From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 01:15:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: , "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: side lights Date: Wed, 1 Jul 98 01:06:06 -0400 Message-ID: <199807010509.BAA24591@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk >Okay Yall, > I have been asked to do a couple of side lights. The size is 9" x 68". She >just wants a simple design, but lots of colors. I figure this is 4.25 sq, >feet. I'd planned on charging $45. a sq. ft. (That's $191.00 for each one). >Is that too high? > > Also, I'm thinking I can't get too much design in such a narrow panel. I'm >open for suggestions. I'll do them in copperfoil. I guess I should use >reinforcement? Hi Susan, I think $45/sq. ft. is too low. How about $50/sq. ft. plus $1.50 per piece. That price is still quite reasonable. Yes, you should use reinforcement, so design it so a piece of restrip can wind all the way from top to bottom, and I'd put zinc around the whole thing for sure, probably 3/8". Hopefully on installation you could cover the zinc with some molding. Or - you could make it in three different sections if your design allows and join the sections together between two horizontal pieces of H-zinc, spaced a third of the way down for each section and have them solder right to the zinc surrounding the piece. That would strengthen it quite a bit. Be careful transporting it! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 02:06:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: removing silvering from mirrors Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:36:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.9362.0> Precedence: bulk One of the methods that I have used in the past is the chemical Ferric Chloride. This was on the surfaces of telescope mirrors that I have made. This is usually used in the making of printed circuit boards for the electronics industry. It can be bought from hobbyist electronics stores as a yellow powder that you dissolve in water. Again you have to strip off any covering over the aluminium depsited on the glass but it etches surfaces off very fast. It is quite safe, in the uk they add it to the water supply here to make the water sparkle. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 05:05:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!vlg From: "Vic LaGreca" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: side lights/price fixing Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <19980701102408.BPFK23521@vic> Precedence: bulk Although my re is meant tongue in cheek, it is interesting to me how openly pricing is discussed here and at other sites on the net. My profession is one where the slightest reference to specific pricing, amongst proteges, can cost you your license and perhaps some "time". At what point does "suggestions" become collusion and/or conspiracy? Ciao Vic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 07:07:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: side lights/price fixing Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:43:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199807011353.JAA03032@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > At what point does "suggestions" become collusion and/or conspiracy? When enough money or customers are involved. So far, the art glass world isn't large enough for that to pertain, alas, since there are studio practitioners who should be in jail for what they do to windows and clients. At this point, the stained glass world isn't even as large as the home repair industry, which is now monitored and licensed by most states. The glass world is a mere mote in the eye, an iota of information, an atom of concern to legislators and law enforcement, so studios can pretty much get away with whatever they want to do. Collusion exists, as does conspiracy, but on such a small scale as to make no nevermind. When clients sue studios and practitioners who *should be sued (put out of business, by my way of thinking), usually those individuals and studios are savvy enough to have a lawyer in hand who makes sure that a nondisclosure clause goes into any settlement agreement, so neither the client nor the person or company that's been sued is allowed to talk about it. That way, the client's satisfied, has been refunded at least part of what they paid for shoddy workmanship or damage to their windows, but they can never comment on the fact that they were unhappy with the work nor that the work was second-rate (third-rate), that they sued and settled ... nothing. That way the perps can just go right on doing their damage. When the glass world grows to be as large as roofers, driveway pavers, landscape maintenance companies, etc., then it'll be big enough to warrent the attention of licensing agencies and legal departments of states and municipalities. But nobody on bungi is really colluding or conspiring; they're merely trading information about pricing. If all the stained glass shops in a single city or state got together and said, okay, we're all going to charge $500/square foot for our work, thus forcing clients to pay that, they would be colluding and conspiring. For them to merely say, you should charge enough to make a profit and stay in business, all they're passing along is sound business advice. A company has to make a profit or it'll die. If it dies, it can no longer provide the after-sale support that any business should, nor can it continue to support those who operate it, nor its employees. Since the so-called industry is so small, however, even if all the art glass shops in a single state got together to collude on a $500/square foot price, all that would happen is they'd all go out of business together, since glass is a luxury, not a necessity, and clients would merely not buy any. My 2c worth. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 07:36:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bio #30 Shakeel Abedi Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807011317.GAA05158@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Dear Shakeel, Great bio! Really had a very nice chuckle on the copper foil learning, I could see you now (back then!) trying to figure things out:) Good for you! Mike's site is fabulous, great for learning. God Bless and Happy Cutting! Smiles, Cindy >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 08:34:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: re: lead hazards Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:56:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul1.135619.0> Precedence: bulk I do have to input a little, as I am now 10 weeks pregnant. Our business is a family one, so my mother did stained glass all through her pregnancies with myself and my younger sister. The key is being very careful. Certainly, if you are a hobbyist, I recommend using lead free solder, but in a business that is not always possible. I have my lead levels checked every month, as she did. (Still registering VERY low). My doctor says as long as we keep monitoring, it shouldn't be a problem. I use rubber gloves on all work that I am doing anywhere near lead or chemicals while I am pregnant, and I have installed a heavy duty air filter in my workroom which removes all of the fumes. Yes, it is a safety hazard worth strong consideration, and yes, if you are a hobbyist and your livelihood doesn't depend on it by all means switch to lead free solder. But, with proper and careful monitoring of your blood lead levels and safe and practical use of the lead, you don't have to close your business for nine months when you get pregnant. Just my two cents. Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 09:02:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: side lights/price fixing Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 10:45:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.6450.0> References: <<199807011353.JAA03032@vger.vgernet.net>> Precedence: bulk Hi Albert! I thought your answer was very well put and right on. I heartily agree! Nadine > > At what point does "suggestions" become collusion and/or > conspiracy? > > When enough money or customers are involved. So far, the art glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 09:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:21:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: side lights Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:18:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.71857.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:CWWSLW@aol.com >Okay Yall, I have been asked to do a couple of side lights. The size is 9" x 68". S= he just wants a simple design, but lots of colors. I figure this is 4.25 sq,= feet. I'd planned on charging $45. a sq. ft. (That's $191.00 for each one). Is that too high?> Nope. Not too much. In fact, I would charge more. < Also, I'm thinking I can't get too much design in such a narrow panel. I'm open for suggestions. I'll do them in copperfoil. I guess I should use reinforcement?> You can do quite a bit of fun design in that narrow a space. Don't think in just straight horizontal & straight vertical lines. Try diagonal lines. Mix in jewels & nuggets. Mix in some interesting curved lines. Now play with the colors. I did a restoration of a couple of old church windows (very narrow like a sidelight) that had mixed-up diagonal lines combined with faceted jewels, all with a beautiful mix of bright colors. The faceted jewels were aqua, pink, gold, royal blue, red. It's lovely. As to reinforcement...absolutely necessary! Use Strong-Line (copper-clad stainless steel) or Re-Strip. Run it horizontally in quite a few places. You must also frame the sidelight in some sort of metal border, such as zinc. Have fun! Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 13:03:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: lead hazards Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:42:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199807011952.PAA20476@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Yes, it is a safety hazard worth strong consideration, and yes, if you are a > hobbyist and your livelihood doesn't depend on it by all means switch to lead > free solder. But, with proper and careful monitoring of your blood lead > levels and safe and practical use of the lead, you don't have to close your > business for nine months when you get pregnant. Thanks for your nice, calm input, Jenna. Personally, I think you're right, that care and constant monitoring are called for. It's surprising, though, the number of people in the stained glass world who still deny that lead is a problem at all. I remember years ago, when I first started making mention of lead hazards and steps one could take regarding safety and monitoring, I got calls from manufacturers and old-line studios excoriating me for mentioning it at all. They just wanted to sell product and the customers could just look out for themselves. Even the venerable Stained Glass Association for a long time denied there was any problem, chewed out one of their studio members for testifying to Congress about lead in stained glass studios, even though all he was doing was saying what steps his studio had taken to make sure its employees were faced with a little hazard as possible. Oh, well. Now the SGAA is fully on the bandwagon with regard to lead safety precautions, which is certainly an improvement. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 16:57:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: "Northernlights (Tracy Reitmann)" To: CWWSLW@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: side lights Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 14:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.95151.0> References: <<1998Jul1.3431.0>> Precedence: bulk > can't get too much design in such a narrow panel. I'm open for suggestions.> > I don't know what style house she has, but have you looked at some of the > designs Frank Lloyd Wright did??? I think in some cases he used quite a bit > of color and managed to get quite a bit of design in a small space. Another > thing you might want to think of is whatever design you use, maybe you could > make it continue from one sidelight to the other....the door breaking up the > pattern but it continues on the other side. Just a thought. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 17:14:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Varying glass thickness Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:05:33 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul1.20533.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All: I am making 2 windows, 16"X22", each with roughly 120 foiled pieces, in a Tiffany style landscape. I have used a number of types of glass which range in thickness from roughly 7/64" to 10/64". If I now solder these pieces together while they rest on a flat base, the various thicknesses will be visible. Is this a problem, and if so, does anyone have an idea how to rectify it? Or is it better not to create this problem in the first place? Thanks. Ken (Mike) Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 19:44:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Varying glass thickness Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:16:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.11168.0> Precedence: bulk Use the differences in thickness to add a bit of dimension to the window.....even tip some up a bit more to effect a shadow. Bring another piece over the lower one (modified plating) in places. USE care when flipping it, as it will not lie flat on the other side. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 20:05:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Klmxklm@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Varying glass thickness Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.171415.0> References: <<1998Jul1.20533.0>> Precedence: bulk Klmxklm@aol.com wrote: > > Hi All: > I am making 2 windows, 16"X22", each with roughly 120 foiled pieces, in a > Tiffany style landscape. I have used a number of types of glass which range in > thickness from roughly 7/64" to 10/64". If I now solder these pieces together > while they rest on a flat base, the various thicknesses will be visible. Is > this a problem, and if so, does anyone have an idea how to rectify it? Or is > it better not to create this problem in the first place? Thanks. > > Ken (Mike) Mikolajczak > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass are you by any chance a machist? i never heard anyone descibe glass down to the 64th... :) the glass thickness is'nt a problem. solder helps keep everything level looking. just imagine the varying thicknesses in drapery glass... if it were came, it may be a little more difficult... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 20:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Varying glass thickness Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 21:23:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.172327.0> References: <<1998Jul1.20533.0>> Precedence: bulk If you put the front side down and solder the back first, then no one will know that you have different sizes of glass (unless they sneak in and look behind somehow, etc. (and they're probably looking in your medicine chest, too!) Then again, the unevenness could make the piece more interesting. Lay it out and look at it closely. Only you can decide! I'd much rather use the right color and texture than worry about the thickness. Dorothy K Klmxklm@aol.com wrote: > Hi All: > I am making 2 windows, 16"X22", each with roughly 120 foiled pieces, in a > Tiffany style landscape. I have used a number of types of glass which range in > thickness from roughly 7/64" to 10/64". If I now solder these pieces together > while they rest on a flat base, the various thicknesses will be visible. Is > this a problem, and if so, does anyone have an idea how to rectify it? Or is > it better not to create this problem in the first place? Thanks. > > Ken (Mike) Mikolajczak > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 1 20:54:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: My poppy is up. Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul1.175111.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, I finally have a picture of the poppy up on my page. This was the one from SGN that many of you gave me advice about framing and hanging, and then there was the dreaded Restrip (I won't even go into that.)..... I don't have the specifics up on the page, but it measures 15"w x 17 1/2"h. I fused the center piece using clear stringer and black and brown frit on clear glass. I also fused the background pieces using frit, confetti, and stringer. If you want to see it: www.mindspring.com/~roey It's on the "panels" page. Jerri _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 00:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Varying width of glass Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 02:05:19 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul2.6519.0> Precedence: bulk You may also use some coins such as nickels and quarters to hold the pieces to the correct level. I have done as Mr. Weaver said, used the differences as a method of plating with many coins stacked under some pieces and none under others etc. You get the idea,also can use clear plate glass for plating to give some depth to the glass.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 03:00:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Flameworking Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:51:20 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul3.05120.0> Precedence: bulk Hi folks, As all of you would be aware by now, my knowledge about stained glass is very limited. I sometimes ask very basic and silly questions. Having done some panel lamps, and now half way though the Tiffany style (dafodil - on a Worden mold) I have come across references to flameworking. What exactly is flameworking. Is that technique used for making lampshades? Any books? Or sites that have more information on. Buying a kiln is presently not in my scheme of things, costs a ton here. But a torch does not seem too forbiding. Thanks. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 03:31:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: what happened to the TOPIC OF THE WEEK ? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:55:18 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul3.05518.0> Precedence: bulk Some time back some had mooted the idea of having a topic of the week. Wonder what has happened to that wonderful idea. Was it further discussed, then I must have missed it. Please fill me in some one? If it petered out, perhaps we should bring it back, What do say Albert, Mike, Shirley, Elesabeth, Patrick, and all the others. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 05:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: what happened to the TOPIC OF THE WEEK ? Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:03:23 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul2.11323.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/2/98 6:35:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shakeel@tm.net.my writes: << Some time back some had mooted the idea of having a topic of the week. Wonder what has happened to that wonderful idea. Was it further discussed, then I must have missed it. Please fill me in some one? >> I'm new so don't know about the past discussion, but I think it's a great idea! Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 05:43:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 04:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: jroey@juno.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: My poppy is up. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:07:35 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul2.11735.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/1/98 11:55:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jroey@juno.com writes: << Hi all, I finally have a picture of the poppy up on my page. This was the one from SGN that many of you gave me advice about framing and hanging, and then there was the dreaded Restrip (I won't even go into that.)..... I don't have the specifics up on the page, but it measures 15"w x 17 1/2"h. I fused the center piece using clear stringer and black and brown frit on clear glass. I also fused the background pieces using frit, confetti, and stringer. If you want to see it: www.mindspring.com/~roey It's on the "panels" page. >> It's beautiful! Looks like it's leaping right off the panel. Your entire website (and your husband's as well) is very interesting and professional. Great work! Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 07:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Flameworking and kilns Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:38:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199807021449.KAA07066@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Having done some panel lamps, and now half way though the Tiffany style > (dafodil - on a Worden mold) I have come across references to flameworking. > What exactly is flameworking. Is that technique used for making lampshades? Nope, although some lampshades are made by glassblowers, notably the "Puffies." But that's on-the-pipe glassblowing. For a hotbed of lampworking people, advice and stuff, go to http://www.hotglass.com/ and click on Glass Line's Bulletin Board that's down the page a bit in blue type. You'll find a ton of stuff there about flameworking, which is also called "lampworking." > Any books? Or sites that have more information on. There are twelve books listed in the Guild's online library at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ But you can also use the search tool at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga Just type in the word "lampworking" or "flameworking" (or both) to get a list of books available from Amazon.com online . > Buying a kiln is presently not in my scheme of things, costs a ton here. But > a torch does not seem too forbiding. I dunno. You might get in touch with Marty Daily at Centre de Verre. He sells lots of kilns overseas and just might be able to provide one to you at a reasonable cost: Marty Daily Centre De Verre 18 Bartlett Street Allenstown NH 03275 - Phone: ( 603 ) 485 - 8749 Fax: (603) 485-8344 Email: hotglass4u@aol.com Good luck with all this! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 08:20:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:58:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: My poppy is up. Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 06:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807021357.GAA27043@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Jerri, Great stuff!!! Loved your poppy (loved it all) Fabulous glass painting! Can I come for lessons? And Snoopy the mosaic is to die for! Great site, really enjoyed the visit. Thanks, Cindy > >Hi all, > I finally have a picture of the poppy up on my page. This was >the one from SGN that many of you gave me advice about framing and >hanging, and then there was the dreaded Restrip (I won't even go into >that.)..... I don't have the specifics up on the page, but it measures >15"w x 17 1/2"h. I fused the center piece using clear stringer and >black and brown frit on clear glass. I also fused the background pieces >using frit, confetti, and stringer. > > If you want to see it: > > www.mindspring.com/~roey > > It's on the "panels" page. > >Jerri > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 09:23:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: topic of the week Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:13:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul2.11339.0> Precedence: bulk Just a friendly reminder of a suggestion which may not be implemented, Be nice to put in the subject line: Non glass: (put topic here) makes the inbox helper feel wanted and useful. thanks, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 12:35:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Howard and Elaine Rubin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:31:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul2.93148.0> References: <<1998Jul2.11339.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Yes, topic of the week is a good idea, IMHO, must have missed the suggestion before. Since I'm doing my first fusing With my little Paragon Quick Fire Kiln-(it is on soak right now). May I suggest the thread- Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? There are two or three brands, all somewhat similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 minutes. So Here goes, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > Just a friendly reminder of a suggestion which may not be implemented, > > Be nice to put in the subject line: Non glass: (put topic here) > > makes the inbox helper feel wanted and useful. > > thanks, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 13:00:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:45:14 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul2.94514.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I'm just doing my first project with my new Quick Fire Kiln. I'm making matching earrings, with slab pendant bead, matching. Dichroic Glass with Clear over it. COE 90, Uroboros glass. They are in the 'soak' cycle rignt now. Now down to the annealing cycle(can't peek) until it cools to room temp. Just to start a Weekly topic :-)))), Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Happy with new toy---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 14:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0C6A90ED062924B69F20D281" Subject: [Fwd: Progressive art] Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:26:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul2.62613.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0C6A90ED062924B69F20D281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I received this in the mail from a gentleman in Japan. I don't want you to pay attention to the request for financial backing, of which I believe he wants. But I'm interested in this hot glass technique he is doing. If anyone cares to take a look and give us all some input on this than that would be great. I found it very beautiful and quite interesting. Thanks Pam --------------0C6A90ED062924B69F20D281 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from geocities.com (mail3.geocities.com [209.1.224.23]) by mailhub.pacifier.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09073 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.Japan-Net.ne.jp (mx.Japan-Net.ne.jp [202.229.105.7]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19428 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JAPAN-NET (PPP045.hmt.Japan-Net.ne.jp [210.136.186.80]) by mx.Japan-Net.ne.jp (8.9.0+3.0W/3.6W-98062404) with SMTP id EAA10589 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:29:55 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <359C446D.422B@japan-net.or.jp> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:39:41 -0700 From: Fumio Nishiyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01I [ja] (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: moswood@geocities.com Subject: Progressive art Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------24E3C3205" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------24E3C3205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sirs I invented the art of the very beautiful illumination which used a cracked glass balls. This beauty is found neither in Japan nor in World. Using this, the beauty like a dreamland can be created. I am looking for a company which commercializes this technique. And, I am looking for a broker and an agent. This technique can be variously used from a small accessories to a building. (ATTACHED PHOTO is one of the SAMPLERS : 2638bytes) This invention became a newspaper stories of an influential newspaper in Japan of at least four newspapers. There are a lot of photos, graphics, drawings in my home page. Please come visit me. (feast one's eyes) http://www.japan-net.or.jp/~fumio/fantasy2.html Sincerely yours. 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charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------0C6A90ED062924B69F20D281-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 15:47:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, leestat7@home.com Subject: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:23:51, -0500 Message-ID: <199807022123.RAA16930@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I'm just doing my first project with my new Quick Fire Kiln. I'm making matching earrings, with slab pendant bead, matching. Dichroic Glass with Clear over it. COE 90, Uroboros glass. They are in the 'soak' cycle rignt now. Now down to the annealing cycle(can't peek) until it cools to room temp. Just to start a Weekly topic :-)))), Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Happy with new toy----<< I have a couple of Quick Fire Kilns. If I was into jewlery it would be nice to have about four kilns to do production. Have other kilns should this be desirable. I like the QFs because they are quick and do not use a lot of electricity. Took my 1/4" drill and drilled a hole through the fiber muffle at the rounded seam between the top and front. Hole lines up with the center of the bottom. When the kiln is over about 1500'F the glow from the elements allows me to view the work. Does not seem to change the heating or cooling characteristics. I have made many a flock of hummers with these kilns. Do them on a clear backing plate, cut them out and lead into windows. Have come up with a number of hummer designs over the years and feel they beat any full leaded hummer. Also fuse the leaves and flowers the same way. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *What! And try to teach her to put up the seat?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 17:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807022304.QAA13045@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Guys, Sounds like a good topic! That's quick fire for sure...mine takes an hour on high (not a quick fire) and then it's 1500' Did that once by mistake, thought it was on low...(Cindy can scare herself) But never fear, the beautiful bullseye was okay, tried to do it again and it broke. Question- Why so high so soon? Smiles, Cindarooni PS: went to see a glass blower this week, he showed me how he worked... he blew a paper thin bottle and told me the degrees as it was cooling. It was annealed in the open air,.... I was super surprized!!! Lee has said: >Yes, topic of the week is a good idea, IMHO, must have missed the >suggestion before. Since I'm doing my first fusing With my little >Paragon Quick Fire Kiln-(it is on soak right now). May I suggest the >thread- > >Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? There are two or three >brands, all somewhat similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 minutes. > >So Here goes, > >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations > > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 19:42:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Kcotcher From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: re:topic of the week Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:50:35 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul3.05035.0> Precedence: bulk i have a quick fire and have had it for about 6 years sitting in the box in the closet. i got it out recently to fire up and it would not fire. no heat. annybody have this happen before? so i work in my larger kiln for now. i would sure like to fire up the little one if possible. also another dilemma with my paragon. it has a computer box that i program the temp and rate of increase temp and am not sure if it is possible to program it to soak at any specific temp for 15 min or whatever is needed. i find myself just reprogramming it up several times . does any one else have to deal with this dilemma. blessings kim ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 19:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: what happened to the TOPIC OF THE WEEK ? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 02:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199807030111.CAA15917@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Good idea!! Says I - suitcase in hand! Talk to you in 2 weeks, guys! (Shakeel - enjoyed your Bio!) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Some time back some had mooted the idea of having a topic of the week. Wonder what has happened to that wonderful idea. Was it further discussed, then I must have missed it. Please fill me in some one? If it petered out, perhaps we should bring it back, What do say Albert, Mike, Shirley, Elesabeth, Patrick, and all the others. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 21:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-2045488203-460 Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul2.184844.0> Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-2045488203-460 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Lee Boe wrote: >Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? >There are two or three brands, all somewhat >similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 >minutes. I have a created a line of jewelry, mostly dichroic glass, using the Paragon QuickFire 6. I'm very happy with it. I do use a controller (the Paragon PCB-1) to slow the ramping up. In the beginning I kept really good notes and graphed the temps and the results. I've more or less got some of it down to a science, but still graph it out if I'm trying something new. One concern I have is that the pyrometer seems to be inaccurate... It indicates temps higher than I know, from experience, that they probably are. For instance, when I want a full fuse, the temp on the quick-fire's pyrometer is between 1700-1750 F. I KNOW it's probably not really that hot. Has anyone else had that experience with their quick-fire. I called Paragon and they said this is normal for these little kilns, because of the difference in heat in the glass on the kiln shelf, and where the pyrometer enters the kiln, which is at the top of the muffle. I have gotten used to this in most applications, but when I want to try using something new... i.e. fire-on gold paint or lustres, which specify a specific temp., it's kind of by-guess and by-golly. Does anyone else have this discrepancy, and, if so, how do you deal with estimating the "real" temps??? I've mostly been lurking on this list for a few months, but I've really learned a lot. I'm scheduled to take a lampworking class at Horizons (in Mass.) in August and I have a feeling that will generate a whole host of questions. I think this "Topic of the Week" idea is great, particularly since you picked one that is near and dear to me! Lee, please let us all know how the jewelry came out!!! Joan Beadnik Jewelry Creations Connecticut --WebTV-Mail-2045488203-460 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id MAA15107; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bftoemail11.bigfoot.com ([208.156.39.201]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id MAA01038; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daver.bungi.com ([207.126.97.2]) by bftoemail8.bigfoot.com (Bigfoot Toe Mail v1.0 with message handle 980702_153843_0_bftoemail8_smtp; Thu, 02 Jul 1998 15:38:43 -0500 for beadnik2@bigfoot.com Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Howard and Elaine Rubin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:31:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul2.93148.0> References: <<1998Jul2.11339.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Yes, topic of the week is a good idea, IMHO, must have missed the suggestion before. Since I'm doing my first fusing With my little Paragon Quick Fire Kiln-(it is on soak right now). May I suggest the thread- Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? There are two or three brands, all somewhat similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 minutes. So Here goes, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > Just a friendly reminder of a suggestion which may not be implemented, > > Be nice to put in the subject line: Non glass: (put topic here) > > makes the inbox helper feel wanted and useful. > > thanks, H ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --WebTV-Mail-2045488203-460-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 22:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, Kcotcher@aol.com Subject: Re: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:17:16, -0500 Message-ID: <199807030417.AAA14496@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>bob, when you refer to hummers are you refering to humming birds? i have thought that it would be great way to decorate the glass in the leaded window, to fuse designs into the glass before cutting out and putting into the panel. kim << Yes, hummers = humming birds. Cut a graceful body shape, three feathers for a tail and six for a wing. A black or dark green for the eye and beak is nice. I ALWAYS use cranberry for the throat. By overlapping the glass it is not necessary to use a backing plate but I like to do so for strength. By changing the angle of the wing(s) and tail the bird is changed greatly. I often fuse on coarse shelf paper for a good texture effect. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 2 23:45:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: insurance for fairs Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:37:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul2.143743.0> Precedence: bulk last week I asked for input on insurance for fairs. (or maybe it was the week before that... i don't remember... I'm getting old) Anyway I just wanted to share with you about one of the Company's I found. It is with R.L.I. insurance and is available through independent insurance agents who belong to "Independent Insurance Agency" It is $150 a year for $300,000 liability coverage. $1,000,000 coverage is also available. Most agents don't know about it, however if they are a member of IIA, they can contact IIA for the coverage. I found out about this because I am an agent for non-standard auto and our agency is a member of IIA. I was at an IIA function and it was brought up. I do the insurance thing two days a week to help support my stained glass habit. Just thought I'd pass this on. cheryl bird_cage@msn.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 3 00:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re:topic of the week Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:33:05, -0500 Message-ID: <199807030433.AAA14422@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>i have a quick fire and have had it for about 6 years sitting in the box in the closet. i got it out recently to fire up and it would not fire. no heat. annybody have this happen before? so i work in my larger kiln for now. i would sure like to fire up the little one if possible.<< The best I can think is that you are plugging into a switch controlled wall socket. Plug into a known hot circuit. Of coures the line switch must be on. If this fails and you are not into electric troubleshooting then take it to a small apliance repairman. Perhaps you only have a loose connection where the line cord makes up with the element. >>also another dilemma with my paragon. it has a computer box that i program the temp and rate of increase temp and am not sure if it is possible to program it to soak at any specific temp for 15 min or whatever is needed. i find myself just reprogramming it up several times . does any one else have to deal with this dilemma.<< Need model number for your Paragon controller, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 3 11:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: Joan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 13:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul3.9444.0> References: <<1998Jul2.184844.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Yup, my experience too, but I figured the difference is about 200 deg. This is just by seat of the pants reckoning. And, don't get a phone call in the middle-I was away for 6 extra minutes this morning and the 4 in the kiln made nice flat puddles, instead of the nice fused look I was after. Of the 4 maybe one is salvageable. They are very small though, so most lost is the time. It takes 2-3 hours for the little kiln to cool enough to take the pieces out. So will try again tonight, with an overnight cool down. Any one try the glass to metal (sterling or gold) fusing??? Please let us know about the lampworking class, Joan, I will be trying to teach myself this summer from video's with a hot head torch and morretti rod to start. I want to see if I like it before going into the expense of a bench burner. (That needs hoses, regulators, tanks) Does anyone have such an outfit they would like to sell at a really reasonable price??? Also, I'm checking out the hot glass sites, where there is ample info on fusing and lampworking. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Joan wrote: > > > One concern I have is that the pyrometer seems to be inaccurate... It > indicates temps higher than I know, from experience, that they probably > are. For instance, when I want a full fuse, the temp on the > quick-fire's pyrometer is between 1700-1750 F. I KNOW it's probably not > really that hot. Has anyone else had that experience with their > quick-fire. I called Paragon and they said this is normal for these > little kilns, because of the difference in heat in the glass on the kiln > shelf, and where the pyrometer enters the kiln, which is at the top of > the muffle. I have gotten used to this in most applications, but when I > want to try using something new... i.e. fire-on gold paint or lustres, > which specify a specific temp., it's kind of by-guess and by-golly. > Does anyone else have this discrepancy, and, if so, how do you deal with > estimating the "real" temps??? > > I've mostly been lurking on this list for a few months, but I've really > learned a lot. I'm scheduled to take a lampworking class at Horizons > (in Mass.) in August and I have a feeling that will generate a whole > host of questions. > > I think this "Topic of the Week" idea is great, particularly since you > picked one that is near and dear to me! Lee, please let us all know how > the jewelry came out!!! > > Joan > Beadnik Jewelry Creations > Connecticut > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: topic of the week > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:31:48 -0400 > From: leestat7 > Organization: @Home Network > To: Howard and Elaine Rubin > References: <<1998Jul2.11339.0>> > > Yes, topic of the week is a good idea, IMHO, must have missed the > suggestion before. Since I'm doing my first fusing With my little > Paragon Quick Fire Kiln-(it is on soak right now). May I suggest the > thread- > > Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? There are two or three > brands, all somewhat similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 minutes. > > So Here goes, > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > > > Just a friendly reminder of a suggestion which may not be implemented, > > > > Be nice to put in the subject line: Non glass: (put topic here) > > > > makes the inbox helper feel wanted and useful. > > > > thanks, H > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 3 17:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Not Glass-Pray if you will Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 18:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul3.141919.0> References: <<199807030417.AAA14496@mime3.prodigy.com>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I am on the west coast of Florida, not in Danger, but at 3 pm this afternoon, the Governor ordered the complete evacuation of TWO Whole counties on the east coast. About 75,000 people, animals, everything. Flagler and Volusia counties. 125 miles of I95 are closed from Titusville to Jacksonville, and many local roads are closed also. The three major fires are converging and may burn all the way to the ocean. WOW. My prayers are with all the displaced, and hope you all will join me. Rain, Rain, please Rain. 320,000 acres are burned so far. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 01:57:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7290513C2490D0450AE151B0" Subject: Re:Not Glass Pray Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul3.175039.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7290513C2490D0450AE151B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee Boe wrote: I am on the west coast of Florida, not in Danger, but at 3 pm this afternoon, the Governor ordered the complete evacuation of TWO Whole counties on the east coast. About 75,000 people, animals, everything. Hi everyone, Sure wish I could send you some of our pacific northwest rain! Have been praying for all of you and hope for some resolution soon! If you need any help of some sort don't hesitate to ask. I'm a long way away but I think alot of us in the group would be happy to help any way we can. Is there a service group that is taking supplies for the displaced? All I know is what I've read, we don't watch the news on t.v. anymore. I'd like to send something but don't know where. Could you let me know Lee? I'm supposing that there were folks who still lit those fireworks on the 4th in Florida. Such a shame, I'm praying for you! See you, Pam --------------7290513C2490D0450AE151B0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------7290513C2490D0450AE151B0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 02:10:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: Stained Glass Artists , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------78C0B58937747C7DDB229651" Subject: New glass hobbyist gallery Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 01:10:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul3.181036.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------78C0B58937747C7DDB229651 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Just thought I'd let you know that you can submit a photo for our hobby gallery. Any takers on this one! Dare, Dare. I decided that some people would maybe like to show some of their art work, related to glass, so the option is open if you want to do this. Here is the page that will showcase your artwork. I know there is nobody there. I just did the page today. So send me a pic, will ya! I know the bungi group has a gallery provided by Daniel but this is just another option. http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/hobby.html Sincerely, Pam --------------78C0B58937747C7DDB229651 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------78C0B58937747C7DDB229651-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 07:13:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul4.5836.0> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, The second fusing yesterday went just fine, didn't get called away at the wrong time. Thanks to everyone who replied to the call for help and prayers, the main agency coordinating help for all the displaced people is the American Red Cross 1-800-HELP-NOW OR ON THE INTERNET AT: http://www.redcross.org Sale and use of personal fireworks banned for the whole state, it is all as dry as the east coast. Professional displays are mostly scheduled over the oceans or lakes and are going on. CNN and the local stations are doing a good job of covering the disaster. More info is available by doing a search for Florida Television stations, most have web sites. Back to Glass, I really like this little kiln, fires fast, easy to use, not much elec. needed. I'm trying to get some Christmas ornaments done for the Christmas in July show I'm doing. Thank you all again, the out pouring of help and prayers has been wonderful. I'll answer each individually direct off bungi. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 09:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Leslye2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: basics of design help needed Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:09:41 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul4.15941.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all, My name is Leslye and I am getting back into glass after a 6 yr break to start a family. I had 8 years experience before that. We have now built our house complete with a room for my studio. Yeah! We built the front entrance with plans for me to design and make the panals. We have a 2 half light side lights with a half light door. I plan to have bevels in all three windows and a border or two on the door. Are there any sites (or books) for education in geometric design principles? Do any of you have any words of wisdom? It is distressing to realize how much I have forgotten. Thanks for your help, Leslye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 10:07:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Leslye2@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: basics of design help needed Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul4.8175.0> References: <<1998Jul4.15941.0>> Precedence: bulk Leslye2@aol.com wrote: > > Hi all, > My name is Leslye and I am getting back into glass after a 6 yr break to start > a family. I had 8 years experience before that. We have now built our house > complete with a room for my studio. Yeah! > > We built the front entrance with plans for me to design and make the panals. > We have a 2 half light side lights with a half light door. I plan to have > bevels in all three windows and a border or two on the door. > > Are there any sites (or books) for education in geometric design principles? > Do any of you have any words of wisdom? It is distressing to realize how much > I have forgotten. > > Thanks for your help, > Leslye > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well i don't really have any designing stuff, but i have plenty of stained glass tips on my page http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 13:09:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not Glass --Pray Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:15:12 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul4.191512.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-07-04 04:58:21 EDT, you write: << Is there a service group that is taking supplies for the displaced? All I know is what I've read, we don't watch the news on t.v. anymore. I'd like to send something but don't know where. >> The American Red Cross is doing a wonderful job helping the fire victims. If you would like to help, please donate to your local American Red Cross one of many web sites. http://www.arccf.org/fire62398.html **Do Not** mark checks "FL fire victims" or any other special cause, this can cause problems later down the line for the Red Cross. Dianne Jacksonville, FL pdruss@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 13:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Off topic--florida on fire--July 4th Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:47:35 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul4.194735.0> Precedence: bulk Here's some news from the FL newspaper. Dianne Jacksonville, FL Hundreds of wildfires continue to burn along the First Coast, displacing at least 112,000 people in three counties - including Flagler, where everyone was evacuated. As three firestorms devoured Flagler County yesterday, police stations and jails emptied, nursing homes and hospitals moved patients, an oceanarium shut down and 40,000 residents fled. Only firefighters were left to battle the flames - 5,000 degrees at the head of the storms - but they, too, waited for the word to retreat to a safe location. The rest of the story is at: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/070498/met_1a1FIRE_.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 4 18:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 4th of July Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:02:08 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi everyone,.. Happy 4th of July to all Americans... -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 04:50:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 04:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Lubee2 From: To: Leslye2@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: basics of design help needed Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:34:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul5.113424.0> Precedence: bulk This is a bit more expensive than a book, but if you are interested There is a computer program I have read about that may more than meet your needs since you want to incorporate bevels. It is a CAD program American Bevel Incorporated had created called Designer 2.0. It runs on Windows 95, and allows you to work freehand or by scanning....Needless to say the available bevel clusters are icorporated into the program for your use. The article I read even says that the program has glass from a number of different companies in it so you can see what your design will look like in different colors....Now the kicker is that it is$175, though with the project you have it may be worth the cost....You can download a demo copy from their website at www:americanbevel.com. Sharon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 08:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: basics of design help needed Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:32:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul5.73217.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:Leslye2@aol.com >Are there any sites (or books) for education in geometric design principles? Do any of you have any words of wisdom? It is distressing to realize how= much I have forgotten.< First, measure the dimension of the panel. Then select a bevel cluster which is smaller than those dimensions. As far as geometric design principles, the best advice I ever received was the power of three. Seems the most pleasing & professional looking designs divide the overall dimensions into groupings of three rather than groupings of two. For instance, since you mentioned a half-sized sidelight setting, I would suggestion you do three bevels for each sidelight. Select a pretty, fancy bevel cluster to be your middle one, and then two other single bevels which somehow reflect the major design in the bevel cluster. But make these two other bevels smaller than the primary bevel cluster. Position them equidistance from each other, allowing same distance from the top and bottom of the panel to the bevel. You can divide the overall length by 4 to give you where to place the 3 lines. The 4th division line becomes the top of the panel. Now divide the width by 2. Draw intersecting lines. Now place the major bevel cluster directly atop the center cross hairs. Place the other 2 bevels on the other 2 cross hairs. Now add any break lines required by the bevel clusters. If you want a formal geometric look, make sure the right side mirrors the left side, and the top third mirrors the bottom third. If you want a less-formal geometric look, work with diagonals of varying angels and lengths. Add in occasional curves and throw in some jewels. Have some fun! Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 14:20:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, kleeman@one.net Subject: Re: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:43:11, -0500 Message-ID: <199807052043.QAA16998@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>bob after the glass is fused, is it harder to score and break? i am playing around with some ideas similar to the one you described, but did not know how the glass would break after firing thanx debbie taylor<< Well deb it just all depends. If you keep the kiln closed and allow it to cool naturally from anneal (generally about 950'F) to below 700'F the glass is likely to cut like butter. It may in fact cut better than the unfused glass. On the other hand, flash cooling the kiln in the above range will tend to temper the glass and make cutting difficult. I do not like the Quick fire kilns for firing more than two layers of 1/8th" glass due to the inadequate cooling characteristics for thicker glasses. Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 14:48:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: Joan Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:43:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul5.224340.0> References: <<1998Jul2.184844.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jul2.184844.0@?>, Joan writes '.................' > >One concern I have is that the pyrometer seems to be inaccurate... It >indicates temps higher than I know, from experience, that they probably >are. For instance, when I want a full fuse, the temp on the >quick-fire's pyrometer is between 1700-1750 F. I KNOW it's probably not >really that hot. Has anyone else had that experience with their >quick-fire. I called Paragon and they said this is normal for these >little kilns, because of the difference in heat in the glass on the kiln >shelf, and where the pyrometer enters the kiln, which is at the top of >the muffle. I have gotten used to this in most applications, but when I >want to try using something new... i.e. fire-on gold paint or lustres, >which specify a specific temp., it's kind of by-guess and by-golly. >Does anyone else have this discrepancy, and, if so, how do you deal with >estimating the "real" temps??? > I've never had one of these "quick fire" things, because they loose heat so quickly too. But I have had to calibrate my temp. readout. I did this by using the cones which ceramics people use. Some of the lower temp ones are in the range for glass work. See when the cone falls, and compare the read out. Then you have a difference between that part of the kiln temp and the readout. place other cones at different levels and parts of the kiln for other differences. Steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 15:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio # 33 Brandon Jones (UK) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 04:56:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul4.23568.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everybody. Very brief information about me I think. I am a member of the academic staff of the university in the school of Electronic and Electrical Engineering. My interest in glass goes back a few years in the form of pushing glass to optical wavelengths not cutting and forming glass as the group interest is.I am new to this side of glass and at present I am basically spending several months researching methods before attempting even a first design mainly for installation in my own house for my own pleasure. I have always been practical, a compulsive hobbyist in some form or another and come from a family that most of the members are craft skilled in either hobby or professional contexts. As far as hobbies are concerned I usually achieve reasonable skill levels but never perfectionist skill levels and expect to do the same with coloured glass in whatever I choose to attempt in the future as projects. The group in general seems very friendly and informative in the time that I have been lurking. The flames and the clashes are perfectly normal in the context of variety in human psychology that I understand and have been identical in all the other lists or groups that I have attended in many years into the past in other hobbies or work related subjects..it will never change. I think I will now go back to lurking but I will drop in if I think I have 2 cents to add to the discussions or if I need to pose a question in future. Nice to meet you all over the magic wire.. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 15:48:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------33BAE7D3F4DD86E22F5C4AE4" Subject: Re:Site for picture submission Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 15:07:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul5.8754.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------33BAE7D3F4DD86E22F5C4AE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Well Lee was the first one to take me up on the hobby site I've added. Check out his work and send me some more pic's. He's all alone in there! How about all of the bungi lurkers? Yes you, we know you are there we can here you breathing! http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/hobby.html P.S. I know I wouldn't call Lee a hobbyist either more of a pro hobbyist actually, but the page is for everyone. Could be your first creation in stained glass that has a special meaning for you or whatever. And I heard that Florida may get a respite soon! Hooray! Those glasses of wine and rain dance we did last night must have helped! See ya, Pam --------------33BAE7D3F4DD86E22F5C4AE4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------33BAE7D3F4DD86E22F5C4AE4-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 16:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio# 34 Karlene? (Hill I think) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 05:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul5.01415.0> Precedence: bulk I am 42 and only been into glass for 4yrs as strictly a hobbiest. Have only been with the Bungi Group for a month. I am a little shy and self conscience of my level. The level of egotistical attitudes they know their stuff and are quick to tell you so. So as said my Bio would not be very interesting to most of the group. Local girl married high school sweetheart for 23 years have 2 daughters. I have worked at a local hospital as unit secretary for 25 years. No major moves in life or high degrees. Just a big glass lover for many years and had a great opportunity to learn the "art/craft" thru a local store. Since getting this computer for the family at Christmas have expanded my knowledge thru this group and many wonderful sites. Karlene Personal note from Patrick: Karlene has been working the second shift and obviously has limited time and was not in a very creative mood when she went me this bio. Thanks for the bio Karlene. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 16:55:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:09:15, -0500 Message-ID: <199807052309.TAA12810@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I've never had one of these "quick fire" things, because they loose heat so quickly too. But I have had to calibrate my temp. readout. I did this by using the cones which ceramics people use. Some of the lower temp ones are in the range for glass work. See when the cone falls, and compare the read out. Then you have a difference between that part of the kiln temp and the readout. place other cones at different levels and parts of the kiln for other differences. Steve<< Pyrometric cones go off based on temperature AND rate of temperature assent. They will always read high when used in a Quick Fire Kiln. Large cones are calibrated to read at 108'F or 270'F per hour and small cones read at 540'F per hour. Much much to slow for the Quick Fire. I agree with previous statements that these kilns read about 200'F higher than shelf temperature. The rate of assent and decent may be slowed somewhat by using a shelf. Also scrap glass can be placed in the kiln to increase the mass being heated or cooled. So fill up the shelf with 1/4" scrap. The rates will be slowed by about 25% which is a good thing. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *If they were not ment to be fleeced, then why were they created sheep?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 18:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: onns.net!camcomm From: To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: The LOWEST Price In America Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <989.283923.690785 camcomm@onns.net> Precedence: bulk NOW... The LOWEST Price In America... What are you paying per minute for long distance phone service (s) ? 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WE RECEIVE BETWEEN 300 AND 1000 CALLS PER DAY. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 18:49:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul5.17720.0> Precedence: bulk Bob wrote: >I agree with previous statements that these >kilns read about 200'F higher than shelf >temperature. Yes, that has been my experience also. However, I wonder whether this is consistent through the range of temps. At fusing temps (approx. 1500F) this is certainly true, but what about around the 1000F range. If my pyrometer reads 1000F on the Quick-Fire am I to assume that it is really only 800F... somehow, I think the lower the temp, the less the difference becomes. Anyone else have any info or opinions on this? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 5 19:53:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlsWorks From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:13:32 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul6.21332.0> Precedence: bulk I am searching for a Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern that Worden sold a few years ago. Does anyone know where I might it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 6 05:58:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 05:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Skutt Octagon Kiln - kiln questions Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <199807061229.IAA16497@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! Does anyone on this list have the Skutt Octagon Kiln? I am able to buy it relatively cheap and wanted to ask a few questions. I am just now learning about kilns and many of my questions will be stupid (this is a warning!). I would like to have a kiln to make not only small items but also plates, platters, and possibly items with more depth than that. My main questions are 1. Do I have to have a ramp master with this kiln? I'm asking since this is almost the same price as the kiln itself. 2. Do I need to buy a pyrometer with it? 3. There is a kiln that works on 120 Volt (Paragon GF-8B, Manual Control), with the same dimensions as the Skutt Octagon, it just takes longer to fire up. Will it have the same capabilities? This model is top-fired. 4. The Skutt is side-fired. Which is better for fusing/slumping? Where should the heat-elements be? 5. Which book(s) would you recommend to learn about fusing since unfortunately my suppliers don't offer any classes yet. I know these are a lot of questions - if they've already been answered I'd be happy to look in the archives if anyone could give me an idea when that was. Thanks for any help! Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************** Many new pictures up on my Stained Glass Pages. Please come and visit! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 6 06:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 05:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail2.nai.net!shad From: Family Account To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Summertime Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 08:37:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul6.43717.0> Precedence: bulk is vacation time. I too am going away for a couple of weeks, so don't get too chatty. I'm headed for a family reunion/50th wedding anniversary (my parents) party. We're headed for Vermont and I notice along the way that we can stop at Simon Pearce Glass and watch glass blowers. Sounds like a good break in the trip. I have noticed on other trips to Vermont that there is a state craft organization with craft stores (I think there's one in downtown Burlington). It's nice to have that statewide organization, but the prices in the stores are obviously "tourist prices" -- high enough to make me laugh (or cry!). Anyone on the list from Vermont -- knows about these stores, etc... Dorothy K ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 6 16:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: topic of the week Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:35:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul6.8357.0> Precedence: bulk Copper is the only metal I know of with a COE close enough to 90 to use with 90 COE glass. I have fired copper spirals (made from stripped telephone wire) in clear and they turned sort of purple. I have also used thicker copper wire fused in the top of a small piece as a hanging loop (earring, pendant, christmas ornament) and it turns color as well. However, if the copper is outside the glass (as in the case of the loops) you can sandblast it back to copper color... L. Spangler On Friday, July 03, 1998 10:05 AM, leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com] wrote: > Yup, my experience too, but I figured the difference is about 200 deg. > This is just by seat of the pants reckoning. And, don't get a phone call > in the middle-I was away for 6 extra minutes this morning and the 4 in > the kiln made nice flat puddles, instead of the nice fused look I was > after. Of the 4 maybe one is salvageable. They are very small though, > so most lost is the time. It takes 2-3 hours for the little kiln to > cool enough to take the pieces out. So will try again tonight, with an > overnight cool down. Any one try the glass to metal (sterling or gold) > fusing??? > > Please let us know about the lampworking class, Joan, I will be trying > to teach myself this summer from video's with a hot head torch and > morretti rod to start. I want to see if I like it before going into the > expense of a bench burner. (That needs hoses, regulators, tanks) Does > anyone have such an outfit they would like to sell at a really > reasonable price??? > > Also, I'm checking out the hot glass sites, where there is ample info on > fusing and lampworking. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > Joan wrote: > > > > > > > One concern I have is that the pyrometer seems to be inaccurate... It > > indicates temps higher than I know, from experience, that they probably > > are. For instance, when I want a full fuse, the temp on the > > quick-fire's pyrometer is between 1700-1750 F. I KNOW it's probably not > > really that hot. Has anyone else had that experience with their > > quick-fire. I called Paragon and they said this is normal for these > > little kilns, because of the difference in heat in the glass on the kiln > > shelf, and where the pyrometer enters the kiln, which is at the top of > > the muffle. I have gotten used to this in most applications, but when I > > want to try using something new... i.e. fire-on gold paint or lustres, > > which specify a specific temp., it's kind of by-guess and by-golly. > > Does anyone else have this discrepancy, and, if so, how do you deal with > > estimating the "real" temps??? > > > > I've mostly been lurking on this list for a few months, but I've really > > learned a lot. I'm scheduled to take a lampworking class at Horizons > > (in Mass.) in August and I have a feeling that will generate a whole > > host of questions. > > > > I think this "Topic of the Week" idea is great, particularly since you > > picked one that is near and dear to me! Lee, please let us all know how > > the jewelry came out!!! > > > > Joan > > Beadnik Jewelry Creations > > Connecticut > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Re: topic of the week > > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:31:48 -0400 > > From: leestat7 > > Organization: @Home Network > > To: Howard and Elaine Rubin > > References: <<1998Jul2.11339.0>> > > > > Yes, topic of the week is a good idea, IMHO, must have missed the > > suggestion before. Since I'm doing my first fusing With my little > > Paragon Quick Fire Kiln-(it is on soak right now). May I suggest the > > thread- > > > > Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? There are two or three > > brands, all somewhat similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 minutes. > > > > So Here goes, > > > > Lee Boe > > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > > Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > > > > > Just a friendly reminder of a suggestion which may not be implemented, > > > > > > Be nice to put in the subject line: Non glass: (put topic here) > > > > > > makes the inbox helper feel wanted and useful. > > > > > > thanks, H > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 6 16:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Skutt Octagon Kiln - kiln questions Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:52:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul6.85226.0> Precedence: bulk On Monday, July 06, 1998 5:38 AM, Daniela Birkelbach [SMTP:dany@city-net.com] wrote: > Hi everyone! > > Does anyone on this list have the Skutt Octagon Kiln? yes > > My main questions are > 1. Do I have to have a ramp master with this kiln? I'm asking since this > is almost the same price as the kiln itself. If the ramp master is an electronic controller, you don't have to have one to use the kiln. However, you will have to be very attentive and stay close to your kiln to keep track of ramp times, soak times, temperatures. Be prepared to spend many hours near your kiln (assembling projects, reading, etc.). An egg timer can be a very handy tool to remind you to check the kiln at intervals. > > 2. Do I need to buy a pyrometer with it? You need a way to measure the temperature inside the kiln. I don't know of any way other than an electronic controller or a pyrometer. > > > 4. The Skutt is side-fired. Which is better for fusing/slumping? Where > should the heat-elements be? I've seen top-fired recommended for glass because the glass heats up more evenly. On a side-fired the outside edges of the glass heat up sooner than the middle. I have a side-fired, however, and it's working just fine. During the up-to-1000 ramp, if you are venting off organic residue, the top-fired will take longer to heat up. But if you have a large piece in the side fired, you have ramp up and down more slower due to the temperature gradient. > > 5. Which book(s) would you recommend to learn about fusing since > unfortunately my suppliers don't offer any classes yet. We have Gil Reynolds "Fused Glass Handbook" and Boyce Lundstrom's "Kiln Firing Glass". > > > Good luck, fusing is a blast! L. Spangler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 6 18:24:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:54:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Topic of the Week Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul6.155317.0> Precedence: bulk >Copper is the only metal I know of with a COE >close enough to 90 to use with 90 COE glass. >I >have fired copper spirals (made from stripped >telephone wire) in clear and they turned sort of >purple. I have also used thicker copper wire >fused in the top of a small piece as a hanging >loop (earring, pendant, christmas ornament) >and it turns color as well. However, if the >copper is outside the glass (as in the case of >the loops) you can sandblast it back to copper >color... > >L. Spangler I tried a test firing on a very small piece of glass incorporating fine silver. The silver did not oxidize and appeared shiney and "silvery" looking, both in the portion encased in clear glass and the portion I left extending out of the glass. I have not tried this on a larger piece... not sure how the difference in COE might effect it. Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 6 21:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not Glass-Pray if you will Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:28:04 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul7.3284.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-07-03 20:17:00 EDT, you write: > Rain, Rain, please Rain. 320,000 acres are burned so far. > well here I am in Florida got here sunday nite, yes we brought some rain with us .... enough to have to drive through 4 accidents in less then 10 miles. Interstate 95 as you all know is closed but they have routed trafic through to interstate 75 and to the florida turnpike (which is FREE if anyone wants to know they are just waving you through) I'm in orlando but fires are somewhere close here now too. Only briefly caught it on the news I don't think it is part of the major fires a little bit east of us though. We had thunderstorms today, which is a little bad with the good (lightening is a BIG no no) Our prayers are with you all and hopefully there is an end to this soon deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 00:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: Fwd: Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:44:09 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul7.6449.0> Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_899793849_boundary Content-ID: <0_899793849@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 03:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:58:51 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul7.95851.0> Precedence: bulk FYI, only received a few lines of garble on this E-mail. Am interested in what you tried to say. Know someone who would love a Coke lampshade! Can you try again? Is it my server? or what? Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 09:51:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:28:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Topic of the Week Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 12:21:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul7.82123.0> References: <<1998Jul6.155317.0>> Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Joan, Did you use sheet silver, or casting grain (fine silver, not sterling). Just had the idea of encasing a couple of 'grains' in some bullseye glass as an experiment. The copper wire I've fused in for hangers works fine but turns a 'blackish' which I think I can just polish off, to get the copper color again. Does anyone know about using Hanovia gold paint on glass? firing temp>? Here is some instructions for the little kilns, when it reaches 500 deg turn off about 5 min to let the glass soak, then back on up to fusing temp. Fusing occurs between 1300 and 1700 depending on the glass. So far the spectrum I already have (not rated) is fusing fine with other spectrum, as is the bullseye to bullseye. Reorganized my work space so fusing can go on on one bench while I'm cutting, soldering on another. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > > I tried a test firing on a very small piece of glass incorporating fine > silver. The silver did not oxidize and appeared shiney and "silvery" > looking, both in the portion encased in clear glass and the portion I > left extending out of the glass. I have not tried this on a larger > piece... not sure how the difference in COE might effect it. > > Joan > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 11:24:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: leestat7@home.com (leestat7) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Topic of the Week Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul7.94412.0> Precedence: bulk Lee wrote: >Did you use sheet silver, or casting grain (fine >silver, not sterling). Just had the idea of >encasing a couple of 'grains' in some bullseye >glass as an experiment. Actually, I used 24 ga. round wire, which was all I had on hand at the time. >Here is some instructions for the little kilns, >when it reaches 500 deg turn off about 5 min to >let the glass soak, then back on up to fusing >temp. Fusing occurs between 1300 and 1700 >depending on the glass. I use the Paragon PCB-1 controller with my kiln. I start it off at #2 for 1/2 hr., which brings the temp to approx 1100F (on the quick fire pyrometer) . I then turn the controller to 3.5 or 4, and let it ascend for between 12 and 15 mins. depending on what I am trying to do... i.e. full fuse, tack fuse, etc. When the pyrometer gets close to what I want, I peek inside. Once it has fused to my satisfaction, I unplug the kiln, and flash vent it to about 1300F. I replace the muffle, and let it cool to room temp, which takes approx 4 hrs. This procedure works well for me and is relatively hassle free. I religiously use a digital kitchen timer, and haven't had any meltdowns yet!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 11:46:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: YWAH36A@prodigy.com (BOB DUCHESNEAU) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul7.95327.0> Precedence: bulk >after the glass is fused, is it harder to score and >break? i am playing around with some ideas >similar to the one you described, but >did not know how the glass would break after >firing thanx >debbie taylor<< >Well deb it just all depends. If you keep the kiln >closed and allow it to cool naturally from anneal >(generally about 950'F) to below 700'F the glass i>s likely to cut like butter. It may in fact cut better >than the unfused glass. >On the other hand, flash cooling the kiln in the >above range will tend to temper the glass and >make cutting difficult. Bob, I was particularly interested in your response to Deb that flash venting tends to temper the glass and make it more difficult to score. Would this principle apply to drilling holes in the glass as well? I have been having some difficulty lately and never realized it may be because I am inadvertently tempering the glass when I flash vent it. I drill very small holes (with a diamond bit in a dremel under water) in relatively thin glass that has been fire-polished in the kiln. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 11:58:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Topic of the Week Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul7.95556.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by Joan >I tried a test firing on a very small piece of glass incorporating fine silver. The silver did not oxidize and appeared shiney and "silvery" looking, both in the portion encased in clear glass and the portion I left extending out of the glass. I have not tried this on a larger piece... not sure how the difference in COE might effect it.< I sell some fused/slumped pieces by Debra J. Van Tol in which it looks like she embeds silver foil and gold paint. They also look nice and "silvery" and "goldish" respectively. I also sell some fused/enameled pieces by Nell Reeves in which she embeds copper wire between clear glass layers, as well as doing copper enamel work. Very nice. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 12:23:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: "Spangler, Lynice" Subject: Re: topic of the week Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:35:56 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul7.203556.0> References: <<1998Jul6.8357.0@?>> Precedence: bulk Hi, I've found that brass wire and foil works with glass to. The exposed parts need tohave the corrosion removed, but that under the glass is bright. Steve In message <1998Jul6.8357.0@?>, "Spangler, Lynice" writes >Copper is the only metal I know of with a COE close enough to 90 to use >with 90 COE glass. I have fired copper spirals (made from stripped >telephone wire) in clear and they turned sort of purple. I have also used >thicker copper wire fused in the top of a small piece as a hanging loop >(earring, pendant, christmas ornament) and it turns color as well. However, >if the copper is outside the glass (as in the case of the loops) you can >sandblast it back to copper color... > >L. Spangler > >On Friday, July 03, 1998 10:05 AM, leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com] wrote: >> Yup, my experience too, but I figured the difference is about 200 deg. >> This is just by seat of the pants reckoning. And, don't get a phone call >> in the middle-I was away for 6 extra minutes this morning and the 4 in >> the kiln made nice flat puddles, instead of the nice fused look I was >> after. Of the 4 maybe one is salvageable. They are very small though, >> so most lost is the time. It takes 2-3 hours for the little kiln to >> cool enough to take the pieces out. So will try again tonight, with an >> overnight cool down. Any one try the glass to metal (sterling or gold) >> fusing??? >> >> Please let us know about the lampworking class, Joan, I will be trying >> to teach myself this summer from video's with a hot head torch and >> morretti rod to start. I want to see if I like it before going into the >> expense of a bench burner. (That needs hoses, regulators, tanks) Does >> anyone have such an outfit they would like to sell at a really >> reasonable price??? >> >> Also, I'm checking out the hot glass sites, where there is ample info on >> fusing and lampworking. >> >> Lee Boe >> Rain-Boe's Creations >> >> >> Joan wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > One concern I have is that the pyrometer seems to be inaccurate... It >> > indicates temps higher than I know, from experience, that they probably >> > are. For instance, when I want a full fuse, the temp on the >> > quick-fire's pyrometer is between 1700-1750 F. I KNOW it's probably not >> > really that hot. Has anyone else had that experience with their >> > quick-fire. I called Paragon and they said this is normal for these >> > little kilns, because of the difference in heat in the glass on the kiln >> > shelf, and where the pyrometer enters the kiln, which is at the top of >> > the muffle. I have gotten used to this in most applications, but when I >> > want to try using something new... i.e. fire-on gold paint or lustres, >> > which specify a specific temp., it's kind of by-guess and by-golly. >> > Does anyone else have this discrepancy, and, if so, how do you deal with >> > estimating the "real" temps??? >> > >> > I've mostly been lurking on this list for a few months, but I've really >> > learned a lot. I'm scheduled to take a lampworking class at Horizons >> > (in Mass.) in August and I have a feeling that will generate a whole >> > host of questions. >> > >> > I think this "Topic of the Week" idea is great, particularly since you >> > picked one that is near and dear to me! Lee, please let us all know how >> > the jewelry came out!!! >> > >> > Joan >> > Beadnik Jewelry Creations >> > Connecticut >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > Subject: Re: topic of the week >> > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:31:48 -0400 >> > From: leestat7 >> > Organization: @Home Network >> > To: Howard and Elaine Rubin >> > References: <<1998Jul2.11339.0>> >> > >> > Yes, topic of the week is a good idea, IMHO, must have missed the >> > suggestion before. Since I'm doing my first fusing With my little >> > Paragon Quick Fire Kiln-(it is on soak right now). May I suggest the >> > thread- >> > >> > Experiences with Quick Fire table top Kilns??? There are two or three >> > brands, all somewhat similar. This one goes to 1500 in about 7 minutes. >> > >> > So Here goes, >> > >> > Lee Boe >> > Rain-Boe's Creations >> > >> > Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: >> > > >> > > Just a friendly reminder of a suggestion which may not be implemented, >> > > >> > > Be nice to put in the subject line: Non glass: (put topic here) >> > > >> > > makes the inbox helper feel wanted and useful. >> > > >> > > thanks, H >> > ---- >> > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 12:49:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Topic of the Week Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul7.95559.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by leestat7 >Does anyone know about using Hanovia gold paint on glass? firing temp>? < I've used Thomas C. Thompson liquid gold paint fired onto clear plate glass. Fires nice and shiney. I ran mine up to 1150 degrees. I've never used Hanovia gold paint though. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 18:58:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: new guy Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 18:25:24 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul8.12524.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Everybody, I'm new here and wanted to meet the list. My name is Scott and I live in Oregon. I have been doing glass for 12 years and a little over one year professionaly. Pam over at Stained Glass Rtist Members told be what a great place to learn this is. I will be hosting the Tech corner over there on the message board. I am sooo glad you are talking about kilns, I have not had a lot of "hot glass" experience and am learning soo much! I am going to be teaching myself lampworking too this summer. I am very knowledgaeble in all foil and have a wealth of experience in lead inserts etc.. well hi and bye for now... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 19:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'Bungi Group'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDA9F2.D6D672C0" Subject: July 9th to July 14th. Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul7.18144.0> Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDA9F2.D6D672C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, PLease remove me from the list from July 9th. til July 14th. My Computer will be in for some sureogy. 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I am also interested in the coca cola pattern... I will try again and post this same message to the list... When mine was returned from the list it was garbled tooo I dont understand why??? Suzan, Fayetteville Ark ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 7 21:30:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:59:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: Beadnik2@webtv.net, glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Quick Fire Kilns Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:57:37, -0500 Message-ID: <199807080357.XAA17826@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk SNIP>>I will try venting the kiln for 5 seconds or so, just to stop the heating process, and then replacing the muffle and letting it cool naturally. I am using clear Bullseye as a top layer, and haven't had a devit. problem yet. Joan<< When I bring a project to full fuse in the QF kilm the pyrometer reads about 1800'F. I remove the muffle, turn it over and place on the table. After a minute or so the project is just barely glowing and I replace the muffle. Seems like a lot of venting but thats what it takes. To fail to adequately vent will result in a project that is over fired. For repeative firings, I work out a schedule that allows me to turn off the kiln at a given elapsed firing time. At that time the project is undercooked but it will continue to work while the kiln is in the higher ranges. To my way of thinking this is the best way to go but even a small change in the project glass can result in different results. requiring different firing times. Bullseye is a good choice to avoid divitrification but not necessary for most QF kiln projects. The QF kiln fires so fast that most Spectrum and Kokomo will not divitrify. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *If they were not ment to be fleeced, then why were they created sheep?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 06:46:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807081324.GAA06909@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk I have the pattern # listed as P20-9 for the Cocoa-cola. But with the pattern mold P20-P it's easy to design. I did one for myself with Harley Davidson gothic print on both sides. Smiles, Cindy > >I am searching for a Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern that Worden sold a few years >ago. Does anyone know where I might it? >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 07:52:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Care and feeding of a Hothead Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 07:20:22 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul8.142022.0> Precedence: bulk I had a hothead torch in storage for a while, and hadnt used it for about a year. Previous to that, I used it pretty heavy, Ive owned for probably 5 years.... Anyway (I digress)I knew that due to being in storage, it needed to be cleaned like on the directions--The reverse the orifice trick--I did that and lately the the glass has been divitrifing,coming out in funky colors, and "burning" (It looks burnt....I swear.) A new bottle of MAPP produced a great new flame, as only a fresh bottle can, for about a minute, then sputtered out and a small pathetic yellow flame came out the side where the o2 holes are. Hello, clogged torch head!(kinda scary!) So, inventive me, took the torch head completely apart, and REALLY cleaned the interior surfaces. I made something that looks like a twisty drain snake out of 24 gauge wire and really scrubbed, the bent tube was the worst. Piles of this funky blackish-brown crust kept coming out.I then reassembled the tube part, with the head OFF and and used the MAPP to blow out the tube, with a couple big blasts. More funk and dust came out, until it was clear. Then I did the reverse orifice again, and finally put the head back on. By God, it was like a brand new torch! Wheeee! Hotter! Faster! Better! More Gooder! Do this!I was gonna buy the Bobcat-I really think I will, but for now I love the HotHead again! OK-Gotta go make more glass stuff! Ciao! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 09:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Dinosaur Bob To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Garbled messages Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 11:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul8.75748.0> Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk I think we should send this out on a regular basis - Other lists I know have fiters set up to prevent HTML and large attachment postings. Please review your OPTIONS or PREFERENCES on your newsreader/browser, and turn off 'send messages as HTML' or whatever options there are - Due to the huge variations in software/hardware/server configurations, a high tech message may be unreadable, or actually crash a low tech reader/browser, due to the 'optional at extra cost' features sent in the message. Please be considerate of other members on the list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 09:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Griffen Glass Saw Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul8.51657.0> Precedence: bulk I have a chance to buy a used Griffin Glass Saw. Never owned a saw and know nothing about them. Must make a decission by Sat. and would appericate some info before then Owner said he paid over $900.00. TIA Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 11:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Griffen Glass Saw Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 12:45:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul8.74518.0> References: <<1998Jul8.51657.0>> Precedence: bulk Nelda, I have owned a glass bandsaw and the Taurus Ring Saw II. Invest your money in the ring saw. It literally cuts circles around a band saw and you can do some intricate cuts with it. Molly fibers wrote: > I have a chance to buy a used Griffin Glass Saw. Never owned a saw and > know nothing about them. > Must make a decission by Sat. and would appericate some info before then > Owner said he paid over $900.00. > TIA > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 12:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Topic of the Week, Hanovia gold Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807081501.IAA11797@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Lee, Hanovia gold firng temps I've used have been the same as Christie's. Mine were for slumping and found the gold application nicer on the front of the glass and not the back. They say cone 022 to 016 for glass, I don't use cones at all, but think cone 022 is around 1100' and 016 is 1443'F Smiles, Cindy > >Message text written by leestat7 >>Does anyone know about using Hanovia gold paint >on glass? firing temp>? < > >I've used Thomas C. Thompson liquid gold paint fired >onto clear plate glass. Fires nice and shiney. I ran mine >up to 1150 degrees. I've never used Hanovia gold >paint though. > >Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles >4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 12:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Griffen Glass Saw Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:53:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199807082012.QAA26905@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I have a chance to buy a used Griffin Glass Saw. Never owned a saw and > know nothing about them. > Must make a decission by Sat. and would appericate some info before then > Owner said he paid over $900.00. I'm not sure what their different models cost, but there are a few comments about bandsaws in an early issue of Common Ground at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/cgg1i.htm If you can get the used Gryphon saw's model number, you can contact Gryphon directly and ask them what the saw would cost new now ... it's possible that it's less expensive than it was then. They can be reached at Gryphon Corporation, 12417 Foothill Boulevard, Sylmar CA 91342- 6005. Phone: (818) 890-7770. Fax: (818) 890-7775. Of course, since it's a used saw, it won't be worth what was paid for it ... it's worth is going to depend on how much use it's had, how worn it is, and whether replacement parts are even available for it any longer. Gryphon will have the answers to that. There are other manufacturers of glass saws in http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guideg.htm if you decide to look around. Good luck! Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 15:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Church Window Restoration Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 17:26:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul8.132655.0> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk I have 8 Church windows to re-lead and clean. These windows were installed in 1912 and this is the first time anything has been done to them. The windows are not overly spectacular (geometric in design) and contain no painted glass. The glass is very dull and oxidized and rust stained in spots. What is the best method of cleaning the glass prior to leading? Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio "To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start." Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 17:03:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Dremel tools Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:24:45 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul8.232445.0> Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! The company I work for (a mailorder hobby model supply company called Model Expo) is closing out all the Dremel tools and I can probably get a good deal. I've see Dremel mentioned a few times here, but what all do you use it for and what parts would you recommend for using the tool for stained glass. Other than drilling holes, what could I use it for? I only do stained glass, no fusing or slumping or whatever, although I'm starting to get interested after reading about it this week. I know this sounds kind of lame, but I can't pass up a good buy if I find one (if I can use the item that is). ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 18:10:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: BMarhon@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Dremel tools Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:48:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul8.164838.0> References: <<1998Jul8.232445.0>> Precedence: bulk BMarhon@aol.com wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > The company I work for (a mailorder hobby model supply company called Model > Expo) is closing out all the Dremel tools and I can probably get a good deal. > I've see Dremel mentioned a few times here, but what all do you use it for and > what parts would you recommend for using the tool for stained glass. Other > than drilling holes, what could I use it for? I only do stained glass, no > fusing or slumping or whatever, although I'm starting to get interested after > reading about it this week. > > I know this sounds kind of lame, but I can't pass up a good buy if I find one > (if I can use the item that is). > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i would get every bit that you can find. you can polish cut and clean pieces with it. i've used it everywhere: tools, glass, wood, everywhere. it's a good tool to have. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 18:27:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: cpesonen@bcinternet.net, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Coca-Cola Lamp Shade Pattern Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:18:10 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.01810.0> Precedence: bulk I would like to have a copy of the coca-cola pattern please... LuvArtGlas Suzan White P.O. Box 495 Johnson AR. 72741 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 21:13:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re;church windows. Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:42:41 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.34241.0> Precedence: bulk I have worked on 1 restoration with my mentor and we used laquer thinner to get certain yuckies off, but if its real bad then you gotta just leave it there. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 21:29:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:52:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re;dremel Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:50:41 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.35041.0> Precedence: bulk I hace seen the Dremel used sooo much its awesome. it can also be used to engrave on the tools you use, engrave your name on glass, the cutoff wheels are great for zinc repairs, brass repairs, rebar repairs, the wire wheel is good for cleaning the oxidation and patina off of old lead to resolder onto. how much can you get it for?? scott ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 21:44:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Stnglsgrn From: To: bigcreek@aracnet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Church Window Restoration Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:19:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.41956.0> Precedence: bulk As a start soak the glass in warm water (soft water is best no deposits on glass). This should loosen the dirt and soften the putty. If not try a neutral pH soap or detergent. Orvus is one, just dilute it a lot. I believe Conservators Emporium carrys it 1-702-852-0404. For stubbron dirt you can try acetone, toluene, xylene, MEK , or alcohol (ethanol, methanol, isopoply) or mineral spirits , naphtha all smelly and nasty but they work. No lye, oven cleaner, drain cleaner nothing caustic, abrasive or acid. After cleaning rinse the glass well in warm soft water to remove the cleaning stuff. If the putty does not soften in the water it was made with portland cement and the only way to get it off is to grind .... a job. Good luck Don ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 22:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: banet.net!gmanning From: Goldpaws To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: The Lamps of Tiffany-Price Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 00:38:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul8.203821.0> Precedence: bulk I want to purchase The lamps of Tiffany by Neustadt. So far the best price seems to be from Amazon.195.00 Does anyone know of a better source? Thanks Goldpaws ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 8 23:15:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: Coca Cola lamp shade pattern Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 01:39:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.53946.0> Precedence: bulk In addition to the pattern Im am also interested in Older Coca-Cola bottle caps... Suzan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 00:17:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Decorative soldering Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:45:42 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul9.224542.0> Precedence: bulk I did it. After two days and nights of dogged work I managed to get a line of decorative solder. Albeit only a simple line of dots. For any one who might be interested, I have made my own stand for the Worden mold. All I did was to weld a nut onto a rod and fix it onto a camera stand. I took a peice of round plywood and guled it to the inside of the mold, the mold now slips into the rod and I use a nut to tighten it. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 00:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 23:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Paperweights .... and such Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:39:22 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul9.223922.0> Precedence: bulk Friends, A friend sent me two old issues of Glass Craftsman magazine. (issues 142 & 144 Jun/Jul 97 & Oct/Nov 97) The issue 142 has some beautiful photos of paperweights. I was, like, wow! How are these peices of such beauty created. Could some one give me a brief note on the process of making paperweights? I would enjoy a book on paperweights but I am not in position to spend right now for something that may be completely out of my league. Is there any web site detailing the manufacturing process or does any one could send me photocopies of any articles in any magazine. Or any book that would describe all and you feel is worth the expenditure. Would be real grateful. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 03:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Lamps of Tiffany-Price Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:10:53 +0000 Message-ID: <199807091131.HAA05148@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I want to purchase The lamps of Tiffany by Neustadt. > So far the best price seems to be from Amazon.195.00 > Does anyone know of a better source? The price is controlled by the Neustadt Museum. There is no lower price that I know of, as a result. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 03:51:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 03:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Church Window Restoration Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:08:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199807091131.HAA05145@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > contain no painted glass. The glass is very dull and oxidized and rust > stained in spots. What is the best method of cleaning the glass prior to > leading? Abrasive cleansers, like Ajax or Comet, or cleaning materials, like steel wool or fiberglass brushes, can leave permanent scratches in glass and should be avoided. Water is the universal solvent ... try bathing the glass in warm water and gently removing the dirt. On the other hand, here's a story that might throw some light: A quantity of old painted glass having been sent to Mr. Forrest, a glass painter..., to be cleaned, he found that the outer surface of the whole was covered with a layer of what appeared to be hard dried dust and rain, which was easily removed by a short application of hydrofluoric acid.... He was struck, however, by observing that every now and then there were perfectly clear places to which the dust had apparently not adhered, and there were sometimes curved lines, sometimes dots or roundish spaces, sometimes small and at other times of considerable size. At first it simply appeared odd that the dirt should have adhered so partially; but at length it struck him that possibly these clear spaces might be intentional, and the dirt not dirt at all, but paint burnt in to the surface of the glass. On further examination he found that this really was the case, and that the clear spaces were lights taken out of semi-opaque background.... (FJ. Birkbeck Nevins, "The Secret of Ancient Painted Glass," The Builder, Dec. 28, 1850.) and One of the most common problems faced by conservators is dirt, in all its many permutations. One of the most common laments of owners of windows is, "They're dirty." And somewhat paradoxically, the cleaning of stained glass windows is one of the most complicated issues in its conservation. "Carefully" is still the best guideline, but obviously that's not very specific. As in all restoration, though, every window is different, and the cause of the problem must be addressed, as well as the problem itself. In addition, one must remember that lead, waterproofing compound, and glass paint are sometimes also subjected to the cleaning. Whatever cleanser and method are chosen, none of the materials in the window should be adversely affected by the cleanser or the cleaning process. It is important to fully understand the purpose of cleaning stained glass windows. To most people, cleaning means removing the dirt that obscures the glass and making the window as sparkling as when it was new. This is both incomplete and not quite accurate. In the first place, we are dealing with an old window. Why should it look new? After all, being old is nothing to be ashamed of. Other antiques are valued for their old appearance. There is great danger in over-cleaning, and it is always better to err on the side of conservatism in restoration ... All from "Conservation of Stained Glass in America," by Julie L. Sloan, Albert Lewis, editor (Art in Architecture Press, 1995) http://www.aiap.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 06:27:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: The Lamps of Tiffany Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 09:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul9.5314.0> Precedence: bulk There is a used copy available. Go to www.mxbf.com and enter the author and/or title. There is a copy available for $100 in fine condition. I'm not really sure what fine means in bookseller terms though. Russ hilleker@citadel.edu >I want to purchase The lamps of Tiffany by Neustadt. >So far the best price seems to be from Amazon.195.00 >Does anyone know of a better source? >Thanks >Goldpaws ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 06:55:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mebsjunk From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Window Restoration Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:30:46 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.133046.0> Precedence: bulk I have found a old window. The frame is missing and the outside lead came is 'loose'. The top is arched so framing is not something that I can do. As I new beginner ,can I redo the came? Where can I get information? I do not start my classes till Sept but hate to let this window get away. 18" x 26" with only one piece cracked but you will not see unless looking for it. Mary in Ga ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 07:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: The Lamps of Tiffany-Price Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:39:15 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul9.133915.0> Precedence: bulk Hello Goldpaws, Our regular price for "The Lamps of Tiffany" by Neustadt (Cat.#7270W) is also $195.00. However, we have a limited number of copies that we can offer members of the Bungi group for just $175.00. Please email or call toll-free to order and mention that you are a member of Bungi to receive the special price. Thank you. Sincerely, Rich Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc. 398 Interstate Ct. Sarasota, FL 34240 1-800-422-4552 1-941-379-8333 Fax: 1-941-379-8827 Email: GlasCrafts@aol.com www.glasscrafters.com http://members.aol.com/glascrafts ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 07:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sorry about duplicates Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:29:54 +0000 Message-ID: <199807091550.LAA14505@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk Sorry if one or more of my messages was duplicated this a.m. I had a message that it hadn't been sent, then while resending it, got my copy from bungi.com -- it wasn't intentional. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 08:14:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Haddonfield's 6th Annual Crafts and Fine Arts Festival Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199807091423.KAA19232@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk For those who love craft shows!!!!!! Over 225 of the nations finest artist and craftspeople will converge on the historical downtown district of Haddonfield, New Jersey on Saturday, July 11 from 10am-7pm and Sunday , July 12, from 12n-5pm. I happen to be co-organizer of this event and if any one happens to stop by I will be on hand at the information booth located on Kings Highway. This premier southern New Jersey event is the largest outdoor juried show of its type . We boast as having over 100,000 in attendence last year and look forward to a wonderful crowd again this year. Admission is free and there is plenty of free parking. We are also accessible by the PATCO highspeedline. I will be there both days all day.................so stop by and say hello. This is by no means an advertisement...................just an invitation. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 08:27:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Church Window Restoration Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:23:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199807091543.LAA14159@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > contain no painted glass. The glass is very dull and oxidized and rust > stained in spots. What is the best method of cleaning the glass prior to > leading? Abrasive cleansers, like Ajax or Comet, or cleaning materials, like steel wool or fiberglass brushes, can leave permanent scratches in glass and should be avoided. Water is the universal solvent ... try bathing the glass in warm water and gently removing the dirt. On the other hand, here's a story that might throw some light: A quantity of old painted glass having been sent to Mr. Forrest, a glass painter..., to be cleaned, he found that the outer surface of the whole was covered with a layer of what appeared to be hard dried dust and rain, which was easily removed by a short application of hydrofluoric acid.... He was struck, however, by observing that every now and then there were perfectly clear places to which the dust had apparently not adhered, and there were sometimes curved lines, sometimes dots or roundish spaces, sometimes small and at other times of considerable size. At first it simply appeared odd that the dirt should have adhered so partially; but at length it struck him that possibly these clear spaces might be intentional, and the dirt not dirt at all, but paint burnt in to the surface of the glass. On further examination he found that this really was the case, and that the clear spaces were lights taken out of semi-opaque background.... (FJ. Birkbeck Nevins, "The Secret of Ancient Painted Glass," The Builder, Dec. 28, 1850.) and One of the most common problems faced by conservators is dirt, in all its many permutations. One of the most common laments of owners of windows is, "They're dirty." And somewhat paradoxically, the cleaning of stained glass windows is one of the most complicated issues in its conservation. "Carefully" is still the best guideline, but obviously that's not very specific. As in all restoration, though, every window is different, and the cause of the problem must be addressed, as well as the problem itself. In addition, one must remember that lead, waterproofing compound, and glass paint are sometimes also subjected to the cleaning. Whatever cleanser and method are chosen, none of the materials in the window should be adversely affected by the cleanser or the cleaning process. It is important to fully understand the purpose of cleaning stained glass windows. To most people, cleaning means removing the dirt that obscures the glass and making the window as sparkling as when it was new. This is both incomplete and not quite accurate. In the first place, we are dealing with an old window. Why should it look new? After all, being old is nothing to be ashamed of. Other antiques are valued for their old appearance. There is great danger in over-cleaning, and it is always better to err on the side of conservatism in restoration ... All from "Conservation of Stained Glass in America," by Julie L. Sloan, Albert Lewis, editor (Art in Architecture Press, 1995) http://www.aiap.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 10:35:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Window Restoration Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 17:34:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul9.183459.0> Precedence: bulk At 09:30 09/07/98 EDT, you wrote: >I have found a old window. The frame is missing and the outside lead came is >'loose'. The top is arched so framing is not something that I can do. As I >new beginner ,can I redo the came? Where can I get information? I do not >start my classes till Sept but hate to let this window get away. 18" x 26" >with only one piece cracked but you will not see unless looking for it. >Mary in Ga >---- Hello Mary, though understanding completely that you dont want to let the grass grow under your feet, you would make a far better job of this window if you wait till you have had some experience on small projects before tackling it. So I would suggest storing the window somewhere safe until you are ready and capable of doing it well. After all it will be around for many years if you repair it properly, and a poor job will only irritate you and you may have to re-do it later if you rush at it in relative ignorance. As we often tell our students - you wont have to feed it while it is awaiting attention :-) Also you may find your teacher will be only too happy to show you the best way to do the job as part of your course. Good luck in your stained glass Regards Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 11:08:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.apple.com!karens From: Karen Schroeder To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: The Lamps of Tiffany-Price Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:19:47 -0700 Message-ID: <199807091719.KAA07168@scv3.apple.com> Precedence: bulk I bought a copy from a bookseller in New York via mail order for about $100. I found it through the BiblioFind web site: Enter "neustadt" as the author keyword and "tiffany" as the title keyword. Here are a couple of the hits: Neustadt, Egon Dr.: The Lamps of Tiffany ; 2A ARTISTS/WORKS Fairfield Press, New York, 1970. G++/G+. Mustard cloth HB with gold lettering and purple design. A very colorful dj along with colorful lamps throughout. A nice copy. (AB Bookman's Standards) =A0 Offered for sale by Yesterday's Books at US$100.00 Neustadt,Dr.Egon.: The Lamps of Tiffany. ; NY:Neustadt Museum,1970., First edition.Cloth.F in F DJ., Fine Arts, Photography, and Architecture =A0 (UR#:2941)=A0 Offered for sale by New York Online Bookfinder at US$100.00 This is a wonderful book. Anytime I am having motivation problems I flip through it. Soon my hands are itching to touch glass. Karen Schroeder Hummingbird Designs On 7/8/98 9:38 PM Goldpaws said: >I want to purchase The lamps of Tiffany by Neustadt. >So far the best price seems to be from Amazon.195.00 >Does anyone know of a better source? >Thanks >Goldpaws Saying Windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've witnessed the second coming. -- Guy Kawasaki Macintosh, It Just Works! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 12:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Albert Lewis" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Non Glass: thanks from Shakeel Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 02:22:17 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul10.102217.0> Precedence: bulk Albert Thanks for both the mail, regarding the kiln and the lamp working. Marty of Centre DeVerre mailed me information. Hope to add a kiln to my studio soon. Saw Reggie Lim's name in the members list. A pleasant surprise. I get most of my glass from him. Are there any other members from Malaysia, Indonesia or Singapore that you know. It would be good to know them if there are any. Do you know of any place where I can catch some basics on lampworking and paperweight. Thanks Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 12:36:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Soldering the box seams Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:56:43 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul10.95643.0> Precedence: bulk Friends Tried the first 3-D object today. A vase. I was very unhappy with the seams. The pieces in the panel give a nice delicate bead but the joints seem to lose all the delicacy. It beace a very thick bead of solder. Moreover the empty V shape space seems very hard to fill. Is there any other way to join the panels and still get a delicate seam? Mike, you seem to me an expert in boxes, any advise for the rookie? Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 13:07:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: The Lamps of Tiffany-Price Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:44:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199807092105.RAA29405@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I bought a copy from a bookseller in New York via mail order for about > $100. I found it through the BiblioFind web site Aw, I didn't think of used book dealers ... very good suggestion. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 17:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:15:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering the box seams Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 20:14:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul9.16148.0> References: <<1998Jul10.95643.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > Friends > > Tried the first 3-D object today. A vase. I was very unhappy with the seams. > The pieces in the panel give a nice delicate bead but the joints seem to > lose all the delicacy. It beace a very thick bead of solder. Moreover the > empty V shape space seems very hard to fill. Is there any other way to join > the panels and still get a delicate seam? > > Mike, you seem to me an expert in boxes, any advise for the rookie? > > Shakeel Abedi > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Johor > Malaysia > Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 > shakeel@tm.net.my > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, you would need to angle the pieces (miter the edges), for a tighter fit. that's really the monyl good way. it will make the preoject a little weaker, but since it's vase it should'nt make a huge difference. try using as thin a foil you can get away with. i use 3/16 foil... as long as the seems are fat all the way around it should'nt be noticed, as much. but primarily beveling the edges will be the only real way to go. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 19:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Soldering the box seams Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807100159.SAA25417@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > >Dear Shakeel, >Althou you have ended this to our dear "Friend Mike" many have enjoyed your chatting and may wish to jump in. >I am one.... very interesting learning the difficulties of many miles. >With your regards to the "v" shape, it's always been an ugly corner to me, and usually detour from it. It's not really nescessary either, as Mike has replied to. As far as I've seen it's an easy design feature that doesn't allow for smaller cuts on the side pieces. (aligning for the side pieces to fit correctly between the front and the back). >Happy cutting from Canada, >Smiles, Cindy > > > >>Friends >> >>Tried the first 3-D object today. A vase. I was very unhappy with the seams. >>The pieces in the panel give a nice delicate bead but the joints seem to >>lose all the delicacy. It beace a very thick bead of solder. Moreover the >>empty V shape space seems very hard to fill. Is there any other way to join >>the panels and still get a delicate seam? >> >>Mike, you seem to me an expert in boxes, any advise for the rookie? >> >>Shakeel Abedi >>104, Jalan Mersing >>86000 Kluang >>Johor >>Malaysia >>Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 >>shakeel@tm.net.my >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 9 20:19:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:01:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Thu, 09 Jul 1998 18:12:52 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul10.11252.0> Precedence: bulk Is it a band saw model( which cuts only in one direction), or a ring saw( diamond grit all the way around. The ring saws are worth the money, but the band saws that cost a that much tend to not be as good because of the blade. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 04:04:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 03:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Soldering the box seams Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 06:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul10.23240.0> Precedence: bulk Shakeel, I'm pretty new to this, just a couple of years but I do a fair amount of = kaleidoscopes and the corners are similar, a thick bead. I tin the edges = and then instead of trying to lay the soulder down in one even flow, I = kind of daub it on. I fill the iron with soulder (like a paint brush) = and plop in on quickly. It has a chance to cool slightly while I'm = filling the iron with the next daub. When I lay the next plop aside the = last one, it males a nicedome shape, sometimes leaving a little = indentation between each daub.=20 Hard to expain but the effect is very nice and the rather large soulder = bead that looks like a nicely made fillet weld becomes part of the = interest. Of course, like Mike says, I use the smallest foil size I can = get away with so the dome kind of flows onto the tinned edges as well as = fills the corner gap. Linda Campbell Shakeel said: >> >>Tried the first 3-D object today. A vase. I was very unhappy with the = seams. >>The pieces in the panel give a nice delicate bead but the joints seem = to >>lose all the delicacy. It beace a very thick bead of solder. Moreover = the >>empty V shape space seems very hard to fill. Is there any other way to = join >>the panels and still get a delicate seam? >> >>Mike, you seem to me an expert in boxes, any advise for the rookie? >> >>Shakeel Abedi >>104, Jalan Mersing >>86000 Kluang >>Johor >>Malaysia >>Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 >>shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 07:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Soldering the box seams Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul10.6212.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Shakeel Abedi" >Tried the first 3-D object today. A vase. I was very unhappy with the seams. The pieces in the panel give a nice delicate bead but the joints seem to lose all the delicacy. It beace a very thick bead of solder. Moreover the= empty V shape space seems very hard to fill. Is there any other way to jo= in the panels and still get a delicate seam?< You might want to invest in a "lamp" grinding bit. This is a bit which is beveled. This way you grind an angel into the parts of the piece where there is a joint. This reduces the V shape space needing to be filled with solder, resulting in a smaller and more pleasing seam. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 08:12:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 07:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Soldering the box seams Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:20:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul10.62021.0> References: <<1998Jul10.23240.0>> Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Shakeel, > > I'm pretty new to this, just a couple of years but I do a fair amount of = > kaleidoscopes and the corners are similar, a thick bead. I tin the edges = > and then instead of trying to lay the soulder down in one even flow, I = > kind of daub it on. I fill the iron with soulder (like a paint brush) = > and plop in on quickly. It has a chance to cool slightly while I'm = > filling the iron with the next daub. When I lay the next plop aside the = > last one, it males a nicedome shape, sometimes leaving a little = > indentation between each daub.=20 > > Hard to expain but the effect is very nice and the rather large soulder = > bead that looks like a nicely made fillet weld becomes part of the = > interest. Of course, like Mike says, I use the smallest foil size I can = > get away with so the dome kind of flows onto the tinned edges as well as = > fills the corner gap. > > Linda Campbell > > Shakeel said: > >> > >>Tried the first 3-D object today. A vase. I was very unhappy with the = > seams. > >>The pieces in the panel give a nice delicate bead but the joints seem = > to > >>lose all the delicacy. It beace a very thick bead of solder. Moreover = > the > >>empty V shape space seems very hard to fill. Is there any other way to = > join > >>the panels and still get a delicate seam? > >> > >>Mike, you seem to me an expert in boxes, any advise for the rookie? > >> > >>Shakeel Abedi > >>104, Jalan Mersing > >>86000 Kluang > >>Johor > >>Malaysia > >>Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 > >>shakeel@tm.net.my > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass and of course the side seams are perfect for decorative soldering. which is why you see alot of that on scopes. another method for hiding the seam is to put a little bit of solder in the bottom of the V. just enough to keep it together. then use a clear rod (like a laser scope rod), and use it to fill in the gap. or you can use a bunch of gems (for the top anyway). the bottom, really does'nt matter (providing you use feet of some kind, showing that it's the bottom). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 17:34:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LuvArtGlas From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Coca Cola lamp shade pattern Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:49:32 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul10.234932.0> Precedence: bulk Im not sure why this goes through sometimes and not at other times.. But anyway I was asking if any one out there had any older coca-cola bottle caps... Hope this one doesnt get all garbled up in the translation Suzan Fayetteville AR ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 18:05:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: LuvArtGlas@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Coca Cola lamp shade pattern Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:37:42 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul11.03742.0> Precedence: bulk Got your message (twice) - just don't have any bottle caps! Sorry. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 18:36:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:58:48 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul11.05848.0> Precedence: bulk Having trouble with the decorative solder?...use a lower temp tip(600) because if its too hot, the solder will just melt down. Also use quick set solder, it is great because it sets quickly allowing you to move right along the line without worrying about melting the dot next to it.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 10 21:51:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: right thickness for 14" stepping stone. Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:34:55 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul11.193455.0> Precedence: bulk Hi What is the best thicknes for a 14 or 16 inch stepping stone? Thanks Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 11 00:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 23:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B63D74D266BD923BFF0F86D7" Subject: Re:Right thickness for stepping stones Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:37:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul10.15374.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B63D74D266BD923BFF0F86D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Shakeel! Hi Everybody! I would advise anywhere from 1 1/2 inch to 2 1/2 inches thick. When I do my stones the finished product is 2 1/2 inches thick. I purchased 1 mold from Delphi glass and it's thickness is about 1 1/2 inches. I also seal the stone with water sealer, ah yes, something else for you to think about! By the way how did you solve your concrete problem there in Malaysia? You may have discussed this already I can always check the archives. I was wondering what your concrete elements are and have you started experimenting with the stones yet. Fill us in!! I was thinking of sending you a bag but for a couple hundred bucks in shipping quickly changed my mind, good grief! I think all of us have enjoyed your quest for knowledge and I sincerely hope you continue! P.S. I enjoyed the topic of the week this week-any suggestions for next week? See ya, Pam --------------B63D74D266BD923BFF0F86D7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------B63D74D266BD923BFF0F86D7-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 11 08:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PDRUSS From: To: PDRUSS@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: off topic: Florida fires Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:35:52 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul11.153552.0> Precedence: bulk Here are the lastest numbers on the Flordia fires. Yes, they are still burning. Dianne   Fires By The Numbers (As of 7/8/98) Number of fires: 2,058 Number of evacuees: 120,000 Number in shelters: 8,300+ Toll: 100 injuries, 3 deaths (elderly people while being evacuated from nursing homes) Acreage lost: 483,000 Property damaged: 356 homes and structures Damage estimate: $276 million (mostly timber) Cost to fight fires: $116 million ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 11 11:01:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: right thickness for 14" stepping stone. Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:29:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul11.32958.0> References: <<1998Jul11.193455.0>> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Concrete was designed to be poured a minumum of 4 inches. But with stepping stones, 2 inches will do as long as you plant the stone on 1 and 1/2 inches of clean sand. The sand will diffuse the weight and thus protect the stone. Good luck Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 00:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Cats for profit Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:38:26, -0500 Message-ID: <199807120638.CAA12800@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk Recently I was looking around my studio and thinking of what was helping to bring in the rent money. The kilns and beveling equipment have long since paid for themselves and generate a constant stream of income. As I write the large kiln is firing bent glass lamp panels for a long term client who makes very fancy chandlers. A bevel order came in today that will provide an income that after expenses that is 80% labor (skill) charge. Not a few smaller tools have proven to be good investments. The came bender (actualy the second one) has seen noble service as have a lot of other things. Then my cat Freeway looked up from his current favorite spot. Freeway turned up ten years ago and lived in the attic for a few months before he was invited inside. What a moneymaker he has been. With two exceptions he has been most welcome to prospective clients. For years now he has greeted people that show up at the door. Oftentimes the first few minutes of conversation that we have is on the subject of cats. Having covered the common ground of cats it is time to move on to business. I find that I can communicate with people on business matters better when I know a little something about them and I am sure that my prospective clients feel the same way. Well, Freeway provides this ice breaking and I am sure that many commissions have come to me due to this. So I say, get a cat to raise your profit margins. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *If they were not ment to be fleeced, then why were they created sheep?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 08:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Cats for profit Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:33:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul12.143356.0> Precedence: bulk Bob D. purrs: > For years now [Freeway] has greeted people that show up > at the door. Oftentimes the first few minutes of > conversation that we have is on the subject of cats. > > Having covered the common ground of cats it is time to > move on to business. [...] get a cat to raise your profit > margins. Thanks for the early-morning chuckle! Reminds me of a local used-record store that has 2 resident felines, a yellow tabby and a black. The black one is in the habit of singling out a likely- looking customer who's engrossed in flipping through the bins, then jumping up on the bin and from there to the customer's shoulder and settling there like the jaguar draped on Gunther Gebel-Williams in the old American Express card commercial. He'll stay there until he's shooed off or until you go to the checkout counter, at which point the cashier will say something like, "Don't look now, but there's a cat on you." That seems to be the critter's signal that the ride's over.... (The sign on the office door says "EMPLOYEES AND CATS ONLY.") There's something nice and friendly about having a cat in the workplace anyway (assuming it's got enough sense and dignity to keep from jumping up on the furniture and knocking things off, that gets expensive in a hurry!), even if you don't have customers walking in. Before Christie had her shop, I spent a couple of afternoons in her basement sitting at the foiler with a lap full of yellow cat (she has 4 assorted ones; another one likes to walk in on you first thing in the morning and flop down right in your face, as I found out recently when we were in the midst of a rush job and I crashed over at her house one night rather than drive 20 miles home on a motor scooter at 11 pm), and I still miss the gray tortoise-shell my sweetie and I used to have who would settle down (all 14 lbs of her) right in front of the computer monitor and stay there all day (and oddly enough, didn't seem to mind being a "document holder" when I propped up a stack of papers on her)! OK, this has been a bit rambling and maybe off the subject, but what the hey, it's Sunday! :-) Sparks suddenly wishing for another Furry Feline Mahatma ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 13:57:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: glass saw Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:38:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.53837.0> Precedence: bulk I am considering buying a glass saw, either band or ring saw. I see replacement grommets offered with each. How ofter must these be replaced? I'm told that cutting a streight line with a ring saw is difficult. What has your experience been? TIA Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 14:55:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, cpesonen@bcinternet.net Subject: Re: Tightening kiln elements. Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:54:56, -0500 Message-ID: <199807122054.QAA13048@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Quick question if you have the time, my kiln elements have stretched, some hooks have disappeared. Is that normal and should I be fixing it? At the moment nothing seems too serious, but am concerned. TIA. Cindy<< Funny you should bring this subject up. Just yesterday I spend a few minutes tightening up my kiln elements. Seems to be necessary every couple of dozen firings. Being as mine are in the kiln lid it is important that they are not allowed to sag to much or they can break when hot. Making sure that the electric is off, I use a pair of needle nose pliers to compress the coils of the element. A little compression here and a little compression there and suddenly the element is taunt in the groove. Of course, used elements can be brittle and so care is necessary. Even so I have never broken an element by tightening with my trusty needle nose pliers. I use very few pins to hold the coil on place. The drill is the same for side mounted elements but the necessity is much less. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *If they were not ment to be fleeced, then why were they created sheep?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 15:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Help with a stepping stone class Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:06:42 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul12.21642.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone Well, I opened my big mouth and I had some kids in our church do some small stepping stones one Sunday. There were nine kids and I used some 8" round tinfoil pans which worked pretty well. It only took me one nite in a hot garage to pour them all. Well, now I have got about 15 adults wanting to do the same thing! But they really want to do something larger. None of them has had any experience with glass and I want to keep the experience positive. I also don't what to kill myself and extend the class for more than two sessions. I think cutting glass is out of the question and a mosaic with small glass pieces would be more appropriate. Does anyone have any ideas for projects or patterns? Thanks Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 16:39:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: ring saw... Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:21:34 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul12.222134.0> Precedence: bulk Re:SAW... well the ring saw i use is hard to cut straight because it cuts so fast, but i dont ever use it for straight lines.....just use my cutter.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 17:12:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: Mebsjunk@aol.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Window Restoration Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:00:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul12.23040.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, If the price is right (meaning real cheap), I can't think of a better way to learn how to work with lead came. If you have had some experience with cutting, soldering, etc. All that is needed is the guts to try to rework the came. If the piece is cheap enough , the fear factor is diminished. If you have to go further cause you break something, or twist something, well, good, now you have more to practice on. I had done foil for a long time before learning to do lead, in just this way, and I feel the experience was just great...just dove into it. ..If you redo the cames however, remember, you have to stretch the lead first, a simple proceedure, with a lead vise, pliers, and a little nerve. Good luck Richard Glassics Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 17:52:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MD6868 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New Glass Biz,etc. Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:24:31 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul12.232431.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who graciously responded to my reguest for help, opinions, etc, regarding my new venture. I have replied to some of you directly, so as not to take group time for a personal need, however, I will share with the group. developments that I feel will benefit the group, as I proceed. Am narrowing down site selection, and meeting with first of comm'l brokers tomw. Am incorporating tomw as well (yes, that too can be dome via internet) and am applying for sales tax permit as well. the concensus of the comments I got advise a mix of glass, and supplies, lessions, and commission work. I'll keep ypu all advised, and will submit a bio to Mr. Kelly this week, without fail. Just finished a 10 day visit of glass shops / studios in No. Ca. .. very helpful. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 18:14:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Pattern Book Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:04:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul11.23421.0> Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any advice on pattern books? I have collected about 12 orginal patterns that are unique and would probably be attractive to the hobbyist market. Several of my fellow glass-mates feel that I should try to publish. I don't have a clue. Is it worth it to pursue? Is there money is pattern books? So what do you guys think? cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 18:26:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tightening kiln elements. Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807122352.QAA32085@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Bob, >Thanks for the quick answer:) >This has been going on for awhile and now feel more at ease that I should be attending to this quickly. >Inside my fire brick are grooves that the element sits into. Checked it out and think it could be difficult getting the wire in place (actually had one wire that did not disappear, so I quickly tried it) But shall work on it tomorrow. >(Slumping some roses and a plate today.) >One more question: >What can I replace the wire with here at home, I have a big stock of copper wire in all guages (SP), but think that won't work? Should it be steel? >Thanks again, Cindy > >PS; twice now I've burnt my bangs (hair) having a peek inside, boy oh boy, I had better stop that. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 18:37:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: cats Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:43:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.24340.0> Precedence: bulk I had a shop cat for 12+ years, used to sit on my warm light table, chase rodents in my shop, investigate the un-spooling foil, and in general just be around and in the way for my/her pleasure. Anywhere that I frequent that has a cat will tend to bring me back, sometimes just to visit the cat. Dogs are ok, but I have an affinity for and to cats. Aloof (interpretation) ones will often come to me and stay to the surprise of the owners (as if you can own a cat). I do miss my cat and in moments of weakness muse over getting another one. Had a trade(small lampshade) lined up for a Bengal, but at the last moment decided not to go through with it. just remembering, enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 18:52:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: polishing agates Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 05:51:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul11.235151.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, as a new bungi member, I have slowly been making my way through the archives. I had my brother cut about 10 lbs of stones for me with is tile saw. They came out very interesting and I am sure I will be able to find a use for them. In this archive you mention that you just bought a bevel max and implied that you can use it to polish stones, could you please explain. Thanks cj >From archives (mike's message): i have a lapidary saw a 6" gemstone. it does'nt cut flat glass well it tends to crack do to vibration. however it should be able to cut thicker glass like dalle glass that 1" stuff. i was hoping to be able to cut bottles on that thing, but apparently i can'nt. but i can cut rocks and i just got the bevel max, so i should be able to polish my agates. BTW you would'nt happen to have a catalog taht sells decent uncut or cut agates would you? the only polished agates i found are at meuseums or fleamarkets. and uncut's, once at a zinc mine. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 19:54:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: shelf primer stuck to glass Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:08:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.12846.0> Precedence: bulk Any suggestions on how to remove shelf primer that stuck to the glass in the kiln? Ugh. Also, how do you know when to reapply shelf primer. The last time I used the kiln, everything was fine. This time everything stuck. I've used the shelf paper. It's really nice, but kind of pricey, especially compared to primer. Jerri (aka Scrub Scrub) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 21:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: "suzy@comcat.com" To: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: cats Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 23:06:09 -0400 Message-ID: <199807130309.XAA13721@uz.ComCAT.COM> Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: >Had a trade(small lampshade) lined up for a Bengal, but at the last moment >decided not to go through with it. Why not? Life is short, why deny yourself the pleasure of a feline? For a *small lampshade* for God's sake - what a deal, I thought you were the King of Deals! Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 21:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: one.net!kleeman From: one.net!kleeman To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Pattern Book Date: Sun Jul 12 20:34:33 1998 Message-ID: <19980713032311Z13416-22665+409@mail.one.net> Precedence: bulk hi if you persue this and come up with a hard copy of something, let me know--i have a store front in cincinnati and will gladly buy a few from you to resell in my studio let us know debbie taylor taylor'd expressions 513-213-0082 ---------- > From: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo > To: Bungi > Subject: Pattern Book > Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 7:04 AM > > Does anyone have any advice on pattern books? I have collected about 12 > orginal patterns that are unique and would probably be attractive to the > hobbyist market. Several of my fellow glass-mates feel that I should try to > publish. I don't have a clue. Is it worth it to pursue? Is there money is > pattern books? > > So what do you guys think? > cj > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 21:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #36 Mary Austin Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.16481.0> Precedence: bulk My name is Mary Austin. I live in Indiana. I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years now. I'm legally blind and thankfully work using a large magnifying light that was donated from where my husband works. I love doing panels, windows and am looking forward to doing stepping stones. I hope to do a pond this summer using the brick mold. I appreciate any and all help I receive from all of you. I have a 23 yr. old daughter stationed in England in the air force and was lucky enough to get to travel there and actually see some of the work done in their churches. My husband is a machinist and he helps me out by building my cabinets( in which stained glass panels go) and supplying the brass rods for my outside pieces. Best to all of you and for all your help. Mary A. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 21:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #35 Sue Prullage Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.16415.0> Precedence: bulk Well here I go. I am a 41 year old married woman with two adult children. My husband supports my habit, but doesn't really do it. He did just built me a beautiful work bench. It is a wonder how great it is to create things in a nice big space. I work a regular day job as a pediatric nurse practitioner in the Midwest. Most of my stained glass time is in the evening or weekends. I have always loved stained glass, but didn't know how to get into making it. One of my friends wanted me to help her pick out colors for a stained glass window that she was going to commission. I went to the shop and fell in love. Started taking glass the next week and haven't stop since, that was ~ 4 years ago. I have become very good friends with the shop owner and now we travel together. We both are considering buying kilns (thus my question about what kind of kiln everyone had) and are going to the hot glass horizon in October. My friend has asked me to help her teach some class in the fall. I consider that a compliment. I think of doing glass as a tier, beginner, teacher and master. Maybe someday I will be a master. I consider most everyone of the bungi group as masters. My favorite stained glass work is doing panels and lamps. Jewelry boxes are still a challenge for me. I love to draw my own designs. I have done several panels that are unique to my customer. Well that is about it. Thanks, Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 21:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pattern Book Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:53:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199807130318.XAA09546@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have any advice on pattern books? I have collected about 12 > orginal patterns that are unique and would probably be attractive to the > hobbyist market. Several of my fellow glass-mates feel that I should try to > publish. I don't have a clue. Is it worth it to pursue? Is there money is > pattern books? As a publisher (yes that, too) I'd have to say that since you've "collected" them, they're already copyrighted by those who created them to begin with, so you can't publish them without violating that copyright. Or do I misunderstand what you've said? Are they patterns you've created or patterns others have made that you collected? Albert Art in Architecture Press, Inc. 54 Cherry Street, North Adams MA 01247 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 http://www.aiap.com/ [Home Page] http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ [2700+ Glass Books!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 22:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 21:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: jroey@juno.com (jerri m Roey) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: shelf primer stuck to glass Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul12.2036.0> Precedence: bulk >Jerri wrote: > >Any suggestions on how to remove shelf primer >that stuck to the glass in the kiln? Ugh. Also, >how do you know when to reapply shelf primer. >The last time I used the kiln, everything was >fine. This time everything stuck. I've used the >shelf paper. It's really nice, but kind of pricey, >especially compared to primer. >Jerri (aka Scrub Scrub) Hotline makes a product called "Wash-Away". Contains glycolic, sulfamic & citric acids. Instructions say to use full strength on the residue or on a metal scouring pad. I've used this product and it works well. Ed Hoy's carries it... if you do not have a wholesale account with them, they will direct you to a dealer in your area. Hope this helps! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 12 23:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "suzy@comcat.com" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: PASS no judgement!!!!! Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:28:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.152847.0> Precedence: bulk Not the cost and at this stage of my life I can afford most pleasures I desire, but after deep soul searching...we could not justify another cat...NEW Stickley furniture, new custom made upholstered couch, Morris chair, white carpeting and so forth. Also do not want to de-claw a cat either.... Also we hope to be traveling in 2 years and not fair to leave a cat home alone. It was a tough decision not to do it. I borrowed a neighbors Bengal for a while just to have a cat around, and after being cat less it is nice to leave doors open and not worry about E's allergies due to dander and cat hair. Still miss the felines, however and I sometimes cat sit for friends... weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 00:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Sprintmail.com!MollysGlass From: Molly Keys To: BOB DUCHESNEAU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cats for profit Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:27:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.172711.0> References: <<199807120638.CAA12800@mime3.prodigy.com>> Precedence: bulk Bob, I agree with you on the subject of cats. I have a 17 year old cat named Samantha and she has spent many a day and night in my studio with me. She has been the subject for many of my stained glass windows and they do not stay in the inventory very long. She is black and white and currently asleep under my feet in my computer closet as I type this. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents. Molly Keys BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > Recently I was looking around my studio and thinking of what was > helping to bring in the rent money. The kilns and beveling equipment > have long since paid for themselves and generate a constant stream of > income. As I write the large kiln is firing bent glass lamp panels > for a long term client who makes very fancy chandlers. A bevel order > came in today that will provide an income that after expenses that is > 80% labor (skill) charge. > > Not a few smaller tools have proven to be good investments. The came > bender (actualy the second one) has seen noble service as have a lot > of other things. Then my cat Freeway looked up from his current > favorite spot. > > Freeway turned up ten years ago and lived in the attic for a few > months before he was invited inside. What a moneymaker he has been. > With two exceptions he has been most welcome to prospective clients. > For years now he has greeted people that show up at the door. > Oftentimes the first few minutes of conversation that we have is on > the subject of cats. > > Having covered the common ground of cats it is time to move on to > business. I find that I can communicate with people on business > matters better when I know a little something about them and I am > sure that my prospective clients feel the same way. Well, Freeway > provides this ice breaking and I am sure that many commissions have > come to me due to this. So I say, get a cat to raise your profit > margins. Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 > *If they were not ment to be fleeced, then why were they created > sheep?* > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 06:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "scott floyd" , Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: ring saw... Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:32:32 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul14.43232.0> Precedence: bulk I would second that. Taurus II Ring saw anytime. :) But remember that is the only saw I have tried. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my -----Original Message----- From: scott floyd To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 7:58 AM Subject: RE: ring saw... > Re:SAW... well the ring saw i use is hard to cut straight because it >cuts so fast, but i dont ever use it for straight lines.....just use my >cutter.... > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 07:50:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: polishing rocks for glass projects Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:00:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.1401.0> Precedence: bulk Mike, as a new bungi member, I have slowly been making my way through the archives. I had my brother cut about 10 lbs of stones for me with is tile saw. They came out very interesting and I am sure I will be able to find a use for them. In this archive you mention that you just bought a bevel max and implied that you can use it to polish stones, could you please explain. Thanks cj >From archives (mike's message): i have a lapidary saw a 6" gemstone. it does'nt cut flat glass well it tends to crack do to vibration. however it should be able to cut thicker glass like dalle glass that 1" stuff. i was hoping to be able to cut bottles on that thing, but apparently i can'nt. but i can cut rocks and i just got the bevel max, so i should be able to polish my agates. BTW you would'nt happen to have a catalog taht sells decent uncut or cut agates would you? the only polished agates i found are at meuseums or fleamarkets. and uncut's, once at a zinc mine. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 08:19:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:00:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: PATTERN BOOKS Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:52:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul12.135219.0> Precedence: bulk Albert, yes I have created these patterns myself. I can understand where the choice of "collected" was confusing. I mean they all have a common presentation or theme...something like you would see in a pattern book. They are unique in that there are no pattern books for this area, but I do believe they would make great hobbiest patterns. Easy to medium difficulty. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 08:36:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Help with a stepping stone class Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul13.6511.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:AlexG2@aol.com >Does anyone have any ideas for projects or patterns?< A sun is a very good pattern to do, either with pre-cut pieces (simple circle and some triangles) or as a free-form using scrap glass pieces. Also (more difficult) a moon 'n' stars pattern is good. So is an abstract wave pattern. You might also want to use scrap mirror pieces. These add a delightful touch of whimsy to a piece. Good luck. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 13:46:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: jerri m Roey Subject: Re: shelf primer stuck to glass Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 19:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul13.20513.0> References: <<1998Jul12.12846.0@?>> Precedence: bulk In message <1998Jul12.12846.0@?>, jerri m Roey writes > Any suggestions on how to remove shelf primer that stuck to the >glass in the kiln? Ugh. Others will (I hope) give suggestions I can use too! >Also, how do you know when to reapply shelf >primer. The last time I used the kiln, everything was fine. This time >everything stuck. Some would replace ths primer every time. I do this for batt wash, but for the proprietary primers, I have found it safe to fuse no more than 3 times, although painting and slumping could go to 6 firings. But another really inexpensive separater is whiting. Spread a layer, say a quarter of an inch thick with a flour sifter or similar (to ensure you have no big lumps), then smooth with a piece of glass, or merely push(or settle) the piece to be fused into the whiting. Works really well, especially if you have fired the kiln to about 450 degrees fahrenheit to remove any moisture. steve -- Steve Richard Verrier Art Glass Ltd s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 14:14:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:05:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: polishing agates Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul13.11510.0> References: <<1998Jul11.235151.0>> Precedence: bulk Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > Mike, as a new bungi member, I have slowly been making my way through the > archives. I had my brother cut about 10 lbs of stones for me with is tile > saw. They came out very interesting and I am sure I will be able to find a > use for them. In this archive you mention that you just bought a bevel max > and implied that you can use it to polish stones, could you please explain. > Thanks cj > > >From archives (mike's message): > i have a lapidary saw a 6" gemstone. it does'nt cut flat glass well it > tends to crack do to vibration. however it should be able to cut thicker > glass like dalle glass that 1" stuff. i was hoping to be able to cut > bottles on that thing, but apparently i can'nt. but i can cut rocks and > i just got the bevel max, so i should be able to polish my agates. BTW > you would'nt happen to have a catalog taht sells decent uncut or cut > agates would you? the only polished agates i found are at meuseums or > fleamarkets. and uncut's, once at a zinc mine. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass when i first got the saw (actually before), i asked the people who made it, "can it polish agates?" they said yes, and i bought it. problem is you really can't, you can level it off with the diamond wheel, but not much else. the paper discs tend to rip really easily and you can't get a good hold on the stone. as far as i can tell the bevel max can't polish agates (unless, maybe, just maybe, there very small.) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 14:17:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: glass saw Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul13.11548.0> References: <<1998Jul12.53837.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > > I am considering buying a glass saw, either band or ring saw. I see > replacement grommets offered with each. How ofter must these be > replaced? > I'm told that cutting a streight line with a ring saw is difficult. > What has your experience been? > TIA > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass cutting a straight line on any kind of bandsaw will be difficult. a guide would be need for both. the ringsaw people say that the grommets will wear out pretty fast, with a new blade. when the blade is very sharp and new. once the blade "smooths" out a bit, the grommets should wear longer. mine are still holding up pretty well... in anycase, you can cut in any direction with the ringsaw, and you have one of the larges working areas. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 14:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: PATTERN BOOKS Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:05:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199807131931.PAA14744@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Albert, yes I have created these patterns myself. I can understand where > the choice of "collected" was confusing. Yes, I was confused. Thanks for the clarification. And good luck with the book project! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 13 17:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Bio #36 Mary Austin Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807131653.JAA20262@ns2.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Dear Mary, I was truely touched by your bio. God bless you! Smiles, Cindy > >My name is Mary Austin. I live in Indiana. > >I've been doing stained glass for about 4 years now. I'm legally blind and >thankfully work using a large magnifying light that was donated from where >my husband works. I love doing panels, windows and am looking forward to >doing stepping stones. I hope to do a pond this summer using the brick mold. >I appreciate any and all help I receive from all of you. I have a 23 yr. old >daughter stationed in England in the air force and was lucky enough to get >to travel there and actually see some of the work done in their churches. > >My husband is a machinist and he helps me out by building my >cabinets( in which stained glass panels go) and supplying the brass rods for >my outside pieces. Best to all of you and for all your help. > > >Mary A. > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 01:34:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: cut agates Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul13.7231.0> Precedence: bulk >i just got the bevel max, so i should be able to polish my agates. BTW >you would'nt happen to have a catalog taht sells decent uncut or cut >agates would you? the only polished agates i found are at meuseums or >fleamarkets. and uncut's, once at a zinc mine. Whitmore-Durgin used to sell cut and polished agates at a good price. I don't know if they still do, I haven't gotten their catalog for a while. Russ hilleker@citadel.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 04:38:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cut agates Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:08:39 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul14.11839.0> Precedence: bulk >i just got the bevel max, so i should be able to polish my agates. BTW >you would'nt happen to have a catalog taht sells decent uncut or cut >agates would you? the only polished agates i found are at meuseums or >fleamarkets. and uncut's, once at a zinc mine. >> I have a catalog from Fire Mountain Gems that has a page of agate cabachons. They have blue agate, lace agate, botswana, crazy lace, green, indian mixed and tree agates. Sizes run from 6 x 4 mm up to 40 x 30 mm. You can order a catlog on-line at firemtn.com or toll free at 800-292-3473. For uncut try Olympic Mountain Gems on-line at omgems.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 05:41:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Catalog Sales Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:09:11 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul10.21911.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all- Does anyone have any experience getting their work in catalogs? I have designed a couple of pieces that I know would do well in specialty catalogs.. I have done a few trunk shows (I do glass jewlery and small "cold glass" work)I have sold many pieces in gallerys and artsy type stores-- I have not done any art fairs, but I am very nervous (yet excited) about moving on to bigger and bettter.. Someone (Christie?) posted awhile back about doing a wholesale show and that really got me excited, I would love the oppurtunity, but am new to "promoting" myself as a serious artist. I guess its time to make the leap, and not look back. Any feedback would be delightful! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 07:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 07:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cut agates Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul14.62410.0> References: <<1998Jul13.7231.0>> Precedence: bulk HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > > >i just got the bevel max, so i should be able to polish my agates. BTW > >you would'nt happen to have a catalog taht sells decent uncut or cut > >agates would you? the only polished agates i found are at meuseums or > >fleamarkets. and uncut's, once at a zinc mine. > > Whitmore-Durgin used to sell cut and polished agates at a good price. > I don't know if they still do, I haven't gotten their catalog for a > while. > > Russ > hilleker@citadel.edu > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's still in all their catalogs. but there always either sold out, or they don't exist. you would think they would at least cross it out as a choice... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 09:51:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: morn@nac.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cut agates Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:08:58 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul14.16858.0> Precedence: bulk We do have around 400 sliced agates in stock, unfortunately while they are all attractive, they are separated by size and not by color. We have small, medium and large, and they are natural, blue, purple and pink ( I'm pretty sure that is what is left). If you are interested, let me know and I'll get you more specific information. Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithglass.com stnglass@meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 10:16:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Vinyl Cutters Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:17:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul14.21724.0> Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk We are about to take the plunge and purchase a vinyl cutter for our shop. It will be a 24" one since that's the max size the mini-passer takes, and second of all we cannot afford anything larger. Anyone have any opinions on the various makes out there? TIA Dave -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://www.artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 10:30:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Catalog Sales Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:15:13 -0700 Message-ID: <199807141515.IAA07007@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Mary, I don't have experience in getting into catalogues, but my guess is it's not that different than getting into juried shows. First, I'd target a catalog (sounds like you've already done that), phone them, talk to their head buyer and get info...do they jury continually, or for specific seasonal catalogs...what do they look for...quality, quantity, price points Send them exactly what they ask for. My guess is that it's also important to demonstrate that you are organized enough to produce the item(s) chosen in quantity, so make sure you include that in your written promo stuff that you would send with your samples. Good luck, >Hi all- >Does anyone have any experience getting their work in catalogs? >I have designed a couple of pieces that I know would do well in >specialty catalogs.. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 11:29:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aracnet.net!bigcreek From: Wayne Parks To: Dave & Lynn Loda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-UNICODE-2-0-UTF-7 Subject: Re: Vinyl Cutters Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul14.10134.0> References: <<1998Jul14.21724.0>> Organization: Big Creek Studio Precedence: bulk Dave: Have been using a Vinyl cutter for several years to cut resist for abrasive etching. I am using a Mimaki "My Cut" that I chose after a lot of research into various cutters. For me width of cut was not as important as the ability to cut very small letters. The Mimaki was the clear winner in this category cutting letters as small as .125". The Roland Camm-1, the other cutter that even came close to the Mimaki, was the runner up. One consideration when choosing size, other than the initial capital cost, is the cost of vinyl. Of course all programs offer the ability to tile, so width of cut is not that important. If you have any further questions please contact me directly. Wayne Parks Big Creek Studio bigcreek@aracnet.net To bring the dead to life Is no great magic. Few are wholly dead: Blow on a dead mans embers And a live flame will start. Robert Graves ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 12:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: balloch@netbridge.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cut agates Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:12:30 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul14.191230.0> Precedence: bulk Okay.. here goes pricing: Small slices of agate range from 1.5" to 2" wide and are $1.00 each. Medium slices of agate range from 2.5" to 3" wide and are $1.75 each. Large slices of agate range from 3.5" to 5" wide and are $2.50 each. Again, the colors we have in stock currently are teal, blue, pink (more like fuschia), purple and natural (varying shades of brown). Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithglass.com stnglass@meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 14 13:31:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Catalog Sales Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul14.104629.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Mary Cooper" >Hi all- Does anyone have any experience getting their work in catalogs? I have designed a couple of pieces that I know would do well in = specialty catalogs.. I have done a few trunk shows (I do glass jewlery and small "cold glass" = work)I have sold many pieces in gallerys and artsy type stores-- I have = not done any art fairs, but I am very nervous (yet excited) about moving = on to bigger and bettter.. Someone (Christie?) posted awhile back about doing a wholesale show and = that really got me excited, I would love the oppurtunity, but am new to = "promoting" myself as a serious artist. I guess its time to make the leap, and not look back. Any feedback would be delightful!< Christie here. If you want to hit the catalog people, you need to do the Gift Shows. These are product shows only open to gallery, museum, catalog, and retail store owners. There are a number of shows which specifically target catalog owners. These include most of the shows promoted by Fairchild Urban Expositions. These include the Philadelphia Gift Show, the Columbus (Ohio) Gift Show, and the Chicago Gift Show. For more information, contact: Fairchild Urban Exposition 5500 Interstate North Parkway, Suite 520 Atlanta, GA 30328 Karin Schwab 1-800-318-2238 (she's in charge of the August Columbus show)= email: FUE@fairchildpub.com I am doing the August Columbus Gift show. This will be my second wholesale show, and the first gift show. There are major differences between a Gift Show and a juried Hand-Made Wholesale Show, such as the Rosen Groups' Buyer's Market of American Craft. Gift shows include imported items as well as hand-crafted goods. Gift shows are not necessarily juried. Most time= s they just let in companies until they have every booth space filled. Gift shows do not necessarily have limits on the number of companies allowed in per craft category (i.e. only 100 potters, 100 glass craftspeople, 100 fabric artists, etc.). In this Columbus Gift show, I was allowed in without sending in any photos of my work, and was told they did not have specific limits for the number of glass artists in the show. However, there was someone from this show who attended the other wholesale show I did (Market Square's Traditional American Craft show), and they did see my work and ask me if I would be interested in doing the Columbus show. So I'm not clear about the jurying that actually goes on with Gift shows. I do know that the Rosen Group's shows are highly juried, only allow in hand-made in American goods, and require that the artist actually run the booth. Gift shows allow manufacturer's representatives to run the booth. So, know something about the show before you go appying to them. I attended wholesale shows for 2 years as a buyer prior to becoming a supplier. Christie A. Wood, Art Glass Ensembles 4013 Skippack Pike, P.O.Box 903, Skippack, PA 19474-0903 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 01:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Making Bevels Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:53:05 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.23535.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Guys Been folowing the Bevel chat. Something regarding the bevel came up yesterday and I had to jump into the discussion. A friend was going to Singapore yesterday so I asked him to get me eight pieces of 1" x 4" corner bevels. Stupid me, I did not get the price earlier and did not tell my friend (who knows nothing about stained glass) not to buy if too expensive. Anyway, my good brought me the bevels, and a bill of about US$ 40.00 (at current exchange rates) I dont know if bevels are that expensive, but certainly it has bloated my cost for the panel. I could have used some other textured glass for the same effect at much lower cost. I don't think that I have been had, for the supplier (who is also IGGA member- Reggie Lim from Singapore) has laways given me a good price. The point of my story is: Can we make our own bevels? How. Could someone give a brief outline of the procedure? Or suggest a book, or send a photocopy of any article from any book or magazine? PS. What's the cost of 1"x4" corner bevel in U.S. ? Thanks a million. Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 01:35:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: SGAA Reference & Technical Manual Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:58:18 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.235818.0> Precedence: bulk Been to the SGAA Home page, and read about the SGAA Reference & Technical manual. Has anyone read it? A review and recommendations would profit many, I am sure. Thanks Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 05:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 04:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: kiln molds Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:30:32 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.03032.0> Precedence: bulk I am new into kiln production. I was wondering if everyone that has a kiln buys premade molds or do they improvise. I would love to hear about different things that can be used as potential molds. I also was wondering about kiln painting. I haven't bought any paints yet and I was unsure which brand is best. Any suggestions? Thanks, Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 06:11:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 05:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: kiln molds Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:57:01 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul16.4571.0> Precedence: bulk I would be interested too. In fact buying a kiln has been the biggest temptation these days. I would like to even add to Sue's request. What would be the basic fused glass (kiln) kit. Could some one give a list of Starter Kit for Kiln work. Much like Mike's Stained Glass Starter kit at his wonderful Home Page. Just Started Home Page: Visit if you have nothing else to do. But docome back, things certainly will change. Planning on adding photos of myself, studio and some works. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:24 PM Subject: kiln molds >I am new into kiln production. I was wondering if everyone that has a >kiln buys premade molds or do they improvise. I would love to hear >about different things that can be used as potential molds. I also was >wondering about kiln painting. I haven't bought any paints yet and I >was unsure which brand is best. Any suggestions? Thanks, Sue >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 08:24:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Making Bevels Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:19:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199807151247.IAA05860@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > The point of my story is: Can we make our own bevels? How. Could someone > give a brief outline of the procedure? Or suggest a book, or send a > photocopy of any article from any book or magazine? There's a book search tool on the Guild's home page at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Just type in whatever you're looking for and Amazon.com lists what's available. If you order anything, the Guild gets a commission of 5%. If you go directly to Amazon.com and do the same thing, the Guild gets nothing. Oh, I just tried it and turned up Vincent Fox's book ... which is out of print. Nothing else around, I guess. No, there's "How to Work in Beveled Glass" by Seymour and Anita Isenberg, which I found in the Guild's pages at http://www.aiap.com/amazon/amazon29.htm but it's also unavailable. Okay, then. You could try the used book sellers, starting with whitehouse-books.com which specializes in glass books. But yes, you can make your own bevels. There are certainly a number of manufacturers of beveling equipment, both serious-sized and hobby level. Some of them are: Covington Engineering Corporation, 715 West Colton Avenue, PO Box 35, Redlands CA 92373. Phone: (909) 793-6636. Fx: (909) 793-7641. Denver Glass Machinery, 2800 S. Shoshone Street, Englewood CO 80110. Phone: (303) 781-0980. (303) 781-0982. Fx: (303) 781-9067. see also Denver's discount to Guild members at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm Diamond Tech International, 4002 W. State Street, Tampa FL 33609. Phone: (813) 872-4404. (800) 937-9593. Fx: (813) 872-6288. E-mail: dti@digital.net Web site: http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti Gemstone Equipment Manufacturing Co., 750 Easy Street, Simi Valley CA 93065. Phone: (805) 527-6990. (800) 235-3375. Fx: (805) 526-7603. Glastar, 20721 Marilla Street, Chatsworth CA 91311. Phone: (813) 341-0301. (800) 423-5635. Fx: (818)998-2078. and so on. Some of them might even have books, manuals, guides, etc. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 09:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Making Bevels Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.23617.0> Precedence: bulk There are some glass grinders that come with attachment kits used to make bevels. The kit usually contains a sort of mini lap wheel. The one I have is the Diamond Max/Bevel Max (from Diamond Tech as mentioned in Albert's mail). I have practiced some on it, but I have earned a new respect for those who make bevels. I'm sure the professionals have superior equipment, but making bevels is not easy. I have not used any bevels I've made in a project. I have not yet decided if that's where I want to spend my precious glass hours because it takes (me anyway) a lot of time. L. Spangler On Wednesday, July 15, 1998 12:20 AM, Albert Lewis [SMTP:alewis@vgernet.net] wrote: > > > The point of my story is: Can we make our own bevels? How. Could someone > > give a brief outline of the procedure? Or suggest a book, or send a > > photocopy of any article from any book or magazine? > > There's a book search tool on the Guild's home page at > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ > Just type in whatever you're looking for and Amazon.com lists what's > available. If you order anything, the Guild gets a commission of 5%. > If you go directly to Amazon.com and do the same thing, the Guild > gets nothing. > > Oh, I just tried it and turned up Vincent Fox's book ... which is out > of print. Nothing else around, I guess. No, there's "How to Work in > Beveled Glass" by Seymour and Anita Isenberg, which I found in the > Guild's pages at > http://www.aiap.com/amazon/amazon29.htm > but it's also unavailable. > > Okay, then. You could try the used book sellers, starting with > whitehouse-books.com > which specializes in glass books. > > But yes, you can make your own bevels. There are certainly a number > of manufacturers of beveling equipment, both serious-sized and hobby > level. Some of them are: > > Covington Engineering Corporation, 715 West Colton Avenue, > PO Box 35, Redlands CA 92373. Phone: (909) > 793-6636. Fx: (909) 793-7641. > > Denver Glass Machinery, 2800 S. Shoshone Street, > Englewood CO 80110. Phone: (303) 781-0980. (303) > 781-0982. Fx: (303) 781-9067. > > see also Denver's discount to Guild members at > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm > > Diamond Tech International, 4002 W. State Street, Tampa FL > 33609. Phone: (813) 872-4404. (800) 937-9593. > Fx: (813) 872-6288. E-mail: dti@digital.net Web > site: http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti > > Gemstone Equipment Manufacturing Co., 750 Easy Street, > Simi Valley CA 93065. Phone: (805) 527-6990. > (800) 235-3375. Fx: (805) 526-7603. > > Glastar, 20721 Marilla Street, Chatsworth CA 91311. Phone: > (813) 341-0301. (800) 423-5635. Fx: > (818)998-2078. > > and so on. Some of them might even have books, manuals, guides, etc. > > Albert > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 10:23:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intel.com!lynice.spangler From: "Spangler, Lynice" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: kiln molds Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:46:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.24620.0> Precedence: bulk In answer to the mold question, stainless steel (bowls, plates, etc.) work well for slumping *over*. I have acquired some interesting pieces from Goodwill for this purpose (not sure if they have Goodwill in India, but it's basically a second-hand store). For slumping *in*, I make molds using a mixture of a very fine vermiculite and fondu cement and water. I don't have the actual bags in front of me so I don't have product names, but I could only find this stuff at a local contractor's building supply (not Home Depot). We needed a business license to shop there. After mixing this stuff together to a consistency of mud, I slap it on a form (like an upside down bowl) and pat it out to make sure most air bubbles are out. Let is dry for 24 hours. Bake it in the oven at 250F for 12 hours. Kiln wash the inside, and fire to 1000. It may take a few iterations of sanding, kiln washing, firing to get it to the texture (smoothness) you want. There's also a Boyce Lundstrom book on the subject. It's the 3rd in his fusing series. On Wednesday, July 15, 1998 5:57 AM, Shakeel Abedi [SMTP:shakeel@tm.net.my] wrote: > I would be interested too. In fact buying a kiln has been the biggest > temptation these days. > I would like to even add to Sue's request. > What would be the basic fused glass (kiln) kit. > > Could some one give a list of Starter Kit for Kiln work. Much like Mike's > Stained Glass Starter kit at his wonderful Home Page. > > Just Started Home Page: Visit if you have nothing else to do. > But docome back, things certainly will change. > Planning on adding photos of myself, studio and some works. > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ > Shakeel Abedi > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Johor > Malaysia > Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 > shakeel@tm.net.my > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Prullage > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 1998 8:24 PM > Subject: kiln molds > > > >I am new into kiln production. I was wondering if everyone that has a > >kiln buys premade molds or do they improvise. I would love to hear > >about different things that can be used as potential molds. I also was > >wondering about kiln painting. I haven't bought any paints yet and I > >was unsure which brand is best. Any suggestions? Thanks, Sue > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 10:51:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, shakeel@tm.net.my Subject: Making Bevels Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:25:23, -0500 Message-ID: <199807151725.NAA17610@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>The point of my story is: Can we make our own bevels? How. Could someone give a brief outline of the procedure? Or suggest a book, or send a photocopy of any article from any book or magazine? PS. What's the cost of 1"x4" corner bevel in U.S. ?<< Get Vincent Fox's book *Glass Beveling* for the best I know of rundown on glass beveling. Denver Glass Machinery has reprinted it. It is also available (original edition) from Hollander LA if you have a wholesale account there. The subject of glass beveling is a big one. Even if you never get into beveling Fox's book will make you a lot smarter and allow you to use beveled glass to greater advantage. I assume you are referring to 1" X 4" mitered corner bevels. They retail for about US$2.00 in the US and are mostly made in Taiwan. I recommend you do not buy into a small beveling outfit until and unless you can try one out and prove to yourself that it will actually do what it is advertised to do and what you want to do. Bob,who needs to get a bevel project out NOW. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *If they were not ment to be fleeced, then why were they created sheep?* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 12:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!marycooper From: "Mary Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: kiln molds Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:16:53 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul15.191653.0> Precedence: bulk Look carefully at the "Floral Former" a free-form mold for slumping into a vase shape. Its actually very similar to the tin you get when you order a milkshake. And actually I have used that tin, a stainless vessel, sanded down then coated in kiln wash. Works great. (got mine free from the local ice cream shop, the were gonna toss it because of a dent in the lip that wouldnt allow it to fit on their blender) Try a local ceramics supplier, they offer greenware that can be used as molds too-I have several shallow bowls that I use. They don't stand a lot of firing, but hey-they're cheap. I "prefire" any greenware to get the last bits of moisture out that may be in it from the slip. Allways coat with several layers of kilnwash and let dry thourougly, then sand LIGHTLY. Don't breathe this stuff in. Fiber Blanket can be fun and inventive, too. Have Fun! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 16:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Non-s.g. Thanks Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:12:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199807152315.AAA14855@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hi All, ...for what it's worth... I am back in UK from Sweden..... I have about 130 personal off-group messages from you all. All containing affection and support. Will reply to them all ..... one-by-one..... There was just not ONE single "cyber-cafe" in sight for 100's of miles.... Thank you ALL so much! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ( the latter - who was rather "cheesed off") ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 16:59:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!mrsdesigns From: "Michele Spruill" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: gift shows etc. Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:27:17 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul15.172717.0> Precedence: bulk I read with interest Mary's message yesterday about catalog sales. Christie brought up some good thoughts about the Wholesale and Gift shows. I have been playing in some craft fairs lately and had read about the gift shows in a directory of shows. I want to attend The Philadelphia Gift Show to look around, and there is one in York,PA as well. I agree one should know about a show before participating. What do the promotors require for identification to be admitted as a buyer to these kind of shows? Michele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 18:31:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Kiln work Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:28:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.12821.0> Precedence: bulk Also, if you don't care how long a mold lasts. I did a project that required about 50-60 leaves. I made the molds from plaster of paris...just molding it with my hands. The largest piece was 3" in diameter. Once fired, the plaster does break apart, but since I wanted to form the leaves individually, this worked well for me. I have since then purchased refractory plaster. I was told it would last for multiple firings, it doesn't dry as fast as plaster of paris, so you can work with it. However, because I am not pouring my molds, but forming them with my hands, the refractory plaster also cracks after one firing, but not as much as plaster of paris. Also I can cut out forms from many different materials such as stryrofoam, and then build the mold from a starting point. I also have purchased greenware from a local ceramic store. It is amazing the shapes and ideas that will come from looking at the obvious in a total different point of view. Greenware works better for draping than slumping. Be sure to drill a few air holes in a large plate or bowl. I also prefire. Stainless steel spoons make great leaves and flower petal forms. I use Hot-line shelf primer on everything. I use Spray A to prevent divitrification (sp?). While I started with Gil Reynolds book on Fusing, this is a technique that requires experimentation. Every time I do something inventive, I know that I may have to work it out over a period of time. Kiln work requires patience and problem solving skills. Every type of glass or form has its own subtle requirements. But it is a thrill to form glass into a flower that really looks real! cj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 15 20:04:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: Sue Prullage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: kiln molds.glass paints Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:27:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.182749.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Sue- We do tons of glass painting at our studio and use as our "bible" the = book entitled "The Art of Painting on Glass" by Albinus Elskus. For his technique, Reusche glass paints are best - you don't get the blotchy effect of the cheaper brands which are fine for suncatchers but not much else - they're pricey, but worth it if you plan to do a lot of painting. The company should be listed in the IGGA Sources guide - let me know if you need more info and I'll dig it up. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 00:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Charles Warner" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Information about SGAA Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:31:12 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul16.213112.0> Precedence: bulk Charles, The SGAA site is at: http://www.stainedglass.org/ The SGAA Reference & Technical Manual is at: http://www.stainedglass.org/reference.html The review of the manual by IGGA is at: http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/sgaa.htm Just Started Home Page: Visit if you have nothing else to do. But docome back, things certainly will change. Planning on adding photos of myself, studio and some works. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 07:09:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: gift shows etc. Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:07:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul16.574.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Michele Spruill" >I want to attend The Philadelphia Gift Show to look around, and there is= = one in York,PA as well. I agree one should know about a show before = participating. What do the promotors require for identification to be = admitted as a buyer to these kind of shows?< At least 3 types of business identification. These include business license, business checking account proof (such as a check), business card= , state resell license (state tax id), copy of a Yellow Pages ad, etc. For= some shows you also have to have a photo id to pick up the badge, just so= that someone else cannot claim they are you. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 07:37:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 06:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New Website Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:22:47 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul16.132247.0> Precedence: bulk Hey there! I'd like to ask you all to do me a favor if you could. I've been working on the new version of our website for almost 7 months now, and it has just gone up! It has full online catalog with ordering capabilities, and wholesale customers that have qualified with us can use a password to access their wholesale pricing and order online! The pictures of the products aren't up yet (will be adding many every day for the next couple of weeks), but there are full descriptions and all of the pricing. We have a free pattern (in time to become a pattern archive), LIVE chat (not message board style, but LIVE) coming August 1, and much more. Anyway, long story short, now that it is up, I'd love it if you would take a look and tell me what you think (anything could be better? another feature you'd like? etc.) Let me know if you catch programming flaws too, though I think we've caught all of those already. The secure ordering will be effective early next week as we are currently waiting on our secure certificate to come from somewhere in South Africa. Meanwhile, take a peek around and let me know what you think! Thanks for your time! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass http://www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 07:41:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Beveling,making your own Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:59:08 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul16.13598.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Shakeel, As Bob has already said beveling is a whole new subject. there are many machines to do the job, some are good others aren't so good. I have found that small outfits like the bevelmax are ok after a lot of practice to make cut-offs to make a certain bevel fit, but as far as real beveling they can't cut it. They are difficult to make any curve on and it takes a lot of time. If you are really serious about beveling the book by Vince Fox is the best and the other book by the Isenbergs is also a good choice. Vince actually explains how to make the equipment if you have the know how and the means to do so ,(Not Easy,believe me trust me on that one).Vince taught me the art and I love it .GOOD LUCK any questions let me know. Beveler4(Stan) P.S. These are the only two books that I have ever found on the subject of beveling if anyone out there knows of any others please let me know. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 09:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Apprentice wanted Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199807161422.KAA26490@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Southern New Jersey Architectural Glass studio is actively seeking individual interested in apprenticing with nationally known glass artist. Individual must possess experience in leadwork and all major technical aspects of glass. And must be physically able to work with large structures. Interested applicants please email copy of current resume to artglass@waterw.com for more information. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 16:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: kiln molds/glass paints Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:05:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul16.1552.0> Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Albert Lewis", INTERNET:alewis@vgernet.net TO: "Michael J. Greer", GreerStudios DATE: 7/16/98 5:34 AM RE: Re: kiln molds.glass paints Sender: alewis@vgernet.net Received: from vger.vgernet.net (vgernet.net [205.219.186.1]) by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.12) with ESMTP id FAA07262 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:34:30 -0400 (EDT)= Received: from adams.bcn.net (napm6.vgernet.net [208.144.209.36]) by vger.vgernet.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA06408 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:09:46 -0400 (EDT)= Message-Id: <199807161109.HAA06408@vger.vgernet.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Albert Lewis" To: "Michael J. Greer" Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 05:40:51 +0000 Subject: Re: kiln molds.glass paints X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Albert Lewis" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) > technique, Reusche glass paints ... > to do a lot of painting. The company > should be listed in the IGGA Sources > guide - let me know if you need more > info and I'll dig it up. But it is, Dani! http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guider.htm Although I get the impression they don't sell direct any longer, only = through distributors: Reusche & Co. of T.W.S., Inc., 1299 H Street, Greeley CO 80631. Phone: (970) 346-8577. Fax: (970) 346-8575. = Paint, painting kits, manufacturer. Paint brushes, fusing and painting enamels. Distributed by: Fenton Glass Studio, Ed Hoy's, S.A. Bendheim, Hudson Glass, and McGill Warehouse in the US, Australian Stained Glass Supplies (Australia), Decorative Glass Supplies (England), Creative Glass MHS AG (Switzerland), Artistic Glass (Canada), Kaleido Glass (Canada), Artisans du Vitral (Canada), A.T.V. (Italy), and James Hetley & Co., Ltd. (England). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 17:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Klmxklm From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Glass Patterns Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:15:48 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul16.231548.0> Precedence: bulk Hi All: Does anyone happen to have an E-mail address (or URL) for "West of the Moon"? Thanks! "Mike" Mikolajczak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 18:44:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:09:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oregontrail.net!dterry From: Douglas R Terry To: "bungie." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: beveled mirror Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:00:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul16.800.0> Precedence: bulk I need a beveled mirror oval shape approx. 10 or 12" by 16" (a stock size near this would work.) I think approx. 3/8 to 1/2" thick. This is for a base for a blown glass piece I am making. If someone has a supplier, preferably in the US West Coast, but any US address would work. I don't normally use this type of item, so if someone could give me what a reasonable price might be, and any tips on using it. I plan to glue the piece to the mirror with ultraviolet glue. If there are problems with this, please let me know. Douglas Terry (from the Alps of Oregon) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 16 19:04:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flinet.com!kenneil From: Ken Neil To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: subscribe Please Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk I am back in town and looking forward to receiving bungi. Thank you Brenda ******************************************************************** Been There........ Done That! Ken Neil Jupiter, Florida ******************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 17 15:40:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Antique Photographic Glass Negatives Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul17.82134.0> Precedence: bulk Hi all. I've got a client who has about 300 antique (1915-1916) photographic glass plate negatives she's inherited. We have worked out a unique way of using them in a lampshade, but I need to do some research on preservation of these negatives before I will take the order. Are there any special precautions I need to take when using these glass negative plates in the construction of a lampshade? It looks like the negative images were created using the old silver negatives technique. One side has the negative; one side is glass. Looks like it's 1/8" thick. I am planning on plating the negatives on top of a piece of Spectrum Ivory swirl glass, so that the antique negatives are not directly exposed to the light bulb. Do I need to prepare the negative with some kind of sealant such as mirror sealant? Are there certain fluxes I should avoid? Is it OK to expose these negatives to water during the clean-up process? If anyone out there can help, I would appreciate it greatly! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 17 19:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Antique Photographic Glass Negatives Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:01:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199807180332.XAA18505@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > but I need to do some research on preservation of these > negatives before I will take the order. Julie Sloan suggests that you "plate" the emulsion side with clear glass to keep water away from it. She says other such projects have resulted in the emulsion (and the images) just being washed away by rain and sun, although those were exterior applications. Are the photos themselves worth anything? I'd suggest checking on that first. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 00:38:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: SGAA Reference & Technical Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul15.173622.0> Precedence: bulk I was fortunate enough to have an expert librarian assist me. He did an inter-library loan (don't know if available outside USA). It took a couple of weeks to find it and ship it to him. When it arrived I was absolutely astonished. It is a huge book over 3 inches thick and is beautifully illustrated. It covers all aspects of stained glass, history, kilns, etching, carving, restoration and repair, tools (old and new), of stained glass to lesson plans on how to teach stained glass courses. Unfortunately, I can't justify the outlay of $225 US for my therapy (stained glass). I'm still licking my wounds from putting my two sons through college to the MBA level. However, I highly recommend this complete tech manual for anyone who enjoys stained glass and I can foresee repeated references to it during numerous projects. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 08:01:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Antique Photographic Glass Negatives Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807181346.GAA02134@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Christie, Old glass negatives, what a rare find. I have a suggestion that might help. Rather than using them directly, as I would imagaine they're extremely delicate giving the dated material. Go to a professional lab and see about having an emulsion produced right to the stained glass. You can print photographic images directly to canvas, wood, plates, buttons even brick or rock. I've even seen it done on eggs. If the lab can't do it they may be able to direct you to a company that can. This application would be more durable and would save those glass negatives from any abuse. Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 12:13:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: DIAMONDCRETE Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:40:13 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul18.174013.0> Precedence: bulk In need of help (again!) Making a stepping stone and using Diamondcrete for the first time. Opened the box it came in and there are no directions. How much water (I assume you use water) do I need to add per cup? And what consistency should it be? Any tips about pouring or anything else you can tell me would be appreciated. I can't believe there are no directions or labels or anything for this stuff! Is this the way it's usually packaged? There's no marking on the box, just a cardboard box with a plastic bag inside containing the mix. Thanks in advance. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 18:37:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Summer time blues...non glass Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807190012.RAA11643@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Okay guys... where are you? Not too many messages for the past 2 days. So just to be silly here's a story I wrote:):) Fall is in the air. Winds blow madly with anger. Knocking leaves to the ground, as if they were in war. Animals scurry about to find the last morse of food before, it's taken away. But none are so busy, as the spider. Travelling many spider miles, each and every day. TO GET TO MY HOUSE!!! I must have a welcome sign hung up, or maybe....... I'm on the internet under accommodations for spiders. Never the less each year they come unwelcomed. I've truely seen all kinds, more than any spider book. And they'll do just about anything to get thru the door. Infact drain pipes are common roadways. Not to mention, that they take special courses, as they seem to, walk thru walls. But, it's kinda sad, I almost wish, to get a message out... to them. Probably you know the end of the story, for any spider, that dares! To come visit my house!!! the end, sorry guys I'm alittle bored:):) PS what ever you guys are doing must be fun, chuckle. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 18:59:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Summer time blues...non glass Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807190020.RAA26790@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Okay guys... where are you? Not too many messages for the past 2 days. So just to be silly here's a story I wrote:):) Fall is in the air. Winds blow madly with anger. Knocking leaves to the ground, as if they were in war. Animals scurry about to find the last morse of food, before it's taken away. But none are so busy, as the spider. Travelling many spider miles, each and every day. TO GET TO MY HOUSE!!! I must have a welcome sign hung up, or maybe.......I'm on the internet under accommodations for spiders. Never the less each year they come unwelcomed. I've truely seen all kinds, more than any spider book. And they'll do just about anything to get thru the door. Infact drain pipes are common roadways. Not to mention, that they take special courses, as they seem to, walk thru walls. But, it's kinda sad I almost wish, I could get a message out... to them. Probably you know the end of the story, for any spider, that dares! To come visit my house!!! the end, sorry guys I'm alittle bored:):) PS what ever you guys are doing must be fun, chuckle. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 20:09:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eatumup.com!byronw From: byronw@eatumup.com (Byron Wells) To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: beveled mirror Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:55:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul18.155529.0> Precedence: bulk Check in your local Yellow Pages Douglas.. I use a local flat glass beveler for larger beveling jobs and he can make me most anything...Should be someone like that in your area... Another place for stock type stuff would be arts and crafts places like Michaels MJ Designs if you have them in your area... Byron... Wells Glassworks -----Original Message----- From: Douglas R Terry To: bungie. Date: Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:50 PM Subject: beveled mirror >I need a beveled mirror oval shape approx. 10 or 12" by 16" (a stock >size >near this would work.) I think approx. 3/8 to 1/2" thick. This is for a >base >for a blown glass piece I am making. If someone has a supplier, >preferably >in the US West Coast, but any US address would work. I don't normally >use >this type of item, so if someone could give me what a reasonable price >might >be, and any tips on using it. I plan to glue the piece to the mirror >with >ultraviolet glue. If there are problems with this, please let me know. > >Douglas Terry >(from the Alps of Oregon) >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 21:43:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: , glass Subject: Re: DIAMONDCRETE Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:26:56 PDT Message-ID: References: <> Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "DIAMONDCRETE" on Jul 18, 13:40, writes:] > In need of help (again!) Making a stepping stone and using Diamondcrete for > the first time. Opened the box it came in and there are no directions. How > much water (I assume you use water) do I need to add per cup? And what > consistency should it be? Any tips about pouring or anything else you can > tell me would be appreciated. > > I can't believe there are no directions or labels or anything for this stuff! > Is this the way it's usually packaged? There's no marking on the box, just a > cardboard box with a plastic bag inside containing the mix. I wonder if you got diamondcrete? I've used this alot and I have always got directions as well as a labelled box. Check your source. The mixing instructions are: 14" round 19 cups 16" square 28 cups Hex 20 cups There are approx. 12 cups diamondcrete in a 10 lb. box. Other molds (less common) are also listed. Let me know if you need them all listed. A. 2 fl. oz of water (no more) to each 1 cup diamondcrete. B. First pour all the premeasured water into a mixing container. C. Mix vigorously until all lumps are gone. (2-3 min) D. Pour into mold that has a slight film of petroleum jelly. Now tap lightly for 20 seconds on bench around mold to removed air bubbles. E. Diamondcrete sets up in approx. 35 minutes but allow to remain in mold for 45 min - 1 hour. F. Allow to cure indoors at least 28 days. Elevate with pencils to allow air flow underneath. It's also wise to seal with a concrete sealer. Hope this helps. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 18 22:23:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: looking for Shakeel Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:12:38 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul19.41238.0> Precedence: bulk Shakeel I tried to send you an E-Mail but it would not go thru I will try to find you a copy of that book E-Mail me your address so that if I find it I can send it to you.Beveler4(Stan) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 19 06:05:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 05:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Summer time blues...non glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:11:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199807191338.JAA16280@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > Okay guys... where are you? > Not too many messages for the past 2 days. Cindy, I've been on bungi for a couple of years and have noticed that weekends slow down ... everyone's doing chores, I guess. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 19 22:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: oxford.net!tmr From: "Teresa Ross" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: cutting straight line!!! Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:04:22 -0700 Message-ID: <199807200203.WAA00747@server1.oxford.net> Precedence: bulk Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am very grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a straight line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it worse. I was told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am ruining lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. teresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 19 23:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:23:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #37 Peggy Johnsen Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:22:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul19.192240.0> Precedence: bulk Name: Peggy W. Johnsen Location: Santa Maria, CA Studio: PJ's Stained Glass Studio I have worked in stained glass for some 12 years with prior experience in glass related art. I have two art minors and spent time in the Smokey Mountains at Gatlinburg, Tenn. Currently I work as an educational administrator full time. I have just sign my seventh contract with the Vandenberg Air Base to teach stained glass at their skill development center. My teaching curricula includes: Copper-foil method, lead came method, boxes, kaleidoscopes, mosaic garden stones, panel lamps, and three dimensional gift items. I do a lot of repair work including bent panel replacement which requires fusing. I do sand etching--mostly mirrors but some carving to support stained glass panels. I do commissions upon request. Hopefully, within the year, I plan to be a full time stained glass artist and craftsperson. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 19 23:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bio #38 Mike Peck Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul19.193132.0> Precedence: bulk Mike Peck I was born in Kansas City in 1951. My Dad was in the Navy so we traveled around a lot during my preschool and elementary grades, Virginia for a short while, then Jacksonville and Key West Florida. My memories of Florida are frightening, I remember huge land crabs that came= up from the beaches and scoured our garbage cans, snakes, lizards, scorpion= s, gators. My Mom was always telling me to stay away from the tall grass. We moved to Ventura California when I was in fourth grade, then to San Diego for the fifth grade and stayed there through my high school graduat= ion in 1969. My Dad was in the enlisted ranks in the Navy and I am the oldest of six children in our family, so when I graduated high school, there was no mon= ey for college. And, I wasn't a very good student so there were no scholarships. I was drafted in 1970 at the tender age of 19, and went to Viet Nam just about 18 months following the TET Offensive. I thought for the longest time that, that experience was the low point in my life. But= , looking back on it now, I realize that it actually took me about 4-5 year= s after I returned to the States to fully recover from that experience. While I was away, my Dad retired from the Navy and had moved our family b= ack to "home", which to him was Kansas City. Well, I didn=92t know anyone in= KC, but felt comfortable since most of my relatives are around here. I bumm= ed around for a couple years, worked as a car and motorcycle mechanic at a f= ew local shops. Then, enrolled in a small community college in 1974 thinkin= g that I wanted to get into either science or art, then transferred over to University of Missouri and graduated with a degree in chemistry. I spent 17 years in the pharmaceutical industry, started as a research chemist, then moved over into their international division monitoring clinical trials. I enjoyed that job a lot, even spent three years going = to night school to get an MBA. We merged with Dow Chemical in 1991, then we= re sold off to a German company (Hoerst) and the corporate culture died. Well, I was much too young to retire and too old to put up with a promisi= ng career that had been reduced to a "job", so I began planning for a transition. I had been doing stained glass for about 10 years then, so that was my first choice. I started working for two local builders around in 1991, and started a business in my basement called Midwest Hardwoods and Stained Glass. I w= as doing cabinets, entertainment centers, curios, anything in wood that I could also put some glass in. It was extremely hard because I was workin= g for the company during the day and moonlighting my own business at night. Well, in 1993 I left the company and started full time with my own busine= ss. In 1995, we moved out of my basement and into a retail shop where we are= at the present time and it was then that I renamed the business to Summit Stained Glass. I still do a lot of woodwork, but am always trying to figure out how to put stained glass in = it. I know I=92ve rambled, I won=92t apologize because I=92d personally like = to hear similar life stories about the rest of you. Let me just add a few more points ........ my wife of 18 years has certainly put up with the worst side of me, and always seems to bring out the best in me. And, And= ria is actually my niece, although I call her my daughter. My sister went through a divorce many years ago, then died from some ovarian cancer leaving two children. I took Andria, and her brother is living with anot= her sister of mine. So, Andria has been with us for about 7 years and is no= w 12 years old. One of my primary goals in life is to live to be 100! My wife says that among her goals is to live long enough to see me make it to 100! So, loo= ks like we have another 53 years to go. Hope you enjoyed it. Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 00:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: "Teresa Ross" , Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:46 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "cutting straight line!!!" on Jul 19, 22:04, "Teresa Ross" writes:] > Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am very > grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a straight > line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it worse. I was > told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am ruining > lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. Try holding the cutter with "control" to begin with. Don't move your wrist if possible and instead emphasize your whole arm moving with the cut...follow trhu with your body. What type of cutter are you using? I personally use a pistol type. I cannot seem to use a straight cutter very well. When grinding lay the piece flat and use both hands to hold the glass running smooth as you move the piece forward. Make sure you have a sharp bit and always make sure to use water. Hope this helps -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 00:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, tmr@oxford.net Subject: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:49:41, -0500 Message-ID: <199807200649.CAA18622@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am very grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a straight line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it worse. I was told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am ruining lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. teresa<< Cutting a straight line in glass is not as easy as it would seem. The good part is that once you get the hang of it seems to happen for free. Most people cut straight lines by pulling the cutter against a straight edge such as an aluminum ruler that is 1/8" thick by 2" wide by X long. Just start very near the far end of the glass and pull the cutter along the straight edge. Be careful to hold the cutter wheel at a right angle to the glass and apply moderate pressure (just enough pressure so the cutter "talks" to you as it scribes the glass). Maintain a small amount of pressure against the straight edge to prevent the cutter from wandering. Strive to make the cut in one flowing motion while maintaining even pressure. It is good if the cutter can drop off the end of the glass onto a soft surface like wood or plastic. Complete the breakout immediately after cutting to prevent "healing" of the score and poor breaks. Another tool is a plastic right angle made for the purpose of cutting glass right angels such as in glass squares. These seem to do a slightly better job of slipping the cutter along the edge. Also remember there is an offset between the edge of the straight edge and the actual track of the wheel. For the Toyo cutter this is 3/32" I believe and so it makes a real difference in rather the cut piece will fit or not. I seem to have used a great many words to describe what will shortly become a simple task for you. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *US Navy retired, please pay your taxes promptly.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 01:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Teresa Ross" Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:51:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul19.17510.0> Precedence: bulk Teresa, Are you using a straight edge? Myself, I don't even attempt a straight line without using my straight edge. I have a 1/4 piece of plexiglass that is 1 1/2" by 18". I have been using the same straight edge for 20 years. With one hand I hold the straight edge firmly on the glass and the other hand I run the cutter right up against the straight edge. See how that works. If you are still having trouble, you may want to tap the glass before applying pressure. There is also a type of breaking pliers for cutting straight pieces. You're retailer should carry it. I don't remember what it is called. I use it ocassionally when I am cutting a long narrow piece. Cheryl ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 01:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE:straight line Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:51:27 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul20.55127.0> Precedence: bulk Having trouble cutting a straight line? Well I use a metal ruler with a cork bottom so it doesnt slip. You just put the ruler on the glass next to the line youv'e drawn. Then sight at the top of the ruler, then the bottom and make sure the cutter is on the line foil, inside the line for lead(if you using a sharpie pen). Your cutter will be guided right along the straight line by the ruler. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 02:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:08:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:07:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980720040719.006bd834@mail.bright.net> Precedence: bulk At 10:04 PM 7/19/98 -0700, Teresa Ross wrote: >Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am very >grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a straight >line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it worse. I was >told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am ruining >lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. There are devices to help you cut a straight line. Using a metal glass ruler with a cork backing that you slide your cutter against will help you make a straight score. Or use one of the many brands of strip cutters, or the Morton system. They all aid you in making a nice straight cut. However, once you make the cut and you go to grinding, I have a tip that I use with my students. I have them hold the piece of glass against a straight edge of some sort, so that they can see light through the spaces where the piece of glass doesn't meet the straight edge. They then mark with a Sharpie pen, the places that do meet the straight edge and know that those are the places to be gone over (lightly) with the grinder. As they grind, they should be making progress, so that less and less light shows through the crack in between the glass and the straight edge. When virtually no light shines through, then the piece of glass is deemed straight enough to go into the stained glass project. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 07:19:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807201304.GAA24670@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Teresa, Glad to see you have gotten lots of good advice. Try to practice on some clear window glass...it's pretty cheap and some places will give you it for free from the trash they throw out. Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 08:19:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Non-Glass: Looking for Mike Peck Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:01:04 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.614.0> Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Gidday Y'all and apologies for doing this but the email addy I had for Mike Peck bounced and I need to contact him.... ::Waving:: hoy, Mike!! You there, mate? Please get in touch! -- Thanks!! Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 08:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:13:20 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul20.141320.0> Precedence: bulk Teresa Ross says: > I can't seem to master cutting a straight line which isn't > jagged. Get a Morton Portable Glass Shop. I did, and I've gotten spoiled in a hurry! (I could never keep a regular straight edge in place - didn't think to try a cork-backed one. Besides, I couldn't find one thick enough to use with my cutter.) Line up the glass, score it, and break it over the edge of your Morton Board. Minimal grinding required. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 09:09:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:14:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Summer time blues...back to glass, and weird tools Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:12:54 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul20.141254.0> Precedence: bulk Cindy (the resident poet and scourge of all things 8-legged) says: > Okay guys... where are you? > Not too many messages for the past 2 days. It has been slow... my guess is that unless they have a store to run on weekends, everyone with a scrap of sense in their head and a few bucks in their pocket has headed off to the beach, the mountains, the local pool, or even the air-conditioned comfort of the local library (OK, so maybe I'm Very Weird, but oh! the art books! and it's free - free is good when you're as broke as I am). My "summertime blues" are largely related to the state of the electricity around here. I live in a 40-year-old house with original wiring, and the local utility struggles to keep enough juice flowing. Of course it gets worse in weather like this, when everybody and their dog is running the a/c for all they're worth. The glass-related result is, after about noon I have a hell of a time trying to solder. Even with the iron turned almost all the way up, it will be hot enough for a while, then cool off and the solder will get "just barely sticky." I know it's the local juice, because the iron is fine up at Christie's. Pathologically Resourceful Weirdo and Hardware Junkie that I am, I'm thinking about investing in a power conditioner/uninterruptible power source, say a 200-watt one. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper than rewiring the house, and will let me keep working. (I'm generally not awake enough to solder in the morning.) What my enquiring mind wants to know is: has anyone tried this? Anyone have any thoughts on the idea? CCW "Tool time! More power!" Sparks (also getting ready to rig up a Water Pik to feed water to the drill bit on my grinder... one of these days I have to remember to pick up the tips when I'm in the drug store) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 09:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Teresa Ross Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul20.62423.0> References: <<199807200203.WAA00747@server1.oxford.net>> Precedence: bulk Teresa Ross wrote: > > Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am very > grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a straight > line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it worse. I was > told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am ruining > lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. > > teresa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass mainly you want to work against a ruler, about 1/8" high. the idea is to push against the ruler and pull down on the cutter. the hard part is that the cutter will want to go on the ruler, and it won't give you the right pressure or angle to get a good break. the best way is to use a scoring board of some kind. morton or the other one (that i use). the ruler ends to shift when you use it. is you only have a ruler, the ruler needs to be smooth or have a cork back. a large triangle should work. the other way is to use a strip cutter. or do it by hand. the hand method won't be totally true, but it will break the way you want it. but you need a very steady hand and good hand-eye coordination. practice tracing things with a pen, that will help quite a bit, (trace letters, scrolling things, etc.) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 11:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybersol.com!TWLARRY From: TWLARRY@cybersol.com (Nordhoff, Larry) To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Summer time blues...back to glass, and weird tools Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:26:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul20.92631.0> References: <<1998Jul20.141254.0>> Organization: Trade Winds Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > Cindy (the resident poet and scourge of all things 8-legged) says: > > > Okay guys... where are you? > > Not too many messages for the past 2 days. > > It has been slow... my guess is that unless they have a store to run on > weekends, everyone with a scrap of sense in their head and a few bucks in > their pocket has headed off to the beach, the mountains, the local pool, or > even the air-conditioned comfort of the local library (OK, so maybe I'm Very > Weird, but oh! the art books! and it's free - free is good when you're as > broke as I am). > > My "summertime blues" are largely related to the state of the electricity > around here. I live in a 40-year-old house with original wiring, and the local > utility struggles to keep enough juice flowing. Of course it gets worse in > weather like this, when everybody and their dog is running the a/c for all > they're worth. > > The glass-related result is, after about noon I have a hell of a time trying > to solder. Even with the iron turned almost all the way up, it will be hot > enough for a while, then cool off and the solder will get "just barely > sticky." I know it's the local juice, because the iron is fine up at > Christie's. > > Pathologically Resourceful Weirdo and Hardware Junkie that I am, I'm thinking > about investing in a power conditioner/uninterruptible power source, say a > 200-watt one. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper than rewiring the house, and > will let me keep working. (I'm generally not awake enough to solder in the > morning.) > > What my enquiring mind wants to know is: has anyone tried this? Anyone have > any thoughts on the idea? > > CCW "Tool time! More power!" Sparks > > (also getting ready to rig up a Water Pik to feed water to the drill bit on my > grinder... one of these days I have to remember to pick up the tips when I'm > in the drug store) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi Cindy, A fourty year old house or one built in the 50's should have adequate wireing. Have you thought of going to 200 amp service. This is an option that will give you more power for very little cash outlay. You may only need a seperate line to your fuse box for that matter. When we bought our house we had to rewire it. It was built around 1932 and had single wire mounted on porcline knobs. There was only 40 amp service. There were no outlets in the house and every time the pump kicked in the lights would dim. We had 100 amp service put in after rewiring. We also have a store that we had upgraded to 200 amp service. Hope this gives you some other options to explore. T W LARRY (T W stands for Trade Winds our store name.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 14:09:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: straight lines Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:40:36 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul19.194036.0> Precedence: bulk I grind my straight lines on a 6" standard grid disk on the Diamond Max. It requires a steady hand...I premark with a permanent marker the plumb line, so I can focus. I cannot eye-ball a straightline or a right angle. Some advise that was given to me when scoring a long straight line, once you have everything in place (the straight edge, etc.) then remember it is not the amount of force you put on a score, but the smoothness and speed that will give you a good break. So I say to myself "charge!" right before scoring. Then I keep that cutter moving smoothly and quickly...and I don't worry about how hard I am pressing. (When I was beginning, I think I used to try to engrave my break line with muscle.. but it has very little to do with force.) The very first project I did, was a geometric one. It had nothing but straight lines in it. It was not a great success, but after completing a few more projects, I could now attack the same project and I am confident that my lines would be straighter. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 14:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Water Pik on Grinder??? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul20.114134.0> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com () wrote: >(also getting ready to rig up a Water Pik to feed >water to the drill bit on my grinder... Hmmmm... this sounds very interesting. The "automatic" water feed on my grinder never works to my satisfaction and the sponge is frustrating. Would you be willing to share how you plan to rig this up? Would this work for the grinding bits as well? Thanks!!! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 18:16:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:43:49 +0000 Message-ID: <199807202347.AAA06883@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Dear Teresa, Practice, practice, practice!!!!! It's quite true that it isn't the pressure which is important, but smoothness and speed (CHARGE! - someone said... And I had to smile, because there is a certain amount of truth in that) Practice on "window glass" someone else said. That's fine too if you can get scraps for nothing. The best glass to practice on (at least here in UK) is glass made for green-houses; the "fine" name is "horticultural glass". "Window" glass is between 4-6 mm thick, as a rule, whereas greenh.... sorry... "horticultural glass" is 3 mm thick. I.e. the thickness (as a rule) of the coloured glass you will eventually cut anyway). It simulates much better the cutting and breaking-out qualities of coloured glass and is therefore ideal to practice on. Even OLD greenh... "horticultural glass" is useful. It tends to be more brittle, sometimes a little bit more "powdery" than new glass, but that too is a good learning experience since you will encounter the many different ways that different coloured glass behaves. In my classes I collect sheets and sheets of this glass, both old and new and literally "dish it out" to my students to experiment with at home. When I myself have created a particular difficult cut for myself, I always practice and perfect my technique for that particular piece on a bit of greenhouse glass until I am happy. I have never got on with the "ruler-technique". If I am tired and "bleary-eyed", I will invariably resort to a strip-cutter rather than a ruler. On the whole though, I cut the "Straight Lines" free-hand... Another trick in cutting straight lines (....and we have been arguing this point before) is to cut away from you, rather than towards you. You have better control that way and your body doesn't get in the way and upset your balance. UK Hartley-Woood Glass, by the way - is shortly to be "resurrected". About 4 of the original Hartley-Wood experts have joined the new people that bought out the Company and rumour has it that the glorious quality of Hartley-Wood Glass will not be allowed to die. But - as with many buy-outs - the name might change..... Watching the development most closely..... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK At 10:04 PM 7/19/98 -0700, Teresa Ross wrote: >Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am very >grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a straight >line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it worse. I was >told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am ruining >lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 18:41:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Summer time blues...back to glass, and weird tools Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:43:50 +0000 Message-ID: <199807202347.AAA06880@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Oh YES!!!! I distinctly remember telling Bunginians, how I used to tip-toe down my garden in bare feet last summer in the moonlight, sitting down in the garden and do my soldering there in the early hours of the morning, dressed in NOTHING. It was simply too hot during the day to work and my Viking blood was/is not up to it... It gave a whole NEW meaning to dropping a blob of melting solder.... No, I didn't catch German Measles on my tummy, only hot solder!!! The neighbours were asleep anyway and my garden IS really very private. ..... ;-> I live in a cottage that is about 200 years old (that's at least when the first records of it have been found). The wiring occasionally appears to be just as old. My kiln used to blow the whole village, but a soldering iron or two seem to work OK. Have just been reading new tourist blurb about Sweden, where visitors to a Swedish home STILL today are reminded to take their shoes off, when entering a Swedish home. This really warmed my soul and I thought of Daniel, my "bare-foot fellow". Am still a bit disorientated , even if now back in UK, and am working my way through the many lovely and wonderful messages one by one. Hot and warm wishes - 'n keep soldering.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who can't QUITE keep up the sulk anymore...) "Sparks" wrote in response to Cindy: > Pathologically Resourceful Weirdo and Hardware Junkie that I am, I'm thinking > about investing in a power conditioner/uninterruptible power source, say a > 200-watt one. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper than rewiring the house, and > will let me keep working. (I'm generally not awake enough to solder in the > morning.) > > What my enquiring mind wants to know is: has anyone tried this? Anyone have > any thoughts on the idea? > ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 19:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mpx.com.au!harlquin From: "Gerard" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:27:23 +1000 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.92723.0> Precedence: bulk hi Teresa my bit of advice for all it's worth is this: get a large piece of window glass (maybe recycled) and a good cutter and practice cutting... more and more and more again. i think it's fair to say we all had some difficulty cutting when we started, but in glass as in any other craft, practice makes perfect+ACE- (almost) Harlequin at http://surf.to/harlquin Harlequin Leadlight other pages http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/index.html http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/ondaderthad/index.html Join the leadlight webring http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/3530/webring.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 19:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pacifier.com!ptap From: Pamela Burns-Tappan To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------03B53BFD491334BDB5AD6B17" Subject: Re:Oh what a nightmare-update Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:38:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul20.103829.0> Organization: Moswood Mountain Limited Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------03B53BFD491334BDB5AD6B17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! Well, well for those of you wondering how my beach escapades are going, and remember this post of awhile back, here goes. Went down to the beach this weekend, had a wonderful time. I was with 2 hormonal 12 years olds (my daughter and her friend). This time I brought a stained glass bird bath/table, outdoor stained glass lights, beautiful cedar planters to put into the beach shop. My daughter and her friend make braided jewelry, like the kids wear today. They brought their products with a blue pine display made by my husband again. Our first one is still in the shop housing my stones.. I walked into the shop, where I noticed my display, which I might add is looking great in that shop thank you very much. Any way, noticed right off the bat that 3 of my stones were priced down, without my o.k. One was priced at $21.99. The initial shock of that price on that stone (it has bevels incorporated into the design), almost put me into cardiac arrest. "My friend" then proceeds to tell me that 3 customers have come into the shop and stated that if only I had stones in such and such colors then of course they would buy them. Well she said that right after I noticed the price on my stones. Now at this point I'm ready to kill this woman, yes I will admit, maim and hurt were my goal at the time. She then says "well I priced them down to see if we would sell more". My thoughts at the time (#@(*&^%$)! Now for customers that call me personally or e-mail me on the internet, you bet, I bend over backwards for them and of course offer any color they want. She explained to me that her thinking on the price was due to the fact that the area had a small craft show a couple weeks back. Now a lady at the craft show was selling her stones for $22.00 each. First of all the lady at the craft show is on her own, she is not charging herself a commission price I tell my friend. Second, I'm not that lady. I couldn't say anymore than that at this point in the game, I was a tad unnerved. Don't get me wrong bungians, I love feedback, criticism etc. This is what I believe makes us successful, customer comments about my products I value. Currently I have about 9 different colors in her shop, 25 stones that all have different colored glass. There is a great selection there. I can think of 10 million different colors I could put down there too. Ended up bringing 8 stones home, it was 9 but one got stolen out of the truck when we stopped at a gift shop, good grief, can you imagine lugging a stolen stepping stone around town! I know, should have kept an eye on them, but was more interested in keeping my eye on my hormonal girls at the time. The number of items I have in her shop I'm comfortable with. and I do like the advertising. I believe I made it clear to her price changing is not a good idea, and I'm putting that mildly. Now, my daughter and her friend have a beautiful display in blue pine. The agreement my friend made with the girls was to do commission at 10%. The girls unload their products which I might add are, highly professional looking the type of jewelry kids today "die over". After we have unloaded all of our products and get back in the truck my daughter proceeds to tell me that my friend is charging them 25% in commission, still very low yes, but the girls priced all of their products at the 10% commission rate. So they just lost 15% walking into the shop. Now for a first business experience I wanted the girls to have a good one and learn some things. Yes this is a positive learning experience for them I agree. And they have definitely learned a good business lesson here. Did I go back into the shop and confront my friend with the commission issue? No. I forced myself to remember that I am respectful, I am a lady and I will not kill in daylight hours. I'm being very patient with her as a new business owner. I guess my one comment to make to people who are considering consignment would be this. Ask the business owner questions on their business experience, practices, goals etc. Be as informed as you can be going into the shop. Keep in contact with the business owner and check on your products. And trust your instincts. Now if you have all made it through to the end of this very long post. Then I can't wait to hear your comments, I know they will always be helpful and honest. To Cheryl and Shirley, ( fellow bungians), I thank you again for your personal help on this matter and the good advice. Sincerely, Pam --------------03B53BFD491334BDB5AD6B17 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela org: Moswood Mountain Limited adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/artists.html;;;;USA email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com title: President x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------03B53BFD491334BDB5AD6B17-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 19:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Bio: Peggy Johnsen Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 02:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199807210113.CAA14385@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk My Dear Petal Peggy; As I told you over the telephone, and... will confirm in Bungi...... Your Bio is a total disgrace!!!! YOU can do better than that....! Listen Folks! This is a person who has absorbed an astonishing amount of know-how, knowledge and history about stained glass ; - as well as about human nature, compassion and.... Lifefulness! I have had the wonderful privelege of living with her - side-by-side for almost 3 weeks. My dining-room table has wonderful horsehoe nail marks that makes me smille every time I see them.... We got rather carried away that night..... She is a complete Master of "under-statement"!!! Everyone in UK that she met, were totally under her spell - everyone remembers "Peggy"; everyone wants to have news of her...... She reads everything in Bungi, yet she speaks out quite seldom. WHEN she does, I sit up and listen. We have very loseley worked on a teaching curriculum together. My rather forced visit to Sweden, has rather "blown" the plans my heart so much desired to do..... to visit USA this autumn. Peggy will be my high-point and focal point for a visit to USA. Jeez, I wish I could run a motorbike the way she did.... In France, Peggy had an argument with a round-about, tripped and fell somewhat badly. I think there were only TWO people who ever ever knew about it - Kathe and myself. We nursed her, bandaged her and tried to make her comfortable. She was most insistant that nobody else should know,,,, Total and utter Sunshine came out of her and from her...... Everyone soaked it up and loved her. ,.,.and Toby??? He fell in Love - for the First Real Time In His Life...... Little Chap - he gave his ALL!!! He preened, he pranced, he paraded a bout....Who am I to argue with HIM???? Peggy, you can do better than this 6=-liner for a Bio!"!!! "Disgusted from England" aka Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK P.S. Patrick!!! what a poor psychologist you are..... Come On!! Dig a bit!!! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 20:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:20:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul21.22040.0> Precedence: bulk A weird thing happened this afternoon when I went to put copper patina on a couple of finished pieces. Freshly soldered, washed (with ordinary liquid dishwashing soap - Sunlight, I think), thoroughly rinsed & dried, and I was using a new bottle of patina (only used once before, a couple of weeks ago, and worked fine then) and a clean cotton rag... and the result was a patchy, scuzzy, skanky, uneven mix of not-too-bright copper and corrosion that took a hell of a lot of scrubbing with a toothbrush and then more scrubbing with a lot of Kem-O-Pro to get looking even marginal. Anybody have any idea why it did that? Suggestions on cleaning it up? Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 20 23:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:01:40 -0700 Message-ID: <199807210501.WAA03513@norm.island.net> Precedence: bulk Hi Sparks What about removing it with steel wool? I was using black patina today on something I'd cleaned the same way, but left sitting for a day first. It didn't take evenly. Seems a bit of a film had formed over the cleaned lead...once I'd cleaned off the splotchy patina with the extra fine steel wool and reapplied it took fine. Cleaned the other pieces with steel wool first and the patina took just fine then. Good luck Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 01:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hartley Wood (was Re: cutting straight line) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:56:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980721085642.007c4400@mailhost.stainedglass.co.uk> References: <<199807202347.AAA06883@saturn.nildram.co.uk>> Precedence: bulk At 00:43 21/07/98 +0000, EliSabeth wrote: >UK Hartley-Woood Glass, by the way - is shortly to be "resurrected". >About 4 of the original Hartley-Wood experts have joined the new >people that bought out the Company and rumour has it that the >glorious quality of Hartley-Wood Glass will not be allowed to die. >But - as with many buy-outs - the name might change..... >Watching the development most closely..... That would be terrific if they were to carry on making the same quality of glass that the original company did. We were disappointed in HW's last years with the stuff they were shipping out - much paler glass on the whole, without the vibrancy of much of the old glass - and so badly scratched too :-( We heard that the old site is going for housing development, so wonder if the new company will be sited at the new glass centre in Sunderland which I think is now open. Have you had the chance to visit it? We keep promising ourselves a trip one day but never seem to have the time. By the way, did your Australian students finish their 6 foot crocodile? Elizabeth Law Bournemouth Stained Glass htp://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 02:50:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: yucky patina problem Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:31:21 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul21.43121.0> Precedence: bulk I had that happen with black patina and I found out that it was from the solder I was using. I guess the first thing I would do since it happened to me once, is try and remember which solder I was using....could have been some old stuff, or something else all together. I am sure we'll get to the bottom of this!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 06:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: RE: yucky patina problem Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:30:53 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul21.123053.0> Precedence: bulk scott floyd said: > I had that happen with black patina and I found out that > it was from the solder I was using. I guess the first thing > I would do since it happened to me once, is try and > remember which solder I was using [...] "Good old reliable" Fry 60/40, like always... Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 06:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:51:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re-oh whata nightmare Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:44:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.14410.0> Precedence: bulk Pam, you're experience with this shop has not been good. I would not tolerate anyone pricing my glass without my permission. Do you pay 10% commission? If so then I would confront this woman and demand that your girls get 10% also. Even better I would pull out of the shop completely. She doesn't sound trustworthy. There is my 2 cents worth. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 07:17:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:56:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: friendship vs glass Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:49:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.14945.0> Precedence: bulk I need alittle advise. I know this sounds silly, but I have a chance to explore teaching and selling products. This sounds great right. Well I am very good friends with the owner of the only glass shop in the area. She makes comments about other shops putting glass in there window and how awful she thinks that is and how they should stay out of her business. A person approached me about teaching classes at his business. I would love to do this, but I know my friend will have a fit. Do I try and incorporate her shop into my class, for example, send everyone to her shop for glass etc or do I just set it up and say its a free country. Do you see my problem. If I set it up myself then I can profit from selling materials on my own. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 07:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Bad Patina Day Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:09:46 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul20.13946.0> Precedence: bulk I have had that problem this summer too, with copper. I thought at the time, I did not wash the flux off well. I also used dish liquid. Some one told me to use "Simple Green" which is a cleaning liquid on my soldering. I haven't bought any, but I have paid better attention to washing my soldering, and it hasn't recurred. I am still not convinced what caused it, and how to avoid it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 07:35:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!gatehous From: "BRIDE' WEBB" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Copper Patina finishes. Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:03:56 -0600 Message-ID: <199807211214.HAA06853@ici-208-025-108-234.7cities.net> Precedence: bulk I've been using more copper patina lately, but though the finishing compound buffs up and shines the copper patina beautifully, once it is exposed to direct sunlight and I suppose the heat I have several pieces change to almost a brass looking finish. Does anyone know of a way to prevent this from happening? My black and silver finishes haven't changed at all, only the copper. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bride' e-mail.....gatehous@7cities.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 08:05:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: tmr@oxford.net Subject: Re: cutting straight line!!! Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul20.214548.0> References: <> Precedence: bulk Teresa, There is a brief tutorial on straight line cutting using a straight edge at our website that may offer a point or two that haven't been covered yet....Anyway, it couldn't hurt! It is the glassworking tip from june of 96'. Start at http://www.dodgestudio.com and follow the links to glassworkers tips. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs http://www.dodgestudio.com On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:40:46 PDT gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) writes: >[In the message entitled "cutting straight line!!!" on Jul 19, 22:04, >"Teresa Ross" writes:] >> Hi...I am a novice at this. I have written a couple of times and am >very >> grateful for the help received.I can't seem to master cutting a >straight >> line which isn't jagged. Grinding it out only seems to make it >worse. I was >> told to go light on the grinding...can't seem to get it, and I am >ruining >> lots of glass. Any tips...thanks in advance. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 09:01:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:46:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199807211628.MAA14489@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > am very good friends with the owner of the only glass shop in the area. > She makes comments about other shops putting glass in there window and > how awful she thinks that is and how they should stay out of her > business. An often-heard complaint in the stained glass world ... and probably in other areas, too. But one of the "givens" in business (and your friend *is in business) is that competition's healthy ... and inevitable. She should remember that when she opened her shop that she did so at a time when other stained glass outlets existed. I'm sure they resented her new shop as much as she resents newer ones that open, but she should see it as opportunity rather than mere competition. Okay, those other glass shops might not have been right in your area, but they might have considered the area "part" of their "domain," their service area. The more glass and glass outlets there are, the more the consciousness of the public is raised and the more glass is appreciated. Your friend should think about how to work together with others who have seen how beautiful and marketable glass can be rather than resent their presence. As for your activities vis-a-vis your friend's, you have to do what feels right to you. You wouldn't let her decide for you what to wear, who to marry, how many kids to have any more than you'd let her decide how to run your own business. Is this a great country, or what? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 09:21:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: re-oh whata nightmare Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199807211628.MAA14493@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > completely. She doesn't sound trustworthy. There is my 2 cents worth. And here's mine. She might be trustworthy, but it does sound like she's feeling her way into how the local customers react to pricing and color selection. I think you'd be perfectly within your rights to say, "as long as my income from the sale isn't affected, you can price my work however you like." In other words, if the work is discounted, the discount comes out of her end, unless she's made prior arrangements with you. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 09:38:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Oh what a nightmare-update Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199807211422.KAA02663@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam, I was wondering what type of contract you have with this store. Hopefully it is one that says how much you actually want for each piece you have consigned. And not one that says a percentage. Secondly, not to be flip and nothing against you daughter and her friend, but I really don't know what kind of professionalism you can expect from someone who sells work made by twelve year olds no matter if they are professional looking or not. Apparently this is more of a crafty store than a craft gallery. And why if this woman has given you so much grief would you ever subject your daughter and her friend to her? And then she charges them more commission than they agreed? Looks to me like your just getting in deeper. And just prolonging your own aggravation. my best, pj >Hi everyone! > >Well, well for those of you wondering how my beach escapades are going, >and remember this post of awhile back, here goes. > >Went down to the beach this weekend, had a wonderful time. I was with 2 >hormonal 12 years olds (my daughter and her friend). This time I brought >a stained glass bird bath/table, outdoor stained glass lights, beautiful >cedar planters to put into the beach shop. My daughter and her friend >make braided jewelry, like the kids wear today. They brought their >products with a blue pine display made by my husband again. Our first >one is still in the shop housing my stones.. > >I walked into the shop, where I noticed my display, which I might add is >looking great in that shop thank you very much. Any way, noticed right >off the bat that 3 of my stones were priced down, without my o.k. One >was priced at $21.99. The initial shock of that price on that stone (it >has bevels incorporated into the design), almost put me into cardiac >arrest. "My friend" then proceeds to tell me that 3 customers have come >into the shop and stated that if only I had stones in such and such >colors then of course they would buy them. > >Well she said that right after I noticed the price on my stones. Now at >this point I'm ready to kill this woman, yes I will admit, maim and hurt >were my goal at the time. She then says "well I priced them down to see >if we would sell more". My thoughts at the time (#@(*&^%$)! > >Now for customers that call me personally or e-mail me on the internet, >you bet, I bend over backwards for them and of course offer any color >they want. > >She explained to me that her thinking on the price was due to the fact >that the area had a small craft show a couple weeks back. Now a lady at >the craft show was selling her stones for $22.00 each. First of all the >lady at the craft show is on her own, she is not charging herself a >commission price I tell my friend. Second, I'm not that lady. I couldn't >say anymore than that at this point in the game, I was a tad unnerved. > >Don't get me wrong bungians, I love feedback, criticism etc. This is >what I believe makes us successful, customer comments about my products >I value. Currently I have about 9 different colors in her shop, 25 >stones that all have different colored glass. There is a great selection >there. I can think of 10 million different colors I could put down there >too. Ended up bringing 8 stones home, it was 9 but one got stolen out of >the truck when we stopped at a gift shop, good grief, can you imagine >lugging a stolen stepping stone around town! I know, should have kept an >eye on them, but was more interested in keeping my eye on my hormonal >girls at the time. > >The number of items I have in her shop I'm comfortable with. and I do >like the advertising. I believe I made it clear to her price changing is >not a good idea, and I'm putting that mildly. > > >Now, my daughter and her friend have a beautiful display in blue pine. >The agreement my friend made with the girls was to do commission at 10%. >The girls unload their products which I might add are, highly >professional looking the type of jewelry kids today "die over". After we >have unloaded all of our products and get back in the truck my daughter >proceeds to tell me that my friend is charging them 25% in commission, >still very low yes, but the girls priced all of their products at the >10% commission rate. So they just lost 15% walking into the shop. > >Now for a first business experience I wanted the girls to have a good >one and learn some things. Yes this is a positive learning experience >for them I agree. And they have definitely learned a good business >lesson here. Did I go back into the shop and confront my friend with the >commission issue? No. I forced myself to remember that I am respectful, >I am a lady and I will not kill in daylight hours. > >I'm being very patient with her as a new business owner. I guess my one >comment to make to people who are considering consignment would be this. > >Ask the business owner questions on their business experience, >practices, goals etc. Be as informed as you can be going into the shop. >Keep in contact with the business owner and check on your products. And >trust your instincts. > >Now if you have all made it through to the end of this very long post. >Then I can't wait to hear your comments, I know they will always be >helpful and honest. > >To Cheryl and Shirley, ( fellow bungians), I thank you again for your >personal help on this matter and the good advice. > >Sincerely, > >Pam > >--------------03B53BFD491334BDB5AD6B17 >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for Pamela Burns-Tappan >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" > >begin: vcard >fn: Pamela Burns-Tappan >n: Burns-Tappan;Pamela >org: Moswood Mountain Limited >adr: http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/index.html;;http://www.pacifier.com/~ptap/arti sts.html;;;;USA >email;internet: ptap@pacifier.com >title: President >x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 >x-mozilla-html: FALSE >version: 2.1 >end: vcard > > >--------------03B53BFD491334BDB5AD6B17-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 09:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199807211451.KAA04083@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk Well here is "alittle" advise.............if you want to teach this class ............Do it!!!!! If your "friend" does not support you.............Look for another friend. Here is the kid gloves version............. Tell your friend about this venture. Make her as excited about it as your are. If she is a true friend she will help you in anyway she can. Ask her advice on everything. And be up front. Tell her you are going to sell supplies to students. That way she can never say your weren't honest with her. And tell her that competition is good for the soul. Apparently she doesn't think it is. my best, pj (who thinks the word friend is used to loosely in this world.) >I need alittle advise. I know this sounds silly, but I have a chance to >explore teaching and selling products. This sounds great right. Well I >am very good friends with the owner of the only glass shop in the area. >She makes comments about other shops putting glass in there window and >how awful she thinks that is and how they should stay out of her >business. A person approached me about teaching classes at his >business. I would love to do this, but I know my friend will have a >fit. Do I try and incorporate her shop into my class, for example, send >everyone to her shop for glass etc or do I just set it up and say its a >free country. Do you see my problem. If I set it up myself then I can >profit from selling materials on my own. Any suggestions would be >appreciated. >Sue >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 09:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:53:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.65352.0> References: <<1998Jul21.22040.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > A weird thing happened this afternoon when I went to put copper patina on a > couple of finished pieces. Freshly soldered, washed (with ordinary liquid > dishwashing soap - Sunlight, I think), thoroughly rinsed & dried, and I was > using a new bottle of patina (only used once before, a couple of weeks ago, > and worked fine then) and a clean cotton rag... and the result was a patchy, > scuzzy, skanky, uneven mix of not-too-bright copper and corrosion that took a > hell of a lot of scrubbing with a toothbrush and then more scrubbing with a > lot of Kem-O-Pro to get looking even marginal. > > Anybody have any idea why it did that? Suggestions on cleaning it up? > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass eliminating the cleaning technique. i would point out the solder, the tip (clean), or the flux. did you by any chance use flux remover (that stuff is impossible to remove and can cause this. did you dip in the the patina bottle the last time? if so that's a no-no. that will contaminate the bottle, and pretty much ruin it, which can also make out like you described. did you shake the bottle before you used it? sometimes it can settle. inland (the older ones anyway), tend to do this. novacan, as far as i know, does'nt settle. but i shake it anyway. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:01:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: To: ptap@pacifier.com, glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Oh what a nightmare-update Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:58:26 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul21.145826.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Pam, Well, for starters, I'd like to commend you for not wringing her neck like a scrawny chicken when you saw the mark down! I'm not sure I could have kept my composure as completely as you did considering the sheer number of stupid things this woman said to you. It also seemed very smart to pull your other stones out of there before she gives them away as door prizes to idiotic tourists who want everything to match their couch! As for the hormonal 12 year olds (I have one myself!), I'll bet they're just thrilled to have a place where they can sell their wares and don't care much about the 25%, do they? I know mine wouldn't and she's also really, really good at making the hemp and bead jewelry. I would bring it up with your friend though. How are these girls going to learn that your word means something if their first business venture starts out this way? Maybe there's another store that would like their attractive display and they could make their point by going elsewhere if she doesn't honor her word. All the way around here, she sounds like bad news with whom to be doing business. Maybe she's good as a friend, but you've given her a chance and I'd be very leary of doing further business with her. It may look good in her store but isn't there another place where they'd look just as good and you wouldn't have to worry about what she was doing with your work? Just my opinion, Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:08:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Bad Patina Day Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.7011.0> References: <<1998Jul20.13946.0>> Precedence: bulk Norman & Claudette Jaramillo wrote: > > I have had that problem this summer too, with copper. I thought at the > time, I did not wash the flux off well. I also used dish liquid. Some one > told me to use "Simple Green" which is a cleaning liquid on my soldering. I > haven't bought any, but I have paid better attention to washing my > soldering, and it hasn't recurred. I am still not convinced what caused > it, and how to avoid it? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i probably would'nt use simple green. i never used it in that way, but through my experiences it does'nt totally leave the surface, and will probably attack the patina. use the baking soda - joy mixture, just a drop or two is needed. scrub it in. it could be hard water, that may not let the soap to completly wash off. oh yeah, make sure the soap is the clear kind, not the solid kind. the solid kind almost always has some kind of hand lotion in it. and will most likely stick to your solder. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: BRIDE' WEBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Copper Patina finishes. Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.7250.0> References: <<199807211214.HAA06853@ici-208-025-108-234.7cities.net>> Precedence: bulk BRIDE' WEBB wrote: > > I've been using more copper patina lately, but though the finishing > compound buffs up and shines the copper patina beautifully, once it is > exposed to direct sunlight and I suppose the heat I have several pieces > change to almost a brass looking finish. Does anyone know of a way to > prevent this from happening? My black and silver finishes haven't changed > at all, only the copper. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, Bride' e-mail.....gatehous@7cities.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass copper always changes, it depends on the make of the patina. novacan - turns from shiny penny copper, to dull copper, to brown, to black. jax - is very difficult to put on. but once it's copper, it stay looking like new for a very long time. i have a piece that i made about 6 years ago, and the copper is still pretty shiny. i don't know how the other patinaes look after a while. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Oh what a nightmare-update Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807211546.IAA15974@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > >>Hi Pam, >I'd be very upset also. >Seems this woman has alot to learn, but it shouldn't be at your expense. >Marking down items without your okay doesn't make it in my books! >Infact I don't think your items have been in there long enough yet to be marking down. >Which I would think about... >Usually if something doesn't sell I'll remove, but not mark down. On a few ocassions I have marked down, but that's rare. (my stuff is in a gallery here and mark downs don't look good, chuckle) >I had a piece in there...native raven window hanger in smoked window glass etched...thought would never sell (don't know why really as I have one at home and looks appealling) anyhow it did sell finially after what I think could have been a year. >Usually I'll get antsy after 6 months maybe 9, but am always told to slow down and wait longer before pulling a piece. >The drift here is additude, and I think this woman's additude stinks. >Now you know your work is good!!! Heck their stealing it out of your car!! >And from the sounds of it 22 bucks is way too low. >Watch your stuff with this woman. She shouldn't be calling the shots on your work. >My heart goes to you, lady!! >Smiles, Cindy > > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Amsterdam Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:09:18 PDT Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Hi, Planning to get to Amsterdam sometime in the middle of August. My husband will be going on business and I am definately not missing it! Any of you folks living there? Anywhere in particular I should visit? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:56:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cybersol.com!TWLARRY From: TWLARRY@cybersol.com (Nordhoff, Larry) To: Sue Prullage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.83441.0> References: <<1998Jul21.14945.0>> Organization: Trade Winds Precedence: bulk Sue Prullage wrote: > > I need alittle advise. I know this sounds silly, but I have a chance to > explore teaching and selling products. This sounds great right. Well I > am very good friends with the owner of the only glass shop in the area. > She makes comments about other shops putting glass in there window and > how awful she thinks that is and how they should stay out of her > business. A person approached me about teaching classes at his > business. I would love to do this, but I know my friend will have a > fit. Do I try and incorporate her shop into my class, for example, send > everyone to her shop for glass etc or do I just set it up and say its a > free country. Do you see my problem. If I set it up myself then I can > profit from selling materials on my own. Any suggestions would be > appreciated. > Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi Sue, I think you should promote yourself by teaching the class and selling materials too. If want to mention that your friend has some things that you do not offer this would be a good way to smooth ruffeled feathers. Competition is what this country is built on. It sounds like your friend needs to learn this. She should not worry about what other shops offer, if her prices are fair and service is good people will continue to trade with her. I have a bead shop in combination with antiques. I often send people to a shop 20 miles away because I know she has colector beads that I don't have. I haven't lost a coustomer yet and they thank me for sending them to the other shop. I have even gotten calls from the other shop thanking me for sending someone their way. When you go to a show many people offer the same products. Display is what draw people to your booth. Once they are in your booth personality and price become a factor. Good luck with your classes. TW LARRY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 10:58:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: YOUR WORK! Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.24851.0> Precedence: bulk your work, you set the price...........un-acceptable.......move it! If I relied on pricing my work with to compete with the crap from the 3 and 4 world countries....I would clear less than $.02 per hour. SET YOUR PRICE....if you are too high, do it better, faster or find another item to produce. A store that has empty shelves or no suppliers soon becomes a McDonalds....ok,though, have had stock in MCD for years! Working with "friends" who do not have a clue is a recipe for disaster.....Who do you think would be the last person to get paid (if at all) if finances become tight. Surely a "friend" would understand! Enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 11:00:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Water Pik on Grinder??? Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:19:28 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul21.171928.0> Precedence: bulk I bet if you set up the grinder and water pik on a foot pedal you could get both to come on at the same time. deb In a message dated 98-07-20 17:44:05 EDT, you write: > >(also getting ready to rig up a Water Pik to feed > >water to the drill bit on my grinder... > > Hmmmm... this sounds very interesting. The "automatic" water feed on my > grinder never works to my satisfaction and the sponge is frustrating. > Would you be willing to share how you plan to rig this up? Would this > work for the grinding bits as well? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 11:37:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oh what a nightmare-update Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:57:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199807211933.PAA24941@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > friend though. How are these girls going to learn that your word means > something if their first business venture starts out this way? Seems to me they just learned a very important lesson: get it in writing, especially where friends/family are concerned. That's being businesslike. They also learned skepticism pays. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 12:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Sue Prullage" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:16:22 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.101622.0> Precedence: bulk Try to explain your friend the merit of healthy competition. Anyway Sue, one can't stop progress for fear of offending some, the morne. Look at it from another view, if you are going to teach, then your are creating your own customers, you are not stealing any of your friend's. In the course of time it may happen that some of her regulars may come to you, but then it may also happen that some of yours may go to her. It is a delicate issue, certainly, but I would say go for it. The more you earn, the more you will be able to spend on your art, with more money you will be able to experiment with stained glass and that would be good to the whole of Stained Glass community. That is opinion. I look forward to hear what you have decided in the nd. Just Started Home Page: Visit if you have nothing else to do. But docome back, things certainly will change. Planning on adding photos of myself, studio and some works. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my -----Original Message----- From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 10:35 PM Subject: friendship vs glass >I need alittle advise. I know this sounds silly, but I have a chance to >explore teaching and selling products. This sounds great right. Well I >am very good friends with the owner of the only glass shop in the area. >She makes comments about other shops putting glass in there window and >how awful she thinks that is and how they should stay out of her >business. A person approached me about teaching classes at his >business. I would love to do this, but I know my friend will have a >fit. Do I try and incorporate her shop into my class, for example, send >everyone to her shop for glass etc or do I just set it up and say its a >free country. Do you see my problem. If I set it up myself then I can >profit from selling materials on my own. Any suggestions would be >appreciated. >Sue >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 12:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Suppliers I need your help. Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199807211856.OAA15741@water.waterw.com> Precedence: bulk We are in need of 6 sheets of 1/16" float glass Dichroic single weight that transmits a medium to dark blue and reflects magenta. Not a light baby blue. We are also in need of 3 sheets of 1/8" float glass Dichroic that transmits red (and I mean blood red....not orange) and reflects cyan. If anyone out there has this in stock or knows of where I can find this and not in six weeks but now please email me ASAP. Thank you all in advance. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 13:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:30:40 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul21.193040.0> Precedence: bulk Go ahead and dive into the water! Life is too short. Start your business, teach, enjoy yourself. We meet lots of different people throughout our lives; some become lifelong acquaintences, some become friends for life. People change, situations change, our lives change suddenly without our permission. You have to be comfortable with your decisions because they will impact on your life. And you know what.......don't project, it won't get you anywhere and it really does more harm then good. It's Ok if your friend feels threatened...they'll get over it...it isn't about her, its about you. Go for it. Maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 13:35:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: Norman & Claudette Jaramillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Pattern Book Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:53:36 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.115336.0> References: <<1998Jul11.23421.0>> Organization: The Stained Glass Place Precedence: bulk Am a little late with this, but just getting caught up from the trade show in Houston. There was a discussion on publishing in the class I took, and thanks to Nancy Willamon, A. Marsden-Plum Gully, Gil Reynolds and Debbie Oxley, I learned some interesting things. They highly recommend doing your own publishing if possible, but as a second choice, CKE publishes patterns, along with GPQ. Might want to check with them on procedures. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 17:35:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: More glass/more artists Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.145912.0> Precedence: bulk Albert says: "The more glass and glass = outlets there are, the more the = consciousness of the public = is raised and the more glass is appreciated." = Amen. Haven't you ever noticed how antique stores seem to = congregate by the dozens? The owners are smart - they know that lots of folks will drive hundreds of miles to visit twenty shops.... but, few will do that to visit just one. Glass shops need to develop the same = kind of business savvy. = And, of course, the added benefit is the quality of work that results when we have a little healthy competition! It doesn't hurt any of us to reach for the best instead of staying mired in our own comfortable little niches. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/greer/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 18:00:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MISGLAS From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: New in town Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:25:36 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul22.02536.0> Precedence: bulk I recently relocated to a different state. (I'm a trailing spouse) Have been doing glass for 10 yrs as a hobby and therapy while working in corporate america and don't want to go back to that arena ever again. I want to expand my glass art into a real business. I can teach but don't know if I want to go that way. I'm in a pretty artsy area (Madison, Wisconsin) Any suggestions from the group on how to proceed? Your help would be greatly appreciated. I really enjoy this group and have learned alot of "tips". Also check out my website. I know it needs work, but it sure was fun to create. I want to expand in that area as well. http://members.aol.com/misglas/index.htm Thanks all. Kathi Poyneer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 18:31:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:54:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807220052.RAA04434@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk > >Hi Sue, >Go for it!!! >You can't please everyone, but you sure can please yourself. >I know this may sound hard, but you might have to just toughen up against those that don't like things! >But what it boils down to is....if someone gets upset cause you are going forwards that's unfortunatly their problem. >Just go with your heart, you sound like a very nice person and I think you should go forwards. >Smiles, Cindy >PS: If this is a real good friendship, maybe she should be happy for you and not upset. > >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 19:03:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Oh what a nightmare-update Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:06:17 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul22.1617.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/21/98 1:02:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SusieHUs@aol.com writes: << All the way around here, she sounds like bad news with whom to be doing business. >> I couldn't agree more! And you get my vote on the next round of sainthood for keeping your cool even slightly. I'd write this place off and look for somewhere else to sell my stuff that is more professionally (or at least honestly) run. Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 19:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BMarhon From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: friendship vs glass Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:13:24 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul22.11324.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 7/21/98 3:14:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shakeel@tm.net.my writes: << if you are going to teach, then your are creating your own customers, you are not stealing any of your friend's. >> He's right - I hadn't thought of it that way. Go for it! Brenda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 19:53:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pop3.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Hartley Wood Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:02:22 +0000 Message-ID: <199807220105.CAA12430@saturn.nildram.co.uk> Precedence: bulk Hello EliZabeth, et al The old Hartley-Wood site is gone (... a housing association sounds about right...). "The Glass Centre" in Sunderland opened about 3 weeks ago and is now in full swing. I certainly want to visit it myself. I also feel, the earlier the better, while they've got their "early enthusiasm" up and running and before they become complacent.... I think you know what I mean.... They currently have a "Complete Display" of HW glass -, whatever this means. The ex-employees are - I understand - in deed currently based at The Glass Centre. But I don't know how permanent this is. One of my students went for a "glass-blowing week-end" there, shortly after the opening. He loved every minute of it and brought proudly the resultant product to show me. He had also taken his wife, who was made to join up a "lead stained glass class". My student was highly amused at her initial horror of the fact that she actually was expected to CUT glass..... I have all the blurb about the Sunderland Glass Centre. Any of you in UK interested, send me an e-mail off group and I'll post it to you , though I have an idea that I have already sent you info some months ago. I have your snail-mail addresses (unless there are NEW UK Bunginians lurking, that I don't know about). By the way, She-Who-Is-Omnipotent-And-Must-Be-Obeyed (i.e. Glenna Rand) is coming over to Europe with Dave. I am trying to sweet-talk her to make a little detour to UK from Amsterdam middle of August. I intend to hound all of you individually for some kind of get-together which I'll be delighted to host..... Any initial suggestions..?? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK At 00:43 21/07/98 +0000, EliSabeth wrote: >UK Hartley-Woood Glass, by the way - is shortly to be "resurrected". >About 4 of the original Hartley-Wood experts have joined EliZabeth in Bournemouth wrote: That would be terrific if they were to carry on making the same quality of glass that the original company did. (snip) We heard that the old site is going for housing development, so wonder if the new company will be sited at the new glass centre in Sunderland which I think is now open. Have you had the chance to visit it? We keep promising ourselves a trip one day but never seem to have the time. By the way, did your Australian students finish their 6 foot crocodile? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 20:06:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: i2020.net!wickline From: "Robert G. and Rebecca T. Wickline" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Nice glass people Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.175321.0> Organization: Personal Precedence: bulk Just got back from a trip from Va. to Wisc. and back. Long drive. While I was in Green Bay stopped in at a stained glass store called Glas Haus. I needed to find an address for Delphi that I had forgotten at home. Very nice person took time from her own work to find it for me and then of course we discussed glass. Don't know if she is on line with us or not, but want to thank her anyway for her help. Glass people are really nice. Maybe if she's not on line this will get to her anyway. Unfortunately I ran out of time and didn't get to Delphi. Thanks anyway Becky ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 21 21:03:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: Subject: help with trying to scan patterns for e-mail Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:21:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.13212.0> Precedence: bulk Hi, I have been trying to scan some patterns I have to send to a friend on the ArtGlass World bulletin board. But I am having troubles. It keeps scanning them to 400%. We have a hewellet packard scanjet 5p. does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this. I have been playing with this for an hour and can't figure it out. thanks, Cheryl Parrott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 02:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 02:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: help with trying to scan patterns for e-mail Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 05:19:11 +0000 Message-ID: <199807221055.GAA08845@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I have been trying to scan some patterns I have to send to a friend on the > ArtGlass World bulletin board. But I am having troubles. It keeps scanning > them to 400%. There should be a setting in the software that will allow you to change that. If not (I'm not familiar with the HP scanner and don't know what software you're using), you can download Paint Shop Pro at http://www.download.com/PC/Result/TitleList/1,2,0-a-0-0-b-1,00.html?st .dl.tdl.qs.results and use it to resize (and a millyun other things) the scans. It's shareware, which means you only pay for it if you decide to keep it, but it's on the honor system, so I guess you wouldn't have to, although I always do (buffing my nails on my ... er, robe at this point). Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 05:54:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 05:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: "Bungi Group" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:21:08 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.4218.0> Precedence: bulk Folks Been thinking of getting up the home page this weekend. Anyone know where I can get the images and icons and bells & whistles I can use to build the home page? Thanks a lot in advance. Just Started Home Page: Visit if you have nothing else to do. But docome back, things certainly will change. Planning on adding photos of myself, studio and some works. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 06:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 05:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Thanks for the support Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:36:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.1360.0> Precedence: bulk I appreciate all the support on my business adventure. There were many views I had not thought of and made me look at the whole thing in a different light. Thanks again, going to investigate alittle further, but I really want to do this and probably will. As one smart person said "life is too short." Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 06:26:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:07:25 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul22.13725.0> Precedence: bulk Mike asks: > did you by any chance use flux remover (that stuff is > impossible to remove and can cause this. Nope. Never heard of the stuff. > did you dip in the the patina bottle the last time? Nope. > did you shake the bottle before you used it? Yup. (Force of habit, I tend to shake everything before I open it... occasionally I have to stop myself from shaking a bottle of seltzer before I open it =8-O ) I wondered myself if maybe it was the detergent - some of those are pretty alkaline. I think I'll try some mild (non-conditioning) shampoo or something like that next time and see if that works better. In the mean time, where *did* I put that steel wool? Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 06:56:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <199807221338.JAA00429@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jul23.4218.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel Abedi twists the bytes to say: Shakeel> Folks Shakeel> Been thinking of getting up the home page this weekend. Shakeel> Anyone know where I can get the images and icons and bells & whistles I can Shakeel> use to build the home page? Shakeel> Thanks a lot in advance. I know this is going to be arguable, but here I go. With all the respect, Shakeel, icons and images not related to your content are only distracting and make pages too busy. Concentrate in the content --that is what makes a page important-- and then add visual impact that you're looking for. Mike's page is good not because the visual effect that the pages have, rather, because it is loaded with information. My two canadian cents. -- Daniel M. German http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 07:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: 7cities.net!cpjaram From: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" To: "Bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Forwarded Question: obscuring white Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:22:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul21.142220.0> Precedence: bulk Could anyone help this person? I have never head of obscuring white. thanks cj -----Original Message----- From: Chris De Koning To: cpjaram@7cities.net Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:23 PM Subject: obscuring white >Hi Claudette! > >This obscuring white is a term given to me by someone in the industry. What >I am trying to achieve is almost >exactly like calcium build up on a coffee pot. I have a turn of the century >church window which has this tecnique >on the inner diamonds. I think a substance is painted on then fired. I >would appreciate any help. > >Thanks > >Christine > >dekon@f1-help.on.ca > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 07:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807221413.HAA23050@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Sparks....did you get your electrical problem figured out yet?:):) Try TSP first, find it at the hardware store... Then go with your dish soap... like Joy. Smiles, Cindy > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 07:54:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: mirrors and tremclad Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807221413.HAA23601@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I'm rushing around the clock to get some last minute glass work done before holidays...yesterday was jewelery boxes for a woman in Nazko. I ran out of mirror flux for one box bottom, so I grab a can of spray... thought it was a clear varathane... But as it turned out it wasn't.....it's the new BBque paint I bought! Heat resistant black tremclad! So I went with it, it applied quite nicely...nice smooth finish on the back side of the mirror. I continued once fully dried to foil and solder. Hey could this be a new product for glass work with mirrors? The heat resistance part of it would be helpful:):) And it seems to make solid contact to the back of the mirror. Any comments...topic of the day?? I think it will work out fine...but let me know if anyone has tried this.. I leave next week. Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 07:59:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:57:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.35740.0> Precedence: bulk Dear Fellow Glass workers, I have tackled a big piece of stained glass. OK, not so big in size, 22" x 33", but difficult for me anyway. It has almost 200 pieces. I have selected the glass, traced the pattern onto poster board, numbered and color coded, cut out, cut the zinc cam for boarders and by all rights I should be ready to start cutting.Right? Somehow I can't bring myself to put cutter to glass. I keep finding things I should do before I start, like clean the shop, take inventory of supplies, etc.. Finally, last night I decided I'm just plain scared. I've only done one other lead project so my confidence is not very high right now. The project is for my son's new bathroom window and has koi, lilly pads and water. I've selected blue baroque glass for the water and it will take some planning to get the ripples just right. Can you think of anything I've missed? Tia Nelda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 08:17:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Re:Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:21:07 -0400 Message-ID: <199807221412.KAA06784@dns.city-net.com> Precedence: bulk Shakeel, >snip > I know this is going to be arguable, but here I go. > > With all the respect, Shakeel, icons and images not related to your > content are only distracting and make pages too busy. > > Concentrate in the content --that is what makes a page important-- and > then add visual impact that you're looking for. Mike's page is good > not because the visual effect that the pages have, rather, because it > is loaded with information. I believe having a little fun on your page is okay - especially if it's related to what you are trying to say. Like an animated mailbox to give the user a place to send you a comment. This address has some backgrounds and animated icons: http://www.nzwwa.com/mirror/frontend/index.htm Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany ********************************************************************* Many new pictures up on my Stained Glass Pages. Please come and visit! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 08:24:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:38:38 +0000 Message-ID: <199807221615.MAA18875@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > With all the respect, Shakeel, icons and images not related to your > content are only distracting and make pages too busy. I agree, Daniel. For instance, on the new site I'm developing for Pat Topp, I turned some of her work into the buttons. Take a look at http://www.diacca.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 08:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: tsp Was:having a Bad Patina Day Date: Wed, 22 Jul 98 07:54:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<199807221413.HAA23050@baby.vphos.net>> Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Sparks....did you get your electrical problem figured out yet?:):) > Try TSP first, find it at the hardware store... > Then go with your dish soap... like Joy. > Smiles, Cindy tsp does a real bad job on your hands. be sure to wear gloves of some kind and watch out for spattering. there's also a tsp replacement, also called tsp but without the phosphate (how's that for false advertising) that works well too. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 08:58:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Janepollak From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: removal Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:15:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul22.151556.0> Precedence: bulk Thanks for your assistance with my glass needs. As they were incidental, you can remove me from your list. Thanks, Jane Pollak ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 09:21:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Witchdoc3@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:19:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.71921.0> References: <<1998Jul22.13725.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3@aol.com wrote: > > Mike asks: > > > did you by any chance use flux remover (that stuff is > > impossible to remove and can cause this. > > Nope. Never heard of the stuff. > > > did you dip in the the patina bottle the last time? > > Nope. > > > did you shake the bottle before you used it? > > Yup. (Force of habit, I tend to shake everything before I open it... > occasionally I have to stop myself from shaking a bottle of seltzer before I > open it =8-O ) > > I wondered myself if maybe it was the detergent - some of those are pretty > alkaline. I think I'll try some mild (non-conditioning) shampoo or something > like that next time and see if that works better. In the mean time, where > *did* I put that steel wool? Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! > > Sparks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i heard that baby shampoo may work.. maybe your water turned hard over night. perhaps due to a water main repair. or you could have simply waited too long and the patina would'nt take for that reason. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 09:26:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Cindy Pesonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mirrors and tremclad Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.7222.0> References: <<199807221413.HAA23601@baby.vphos.net>> Precedence: bulk Cindy Pesonen wrote: > > Hi guys, > I'm rushing around the clock to get some last minute glass work done before > holidays...yesterday was jewelery boxes for a woman in Nazko. > I ran out of mirror flux for one box bottom, so I grab a can of spray... > thought it was a clear varathane... > But as it turned out it wasn't.....it's the new BBque paint I bought! > Heat resistant black tremclad! > So I went with it, it applied quite nicely...nice smooth finish on the back > side of the mirror. I continued once fully dried to foil and solder. > Hey could this be a new product for glass work with mirrors? > The heat resistance part of it would be helpful:):) > And it seems to make solid contact to the back of the mirror. > Any comments...topic of the day?? > I think it will work out fine...but let me know if anyone has tried this.. > I leave next week. > Smiles, Cindy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass primarily, it should work. mainly the mirror needs to be sealed one way or another. if the mirror never got ground, chances are it may not blacken, anyway... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 09:49:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: fibers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:25:48 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.72548.0> References: <<1998Jul22.35740.0>> Precedence: bulk fibers wrote: > > Dear Fellow Glass workers, > I have tackled a big piece of stained glass. OK, not so big in size, 22" > x 33", but difficult for me anyway. It has almost 200 pieces. I have > selected the glass, traced the pattern onto poster board, numbered and > color coded, cut out, cut the zinc cam for boarders and by all rights I > should be ready to start cutting.Right? > Somehow I can't bring myself to put cutter to glass. I keep finding > things I should do before I start, like clean the shop, take inventory > of supplies, etc.. Finally, last night I decided I'm just plain scared. > I've only done one other lead project so my confidence is not very high > right now. > The project is for my son's new bathroom window and has koi, lilly pads > and water. I've selected blue baroque glass for the water and it will > take some planning to get the ripples just right. > Can you think of anything I've missed? > Tia > Nelda > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's one easy trick that i do. alot of my pieces are now over 300-2500. do one piece at a time... simple as that. don't think of the entire project, or how long it's going to take you to complete it (especially if it's not a rush project). make a piece, do another, and another, and another. one more piece done now, is one less piece you'll have to do tommorow. though i hav'nt started it yet, my sky city project is up to around 2100 pieces, and that's just the shade (which still is'nt done design wise). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 09:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: obscuring white Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199807221641.MAA20284@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > >This obscuring white is a term given to me by someone in the industry. What > >I am trying to achieve is almost > >exactly like calcium build up on a coffee pot. I have a turn of the century > >church window which has this tecnique > >on the inner diamonds. I think a substance is painted on then fired. I > >would appreciate any help. Julie Sloan of Cummings Studios says it's called "opaquing white" and that it's available from Reusche: Reusche & Co. of T.W.S., Inc., 1299 H Street, Greeley CO 80631. Phone: (970) 346-8577. Fax: (970) 346-8575. Paint, painting kits, manufacturer. Paint brushes, fusing and painting enamels. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 10:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807221611.JAA06262@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Nelda, I've been doing glass for 17 years now....and I can tell you I've been in those shoes... For some reason this can happen, not to worry you'll get up and over the rock. Sounds like a beauitful window! Take your time with it, to feel comfortable...if time isn't important. While working stop for just a short while... then come back to it and re-examine the progress. I do that if not sure on colors....the hardest for me this year was determining colors for a motorcycle engine. Best advise is to enjoy it. Sometimes we all feel this way, and sometimes we might do things different the next time, but this is now and have fun. Smiles, Cindy > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 10:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:39:56 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul22.163956.0> Precedence: bulk Daniel says to Shakeel: > With all the respect, Shakeel, icons and images not > related to your content are only distracting and make > pages too busy. I agree 100%, and I would add that another big no-no is COLORED BACKGROUNDS especially dark-colored or patterned ones. Lots of people who design their own pages on color screens tend to go hog-wild, forgetting that some folks are still in the stone age with B&W or grayscale monitors and 28.8 modems and non- frame browsers, and I can say from experience that the result is a page that takes several minutes to load (and looks like a mass of black because the background obscures the text), or doesn't load at all. (My brother the computer graphic designer says, "A lot of beginners do that. They figure, 'I've got [color, sound, movie, or whatever], therefore I *have* to use it.' They try to 'wow' people and forget that they're supposed to be trying to *communicate.*") If you *must* create a pull-out-all-the-stops fancy-schmancy page, at the same time you need to build the same page in good old plain-black-text-on-white HTML with pictures in ordinary JPEG of GIF or whatever. Better yet, your "index" page should always be no-frills HTML with maybe one picture as a "teaser" - save the fancies for pages 2 through ???, and indicate on your main index that you need frame and color capability to go to such-and-such pages. The main thing to remember is, you want to *display* your glasswork, not upstage it with your programming ability. Take a look at several art-show or museum catalogs. The text is always unobtrusive, and the pictures either take up entire pages or if they're 2 to a page they're surrounded by sizeable white space so the pictures don't fight with each other. You just about can't go wrong following their lead. Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 10:30:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, cpjaram@7cities.net Subject: Forwarded Question: obscuring white Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:55:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199807221655.MAA20948@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>>This obscuring white is a term given to me by someone in the industry. What >I am trying to achieve is almost >exactly like calcium build up on a coffee pot. I have a turn of the century >church window which has this tecnique >on the inner diamonds. I think a substance is painted on then fired. I >would appreciate any help. > >Thanks ><< Obsecuring white is a standard product carried in both the Reusche (two shades) and Fusemaster lines. These are classic fire paints. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *US Navy retired, please pay your taxes promptly.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 11:05:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: "Norman & Claudette Jaramillo" ,glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Forwarded Question: obscuring white Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:25:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.19251.0> Precedence: bulk At 20:22 21/07/98 -0600, cj wrote: >Could anyone help this person? I have never head of obscuring white. >thanks cj In their book "Stained Glass Painting, the Isenbergs mention this as follows <> They do not state whether the white paint is fired before painting over it, but I think I would be happier painting over a fired paint than unfired in case of mistakes. Although I've never used it myself, we do sell a white shading paint (amongst other colours) to some of our customers who use it to tone down a piece of glass where needed. Hope this helps. Elizabeth Law (Bournemouth Stained Glass) http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 11:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, cpesonen@bcinternet.net Subject: mirrors and tremclad Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:03:29, -0500 Message-ID: <199807221703.NAA16242@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>I ran out of mirror flux for one box bottom, so I grab a can of spray... thought it was a clear varathane... But as it turned out it wasn't.....it's the new BBque paint I bought! Heat resistant black tremclad! So I went with it, it applied quite nicely...nice smooth finish on the back side of the mirror. I continued once fully dried to foil and solder. Hey could this be a new product for glass work with mirrors? The heat resistance part of it would be helpful:):) And it seems to make solid contact to the back of the mirror. Any comments...topic of the day?? I think it will work out fine...but let me know if anyone has tried this.. I leave next week. Smiles, Cindy<< I think you may be onto something. Having said that, I would suggest that it would be good to test a new product for say at least six weeks before using it on a project. Never can tell, it might eat mirror silvering. Oh what a wet rag I am today, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *US Navy retired, please pay your taxes promptly.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 11:51:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:25:46 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk Nelda-- Koi, lily pads & water? Sounds kinda like the CKE Water Minuet pattern. Been there, done that. See bungi gallery at: http://csg.uwaterloo.ca:80/~dmg/glass/gallery. I used bullseye for the fish and the lilypads--expensive but really nice. The stuff I used for the water was blue and green and heavily rippled. If I was doing it again, I would use something with less texture (I used copper foil and it was a major headache foiling those *@#$ ripples!). It was also hard to cut the long thin pieces--I consider myself a pretty decent cutter, but it took multiple attempts on some of those. As far as tackling a big project, I try to think of it in smaller sections. And although I usually start with the most difficult parts, on a big project it helps to start with the easier stuff (to build confidence, momentum & enthusiasm). Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 12:40:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mercury.net!johnnyc From: Johnny West To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Remove Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:02:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.10245.0> Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for a few days. Thanks,,JW ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 12:57:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:39:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199807222016.QAA01453@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > I agree 100%, and I would add that another big no-no is > > COLORED BACKGROUNDS Especially if you then use white type so it's readable on-screen, then expect them to print out something useful. The white type prints, all right, but white on white is hard to read. And the background won't print at all, so there you are: white paper. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 13:09:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wcnet.net!fibers From: fibers@wcnet.net (fibers) To: "glass@ bungie.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:55:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.85516.0> References: <<35B62C3B.BC98139C@erols.com>> Precedence: bulk Yes, Nadine, I understand what you mean about cutting the "way they lay".I'm starting in the lower left hand corner and it is the 'water'. After reading your post, I've gone back and repositioned the pattern pieces and it looks so much better. Maybe that's just what I needed to get started. At any rate, I've cut the first pieces. They look good and I anxious to get going on the rest of it. Thanks to all of you for the encouragement you offered. It's so nice to have a group to depend on when you are the only one you know who does stained glass. Nelda Nadine Beth Schneider wrote: > Hi Nelda. . . > > Take a deep breath and begin. The glass won't bite back! I've used > cobalt baroque for water before and it has always come out beautiful. > Are you going to cut it out continuously? I find it looks best when all > the pieces are cut from a sheet in order that they lay. This is a > little confusing. . do you know what I mean? So that all the lines flow > the way they do when it is whole. Anyway....good luck! > Nadine > > > Dear Fellow Glass workers, > > I have tackled a big piece of stained glass. OK, not so big in size, > > 22" > > x 33", but difficult for me anyway. It has almost 200 pieces. I have > > selected the glass, traced the pattern onto poster board, numbered and > > > > color coded, cut out, cut the zinc cam for boarders and by all rights > > I > > should be ready to start cutting.Right? > > Somehow I can't bring myself to put cutter to glass. I keep finding > > things I should do before I start, like clean the shop, take inventory > > > > of supplies, etc.. Finally, last night I decided I'm just plain > > scared. > > I've only done one other lead project so my confidence is not very > > high > > right now. > > The project is for my son's new bathroom window and has koi, lilly > > pads > > and water. I've selected blue baroque glass for the water and it will > > take some planning to get the ripples just right. > > Can you think of anything I've missed? > > Tia > > Nelda > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 13:44:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!crzylynna From: "Lynn Alchin" To: "fibers" , Subject: Re: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:44:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.24427.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Tia; There are those times when my confidence has escaped out the window also... I have had a friend for 11 years, and we worked on glass together all the time. Now I live in Arizona & she is back in Pennsylvania, and whenever I seem to start a new commission job, I go & work in the garden & re-arrange my glass shelves- do inventory of my glass- go to the distributors to buy more... Then I call Judy. I'm not sure what it is she's says to me, but somehow, after that phone call, I start to cut. She just has a way of saying- stop thinking & start cutting. Tia- I know that this really isn't the kind of input that you probably wanted to hear, but I just wanted to let you know that I go thru the same thing, and it will be all right. Just cut that first piece!! Good luck to you, I'm sure you'll be fine. Sounds to me like you have the bases covered. Lynn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 14:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:46:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Grozing Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:42:46 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk "Grozing" is a concept which I have never really understood. I use my grozers for breaking scores close to the edge of the glass, (sometimes with less than satisfactory results), but beyond that....? Can somebody please explain "grozing?" I gather it has something to do with "nibbling" away the glass, but when, why (and how) does one "groze?" Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 14:42:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:26:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Citadel.edu!HILLEKER From: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: lampshade problem Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul22.94833.0> Precedence: bulk I have a glass problem that makes me mad every time I think about it. I am building a Cattail lamp shade and I am almost finished with it. The problem is that I have stupidly used two different blues as background colors for the cattails. The blues look exactly the same in reflected light, but one of them transmits more light than the other. When they are back-lit they look very different (even to my colorblind eyes!). It would be OK if the blues were separated on the shade, but they are mixed pretty much randomly among the background. I didn't discover this until I had the shade soldered together and I put it over a light to see how it looked. Well, I was so sick I put the shade under a table where it sat for the past five years. My question, is there any way to salvage this shade without taking it apart and redoing all the background? I thought I might try painting the backs of the blue pieces so that they would all have about the same transmittance. Any other ideas? Thank you, and boy am I embarrassed Russ Hilleke hilleker@citadel.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 14:54:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Forwarded Question: obscuring white Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:51:59 +0000 Message-ID: <199807222129.RAA05324@vger.vgernet.net> Precedence: bulk > They do not state whether the white paint is fired before painting over it, > but I think I would be happier painting over a fired paint than unfired in > case of mistakes. Imagine all that painting going on in the work of Tiffany, who often bragged that he never used paint on glass, but achieved his studio's results with opalescent glass. That was, of course, mere braggadocio, since Tiffany Studios panels incorporate *lots of paint, sometimes astounding amounts of it. The famous "Peacock," for example, has a ton of paint on it ... which isn't to say it isn't a stunning piece of work. > Although I've never used it myself, we do sell a white shading paint > (amongst other colours) to some of our customers who use it to tone down a > piece of glass where needed. Even cold paint was (and is) often used for the same reason. I've seen panels "dirtied down" with black or brown so that they appear to be "old" ... or at least as old as those the new panel is joining. That must present a bit of a quandry when it comes time for restoration, since the original windows would be restored to their original (bright?) condition, while the new (dirtied) window would also be restored to its original ... voila! mismatch! I've also seen cold paint that had been (arguably) intentionally applied by the artist to achieve certain effects removed (oh, I mangled this sentence) ... anyway, original paint was removed when it should have been left in place. It's always hard making distinctions and decisions like that during restoration, which is why it's so difficult, time-consuming and expensive, because it needs so much careful thought and research. My 2c worth, anyway. Off soapbox. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 15:26:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Kaye Sodt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Grozing Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:40:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.134038.0> References: <<1970Jan1.000.0>> Precedence: bulk Kaye Sodt wrote: > > "Grozing" is a concept which I have never really understood. I > use my grozers for breaking scores close to the edge of the glass, > (sometimes with less than satisfactory results), but beyond that....? > > Can somebody please explain "grozing?" I gather it has something to > do with "nibbling" away the glass, but when, why (and how) does one > "groze?" > > Kaye > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass grozing really is'nt used as much since grinders became popular. basically you flip you pliers over to the straight side. and then nip little bits of the glass off. sometimes in a scraping motion. it's a bit messy, but good to know, it saves some wear and tear on your grinder. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 16:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: HILLEKER@Citadel.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: lampshade problem Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:44:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.14447.0> References: <<1998Jul22.94833.0>> Precedence: bulk HILLEKER@Citadel.edu wrote: > > I have a glass problem that makes me mad every time > I think about it. I am building a Cattail lamp shade > and I am almost finished with it. The problem is that I > have stupidly used two different blues as background colors > for the cattails. The blues look exactly the same in reflected > light, but one of them transmits more light than the other. > When they are back-lit they look very different (even to my > colorblind eyes!). It would be OK if the blues were separated > on the shade, but they are mixed pretty much randomly among > the background. I didn't discover this until I had the shade > soldered together and I put it over a light to see how it looked. > Well, I was so sick I put the shade under a table where it sat > for the past five years. > > My question, is there any way to salvage this shade without > taking it apart and redoing all the background? I thought I > might try painting the backs of the blue pieces so that > they would all have about the same transmittance. Any other > ideas? > > Thank you, and boy am I embarrassed > > Russ Hilleke > hilleker@citadel.edu > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, you could either leave it like that, and tell people that, "that's my artistic interprataion (sp?). or you can plate the lighter colors with either another color, or the same color, so it's a little darker. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 16:43:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:33:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flinet.com!kenneil From: Ken Neil To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Maltese dog pattern Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Anybody out there have a Maltese dog Pattern?? I already have the Dog gone pattern book which has a Maltese in it, but I'm not to crazy about that one. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Brenda ;-) ******************************************************************** Been There........ Done That! Ken Neil Jupiter, Florida ******************************************************************** ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 18:11:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Totally astonished Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:35:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.10358.0> Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I have been working the last two weeks trying to get myself motivated to get product ready for this fair that opened today. One of my hard fast rules, is never do a fair. But I had done a Christmas Show at the old fair grounds and had been told that the fair was just like the christmas show and the promoters were very good with the crafters. The city just build a new fair and expo center and this is the first year in the new facility. So I thought great, new building, 5 days(killer hours) and only $65 fee. What did I have to loose. Got there this morning and we were in the 4-H building with the chickens, ducks, rabbits, carnies, parrots(that were molting), snakes(including a rattler that was unmaned), lizards, and house plants. The place smelled like a cat litter box. 14 of the 18 crafter scheduled showed up and STAYED. I complained, got my money back, with an apology. I also explained to the new director what it is like to do crafts and how insulting that was. The sign out front the main enterance into the building was in bright neon orange and it said Rabbits and Repitiles. That right there should let you know the people in charge were not thinking. Why would you put natural preditors together with their prey, let alone with crafters. I am still in total disbelief. I literally feel numb. Guess I am in shock!!!! Oh well, hopefully they took what I said(nicely) to heart and will rememdy the process next year. Just thought I would share that one with you all. Shirley B ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 19:14:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Friendship vs Glass Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:25:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.152519.0> Precedence: bulk Sue et al, I am a firm believer in friendship. However, I always think of an old quote when "friends" are involved. " When the world walks out .... a friend walks in". In this case do you think she would walk in? If not she is not a friend she is an acquaintance. Using this definition I have had very few "friends" and many acquaintances. As far as the business end is concerned, when a customer tells you I'll buy one in a different color, different style, etc., she should have gotten their personal information, contacted you and had a "custom" piece. If the customer really wanted the item they would say so. My 2 cents worth. Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 19:34:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ppp24.uwaterloo.ca!dmg From: "Daniel M. German" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re:having a Bad Patina Day Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:29:57 -0400 Message-ID: <199807211429.KAA00518@csgrs6k4.uwaterloo.ca> References: <<1998Jul21.22040.0>> Precedence: bulk Witchdoc3 twists the bytes to say: Witchdoc3> A weird thing happened this afternoon when I went to put copper patina on a Witchdoc3> couple of finished pieces. Freshly soldered, washed (with ordinary liquid Witchdoc3> dishwashing soap - Sunlight, I think), thoroughly rinsed & dried, and I was Witchdoc3> using a new bottle of patina (only used once before, a couple of weeks ago, Witchdoc3> and worked fine then) and a clean cotton rag... and the result was a patchy, Witchdoc3> scuzzy, skanky, uneven mix of not-too-bright copper and corrosion that took a Witchdoc3> hell of a lot of scrubbing with a toothbrush and then more scrubbing with a Witchdoc3> lot of Kem-O-Pro to get looking even marginal. Witchdoc3> Anybody have any idea why it did that? Suggestions on cleaning it up? I am not an expert, but I have similar results after using the copper patina. You then have to use some silicon based wax, polish it, and it will look shiny and as copper (you probably have at this point a reddish, brick-ish colour). I just came back from my "summer trips" and I am getting back to the gallery. Please, those who I have not replied to, bear with me. :) barefoot daniel -- Daniel M. German "That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical John Stuart Mill -> or moral, is not a sufficient warrant." http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 19:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: Backbone needed Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:00:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.16022.0> Precedence: bulk For large or complex projects ... its kind of like: How do you eat an elephant ..... one bite at a time. Try to think of small sections maybe 4" x 4". Good Luck Patrick Roses and Rainbows PS. If you are still wanting to put it off, my garage is in desperate need of cleaning. I have to slide sideways into it. Damn glass cuts all over my belly. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 20:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: n-link.com!pkelly From: "Pat Kelly" To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: RE: New in Town Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:36:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.153659.0> Precedence: bulk First things first. Get a good business plan. You can get find them on the Internet. This will give you a solid basis for investment. Without it it's is a guessing game. The Small Business Administration (USA) can assist you to. Good Luck Patrick Roses and Rainbows ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 21:36:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!scottjf55 From: "scott floyd" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re:grozing Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:23:06 PDT Message-ID: <1998Jul23.1236.0> Precedence: bulk I have always thought of grozing as using the plier with the little "teeth" to kinda pre grind the shards and reverse oyster shells off of the freshly broken piece of glass. It saves from having to grind all those little sharp edges. So it's like a file, you use the jaws to just "groze" the edge. I have used grozing and no grinding for really big lead church window borders. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 22 21:54:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:12:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul22.18129.0> References: <<1998Jul23.4218.0>> Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Anyone know where I can get the images and icons and bells & whistles I can > use to build the home page? Search on Clip Art in Lycos or the like. You will find enough to overwhelm you for weeks. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 01:09:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!Beadnik2 From: Beadnik2@webtv.net (Joan) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Subject: Flash Venting Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1998Jul22.213518.0> Precedence: bulk Through posts on this newsgroup I have learned that by flash venting the kiln I am, in effect, also tempering the glass. This makes it difficult to cut up fused sections or drill into it, so I am no longer flash venting. My question: In the final firing, is there an advantage to flash venting, and tempering, the glass. Does it make the finished piece stronger or less fragile? BTW, I am fusing small pieces in a Quik-Fire kiln to be used as components in jewelry. Thanks! Joan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 02:35:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: Summer time blues...back to glass, and weird tools Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:09:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.12917.0> Precedence: bulk Pathologically Resourceful Weirdo and Hardware Junkie that I am, I'm thinking about investing in a power conditioner/uninterruptible power source, say a 200-watt one. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper than rewiring the house, and will let me keep working. (I'm generally not awake enough to solder in the morning.) What my enquiring mind wants to know is: has anyone tried this? Anyone have any thoughts on the idea? I just replaced all of our computer room UPS units here and when I talked to the engineer who fitted them he mentioned just this. He lives out in the sticks in the UK with ropy power supplies. Being priveleged he had access to old big UPS units and has his whole house on UPS. The mains goes directly into the ups. Obviously this is the ultimate method but a small UPS.. cost 200 dollars would help a lot just to run a computer. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 03:34:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:54:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bham.ac.uk!b.s.jones From: "B. S. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:48:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.124836.0> Precedence: bulk A weird thing happened this afternoon when I went to put copper patina on a couple of finished pieces. Freshly soldered, washed (with ordinary liquid dishwashing soap - Sunlight, I think), thoroughly rinsed & dried, and I was using a new bottle of patina (only used once before, a couple of weeks ago, and worked fine then) and a clean cotton rag... and the result was a patchy, scuzzy, skanky, uneven mix of not-too-bright copper and corrosion that took a hell of a lot of scrubbing with a toothbrush and then more scrubbing with a lot of Kem-O-Pro to get looking even marginal. Anybody have any idea why it did that? Suggestions on cleaning it up? I had this problem with solder. I used solder from a reel classed as lead solder of the right type. The solder was dark grey in color. Recently I found my local stained glass supply store was in walking distance of where I work. When I used their stick solder which was half the price of the other solder I used it worked perfectly with the same patina.The new solder is lighter in color. Used the same flux and cleaning techniques. Brandon S. Jones ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 04:32:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:59:38 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul23.105938.0> Precedence: bulk Hi Sparks, It was nice meeting you at Christie's shop the last time I ventured in. As far as copper patina goes, we have had this conversation on bungi before, quite some time ago. Last time there was really no resolution to the problem either. It just seems to be one of those things that we cannot be sure of having control over. However, IMHO, I say, "SCRUB, SCRUB, SCRUB the @#%* out of the piece before using copper patina. When you think it is clean, scrub it some more and rinse thoroughly using a clean sponge under water, or your hand to get that soap residue off. Rub hard to dry, no air drying and apply patina immediately. Hope this helps. Lenore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 06:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ezl.com!stepsue From: Sue Prullage To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: re. lampshade problem Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:28:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.12813.0> Precedence: bulk Personnally one of the things I love about glass is very seldom is there a perfect piece. Although it was not what you planned does it look bad? Have you gotten an unbiased opinion about the lamp? You may just be too hard on yourself because what you planned did not work. My suggestion would be use the lamp look at it for awhile and if you really can't stand it the way it is then change it. My 2 cents worth. Sue P ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 07:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: having a Bad Patina Day Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:34:32 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul23.133432.0> Precedence: bulk Mike says: > i heard that baby shampoo may work.. I seem to remember Christie using veterinary shampoo for a while; that stuff was pretty good. Of late she's been using "Wipe Out" emulsifier. That's really good stuff, but I think she said it's been discontinued. Dani also suggested horse shampoo. One of our local drug stores carries a few brands of the stuff (at first I thought it was because we're so close to the Devon [PA] Horse Show grounds, but they carry it year-round) - will check it out next time I'm there. I suspect the vet shampoos aren't so full of perfume and other stuff. Anyhoo, it's a mystery. Back to steel wool and green scrubbees... and thanks to everyone for all the helpful hints! Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 07:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tm.net.my!shakeel From: "Shakeel Abedi" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:38:39 +0800 Message-ID: <1998Jul24.03839.0> Precedence: bulk Very True, Albert. I have really despaired at times trying to make out what is on the screen. Visited the Pat Topp's site. Very impressive, Albert, very impressive. Thanks a lot. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ Shakeel Abedi 104, Jalan Mersing 86000 Kluang Johor Malaysia Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 shakeel@tm.net.my -----Original Message----- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. > >> I agree 100%, and I would add that another big no-no is >> >> COLORED BACKGROUNDS > >Especially if you then use white type so it's readable on-screen, >then expect them to print out something useful. The white type >prints, all right, but white on white is hard to read. And the >background won't print at all, so there you are: white paper. > >Albert >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 08:00:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Witchdoc3 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Stop thinking, was Re: Backbone needed Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:34:42 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul23.133442.0> Precedence: bulk Lynn quotes her friend Judy: > stop thinking & start cutting. Truer words were never spoken! I find the same thing is true for me re designing. I can sit and try to "plan" a project (be it glass, desktop publishing, rearranging a room, or whatever) and get nowhere, or I can walk away from it and let it percolate in my subconscious while I do everything else in the world, and finally late some night when I'm dead-tired, my customary late-evening glass of wine is settling in real nice, and the left brain doesn't know what the right brain is doing, the "answer" will pop into my head and I grab my paper and pencils off the nightstand and sketch it out. (My resident significant other, a composer, writes most of his music late at night too. We sometimes get a good chuckle out of realizing that there we are, piled up together like puppies in our comfy nest, both sketching away...) Sparks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 08:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: Shakeel Abedi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.65559.0> References: <<1998Jul24.03839.0>> Precedence: bulk Shakeel Abedi wrote: > > Very True, Albert. I have really despaired at times trying to make out what > is on the screen. > > Visited the Pat Topp's site. Very impressive, Albert, very impressive. > Thanks a lot. > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/2543/ > Shakeel Abedi > 104, Jalan Mersing > 86000 Kluang > Johor > Malaysia > Tel: + 607-7722212 Fax +607-7733313 > shakeel@tm.net.my > > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Lewis > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 5:00 AM > Subject: Re: Non Glass: graphics for homepage. > > > > >> I agree 100%, and I would add that another big no-no is > >> > >> COLORED BACKGROUNDS > > > >Especially if you then use white type so it's readable on-screen, > >then expect them to print out something useful. The white type > >prints, all right, but white on white is hard to read. And the > >background won't print at all, so there you are: white paper. > > > >Albert > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass actually there is a good place for graphics but you need to link back to her site (the graphics are a little obvious). moyera's web jewels: http://www.mysticpc.com/jewels/ ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass - Tips Tricks Photos http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 6-16-98 New Pages Added: 44 New Stained Glass Links, 5 New Stained Glass Tip Pages ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 10:11:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie A. Wood" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: lampshade problem Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:31:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.83150.0> Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:HILLEKER@Citadel.edu >My question, is there any way to salvage this shade without taking it apart and redoing all the background? I thought I = might try painting the backs of the blue pieces so that they would all have about the same transmittance. Any other ideas?< How about finding a glass for plating (2 layers of glass soldered atop one another), which will make one color equal to the other? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 13:41:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Backbone needed Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:19:43 EDT Message-ID: <1998Jul23.201943.0> Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-07-22 11:02:00 EDT, you write: > Can you think of anything I've missed? > Tia Ut uh Tia, you want us to come up with more reasons for you NOT to start your project. Take a DEEP breath, decide which part of this will be FUN to start, maybe the Koi, save the baroque if it scares you, till you get the feel of the panel and remember this is for a Loved one and I'm sure he will be thrilled to come watch every so often to see how its going. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 20:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Grozing Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807232137.OAA27573@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk Grozing saves fingers! Burrs of thin glass on the edge that find their way to your already sore fingers!!! Also lets say cutting a curve or circle and there's little gaps from start to finish from the other start to finish...also saves time on the grinder and saves you from surprize "ouchies". Elizabeth from the UK teaches great lessons on it!...smiles. Smiles, Cindy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 20:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Flash Venting Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807232127.OAA25626@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >Hi Joan, Does flash venting temper glass? Interesting.... as I have always thought it was the annealling process that tempers glass. Joan, I do flash vent always! Have not drilled my pieces, but I can cut easy and grind easy. Flashing vent... is to remore the heating process. Hence slowing the melt. Bob D. from Mountain Meadow is a smart man...who should answer this!! Except for his wet rag stuff...chuckle again, Bob! Smiles, Cindy > >Through posts on this newsgroup I have learned that by flash venting the >kiln I am, in effect, also tempering the glass. This makes it difficult >to cut up fused sections or drill into it, so I am no longer flash >venting. My question: > >In the final firing, is there an advantage to flash venting, and >tempering, the glass. Does it make the finished piece stronger or less >fragile? BTW, I am fusing small pieces in a Quik-Fire kiln to be used as >components in jewelry. > >Thanks! > >Joan > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 20:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!bird_cage From: "Doug Parrott" To: "Albert Lewis" Subject: Re: help with trying to scan patterns for e-mail Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:22:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1998Jul23.132216.0> Precedence: bulk Albert and all, Thank you for the help with my scanner problem. I contacted HP customer service and they walked me through the installation of the software. It appears my husband hadn't downloaded the Paperport Software when he installed the program. Yes, it wasn't me!! However, part of the problem came how I was saving the file. Alls fine now. Thanks for all your help. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 22:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com, cpesonen@bcinternet.net Subject: Flash Venting Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:46:22, -0500 Message-ID: <199807240446.AAA11458@mime3.prodigy.com> Precedence: bulk >>Does flash venting temper glass? Interesting.... as I have always thought it was the annealling process that tempers glass. Joan, I do flash vent always!<< My take on this is as follows: 1. Flash venting is a term normally used to refer to opening the lid of the kiln to quickly reduce the heat and stop the project from being over worked in a normal cool down. Normally the kiln lid is closed at about 1000'F so the kiln can go through the anneal area (often about 950'F) in the normal fashion. Once firing formulas are worked out for repative projects they normally do not include flash venting. 2. Glass that has been properly annealed for its type and thickness will be easier to cut than glass that has been hurried through the anneal zone. By properly annealed I mean that the stress associated with fast cooling is avoided by slow cooling. Glass above about 1000'F can have no stress as it is plastic. 3. Many glasses can build up a certain amount of strain if hurried through the range from anneal temperature to about 700'F. They will be somewhat tempered and hard to cut. 4. Tempered glass, the stuff that shatteres into a million pieces, is a product of a RAPID cooling process that is not normally considered to be within the capability of a stained glass studio. It is best ordered from a tempering facility in the CORRECT size for it can not be resized due to the energy locked within the outer skin of the glass by the rapid cooling process. This glass is about five times as strong as the same glass untempered and much less dangerous should a person be thrown through it. It has surprising characteristics and the same piece of glass may stand up to hammer blows and then be shattered by a BB gun. >>Bob D. from Mountain Meadow is a smart man.<< And I might add very hansom too. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, Escondido, CA, 92026 *US Navy retired, please pay your taxes promptly.* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 23 22:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:03:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bcinternet.net!cpesonen From: cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Flash Venting Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199807240414.VAA28052@baby.vphos.net> Precedence: bulk >> >>>Hi Joan, >> >>Does flash venting temper glass? >>Interesting.... as I have always thought it was the annealling process that >>tempers glass. >>Joan, I do flash vent always! >>Have not drilled my pieces, but I can cut easy and grind easy. >>Flashing vent... is to remore the heating process. >>Hence slowing the melt. >>Bob D. from Mountain Meadow is a smart man...who should answer this!! >>Except for his wet rag stuff...chuckle again, Bob! >>Smiles, Cindy >> >>> >>>Through posts on this newsgroup I have learned that by flash venting the >>>kiln I am, in effect, also tempering the glass. This makes it difficult >>>to cut up fused sections or drill into it, so I am no longer flash >>>venting. My question: >>> >>>In the final firing, is there an advantage to flash venting, and >>>tempering, the glass. Does it make the finished piece stronger or less >>>fragile? BTW, I am fusing small pieces in a Quik-Fire kiln to be used as >>>components in jewelry. >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Joan >>> >>>---- >>>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>> >>> >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >> > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 24 05:15:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bu