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:28:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec26.192828.0> References: <<1999Dec26.15536.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Emeraldine is probably the only person in the world who can get away with wearing puce. No doubt on her it is lovely. - Cec Family Account wrote: > I occasionally use liquid or gel flux...I like to put it in a little drip > spouted bottle (flip up the spout, don't open the cap). That way I can > drip flux onto spots to tack solder. Doesn't shift the pieces. Of course, > you can still shift them with the solder. > > Dorothy > > (Who says puce colored fleas are ugly?) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Dec 26 22:04:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 21:39:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: yahoo.com!freespeech44 From: To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Sun Dec 26 21:39:13 1999 Message-ID: <199912270532.FAA27637@gatekeeper.icaew.co.uk> Precedence: bulk 57 MILLION EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR ONLY $149 You want to make some money? 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ALL INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR YOU TO SUCCESSFULLY MAIL, QUICKLY, PROPERLY, LEGALLY PROVIDED WITH ORDER Copyright 1999 All rights reserved ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 06:50:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 06:39:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Subject: please remove me temporarily I am moving Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:51:54 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.25154.0> Organization: stainedglassdesign.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 08:09:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:44:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!NEICYDENN From: NEICYDENN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A Montage of Tips Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:36:56 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec27.153656.0> Precedence: bulk I love this tip idea! To keep my roll of foil rolled up while foiling, I twist a bread bag twistie thing around the roll. You can easily slide the twistie around the roll as you need to let out more foil. I also store open rolls of foil in zip lock bags. I don't use oil in my cutter, but I do store it upside down in a jar with cotton soaked in oil. I use my Morton cutting board under my grinder, it catches the water that spills and I can bring it right to the laundry sink to spray off and drip dry. To keep my scraps of glass organized, I have several shoe box size plastic containers, one for each group of colors. They stack nicely on one shelf. When printing patterns that I plan on reusing, I use transparencies rather than paper, they go through the printer great. You just need to let the ink dry a bit before cutting them out. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 08:27:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:03:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Tips Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:03:07 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec27.1637.0> Precedence: bulk Caren, What a great idea about sharing our tips! I know we can all learn a great deal from one another! I use a dremel/rotary tool with a small fiber brush to do the final cleaning/polishing on copper foil projects. It gets into the nooks and crannies easily and cleans projects in 1/4 the time! I also have used the dremel with a pad attached to it similar to a "scotch brite" to clean up zinc before applying the patina... again very minimal effort required and quick results! Has anyone ever used the "luster brush"?! If you haven't YOU NEED TO!! This has been by far the best investment I have made! It is about a 6" diameter round brush that you attach to a drill. Buffs up, and blackens lead lines like there is no tomorrow!! Cuts the buffing by hand time down to seconds!!! No muscle cramps in hands/arms. Truly unbelievable! Shears ever get gunked up when cutting patterns out of contact paper? Try putting a little oil on each of the blades. Back to lurking, Kauriee Wood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 08:39:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:25:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: brass came and joints/first consignment piece-need help! Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:22:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.62259.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Connie Bartel >How do I need to measure for the window with all these bevels and adjustments for the came? = How do I make the joints soldered match the came? = Where is the best place to purchase the brass came? = Is it any different than working with regular lead came? She mentioned she may want "black lines" instead. In which case should I use lead came and lead patina? Or copper foil and patina? What are the differences in mesurements I should make in doing a foiled beveled door panel verses lead came door panel? = Also tips on pricing this type of piece please?? Looking forward to your inputs. Connie< Boy, Connie - you've asked a ton of really good questions. Let me see if I can be of any help, since my studio designs and fabricates panel inserts all the time. Brass and lead came. Since your client asked for "black lines" you will definately be using lead came rather than brass. Yes, there is a major difference between the cames. The most obvious differences are color and difficulty in cutting/shaping. Lead came is a soft pewter or black color and is MUCH easier to work with (i.e. cutting and shaping around bevel clusters). Brass came is usually lead came with brass plated on the outside. It is very difficult to cut and bend into shapes unless you have an electric chop saw and very strong muscles or came-bending gizmos. Here in my studio we have the chop saw, and use our muscles (and sometimes judicious use of a hammer and wood jigs) to bend brass came. When given a choice, I opt for lead every time, since it is so much easier to work with. Get yourself a good quality lead dyke or two and you can simply snip the lead. Or you could do this in copper foil and then black patina the solder lines. Either way will give the client her "black lines". When doing a copper foil panel, just use the regular foil shears for cutting out the pattern pieces. Temporarily tape together your bevel cluster and place it on top of your pattern. Then trace around it. Cut out the pattern as per normal and create your panel. If you will be working with lead, the solder joints will eventually end up matching the lead after you've completed the puttying and whiting and polishing stages. Don't worry about trying to make the solder joints match - they will do so automatically if you've done your puttying/whiting/polishing correctly. How to measure for bevels & came..... Firstly, measure the glass area. When working with cabinet inserts you measure the inside of the cabinet door where the panel will reside. Don't be fooled by just measuring the visible area when viewing the panel from the front. It's the inside measurements that count. OK, you've done that. Let's say you're working with an 11 3/4" wide by 23 1/2" tall area. The next thing you have to do is find out how wide the inside heart of your came is. Most lead came is 1/16" thick in the heart. This is important to know, as you will be subtracting the heart thickness from your measurements, so that your design doesn't "grow" during construction. So...let's assume you are using standard lead "H" came with a 1/16" heart and face width of 3/16". Subtract 3/8" from each dimension. This will take care of the outside lead perimeter around your panel. Width: 11.75 (panel width) - .375 (lead face width x 2) =3D 11.375 (11 3= /8) Height: 23.5 (panel height) - .375 (lead face width x 2) =3D 23.125 (23 1= /8) OK - how many of what size bevel do you need to fill up that space? Keep in mind that there will be 1/16" worth of lead came space between each bevel piece. Let's say you're going to do some bevel cluster in the middle that is 9" wide and 19" tall. And you would like a nice border of straight bevels around it. Ah, but what sized bevels? How much room do you have to play with for the border, taking into account the center bevel cluster's size? Subtract the bevel cluster's dimensions from the revised panel's dimension, and this will give you a clue as to what width bevel to use. Then divide that by 2, since you want an equal number of inches on each side. Don't forget to also subtract an extra 1/16" from this figure, as you will need another piece of lead to hold each bevel border piece. Width: 11.375 - 9 =3D 2.375 (this is the overall area you have to work wi= th) 2.375 / 2 =3D 1.1875 (this is the area per side) 1.1875 - .0625 =3D 1.125 (this is the area minus the lead width) Length: 23.125 - 19 =3D 4.125 4.125 / 2 =3D 2.0625 2.0625 - .0625 =3D 2 So, it looks like you're going to have to go with a 1" wide straight line= bevel, since that's the one closest to each calculation without going ove= r it. Next you need to figure out how many of which length of these 1" wide bevels you'll need. Take the revised panel's length and width and divide them until you have something that allows you to create a nice looking border without having to cut the bevels or grind them excessively= From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 10:57:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:38:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Tips Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.83751.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Kauriee@aol.com > What a great idea about sharing our tips! I know we can all learn a grea= t = deal from one another! < I think the coolest tip I've heard on bungi is the trick of foiling the glass nuggets, then putting them in a plastic jar and shaking them to burnish! Too easy. Best, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 12:28:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:04:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!NJDKJD From: NJDKJD@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:02:08 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec27.2028.0> Precedence: bulk I have tried the latex gloves as well..but still like to wear those brown "mickey mouse" gloves you buy in packages at flea markets or home depot or lowes... Have also had an awakening to please please wear some type of respirator...paper or more tech respirator if desired...since you do see lots of tiny glass particles flying about..and you think...ahhh its okay..it won't hurt...Well....it does hurt your lungs!!!!! Unfortunately, when I was taught to do glass nothing ever ever was mentioned about respirators or gloves....maybe glasses. Hope they updated their teaching methods on safety. Happy Glassing...Enjoy Enjoy... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 13:36:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:01:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: re uk artists(brian) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 20:59:04 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.20594.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF50AD.357FDE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cheers brian. i get my supplies from norfolk stained glass very good for = window workwith an exelent range of cathedral glass, also a very good = craftsman so good advice. i also use a norwich shop for opalecents. then = a trip down to tempsford in bedfordshire when i have lots of spare cash. = i'm trying to locate thin coloured glass rods so any help would be cool. = i've found tempsfords site but no other. all the best charlie ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF50AD.357FDE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
cheers brian. i get my supplies from = norfolk=20 stained glass very good for window workwith an exelent range of = cathedral glass,=20 also a very good craftsman so good advice. i also use a norwich shop for = opalecents. then a trip down to tempsford in bedfordshire when i have = lots of=20 spare cash. i'm trying to locate thin coloured glass rods so any help = would be=20 cool. i've found tempsfords site but no other.
