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Hi Everyone,
     I've been requested to send in a Bio. so here goes. My name is Monica.
I'm married with three boys ages 19, 15, and 13. We live in Minnesota and
love it here although the winters could be shorter. I'm employed full-time
as a Paramedic. I've been working on the ambulance for over 10 years now. We
work very long hours (24 hour shifts) and average over 144 hours every two
weeks. I also teach medical related classes (C.P.R., E.M.T. classes) on
average of once a week. Obviously my schedule is not very conducive to most
hobbies because I need to be able to work on them at short intervals in
between other things.  I became interested in stained glass through a friend
who does it as a hobby. So far I have only made 2 suncatchers and am now
working on my first panel.  I have not taken any formal classes although my
friend has been an enormous help. I have never been a very crafty person. I
can't draw to save my life. So this hobby is great, there are patterns to
follow. I stumbled upon this group while surfing the web in search of
patterns. (In the area we live the closest stained glass store is many miles
away so finding patterns is hard.) I was amazed at the quick insightful
response from all of you on my first question's. They were all very helpful.
I did not know there were different thickness of foil. Also the advise on
holding oval patterns were great. I'm going to try all of them to see which
will work out best for me.  I'm also trying a new E mail format thanks to
Bud Britt. I hope this is easier to read.  Thank you for the warm welcome to
your group. I look forward to getting to know you all better.
Sincerely,
Monica

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I'm going to be travelling this summer and will get to stay for a couple of
nights in Kokomo. Anyone have a recommendation for a reasonably priced bed
& breakfast in the area of Kokomo?

regards,
charlie
phx, az
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Hot here, too.  We want to pour garden stones tonight, so will probably set up
lights and wait until nightfall!

Dorothy (who took the good weather with her when she came back from Seattle.)

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We just returned from Seattle.  Dorothy's a bit tired, but I find travel
not only exhilarating, but a necessity of life.  There will always be a
bit of that itinerant vitreous worker in me, I suppose.  In any case, I
found the time to do a bit a research on the Space Needle.

Back when the Space Needle was first proposed (it was built for the
World's Fair in 1962), there were no clear windows in the design.  After
all, there's no view in Seattle half the time (just check the weather
forecast, anytime.  "If it isn't raining, it isn't Seattle" - Dorothy
read that on a web page somewhere).  The original specifications called
for stained glass windows all around.  The itinerant vitreous workers
made plans to converge on Seattle for the task.  They waterproofed and
snailproofed their tents and bought new galoushes.  Senhor Jay Jay was
commissioned to do the design.  It was a magnificent design, to hear the
Senhor tell it, and he is not inclined to hyperbole.  It incorporated so
many of the things that make the Pacific Northwest what it is.

There was Mount Rainier, bald eagles, orcas leaping from the sea, tall
trees drapped in moss, lumberjacks.  Pierre's father had created a new,
magnificent glass for the background...a dull gray seedy, where all the
seeds looked like raindrops.

In the end, it didn't get made.  There were cost overruns, time
considerations, etc., etc..

But the design, oh...  Senhor maintains it was one of the best he had
ever done, but he lost his copy in a tragic driftwood accident (don't
ask).  My task was to get into the subterranean vaults of the Seattle
planning offices and see if I could unearth a copy of those designs.
After several days of searching in mossy old rooms, I found them,
however between the mildew and the mice, there is little left.  A
magnicent whale tail here, a snow capped mountain peak there, and a six
inch square of the gray seedy which Pierre is even now framing in cedar
to hang in the workroom window.

While Dorothy was playing in the 2o feet of snow on Mt Rainier and
walking on the Pacific Ocean beaches, I was sneezing at the dust and
molds in the vaults of Seattle.  We both had a great trip.

Returning you to real life...
Emeraldine

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Hi Gang,

Just finished a stepping stone using the new improved 
( since the last time I tried it some time ago)
Diamondcrete. Set up great, came out of the mold
great, cleaned up okay, but I need to know how long I
have to wait to apply the sealer, and set it outside.
This stone by the way is going in a location where it
won't be stepped on at all, so curing time is not a
real issue I dont' think, the stone is good and hard
now. Any advise will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Rick


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Does anyone have time to give me brief info on stepping stones?

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in answer to my own question, http://www.crloo.com contains pictures of
lots of different manufacturers' glass rod. i don't know how accurate the
colors are, but at least i have a good idea of some of them.

regards,
charlie
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>From: "Monica" <cricket@rea-alp.com>
>I stumbled upon this group while surfing the web in search of
>patterns. (In the area we live the closest stained glass store is many miles
>away so finding patterns is hard.) 

Hi Monica
We just updated our webpage, which has a whole BUNCH of patterns on it, that
we gathered from the web, and others.  Check it out, and feel free to
download.  
The site is:   http://www.netphase.net/~deskins/stainedglass/index.html
We're having about 145 hits per day since we joined a stained glass webring,
and put a counter on.

Lou
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Hi Folks,
Now that I know where to purchase, the brazing rod for Garden stakes.
Where can I obtain the patterns used in making the garden stakes.

Thank you in advance,
Tim


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We spent the Memorial Day weekend visiting the home of my stained glass teacher
1978, Mr Bill Hock, from Canadian Lakes.  Seems after he passed on to the great
stained glass shop in the sky, his widow, or family sold their home, and when
they did that they removed a couple of his works, for keepsakes, leaving behind
some sort of unfinished looking work.  Most noticable a side-light by the front
door, 8 1/2 x 65 inches, in which he had a vine type window, with the vine
extending across the door by way of three small lights.  Those three still
remain.  The family who purchased the home wanted us to replace the side light,
with a complimentary work, and also asked me to give them an appraisal of the
value of the remaining stained glass work.  I urged them to contact the Stained
Glass Place in Grand Rapids, or Delphi in Lansing for a really knowledgeable,
professional appraisal.  But let me tell you about these windows.  They are set
in the corner of the kitchen of the home, extending into the dining area, and at
the other end into the entry area.  Rather above,the room, above the cupboards,
and the sliding door onto the deck.  They are all trapazoids, a series of 3
windows on the left side of the corner of the room,  with the outside window,
(farthest out from the peak) going from about 8" on the outside to about 1 1/2
ft, the next window is about 20" and the other end of it is about 42", then 44"
to about 56".  On the right side there are 4 trapazoids, with the smallest at the
end going from about 1" to 6".  Each of the windows is approximately 4' in
length.  The theme is nature, and the outside (smallest) windows are birds,
flowers, small mammels, like a mother skunk carrying a baby in her mouth crawling
over a log, with the occasional butterfly, flower, etc.  The sky area is all
clear glass, so you actually, have a variety of sky, because of whatever is going
on outside, the clouds in the sky match up from one window to the next, as do the
grasses, or water, or mountain.  There is a moose in one of the largest windows,
a deer, a fox I think, ducks flying up from the marsh, and you would have to sit
and study this panoramic work, for hours to see it all.

It is well reinforced, and very well done.  I must say I was very impressed, as
personally, I thought of him as a very self-centered, person.  There was only one
way, and it was his way, and his ego was humongous.  Am sure I remember pictures
of his vine sidelight, but he certainly had not done the panoramic windows,
before I took his class.  He made quite a name for himself, either with his
neighbors, and the area he was in with his windows, a church, a bar, and a number
of nice homes.  or with his class, where he managed to alienate nearly every
person who took his class.

These aren't tiffany type windows, and certainly not Frank Lloyd Wright type, but
they are quite spectacular, and as they sit in a home overlooking a lake, near a
castle, they are quite unique, and interesting.  I understand the concept of
using the clear glass as the sky, but I would have preferred something
different.  But there is a much better appreciation of him as an artist, then I
had from 1978 until this weekend.

Very interesting.  Barb

Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/29/99 3:47:23 PM, gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
> >..spending my day with my soldering iron! ;o)  Yep, glorious
> >weekend...tomorrow I get to spend it with the vacuum cleaner..life
> >is pretty exciting now a days! ;o)
>
> Enjoying a glorious sunny warm low-humidity day with every window in the
> house open and doing as little as possible. Trying desperately to keep my
> self-employed and far-too-conscientious other half from working (very hard to
> do since his mom needs so much help these days, we can't get away for more
> than 3-4 hours at a time).
>
> Abbie's "down the shore"........ lucky duck!
>
> Christie is exhibiting at the Pennsylvania Guild of Craftsmen Spring Craft
> Show at Tyler State Park. Anybody who's gonna be in the northeastern 'burbs
> of Philly and looking for something to do, stop in and say hi tomorrow....
> it's open 10-5.
>
> Sparks
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hello all!  i'm looking for a couple of patterns-  a simple banjo/ top hat
and cane/ and a lady in  a hoop dress (i think is what thwy are called)
they just really need to be outloned for it will go into a stepping stone.
does anyone know where i may find any of these?  I would greatly appreciate
any help-  or how about a hat like they use to were with the hoop dresses?
looking for items to go with that era to use in stones or suncatchers..
thanks you in advance for any help with these-  ricky glass expressions
hope everyone is having a great day making glass-a wonderful feelong doing
what you love!

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Hhhmmmm,

....suppose you could always try cutting glass at midnight in your 
garden in "the buff"...... (by torch and/or moonlight).....

Someone, whose name escapes me, did just that last summer and stayed 
wonderfully cool throughout.... bar a few solder blisters on the 
belly-button.....
;->

Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK


> 5/31/99 9:33 PM mschatee@juno.com mschatee@juno.com
> 
> >Well I found a great way to stay cool today in the 94 degree heat, I'm
> >sorry but in Upstate NY it's not supposed to be in the 90's in May-YUK! 
> >I went in my basement and worked on glass.  It was the only cool place in
> >the entire house to be.  I know all winter long I complained that it was
> >too cold in the basement to work on glass, I'm remembering that quite
> >clearly right now, grinding glass when it was 55 degrees.  Last summer I
> >took the entire summer off from glass, not this summer I am too addicted
> >and too damn hot!
> Suzanne Albright replied:
> I am so jealous. Here in the 94 degree heat in Pennsylvania, I've been 
> slaving away in my *upstairs* studio, which I moved out of the basement a 
> few years ago. It's wonderful 9 months out of 12. It's tough being 
> addicted!
> 
> 
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I am so sorry, Alan (et al),

Life Across the Pond is beginning to hot up (and not JUST the 
weather!).
I have just picked myself up from a whirl-wind of a birthday 
celebration, that seemed to have lasted almost all of last week, 
and which included being woken up at crack of dawn with a smoked 
salmon and champagne breakfast and eventually ended up the following 
morning in a Greek restaurant, complete with floor-show and disco.  
>From the latter, the most memorable moment was when I was (nicely!) 
propositioned by a 6ft+   drop-dead georgeous 20-year old young man, 
much to the amusement of my companions.
It certainly did wonders for my ego!!
Eat your heart out Pierre!!

Other than that, it's full steam ahead putting the finishing touches 
to "The E-Tour". THE TICKET ARRIVED IN MY LETTER-BOX  on my birthday!
That was quite a coincidence.

So right folks!! I'm on my way!!  I'm on my way!!

Where will I meet you???
Allentown??
Philadelphia??
Maryland??
Kansas City??
Seattle???
Florida??? (Still to be decided...?)

In  most of these places you can join me in  workshops to see and try 
yourself how we use lead in England and Europe. A lot of the 
questions about lead, posted on Bungi, I have saved and hope to 
address then. It will be a real roll-up-your-sleeves time, during 
which I hope to meet "old" and new friends. 
IGGA have a link to the E-Tour on their website (thanks to Albert) 
and Pamela Burns-Tappan has created the E-Tour WEB-site, which lists 
dates and places.

For the "newbies" I would like to explain that all this would not 
have been possible without Charles Warner of Warner-Crivellaro 
inviting me over to USA in the first place and paying for my 
transatlantic ticket, enabling me to be present at Glass Visions 99 
in Allentown, PA. In addition to which, I must also mention the 
lovely intervention and financial sponsorship of our very own Dani 
(and Michael Greer), which was the  launchpad for the rest of the 
E-Tour.

So here is at least ONE Bungi-friend heading your way.....

Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Alan wrote:
> Where Oh Where Can my Bungi Friends Be?
> 
> I've been averaging 1 bungi message a day for the past 4 days!
> 
> I'm in WITHDRAW, real bad.  (Never tried heroine -- but I assert this is
> WORSE!)
> 
> HEllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppp
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[In the message entitled "Sealing stepping stones" on Jun  1, 15:38, Rick writes:]
Hi Rick
> 
> great, cleaned up okay, but I need to know how long I
> have to wait to apply the sealer, and set it outside.
> This stone by the way is going in a location where it
> won't be stepped on at all, so curing time is not a
> real issue I dont' think, the stone is good and hard
> now. Any advise will be appreciated.
> 
I let mine sit lifted up abit with doweling (or pencils)
for 30 days.  They you can seal them.  After that dries
well then you can put the outside.
The initial 30 day drying time is critical.  The stone is still
green and can break easily.


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Tim Byrnes wrote:
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> Hi Folks,
> Now that I know where to purchase, the brazing rod for Garden stakes.
> Where can I obtain the patterns used in making the garden stakes.
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> Tim
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to be original and to make sure you don't get in any trouble, i'd make
them myself. basically there just small suncatchers on a stick. i'd make
some to look like different kinds of veggies. with a little (sturdy),
white sign attached beloweach vegetable. so the owner can write down
what kind of pea they want, tomato, etc. with a veggie or flower theme,
you can probably get more sales, because they'll want to mark out each
plant they have.

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Recently I saw some patterns for some little corner pieces... Not a full
panel, but just a small ditty that you would hang in a corner of a large
entryway. Can't remember where I saw them, but of course, now I need them.
Anyone else know what I'm talking about? (The ones I saw specifically were
parrots...)

Also, how would one go about hanging a corner ditty in an entryway? Would
you go to the trouble to put wood framing around the two flat sides and then
nail or screw that directly to the wall/ceiling? Or is there another way
that I'm just not thinking about?

Shari in SLC


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You may remember I was craving kaleidoscope info a few weeks ago. I ordered
a couple of simple kits from Debbie Taylor--one where you make colored glass
wheels and one that uses an oil wand. I made them this past weekend and they
are a huge hit! I had forgotten how neat those things are--I think it's been
35 years since I last looked through one! (Showing my age now.) But if you
haven't done one of these, or at least played with one lately, give it a
try. I highly recommend it. They're a huge hit with the adults in my
office--so I can imagine they'd be great gifts for kids too.

Shari in SLC


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OK.  Here's a few pointers on garden stepping stones.

There are 2 basic types of stepping stones:
- those made by applying stained glass to the outside
  of already-made items, such as bricks or garden
  pots or birdbaths.  I'll call this type "applied".
- those made by pouring your own mold.  I'll call this
  type "poured".

Both types are popular.  I make and sell (retail & wholesale)
both types.  Different techniques for the two.

"Applied" work involves the following:
- purchase the base
- water-seal the base using a product appropriate for
  the base's material.  For example, get a concrete or
  masonry water-sealant for birdbaths.
- draw the pattern onto the base
- glue the glass onto the base.  I recommend & use
  GE Silicon II Clear, which can be purchased in most
  home improvement centers.
- let cure for an appropriate time (ususally 20 minutes
  for the GE Silicon)
- mix up bathroom tile grout to the consistency of
  toothpaste.  I use the powdered colored bathroom
  non-sanded tile grout found in boxes which can be
  purchased at the same home improvement centers
  mentioned above.
- apply grout with a brush, pushing grout down between
  the glass pieces.  DO NOT use your hands to apply
  the grout, as you will cut yourself (voice of experience).
- wipe off excess grout following instructions on the
  grout box.  I use paper towels.
- I'm a stickler for clean lines, so I take a small dull
  knife and wire brush to clean up any excess grout
  from the glass even after the grout has dried.
- remove any sharp glass points by filing.  Make sure
  to wear safety glasses during this.

The "Poured" method can be done using a formal
pattern, where each piece is cut and shaped just like
a copper foil pattern.  Or they can be done using a
more relaxed look involving using scrap pieces of
glass placed so that they form a mosaic of the pattern.
I use both methods.  Each has its own look and its
fans.

The "Poured" method involves the following:
- purchase mold.  There are many sizes & shapes
  available through your local stained glass retailer.
- spray the inside of the mold with Pam or Bakers Joy.
  This keeps the concrete from sticking to the mold.  It
  is called a release agent.
- cut out some clear contact paper so that it's just smaller
  than the inside dimension of your mold.  Tip: place
  the mold on top of the unpeeled contact paper and
  simply trace around the mold.  Then cut out the contact
  paper slightly inside the trace line.
- if you're using the more relaxed mosaic style,
  put your pattern inside the mold now.  If you are doing
  the more formal method, make a copy of the pattern
  and put it inside the mold, placing the other copy of
  the pattern onto the glass for cutting & (optional) grinding.
- peel off the contact paper's liner, and place sticky-side
  up (i.e. toward you) inside the mold.  Since the contact
  paper is clear, you will be able to see through it and see
  the pattern.
- place your glass pieces onto the contact paper, making
  sure there is full contact between them.  This keeps concrete
  from seeping under the glass during the pour.  If the glass
  is textured, place the textured side towards you so that the
  smooth side gets the contact with the contact paper.
- put on your dust mask & gloves.
- mix up your concrete.  I use Rapid-Set, a fast-drying very
  smooth concrete mixture only available through concrete
  contractors.  Lots of folk use Diamondcrete.  Whichever,
  follow the concrete instructions about water/concrete
  ratios, safety precautions, and clean-up procedures.
- gently pour concrete into the mold.  Some folk set
  reinforcements such as chicken wire into the mold about
  half-way into the pour.  I don't since Rapid-Set does not
  require it.
- let the concrete cure, following the instructions on the
  manufacturer's time table.
- unmold by gently pulling back the sides away from the
  concrete, then flipping the mold over and pressing down
  in the center.  Sometimes I place the mold on bricks and
  even have to stand on top of the mold to get it to release,
  so don't be suprized at how much force is required to
  get it to release.
- clean up any excess concrete seepage by using a dull
  knife and/or wire brush.  Don't worry about scratching
  the glass - it won't happen.
- let the stepping stone fully cure according to directions.

Christie Wood
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At 12:02 PM 6/2/99 -0600, Shari Higbee wrote:
>Recently I saw some patterns for some little corner pieces... Not a full
>panel, but just a small ditty that you would hang in a corner of a large
>entryway. Can't remember where I saw them, but of course, now I need them.
>Anyone else know what I'm talking about? (The ones I saw specifically were
>parrots...)
>
>Also, how would one go about hanging a corner ditty in an entryway? Would
>you go to the trouble to put wood framing around the two flat sides and then
>nail or screw that directly to the wall/ceiling? Or is there another way
>that I'm just not thinking about?
>
>Shari in SLC
>

The winter 1998 issue of Common Ground Glass has a "cornerette" pattern and
article by LJ Maas.  She describes a clever attachment detail...soldering a
small nail to the corner at a 45 degree angle so it helps to anchor the
piece to the door or window frame.

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Hi Shari,
What you are talking about are cornerettes.  Warner-Crivellaro used to carry 
an oak frame for the two flat sides but the last time this came up they had 
discontinued them.  I have made them and just soldered small split rings on 
the two ends and then using long small screws screwed them into wood trim.  
For going into plaster you would need something more substantial.

They really are cute.  I have a set over the sink on either side of the 
cornice that goes across the window and they match my chandelier.  They're 
super easy to do - basically just a big suncatcher.  I think there are a few 
patterns in pattern books - I have two simple ones that came with the 
cornerettes, which I could scan and send to you if you like.  No guarantees 
though since I've not done that yet,  just use the scanner for ebay stuff so 
far.

Have a good one!
Brenda
 
 Recently I saw some patterns for some little corner pieces... Not a full
 panel, but just a small ditty that you would hang in a corner of a large
 entryway. Can't remember where I saw them, but of course, now I need them.
 Anyone else know what I'm talking about? (The ones I saw specifically were
 parrots...)
 
 Also, how would one go about hanging a corner ditty in an entryway? Would
 you go to the trouble to put wood framing around the two flat sides and then
 nail or screw that directly to the wall/ceiling? Or is there another way
 that I'm just not thinking about?
 
 Shari in SLC >>
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I gave a kaleidoscope to  5 different friend/families for Hanukkah & Xmas
the year before last.  Needless to say they were a hit with young and old.
It was funny hearing the praise "how clever I was" and "you shouldn't have,
these cost soooo much".  You can't go wrong when you give one as a gift.
They are pretty easy to make, once you do the first one!

BTW, I gave one with the oil wand to my Mom for M-Day and she wanted to know
how I made the wand <BG> Of course, I told her the truth, but I didn't
expect the question!! We in glass take so much for granted.

KSee

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| You may remember I was craving kaleidoscope info a few weeks ago. I
ordered
| a couple of simple kits from Debbie Taylor--one where you make colored
glass
| wheels and one that uses an oil wand. I made them this past weekend and
they
| are a huge hit! I had forgotten how neat those things are--I think it's
been
| 35 years since I last looked through one! (Showing my age now.) But if you
| haven't done one of these, or at least played with one lately, give it a
| try. I highly recommend it. They're a huge hit with the adults in my
| office--so I can imagine they'd be great gifts for kids too.
|
| Shari in SLC
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I like to make and look at kaleidoscopes too.  They're fun for the child 
"within" the adult.  I was at an art festival this past weekend and saw the 
most interesting kaleidoscope I've ever seen.  It had an enormous prism 
barrel, probably 2" x 4" wide, and a motorized carousel with baubles of 
every sort positioned at the end of the prism.  You could look inside and 
the show just paraded by- BEAUTIFUL!

Michele

>From: "Shari Higbee" <shigbee@stmassociates.com>
>To: "Bungi" <glass@bungi.com>
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>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:21:03 -0600
>
>You may remember I was craving kaleidoscope info a few weeks ago. I ordered
>a couple of simple kits from Debbie Taylor--one where you make colored 
>glass
>wheels and one that uses an oil wand. I made them this past weekend and 
>they
>are a huge hit! I had forgotten how neat those things are--I think it's 
>been
>35 years since I last looked through one! (Showing my age now.) But if you
>haven't done one of these, or at least played with one lately, give it a
>try. I highly recommend it. They're a huge hit with the adults in my
>office--so I can imagine they'd be great gifts for kids too.
>
>Shari in SLC
>
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How to Impress a Woman:

Compliment her
Cuddle her
Kiss her
Love her
Protect her
Confide in her
Wine and dine her
Care for her
Spend money on her
Stand by her
Go to the ends of the earth for her.....


How to Impress a Man:

Show up naked
Bring food

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I guess Vince is feeling better.

Carol T

Vincent LaGreca wrote:

> How to Impress a Woman:
>
> Compliment her
> Cuddle her
> Kiss her
> Love her
> Protect her
> Confide in her
> Wine and dine her
> Care for her
> Spend money on her
> Stand by her
> Go to the ends of the earth for her.....
>
> How to Impress a Man:
>
> Show up naked
> Bring food
>
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At 12:43 AM 6/3/99 -0400, Vincent LaGreca wrote:
>How to Impress a Woman:
>
>Compliment her
>Cuddle her
>Kiss her
>Love her
>Protect her
>Confide in her
>Wine and dine her
>Care for her
>Spend money on her
>Stand by her
>Go to the ends of the earth for her.....
>
>
>How to Impress a Man:
>
>Show up naked
>Bring food
>

Hey...welcome back, Vic!   What, no "ciao"?  Maybe we've been
misunderstanding all this time...we didn't know you were asking for food! ;-)

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Forget the food. Bring Beer!!!

Vic M.

PS Welcome back other Vic.

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		Sent:	Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:44 AM
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		How to Impress a Woman:

		Compliment her
		Cuddle her
		Kiss her
		Love her
		Protect her
		Confide in her
		Wine and dine her
		Care for her
		Spend money on her
		Stand by her
		Go to the ends of the earth for her.....


		How to Impress a Man:

		Show up naked
		Bring food

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Tell you what...if he could handle the impressing a woman list...
I'd show up naked with a bow on...and bring whatever he wanted me to!

T Suz

"Modiano, Victor" wrote:
> 
> Forget the food. Bring Beer!!!
> 
> Vic M.
> 
> PS Welcome back other Vic.
> 
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From:   Vincent LaGreca [mailto:vlg@worldnet.att.net]
>                 Sent:   Thursday, June 03, 1999 12:44 AM
>                 To:     glass@bungi.com
>                 Subject:        NG -  Dating
> 
>                 How to Impress a Woman:
> 
>                 Compliment her
>                 Cuddle her
>                 Kiss her
>                 Love her
>                 Protect her
>                 Confide in her
>                 Wine and dine her
>                 Care for her
>                 Spend money on her
>                 Stand by her
>                 Go to the ends of the earth for her.....
> 
>                 How to Impress a Man:
> 
>                 Show up naked
>                 Bring food
> 
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Hi "Ace" et al,

For pre-1600 Century s.g. painting techniques,  I recommend 
"On Divers Arts" by Theophilus ( a monk), originally written in 
Latin Translated by John G. Hawthorne and Cyril Stanley Smith. 
The ISBN Number is 0-486-23784-2 and published in English by Dover 
Publications Inc. New York in 1979.
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK


> I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting =
> techniques.  Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on =
> layer coloring that is somehow fired.
> 
> Could anyone help?
> 
> Ace
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http://www.archaeometallurgy.com/library/theoph.html

Sincerely,
Bud Britt

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page with some stained glass stuff on it,,,
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/
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>
> Hi "Ace" et al,
>
> For pre-1600 Century s.g. painting techniques,  I recommend
> "On Divers Arts" by Theophilus ( a monk), originally written in
> Latin Translated by John G. Hawthorne and Cyril Stanley Smith.
> The ISBN Number is 0-486-23784-2 and published in English by Dover
> Publications Inc. New York in 1979.
> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK
>
>
> > I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting =
> > techniques.  Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on =
> > layer coloring that is somehow fired.
> >
> > Could anyone help?
> >
> > Ace
> ----
> As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind"
> North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
> http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm
> ----
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http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/books_on_metalworking.html

pretty good reading on the two teachers and student
glass related also

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>
> Hi "Ace" et al,
>
> For pre-1600 Century s.g. painting techniques,  I recommend
> "On Divers Arts" by Theophilus ( a monk), originally written in
> Latin Translated by John G. Hawthorne and Cyril Stanley Smith.
> The ISBN Number is 0-486-23784-2 and published in English by Dover
> Publications Inc. New York in 1979.
> Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK
>
>
> > I'm looking for information regarding pre-1600's stain glass painting =
> > techniques.  Specifically, I'm looking for information about layer on =
> > layer coloring that is somehow fired.
> >
> > Could anyone help?
> >
> > Ace
> ----
> As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind"
> North Lights Stained Glass - homepage
> http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm
> ----
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I received this e-mail I assume because they came upon
my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder if
anyone else received the same message.

