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Hi Gary,
	Your "reply all" function applies to the addresses in the header of the
particular piece of mail to which you are replying.  Your Aunt Sophie will
get it only if you include her address in the "To" field

At 12:41 AM 2/28/98 -0500, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote:
>>> What I do is hit the reply all button,
>>LOL someone has made me look again I too have a reply to all button 
>>now I
>>won't have to work so hard at this mail stuff and send to the wrong 
>>people.
>
>I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to
>automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into
>an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will
>not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book,
>she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
>
>Am I wrong?
>
>Gary Dodge
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Dear friends,
        I have, over the past several months, noticed the discussion of the
problems with stained glass in doors, and their slamming. =20
        The one and only door I have done, as well as lots of restrip in it,
(it is foil) I also got the owner to install a door closer as it was on a
very windy side of the house.  So far so good, and the door closes nice and
gently... we got a good one like stores use, not the little screen door
cylinders you get at Walmarts cheap!  Good luck, Meg
 REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!"
    =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?
  Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
               apdo. 24-5655
       Monteverde, Puntarenas
               COSTA RICA
              phone 645 5052

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It entirely depends upon the software you are using.  Some programs
have a "reply to all (sender and recipients) and reply to sender"
button, while on others the "reply all" uses the address book.  Some
are simply going to only have the option of hitting the reply key and
then changing the "to:" field to "glass@bungi.com".  Its frustrating,
but with people using Windows 3.x, Win95, WinNT, MacOS6, MacOS7,
Atari, and multiple flavors of UNIX as operating systems and then the
many programs that are available for each of those operating systems,
there is no simple "just do this" solution. Not everyone has a Pentium
II running Groupwise.

<<quoted message>>
I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button
is to
automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put
into
an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group
will
not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the
book,
she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..


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REPLY TO ALL will only reply to the sender and any addresses that were cc'd
(like "glass@bungi.com").  Just as when I hit REPLY ALL to this e-mail, the
response will be sent directly to you as "dodgestudio...", but also to
"glass@bungi.com."  If you want to make sure, look up in the "To:" box and it
lists those addresses the response will be sent to.
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Ummmm....sorry, Gary, you're wrong.  :-)   The "reply all" button only
means it will reply to all people/lists who were listed in the FROM, TO or
CC boxes of the message you were replying to.  For instance, I hit "reply
all" to your message, and now in my TO box it's going to your address
(because you were the FROM in your message) and the list (because it was
the TO in your message).  If you had done a "reply all" to, say, a message
from Albert, your message would have been FROM you, TO Albert, and TO the
list....and if I then hit "reply all" to your message, mine would show as
being TO you, TO Albert and TO the list.

Clear as mud?

:-)
Steph ~

At 12:41 AM 2/28/98 -0500, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote:
>I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to
>automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into
>an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will
>not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book,
>she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
>
>Am I wrong?



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Dear Sarah,

Yeah, why not driftwood too!
The only problem with driftwood is that you may not find the middle 
holed out & therefore you  may need an awfully long drill-bit to 
drill out the through-hole for the cable ( and the extra weighting 
materials)
With tree-roots that you find naturally in woodlands, the middle bit 
of the stump is always the softer bit and therefore tends to rot and 
disintegrate quicker, providing for a ready-made through-hole.
The "art" is to find them before the rest of the trunk has become 
noticably "mulched" combined with a shape that is interesting and 
suitable for making  to stand up; lots of "knobbly" or twisty bits at 
one end, that could constitute the foot of the base.
Happy hunting!
Elisabeth 'n Toby (who even likes to carry the wood for me!!)

Sarah wrote:

What a wonderful idea! I'll be heading out to the local beach tomorrow to
search for some new driftwood lamp bases!



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Mike Simpson wrote:
> 
>
> 
> Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same
> phrases to mean wildly different things, for the double glazing
> business the phrase "hand made glass" is what we would call a
> leaded panel while "H section" is a particular size of the edge
> spacer that they use in the sealed units. By the way, is there an
> equivalent name for "sealed unit double glazing" in the U.S.?
> 
>
> 
> Now all that is left is to find if the customer is happy.
> 
> Mike Simpson.
> 


Mike,

Most flat glass shops call them triple glazed thermal units, or triple
glazed sealed units.  I have always called them a pain in the ..........

With all the "concern for quality" that I detect in your posts, I know
you'll make the customer happy!

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Subject: Etching tempered glass .... with anything but a logo!
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Just a quick note to say thanks for all the replies to my question about
etching tempered glass.  I am not in the business of tempering glass so
I certainly am not comfortable etching a logo on the certifies that
glass has been tempered.  Which seemed to be the primary emphasis to the
replies.  I do want to see these panels, however, because if I suspect
that this contractor is doing something unethical, I think others should
know about it.

Don, at Stnglsgrn <Stnglsgrn@aol.com>, provided me with a URL that
proved incredibly informative.  It's at www.ppg.com/.  Check it out, it
discusses sandblasting tempered glass, testing for internal stresses,
fabrication and installation requirements, all kinds of stuff!  Thanks,
Don, for the URL!

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[In the message entitled "Re: reply all" on Feb 28,  0:41, dodgestudio@juno.com writes:]
> >> What I do is hit the reply all button,

> 
> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to
> automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into
> an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will
> not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book,
> she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
> 
> Am I wrong?

The reply all button send to all recipients of the original message.

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You should contact the following for copyright forms:
Library of Congress
Publications Section LM-455
Register of Copyrights
Library of Congress
Washington, D.C. 20559-6000
Public Info. Copyright Office
(202) 707-3000 fax (202) 287-9100

It is actually a simple procedure.
Christie A. Wood (who has copyrighted several musical pieces)
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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We will be exhibiting at the Glass Craft Expo!  Stop by and say hello!

Jenna Meredith-Sanders
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>
> Subject:       Re: lamp bases
> Date:          Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:25:53 -0500

> 
> Also, for those of us in Ontario, there is another cost
> consideration - and that is CSA approval. Any electrical product you
> buy from an Ontario retailer has to have gone through the Canadian
> Safety Association (I think that's what it stands for) Inspection.
> 

Good point Sarah re Canadian Standards Association certification.  
What about if i use an old lamp base but use new lamp parts, cords 
etc that have the CSA Cert.  Will tat comply with the intent of the 
law?   

I sure agree with the McKenna's Daniel, look for garage sales then if 
its ok use new electrical parts.  Now that i think of it i may just 
check that out with a neighbor who worked for Ontario Hydro.

Doug Scale
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dodgestudio@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >> What I do is hit the reply all button,
> >LOL someone has made me look again I too have a reply to all button
> >now I
> >won't have to work so hard at this mail stuff and send to the wrong
> >people.
> 
> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button is to
> automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put into
> an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group will
> not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the book,
> she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
> 
> Am I wrong?
> 
> Gary Dodge
> 
> _____________________________________________________________________

it might vary from browsers, but in netscape re:all is to say: bungi and
the person who wrote it. the person who wrote it gotes first on the
line. and bungi would go second. in order to send it to bungi you would
need to specifally cut and paste the bungi line, (for some reason my
save addresses does'nt work). it's easier to do re:all even though
you'll get the same message 2-3 times.

---Mike Savad
 



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At 11:33 AM 3/1/98 -0500, Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote:
>You should contact the following for copyright forms:
>Library of Congress
>Publications Section LM-455
>Register of Copyrights
>Library of Congress
>Washington, D.C. 20559-6000
>Public Info. Copyright Office
>(202) 707-3000 fax (202) 287-9100
>
>It is actually a simple procedure.
>Christie A. Wood (who has copyrighted several musical pieces)
>Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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Christie,

Thank you for the information.  Do you have any idea what the cost might be?

Dava
glassurgeon@clis.com


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for a company that submits web sites to search
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Just to let you know, you can access all of the copyright forms online at:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ .

Chad Kemmerlin
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>At 11:33 AM 3/1/98 -0500, Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote:
>>You should contact the following for copyright forms:
>>Library of Congress
>>Publications Section LM-455
>>Register of Copyrights
>>Library of Congress
>>Washington, D.C. 20559-6000
>>Public Info. Copyright Office
>>(202) 707-3000 fax (202) 287-9100


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Ever since reading Valerie's mini-
autobiography, I've been thinking
that I kind of like those personal
statements and would like to see
some more from other people.  =

However, I also see the need to have
some ground rules about sticking to
the subject at hand: glass.  But, can
we set up a monthly or weekly bio
posting?  Someone like Albert, who
has been with bungi forever, could
post his bio then select another bungian
who would post within a certain time
frame.  Then they would select the =

next and so on.  We would have the =

option of refusing, of course.  Something
like this would also be a nice addition
to Common Ground:Glass, don't you =

think?  =


Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
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---------- Forwarded Message ----------

From:   Michael J. Greer, 105715,1412
TO:     Sarah, INTERNET:glass@eagle.ca
DATE:   3/1/98 12:34 PM

RE:     Copy of: Re: lamp bases

How about a trade with a potter
whose pottery you really like?
Ask him to make two ceramic
lamp bases and you'll make two
glass shades.  Then each of you =

ends up with a really nice =

original lamp - for "free". =


Best regards,

Dani Greer
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And further more if you are allergic to latex (like me) they don't make you
break out (though I think they are a little less stretchy, and don't last
quite as long.  Meg

At 10:29 PM 2/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I thought if I sent this without the original message everyone would
>still understand. To protect myself from the burning flux and hot solder
>I use nitrile gloves. They are blue and really fit like a second skin. I
>find I can feel things really well with them and most of the time I
>hardly know I am wearing them.  I buy mine from Houston Stained Glass,
>but I know some commercial industrial places have them. They are made by
>a company called Best.  They cost a little more than latex, but to me,
>it is well worth the price.
>                                                     Nadine
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I would certainly suggest you do NOT wire/re-wire any bases you may think of
re-selling.

I would also be a good idea to check with current electrical codes and
specifications for "portable" lamps.
If a major problem arises (fire or electrocution non-fatal maybe worse than
fatal) from a mis-wired base the solicitors/lawyers could cause you enough
grief to "ruin your day" for the rest of your natural life and even for
your/born and un-born children and their lives as well.

Most of the "acceptable" to USA standards probably meet Canada standards as
well.

Most of the bases come from china and I am not sure if they bear he parts
approved, assembly approved or any underwriters approval. They are sold by
reliable distributors, however.

When I require the use of one of my antique bases, I have a LICENSED
electrician re-wire and check it for me.

Always err on the side of caution!!!!!!!!!
enjoy, H


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I have a bio in my url.....it is primarily slanted for selling my shades,
however.
There is a lot more history to many of us and (bite my tongue) it may even
be fun to peruse if we have that option....I for one do not want to see
epistles of text strewn to us all without an option not to get it.
And of course, repeated on and on and on and on and so forth!
I do trade stories, exaggerations, and whimsy now, but ONLY by request and
only to specific victims

with trepidation, H

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Hi Dani,
I like the idea!
How about 1 a week (I believe there are currently approx 400 
Bunginians), that should keep us going for a few years....;-)
I might even offer to set up & keep organised a Bungi-Bio-archive.
I myself liked Valerie's Bio tremendeously; I have also "hung-onto"  
glimpses of a few other people that have struck a chord with me one 
way or another.
And 1/week I think is a good balance to be accepted by eveybody.
Allowances to be made - of course - for the "First-Ever-Email" from a 
Bungi-Newbie, where they do tend to start off with  a chunky bit of 
"Who Am I" (which I think is both polite, inspiring and useful).

It's a question of a) if everybody agrees and b) who should set the 
ball rolling......
I also think it's an excellent idea that the first contributor 
nominates the second, the second the third... and so on.
A quick check first via private e-mail would ensure that the next 
"nominee" is agreeable. When yes,  the contributor can then end 
his/her contributions with the words. "I nominate X for the next 
Bio".  If the nominee  refuses point blank, ask someone else 
off-group. Blushes spared.... etc.

How about numbering them, in case if someone's system "crashes" and 
they have lost out on  someone they particularly wanted to hear 
about??
More ideas??
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who knows very well who HIS friends are!!)

Dani wrote:

 Ever 
since reading Valerie's mini-autobiography, I've been thinking that I 
kind of like those personal statements and would like to see some 
more from other people.  =

However, I also see the need to have
some ground rules about sticking to
the subject at hand: glass.  But, can
we set up a monthly or weekly bio
posting?  Someone like Albert, who
has been with bungi forever, could
post his bio then select another bungian
who would post within a certain time
frame.  Then they would select the =

next and so on.  We would have the =

option of refusing, of course.  Something
like this would also be a nice addition
to Common Ground:Glass, don't you =

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Dear PJ,
Have spent 2 days trying to send you an e-mail
Your server seem to be "kaputt" or something.
My system tells me it will continue to try for 5 days.
Every 4 hours I get a non-delivery message.
Hope to catch up with you eventually.
My Best
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

P.S. Thanks folks for your patience....
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I would like to volunteer my services to store the Bios. I have plenty
of space on my hard drive and would willingly add another if needed.

There should be rules set down from the start to protect the member.
For Example:

Information to be used only for the group
Information not to be used in a commercial endeavor, unless approved by
the               originator.
etc, etc, etc.

As the robot in "Short Circuit" film says " Input .... Input ....
Input".


Patrick
Roses and Rainbows to all



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>> Also, for those of us in Ontario, there is another cost
>> consideration - and that is CSA approval. Any electrical product you
>> buy from an Ontario retailer has to have gone through the Canadian
>> Safety Association (I think that's what it stands for) Inspection.
>>
>
>Good point Sarah re Canadian Standards Association certification.
>What about if i use an old lamp base but use new lamp parts, cords
>etc that have the CSA Cert.  Will tat comply with the intent of the
>law?
>
>I sure agree with the McKenna's Daniel, look for garage sales then if
>its ok use new electrical parts.  Now that i think of it i may just
>check that out with a neighbor who worked for Ontario Hydro.
>
>Doug Scale
>Fire Creations in Glass
>Corunna, Ontario

>From my understanding, if an item is hand made, such as a stained glass
lamp which is swagged, then the consumer purchases it as such. But if an
item is manufactured, such as a lampbase, a soldering iron, a grinder,
etc..then the customer has an expectation of sound manufacture, and
certified wiring. Canadian business owners should be aware of this
certification requirement, because the consequences of selling uncertified
products are VERY severe. The fines are huge and they can even close down
your business. The hydro inspectors don't have much of a sense of humor
about these things.

Also, if you import goods which have electrical components and you don't
have them CSA approved and you sell them and they prove defective, start a
fire, or whatever, you can be held liable, and I'm not sure if your
insurance will cover it. To get around this, you will sometimes see unwired
lampbases with wiring sold separately that the customer assembles
themselves, this is no problem.

In case you were wondering why rheostats, Inland soldering irons and most
other cheap irons aren't available in Canada, it's because they won't pass
the CSA approval process - it is much stricter than the US safety
requirements. Be careful!

Sarah


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Hey! That sounds like a peach of an idea!!
(by the way, I thought Toby was Elizabeths husband!) τΏτ
Susan
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Hi all.
I have almost finished one of 2 panels that are to recessed into ceiling. I
still have to put zinc border on, and the rebar. I will be putting black
patina on the solder, what about the border? I know it will be behind moulding
when it is put up, but would it look more professional if I colored it also?
Any tips for cutting the zinc border and the rebar?
Thanks guys,
Susan
P.S. still waiting on blue glass for background of giraffe. I'm dreading all
the foiling etc. for that one!
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How about setting up in alphabetical order.
We can input as we see fit and easy enough to sort that way.

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We actually have one of our patterns (a fruit basket design) that is
designed specifically to incorporate into a tile backsplash.

Gary Dodge                dodgestudio.com

P.S.           Thanks to all who helped me understand the function of the
reply all button.

Now I can stop typing "glass@bungi.com!  


On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:45:04 -0800 Shirley Balloch
<balloch@netbridge.net> writes:
>How about making your own tile back splash with stained glass and
>Mosasic Stone Cement.  The stuff they are selling to make coasters 
>with.
>It looks and acts like tile.  You could carry your theme over into the
>back splash.  Then for some extra accents, make a couple of trivets to
>go with that.
>As for using the coasters as tile, I have been trying to find that 
>out.
>But maybe a few set in with regular tile, at places that would not get
>alot of use.
>
>
>
>
>ace wrote:
>> 
>> re doing our kitchen, would like to have some stained glass 
>incorperated
>> with the tile .have never attemped anything like this before . open 
>to
>> suggestions.


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Hi Stephanie,

Starting to get it.  I just hit reply all and noticed that I can see a
list of where it's going!  Oddly, it seems to be sending one to me and
one to bungi in the cc: list.

I don't keep an address book at all so I'm not really familiar with these
things.

Gary


On Sun, 01 Mar 1998 08:27:50 -0600 Stephanie Hansen
<sgt@glasstreasures.com> writes:
>Ummmm....sorry, Gary, you're wrong.  :-)   The "reply all" button only
>means it will reply to all people/lists who were listed in the FROM, 
>TO or
>CC boxes of the message you were replying to.  For instance, I hit 
>"reply
>all" to your message, and now in my TO box it's going to your address
>(because you were the FROM in your message) and the list (because it 
>was
>the TO in your message).  If you had done a "reply all" to, say, a 
>message
>from Albert, your message would have been FROM you, TO Albert, and TO 
>the
>list....and if I then hit "reply all" to your message, mine would show 
>as
>being TO you, TO Albert and TO the list.
>
>Clear as mud?
>
>:-)
>Steph ~
>
>At 12:41 AM 2/28/98 -0500, dodgestudio@juno.com wrote:
>>I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button 
>is to
>>automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put 
>into
>>an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group 
>will
>>not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the 
>book,
>>she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
>>
>>Am I wrong?
>
>
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So Glenna,

Does this mean that hitting reply all will send to everyone on bungi
directly without the system remailing it and adding a second tag line to
it?

Gary

>dodgestudio@juno.com writes:]
>> >> What I do is hit the reply all button,
>
>> 
>> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button 
>is to
>> automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put 
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>will
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>book,
>> she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
>> 
>> Am I wrong?
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>How about setting up in alphabetical order.
>We can input as we see fit and easy enough to sort that way.

I like that idea!

Len Zyzinski



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Dr Pishu R. Thadhani
104, Jalan Mersing
86000 Kluang
Malaysia
Tel: + 607-7722212, 7722755  Fax: +607-7733313
E-Mail: shakeel@tm.net.my


Hi,

Could someone give a review of the two foilers.

I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the .......

Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you.

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Nope!
He's my sleeping partner! (HE sleeps a lot!)
Lord & Master over all he surveys, including me....
(All would have been revealed, had you had a peep on my WEB-page, 
Susan!!)

Alphabetical order... hmm, an idea Howard!
Could be a bit erratic: Is it H for Howard, R for Rubin or W for 
Weaver, or perhaps E for Elaine?? And what about the pseudonymns?
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Susan wrote:
Hey! That sounds like a peach of an idea!!
(by the way, I thought Toby was Elizabeths husband!) _+_

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We've had a few people volunteer to help with this project.  What if we all
sent our bios to one person who then posts one each week?  That way no one has
to scramble to write one on a particular week when it may or may not be a
convenient thing to do and there would be a coordinator to keep things going
smoothly.  If that person was running low on bios to post, a simple word to
the group should remind everyone and bring on plenty more.

Just a thought.  Seemed less hectic and scattered.

Susie
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A question by "Shakeel Abedi" (Dr Pishu R. Thadhani)
concerning foilers.

I own a Glastar foiler and LOVE it.  Can't say enough good
about it.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA

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CWWSLW wrote:
I use a dremel type tool with reinforced cutting disks to cut zinc.
Fast and easy.

Shiela


> Hi all.
> I have almost finished one of 2 panels that are to recessed into ceiling. I
> still have to put zinc border on, and the rebar. I will be putting black
> patina on the solder, what about the border? I know it will be behind moulding
> when it is put up, but would it look more professional if I colored it also?
> Any tips for cutting the zinc border and the rebar?
> Thanks guys,
> Susan
> P.S. still waiting on blue glass for background of giraffe. I'm dreading all
> the foiling etc. for that one!
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In a message dated 98-02-27 19:57:47 EST, you write:

> The flat side of glass globs are on the walking surface as opposed to
marbles
>  that do not have a flat side. 
Well not really.... in this stone, as I saw in another I put the rounded side
to the top, it gives it a dimension, as you see just a small area on top but
the glow of the remaining stone buried under the cement is really very
interesting.  The total amount peering out of the stone is about 1/4" and that
is only showing after you dig away at it a bit,
deb
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I use 2 separate Inland Edgemaster foiling machines which are
permanently set up for use according to the size of the foil. I've
screwed them down to my counter top in a nice bright corner of the
studio where noone bumps into the arms hanging over the counter. When
they aren't in use (mostly  during tax time and my January vacation!) I
place a great big freezer bag over them and run a fat broccoli rubber
band around the bottom to keep the foil from getting too exposed. One is
just 1/4" foils, and the other is just 7/32"  foils. Once in a blue moon
I also use my Glastar hand foilers, of which I own one 3/16", one 7/32",
& one 1/4". I had to remodel my Edgemaster foilers back to the design of
the original Edgemasters by getting rid of the little doohickeys that
you're supposed to run the glass through to align it on the wheels. They
were made to be flipped up/back if one did not wish to use it, but I
NEVER use them and they kept getting in the way! So I undid the screw at
the center of the arm, lifted up the top piece with the alignment rigs
hinged to it, and slid the alignment guides completely off their little
hinge pins. I then took an emery board (fingernail file) and gently
filed the paper-separation guides down a bit and VERY slightly rounded
them so that they no longer tear or wrinkle up the foil while separating
it from it's backing paper. Voila! Back to the original Edgemaster
design, or at least close enough to work well...
Ciao for now!
V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
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> Could someone give a review of the two foilers.
> I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the .......
> Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you.
> Thanks,
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> Something I am still trying to make sense of, especially since a lot 
> of terminology is "imported" from other English speaking countries 
> and take on yet ANOTHER different meaning.... :-(

Your comment reminded me of an experience I had that parallels your 
question: A friend of mine and I were visiting some German friends in 
their home in Berlin (I lived there for three years in the early 
60s). The family parakeet was flying around the house. We were all 
just sitting around chatting. Suddenly, the bird let fly and the 
hostess looked alarmed. "He missed," I muttered in English, since the 
bird had been just above me at the time. The hostess' expression 
changed to one of shock and detestation. I didn't realize why until 
later, when my German vocabulary had expanded beyond what I'd learned 
in my high school classes: "missed" sounds like "mist" ... and "mist" 
is the German word for (no offense ) ka-ka. Very crude word, true, 
but I was totally innocent. Funny, they never invited us back, now 
that I think of it.

> Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same
> phrases to mean wildly different things

It may be interesting to know that the meaning and "social 
acceptability" of certain glass descriptions has changed. A hundred 
years ago "art glass" was a derogatory term, referring to the low-end 
windows and door lights available from Sears Roebuck and other 
outlets like lumber yards. Nowadays, it's the preferred phrase for 
high-end products.

Albert

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> Will someone tell me where to get info on the procedure and price of copy
> writing patterns?

Dava, under current copyright law, anything you create is copyrighted 
the instant you make it. It isn't necessary to write "Copyright 1998 
Dana [Last Name]," although that makes the fact of its copyright a 
little more clear to those who don't know the law. If you write 
"Copyright (c) 1998 Dana [Last Name]," you've made the copyright 
effective internationally under the Berne Convention.

If you want to register the copyright, the Copyright Office of the 
Library of Congress will send you the forms, which you send in with 
the $20 fee. (I think it's $20.) The Library of Congress has a web 
site.

You can sue anyone for copying your work whether the copyright is 
registered or not. If it isn't registered and your copyright is 
upheld, they can be forced to cease copying your work. If your 
copyright is registered, you can also collect damages.

Hope this is helpful.

Albert Lewis, Executive Director
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Hey,  I second this idea!  I would love to learn more about everyone
here, but I'd like think that everyone will be able to put something
together at their leisure, rather than throwing something together at
the last moment.

Just my thoughts,

Mike Peck

SusieHUs wrote:
> 
> We've had a few people volunteer to help with this project.  What if we all
> sent our bios to one person who then posts one each week?  That way no one has
> to scramble to write one on a particular week when it may or may not be a
> convenient thing to do and there would be a coordinator to keep things going
> smoothly.  If that person was running low on bios to post, a simple word to
> the group should remind everyone and bring on plenty more.
> 
> Just a thought.  Seemed less hectic and scattered.
> 
> Susie
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>So, here is my plea to all you. Can you please tell me in which kind
>of stores I can buy stands that can be used for tiny lamps? I don't
>want something very expesive (what about under US$20). 

For my first lamp, I took an old lamp I had at the house and removed the
shade and just made sure to pick the right size lamp shape and hardware when
I made the lamp.  The base was wood and sure it didn't come out at great
looking as with a regular stain glass base but it gave me a quick and cheap
way to see the mistakes I made.  After that, the other bases I have used
have been either ones from flea markets (which have some great interesting
bases but the world's most awful looking shades) or smaller ones that come
from craft stores.  If I ever make one on commission or for a special gift,
I will spring for the expensive bases but otherwise I didn't think it was
worth it.

Theresa

ps - just make sure to check and recheck the wiring on any ones you get at
the flea market!