all the best = charlie
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BF50AD.357FDE80-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 14:10:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:41:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Awbaxter From: Awbaxter@aol.com To: BLUEHERON@etinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: brass came and joints/first consignment piece-need help! Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:40:15 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec27.214015.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Connie, You have quite a job in front of you, with little lead or multiple bevel experience! And my help here, to answer your questions, won't be much....but here goes! Measure the opening for this piece as you would for any construction method - from it's installation side. The actual final size of your piece will not change whether the piece is foiled or leaded. What will be different will be the "glass" or cutting size. You must account for the perimeter metal that you use...if a flat 1/2" "H" channel surrounds the piece, then you would subtract 1/4" all the way around to determine that glass line. I would recommend the brass-capped lead instead of brass, as it can be bent (although not easily) without much crimping, around the glass shapes, depending on the size of the curves. This can be purchased through glass suppliers. The heart of this came will determine the space between pieces, but I have found it to be the same as most of the lead I use. Determine your center, and lay out your bevels on the pattern, allowing enough space between bevels for the thickness of the heart of the came....do not depend on the pattern that comes with the bevel clusters, if you are using packaged clusters. I use a gold oil-based paint pen to touch up the solder joints to match, but another bungi member gave us a tip a while ago of using gold spray paint sprayed into a container, and then using a fine point paint brush to color those joints. Brass is more difficult than lead in that it is not as pliable. I am not crazy about it, and usually convince customers that the look of lead is more authentic, so I don't use it very often. If your customer mentioned that she "may want black lines instead", then I would make very sure of her wishes before beginning this project. And lead does not need a "lead patina" as the putty process will deepen the color of the lead and solder, as well as strengthening the panel. The copper foil choice is a personal one, and very dependent on the design and size of your panel, neither of which was mentioned in your post. It will not change the finished dimension of your panel, just the spacing of your design elements. I cannot advise on pricing, except to say it should be determined by a mulitude of factors...the size (square footage), degree of detail of the piece, cost of materials, etc. If you can search through the bungi archives, there have been many threads on pricing, and some formulas were given, which might help. I wish you luck, Connie, and hope this has helped a bit. I'm sure there will be other posts with more info for you. Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 15:05:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:23:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Stacking glass colors? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.121930.0> Precedence: bulk Pardon me if this is a dupe message---the cable modem's been acting up--but I can't figure out how to stack 2 or 3 levels of glass to make a new color in one area of the piece. Foil or came? And does the extra thick piece then face forward or away from the viewer? anyone? best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 16:10:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: tips Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:38:16 -0500 Message-ID: <199912272336.SAA16868@smu0102.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk You know the wax containers we use to give our pieces the final wax? How they always plug up with wax when left to sit for long? I stick a toothpick in the little doohickey that squirts the wax - that keeps it from plugging. Happy New Year, everybody! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 16:18:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:43:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: brass came and joints/first consignment piece-need help! Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:41:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.74144.0> Precedence: bulk >>Brass is more difficult than lead in that it is not as pliable. I am not >>crazy about it, and usually convince customers that the look of lead is more >>authentic, so I don't use it very often. If your customer mentioned that she >>"may want black lines instead", then I would make very sure of her wishes >>before beginning this project. Well said. I charge $20.00 a square foot extra for projects with brass came that is bent. There is only so much bending that can be done with brass came and it is more time consuming. I recommend that anyone who wants to work with brass came do a test project first to allow them to get an understanding of what they are getting into. No reasonable amount of dialog will substitute for hands on experience. The cheapest way to cut brass came is with a miter box and a fine tooth (32 teeth to the inch) hacksaw blade. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 16:40:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:06:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.8619.0> Precedence: bulk >>Have also had an awakening to please please wear some type of >>respirator...paper or more tech respirator if desired...since you do see lots >>of tiny glass particles flying about..and you think...ahhh its okay..it won't >>hurt...Well....it does hurt your lungs!!!!! I am not at all convinced that the WET grinding of glass is much of a hazard. Dry grinding is a definite no no. Bob in 92026 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 16:56:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:21:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "INTERNET:Awbaxter@aol.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: brass came and joints/first consignment piece-need help! Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.141826.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Awbaxter@aol.com >do = not depend on the pattern that comes with the bevel clusters, if you are = using packaged clusters. = I use a gold oil-based paint pen to touch up the solder joints to match,<= Definitely do not use the pattern that comes with the cluster.... the actual glass rarely is exactly the same size. For touching up the soldering, I like to use the little tubes of Rub 'n Buff that can be bought at art supply stores.... also works great for touching up = dings on gilt picture frames. Happy New Year! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 17:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:25:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzy To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Stacking glass colors? Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: <199912280023.TAA29702@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Pardon me if this is a dupe message---the cable modem's been acting >up--but I can't figure out how to stack 2 or 3 levels of glass to make a >new color in one area of the piece. Foil or came? And does the extra >thick piece then face forward or away from the viewer? anyone? I've always used foil. And the thick piece faces away from the viewer, making it look a bit strange on the outside. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 19:17:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:39:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pro-ns.net!jdahlin From: "J. Dahlin" To: Rebecca Wickline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: creative outlets Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:50:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.135046.0> References: <<19991222163528.LQRH28505@[12.79.196.163]>> Precedence: bulk I too have done the sewing bit from tailoring suits for my husband to lingerie. I have knitted, chrocheted, painted with oils and acrylics, done hundreds of Ukranian Easter eggs, sung with the Bach Society, appeared in community theater musicals in choruses and even as Mother Abyss in Sound of Music. A few years ago I also served as District 6 Governor in Toastmasters organization and was responsible for 249 clubs in Minnesota and part of Ontario, Canada. I do a LOT of gardening and occassionally drop a line in the water to try to catch a fish or two. Professionally I am a legal secretary. I enjoy trying new things. My husband has been surprised that I have stayed with stained glass for 9 years now. Better yet, in May it will be 30 years of marriage for us. Proves I can stick with something, right!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Dec 27 20:16:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:30:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: etinternet.net!BLUEHERON From: Connie Bartel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: custom doorpanel advice Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:14:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec27.171440.0> Precedence: bulk Gosh, You are all so helpful!! To answer some points I wasn't clear on. The door is in the house and used to have a stained glass panel in it that "broke" and she is wanting clear bevel design "of some sort" put in its place. Not sure if she wants a cluster or not. Thanks for the tip on building codes. Don't know why that slipped my mind but it did. Does the cluster come with everything? Or will you have to design the surronding glass and send it out to be beveled? HMMMM-not sure what you are asking here?? I don't think the buyer had any specifics in mind of designs or clusters. I think it was just what they had seen recently in the Home Depot/Lowes prefab doors and windows. I should think a glass panel like that would be from $1500 to $2500. You might better sell her an already done beveled door and get the markup as your sales commission. Where would I get such a panel?? And Skip-Thanks for the "get it in writing" All those basic things that leave us when starting out. Christie and Ann- Wow-thanks for the detailed explanations of measuring. I am sure I will have more questions as I lay this out. I am a very one-sided visual person and I am going to print these messages to help me through. Since I have not done any lead work for a very long time (20 years) any tips on this process would be helpful. You all have convinced me to not use the brass came for now but I will do a practice piece to get the hang of it. Thanks to all who replied!! Connie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 08:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:25:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: nesbeonline.com!rcollin1 From: Bob Collins To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tips Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.3212.0> Organization: CSC, Inc. Precedence: bulk I use a Black & Decker shoe polisher to brush and polish my smaller foiled pieces. My daughter gave it to me as a xmas present a number of years ago and since I retired me shoes no longer need a spit polish on them. For some of the larger pieces, especially ones where lead came is used, I have an old home type floor polisher, the water tank broke long ago. It has 3 speeds forward and one reverse. I've cut the handle down so it is easy to move about on a table. It does a superb job polishing. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 09:22:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:42:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!HiimLaura From: HiimLaura@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Trademarks Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:29:11 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec28.152911.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone know offhand the gov website for registering trademarks? thanks all, Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 09:39:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:46:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: "charlie" ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: re uk artists(brian) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:08:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.10859.0> Precedence: bulk At 20:59 27/12/99 -0000, you wrote: >i'm trying to locate thin coloured glass rods so any help would be cool. Hello Charlie - your message to Brian got posted to bungi so I am responding to there in case any other UK bungians are interested. The few flameworkers we know (as well as glassblowers) buy from Plowden and Thomson (not sure how the second name is spelt). I dont have their details as we are a stained glass supplies shop with fusing and painting supplies as well as all the usual stained glass, tools, books and materials but as yet no customers for beadmaking etc so no need to be in contact with P and T. I imagine you could find them quickly at www.eyp.co.uk. Regards Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 09:42:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:04:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: hotmail.com!marea_g From: "Marea G" To: toby@northlights.co.uk, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:03:42 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec29.0342.