Rick

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> Manufacturer :  Dominic's Art Gallery Co.
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> I received this e-mail I assume because they came upon
> my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder if
> anyone else received the same message.
> > URL               :  http://www.dominicart.com

I didn't receive it, but was interested to note that the Internet and 
the ease of use that the web provides is going to provide stiff 
competition for American (and other) studios.

Boy! A 22" diameter hanging waterlily lamp for $109, for example, or 
a 20" diameter dragonfly on what looks like a bronze base for a mere 
$209. 

Of course, they're not looking for single-item sales, but bulk sales, 
since the prices are f.o.b. Hong Kong, so anyone ordering would have 
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work doesn't look half bad. What to do?

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I have been doing some stepping stones lately. I use vaseline to grease
the mold. I have never had to apply any pressure at all to get the stone
out. It just slides right out. Plus, the vaseline kinda sucks the
contact paper right onto it, so you don't have a problem with the design
moving. Then you can get much more aggressive with the concrete to make
sure it gets down between all the glass.

Margo



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The fine print also says: $5,000 minimum order or 300 pieces.

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> I received this e-mail I assume because they came upon
> my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder if
> anyone else received the same message.
> > URL               :  http://www.dominicart.com

I didn't receive it, but was interested to note that the Internet and 
the ease of use that the web provides is going to provide stiff 
competition for American (and other) studios.

Boy! A 22" diameter hanging waterlily lamp for $109, for example, or 
a 20" diameter dragonfly on what looks like a bronze base for a mere 
$209. 

Of course, they're not looking for single-item sales, but bulk sales, 
since the prices are f.o.b. Hong Kong, so anyone ordering would have 
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Hi group,
Remember way back when we were stating out feelings about Stained Glass
store merchants?
Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday.  They have a sign up
on the wall behind the counter.  It says, "If you do not like the
quality of our service, then lower your standards".
Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was
cute and would share with the group.
Enjoy all this beautiful weather and long days of sunshine.
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I don't think so, but it sure is strange to read the reply, before you
get the question.
Shirley B

Shari Higbee wrote:
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> Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server was
> just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original
> messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately?
> 
> Shari
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> says, "If you do not like the quality of our service, then lower
> your standards".


Personally, I like the signs that say something like "If there's 
anything about our service or attitude that you find lacking, let us 
know, because we'd like to rise to your level of expectation."

To some business owners, though, if the customers would just Go Away, 
they'd have what they'd prefer in the way of a Good Business. <grin>

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Personally I don't think the sign is "cute".  Unprofessional people give the
stained glass business a bad name.  And people who put up signs about
standards and quality of service either have a really weird sense of humor
or are very unprofessional.  Our clients wouldn't really appreciate
something like that...............and I wouldn't either.


my best,
pj




At 08:39 AM 6/4/99 -0700, Shirley Balloch wrote:
>Hi group,
>Remember way back when we were stating out feelings about Stained Glass
>store merchants?
>Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday.  They have a sign up
>on the wall behind the counter.  It says, "If you do not like the
>quality of our service, then lower your standards".
>Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was
>cute and would share with the group.
>Enjoy all this beautiful weather and long days of sunshine.
>Shirley B
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I'm afraid I don't think it's cute at all.   :(

Dianne >^..^<



<< 
 Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday.  They have a sign up
 on the wall behind the counter.  It says, "If you do not like the
 quality of our service, then lower your standards".
 Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was
 cute and would share with the group.
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Hi,
When I was at Cline's yesterday, I saw a new pattern book(well new to
me) of sundials.  I have fallen in love with the styles(gnomen).
I am wondering what price range they would fall into.  The one I want to
make and the way I would make it, would have 237 pieces.  If you made it
the way the pattern is, it would be well over 300 pieces.  This can
either be made in a 16" hex or a 14" round(concrete of course).
I guess my question is:  When you have that many pieces, do you still
price by the piece or do you kinda of discount because of the quanity?
I am thinking this is a $250 stone and retail around $500.
Am I way out of the ballpark here?
Thanks in advance.
Shirley B
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Hi,
Again when I was up in Portland.  They have a glass call oceana.  I
forgot to ask them who makes it.
Does anyone know?
Thanks again.
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I guess what makes the sign cute at Cline's is that they have a very
helpful cooperative staff.
Shirley B


Albert Lewis wrote:
> 
> > says, "If you do not like the quality of our service, then lower
> > your standards".
> 
> Personally, I like the signs that say something like "If there's
> anything about our service or attitude that you find lacking, let us
> know, because we'd like to rise to your level of expectation."
> 
> To some business owners, though, if the customers would just Go Away,
> they'd have what they'd prefer in the way of a Good Business. <grin>
> 
> Albert
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> Again when I was up in Portland.  They have a glass call oceana.  I
> forgot to ask them who makes it. Does anyone know? 


Um ... yes. <grin>  Don't forget the online Sources Guide at 
http://www.igga.org/guide.htm ... published annually on paper by the 
International Guild of Glass Artists ($10 plus $3.20 postage) and at 
the moment updated several times a week and available to anyone at 
the above URL:

Oceana Glass Company
359 Coral Street
Santa Cruz CA 95060

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> I guess what makes the sign cute at Cline's is that they have a very
> helpful cooperative staff. Shirley B

In which case, of course, they put the lie to the sentiments 
expressed in the sign and everyone understands that it's meant to be 
a joke. <smile>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Jo Letscher <andor@ilnk.com>
To: Shirley Balloch <balloch@netbridge.net>
Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 12:49 PM
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>Shirley,
>If I saw a sign like that in a business I was going to spend money in, I
>would spend my money elsewhere.  The only thing one guy has to
differentiate
>himself from the next is customer service.  I don't plan on lowering my
>standards for anyone.
>Linda Jo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shirley Balloch <balloch@netbridge.net>
>To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
>Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 12:39 PM
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>
>
>>Hi group,
>>Remember way back when we were stating out feelings about Stained Glass
>>store merchants?
>>Well I was in Cline's in Portland, Or., yesterday.  They have a sign up
>>on the wall behind the counter.  It says, "If you do not like the
>>quality of our service, then lower your standards".
>>Now this is not to say they need a sign like that, just thought it was
>>cute and would share with the group.
>>Enjoy all this beautiful weather and long days of sunshine.
>>Shirley B
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Sign in my shop.......
Everyone makes me happy, some by entering and others by leaving!

weaver51@teleport.com
Elaine and Howard
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Margo, I ran out of vasoline, so looking around my
shop  I spotted a can of good old WD-40 and it worked
great. Just spray it on the edges of the mold,
relaease great and didn't stain the concrete. 

Rick

--- Creativeco <creativeco@pdq.net> wrote:
> I have been doing some stepping stones lately. I use
> vaseline to grease
> the mold. I have never had to apply any pressure at
> all to get the stone
> out. It just slides right out. Plus, the vaseline
> kinda sucks the
> contact paper right onto it, so you don't have a
> problem with the design
> moving. Then you can get much more aggressive with
> the concrete to make
> sure it gets down between all the glass.
> 
> Margo
> 
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Albert, I looked into the web site and saw they have a
$5000 (US) minimum order. I had my check book in my
hand...I suppose we will see some of that stuff at a
flea market some day.... 

--- Albert Lewis <alewis@alpha.nad.adelphia.net>
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> 
> > I received this e-mail I assume because they came
> upon
> > my web page. Thought I would share it and wonder
> if
> > anyone else received the same message.
> > > URL               :  http://www.dominicart.com
> 
> I didn't receive it, but was interested to note that
> the Internet and 
> the ease of use that the web provides is going to
> provide stiff 
> competition for American (and other) studios.
> 
> Boy! A 22" diameter hanging waterlily lamp for $109,
> for example, or 
> a 20" diameter dragonfly on what looks like a bronze
> base for a mere 
> $209. 
> 
> Of course, they're not looking for single-item
> sales, but bulk sales, 
> since the prices are f.o.b. Hong Kong, so anyone
> ordering would have 
> to deal with freight, customs, insurance and all of
> that other stuff, 
> too ... but *still! Those are extremely competitive
> prices and the 
> work doesn't look half bad. What to do?
> 
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Well Albert, if we are taking votes, I think the sign
is cool andshows the staff has a sense of humor,
strange or other wise. I have a sign on my desk that
says 

"If you came in here to complain, you have wasted 98%
of your time. I suggest you use the other 2% and get
the hell out! Have a Nice Day"

Of all the folks who read it always get a chucle, and
the still complain anyway. ;-)

Rick


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> > I guess what makes the sign cute at Cline's is
> that they have a very
> > helpful cooperative staff. Shirley B
> 
> In which case, of course, they put the lie to the
> sentiments 
> expressed in the sign and everyone understands that
> it's meant to be 
> a joke. <smile>
> 
> Albert
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At 12:24 PM 6/4/99 -0700, Shirley Balloch wrote:
>Hi,
>Again when I was up in Portland.  They have a glass call oceana.  I
>forgot to ask them who makes it.
>Does anyone know?
>Thanks again.
>Shirley B

Timely question...Oceana is in Santa Cruz, California.  That's about 15
miles from where I live.  I'm going on their factory tour with another
bungi-ite on June 15.  You're welcome to join us...it's only about a 10
hour drive for you, right?

Steve



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Hello Shari

I often get answers before questions -- but then I live in the sticks!(Grin)

I often get answers without EVER getting the questions questions and if it
weren't for people NOT editing I would never know what was going on!

I always supposed that people were replying to off list mail, but when I
think about it, that is probably not the explanation. I've mentioned it
before but nobody has picked it up (perhaps it didn't get through?)

My service provider has always been pretty good and I have never had any
cause for complaint so I'll probably just endure!(another grin!)

Best regards

BtB

> Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server
was
> just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original
> messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately?
>
> Shari


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There has been little bungi traffic lately. Some threads that I thought
would run have gone nowhere. When in doubt it is possible to download the
latest archives. They are up to date and will show even the most recent
message posted to the list. .... Bob

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Hi Folks,
I'm looking for some reference material on a stage coach (to be blasted on
stone, not too detailed)....all I can find are carriages.
Thanks in advance!
Cindy...
...yikes...haven't finished moving yet...but this this could lead to *more*
on-going work...yipee!!!

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From: "Linda Jo Letscher" <andor@ilnk.com>
To: "Brian Shepherd" <bshep@dircon.co.uk>,
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Brian,
I think we are all in the same boat.  Sometimes it just takes so long for a
post I sent to even hit.  Like I told Shari, I just go with the flow and
hope I get some of the goodies people post.  It is funny sometimes I will be
reading and wonder if I was in the "Twilight Zone" when the original post
came.  I sort of know that maybe it hasn't come yet.
Regards,
Linda Jo

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Shepherd <bshep@dircon.co.uk>
To: Shari Higbee <shigbee@stmassociates.com>; Bungi <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: Receiving mail?


>Hello Shari
>
>I often get answers before questions -- but then I live in the
sticks!(Grin)
>
>I often get answers without EVER getting the questions questions and if it
>weren't for people NOT editing I would never know what was going on!
>
>I always supposed that people were replying to off list mail, but when I
>think about it, that is probably not the explanation. I've mentioned it
>before but nobody has picked it up (perhaps it didn't get through?)
>
>My service provider has always been pretty good and I have never had any
>cause for complaint so I'll probably just endure!(another grin!)
>
>Best regards
>
>BtB
>
>> Yesterday I only rec'd about 3 Bungi messages all day. Figured my server
>was
>> just slow. Today, I notice most of the messages are replys to original
>> messages that I never rec'd. Anyone else missing messages lately?
>>
>> Shari
>
>
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Bob,
I think was was feeling insecure, like oh no I am missing something.  Or
feeling left out.
:-(    
Linda Jo
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Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 5:26 AM
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>There has been little bungi traffic lately. Some threads that I thought
>would run have gone nowhere. When in doubt it is possible to download the
>latest archives. They are up to date and will show even the most recent
>message posted to the list. .... Bob
>
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Cindy,
Wells Fargo is the original stage coach line.  Try to hunt up their logo,
there must be a lot of things with that rendition on them for you to look at
to get an idea for your stage coach.
Good Luck,
Linda Jo
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 11:32 AM
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>
>
>Hi Folks,
>I'm looking for some reference material on a stage coach (to be blasted on
>stone, not too detailed)....all I can find are carriages.
>Thanks in advance!
>Cindy...
>...yikes...haven't finished moving yet...but this this could lead to *more*
>on-going work...yipee!!!
>
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Hi bungians.  The great Albert has kindly updated
my IGGA web site to show a new set of windows.
It's a set of 3 Victorian windows, and replaces the
chili pepper lampshade I had.  You can check
it out on the 3rd page (I think) at http://www.igga.org/wood/

Christie Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
http://www.igga.org/wood/
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I think I have a rather twisted sense of humour, but in this circumstance
the sign is not cute or funny at all.  This sort of remark is funny when I
am talking to other retailers about the headaches of being in retail.  But
when it is posted next to a cash register for any and all customers to read
it is NOT funny, it is simply stupid.

I wonder how many customers never came back because of this sign.  At the
least it implies the store encourages bad service.  At the most it is quite
insulting to the customer - it implies the customer's expectations are not
worth anything.

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And so it goes ,in the life of a true artist......

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It sure dont' take much.....does it!

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WD40 is too smelly for me and my sinus infected head....I used olive oil
flavored Pam from the kitchen , Worked great....Abbie in Va.

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Equinox magazine (if you haven't heard of it it's the Canadian version of
National Geographic).
The July 1997 issue has a wonderful article called Houdini with Eight
Arms...guess what the topic is.  It's well written and full of interesting
info and colour pics.
Any one has this issue and would like to part with it, PLEASE PLEASE>>>>>>
let me know, thanks H

weaver51@teleport.com
Elaine and Howard
best lamps on the "net":
http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard

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Carol Tombro wrote:

> I guess Vince is feeling better.
>
> Carol T
>
> Vincent LaGreca wrote:
>
> > How to Impress a Woman:
> >
> > Compliment her
> > Cuddle her
> > Kiss her
> > Love her
> > Protect her
> > Confide in her
> > Wine and dine her
> > Care for her
> > Spend money on her
> > Stand by her
> > Go to the ends of the earth for her.....
> >
> > How to Impress a Man:
> >
> > Show up naked
> > Bring food
> >
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When I want to impress a man !

I compliment him
cuddle him
kiss him
love him
confide in him
wine and dine him
care for him
spend money on him
stand by him
go to the ends of the earth for him..

When I want to impress a man !

I show up naked and bring food...........:)


no matter how you look at it I got it made...


Daniel In Oregon




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Hi all!  I am a new bungi member but haven't been able to sit down at the 
computer lately to participate (work has been more than hectic and I have no 
internet access there).  I am so excited as I just received a notification 
that my work has been accepted into a glass show!!!!  Yay!!!  I'm seeking 
some advice, how do you pack glass panels for shipping across several states? 
 Has anyone used one of those packing services?  Gwyn 
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I just got back from a 5 day weekend in San Diego.  I went to a gift shop in
Coronado, that featured nothing but glass art.  According to the shop owner,
he features the work of 32 glass artisans, representing about 10 different
countries.  He had it all displayed beautifully, and was able to talk about
the glass processes necessary to create each piece knowledgeably.  I thought
his glass was very reasonably priced given the quality.  When I commented to
him that it was priced well, he replied..."Anyone can find high priced art,
but the joy is to find art at a reasonable price."  Don't get me wrong, it
was not priced cheaply, but from what I have seen in my limited experience,
his ware was impressive and his prices were fair.  I know his rent district
in Coronado can't be cheap either.  I got a few creative ideas from the
work, and I got a new project for those fourth graders of mine.  He had
lizards and toads that were fused and slumped, and I am sure my kids would
sure enjoy creating....now of course, I am not furnishing the dichroic
scrap, but what we create is fine.  All I need to do is make the slumping
molds this summer.

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>Hi all!  I am a new bungi member but haven't been able to sit down at the 
>computer lately to participate (work has been more than hectic and I have no 
>internet access there).  I am so excited as I just received a notification 
>that my work has been accepted into a glass show!!!!  Yay!!!  I'm seeking 
>some advice, how do you pack glass panels for shipping across several states? 
> Has anyone used one of those packing services?  Gwyn 

First, congratulations on being accepted into a show!  I'll outline what
I've figured out, and I'm interested in hearing how others pack, especially
folk like pj who have huge panels to move.  Incidentally I've shipped
several panels this way using different couriers and freight lines and never
had a problem, except with trying to get insurance.  I'd like to hear about
others experience about how to get insurance...

Get yourself a used glass crate and a used packing pallet.  Get yourself old
foamie(s) at a garage sale.  Place the crate on a packing pallet and cut
braces from 2 x 4's.  Use these braces to hold the crate upright on the
pallet.  Nail into place.  This way there is no way the shipper can flip the
crate onto its side for easier handling and your panel will remain vertical.

Can't get an old glass crate?..build yourself a box out of thin plywood or
old panelling and some 1 x 8's.

Place panel(s) into crate TIGHTLY and evenly held in place with old foamies.
Don't forget to cut foamie and set one or 2 layers over the entire bottom
before you put anything else in.  The key is to tightly hold the panel in
place with foamie so nothing can move around during transit.  Top with
another layer of foamie horizontally across the top before screwing the lid
into place.

You'll probably be charged a cubed rate for shipping rather than the actual
weight because of the volume of area you'll take up in the semi.  Don't
forget to insure for value, and put signs on the pallet.  I have some great
8 1/2 x 11" red signs that my wholesaler uses for shipping sheets to
customers. They have a large red arrow, THIS SIDE UP and GLASS on them.

Incidentally I would never trust a glass panel to Mailboxes, etc. or like
packing service.

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative
http://www.igga.org/synergy
seaspray@island.net

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   Hi Gwyn
         Just make a sandwich using the glass as the meat and foam /
bubble wrap as the lettuce,lay a piece of 1/4" plywood for the bread.
Now measure the distance between the plywood and cut 4) strip's of wood
for the sides.
   Screw it together ,and mark whats in your sandwich and (eat it ) ha
ha, send it on it's way. This takes a little time but if you make some
standard sizes,you will use them over and over.  If it does not get
there all is for not. Make sure there is a lot of foam / bubble wrap
around edges before you add the sides on.  NEVER trust a shipping co.
with your glass,they have know idea how much time you put into it. Hope
this will help,we have sent many panels around the US this way.   Larry
of Glass Tattoo
  

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Hi,
	I was wondering how you made your slumping molds.  I took one fusing class
and it left me wanting to do more, but I haven't purchased a kiln yet.

Thanks,
Melissa

At 08:55 AM 6/6/99 -0600, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:
>I just got back from a 5 day weekend in San Diego.  I went to a gift shop in
>Coronado, that featured nothing but glass art.  According to the shop owner,
>he features the work of 32 glass artisans, representing about 10 different
>countries.  He had it all displayed beautifully, and was able to talk about
>the glass processes necessary to create each piece knowledgeably.  I thought
>his glass was very reasonably priced given the quality.  When I commented to
>him that it was priced well, he replied..."Anyone can find high priced art,
>but the joy is to find art at a reasonable price."  Don't get me wrong, it
>was not priced cheaply, but from what I have seen in my limited experience,
>his ware was impressive and his prices were fair.  I know his rent district
>in Coronado can't be cheap either.  I got a few creative ideas from the
>work, and I got a new project for those fourth graders of mine.  He had
>lizards and toads that were fused and slumped, and I am sure my kids would
>sure enjoy creating....now of course, I am not furnishing the dichroic
>scrap, but what we create is fine.  All I need to do is make the slumping
>molds this summer.
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Gwyn,
Congratulations on being accepted for glass show.  Good luck.
Linda Jo
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>Hi all!  I am a new bungi member but haven't been able to sit down at the
>computer lately to participate (work has been more than hectic and I have
no
>internet access there).  I am so excited as I just received a notification
>that my work has been accepted into a glass show!!!!  Yay!!!  I'm seeking
>some advice, how do you pack glass panels for shipping across several
states?
> Has anyone used one of those packing services?  Gwyn
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I know nothing of these people. ........ Bob

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>Large glass company needs sub-contractors for big project.  Must be able
>to pick-up and deliver to Portland, Oregon.  All glass will be precut
>and all materials provided.  If interested please reply to
>frlamothe@earthlink.net.  Leave a name and number where you can be
>contacted immediately.
>
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Melissa,  I use everything that will work.

If it is a one shot mold, I use plaster of paris.  My girlfriend's husband
owns a hardware store, so get the builders plaster of paris....it is
smoother and doesn't set up as fast...don't ask me what the chemical or
process difference, but if you use Hobby Lobby's plaster, it seems rough and
grainy after using this stuff.

If it is a more permanent mold, I use plain ol' ceramic clay,  I save my old
shelf paper and shred it into the clay for more stability (with a respirator
on).  I also have used refractory plaster....but clay is cheap and I am only
a hobbiest, so expense is sometimes a consideration.

But you can use anything from stainless steel bowls and spoons.  Ceramic
bisque, calcium carbonate, firing bricks, refractory boards...anything that
can stand the heat and you can get the glass to melt over without sticking.

For the toads, I will probably make a couple of clay molds, so that the
toads will have that slightly humped body, and hang the feet over the edge
so that they will touch the shelf, level and flat.  For the lizard, I will
cut a piece of refractory board.  The lizards will be flatter, and low to
the ground.  Anyway, I will experiment until I get something that will works
consistently.

There are books on making molds.  I learned some from Gil Reynolds and Bruce
Lundstrom's books on fusing and slumping, but now I have seen books on just
mold making.  A friend of mine lent me a book on patte de verre, and it had
even more examples of mold making.

If you are going to start fusing and slumping, my advise is to have a
"Thomas Edison" attitude.  He had to try 100 different materials before he
came up with the filament for the light bulb.  When asked if he got
frustrated, he simply replied, "No because I learned 100 things!"  In the
class I took in Las Vegas this spring, the instructor said she made 20
attempts before she successfully made a calla lilly that looked realistic.
So any mold I make that does not come out just right, I just tell myself I
am learning.   I have a feeling I will make a few lizards and toads before I
get one that I like.  (I wonder if this is like the princess who kissed a
bunch of toads, before she found her prince?)  As a teacher, I think this
process of trying, failing, and learning is good for me, it constantly
reminds me of what my students go through trying to learn everyday.  And
that some of the things that I really learned, came from failure not
success.  (I am beginning to sound too much like a motivational
speaker...yuk!  I will put down my pom-poms and go water the flowers.)

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Last summer someone made an attempt to start strings by asking questions
like, "What is your favorite part of stained glass?", or "How do you cure
glass burn-out?"  "Where do you get you inspiration from?"   "How to solder
in the heat?"  Then we had the incredibily long string on the National
Endowment of the Arts. I thought they were a wonderful way of keeping
conversation going.

Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?









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Good Morning,

I'm excited to learn more about the shop you mention in San Diego, as I, 
working on a restoration project in the area, and go there frequently. (Again 
this Thurs.) Also, my Navy kid is stationed @ North Island, which is 
Coronado. Would you be so kind as to provide the name and address? One of the 
things I wrestle with constantly is proper and beneficial display methods. 
Seeing it done well, would be a great help.

Many thanks,

Richard
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> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
> 


well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
chips, etc.:) 

Liz
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In a message dated 6/4/99 7:37:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwl50@yahoo.com 
writes:

> Well Albert, if we are taking votes, I think the sign
>  is cool andshows the staff has a sense of humor,

Umm, yeah, count my vote in for appreciating strange senses of humor.   The 
sign on my back door doesn't say "thank you for not smoking" it says "if we 
see you smoking, we will assume you are on fire.....and take precautionary 
measures".  I have never been offended by an off beat sign in a place of 
business, I actually tend to appreciate it, shows the humanness of the 
establishment.

Take care all,

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On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:

> 
> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
>

I'll give it a try, here goes:

What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to
make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect?
Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the
way you want it to.

Jim


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Hello,

While I have not personally used the packing services you speak of, I can 
address the insurance issue. I pursued a business opportunity offered by a 
company called "Craters and Freighters", which made a big deal out of the 
fact that they, unlike the others, INCLUDED up to $100,000 of insurance, on 
every shipment they packed. 