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To: Shakeel Abedi <shakeel@tm.net.my>
Subject: Re: Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:12:49 +0000
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In message <1998Mar3.33115.0@?>, Shakeel Abedi <shakeel@tm.net.my>
writes
>Dr Pishu R. Thadhani
>104, Jalan Mersing
>86000 Kluang
>Malaysia
>Tel: + 607-7722212, 7722755  Fax: +607-7733313
>E-Mail: shakeel@tm.net.my
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Could someone give a review of the two foilers.
>
>I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the .......
>
>Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you.
>
What I say is "don't waste your money".  Except for straight lines, hand
foiling is just a quick and acurate.  the only thing is your fingers may
get more sore (until the calluses form) than with a foiler.  You can
have my foiler free, if you want to pay the postal charges from Glasgow,
Scotland.   Nah.  It's not worth it!   :-)

Only my view, of course
S
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I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns.
Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a
psychiatric break.......

Maureen
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In a message dated 98-03-01 19:29:14 EST, you write:

> I for one do not want to see
>  epistles of text strewn to us all without an option not to get it.
>  And of course, repeated on and on and on and on and so forth!
>  I do trade stories, exaggerations, and whimsy now, but ONLY by request and
>  only to specific victims
>  
>  with trepidation, H
>  
See Howard let us all know a little more about himself just by this small post
in which he wants us to believe that he is a serious person.  But we all know
he has a heart AND a sense of humor.  And I haven't even been on bungi very
long but I can get the feel of his personality from his posts
deb
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I worry about using glass on the counter tops, we ALL have the habit of
putting hot pots and pans on the counter even though we shouldn't, the tile
can usually handle the heat but I'm not sure the glass could.  I guess that's
a question.  to be safe the idea of putting the glass on the splash board and
as trivets (but not for hot things) sounds like a good idea.
deb
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Hi everyone!

I have made several stepping stones in the past with great success.  Now I
made one (8" x 8") where the mortar mix, I suppose, was still too wet when
I took it out of the form.  Result: 3 glass pieces came off as well as a
chunk of the cement.

Is there a way to fix it or am I stuck with a broken stepping stone.  I was
thinking of mixing a little topping and try to reattach the glass to the
mortar, but that doesn't seem to be a long-lasting solution.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Daniela Birkelbach
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I like my Glasstar, if only because it does a nice job of pulling the
backing off of the foil and getting it out of the way, and it keeps
the roll from coming unrolled. I notice that I will use it for medium
sized pieces, inside curves and some rounded pieces, but for those
really odd shapes and small pieces, I just pull the foil off the
foiler and foil by hand.  I've dropped several pieces trying to get
them around the foiler, too.

Now about that little thing that comes with it that is supposed to
burnish the foil to the glass for you...I find it makes a perfect
paper weight for keeping patterns from moving around.  Other than
that, I can't find a use for it.  I tried using it as suggested, and
found that it did a really superb job of pulling the foil off.

<quote>
Could someone give a review of the two foilers.

I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the .......

Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you.


Don M. McDonald
Director, Web Services
Chesapeake Communications Corporation
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And, if Patrick has space to
store the bios, maybe it should
be his great honor to pick 'em
every week!  And maybe we could
count on the oldtimers like Len Z.(!),
Elisabeth, pj friend, Albert, etc. to
start the ball rolling.  And Lee Boe,
and Carol Swann has a great bio!
Gosh, I can think of a lot of folks
on bungi that are pretty darn
interesting!

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Dani Greer
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Len, you nut!  MY suggestion
is that all the old dawgs post
their bios first, and I imagine
that puts you about at the top
of the list! ;-)

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
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 > <<  What if we all sent our bios to one person who then posts one each=
 week?
>  That way no one has to scramble to write one on a particular week when=
 it
>  may or may not be a convenient thing to do and there would be a coordi=
nator
>  to keep things going smoothly.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  I like this one! And thanks Susie!
>  Laurean





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Folks,

I 'm having a hell of a problem with my PC and it looks like I'll have to
restore my hard drive  . I have no idea how much I'll be able to recover or
how long it will take to be back up to speed. So I am posting a bio which is
more or less resume'.-like some of  this is a copy of what I exchanged with
Don McDonald and its pretty rough but you'll get the idea. I'm doing it now
in case I lose it.

I grew up in Brooklyn NY.... my stepfather was a sadist. I ran away from
home alot and quit school when I was 16.  Joined the army at 17. Spent a
couple of great years in the German alps.I was stationed in Oberammergau and
I was a dental assistant with a light scheduale. The dentist I worked with
was a skier  and so was I. We ski bummed all over Europe.

Came home a budding counter-culture type.

Friend and I took off for S.F. on motorcycles in the *summer of love*

Got to Wisconsin and  we crashed into each other after riding all night. He
was all broken up and was in traction for 3 months..........I scraped my
knee. .....  I immediately fell in love with the Mississippi River Valley
met some people, found out that I could go to the local State College on the
GI bill  (already had my GED) and still have money left over. Nine bucks a
credit !!!.

Met my wife ( a local girl ) been married 29 years 2 sons 17 and 26 live in
a little  1400 sg ft ...100 years old house just a good 8 iron shot from the
river in a town of 900.   After I quit glass ( psoriac arthritis)  I tried
some different stuff and decided on a new business........ die cut ,shot
run, custom image products for the advertising specialties, educational and
souvenier markets......  Always wanted to run a factory ( why I'll never
know) and will soon be on line.


One summer while I was off from attending college, I applied at a local
church studio
that was looking for repair roadies. I got hired.  It was a great experience
for me since
I loved to travel and I did plenty of it.

It wasn't long before I was hooked. I left school and went to work there
full time. This was a very traditional studio and I did a full apprentiship.
Started out sweeping the floor and unloading glass crates, moved into the
mud room, worked up to production cutting and glazing. Then some glass
picking and a bit of cartooning. I also spent some time on job sites. After
a
few  years, a position opened up for a new window installer I took it and
spent the next five  years on the road hanging off very tall ladders and
walking around on scaffolding. I was the boss

When our second child was born I wanted to get off the road and go back into
the studio but it was not to be. I quit and opened up a studio with two
friends with plenty of glass experience... we were just starting to make a
go of it when the biz was
destroyed by fire ...we were not properly insured and never re-opened
I went back on the road.......... this time as an independent
troubleshooter, restorer and installer. I could control my schedule this way
and make more money.

A few years go by. I ran into this guy that loved glass and wanted to start
a glass factory to make sheet art glass and other glass stuff . We made
dalles and blown and cast pieces as well. I jumped on it. I invested as a
partner... we made some really neat glass for a few years. I won't bore you
with the details but we went elfoldo and I took a financial beating.

During this period I had begun to do a little window designing and became
fixated  with the creative process. I am self taught. I studied
everthing I could get my hands on about SG . Read tons of design and
color theory stuff. Studied the works of the masters. Read Albert's
magazines :-)  Made hundreds of
sketches.

So about 10 years ago I became an independant designer- fabricator  working
out of a home studio. I knew lots of folks in big church studios and they
referred clients to me on a regular bases to do commissions they were not
interested in. I had no sign, and  did no advertising. It was all word of
mouth
and referrels

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Hello all,

I am a newbie (as you will be able to tell from my stupid questions
below <G>) and I was wondering if anyone could advise me on making
cabinet doors. (just the panel to have a cabinet maker install it) I
taught myself using a book. I have a pattern but it did not come with
instructions it was in a pattern book with various items. Also another
question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a
triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run
right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape.

Lisa
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In message <1998Mar2.181310.0@?>, Mosfunland <Mosfunland@aol.com> writes
>I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns.
>Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a
>psychiatric break.......
>
Maureen

I try to number mine in the order I intend to build the panel, box, etc.
I often find that a better order comes to mind while I am leading-up
though.
s.

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Hi Maureen-

We number our pattern pieces
according to the glass that's =

being used.  For example,
pieces #1-18 might be blue
water glass for the border, pieces
19-42 glue chip for the background,
and so forth.  That way we're cutting
all the pieces of one kind of glass
before we move on to the next.  We
use a glass easel that allows us to
view the glass as we finish cutting
the pieces, arranged as per the =

pattern, and this allows us to choose
and adjust throughout the cutting
process.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
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jnl wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am a newbie (as you will be able to tell from my stupid questions
> below <G>) and I was wondering if anyone could advise me on making
> cabinet doors. (just the panel to have a cabinet maker install it) I
> taught myself using a book. I have a pattern but it did not come with
> instructions it was in a pattern book with various items. Also another
> question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a
> triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run
> right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape.
> 
> Lisa
> ----
>

i'm not sure about the cabinet doors.

the triangle notch: it depends how large, a bandsaw is the only real way
to go. the proper way is to make a relief cut at the point of the
triangle.

---Mike Savad

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Dani wrote,

>that lead good with a nice wad of
>horsehair!
>
And do you have a local supplier for the horsehair?
Could use there number as there a no horses in the neighborhood.

my best,
pj

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Well, it would seem that Patrick Kelly has hust been appointed (by 
default) as the Bungi Biographer!!!
In any case, I think he has got more room on his hard-drive than I 
have (in any case, I'm sure he is  far less of a computer-geek than I 
am).
So Mr. Kelly, over to YOU!
Where to begin?!
And don't take ANY nonsence from Mr. Len Alcamo (aka Len  Z.)
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Susie wrote:
We've had a few people volunteer to help with this project.  What if 
we all sent our bios to one person who then posts one each week?  
That way no one has to scramble to write one on a particular week 
when it may or may not be a convenient thing to do and there would be 
a coordinator to keep things going smoothly.  If that person was 
running low on bios to post, a simple word to the group should remind 
everyone and bring on plenty more.

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Dear Albert,

Now you know why a particular Model of the Rolls Royce, destined for 
marketing in Germany, didn't quite had the initial success as the 
company had hoped for. The Model Name was "Silver Mist".
And of course, to go AWOL in UK is called to "Take French Leave". The 
French, took their revenge and call it "To Take English Leave";
Ahh, it's endless (and endless fun!).
Elisabeth (in her "other" hat)


 
Albert wrote:

Your comment reminded me of an experience I had that parallels your 
question: A friend of mine and I were visiting some German friends in 
their home in Berlin (I lived there for three years in the early 
60s). The family parakeet was flying around the house. We were all 
just sitting around chatting. Suddenly, the bird let fly and the 
hostess looked alarmed. "He missed," I muttered in English, since the 
bird had been just above me at the time. The hostess' expression 
changed to one of shock and detestation. I didn't realize why until 
later, when my German vocabulary had expanded beyond what I'd learned 
in my high school classes: "missed" sounds like "mist" ... and "mist" 
is the German word for (no offense ) ka-ka. Very crude word, true, 
but I was totally innocent. Funny, they never invited us back, now 
that I think of it.

> Another thing I learned was that different trades use the same
> phrases to mean wildly different things

It may be interesting to know that the meaning and "social 
acceptability" of certain glass descriptions has changed. A hundred 
years ago "art glass" was a derogatory term, referring to the low-end 
windows and door lights available from Sears Roebuck and other 
outlets like lumber yards. Nowadays, it's the preferred phrase for 
high-end products.

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Things are getting very strange......I sent out the bio post and only part
of it made it.  Here is the rest of it FWIW. My computer is sick.  Partial
emails going out.... fonts locking up..... cdrom driver up and
dissapeared.....PaperPort files scrambled. I think I'm going down  :-((


>Anyway I  did a few major commissions locally....  attracted the attention
>of  some architects and such,  did a few more what I thought were
>significant pieces but I never quite made the
>big time. We thought briefly about about moving out to the west coast to
try
>and * make it* I never regreted not going  though.....we are very happy
with
>our lifestyle.... just a couple of small town folk. I don't even know where
>the key is to lock the house.  Its the kind of peace of mind you can't buy.
>
>So I just continued on with mostly residential stuff in high buck homes
>until I quit business in '97 . I loved every minute of it.
>
>Well thats more then enough.. I did not really bare my soul...  lucky for
>you all... that would take a bottle of  good Merlot in a smokey room late
at
>night.
>
>Len
>
>
>
>
>


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Bios are a great idea! I have been lurking, sort of, Since Dec. when I got
this new computer and new to the craft as well. Thanks for all the great
info fello Bunginians!! Susan









At 02:55 PM 1/7/80 -0600, pkelly wrote:
>I would like to volunteer my services to store the Bios. I have plenty
>of space on my hard drive and would willingly add another if needed.
>
>There should be rules set down from the start to protect the member.
>For Example:
>
>Information to be used only for the group
>Information not to be used in a commercial endeavor, unless approved by
>the               originator.
>etc, etc, etc.
>
>As the robot in "Short Circuit" film says " Input .... Input ....
>Input".
>
>
>Patrick
>Roses and Rainbows to all
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> Thank you for the information.  Do you have any idea what the cost might be?

It's $20. per work of art you're registering ... all the info's at 
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ40 a page on the Library of 
Congress' web site called "Copyright Registration for Works of the 
Visual Arts."

Albert

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Lisa,
First I'll address the triangular notch question. It sounds as if you
were going to place a square bevel into the corner of a rectangular
panel, (and even if you aren't let's use it as an example anyhow, k?)
It would need to go something like this:
_____   ____
     | |    |   Okay, the first major problem
     | |____|   that you're going to have will be
     -------    that bottom left inside corner. It
            |   WANTS to break into the larger glass
            |   to relieve the pressure in the glass
                at such a sharp cut, (hence Mr. Savad's
                unexplained term "relief cut".) An
example of a BETTER way to provide the relief withOUT the
stress threatening cracks would be to provide a cut like this:
_____   ____
   \ | |    | only more of a 45 degree angle than I can
    \| |____| show on the computer, if you get my drift?
     \------- This would provide you with two 45/45/90
      \     | triangles which would fit up against the
       \    | original larger glass to form the necessary
place for the square bevel. Personally, I prefer to do a same-width
border in a cabinet panel instead as this would butt up flat against the
sides of the square and allow me to use some special glass in smaller
quantities  which can enhance the pattern or the contents of the cabinet
if I'm using  clear textures for the pattern glass.
Now for the cabinet panel(s) question... What exactly do you need to
know? The first suggestion that I would make to you is that you make an
EXACT template which you KNOW (by double/triple-checking the fit) fits
into ALL the openings that you will have to make panels for. My second
recommendation would be for you to have a PERFECTLY square 2 or 3 sided
jig in which you will make your panel. Be sure to deduct from the
template size to the jig size for whatever type of edge you will be
using. If you use zinc came as your edge, you need to know the exact
width of the came from the inside (grooved part) to the outside face and
the depth at which the glass fits inside of it. You subtract the depth
of the groove from the face width, and then subtract THAT from the
template size to get your jig size. If you need more clarification on
this feel free to ask me, if I've muddled you up even worse that before
just hit the delete key and tell me to mind my own doggone cabinet
panels! <BG>
Ciao!
V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.


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> 
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if anyone could advise me on making
> cabinet doors. (just the panel to have a cabinet maker install it) I
> taught myself using a book. I have a pattern but it did not come with
> instructions it was in a pattern book with various items. Also another
> question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a
> triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run
> right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape.
> 
> Lisa
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I am fairly new to the craft.  However I really feel that my teacher (
master) is very versed in the craft.  One of the things he has taught me
is to beware of gadgets.  He says one can do a better job hand foiling
and save the money to buy more glass.  As of now I have done several
projects (hand foiled)).  With a good eye and a steady hand I bet you
can do just as good (if not better) than a hand foiler.

Don.......





Shakeel Abedi wrote:

> Dr Pishu R. Thadhani
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> 86000 Kluang
> Malaysia
> Tel: + 607-7722212, 7722755  Fax: +607-7733313
> E-Mail: shakeel@tm.net.my
>
> Hi,
>
> Could someone give a review of the two foilers.
>
> I have a Inland Foiler, honestly it is a pain in the .......
>
> Someone told me that Glastar foiler is far superior. What say you.
>
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Daniela,

I have no idea if this will work for you, but once I had a stone that
cracked in the middle (yikes!) while I was trying to get it out of the
mold...(too soon, I suspect)  and it worked for me.

Put your piece back in the mold....put the dislodged glass pieces back where
they belong first and don't forget the contact paper.

Now, mix some mortar mix really really thin.....kind of the consistency of
gravy.  Pour this on top until you have 1/4 inch or however much space you
have left in your mold......

If your missing chunck is big, you may need to fill that in with a little
bit of thicker mortar first.

Now leave it TWICE as long as you think you should!!!  In my case the soupy
mix worked it's way through....acted like glue on the crack and so far so
good.  The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine.

BTW, this made sense to me because if you've ever spilled a little bit of
mortar mix on you cement driveway, forgot about it for awhile...and then
tried to get it off.....it's close to impossible, so I know it has great
adhering properties!!!!
Hope this helps!

Hazel and The Glass Ladies

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> From:          "Shakeel Abedi" <shakeel@tm.net.my>
> To:            "Bungi" <glass@bungi.com>
> Subject:       Foiler - Edgemaster vs Glastar
> Date:          Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:31:15 +0800

> Dr Pishu R. Thadhani,
> 
> Could someone give a review of the two foilers.


I have used the Glastar for a couple of years and really like it.  It 
did take a while to get used to but now I can foil quite quickly 
and accurately with it  (much quicker than any of the others in a 
couple of classes I have taken).  Of course the purists on this list 
will tell you that none of them are necessary ;-}

Have not used the Edgemaster so can't comment on it.

Doug Scale
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Maureen,

Of course different types of designs call for different numbering
schemes, but one of my favorite numbering systems I'll cal l the radial
system.  I start my numbers at the "one o'clock" position and proceed
clockwise around the panel, spiraling in to the center.

For symetrical panels I often don't use numbers at all, just letters like
"TL" for top left, "TM" for top middle, etc.  If there are three four or
even five pieces that are all distinct enough from one another they can
all still be "TL"!

Also popular ........TML for top middle left , and on and on, as long as
you can understand it  yourself.

Gary Dodge


On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:13:10 EST Mosfunland <Mosfunland@aol.com> writes:
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>Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had 
>a
>psychiatric break.......
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: len alcamo <alcamoz@mwt.net>
To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 5:45 PM
Subject: Fw: My bio part 2


>
>
>Things are getting very strange......I sent out the bio post and only part
>of it made it.  Here is the rest of it FWIW. My computer is sick.  Partial
>emails going out.... fonts locking up..... cdrom driver up and
>dissapeared.....PaperPort files scrambled. I think I'm going down  :-((
>
>
>>Anyway I  did a few major commissions locally....  attracted the attention
>>of  some architects and such,  did a few more what I thought were
>>significant pieces but I never quite made the
>>big time. We thought briefly about about moving out to the west coast to
>try
>>and * make it* I never regreted not going  though.....we are very happy
>with
>>our lifestyle.... just a couple of small town folk. I don't even know
where
>>the key is to lock the house.  Its the kind of peace of mind you can't
buy.
>>
>>So I just continued on with mostly residential stuff in high buck homes
>>until I quit business in '97 . I loved every minute of it.
>>
>>Well thats more then enough.. I did not really bare my soul...  lucky for
>>you all... that would take a bottle of  good Merlot in a smokey room late
>at
>>night.
>>
>>Len
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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In a message dated 98-03-02 20:42:00 EST, gerling@mindspring.com writes:

<< .acted like glue on the crack and so far so
 good.  The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. >>

This sounds almost too good to be true.  I have had only one stone do this but
I picked the glass out and repoured, never thought about trying to "fix it".
Has your stone been exposed to extreme temperatures and all the weather
conditions? This is not asking in doubt of what you say, but more like
stunned.

Lu Ann
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Hi SGers,

I was overwhelmed by the amount of responses I have gotten to my
previous requests. This is my way to pay back. In the spirit of the
Internet, I am making this a FAQ. This is the first part. I'm very
open to suggestions and topics you want covered. I don't make any
guarantee on how long it will take me but I'll be finished one day. I
am planning to add photos in the future.

Please be gentle, remember that English is not my first language :)

dmg

P.S. I'll be available on the Web at:

http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/photo/glass/


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        o Copyright Notice
   o Basic equipment
        o What is the best camera to take photos of SG work?
        o My budget does not allow me to afford a SLR, what do I do?
        o I got my camera, what other equipment do I need?

Introduction


Copyright Notice

This FAQ is (C) Copyright 1998 Daniel M. Germ=E1n. This text, in whole
or in part, may not be sold in any medium, including, but not limited
to electronic, CD-ROM, or published in print, without the explicit,
written permission of Daniel M. Germ=E1n. This FAQ can be reproduced and
distributed electronically or in hardcopy as long as this is done for
free and it is kept intact.

If you have any comments about this document, please direct them to
dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca.

The hypertext version of this FAQ is available at:


          http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/photo/glass/

Basic equipment


What is the best camera to take photos of SG work?

The quick answer: a camera that allows you to manually set the exposure t=
ime
and the apperture.

Now the long answer. There are many different types of cameras, however, =
we
will restrict our discussion to two of them.


   o ``P&S'' (Point-and-shoot). These cameras, as their name implies, req=
uire
     little from the user to take a photograph: point, then shoot. Many
     different levels of complexity can be found in these cameras. Some o=
f
     them only have a shutter button, while other might have special mode=
s for
     portraits or scenery photography -to name a few. Some have zooms, so=
me
     don't.
   o ``SLR'' (Single Lens Reflex). Using a sophisticated system, these ca=
meras
     allow you to see ``through the lens''. What you see in the viewfinde=
r is
     what you camera is going to take. These cameras have dismountable le=
nses
     and vary in the amount of automatization they provide; some are true
     marvels of technology -autofocus system, eye controled features, to =
name
     a few- while others are totally manual -leaving all decisions to the
     photographer. Most modern SLRs include a manual mode that still allo=
ws
     its operator overall control over the camera.

In order to answer the question of which camera, you need to decide what
quality you're expecting from your photos. Almost any camera (P&S or SLR)=
 will
take decent photos. Nonetheless, some cameras will do it better than othe=
rs.

P&S operate on the premise that most photos people take are ``average''. =
A
shot of your family during a Christmas party or a photo of your last picn=
ic
are examples of those situations. A good P&S will only measure the amount=
 of
light that enters its lightmeter (cheap P&S don't even have one) and then
decide what is the correct exposure based on the film being used. Recent
advances in film technology make P&S very reliable.

Unfortunately, SG photos are not ``average''. Glass has to be lighted thr=
ough
in order to show its beauty. Most cameras get fooled when you take photos=
 of
SG. A typical result is darker than real photos. SLRs are also prone to t=
his
problem if used in an automatic mode. The lightmeter inside these cameras
works very similar to that of high-end P&S, and recomends a value for you=
r
photo considering your situation as average . In order to properly photog=
raph
the piece of glass you have in front, you will need to override this
recommended value.

As we have mentioned before, SLRs usually include a manual mode. They all=
ow
you to replace the lens so you use the best for your application. They le=
t you
see exactly what the negative is going to record. These features make the=
m the
best option to photograph SG work.


My budget does not allow me to afford a SLR, what do I do?

Many SLRs (entry level, second hand) are not too expensive, and, in many
cases, are cheaper that some P&S.

You have to consider how important, for you, your photos are. For many, p=
hotos
are a portafolio, ready to be shown to potential clients. Bad photos will
deteriorate the perception that your costumer might have of your work.

You probably have browsed pattern catalogs. Which ones do you normally fi=
nd
more appealing? It is very likely that those ones with the best photos.

If you still think you have to stick to a P&S you can still improve the
quality of your photos. Try using a tripod, setting up proper lightning (=
see
section ...) and pay attention to your framing (see section ...);
along with a good camera, these are  the three factors that contribute
the most to the quality of a  good photograph.


I got my camera, what other equipment do I need?

The list can be endless, and depends on how much you want to expend.


   o Tripod. Without a question, it is the piece of equipment that will
     improve your photos the most, the fastest, at the cheapest. A good t=
ripod
     should be heavy and sturdy. Try to avoid those cheap, plastic ones a=
s
     they tend to flex. A good tripod will serve you forever. My personal
     choice is the Manfrotto 055C (Bogen 3021) with a ball head.
   o Remote release. Most SLRs have an input for a remote cable-release -=
some
     have a wireless one. This allows you to fire the camera without touc=
hing
     it -hence avoiding shake. They are usually inexpensive. Some cameras=
 have
     a timer option. If so, can use it instead of the remote release.
   o Lens. Almost any lens will do. We will explore the effects of lens c=
hoice
     in your photos later.
   o Filters. Film does not record the light the way we see it. Film is
     calibrated for a particular type of light. For instance, the typical=
 firm
     you buy for your camera at the drugstore is designed to be user unde=
r
     sunlight or flash light. If you use it under artificial light you wi=
ll
     get a strong colour cast: yellow if the ligth is tungsten, green if =
the
     light is fluorescent. Filters will allow you to compensate this colo=
r
     shift. They are usually inexpensive.
   o Flashes and strobes. Almost always, a direct flash from the camera w=
ill
     prove useless. You need a flash that you can set away from the camer=
a,
     and, in many cases you'll need at least two. Studio lights can creat=
e
     dramatic effects. All these pieces of equipment will usually be
     expensive. Don't worry, you can have good results with Sun light.
   o Incident light meter. Althoght not indispensable, a good incident li=
ght
     meter can give you quick and precise readings of how much light is
     illuminating your subject. If you're shooting an object which is not
     transilluminated, this tool will provide you with a good exposure mo=
st of
     the times. Expensive.
   o Grey card. If you can't afford a light meter, a grey card is a most.=
 It
     is, as its name implies, a piece of grey cardboard that you use to
     estimate the incident light. Inexpensive. Its use will be described
     later. (see section ...).
   o Diffusing material. Many panels are not totally opaque and transfer =
the
     shapes and colours of the objects behind. A sheet of difussing mater=
ial
     (drafting paper, white plexiglass, opaque white glass, for example) =
will
     provide a soft, uniform background for your photos.

You will need some other tools depending on exactly what you're shooting.=
 The
minimun you need is the camera and a lens, everything is sort of optional=
 but
will certainly improve the quality of your photos.




--=20
Daniel M. Germ=E1n                "My friends would think I was a nut,=20
       Peter Gabriel -->         turning water into wine"
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I know it's crazy, but I swear I can't tell by looking which stone it was!
I can't vouch for weather extremes, though....I live in Atlanta, Georgia and
it's really not a fair test!!  We have had freezing weather this year and we
all know how hot it gets...but having grown up in Ohio I know it's still not
like extremes of weather other folks get!  It has been outside for about 7
or 8 months.  

I agree it sounds too good to be true and it may have been a weird fluke,
but I'd still try it again before I started over!

Hazel

At 09:01 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-02 20:42:00 EST, gerling@mindspring.com writes:
>
><< .acted like glue on the crack and so far so
> good.  The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. >>
>
>This sounds almost too good to be true.  I have had only one stone do this but
>I picked the glass out and repoured, never thought about trying to "fix it".
>Has your stone been exposed to extreme temperatures and all the weather
>conditions? This is not asking in doubt of what you say, but more like
>stunned.
>
>Lu Ann
>

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In a message dated 98-03-02 16:48:30 EST, you write:

<< What I say is "don't waste your money".  Except for straight lines, hand
 foiling is just a quick and acurate.  the only thing is your fingers may
 get more sore (until the calluses form) than with a foiler.  You can
 have my foiler free, if you want to pay the postal charges from Glasgow,
 Scotland.   Nah.  It's not worth it!   :-)
  >>

I have to agree...I hhave both and they are stored in a carton gathering dust!
The foil comes out crincked and its just not worth the effort. Besides this,
they take up valueable workspace. I have found hand foiling to be more
"portable" and more accurate.  ~Alison~
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A easy way for symmetrical patterns................

Letter, number, color or whatever code you like.

Cut half the pattern out, use it for the half it matches

TURN the pattern over and cut the glass again from it. If it is TRULY
symmetrical it should match up!

Works for right and left hand lamp patterns.

enjoy, H

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Daniel M. German wrote:

> In the spirit of the
> Internet, I am making this a FAQ.

Our fellow SGer Daniel,

I am nearly overwhelmed by your kind generosity.  Many have
forgotten the spirit of the Internet;  use what is needed,
and leave something useful behind.

I, too, have an interest in photography but little
knowledge.  Your words are a wonderful gift and I feel
certain will inspire me to try, try, try again to
successfully photograph stained glass.  I can hardly wait
for the next installment.  Thank you!

Gee, I may have to set up the darkroom again!
Shirley
Grapeland, Tx.
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Why, Elizabeth, I didn't know you had one. Address please?
Susan
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If you took the stone out when it was still wet and repaired it when it
was still wet, then the concrete will bond together.  You were lucky
that your drying times were still compatible.
The longer a concrete cures, the stronger it is.
There is a bonding agent for concrete that is cured.  But I have only
heard about never exerienced it myself.
There is a concrete forum
http://www.hardscapes.com/board/wwwboard.html
It is a great place to ask any question.  They are as forth coming and
helpful and knowleable as the Bungi group.



Rex Gerlinger wrote:
> 
> I know it's crazy, but I swear I can't tell by looking which stone it was!
> I can't vouch for weather extremes, though....I live in Atlanta, Georgia and
> it's really not a fair test!!  We have had freezing weather this year and we
> all know how hot it gets...but having grown up in Ohio I know it's still not
> like extremes of weather other folks get!  It has been outside for about 7
> or 8 months.
> 
> I agree it sounds too good to be true and it may have been a weird fluke,
> but I'd still try it again before I started over!
> 
> Hazel
> 
> At 09:01 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 98-03-02 20:42:00 EST, gerling@mindspring.com writes:
> >
> ><< .acted like glue on the crack and so far so
> > good.  The stone has been outside ever since and is just fine. >>
> >
> >This sounds almost too good to be true.  I have had only one stone do this but
> >I picked the glass out and repoured, never thought about trying to "fix it".
> >Has your stone been exposed to extreme temperatures and all the weather
> >conditions? This is not asking in doubt of what you say, but more like
> >stunned.
> >
> >Lu Ann
> >
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Sorry in I caused any incovienence with the wrong date.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.. I seem to be having a
problem since
my son "fixed it Dad". Thanks.

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows

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I am ready for the onslaught of bios of the best people in the world
(and a few stinkers).

You can send them to me at "pkelly@n-link.com". What I can do is get
some kind of format for the header. For example:

Name
email
Location
Professional/Hobbyest
Major field of interest (slumping, lamps, etc.)
SG Associations member
Other interests
Number of fingers remaining on right hand after 500 piece project
Size of Mother-In-Laws shoes
Favorite Obsence Gesture (optional)

And then post the remaining bios as written by the author. Permission to
post will be assumed when sending bios.

I can list the names of the people with bios and post them as I receive
them or any other way we like.

Any suggestions as to, day to post, something I left out? Heeeeelp

Input .... Input .... Input

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows

PS I thought I had learned my lesson about volunteering in 1964 when I
joined the US Army. Oh well, I guess I'm just a hard-headed Irishman
(isn't that correct Toby)

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> 
> I have to agree...I hhave both and they are stored in a carton gathering dust!
> The foil comes out crincked and its just not worth the effort. Besides this,
> they take up valueable workspace. I have found hand foiling to be more
> "portable" and more accurate.  ~Alison~

I would have the same feelings about this as Alison from my attempts
with the foilers, but four other people in my shop use them a lot, do a
good job with them and are much faster with them than hand foiling. It
may take some coordination I don't have. Anyway I will continue to not
use them, but from watching others use the foilers and getting faster
and faster with them I can not say anything bad about them either.
Especially as I pay these people by the hour. 
To get back to the origional question they do prefer the inland
edgemaster and the glastar comes in second.
	Mike Barr
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Thanks for everyones input.  We all have pretty similar ways of numbering our
patterns it seems...(until my other personality does the numbering....lol).  I
have never tried one of the mega-piece lamps, only panels.  Maybe I'll get one
of the docs to write me a prescription for xanax and place the number for
psyhic healing on speed-dial before I ever attempt one of them.....I was very
intimidated by the patterns for them.  

A while ago someone recommended using x-ray (exposed and blank...lol) films
for patterns.  I have been doing this and love them, thanks for the great
idea.  A respiratory therapist I work with opened up a snap together soft
clear plastic oxygen hood for a small infant, since we didn't need it and it
would have been trashed I brought it home and stuck my grinder inside of it.
It even has a flap to keep it closed....keeps the work area free from
"flotsam".  I have recycled little formula plastic bottles that come in their
own little rack system....I tilt it on its side...put a little flux in one
bottle and store the brush in the other...never spills and I can recap it when
I am finished.  People give me some strange looks when I start saying Ooooo I
can use this.....   I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and
would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't figured out
how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess.

Thanks again
Maureen
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Hmmm...looks like we're going in reverse alphabetical order (Z to A),
starting with Len Zyz...!


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Dear UK Bunginians,

List was supposed to reach you around Christmas....   :-(
Addressing envelopes RIGHT NOW!!
Have 8 people on my UK mailing list:
David Outram, Elizabeth Law, Mike Simpson, Steve Richard, Jerry 
Cullingford, Jill Blackall, Tony & Barbara Regen.

ARE THERE ANY MORE UK BUNGINIANS OUT THERE, that I might have 
missed??????

In my covering letter I have also listed your names & addresses (but 
not phone numbers) for UK sharing only.
Please let me know if you have any objections to me doing this.
You have all given me phone numbers too. Include or exclude??
Let me know (off-group).
Elisabeth 'n Toby in Hertfordshire, UK
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So Glenna,

Does this mean that hitting reply all will send to everyone on bungi
directly without the system remailing it and adding a second tag line to
it?

Gary

>dodgestudio@juno.com writes:]
>> >> What I do is hit the reply all button,
>
>> 
>> I may be wrong here, but my understanding of the "reply all" button 
>is to
>> automatically forward your reply to all addresses that you have put 
>into
>> an address book.   If glass@bungi.com isn't in your book, the group 
>will
>> not get the response.  And likewise if your aunt Sophie IS in the 
>book,
>> she will get the message, whether she cares about glass or not..
>> 
>> Am I wrong?
>
>The reply all button send to all recipients of the original message.
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Help!!! I'm rather new at this and I'm still confused. If I send "back" as
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Check out issue #38 of the Stained Glass News. The Readers' Gallery
shows a picture of what you may be talking about, or at least another
idea for you. 
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At 17:19 03/03/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear UK Bunginians,

>In my covering letter I have also listed your names & addresses (but 
>not phone numbers) for UK sharing only.
>Please let me know if you have any objections to me doing this.
>You have all given me phone numbers too. Include or exclude??
>Let me know (off-group).
Hi, EliSabeth, no reason I can see not to include phone numbers as well.
The more info the better.

Elizabeth & Sam Law
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Maureen,
How about having a photo resist made of those tiny tiny foot prints 
and sandblasting the design into clear or flashed glass. Make a small 
hanging panel. There was a time when I would have begged to buy such 
a work made from my childs foot. My mother and mother-in-law would 
have needed one too.  Couldn't afford it now what the increase in 
size. Bob

> I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and
>would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't 
figured out
>how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess.

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Hi all,

I'm working on a project and the designer has asked me if I can come up with
a patina to turn new copper verdigris colour(fume hood in grill area of
restaurant).

My questions are two fold:

1) can the commercial verdigris patinas be used (maybe just the second
bottle since the surface is already copper)

2) Name and source for commercial verdigris patinas please?

Thanks in advance

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative

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In a message dated 98-03-02 16:46:11 EST, you write:

> I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns.
>  Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a
>  psychiatric break.......
>  
 Maureen,
If I have a circular piece I usually start in the middle and go clockwise out
toward the perimiter,  I do also use letters.  Lets say I was doing a sun with
rays,  the center in one color I will label 1A 2A 3A etc, then I will move on
to the next color, and start where I ended off (maybe I should start overwith
1) lets say now its 15B 16B etc.  This way you don't have to select your glass
yet, or you may want to make it a second time with different glass all
together.  I then, when I have cut out the pattern (and I still have one
intact with the numbers) I put them in folders in ABC order one for each
letter.   As with the sun and rays you are alternating colors so you will # in
order of color Not placement.  Hope this helps
deb
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Howdy gang...

  I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
the finished project. 
 Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?


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I too imediately thought of a panel.  But having worked in a hospital
nursery myself, my thoughts were delusions of grandeur.  I envisions you
making a panel for the hospital nursery(paid for by the hospital),
either hanging or framed beside the viewing window, or a panel in the
back of the room.  A panel of all the little footprints from premi to 14
pounders.  A collage of footprints.  I couldn't envision the color
scheme.  I love the ectched glass idea.  Then color wouldn't be a
problem, literally or symbolically.  How enterprizing to think of doing
it as baby gifts.  Maybe you can sell them in the hospital gift shop?  I
should think the ladies(I know chauvenistic, there might be men)would
love telling their customers that(a nurse?) employee of the hospital
"does these!"  How about ectching them on oval bevels and sell them with
wooden base stand, that allows them to hang free?
Almost makes me want to have kids again.  Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1




BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote:
> 
> Maureen,
> How about having a photo resist made of those tiny tiny foot prints
> and sandblasting the design into clear or flashed glass. Make a small
> hanging panel. There was a time when I would have begged to buy such
> a work made from my childs foot. My mother and mother-in-law would
> have needed one too.  Couldn't afford it now what the increase in
> size. Bob
> 
> > I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and
> >would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't
> figured out
> >how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess.
>
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My pattern numbering system combines colors and positions.  If I'm 
doing a geometric design I will number the pieces in a roughly  
clockwise direction using letters to identify the glass or color.  
A1, A2, A3, etc. for one color; then B1, B2, etc.for the next color.  
Each time I make this pattern, I make a list to indicate A=red, 
B=yellow, etc.

If the pattern is, for example, a water scene with goldfish and 
lilypads, I number the "water" pieces W1, W2, W3 (or B1, B2 for 
"blue"); the lilypads L1, L2, (or G1, G2 for "green).

Works for me---

Kaye
   
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Howdy gang...

  I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
the finished project. 
 Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?

Hi Wayne,
I use 2 programs; desk scan and photo styler with my scanner, both can
enlarge. But I also use Corel Draw 4 alot. My computer buddy at the store
helped me out in deciding what I should get for the work that I do. But I
did know I wanted Corel draw for drawing and have been using it for 6 years
now. I hear alot of talk about the Glass eye.. dragon soft ware. But then
again I also line up to a plotter now and again for vinyl cuts for
sandblasting. Corel draw works for me.
BC person also, Cindy 

Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address
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Courtenay, B.C. Canada   V9N-3V5

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Hi guys,
What a great idea, photo resist baby foot on a beer mug for my son (24 year
old) and here I wondered what do for Christmas???
Good idea for the hospital too, I might just try that. And a trophy shop
might be an outlet.
Got to go and find my kid's foot, chuckle.
Cindy






I too imediately thought of a panel.  But having worked in a hospital
nursery myself, my thoughts were delusions of grandeur.  I envisions you
making a panel for the hospital nursery(paid for by the hospital),
either hanging or framed beside the viewing window, or a panel in the
back of the room.  A panel of all the little footprints from premi to 14
pounders.  A collage of footprints.  I couldn't envision the color
scheme.  I love the ectched glass idea.  Then color wouldn't be a
problem, literally or symbolically.  How enterprizing to think of doing
it as baby gifts.  Maybe you can sell them in the hospital gift shop?  I
should think the ladies(I know chauvenistic, there might be men)would
love telling their customers that(a nurse?) employee of the hospital
"does these!"  How about ectching them on oval bevels and sell them with
wooden base stand, that allows them to hang free?
Almost makes me want to have kids again.  Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1




BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote:
> 
> Maureen,
> How about having a photo resist made of those tiny tiny foot prints
> and sandblasting the design into clear or flashed glass. Make a small
> hanging panel. There was a time when I would have begged to buy such
> a work made from my childs foot. My mother and mother-in-law would
> have needed one too.  Couldn't afford it now what the increase in
> size. Bob
> 
> > I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and
> >would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't
> figured out
> >how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess.
>
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In a message dated 98-03-02 16:46:11 EST, you write:

> I always wondered how everyone decides how to number their patterns.
>  Sometimes mine have rhyme and reason and sometimes I seem to have had a
>  psychiatric break.......
>  
 Maureen,
If I have a circular piece I usually start in the middle and go clockwise out
toward the perimiter,  I do also use letters.  Lets say I was doing a sun with
rays,  the center in one color I will label 1A 2A 3A etc, then I will move on
to the next color, and start where I ended off (maybe I should start overwith
1) lets say now its 15B 16B etc.  This way you don't have to select your glass
yet, or you may want to make it a second time with different glass all
together.  I then, when I have cut out the pattern (and I still have one
intact with the numbers) I put them in folders in ABC order one for each
letter.   As with the sun and rays you are alternating colors so you will # in
order of color Not placement.  Hope this helps
deb
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 Hi Maureen, 
Psychiatric break... That sounds familar. I usually start out on the
straight and narrow path of correctness. Then decide I've lost my way home!!
Lord, help me if I forget to number a piece and find it later!! It now
becomes a letter, usually "A". Insanity of numbering, but it all comes
together in the end.
Cindy

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Carol Swann wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm working on a project and the designer has asked me if I can come up with
> a patina to turn new copper verdigris colour(fume hood in grill area of
> restaurant).
> 
> My questions are two fold:
> 
> 1) can the commercial verdigris patinas be used (maybe just the second
> bottle since the surface is already copper)
> 
> 2) Name and source for commercial verdigris patinas please?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Carol Swann
> Synergy Glass & Creative
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JAX is the patina the comes to mind, but it only comes in green. in
craft stores they sell a metal "weatering" kit. it has copper paint and
patina. but it comes in many colors, blue, brown, green, etc. i never
tried to see how well it works, because it's kind of expensive, and only
works on copper.

---Mike Savad

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A while back when we were discussing things used as alternatives to 
"standard equipment", I posted about using cuticle sticks (sometime called 
orange sticks) for a fid. They are now manufactured in plastic. Flat 
beveled on both ends. Made by Sally Hansen, LaCross, 3 for $1.69, available 
at any drug, health & beauty aids dept. Instructions on back say they can 
be steralized in alcohol, so they should hold up around most chemicals they 
would come in contact with if you are using them to iron down your foil.
Just an update...
Sue Reitmann
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I am looking for a pattern of a wood duck that could be incorporated into a hanging lamp. Any suggestions? I am not good at design!
Customer is talking about the diamature across the bottom opening to be aprx. 15-16 1/2"
Thanks in advance
Sue Reitmann
(who is slowly recovering from unexpected carodid artery surgery)and hates the idea of ageing!
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At 11:58 AM 3/3/98 -0800, Wayne wrote:
>Howdy gang...
>
>  I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
>I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
>have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
>print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
>the finished project. 
> Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?
>
>
>Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address


Hi Wayne,

The answer is yes.  I have one called 'Glass Magic 3.0' (there may be a
newer version now) by Micro Glass Software.  Very simple, very inexpensive.
 I think it cost $29.95, but don't hold me to that.  It's for lamps, boxes
and panels.  It will only enlarge up to 2' X 2' though.  It requires 386 or
higher, 4MB of Ram, 5 MB of free harddrive and 3.1 or Win95.

Boxes and lamps are kept in proportion when enlarging.  It is quite
versitle in creating boxes and lamps as you can change shapes, sizes,
number of panels, pitch etc. with a click of the mouse.  It also does
letters in different fonts.  And prints out the pattern in numbered panels
for you.

There are a couple others but not in that price range, none that I know of
anyway.

Dava
glassurgeon@clis.com


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Sue;

There is a nice pattern in Birds of North America, Vol 2.  Don't go by their color choices,  they don't coincide with the real thing.

Dave & Lynn

Sue Reitmann wrote:

> I am looking for a pattern of a wood duck that could be incorporated into a hanging lamp. Any suggestions? I am not good at design!
> Customer is talking about the diamature across the bottom opening to be aprx. 15-16 1/2"
> Thanks in advance
> Sue Reitmann
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Try the Jax brand green patina. It should work directly on the copper. Most
stained glass wholesalers carry it, most retailers could get it for you. It
comes in a pretty large bottle, you'd probably only need one.

Sarah

>Hi all,
>
>I'm working on a project and the designer has asked me if I can come up with
>a patina to turn new copper verdigris colour(fume hood in grill area of
>restaurant).
>
>My questions are two fold:
>
>1) can the commercial verdigris patinas be used (maybe just the second
>bottle since the surface is already copper)
>
>2) Name and source for commercial verdigris patinas please?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Carol Swann
>Synergy Glass & Creative
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Hi Wayne,

If all you want to do is import, resize and print, almost any paint/draw
program on the market will do it. Claris works, microsoft paint, and many
other basic programs will perform these functions just fine.

Sarah


>Howdy gang...
>
>  I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
>I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
>have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
>print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
>the finished project.
> Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?
>
>
>Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address
>2960 Suffield Road,
>Courtenay, B.C. Canada   V9N-3V5
>
>Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507
> "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete"
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> can use this.....   I have seen some of the tiniest footprints imaginable and
> would often like to incorporated them into a panel, but haven't figured out
> how to do that yet...someday the lightbulb will go on I guess.

For Christmas gifts a woman I work with made little suncatcher angels
with her baby's face as the angel face. She used xeroxed photos cut to
shape and sandwiched between two layers of glass that are half the
normal thickness. The local shop had the glass. If Warner doesn't have
it, I'll send you the name of the shop where she got it...if there
sounds like there is a story, you're correct...but my guess is that
Warner has it.

Anyway, the point is that you could sandwich the footprints. It could be
the most strange and wonderful thing ever and perfect for the x-ray
department...or the baby ward!!

Hilary
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> question...I have a piece of glass to cut that I need to take a
> triangular shaped notch out of. How do I do it without creating a run
> right across the glass? I have grinder but it cuts a half circle shape.

Use your 1/4" bit to grind into the corner as far as possible. Foil up
to the  notch area like normal, but when you come to the tip of the
triangle, trim your foil into the point and overlay it on the glass as
necessary. The tip will read like a point, but the bottom of the point
will be rounded. Still, the compromise is worth it. Cutting an angle up
into the glass is an invitation to cracking. Even the above is on the
dangerous side.

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I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but =
last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got =
to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the =
glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w =
Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go =
about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different =
was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and =
says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. =
Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and =
trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no =
idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit.

Linda Campbell
Hobby Crafter
Suffolk, VA
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> we set up a monthly or weekly bio
> posting?  Someone like Albert, who
> has been with bungi forever

Have I been volunteered? <s>

Albert

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This sounds very much like the problem that I was having.
And still having with new flux, new solder and a new iron. My new flux is
Glasstar ! A gel type. 
	Is your iron hot enough?  I am going to check to see if the outlet I am
using is working right!


I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but =
last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got =
to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the =
glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w =
Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go =
about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different =
was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and =
says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. =
Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and =
trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no =
idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit.

Linda Campbell

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Can you please add me to your bungi list?

tszarawara@premusa.com

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OK all fellow bungians who have asked to
view some of my works.  Here are four, thanks
to Albert Lewis, IGGA, and the kind folks at
StainedGlassBiz.

My web site can be found at
http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/1433cw.htm

or you can go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/
and click on "Artists", then on "Light Show" and follow
the lightshow through until my work shows up.  The
first web list is the short cut directly to my pages.

Isn't technology great?
Christie A. Wood
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Wayne,

Sounds like your talking about Glass Magic 3.0 from Micro Glass.  It
sells for about $40 (US).  It's really a pretty limited program, but
will certainly do what you're asking for.  I think they have a website
now, but not sure.  You can contact them at microglass@AOL.COM.

Mike Peck

Wayne Munro wrote:
> 
> Howdy gang...
> 
>   I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
> I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
> have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
> print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
> the finished project.
>  Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?
> 
> Wayne Munro 'Snail mail' address
> 2960 Suffield Road,
> Courtenay, B.C. Canada   V9N-3V5
> 
> Phone and Fax-- (250) 338-5507
>  "Call before sending a fax so setup is complete"
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Linda:

The flux is very important when soldering.I do lots of foiling and also
I have been in electronics for over 30 years.(a big difference in soldering
in electronics compared to stain glass work)however use
the best flux you can find,next use the best solder you can find.For
foiling I find that 37-63 ,canfield works best for me.Rember you can
allways resolder,but if you giveup your a goner. best of luck.
bobg of bobglass
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>I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but =
>last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got =
>to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the =
>glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w =
>Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go =
>about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different =
>was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and =
>says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. =
>Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and =
>trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no =
>idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit.
>
>Linda Campbell
>Hobby Crafter
>Suffolk, VA
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Linda Campbell wrote:
> 
> I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but =
> last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got =
> to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the =
> glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w =
> Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go =
> about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different =
> was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and =
> says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. =
> Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and =
> trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no =
> idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit.
> 
> Linda Campbell
> Hobby Crafter
> Suffolk, VA
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here's the possibilities i see:

1. the flux just does'nt work well, try some other flux, before
concerning yourself with numbers 2 and 4.

2. the iron may be dieing, the heater element itself may not have much
life in it, anymore.

3. the reostat may be bad, you may be on 800 but it may be acting like
500. try directly plugging it into the wall, and see if that helps the
problem.

4. the line it's attached to, may have a large load on it. like a
dishwasher running, a pool pump, etc. or there may not be as much
electricity running through the outlet. like once we had a bunch of real
hot days, everyone was running the AC. the electric company lowered the
voltage some to prevent blowouts. you really could'nt tell by looking,
but you could hear the microwave running kind of badly. 

---Mike Savad

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Received the below from ..... well, he asked not to be identified,
so......

Enjoy!

> ...
> 
> Thought all of you might appreciate a little clean listserv humor;
> a repost from another listserv..
> _________________________________________________________________
> 
> Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
> A: 1,331:
> 
> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light
> bulb has been changed.
> 
> 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
> how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
> 
> 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
> 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing
> light bulbs.
> 
> 53 to flame the spell checkers
> 
> 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light
> bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list.
> 
> 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
> 
> 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please
> take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
> 
> 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and
> alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
> 
> 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use
> light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list.
> 
> 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior,
> where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best
> for this technique, and what brands are faulty.
> 
> 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light
> bulbs
> 
> 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post
> corrected URLs.
> 
> 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that
> are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this
> list.
> 
> 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including
> all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."
> 
> 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they
> cannot handle the light bulb controversy.
> 
> 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three."
> 
> 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ.
> 
> 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
> 
> 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for,
> leave it here.
> 
> 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
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When I want to reply to a post and hit Reply all, I used to get the =
sender and bungi in the "to" box. Now it's different every time. =
Sometimes it doesn't even put bungi up there. Sometimes the post is from =
someone else but it lists me as the sender and omits the "RE:" even tho =
it is a reply form someone. Why is this?

In reply to my Mashed potato flux problem, I have gotten replys from the =
following:

=09
1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and =
myself)


2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the =
"RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself)

3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, =
bungi and myself)


Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this =
problem before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period.

Help!

Linda Campbell
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P.S. 
	
1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and myself)
THIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME.


2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the "RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself)
THIS ONE WAS SENT TO BUNGI


3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, bungi and myself)tHIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME.


MOST CURIOUS.  MMMMMM?


Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this problem before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period.

Help!

Linda Campbell
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You'd probably only find out about it if you wore high heels, one 
heel were broken off when it became stuck in a crack in a sidewalk, 
for example, you twisted your ankle, broke your leg, lost 3 months of 
work, and sued the City.  They only have it on the books to protect 
themselves from the fact that they don't/can't take care of the 
City's infrastructure quickly enough to avoid problems like that. 

Similarly, they will only pay for damage caused to your car hitting a 
pothole if you've registered a written complaint on an official form 
about that particular pothole *before you hit it.


> Albert I lived in NY for many years, not in the city though, but I don't
> remember that law is it new?  I do know that Jay walking IS enforced, even in
> very smalll towns.
> deb
> 
> > This is probably why it's illegal to wear high heels in New York 
> >  City. Of course, women still wear them, but if they snag a heel and 
> >  twist an ankle (or worse), they can't sue the City, 'cause they were 
> >  in violation.
> 
> 
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I would have to wonder about the heat of the iron also. But before you try
to check out the outlet, it could be a bad tip and maybe the rheostat isn't
working ie; temperature thermostat is bad. Electrical outlets either work or
they don't work. (they don't run at half mast). Try changing the tip first.





This sounds very much like the problem that I was having.
And still having with new flux, new solder and a new iron. My new flux is
Glasstar ! A gel type. 
	Is your iron hot enough?  I am going to check to see if the outlet I am
using is working right!


I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy but =
last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it got =
to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the =
glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w =
Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually go =
about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing different =
was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and =
says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. =
Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight and =
trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no =
idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit.

Linda Campbell

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From:                 Self <Single-user mode>
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Date sent:        Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:45:02

Time to visit the online Architectural Art Glass Light Show again ... 
we just added 45 more works in glass from around the world  this 
morning.

Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the
upper lefthand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on
that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start" ... simple!)

Enjoy!

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>   I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
> I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
> have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
> print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
> the finished project. 
>  Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?

An earlier version of CorelDraw (version 6, for example) will do 
this. Actually, I'd use CD6 and another program -- PaintShop Pro.

I'd use PSP to acquire the scan, then resize it with PSP, import the 
re-sized scan into CD6 and print as tiles.  Oddly enough, although 
it's not something I do often, I had a call to do this early this 
morning, so I know that'll work.

PSP is shareware and you can find it at http://www.download.com/ I'd 
think. CD6 is available from many discount mail order software 
outfits, although if you poke around, you might find it online. It 
should cost less than $100. Maybe a *lot less.



Albert

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>   I am looking for a program that will work hand in hand with my scanner so
> I can scan in small (say 6 inch. X 10 inch.) and enlarge in the computor and
> have it print out a finished enlargement pattern (say 2 feet X 4 feet) and
> print it in sections on the 8.5 X 11 paper so I can then tape together for
> the finished project. 
>  Is there such a 'beast' reasonably priced?

An earlier version of CorelDraw (version 6, for example) will do 
this. Actually, I'd use CD6 and another program -- PaintShop Pro.

I'd use PSP to acquire the scan, then resize it with PSP, import the 
re-sized scan into CD6 and print as tiles.  Oddly enough, although 
it's not something I do often, I had a call to do this early this 
morning, so I know that'll work.

PSP is shareware and you can find it at http://www.download.com/ I'd 
think. CD6 is available from many discount mail order software 
outfits, although if you poke around, you might find it online. It 
should cost less than $100. Maybe a *lot less.



Albert

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You missed one, What if the bulb does not want to change.

PS, we did this one before!

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So true!!!!

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> >
> > 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including
> > all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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cindy, your's is the one that came as if I had sent it to myself. I do =
not think the problem is at your end. Your address was not on the =
message at all. It was as if it had come from me but it would not have =
gotten to me if you had not address it to bungi, which you had.

I think the problem is with bungi as alot of my messages form bungi list =
me as the sender when in fact, I am not. This si something that needs to =
be cleared up.

Don't dispair. As the retired Navy guys say around here..."It's PFM" =
(Pure <fill in the blank> Magic. Beyond me.

Linda Campbell

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>Hi Linda, one of those messages was from me. I guess I don't know how =
to
send a reply...can you help? I redirected the address glass@bungi.com
What happened??
>
>P.S.=20
>=09
>1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter =
and
myself)
>THIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME.
>
>
>2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the
"RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself)
>THIS ONE WAS SENT TO BUNGI
>
>
>3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, =
bungi
and myself)tHIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME.
>
>
>MOST CURIOUS.  MMMMMM?
>
>
>Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this =
problem
before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period.
>
>Help!
>
>Linda Campbell
>suffolk, va
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Hi Linda-

Are you using zinc came on the
panel or have you recently soldered
something with zinc?  Remember
the recent post about zinc raising
the eutectic (melting) point of the
solder - consequently, your iron =

might not be hot enough right now.
Just heat your iron, clean with a wire
brush, and wet sponge.  That would
get rid of the zinc residue.  Assuming
of course that you've used zinc.  If
not, go with the flux theory!

Best regards,

Dani Greer (who know all about glass gremlins!)
Greer Gallery & Studios
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I am interested in locating and participating in your chat room.  I
design and sell stained glass stepping stones and other garden "art".
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Hi Linda,
Thanks.
Cindy 



cindy, your's is the one that came as if I had sent it to myself. I do not
think the problem is at your end. Your address was not on the message at
all. It was as if it had come from me but it would not have gotten to me if
you had not address it to bungi, which you had.

I think the problem is with bungi as alot of my messages form bungi list me
as the sender when in fact, I am not. This si something that needs to be
cleared up.

Don't dispair. As the retired Navy guys say around here..."It's PFM" (Pure
<fill in the blank> Magic. Beyond me.

Linda Campbell



> 
>	
>1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and
myself)
>THIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME.
>
>
>2 ---A reply from someone unknown but it says its from me - Missing the
"RE:" (reply all goes to bungi and myself)
>THIS ONE WAS SENT TO BUNGI
>
>
>3 ---Bob Grimes[SMTP:bobg@webzone.net] (reply all goes to Bob Grimes, bungi
and myself)tHIS ONE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO ME.
>
>
>MOST CURIOUS.  MMMMMM?
>
>
>Dave and Glenna, what has changed? Is it me? I wasn't having this problem
before. Reply all used to list the sender and bungi----period.
>
>Help!
>
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>Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an 
inked set
>of prints?  and is the original destroyed?

The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy 
would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only 
photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the 
list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think 
Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This 
would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The 
idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds 
great.

Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work 
although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon 
blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob 

____
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> we set up a monthly or weekly bio
> posting?  Someone like Albert, who
> has been with bungi forever

Have I been volunteered? <s>

Albert

You were, Albert!
But then Patrick Kelly went and volnuteered himself.
So we jumped on him (poor soul!)
Now should it be A- as in Albert, or L - as in Lewis....??? Hhmmmm...
Get y'er skates on ;->

By the way Mr. Kelly, a couple of lurkers (and oldies)
Armstrong, Mary, who pointed out to me my misinterpretation of "geek"
                           (Thanks honey!!)
and
Boe, Lee who has just crawled back (perhaps on all fours) after a 
show.
Go get 'em!
Oh yes, then there is Albright, Suzanne (... gottcha...!)  ;-D
Elisabeth 'n Toby Zwinehund in UK
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Hi all,
Don't mean to jump in, but I tried it yesterday!! I made a photoresist of my
24 year old's feet and no the orginal is not touched. A laser copy black on
white with light 18 bond paper was what I did, then I developed it on
emulsion film, like Raysist, with a UV light for 3.5 minutes. It then gets
washed out, which I do by sponge and quick dried with a hair dryer. Aired
dried for 1 hour and it's ready to apply. Which is put on by adhesive. A
light blast is all that's needed...I use a pressure pot system not syphon,
but I've see it done with a syphon system. Then again light pressure.
I feel in love with the idea, thanks all!!
Cindy


Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an 
inked set
>of prints?  and is the original destroyed?



The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy 
would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only 
photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the 
list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think 
Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This 
would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The 
idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds 
great.

Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work 
although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon 
blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob 

____
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Elisabeth sweetly wrote:
>Oh yes, then there is Albright, Suzanne (... gottcha...!)  ;-D
>Elisabeth 'n Toby Zwinehund in UK

Suzanne wants to know:
Elisabeth, just what *is* your last name, anyway?
And don't try to tell us it's Zwinehund!




Suzanne Albright
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What did you put it on?
A beer mug?  Does a 24 year old's footprint fit on a beer mug?<G>


BOB DUCHESNEAU by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Don't mean to jump in, but I tried it yesterday!! I made a photoresist of my
> 24 year old's feet and no the orginal is not touched. A laser copy black on
> white with light 18 bond paper was what I did, then I developed it on
> emulsion film, like Raysist, with a UV light for 3.5 minutes. It then gets
> washed out, which I do by sponge and quick dried with a hair dryer. Aired
> dried for 1 hour and it's ready to apply. Which is put on by adhesive. A
> light blast is all that's needed...I use a pressure pot system not syphon,
> but I've see it done with a syphon system. Then again light pressure.
> I feel in love with the idea, thanks all!!
> Cindy
> 
> Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an
> inked set
> >of prints?  and is the original destroyed?
> 
> The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy
> would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only
> photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the
> list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think
> Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This
> would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The
> idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds
> great.
> 
> Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work
> although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon
> blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob
> 
> ____
> Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg
> that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.)
> 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA
> Voice (760) 749-3966    FAX (760) 749-6427
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	This is my first communication with this group.  I want to
purchase bronze lampbases,  perhaps lost wax ones, for 2 Tiffany style
shades I have received as gifts.  I want a floor base for a 28" Magnolia
and a table base for a 22" floral.  The bases at the local stained glass
shops are as expensive as the shades (which I hope to make some day, when
the children are older).  If anyone knows where I can obtain good quality
bronze bases at reasonable prices, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  I
live in upstate N.Y., if shipping is an issue.  Thank you.
			Diane B. Smith
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What did you put it on?
A beer mug?  Does a 24 year old's footprint fit on a beer mug?<G>


Yep, it was a beer mug, guess I forgot to mention that I scanned the item
for size..It was his baby foot prints from the hospital, don't think he'd
let me do it now! I bordered it and added some text; date born, size lb. and
height and name.=20
Cindy

BOB DUCHESNEAU by way of cpesonen@bcinternet.net (Cindy Pesonen) wrote:
>=20
> Hi all,
> Don't mean to jump in, but I tried it yesterday!! I made a photoresist of=
 my
> 24 year old's feet and no the orginal is not touched. A laser copy black=
 on
> white with light 18 bond paper was what I did, then I developed it on
> emulsion film, like Raysist, with a UV light for 3.5 minutes. It then gets
> washed out, which I do by sponge and quick dried with a hair dryer. Aired
> dried for 1 hour and it's ready to apply. Which is put on by adhesive. A
> light blast is all that's needed...I use a pressure pot system not syphon,
> but I've see it done with a syphon system. Then again light pressure.
> I feel in love with the idea, thanks all!!
> Cindy
>=20
> Bob, how do I go about getting a photoresist, can they do it from an
> inked set
> >of prints?  and is the original destroyed?
>=20
> The tiny foot prints I have seen were on a birth cert. A Xerox copy
> would be fine to make a photo resist from. Origional art work is only
> photographed and is normally returned unchanged. You can check in the
> list of suppliers at SG Biz for companies to make the resist. I think
> Raysist offers a home kit so you can to make your own resists. This
> would beat the minimum charges for each order and save time also. The
> idea of putting the prints on a beer mug for an OLDER child sounds
> great.
>=20
> Any small blaster should do the job. Acid cream etch would work
> although I like the effect of sandblast better. High pressure syphon
> blasters may be to much for some photo resists to stand up to. Bob
>=20
> ____
> Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, (Upon reciept of msg
> that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.)
> 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA
> Voice (760) 749-3966    FAX (760) 749-6427
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:28:00 -0500
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Hi Guys,

Once I got a hold of a bad bunch of solder.  The company rep said that
they had hired a lot of new people and they had screwed up the mix!

Gary Dodge


>This sounds very much like the problem that I was having.
>And still having with new flux, new solder and a new iron. My new flux 
>is
>Glasstar ! A gel type. 
>	Is your iron hot enough?  I am going to check to see if the 
>outlet I am
>using is working right!
>
>
>I tried to soulder a panel last night. My usual solder is very soupy 
>but =
>last night it seemed to peak kind of high (I liked that) and then it 
>got =
>to the consistency of mashed potatoes and it wanted to stick to the =
>glass where ever I pulled off the line. What a mess. Same iron, 100 w 
>=
>Inland on a reostat (I had that baby cranked up to 800 and I usually 
>go =
>about 700) and same solder brand name (60-40). The only thing 
>different =
>was new flux - Flexamatic by Stewart Hall. It's a water soluable and =
>says it has the same ingredients as the Glasstar that I'd been using. 
>=
>Comments please? I absolutely dread going back to the panel tonight 
>and =
>trying to fix it. I just hate it when things don't work and I have no 
>=
>idea how to make them work. Patience is not my long suit.
>
>Linda Campbell
>

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I know this subject was addressed a couple of weeks abo, but i had a
harddrive go on vacation and i lost my messages.
   Are there any pattern shears for copper foil that work, Im new to the
hobby and i think the shears that i have now might drive me to drinking
;-) . they cut fine on the right side but rip the pattern paper on the
left side, right now i am using a pare of regular scisors to clean up
the lines after using the pattern shears(which is causing my pieces to
shrink too much). any suggestions?

Jeremy Hopkins
KC8GWH
toledo ohio

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Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo twistes the bytes to say:

 Christie> OK all fellow bungians who have asked to
 Christie> view some of my works.  Here are four, thanks
 Christie> to Albert Lewis, IGGA, and the kind folks at
 Christie> StainedGlassBiz.

 Christie> My web site can be found at
 Christie> http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/1433cw.htm

It is nothing against you or your work. 

It is aginst the design of that web site.

It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another...

I am in a fast connection --at the University. NOnetheless, every page
was taking longer than 30 seconds to download. Most of pages passed by
without giving me time to even see the works. 

Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours.


 Christie> Isn't technology great?

Sometimes I feel like a Luddite... 

 Christie> Christie A. Wood
 Christie> Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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I guess I'm going to be in the same spot either way - Susan Stern!
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> Elisabeth, just what *is* your last name, anyway?
> And don't try to tell us it's Zwinehund!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seems we have a bit of a dilemma here.  How do we prove
or disprove Elisabeths last name? Hmmmmm.

Laurean ( I have a bit of a reprieve ) Clover

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First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass,
do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead
a piece at a time?

Second question, Suzanne, could you email me?  I killed
my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses.

Mary, I remembered yours!

Laurean


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mike peck wrote:
> 
> Received the below from ..... well, he asked not to be identified,
> so......
> Enjoy!
> > Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb?
> > A: 1,331:
<chuckling>God BLESS you Mike P.!!!!
<ROFLMTOHMSWTSDMF>!!!!!!!!!
<LSHIH>
V T Phelps
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The UK bungians will soon have it on a listing of all the UK bungian
names & addresses which Elisabeth herself promised to send to them.
Between them, myself, and the EVER honorable Toby Tobias/Zwinehund we
can reasonably hold her to honesty regarding her alphabetical position
for Biography posting.
Sworn to Silent Loyalty,
V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
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> > Elisabeth, just what *is* your last name, anyway?
> > And don't try to tell us it's Zwinehund!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Seems we have a bit of a dilemma here.  How do we prove
> or disprove Elisabeths last name? Hmmmmm.
> 
> Laurean ( I have a bit of a reprieve ) Clover
>
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Linda Campbell wrote:
> 
> 
> In reply to my Mashed potato flux problem, I have gotten replys from the =
> following:
> 
> 1 ---NCScouter[SMTP:ncscoutr@aol.com] (reply all goes to "NCSScouter and
> myself)
> 
> Why is this?

Dear Linda,
This was because *silly me forgot to post to Reply All" or post to
glass@bungi.com, and I ended up accidentally sending it just to you. I
have done THIS posting correctly.
Sorry for the mix-up-
V T Phelps (who suspects that Mike Peck is reading this and giggling
something to himself under his breath about posting to
listserve.posting.news.comdotlaughdotlaughdotlaughdotdotdot!)
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Hi all,
A couple of days ago, Daniel German posted a most excellent excerpt 
on how to photograph sg from his own web-page.
I got quite intrigued
Photographing sg has always been a "bug-bear" of mine, even though I 
am quite a keen amateur photographer.
When Gabriel also mentioned that his mother-tongue was not English - 
that really pressed MY sympathy-button :-) (I know how he feels....)
I found his e-mail most helpful and detailed - and - also very 
generous.
So I sat down one morning and went to visit his web-page. I found the 
mixture both intriguing, enchanting and fun.
(And  WHEN can I see some Mexican recipes Daniel??)
Eventually I arrived at the page of some of Daniel's own photographs, 
both in colour & black & white.
Eventually (about an hour and a bit) the down load was completed (at 
least of the thumbnails - why so long Daniel??).
Boy, are they some photographs!!!!
They are exciting and sesnitive both in colours and composition!
Not only that, but in his obvious generous style, Daniel has added 
details for each one: rough location, type of film used, speed and 
aperture.
The big blue stained glass in the Art Museum in Chicago, can surely 
ONLY be Chagall ???? (It didn't say... :-(      )
I would have liked to look at ALL of them on the bigger scale, but by 
now my telephone bill was signalling "orange", because the down-load 
of each enlargement took about 15-20 minutes. (and I have got a 
reasonably fast modem -  28.8).
Beautiful photographs, Daniel! Quite spectacular!
I would like to ask you why you have used Fuji film in preference to 
any other film? I use Kodak for prints and Agfa for slides (it's the 
one I learnt with and know, which doesn't necessarily mean that it is 
the best for s.g. purposes. It's more a question of "the devil you 
know"...) Thank you for sharing and welcome to Bungi!!!! (Oh yes! 
There is even a photo of Daniel himeslf on the Main Page!!! Ahhhh! If 
I was only 20 years younger.....  ;-> .. sigh...   ) 
Go have a look folks!
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Daniel German wrote:
Hi SGers,

I was overwhelmed by the amount of responses I have gotten to my
previous requests. This is my way to pay back. In the spirit of the
Internet, I am making this a FAQ. This is the first part. I'm very
open to suggestions and topics you want covered. I don't make any
guarantee on how long it will take me but I'll be finished one day. I
am planning to add photos in the future.

Please be gentle, remember that English is not my first language :)

dmg

P.S. I'll be available on the Web at:

http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/photo/glass/


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Christie,
Congrats on your web pages!  Photos are soooo good!  Great work shown!
Lenore of Flourtown
(formerly known as Eleanor
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Thanks to every one who replied about the soulder. Lots of good points =
to consider. I found the problem. Stupid me didn't check the iron tip. =
The retainer ring wasn't screwed tightly. All is fixed.

About the reply all. Still don't know why others posts are coming in =
whit my name as the sender. But, duplicate reply are because of reply =
all. This sends on to the sender and one to bungi.

Linda Campbell
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Valerie,
What does <ROFLMT......> and <LSHIH> mean?  These are really NEW ones to me.
Thanks for info!      Lenore
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E&T  twistes the bytes to say:

 E&T> Hi all,
 E&T> A couple of days ago, Daniel German posted a most excellent excerpt 
 E&T> on how to photograph sg from his own web-page.
 E&T> I got quite intrigued
 E&T> Photographing sg has always been a "bug-bear" of mine, even though I 
 E&T> am quite a keen amateur photographer.
 E&T> When Gabriel also mentioned that his mother-tongue was not English - 
 E&T> that really pressed MY sympathy-button :-) (I know how he feels....)

I used to hate English. I still do. But... I had and still have no
choice. After all, the best rock comes from the UK.

 E&T> I found his e-mail most helpful and detailed - and - also very 
 E&T> generous.

I'd like to add something about generosity on the Internet. The
Internet is divided in many, many neighborhoods. Many of them have
thrived for more than 10 years while other are recent incantations of
this medium.  I am in the computer field. Obviously, computer geeks
are still, if not the most common of the netcitizens, they are the
most pervasive and oldest. The computer neighborhood is the largest
and best developed. And the most giving. Giving, you might wonder, in
which respect? I'll give you examples: the operating system that I run
in my desktop and my laptop and all the software I use on both
machines has been a collected work of many netcitizens and it is free,
yes, FREE. Take your web browser --Netscape, at least for students is
also free-- and visit www.faqs.org: more free information. I have been
designing a computer control for my camera. I have been getting free
advice and diagrams from different places and more important, from
different people on the Net.

The Internet changed a lot when the Web came along. It made it a
flashy place, but made some people forget two of its more important
parts: mailing lists and USENET newsgroups; where real people
communicate with common interests. You know exactly what I mean
because all you are here.

Philanthropy used to be as common on the Net as it was conspicuous the
lack of commercial domains.

Mike is another one of those philanthropist. He has what I believe is
probably the best website on SG on the Internet, and he does it just
for the pleasure of doing it (and we know it, to share his experiences
with aliens :)

If you go to my home page, you'll find the statement:

"Throughout the years, USENET FAQs have been an immeasurable source of
knowledge, entertainment, and trouble solving. I have started these
FAQ projects as a retribution to all those FAQs."

If we take from the Net, and at the same time we add, it grows. And it
becomes a better place to be.

I don't consider myself generous. I am paying back.


--End of my diatribe.

 E&T> So I sat down one morning and went to visit his web-page. I found the 
 E&T> mixture both intriguing, enchanting and fun.

You forgot to say eclectic! :)

 E&T> (And  WHEN can I see some Mexican recipes Daniel??)

Whenever I finish my thesis.

 E&T> Eventually I arrived at the page of some of Daniel's own photographs, 
 E&T> both in colour & black & white.
 E&T> Eventually (about an hour and a bit) the down load was completed (at 
 E&T> least of the thumbnails - why so long Daniel??).

Ok, after your note, I spent some time reducing the files to 33% of
their original size.

 E&T> Boy, are they some photographs!!!!
 E&T> They are exciting and sesnitive both in colours and composition!
 E&T> Not only that, but in his obvious generous style, Daniel has added 
 E&T> details for each one: rough location, type of film used, speed and 
 E&T> aperture.
 E&T> The big blue stained glass in the Art Museum in Chicago, can surely 
 E&T> ONLY be Chagall ???? (It didn't say... :-(      )

Yes, it is. If you enlarge it, it is in the Art Institute of
Chicago. American Window, if my memory is not yet fading.

 E&T> I would have liked to look at ALL of them on the bigger scale, but by 
 E&T> now my telephone bill was signalling "orange", because the down-load 
 E&T> of each enlargement took about 15-20 minutes. (and I have got a 
 E&T> reasonably fast modem -  28.8).

Try again, this time use the following address:

http://aries17.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/

The server has a role in the slowness of my data.

 E&T> Beautiful photographs, Daniel! Quite spectacular!

Thanks, I certainly appreciate your kind comments.

 E&T> I would like to ask you why you have used Fuji film in preference to 
 E&T> any other film? I use Kodak for prints and Agfa for slides (it's the 

It depends on the application and my experience with it. 

Here is a breakdown of my film I use.

In Black and White I use:

Kodak TriX, excellent tonal range, and excellent pushability (all the
            way to 3200
Kodak TMax 100, 400 Both have tiny grain and are beatiful. The former
           excels for portraits.
Kodak TMax3200P The option for those dark, dark places
Kodak TMax400CN Flexible: B&W photos in one hour labs.

Now, colour negatives:

Fuji SuperG 100. I like its colour saturation, blues and greens. 
Fuji SuperG 800. THe best colour film for low light situations
Agfa HDC    100. If my photos that do not include people, this is the way
                 to go: deep colours that jump out of the print. (Best
                 for SG, IMHO)
Kodak Gold  100. If my photos people include.

Slides:
Fuji Velvia 50. This is a profesional film. Tiny grain and you will
                take beautiful photos all the time. Useless for photos
                of people but the way to go with SG. The only pro
	        film I am willing to buy for the time being.
Fuji Sensia 100 My typical slide film. Follows the Fuji tradition of 
                rich primaries, but it is kinder on people.
Kodachrome      Good, neutral film and supposed to last longer than
                any other slide film.


I do like Fuji. They are, IMHO, the best. And I dislike Kodak way of
making business. (I loved it when the WTO ruled against them --for the
first time against an American claim-- in the their case against Fuji)

 E&T> one I learnt with and know, which doesn't necessarily mean that it is 
 E&T> the best for s.g. purposes. It's more a question of "the devil you 

Yeap. Every film has a given application, IMHO.



--
Daniel M. German                  "For indeed who is there alive
                                   that will not be swayed by his
                                   bias and partiality to
    Jonathan Swift ->              the place of his birth?"
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Val: I cut all the glass and then (as I finish each piece) place on the
cartoon,or pattern,whatever you wish to call it,to see how the fit
is,then I proceed to lead...I'm sure most others do the same, No?......
Don <eldondo1@juno.com)

On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:30:24 -0800 val clover <vlclover@rconnect.com>
writes:
>First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass,
>do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead
>a piece at a time?
>
>Second question, Suzanne, could you email me?  I killed
>my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses.
>
>Mary, I remembered yours!
>
>Laurean
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val clover wrote:
> 
> First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass,
> do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead
> a piece at a time?
> 
> Second question, Suzanne, could you email me?  I killed
> my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses.
> 
> Mary, I remembered yours!
> 
> Laurean
> 
> ----


i think we covered this one awhile ago. though... i use all methods:

panels: i'll cut about 5-10 pieces, grind and fit, wash and foil, then
repeat. it would be a section like a flower, or leaves. then i'd lay the
background pieces under the foiled pieces and trace around them for a
near perfect fit. 

boxes: most of the time i cut everything and do a light grinding, foil
then solder. if it's a complex box i'll do it in sections, but i always
foil for each section. 

suncatchers: i cut everything, then grind and fit, then solder. it goes
alot faster this way.

i never liked cutting all the pieces first it's difficult to place them
back in the right posistion (like a puzzle). though you can get more
accurate fittings...

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>Carol,
>Someone mentioned in a post a few weeks ago that a simple, certain way
>to get a green verdigris on copper is to use urine.  It's true, it
>works.  I also know that car battery acid will make copper green, I
>think it's hydrochloric.  Hydrochloric acid will be more odor free than
>urine, although not as good!

Gee Steve I must have missed that post...wonder how the designer would react
if I suggested he buy beer for the entire crew prior to installation <BG>


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In a message dated 98-03-04 12:57:44 EST, you write:

> Electrical outlets either work or
>  they don't work. (they don't run at half mast)
this isn't entirely true,  I don't know all the technical aspects of it but I
do know that if you run say a refrigerator or an airconditioner off of an
extension cord you will get less something, voltage?, and you will burn up the
motor.
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Hi all, I must be different! I do one piece at a time, I use little lead
strips and nails to keep the work together as I go along... Goes like this
cut and lead, cut and lead or cut and foil, cut and foil.
Different strokes for different folks:)
Cindy



Val: I cut all the glass and then (as I finish each piece) place on the
cartoon,or pattern,whatever you wish to call it,to see how the fit
is,then I proceed to lead...I'm sure most others do the same, No?......
Don <eldondo1@juno.com)

On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:30:24 -0800 val clover <vlclover@rconnect.com>
writes:
>First question, I am wondering how you all cut glass,
>do you cut all the glass, then lead, or cut and lead
>a piece at a time?
>
>Second question, Suzanne, could you email me?  I killed
>my computer yesterday, and lost all my email addresses.
>
>Mary, I remembered yours!
>
>Laurean
>
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> Hi all, I must be different! I do one piece at a time, I use little lead
>  strips and nails to keep the work together as I go along... Goes like this
>  cut and lead, cut and lead or cut and foil, cut and foil.
>  Different strokes for different folks:)
>  Cindy

doing the job like this means that you are moving all over the shop or have
ALL your tools out at the same time.  Especially with the foil, that would be
cutting the glass, grinding if needed, washing it off (the foil won't stick to
the oil left on it from the cutting toolor the dust from the grinder) drying
it and then foiling,and burnishing. For each peice that just seems like too
many steps while you are standing there.  I prefer if I'm doing foiled glass
to sit at nite and foil in front of the tv.
deb
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> It is nothing against you or your work. 
> It is aginst the design of that web site.
> It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another...

I'm the webmaster in charge
of the Light Show.  There is, it's true, a 30-second delay if you
merely wait. But the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper
left-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want
to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until
you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward"
and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image?
Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back."

> Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours.>

Well, that's *now! <g> The index has been prepared, just not plugged
in yet. You can go
http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/lightind.htm to see it
immediately.

Albert

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In a message dated 98-03-04 12:57:44 EST, you write:


  Hi Deb, well, you have described a problem using an electrical extension
cord   that isn't rated high enough for the power coming thru and you will
also find your extension cord heating up. You should be using a heavier
rated extension cord or none at all. Some appliances will tell you not to
run off an extension cord, the pull for power is too great. The topic I was
talking about was not about extension cords at all, but the  power coming
from the source (Re) your power distrubution box and running thru to your
outlets (Re) your plug boxes and switches.
Cindy




  
> Electrical outlets either work or
>  they don't work. (they don't run at half mast)
this isn't entirely true,  I don't know all the technical aspects of it but I
do know that if you run say a refrigerator or an airconditioner off of an
extension cord you will get less something, voltage?, and you will burn up the
motor.
deb
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Hi All-

I have for some time now been
looking for a source of glass shades-
half-sphere with a hole drilled in the
center, with or without a sandblasted
outer surface.  I have had numerous
requests for Handel-style custom
lamp shades.  These are painted with
artists colors on the inside, traditionally
with a landscape or floral design, and
the sandblast on the outside softens the
effect as well as diffuses the light.  I
saw a whole gaggle of them in various
sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China
of course!) so I know the shades are
manufactured somewhere!  Any leads
are much appreciated - thanks!

Best regards,

Dani Greer
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Hi All-

I have for some time now been
looking for a source of glass shades-
half-sphere with a hole drilled in the
center, with or without a sandblasted
outer surface.  I have had numerous
requests for Handel-style custom
lamp shades.  These are painted with
artists colors on the inside, traditionally
with a landscape or floral design, and
the sandblast on the outside softens the
effect as well as diffuses the light.  I
saw a whole gaggle of them in various
sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China
of course!) so I know the shades are
manufactured somewhere!  Any leads
are much appreciated - thanks!

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
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>doing the job like this means that you are moving all over the shop or have
>ALL your tools out at the same time.  Especially with the foil, that would be
>cutting the glass, grinding if needed, washing it off (the foil won't
stick to
>the oil left on it from the cutting toolor the dust from the grinder) drying
>it and then foiling,and burnishing. For each peice that just seems like too
>many steps while you are standing there.  I prefer if I'm doing foiled glass
>to sit at nite and foil in front of the tv.

I guess it depends on a person's motivations.  I pretty much do one piece
at a time, unless it's a bunch of strip pieces.  This is for a couple of
reasons.  First, I find I get a better fit if I do one piece at a time and
grind each piece to exacly match the foil contours of the previous piece.
Second, I find myself getting less bored with a project if I have a variety
of tasks to do during a session.  Also, I do stained glass as a hobby and
so I don't look at it as a speed contest for myself - a finished project
that I'm happy with is more important than finishing it as quickly as
possible.  

However, this is just my way of doing things.

Scott

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Message text written by "Michael J. Greer"
>Any leads
are much appreciated - thanks!<

And if anyone does have a lead on these,
please post it to bungi.  I am also interested!

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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Albert Lewis wrote:
> 
> > It is nothing against you or your work.
> > It is aginst the design of that web site.
> > It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another...
> 
> I'm the webmaster in charge
> of the Light Show.  There is, it's true, a 30-second delay if you
> merely wait. But the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper
> left-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want
> to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until
> you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward"
> and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image?
> Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back."
> 
> > Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours.>
> 
> Well, that's *now! <g> The index has been prepared, just not plugged
> in yet. You can go
> http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/lightind.htm to see it
> immediately.
> 
> Albert
> 
> ----

will there be an index page of all the works up there? i just don't feel
like looking at one picture at a time. and with the speed of my machine,
by the time the picture loads, it blinks to the next one in line.

---Mike Savad

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I had a lady e-mail me about needing a possible repair on a 12" diameter
piece - I'm not sure what all is involved or what all would need to be done
to it.  I don't generally do repairs, so I told her I'd ask around.  Anyone
in the southern Wisconsin area that wants to try and help her out?  Or
anyone else want to try a "long distance" repair (obviously it's a piece
that can be shipped back and forth if necessary)?

E-mail me if you're interested, and I'll send the names and e-mail addys to
her.  It would be helpful if you indicate your location, too.

Thanks!

Steph ~


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Hi Mike, is that the finished product that you are looking for or are you
looking to finish it yourself?
Dumb and stupid, Cindy

Also I have noticed when I redirect my message I can't change from whom it's
send by... my screen does tell me it's by way of me but from some one else.
All I can change is the mailing address. I hope this doesn't offend anyone
and if anyone knows what I can do about it please tell me.
Really dumb and stupid, Cindy



Hi All-

I have for some time now been
looking for a source of glass shades-
half-sphere with a hole drilled in the
center, with or without a sandblasted
outer surface.  I have had numerous
requests for Handel-style custom
lamp shades.  These are painted with
artists colors on the inside, traditionally
with a landscape or floral design, and
the sandblast on the outside softens the
effect as well as diffuses the light.  I
saw a whole gaggle of them in various
sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China
of course!) so I know the shades are
manufactured somewhere!  Any leads
are much appreciated - thanks!

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
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Well, Susan,

It's written in my every single e-mail, just underneath my name & 
motto   ;-)
All you do is just click on it
http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm
Have fun!
Elisabeth 'n Toby

Susan wrote:
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Jeremy wrote:
>   Are there any pattern shears for copper foil that work, Im new to the
>hobby and i think the shears that i have now might drive me to drinking
>;-) . they cut fine on the right side but rip the pattern paper on the
>left side, right now i am using a pare of regular scisors to clean up
>the lines after using the pattern shears(which is causing my pieces to
>shrink too much). any suggestions?

Suzanne:
Yup. Throw them out. Use regular scissors. Trace the pattern onto your 
glass, cut on the *inside* of the line. You might end up grinding a bit 
more, however, it leaves you more room for errors and "adjustments".



Suzanne Albright
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Hi Christie,
Realy fine works. I love the
"Ebb Tide" lamp. But the Window als are a fine work.
It's a Fantastic light for a private home.
Hello from germany, herbert

Privat mail:
Tiffany-Glaskunst@t-online.de

http://www.bastelzauber.com


Daniel M. German schrieb:
>
> Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo twistes the bytes to say:
>
>  Christie> OK all fellow bungians who have asked to
>  Christie> view some of my works.  Here are four, thanks
>  Christie> to Albert Lewis, IGGA, and the kind folks at
>  Christie> StainedGlassBiz.
>
>  Christie> My web site can be found at
>  Christie> http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/lightshow/1433cw.htm
>
> It is nothing against you or your work. 
>
> It is aginst the design of that web site.
>
> It takes 30 seconds to jump from one page to another...
>
> I am in a fast connection --at the University. NOnetheless, every page
> was taking longer than 30 seconds to download. Most of pages passed by
> without giving me time to even see the works. 
>
> Even worse, there is no way to see a listing to try to find yours.
>
>
>  Christie> Isn't technology great?
>
> Sometimes I feel like a Luddite... 
>
>  Christie> Christie A. Wood
>  Christie> Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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>                                    that all our science, measured against
>                                    reality, is primivite and childlike
>                                    --and yet it is the most precious thing
>    Albert Einstein ->              we have. "
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hmmmmmm urine huh.   wonder how the board of health inspectors would like
that.... "Hey bud did you at least wash your hands?".....   Guess all those
pigeons on the statues were working on their verdigris....

Maureen.....
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	Sue, there is a little advice about using another's design for profit (I 
assume that as you refer to the client as a customer) without permission 
from the artist/designer of a design. Don't do it, that is an infringement 
of copyright. Get permission, pay the designer for his time and effort. How 
would you feel if I designed a piece then asked you to make it for free, 
you'd think I was crazy. When I make a design, I expect to be paid, when 
you make a lamp you expect to be paid. Fair is fair. There are many books 
with stained glass patterns that allow the use of patterns but read the 
front of the book! Most say, and I quote, "No part of this publication may 
be reproduced..... with the exception of reproduction of the designs 
expressly for personal use only, NOT FOR FINANCIAL GAIN!" ( my capitals for 
emphasis). It is not fair or considerate to use another's work without 
permission, also you leave yourself open to a lawsuit for infringement of 
copyright!! I have on occasion given a design for general use but be sure 
that designs you use ARE stipulated as copyright free! Even for people who 
have trouble with designs , a little work will get you better at it, give 
it a try. I sometimes spend days researching a window, then adjusting the 
design time and time again 'til I am happy with it. I am a trained and 
schooled artist and have worked hard to get there. Yes I feel that I have a 
gift for it, but I don't sit down like magic and it appears. I wish you 
well in your endeavors, but all of you out there who use others designs for 
profit, be fair.
Glenn Spicer,
The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From:	Sue Reitmann [SMTP:oddjob@scc.net]
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Subject:	Wood duck pattern

I am looking for a pattern of a wood duck that could be incorporated into a 
hanging lamp. Any suggestions? I am not good at design! Customer is talking 
about the diamature across the bottom opening to be aprx. 15-16 1/2"
Thanks in advance
Sue Reitmann

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Hi Laurean,

How did you kill your computer? Poison, chainsaw, gun, knife? Sorry. Hope 
it's better now.

I am very lucky that my husband is a computer guru, of sorts. 
Well...lucky sometimes. He really wants me to *learn* the damn thing and 
all I want to do is play games and write to Bungi on it. The best part of 
my mind goes to glass.

It depends how I feel that day, what I've had for breakfast, etc., etc., 
or the pattern itself. If there's a border I usually cut them all with 
the straight edge on Morton, make sure they fit, and foil them first, 
since they're the outside edge, and then I have another ready-made border 
for the inside. 

Sometimes I do all of one color at a time, particularly if there are a 
lot of similar-shapes and sizes, like feathers on a bird. It's more 
economical that way, you can line up all those little feathers on a strip 
of glass and zip away. If I get bored, then I'll change to another glass 
and/or color. One thing for sure: cut all the largest pieces first, so if 
you screw up you'll still have enough glass to cut another. The smaller 
pieces you can usually get from scraps.

I was taught to cut out the whole pattern at once, first. Well, sometimes 
I do and sometimes not. It's fun to cut out maybe *half the pattern at 
once, do that complete part, then go on to the other. As I said, it 
depends on the phase of the moon...

Happy glassing!


Suzanne Albright
suzy@comcat.com


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This is with regard to using Corel Draw as a source for
patterns.

>From the authors of most of Corel's clipart, in response to my
enquiry. 


Mearle  twists the bytes to say:

 Mearle> Daniel-

 Mearle> You may make all the stained glass work from our Corel images that you
 Mearle> desire. Royalty free.

 Mearle> Best Wishes,

 Mearle> Mearle Gates

 Mearle> Daniel M. German wrote:

 >> Hi there,
 >> 
 >> I bought Corel Draw. As part of the clipart it includes hundreds of
 >> your photos.
 >> 
 >> I do stained glass work and your icons are source of inspiration. My
 >> question is, what is the licensing agreement that I get from corel
 >> draw with respect to the use of your clipart? Can I use them in order
 >> to modify them and then make glass panels based on them?
 >> 
 >> Thanks for your information.
 >> 
 >> --
 >> Daniel M. German                  "Any sufficiently advanced
 >> technology is indistinguishable
 >> Arthur C. Clarke ->             from magic."
 >> http://csgwww.uwaterloo.ca/~dmg/home.html
 >> dmg@csg.uwaterloo.ca
 >> 




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   G. H. Hardy ->                  mathematics."
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I wonder what kind of pattern paper Jeremy uses? I know we all have our
choices,mine is Mylar and the good pattern shears have been perfect for
me(for foil especially) I cut my lead work over a light box,when I use
most any glass (except black of course)  The foil shears,with mylar have
been used in our shop for nine years and with great results. I guess it's
what you get used to,but I hate to see foil shears put down,although I
have heard many horror stories on bungi about them......
Don <eldondo1@juno.com)

On Thu, 5 Mar 98 20:41:02 -0500 suzanne albright <suzy@ComCAT.COM>
writes:
>Jeremy wrote:
>>   Are there any pattern shears for copper foil that work, Im new to 
>the
>>hobby and i think the shears that i have now might drive me to 
>drinking
>>;-) . they cut fine on the right side but rip the pattern paper on 
>the
>>left side, right now i am using a pare of regular scisors to clean up
>>the lines after using the pattern shears(which is causing my pieces 
>to
>>shrink too much). any suggestions?
>
>Suzanne:
>Yup. Throw them out. Use regular scissors. Trace the pattern onto your 
>
>glass, cut on the *inside* of the line. You might end up grinding a 
>bit 
>more, however, it leaves you more room for errors and "adjustments".
>
>
>
>Suzanne Albright
>suzy@comcat.com
>
>
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A big thanks to the folks at the site who chose my work as the feature
of the week, along with adding two pieces in the Gallery. I was really
surprised when i opened the web site and up pops the window for the
mansion in Cincinnati. Thanks again.  Rick Lasita
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THE BUS IS FULL
The bus trip to Youghiogheny Glass, Fallingwater, and Nemacolin  
Woodlands Resort planned by  Warner-Crivellaro for their Glass 
Lover's Weekend, departing Allentown on Saturday, April 18th at 5:00 
a.m. bound for the Youghiogheny Glass Factory in Connellsville, 
Pennsylvania is fully booked. If you missed this one, you'll be 
interested to know that they're planning another one for September. 
We'll keep you posted.

NEW WORK ONLINE
We added even more work to the Architectural Art Glass Light Show 
this morning ... not a lot, but very nice work by Arthur Stern of 
California is right at the top of the show at this point. (The images 
of his work are linked to his web site, which is one of the nicest 
we've seen -- congrats, Arthur!)

Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the
upper left-hand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on
that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start the show" ... simple!)

Remember: the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper
right-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want
to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until
you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward"
and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image?
Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back."

Enjoy!

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Hi everyone,

I received this msg. and thought I'd share it in case anyone
is interested in a job.

Here it is...

My name is Richard Jenkins and I am one of the directors or a summer
camp in the state of Maine (it's called Maine Teen Camp) that offers a
stained glass program amongst the many other arts offered.  If you would
like to check us out, you can at:  http://www.teencamp.com

Perhaps you could help me?  Our head stained glass instructor is unable
to join our staff again this year and I am looking for a replacement.
The job pays relatively well and offers a skilled glass person the
opportunity to introduce stained glass to a new generation of young
people, work in our facility, and enjoy all of the beauty of a summer
spent in Maine (it is an extremely inspirational place to work)!

I am writing you in hopes that in your position, you may have knowledge
of (and access to) a number of skilled glass artists who may be
interested in a summer job with us.  The position includes room and
board and salary is negotioable and because our camp is fully
international, wil at: teencamp@ix.netcom.com

Thanks in advance for any help.

Richard Jenkins

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Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif?

My MIL learned glass from him, and she 
is telling me he is world famous.  Me 
being skeptical, and her trying to be
more than what she is, are in disagreement,
and have $10.00 riding on this.

Laurean


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> Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif?
> 
> My MIL learned glass from him, and she 
> is telling me he is world famous.  Me 
> being skeptical, and her trying to be
> more than what she is, are in disagreement,
> and have $10.00 riding on this.

World famous? Hmm. I've been involved with the glass world for the 
past 30 years and haven't heard of him, although that doesn't mean he 
doesn't do good work. I show that he lives in Iowa, but other than 
that I don't know anything about him or his work. I realize it's 
incredibly arrogant to assume that if I don't recognize someone's 
name or can immediately visualize his/her work, he/she isn't world 
famous, but there you are. Just call me arrogant. <g>

On the other hand, I'd *like to know what his work is like, so if you 
talk to him, let him know I'm interested. (Do I get a piece of the 
ten dollars?) <g>

Albert

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In a message dated 98-03-06 12:55:52 EST, you write:

<<  My MIL learned glass from him, and she 
 > is telling me he is world famous.  Me 
 > being skeptical, and her trying to be
 > more than what she is, are in disagreement,
 > and have $10.00 riding on this.
 
 World famous? Hmm. I've been involved with the glass world for the 
 past 30 years and haven't heard of him, although that doesn't mean he 
 doesn't do good work. I show that he lives in Iowa, but other than 
 that I don't know anything about him or his work. I realize it's 
 incredibly arrogant to assume that if I don't recognize someone's 
 name or can immediately visualize his/her work, he/she isn't world 
 famous, but there you are. Just call me arrogant. <g>
 
  >>
I echo that response...have been "in glass" for at least 20 years and have
neither seen nor heard of this artist.  

M.S.Hanson, Design Dept.
Paned Expressions Studios
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TWIMC:

after the discussions last couple of  weeks about copyright I thought some
of you find the following website useful:

http://www.benedict.com/

Dany

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Albert and Ms Sophia,
	I am very happy to get your responses!  Hmmm, though my 10.00
just got reduced to $3.333!
	Knowing my MIL as I do, I knew she was full of it.  She is the
type who always has to be one up on someone!
	Again thanks!

Laurean
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B Hope
> this can help you clear up this identity problem.Beveler4(Stan)

Stan, 
	Thanks!  I do know that Nick is Marks brother.  Maybe
my MIL was referring to Mark as being famous, and saying that
she learned from Nick. Does this mean I lose?

Laurean
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I have heard of Mark Bogenrief I think thats how you spell his last name . He
started out as a beveler and did some really incredible work from the pictures
that I have seen.If you have access to a library find the book called "How to
Worked with Beveled Glass" by Anita and Cy Seymour published by chilton in
their glass series . Mark has alot of his work pictured in this book. B Hope
this can help you clear up this identity problem.Beveler4(Stan)
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At 01:24 PM 3/6/98 -0500, Daniela Birkelbach wrote:
>TWIMC:
>
>after the discussions last couple of  weeks about copyright I thought some
>of you find the following website useful:
>
>http://www.benedict.com/
>
>Dany
>
>Daniela Birkelbach
>

When I tried to go there all I got was:

			500 Server Error
			The transfer limit for this user has been reached 

Dava


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Laurean wrote:
> 
> Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif?
> 
> My MIL learned glass from him, and she
> is telling me he is world famous.  Me
> being skeptical, and her trying to be
> more than what she is, are in disagreement,
> and have $10.00 riding on this.
> 
> Laurean
> 
> ----


nope never heard of him.. what does he do?

---Mike Savad



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I hope that you can still collect your ten dollars. By the way I gave the
wrong names for the writers of the book, it was Anita and Seymour Isenberg
that wrote the book. Thought that I'd better correct that and give credit
where due.Beveler4(Stan)
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Haven't heard of him either-
23 years in glass for Michael.
Whenever I hear the expression
"world-renowned" I have to wonder
whose world?;-)

Best regards,

Dani Greer
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Greer Gallery & Studios
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HI!  

I have just started doing some fused glass paperweights.  Who says glass
paper weights need to be blown, with some stuff inside.  People use
railroad nails etc. for holding down paper.  These are quite nice, and
heavy enough for weights.  I have in the past for my fused glass plates,
weighed the finished product, used a formula I worked out to figure out
just how much GNA glass was actually in the piece, plus some waste,
estimated labor/shop expenses, a small mark up for shop and that was the
wholesale price, then the retail price was times 2.

These pieces are basically, seven layers of 2.5" square off set upon each
other, with various colors making up each square layer.  They are about
1.25" thick, but with down turned rounded off <fused> corners sticking out
in all directions.  This makes it easy to pick up.  They are all cathedral
glasses.  Now I weighed one and it weighs 6.25 oz.  using the formula I
previously used for plates and bowls, makes it around $20.00 wholesale and
$40.00 retail. My kiln is large enough to do probably 20-30 at a time, so
that expense is negligible.  Besides electricity here in this town is real
cheap.  The computer tells me how many kilowatts I have used for any one
firing, and it amounts to less than $2.00 per firing.  Even at the long
extended times needed for this thickness of glass.

Anyone out there know or feel these prices too high, or too low? I am
looking for some products I can produce and market to galleries.  But never
looked at paper weights, when I was out of town at galleries, and can't
compare them to the blown ones anyway.

Certainly appreciate any suggestions I can get.  I will photograph some
next week, have several in kiln today.  Then will get them up on web page.
With Alberts help of course.

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Dava,

I just tried it again - works fine for me.  It was voted Cool site of the
day by WEBREVIEW - might have been busy.

Dany

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> From: Kopp <glassurgeon@clis.com>
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> Subject: Re: copyright website
> Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 4:52 PM
> 
> At 01:24 PM 3/6/98 -0500, Daniela Birkelbach wrote:
> >TWIMC:
> >
> >after the discussions last couple of  weeks about copyright I thought
some
> >of you find the following website useful:
> >
> >http://www.benedict.com/
> >
> >Dany
> >
> >Daniela Birkelbach
> >
> 
> When I tried to go there all I got was:
> 
> 			500 Server Error
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> 
> Dava
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I've only been doing glass for 6 months or so but I love it. I've read
and looked at anything I can find on the Web and my library. Never
heard of him.

At this point in my life, Albert, Len, Howard, Elisabeth, Mike, Dani,
Elizabeth, Christy, Stan, etc (anyone who gives of themselves to answers
our newbie questions) (and we know who they are) are my most famous and
world reknowed artists.

Guess I just love the ones who take out time for me. And us. I hope to
be able to help and contribute more in the future as my skills grow.

Strive for excellence,

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Hello to all,
last week i ask if you want maybe a fairy-pattern. And some
send me a mail. Now you could load the picture on following
Internet address: http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm

Please not: the address are not on our main page or other.
We want publishing later a Pattern Book. And ties Pattern 
are one from the Book. In past USA Wholesale want not sale 
our Books in USA. So i think, ties book to we never sale in USA.

I hope you like the pattern. 
I could not very good English, but i read the most
of the bungi list. I hope you are not bad at me, 
because i could not writing many in the list.

herbert

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Thank you Jean. I am Sorry,
i forgo one /
an i do not know about the http
OK but the patter are on the Server. Not clicking.
Please take the right Mouse key and take from the
"Menu?" store up? under to your disk.
I hope you understand,
herbert


Jean schrieb:
> Also, Herbert (sorry, I called you 'harold' in the last post!), your
> address on this message is incorrect. It needs to be
> http://www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm (or you could just use
> www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm, we do not need to use the http://)
> You might want to send a correction to Bungi for this. 
>
> However, I still cannot pull up the patter by clicking on your link on the
> fairy page.
>
> Jean
> jean@lasercom.net
>
> ----------
> > From: Herbert Luidolt <Tiffany-Glas@t-online.de>
> > To: glass@bungi.com
> > Subject: Free fairy pattern
> > Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 5:49 PM
> > 
> > Hello to all,
> > last week i ask if you want maybe a fairy-pattern. And some
> > send me a mail. Now you could load the picture on following
> > Internet address:
>
>
>  http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm
>
> Must have two (2) // or just begin with www......
>
>
> > Please not: the address are not on our main page or other.
> > We want publishing later a Pattern Book. And ties Pattern 
> > are one from the Book. In past USA Wholesale want not sale 
> > our Books in USA. So i think, ties book to we never sale in USA.
> > 
> > I hope you like the pattern. 
> > I could not very good English, but i read the most
> > of the bungi list. I hope you are not bad at me, 
> > because i could not writing many in the list.
> > 
> > herbert
> > 
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talk about bungi withdrawal!!!  Due to a computer glitch, have not been
logged on for over a week.  Ouch!!! almost 1,000 message's tonight.  I
owe several people mail, but will have to wade through this all.  Glad
to be back even though I mostly lurk during show busy times (all winter
in Florida) oh my aching back, packing, hauling, setting up, tearing
down etc. and so on.  Please be patient will get to all the letters
yet.  Can you believe I haven't finished answering Christmas notes yet?  

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I have been waiting patiently for some Bios. Now I'm getting violent.
Where have all the bungis gone. I need the bios. (8-)

Patick
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What?!? You've never heard of him? Well, I am really surprised. He is my
mentor. 
     Nick has been a leader in the stained glass industry since the early
1950's. He is the father of the tinfoil method. Using  chewing gum wrappers,
he has created many a master piece. Works of his may be found in the
Smithsonian and the like. If standing close enough to a large window that he
created, you can sometimes hear  radio stations from as far away as Korea.
     Gotcha!
      Susan
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Hello Again,

I have the good fortune to be able to use a computer that has a lazer
engraver to etch almost everything. The baby footprint idea is a
wonderful idea. I have taken it one step further, my son and his wife
will celebrate thier first wedding anniversary soon and I have asked her
mother to send me a copy of her birth certificate. I'm going to scan her
right foot  and her left foot, and laser engrave the date of marriage,
and other data. It is great because you can use any font, any photo, any
graphic, etc. I let you all know how it turns out.

BTW (nag, nag, nag,) Bios, input ... input .... input.

Patrick
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Diane,

You could try Handley Industries in Buffalo.   716-893-5377

While not "genuine bronze", they do have floor lamp bases at a reasonable
price.

(No, I'm not a shill for Handley!)    ;-)

Gary Dodge                    www.dodgestudio.com


On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:49:05 -0500 dianebsmith@juno.com (Diane B. Smith)
writes:
>	This is my first communication with this group.  I want to
>purchase bronze lampbases,  perhaps lost wax ones, for 2 Tiffany style
>shades I have received as gifts.  I want a floor base for a 28" 
>Magnolia
>and a table base for a 22" floral.  The bases at the local stained 
>glass
>shops are as expensive as the shades (which I hope to make some day, 
>when
>the children are older).  If anyone knows where I can obtain good 
>quality
>bronze bases at reasonable prices, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  I
>live in upstate N.Y., if shipping is an issue.  Thank you.
>			Diane B. Smith
>			dianebsmith@juno.com
>


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Dani,

Not sure if these are what you're looking for, but I recently got a new
product announcement from J Handley & Co.  aka Handley Industries
announcing "Crystal Bristol Glass Shades for mosaics or painting.  Call
them at 716-893-5377

Gary Dodge                  www.dodgestudio.com


>Hi All-
>
>I have for some time now been
>looking for a source of glass shades-
>half-sphere with a hole drilled in the
>center, with or without a sandblasted
>outer surface.  I have had numerous
>requests for Handel-style custom
>lamp shades.  These are painted with
>artists colors on the inside, traditionally
>with a landscape or floral design, and
>the sandblast on the outside softens the
>effect as well as diffuses the light.  I
>saw a whole gaggle of them in various
>sizes at Hobby Lobby (made in China
>of course!) so I know the shades are
>manufactured somewhere!  Any leads
>are much appreciated - thanks!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dani Greer
>Greer Gallery & Studios

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Dear Getting-Violent Patrick (formerly Roses & Rainbows):

How are you planning on releasing these bios?

If it's alphabetical, we need to know Elisabeth's last name. It could be 
Aardvark, not Zwinehund.




Suzanne Albright
suzy@comcat.com


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Pat Diacca Topp asked about fused paperweight
prices.

Your proposed prices are very much in line with
what I pay for wholesale blown paperweights.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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Message text written by Dani Greer:
<Internationally Unknown
Greer Gallery & Studios<

ROTFL

Christie A. Wood
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ROTFL

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Dear Suzanne, Patrick et al..

Bios.....hmm!
Before we arrive at "Z" (for Zwinehund ;-)    ) we still have to go 
through all the "A's", "B's" etc, which.... reminds me...... Albright 
comes loong before.  I assume that Mr. Kelly ALREADY (therefore)
is in full possession of your little epistle.... heh...? Mr. Kelly, 
by the way, has already received half a bio from this little corner, 
but I have still plenty of time before my full turn comes.... 
The original proposal was to release one a week.(Though I suppose it 
could be more, depending how much hassle everybody gives Patrick to 
part with a little something!)
 So we should expect YOURS next WEEK!!!!   :-D
 Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

...whose name could be Anderson, Johansson, Ragnaroek, Zwinehund, 
Pettersson.... It's somewhere in between  ;-> (You'll have to wait & 
see....)

Suzanne wrote:
Dear Getting-Violent Patrick (formerly Roses & Rainbows):

How are you planning on releasing these bios?

If it's alphabetical, we need to know Elisabeth's last name. It could be 
Aardvark, not Zwinehund.






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Hi everyone!
My computer, too, was down and decommissioned for over a week and I just
got it up and running yesterday.  I had so many messages from bungi, but
I did notice quite a few said they'd had computer trouble too at this
time.  We never could figure out what had gone wrong with mine.  Do you
think this was just an unlucky coincidence?
                             Nadine
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>      Nick has been a leader in the stained glass industry since the early
> 1950's. He is the father of the tinfoil method.
> 
>      Gotcha!
>       Susan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Susan and all,
	Thanks for the many replies.  I have done some 
investigating of my own.  And this is my findings.
	Nick of the tinfoil method, is the father of
Nick the teacher of my MIL, and the father of Mark
the beveler.
	I am throwing the towel in on this one, and 
negotiating the $10.00 issue.  Maybe because in some
way we were both right and wrong, we can make the
bet null and void!  Nex time I will not gamble with
so much money!<g>

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Hi Mike and all other,
the pattern are ready now. I think yesterday it was to late
for a work on the PC (Germany time 4,00 in the morning) ;-)



mike peck schrieb:
> Herbert,
>
> I tried the URL from your post to bungi, but it would not work.  Please
> check it and post again.
>
> http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm
>
> Also, I can appreciate that English is not your primary language, but I
> understand you perfectly in your posts.  Thank you for trying to
> communicate with us in a language that is difficult for you.
>
> Mike Peck
>
>
> Herbert Luidolt wrote:
> > 
> > Hello to all,
> > last week i ask if you want maybe a fairy-pattern. And some
> > send me a mail. Now you could load the picture on following
> > Internet address: http:/www.bastelzauber.com/fairy.htm
> > 
> > Please not: the address are not on our main page or other.
> > We want publishing later a Pattern Book. And ties Pattern
> > are one from the Book. In past USA Wholesale want not sale
> > our Books in USA. So i think, ties book to we never sale in USA.
> > 
> > I hope you like the pattern.
> > I could not very good English, but i read the most
> > of the bungi list. I hope you are not bad at me,
> > because i could not writing many in the list.
> > 
> > herbert
> > 
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Thanks to everyone who responded
to the glass shade question.  Handley's
in Buffalo, NY is the place to go.  For =

you information, they are wholesale only
so have your tax or business license =

available even before you can order the
catalog.  The good news is their minimum
order is only $50.  They carry everything
related to lighting.

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
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Okay,
If you are taking a poll, I have not heard of him.
Gloria

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Laurean wrote:
> 
> Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif?
> 
> My MIL learned glass from him, and she
> is telling me he is world famous.  Me
> being skeptical, and her trying to be
> more than what she is, are in disagreement,
> and have $10.00 riding on this.
> 
> Laurean
> 
> ----


nope never heard of him.. what does he do?

---Mike Savad



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 Okay, what is a laser engraver that is operating with the computer.. How does it  operate.
Thanks
Gloria

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Hello Again,

I have the good fortune to be able to use a computer that has a lazer
engraver to etch almost everything. The baby footprint idea is a
wonderful idea. I have taken it one step further, my son and his wife
will celebrate thier first wedding anniversary soon and I have asked her
mother to send me a copy of her birth certificate. I'm going to scan her
right foot  and her left foot, and laser engrave the date of marriage,
and other data. It is great because you can use any font, any photo, any
graphic, etc. I let you all know how it turns out.

BTW (nag, nag, nag,) Bios, input ... input .... input.

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows to all

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Albert,
At about what time will you arrive at Yough.. I am one of the lucky =
bungians that lives in the Yough neighborhood  (45 minutes away, and =
wanting to buy a decent green lampglass) and would like to meet with =
you, and the fun loving bus load of bungians  there..  By the way, will =
you being leading the song "1,000 bottles of beer on the wall" =20
Please leave me know
Gloria=20

-----Original Message-----
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Sent:	Friday, March 06, 1998 8:01 AM
To:	Int'l@daver.bungi.com; Guild@daver.bungi.com; of@daver.bungi.com; =
Glass@daver.bungi.com; Artists@daver.bungi.com
Subject:	IGGA News Memo

THE BUS IS FULL
The bus trip to Youghiogheny Glass, Fallingwater, and Nemacolin =20
Woodlands Resort planned by  Warner-Crivellaro for their Glass=20
Lover's Weekend, departing Allentown on Saturday, April 18th at 5:00=20
a.m. bound for the Youghiogheny Glass Factory in Connellsville,=20
Pennsylvania is fully booked. If you missed this one, you'll be=20
interested to know that they're planning another one for September.=20
We'll keep you posted.

NEW WORK ONLINE
We added even more work to the Architectural Art Glass Light Show=20
this morning ... not a lot, but very nice work by Arthur Stern of=20
California is right at the top of the show at this point. (The images=20
of his work are linked to his web site, which is one of the nicest=20
we've seen -- congrats, Arthur!)

Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the
upper left-hand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on
that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start the show" ... =
simple!)

Remember: the "Back" "Pause" and "Forward" buttons in the upper
right-hand corner of each screen give you complete control. Don't want
to move to the next image? Click on "Pause" and it'll stay there until
you're ready to go. Through looking at that image? Click on "Forward"
and get the next image. Want to move backward to the previous image?
Or the image 5 frames ago? Click on "Back."

Enjoy!

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> At about what time will you arrive at Yough.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to go along on the trip. For your other 
questions, call 1-800-523-4242 or 610-264-1100, extension #128 
and ask for Chris.

Albert

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Hi you all,
just trying to catch up on my mail.. For eyes, I use Australian =
Rhinestones.. For dragons, I use red, for most birds, they are black, =
for the center of flowers, whatever color might apply.. They are nice, =
since they are mirror backed, they reflect most colors in the dark or =
catch a glimmer of light when walking by.. For cat's eyes. might chose a =
peridot  or yellow/amber  and scratch a line on the back, paint it black =
and solder it to the project..=20
Gloria

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Suzanne had several good suggestions on eyes.  I've used paint before,
also, but what I usually use for eyes on my hummingbirds, goldfish, etc.
are little solder blobs that I glue on.  I often have little drops of
solder that dry up with a flat bottom and rounded top that work out
perfectly for eyes.

Steph ~


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Hi. My name is Valerie Spellman and I live in Omaha, Nebraska.  I am new to
the bungi group.  I have been working full time in stained glass for two
years.  This summer I will be participating in my first juried art fair.  I
was wondering if anyone in the group makes their living at art fairs and if
they have
any suggestions for a successful show.
Thanks!
Valerie

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>>I know I am late with this but
>>
>>
>>>> Anyone ever hear of Nick Bogenreif?
>>
>>
>>Never. And ditto to Albert's answer.
>>And what is the tinfoil method.????????????????????
>>And what do you use it for???????  Shake and bake?
>>
>>my best,
>>pj
>>
>>
>>
>>>> 
>>>> My MIL learned glass from him, and she 
>>>> is telling me he is world famous.  Me 
>>>> being skeptical, and her trying to be
>>>> more than what she is, are in disagreement,
>>>> and have $10.00 riding on this.
>>>
>>>World famous? Hmm. I've been involved with the glass world for the 
>>>past 30 years and haven't heard of him, although that doesn't mean he 
>>>doesn't do good work. I show that he lives in Iowa, but other than 
>>>that I don't know anything about him or his work. I realize it's 
>>>incredibly arrogant to assume that if I don't recognize someone's 
>>>name or can immediately visualize his/her work, he/she isn't world 
>>>famous, but there you are. Just call me arrogant. <g>
>>>
>>>On the other hand, I'd *like to know what his work is like, so if you 
>>>talk to him, let him know I'm interested. (Do I get a piece of the 
>>>ten dollars?) <g>
>>>
>>>Albert
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CWWSLW wrote:
> 
> What?!? You've never heard of him? Well, I am really surprised. He is my
> mentor.
>      Nick has been a leader in the stained glass industry since the early
> 1950's. He is the father of the tinfoil method. Using  chewing gum wrappers,
> he has created many a master piece. Works of his may be found in the
> Smithsonian and the like. If standing close enough to a large window that he
> created, you can sometimes hear  radio stations from as far away as Korea.
>      Gotcha!
>       Susan
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Dear Bungians:

A client has commissioned me to create a 3 x 6 foot pannel to be installed in
an exisiting window space of that size.
This panel is to be of aesthetic value only and will not open and close.
The client has proposed the incorporation of a light box to be installed with
the panel so they might enjoy its beauty in the evening hours as well.
I will appreciate any comments from bungians who have taken on this sort of
feat and may be able to assist me.

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K L Winter-Schulz
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Gloria & George wrote:
> 
> Albert,
> At about what time will you arrive at Yough.. I am one of the lucky =
> bungians that lives in the Yough neighborhood  (45 minutes away, and =
> wanting to buy a decent green lampglass) and would like to meet with =
> you, and the fun loving bus load of bungians  there..  By the way, will =
> you being leading the song "1,000 bottles of beer on the wall" =20
> Please leave me know
> Gloria=20
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Don't you mean the song,
"1,000 samples of glass in the hall,
1,000 samples of glass.
You take one down
to pass--it falls down
& breaks to become a pain in the...!"
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About five on my disk and 395 or so to go.

This is as hard as chicken lips or herding cats. Heeeeellllllp. Take
time to send me your bios or I will hex every pattern  you cut to have
many an inside curves.

And always remember:

" All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy .... and Jill a wealthy
widow" - Evan Esar

Has anyone seen Jill. Tell her to call and we'll do lunch.

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows


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In a message dated 98-03-07 21:38:34 EST, Artglaswks@aol.com writes:

<< A client has commissioned me to create a 3 x 6 foot pannel to be installed
in
 an exisiting window space of that size.
 This panel is to be of aesthetic value only and will not open and close.
 The client has proposed the incorporation of a light box to be installed with
 the panel so they might enjoy its beauty in the evening hours as well.
 I will appreciate any comments from bungians who have taken on this sort of
 feat and may be able to assist me.
  >>

What about just installing an outside light that can be turned on at night and
shine through the window so it can be illuminated at night?  Just a
thought.........
Diane
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Message text written by "Valerie Spellman"
>This summer I will be participating in my first juried art fair.  I
was wondering if anyone in the group makes their living at art fairs and =
if
they have
any suggestions for a successful show.<

How to survive your first juried art fair:
- Make a list of what you will need to take with you to
the art fair.  Here's my partial list:

Artwork:        panels, suncatchers, mirrors, boxes, lamps, lampbases,
jewelry
misc.:  suction hooks, display stands, jewelry stands

Supplies
legal papers, signage, business cards, sales/order book, MC/VISA stuff,
photo book,
pattern books (opt.), gift certificates,  newspaper reprints, calculator,=

$$$ & change,
black & red pens & paper,  pricing stickers, bags & bubble wrap, glass
cleaner &
cloth, camera & film

Comforts
water, soda, cooler, lunch, snacks, something to do (read), boombox & CDs=

(if allowed)
show clothes & set-up/tear-down clothes
Outdoors: umbrella, sunglasses & sunscreen

Setup
display unit, furniture polish & cloth, folding chair, table cloth for
hiding
wrapping supplies & bags, chain, (2) needle-nose pliers, regular pliers,
rubber mallet,
fishing line, scissors, hanging hooks, re-inforced tape
Indoor setup: track lights, (6) 50 watt bulbs, track lighting hardware,
extension chords, (2)
switches, power strip

I'm sure I've forgotten something, but others will fill it in.  Good luck=
=2E
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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I have just found what the world of glass is coming to.


Check out

http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/profile.html

After this I think I need a cup of coffee.

my best,
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Hello,
I'm trying to find out how mirrors are made. (Curiosity was spiked when
a decorative wall mirror I have broke). Is silvering, as described in 
Mickey's formulae, the process that produces a mirror? Can mirrors be
produced only by complex industrial processes? (I've been experiementing
with silver spray on glass and silver leaf behind glass which produce a 
poor reflection).

Regards,
Catherine Odlum
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I can add some selling techniques.....

If your items run the gamut of prices from under $10.00 to a few hundred or
more, be PREPARED to offer a "gift " (cheap) to a wavering large
spender....people will spend a lot of money to get something for "free".

Some of the shows get people who wait out the last day to "negotiate" a
better price as they think you do not want to pack it up and take it
home....if you get that feeling, joking suggest that the last day may be
even higher, as it did not sell at a lower price. Play with the public, if
you have not sold a piece, what is there to loose.

Whenever possible, get a deposit, and if they change their mind (not long
term) return the deposit.
If it is a fast moving item and you have a lot of them, mark sold on one or
two, people are usually more comfortable when their choices are re-inforced
by others doing the same thing (buying the same type item).

More later as I have a ceramic tile job to do.

enjoy, H

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Christie wrote:
> I'm sure I've forgotten something, but others will fill it in.  

Though it has been a few years since I've done shows,
Christi's list looks great.  The only other thing I would
add is a guestbook.  This can be an invaluable tool for
future announcements and sales.

Be sure to have (and give away) a hefty supply of business
cards.  One of my last  multi-thousand dollar jobs stemmed
from an overheard conversation in a restaurant and a
tattered business card from a show years ago.  Although I'm
sure others have different experiences, business cards have
probably been my single biggest generator of commissioned
sales.

Good luck and have fun, Valerie! :)

Shirley Suter
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> I have just found what the world of glass is coming to.

pj,

The phrases in the text ("This is an insired art object and not to be 
taken seriously as a real tool. ... Paramount to all of its 
outstanding features, the Electronic Cordless Glass Cutter never 
wares out" should have tipped you off to the fact that it's a 
knee-slapper. <g> We posted this to bungi a few weeks ago and even 
included it on the "New Products" page at stainedglassbiz.com for a 
minute or two (okay, it was a day or so).

Something makes me think it's a Dan Fenton Production, particularly 
since there's a mention of *fish! (He's a madman when it comes to 
fishing.)



Albert

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In a message dated 98-03-08 16:39:36 EST, artglass@water.waterw.com writes:

<< I have just found what the world of glass is coming to.
 
 
 Check out
 
 http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/profile.html
 
 After this I think I need a cup of coffee.
 
 my best,
 pj >>

Hi pj,

You did notice that it says that the item is an art object and not functional,
didn't you?  Even so, I still think it's pretty goofy too.

Susie......whose glass cutter is already cordless, thank you very much!
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C Odlum wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I'm trying to find out how mirrors are made. (Curiosity was spiked when
> a decorative wall mirror I have broke). Is silvering, as described in
> Mickey's formulae, the process that produces a mirror? Can mirrors be
> produced only by complex industrial processes? (I've been experiementing
> with silver spray on glass and silver leaf behind glass which produce a
> poor reflection).
> 
> Regards,
> Catherine Odlum
> ----


from what i've seen on tv you need to have a very clean piece of clear
glass. de-ionized water, which i believe is charged with electrons. then
the silver is deposited on the glass by an electroplate process. but the
guy was talking fast, so that may not be the most accurate in the world.

---Mike Savad

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 <A HREF="http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/index.html">Knee Deep Inc. Home Page
</A> 

I don't know if this link will work on this type of list, but I'm giving it a
shot.  If it doesn't the URL is:
http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/index.html
The Electronic Cutter is pictured, as well as, Yepper Fish.

Lu Ann <Whispy Blu@aol.com>
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To Paul Wallace, Bumblebee Stained Glass in Caldwell, Ohio
I lost your address.  Please e-mail tuka@bc.sympatico.ca
Thanks
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Scanning Christie's list over quickly, I noticed she forgot to mention the
following:

*** your portfolio *** pattern books are ok, but they don't show what YOU
are capable of.

I always take one or 2 large commissions that I haven't yet installed to
highlight as show stoppers.  Take commissions that are truly representative
of the style of glass you enjoy doing most...make sure the designs are
original.  Even if these pieces are going to be permanently installed,
solder some hooks on temporarily...you can remove them later.  Put SOLD on
it, and the price...generates lots of interest, particularly if it's an
unusual technique.  I have landed several repeat clients this way...

I also have a plastic tool box that is always kept stocked and ready to go
with all the tools, odds and ends that Christy mentioned.

As for something to read, I would say NOT.  Remember, you're not just as the
show to sell in the moment, you're there to make contacts for future sales.
So schmooze your little heart out...someone may be looking for a specific
item that you could land as a custom order...or you can get an idea about
what might be a hot seller for future shows.  If it's not busy, talk to
other artists around you...you can learn lots about when the best shows are
for the following year if you're going to take this up as a serious
marketing route.

Be sure and take down names, numbers of anyone who expresses interest (I
usually jot down a couple of notes too as soon as they leave).  Be sure and
follow up with a phone call within 1 month of the show.  The notes are
important...that way you can say "Hi Mrs. Smith, we were talking last month
at the XXX Art Show about the prairie style cabinet doors...if I remember
correctly, you were wanting some purple glass in them to match your... (This
kind of "memory" impresses the hell out of prospective clients) and it's
important in dealing with high end clients.  Depending on the show and its
history you have a good chance of hooking up with high end folk at juried shows.

Good luck

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative

(who is using select high end shows to build a custom clientele)

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HI Susie,

I did know it was an art object.  

Just wanted to pass it on.

my best,
pj


< did notice that it says that the item is an art object and not functional,
>didn't you?  Even so, I still think it's pretty goofy too.
>
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Hi again everyone.
    I have just gotten back on the list.
I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
frustrating.
Thanks,
            Melissa

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I was watching A&E's American Castles.  They showed this mansion built
by a coal heiress/widow(wasn't really watching, just listening and
looking up now and then). I am sure Albert knows where it is(don't you
Albert?).  It got my attention when they showed 3 windows done by
Tiffany.  They are valued now at over 5 million dollars.  The home
overlooks the Youghiogheny River.  It was great to hear someone
pronounce that word with ease.  The windows were out of this world and
are considered amoung Tiffany's best work.
It is a museum now.  The care and detail and workmanship in each room,
is enough to make you drool.  Tiffany's windows are a bonus.
Shame you guys going on the bus trip, couldn't take a detour.
Oh well next times A&E airs America's Castles you can see them.
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 In a message dated 98-03-08 20:48:11 EST, you write:
 
 << 
  As for something to read, I would say NOT.  Remember, you're not just as the
  show to sell in the moment, you're there to make contacts for future sales.
  So schmooze your little heart out...someone may be looking for a specific
  item that you could land as a custom order...or you can get an idea about
  what might be a hot seller for future shows.  >>
 
 
 Hi, 
 
 I've been lurking for a few weeks and have been learning some useful things
about glass. Thanks.
 
 I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and
being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait
to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but
I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little
detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask.
 
  
 Dianne
 

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Hi all,

	I've really enjoyed reading this thread.  I don't have any plans
for ever doing shows, but I've found the topic very interesting.  I guess
you never know.  Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is?  I
don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term
and have no clue what it means?  Does someone judge what will be in the
show?

Thanks,
Jerri



<Big Snip>

 Depending on the show and its
>history you have a good chance of hooking up with high end folk at 
>juried shows.
>
>Good luck
>
>Carol Swann
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I hate to pop your bubble... but as a stained glasser and an electrician
by trade.  It is 100% possible for the power in her outlet to run at "half
mast"  or anything in between.  I think you should have the iron and the
power both checked out!  It could save the fire department a trip to your
house.  

Don....

On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, DMR74 wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-04 12:57:44 EST, you write:
> 
> > Electrical outlets either work or
> >  they don't work. (they don't run at half mast)
> this isn't entirely true,  I don't know all the technical aspects of it but I
> do know that if you run say a refrigerator or an airconditioner off of an
> extension cord you will get less something, voltage?, and you will burn up the
> motor.
> deb
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Melissa Thaxton wrote:
> 
> Hi again everyone.
>     I have just gotten back on the list.
> I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
> a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
> comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
> my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
> especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
> frustrating.
> Thanks,
>             Melissa
> 
> ----


do what i do: look through books and pictures of buildings and
architecture, for more intresting shapes. or if you want somthing more
simple, look through your shells, rocks, bevels, drapery glass, etc for
an insert. or for a medium box, make it simple, but make a 5 piece lid,
and insert a tray (like my pink boxes).

or look it up online, there are quite a few other people that have boxes
online. like my site. :)

---Mike Savad



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Dianne,

I, too hate it when a shop owner or booth owner hovers over me and
explains every detail...makes me feel like I'm going to steal or have
no idea what I'm looking at or I don't have enough inteligence to
understand why the object costs.  But I also hate it when I have a
question about something and have to interrupt someone's reading or
working to ask it.

Don M. McDonald
Director, Web Services
Chesapeake Communications Corporation

>>> P D RUSS <PDRUSS@aol.com> 03/09 1:09 AM >>>

 I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular
shop and
being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just
can't wait
to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for
sale but
I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every
little
detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask.
 
  
 Dianne
 

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jerri m Roey wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>         I've really enjoyed reading this thread.  I don't have any plans
> for ever doing shows, but I've found the topic very interesting.  I guess
> you never know.  Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is?  I
> don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term
> and have no clue what it means?  Does someone judge what will be in the
> show?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerri
> 
> <Big Snip>
> 
>  Depending on the show and its
> >history you have a good chance of hooking up with high end folk at
> >juried shows.
> >
> >Good luck
> >
> >Carol Swann
> >Synergy Glass & Creative


a juried show is a show that you can sell your items, but may also get a
prize for entering something nice. i'm pretty sure you have to pay to
get in (as the artist). it's like an artshow (with paintings and the
like), where your competing and selling. 

a normal craft show, you sell stuff, but the only prize is the booty you
get to bring home with you at the end of the day. (you can fill in your
own definition of booty).

---Mike Savad

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Melissa,
try to sit back and enjoy a bunch of pattern books and stainglass catologs,
after a time you will find things that you want to do.  I do this only because
my shop is across the field in my office and I only go there in the am so at
nite I study the patterns.
deb
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Melissa :  I know EXACTLY what you have. A friend calls it "drop-arse" I am
suffering from a bad case of it right now! I can tell you that it is not
fatal, and my personal solution is to sit right down and read several of the
books that have been waiting my attention for a couple of months now. With
any luck at all the feeling will pass fairly soon and I can get back to all
the glass stuff that is waiting me.
Linda 
 At 07:10 PM 8/3/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi again everyone.
>    I have just gotten back on the list.
>I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
>a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
>comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
>my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
>especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
>frustrating.
>Thanks,
>            Melissa
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In a message dated 98-03-09 09:20:40 EST, jroey@juno.com writes:

<< Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is?  I
 don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term
 and have no clue what it means?  Does someone judge what will be in the
 show? 

Hello Jerri,
   A "juried show" just means that you are asked to send in pictures or slides
of your work that are viewed by a committe who will decide which applications
are accepted for entrance in the show.  In other non-juried shows many times a
photo is requested, and in other shows anyone who applys while there is still
space to be had, is accepted.  The overall quality of the works displayed
tends to be  higher in the juried shows because of the stricter entrance
requirements  ~Alison~
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Hi Diane,

You have to realize that at an art fair the only time the artist has to get
you to
purchase (and that is the main reason they are there) is to approach you as
soon as you enter their space.  Most artists enjoy telling stories of how
they do what they do and where their inspiration comes from.  And to be
honest most people who attend craft or art shows are there because they
enjoy art and socializing with artists.  
And hearing those stories.

The problem with not approaching people when they enter your booth at a show is
they will think you are disinterested in them and your own work.

Selling Art at craft and art shows is an "art" in itself.  You have to
really be able to read
people.  And most of the time its like being on stage for one or two days at
a time and
some shows even more.  Thats why the recovery period is so long <BG>.

Maybe if when you approached the artist or shop that you want to browse in
just let them know you are looking and will let them know if there is
anything they can help you with.

I understand the feeling of pressure you get when someone is hovering over you
the whole time.  

But there are diplomatic ways to get around it without hurting anyone's
feelings.


my best,
pj ( who is grateful that her show days are over!!!!)

> 
> I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and
>being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait
>to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but
>I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little
>detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask.
> 
>  
> Dianne
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In a message dated 98-03-08 22:49:58 EST, mthaxton@softcom.net writes:

<<  have just gotten back on the list.
 I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
 a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
 comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
 my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
 especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
 frustrating.
 Thanks,
             Melissa >>

Gee Melissa, I dont realy blame you for not wanting to work in a cold work
area. I think the first thing is to make your work area as comfortable and
inviteing as possible.  I have a stereo system on a shelf above my work area
(a gift form my hubby who does glass too)  To help feel inspired I just listen
to some really good music that I love and enjoy, and its easier to work
happily away.  Maybe choosing some glass that excites you and working on a new
version of one of your box designs would get you started.....then even a radio
and a space heater (temporary while you work) could help make that work area
more inviteing. ~Alison~
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>I have a big problem with going to an art fair or even a regular shop and
>being "schmoozed" by the owner. It gives me the creeps and I just can't wait
>to get out of their shop. They may have the most wonderful things for sale but
>I can't stand having someone standing over me and explaining every little
>detail of an object to me. If I'm interested, I'll ask.

Diane, I know what you mean...and nothign sends me out of a store faster
than what you describe. I'm glad you wrote back...I'd hate to have anyone
think that's what I'm advocating. <CR (that's my abbreviation for cringe)>

Actually, that's NOT how I schmooze...I don't even like the word but don't
know what else to call it.  Basically, I engage people in conversation...and
LISTEN MORE THAN I TALK.  We often don't even talk about my glass...I ask
questions about what drew them into the booth...often they're thinking about
having a window done but don't know how to describe it.  I help them clarify
their ideas, compliment them on their taste (after all, they're in MY booth
<BG>), ask them where they're from, etc.  People love to talk about
themselves, and it's a great way to get feedback...if enough people say I'm
looking for a widget in glass, maybe you should build some widgets for your
next show.  This is called market research. Listen to your potential
customers.  

Last show I did, a sweet older lady in her 70s ended up telling me all about
the bed her husband built her when they were married...that was her
touchpoint to art...the appreciation of the time, energy and love that went
into his woodworking.  No, I didn't sell her anything this time, but she has
my card, knows where my store is and she may buy a gift for someone in the
future.

That's what I call schmoozing...I rarely go all technical about my work, and
I always ask first before I show someone a variety of items they might be
interested in.  There are times when that's appropriate and they'll let you
know if that's what they want.

Guess I developed this out of the fact I hate being sold to, plus the fact
that glass is a solitary occupation and it's a chance to get out into the
real world for a couple of days.

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative

(who is looking forward to warmer weather when she can move to her outdoor
studio instead of looking through a window at the rain)


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Seriously Melissa--
It's a problem we all have at one time or another.  Why don't you check your
work space - see if it needs tidying, re-organizing, whatever.  Make
yourself something - we so rarely take the time to do something for
ourselves.  Make a little fairy to hang in the window for good luck, or make
a little flower to remind you that spring is really coming.  Sometimes just
the simple act of getting the cutter out and making that first score will be
enough to get the creative juices flowing again. Mine arn't flowing yet, but
I know it will happen soon.
Linda 
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Juried fairs are when a group of "knowledgeable" persons look at work to see
if it acceptable to be sold.

I ask for the "jury's" credentials, so I know what skill they have in
evaluating a shade/s that may start at a modest price of $3,000 and go to
$9,000.

I enjoy "tweaking" the establishment and reminding some galleries, that but
for consigning artists being exploited in subtle ways, they may as well fry
"burgers" instead of appropriating art to be sold and paid for in as long a
delay as possible.........I have culled out my galleries to only ones who
are WILLING and do own my work, are not corporate entities, and if I show up
after hours, can I find an owner, and also have "been there". I did not
start out  with that much clout, but a lot of years, not being desperate,
and a "quality" product, and the knowledge of same, a large ego, an abrasive
attitude when necessary, and some negotiating skill has allowed me to get to
this point. WITH MY NAME AND $2.00, I CAN "BUY" COFFEE!!!!!
I have tried to get coffee without money, did not work! That is what my
"name" is worth.

enjoy, Time to go and volunteer at the aquarium, and visit Keiko (AKA Free
Wily).

H

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Actually, I like to talk to the artist at the booths in the artfairs.  Even if
I am not buying anything I enjoy looking at their work, and try to tell them
that.   I cannot afford many of the items I see, probably like most people.  I
just feel that creativity and imagination are wonderful gifts...so I tell the
artist how much I appreciate their work.  Someday I might be in the position
to purchase a wonderful piece of art that I have admired for sometime, you
never know.

Maureen
(who wouldn't have enough walls, shelves and floorspace for it all)
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In a message dated 98-03-09 12:16:29 EST, you write:

<< 
 Maybe if when you approached the artist or shop that you want to browse in
 just let them know you are looking and will let them know if there is
 anything they can help you with.
  >>


This past Sunday my husband and I drove 3 hours to visit a shop we had heard
about for the past 2 years. We got there before they opened and sat out front
waiting for it to open, we were so excited about being there. 

But 5 minutes after we got there, we left. When the saleslady came over and
asked to help us, we said we were just looking. But she kept following us
around and pointing out things that were on sale and telling us the story
behind every item. Even my husband who loves to talk to folks admitted later
that he couldn't wait to get out of there. 

It's not just women who do this, I've had men do the same thing to me. When
the artist stands there and tells me how many hours it took them to make this
or that, or that they are the only ones practicing this lost art and that is
why it's the price it is. I have never question an artist about price because
I do know that lots of time and energy go into every art object but I just
hate the feeling that if I don't buy this art somehow I'm betraying some
unknown artist code.

I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not
interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't
hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you
inquisitively, chat your little heart out. 

We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it. 

Sorry, just my 2 cents worth. 

Back to lurking,
Dianne


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Usually you send photos of your product. Occasionaly they want to see
photos of your booth display.  And on rare occasions they want to see it
in person. The main idea is to grauntee quality, but ususally to avoid
duplication.  All shows have deadlines.  The good ones have deadlines 8
months in advance.  They usually jury all applicants at once.  Then they
let you know if you have been accepted.  Some want money with the
application.  Some want the show fee after you have been accepted.  Some
charge a fee, just to be juried.
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In a message dated 98-03-09 12:35:53 EST, you write:

<< 
 Actually, that's NOT how I schmooze...I don't even like the word but don't
 know what else to call it.  Basically, I engage people in conversation...and
 LISTEN MORE THAN I TALK.  We often don't even talk about my glass.. >>

Hi Carol,

This sounds fine to me. I would enjoy your booth/shop.

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We've added another 25-30 works in glass to the online Architectural 
Art Glass Light Show again ... and now there's something ever nicer: 
you can go to the sorted index instead of just watching the show 
unfold, you can see only the work with beveled glass in it ... or 
only church windows ... or (well, you get the idea).

Go to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Artists" in the
upper lefthand corner. You'll see "Light Show" pop up ... click on
that and follow the directions. ("Click here to start the show" or 
"Click here to open the index of entries" ... simple!)

Enjoy!

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Shirley, 

The mansion you are referring to is called Linden Hall.  It was owned by
the Cochran Family and after the deaths of her husband and only son, Sarah
Cochran traveled extensively in Europe, returning with the best of the
best.  Italian marble for the fireplace, leaded windows for the sun room
and the beautiful Tiffany windows on the second floor.

The three windows you described are L. C. Tiffany windows and were
commissioned for $12,000.  It is in my opinion, some of Tiffany's finest
work.  They are a recreation of the scenery of the land if you looked out
that particular window.

Albert, I was going to forward to you some pictures of this beautfiul glass
this week.  The next trip to Youghiogheny Glass needs to add this as a stop
on the tour - it is within a 1/2 hour drive.  If you like, I can obtain
information as far as tour times and dates.  I have visited the house many
times and it is breathtaking!  Not a place to miss.  

Mary Ann Dulemba

 you wrote:
>I was watching A&E's American Castles... The home
>overlooks the Youghiogheny River.  

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 There are people at shows who don't want to talk, and those who do.
If they don't make eye contact, they probably don't.  We just say,
"Be sure to ask if you have any questions."  There are others who
do want to talk...and an occasional older person who is really starved
for conversation (at times like that I'm glad there are two of us in
the booth.)  My husband, in particular, can talk your ear off about
our glass.
Dorothy

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Melissa Thaxton wrote:
> 
> Hi again everyone.
>     I have just gotten back on the list.
> I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
> a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
> comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
> my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
> especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
> frustrating.
> Thanks,
>             Melissa


Melissa,

I've been so incredibly busy this winter working on commission jobs that
I really haven't had any time to myself ..... until yesterday.  Our hot
water heater went out last week, so I put all day Sunday aside so I
could put in a new one.  I've never done a hot water heater before, but
had some advise from a good friend, and I've done lots a home
improvement stuff, so ........   Well, as it turned out, it was a snap
..... took about 2 hours, and works like a charm! 

So, now I have the whole afternoon to myself ....... my daughter had a
girl scout thing so was out for the day, and my wife was off to work
....... and it started snowing (hard!) in the Kansas City metro area. 
So, I put on a pot of coffee, watched a little of the NCAA tournament on
TV ...... then picked up the Kansas City Star ..... Arts & Entertainment
section ...... and there was this incredible article about a
photographer at the turn of the century that had photographed native
Americans in their natural habitat.  Of course, the photos were all
black and white tin types, but the features on the faces, the flow of
the garments and accessories in their hair ...... and there was a larger
photo (dated 1899) of a Sioux chief by the name of Yellow Shirt that was
exceptionally detailed.  I remembered that someone on bungi a few months
ago was asking about an Indian Chief pattern and the next thing I knew
was I was sitting down with pencil and scratch pad and blazing away! 
Well, it was a very relaxing afternoon ..... I drew Yellow Shirt out for
stained glass.  I've already got a lot of ideas about glass, mostly
Uroboros and Bullseye, but realisticaly don't know when I'll get the
time to do it. 

So, when I get into a creative slump, I just put in a hot water heater
.....

Mike Peck
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>Melissa Thaxton wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again everyone.
>>     I have just gotten back on the list.
>> I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
>> a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
>> comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
>> my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
>> especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
>> frustrating.
>> Thanks,
>>             Melissa

The last series of boxes I made, the inspiration came from a panel.  I took
only a 6x8" rectangle out of the center of the panel and made it into the
box top.  I used the colors that I had used from a previous project that I
already knew "worked" together.  When I was finished it seemed like I
hadn't put any effort into it at all.

Results of this box can be seen at my web page at:

http://www.bright.net/~joyce

Garden of Glass
Joyce Moran
Ohio

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In a message dated 98-03-09 09:20:28 EST, you write:

<< Would someone please explain what a "juried show" is?  I
 don't know much about art fairs or craft fairs, but I've heard that term
 and have no clue what it means?  Does someone judge what will be in the
 show? >>

Hi Jerry & fellow bungians!!

Around here (Indiana) a juried show is one that an application has to be
completed for and pictures of your work have to be sent in with the
application.  The sponsors then go through all applications and decide who
gets in and who doesn't.  There are certain guidelines that have to be
followed, such as, it must be handcrafted and not factory made.  I don't know
all the factors that each sponsor may look at, but I do know that first they
want to fill the space, and then secondly with the biggest variety of
crafts/art that they can find.  The one great thing I have found is if there
is more than one stained glass person, they are not put close to each other.
I know they do not want 30 glass booths and only 1 basket booth.  Also, there
is no guarantee that if you are selected for a show in 1998 that you will
necessarily be selected the next year.  There is always a booth space fee.
Some places can provide tables and others can't.  Sometimes electrical outlets
are available and sometimes they are not.
Typically the vendor is ask if they would like to donate an item for drawings
that take place throughout the day.  Whatever money you make is yours.  

I hope this helps, but I hope it also wasn't more than you ever wanted to know
:)).

Lu Ann <Whispy Blu@aol.com>
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Would anyone have or know where I could find a pattern with hands.  My
friend is graduating from Massage Therapy School and I would love to make
her a panel that she could use.  ( I don't draw very well so I'll do that
as a last resort)

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P D RUSS wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-09 12:16:29 EST, you write:
> 
> <<
>  Maybe if when you approached the artist or shop that you want to browse in
>  just let them know you are looking and will let them know if there is
>  anything they can help you with.
>   >>
> 
> This past Sunday my husband and I drove 3 hours to visit a shop we had heard
> about for the past 2 years. We got there before they opened and sat out front
> waiting for it to open, we were so excited about being there.
> 
> But 5 minutes after we got there, we left. When the saleslady came over and
> asked to help us, we said we were just looking. But she kept following us
> around and pointing out things that were on sale and telling us the story
> behind every item. Even my husband who loves to talk to folks admitted later
> that he couldn't wait to get out of there.
> 
> It's not just women who do this, I've had men do the same thing to me. When
> the artist stands there and tells me how many hours it took them to make this
> or that, or that they are the only ones practicing this lost art and that is
> why it's the price it is. I have never question an artist about price because
> I do know that lots of time and energy go into every art object but I just
> hate the feeling that if I don't buy this art somehow I'm betraying some
> unknown artist code.
> 
> I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not
> interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't
> hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you
> inquisitively, chat your little heart out.
> 
> We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it.
> 
> Sorry, just my 2 cents worth.
> 
> Back to lurking,
> Dianne
> 
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i know when i go to talk to the artist, i usually mention that i do
stained glass. they'll usually talk to me, but they don't have to go
into their shpiel. i never liked the people behind the counter "eyeing"
me. the best way for them to look is to not look, just out of the corner
of their eye is best for me. 

---Mike Savad


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Melissa, I was just thinking... How about a series of boxes designed
like seashells? Have you ever seen what a nautilus shell looks like when
it's split-cut? It's full of these mother-of-pearl chambers inside. You
could do the outside of the box to look like either a flat OR more
rounded (sculptural) representation of the extior of a nautilus shell,
and make a tray for the inside that would have these little spaces (for
trinkets) swirling smaller to a small round center space. A conch shell,
a sea scallop, and so on, etc..
I'll come up with some more in another day or two.
V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
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> In a message dated 98-03-08 22:49:58 EST, mthaxton@softcom.net writes:
> 
>  have just gotten back on the list.
>  I was wondering what you guys do when you just don't have a spark to do
>  a project in glass.  It's been cold here and it's hard to stay
>  comfortable in the garage.  My problem is that I have to make a box for
>  my husbands aunt by April and I am lost...nothing zippo.  I am
>  especially good with boxes, when I am inspired.  Ugh!  This is
>  frustrating.
>  Thanks,
>              Melissa
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Geeze I thought it was just my mind that stopped.  Actually my dad died last
April and I relocated up to my parents' house to stay with my mother, who has
health problems.  I setup my shop in his garage, on his workbenches with his
tools still hangin on the pegboard in front of me.  For months I just walked
in, looked around and walked out.  Then I began "reorganizing" my stuff, and
little by little the desire to work in there overcame my own sadness.  I can't
offer any suggestions, but the tidyin up was helpful (my stuff was already
neatly organized from the move)....

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> Check out
> 
> http://www.ipbnet.com/kneedeep/profile.html
> 
Hey, pj,

I laughed myself sick on this Web Site. Did you check out the sale and
new items being offered!!

Still laughing,
Hilary
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In a message dated 98-03-09 19:01:37 EST, morn@nac.net writes:

<<  I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously
not
 > interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please
don't
 > hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at
you
 > inquisitively, chat your little heart out.
 > 
 > We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it.
 >  >>

Hello Dianne,
       Wow, and there you were with $300 burning a hole in your pocket !!
Now I know that if I ever open a shop I am going to post a sign near the
entrance that says something like this, LOL ------------>
       "Please tell me your preference upon visiting my shop....do you want me
to sing,  dance, turn you up-side down, and shake the money out of your
pockets? Or should I just leave you alone to peacefully brouse and enjoy the
beauty of all  my wonderful things decideing which one "you cant live without"
on your own?"
       LOL...think it would work?  I sure had some fun thinking it up, thanks
for your story. I'll try to come up with a better imaginary sign...but I feel
that way sometimes when I am doing a show.  
                                      ~Alison~
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<<Results of this box can be seen at my web page at:

http://www.bright.net/~joyce>>

Joyce, 
       I just visited your web site and have to tell both you and the folks on
Bungi that your work is lovely !!  How long have you been doing stained glass?
I was so taken by the pictures that i forgot to read the text at your web page
! ~Alison~
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If you can use them I have numerous hands in graphics which can easily be
modified to be used in the patterns.

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows

Caren J Price wrote:

> Would anyone have or know where I could find a pattern with hands.  My
> friend is graduating from Massage Therapy School and I would love to make
> her a panel that she could use.  ( I don't draw very well so I'll do that
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> Albert, I was going to forward to you some pictures of this beautfiul glass
> this week.  The next trip to Youghiogheny Glass needs to add this as a stop
> on the tour - it is within a 1/2 hour drive.  If you like, I can obtain
> information as far as tour times and dates.  I have visited the house many
> times and it is breathtaking!  Not a place to miss.

Sure, I'd like to see them.

Albert

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>  Actually, that's NOT how I schmooze...I don't even like the word 

It's a perfectly good Yiddish word that, like the German word 
"gemutlich," has no perfect substitute in any other language, let 
alone English. <s>

Albert

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Over the weekend we had a stall at a craft fair, our first 
one and an experiance we are keen not to repeat. Although
we were told the fair was a good one and it was in one of
the wealthier parts of London it was much smaller than
expected. The other stall holders consisted of:- a cake stall,
a fudge stall, two bric-a-brac stalls one of which dignified
itself an an antique stall, a second hand book stall and a
card stall selling mass produced birthday cards.

In Coventry and the surrounding area there are no good craft 
fairs except one at the National Exhibition Center which
costs an assortment of limbs to enter, so the question is;
can anybody recommend good craft fairs in the rest of the U.K.?
Also, are there any juried craft fairs or shows in the U.K. 
(other then the Chelsea Craft Fair)

As our two favorite galleries have gone into liquidation in 
the last month we need to find other outlets for our creative
urges so would appreciate any info that you can pass on,

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Mike Simpson.

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Well Dianne and Alison,

Hmm.... might work!
I have a sign by my front door that says:

"Never mind the dog, beware of the Owner!"

How about something along those lines...( substituting the dog, of 
course ;-)   ).
Or:
"My Mummy taught me never to speak unless spoken to..."
Just a thought....

Alison wrote:
       "Please tell me your preference upon visiting my 
shop....do you want me to sing,  dance, turn you up-side down, and 
shake the money out of your pockets? Or should I just leave you alone 
to peacefully brouse and enjoy the beauty of all  my wonderful things 
decideing which one "you cant live without" on your own?"
   

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Dear Dianne et al,

What you say, makes sense.
It's a fine line between being helpful, informative and pushy and 
"hounding".
Certain skills in psychology are  needed in "reading" people, trying 
to determine who needs what.
I have occasionally come across the not-so-infrequent client  who 
feels s/he hasn't got value for money unless your entire soul has 
been presented to them in a minced form on a silver platter as part 
of the price they have paid for "their" stained glass. On the other 
end of the scale you have the customer who only buys because of 
"one-upmanship", paying the money OK, but scarcely looking at what 
they have actually commissioned.  For the last couple of years I have 
myself not participated in any exhibitions or show, simply because  I 
have so much backlog to work through. But I have frequently visited 
exhibitions as a spectator and to look at new ways of displaying. 
When I come to a stained glass artisan's display and I really like 
it, I first tell them that I do like their work (and why). In my next 
breath I also tell them that I too work professionally in stained 
glass, but that my "style" is different. First of all this relaxes 
them (don't have to preach to the converted) and secondly they don't 
feel threatened that I am prowling to steal their ideas/designs etc. 
I always end up having a wonderful animated conversation with nuggets 
being offered to me, as well as the odd one that I have to give 
myself. Mind you, shows and exhibitions here in UK that includes 
quality stained glass happen once in a blue moon, once or twice a 
year.....?
In my "industrial days" I was often required to attend International 
Trade Fairs all over Europe, lasting 1-2-3 weeks, with governments, 
Universities  etc looking for mega-bucks contracts & deals. A good 
exhibition-stand etiquette and manners were absolutely crucial.
Looking bored, solving a cross-word puzzle, reading the paper/a book, 
drinking coffee etc  when "on parade" was totally out of the 
question.
Even sitting down was discouraged. 
A discreet , interested, respectful omni-presence with appropriate 
body-language was what was required, with authoritative verbal 
language, with specific arrangements for one-to-one negotiating.

Rather than taking a book to read, why not prepare small projects for 
demonstration purposes. A copperfoil-project displayed "in stages",
with you working/demonstrating on the "final" (or penultimate") 
stage, as well as a couple of pieces of the finished project all 
cleaned up, displayed and a price-tag on it - for sale. So that the 
punter can actually proudly assert at home "I ACTUALLY   S A W her 
making this one!" A bit of a kudos!
.... and for you.... it will keep the boredom factor at bay.....
Not only that, but punters are always attracted to a 
stand/display/booth where something is HAPPENING!
Hope I am not "teaching grandma' to suck eggs" here....
Good Luck!
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

Dianne wrote in response to exhibition/shows etc approach (which - of 
course - also includes the approach shop-keepers adopt when customers 
walk in through the door):

This past Sunday my husband and I drove 3 hours to visit a shop we had heard
about for the past 2 years. We got there before they opened and sat out front
waiting for it to open, we were so excited about being there. 

But 5 minutes after we got there, we left. When the saleslady came over and
asked to help us, we said we were just looking. But she kept following us
around and pointing out things that were on sale and telling us the story
behind every item. Even my husband who loves to talk to folks admitted later
that he couldn't wait to get out of there. 

It's not just women who do this, I've had men do the same thing to me. When
the artist stands there and tells me how many hours it took them to make this
or that, or that they are the only ones practicing this lost art and that is
why it's the price it is. I have never question an artist about price because
I do know that lots of time and energy go into every art object but I just
hate the feeling that if I don't buy this art somehow I'm betraying some
unknown artist code.

I'm not saying "Don't talk to your customers," but when they are obviously not
interested in the life story of every object in your booth/shop, please don't
hound them. By all means if the customer is asking questions or looking at you
inquisitively, chat your little heart out. 

We had over $300 to spend yesterday but the pushy saleslady got none of it. 

Sorry, just my 2 cents worth. 

Back to lurking,

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Joyce, 	Your webpage has sure inspired me... I love your choice of colors
and the box is beautiful.  I like the butterfly one very much as well.

Barbara

>The last series of boxes I made, the inspiration came from a panel.  I took
>only a 6x8" rectangle out of the center of the panel and made it into the
>box top.  I used the colors that I had used from a previous project that I
>already knew "worked" together.  When I was finished it seemed like I
>hadn't put any effort into it at all.
>
>Results of this box can be seen at my web page at:
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>http://www.bright.net/~joyce
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>Garden of Glass
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Good Morning All...
	I have planned a trip to W-C in Allentown for March 17th... my first trip
and I looking forward to it.  
	Just went through all of my saved glass mail to look for the driving
directions... but I must have deleted them.  
	I would really appreciate anyone that knows the way from the Turnpike or
476... repeating the directions for me.
	Thanks for your help.

Barbara Snell
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Wow, didn't realize there was such an interest in Indian patterns .....
I have posted the pattern at the back of my website.  Check it out at:

http://www.summitstudio.com/page11.html

If you can't print it out, send me a SASE and I'll put a copy in the
mail, no charge.

Hope it works out for you, and if you do decide to do it, I hope you'll
consider supporting your local retailer for your supplies.

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I checked out the new site!  I am on the waitlist for the specials!

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Hi guys,

I tried to pull up the pattern too and received a message that an error had
occured in the format.  Sincerely,  Irene Mermelstein
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> Okay, Mr. Semantics <BG>...it's the connotations of the word I don't
> like...you know the cocktail party image.  And now I know why I can't find a
> suitable replacement.  Have a good one.

Thank you, Carol. I can think of worse things to be called. As far as 
a cocktail-party connotation goes, schmoozing is done anytime, 
anywhere ... not just at cocktail parties. <s> I guess the closest 
definition would be "comfortable, friendly, warm conversation," which 
is pretty close to the ideal online kind of chat, since it implies a 
human (in the best sense of the word) and connected kind of 
conversation.

Albert

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I was reading from the bungi archives (March 96)..   One of the group =
had made a wind chime from fusing thin glass together.. She stated that =
she had used fusing glue to keep the chimes from shifting during the =
fusing process.. I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or =
especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass glue =
and perhaps another substitue would work..  I  was hoping that it might =
be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase =
(since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and the =
products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know =
she does not stock) . =20
Also, the another question for the  fusing experts..  In the archives, =
she stated that she glued  o rings to the fused pieces so they could be =
hung.. Could I  use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of glass =
(I did order that from Meridth on my last order )  I really do not like =
glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow for =
me..=20
Thank you all..=20
Gloria
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The glue I use for fusing comes from my stained glass retailer (may be
available mail order as well) and costs $6.50 (US) per bottle.  At that
price,
it may be worth an experiment to try Elmer's...

On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 7:37 PM, Gloria & George
[SMTP:3hounds@usaor.net] wrote:
> hung.. Could I  use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of
glass =
I'm not sure what fusing wire is, but another way to make a hanger is to
fuse an open square where you want to hang it from by placing 3 small
rectangles to form a square with the edge of the piece, then fuse that
all together.  I would use the same thickness of the piece you want to
hang (eg. if it's 1/4", use 2 layers of 1/8" rectangles).  Be sure all
the edges overlap so everything fuses together.

L. Spangler


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Hi Gloria,

	I just took a fusing class and we used plain ol' Elmer's glue or
Aleen's (I think it's usually found at craft stores.)  The glue just
burned off in the kiln.
	
	Also, the fusable wire can be sandwiched between two pieces of
glass.  I didn't do this myself, but someone in the class did, and it
worked great.  Another person put the glass on top of the wire, and it
melted into the wire and held really well too.

	BTW thanks to everyone who explained what "juried" meant.  I
really learned a lot from everyone's comments.

Jerri (who's wishing for a kiln now.  Darn!  I need a cheaper hobby)

P.S.  I now have a web page.  (hubby's hobby)  I'm strictly a
hobbiest/amatuer, but if anyone wants to look at my glass or my dogs,
it's:   www.mindspring.com/~roey       

	


On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:37:25 -0200 Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net>
writes:
>I was reading from the bungi archives (March 96)..   One of the group 
>=
>had made a wind chime from fusing thin glass together.. She stated 
>that =
>she had used fusing glue to keep the chimes from shifting during the =
>fusing process.. I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or =
>especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass 
>glue =
>and perhaps another substitue would work..  I  was hoping that it 
>might =
>be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase 
>=
>(since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and 
>the =
>products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know 
>=
>she does not stock) . =20
>Also, the another question for the  fusing experts..  In the archives, 
>=
>she stated that she glued  o rings to the fused pieces so they could 
>be =
>hung.. Could I  use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of 
>glass =
>(I did order that from Meridth on my last order )  I really do not 
>like =
>glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow 
>for =
>me..=20
>Thank you all..=20
>Gloria
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Hi,
The glue is a fuser's glue which will burn away without leaving any carbon
or other residue. Hotline is the brand name that I use. I doubt whether it
is marketed for a different purpose at hardware stores, since it is fairly
specialized. Why not call your retailer and get her to order what you need
and go there when she gets it in? For wire, just make sure that you use a
high-temp stamen wire.

Good Luck!
Sarah

>I was reading from the bungi archives (March 96)..   One of the group =
>had made a wind chime from fusing thin glass together.. She stated that =
>she had used fusing glue to keep the chimes from shifting during the =
>fusing process.. I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue or =
>especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass glue =
>and perhaps another substitue would work..  I  was hoping that it might =
>be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase =
>(since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and the =
>products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know =
>she does not stock) . =20
>Also, the another question for the  fusing experts..  In the archives, =
>she stated that she glued  o rings to the fused pieces so they could be =
>hung.. Could I  use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of glass =
>(I did order that from Meridth on my last order )  I really do not like =
>glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow for =
>me..=20
>Thank you all..=20
>Gloria
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<Gloria writes in part> I am wondering if anyone knows of that glue 
or =
especially if a glue can be purchased or does it have to be a glass 
glue =
and perhaps another substitue would work..  I  was hoping that it 
might =
be a glue that was not strictly a stained glass retail store purchase 
=
(since my local retailer is a 1 1/2 hour drive away -round trip and 
the =
products I would need would be glue and maybe thin glass which I know 
=
she does not stock) . =20
Also, the another question for the  fusing experts..  In the archives,
 =
she stated that she glued  o rings to the fused pieces so they could 
be =
hung.. Could I  use fusing wire sandwiched between the 2 pieces of 
glass =
(I did order that from Meridth on my last order )  I really do not 
like =
glued pieces attached to my glass.. Glue seems to fail or get yellow 
for =
me..=20
Thank you all..=20
Gloria <end>

I use Elmers glue that has been cut with a little water. Make very 
sure to use the SMALLEST AMOUNT necessary to temporally glue your 
pieces together.  Dipping a toothpick in the glue helps to get a 
small ampunt. To much glue will not burn off without leaving an 
unsightly residue.

Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. I 
make circles around  something like a pencil and cut them round 
before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place 
the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is 
most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise 
the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the 
wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire 
either on top of or under the glass. Bob

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Bob wrote, somewhat vaguely:
Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. 
I make circles around  something like a pencil and cut them round 
before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place 
the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is 

most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise 
the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the 
wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire 
either on top of or under the glass. Bob

To start over. Wrap the wire to be fused several times around a 
cylinder of the desired diameter. Using lead dikes cut the circles 
apart. The ends of the circles will be slightly offset. Use a hammer 

to flatten the circle where the ends come together. This makes the 
ends of the circles somewhat irregular and allows fused glass to 
make
a good mechanical grip around the wire. The lead dikes can be used to 

nick the wire near the ends to accomplish the same purpose. 

Insert the wire circle about one quarter way between two pieces of 
glass with the cut irregular shaped ends between the glass. 
Heat to 1450'F or so.

A common glass nugget laying on its flat side can be cut about 1/8" 
in with a diamond band saw and a wire circle wedged in the cut and 
fused. Of course, if you overlap other nuggets of the right color and 

make the right overall shape the resulting product will look like a 
bunch of grapes ready to hang up. A combination of common purple and 

lilac nuggets looks great. Bob


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Bob wrote, somewhat vaguely:
 Fusing wire or even plain copper wire can be fused in for a hanger. 
I 
make circles around  something like a pencil and cut them round 
before sandwiching between two pieces of glass. One can just place 
the end of the wire between two pieces of glass. In both cases it is 

most helpful to dent the wire in contact with the glass. Otherwise 
the glass may not form a tight bond around the round wire and the 
wire will pull out. I have not had good success in placing the wire 
either on top of or under the glass. Bob

To start over. Wrap the wire to be fused several times around a 
cylinder of the desired diameter. Using lead dikes cut the circles 
apart. The ends of the circles will be slightly offset. Use a hammer 
to flatten the circle where the ends come together. This makes the 
ends of the circles somewhat irregular and allows glass to make a 
good mechanical seal around the wire. The lead dikes can be used to 
nick the wire near the ends to acomplish the same purpose. 

Place the wire circle about one quarter way between two pieces of 
glass with the cut ends between the glass. Heat to 1450'F or so.

A common glass nugget laying on its flat side can be cut about 1/8" 
in with a diamond bandsaw and a wire circle placed in the cut and 
fused. Of course, if you overlap other nuggets of the right color and 
make the right overall shape the resulting product will look like a 
bunch of grapes ready to hang up. A combination of common purple and 
lilac nuggets looks great. Bob

____
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that *possom is unfriendly to chickens* destroy your code machines.) 
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His patterns are in pdf format and you need to download the Acrobat
reader before you can see them.  Since many items on the internet are in this
format, it's not a bad thing to do.
(If you are having trouble downloading the fairy pattern...there's a new
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I posted some responses to some people who commented to me about my
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Hi everyone,

Well I will be leaving this aft. to Las Vegas.  I will absorb
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Hi everyone -

I am interested in the convenience of some sg software - my first attempt at
designing has been frustrating and very time consuming.

I know there are several on the market - any suggestions on which is better,
easy to use, all emcompassing, etc.  Any input/suggestions would very much be
appreciated. Thanks!

Margaret
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I own both Glass Eye by Dragonfly software and  Designer by American
Bevel... I really like Glass Eye  and use it quite a bit...I really havent
taken the time to learn Designer yet so I wont comment on likes/dislikes of
it...

You can download demo versions of both programs for free off the internet...
Both are fully functional except that they wont print or save anything...
Glass Eye can be found at www.dfly.com and Designer can be found at
www.americanbevel.com

Byron...

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From: Margaret41 <Margaret41@aol.com>
To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 10:59 AM
Subject: Stained Glass Software


>Hi everyone -
>
>I am interested in the convenience of some sg software - my first attempt
at
>designing has been frustrating and very time consuming.
>
>I know there are several on the market - any suggestions on which is
better,
>easy to use, all emcompassing, etc.  Any input/suggestions would very much
be
>appreciated. Thanks!
>
>Margaret
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Hey Folks!

Can we have THREE CHEERS for another couple from UK who have joined 
our merry little family at Bungi!! ;->

Welcome Tony and Barbara in Cornwall, UK!!


 From:          "Tony Regan"<aareg@globalnet.co.uk> 
To:        <glass@bungi.com> Subject:       Stained Glass group
Date:          Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:38:40 -0000




Hello

We have been given your e.mail address by Elizabeth at Northlights and =
would like details of your group

regards

tony & barbara Regan


Glad to have you onboard.
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Cheers, cheers, cheers (3) to the Regans. Welcome to our group!   Lyn
 
 

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>From Bob Cutler
I am learning to use Glasseye. I think it is very user-friendly.  The user
manual is very well-written.  Clear.  Check out their webpage:
www.dfly.com.  I'm sure there will be upgrades that will make it even
better.  I like being able to scan images, bring them in as background,
trace them and delete the original image - and go from there.  Lots more
features that I am learning to use.  This is an unpaid commercial :->

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Margaret41 wrote:

> Hi everyone -
> 
> I am interested in the convenience of some sg software - my first attempt at
> designing has been frustrating and very time consuming.
> 
> I know there are several on the market - any suggestions on which is better,
> easy to use, all emcompassing, etc.  Any input/suggestions would very much be
> appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> Margaret
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Welcome Tony & Barbara, to the bungi list!  Please place your seat backs
and snack trays in their upright position and check to be sure that your
seat belts are fastened... (As Bette Davis once said, "It's going to be
a bumpy ride!") Alright, alright, so it wasn't QUITE like that... Give
me a little latitude for translation, okay?

Seriously though, I'm very pleased that you have decided to join us and
hope that your patience and reading efforts are generously rewarded with
oodles of wonderfully useful little bits of knowledge punctuated by the
occassional odd insertion of character and or amusement. Bon chance!

Valerie Tydings Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
Roanoke Island NC USA
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Greetings, Tony and Barbara from sunny Bournemouth. Nice to have you aboard
bungi.
There are not many of us based in the UK, so some of the topics discussed
are not applicable to us, but I am sure you will find lots to interest you.
Have you been into stained glass for long?
Elizabeth & Sam Law
Bournemouth Stained Glass
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk

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Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you =
apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And =
then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20

Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the =
tinned joint without doing anything?

I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and =
spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean =
start, yes?=20

But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak =
point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are done. =
Maybe I'll get to that point one day.....

Thanks for listening....

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Linda Campbell wrote:
> 
> Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you =
> apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And =
> then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20
> 
> Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the =
> tinned joint without doing anything?
> 
> I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and =
> spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean =
> start, yes?=20
> 
> But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak =
> point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are done. =
> Maybe I'll get to that point one day.....
> 
> Thanks for listening....
> 
> Linda Campbell
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it varies. 

generally i'll put down only spots of flux when tacking. mainly becuase
the tape is in the way (which is holding the pieces in place). 

once the tape is removed, i'll lay out my real flux, over an area i can
handle with it evaporating on me. usaully a square foot or so. and i'll
put in my 50-50, then, if needed, i'll put a little more flux for a
bead. though most of the time i'll wipe everything down with a bit of
alchohol and a paper towel, and put some fresh flux on it. not too much
or it will spatter. 

the second fluxing, really does'nt need to be much. just enough for a
sizzle and a smooth bead.

---Mike Savad


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I have not been at this long either but... I do have a long background
of soldering.  My stained glass instructor gave me some pointers as
follows (still fresh in my mind)  Tack solder using flux at the points
that will help you maintain the shape of the object on the back side.
If your flux is spitting and sputtering... you are using too much flux.
Then solder the back side for the rounded bead (strength) .  Turn over
the object flux one area at a time and do the finish bead on the front.

Don


Linda Campbell wrote:

> Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you
> =
> apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And
> =
> then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20
>
> Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the =
> tinned joint without doing anything?
>
> I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and
> =
> spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean =
> start, yes?=20
>
> But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak =
>
> point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are
> done. =
> Maybe I'll get to that point one day.....
>
> Thanks for listening....
>
> Linda Campbell
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Linda,

I use a VERY SMALL amount of flux when tacking joints, then reflux
before running the bead, again using the minimum amount of flux  I
find that while using a lot of flux makes for a nice flow of solder,
it also makes for a dull surface and lots of thick, dark yuk that has
to be cleaned off.  I try to use only enough flux so that the solder
burns it off completely.

Don M. McDonald
Director, Web Services
Chesapeake Communications Corporation

>>> Linda Campbell <lcbell@memach.com> 03/12 7:49 AM >>>
Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you
=
apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint.
And =
then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20

Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the
=
tinned joint without doing anything?

I ask this because after the initial tinning, the flux gets yucky and
=
spits and sputters. I feel like each solder pass should be a clean =
start, yes?=20

But what the heck, I'm still learning and soldering has been my weak
=
point. I'd say the pros lay down a single solder bead and they are
done. =
Maybe I'll get to that point one day.....

Thanks for listening....

Linda Campbell
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Sorry I just figured some people would have known and clarified: INTERNATIONAL
ART GLASS SUPPLIERS TRADE SHOW SOURCE '98
July 11-12 Exhibits  July 8-10 Education
Says it is a trade show only and all guests must present business ID's
#1-800-878-6767
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Since not all of us can go to the Houston thing cuz it's a Trade Show,
but some of us are going on the Yough and Falling Water tour - How about
a show of hands?
I and my SO are already reserved ( the trip is filled) Whom else???

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Hi everyone...someone asked for directions to Warner for a March 17 trip -
 this is how I get there -

Take the PA turnpike to the NorthEast Extension to Exit 33 (Lehigh Valley
exit).  Take 22E to the Airport Rd North (AKA Rt. 987N - I never have seen an
airport rd north sign). You'll pass a CoreStates Bank on right and the airport
will be on the left.  At the 3rd stop light, Weaversville Rd and
Schoenersville Rd (a WaWa or 7-11 on the right corner), make a left...you'll
come to a curve/bend in the road and there it is.   hope you enjoy your visit.
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Linda wrote:
>Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you =
>apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And =
>then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20
>
>Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the =
>tinned joint without doing anything?
Depends how long you've been away. I was taught not to let flux sit on 
work without cleaning it off if it's going to be more than a couple of 
hours.

Assuming you're doing all of this at one sitting, I do not wash, but 
solder over the tinned seam. Sometimes I will add more flux if it needs 
it. ("needing it" - solder will not flow right, globs onto the glass, 
etc.) Generally the less flux you use the better.

Here's the routine that works for me. (This is assuming the piece is not 
gigantic; in that case I will work one side, clean it off, and go back 
for the other side later.)

I tin the whole front, put on the came, then turn it over and tin the 
back side. I have better luck tinning the whole side first, then going 
back and beading it. That also gives me more practice time on that 
particular piece. After the back is done to my satisfaction, then I turn 
it over and bead the front. Also I believe, it's a good idea to turn the 
iron temp down a bit for the beading process. 

Hope this helps.




Suzanne Albright
suzy@comcat.com


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Now I'm getting mixed up!! I've done 5 pannels,hope they're not going to fall
apart!! what's the difference between tinning and beading? I just put some
flux on the spots that I'm gonna tack,then take the tape off and do the
soldering lines.Is this wrong? Am I suppose to put a lite layer of solder onto
the foil lines(is this tinning?) then go back and build up the solder lines(is
this beading?) And I took a class!!!                                          
                                                               Thanx,Damon
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Welcome to the group. You have chosen a great time to get with us great
people (and a few stinkers). In an effort to help us get acquainted
would you please forward an unoffical biography of yourselves to me and
I will post it to the group.

pkelly@n-link.com

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows

Tony Regan wrote:

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Well ..... I have about 20 bios on my hard drive. The rest of you have
given the following excuses:

I'm working on it.

My dog ate it.

My cat needed litter.

I wrapped the horse hair in it.

The black stove polish got all over it and I couldn't get it off the
monitor.

I'm having too much fun with my new electric glass cutter.

Hmmmmmmmm. They all sound kind of fishy to me. Anyway, I'll start
posting what I have on Saturday, 14th of March. Probably 2 at a time, in
no particular order. I will number them (Bio #1 Jane Smith).

For the ones who haven't submitted one yet, please do.

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows

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>Now I'm getting mixed up!! I've done 5 pannels,hope they're not going to fall
>apart!! what's the difference between tinning and beading? I just put some
>flux on the spots that I'm gonna tack,then take the tape off and do the
>soldering lines.Is this wrong? Am I suppose to put a lite layer of solder onto
>the foil lines(is this tinning?) then go back and build up the solder lines(is
>this beading?) And I took a class!!!                                          
>                                                               Thanx,Damon
>- You're doing fine, not to worry. It appears some people tin which is to
put a thin coat of solder down first and then go over it for the bead line. 
It can help at times if you want to fill in any gaps between the glass
before you bead up. Happy soldering :)
Cindy 
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>To: glassw@bungi.com
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>
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>>Linda wrote:
>>>Question to you good folks about soldering and fluxing. Let's say you =
>>>apply flux to your copper foil joints and tack and time the joint. And =
>>>then you come back to make a decent solder bead.=20
>>>
>>>Do you reflux? Do you wash it first? Or do you just solder over the =
>>>tinned joint without doing anything?
>
>If it's a large picture that I'm working on I like to solder as I go. (If I
get quite a bit done in a day.) The reason being is...if I don't get back to
it right away it hasn't had the time to oxidize, it may not matter alot. But
as I'm always cleaning afterwards my work stays quite clean. I don't usually
tack solder because I use horse shoe nails. I will tin and wipe if need be
and just a light amount of flux for the bead line. 
>>Cindy
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Howdy, I'm no pro.. But I just solder over the tacking. No need to re-flux.
Just my expierence.
Susan
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Dear bungians et al,
I just got this and thought that I might pass it on in hope that some of
'our gang' might be able to help? I am clueless as to the
material/method of which he speaks.
V T Phelps
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Hello,  I'm new here.
I hv a small company in Portugal to make stained glass.

Does somebody here uses materials / equipment from RSG -
Resin Stained Glass (UK)  or Ueno (Japan) ?
Or some other similar resin method?
I do and would like to discuss ideas.

Regards

Luis Sousa
alpas@iname.com
UIN 3410031
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Clueless.
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A while back, there was a lady who wanted me to send pic. of my stepping
stones. I have lost her name and e-mail. Please respond, I finally got my
scanner figured out!
Susan
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In a message dated 98-03-13 00:38:36 EST, you write:

<< Does somebody here uses materials / equipment from RSG -
 Resin Stained Glass (UK)  or Ueno (Japan) ?
 Or some other similar resin method?
 I do and would like to discuss ideas.
  >>

Luis - our "resident experts" that would be familiar with this may be at a
conference in Las Vegas, Nevada.  If you don't get a response wait a few days
and post again, I think the conference ends Sunday.
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Dudley246 wrote:
> 
> Now I'm getting mixed up!! I've done 5 pannels,hope they're not going to fall
> apart!! what's the difference between tinning and beading? I just put some
> flux on the spots that I'm gonna tack,then take the tape off and do the
> soldering lines.Is this wrong? Am I suppose to put a lite layer of solder onto
> the foil lines(is this tinning?) then go back and build up the solder lines(is
> this beading?) And I took a class!!!
>                                                                Thanx,Damon
> ----


alright, here are the general keywords:

TINNING: this is when you put a thin coating of solder on the foil, or
whatever. usaully done on the edges and borders. some people like
tinning the edges of a box before assembly. 

FLAT SOLDERING: this is when you fill the gaps between pieces. i use
50-50 because it's cheaper. if you went straight to beading, you would
waste alot of solder (especially if you have wide gaps). the solder has
no profile.

BEADING: this is when you put your finished look onto the panel. it
makes it look nicer, and strenthens it a bit. it what seperates the
professional work to the very unprofessional. i use 60-40 it does the
job and it's cheaper then the other stuff out there. 50-50 does'nt work
as well to get a good bead. and you can lower the reostat for the 60-40
to prevent drip through.

i usaully tin after everything is beaded, because i can remove any drips
on the side.

---Mike Savad

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Linda:  When you are tack soldering, sometimes it is easier to dip the
solder in flux rather than flux your project.  This works well for tack
soldering.  Peggy

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In a message dated 98-03-13 06:25:27 EST, WhispyBlu@aol.com writes:

<< < Does somebody here uses materials / equipment from RSG -
  Resin Stained Glass (UK)  or Ueno (Japan) ?
  Or some other similar resin method?
  I do and would like to discuss ideas.
   >>
  >>

Resin = plastic suncatchers??  Sounds like the bake in the oven stuff they
sell around here at flea markets 3 for $5.00.........
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In a message dated 98-03-13 10:44:35 EST, you write:

<< 
 BEADING: this is when you put your finished look onto the panel. it
 makes it look nicer, and strenthens it a bit. it what seperates the
 professional work to the very unprofessional.  >>


Hi again, 

When I first got started in glass I worried a lot because I'm self taught. 

If I saw stained glass windows in a mall or restaurant I would walk up and
look closely at it. Not for design but for the soldering. I discovered that
most of the time my first year soldering looked as good or better then their
professional soldering. 

I don't do a lot of glass, mainly gifts, but I do like it to look nice. 

Dianne Russell
Williamsburg, VA
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>Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:35:18 -0600
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>
>Well ..... I have about 20 bios on my hard drive. The rest of you have
>given the following excuses:
>
>I'm working on it.... Not as of yet:)
>
>My dog ate it.... Works for me:)
>
>My cat needed litter...Better not:)
>
>I wrapped the horse hair in it...I lost my horse:(
>
>The black stove polish got all over it and I couldn't get it off the
>monitor...Sounds good:)
>
>I'm having too much fun with my new electric glass cutter...Still stuck on
directions:)
>
>Hmmmmmmmm. They all sound kind of fishy to me. Anyway, I'll start
>posting what I have on Saturday, 14th of March. Probably 2 at a time, in
>no particular order. I will number them (Bio #1 Jane Smith).
>
>For the ones who haven't submitted one yet, please do.
>
>Patrick
>Roses and Rainbows
>
>Hi Patrick:)
A bio...Hmmm, I wrote one about 6 years ago