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Toby I am writing to you from the Capital of Australia - Canberra - and not Sydney as so many people overseas think! I am fairly new to this glass group and have been lurking in the background. I have been doing stained glass for just over a year now and am totally hooked! I went from a beginner's class and threw myself in the deep-end and finished a fairly complex tiffany lamp which turned out rather beautiful, much to my amazement! I am interested in the tallow that you mentioned and wonder if you know of any places I can purchase it in Australia. If not, I would be keen to purchase some from you to try out if you could let me know the cost. I am enjoying picking up hints and ideas from this group. Thank you and Happy New Year 2000 to all of you! Regards Marea Georgiou >From: "Toby" >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Tallow flux >Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:31:26 -0000 > >I have used ordinary tallow flux for as long as I have done stained >glass. It was the ONLY thing available to me when I first learnt. It is >widely available at most glass merchants here. And yes, I took >about 12-15 sticks out with me to USA for people to try and ended >up having to ration them by cutting them up. I'll be happy to send >some more to any of you I met while in USA to replenish what you >have used up. >I was also looking in ALL catalogs I could lay my hands on to see >if tallow candles (as I know them) were available in USA and found >only one supplier (which I wrote down SOMEWHERE...?) who had >something approaching tallow sticks. > >The tallow we use, are just that; no beeswax or other chemicals >added. They look just like a household candle without the wick, >slightly yellow, and as Steve pointed out, they are slightly >crumbly. I have not noticed that they smoke or smell. And yes they >are easy to wash off the lead - often I can even just pick it off. It's >easy to apply, just rub on gently over the joint. A small bit lasts a >long way. A whole stick costs about USD.1.50. I have also used it >for copper foil and have not noticed that it dissolves the adhesive >backing. The backing - in any case, surely - is only there to help >you work the c/f round the glass. I would not have thought that it >had any structural purpose. The adhesive would become fairly >defunct the minute you apply the hot soldering iron, ....no? >Anyhow, tallow works for copperfoil also. The only reason why it >should smell and smoke is if you put too much on. A gentle once- >over rub is all that is needed. > >Another advantage with tallow is that it doesn't spit as liquid/gel >fluxes do when you apply the iron.It's also quicker to use, doesn't >need any brushes, applicators - ....OR spray bottles (sorry Dani - >couldn't resist ;->). You can also see exactly how much you have >put on and if you have forgotten a joint >The ONLY disadvantage with tallow is that itis greasier and you >need to clean your copperfoil work more carefully afterwards (or the >patina won't take). On lead it doesn't matter so much, because the >whiting helps to get the grease off and the polish I use for cleaning >and polishing the lead, has a certain amount of grease in it anyway. >Dani, have you still got some tallow left??? Carol? Leonore? >.Cecily? ....? > >I would most certainly recommend tallow and if Tim Attwood has >made the offer to have some lambs fat rendered, I would certainly >have taken it up, had I lived in the USA. Smell?? No more so than >roast lamb.....! > >Best Wishes >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Tim, > I am too far away to be considered for this, but I would >encourage everyone to try tallow out. It is only slightly smoky, has >a >little smell, and is not known to have any of the drawbacks of >chemical >fluxes. > It cleans easily from leaded projects during the finishing >process, and will wash off copper foil projects with warm water and >dish >washing liquid. > It is a great flux and should be widely used. > >I would have thought a cost comparable to the same weight of chemical >fluxes would be appropriate. > >Steve > > >In message <1999Dec21.23735.0@?>, Tim Atwood >writes > >Out of curiosity, would anyone be interested in trying out pure tallow > >blocks? A good friend is a sheep farmer and I know they have rendered >there > >own sheeps tallow in the past. I do not know if they have any left or if > >they are willing to do it again. So I am not promissing anything, I just > >want to know if there is interest before I ask them. > >-- >Steve Richard >Verrier Art Glass Ltd >s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 10:02:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:15:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: brass came and joints/first consignment piece-need help! Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.22640.0> References: <<1999Dec27.74144.0>> Precedence: bulk One of my customers grought in a razor saw ( made by "Exacto") This saw cut zinc so fast and so clean you can bet I am adding one or 2 to my tool case. Can't wait to try it brass and copper cames. Skip ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 10:13:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:16:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: gdi.net!shodge From: Skip Hodge To: Bob Duchesneau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 07:33:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.23357.0> References: <<1999Dec27.8619.0>> Precedence: bulk I tend to agree with Bob. Make sure you keep enough water in your grinder. The water really does a great job of collecting glass dust and trapping it in the pan. Not to mention cooling your glass and bit as well as cleaning your bit. On the other hand you can never been to careful. So if you are going to wear protection be sure you use a resporator, and make sure it fits you properly. Paper masks do little to offer protection because the don't fit. (One size never fits all) Also make sure that it is rated to absorb lead fumes. Might as well kill two birds with one stone. Skip ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 10:21:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:18:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: uk artists Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:18:54 -0000 Message-ID: <199912281526.PAA11696@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello Charlie!! Welcome to Bungi-land! There are about 12 active and some-time-active Bunginians in UK. I notice that Brian (Shepherd in Cornwall?) has already been in touch with you. We are spread all over the country. I myself am based in Hertfordshire, and you may have gathered that I am recently back from 2 months across the width and breadth of USA, having met an awful many of the Americans on the Bungi-list. Tell us more about yourself; where are you based, what are you doing etc etc..... I suspect that you may possibly be fairly new to stained glass, as you otherwise might have sussed out the fair handful of stained glass artists and suppliers that are on the WEB in UK. The largest, oldest, best and doyen of suppliers, James Hetley & Co have an excellent web-site at http://www.hetleys.co.uk, for instance, as does Elizabeth & Sam Law of Bournemouth Stained Glass; Norfolk Stained Glass have also a site (where you will find the URL to Bournemouth S.G.), as do Kansa Glass. It's worthwhile having a look at various suppliers and artists link pages to explore further UK contacts and supplies. Tempsford has one too, which I (and others) find somewhat overbearing, inaccurate and arrogant.... but that's another story. Ah, yes, you certainly will need a LOT of spare cash to go there :-< You may like to join in the adventures of the USA trip and meet some of the people face to face as it were on the E-Tour Web-site, that Pamela Burns-Tappan set up at http://members.xoom.com/GlassArt1/photos.htm Best Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (Hertfordshire) anyone in the uk want to get in touch. email me ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 10:38:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:34:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:31:53 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec28.173153.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/27/99 7:41:19 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >I am not at all convinced that the WET grinding of glass is much of a >hazard. Unless you've got a well-meaning other half who thinks he/she ought to take a towel and wipe all the "sparklies" off your face - not realizing that all those sparklies can scratch, get imbedded in your skin, get flipped into your eye, etc. etc......... At any rate, glass dust is not my idea of a good snack, so if I'm grinding some really chippy glass, I pull my turtleneck up over my mouth (or if I'm not wearing a turtleneck I sometimes tie a bandana or a clean rag over my nose and mouth and end up looking like "the grinding bandit"). Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 10:42:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: alpha.nad.adelphia.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Trademarks Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:16:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199912281818.NAA04250@alpha.nad.adelphia.net> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know offhand the gov website for registering > trademarks? Laura, that's at http://www.uspto.gov/ but if you mean copyright, that's at http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 11:26:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:49:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: brian sheperd Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:36:55 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.183655.0> Precedence: bulk cheers for the sites and contacts. The Norwich shop is called Trinity stained glass, No trade and expensive, but 10 mins from my home, so handy when I run out of anything. In their defence good selection of sale glass . Broadland stained glass, I don't know how they trade anymore bit complicated but reappeared as Kerry's stained glass in Ipswich or Stowmarket they move often.Norfolk Stained Glass are a Hetley's distributor at trade prices. I agree with you about Tempsford, but its nice to see glass and how it works in light. many times I've bought glass and it just doesn't impress me for the use I wanted it for. Plus i cant get spectrum amber white granite backed locally. cheer charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 11:36:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:53:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ltdarkpoet.junglelink.co.uk!charliehodge From: "charlie" To: Subject: charlie's bad email Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.183920.0> Precedence: bulk to everyone sorry about the mime thing. old hand at stained glass, new at computers. hope i've cured it . if not ooops. charlie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 12:13:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:34:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!bobdu From: "Bob Duchesneau" To: "\"Bungi" , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:34:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.33416.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF5127.79436EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless you've got a well-meaning other half who thinks he/she ought to = take a=20 towel and wipe all the "sparklies" off your face - not realizing that = all=20 those sparklies can scratch, get imbedded in your skin, get flipped into = your=20 eye, etc. etc......... -------------------------------------------- Let me share with you my answer to this problem. I have a three sided splash shield that goes around the sides and back = of my grinder. In top of this is a piece of 1/4" plate glass that is 1 X = 2'. I look down through the glass. Might get a few glass chips on my = chest but nothing in the face. Again, grind wet to keep glass dust = problem down. I consider eye protection (my plate glass) or a = manufactures shield an absolute must. Bob in 92026 Ps: If I wanted to wear a gas mask I would have joined the Army. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF5127.79436EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unless you've got a well-meaning other half who thinks he/she ought = to take=20 a
towel and wipe all the "sparklies" off your face - not = realizing=20 that all
those sparklies can scratch, get imbedded in your skin, get = flipped=20 into your
eye, etc. etc.........