Decided to invest the $'s in the glass business ( I must be nuts) instead, 
but you might want to see if there is a franchisee of thiers in your area.

fwiw,

Richard
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How about "what dumb things have you done / mistakes have you made that you
learned from and the rest of us can learn great lessons from?" I feel like
I'm learning EVERYTHING the hard way, and would love to learn from someone
else's mistakes once in a while! ;-)

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>Last summer someone made an attempt to start strings by asking questions
>like, "What is your favorite part of stained glass?", or "How do you cure
>glass burn-out?"  "Where do you get you inspiration from?"   "How to solder
>in the heat?"  Then we had the incredibily long string on the National
>Endowment of the Arts. I thought they were a wonderful way of keeping
>conversation going.
>
>Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
>
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Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:

> Last summer someone made an attempt to start strings by asking questions
> like, "What is your favorite part of stained glass?", or "How do you cure
> glass burn-out?"  "Where do you get you inspiration from?"   "How to solder
> in the heat?"  Then we had the incredibily long string on the National
> Endowment of the Arts. I thought they were a wonderful way of keeping
> conversation going.
>
> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
>
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===================================

I concur....


I have so many "chatty kathy " questions but am afraid to waste bandwith.


If any one would be willing to take these "neophyte' question off line I would
be
appreciative...or should I just do it in the group...(I think that they are
valid questions
and could perhaps be beneficial to to others...also.)

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNever mind I have decided to bring it up to the group.




1. I have been "doing stained glass for one year"
2. I was delighted with the wonderful things I made for my family and friends.

3..I have recently had to opportunity to "SEE" the things I sent
them.....sigh.
4. They are "AWFUL"....
5. I have improved so much....and I was so anxious to  share my new found love
with
    my family.
6. I  can't sleep at night knowing how terrible they are...

7. I have appropriated them "ALL" back...I'm talking about 6 suncathers...and
two panels..

I'm in the process of "REDOING" them all....the glass is fine....the cuts are
well..
but the soldering is attrocious....hidious....(sp).......

Given that you have a decently cut object....(suncather...et al)......where do
I start//

An Idea I have is to vertically posiition the work...and with the iron melt
the solderliines down
via gravity....then refoil and resolder....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil
off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEELLLLLP!!!       I want to share my newly found expertise....not this shabby
*#>#((#PO#>



Help in refurbishland...


Daniel in Oregon...




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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:38:42 -0400
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Liz
Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage door closed?  :-)
Linda Jo
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>> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
>>
>
>
>well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
>would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
>chips, etc.:)
>
>Liz
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Favorite places to look at glass
Favorite ways to display glass
The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.
What draws you into a store 
What draws you into a booth
What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on
Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why
What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked
Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why
Who has the best wholesale glass prices
What is your favorite glass site on the web
How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state
What was your biggest flop(working in glass)
What was your biggest success(working in glass)
And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.
I'll go first.  When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to
use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it.
Shirley B
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Favorite places to look at glass
Favorite ways to display glass
The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.
What draws you into a store 
What draws you into a booth
What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on
Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why
What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked
Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why
Who has the best wholesale glass prices
What is your favorite glass site on the web
How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state
What was your biggest flop(working in glass)
What was your biggest success(working in glass)
And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.
I'll go first.  When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to
use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Cause I think I will
ask my kids to give me a very good but small dictionary.
Shirley B
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Picture frames and boxes.
Quick and easy . Got  crazy with a strip cutter!

Jim Gonzalez wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
> >
>
> I'll give it a try, here goes:
>
> What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to
> make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect?
> Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the
> way you want it to.
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Good one, Jim!

I make little boxes (bad for males but good for females of all ages). I use
precut 2" or 3" square mirror and make them only about 1" high and usually
use a little doodad off a necklace or earrings to adorn the top. My other
option is a 3"x3"x1 1/2" box all out of bevels--even easier with no glass to
cut, but more $$.

Shari

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>On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
>>
>
>I'll give it a try, here goes:
>
>What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to
>make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect?
>Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the
>way you want it to.
>
>Jim
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Shirley--don't mean to be negative, but I wouldn't make a stone with 200+
pieces in it. The people around here don't want to spend a lot on cement
pieces you put out in your yard. And what makes it worse is all the crafty
tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones. I'm afraid
the complexity of the glass cuts, etc. would be far over the head of the
typical consumer and they would be astonished at the price.

For 200-300 pieces I'd rather make a panel that hangs indoors where it has
less chance of walking away and (maybe) more chance of someone appreciating
the intricacies involved in the work.

Just MHO... Shari


I saw a new pattern book(well new to
>me) of sundials.  I have fallen in love with the styles(gnomen).
>I am wondering what price range they would fall into.  The one I want to
>make and the way I would make it, would have 237 pieces.  If you made it
>the way the pattern is, it would be well over 300 pieces.  This can
>either be made in a 16" hex or a 14" round(concrete of course).
>I guess my question is:  When you have that many pieces, do you still
>price by the piece or do you kinda of discount because of the quanity?
>I am thinking this is a $250 stone and retail around $500.




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A free standing angel.  I make her too heavy and the foil separates from
the glass or I end up using a pound of solder. I am still working on a
design, that I like and will be doable.
Shirley B
> How about "what dumb things have you done / mistakes have you made that you
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Captured from Shirleys previous e-mail.


The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.

On my shelf when it's paid for :)


What draws you into a store

A Sale and a good looking sales clerk named Jose


What draws you into a booth

Eye catching display of products and Jose


What is the latest innovation in the use of glass that turned you on

My little craftsman rotary tool.


Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why

My father, who is deceased, was way before his time when it came to art.



Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why

Spectrum, easy to cut and nicely priced



What is your favorite glass site on the web

The Stained Glass Artists site of course. I visit the IGGA quite a bit,
Albert's always adding stuff. Chihuly's site is awesome. And Peter
Sitell's site is really nice too. He has a nude there that is
unbelievable.
http://www.artglass.nu/


What was your biggest success(working in glass)

Made welcome signs last year at Christmas time that sold like hot cakes.
I'm still excited when I think of the first time I cut glass and it came
out just the way I wanted it too :) Amazing this glass stuff.

And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.

Humm, I don't have to wonder which car I'll take to the office. What
pair of Nikes I'll wear, major taxes or spending too much time away from
my kids because I'm working so many hours to stay rich. A lady put me in
perspective yesterday at the grocery store. I said I was so glad that I
could be at the grocery store by myself, try on clothes and buy an
outfit in perfect peace and quiet. Bought some of those Lucy pants I
call them. The petal pushers, very cute oh an a wonder bra too! Anyway,
she says, oh I wish I could spend time with my kids. I work two jobs
just to survive so my kids are with my ex-husband most of the time.
Well, after that I was glad to go home to my husband and kids. There is
always someone less fortunate than me in this world, I've had it easy.
I've never been to or fought in a war, witnessed horrific hate crimes
against humanity, lost a child etc. I'm very lucky to be "poor" or rich
in my eyes :)

Pam, who still and always will admire Shirleys work and would dearly pay
her a million dollars for her talent if I had it :)

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Linda Jo Letscher wrote:

> Liz
> Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage door closed?  :-)

Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just fine.

BTW, what was that address?

<smile>






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Shirley Balloch wrote:
> 
> I make a triangular stepping stone.  With a simply hummingbird in the
> center(7 pieces).  Sell it for $20 and rarely come home with it.
> 
> > What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to
> > make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect?

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....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil
>off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



When I un-solder, I use so much heat (apparently) that the foil comes off
easily, but leaves the silver gunk behind on the glass. Then I take this
stuff called "Goof-Off" (it's a solvent for gum, adhesives, etc.) and rub
some on the glass until the gunk comes off. Then wash thoroughly and start
over as if I'd never started...

What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to un-solder without ruining the
foil? I've tried less heat, but then the solder doesn't seem to come off.

Shari in SLC


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Message text written by "Shari Higbee"
>How about "what dumb things have you done / mistakes have you made that
you
learned from and the rest of us can learn great lessons from?" I feel lik=
e
I'm learning EVERYTHING the hard way, and would love to learn from someon=
e
else's mistakes once in a while! ;-)<

Do not apply grout to a stained glass mosaic
project with your bare hands.  After awhile the
grout turns pink and you realize you've sliced
your palms and are bleeding into the grout.  But
of course, you can't feel it since the grout kind
of numbs your hands.  And grout in a wound is
terribly hard to wash out.  Use brushes to apply
grout.  Boy, did I feel stupid when I did that.

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Hi All,
I'm looking for sources and/or links for lamp bases. I go into a dept
store or see an ad in a magazine and I see a lamp with a base I've never
seen before, no one knows where the bases come from (or should I say
...from where the bases come'):-). HELP!
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Shari Higbee wrote:
> 
> Good one, Jim!
> 
> I make little boxes (bad for males but good for females of all ages). I use
> precut 2" or 3" square mirror and make them only about 1" high and usually
> use a little doodad off a necklace or earrings to adorn the top. My other
> option is a 3"x3"x1 1/2" box all out of bevels--even easier with no glass to
> cut, but more $$.
> 
> Shari
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Gonzalez <gonzalj@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
> To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Its time to start a string?!
> 
> >On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
> >>
> >
> >I'll give it a try, here goes:
> >
> >What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to
> >make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect?
> >Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the
> >way you want it to.
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >----

guys can use boxes too. just not the pink ones. for a girl it's called a
jewelry box. for a guy it's a junk box, or a place to store fishing
hooks. or bandaids, or business/baseball cards. or of course it can sit
on a desk.

---Mike Savad

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Shari Higbee wrote:
> 
> ....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil
> >off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> When I un-solder, I use so much heat (apparently) that the foil comes off
> easily, but leaves the silver gunk behind on the glass. Then I take this
> stuff called "Goof-Off" (it's a solvent for gum, adhesives, etc.) and rub
> some on the glass until the gunk comes off. Then wash thoroughly and start
> over as if I'd never started...
> 
> What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to un-solder without ruining the
> foil? I've tried less heat, but then the solder doesn't seem to come off.
> 
> Shari in SLC
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nope, not really. the foil will simply unstick. though the foil may have
been rubbed down enough. or the foil is too wide for that glass. 1/4"
foil will do that a bit. i use 3/16" and there really is'nt all that
much glue left behind. that's just another reason, not to re-do the work
you've done.

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I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and
offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who
didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about
lower standards?
Rick

--- rrk <ezcomezgo@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Linda Jo Letscher wrote:
> 
> > Liz
> > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage
> door closed?  :-)
> 
> Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just
> fine.
> 
> BTW, what was that address?
> 
> <smile>
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>I'm in the process of "REDOING" them all....the glass is fine....the cuts are
>well..
>but the soldering is attrocious....hidious....(sp).......
>
>Given that you have a decently cut object....(suncather...et al)......where do
>I start//
>
>An Idea I have is to vertically posiition the work...and with the iron melt
>the solderliines down
>via gravity....then refoil and resolder....any TIPS on getting the bloody foil
>off..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>HEELLLLLP!!!       I want to share my newly found expertise....not this shabby
>*#>#((#PO#>
>

Daniel...are you really sure you want to remake them all?  The people who
received them probably cherish them because they were made by YOU! They
could probably care less whether they're technically perfect or not.

Chances are you're the only one who notices the flaws.  If you INSIST on
remaking them, be sure and keep a couple of the old ones...to encourage you
when the glass just won't cut right, the solder just won't flow.  It can be
a wonderful reminder of how far you've actually come at those trying moments.

C.

PS I have a long time friend who has the first lamp I ever made years ago in
a class...which she now cherishes because it's "one of my early
originals"...she'd have my garters for guts if I tried to redo it.  I
know...it's hard every time I visit her and sit in her breakfast nook...I
see all the flaws which drive me crazy, but she loves it.  To her it's worth
MORE because it's my first!

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative
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Naked's not enough to cool in my shop right now...about 95 degree's
and 90% humidity!  I run a sweat shop...and 4 fans.  might cut a hole in
the wall and put in a window unit....  hmmmmmmm...do I want to buy glass
or an ac?  (I cant put the ac in the window, they are too big, it was a
sunroom first)
The dumbest thing I have done lately....was dropping a big glob of
molten solder on top of my ring finger...it just sort of rolled around
my wedding band in slow motion and burned the fire outta me!  Well, it
hurt...but it didnt occur to me that it hurt me that bad...i just kept
on working.  Yesterday, it really hurt..I realised it was raw....and
swollen and I couldnt get my rings off.  OUCH!  I finally got my rings
off, and replaced them with antibiotic ointment and a bandaide.  Guess I
need to go but more neon or endangered species band aides...if it's
gonna look funky...might as well go all the way. ;o)

T Suz


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At 09:18 AM 6/11/99 -0700, Liz Arakelian wrote:
>> Anyone got any questions that will spark some line of discussion?
>> 
>
>
>well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
>would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
>chips, etc.:) 
>
>Liz

I can recommend foiling in the nude as a safer alternative.  Start with a
lap-sized cutting board and a comfy lounge chair.  Add a nice shade tree by
a pool on a balmy day.  Enjoy!

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IMHO Warner-Crivellaro has the best selection and usually the best prices for 
lamp bases.
www.warner-criv.com (I'm not an employee!)
Brenda

<< Hi All,
 I'm looking for sources and/or links for lamp bases. I go into a dept
 store or see an ad in a magazine and I see a lamp with a base I've never
 seen before, no one knows where the bases come from (or should I say
 ...from where the bases come'):-). HELP!
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Just found a neat glass site--was looking into kaleidoscopes. I got so
involved in looking through her almost 40 different glass boxes that I never
even got to the kaleidoscopes!

http://hometown.aol.com/mkennedy1/index.htm

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> And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.
> I'll go first.  When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to
> use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it.

The question of where to eat tonight gets answered faster.

T Suz (ready to have *one* night of someone else cooking it and serving
it *and* cleaning it up)
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How can you judge their standards if you havent seen em naked yet? ;o)
T Suz

Rick wrote:
> 
> I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and
> offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who
> didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about
> lower standards?
> Rick
> 
> --- rrk <ezcomezgo@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Linda Jo Letscher wrote:
> >
> > > Liz
> > > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage
> > door closed?  :-)
> >
> > Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just
> > fine.
> >
> > BTW, what was that address?
> >
> > <smile>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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No, no, too many threads at once.....

I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new
place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT.  Called
Plum Gully.  I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next
time on that half of the state.  Now, most stores I know are on the edges of
town, some are always moving, I suppose looking for lower rent.,

Dorothy

Shirley Balloch wrote:

> Favorite places to look at glass
> Favorite ways to display glass
> The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.
> What draws you into a store
> What draws you into a booth
> What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on
> Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why
> What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked
> Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why
> Who has the best wholesale glass prices
> What is your favorite glass site on the web
> How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state
> What was your biggest flop(working in glass)
> What was your biggest success(working in glass)
> And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.
> I'll go first.  When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to
> use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Cause I think I will
> ask my kids to give me a very good but small dictionary.
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>well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
>would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
>chips, etc.:)
>Liz

Yikes!!!
Count me out of THAT sport!!!
And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!!  There's usually
several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my
workbench and onto my pants.  I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables,
(or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!!

If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked.  Well, at
least until the neighbors complained.

*evil grin*!
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Suzanne Gunn wrote:
> 
> Naked's not enough to cool in my shop right now...about 95 degree's
> and 90% humidity!  I run a sweat shop...and 4 fans.  might cut a hole in
> the wall and put in a window unit....  hmmmmmmm...do I want to buy glass
> or an ac?  (I cant put the ac in the window, they are too big, it was a
> sunroom first)
> The dumbest thing I have done lately....was dropping a big glob of
> molten solder on top of my ring finger...it just sort of rolled around
> my wedding band in slow motion and burned the fire outta me!  Well, it
> hurt...but it didnt occur to me that it hurt me that bad...i just kept
> on working.  Yesterday, it really hurt..I realised it was raw....and
> swollen and I couldnt get my rings off.  OUCH!  I finally got my rings
> off, and replaced them with antibiotic ointment and a bandaide.  Guess I
> need to go but more neon or endangered species band aides...if it's
> gonna look funky...might as well go all the way. ;o)
> 
> T Suz
> 
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> 
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>

i guess the dumbest thing i did was with hot glue. i had a window fan,
that i tried to clean, when i went to put it back on i found ou that i
broke it enough that it was'nt ever going to stay on. so i figured that
hot glue was very sticky and solid enough - it could hold the blade on. 

so i filled the hole (in the blade), with glue, really packed it in
there. and then left the nozzle in there for a bit to get the glue to be
real hot. i did'nt want the blade getting stuck in the middle. 

as i pushed the blade back on, i forgot about a little hole that was on
the front of the blade. about an 1/8" wide or so. i quickly found out
though, when about a drop the size of a nickel or so dropped between my
fingers. that hurt... 

it hurt quite a bit, especially when i released i just glued my fingers
together with napalm. i could'nt get my fingers apart, and everytime i
tried i burned the other hand. somehow i got them apart, i had 2nd
degree burns on 2 fingers and a few 1st degree's on the other hand. and
it was very difficult to remove the glue, because  -  A. it looked like
thr burn and B. it was hot glue, and very difficult to wash off.



and i guess the other stupid thing i tend to do is to try grabbing at a
piece of glass that's falling to the floor. i tend to use my whole body,
and of course the glass is sharp, and it tends to stick sometimes - if
you know what i mean.

---Mike Savad

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Anyone with chapped fingers, no pun intended. I was a dairy farmer for
almost 40 years and never had a problem. Had exposure to many
chemicals,weather, and acids, no gloves or lotion. I think my problem is
either the flux or remover. I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I
think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Best remedy I've
found is chapstick. I get the kind in the little round jar. Also, could
anyone clue me in as to the difference in fluxes? Which is best for
what. Rita

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-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Jo Letscher <andor@ilnk.com>
To: Rick <rwl50@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!!


>Very Same Person, but apples and oranges my dear.
>Linda Jo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick <rwl50@yahoo.com>
>To: rrk <ezcomezgo@earthlink.net>; glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
>Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 8:11 PM
>Subject: Re: Soldering in the buff!!
>
>
>>I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and
>>offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who
>>didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about
>>lower standards?
>>Rick
>>
>>--- rrk <ezcomezgo@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>> > Liz
>>> > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage
>>> door closed?  :-)
>>>
>>> Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> BTW, what was that address?
>>>
>>> <smile>
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Claudette,

I too am experiencing mold making, and using odd things...

The plaster statement interested me.. I have the hobby lobby plaster, but haven't tried it 
yet.. what is refractory plaster?

Also, a book I have says to look for ' high temp plaster' .. any idea what that is?
Candy

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>  I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I
> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off.


Would you mind recommending one to the rest of us... I *try* to wear
gloves..but I have really short fingers, and end up burning the tips
when I am soldering edges.  

Then I take the glove off, and end up with flux all over me, and its
really hard to get off as I imagine you know.
Ok...now just remembered another dumb thing I do...I dont throw the
glove away...(I wash the flux off) then later I grab a glove not
realising it is one with a little burn hole in the tip...and stick it in
a dish of patina...there are always nicks etc....on my fingers, so all
of a sudden that finger will start burning..and I realise I am getting
patina in a cut.  My blood is probably toxic.  Come to think of it,
maybe that is why that finger is so red and sore/swollen looking.

T Suz
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Two more stupid questions....

1.  What do you seal garden stakes and other outdoor things with?  The usual
carnuba wax stuff? Or is there something better?

2.  How does one use sal ammoniac?

Thanks in advance!

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Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on
soldering in the buff.  That stuff really burns.

"Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote:

> >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
> >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
> >chips, etc.:)
> >Liz
>
> Yikes!!!
> Count me out of THAT sport!!!
> And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!!  There's usually
> several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my
> workbench and onto my pants.  I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables,
> (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!!
>
> If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked.  Well, at
> least until the neighbors complained.
>
> *evil grin*!
> Blake
> :-)
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Arent there a series of SG pattern books called Plum Gully?
Wonder if they are the same people?

T Suz

Family Account wrote:
> 
> No, no, too many threads at once.....
> 
> I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new
> place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT.  Called
> Plum Gully.  I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next
> time on that half of the state.  Now, most stores I know are on the edges of
> town, some are always moving, I suppose looking for lower rent.,
> 
> Dorothy
> 
> Shirley Balloch wrote:
> 
> > Favorite places to look at glass
> > Favorite ways to display glass
> > The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.
> > What draws you into a store
> > What draws you into a booth
> > What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on
> > Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why
> > What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked
> > Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why
> > Who has the best wholesale glass prices
> > What is your favorite glass site on the web
> > How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state
> > What was your biggest flop(working in glass)
> > What was your biggest success(working in glass)
> > And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.
> > I'll go first.  When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to
> > use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it. Cause I think I will
> > ask my kids to give me a very good but small dictionary.
> > Shirley B
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There are several Plum Gully pattern books.  These the same guys?
Shirley B

Family Account wrote:
> 
> No, no, too many threads at once.....
> 
> I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new
> place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT.  Called
> Plum Gully.  I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next
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>>What I'd like to know is: Is there a way to un-solder without ruining the
foil? I've tried less heat, but then the solder doesn't seem to come off.

Shari in SLC<<

It helps if you use plenty of flux in desoldering. With practice it is
possible to remove the solder and leave the foil intact with only a tinning
of solder. I like to elevate the project and use the iron from under the
project and let gravity help with the job. .................... Bob

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Ken & Barbara Larie wrote:
> 
> Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on
> soldering in the buff.  That stuff really burns.
> 
> "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote:
> 
> > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
> > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
> > >chips, etc.:)
> > >Liz
> >
> > Yikes!!!
> > Count me out of THAT sport!!!
> > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!!  There's usually
> > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my
> > workbench and onto my pants.  I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables,
> > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!!
> >
> > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked.  Well, at
> > least until the neighbors complained.
> >
> > *evil grin*!
> > Blake
> > :-)
> >
> > ----
> >I believe Elisabeth is the one who mentioned soldering naked in her garden in the moonlight:>....tee hee



Liz
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I would like to commend Shirley B on a great list of threads for this list.
If one needs to be prompted for subject matter this thread list is a great
place to start. I have printed it out for my own use.

>From time to time we hear of contributers to the list bowing out due to the
press of other more productive work. I, for one, would like to read more
about glass than the supposed size of someones crank. ................. Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Balloch <balloch@netbridge.net>
To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:39 PM
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>Favorite places to look at glass
>Favorite ways to display glass
>The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.
>What draws you into a store
>What draws you into a booth
>What is the latest inovation in the use of glass that turned you on
>Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist and why
>What is the most unusual use of art glass you have ever seen and liked
>Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why
>Who has the best wholesale glass prices
>What is your favorite glass site on the web
>How many glass retailers do you have in your city, your state
>What was your biggest flop(working in glass)
>What was your biggest success(working in glass)
>And I am sitting here thinking what is go good about being poor.
>I'll go first.  When someone gives you an inexpensive gift or a gift to
>use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it.
>Shirley B


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Bob, couldn't agree with you more. There were some
great topics on there, though thinking I saved it, I
deleted it. Maybe it will show up again in someones
reply.

Rick

--- Bob Duchesneau <bobdu@prodigy.net> wrote:
> I would like to commend Shirley B on a great list of
> threads for this list.
> If one needs to be prompted for subject matter this
> thread list is a great
> place to start. I have printed it out for my own
> use.
> 
> >From time to time we hear of contributers to the
> list bowing out due to the
> press of other more productive work. I, for one,
> would like to read more
> about glass than the supposed size of someones
> crank. ................. Bob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shirley Balloch <balloch@netbridge.net>
> To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:39 PM
> Subject: Threads
> 
> 
> >Favorite places to look at glass
> >Favorite ways to display glass
> >The best way you have ever seen glass displayed.
> >What draws you into a store
> >What draws you into a booth
> >What is the latest inovation in the use of glass
> that turned you on
> >Who is your favorite(living or dead)glass artist
> and why
> >What is the most unusual use of art glass you have
> ever seen and liked
> >Who is your favorite glass manufacturer and why
> >Who has the best wholesale glass prices
> >What is your favorite glass site on the web
> >How many glass retailers do you have in your city,
> your state
> >What was your biggest flop(working in glass)
> >What was your biggest success(working in glass)
> >And I am sitting here thinking what is go good
> about being poor.
> >I'll go first.  When someone gives you an
> inexpensive gift or a gift to
> >use for everyday uses, you really do appreciate it.
> >Shirley B
> 
> 
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Yes, they are the same. Really nice people. They
put the pattern folders together themselves -
boxes, boxes everywhere. Unfortunately, Ann Madsen
wasn't there the day I went down. I would like to
have met her. I was shown some of her artistry.
What beautiful work! Hopefully, they are moving
into a bigger store. The one I was in was quite
small. For anyone in that area, it's a nice place
to visit and nice people to talk to. Elaine

Suzanne Gunn wrote:
> 
> Arent there a series of SG pattern books called Plum Gully?
> Wonder if they are the same people?
> 
> T Suz
> 
> Family Account wrote:
> >
> > No, no, too many threads at once.....
> >
> > I noticed yesterday that a stained glass store is about to open in a new
> > place...it's in a SHOPPING CENTER (strip mall) in Manchester CT.  Called
> > Plum Gully.  I haven't seen their work, but I'll have to check them out next
> > time on that half of the state.  Now, most stores I know are on the edges of
> > town, some are always moving, I suppose looking for lower rent.,
> >
> > Dorothy
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Hi, Everyone

I just purchased a used jump seat over the internet for our volvo wagon.  The 
problem the seller had was how to pack and ship it.  He stopped by a bike 
shop and they were willing to give him a bike box for free.  This was a very 
thick card board box.  I guess they pack those $2000 mountain bike in better 
boxes.

It seems the size of bike boxes would be just right for larger panels or 
sheets of glass.

Just a comment
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Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the
solder to let it run through and out.  However, if the piece is big, or
long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the
solder and letting it melt down and off.  

But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't
remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a
sponge of some sort.  Does anyone know what that product is, or if is
works?  Sounds like the best idea.

Diane Manchester
Tiffany Styled Originals
Carthage, NC
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Rick wrote:

> I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and
> offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who
> didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about
> lower standards?

Rick,

As a matter of fact, I hadn't commented on that sign.  I will
now though.  I thought it was funny though dumb in a
fundamental sense.

You know, one catches more flies with honey than vinegar.
Many people don't have a sense of humor.  Two basic facts of
life.  Signs that are "humourous" about their service, or
lack thereof, confuse their customers (or potential
customers) about their service (good or bad) by making a joke
of it ... well, it just seems dumb to me ... and shows a lack
of professionalism.  Many people will not get it, and many of
those people will read this as "vinegar".  At best it puts a
doubt in the mind of the customer as to how seriously the
shopowners take their "service commitments.  As I understand
it, making money in the stained glass biz is difficult, so
why make it even harder by putting up a soi-disant "humorous"
sign like that?  The proof of the above lies in the mixed
reaction to this sign on this list.

Humor in shop signs is good, but maybe humor about your lack
of service is not real bright.

I ran a mass spectrometry lab for a long time as part of my
duties.  Mass Specs are very expensive and very complex;
generally they require one specialist per instrument just to
keep the damn things running.  Few labs need one of their
own, so often a mass spec is shared by many users.  Right
above the sign-in area (sample request area) I put a sign
that read : "When requesting service, remember that you can
have any two of the following three qualities : Fast, Good,
Cheap."  Thing is : though it was put in a "humorous" manner,
I was dead serious about it, as a few loudmouths found out
the hard way. <G>

So, when I see a sign like the one mentioned, I tend to take
the sign as having some meaning.

Anyway, time to go.

Regards ........... Bob



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Rita Tidwell wrote:
> 
> Anyone with chapped fingers, no pun intended. I was a dairy farmer for
> almost 40 years and never had a problem. Had exposure to many
> chemicals,weather, and acids, no gloves or lotion. I think my problem is
> either the flux or remover. I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I
> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Best remedy I've
> found is chapstick. I get the kind in the little round jar. Also, could
> anyone clue me in as to the difference in fluxes? Which is best for
> what. Rita
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first of all you should wear gloves the medical kind. liquid flux is
best for foil. paste is meant for copper pipe. though i guess it could
also be used on lead.

---Mike Savad

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I just remembered one that hung on my bosses wall, way back in the early
70's...."The firing will continue until morale picks up!"  I guess I like
offbeat signs too.   As long as you know, they are truly in jest.

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Dawn Barker wrote:
> 
> Two more stupid questions....
> 
> 1.  What do you seal garden stakes and other outdoor things with?  The usual
> carnuba wax stuff? Or is there something better?
> 
> 2.  How does one use sal ammoniac?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Dawn Barker
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can't answer the first one. the second one is explained on my page in
the tips section, - how to tin your iron.

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Ken & Barbara Larie wrote:
> 
> Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance on
> soldering in the buff.  That stuff really burns.
> 
> "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote:
> 
> > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
> > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying glass
> > >chips, etc.:)
> > >Liz
> >
> > Yikes!!!
> > Count me out of THAT sport!!!
> > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!!  There's usually
> > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my
> > workbench and onto my pants.  I wouldn't dream of letting my unmentionables,
> > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!!
> >
> > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked.  Well, at
> > least until the neighbors complained.
> >
> > *evil grin*!
> > Blake
> > :-)
> >
> > ----


and imagine explaining it to the doctor....

---Mike Savad

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About a year after I started in glass, I went to Israel. My parents, who I
traveled with (really big mistake but not glass related) suggested that a
couple of stained glass gifts would be a nice gift for my overseas
relatives. This was three days before we left.

I managed to but together some sun catchers and boxes with some pretty nice
iridized glass. The relatives seamed to like them and everything was fine.

My second day in Israel came the big mistake.  The tour stopped by the Dead
Sea. The tour guide suggested we feel the water. Our brave but not too
bright stained glass artist sticks a hand covered with those annoying little
cuts you get from iridized glass into the water. As the pain set in it
dawned on me that the Dead Sea is composed of water and mineral salts. 
Fortunately my parents were not on the tour and this nice lady named Judy
thanked me because she was about to make the same mistake.

Vic M.


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It should be easy to find, as it will be in yesterdays archives.

T Suz
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Diane W Manchester wrote:
> 
> Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the
> solder to let it run through and out.  However, if the piece is big, or
> long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the
> solder and letting it melt down and off.
> 
> But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't
> remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a
> sponge of some sort.  Does anyone know what that product is, or if is
> works?  Sounds like the best idea.
> 
> Diane Manchester
> Tiffany Styled Originals
> Carthage, NC
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solder wick does that. i try to let the solder drip out. after a while
the wick can get expensive to use. i also have a solder sucker. it works
pretty well. eventaully i'll find a solder sucker bulb, the push button
type get's stuff every now and then.

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I am sorry I don't know the name or the address.  I can tell you it is on
Orange Avenue, past 10th street, but before you get to the ice cream store
(same side of the street).  Since I was walking at the time and heading for
the local bookstore (don't know the name, same side of the street), I was
just criusing and not paying too much attention to the name on a sign above
my head.  It is a small gift shop, and the entire window display has glass
in it.  If you can't find it, I will write to my brother in Coronado, he
owns "Island Carpets" on Orange Ave., same side of the street, and ask him
to look the next time he passes.  I hope these directions aren't too
obtuse?!

cj

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Candy,   You have to get someone with more knowledge than me to tell you
what refractory plaster is...but refractories are a heat resistant ceramic
material...so I would guess that the plaster is made from grinding up this
material.  I ordered this from Hughes Glass over the net...I am sorry I
didn't save the address.  I put a question on the Glass World bullentin
board, and he wrote to me.  I tried to get it locally where I buy refractory
boards, but they were unable to locate it. The advantage to refractory
plaster is that you get multiple firings, but even this plaster will fail
eventually.  But the good news is that I just put it in my mother's donated
meat grinder, and you can reuse it.  So while the initial outlay for this
was about $.50 a pound + $.50 a pound UPS charges...and I had to order it in
a 25 pound box...I still have it and I use it.  I am not sure this is what
they mean by "high temp plaster", but it might be.


I went to my shop to get a box of the plaster I use..it is by "Triko
Products", it is called "Plaster Paris".  It says on the box it is for
patching walls, making dental plates, and ornamental plaster relief
decorations.

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I wear thin latex gloves,  gotten by the box at a reasonable price at Kmart.
Keeps the chem's off, gives some heat protection, and are reusable a couple
of timesbefore they get sticky.

Rita Tidwell wrote:

> Anyone with chapped fingers, no pun intended. I was a dairy farmer for
> almost 40 years and never had a problem. Had exposure to many
> chemicals,weather, and acids, no gloves or lotion. I think my problem is
> either the flux or remover. I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I
> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off. Best remedy I've
> found is chapstick. I get the kind in the little round jar. Also, could
> anyone clue me in as to the difference in fluxes? Which is best for
> what. Rita
>
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We've been teaching a 'Soldering In the Nude' course for years! Check out
Score Magazine from Spectrum Glass from several years back for proof.
Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2
(Tel:416-252-6868)
Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass
supplier.

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> Even with my denim apron, that I wear to work in, I wouldn't take a chance
on
> soldering in the buff.  That stuff really burns.
>
> "Blake, Wayne, & Susan" wrote:
>
> > >well, we could always go back to the "soldering in the nude" one:)....I
> > >would think other parts of the process might be dangerous...flying
glass
> > >chips, etc.:)
> > >Liz
> >
> > Yikes!!!
> > Count me out of THAT sport!!!
> > And I'm no prude... but I'm WAY too sloppy when I solder!!  There's
usually
> > several different times that a small glob of molten solder falls off my
> > workbench and onto my pants.  I wouldn't dream of letting my
unmentionables,
> > (or is that unspeakables?) catch that for me!!
> >
> > If I had to pick one, I'm thinkin' I'd go with *foiling* naked.  Well,
at
> > least until the neighbors complained.
> >
> > *evil grin*!
> > Blake
> > :-)
> >
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I'll match my meager income as a teacher (in rural NM, teaching on the
rez)against anyone on bungi , but the good thing about being poor, is that I
appreciate everything I own and take care of it.  It also is a great
motivation to be clever and creative.  I learned a great deal from Mike
Savad who might be poor or maybe he's just cheap, but he always knows a less
expensive way to get glass stuff.  He was the one who suggested to the group
that yard sales and flea markets are a great glass resource.  I bought my
safety glasses with a heat filter clip, case, neck strap (for kiln work),
worth some money, for $1.00.   I go to the flea market to look for glass
stuff now.  It is 70 miles to the nearest one, but it is always worth the
day.  I found the greatest glass marbles last Saturday...they are really
small like tiny sweet peas, and I bought this large jar of them for $2.00.
I don't know how I am going to use them in my glass work, someone suggested
I use them in the center of some of my slumped and fused flowers!  I also
bought a very old reading lamp base with glass (might be lead crystal, and
etched mirror) for $8.00, it is just waiting for a stained glass shade.  I
would have had a sterling silver and glass one too, but this really rude
lady grabbed it out of my friend's hands!  (I guess I am not so poor I want
to brawl for my finds.)  The prices on tools are great.  I do worry that
some of these tools are hot though!  I also talked with this man who had a
large assortment of metal items.  He brings them from Mexico, but one of the
bases he had was screaming for a large glass bowl.  He also had these
perfect 5 pointed stars, solid metal, and I kept thinking that maybe I could
figure how to use them.  Since Saturday I have been thinking maybe I could
use them in a frame (Glenna's use of quarters as a border, has inspired me
to think differently about what I can use) or maybe I could slump glass over
them without kilnwash, and see if the glass would adhere without cracking,
and make them wall hangings?   I didn't buy any because it hasn't come to me
yet, but the little ones were $.25.

Enough on the enjoyment of being poor.  Also, lets not forget, I have all
summer off to play glass...because I am an under-paid teacher!   I just
can't stop counting my blessings!

cj

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Rita,

I'm not sure what causes it, but my hands always look dried out, probably, 
from all the various and dundry things related to glass one picks up, which 
may have some chemical residue, or may contain corrosives, not to mention the 
occasional small cuts.

As someone who farmed, I'm sure you're familiar with "Bag Balm". When my 
hands get too dry, I use that ffor a few days. Helps heal the cuts, too.


Richard
Glassics Artglass
Valencia, Ca
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well, patrick has probably already left, but if you get this while you are
there patrick, call me, i live about 30miles south of dayton
1-888-488-9616
513-658-4760 (cell)
513-860-4762 (home)
i have never been there, but there is supposed to be a nice store in the
beaver creek area (south east of the city)
thanx
debbie



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>I am going to be in Dayton, Ohio from May 31st thru June the 18th. Anybody
>from that area? I've found quite a few stained glass stores in Dayton...
but
>none of the names ring a bell.
>
>
>Patrick
>Roses and Rainbows
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Hi,

I happen to love witty sayings, but 'till reading this post, hadn't really 
given much thought to the fact that a lot of people have no sense of humor 
(How sad), but I wonder how much an effect sinage like that would have on 
repeat business? Dunno.

However, at my favorite Deli (one of three in all metro LA even CLOSE to real 
NY DEli) There is a sign I really enjoy it says:

If you are grumpy, oppositional, difficult, or just plain ornery,
there will be a $50.00 charge for putting up with you.

Richard
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Hello Charles, et al

....or perhaps....  from whence the bases came.....

Killing 2 birds with one stone here, i.e. also strings.
A couple or years ago, I suggested doing lamp bases with a 
difference, e.g. from "found objects".During my daily hikes with Toby 
across fields and woodlands, I often come across strange natural 
objects that I feel would be just "right" for s.g. purpose.  I have 
collected together a small number of  interesting shaped hollow tree 
trunks - small and large - which would be ideal for  converting into 
lamp bases. Easy to run a wire through, then to fill the hollow with 
lead and some sort of filler, clean up the wood and make it level.
So much more interesting and unique than a lump of pre-cast lump of 
non-descript metal..... (cheap too!)
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK



> Hi All,
> I'm looking for sources and/or links for lamp bases. I go into a dept
> store or see an ad in a magazine and I see a lamp with a base I've never
> seen before, no one knows where the bases come from (or should I say
> ...from where the bases come'):-). HELP!
> Thx,
> C.
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It's called (Over Here) de-soldering web; it's fine strands of copper 
wire plaited together in a length which is then coiled up . I first 
came across it some 15-20 years ago from my electronics engineering 
husband. Since then, I have seen it being sold in stained glass 
retailers also (at a considerable marked up price). The same company 
makes it that also makes tip cleaning paste, namely "Multicore".
It works like a kind of blotting paper, literally soaking up excess 
solder in amongst the fine strands of copper wire.
Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK


Diane Manchester wrote:
> Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the
> solder to let it run through and out.  However, if the piece is big, or
> long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the
> solder and letting it melt down and off.  
> 
> But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't
> remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a
> sponge of some sort.  Does anyone know what that product is, or if is
> works?  Sounds like the best idea.
> 
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I'm going to my 30th high school reunion in Coronado in a couple of weeks. What was the name of the glass store?

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Sent:	Sunday, June 06, 1999 9:55 AM
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Subject:	San Diego

I just got back from a 5 day weekend in San Diego.  I went to a gift shop in
Coronado, that featured nothing but glass art.  According to the shop owner,
he features the work of 32 glass artisans, representing about 10 different
countries.  He had it all displayed beautifully, and was able to talk about
the glass processes necessary to create each piece knowledgeably.  I thought
his glass was very reasonably priced given the quality.  When I commented to
him that it was priced well, he replied..."Anyone can find high priced art,
but the joy is to find art at a reasonable price."  Don't get me wrong, it
was not priced cheaply, but from what I have seen in my limited experience,
his ware was impressive and his prices were fair.  I know his rent district
in Coronado can't be cheap either.  I got a few creative ideas from the
work, and I got a new project for those fourth graders of mine.  He had
lizards and toads that were fused and slumped, and I am sure my kids would
sure enjoy creating....now of course, I am not furnishing the dichroic
scrap, but what we create is fine.  All I need to do is make the slumping
molds this summer.

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 >Canada's first and yes, still its only officially sanctioned stained glass
>supplier

Officially sanctioned by whom?

Actually no matter, I do plan on trying to stop at your shop when hubby and
I will be in Toronto this September (to see the Indians play the Bluejays),
I was just wondering.

Take Care,
Soraya

**I am not even going to comment on the sodering naked topic....**

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Hello Everyone,

The picture link below is for the angel bridge that many of you helped on
the design of, I scanned it with my new scanner, it took about 6 separate
scans to get the entire circle, so there are some graphic seams.

http://www.unitytustin.org/download/bridge.jpg

Been working on a bunch of butterfly garden sticks, went and bought out the
local hardware on brazing rods, and have made a bunch of bodies, using
re-strip to provide the attachment for the wings to the rod and body.

Sincerely,
Bud Britt

computerministry@unitytustin.org
page with some stained glass stuff on it,,,
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/3159/


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i'll match your meager income! i am a retail stained glass store!  >BG<
debbie




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>I'll match my meager income as a teacher (in rural NM, teaching on the
>rez)against anyone on bungi , but the good thing about being poor, is that
I
>appreciate everything I own and take care of it.  It also is a great
>motivation to be clever and creative.  I learned a great deal from Mike
>Savad who might be poor or maybe he's just cheap, but he always knows a
less
>expensive way to get glass stuff.  He was the one who suggested to the
group
>that yard sales and flea markets are a great glass resource.  I bought my
>safety glasses with a heat filter clip, case, neck strap (for kiln work),
>worth some money, for $1.00.   I go to the flea market to look for glass
>stuff now.  It is 70 miles to the nearest one, but it is always worth the
>day.  I found the greatest glass marbles last Saturday...they are really
>small like tiny sweet peas, and I bought this large jar of them for $2.00.
>I don't know how I am going to use them in my glass work, someone suggested
>I use them in the center of some of my slumped and fused flowers!  I also
>bought a very old reading lamp base with glass (might be lead crystal, and
>etched mirror) for $8.00, it is just waiting for a stained glass shade.  I
>would have had a sterling silver and glass one too, but this really rude
>lady grabbed it out of my friend's hands!  (I guess I am not so poor I want
>to brawl for my finds.)  The prices on tools are great.  I do worry that
>some of these tools are hot though!  I also talked with this man who had a
>large assortment of metal items.  He brings them from Mexico, but one of
the
>bases he had was screaming for a large glass bowl.  He also had these
>perfect 5 pointed stars, solid metal, and I kept thinking that maybe I
could
>figure how to use them.  Since Saturday I have been thinking maybe I could
>use them in a frame (Glenna's use of quarters as a border, has inspired me
>to think differently about what I can use) or maybe I could slump glass
over
>them without kilnwash, and see if the glass would adhere without cracking,
>and make them wall hangings?   I didn't buy any because it hasn't come to
me
>yet, but the little ones were $.25.
>
>Enough on the enjoyment of being poor.  Also, lets not forget, I have all
>summer off to play glass...because I am an under-paid teacher!   I just
>can't stop counting my blessings!
>
>cj
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 One day a father and his rich family took his young son on a trip to
the country with the firm purpose to show him how poor people can be. 
They spent a day and a night in the farm of a very poor family.
When they got back from their trip the father asked his son, "How was
the trip?"
 "Very good, Dad!"
 
 "Did you see how poor people can be?" the father asked.
 
 "Yeah!"
 
 "And what did you learn?"
 
 The son answered, "I saw that we have a dog at home, and they have
 four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of the garden, they
 have a creek that has no end. We have imported lamps in the garden,
 they have the stars. Our patio reaches to the front yard, they have a
 whole horizon."
 
 When the little boy was finishing, his father was speechless.
 
 His son added, "Thanks Dad for showing me how poor we are!"
 
 Isn't it true that it all depends on the way you look at things? If
 you have love, friends, family, health, good humor and a positive
 attitude
 towards life - you've got everything!
 
 You can't buy any of these things. You can have all the material
 possessions you can imagine, provisions for the future, etc., but if
 you are poor of spirit, you have nothing!

Tulsa Suzanne
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In the electronics business we use "Solder Suckers".  There is a manual
sucker that looks like a big fat syringe.  You push the spring-loaded
plunger down and it locks in place, then you press a button and the
plunger releases and sucks up any molten solder that is near its tip.
These devices are fairly cheap and can be purchased at Radio Shack or
any other electronic components shop.

  There is also a desoldering iron that is a regular soldering iron with
hollow tip that is connected to a vacuum pump.  You heat the solder with
the iron then activate the pump (usually with a foot switch) and it
sucks up the molten solder.  They are relatively expensive devices and
are generally a fairly low wattage.

Steve

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		Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then
melting the
		solder to let it run through and out.  However, if the
piece is big, or
		long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its
side, heating the
		solder and letting it melt down and off.  

		But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere
(sorry, don't
		remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you
heat it, like a
		sponge of some sort.  Does anyone know what that product
is, or if is
		works?  Sounds like the best idea.

		Diane Manchester
		Tiffany Styled Originals
		Carthage, NC
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Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???

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Hi Steve , et al

Thanks for reminding me! Yes, of course!! I was given one of those 
too -  years ago. I just found it cumbersome and clumsy to use and 
the spring was so fierce that the syringe threatened to leap out of 
my hand.......
Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home-Toby in UK

Steve wrote:
> In the electronics business we use "Solder Suckers".  There is a manual
> sucker that looks like a big fat syringe.  You push the spring-loaded
> plunger down and it locks in place, then you press a button and the
> plunger releases and sucks up any molten solder that is near its tip.
> These devices are fairly cheap and can be purchased at Radio Shack or
> any other electronic components shop.
> 
>   There is also a desoldering iron that is a regular soldering iron with
> hollow tip that is connected to a vacuum pump.  You heat the solder with
> the iron then activate the pump (usually with a foot switch) and it
> sucks up the molten solder.  They are relatively expensive devices and
> are generally a fairly low wattage.
> 
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Havent you heard????  She's coming to the USA!!! :o)

Suzanne

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> Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???
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this is more my style... enjoy. ;o)

http://www.dnc.net/users/garrenmg/sofines/froggys/hopyday2.htm

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Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two
rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any
person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall
comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away.

I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved
and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at
all.

It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how
to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob

Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026
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I don't know for sure how to use mine either.  I use mine like a scraping
block.  I have worn a grove at the top/side, and my iron slips in, and I rub
until I do not see anymore black crud...then I re-tin my tip and rub a
little more.  It shines up nice and I start work again.  The fumes are not
pleasant so I do all this with a fume trap going and my exhaust fan blowing
with the window open if possible.  I think we have discussed on bungi before
that some of the group has had reactions to this stuff, headaches, etc.  So
don't breath it.  Nasty, nasty!  cj

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Bob,
That is just great.  I am so glad for your client, and you also.  So very
nice to hear.
Linda Jo

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From: Bob Duchesneau <bobdu@prodigy.net>
To: Bungi <glass@bungi.com>; 2 Shirley's List <glass@intrastar.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:33 PM
Subject: My best client


>Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two
>rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any
>person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall
>comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away.
>
>I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved
>and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at
>all.
>
>It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how
>to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob
>
>Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026
>*Pray for me, you'll feel better.*
>
>


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Hi All,
I recently purchased a wrought iron garden thingy. It's a slab glass sun
face on the top of a rod. You stick the rod into the ground and the
'face' lights up with sunshine. I didn't purchase the object for that
reason, I'm interested in the sun face. It's the color of a coke
bottle.  The face has a rim that's about 1/4" thick, with the overall
thickness of the rest about 1/2" or so and 5" across. The label said
'Mexico'. Does anyone know of a source of molded slab glass objects.
Thx,
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I hear you.  I too am an underpaid teacher in a little hick town in
Upstate NY.  I'm sure on the reservation you are a little poorer than me.
 But I have to work summer school every year just to pay the bills and
keep up my glass habit.  Lord knows why I picked such an expensive hobby.
 Every year I say next summer I AM NOT teaching summer school....guess
what.....summer school starts July 6th this year.

Some day!

Caren

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In a message dated 6/8/99 7:55:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
shad@mail2.nai.net writes:

> Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???
>  
Sorry, if I demonstrated I'd have to kill you all.....

IA
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Bob Duchesneau wrote:

> Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two
> rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any
> person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall
> comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away.
>
> I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved
> and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at
> all.
>
> It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how
> to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob

Nice story to hear Bob.

Another confirmation [from a post earlier today] that : one catches more flies
with honey than vinegar.

Of course, you probably did a good job for him too ... that counts for a bit
too donchathinkso?  <smile>

Regards ..... Bob




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In a message dated 6/7/99 7:38:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esavad@home.net 
writes:

<< 
 > >What's your favorite piece (suncatcher/garden stone/etc) when you need to
 > >make something quick and you want to be sure it will turn out out perfect?
 > >Something that you've made 101 times and know it will turn out just the
 > >way you want it to.
 > >
 > >Jim >>




Business card holders, boxes or candle shelters. I love to make the small 
things over big panels in any case. 

Dianne    >^..^<
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Dawn,
        It never occurred to me to seal any outdoor things.  Lead calme
and cement have worked in the weather for centuries.

        The real point of the message-
I (don't know about others) use sal ammoniac only when the soldering bit
will not clean on the wet sponge or with a brass wire brush.  Then I put
the hot bit on the block and rub the flat side of the bit along the
block until after it begins to smoke.  When it looks clean, I add a
little solder and continue to rub for a while.  Then I clean the bit on
a sponge.  If it is bright, it is finished, if not, I repeat.


Steve


In message <1999Jun7.151823.0@?>, Dawn Barker <dbarker@sk.sympatico.ca>
writes
>Two more stupid questions....
>
>1.  What do you seal garden stakes and other outdoor things with?  The usual
>carnuba wax stuff? Or is there something better?
>
>2.  How does one use sal ammoniac?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Dawn Barker
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If refractory cement is the same as refractory plaster, I have used it,
and it did not work.  The formed cement cracked badly in air drying and
simply fell apart.

Steve

 In message <199906080131.TAA10202@mantis.privatei.com>, Candy Thurman
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>Claudette,
>
>I too am experiencing mold making, and using odd things...
>
>The plaster statement interested me.. I have the hobby lobby plaster, but 
>haven't tried it 
>yet.. what is refractory plaster?
>
>Also, a book I have says to look for ' high temp plaster' .. any idea what that 
>is?
>Candy
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Diane,
        I don't know the name of the de-soldering device, but I have
tried one.  It is meant for small "point" de-soldering jobs.  It does
not work on large jobs like a solder bead.
Steve

In message <1999Jun8.427.0@?>, Diane W Manchester <tifstyorig@juno.com>
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>Bob had a great suggestion for elevating the piece then melting the
>solder to let it run through and out.  However, if the piece is big, or
>long and awkward to elevate, try tipping it up on its side, heating the
>solder and letting it melt down and off.  
>
>But there is a product that I saw in a catalog somewhere (sorry, don't
>remember the name) but it sucks up the solder as you heat it, like a
>sponge of some sort.  Does anyone know what that product is, or if is
>works?  Sounds like the best idea.
>
>Diane Manchester
>Tiffany Styled Originals
>Carthage, NC
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Sorry....I was referring to impressing men...Food Etc......

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:( I haven't made 101 things yet!  Abbie in Va.....:(

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Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away
with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!!  Abbie in Va...


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I know this is a few days late but this is great news..great job, greatful
client. Abbie in Va :)
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Subject: My best client


>Today is very special. I have a new hero for a client! I delivered two
>rather ordinary windows and the client went wild. He was as pleased as any
>person I can recall. Just kept coming back to design details and overall
>comments that made me blush. Shook my hand right away.
>
>I had taken a few liberties with a rather plain design that he had approved
>and was ready to defend my artistic license. No need this time, no need at
>all.
>
>It is no wonder that the client is a leader in his profession. He knows how
>to get people on his side in a hurry. ............... Bob
>
>Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026
>*Pray for me, you'll feel better.*
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I have the same idea on a few projects....ths solder is really bad...I can't
seem to get the edges right...  :(  Abbie ):

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Hey Suzanne , sounds like you have the same thing we have at work this week
in your glass studio....A free sauna, compliments of our  boss.....LOL
.....Except it's not really that funny , is it.... sorry you burnt your
finger.... I thought I was the only one who does that....I actually finished
a cute panal this week.....a kitty cat for a cat loving friend....Take care
Abbie in Va.

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Great idea on the chapped stick before fluxing...I am going to try this...I
got flux in a cut this week...ouch>(>(>(>( Abbie in Va.

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>
>> Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???
>>
>Sorry, if I demonstrated I'd have to kill you all.....
>
>IA
>


and if I demonstrated, trust me, you'd want to kill me...! (Not a pretty
site...)

Shari


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So young. yet so smart....And she's pretty too......Sorry fellows , she's
married.

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Shari wrote..... And what makes it worse is all the crafty
tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones.


I wonder what impact those shows do have on sales?  I confess though, I did
send off for one of Vicky Payne's videos after she demonstrated mosaics...it
wasn't worth it.



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Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???

The expert will soon be winging her way westward---maybe it 
will be included in the workshops......

 ; - )

Kaye
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Evelyn C Mason wrote:
> 
> Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away
> with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!!  Abbie in Va...
> 
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i have to stop myself. but what can really get bad is trying to prevent
my flux covered fingers from entering my mouth and eyes. you make the
mistake with the eye once. but the mouth, ...takes a little longer to
learn.

---Mike Savad

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i see these all the time when i go to mexico, but i'm only about 3 hours
from the border. you might look up import interior decorator places in your
yellow pages.

regards,
charlie
phx, az

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> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 7:32 PM
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> 
> 
> Hi All,
> I recently purchased a wrought iron garden thingy. It's a 
> slab glass sun
> face on the top of a rod. You stick the rod into the ground and the
> 'face' lights up with sunshine. I didn't purchase the object for that
> reason, I'm interested in the sun face. It's the color of a coke
> bottle.  The face has a rim that's about 1/4" thick, with the overall
> thickness of the rest about 1/2" or so and 5" across. The label said
> 'Mexico'. Does anyone know of a source of molded slab glass objects.
> Thx,
> C.
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The following email is posted with permission from the author.  He found
my web site, and needs some information.  Hopefully there are plenty of
knowledgable people on the list willing to help him out.


Joyce

Garden of Glass


<bold><fontfamily><param>Arial Black</param><bigger><bigger>VITRALES UN
ESPACIO

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ntfamily><param>Arial</param>Medell=EDn,
June 9, 1999.

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rial</param>Dear
Ms. Moran,=20


Thank you very much for answering my e-mail so soon. I=B4d be grateful if
you do forward my inquire to your e-mail list.


Please keep in touch. I am very glad to have  met you thru the net.


Yours truly,


Pedro L. Arango

General Manager

Vitrales Un Espacio

Cr 36 No. 8A-95

El Poblado, Medell=EDn. Colombia

Tel: + (574) 312-4323   + (574) 268-9771

Fax: + (574) 268-4740


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A: PEDRO LUIS ARANGO
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o</color></underline>>

Asunto: Re: Questions on Bending/Glass Heat Behavior -  Guinness
WorldRecord=20

Fecha: martes 8 de junio de 1999 5:28


Can I forward this email to one of my stained glass email lists?


Joyce Moran


Medell=EDn, June 7, 1999.




Dear Ms Moran,



Vitrales Un Espacio is a Stained Glass Studio. We would appreciate it

very much if you could help us with our questions or direct them to the

appropiate people. Thank you.



Bending Glass by Heat.  We need some guidelines to help us in the process
of bending

Baroque, Antique, Waterglass, Hammered and Smallhamered Spectrum Glass.

All Clear, in principle -at this point in time the design calls for clear
glass only.



We will not do the work outselves but subcontract it. Unfortunately, we
do not

know ourselves the state of the art in bending glass. Thus, we cannot
compare it with the capabilities of our local artisants. With your
information though, we feel we=B4ll be in some sort

of control of the process.



The idea is to bend glass pieces -1/8 to 4 sq. ft. irregular in shape, to
conform to the surface of a cylinder 5=B4 3" diameter. Of concern of
course, is to preserve the characteristic texture of each type of glass.
Please elaborate on:


* Type of kiln.

* Type and material of mould=B4s surface.

* Temperature range.

* Appropriate temperature=B4s rates of growth and descent.


Guinness Records.  Our company has designed a Stained Glass Work

piece with some special characteristics that lead us to believe in the

possibility of breaking a established Guinness Record, or, establishing
a

new category for it.  We already have sent the pertinent information to

Guinness in London.



Our question to you is circumscribed to the Stained-Glass side of the

issue. First, a quick description of the design:


* Cylindrical shape. 5 ft plus diameter, 5 ft plus height.

* About 1500 pieces. Foiled. Heat bent (?).  Mostly the type of glass=20
of

first question.

* One Panel.


By one panel I mean the cylinder is continuos. It is a tube with its=20
two

ends open. It has no seams except the solder lines themselves, but no one
of them is a

straight line. The cylinder somehow resembles a very large Hemispherical
Tiffany lamp, if one needs something to compare it with.



The individual glass pieces have to be bent to conform to the round
surface of a 5=B4 diameter-cylinder. Foiled and then soldered.


The assembled product rests on a metal ring at its bottom, and spans=20
the

5 plus ft height till an upper metal ring.=20


Unlike most other standard stained glass works, it has no "vertical

frame-sides". Meaning, it is continuos, not even a straight solder line

that could resemble a "vertical frame side". If one thinks about this,
realizes that the piece has to be assembled on its frame structure almost
from the very begining., eg., unlike a stained-glass

window, that is first built at a Glass Studio and then put onto its wood
or metal frame once assembled.



We would appreciate getting some feedback from you; from your experience
and knowledge of what=B4s out there in the Stained-Glass world.


* In general, what do you think of the design, lets say, its novelty?

* Do you know of anything like it anywhere else ?=20

* Are you aware of any Guinness Record held by a Stained-Glass work at

all ?


We thank you in advance for your efforts in providing us with the
answers

to our questions.



Yours truly,



Pedro L. Arango


General Manager


Vitrales Un Espacio


Cr 36 No. 8A-95


El Poblado, Medell=EDn. Colombia


Tel: + (574) 312-4323   + (574) 268-9771


Fax: + (574) 268-4740


e-mail:<underline><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>vitralesunespacio@epm.=
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  Hello Gang
   Just a note to some of you that have been having problems with molds.
I have found that in the long run if you try to save a couple of  $$$
what you waste in time and extra work / headaches,  is never worth it.
We carry ..."wet felt",  "hydroperm" , "fiberblanket". "rigidizer"  and
a few more items, like stainless steel floral former, bowls and a few
others that we can order.     Build a shelf with about a 4" lip in the
front, and install it as high up as you can leaving about 15" to the
ceiling.   Store all your molds there as they can be used again,but are
fragile.
   Hope this helped and if your coming to the art-glass show in Long
Beach,stop by and say Hi......we will be in booth #610. If you tell us
your from the bungi gang you will get a discount.     Bye 4 now....
Larry

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>Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away
>with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!!

No, I have done that a few times. Now I just assume that all those little
blobs are hot! Ouch!!

Soraya

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and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into their
coffee cup or iron stand?
(i know, don't drink when soldering, but doesn't mean the cup isn't left
sitting there-especially in a small work area)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. Savad [mailto:esavad@home.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 11:08 AM
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>
>
> Evelyn C Mason wrote:
> >
> > Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder
> blob away
> > with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!!  Abbie in Va...
> >
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> i have to stop myself. but what can really get bad is trying to prevent
> my flux covered fingers from entering my mouth and eyes. you make the
> mistake with the eye once. but the mouth, ...takes a little longer to
> learn.
>
> ---Mike Savad
>
> --
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>>Our question to you is circumscribed to the Stained-Glass side of the
issue. First, a quick description of the design:

* Cylindrical shape. 5 ft plus diameter, 5 ft plus height.
* About 1500 pieces. Foiled. Heat bent (?). <<

To bend glass to make pieces to be assembled into a five foot diameter
cylinder that is five feet high is no big deal.

Of course a kiln that is large enough for the largest piece of glass to be
bent is necessary. A programable electric kiln is handy but a gass kiln will
do a good job too. I would tend to make a ceramic fiber mold of the correct
radias to bend the glass OVER and not into. This mold should have alignment
marks for the centerline and glass should be cut to pattern and marked with
vertical centerline marks to align on the mold. With good alignment
dicipline the bent pieces should be so close that they could be leaded if
desired.

A firing program for 1/8" thick art glass 1' X 2' would likely be 300'F per
hour from ambient temperature up to 1050'F and then 100'F per hour to
1120'F, cut off and cool at natural rate of the kiln to room temperature.
This program should not mark most glass. There is no need for annealing due
to the thinness of the glass. Smaller pieces could have a faster rate of
initial advance. Sprinkling a coat of dry kiln wash between pieces would
allow stacking one or two smaller pieces on the now bottom piece. A nice
trick that I do all the time in making several hundred large compound curve
lamp panels a year. ................ Bob

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> i have to stop myself. but what can really get bad is trying to prevent
> my flux covered fingers from entering my mouth and eyes. you make the
> mistake with the eye once. but the mouth, ...takes a little longer to
> learn.
> 
> ---Mike Savad
> 

Im still trying to quit that.  I have a tendency to to lick my finger if
I am having a hard time picking something up...

I HATE the taste of flux.  

T Suzanne
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At 09:36 AM 6/9/99, Kaye Sodt wrote:
>
> > Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???
>
>The expert will soon be winging her way westward---maybe it 
>will be included in the workshops......
>
> ; - )
>
>Kaye

I'll guess we'll have to work the bugs out of the technique during the
first session in Maryland ;-)

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> So young. yet so smart....And she's pretty too......

I guess that all depends on a persons perspective.  When I was 20 I sure
didnt think of 41 as young..but I sure do *now*! ;o)

Smart?  I dunno...Im good at research. ;o)

Pretty? lol, Suzanne breaks into song..."If you could see me now...."

Sorry fellows , she's married.?    

They might be better off with me married.
You sure are sweet, Miss Abbie.

> Great idea on the chapped stick before fluxing...I am going to try this...I got flux in a cut this week...ouch>(>(>(>( Abbie in Va.

I missed the post you are responding to on this one. (I think)  Tasting
flux as I type.  Ugh, I hate it..Somehow I always get flux on my lips
when I am soldering...is it just from the vapor??  Im really trying not
to put on hands on my face...It never occurred to me to put on chapstick
first.  Does that really keep it off?

Hmmmm...sitting in a sauna....open pores...with lead and solder vapors
swirling around my head...

I might need to take up a healthy habit for a change...if I ever get
leisure time again.  :o)  Funny...all winter I fantasized about a warm
beach somewhere...now 65-70 degrees sure sounds good.

T Suz..



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Shirley Balloch wrote:
> 
> I have been making plantars lately.  I keep holding the sides together
> right where I put the solder. ouch!
> Then there is brushing the little silvers off the cutting board with the
> back of your hand. Ouch!
> Short cutting late at night and using the solder that dropped onto the
> project, taking it off with your soldering iron and cracking the glass.
> Polishing the finished project so hard that you break the glass(but that
> is probably good cause it was a stress area)
> Jumping up from the soldering table right away and washing the project
> in cold water; breaks the glass.
> Showing someone how great running plyers are, only to have the glass
> break in several awful pieces.
> Soldering the wrong side of the glass,esp. bad in planters(boxes).
> Putting your soldering iron in the flux, instead of its stand.
> Let me say this up front.  I will never do a big window.
> I just made a music box for my mom.  It is a little pine box(no not a
> coffin)with a rectangle insert in the lid.  The insert has an oval open
> area.  The area is probably 6"X4".  I made a 38 piece design of a robbin
> on a branch with a pink flower behind the robbin.  I undercut the oval
> and I undercut the pieces, allowing it to grow.  It still overgrew the
> area.  I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece
> before.  Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let
> alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.
> Shirley B

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 I find myself trying to put the iron in the solder bottle!

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For whoever wanted a few tips on stepping stones, check out this site:

http://www.glass-stones.com/construction.html
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>>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
their
coffee cup or iron stand?<<

I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................ Bob


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I've been cured, but a couple of times I neglected to number things. 
Once it was the pattern pieces.  Another time I had a complicated 
circular (geometric) piece that was all cut out and ready for foiling.  
Was transporting it to "class" (I spend one evening a week at a 
local studio) and a bump in the road (probably one of our many 
potholes) sent the pieces flying all over my trunk.  Amazing how 
different "identical" pieces can be!  I arranged and rearranged but it 
never quite fit as well as it had originally.

The current heat wave reminds me of a fellow glasser who was 
working on a lamp using tacky wax to hold the pieces to the mold.  
Transported it to class in a very warm car---you can imagine her 
reaction when she opened the trunk!

Kaye
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Hi folks,
   I've been reading the posts about getting flux in cuts, I used to have 
the same problem. Now a days I never use flux or solder without wearing 
rubber gloves, the kind that doctors use. Took a while to get used to but a 
lot easier on the fingers if you have those small cuts you get from glass.
                    Kathy


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(1) Trying to catch a soldering iron that I dropped (while soldering, of
course)

(2) Letting myself be distracted while reaching into a bin of glass (lemme
show you the scar)

(3) Certain color combinations.

Dorothy



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-----Original Message-----
From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo <cpjaram@7cities.net>
Subject: tv craft shows


>Shari wrote..... And what makes it worse is all the crafty
>tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones.
>
>
>I wonder what impact those shows do have on sales?  I confess though, I did
>send off for one of Vicky Payne's videos after she demonstrated
mosaics...it
>wasn't worth it.
>


Good question. I wasn't too worried about until I saw the pre-cut glass
roses and other designs at the craft store next to the Vicky Payne mosaic
grout and mosaic molds... The glass is cut with water jets and looks great--
probably Spectrum. Now not only can "anybody" do it, but they can even make
the stained glass design versions too... not just glass nuggets, etc. I just
hope that people get tired of seeing the same pink glass rose everywhere and
come back to buying from the pros!


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My finger just told me you are not the only one!!!

Evelyn C Mason wrote:

> Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away
> with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!!  Abbie in Va...
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AMEN

Suzanne Gunn wrote:

>  One day a father and his rich family took his young son on a trip to
> the country with the firm purpose to show him how poor people can be.
> They spent a day and a night in the farm of a very poor family.
> When they got back from their trip the father asked his son, "How was
> the trip?"
>  "Very good, Dad!"
>
>  "Did you see how poor people can be?" the father asked.
>
>  "Yeah!"
>
>  "And what did you learn?"
>
>  The son answered, "I saw that we have a dog at home, and they have
>  four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of the garden, they
>  have a creek that has no end. We have imported lamps in the garden,
>  they have the stars. Our patio reaches to the front yard, they have a
>  whole horizon."
>
>  When the little boy was finishing, his father was speechless.
>
>  His son added, "Thanks Dad for showing me how poor we are!"
>
>  Isn't it true that it all depends on the way you look at things? If
>  you have love, friends, family, health, good humor and a positive
>  attitude
>  towards life - you've got everything!
>
>  You can't buy any of these things. You can have all the material
>  possessions you can imagine, provisions for the future, etc., but if
>  you are poor of spirit, you have nothing!
>
> Tulsa Suzanne
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I think E and P have it goin on! ;o)

Suzanne


Family Account wrote:
> 
> Yes, Suzanne, and I hear that Emeraldine will be keeping a close eye on
> Pierre...not that he is normally tempted to stray, but....
> 
> Dorothy
> 
> Suzanne Gunn wrote:
> 
> > Havent you heard????  She's coming to the USA!!! :o)
> >
> > Suzanne
> >
> > Family Account wrote:
> > >
> > > Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???
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Hi everyone - Any postal employees out there that can tell me what this 
length plus girth thing is for sending small packages to Canada?  I have to 
send a small package to Canada and need to know the postage so I can charge 
the receiver (something I sold on ebay).  So it weighs 8 oz. and the box is 
6-1/2" x 9" x 2" high.  The post office website says I can send it by small 
packet airmail for only $1.83 but the length can't be over 24" and the length 
plus girth can't be over 36".  If I figure the length is 9" is the girth 
6-1/2 plus 6-1/2 plus 2 plus 2, which is 17?  If I add 17 to 9 that's 26 and 
I'd be OK.  But I don't know if they mean the girth both ways (around the 9" 
side as well) and I've looked and looked at all their documentation and can't 
find a clarification of "girth".  Does anyone know?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Despite my teacher repeatedly warning me not to brush the cutting board
with my hand, I forget and still do it every now and again.  I remember
*real* quick! 

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Washed off a 150 piece panel which contained over a dozen flowers, each with
5 petals.  Forgot to give the pen time to dry before washing.  Spread them
all out to dry.  This was at 0130 hr.  When I got up and went back to the
project...all the numbers had been washed off.  Jigsaw puzzles anyone??

C.

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seaspray@island.net

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Message text written by Shirley Balloch
>I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece
> before.  Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let
> alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.<

Thanks for the kudos, but we sometimes also have the
devil of a time with certain projects.  Right now my nemisis
is a 22" Wordon lampshade pattern called "4 Little Pigs".
If anyone is remotely thinking about doing this pattern - =

DON'T.  You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade.
Wrong.  What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the
pattern to make it on the 22" form.  So it's acutally 8 little
pigs.  And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you
have to use tweezers to handle them.  Throw this pattern
away.  My dumb thing is I quoted & accepted the contract
to do this lampshade based on my perception of the
intricacy involved.  Instead, it's become my nightmare!

Christie Wood
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My flux brush has gone into cutting oil (I put my flux and cutting oil in
small plastic cups that I toss when done), I have also put my soldering iron
into flux cup instead of holder when just not watching.  :-)
Linda Jo
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>>>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
>their
>coffee cup or iron stand?<<
>
>I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................
Bob
>
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I think I finally have the dates of our trip to Aberdeen, Md.  Dan will be
in class Monday through Friday August 16 through the 20th at Aberdeen
Proving Ground, and I will be running the streets seeing what trouble I can
get into.  (glasswise of course)

Anyone that is in the area, maybe we can get together.  I will have a car,
and hope to get together with KSee, and go to Meredith.  I am going to make
the trek up to Allentown also, long drive but have to do it.  It is a bit of
a jaunt but would be a shame to be that close and not go up there.  Uncle
Sam has for sure made it almost impossible for me to make it to Glass
Visions :-( unless something changes.

Patrick, I need to know the BEST CRABCAKE place in Baltimore?  You promised.
I am open to any and all suggestion for studios to go to and stuff from
anyone.

If there is anyone that is north of Baltimore (on I-95) and knows where I
can find decent accommodations (that don't rent by the hour) within 30-45
minutes to the Proving Ground.  I haven't been up there in 3 years and there
must be some new places in the BelAir area.  Any and all Input welcome.
Last time we ended up in a elegant B&B with NO!! A/C, in August.

Thanks Guys,
Linda Jo


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Here's a dumb thing I hate:

Accidentally using the wrong type of foil  - uggg

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BMarhon@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone - Any postal employees out there that can tell me what this
> length plus girth thing is for sending small packages to Canada?  I have to
> send a small package to Canada and need to know the postage so I can charge
> the receiver (something I sold on ebay).  So it weighs 8 oz. and the box is
> 6-1/2" x 9" x 2" high.  The post office website says I can send it by small
> packet airmail for only $1.83 but the length can't be over 24" and the length
> plus girth can't be over 36".  If I figure the length is 9" is the girth
> 6-1/2 plus 6-1/2 plus 2 plus 2, which is 17?  If I add 17 to 9 that's 26 and
> I'd be OK.  But I don't know if they mean the girth both ways (around the 9"
> side as well) and I've looked and looked at all their documentation and can't
> find a clarification of "girth".  Does anyone know?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brenda
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it's the length PLUS the width TIMES 2. then ADD the height to get the
girth.

---Mike Savad

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Steve,
That is a good one.  I am trying to not walk out into my studio barefooted.
I sometimes just forget.  I only wear shoes when absolutely necessary.
Linda Jo
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>Despite my teacher repeatedly warning me not to brush the cutting board
>with my hand, I forget and still do it every now and again.  I remember
>*real* quick!
>
>Steve
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>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
>their coffee cup or iron stand?<<
>
Of course not...I try to remember to use the cups with lids and bottles for
water instead of glasses   not quite so big a mess if you tip them over
when you get all absorbed and forget the cup is sitting there.

I forget and brush with my hand occassionally too....I found the best cure
is doing the dishes in a tub of hot sudsy water instead of using the
dishwasher on those nights.

of course a well fluxed glass cut takes forever to heal. oh yeah, and glass
bits in the eye are fun too.
Dee
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Christie,
Advice taken, if it is a real bear for you, then I know I would never ever
take it on.  I don't have the urge at this time in my life to do a shade
anyhow, but should I the pigs won't be it.  Thanks!!
Linda Jo

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>Message text written by Shirley Balloch
>>I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece
>> before.  Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let
>> alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.<
>
>Thanks for the kudos, but we sometimes also have the
>devil of a time with certain projects.  Right now my nemisis
>is a 22" Wordon lampshade pattern called "4 Little Pigs".
>If anyone is remotely thinking about doing this pattern - =
>
>DON'T.  You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade.
>Wrong.  What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the
>pattern to make it on the 22" form.  So it's acutally 8 little
>pigs.  And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you
>have to use tweezers to handle them.  Throw this pattern
>away.  My dumb thing is I quoted & accepted the contract
>to do this lampshade based on my perception of the
>intricacy involved.  Instead, it's become my nightmare!
>
>Christie Wood
>Art Glass Ensembles
>http://www.igga.org/wood/
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Carol,
I know you can do it.  I have done the very same thing, (only once)  Isn't
it interesting how we learn all of this.  I must say they must be changing
the gold pen fluid as I have noticed it is taking longer to dry and washes
off way too easy.  I use it to mark antique glassware and boy I know this
stuff won't work as good at the same stuff in the "old days".......  Maybe
it is just me.
Linda Jo
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>
>Washed off a 150 piece panel which contained over a dozen flowers, each
with
>5 petals.  Forgot to give the pen time to dry before washing.  Spread them
>all out to dry.  This was at 0130 hr.  When I got up and went back to the
>project...all the numbers had been washed off.  Jigsaw puzzles anyone??
>
>C.
>
>Carol Swann
>Synergy Glass & Creative
>http://www.igga.org/synergy
>seaspray@island.net
>
>check out the latest info on Elisabeth's trip at:
>http://come.to/The_E-Tour
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6/9/99 8:42 PM Linda Jo Letscher andor@ilnk.com

I filled my cutter container with flux! You can imagine how the cutter 
tip looked when I found it days later - all gone.
Also Bob, you are in good company! Thank goodness I didn't have a nice 
swig of coffee before it was discovered.

>My flux brush has gone into cutting oil (I put my flux and cutting oil in
>small plastic cups that I toss when done), I have also put my soldering iron
>into flux cup instead of holder when just not watching.  :-)
>Linda Jo
>
>>>>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
>>their
>>coffee cup or iron stand?<<
>>
>>I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................
>Bob
>>
>


suzanne albright
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>>DON'T.  You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade.
Wrong.  What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the
pattern to make it on the 22" form.  So it's acutally 8 little
pigs.  And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you
have to use tweezers to handle them.  <<

Now here is a place where a bit of fusing would come in handy. Can fuse down
to the size of a grain of sugar. Also the look of the piggies would likely
be much better than being all cluttered up with lead. I look to fuse
components whenever I can. .......... Bob

Bob Duchesneau, Mountain Meadow Stained Glass 92026
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>Hi everyone - Any postal employees out there that can tell me what this 
>length plus girth thing is for sending small packages to Canada?  I have to 
>send a small package to Canada and need to know the postage so I can charge 
>the receiver (something I sold on ebay).  So it weighs 8 oz. and the box is 
>6-1/2" x 9" x 2" high.  The post office website says I can send it by small 
>packet airmail for only $1.83 but the length can't be over 24" and the length 
>plus girth can't be over 36".  If I figure the length is 9" is the girth 
>6-1/2 plus 6-1/2 plus 2 plus 2, which is 17?  If I add 17 to 9 that's 26 and 
>I'd be OK.  But I don't know if they mean the girth both ways (around the 9" 
>side as well) and I've looked and looked at all their documentation and can't 
>find a clarification of "girth".  Does anyone know?

Brenda...I deal with this all the time.  The length is the longest dimension
of the package...in this case 9".  The "girth" is the same as the waistline
on a person so if you took a string and put it around the package on the 2
shorter sides that would give you the girth.  In your case girth will be 6.5
plus 6.5 plus 2 plus 2 equals 17".  Add on the 9 inches and yes, you get 26
and the package cannot go small packet rate.  Ask them to quote you for
parcel post instead.  

Within Canada you can sometimes get away with putting something in an
ExpressPost package (a particular sized envelope similar to courier pouches
where anything you can stuff in and still close the lid on is fair game) for
less than the parcel post rate...my local post office lady always checks
both for me.

Hope that helps

C.

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative
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I bought some of those pre-cut kits from Glass Crafter.  They were on
sale at the time.  5 designs for $35. The iris(which no one has liked to
date)has 28 pieces of glass and is made out of Bull's Eye.  The red rose
which sold right away, was also made out of Bull's Eye.  I thought the
same thing, that all the designs would be made out of spectrum, but it
was just the opposite.
At that sale price it was cheaper to buy theirs, than do my own.  But
the price has gone back up, so once you add postage, mine is more profit
making.
Shirley B


Shari Higbee wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo <cpjaram@7cities.net>
> Subject: tv craft shows
> 
> >Shari wrote..... And what makes it worse is all the crafty
> >tv shows that show them how to "make their own" stepping stones.
> >
> >
> >I wonder what impact those shows do have on sales?  I confess though, I did
> >send off for one of Vicky Payne's videos after she demonstrated
> mosaics...it
> >wasn't worth it.
> >
> 
> Good question. I wasn't too worried about until I saw the pre-cut glass
> roses and other designs at the craft store next to the Vicky Payne mosaic
> grout and mosaic molds... The glass is cut with water jets and looks great--
> probably Spectrum. Now not only can "anybody" do it, but they can even make
> the stained glass design versions too... not just glass nuggets, etc. I just
> hope that people get tired of seeing the same pink glass rose everywhere and
> come back to buying from the pros!
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Hello

Everybody and his uncle seems to be talking today so I though I would add to
the mayhem!

I get my solder in straight sticks about 24" long. I've seen it on dinky
reels but never in bottles! Is this something else I am denied simply
because I live in Blighty? Explain please!

Best regards

BtB


> I find myself trying to put the iron in the solder bottle!
>


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Hello

That's pretty macho - drinking flux flavoured coffee! Mind you I have done
it with a paint brush. It brings a degree of consternation to people you
meet when you smile at them with blue teeth!

Best regards

BtB

> >>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
> their
> coffee cup or iron stand?<<


> I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................
Bob
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The end of January, I was making lots and lots of winged hearts for
Valentines day.  I had about 30 with 3 different sizes, and different
glasses..all laid out in my workshop ready to solder.  

My mother was visiting and she and my husband walked through my
workshop.  My husband decided it would be comical to play Mr Potato head
and see how long it would take me to put it back together, as if all
parts were interchangable. 

Needless to say I was *slightly* irritated.  I made it very clear after
that, that *no one* was to *touch* ANYthing in my shop!  (he also opened
a dog food bag with my foil shears, they have never been the same)

T Suzanne
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"When pigs fly" is the time when I'd try that lamp, only then, so hopefully
I'm safe.
C Tombro

Linda Jo Letscher wrote:

> Christie,
> Advice taken, if it is a real bear for you, then I know I would never ever
> take it on.  I don't have the urge at this time in my life to do a shade
> anyhow, but should I the pigs won't be it.  Thanks!!
> Linda Jo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christie A. Wood <Ensembles@compuserve.com>
> To: Bungi <glass@bungi.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Dumb things I have done...
>
> >Message text written by Shirley Balloch
> >>I have never been so miserable making a stained glass piece
> >> before.  Gave me great respect for those of you who make windows, let
> >> alone earn(and you truely do earn it) your living at it.<
> >
> >Thanks for the kudos, but we sometimes also have the
> >devil of a time with certain projects.  Right now my nemisis
> >is a 22" Wordon lampshade pattern called "4 Little Pigs".
> >If anyone is remotely thinking about doing this pattern - =
> >
> >DON'T.  You would think it's got 4 pigs in the lampshade.
> >Wrong.  What they don't tell you is you have to repeat the
> >pattern to make it on the 22" form.  So it's acutally 8 little
> >pigs.  And I do mean LITTLE....as in pieces so tiny you
> >have to use tweezers to handle them.  Throw this pattern
> >away.  My dumb thing is I quoted & accepted the contract
> >to do this lampshade based on my perception of the
> >intricacy involved.  Instead, it's become my nightmare!
> >
> >Christie Wood
> >Art Glass Ensembles
> >http://www.igga.org/wood/
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Hi, All
cracking up at shared dumb stuff, and thought I'd share with you the
"Murphy's Law of Stained Glass", sent out by my supplier with their
catalogue. Apologies if you've heard them

MURPHY'S LAW OF STAINED GLASS

Murphy's original Law:
anything than can go wrong, will

Solder Law:
Hot Solder looks exactly like cold solder

Breakage Law
The number of bad breaks you get is directly proportional to the price of
the glass

Breakage Law 99
The number of bad breaks is in opposite proportion to the amount of glass on
hand

Breakage Law 999:
The number of bad breaks is proportional to the distance from your Supplier

Law of Studio Geometry
Any horizontal surface is soon piled up
At the most difficult (or messiest) point in construction of any project,
the phone will ring.
The moment your hands touch lead, flux or patina, extreme hunger pains will
commence.
Everyone knows someone who does glass.... cheaper.
One lead joint will always be left unsoldered

Replacement Law:
The moment you replace a lost tool with a new one, you will find the
original

Installation Law:
The time required to install is proportional to the number of people
watching
There is no such thing as a clean Stained Glass Window
The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the
severity of the swear word used.
Everything takes longer than you think
Deadlines are always closer than you thought

Installation Law 99:
The tool you desperately need is back at the Studio


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>glass
>bits in the eye are fun too.
>Dee

Isn't this the truth! I made one score the other night, forgot to put on the 
old safty glasses, and of course, I got a piece of glass in my eye. What a 
pain, in more ways then one. Bet I don't forget the glasses for a while.
                    Kathy
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At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions Presentation.

Vic M.



		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Kaye Sodt [mailto:kaye@GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU]
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		Do we have any volunteers to demonstrate their technique???

		The expert will soon be winging her way westward---maybe it 
		will be included in the workshops......

		 ; - )

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In a message dated 6/9/99 10:53:04 AM, ABBIE23875@prodigy.net writes:

>Now tell me , am I the only one who has tried to nudge a solder blob away
>with your fingers.... while it is still hot!!!

Not on purpose........ but it never ceases to amaze me *how long* a glob of 
solder stays hot!

Lemme see...... the dumbest thing I ever did was to absent-mindedly "choke 
up" on my iron the third or fourth time I ever soldered. That cured me of the 
"pencil grip" permanently!

The second dumbest thing I ever did was to bend down to pick up something off 
the floor and run smack into the jagged broken skirt of a fruit lamp that was 
hanging in the corner of the shop awaiting repair. Fortunately (1) the lamp 
stayed put, only one piece fell out and that was one of the broken ones 
anyway, and (2) the chunk it took out of my forehead managed to miss my 
hairline and the flap of skin was still attached, so I was able to bandage it 
up, cover it with a tight-fitting baseball hat, and keep working. (I also got 
out a bunch of bubble wrap and masking tape and wrapped up the broken edge of 
the lamp in case I decide to get klutzy again. There's more than one way to 
use your head!)


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In a message dated 6/8/99 12:44:01 PM, cpjaram@7cities.net writes:

>I have all
>summer off to play glass...because I am an under-paid teacher! 

Yeah, but lest anyone forget: all you school teachers out there *earn* that 
summer off by all those outside-of-school hours nobody thinks about....... 
planning lessons, grading papers, being advisors for extracurricular 
activities, etc. etc. Not to mention putting up with everybody's little 
monsters - oops, I mean angels - no, I think I got it right the first time - 
day after day!


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In a message dated 6/8/99 1:12:18 PM, RCall10713@cs.com writes:

>If you are grumpy, oppositional, difficult, or just plain ornery,
>there will be a $50.00 charge for putting up with you.

A couple of my favorites, both of which happen to come from motor-vehicle 
repair places........

>From my local auto mechanic, who's the greatest:

	Labor $20/hour
	If you watch $30/hour
	If you help $40/hour
	If you worked on it first $50/hour

>From the folks who service our motor scooter (yep, it's still alive and well 
and showing up regularly in Skippack with a bucket of tools on the back 
rack), one that goes something like this, I don't remember exactly, since 
it's been a while:

	Engine repair labor rates:
		ping-ping-ping $50
		tink-tink-tink $75
		pop-pop-pop $100
		clunk-thud-clunk $300


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In a message dated 6/9/99 3:10:08 PM, daver!one.net!kleeman@aol.com writes:

>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
>their coffee cup or iron stand?

I've been well-trained never to set anything edible or drinkable on the work 
table, and 99+% of the time I actually remember not to do it. But I have been 
known to come awfully close to dipping my flux brush in the iron stand, or 
the push-pin bottle, or the hole in the middle of the extra spool of solder, 
or anything else that's handy and has a round hole in the top. So far I've 
always managed to catch myself in time though!


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Hi Everyone,

I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wear
latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece of
hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove,
probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole idea
is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:)
Am I wrong?
Monica

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seaspray@island.net wrote:
> 
> Washed off a 150 piece panel which contained over a dozen flowers, each with
> 5 petals.  Forgot to give the pen time to dry before washing.  Spread them
> all out to dry.  This was at 0130 hr.  When I got up and went back to the
> project...all the numbers had been washed off.  Jigsaw puzzles anyone??
> 
> C.
> 
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that's why for things like that it's best to foil as you go along. it
should be fun...


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I had a full sheet of clear water glass, cut in half for ease of storing.
Temporarily leaned them up against the front of a chair while I was doing
something else. A few minutes later, obviously forgetting it was there and
since it was clear I didn't see it, I sat down in the chair. The chair
rocked forward a little bit and the glass was under my legs. It didn't just
break--it EXPLODED all over the room in tiny fragments. Every inch of the
sheet broke into millions of pieces--there wasn't a usable inch left. All I
can say is "thank goodness I was wearing jeans and not shorts--I'd probably
have bled to death otherwise."

Shari in SLC


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At 01:29 AM 6/10/99 -0500, Suzanne Gunn wrote:
>
>My mother was visiting and she and my husband walked through my
>workshop.  My husband decided it would be comical to play Mr Potato head
>and see how long it would take me to put it back together, as if all
>parts were interchangable. 
>
>Needless to say I was *slightly* irritated.  I made it very clear after
>that, that *no one* was to *touch* ANYthing in my shop!  (he also opened
>a dog food bag with my foil shears, they have never been the same)
>
>T Suzanne

My wife used my shears to try to cut a piece of corrugated cardboard and
then made it worse by complaining that I had bought lousy scissors!

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ktsplash wrote:

> Hi, All
> cracking up at shared dumb stuff, and thought I'd share with you the
> "Murphy's Law of Stained Glass", sent out by my supplier with their
> catalogue. Apologies if you've heard them
>
> MURPHY'S LAW OF STAINED GLASS
>
> Murphy's original Law:
> anything than can go wrong, will
>
> Solder Law:
> Hot Solder looks exactly like cold solder
>
> Breakage Law
> The number of bad breaks you get is directly proportional to the price of
> the glass
>
> Breakage Law 99
> The number of bad breaks is in opposite proportion to the amount of glass on
> hand
>
> Breakage Law 999:
> The number of bad breaks is proportional to the distance from your Supplier
>
> Law of Studio Geometry
> Any horizontal surface is soon piled up
> At the most difficult (or messiest) point in construction of any project,
> the phone will ring.
> The moment your hands touch lead, flux or patina, extreme hunger pains will
> commence.
> Everyone knows someone who does glass.... cheaper.
> One lead joint will always be left unsoldered
>
> Replacement Law:
> The moment you replace a lost tool with a new one, you will find the
> original
>
> Installation Law:
> The time required to install is proportional to the number of people
> watching
> There is no such thing as a clean Stained Glass Window
> The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the
> severity of the swear word used.
> Everything takes longer than you think
> Deadlines are always closer than you thought
>
> Installation Law 99:
> The tool you desperately need is back at the Studio

Thanks for posting this .... GREAT post. <smile>

Regards ..... Bob




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> Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote:
>
> Lemme see...... the dumbest thing I ever did was to absent-mindedly "choke
> up" on my iron the third or fourth time I ever soldered. That cured me of the
> "pencil grip" permanently!
>
>
> Sparks
> 
At least you learned your lesson.  When I draw, I usually hold the
pencil under my palm a couple of inches from the point.  When I need
extra control for details, I'll choke up to a writing grip.  I'm still a
novice at stained glass and I can get pretty intent on that solder line.
Next thing I know I'm letting go of the iron pretty fast.


J.D.
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> At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions
> Presentation.

It's my understanding she's not scheduled to make a presentation 
during Glass Visions. She's just there as an honored guest.

Albert
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Ha! When I started my most recent relationship (going on 8 yrs now) I made it  VERY 
PLAIN that tools or chemicals or ANYTHING ELSE found in the shop area was not to 
be used without permission.. I must admit that, having been caught only 2 times initially 
with those 'interesting curved pliers' he now asks permission, and uses whatever it is 
carefully, with full knowledge he may have to replace it..

It's worked out! and it's hilarious to hear him give the 'shop tour'!
Candy
>The end of January, I was making lots and lots of winged hearts for
>Valentines day.  I had about 30 with 3 different sizes, and different
>glasses..all laid out in my workshop ready to solder.  
>
>My mother was visiting and she and my husband walked through my
>workshop.  My husband decided it would be comical to play Mr Potato head
>and see how long it would take me to put it back together, as if all
>parts were interchangable. 
>
>Needless to say I was *slightly* irritated.  I made it very clear after
>that, that *no one* was to *touch* ANYthing in my shop!  (he also opened
>a dog food bag with my foil shears, they have never been the same)


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My friend was turning fifty last May and I wanted to make her a fused fish
platter.  However, I got distracted and overfired.  The piece was boiling
with bubbles when I peaked in...so I panic-ed, and flash vented.  Then
thinking back on it, I probably over flash vented and took the temp down too
fast.  I didn't sleep that night thinking how I ruined this platter.  Woke
up at 5:30 am and decided to go out to the shop and see what was left.  It
looked perfect!  Brought it in, and as everyone rose I showed it off.  I was
so pleased.  I washed it off.  Then I rested it in a window to admire.  The
window faced slightly north east.  As the sun rose, the glass platter
exploded right in the window sill.  What is the rule on thermo-shocking
newly fused pieces...???

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I am working on a Eschar (sp?) tessellation of butterflies?  Because of the
number of small pieces and the preciseness of the fitting, I seem to be able
to work on this for about 2 hours at a time!  I really feel like quitting
and chucking it out as a stupid idea, or putting it away and forgetting it
on purpose.  How does one keep on moving on a project that you have lost
patience for, have lost the love of, and have the desire to forget?  It does
help to know that out there someone is finishing the 8 little piggies that
are dancing around a lampshade!  Misery loves company!

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About gloves -

I've been wanting to try golf gloves or something similar - leather, with=
 good
grip and fit.  Has anyone tried anything like this when soldering?

I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wea=
r
latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece o=
f
hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove,
probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole id=
ea
is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:=
)


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Low standards among friends are OK - they understand and they find our human
foibles funny.

Low standards displayed for anyone who walks into the shop is just plain
dumb.  Who knows who the next person through the door will be and whether
they will find that "funny" sign amusing or insulting.

So perhaps the question is: which category does bungi fall into?  I consider
a whole pile of you my friends even though we have never met.  However,
there are apparently another 350 lurkers out there in bungi land who I have
only heard from once or twice (or not at all) and who I know nothing about.

Now as to soldering in the buff: I don't find it offensive, but just the
thought makes me cringe in pain.  I am real clumsy and I am just visualizing
what happens when I hit that spot I over-fluxed and the hot solder and flux
splatters in every direction.  Or when I lean forward against the table
where that sharp sliver of glass has been lying there waiting for just this
opportunity.  Just thinking about it right now and I realize my knees are
crossed tightly. :-)

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>I find the thought of that totally disgusting, and
>offensive. What a minute, are you the same people who
>didn't like the sign in the shop that talked about
>lower standards?
>Rick
>
>--- rrk <ezcomezgo@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Linda Jo Letscher wrote:
>>
>> > Liz
>> > Good idea, does this mean I have to keep my garage
>> door closed?  :-)
>>
>> Nahhhhhhhhhhh .... garage door open will be just
>> fine.
>>
>> BTW, what was that address?
>>
>> <smile>
>>
>>
>>
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In a message dated 6/10/99 12:12:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
shigbee@stmassociates.com writes:

<< It didn't just
 break--it EXPLODED all over the room in tiny fragments. Every inch of the
 sheet broke into millions of pieces--there wasn't a usable inch left. All I
 can say is "thank goodness I was wearing jeans and not shorts--I'd probably
 have bled to death otherwise." >>

Shari, that is scary.

The dumbest thing I ever did was go into the front hall (we have never used 
the front door....I think the saying Backdoor guest originated at my house) 
where I had a quarter or half sheet of glass leaning in a laundry basket; 
needless to say I forgot it was there and cut my knee pretty good, knee 
required five stitches.  However, I have received little cuts from working 
with glass that actually have been more painful.

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Shari,
Oh horrors.  Good grief, you are so VERY lucky you wern't killed.  Gee....
Glad you made it through.  Amazing that the glass just shattered in small
pieces which is what probably saved you.
Linda Jo
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>I had a full sheet of clear water glass, cut in half for ease of storing.
>Temporarily leaned them up against the front of a chair while I was doing
>something else. A few minutes later, obviously forgetting it was there and
>since it was clear I didn't see it, I sat down in the chair. The chair
>rocked forward a little bit and the glass was under my legs. It didn't just
>break--it EXPLODED all over the room in tiny fragments. Every inch of the
>sheet broke into millions of pieces--there wasn't a usable inch left. All I
>can say is "thank goodness I was wearing jeans and not shorts--I'd probably
>have bled to death otherwise."
>
>Shari in SLC
>
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> The number of people you didn't know were listening is proportional to the
> severity of the swear word used.


Iv'e been listening to *alot* of audio books recently while working in
my shop.  Funny how you dont think of books as rated...and words seem to
be more potent out loud than when read.

Ive been very aware of this suddenly when one of the kids opens the door
to my shop...Im finding that the people in my books dont see them come
in.

  Even though they arent particulary sexy novels the characters
**always** seem to be having very steamy sexual experiences *Everytime*
one of the kids opens the door!  My 9 yr old, and our 13 yr old friend,
have possibly learned a thing or two recently!

Currently, Im listening to "how Stella got her groove back" which is
read by the author.  Stella likes to swear..but she also makes me laugh.

T Suzanne
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I am currently using "Gloves in a Bottle".  I used to use a brand available
from a nearby safety equipment supplier.  But now this "Gloves in a Bottle"
stuff is available at just about every building supply store around, it's
cheaper, and the specifications seem to say it is exactly the same stuff.

I don't trust a barrier cream for everything though.  For more dangerous
chemicals I buy boxes of vinyl or latex gloves - 100 gloves for $13.95 cdn.
The vinyl has less risk of developing a future allergy (latex allergies seem
to be epidemic right now), but only latex works with acetones or acids.  The
gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is exactly
the idea - you should throw them away once they are contaminated from any
particular chemical anyway.  With reusable cotton glove liners (3pr. = $2.95
cdn.), they are actually fairly comfortable too.  All are available from Lee
Valley Tools catalogue and probably just about any safety supply store.

-----Original Message-----
From: Suzanne Gunn <gunnx4@ix.netcom.com>
To: Rita Tidwell <tidwell2@bellsouth.net>
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: string


>>  I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I
>> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off.
>
>
>Would you mind recommending one to the rest of us... I *try* to wear
>gloves..but I have really short fingers, and end up burning the tips
>when I am soldering edges.
>
>Then I take the glove off, and end up with flux all over me, and its
>really hard to get off as I imagine you know.
>Ok...now just remembered another dumb thing I do...I dont throw the
>glove away...(I wash the flux off) then later I grab a glove not
>realising it is one with a little burn hole in the tip...and stick it in
>a dish of patina...there are always nicks etc....on my fingers, so all
>of a sudden that finger will start burning..and I realise I am getting
>patina in a cut.  My blood is probably toxic.  Come to think of it,
>maybe that is why that finger is so red and sore/swollen looking.
>
>T Suz
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>
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Another of the very good reasons I wear cotton liners under the gloves.

-----Original Message-----
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>Hi Everyone,
>
>I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wear
>latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece of
>hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove,
>probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole idea
>is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:)
>Am I wrong?
>Monica
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> At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions
> Presentation.

It's my understanding she's not scheduled to make a presentation 
during Glass Visions. She's just there as an honored guest.

Albert

I think at the very least they should put her in a glass bubble like an 
animated museum exhibit:  "traditional stained glass artist at 
work" (soldering nude in the garden).  Or suspend her in a go-go 
dancer cage where we can all pass by and gawk at her!

(I'm in trouble now.... ; - )

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Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote:
> 
> I am working on a Eschar (sp?) tessellation of butterflies?  Because of the
> number of small pieces and the preciseness of the fitting, I seem to be able
> to work on this for about 2 hours at a time!  I really feel like quitting
> and chucking it out as a stupid idea, or putting it away and forgetting it
> on purpose.  How does one keep on moving on a project that you have lost
> patience for, have lost the love of, and have the desire to forget?  It does
> help to know that out there someone is finishing the 8 little piggies that
> are dancing around a lampshade!  Misery loves company!
> 
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the way i work is simple: do as much as you can, and if you get tired,
stop. and when doing it, don't look at the end; instead look at one
piece at a time. cut one now so you don't have to do it later.

---Mike Savad

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Oh, dear, rumors....
I want you all to know that Pierre is loyal and monogamous, and that Emeraldine
knows more ways to use a glass cutter than most of us have ever imagined.
Dorothy

Suzanne Gunn wrote:

> I think E and P have it goin on! ;o)
>
> Suzanne
>
> Family Account wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Suzanne, and I hear that Emeraldine will be keeping a close eye on
> > Pierre...not that he is normally tempted to stray, but....
> >
> > Dorothy
> >
> > Suzanne Gunn wrote:
> >
> > > Havent you heard????  She's coming to the USA!!! :o)
> > >
> > > Suzanne



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Being serious now...

I think this thread is a good time to remind ourselves that we have to
be careful in creating beauty.  It's so easy to become careless or
inattentive or treat it all as routine.

So raise your right hand:  I pledge to be SAFE this week.

Dorothy

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I use nitrile gloves. They're blue and fit just like a second skin.
You can really feel with them. They are about $13 a box and I
got mine from Houston SG.  But I know some industrial supply
houses carry them, too.  Made by Best.

Nadine


> ** Original Subject: Re: string
> ** Original Sender: "Tim & Adriana Atwood" <atwoods@aisl.bc.ca>
> ** Original Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:42:01 -0700

> ** Original Message follows... 

>
> I am currently using "Gloves in a Bottle".  I used to use a brand available
> from a nearby safety equipment supplier.  But now this "Gloves in a Bottle"
> stuff is available at just about every building supply store around, it's
> cheaper, and the specifications seem to say it is exactly the same stuff.
> 
> I don't trust a barrier cream for everything though.  For more dangerous
> chemicals I buy boxes of vinyl or latex gloves - 100 gloves for $13.95 cdn.
> The vinyl has less risk of developing a future allergy (latex allergies seem
> to be epidemic right now), but only latex works with acetones or acids.  The
> gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is exactly
> the idea - you should throw them away once they are contaminated from any
> particular chemical anyway.  With reusable cotton glove liners (3pr. = $2.95
> cdn.), they are actually fairly comfortable too.  All are available from Lee
> Valley Tools catalogue and probably just about any safety supply store.
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: Suzanne Gunn <gunnx4@ix.netcom.com>
> To: Rita Tidwell <tidwell2@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: string
> 
> 
> >>  I use a barrier cream before fluxing(when I
> >> think of it) and that seems to help 'til it wears off.
> >
> >
> >Would you mind recommending one to the rest of us... I *try* to wear
> >gloves..but I have really short fingers, and end up burning the tips
> >when I am soldering edges.
> >
> >Then I take the glove off, and end up with flux all over me, and its
> >really hard to get off as I imagine you know.
> >Ok...now just remembered another dumb thing I do...I dont throw the
> >glove away...(I wash the flux off) then later I grab a glove not
> >realising it is one with a little burn hole in the tip...and stick it in
> >a dish of patina...there are always nicks etc....on my fingers, so all
> >of a sudden that finger will start burning..and I realise I am getting
> >patina in a cut.  My blood is probably toxic.  Come to think of it,
> >maybe that is why that finger is so red and sore/swollen looking.
> >
> >T Suz
> >--
> >Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised.
> >
> >                                       ----Harvey MacKay
> >----
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>** --------- End Original Message ----------- **

> 

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In a message dated 6/9/99 11:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
HiimLaura@aol.com writes:

<< Here's a dumb thing I hate:
 
 Accidentally using the wrong type of foil  - uggg
  >>
I agree on that, too, Laura, although I have certainly dropped the flux brush 
in strange places, and once lifted the soldering iron near my face to "feel 
if it was hot enough", when the weight of it tipped toward me and burned my 
lip.  That was a tough one to explain!  

But one of my many time-consuming errors was soldering in a copper-backed 
foiled piece of glass in a large panel of clear textures, all black-backed.  
All beaded, neat, cleaned, polished, then I held it up - the copper jumped 
out, and I knew the customer would not be happy - had to cut it out, 
unsolder, and do it over.  Of course, it was being installed the next morning.
Ann
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Message text written by "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo"
>How does one keep on moving on a project that you have lost
patience for, have lost the love of, and have the desire to forget?  It
does
help to know that out there someone is finishing the 8 little piggies tha=
t
are dancing around a lampshade!  Misery loves company!
<

Oh man... I'm the piggy woman.  I hate that thing!  I must confess
that I've been working on this &^%$*& lampshade for about
a year since I can't bring myself to work on it often.  But when I
do, I devote an entire day to it.  Tomorrow, it's piggy time after
I finish the second lead window restoration project.  It helps
if you publically talk about an obnoxious project with your
friends, so as to keep it in the forefront of your conscience.

Christie Wood
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Hi Friends,  I am lokking for some information on addresses for the Chicago 
Art Glass Co, and also Youghiogheny Factory.  My husband and I are planning a 
trip to Chicago in July and would like to be able to visit these factories.  
I am always amazed at the information that is out here for the asking and 
also just for picking up without asking.  This is a great service and I enjoy 
it thoroughly. 
Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide.  Also if there is 
any great places to check out stained glass I would be interested in that 
also..


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This is one of the signs posted in my studio:
	Labor rates   $20/hour
	If you watch  $30/hour
	If you help    $40/hour
	If you laugh  $75/hour
Luanne
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When I first started taking glass classes, I was trying to cut corners by
making do without certain tools until I got the next paycheck and could
pick out the newest addition to my menagerie.  I made do without an eye
shield for my grinder until one afternoon I ground a ton of pieces (wasn't
cutting really well yet either) and I realized I had little glass slivers
all over my face.  When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth
and ended up with the most interesting complextion.  I looked like some
strange villian out of a Batman movie.  I'll never grind again without
protection.  Luckily, I didn't get anything in my eyes!

Melissa

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Sorry I'm getting back to you so late, but thanks a bunch for the overview.
 That was very educational.  Of course, I'm seeing that there are other
addictive glass possibilities out there!

I totally agree with you about having a Thomas Eddison attitude.  I've
learned the most from the mistakes I've made along the way.

Thanks again,
Melissa

At 07:51 AM 6/7/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Melissa,  I use everything that will work.
>
>If it is a one shot mold, I use plaster of paris.  My girlfriend's husband
>owns a hardware store, so get the builders plaster of paris....it is
>smoother and doesn't set up as fast...don't ask me what the chemical or
>process difference, but if you use Hobby Lobby's plaster, it seems rough and
>grainy after using this stuff.
>
>If it is a more permanent mold, I use plain ol' ceramic clay,  I save my old
>shelf paper and shred it into the clay for more stability (with a respirator
>on).  I also have used refractory plaster....but clay is cheap and I am only
>a hobbiest, so expense is sometimes a consideration.
>
>But you can use anything from stainless steel bowls and spoons.  Ceramic
>bisque, calcium carbonate, firing bricks, refractory boards...anything that
>can stand the heat and you can get the glass to melt over without sticking.
>
>For the toads, I will probably make a couple of clay molds, so that the
>toads will have that slightly humped body, and hang the feet over the edge
>so that they will touch the shelf, level and flat.  For the lizard, I will
>cut a piece of refractory board.  The lizards will be flatter, and low to
>the ground.  Anyway, I will experiment until I get something that will works
>consistently.
>
>There are books on making molds.  I learned some from Gil Reynolds and Bruce
>Lundstrom's books on fusing and slumping, but now I have seen books on just
>mold making.  A friend of mine lent me a book on patte de verre, and it had
>even more examples of mold making.
>
>If you are going to start fusing and slumping, my advise is to have a
>"Thomas Edison" attitude.  He had to try 100 different materials before he
>came up with the filament for the light bulb.  When asked if he got
>frustrated, he simply replied, "No because I learned 100 things!"  In the
>class I took in Las Vegas this spring, the instructor said she made 20
>attempts before she successfully made a calla lilly that looked realistic.
>So any mold I make that does not come out just right, I just tell myself I
>am learning.   I have a feeling I will make a few lizards and toads before I
>get one that I like.  (I wonder if this is like the princess who kissed a
>bunch of toads, before she found her prince?)  As a teacher, I think this
>process of trying, failing, and learning is good for me, it constantly
>reminds me of what my students go through trying to learn everyday.  And
>that some of the things that I really learned, came from failure not
>success.  (I am beginning to sound too much like a motivational
>speaker...yuk!  I will put down my pom-poms and go water the flowers.)
>
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You simply must post after each time you do work on it.  We could consider
this a soap opera.  Too bad we can't play really bad dramatic organ music at
the end of each post!  Will she finish? or will she have pork chops for
supper?

I did put in my two hours this afternoon, thanks to you.  Then I took
everyone's advice and started on some vases for my dresser to put my
hairspray, etc. in.  I have one cut out...and that will give me something to
look forward to after my two hours of penance, tomorrow.  (Sister Joseph
Carmel use to tell us penance comes in many forms. I am sure this project is
a walk in humility for me!)

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Okay everybody,

I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done 
(concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one 
some thought...

Laura
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Okay everybody,

I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done 
(concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one 
some thought...

Laura
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>About gloves -
>
>I've been wanting to try golf gloves or something similar - leather, with=
> good
>grip and fit.  Has anyone tried anything like this when soldering?
>
>I've read several posts about fluxing and soldering with gloves on. I wea=
>r
>latex gloves professionally all the time and I would think that a piece o=
>f
>hot solder dropping on the gloves would result in melting the glove,
>probably to your hand resulting in a nasty burn? I know that the whole id=
>ea
>is to not have the solder hit your hand but I'm not always that graceful:=

Actually I've found the latex to have enough of an insulating effect that I
can pick up pieces that are still quite hot.  I also have enough time to
shake off the blob if I drop molten solder onto my hand by accident that
although I feel the heat there's no mark when I remove the glove.

Of course the REAL problem then comes when I'm just "doing one quick
suncatcher" and don't take the time to put gloves on for a couple of minutes
of soldering...I invariably try and hold the glass while it's still too hot,
drop the glass...and...

C.


Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative
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seaspray@island.net

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You might want to try looking for Chicago Art Glass in WISCONSIN........
caginfo@chicagoartglass.com 
Yogo is in Connesville, PA.

weaver51@teleport.com
Elaine and Howard
best lamps on the "net":
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> The
> gloves don't last long but when your working with chemicals that is >exactly the idea - you should throw them away once they are >contaminated from >any particular chemical anyway. 

Why ?  What chemicals are *you* talking about here?  

The chemicals I use
that I wear gloves for are flux and patina.  I wash my hands with soap
and water with the gloves *on* then hang them to dry.  I reuse them
until I get holes in them..or rip a finger off.

That is....when I actually use them.

 Tulsa Suzanne

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Does anyone know where I could find a simple pattern of a sewing machine or 
something else having to do with sewing like a needle and spools of thread? 
I'd like to make something as a gift for a sewing friend.

Thanks!
Laura
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Hi all, hope everyone is doing well this evening.

For quite an interesting time take the color/personality test at:
http://www.colorquiz.com/

My results were everything that is true in my self. Very weird.

Pam

--

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Melissa Hall wrote:
> 
> When I first started taking glass classes, I was trying to cut corners by
> making do without certain tools until I got the next paycheck and could
> pick out the newest addition to my menagerie.  I made do without an eye
> shield for my grinder until one afternoon I ground a ton of pieces (wasn't
> cutting really well yet either) and I realized I had little glass slivers
> all over my face.  When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth
> and ended up with the most interesting complextion.  I looked like some
> strange villian out of a Batman movie.  I'll never grind again without
> protection.  Luckily, I didn't get anything in my eyes!
> 
> Melissa
> 
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aren't those things fun! usually i wind up dusting them off with my
hands. i would have them on my arms and face, and wind up with all sorts
of scratches. but the real deciding point for putting in the shield was
when i kept getting crunchy particles in my mouth. or when the light it
my face in that certain way, and all the irridecsent flecks lit up and
made me look like i was visisted by a fairy that day. ...umm pixie dust,
from a little flying fairy, nothing else....


---Mike Savad

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At 12:09 AM 6/11/99 EDT, Laura wrote:
>
>Okay everybody,
>
>I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done 
>(concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one 
>some thought...
>
>Laura

The smartest thing I ever did was to get involved with glass.  It's changed
my life for the better in many ways.

Steve
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I try to remember to wear the latex gloves--especially when grinding. That's
when I really eat up my fingers. (My husband does construction work and my
hands are rougher than his...) But my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my
finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps
it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is
attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not
turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is not
a good thing to do to motors.

I agree with ... was it Dorothy?... it's time I focus on safety issues again
for awhile! Either that or just quit doing glass in my sleep. :-)
Shari


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>It's called (Over Here) de-soldering web; it's fine strands of copper 
>wire plaited together in a length which is then coiled up . I first 

>It works like a kind of blotting paper, literally soaking up excess 
>solder in amongst the fine strands of copper wire.
>Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK

You can make your own solder wick if you have any old television co-ax cable
available.
You strip off the outer braid of the cable,flux that then do the same thing
as with the commercial stuff to soak up the solder.

Brandon
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In a message dated 6/11/99 3:42:47 AM, HiimLaura@aol.com writes:

>I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done
>(concerning stained glass, of course!)

That one's easy. Saying, "Yeah, sure, why not?" when Christie called and 
asked me to help out with her Xmas rush a couple of years ago. Been gettin' 
paid to play ever since!

A couple of other good ones:

Putting my grinder in an old aquarium turned on its side, and (most recently) 
discovering that laying a small fluorescent light face down on top of the 
resulting enclosure gives terrific illumination with *no* pesky reflections

Keeping all my glass tools in a 5-gallon bucket fitted with one of those 
skillion-pocket tool caddy things...... it's the *real* portable glass shop!


Sparks
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dragged from another email list... but relevant to those of you who run WinDoze..

Candy>

I hadn't seen anyone post this yet so....

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/worm.explore.zip.html
<http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/worm.explore.zip.html> 

Worm.ExploreZip contains a very malicious payload. Worm.ExploreZip utilizes
Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Express, and Microsoft Exchange to mail itself
out by replying to unread messages in your Inbox. The payload of the worm
will destroy any file with the extension .h, .c, .cpp, .asm, .doc, .ppt, or
.xls on your hard drive(s), as well as any mapped drives, each time it is
executed. The worm will also search the mapped drives for Windows
installations and copy itself to the Windows directory, and then modify the
WIN.INI file. This will infect systems without e-mail clients. This
continues to occur until the worm is removed. 
You may receive this worm as a file attachment named "zipped_files.exe".
When run, this executable will copy itself to your Windows System directory
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Hi group,
I just broke my Diamond 1000 band saw blade.  When I broke the first
one, I was given an address of a guy in Florida that repairs them for
$25.  I put the address away in a safe place and I can't remember where
that safe place is.  Does anyone know this guy and his address, or
better yet does anyone know someone on the west coast who repairs band
saw blades?
Thanks in advance.
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I can help you with the Youghiogheny Factory - check out :
http://www.stainedglassbiz.com and follow the Youghiogheny link.

Here is an excerpt for the direction:
"Youghiogheny Station is located at 900 West Crawford Avenue in downtown
Connellsville, PA. Minutes from the scenic Yough River Trail, it is easily
accessible by foot, bike, or car. The trail, rated as one of the best in the
world, offers historical sites, resorts, bed and breakfasts, along with
nature's beauty.
30 minutes from Fallingwater, Seven Springs, Nemacolin Woodlands,
Greensburg, and Pittsburgh.

The hours for The Station are as follows:
Stained Glass Class - call for schedule (724) 628-0332
The Chief's Gallery - M-T-W-F-Sa, 10:00AM - 5:00PM, Thursdays 10:00AM -
7:00PM, Sunday 12:00PM - 4:00PM
The Glass Showroom - M-T-W-F-Sa, 10:00AM - 5:00PM, Thursdays 10:00AM -
7:00PM, Sunday 12:00PM - 4:00PM
"
It's in Connelsville, PA, about an hour from Pittsburgh.  Another place you
should visit while you're at Yough is Frank Lloyd Wright's masterpiece of
architecture: Fallingwater.  Not a whole lot of std. glass but definitely
worth seeing.  Very close to Yough.

Enjoy!

Dany
http://www.city-net.com/~dany

Daniela Birkelbach
Kennebec, Inc.
Custom Software Development
Internet Solutions
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Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:49 PM
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>Hi Friends,  I am lokking for some information on addresses for the Chicago
>Art Glass Co, and also Youghiogheny Factory.  My husband and I are planning
a
>trip to Chicago in July and would like to be able to visit these factories.
>I am always amazed at the information that is out here for the asking and
>also just for picking up without asking.  This is a great service and I
enjoy
>it thoroughly.
>Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide.  Also if there
is
>any great places to check out stained glass I would be interested in that
>also..
>
>
>Thanks again for your help.
>Zeusluvr (Susie Smith)
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Ok ---
The smartest thing Ihave ever done in relation to glass  was getting
involved at all! I've had many hobbies in my time but glass has lasted the
longest by far! It appeals as much to the technician in me as it does the
repressed 'artist'.

No hobby has ever given me so much satisfaction! There are even some
incoming pennies so it is largly self funding!

I can also say that I have met some extremely interesting and nice people
too. Certainly stimulating!

In terms of actually doing something smart intentionally then I will have to
have a hard think as to whether I have ever done so!!!!


BtB
>
>
> I think it's time to hear about the smartest things people have ever done
> (concerning stained glass, of course!). I, for one, have to give this one
> some thought...
>
> Laura
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And is Emeraldine going to share any of these new ways to use a glass
cutter?
After all isn't the purposes of Bungi sharing knowledge and learning new
skills.

Vic M.

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		Oh, dear, rumors....
		I want you all to know that Pierre is loyal and monogamous,
and that Emeraldine
		knows more ways to use a glass cutter than most of us have
ever imagined.
		Dorothy

		Suzanne Gunn wrote:

		> I think E and P have it goin on! ;o)
		>
		> Suzanne
		>
		> Family Account wrote:
		> >
		> > Yes, Suzanne, and I hear that Emeraldine will be keeping
a close eye on
		> > Pierre...not that he is normally tempted to stray,
but....
		> >
		> > Dorothy
		> >
		> > Suzanne Gunn wrote:
		> >
		> > > Havent you heard????  She's coming to the USA!!! :o)
		> > >
		> > > Suzanne



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In a message dated 6/10/99 10:17:26 PM, Ensembles@compuserve.com writes:

>It helps
>if you publically talk about an obnoxious project with your
>friends, so as to keep it in the forefront of your conscience.

And I suppose it can't hurt to have some fool working for you who doesn't 
mind spending an occasional full day doing the no-brainer stuff like grinding 
and foiling all those itty bitty pieces..........? :-)


Sparks
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	somewhat more than mere coincidence.........)
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Message text written by "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo"
>You simply must post after each time you do work on it.  We could consid=
er
this a soap opera.  Too bad we can't play really bad dramatic organ music=

at
the end of each post!  Will she finish? or will she have pork chops for
supper?<

OK - I'll do it just so that I can get this blasted thing off my solderin=
g
desk prior to moving my studio at the end of the month.
Last night I got out the foiling machine and will finish foiling all
gazillion pieces today.

Christie Wood
Art Glass Ensembles
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In a message dated 6/11/99 12:28:33 AM, wmh@scci.net writes:

>When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth
>and ended up with the most interesting complextion.

One day a couple of years ago, I'd been grinding glass all day and my 
well-meaning sweetie picked up a towel and went to wipe my thoroughly sparkly 
face, and I shrieked and jumped back a foot and nearly scared the daylights 
out of him. It hadn't occurred to him that he could (1) do a real sandpaper 
job on my face or (2) flip a piece of grit into my eye or (3) both of the 
above!

I must say there are some very good things about having a mate who's 
thoroughly in awe and slightly scared of the process though - at least I 
don't have to worry about my tools walking or my work-in-progress getting 
rearranged when I'm not looking!


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Message text written by "Bungi Buddies"
>A Digital Postcard is waiting for you at our virtual post office!

Yes, you can trust your eyes!
Bungi Buddies sent you a free Digital Postcard.<

I received this in my emailbox today.  I am deleting it.  I don't
know who sent it to me, and the return email address was
a made-up email address, so I'm very suspicious.  I always
delete emails from folk I don't know, especially in light of
the Melissa virus and the new email worm going around.
So, if you are the person who sent me this...sorry, but just
pick up the telephone or send me a real email or send me
a real postcard.

Christie Wood
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Hi All,

Brian,
That really made me chuckle!!
It also reminded me of an incident when Toby dipped his face  in a 
solution of red food dye that crashed on the floor (cake making) 
You should have seen peoples' expression later on that day, when we 
went out for our evening walk; Toby with RED teeth and red chops 
(blood??!)
Everyone gave HIM a wide berth...
Poor chap!
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK


> Hello
> 
> That's pretty macho - drinking flux flavoured coffee! Mind you I have done
> it with a paint brush. It brings a degree of consternation to people you
> meet when you smile at them with blue teeth!
> 
> Best regards
> 
> BtB
> 
> > >>and i am going to be the only one that admits the flux brush goes into
> > their
> > coffee cup or iron stand?<<
> 
> 
> > I have been doing this for years. Nice to have company. ................
> Bob
> >
> 
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Dear Albert , et al

You are absolutely correct!!
For some reason, I will appear at Glass Visions, looking pretty, 
saying Hello and  doing very little.
However, I bow in deference to the judgement of Charles & Marianne.

That I want to roll up my sleeves and get working with you all... 
will be something that will only be unfolded at the workshops with 
Jenna Meredith-Sanders in Maryland and the subsequent ones.
 
Jenna - as you know - had a baby about 10 months ago, a bouncing, 
bellowing little being. Despite all of that, she has committed 
herself to hosting TWO of my USA workshops. A very brave young lady 
- in deed.
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland

The dates for these two workshops are (both 2 full days):

14th 'n 15th August 1999
and
21st 'n 22nd August 1999

of which the FIRST one is virtually full up.

The second Work Shop  has STILL some places left.

Contact Jenna direct for reserving your place! Her e-mail address is

jenna sanders@yahoo.com

 There will be quite 
a Bungi-Party going on behind the scenes (from what I 
understand....), in particular in Maryland.

The NEXT workshop will be in Kansas City
on 11th 'n 12 September, 1999
First contact there is Mike Peck (who has organized it) 
summitstudio@worldnet.att.net
or
Gene Roper (who is hosting it) gene1@jdir.net

The NEXT one will be in Seattle at NW Art Glass
18th 'n 19th September, 1999

Contact is Carol Swann (who has organized it)  seaspray@island.net
OR
Richard at NW Art Glass (who is hosting it)  kemrem@aol.com

We still have to decide venue for the last workshop in Florida for 
28th 'n 29th September, probably in the Sarasota area.
Initially, register your interest with Lee Boe at  leestat7@home.com
OR
Lenore at  yegnim@aol.com

 Over the last 12 months I 
have saved up over 200 questions from Bungi-people in how to work in 
lead. THAT is precisely what my trip to USA is all about. 

I have NO gizmos, no awe-inspiring Robert Oddy look-alike- 
pretensions. I am coming over to show you how WE in Europe work in 
lead..... and very likely..... learn a lot from you folks too. My 
mission is - as I stated about 3 years ago in Bungi Group - to bring 
you Over There closer to us Over Here..... because we have a lot to 
share and a lot to learn from each other. I said that THREE years 
ago.... that is STIL:L a mission of mine.

Passion and love for stained glass is the same all over the World.... 
we just have different ways of doing it. I started off a couple of 
years ago with inviting you folks to join Us Over Here on a 
pilgrimmage to Chartres in France. Miracles of miracles....YOU 
travelled from USA to Over Here and as -as a result -  I got to know 
a small handful of people - face to face -equally as dedicated and 
passionate about stained glass as I myself. 

I, am now setting aside 2 months of my life of summer in my 
English garden (very crucial, very precious; no gooseberries, no 
plums, no p[um brandy, no apple wine, no black-berry conserve...... a 
poor year..... "sigh"....) to be with you; Charles Warner has made it 
possible; Dani 'n Michael Greer has fuelled it and Carol Swann in 
Canada has been the Big Chief.  And I have high hopes for people to 
meet at Glass Visions.......
And who knows.... I might just be suspended inside a bubble in a 
go-go dancer outfit, joined by our Mr. O'Tutu (Yep! You're in DEEP 
trouble Kaye!!). You all will just have to wait and see (tee-hee!)

I had intended to meet up with the other 12 or so of UK Bunginians 
before I left. Time is running out and I will most likely not achieve 
to meet more than about 1-2 before I leave. But I   W I L L  meet up 
with them on my return. That does not mean that I don't have a 
folder-full of suggestions from them to bring with me me across to 
USA.        I will have.

So if you can make it, so will I! For Jenna's workshops, cut-off 
point is 2 weeks before date of workshops so let her know quickly!!

My very Best

Elisabeth 'n stay-at-home Toby in UK




 

> > At the very least it will be expected in her Glass Visions
> > Presentation.
> 
> It's my understanding she's not scheduled to make a presentation 
> during Glass Visions. She's just there as an honored guest.
> 
> Albert
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This test is uncanny, or do we believe just what we want to believe. My 
personality was right on the button.

Smartest thing in glass for me to date has been to teach. When I started 
teaching a few years ago, I was nearing the point of burnout with SG. Tired 
of jealous competitors and no one willing to share ideas. Now I've found that 
many true stained glass artists aren't afraid to share and do enjoy helping 
fellow artists. This from Bungi as well as from my students. Yes, I learn 
from the students. Most have great original ideas and are eager to share. 

Marti
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Shirley
the last i heard, he is not doing it anymore...
Steve Swanson
p o box 939
sharpes Fl 32959-0939

let me know what you find out-ok?
thanx
debbie taylor
kleeman@one.net

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> 
> 
> Hi group,
> I just broke my Diamond 1000 band saw blade.  When I broke the first
> one, I was given an address of a guy in Florida that repairs them for
> $25.  I put the address away in a safe place and I can't remember where
> that safe place is.  Does anyone know this guy and his address, or
> better yet does anyone know someone on the west coast who repairs band
> saw blades?
> Thanks in advance.
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http://www.chicagoartglass.com/

about 130 miles north of chicago, actually in Wisconsin

regards,
charlie
phx, az

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>Hi Friends,  I am lokking for some information on addresses for the Chicago
>Art Glass Co, and also Youghiogheny Factory.  My husband and I are planning
a
>trip to Chicago in July and would like to be able to visit these factories.
>I am always amazed at the information that is out here for the asking and
>also just for picking up without asking.  This is a great service and I
enjoy
>it thoroughly.
>Thanks in advance for any info you may be able to provide.  Also if there
is
>any great places to check out stained glass I would be interested in that
>also..
>
>
>Thanks again for your help.
>Zeusluvr (Susie Smith)
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I think the thing I have done relating to stained glass was meeting up
with you guys. ;o)  I've learned a tremendous amount from you all in the 
last year.  

Tulsa Suzanne
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I went to the funeral of a friend this morning.
The church had gorgeous stained glass windows.  I have never seen a
window like this before and dont know what it is called.

The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.

They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked
very 3 D.  Does anyone know what Im talking about?  What is this
called?  Very unusual looking but very beautiful.

Tulsa Suzanne
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Mar333Wood@aol.com wrote:
> 
> This test is uncanny, or do we believe just what we want to believe. My
> personality was right on the button.
> 
> Smartest thing in glass for me to date has been to teach. When I started
> teaching a few years ago, I was nearing the point of burnout with SG. Tired
> of jealous competitors and no one willing to share ideas. Now I've found that
> many true stained glass artists aren't afraid to share and do enjoy helping
> fellow artists. This from Bungi as well as from my students. Yes, I learn
> from the students. Most have great original ideas and are eager to share.
> 
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if it gave and actual score that's one thing. but when it gives a
fortune at the end that's another. i really can't believe it can be
accurate by picking out 8 colors twice. personally i could have gotten
an accurate response from a handful of fortune cookies, and at least
then i would be able to eat something...


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"Modiano, Victor" wrote:

>
>
> And is Emeraldine going to share any of these new ways to use a glass
> cutter?
> After all isn't the purposes of Bungi sharing knowledge and learning
> new skills.
>
> Vic M.

This is a story I have pieced together from people who have known
Emeradine many years.  She just smiles when you ask her about it...she's
quite modest, you know.
Shortly after Emeraldine took to the road, during the time of the GREAT
Tin Shortage, the cathedral in Southwest Flats was having new windows
installed.  They were designed by Myrtlette Hogwhittle and are generally
know as the "Angles of the Sage".  Some critics claim that these windows
are a great example of post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism.
Others complain that they can't tell the porcupines from the angels.
I'm sure you've seen the pictures and read the relevant literature (it
sounds like Myrtlette may have had something to do with that 4 piggies
lamp.  I hear she's bad at math, too.)
Anyway, a small group of itinerant vitreous workers set up camp to
complete the project.  About halfway through, the wonderful Krynski
Master Cloggers came to town to do a show and they generaously offered
to perform for the cathedral workers.  It was during the justly renowned
kazoo number that Emeraldine decided to go get a drink.  (she thinks the
kazoo number is over rated, but you'll have to rent the tape and make
your own judgement.)  As she walked outside, she noticed furtive figures
trying at the locked door of the storage shed, the place the IVW had
stored its solder.  Sneaking nearer, she discovered three miscreants,
trying to break in.  They appeared to only armed with lockpicks, whereas
Emeraldine, in new found fervor, always carried her glass cutter and
grozing pliers in a tool belt at her waist.
It seemed the odds were about even, although Emeraldine did call for
help.  No one heard over the sound of the kazoos (and most of the
audience was enthralled.)
When intermission came, and the audience went out for a breath of fresh
air, they found Emeraldine standing over the three solder thieves.  One
was curled into a fetal position and quivering.  Another was bleeding
profusely from fine cuts on his arm.  The other, well, think grozing
pliers and leave it at theat.  The police were called and the criminals
were hauled away.
Because of the tin shortage, of course, there was no spare solder to be
found, so Emeraldine was considered quite a hero for saving the
project.  She was given a seat on stage for the rest of the
performance.  She did tell me that cloggers sweat ALOT, but she did find
the "Elves in the Meadow" number completely charming none the less.
You know, you don't need a license to carry a concealed glass cutter,
but effective usage does take practice.  And the cutting heads are never
quite the same.

I do want you to understand that Emeraldine is a charming, gentle woman,
but I wouldn't want to force her to fight.
Dorothy


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Suz: I bet it's Dalle de Verre--I've never seen it, but I read an article
recently about it in Glass Craftsman. Look at this web site for a little
info:

http://www.ihsstudios.com/faceted.html

Shari

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>I went to the funeral of a friend this morning.
>The church had gorgeous stained glass windows.  I have never seen a
>window like this before and dont know what it is called.
>
>The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
>chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
>some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
>
>They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked
>very 3 D.  Does anyone know what Im talking about?  What is this
>called?  Very unusual looking but very beautiful.
>
>Tulsa Suzanne
>--
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>
>                                       ----Harvey MacKay
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I've heard of it but had never seen it before.  It really is beautiful.

Suzanne

Dee Thompson wrote:
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> Dalle de verre?  thick slabs of glass that are chiseled and cemented.
> Dee
> 
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> >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
> >some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
>   What is this called?

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Dalle de verre?  thick slabs of glass that are chiseled and cemented.
Dee

>The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
>chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
>some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
  What is this called? 

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I recently purchased an Inlande Edgemaster Foiler for my wife. It came with 
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At 02:37 PM 6/11/99 -0500, Suzanne Gunn wrote:
>I went to the funeral of a friend this morning.
>The church had gorgeous stained glass windows.  I have never seen a
>window like this before and dont know what it is called.
>
>The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
>chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
>some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
>
>They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked
>very 3 D.  Does anyone know what Im talking about?  What is this
>called?  Very unusual looking but very beautiful.
>
>Tulsa Suzanne
>-- 


Sounds like dalle de verre to me.  It's cut by slamming it down on a
sharpened steel edge rather than with the glass cutter we use.   I just
read a book about it, but I can't remember the title.  I'll let you know if
it comes to me.

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In a message dated 6/11/99 5:02:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
gunnx4@ix.netcom.com writes:
<<  went to the funeral of a friend this morning.
 The church had gorgeous stained glass windows.  I have never seen a
 window like this before and dont know what it is called.
 
 The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
 chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
 some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
  >>This sounds like a slab glass window and yes they would grout it as a 
mosaic rather than using leading.  I went to an architectural salvage place 
last week and they had some great old chunks of slab glass which I would have 
loved, alas this is where it kinda stinks to be poor!
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>
>
> The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
> chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
> some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
>
> They were so vibrant, it was very decieving to the eyes...the looked
> very 3 D.  Does anyone know what Im talking about?  What is this
> called?  Very unusual looking but very beautiful.
>
> Tulsa Suzanne
> --
> Do what you love, love what you do, and deliver more than you promised.
>

Hi suz,

What you saw is called Slab glass or Dalle de verre or faceted glass. It is
a type of art glass the comes in 8" x 12" x 1" (all aprox) slabs or Dalles.
The glass is cut with a glass cutter then broken on an "anvil" which is a
round (2") steel bar set in a wedge of epoxy. After all of the basic
geometric pieces are rough cut on the anvil the finish cutting is done using
a hammer similar to a masons hammer. After this "rough cutting" process the
glass is laid out on the pattern and trimmed up to follow all indicated
epoxy lines. Once all pieces are cut to the artisans satisfaction selected
pieces are "faceted" or chipped along their edges to give the sparkling
effect that you mentioned. The cut glass is laid out on a pattern and aprox
1/2" of sand is sifted onto the framed out panel to fill the spaces between
the glass. ( The panel which is usually kept under 20 square feet is framed
out using wood cut to 1" tall by 1" or so wide then shellacked and waxed to
prevent sticking of the epoxy.) An epoxy slab glass compound is then poured
around the pieces. Just before the epoxy sets an aggregate of sand or other
crushed stone, roofing graduals, marble chips or similar material can be
sprinkled onto the tacky surface to give the panel texture. The panel is
then allowed to cure for at least 24 hours.  The panel is flipped and the
pouring process is repeated. This double pour method produces a panel from
7/8" to 1" thick. The epoxy is actually an amalgam of resin binder with
silica filler and when set gets a glass like finish if an aggregate is not
used. Some studios fabricated using variations on this method which employed
either wax paper or thin layer of sand to get a "single pour" panel. These
were usually thinner than double poured pieces and usually had one rough
and/or uneven side.

This technique had its roots in France where the original matrix used was
cement. When this process was first brought to the US the difference in
climatic conditions caused problems with the cement/glass combination. The
introduction of epoxy slab glass compound which has an expansion/contraction
coefficient similar to glass helped to solve these early problems.

These panels can form quite large and elaborate curtain walls as they can be
stacked atop of each other leaving no apparent seam. Many studios where
doing quite a volume of this type of art glass windows in the 70s and early
80s. For some reason they have fallen out of fashion and slab jobs are now
few and far between.

This media is actually very enjoyable to work in because it is a lot more
free flowing than tightly regimented leaded glass. The drawings are done
much more loosely with more latitude left to the discretion of the
craftsperson. A skilled and experienced artisan can do some quite amazing
stuff with a slab hammer ( and heavy gloves and safety glasses.) This is a
media which ties Art glass with sculpture in a very hands on way.

In an effort to cover two questions in one post:

To visitors to Chicago:

An amazing example of Dalle de verre work can be seen at Resurrection
Cemetery on route 171 just southwest of Chicago. This mausoleum is three
stories tall and has an incredible curtain wall wrapping the entire
building. Chicago and its surrounding suburbs are filled with art glass
treasures. Be sure to look in on the Chagal at the art museum. Second
Presbyterian Church on 18th and Michigan holds a breathtaking collection of
Tiffany and Lafarge windows. Fourth Pres. on Michigan and Chestnut along the
magnificent mile holds a wonderful collection of Connick Windows. While
downtown look in at Archbishop Quigley Seminary 103 East Chestnut St. The
windows in the Saint James Chapel  at Quigley, were modeled after the
windows at Charte's Cathedral. The rose window in St James Chapel is
currently undergoing a restoration by Botti Studio which will include total
re-leading of all of the panels. These panels were constructed using mostly
high heart leads and many sections were double and triple glazed. The glass
and lead work in these panels is truly amazing. A display in the back of the
chapel brings the panels down for public view and gives an opportunity to
view up close the complexity of craft work involved in these windows .

Another church worth seeing is Old St. Patrick's at 718 West Adams at
Dearbourn. The windows in this church were  designed and fabricated by
O'Shaughnessy studio in 1921 and are a prime example of the melding of
leaded and foiled techniques in a large scale project. The Windows and
indeed the interior painting of the church offers some of the finest Celtic
art in the city. While downtown also look in at the Chicago Cultural Center
Preston Bradley hall at 78 East Washington and look at the Tiffany art glass
dome.

Depending on when you intend to visit, the studio I work with, Botti Studio,
is currently working on an exhibit going into Navy Pier. The Smith Museum of
art glass will hold over 180 light boxes and will also include Large art
glass windows rescued from local churches scheduled for demolition. The
Exhibit is scheduled to be installed starting in November of 1999 and will
include multiple galleries featuring Victorian, Prairie style, Modern,
Religious and High Religious art glass  windows. Some of the finest examples
of the art and craft will be on display in one location. If you are coming
into the city earlier you can see some of Mr. Smiths wonderful collection at
the international terminal of Chicago's O'hare airport.

Of course this is only the tiniest smattering of what you can see while
visiting the city. If you are on Michigan Avenue try stopping in at the AIA
storefront near the Art Institute. They have a number of books and maps
delineating architectural walking tours of the city. I think you would be
able to find info an some of the great Art glass on display here. Look for a
book entitled " Chicago Stained Glass" which documents many of the fine
examples of the art in the local city churches and public buildings.

Enjoy your visit.

ms

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I have this foiler too.   The best thing it does is strip the paper
backing off the foil.  I never did get it to work with the guides down in
the front...rips the foil every time especially when turning a corner.
Just flip them up out of the way.  After using it for awhile I did get
use to it and still use it.  The "tracks" in the different sized wheels
do help keep your glass piece centered too.

Karen


>I recently purchased an Inlande Edgemaster Foiler for my wife. It came
with
>no instructions except a picture of the set up on the box. I thought I
was
>helping but I guess not....she is getting so frustrated with it, I may
soon
>be in the dog house. Can anyone out there give me help, sympathy, or
both?
>
>I eagerly await a miracle.
>
>Thanks
>
>L. J. Pittman
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Thanks so much for all the detail, Michael.  Im going to call the church
and see if I cant get some info on who made these.  Im hoping they are
local..if they still do it, I'd *love* to watch sometime.  

I wasnt kidding when I said it *almost* hurt my eyes to look at the
window closest too me.  The colors were so rich and vibrant...and the
brights, particularly the red really jumped out...it's the kind of thing
that makes me blink alot. ;o)

I'd sure like to get ahold of some of that glass.  I've always loved
glass bricks for walls.  

If my eyes could handle it, I think the dalle de verre would be great
for a shower enclosure.  

Seems I had red that this glass is difficult to get.  Is that true?
Im so glad I got to see these windows.  Im going back with my camera. 

One of my friends that sat a few rows behind me at the funeral teased me
about paying closer attention to all the glass than to the preacher.

T Suz
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Have broke myself of this nasty habit in the glass shop ...knock on
wood...Often when in need of a third hand I would hold something in my
mouth...frequently a used flux brush.

Karen




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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:36:27 -0700
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>From what I have read, it is epoxy with sand mixed in to it for the texture
in many panels done in this manner. I have seen a site where they show a
panel being made, they used a hammer and chisel to cut the glass chunks,,,
;-)

http://www.haegerstainedglass.com/Dalle%20de%20verre.htm

http://www.ihsstudios.com/faceted.html

http://www.powellbrosglassart.com/faceted.html

http://www.hiline.net/~glass/dallede1.htm

Sincerely,
Bud Britt

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> I've heard of it but had never seen it before.  It really is beautiful.
>
> Suzanne
>
> Dee Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Dalle de verre?  thick slabs of glass that are chiseled and cemented.
> > Dee
> >
> > >The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
> > >chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it
together..maybe
> > >some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.
> >   What is this called?
>
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>>Sounds like dalle de verre to me.  It's cut by slamming it down on a
sharpened steel edge rather than with the glass cutter we use.   I just
read a book about it, but I can't remember the title.  I'll let you know if
it comes to me.

Steve <<

Here is the way taught to me by an artist that has made several hundred of
these windows over the past 40 years.

1. Score the dalle on the smooth side with a common glass cutter,
2. Turn dalle over and place on a lead block and place a one inch cold
chisel in alignment with the score and in the middle,
3. Strike the cold chisel a moderate blow with a one pound hammer. Glass MAY
break with a very clean vertical edge.

With a bit of practice the glass breaks cleanly over 90% of the time. Curves
do not work well and breaking off less than an inch has a poor chance.

A carbide water cooled tile saw may be used to cut the glass but it is slow
and no fun. For curves turn the glass in its side and make cuts to the curve
about 1/2" apart and break off the resulting slivers.

To facet the edge a light 3/8" carbide tipped chipping hammer works well.
Light blows are administrated from the cut edge. With practice the work goes
quickly and is rather predictable. Curved pieces may be shaped with the
chipping hammer.

Warning: About the worst cut I have ever received was when faceting and my
hammer hand came down on a large chip on the work surface. I now use a
raised lead block to chip glass on. Keeps my hand off the bench and cushons
the glass.

Epoxy is most generaly used to join the pieces and colored sand is used on
the weather surface. The sand is sprinkled between the cut pieces before the
epoxy is poured, something like a stepping stone. Weight is perhaps six
pounds per square foot depending on the glass to epoxy ratio.
.................. Bob


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http://www.riogrande.com/index.htm

Great place, and they will send you all three of their catalogs for free.
Everything that you could ever want to make stuff in jewelry, glass,
casting, findings, polishing, you name it, they most likely do it.

Sincerely,
Bud Britt

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>
> Can someone tell me where to find a good assortment of glass jewels &
> findings for boxes?
> TIA
> Paula
>
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A good example in UK is Buckfast Abbey in Devon.
They have a website at http://www.buckfast.org.uk
This abbey was built this century just by the monks and is a splendid place
to visit if you are in the West Country.  There is a page showing the
construction of dalles de verre windows.  Father Charles (now 89 I believe)
is still at work in the studio making stained glass windows in lead as well
as D-d-V. 
We actually own two windows made by the monks in 1935 for a convent locally.
When the biulding (formerley a large family house) became redundant and was
being redeveloped as a conference centre we heard from a customer that the
workmen were knocking out the stained glass and Sam hurried over to see what
coould be salvaged.  The workers had already taken out the traditional
stained glass (of which we later had a commission to refurbish and install
in a private house) and had literally knocked the dalles windows out of the
frames.
For a certain sum they were happy to let Sam collect all he could find from
the ground around which he bore triumphantly home.  He has been able to
reconstruct two 6 foot high crosses which he made in four sections as they
are so heavy.  A photo of one of these can be seen at
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk/dallesx.jpg.  Luckily as the glass chunks are
so thick none of them had worse injuries than a few extra facets added by
the workmen's sledge hammers, so the glass is original.
EliZabeth in Bournemouth
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk

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Smart thing to do Christie.... sad but true... be safe make the email
terrorists sorry.

Alan

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> Message text written by "Bungi Buddies"
> >A Digital Postcard is waiting for you at our virtual post office!
>
> Yes, you can trust your eyes!
> Bungi Buddies sent you a free Digital Postcard.<
>
> I received this in my emailbox today.  I am deleting it.  I don't
> know who sent it to me, and the return email address was
> a made-up email address, so I'm very suspicious.  I always
> delete emails from folk I don't know, especially in light of
> the Melissa virus and the new email worm going around.
> So, if you are the person who sent me this...sorry, but just
> pick up the telephone or send me a real email or send me
> a real postcard.
>
> Christie Wood
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Shari,

        This is a good reminder to all of us that no loose things should
be used near rotating machinery.  -- EVER
        I would add that I think gloves while grinding is loose material
waiting to get caught.  I'd use finger protectors, such as those used by
bank tellers to help count money.  They work well.  I don't use them
much though, as I find bare fingers better.

Steve

In message <1999Jun11.22554.0@?>, Shari Higbee
<shigbee@stmassociates.com> writes
>I try to remember to wear the latex gloves--especially when grinding. That's
>when I really eat up my fingers. (My husband does construction work and my
>hands are rougher than his...) But my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my
>finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps
>it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is
>attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not
>turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is not
>a good thing to do to motors.
>
>I agree with ... was it Dorothy?... it's time I focus on safety issues again
>for awhile! Either that or just quit doing glass in my sleep. :-)
>Shari
>
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I am trying to locate the where abouts of Mary Mead who at one time was a 
stained glass supplier. Her husband passed away and she may have kept the 
business. Unfortunately I don't know what state, and don't have much to go 
on. Any help most appreciated!
Thanks,
Sue Reitmann ( Mpls.MN)

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I love mine.  It took some gettin used to, but after that I foil ten times
faster.

Bob

Karen wrote:

> I have this foiler too.   The best thing it does is strip the paper
> backing off the foil.  I never did get it to work with the guides down in
> the front...rips the foil every time especially when turning a corner.
> Just flip them up out of the way.  After using it for awhile I did get
> use to it and still use it.  The "tracks" in the different sized wheels
> do help keep your glass piece centered too.
>
> Karen
>
> >I recently purchased an Inlande Edgemaster Foiler for my wife. It came
> with
> >no instructions except a picture of the set up on the box. I thought I
> was
> >helping but I guess not....she is getting so frustrated with it, I may
> soon
> >be in the dog house. Can anyone out there give me help, sympathy, or
> both?
> >
> >I eagerly await a miracle.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >L. J. Pittman
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Are you a collection agency?  If you were a friend think you would already
know how to find them.  Are you a relative, police, a person just wanting to
buy their excess glass?  A post like yours strikes me as suspicious.  If
would have been nice if your post was a little more personalable.  Don't
know the folks of which you speak.
Linda Jo

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>I am trying to locate the where abouts of Mary Mead who at one time was a
>stained glass supplier. Her husband passed away and she may have kept the
>business. Unfortunately I don't know what state, and don't have much to go
>on. Any help most appreciated!
>Thanks,
>Sue Reitmann ( Mpls.MN)
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In a message dated 6/13/99 3:09:25 AM, rejones@netrax.net writes:

>I love mine.  It took some gettin used to, but after that I foil ten times
>faster.

I second the "took some getting used to." I cussed and fussed at Christie's 
Glastar foiler for months before SUDDENLY getting the hang of it (which 
caused her to laugh hysterically, bless her perverse heart). I bought one for 
myself immediately, and literally "don't leave home without it" (it lives in 
my tool bucket when not in use).

So, a word to L.J. Pittman's missus: Keep trying. It may take a while, but if 
I had any money (which I don't), I'd be willing to bet that eventually you 
won't know how you lived without the gizmo!


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In a message dated 6/11/99 12:51:45 PM, shigbee@stmassociates.com writes:

>my new "dumb thing" to do is to catch my
>finger on the grinder and the little 1/4" head catches the glove and wraps
>it around the head about 1000 times in 2 seconds. At this point, my hand is
>attached to the grinder, and the motor's running but the grinder's not
>turning since it's all fouled up with the glove... I'm guessing this is
>not a good thing to do to motors.

YIKES! Not a good thing to do to *fingers* either! While it's not likely, you 
could conceivably sprain or break a finger doing that, or get a nasty shock 
if the motor overloads and blows up on you.

Never, *ever* let anything that's "loose" but attached to you - hair, 
clothing, ends of gloves, you name it - get anywhere *near* ANY power tool or 
operating machinery, no matter *how* "low power" you think it is. You're 
asking for disaster.

If you feel you've just *gotta* protect your fingers, Band-Aids and 
waterproof adhesive tape are a lot safer. Make sure you get the real Johnson 
& Johnson adhesive tape though - the generic stuff doesn't stick as well (she 
said, speaking from experience of having on occasion preserved my fingers 
through several lo-o-o-o-ong days in a row of grinding, such as during the 
infamous Children's Hospital mosaic project).

Or try those grinder tongs. They're kind of expensive and I haven't tried 
them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative.

But rubber gloves? No way!


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In a message dated 6/11/99 2:37:01 PM, vmodiano@ctronsoft.com writes:

>And is Emeraldine going to share any of these new ways to use a glass
>cutter?
>After all isn't the purposes of Bungi sharing knowledge and learning new
>skills.

I think you'll have to go to alt.sex.kinky.glass for that ;-)


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Well Sparks, et al.

My students are always perplexed when I ask them - early on - to add 
to their tool-kit either a pastry brush or a soft medium-broad paint 
brush.
Now you know WHY!!

Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who are both wondering about your arrival in 
UK in JULY!!!!??? DETAILS PLEASE!!) If you DO NOT very soon , I will 
broadcast your REAL name to all in BUNGI.
HOWZAT for a threat and incentive!!  ;-x
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Sparks wrote: 
> In a message dated 6/11/99 12:28:33 AM, wmh@scci.net writes:
> 
> >When I went to get the slivers off, I used a washcloth
> >and ended up with the most interesting complextion.
> 
> One day a couple of years ago, I'd been grinding glass all day and my 
> well-meaning sweetie picked up a towel and went to wipe my thoroughly sparkly 
> face, and I shrieked and jumped back a foot and nearly scared the daylights 
> out of him. It hadn't occurred to him that he could (1) do a real sandpaper 
> job on my face or (2) flip a piece of grit into my eye or (3) both of the 
> above!
> 
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Honestly Dorothy!!!
I ask you!!!

....."Post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism"   ........

Honestly!!

Shame on you!    ;->
Pierre would   N E V E R  say something like THAT!!!!
Toby -  tottering towards total trauma when told total tosh    (in 
United Kingdom) 'n Elisabeth - as an afterthought......

Dorothy wrote:
 Some critics claim that these windows
> are a great example of post-modernist apres-cubist expressionism.
> Others complain that they can't tell the porcupines from the angels.
>> 
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Message text written by Steve Wernecke
>Sounds like dalle de verre to me.  It's cut by slamming it down on a
sharpened steel edge rather than with the glass cutter we use.   I just
read a book about it, but I can't remember the title.  I'll let you know =
if
it comes to me.<

There is a good, long chapter on it in the book "The
Technique of Stained Glass" by Patrick Reyntiens.

Christie Wood
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Message text written by Suzanne Gunn
>The glass was at least an inch (maybe thicker) thick...it was
chipped/chiseled..and I couldnt tell what was keeping it together..maybe
some kind of grout?  What ever it was, it wasnt lead came.<

It was Dalle-de-verre also called slab glass.  This is thick slabs
of cast glass which is then broken into workable smaller pieces
by hammering it over an anvil.  The dalle-de-verre glass pieces
are then set into an epoxy resin to hold them.  The whole thing
is massive and rich in deep colors.

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Dear Linda Jo Letcher and other  new-bies and new-er Bunginians,

Sue Reitman has been with "us" for a number of years now. Early on, 
she contributed to Bungi quite a lot. She does "lurk" a bit more 
these days. We also have the pleasure of the presence of her niece - 
Tracy Reitman - on Bungi (both of them beavering away on stained 
glass ). So,  us "early folk" can vouch that there is nothing 
"suspicious" in the request.  Sue, I believe, is located in a bit 
more remote area and probably would like to  track down excess glass.
I have a feeling that both Sue and Tracy filed their Bios with 
Patrick...... If you have filed 'em all in a 
separate Bungi Bio file, you could  quickly scan through through the 
file or ask our infamous Mr. O'Tutu (Patrick Kelly).

Which reminds me.........WHAT?!   N O  BIOS this week-end!!!?
No wonder The Hound From Hell is salivating!!!!
DO remember Mr. O'Tutu; Passport for Hounds is only an eye-wink 
away!!  The Keeper of The Hound From Hell is only SEVEN weeks away!!
There will be NO escape!! Your Refugee Visa Application  to France - 
I'm told - has been denied. The French Ministry of Culture put in a 
very vociferous objection to your application for a Visa. They felt 
it would lower the tone of French Culture by allowing in a strange 
Irish off-spring in America, partly dressed in a funny white coat 
with  pretty brown leather  straps that buckle up at the back and,  
partly in a stained glass Tutu. If the Department of Mental Health 
agreed to a change in colour of the fetching white coat from white to 
saffron, you might possible try to apply for a visa to the Himalayas. 
Except - my scouts tell me,  there is about a 5 year waiting list. I 
am also told that it's very cold and the s.g. tutu might suffer.....

Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Linda Jo Letcher wrote:
> Are you a collection agency?  If you were a friend think you would already
> know how to find them.  Are you a relative, police, a person just wanting to
> buy their excess glass?  A post like yours strikes me as suspicious.  If
> would have been nice if your post was a little more personalable.  Don't
> know the folks of which you speak.

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Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/13/99 3:09:25 AM, rejones@netrax.net writes:
>
> >I love mine.  It took some gettin used to, but after that I foil ten times
> >faster.
>
> I second the "took some getting used to." I cussed and fussed at Christie's
> Glastar foiler for months before SUDDENLY getting the hang of it (which
> caused her to laugh hysterically, bless her perverse heart). I bought one for
> myself immediately, and literally "don't leave home without it" (it lives in
> my tool bucket when not in use).
>
> So, a word to L.J. Pittman's missus: Keep trying. It may take a while, but if
> I had any money (which I don't), I'd be willing to bet that eventually you
> won't know how you lived without the gizmo!
>
> Sparks
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I'm using the Hoevel...............


Sort of mid to high end.........works great for me....


Daniel in Oregon

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Hi,
I've tried the grinder tongs - don't waste your money.  I use them only when 
I have the tiniest piece that there's no way I can hold onto it - and the 
piece still flies out of the tongs  never to be found again.  IMHO, of course.
 
Brenda
 
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  them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative. >> >>
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Hi,
I've tried the grinder tongs - don't waste your money.  I use them only when 
I have the tiniest piece that there's no way I can hold onto it - and the 
piece still flies out of the tongs  never to be found again.  IMHO, of course.
 
Brenda
 
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  them myself, but they look like a reasonable alternative. >> >>
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