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Let me = share with you=20 my answer to this problem.
 
I have a = three sided=20 splash shield that goes around the sides and back of my grinder. In top = of this=20 is a piece of 1/4" plate glass that is 1 X 2'. I look down through = the=20 glass. Might get a few glass chips on my chest but nothing in the face. = Again,=20 grind wet to keep glass dust problem down. I consider eye protection (my = plate=20 glass) or a manufactures shield an absolute must.
 
Bob in=20 92026
 
Ps: If I = wanted to wear=20 a gas mask I would have joined the = Army.
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01BF5127.79436EA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 13:44:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:07:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Joseph's Technicolor Foilarama-- Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.11328.0> Precedence: bulk Did this come to me in a dream? And from a great wind and gathering of clouds, a thundering Voice came forth: "I say unto you my child, that, as you foil, so shall you solder." And from below came a voice trembling in awe: "But Great One, I am a klutz--my fingers are as thumbs, my thumbs no more than uprooted stumps!" The Voice then answered thus: "Until such time as you foil as the Angels, your work; though noble and well-intended, remains atrocious; an abomination in my eyes." The acolyte, thus apprised of Heavenly Truth, shouted gleefully: "Ah! Such expertise I need to approach the Heavenly Gates! May you someday find me worthy." The Voice then answered: " Persevere, my lost one, and we shall wait for you as we have awaited countless others." Then the wind died down, and it was quiet --save for the sound, somewhere down below, of copper foil, wound tight, though somewhat gnarled, on art glass. Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 14:46:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:30:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #9 built 1998-Oct-12) X-Path: ns.sympatico.ca!heinze.g From: heinze.g@ns.sympatico.ca (Gail HeinzeMiline) To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Light table Thoughts- Thanks!! Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.143328.0> Organization: Glass with Class Precedence: bulk Just wanted to thank yu all for your great ideas on the perfect light table. I really appreciated all the input. Happy New Year!! Gail in Nova Scotia, Canada ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 18:03:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:42:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:21:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.9210.0> References: <<1999Dec23.53945.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Yes, I am sure the puce as it is transmuted through the second derivative of the planar curve which is the intersection of the 4-D space with our 3-D continuum would have been quite beautiful. At least I would guess Emeraldine would have used the second derivative? This would be the more traditional choice for making 4-D puce perceivable by 3-D senses. Though on second thought, a polar transform would be quite beautiful too if Emeraldine is using an infinitely small point source for her 4-D illumination. In fact, the audial portion of such a polar transform as the limit of the illumination source approached zero would be more in keeping with what was described. If this is what Emeraldine used, the notes in the third septave of the puce must have been absolutely transcendent. Either way, I wish I could have been there to perceive it. My imagination is filled to overflowing just thinking of the possibilities. ----- Original Message ----- From: Modiano, Victor To: 'bungi' Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 7:39 AM Subject: RE: (F) - Festival at Emeraldine's and Pierre's > > > Puce is just Emeraldine's choice of glass colour for 4-D sculptures. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 18:32:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:43:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Light Tables Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:36:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.83615.0> References: <<1999Dec22.512.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk Top: For a stationary light table (i.e. weight does not matter), I have found the following best for my purposes: A permanent top of 1/4 inch clear glass. The permanent top is not frosted. Glass gives the best light transmission with little distortion. It does not yellow. Glass does not flex or bend when working on it. (Believe me, an insufficiently supported sheet of plastic which "cups" under the pressure when scoring a large sheet of glass is a recipe for disaster). Glass is also the most scratch resistant and overall durable surface. Not harmed by hot soldering irons, spilled flux, etc. A removable "disposable" sheet of inexpensive rigid greenhouse plastic (white) laid over the permanent glass top. Available in most home improvement stores. The white translucent type that is sort of like two sheets of plastic with vertical "tubes" or "walls" in between for rigidity. This sort of plastic gives good scattering of the light while the white translucent colour seems to be a fairly good colour balance. (I find I end up replacing the plastic sheet due to damage long before it has a chance to yellow). I find this type of plastic soft and flexible enough to absorb shocks when I am not so careful laying the stained glass down. Yet the underlying glass surface keeps it from cupping when I apply pressure. Soft enough so any slip while scoring does not ruin the cutter. Light enough to just pick up and shake off any small glass chips to clean it. Moderately non-slip so the glass stays put yet smooth enough so I can reposition the glass without it catching or sticking. The slight ripples from the support tubing stop a wet piece of glass from suctioning itself to the surface. The only problem I have ever found is that a soldering iron will melt the plastic, but that is why it is intended to be disposable. When it has become too damaged just spend a few bucks on a new sheet. When exact matching or viewing of the stained glass colour is critical, or when I need more light transmission because of extremely dark glass, I just lift off the removable plastic and lay the stained glass directly on top of the glass top. (Caution - make sure the glass top is clean - glass chips trapped between glass on glass is one of the surest ways to get scratches on the stained glass.) I may also work without the plastic when I am cutting directly on top of a paper pattern. Both the plastic combined with the white paper I use cut the light transmission too much for extremely dark glass. The paper pattern itself has some of the properties of the plastic, so just working with it alone between the stained glass and the glass top is sufficient. Light: I use colour balanced fluorescent tubes. Good scattered light across the entire length of the table. Fluorescent tubes do not generate as much heat as incandescent. Make sure they are truly colour balanced - otherwise you won't be seeing the colours correctly in the glass. My current favorite are Philips Ultra-Lume. These are not full spectrum in the older sense - instead they concentrate the colour spectrum in the bands which the human eye sees best. Because of this they appear to be brighter than standard fluorescents yet still give excellent colour balance. Colour balanced lights come in different "colour temperature" ratings specified in degrees Kelvin. The best way to think of what this means is to visualize heating metal. It first begins to glow red and as it is heated hotter and hotter it glows more and more "white" (or actually more in the blue / violet end of the spectrum). 2500 to 3000 degrees Kelvin is about equivalent to a standard incandescent bulb with most of the light in the lower "red" end of the spectrum with very little blue / violet. 3000 to 3500 is close to a halogen bulb. 4000 to 5000 is "daylight" and is used by many designers for exact colour viewing and matching. However, the 4500 range begins to make people and surroundings look harsh. 5500 to 6000 is equivalent to the "northern sky" lighting valued by painters for exacting colour rendition and absolutely exact colour control. I have two separately switched banks of colour balance tubes in my main light table. One is fitted with 3500 degree Kelvin Philips Ultra-Lume fluorescent tubes. The other with 5000 degree Philips Ultra-Lume. I use the 3500 lights to see how the glass will look with incandescent lights. I use the 5000 degree lights for exact colour matching and colour coordination. I use both together when I need more light for darker glass. I have recently noticed some of the smaller commercial light tables using the "cold cathode" tubes originally designed for digital colour scanners. I would assume they give excellent colour balance with almost no heat output. However, at $40 or more per tube, the cost would seem prohibitive for anything but the smallest light table. At around $10 to $15 Canadian for a four foot tube, the Philips Ultra-Lume fluorescents are a lot more reasonable. Standard Colour balanced fluorescent bulbs work with standard ballasts and tube sockets which I am able to get at many hardware / building supply stores. I do go with better quality ballasts though. The fluorescent bulbs definitely last longer, start cleaner, and have less flicker with a good quality ballast than with the cheapy Chinese made ones I tried once. I also live in a rural area. No one locally stocks more than a couple of colour balanced fluorescents at a time. However, I just asked the local lighting store and they were able to order what I wanted and have them in a day or two. I also sometimes get them from a "wholesale" (contractors) lighting supply in Vancouver where they are about $4 cheaper and always in stock. "Easel": None of my light tables have hinged tops. However, I think the next one I build I will try this. I can see many advantages to a top that tips even just a little. You would want some sort of non-slip surface though to keep glass from sliding off. It seems to me there was quite a discussion about non-slip surfaces and easel type light tables on the list about 6 months ago. These messages should be in the archives. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 18:43:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:44:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Light Tables Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:36:33 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.83633.0> References: <<1999Dec22.21820.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk I personally would not recommend either. Have you ever looked at the spread spectrum of a standard cool white or warm white fluorescent, let alone a grow light? If you have access to a spectral prism or can get your kid (or a neighbors kid if you don't have one handy) to borrow one from science class, try it. You will see huge gaps in the spectrum where no light is being generated. This means that if any glass you are looking at has colours in this part of the spectrum, you won't see them. When later, possibly already incorporated in a piece, you view it under sunlight you may well find to your horror that the glass does not look anything like you though it did. I find the problem even worse in glass than many other mediums. I suspect the metallic pigments used in glass often have a narrower band of wavelength response. In other words, a gap in the spectrum of the light you are using will distort the colour even more than a pigment which reflects in a wider band (wider band = more likely to catch a wavelength being generated). I guess proper lighting and colour balance is one of my pet things. I do not buy clothes in Walmart for much the same reason. Walmart (and many other "cheap" stores) light with standard fluorescents. Too many times I have bought something that looked like a great colour in the store. Only to find it looked like crap when I later wore it outside in sunlight. Not again. I only buy things where the colour matters in stores with proper colour balanced lighting or when they will let me take it over to a window to look at in sunlight. I guess I'm just picky about how good thing look :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Gail HeinzeMiline Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Light Tables > >I've been told that the "grow" lights are very good - my husband just used regular flourescent ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 19:10:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:53:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: holtenwood.bc.ca!tim From: "Tim Atwood" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Other creative outlets? Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:52:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.9527.0> References: <<1999Dec20.24722.0>> Organization: Holtenwood Studios Precedence: bulk A bit late, but here goes. (Does creative procrastination count?) Woodworking. Crewel embroidery. Acting in the local theatre group (the amazing and stupendous Rock Island Players!). Gardening. Running an art gallery (though after the Christmas rush I think this is more a creative drain than an outlet). Writing bad haiku. "I Suffer Occasional Delusions of Adequacy." Tim Atwood - Glass and Wood http://www.holtenwood.bc.ca/studios.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 19:50:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:39:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: oma@thegrid.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:38:01 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec29.2381.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/22/1999 2:26:04 PM EST, oma@thegrid.net writes: > ail with an address to send > the money to? > > Oma Naranjo > oma@thegrid.net sorry to take so long responding. I have been taking some time off of work, and so I didn't have access to the flux, on a daily basis, like usually. I'll post this to the newsletter, too, only one other person responded. Good thing too, I think I just have about five of them on hand. It's great stuff for lead in particular. My address, is: Stained Glass by Anne anson 326 West kalamazoo Avenue, Suite 206 Kalamazoo, MI 49008-3352 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 20:52:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:25:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Tim Atwood , Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Light Tables Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:48:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec28.174830.0> References: <<1999Dec28.83633.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Can't say I've used a prism, and I certainly believe you. But I don't buy glass I can't see in real light, and I always check it under "real" light before cutting. So I'm not really using the light table for choosing the glass. My basement is such a cave I wouldn't rely on any artificial light. I do use the light table to make certain I am incorporating a wanted swirl or wisp or other interesting spot, or that I'm over the spot I think I am. Otherwise I use it for making duplicates of patterns, when I cannot scan something, and am too cheap to go to Kinkos (or another copy place), and for "Englishing" - tracing on the glass or cutting on the glass with the pattern underneath. I often buy much of the glass needed for a project around the same time, checking colors, and then set aside the glass intended for that project, pulling any glass on hand to set aside also. And I also go thru my glass scraps, sorted by size and color, before buying new. And I agree with you - I don't buy clothes that I cannot at least return if daylight reveals my treasure to be dross. You should see me in front of a paint store with my wallpaper and paint chips. BTW, where in BC are you located? I've had the pleasure of seeing a little and B.C. stands for beautiful country! > I personally would not recommend either. Have you ever looked at the spread > spectrum of a standard cool white or warm white fluorescent, let alone a > grow light? If you have access to a spectral prism or can get your kid (or > a neighbors kid if you don't have one handy) to borrow one from science > class, try it. > > I only buy things where the colour matters in stores with proper > colour balanced lighting or when they will let me take it over to a window > to look at in sunlight. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cecily and Ralph Wood > To: Gail HeinzeMiline > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 11:08 PM > Subject: Re: Light Tables > > > > >I've been told that the "grow" lights are very good - my husband just used > regular flourescent > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Dec 28 21:52:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:20:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!yuutjjy219 From: To: cv56@aol.com Subject: Diploma Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:18:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk UNIVERSITY DIPLOMAS Obtain a prosperous future, money earning power, and the admiration of all. 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CALL NOW to receive your diploma within days!!! 1-212-465-3248 Call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including Sundays and holidays. rem-- tech88@popmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 03:03:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:19:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:45:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1999Dec29.84528.0> References: <<1999Dec28.173153.0@?>> Precedence: bulk I finally see what you are getting at. I have not had this problem, as I place a sheet of glass about 8 by 6 inches in a holder provided by the manufacturer that places the glass above the grinding bit. This has to be wiped frequently to remove the grit that gets stuck to it. This simple device prevents any glass being thrown up at the worker. A previous grinder did not have such a holder. So I rigged something to provide similar protection. With this elementary precaution, I agree with Bob that the need for goggles, respiratory and other protective devices is very small. In my view, it should not be possible to sell grinders without a protective layer above the grinding head. Steve In message <1999Dec28.173153.0@?>, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes > >In a message dated 12/27/99 7:41:19 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: > >>I am not at all convinced that the WET grinding of glass is much of a >>hazard. > >Unless you've got a well-meaning other half who thinks he/she ought to take a >towel and wipe all the "sparklies" off your face - not realizing that all >those sparklies can scratch, get imbedded in your skin, get flipped into your >eye, etc. etc......... > >At any rate, glass dust is not my idea of a good snack, so if I'm grinding >some really chippy glass, I pull my turtleneck up over my mouth (or if I'm >not wearing a turtleneck I sometimes tie a bandana or a clean rag over my >nose and mouth and end up looking like "the grinding bandit"). > >Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! > > >Sparks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 10:08:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Scoring ice! Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec29.73430.0> Precedence: bulk Every morning I walk our dogs out on the cranberry bogs just down the road. The bogs were flooded last week to protect them over the winter and are now iced over pretty well. Of course, we have to try the ice--it looked pretty solid this morning, and held up to the dogs well, but when I started out onto it, it began to crack. What was interesting was that it was like scoring glass--a long curving S shaped line went out from where I stood for nearly 100 feet--with a great groaning sound (like the sound you hear during an earthquake). The dogs didn't like that sound and ran off the ice, while I backed off gently. Reminds me that ice is a type of glass! Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 13:35:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:00:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:57:38 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec29.205738.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/28/99 3:14:51 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: >I have a three sided splash shield that goes around the sides and back >of my grinder. In top of this is a piece of 1/4" plate glass that is 1 X 2'. At home I set up my grinder inside an old aquarium that's been turned on its side. At the shop we usually just wear goggles. (As soon as I can afford it, I'm going to invest in a pair of proper industrial safety glasses...... I'm in need of a new glasses prescription anyway.) >Ps: If I wanted to wear a gas mask I would have joined the Army. I hate the things too, but after my doctor nearly had a heart attack over my slightly elevated blood lead level a couple of months ago, I figure it's worth it. And I absolutely swear by the face mask for puttying, because the turp and linseed fumes give me a headache (and I don't need to be breathing whiting dust anyway). Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 14:05:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:21:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: Joseph Augusta , glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:21:06 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec29.9216.0> References: <<1999Dec29.73430.0>> Precedence: bulk It is 70 degrees at my house. Sunny and warm. My kids and I are about to walk to the park to kick the soccer ball around. I have the heat off and windows open in the house and my studio opened up..airing out. The air smells wonderful! It's fun to get a little glimpse of the differences in living in different areas. Ive never in my life been anywhere where you could walk on ice. Ive never seen a frozen over pond or lake except on TV and in movies. I have seen partially frozen and do get the occaisional snow storm where the snow lasts a couple of days. ;o) Enjoying a really mild winter so far, but dreading the fleas, ticks and mosquitoes that arent being frozen out.' Suzanne in Tulsa Joseph Augusta wrote: > > Every morning I walk our dogs out on the cranberry bogs just down the > road. The bogs were flooded last week to protect them over the winter > and are now iced over pretty well. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 15:36:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:07:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ghostman.com!Candy From: "Candy Thurman" To: "glass@bungi.com" , "Suzanne Gunn" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Wed, 29 Dec 99 15:20:36 Message-ID: <199912292220.PAA20692@mantis.privatei.com> Precedence: bulk No ice here (in Denver) Is 65 outside.. just wait till tomorrow (will probably be no higher than 20!) Candy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 19:35:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:04:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec29.162810.0> References: <<1999Dec29.84528.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Speaking for short people, this glass protective layer is often not effective when you aren't tall enough to look down thru the glass. Many a class I've taken where the grinder sits up on a workbench or counter, and I'm pretty much looking at the grinder from the side. Mine at home is at a much lower level, and I grind very wet, but still wear goggles over my glasses, and a cheapy filter over the nose to protect from stray bits. I also wear a tyvek or remay covering on my head since getting the glass bits out of my hair is annoying. I seriously doubt if the particles are fine enough to need a real face mask/respirator - we're not talking fumes here. - Cec Steve Richard wrote: > I finally see what you are getting at. I have not had this > problem, as I place a sheet of glass about 8 by 6 inches in a holder > provided by the manufacturer that places the glass above the grinding > bit. This has to be wiped frequently to remove the grit that gets stuck > to it. This simple device prevents any glass being thrown up at the > worker. > A previous grinder did not have such a holder. So I rigged > something to provide similar protection. > With this elementary precaution, I agree with Bob that the need > for goggles, respiratory and other protective devices is very small. > In my view, it should not be possible to sell grinders without a > protective layer above the grinding head. > > Steve > > In message <1999Dec28.173153.0@?>, Witchdoc3@aol.com writes > > > >In a message dated 12/27/99 7:41:19 PM, bobdu@prodigy.net writes: > > > >>I am not at all convinced that the WET grinding of glass is much of a > >>hazard. > > > >Unless you've got a well-meaning other half who thinks he/she ought to take a > >towel and wipe all the "sparklies" off your face - not realizing that all > >those sparklies can scratch, get imbedded in your skin, get flipped into your > >eye, etc. etc......... > > > >At any rate, glass dust is not my idea of a good snack, so if I'm grinding > >some really chippy glass, I pull my turtleneck up over my mouth (or if I'm > >not wearing a turtleneck I sometimes tie a bandana or a clean rag over my > >nose and mouth and end up looking like "the grinding bandit"). > > > >Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas! > > > > > >Sparks > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > -- > Steve Richard > Verrier Art Glass Ltd > s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Dec 29 20:08:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:31:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: Suzanne Gunn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:37:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec29.18378.0> References: <<1999Dec29.9216.0>> Precedence: bulk > It's fun to get a little glimpse of the differences in living in > different areas. Ive never in my life been anywhere where you could > walk on ice. Ive never seen a frozen over pond or lake except on TV and > in movies. Suzanne, I grew up in the Houston, Texas area. It not only never snowed, it never froze. My only experience with snow flakes was pictures in books. I thought snow flakes were 1"-2" in diameter. Imagine my disappointment the first time I saw **real** snow. Little bitty tiny pieces of nothing. Where was the lace? sigh. Then I moved to Milwaukee for seven years. I could live without ever seeing snow again!!! 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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:21:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.22152.0> References: <<199912292220.PAA20692@mantis.privatei.com>> Precedence: bulk I never get any ice :( Skip Winter Grden, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 05:39:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 05:29:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: sympatico.ca!tandg.higson From: Anthony Higson To: Joseph Augusta Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:35:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.23556.0> References: <<1999Dec29.73430.0@l.pop50.bellglobal.com>> Precedence: bulk Okay people,stop rubbing it in . Not only do we have ice,we have snow.And we will have a lot more before spring. Just to insert a glass related subject, I have an inland foiler and haven't been able to make it work. I thought it was me till I read a bungi mail about them. Does anyone have any ideas about how to make the #$%@*& thing work so I can use it once in a while and stop kicking myself for wasting money. Happy New Year and regards Gillian Joseph Augusta wrote: > Every morning I walk our dogs out on the cranberry bogs just down the > road. The bogs were flooded last week to protect them over the winter > and are now iced over pretty well. Of course, we have to try the > ice--it looked pretty solid this morning, and held up to the dogs well, > but when I started out onto it, it began to crack. What was interesting > was that it was like scoring glass--a long curving S shaped line went > out from where I stood for nearly 100 feet--with a great groaning sound > (like the sound you hear during an earthquake). The dogs didn't like > that sound and ran off the ice, while I backed off gently. Reminds me > that ice is a type of glass! > > Best wishes, > Joseph > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 07:10:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: mindspring.com!pigznpawz From: "Jerri" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: site for selling used tools? Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.4366.0> Precedence: bulk A while back, someone posted on bungi, a bulletin board site for selling things like used tools, etc. Does anyone have the address? Or has anyone sold stuff like this on ebay. I have a Fletcher strip/circle cutter and an Inland foiler that I'd like to get rid of because I don't use them. Any other ideas on where to post something like this? Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 08:37:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:12:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasscc To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Foiler advice Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:16:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19991230111552.0069bed8@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk >At 08:35 AM 12/30/99 -0600, Anthony Higson wrote: >>Okay people,stop rubbing it in . Not only do we have ice,we have snow.And >>we will have a lot more before spring. Just to insert a glass related >>subject, I have an inland foiler and haven't been able to make it work. I >>thought it was me till I read a bungi mail about them. Does anyone have any >>ideas about how to make the #$%@*& thing work so I can use it once in a >>while and stop kicking myself for wasting money. Yes, I do! First of all flip up the glass guard that is over the wheels where the foil comes through. It's not always a uniform thickness and the glass doesn't slide through easily. Secondly, adjust the tightness of the screw holding the 3/16 or 7/32 wheel in place. That will make your wheel turn more slowly, or fast depending on your skill level. If that screw is too tight, you will get crimped mangled foil every time. Thirdly, adjust the screw holding the foil on, so that roll moves smoothly and at the speed you want to go at. Fourth, make sure the glass is rolled over the top of the wheel that crimps and not down the front of it. This will keep the pace where you want it, instead of running down the front of the wheel a mile a minute. Fifth, keep your eyes peeled on each side of the glass to help center it. Yes the machine does most of the work, but it really is up to you to keep the glass in place where it should be. Sixth, make sure you are either using the suction cups (and that they ARE holding the foiler in place) or that you have mounted the foiler on a suitably heavy board (I have mine screwed into two 3/4" particle boards stacked on top of each other 8" square). This will hold the foiler down and keep it from sliding around. If nothing is working, recheck to make sure you are using the 3/16 wheels with the 3/16" foil, in BOTH places. Same for 7/32 or 1/4". If you have the wrong size foil on a wheel it will cause it to wobble around and not be centered on your glass. I still usually burnish the crimped edges after using the foiler, so that my solder doesn't turn out wavy. But sometimes I don't burnish each piece but use a rubbermaid pot scraper to smooth them all down at once after they are pinned to my board. Good Luck! I really like this foiler and I know it can give people problems, but persevere, I think it's worth it. Joyce ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 09:37:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Kauriee From: Kauriee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Weather Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:13:44 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec30.171344.0> Precedence: bulk > It's fun to get a little glimpse of the differences in living in > different areas. Ive never in my life been anywhere where you could > walk on ice. Ive never seen a frozen over pond or lake except on TV and > in movies. I lived in Fairbanks Alaska for 6 years where one of the rivers actually becomes a ROAD after it freezes over!! Kauriee Wood The Looking Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 13:07:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: hotmail.com!lauriegood From: "laurie good" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:59:25 PST Message-ID: <1999Dec30.195925.0> Precedence: bulk >From: Hilary >To: Suzanne Gunn >Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:37:08 -0400 > > > It's fun to get a little glimpse of the differences in living in > > different areas. Ive never in my life been anywhere where you could > > walk on ice. Ive never seen a frozen over pond or lake except on TV and > > in movies. > >Suzanne, > >I grew up in the Houston, Texas area. It not only never snowed, it never >froze. My only experience with snow flakes was pictures in books. I >thought snow flakes were 1"-2" in diameter. Imagine my disappointment >the first time I saw **real** snow. Little bitty tiny pieces of nothing. >Where was the lace? sigh. Then I moved to Milwaukee for seven years. I We have plenty of ice, even on our windows. Along the Yukon River our temp this morning is -60! Very cold but not a breeze in the sky. Most autos are frozen so we hoof it, bundled up tightly. Not many places to go since the mail won't arrive, the planes don't fly when it is this cold. I'm not very worried about any millennium bugs here. Hope you all have a wonderful new year. Laurie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 13:30:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:15:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!cecnralph From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Bungi Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:14:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.101427.0> References: <<1999Dec30.23556.0>> Organization: Grendel Studios Precedence: bulk Yes. Either flip up the fingers that are supposed to hold the glass, or reshape them so the opening is wider but the back is still tight enough to help hold the glass steady and at the same angle all the time you are foiling it. I took the fingers off and used my ringsaw to chew away and round the inner edges and curve the front inside edge toward the outside in a curve. You will still get a shirred or gathered ruffle effect on the foil at the sides, but it will lay the foil down on the glass edge pretty straight. Anthony Higson wrote: > Okay people,stop rubbing it in . Not only do we have ice,we have snow.And > we will have a lot more before spring. Just to insert a glass related > subject, I have an inland foiler and haven't been able to make it work. I > thought it was me till I read a bungi mail about them. Does anyone have any > ideas about how to make the #$%@*& thing work so I can use it once in a > while and stop kicking myself for wasting money. > Happy New Year and regards > Gillian > > Joseph Augusta wrote: > > > Every morning I walk our dogs out on the cranberry bogs just down the > > road. The bogs were flooded last week to protect them over the winter > > and are now iced over pretty well. Of course, we have to try the > > ice--it looked pretty solid this morning, and held up to the dogs well, > > but when I started out onto it, it began to crack. What was interesting > > was that it was like scoring glass--a long curving S shaped line went > > out from where I stood for nearly 100 feet--with a great groaning sound > > (like the sound you hear during an earthquake). The dogs didn't like > > that sound and ran off the ice, while I backed off gently. Reminds me > > that ice is a type of glass! > > > > Best wishes, > > Joseph > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ********************************************************************* * Cecily Taylor Cummings Wood and/or Ralph Bernard Wood * Grendel Studio (Glass, Graphics, Gardens, Genealogy) ********************************************************************* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 13:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:32:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Mail Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.102944.0> Precedence: bulk Haven't received any Glass E-mail for over a week now!! What's up? Doug Scale Fire Creations in Glass Corunna, Ontario ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 14:48:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:45:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!gunnx4 From: Suzanne Gunn To: laurie good Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:43:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.94356.0> References: <<1999Dec30.195925.0>> Precedence: bulk OUCH, when it gets cold here, I promise not to complain. I dont think I could do -60. I dont think I could pay the power and or wood bill. How many wood stoves do you have? Suzanne laurie good wrote: > We have plenty of ice, even on our windows. Along the Yukon River our temp > this morning is -60! Very cold but not a breeze in the sky. Most autos are > frozen so we hoof it, bundled up tightly. Not many places to go since the > mail won't arrive, the planes don't fly when it is this cold. I'm not very > worried about any millennium bugs here. Hope you all have a wonderful new > year. > Laurie > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 15:08:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:04:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aisl.bc.ca!atwoods From: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" To: , "Bungi Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Light Tables Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:55:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.55535.0> References: <<38698482.2C1EDBAD@home.com>> Precedence: bulk Texada Island. Located between Vancouver Island and the mainland. Up between Courtney/Comox and Powell River. An especially beautiful spot in a whole province of beauty. Water, trees, rock, sky, the special colours of "oyster light" coastal BC gets through the rain clouds and mist... Much of my artistic inspiration comes from all this beauty around me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecily and Ralph Wood To: Tim Atwood ; Bungi Glass Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Light Tables > BTW, where in BC are you located? I've had the pleasure of seeing a little and > B.C. stands for beautiful country! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 15:10:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:28:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!elmel1 From: "Mel" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Keep those cards & letters coming Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.121828.0> Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 16:55:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:37:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: laurie good Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.12105.0> References: <<1999Dec30.195925.0>> Precedence: bulk laurie good wrote: > Along the Yukon River our temp this morning is -60! Hi Laurie! Two questions: Where do you live? Why? Best wishes, Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 17:23:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:02:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: BMarhon@aol.com To: pigznpawz@mindspring.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: site for selling used tools? Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:58:34 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec30.235834.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri, I sell on ebay all the time, not glass items but just used stuff like you would sell at a yard sale. It depends on whether you get two buyers who want the item and get into a bidding war whether you get a decent price or not. A guy at work traded me an orange juice reamer to for two plastic chairs just a few weeks ago. I listed it for $9.99 and it sold for $157.50! I had no idea it was a rare item. Just start the bidding at the lowest amount you would settle for and almost everything sells within two 7 day cycles. I like to start my stuff on Sunday afternoon so that it is ending on Saturday-Sunday when I think the most people might be looking. I could be wrong though because I bid or look almost every day! Good luck! Brenda << A while back, someone posted on bungi, a bulletin board site for selling things like used tools, etc. Does anyone have the address? Or has anyone sold stuff like this on ebay. I have a Fletcher strip/circle cutter and an Inland foiler that I'd like to get rid of because I don't use them. Any other ideas on where to post something like this? Thanks, Jerri >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 17:54:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:39:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: vnet.net!thomm From: "Tom" To: "laurie good" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:37:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.143733.0> References: <<1999Dec30.195925.0>> Precedence: bulk From: "laurie good" Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! : We have plenty of ice, even on our windows. Along the Yukon River our temp : this morning is -60! Very cold but not a breeze in the sky. Most autos are : frozen so we hoof it, bundled up tightly. Not many places to go since the : mail won't arrive, the planes don't fly when it is this cold. I'm not very : worried about any millennium bugs here. Hope you all have a wonderful new : year. : Laurie Laurie, How far removed from *everything* are you? I've always dreamed about one day going to the Northwest Territories and the Yukon. Are you close to there? I admire those that brave those types of elements you mention for your stamina and intestinal fortitude. Wow! I can't imagine how beautiful nature must be in your part of the world. Details, please? Thanks! ;) Tom - in the lower 48, North Carolina to be exact ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 18:56:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:38:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "laurie good" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:29:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.132934.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "laurie good" >I'm not very = worried about any millennium bugs here. Hope you all have a wonderful new= = year.< We're not too worried about bugs in my neck of the woods either! Beautiful weather... sweater weather... in the 60's and typical Colorado blue skies and = sunshine. Went to the bank to deposit the last commission check of the year and it was deserted! Makes me feel like most folks in the world are = normal and balanced and taking life in stride. Have a safe and wonderful New Years celebration and much health, happiness, and prosperity to you all in the new year. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Dec 30 19:10:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:43:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: Hilary To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.164929.0> References: <<1999Dec29.162810.0>> Precedence: bulk I have one of those plastic face shields that is on a band on the head. I can flip it up or down at will. It covers from forehead to neck and I don't have to buy a pair of safety glasses cause it covers my glasses too. It also causes massively bad hair days!:-{ Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 07:05:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:45:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!jnb From: To: gf775@aol.com Subject: Know Your Rights Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:44:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec30.17445.0> Precedence: bulk INTERNATIONAL DRIVER'S LICENSE Need a new driver's license? Too many points or other trouble? Want a license that can never be suspended or revoked? Want ID for nightclubs or hotel check-in? Avoid tickets, fines, and mandatory driver's education. Protect your privacy, and hide your identity. The United Nations gave you the privilege to drive freely throughout the world! 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CALL NOW!!! 1-937-586-9313 rem- microdfg99@angelfire.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 07:05:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 04:35:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!leetollett From: lee tollett To: Bungi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------84949EC3051459E8C840DAEC" Subject: Happy New Year Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:14:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.01413.0> Precedence: bulk --------------84949EC3051459E8C840DAEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new Year to all :-) And may the Y2K bug stay away from your computers... Lee --------------84949EC3051459E8C840DAEC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Happy new Year to all   :-)     And may the Y2K  bug stay away from your computers...
                                              Lee
  --------------84949EC3051459E8C840DAEC-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 10:06:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:57:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!boe7 From: Lee Boe To: lee tollett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG-Surgery Update & HAPPY NEW YEAR-MILLENNIUM Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:37:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.73757.0> References: <<1999Dec31.01413.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All my Bungi Friends and kind wishes and prayers you have sent as I recover from this major surgery. I wish everyone a great new Millennium, Decade, Century and New Year. The Surgery was successful, two and a half months in a non weight bearing cast to go. Every adult should have to spend (without being hurt) at least 48 hours in a wheelchair. It changes your prospective on the whole world. Example-Public Places with wheelchair labeled restrooms-a stall with enough room, but a main entry door that a wheelchair can't get through just one of the many annoyances you run into. I could list many more. Any kind of bone surgery (I have two more joints in my foot fused with bone grafts) Pain like 4 migraines, and an abscessed tooth all at the same time. Unbelievable. Loss of sleep from Pain, and so on and so on. Our own Howard Rubin has gone through an even worse surgery for a hip replacement. I hope he is well, and on the mend. My Hospital room sharer had a double hip replacement, and I could see what she was going through. OUUUUUUUUWWWWWWWWWWW. Then to top off all the list of troubles, a computer virus killed my main computer on Christmas day. Some real viruses are out there, and this one (unidentified) came in on an e-mail. I have just had to go through a complete reformat of its hard drive, lost everything, including e-mail addresses. I am using my really old computer for mail retrieval. With luck I should have every thing re-installed in a few days, but can only work on it a short while every day. So my wishes for the new year are that no one on the list have to every go through these problems and health crises. If you haven't had bone surgery you have no clue how bad it is. I'll be using this computer for e-mail retrieval now, to avoid this kind of trouble in the future. This one is easy to reformat and fix, the other is not. Please, everyone send me your e-mail addresses (at this address) so I can rebuild the list. Thank you all again for all the kind wishes and cards, I even got a beautiful flower arrangement from some list members. It came just when I needed it most. Thank you all. Happy New year, and a better for everyone decade ahead. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 10:21:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:58:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: NG Scoring ice! Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:27:41 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec31.162741.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/30/99 4:10:35 PM, lauriegood@hotmail.com writes: >Along the Yukon River our temp >this morning is -60! YIKES! That's about 120 degrees too cold for me!!!!!!!! Coldest I've ever seen was -20 in Pittsburgh, PA in 1976. Wind chill was -70! My car wouldn't start and I had to get to school that day for a midterm exam. Only time in my life I've ever hitchhiked. Got a nice cozy ride with a young woman on her way to work who was gracious enough to stop not only for me but for 4 other frozen souls and deliver us all to our destinations...... taking her several miles out of her way and making her at least another hour late for work. Bless her very soul! Sparks thin-blooded native Southern Californian who used to reach for the ski jacket if it got below +60 (really!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 10:42:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:04:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: Witchdoc3@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Protection during glass grinding Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:08:44 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec31.17844.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/30/99 10:10:34 PM, hilary@voicenet.com writes: >I have one of those plastic face shields that is on a band on the head. I've occasionally thought about getting one of those - like every time we've got an enormous copperfoil project going and I have to spend several days grinding! >It also causes massively bad hair days!:-{ No problem. I'm already having a Bad Hair Life! =8-O Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 11:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:33:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: bankpds.com!avssg From: "Anna Verbsky Sagami" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Painting & Fusing & Happy 2000! Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:05:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.1511.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BF536E.24DE0020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been sitting back and reading all your e-mails, How nice it must = be to have temp's above 50! I live in Prairie du Sac, WI and our highs = have been 30-35. One good thing it's too cold to be outside so guess = where I'm at? yes, in my studio working with all of you. Springs and = Summers are hard to be in the studio. I love to garden so making a = career in glass when it's nice out is hard... I am learning the painting and fusing on glass, any of you that are = past that stage or are in the same boat as I, let me know! It would = be nice to learn with someone, or even have some tips along the way. = There are no places in "WI" to learn painting or fusing. I guess this = is "Cow town U.S.A." and I am in the middle of the cows! I guess I will = have to go to another state or even Germany to learn some techniques. = Maybe some day I will find a studio or store that will let an artist in = to learn some techniques. Until then, let your education on painting = and fusing type away. Talk to you next year! Sincerely, Anna Verbsky Sagami ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BF536E.24DE0020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been sitting back and reading = all your=20 e-mails,  How nice it must be to have temp's above 50!  I live = in=20 Prairie du Sac, WI and our highs have been 30-35.  One good thing = it's too=20 cold to be outside so guess where I'm at?  yes, in my studio = working with=20 all of you.  Springs and Summers are hard to be in the=20 studio.  I love to garden so making a career in glass when = it's nice=20 out is hard...
 
I am learning the painting and fusing = on=20 glass,  any of you that are past that stage or are in the same boat = as=20 I,  let me know!   It would be nice to learn with = someone, =20 or even have some tips along the way.  There are no places in "WI" = to learn=20 painting or fusing.  I guess this is "Cow town U.S.A." and I am in = the=20 middle of the cows!  I guess I will have to go to another state or = even=20 Germany to learn some techniques.  Maybe some day I will find a = studio or=20 store that will let an artist in to learn some techniques.  Until=20 then,  let your education on painting and fusing type = away.
 
Talk to you next year!
Sincerely,
Anna Verbsky = Sagami
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01BF536E.24DE0020-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 11:24:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: ply.adelphia.net!jaugusta From: Joseph Augusta To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Representing melting ice-- Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:09:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.6917.0> Precedence: bulk Since it's been in the 40's the last couple of days the ice on the cranberry bogs is melting. The pattern formed on the thin ice is identical to Spectrum's Clear Artique! So if you're considering building a panel with a title something like *Sping Thaw on Monongahela Bay* and need an authentic look to your ice--it's Spectrum 100A. Best wishes, and Happy New Year! Joseph ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 11:33:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:34:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: prodigy.net!burnsidepe From: "Paul & Estelle" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Stained Glass Info Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:25:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.52510.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF5379.513C0760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please place me on your list for information. Thank you. = Burnsidepe@prodigy.net Estelle Burnside ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF5379.513C0760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01BF5379.513C0760-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 11:52:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:03:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: aol.com!MATRONA From: MATRONA@aol.com To: delores@artglassconcepts.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tallow flux Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 07:58:45 EST Message-ID: <1999Dec31.125845.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 12/30/99 10:24:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, delores@artglassconcepts.com writes: I hope I haven't been too optimisitic about the postage, but what I said was two bucks would get you a stick of the tallow flux. If it becomes too expensive, i might have to up it a bit, but I'm pretty sure, not much. Anne > To: MATRONA@aol.com > > What's the cost? > > -----Original Message----- > From: MATRONA@aol.com [mailto:MATRONA@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 6:38 PM > To: oma@thegrid.net; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Tallow flux > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 12:10:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:18:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: home.com!wwstamps From: Sharon Milliken To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: happy new year Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:54:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.85459.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Happy New Year to all! May it be a great year for Glass. In response to protection while grinding: I use a full face shield that is affixed to a hat band as described. I got it at Lowe's for around 9 bucks.in the safety equipment area. I'm sure Home Depot or Eagle's, Ace Hardware, True Value..any of those places should have these things. It keeps the glass off my face and neck.Since I already wear glasses it keeps me from having to have 2 pairs on. I have also on occasion found a shower cap useful for keeping glass out of my hair. With the "hat Shield" I don't get so much glass in my hair. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 12:36:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:10:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: Dani Greer To: "Anna Verbsky Sagami" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Painting & Fusing & Happy 2000! Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.10536.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Anna Verbsky Sagami" > I am learning the painting and fusing on glass, any of you that are =3D past that stage or are in the same boat as I, let me know! It would =3D= be nice to learn with someone, or even have some tips along the way. =3D= There are no places in "WI" to learn painting or fusing. I guess this =3D= is "Cow town U.S.A." and I am in the middle of the cows! I guess I will = =3D have to go to another state or even Germany to learn some techniques. =3D= Maybe some day I will find a studio or store that will let an artist in =3D= to learn some techniques. Until then, let your education on painting =3D= and fusing type away. < Three issues of Common Ground:Glass last year had articles on glass painting for the beginner. The final one will be in the Spring 2000 issue and that issue will also focus on Warm/Hot glass with a = marvelous start-up article by our very own bungi pal, Brad Walker. Brad, maybe you could refer Anne to your marvelous website. I will also try to complete a project that combines fusing and painting for = that issue. So, you came to the right place! Contact Christie Wood, executive director of the International Guild of Glass Artists, for info on the CGG and back issues. Happy New year all! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios www.igga.org/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 18:05:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: unitytustin.org!computerministry From: "Bud Britt" To: , Subject: Fw: Happy New Year Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.94555.0> Precedence: bulk This is from Lee Boe, If any of you emailed her, she lost her hard drive to a nasty virus, so lost all addresses, ya might send a hello so she can rebuild her address book. Sincerely, Bud Britt computerministry@unitytustin.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Boe To: Bud Britt Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 12:27 PM Subject: Happy New Year > Hi Bud, > > Thank you for sending the jokes, and info. Can you send me the > Intrastar list and member page link, I lost it too > > > Best wishes, everyone a great new Millennium, Decade, Century and New > Year. I hope your Mom is doing fine. > > The Surgery was successful, two and a half months in a non weight > bearing cast to go. Every adult should have to spend (without being > hurt) at least 48 hours in a wheelchair. It changes your prospective on > the whole world. > > Example-Public Places with wheelchair labeled restrooms-a stall with > enough room, but a main entry door that a wheelchair can't get through > just one of the many annoyances you run into. I could list many more. > > Any kind of bone surgery (I have two more joints in my foot fused with > bone grafts) Pain like 4 migraines, and an abscessed tooth all at the > same time. Unbelievable. Loss of sleep from Pain, and so on and so on. > > Our own Howard Rubin has gone through an even worse surgery for a hip > replacement. I hope he is well, and on the mend. My Hospital room > sharer had a double hip replacement, and I could see what she was going > through. OUUUUUUUUWWWWWWWWWWW. > > Then to top off all the list of troubles, a computer virus killed my > main computer on Christmas day. Some real viruses are out there, and > this one (unidentified) came in on an e-mail. I have just had to go > through a complete reformat of its hard drive, lost everything, > including e-mail addresses. I am using my really old computer for mail > retrieval. With luck I should have every thing re-installed in a few > days, but can only work on it a short while every day. > > So my wishes for the new year are that no one on the list have to ever > go through these problems and health crises. If you haven't had bone > surgery you have no clue how bad it is. > > I'll be using this computer for e-mail retrieval now, to avoid this kind > of trouble in the future. This one is easy to reformat and fix, the > other is not. > > Happy New year, and a better for everyone decade ahead. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Dec 31 18:47:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:05:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #15 built 1999-Dec-20) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: NG Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:32:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1999Dec31.153213.0> Precedence: bulk HAPPY AND SAFE 2000, EVERYONE! Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass