From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 03:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:43:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:42:56 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb1.114256.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 00:43:49 EST, you write: << question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass web pages? question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? >> Jeremy: I missed Howard Rubin's web page in the list I sent you. He is THE Tiffany Lamp expert. Don't miss his page at http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 06:06:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:05:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980201090539.00733274@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply >companies? Don't forget about Franklin Art Glass in your own backyard! They are a full scale retailer as well as wholesaler and will ship within a days time to places in Ohio. They are located in German Village in Columbus and their 800# is 1-800-848-7683. I have had nothing but courteous service in the 12 years I have been dealing with them. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 08:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:02:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:00:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.6056.0> References: <<1998Jan31.195330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy Hopkins wrote: > > first off Thank You to all who responded to my question about shipping > glass. i have not decided how i am going to get it here, but someday i > will. question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass > web pages? > > question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply > companies? > > thank you for your help, of the seven mailing lists i belong to for > other hobbies this one is by far the most curteous(sp.) and helpful. > keep up the good work . > > -- > Jeremy W. Hopkins > KC8GWH > http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ > 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass not to toot my own horn, but you can go to my page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 also my links page will answer your second question. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 08:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 11:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199802011654.LAA27920@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Sent: 2/1/98 11:52 AM To: glass bungi line, glass@bungi.com Jeremy Hopkins wrote: >question #1 can anyone point me to a couple of good stained glass >web pages? www.aiap.com/amazon (Int'l Guild of Glass Artists, Inc.) www.artglassworld.com www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm (books, magazines) www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm www.bungi.com/glass/patterns www.dodgestudio.com www.geocites.com/paris/1141/links.htm www.glasscrafters.com www.glasspaterns.com www.hotglass.com/links.html www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/dilhtm www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html www.rec.crafts.glass www.spectrumglass.com www.stainedglassbiz.com www.stainedglasswarehouse.com/ www.summitstudio.com www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguri www.voyager.net/delphiglass www.warner-criv.too >question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? Warner Crivellaro, last on above list! Enjoy, Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 09:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:11:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:09:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.4951.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Dipping the soldering iron in most any flux is a good way to clean >the tip but generates a lot of undesirable fumes. A word of caution- > Most of our students who have tried to clean the soldering tips by dipping then in flux have ended up buying new tips! The tips are generally plated with iron (i think) the flux will eventually eat through the iron then bye bye tip. We just use a damp sponge or if it really gets cruddy and needs re-tinned we rub it on a sal-ammoniac block. Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 09:18:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:17:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:16:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.41638.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Jeremy Hopkins wrote: >> >> Hello I'm new to this list. My grandfather just gave me all of his >> stained glass equipment, he shipped me the tools last week, he lives in >> florida And i live in ohio, he has aprox. 175 lbs. of glass that i need >> to get to ohio, anyone have any suggestions? Right now i cannot afford >> to drive there and pick it up. >> -- >> Jeremy W. Hopkins >> KC8GWH When we ship we usually take the items to a place called Mailboxes etc. There are probably similar places all over though. They will wrab & box & ship the items for a fee. They do a good job & if it does get broken they take care of it. Bumblebee Stained Glass Caldwell, Ohio Paul KB8PZQ 147.285 MHZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 10:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:51:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: shipping glass Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:50:12 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb1.185012.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 12:18:39 EST, you write: << When we ship we usually take the items to a place called Mailboxes etc >> The ones around here ship UPS. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 11:39:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:38:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: qdnet.pl!witraze From: "Tomasz Bielinski" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: new stained and fused glass site- please take a look! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:37:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.203741.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians, I happy to inform you that our new, improved homepage is now under new address : htpp://www.polbox.com/w/witraze/ The site is about stained and architectural glass.The new page has many pictures of glass works (leaded and fused) and will be updated as often as new interesting works will be executed. Thank you for updating the link to our site, best regards Tomasz ========================================== Tomasz Bielinski - WITRAZE s.c. STAINED & ARCHITECTURAL GLASS e-mail: witraze@qdnet.pl http://www.polbox.com/w/witraze Visit our HOMEPAGE tel/fax: 48 (22) 872-04-17 ============================================= ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 12:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:37:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980201154157.37a77878@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kitchen (or cellulose) sponges are made from wood fiber. Cellulose also contains a property that will inherently "bind" when broken down through heat application. When this happens "gunk" will stick to your soldering iron tip. At 05:09 AM 1/31/98 EST, you wrote: >I need to ask why not a kitchen sponge? Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 14:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:14:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb1.221430.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 11:03:57 EST, morn@nac.net writes: << not to toot my own horn, but you can go to my page >> Mike , who would ever accuse you of "TOOTING" your own horn???LOL.Not I that's for sure. Your web page has been quite helpful,thanks....Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 14:37:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Dozens of glass workshops Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:43:21 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Coming up in the near future are dozens of workshops throughout the U.S. and elsewhere ... we just added a bunch of them to the "Events" button at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ Check 'em out! One of them might be just what you need ... We also heard from Howard Shaw at James Hetley & Co., Ltd in London ... and have added their new web site to their listings in the online Sources Guide. Hetley's now included in a wider range of supply categories, too ... we didn't know! But now their listings are up to date. Be sure to check out their web site at http://www.hetleys.co.uk/ ... it's one of the nicest, cleanest designs we've seen in the glass world ... and packed with great information and images of glass, too. Enjoy! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 15:25:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:25:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass list'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD2E50.F5D54CA0" Subject: Rescrible Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:02:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Jan31.9226.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD2E50.F5D54CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, Please add me back to your list. 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I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is all clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is black backed is 3/16". I have foiled two pieces to see how they work with the foil and the crimped edge is very narrow on the outside of the glass..... I am having no trouble with foiling however it occurred to me that such a thin solder line may not be strong enough.... Should I go out tomorrow and buy wider foil? It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of glass, lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. I do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top to bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside edge. I want to use the black backed foil as I plan to put black patina on the solder line..... Your thoughts are very much appreciated.... thanks ahead of time. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 19:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:27:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 22:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: <199802020327.WAA05716@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is all >clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. > >Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is black >backed is 3/16". > It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of glass, >lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. I >do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top to >bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside edge. Barbara, your 3/16" foil might be too narrow, especially for the ripple. You can mix foils; probably some 7/32" would be a good idea for the thicker glass. Also, my understanding of reinforcing is that it should run from edge to edge. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 19:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:42:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:43:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.114352.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Barbara....usually 7/32 foil is used. For the ripples, for certain! if the glass is opalescent you do not need black back as the inside of the foil will not show. for chip and pastel cathedrals most CERTAINLY black back weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 19:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:57:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snet.net!tbyrnes From: Tim Byrnes To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Foil Width Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:55:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.17553.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Barbara, I would use a wider foil. Take a few pieces of scrape with you and = ask for some assistance from your supplier, at least you will have the = pcs. of glass with you to compare to the foil. This is my 2 cents. Tim Byrnes QM STAINED GLASS STUDIO ---------- From: Barbara[SMTP:bjs10@cornell.edu] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 1998 4:45 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Foil Width Good Evening Group... I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is = all clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. =20 Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is = black backed is 3/16". I have foiled two pieces to see how they work with the foil and the crimped edge is very narrow on the outside of the = glass..... I am having no trouble with foiling however it occurred to me that such a = thin solder line may not be strong enough.... Should I go out tomorrow and buy wider foil? It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of = glass, lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. = I do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top = to bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside = edge. I want to use the black backed foil as I plan to put black = patina on the solder line..... Your thoughts are very much appreciated.... thanks ahead of time. Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Feb 1 21:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:05:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new stained and fused glass site- please take a look! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:02:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.5237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 14:40:13 EST, you write: << htpp://www.polbox.com/w/witraze/ >> Hi All, Actually, I tried to copy and paste this and it wouldn't go in because it should be "http", not "htpp" so if you update your links, don't just paste this one! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 03:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:07:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CraftSite From: CraftSite@aol.com To: CraftWeb@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handle Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:34:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.103432.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Fellow Crafters! If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a one-time message and will not be repeated. We are seeking to ally with artists and handicrafters who are interested in having their works or handicraft specialties marketed and promoted on a strictly commission basis. We market and sell to numerous wholesale and retail outlets throughout the Northwest U.S. We also have an extensive web site where we will construct and provide you a free web page and hosting for your items. We can also provide you with the capability of accepting credit cards for your goods on our secured server if you do not currently accept credit cards as your fulfillment center. If this is of interest to you and you would like to know more about our service, just send us an e-mail or feel free to view one of our mirror sites located at: http://members.aol.com/CraftSite/crafts.htm Thank you for your time and Best Wishes for Your Success! Jean & Fred The Manufacturer's Edge ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:12:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CraftSite From: CraftSite@aol.com To: CraftWeb@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handle Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:13:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.101326.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Fellow Crafters! If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a one-time message and will not be repeated. We are seeking to ally with artists and handicrafters who are interested in having their works or handicraft specialties marketed and promoted on a strictly commission basis. We market and sell to numerous wholesale and retail outlets throughout the Northwest U.S. We also have an extensive web site where we will construct and provide you a free web page and hosting for your items. We can also provide you with the capability of accepting credit cards for your goods on our secured server if you do not currently accept credit cards as your fulfillment center. If this is of interest to you and you would like to know more about our service, just send us an e-mail or feel free to view one of our mirror sites located at: http://members.aol.com/CraftSite/crafts.htm Thank you for your time and Best Wishes for Your Success! Jean & Fred The Manufacturer's Edge ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:45:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 3x within 3 hours? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:53:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a > one-time message and will not be repeated. Not quite. This is the third one this morning. I looked at your site, then got a message that I hadn't looked at it yet. ( ? ) Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:47:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:46:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:46:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980202075143.323f3c40@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks all for you tips re: foil width.... The glass is clear not opalescent so I am going to my supplier today for the foil....... At 07:43 PM 2/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello, Barbara....usually 7/32 foil is used. For the ripples, for certain! > >if the glass is opalescent you do not need black back as the inside of the >foil will not show. >for chip and pastel cathedrals most CERTAINLY black back > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 04:47:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:46:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:46:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980202075141.323fa16e@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gee Thanks Suzanne, That makes a lot more sense. >Also, my understanding of reinforcing is that it should run from edge to >edge. > >Suzanne > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 05:21:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:20:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: foil width Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:18:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980202081820.00731888@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I know this is too late for the problem that was being questioned, but I just wanted to get my two cents in. I use 3/16" foil exclusively in all my work because I like the delicate solder line. I do reinforce as necessary, but I don't think that you have to use 7/32" in all cases. I have to admit that on ripple glass 7/32" might work better, but it totally depends on the thickness of the ripple. When I did the Indian Chief with the ripple in the feathers, 7/32" was way too much for places where the glass was a little thinner than the other places. And in a piece 14" x 19", I don't think it really matters that much. It is not a big heavy piece that is going to be weighed down by lots of glass and solder. I would have gone ahead with the 3/16" foil and on the ripple, just used it twice in places that were necessary. IMHO Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 06:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:27:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:22:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.42248.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. Susan Shoestring Shipyard www.shoestringshipyard.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 06:33:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:33:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alweis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Glass Beadmakers' Gathering Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:17:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just posted in MAY under "Events" on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ ... don't miss it if you're interested in glass bead making: May 7-10, 1998 Beadmakers: "Echoes of Ancient Glass" The Society of Glass Beadmakers' Sixth Annual Gathering, "Echoes of Ancient Glass," is slated for Corning New York and includes pre- and post-conference glass beadmaking workshops, problem-solving seminar, pre-conference designing and business workshops, handmade glass bead bazaar, lectures, commercial vendors, demonstrations, open-torch. Related events: Society of Glass Beadmakers Bead Bazaar (Radisson Hotel, Saturday May 9, 1998 - 10am-6pm, admission free); Handmade Glass Beads Silent Aution (at the Bead Bazaar, Radisson Hotel, May 9, 1998 - 10am-5pm); Contemporary Art Glass Jewelry and Bead Show (Rockwell Museum, May 1 to June 28; Reception, May 8, 5:30pm); "Echoes of Ancient Glass" All Members Glass Bead Show (Radisson Hotel, May 1 to May 31); Big Bead Bash, Sculptural Glass Bead Show (at Whitehouse Books, May 1 to June 7, Reception, May 9, 7 pm); Handmade Glass Bead Designer Showcase (at Fibers and Fantasy, May 2-June 7, reception May 9, 6 pm). To attend the conference, you must be a member of the Society of Glass Beadmakers; you may join at the time you sign up for the conference. For a complete conference packet, contact: Carol Bugarin, 33 Sleeper Street #107, Boston MA 02210. Phone: (617) 542-0422. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:01:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handle Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:01:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802021501.KAA12893@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean & Fred The Manufacturer's Edge wrote, >Hello, Fellow Crafters! > >If this message has reached you mistake, please accept our apology. This is a >one-time message and will not be repeated. > very polite but............more than one time here also. And I was wondering why someone looking for handcrafted items would call themselves the Manufacturer's Edge? Doesn't that mean something other than creating? Think webster says "produce mechanically".. And we all know what mechanically means! They even sell beanie babies! Just a Monday morning thought. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:11:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Foil Width Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:10:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.5105.0> References: <<2.2.16.19980201215038.37d7bd68@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > > Good Evening Group... > I am working on a panel that is 14" X 19" in foil. The glass is all > clear in different textures... ripple, seeded and glue chip. > > Here is my dilemma.... The only foil that I have in my shop that is black > backed is 3/16". I have foiled two pieces to see how they work with the > foil and the crimped edge is very narrow on the outside of the glass..... I > am having no trouble with foiling however it occurred to me that such a thin > solder line may not be strong enough.... > Should I go out tomorrow and buy wider foil? > It is an Art Nouveau piece with lots of long thin strips of glass, > lots of inside curves and many small pieces in the center of the panel. I > do plan on running two pieces of copper wire for added strength from top to > bottom through the piece, each one about 5 inches in from the outside edge. > I want to use the black backed foil as I plan to put black patina on > the solder line..... Your thoughts are very much appreciated.... > thanks ahead of time. > Barbara Snell > Cornell University > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass thin solder lines can be ok with zinc came going around the border. and since it has some inside curves it can be strong enough. you may want to use 7/32 or 1/4" foil, for the ripples or thicker glass otherwise it will be way to thin. also consider the gap factor. the pieces may not line up perfectly, though even with that said the thin foil could still pull away. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:14:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: my site has been updated Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.5132.0> References: <<1998Feb1.114352.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ok, i just updated my site for anyone who follows it. i added another 22 new links. 7 new projects added (though alot of them are on the simple side). the new pictures are much larger to look at. and i also have my updated shop pictures. the shop pictures are larger and clearer, and there is a better description of the shop. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 07:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l, Guild, of, Glass, Artists Subject: Last new workshop today Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:52:34 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ... promise! This'll be the last note today ... but this workshop was just posted to http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and we thought it was a really interesting way to arrange things. It's under "Events" and "April": April 18-19, 1998 Self-taught Workshop with Volunteer Instructors Bring your own glass and tools. Come and do beads, marbles, and lampworking for the weekend. You don't have to teach, you can just come and hang out and learn a bunch. We do need a few volunteers to show things you have learned in other workshops and to share your knowledge with those of us who would love to see your demos. It you need glasses and limited tools, we have them here. We'll supply the place, the fuels and the burners. You'll do the rest. We've got 12 spots for torches. We need ideas for what you want to see. We'll let you know more about what and who will be demo-ing when we hear who is going to be there (you need to let us know.) Sounds like fun! $40.00 fee. Enrollments are limited. Reservations are required and the earlier, the better. A Touch Of Glass, 421 Haywood Road, Ashville NC 28806. Phone: (704) 258-2749. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: Scott Adams To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: foil width Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 09:02:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb1.9235.0> References: <<3.0.32.19980202081820.00731888@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Exotic Edibles of Edgewood Precedence: bulk I have found that using the 7/32" on thick and ripple produces an uneven line, myself, but I want the seurity of the thick foil, so where the foil looks too thick, I just trim it with an exeacto blade. Gives me control over the wdth of my solder line on irregular thickness glass. glasschic wrote: > > I know this is too late for the problem that was being questioned, but I > just wanted to get my two cents in. I use 3/16" foil exclusively in all my > work because I like the delicate solder line. I do reinforce as necessary, > but I don't think that you have to use 7/32" in all cases. I have to admit > that on ripple glass 7/32" might work better, but it totally depends on the > thickness of the ripple. When I did the Indian Chief with the ripple in > the feathers, 7/32" was way too much for places where the glass was a > little thinner than the other places. And in a piece 14" x 19", I don't > think it really matters that much. It is not a big heavy piece that is > going to be weighed down by lots of glass and solder. I would have gone > ahead with the 3/16" foil and on the ripple, just used it twice in places > that were necessary. > > IMHO > > Garden of Glass > Joyce Moran > Ohio > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:28:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:25:26 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.162526.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, My local supplier had a great tip about using guides for round designs - he suggested to use the brass round rings made for reinforcing the bottom of round lampshades. They come in a variety of sizes. Also, try using the wooden round rings found in craft stores to hold embroidery. Just a couple of ideas. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:29:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Carl Childers To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.6373.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cox's Mower Service Precedence: bulk Every time I visit Mike Savad's pages, I start to think that I should hang up the old soldering iron. The Azure box - WOW I thought the Fish Lamp was complicated. And you have a day job too?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: new stained and fused glass site- please take a look! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:48:08 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.15488.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk susie I have found if you just copy and paste everything after http// you will usually be safe at getting site to come up deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:37:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: DEAN.MED.UFL.EDU!cmccall From: "Candice McCall" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: (Fwd) Re: Clean Soldering Iron Tip Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:20:49 EST5EDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Dean's Office, College of Medicine Precedence: bulk When using flux, I pour a small amount into an empty film container. I place this film container into an aerosol can top which has the hole in the center that is perfect for holding the film container upright and in-place. I dip my soldering tip into this occasionally to clean it and therefore don't neutralize the entire bottle of flux. It works great for me. When you are ready to put your flux away for the next session of soldering, just put the film container top onto the film container and it's safe from accidental spills... Candice McCall Gainesville, Florida ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:41:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:40:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Tiffany lamps Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:39:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.13944.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Just wanted to thank you, Howard, for your info. on identifying Tiffany Lamps. I'll try to scan a picture of it and see if it helps. I am most interested to find out some background on the lamp and shade. It has no residue from foil so that's one plus. The only thing I could find was a small soldered loop on the bottom row of the shade. Any help? Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:58:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Art/Craft Shows Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:50:43 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.25043.0> References: <<1998Jan28.15022.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi All! I am contemplating the purchase of a new soldering iron, and am specifically looking at the "Inland Autofeed Soldering Iron". Have any of you purchased this yet? I think it looks good for foiling work, but am unsure about lead. Other than that, I am wondering about an inexpensive good soldering iron. TIA! Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 08:59:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:57:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cleaning soldering tips Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.15636.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Your idea was great Candice, on cleaning soldering tips. I have used everything from sal ammoniac to sponges(which, because of rusting, I have replaced more iron holders than I care to remember). The best little product I have found is a Hakko Tip Cleaner. It is a little container with some brass wool coated with flux. It's a great and I won't even have a sponge anymore. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 09:42:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:40:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: puttying Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:03:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.3345.0> References: <<1998Jan28.8126.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi! Me again, another question regarding puttying. Is it neccesary to putty a window if its not going to be exposed to the elements? Laurean ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:03:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: cleaning soldering tips Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 12:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <9802028864.AA886442456@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Where did you purchase this at? Cost? Sue _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: cleaning soldering tips From: at internet-mail Date: 2/2/98 9:56 AM Your idea was great Candice, on cleaning soldering tips. I have used everything from sal ammoniac to sponges(which, because of rusting, I have replaced more iron holders than I care to remember). The best little product I have found is a Hakko Tip Cleaner. It is a little container with some brass wool coated with flux. It's a great and I won't even have a sponge anymore. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Inland Autofeed Iron Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980202132448.00736444@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only thing I have found the Inland Autofeed soldering Iron good for is spot soldering lampshades. It is much too slow for soldering panels and the angled tip isn't easy to work with if you are used to the straight one. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Ohio At 10:50 AM 2/2/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi All! > I am contemplating the purchase of a new soldering iron, >and am specifically looking at the "Inland Autofeed Soldering Iron". >Have any of you purchased this yet? I think it looks good for foiling >work, but am unsure about lead. Other than that, I am wondering about >an inexpensive good soldering iron. TIA! > >Laurean >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:52:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183413.0> References: <<1998Feb2.42248.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb2.42248.0@?>, Susan Jordan Bennett writes >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. > >Susan Susan, I use a large (in relation to the panel) piece of 2mm or 3 mm (single or double strength, I guess you would call it) glass. I cut it to the outside of the perimeter line, place it and secure it into place with bits of scrap lead came and horseshoe nails at the two corners and near the end of the curves. I normally only cut a third of a circle when doing this, so most often I require two of these. It works both with leaded and copperfoiled panels (for me of course!) steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 10:53:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: puttying Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:41:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.184158.0> References: <<1998Feb2.3345.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1998Feb2.3345.0@?>, Laurean writes >Hi! > Me again, another question regarding puttying. Is it >neccesary to putty a window if its not going to be exposed to the >elements? > Laurean, It keeps the glass from rattling for one thing. It makes the whole window more rigid. It keeps you from seeing the edges of the glass within the came. Probably lots of other things too! :-) Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 11:25:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:24:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 14:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <9802028864.AA886447465@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for advice, techniques and tips on building a chess/checker board for my 11 year old son. Any advice on types of glass, square sizes, color combinations, foil thicknesses, soldering, etc that anyone has would be welcome. I tried a sample one of 3/4" squares last night and other than cutting up my thumb, it came out okay. Haven't foiled and soldered it yet though. Did it in a tealish/white marble and solid cream colors. Thanks, Sue ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:10:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: 3x within 3 hours? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:00:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.10024.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Albert- Hope your message got to someone besides the bungi crowd! ;-) Best, Dani ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:12:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!sheila_oh From: Sheila To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cleaning soldering tips Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb2.41130.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too just got a Hakko tip cleaner and it seems to be working out much better than the sponge I was using. I don't have to wait for my iron to reheat. Keep Cutting Sheila OhiO _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.205011.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with to store those odd items. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 12:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:54:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Directions to W-C Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:47:27 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.204727.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you are a landmark person - the following may help: - For Airport Road North - I only saw one small sign actually saying this and can be easily missed if you are in the left lane....look for 987N which is the same as Airport Road North....3rd light is Weaversville Road - at that light is also an AM/PM MiniMarket - that landmark may be helpful too. Margaret Spicer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:34:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a couple of questions and a big Thank you Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:26:52 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.212652.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-01 00:43:49 EST, you write: Jeremy asked: << question #2 besides delphi are there any other large mail order supply companies? >> I recently received a delphi catalog - although many in the business describe Warner-Crivello (sp?) as far as their prices go - "prices are good for retail customer; not so good for wholesale customer". (My regular glass supplier does wish W-C would not sell retail...). Delphi vs. W-C: W-C prices for tools & supplies are better. Not sure on glass prices since it is too far a drive for me for a few hobby-sized sheets. Margaret Spicer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:38:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:35:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nettally.com!sford From: sford@nettally.com (Steven Ford) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribtion Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:28:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.112849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please change my address from sford@nettally.com to vford@nettally.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:42:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:00:59 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.0059.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If I'm remembering correctly, Diane, the suggestion for the Kleenex box was to stash small glass scraps in it. Once I read the suggestion I stopped throwing away those teeney little bits of glass and now toss them into the Kleenex box on my workbench. One of these days I'll put them into a rock tumbler and viola' -- beach glass! I'll sift it by size and use the larger pieces in a clear vase for forcing bulbs, etc. The smaller pieces I'll put into a pretty holder and add a little fragrance oil. Unfortunately, no ingenious ideas to add to the pot here. I just use the regular stackable, plastic storage boxes for scraps, as well as all the other paraphernalia, empty wrapping paper tubes for large patterns, ziplocks for foil, etc. But, I'm sure I'll learn something new from those brilliant suggestions we can always count on from this group! Actually, this brings a question to mind... I store my 6' strips of lead by bending a small hook over on the end and hanging them from a large nail in the wall. I use this storage method for both stretched and unstretched lead. Am I doing any damage to the lead by not storing it flat? Dawn > what creative storage ideas have you come up with? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:47:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:05:40 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.0540.0> References: <<1998Feb2.183413.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk When I assemble an oval or circular panel that does not have to fit exactly inside an opening of a window, I don't use a jig to assemble it. I just use horseshoe nails around the pieces to hold it all in place. Have I missed the boat somewhere, or are there others that do it this way??? Dawn >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a >piece of lead U came > Do any of you use a different product to hold your round designs >together as you work on them? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my site has been updated Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:43:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.21436.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 10:15:43 EST, Mike Savad wrote: << ok, i just updated my site for anyone who follows it. i added another 22 new links. 7 new projects added (though alot of them are on the simple side). the new pictures are much larger to look at. >> You already had a nice and informative site prior to the update...do you do anything else besides stained glass? Margaret ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 13:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:49:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!mjtaylor From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net> References: <<199801040441.UAA00361@smtp3.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? Don't answer that last one! In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:05:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'll bite on this one! I use those square plastic freezer boxes to store things like marbles, blobs, eye hooks, open foil rolls and any other little things. They come in various sizes, they stack well, they are cheap and sturdy, you can write on them, you can sorta see through them. I save the spools solder comes on, tie three or so together with copper wire or vinyl tape and use them to hold my paint brushes, glass cutters and pens in. I store my pattern pieces and cartoons in large ziplock baggies. I also use ziplock baggies to make up project packages when I'm doing crafts classes. (pre-cut glass, cartoon, foil) I use shot glasses to pour small amounts of chemicals in while working. You an find sets of 4 shot glasses at those "everything a dollar" stores, at least in the Southern USA. Now if I could just find a use for those spools the foil comes on... > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:27:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.122536.0> References: <<1998Feb2.6373.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carl Childers wrote: > > Every time I visit Mike Savad's pages, I start to think that I should > hang up the old soldering iron. The Azure box - WOW I thought the Fish > Lamp was complicated. > And you have a day job too?? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well... i do what i can... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:28:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 16:31:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.03111.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Very creative, Don. But..... > Now if I could just find a use for those spools the foil comes on... You must not have a cat or you would have an answer for that one! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:33:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:31:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.123130.0> References: <<9802028864.AA886447465@athgway.ath.umich.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu wrote: > > I am looking for advice, techniques and tips on building a chess/checker board > for my 11 year old son. Any advice on types of glass, square sizes, color > combinations, foil thicknesses, soldering, etc that anyone has would be welcome. > > I tried a sample one of 3/4" squares last night and other than cutting up my > thumb, it came out okay. Haven't foiled and soldered it yet though. Did it in a > tealish/white marble and solid cream colors. > > Thanks, > > Sue > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i made up a chess board on my project page. the squares are 1-1/2" wide, i used a 1" strip of glass as a border. then made another 1" border to make it 3-d, i believe i also put a support underneath, so it does'nt sink in the middle. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.123514.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TifStyOrig@aol.com wrote: > > Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good > container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > > Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing > glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex > boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > > Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio > in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about > here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with > to store those odd items. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass let's see.... i use thick cardboard tubes (about 6-15" long), to hold my morton strips and misc. tubes. i glue boards with hooks in them on the walls for box chain. i use fishing tackle boxes to hold onto small gems. and i keep magnets around to hold small metal things like pins, and razor blades. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 14:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:55:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:54:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.65437.0> References: <<9802028864.AA886447465@athgway.ath.umich.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu wrote: > > I am looking for advice, techniques and tips on building a chess/checker board Ask Mike, He has a beautful chess board shown at his site. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:10:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:57:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.22573.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 17:07:23 EST, Don wrote: << Now if I could just find a use for those spools the foil comes on... >> How about keeping a few and use as template/stencil to make a circle in a pattern? Diane :>) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:19:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.131740.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M.-J. Taylor wrote: > > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe it's a little of both... :) make has been coming in pretty well. today i must have gotten over 60 pieces. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:22:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:22:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: my site has been updated Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:20:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.132054.0> References: <<1998Feb2.21436.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Margaret41@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-02 10:15:43 EST, Mike Savad wrote: > > << ok, i just updated my site for anyone who follows it. i added another 22 > new links. > 7 new projects added (though alot of them are on the simple side). the > new pictures are much larger to look at. >> > > You already had a nice and informative site prior to the update...do you do > anything else besides stained glass? > > Margaret > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i can do other things. but in general, i do SG. if i had the equipment and the time i could do fine furniture work, or maybe fusing. in general i've always believed that a page online should have some value, and information. and not anything about my spam collection or what my cat had for breakfast. besides there's plenty of those pages... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:33:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:39:02 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Actually, I do have a cat, she just looks at them and goes off to find something noisier, more expensive and breakable. > You must not have a cat or you would have an answer for that one! Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 15:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:37:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:37:42 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202173742.007daa60@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 04:00 PM 2/2/98 PST, you wrote: >If I'm remembering correctly, Diane, the suggestion for the Kleenex >box was to stash small glass scraps in it. Yep, that's correct, I use those for the small pieces of glass that "some day I'll use to make mosaics" - LOL I've got them sorted more-or-less by colors, blues, greens, reds, pinks, white/clear, misc. The itty-bitty-bitty pieces that are even too small for that are now thrown into a jar on the workbench - used to throw them away, but I've started keeping them for who-knows-what use, esp. after Elisabeth or is it Elizabeth (whichever spelling has Toby, sorry, can't remember now which is which!) mentioned selling them to potters to use for glaze. I also saw something in a catalog the other day, a clear plastic picture frame that you can put objects in - I thought of getting one and putting all those glass scraps in it - could make an interesting frame! I use stackable drawers for bigger glass scraps, jewels, pressed flowers, filigrees, bevels, unopen foil, spare solder, suction cups, etc. etc. etc., and with the bigger drawers I use small containers of all kinds inside to keep like stuff together. The drawers are labelled with what's inside, and they're easier to me than using boxes which require lids to be taken off and put back on. Right now I just keep the came in the box it comes in from the mail order suppliers so that it stays straight, and lean it up against a corner by my workbench. Currently-used foil resides in those plastic foil dispensers, black-back in one and silver-back in a separate one; those dispensers plus currently-in-use flux, solder, cleaner, wax and the like go on a shelf above my workbench. Other misc. supplies go in the space underneath my workbench. I use upright metal file folder holders from the office supply for sheet glass of roughly 12" x 18" or less (sorted by colors), and larger sheets right now are just on the floor leaning against a shelf unit. I don't buy a lot of large sheets since I do smaller gift-market type items and don't need huge sheets of uncut glass. I keep most of my patterns and pattern pieces in vinyl holders in a notebook; for those patterns that are larger than the notebook, I keep them in a separate compartment of the file folder holders that hold the glass. All magazines and patterns books are in plastic magazine holder boxes. Well, enuff from me. I don't use anything really fancy, but I can pretty much put my hands on whatever I want because I know where it is. I've found that I pretty much have to keep everything put away because I don't have enough surface space left to leave it laying around! Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:03:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:02:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:01:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.8155.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I went to Staple and they have a large free standing metal letter holder. It cost $4.95 and it holdsup to 20) 1'X2' pieces of glass great. Half the price for the same thing you get at the glass supply(that is if you pay retail) places. I use plastic crates to hold my 1'X1' pieces of glass. You can get them on sale at wal-mart for $1.98 and they are great for holding all the blues and the reds and the greens etc. etc. My mother found me an artist utility holder(at a garage sale, she paid 50 cents for it), it is a double decker round twirly thing and it holds my tools, just great. Takes up square foot of space. I can hear it now, "How does a round thing take up a square". When I need temporary extra table surface, I just put up a card table. I also have a halogen lamp over my work surface and the base of the lamp is a desk caddy, which holds my stained glass tools. The scotch tape come in handy, great place for glue, flux brushes and marking pens and exacto knife. I bought a children clothes closet at wal-mart. The kind that has a closet on one side and 3 draws and three sleves on the other side and this is all one unit. It was made out of press board. I put shelves where the clothes were suppose to go. Put scrap glass in the drawers after I put dividers in the drawers(so I could keep all the colors separted(I know I am anal)). Then in the open shelves I kept supplies and works finished or in progress. Kept eveything in a neat combined,small space. Only one problem. The compressed wood could not hold the weight. The whole thing sagged in the middle, the bottom fell out of the drawers. Then you couldn't close the drawers or the door to the closet part. Now it takes up much needed space and holds very little. But it was a good idea! I know it can be braced, just haven't got around to it. I also use one of those little plastic tables(at wal-mart again), the kind you buy flat and then just stick the legs into the bottom of the table top. I put it near my work space and it gives me a second level. I originally put it there, so the cat could watch what I am doing without having to sit on what I am doing. But the cat soon got shoved away for the space it provided. Fred Meyers is selling a black, pueudowrought iron quilt stand for $35 right now. The sides are shaped like an S and it has four cross bars. Perfect for displaying or storing suncatchers. It is not extremely strong so balance will play a major role in using this. I am going to use it in my next show to display humming bird castings. Oak quilt stands make a nice display also. And if you are into making stepping stones, freddy's also sells plant stands, encased in white, green and black, plastic that make great stepping stone tables. They start at $14.95(10"surface,16" off the ground) to $45(connected triple 10" surfaces that fold into one another for storage). I think there are four sizes and/or shapes. I personnaly think they are great with the deck chairs. They add color and decor to your deck and can hold a single drink. If you do craft shows, you always need a fix-it box or a something to do box. I use a plastic under the bed, with a lid, storage box. I think they are still on sale this time of year. Stackable rubbermaid type boxes with lids are great for carting glass projects in. Put foam on the bottom and walls. Don't pack near the top, use plastic bubble wrap between projects and they travel, pack and unpact with ease. To display my 14" round stepping stones, I make a sandwich board. Cut a 4'X8' peices of plywood in half. Reinforce the back. Each side holds 9 stepping stones. Place 1/2 dowels to hold the stones. Before you put the dowels in, figure out placement and reinforce that area with 1"X2" and drill holes all the way through plywood and reinforcement. Then glue the dowel in place. The dowel should be 4" long. Leave the sides sparated. It is much lighter to carry around that way. Buy long bolts and just bolt sandwich board together at top. The slight angle of the sandwich board and gravity keeps the stones in place. My only problem with this at shows is keeping the kids out of the center. And that is easy to do. Drape the whole thing in material(just cut a hole in the material where the dowel needs to go through, the stones hide this and therefore it is not unslightly) and let the material drape over the ends. Then you can keep the kids out and you have a place to hide all your packing materials. I found the neatest thing to tie down this sandwich board on top to the car. Don't know what it is called. But it is a strap with a jack connected to it. Sure saves time and I think it's a better tie down than a rope. They are in the automotive/sports section at Wal-Mart. They are 5 times more expensive than rope. So they do constitute an investment, even at Wal-Mart! I have proof-read this, but I always miss something. So pardon my mistakes. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:28:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030021.TAB15568@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.83528.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Believe something is wrong on your end, there has been a lot of postings. Where is it dark? Dave M.-J. Taylor wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:33:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well... i do what i can... :) ---Mike Savad How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for what is often small gain. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:37:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:29:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.02920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:05:13 EST, you write: << Don't know what it is called. But it is a strap with a jack connected to it. Sure saves time and I think it's a better tie down >> If that is an elastic type of thing I call it a bungi cord. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:39:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.143814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- You shouldn't stand your came boxes upright- leave them lying flat. We have metal shelf brackets on the walls to stack the boxes the same way you would use a shelf on the brackets. Keeps the boxes out of the way, flat, accessible, and labels clearly visible. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:51:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:50:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:57:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.125721.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Yeah Mike, how 'bout it? Shirley Grapeland, Tx. BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199802030051.TAA17989@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. I just use push pins! However, each piece of glass usually needs two pushpins. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 16:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.145117.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > what is often small gain. > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:11:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202191144.007f0d00@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb2.143814.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>You shouldn't stand your came boxes >upright- leave them lying flat. Thanks, Dani! I had wondered about that....and Dawn, I think you asked the same question, too. One other question, I guess - WHY should they be flat and not upright? (Sorry, I have a hard time doing something without a good reason! LOL) Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:16:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:14:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 17:02:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.9246.0> References: <<1998Feb2.143814.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Steph- > > You shouldn't stand your came boxes > upright- leave them lying flat. My retailer uses gutters to display came in. Never paid any attention to how he attached it to the wall though. Dave you want to take it from here? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:17:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:59:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.85928.0> References: <<1998Feb3.02920.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > If that is an elastic type of thing I call it a bungi cord. No the strap is very sturdy, like a strap on a duffle bag. The jack it permenantly connected to one end of the strap. You slide the other end of the strap through the jack and then crank it tight, just like you would jack up a car. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:29:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:28:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:21:36 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.12136.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:43:27 EST, you write: << I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so .. >> Saturday had some but not the usual quantity and Sunday had even less. Monday was wonderful though....lots of postings. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:27:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.12745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 20:06:53 EST, you write: << hough other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt charge for that. >> MAYBE that is the only one in England that they have available where they have to pay by the minute. Mike, no one is asking you to stop participating, just snip and cut. A little consideration is all that is being ask of you....is that really asking too much? Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:47:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:27:08 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wow Shirley! Your essay on storage and show displays was great! I am very impressed. I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:50:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:47:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.154751.0> References: <<1998Feb2.9246.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > Michael J. Greer wrote: > > > > Hi Steph- > > > > You shouldn't stand your came boxes > > upright- leave them lying flat. > > My retailer uses gutters to display came in. Never paid any attention > to how he attached it to the wall though. > Dave you want to take it from here? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my guess would be that it's attached with gutter spikes. the older gutters used these giant spikes. the newer ons hang on with straps... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:54:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:51:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199802030051.TAA17989@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. I just use push pins! However, each piece of glass usually needs two pushpins. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 17:56:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: warwick.net!u1011375 From: Phil/Terri Fabiano To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Creative Storage Ideas Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:53:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.125336.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use one of those plastic boxes that has a ton of little drawers in it to hold my colored nuggets, castings, chain, jump rings, push pins for the Morton, etc. Terri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:05:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:51:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.145117.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > what is often small gain. > Bob > > ____ > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA > Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:22:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030021.TAB15568@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:36:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16829@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani! Thank you! Will contact you off-group... Would really, really want to explore Muslim designs much more. Totally disaccossiated from my Godson, had several e-mails from Architects etc in Turkey and elsewhere in the Muslim world last couple of weeks. Like I always wanted to try my hand at Celtic designs, I also want to try my hand at some of the Mulsim geometric designs (although I will probably curse every single cut). Sinan (my Godson) and I went to see the film "The Titanic" the other day. The visual effects were stunning; tomorrow he will be visiting the BBC, have a balloon ride over London, visiting the London Transport Museum and finish the evening by going to watch the musical "Starlight Express". His little (leaded) stained glass project is REALLY beginning to take shape and I am really quite proud of him! It's freezing here. Got to run, I have a dead-line of 10 days to deliver 1 of 2 panels. Will be in touch off-group! Thanks for your patience. Love from Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202185022.24df7832@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Diane, I have all sorts of styrofoam containers recycled from the vets.... The ones from large glucose bottles (6-8 large round holes i a square box) I use for seperating by color my glass nuggets... they stack well too. There are some little rectangular ones... I am not sure what came in them, that I keep my glass marking pens in (the kind you write on computor disks with) which need to be stored flat, along with an aluminum exacto blade handle that I use to smooth foil down with, etc. I use the cardboard boxes that my husband gets duplicate slides in to store all sorts of things.... I made a hole in a can and hung it on the peg board for pens and pencils which can be stored vertically....etc..... Anything that comes to hand, has a use if one can just think of it. I cut my own garden labels out of plastic gallon jugs (oops not glass) slap... Meg At 03:50 PM 2/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a= good >container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > >In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to >this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > >Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for= storing >glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square= kleenex >boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > >Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift= studio >in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn= about >here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up= with >to store those odd items. > >Diane Manchester >Tiffany Styled Originals >Delray Beach, FL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:36:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tour of English Stained Glass ... reduced! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16854@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The British Pound Sterling is pretty strong at the moment. It currently stands at about 1.73/4 US Dollars to the Pound, which still makes the cost of this trip extraordinarily expensive at approx. UK Sterling 2,240. For that price I would expect accommodation at the Claridges' Hotel. At prices like this, it would seem that the accommodation is more important than the content/purpose of the trip.And it lasts for 8 (eight) days - including arrival/departure days, which tend to be "dead" days anyhow. (So in effect 6 days....?). I have said this before. It's fine, if you have got money to burn. I just don't want anyone Across the Pond to think that this is a kind of a MINIMUM budget to give value for money. It isn't.(In UK this represents almost 3 months " middle average" salary. A lot of people earn perhaps UK Pounds 400 - 500 per month - just so that you get the perspective). I just would not like to think that anyone from Across the Pond, wishing to visit this little Island to get the impression that to see, experience, hearing about, learning about stained glass in UK requires this kind of budget. A lot of these high-light programmes/lectures/talks you listed in UK Albert, are free or at a quite nominal cost (even more so if in a group). . I myself have attended a number of them. That's All ..... "Starvers" and serious students of stained glass in UK, please do not be deterred or feel despondent. Julie Sloan will just adore me...! :-( Elisabeth in UK (steps off soap-box and wishes Julie the greatest of success!) Sorry , .....Toby sleeps! Not to be disturbed! Albert wrote: We just heard from the organizer of the tour of English stained glass, which will be led by Julie L. Sloan next July (11-19). They've asked the hotel and transportation people to sharpen their pencils and have, as a result, come up with a lower price for the tour: $3,870 (but members of the Guild get a 10% discount, so they'll need to come up with only $3,480.) Okay, it seems like a lot of money, but it includes good hotels, excellent transportation, and great food. Not to mention Julie Sloan's expertise and undivided attention, plus you'll get together with Sarah Brown, author of "Glass Painters," "Stained Glass: An Illustrated History," and "Life, Death and Art: The Medieval Stained Glass of Fairford Parish Church." Michael Coles, a glass historian who has been a consultant for English Heritage, the equivalent of The National Trust for Historic Preservation in the United States. Sarianne Durie, renowned stained glass artist and restorer ... and a member of The Art Workers Guild. Martin Harrison, well-known author of "Victorian Stained Glass." Susan Matthews, Director of the Stained Glass Museum at Ely Cathedral. Malcolm Pollard, a leading authority on the glass of William Morris. and Stephen Wildman, an expert in English Victorian glass and the work of the Pre-Raphaelites. Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/tour/ and you'll see what I mean about this being a great event that you won't want to miss. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:48:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.83528.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Believe something is wrong on your end, there has been a lot of postings. Where is it dark? Dave M.-J. Taylor wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:49:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:45:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.24558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only thing I have different from the already listed ideas is an expandable portfolio for my patterns. I file them alphabetically, and number them as well since I have about 8 angel patterns. I keep the cut up pieces in a regular letter size envelope with the name and number and number of pieces written on it (in case I lose any) and insert them in the same compartment. For the patterns that don't have names I label them Flat 1, etc, Oval flower 1, etc. This way when I want a pattern I know exactly where to look. I won't take credit for this idea though, my partner was sick of seeing patterns laying all over the house and bought it for me for Christmas. Also the Dollar Store has all kinds of great clear boxes with compartments to sort smaller scraps of glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:49:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3x within 3 hours? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hope your message got to someone > besides the bungi crowd! ;-) Yeah, I noticed that flub on my part. Hard to imagine, isn't it, myself making a dumb mistake like that? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 18:51:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:50:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany lamps Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.10521.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No Idea about the loop. An oddysey catalog or worden catalog may show a like image. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:20:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:13:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.131353.0> References: <<1998Feb2.85928.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > The jack it permenantly connected to one end of the strap. You slide the > other end of the strap through the jack and then crank it tight, just > like you would jack up a car. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe these are called tie down straps, and are used to strap down things say on semi's or flatbeds. Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:20:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 22:21:52 -0500 Message-ID: <199802030319.WAA27459@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into >your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to >keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I >worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? (Disclaimer: I can speak only for myself and my two cats!) They have had free roam of the studio from the get-go. Not one accident in over ten years. No glass in paws, etc. I do watch they don't flick their tails on my fluxed work and I try to keep them at bay when soldering (have read that fumes can settle on their fur then they lick it off). They are healthy, happy cats and most times just like to perch on a counter and watch me. Also they love to bite and chew at the copper foil backing as it rolls out of the foiler, and sit under the gooseneck lamp soaking up the warmth. Some of my students aren't happy with cats so in those cases I put them in another room; much to their dismay. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:31:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:31:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.113116.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Am I > worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > > Sarah I can only speak for my 7 cats. They go where they want when they want. So far have been very lucky. No cuts. and I have glass everywhere. The only time I intervene is if they are settling in the concrete or sniffing in the flux or about to pounce on the soldering iron. Otherwise they are content to be curled up as long as they can be close. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:49:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:33, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030021.TAB15568@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 19:59:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:58:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Dudley246 From: Dudley246@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:41:15 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.34115.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I got a ?? about leadfree solder!!Can it be used in stained glass projects,such as panels? And besides it being leadfree is there any other difference in it,than the solder I'm using now?? (60-40) Thanks,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:06:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:05:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030405.UAA21196@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here's some information on chess boards that may be of some help. Choose your men first, then make the board. The diameter of the base of the largest piece (the king) should be about three-quarters the width of the square. The standard size of a square on a board is 2 inches. Squares that are to small may make it difficult to grasp the pieces. If the board is to large, you may have to stretch when playing. Also consider colors other than black and white which may be tiring on the eyes. Possibly brown, or green, with cream. If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. P-K4 Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:15:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202185022.24df7832@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Diane, I have all sorts of styrofoam containers recycled from the vets.... The ones from large glucose bottles (6-8 large round holes i a square box) I use for seperating by color my glass nuggets... they stack well too. There are some little rectangular ones... I am not sure what came in them, that I keep my glass marking pens in (the kind you write on computor disks with) which need to be stored flat, along with an aluminum exacto blade handle that I use to smooth foil down with, etc. I use the cardboard boxes that my husband gets duplicate slides in to store all sorts of things.... I made a hole in a can and hung it on the peg board for pens and pencils which can be stored vertically....etc..... Anything that comes to hand, has a use if one can just think of it. I cut my own garden labels out of plastic gallon jugs (oops not glass) slap... Meg At 03:50 PM 2/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a= good >container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > >In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to >this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > >Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for= storing >glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square= kleenex >boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > >Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift= studio >in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn= about >here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up= with >to store those odd items. > >Diane Manchester >Tiffany Styled Originals >Delray Beach, FL >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > REMEMBER: "Bats bite bugs best!" =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF? Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde, Puntarenas COSTA RICA phone 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:13:59, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030413.XAA11804@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Some of my students aren't happy with cats so in those cases I put them in another room; much to their dismay. Suzanne Good for you Suzanne! People that do not like cats belong in another room.;) My Freeway has been a studio cat for ten years. He has never cut himself, broken a piece of glass and does not seem to be suffering from lead poisoning. He often sleeps on my workbenches and licks his coat like any cat. The record will show that I am concerned about lead and other studio hazards but my cat's experience does not seem to bear the problem out. I say get a cat at all costs. Bob Ps: Digger does not have any problems although he has broken glass that was in the way. He is a 5.5 year old German Shepherd. ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: Dave & Lynn Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: OOOh, it's dark in here! Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:35:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.83528.0> References: <<3.0.5.32.19980202164831.007d2d10@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Believe something is wrong on your end, there has been a lot of postings. Where is it dark? Dave M.-J. Taylor wrote: > Hi! > > I don't think I've had any messages in a day or so ... is the list down, > was I somehow unsubbed, is it really just this quiet, or am I nuts? > > Don't answer that last one! > > In the dark here, (there's a storm coming) > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass -- ____________________ Dave & Lynn Loda Art Glass of Wenatchee http://artglassw.com Stained Glass Gifts & Supplies ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:38:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:37:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: 3x within 3 hours? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183625.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert writes: "Hard to imagine, isn't it, myself making a dumb mistake like that?" Ah, but it makes you all the more = human, Albert. At least you didn't = ask to be removed. Can you the imagine the onslaught of mail?! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:37:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183642.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- The less tightly packed the lead is in the box, the more it will stretch to the bottom of the box by virtue of gravity and its own weight... pretty soon you'll end up with half the = length of the lead kinked up at the lower section - this is what you're = trying to avoid, but standing the box on end eventually contributes to the problem. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:39:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:26:55 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.42655.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:05:13 EST, you write: << also use one of those little plastic tables(at wal-mart again), the kind you buy flat and then just stick the legs into the bottom of the table top. I put it near my work space and it gives me a second level. I originally put it there, so the cat could watch what I am doing without having to sit on what I am doing. But the cat soon got shoved away for the space it provided. >> The Truth Is Out of the bag........from the looks of it, after reading the Bungi Mail it seems that Cats have an affinity for stained glass. I know my cat always comes to supervise and comment on how the work is going..and it seems that she is not alone in her interests. Come to think of it, three glass supply studios that I frequent all have cats. Hmmmmmm...... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:44:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:44:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.183634.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah- We have three studio cats who live at the = shop and they're pretty savvy - haven't = had any problems with glass ever although old Miss Agatha had to be rushed into = emergency years ago for spilling a container of turpentine on her front paws, then cleaning herself. Of course, we try to keep things relatively swept and vacuumed for OUR sakes as well. Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:48:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:33:06, -0500 Message-ID: <199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well... i do what i can... :) ---Mike Savad How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for what is often small gain. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:49:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:48:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:48:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.184816.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I seem to be getting posts in duplicate and triplicate again... anyone else? Bob says: "People who do not like cats belong in another room." = Too hysterical, Bob. Michael and I are still laughing ourselves silly!;-0 We, too, have a "pregnant" male cat! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 20:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:37:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:29:20 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.02920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 19:05:13 EST, you write: << Don't know what it is called. But it is a strap with a jack connected to it. Sure saves time and I think it's a better tie down >> If that is an elastic type of thing I call it a bungi cord. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:04:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Cats and glass Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:03:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202230340.00818480@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb3.42655.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Same here.....I've got 5 cats, and at any given time at least 2 of them are uusally in my workroom with me. I do not let them up on the workbench, though...mainly because it's not all that big and I need all the space! They love the windowsills, and I have some boxes on the bottom of a shelf unit that have enough room between the top of the box and the bottom of the above shelf for them to curl up on. Of course, one of them also likes laying on the floor RIGHT behind me, so I'm constantly tripping over her! Steph ~ >The Truth Is Out of the bag........from the looks of it, after reading the >Bungi Mail it seems that Cats have an affinity for stained glass. I know my >cat always comes to supervise and comment on how the work is going..and it >seems that she is not alone in her interests. Come to think of it, three glass >supply studios that I frequent all have cats. Hmmmmmm...... ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:07:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:06:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Storing Came Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:05:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980202230540.0081eae0@glasstreasures.com> References: <<1998Feb2.183642.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >The less tightly packed the lead is in the box, the more it will stretch to the bottom of the box by virtue of gravity and its own weight... pretty soon you'll end up with half the length of the lead kinked up at the lower section - this is what you're trying to avoid, but standing the box on end eventually contributes to the problem. Ah....makes sense....perhaps I should have specified I only have zinc came. Is there the same problem with zinc? Steph ~ ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:07:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:07:22 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030507.VAA00279@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >>For a layout guide on round and oval pieces I have always used a piece >>of lead U came and secured it into place with push pins. Do any of you >>use a different product to hold your round designs together as you work >>on them? I feel as if I'm wasting a lot of lead came with my method. > >I just use push pins! However, each piece of glass usually needs two >pushpins. > >Suzanne I have a few templates made out of thin plywood, thick cardboard or whatever I had around at the time e.g. 16 x 20" oval which is a size I use quite often. I then grind the pieces to fit into the frame, then reassemble there after foiling, tack solder, remove the template and finish the piece. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:10:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.143814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- You shouldn't stand your came boxes upright- leave them lying flat. We have metal shelf brackets on the walls to stack the boxes the same way you would use a shelf on the brackets. Keeps the boxes out of the way, flat, accessible, and labels clearly visible. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 21:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:48:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:55:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.175515.0> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Thank you, Dani! I've been rebooting everything in sight thinking it was us. Not only am I getting multi-posts, but some are "missing in action". Must be El Nino. Shirley Suter Grapeland, Tx. Dani Greer wrote: > > I seem to be getting posts in > duplicate and triplicate again... > anyone else? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:15:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:15:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:23:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030523.VAA03422@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >>I have a question for those of you with pet cats...Do you let your cat into >>your workspace? My cat tries desperately to come in and I always try to >>keep her out, as I am afraid that she'll get glass in her paws. Am I >>worrying too much...do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > My cat door is in the studio under the main work bench...Mousey is constantly in and out. She's never knocked anything over or injured herself in any way. Like others' cats she's very adept at walking around whatever's on the table, and does like to watch. Mostly she gets upset when I shove the hose for my venting system out through the cat door when I'm soldering...she's either in or out for the duration then. As far as my dog goes, I think she just wishes I'd spend more time at the beach with her than I do in the studio. She's learned to stay well clear whenever I'm moving full sheets or completed panels. It's about the only time she's not underfoot. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:32:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.201041.0> References: <<1998Feb2.42248.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a technique for making irregular layout jigs for any shape panel and it is sort of automatic. I always draw my patterns on poster board. I cut up the poster board into patterns to draw around and mark my glass. If I want a layout jig, I just draw the pattern in the middle of the sheet of poster board, then I cut the shape right out of the center of the poster board while keeping the outline intact. Then I build up patches of masking tape , about 6 layers thick, on the back of the poster board, about every two inches. The masking tape holds the poster board about 1/16 of an inch above the table so that it is deep enough to hold my glass in. It is always a perfect fit too, because it came right from around the actual original pattern! Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:34:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:33:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: my cat deceased Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.143434.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too, used to have a shop cat....large warm light table major perch for her. She died of old age at 16+ years. We used to chase mice and shrews in the shop....fun for her, exercise for me, tough on the mice! As for glass in the paws....never noticed any. I sometimes work or walk around in the shop in stocking or bare feet. No chips have my feet picked up yet, major point....do NOT shuffle. Also keep no aids to staunch bleeding in my shop...bleeding is not acceptable! Cuts are not badges of honor. The kitchen is a much more dangerous place than a glass shop! enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 22:43:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:43:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:42:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.204225.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bungians, 1. My pegboard is a lifesaver for storage attach hooks in pegboard and hang ziploc bags for small stuff, see thru and easy to find everything. Plus I hang most of my tools when not in use...LOL 2. I attached an old toothbrush holders and hang various small items from there. 3.I ran across a heavy fiberboard small bar with drawers,cupboard and winebottle sections...Grinder sits on top...best thing I ever purchase for $20.00.(Garage Sale) 4.Your local fruit and vegetable market usually has small wooden sided boxes, cardboard on the bottom, ( lettuce and other perishables come in those) that fit small pieces of glass perfectly and usually they are FREE if you ask. 5. Saw horses with plexiglass on top, with a small fluorescence stick light on the floor for coordinating color combinations. 6. I love the ideas about gutters but I have plastic plumbing and put came in there and is placed across garage door hanger hinges at the back. That's all I can think of so far... Jill jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:50:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:57:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.125721.0> References: <<199802030033.TAA18478@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Yeah Mike, how 'bout it? Shirley Grapeland, Tx. BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > well... i do what i can... :) > > ---Mike Savad > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16829@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani! Thank you! Will contact you off-group... Would really, really want to explore Muslim designs much more. Totally disaccossiated from my Godson, had several e-mails from Architects etc in Turkey and elsewhere in the Muslim world last couple of weeks. Like I always wanted to try my hand at Celtic designs, I also want to try my hand at some of the Mulsim geometric designs (although I will probably curse every single cut). Sinan (my Godson) and I went to see the film "The Titanic" the other day. The visual effects were stunning; tomorrow he will be visiting the BBC, have a balloon ride over London, visiting the London Transport Museum and finish the evening by going to watch the musical "Starlight Express". His little (leaded) stained glass project is REALLY beginning to take shape and I am really quite proud of him! It's freezing here. Got to run, I have a dead-line of 10 days to deliver 1 of 2 panels. Will be in touch off-group! Thanks for your patience. Love from Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:15:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:36:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tour of English Stained Glass ... reduced! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199802030235.CAA16854@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The British Pound Sterling is pretty strong at the moment. It currently stands at about 1.73/4 US Dollars to the Pound, which still makes the cost of this trip extraordinarily expensive at approx. UK Sterling 2,240. For that price I would expect accommodation at the Claridges' Hotel. At prices like this, it would seem that the accommodation is more important than the content/purpose of the trip.And it lasts for 8 (eight) days - including arrival/departure days, which tend to be "dead" days anyhow. (So in effect 6 days....?). I have said this before. It's fine, if you have got money to burn. I just don't want anyone Across the Pond to think that this is a kind of a MINIMUM budget to give value for money. It isn't.(In UK this represents almost 3 months " middle average" salary. A lot of people earn perhaps UK Pounds 400 - 500 per month - just so that you get the perspective). I just would not like to think that anyone from Across the Pond, wishing to visit this little Island to get the impression that to see, experience, hearing about, learning about stained glass in UK requires this kind of budget. A lot of these high-light programmes/lectures/talks you listed in UK Albert, are free or at a quite nominal cost (even more so if in a group). . I myself have attended a number of them. That's All ..... "Starvers" and serious students of stained glass in UK, please do not be deterred or feel despondent. Julie Sloan will just adore me...! :-( Elisabeth in UK (steps off soap-box and wishes Julie the greatest of success!) Sorry , .....Toby sleeps! Not to be disturbed! Albert wrote: We just heard from the organizer of the tour of English stained glass, which will be led by Julie L. Sloan next July (11-19). They've asked the hotel and transportation people to sharpen their pencils and have, as a result, come up with a lower price for the tour: $3,870 (but members of the Guild get a 10% discount, so they'll need to come up with only $3,480.) Okay, it seems like a lot of money, but it includes good hotels, excellent transportation, and great food. Not to mention Julie Sloan's expertise and undivided attention, plus you'll get together with Sarah Brown, author of "Glass Painters," "Stained Glass: An Illustrated History," and "Life, Death and Art: The Medieval Stained Glass of Fairford Parish Church." Michael Coles, a glass historian who has been a consultant for English Heritage, the equivalent of The National Trust for Historic Preservation in the United States. Sarianne Durie, renowned stained glass artist and restorer ... and a member of The Art Workers Guild. Martin Harrison, well-known author of "Victorian Stained Glass." Susan Matthews, Director of the Stained Glass Museum at Ely Cathedral. Malcolm Pollard, a leading authority on the glass of William Morris. and Stephen Wildman, an expert in English Victorian glass and the work of the Pre-Raphaelites. Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/tour/ and you'll see what I mean about this being a great event that you won't want to miss. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:48:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:45:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.24558.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only thing I have different from the already listed ideas is an expandable portfolio for my patterns. I file them alphabetically, and number them as well since I have about 8 angel patterns. I keep the cut up pieces in a regular letter size envelope with the name and number and number of pieces written on it (in case I lose any) and insert them in the same compartment. For the patterns that don't have names I label them Flat 1, etc, Oval flower 1, etc. This way when I want a pattern I know exactly where to look. I won't take credit for this idea though, my partner was sick of seeing patterns laying all over the house and bought it for me for Christmas. Also the Dollar Store has all kinds of great clear boxes with compartments to sort smaller scraps of glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:49:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3x within 3 hours? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:57:17 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hope your message got to someone > besides the bungi crowd! ;-) Yeah, I noticed that flub on my part. Hard to imagine, isn't it, myself making a dumb mistake like that? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:30:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:50:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Tiffany lamps Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:52:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.10521.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk No Idea about the loop. An oddysey catalog or worden catalog may show a like image. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:39:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994 Subject: Fwd: Re: Tiffany Lamp Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:36:01 -0800 Message-ID: <199802030736.XAA10213@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Guess this missed getting sent. Andrew --WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:16:26 -0800 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tiffany Lamp Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) For those wondering about the prices of Tiffany's lamps... The following is taken from the Industry News section of US Glass, January 1998 A Tiffany lamp sold for $2,807,500.00 at a Christie's auction in December, shattering the record for a work by the prestigious glass studio. According to "Reuters" report, the pink lotus lamp was sold to an anonymous buyer after an estimated $2.5 million to $3.5 million during the auction house's 20th-century decorative arts sale. The report adds that price also set a new world auction record for any 20th-century decorative arts object. The auction house had billed the lamp as "the most magnificent and important leaded glass lamp ever offered ay auction. Now, I wonder where I should put it! :-) Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio --WebTV-Mail-1488477025-16994-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Feb 2 23:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:42:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts (Shirley) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 01:44:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980203014428.007c7140@ictc.com> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley, Thanks!! Best laugh I've had in awhile! Keep that sense of humor here... I appreciate it. Dale Not only am I getting multi-posts, but >some are "missing in action". Must be El Nino. > >Shirley Suter >Grapeland, Tx. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The Banker's House 305 4th St N PO Box 113 Buffalo, North Dakota "Society often forgives the criminal: it never forgives the dreamer." $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 00:23:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:22:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 00:21:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.162157.0> References: <<1998Feb3.24558.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I keep the cut up pieces in a > regular letter size envelope with the name and number and number of pieces > written on it (in case I lose any) and insert them in the same compartment. Use zip lock bags instead of envelopes and you never have to worry about losing pattern pieces again. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 01:09:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:08:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:11:27 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.91127.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 20:27 02/02/98 EST, yLu Ann wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-02 20:06:53 Mike wrote: > ><< hough other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. >> > >MAYBE that is the only one in England that they have available where they have >to pay by the minute. Mike, no one is asking you to stop participating, just >snip and cut. A little consideration is all that is being ask of you....is >that really asking too much? > Thanks for the support Lu Ann - the situation here in UK is that although some ISP's allow unlimited time through them on the internet - at a far higher cost than those who allow say 3 hours free and any time over at about 4 dollars an hour, we are still charged for our phone calls by the phone companies - whichever one we are using, so any ISP charges are in addition to the basic cost of using the phone lines. Hopefully with a little more competition - it is being suggested that one day we will be able to access the WWW and internet via our electricity cable (I think) or through our cable TV supplier - the costs will come down in the future. As is, I download my email (75 today thanks to lots of bungi input, keep it coming) and read/respond off line, then log back on and send all my messages, so I keep the cost down. But the cost of being on line does limit my participation in live chat groups and putting in my 6 penn'orth on bulletin boards - so perhaps its not a bad thing ;-) Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 01:22:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:21:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:24:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.9246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 19:38 02/02/98 -0500, Dani wrote: >You shouldn't stand your came boxes >upright- leave them lying flat. We have >metal shelf brackets on the walls to stack the >boxes the same way you would use a >shelf on the brackets. If you dont buy enough lead came to build up a stock of lead boxes for storage, how about using drainpipe and guttering (what we in UK call the plastic tubes and C section stuff used to carry rainwater from the roof to the drains) Our students and other customers often surprise our neighbours by arriving looking as if they are jobbing plumbers (especially the 60+ year old ladies) clutching these plastic tubes which are great for transporting lead - even strapped on top of a small car - and you can use the attachment clips for the c section guttering to fix several on the wall to seperate different profiles of lead came Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 02:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:46:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:45:41 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104541.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 23:51:54 EST, you write: << I seem to be getting posts in duplicate and triplicate again... anyone else? >> yes, Dani, I too am getting duplicates and triplicates, which wouldn't be too bad of a thing except one of them is my response to the fastener strap that Shirley ask about and I identified it wrong, so, I certainly don't like being mistaken once let alone 2 or 3 times (laughing). I am enjoying your pregnant male cat issue as much as I enjoyed the interpretation of who was sent to the other room. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 02:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:58:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:08:35 -0600 Message-ID: <199802031055.EAA22690@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match >the size of the pieces. Good morning , Can this thread evolve into a discussion on SG chess pieces? designing and fabbing SG chess pieces has been on my list of "projects that I probably will never do in a million years but still enjoy thinking about once in a while" My design ideas have never gotten past basic pyramidal shaped pieces for the pawns What knowledge does bungi have on this subject? Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 02:59:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my cat deceased Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:58:58 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.105858.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 01:35:27 EST, you write: << No chips have my feet picked up yet, major point....do NOT shuffle. >> << We used to chase mice and shrews in the shop....fun for her, exercise for me, tough on the mice!>> I have been missing your humor of late!! Thank you, I needed a good laugh this morning. I find your humor so much like my father's, who is retired with my mother in Florida. Talk to them often but it's not the same as having them close by. Your humor is wonderful. I look forward to your posts whether they be humorous or serious. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 04:12:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:11:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.2113.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Better than zip lock bags... I buy the see-thru bags that collectors = store comic books in and I store cartoons and matching cutout mylar = patterns for projects that I have done. That way I have everything ready = should I want to do another one. I have a 5" binder that I store ideas, tips that I have down loaded from = the net and directions for equipment like the grinder and the = scoreboard. Linda ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 04:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:37:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Q about layout guides Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:31:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.23159.0> References: <<1998Feb2.201041.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Such a simple, but good idea. Thanks Gary. Susan dodgestudio@juno.com wrote: > > I have a technique for making irregular layout jigs for any shape panel > and it is sort of automatic. > > I always draw my patterns on poster board. I cut up the poster board > into patterns to draw around and mark my glass. If I want a layout jig, > I just draw the pattern in the middle of the sheet of poster board, then > I cut the shape right out of the center of the poster board while keeping > the outline intact. Then I build up patches of masking tape , about 6 > layers thick, on the back of the poster board, about every two inches. > The masking tape holds the poster board about 1/16 of an inch above the > table so that it is deep enough to hold my glass in. It is always a > perfect fit too, because it came right from around the actual original > pattern! > > Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:42:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:42:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 08:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <9802038865.AA886513295@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was looking at this one for more of a checker board for my kids. They love to play with the blobs at the store and have picked out green and yellow to use in place of checkers on their board. This was just an experiment with scrap glass I had in my box:)) _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Chess Boards From: at internet-mail Date: 2/2/98 7:21 PM Whatever you do do not use solder containing lead. Lead free solder from the hardware store will do the trick. I understand that younger developing people are less tollerant of lead than older people that do not need any. I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match the size of the pieces. 3/4" seems small. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:49:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 13:51:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199802031348.NAA00079@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike S wrote >though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt >charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've >seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding >to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > > >---Mike Savad Mike, Those of us in the UK have to pay the phone charges to connect to our ISPs (no free local calls here!) Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:52:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb2.234440.0> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > I seem to be getting posts in > duplicate and triplicate again... > anyone else? > YES! -- Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 05:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:53:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:53:01 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13531.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 08:49:08 EST, you write: << This was just an experiment with scrap glass I had in my box:)) >> Yes, but look at all the interest there is in chessboards and now it's gone on to the actual chess pieces, all being made out of glass. This is something I've been pondering myself, as it seems, so have a few others. Thanks for getting it started. Lu Ann ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:00:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:59:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: glasstreasures.com!sgt From: Stephanie Hansen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Malcolm Miller - US visit Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:59:05 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980203075905.007d5d10@glasstreasures.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This may be a duplicate post, but I never saw the original come through and felt it was worth sending again. My apologies if it's a repeat. A subscriber to my web site e-mail list sent me this...I think it was mentioned on the list before, but now that it's only a couple of weks away, I thought a reminder wouldn't hurt. Anybody in the area who goes - enjoy it for the rest of us!! "I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of Chartres. For more info you can contact Pam Greaves at (978)745-3050 (parish secretary). " Steph ~ P.S. to Elisabeth (spelled it right this time!) - my subscriber sent this to me because she saw the bit on your reaction to Chartres that you graciously allowed me to add to my site - thanks again! ----------------------------------- Stephanie Hansen - Stained Glass Treasures/Dallas, TX Affordable stained glass pieces for gifts or personal use Enter the sweepstakes to win a stained glass suncatcher! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:03:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:02:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: 3 Feb 1998 09:00:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.408.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE>Creative Storage! 2/3/98 One thing I have found that works great for storing & using glass tools (ie. cutters push pins, rulers, breaking pliers & such) is an under the desk computer key board tray. I had one left after changing to a new computer table(which came with one) . SO I mounted the old one on the under side of my work bench and it's wonderful. It has a little flip up draw which I store my cutters, push pins, razor blades and layout blocks in . And then the flat space where the keyboard would sit I place all my hand tools. This way they are not all over my work bench but at the same time right where I can reach them with one hand if necessary. And it slides under the bench top so it doesn't take up any space. If you have limited space and you can lay your hands one of these draws, it works great! Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu -------------------------------------- Date: 2/2/98 4:08 PM To: Connie Jewell From: glass@bungi.com Received: by mail1.ciwemb.edu with SMTP;2 Feb 1998 16:07:10 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Creative Storage! Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:50:11 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb2.205011.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with to store those odd items. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:04:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:03:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 08:58:20 EST Message-ID: <980203.090244.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb2.162157.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We are going to 9 x 12 envelopes and putting a picture of the pattern on the outside of the envelope. We too have many roses and angels, etc. and I'm not going to remember if rose 3 or rose 5 is the one I want. This way, they'll fit nicely into the file cabinet and we'll be able to see immediately if we have what we want. My husband is presently running up our popular patterns on Glass Eye, so we'l be cross-referncing to disk, too. This will allow us to rescale patterns easily and to take that butterfly and this flower and put them together in a new pattern. (he's getting very good at it, BTW) Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 06:45:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:44:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:43:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.74313.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk I, too, am receiving everything in triplicate today! And I thought it was just my popularity increasing. . . .Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:04:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:03:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.5115.0> References: <<1998Feb2.175515.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: > > Thank you, Dani! I've been rebooting everything in sight > thinking it was us. Not only am I getting multi-posts, but > some are "missing in action". Must be El Nino. > > Shirley Suter > Grapeland, Tx. > > Dani Greer wrote: > > > > I seem to be getting posts in > > duplicate and triplicate again... > > anyone else? > ---- i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:12:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.5111.0> References: <<199802031055.EAA22690@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk len alcamo wrote: > > >I believe the size of the squares in a chess board are cut to match > >the size of the pieces. > > Good morning , > > Can this thread evolve into a discussion on SG chess pieces? designing and > fabbing SG chess pieces has been on my list of "projects that I probably > will never do in a million years but still enjoy thinking about once in a > while" > > My design ideas have never gotten past basic pyramidal shaped pieces for > the pawns > > What knowledge does bungi have on this subject? > > Len > > ---- i've thought about it from time to time these are the only things i could come up with (and currently i may not have the sources to do it): using flat glass, cornered up on it self. like thos ugly 3-d flowers. the center would be solid, and the sides would hold the center up, over the top it would form a plus sign. if i knew how to carve, i could make a cast and make it out of metal like bronze. i've seen chess pieces done in blown glass, though not terribly usable large marbles with flat bottoms could work, each one would have it's symbol inside surrounded by clear. the knight would have a horse head in it, etc. small slumped glass things could be made up. either by having a split slump and soldering the seam. or by slumping it into a mold of some kind, though that may look like a ghost when done. other than that, checkers is about the easiest thing to make. another intresting board i found was this battle chess board thing http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Battle/Battle-chess.html it's different anyway. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:19:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: creative storage Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:17:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.01738.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk Hi All, Can you use one more for creative storage? I don't have the Pringle can but I do have Crystal Light cans. When I have strips of half inch wide and long glass strips I break them into half inch squares and use the Crystal Light cans to store them in. The cans are marked with the color and I have pre-made mosaic pieces when I need them. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:25:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.52441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane Manchester asked about creative storage ideas. For storing small stuff like push pens, etc., I have an old spice rack with the 10 little bottles. I have that hanging on the wall right next to my soldering table. I store small pieces of glass in old 4.25" computer diskette boxes. For larger pieces I store them in old LP record racks or old computer mainframe tape storage racks. Can you tell I used to be a computer nerd in my former life? Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:39:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:38:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:30:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13032.0> References: <<199802011654.LAA27920@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Hi, I found a 3 paned barn window frame in my barn a couple months back, and I would love to incorporate some glasswork in it! I figure with the barn siding craze, I actually might be able to sell it! The outside diameter of the frame is 14.25" x 28.00" Each of the openings are 8.00" x 10.00". The depth is 1/2". I am wondering if I should put a different farm animal in each one or possibly a different flower in each one, and how much should I charge? I know I asked about pricing last week, and might sound tedious. Should I add the total dimension (frame included) and go by the sq. inch? Also would I use points to hold the panels in? Thanks for bearing with me! Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:40:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:39:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!artglass From: "Dianne G. Maddison" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cats and glass Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:38:25 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.03825.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Ivory Express Precedence: bulk I too have studio cats and they rule. Most of the time they lay on my pattern on the light table where it's warm. Usually they lay right where I'm working and get indignant when I have to move them. I couldn't work, though, without their participation. Also, back to the Tiffany...good idea to look at Worden and Odessey patterns. I don't recall anything that looks like the shade that I have. It is not really intricate so I'm really curious as to who could have made it. Thanks for the input. Dianne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 07:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:42:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mindspring.com!kristc From: Kris To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD308F.D2D56960" Subject: RE: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.53727.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD308F.D2D56960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I'm new here and really enjoying the discussions. Mom gave me her supplies, including some dish drainer racks that are very handy for storing smaller sheets of glass. Kris PS Hi neighbor (sort of) I'm in Sarasota :) In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? 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I wonder if you could make some molds of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible colors. But, it's an idea. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 08:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:24:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.62650.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For the past week I have been getting multiple postings, not just of = bungi, of everything. Our computer gurus say that my computer is not = deleting things from the main server once my computer downloads it. I = figured it was a local problem. I don't think that it could be anything = that bungi is doing but it sure is odd that others are having similar = problems. Linda Campbell Nadine said I, too, am receiving everything in triplicate today! And I thought it was just my popularity increasing. . . .Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 08:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:40:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: GSA-ORSP.CROWN.NWU.EDU!kaye From: "Kaye Sodt" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:40:55 CST 6CDT Message-ID: <1970Jan1.000.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: GSA-ORSP Precedence: bulk I do have Crystal Light cans. ---- Me too. I use the little individual tubs for small amounts of patina or flux (to avoid contaminating the big bottle) but now I think I like the film canister idea better (just got a 35mm camera for Christmas). I keep a big Crystal Light can in my bird seed--works great for refilling my bird feeders (sorry, not glass-related). My intended-someday-for-mosaics scraps have been accumulating in a little plastic box, but it's almost full. And I can see how color-sorting would be a plus. Thanks for that idea! I have some old metal shelving (Sears) that has been taken apart and reassembled countless times. When originally purchased it was bookcases in my college apartment(s). I'm happy to report that many years later it is no longer a fixture of my living room, but is now used in a corner of the basement to store glass. Right now there are just stacks (of color groups) between layers of newspaper. I have plans to eventually get racks so I can store it vertically. My local retailer has recently added a wall to divide some space in the studio. He left the end of the wall open and stored his various sizes of zinc and copper in heavy cardboard tubes stacked inside the wall. I have a milk crate than holds pendaflex hanging files. I use them to keep smaller patterns, keeper tips from bungi, ideas clipped from magazines and catalogs, info on glass places to visit when traveling, etc. Kaye ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:16:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:15:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:16:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199802031708.JAA15009@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I use the little individual tubs for small amounts of patina > or flux (to avoid contaminating the big bottle) but now I think I > like the film canister idea better (just got a 35mm camera for > Christmas). > Kaye --------------- Several of you have mentioned using the empty film canisters for flux (I use little jars the size of baby food jars). I would question if there might not be a problem with chemical reaction between the flux and the plastic containers? Anyone have any ideas on this? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:23:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:07:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.21711.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We use clear plastic ice cream tubs for storing glass and gift wrap tubes for storing patterns. ---------- > > Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good > container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > > Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing > glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex > boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > > Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio > in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about > here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with > to store those odd items. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:40:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:36:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts & Studio cats Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:22:49 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.212249.0> References: <<1998Feb2.184816.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, triplicate-no wonder so many messages when I opened my box, half are repeats. ---------- > > I seem to be getting posts in > duplicate and triplicate again... > anyone else? > > Bob says: > > "People who do not like cats belong > in another room." = > > > Too hysterical, Bob. Michael and I > are still laughing ourselves silly!;-0 > We, too, have a "pregnant" male > cat! > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:36:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Not doing badly! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:32:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 21:50:40 EST, you write: << Would really, really want to explore Muslim designs much more. >> I would be interested as well in some Muslim designs. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 09:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:52:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:40:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17400.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-02 23:09:46 EST, you write: << If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. >> Where can this be purchased? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:02:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: ideas for chess pieces Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:07:21 -0600 Message-ID: <199802031756.LAA06948@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Andrew I wasn't aware that there were defined patterns for chess pieces What style do you think would be most adaptable to some of the techniques mentioned below? Would the Stuanton style be the most common one I would recognize.... like in a cheap plastic set? Other then the pawns, which should be the easy part , there only needs to be the five forms of the pieces in the back row. If they could be depicted in a easy to recognize simplified geometric form I think that would be half the battle at least in the sense of the skills and the techniques available to most bunginians >If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" >pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. Andrew stacked and glued flat pieces finished off with a different jewel for each piece type a foiled geometric base maybe a cone with the top cut off and use finials or some other solderable findings to represent the form of the piece? Len >using flat glass, cornered up on it self. like thos ugly 3-d flowers. >the center would be solid, and the sides would hold the center up, over >the top it would form a plus sign. >large marbles with flat bottoms could work, each one would have it's >symbol inside surrounded by clear. the knight would have a horse head in >it, etc. > >small slumped glass things could be made up. either by having a split >slump and soldering the seam. or by slumping it into a mold of some >kind, though that may look like a ghost when done. Mike Savad Hmmmmm ..... just a thought ..... I wonder if you could make some molds of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible colors. But, it's an idea. Mike Peck > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:20:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller - US visit Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:18:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802031818.NAA25418@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steph wrote, > >"I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that >Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to >Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church >on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of >Chartres. For more info you can contact Pam Greaves at (978)745-3050 >(parish secretary). " > >This is a must if you are in the area!!! There is no one like Mr. Miller and you probably won't get a chance to see him in person again in the US. As for his information on Chartres Cathedral? You will think you died and went to Heaven. There is nothing to compare. I have listened personally to Mr. Miller at least a dozen times and every time I learn something new about the Cathedral. And am mesmerized by it all. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:33:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:32:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: id lamp Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:32:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.23249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Diane. Try a library, look for The Lamps of Tiffany Nuestadt The lamps of Tiffany Studios Duncan/Feldstein Good reference sources....covers most shades Nuestadt......FIRST choice, real deep! Lots of lamps made by may other companies 30's and earlier. enjoy, H weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:35:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:33:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:32:59 -0800 Message-ID: <199802031832.KAA08142@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Hi, I found a 3 paned barn window frame in my barn a couple months >back, and I would love to incorporate some glasswork in it! I figure >with the barn siding craze, I actually might be able to sell it! >The outside diameter of the frame is 14.25" x 28.00" Each of the >openings are 8.00" x 10.00". The depth is 1/2". I am wondering if I >should put a different farm animal in each one or possibly a different >flower in each one, and how much should I charge? I know I asked about What about putting together a scene that flows from one window to the next...be it incorporating animals, flowers or whatever? To my eye that would be more pleasing than 3 simple static images. I won't address the pricing issue since it's well documented in the archives Good luck Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 10:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:07:11 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.21711.0> References: <<1998Feb2.205011.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We use clear plastic ice cream tubs for storing glass and gift wrap tubes for storing patterns. ---------- > > Today as I was munching on Pringles potato chips and thought, "hmmmm, a good > container, what glass-related items could I store in this?" > > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? > > Some creative ideas have been shared in the past, ie., milk crates for storing > glass, pc pipe for storing long pieces of came and zinc, small square kleenex > boxes for.....(what was that you used those for Steph~?). > > Those who feel inspired, please share your ideas. I have a make-shift studio > in my garage that suits me well, but I have so many little items strewn about > here and there........and it might be fun to see what people have come up with > to store those odd items. > > Diane Manchester > Tiffany Styled Originals > Delray Beach, FL > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:59:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Creative Storage! You asked for it.! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:50:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.185030.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Its a ratchet tiedown, get a good one cause some are useless take it from someone who has to tiedown appliances for shipment. Sears sells nice ones and I understand the 4-wheeler places have good ones too. I prefer the ones that you just pull and push button release, they have less of a chance of locking up on you deb > The jack it permenantly connected to one end of the strap. You slide the > other end of the strap through the jack and then crank it tight, just > like you would jack up a car. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:09:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:08:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Storing Came Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:07:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.9716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Steph- If the zinc came is less than 1/4 inch they, too, might get a little distorted = after standing on end for any length of time. Otherwise, you should be okay. I guess this thread is a good example of vague communication! Never even thought of zinc since we never use it. ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & STudios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:23:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:23:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17233.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Back in 1981, I designed a chess board, including the pieces, for a renaissance fair in which I participated. My brother designed the base of the table to match the base of the chess pieces. We installed florescent light under the board, and fit the board right into the middle of the base table. I must say (and I don't usually like to toot my horn), it is quite a unique piece. The chess board squares are 2" square. I used purple with white streaky for one side, and a creamy white with purple streaky for the opposite side. For the pieces, I used the same contrasting glass, and added purple water glass for accent spires on some of the pieces. I used clock parts (the arms - cut in half) for the king, queen and bishop tops. The castle, pawn and horse stand 4" assembled into two sections, and the bishop, queen and king, upwards to 6", also in two sections. I have had no problem with sagging (thank goodness). I used copper foil to complete the project. As mentioned, a frame was made to fit the board into the middle of the table base. It if fully functional and very sturdy. Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner, or graphic program to create a .jpeg picture to share. Perhaps this gives some ideas, however, on how to go about making glass pieces. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals Delray Beach, FL ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:19:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:17:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: pronounce Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:16:47 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:21:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Shirley's Amazing Essay! Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:50:31 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.185031.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I had a cat that had babies on a box of broken lightbulbs, and another that loves to sleep in a big box of glass we had collected from a broken sliding glaass door does that answer your question LOL deb > .do cats know better than to walk on bits of glass? > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 11:56:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:53:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: semi-circular windows...thanks Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:41:06 -0800 Message-ID: <199802031841.KAA10086@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like to say thanks to everyone who replied to my question last week about fitting semi-circular windows. Turns out that I didn't have to go up the ladder (yet) since they had another studio come two years ago and make a template...the studio never delivered the piece so the owners are going to go get the template for me. In the meantime I'm doing a room divider for their bathroom...when I deliver that I'll just have to zip up the ladder and check the template. In the meantime, though I've been making a semi-circle template for a much smaller bathroom window elsewhere...just had to go up a stool for that and found all the bungi suggestions REALLY helpful to plan a method of doing it...it's hard to think with a client peering over my shoulder!!! I do have another problem though...this piece is for a semi-circle which has a regular sliding window below it. The problem...it's going to take skyhooks to keep it up since it's all one window without a ledge between the semi-circle and the sliding portion to rest the flat side of the glass on. Anyone know how to do install this??? Where do I buy skyhooks...anyone got a source for them Dawn, you're great. I want to acknowledge how helpful your files from the archives have been. It must have taken a LONG time to put it all together. Thanks Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:01:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:59:18, -0500 Message-ID: <199802031959.OAA20832@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I hope this one has not been given. I use plastic shoe boxes that cost about $1.00. Very handy for storing small projects or kiln findings for future use. Use to hold bevels for a project to avoid scratching, etc. Sometimes give to customers when they buy custom bevels. Bob Ps: For the first time I have been receiving duplicate posts. Some big srever must be trying to chalk up a record for use. ____ Bob Duchesneau (Freeway's mother) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > >---Mike Savad Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 14:40:37 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.224037.0> References: <<1998Jan30.155334.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim, Thank you for the wonderful suggestions and directions. I'm thrilled to find out about the Chrysler Museum of Art. It turns out that it's not very many blocks away from where I will be, so will make that my first detour. THANKS! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:50:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pronounce Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At least that's how I *think it's pronounced. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:51:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104055.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am getting duplicates only from bungi, not from anyone else, so I don't think it's my server. This time and in previous duplicate mailings it only happens with the bungi posts. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller - US visit Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104042.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You lucky people in Massachusetts - I am soooo jealous! Is there any = chance of getting Mr. Miller's lecture on video and sharing with the rest of us? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 12:57:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:54:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.104049.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk All the flux we buy comes = in plastic containers anyway so I can't imagine film canisters would be a problem. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:05:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:00:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: my cat deceased Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:55:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.205517.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 01:35:20 EST, you write: << I too, used to have a shop cat....large warm light table major perch for her. She died of old age at 16+ years. We used to chase mice and shrews in the shop....fun for her, exercise for me, tough on the mice! >> HOWARD......its time to get a new cat !!!!! and to visit your local animal shelter..the best cats come from there! :)) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:24:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:27:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.92715.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass (see us at: http://www.summitstudio.com) Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > Myrddn Well, I've always said ..... Yah-koo-gany. Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:42:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:41:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:47:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.94756.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Tell me you're kidding, Albert. Now I feel sooooo foolish (<--naaah, not really!). I've always called it "Yoga hey knee". Sheesh! From now on, it's Yo! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Albert Lewis wrote: > > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > > Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At > least that's how I *think it's pronounced. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Shopfreaks From: Shopfreaks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cats and glass Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:25:38 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.212538.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have to share my workspace with my cat. Unfortunately, she gets to spend more time there than I do. There are wooden boxes with glass in them on the floor. She is constantly rubbing her face on the edges of the glass. It used to worry me at first but she has never cut herself. Then, about two weeks ago I discovered that she had dived off a workbench and used a crate of glass with 3 ft. pieces of glass standing vertically as a springboard! The cat is fine. The glass........is for small projects now. The moral of the story is--- Protect your shop! The cats can take care of themselves! Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:47:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:46:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:39:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.73957.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > Myrddn I believe it is pronounce yokagainy -- Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 13:54:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:52:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 13:52:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.5528.0> References: <<199802031832.KAA08142@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk I vote for a blooming(not the kind Eliza Doolittle refers to) tree branch extending throughout the window with at least 4 humming birds. Humming Birds are very popular right now. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:04:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:06:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.22654.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > >Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At >least that's how I *think it's pronounced. We asked at their stand at the Dusseldorf Glass exhibition Glastec96 and were told to pronounce it Yock-a-heeny with a hard "ck" sound. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:08:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.8116.0> References: <<199802031832.KAA08142@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > What about putting together a scene that flows from one window to the > next...be it incorporating animals, flowers or whatever? To my eye that > would be more pleasing than 3 simple static images. > Carol Swann ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks Carol, I didn't think of that at all! Hmmmm, this just got more challenging for me! I like it! Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:29:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:18:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > >---Mike Savad Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:39:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:36:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.63644.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > > Yock-uh-gay-nee ... although the "ck" in "yock" is kind of soft. At > least that's how I *think it's pronounced. stained glass retailers on the west coast are comfortable pronouncing it Yo(like Salone says in the Rocky movies)-gay-nee Always wondered about this one myself. It's named after an Indian tribe, isn't it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:42:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:42:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cats and glass Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:41:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.6411.0> References: <<1998Feb3.212538.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > > The moral of the story is--- Protect your shop! The cats can take care of > themselves! > > Theresa Here here!!!!!!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:51:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.84318.0> References: <<1998Feb3.5528.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > I vote for a blooming(not the kind Eliza Doolittle refers to) tree > branch extending throughout the window with at least 4 humming birds. > Humming Birds are very popular right now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I like this idea too!!!! Thanks! by blooming tree branch do you mean like apple or cherry blossoms? Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:51:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: enough cats (mine) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:50:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.65054.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We have become used to not being "owned" by a cat....had a moment of weakness and cat-sat for a friend. Not sure we will get another one. But certainly do miss the used Burmese we had! (ps "used" means someone gave us to her) enough about cats (mine anyway) for now. A few newsgroups dedicated to felines are out there. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Glass sites in VA, WV, KY, IN, IL Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 14:40:37 PST Message-ID: <1998Feb3.224037.0> References: <<1998Jan30.155334.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jim, Thank you for the wonderful suggestions and directions. I'm thrilled to find out about the Chrysler Museum of Art. It turns out that it's not very many blocks away from where I will be, so will make that my first detour. THANKS! Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:54:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nb.net!sigglass From: Zane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:58:15 -0600 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.115815.0> References: <<1998Feb3.22654.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Signature Glass Company Precedence: bulk Take if from a real Pittsburgher (although I DON'T say "yinz" or "yunz") who was born, raised and continues to live by the Yough River, the correct way to say this Indian word is: Yock-a-gay-knee All others are merely imitations. Zane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.125228.0> References: <<199802031708.JAA15009@intergate.lasercom.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean wrote: > > > I use the little individual tubs for small amounts of patina > > or flux (to avoid contaminating the big bottle) but now I think I > > like the film canister idea better (just got a 35mm camera for > > Christmas). > > > Kaye > --------------- > > Several of you have mentioned using the empty film canisters for flux (I > use little jars the size of baby food jars). I would question if there > might not be a problem with chemical reaction between the flux and the > plastic containers? Anyone have any ideas on this? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass flux can go into almost anything non-absorbent. as far as i know it really does'nt react to anything, though i would'nt put it in a metal container. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 14:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.125421.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ? > Myrddn > > Solder while the iron is hot > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yuck-a-geny ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:17:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13108.0> References: <<199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there > >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new > >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > > > >---Mike Savad > > Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... > Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've seen it come in a few times, but always somewhere different. kind of a dejavu experience, especially when i go to answer it for a second time. i release it only when i rehearse it in my head, and thinking "hmm i thought i just wrote that..." and what makes it worse the repeats may come days later... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:48 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032324.PAA06251@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have my grinder inside a glass aquarium flipped on its side so the open side is towards me. That catches any and all grinder guck that's flung around, as well as giving me a place to sit a small lamp for better visibility at night. They're cheap at a yard sale, and one that doesn't hold water works okay for this. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:31:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13304.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sam & Elizabeth- I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 15:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Skyhooks Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.132956.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carol- Were you looking for left-handed skyhooks, or right? ;) Seriously, though, a solution for your problem might require a tinker. Michael's solution: Get a length of aluminum u-channel two inches longer than the length of the window span. (We buy this from a commercial glazier at about .80/ft.) Have the handyman cut away one = inch on the two upright sides on each end. Then heat-bend the remaining middle section up to enclose the ends of the u-channel. Drill a hole in each end, then screw into the window jambs with the channel open to the top. Then just plop the stained glass in and finish out the half-round section as you ordinarily would (see previous thread;-) Or simpler, but not as attractive: Solder two L-brackets to the bottom zinc channel with the ell pointed down-ward. Then attach to the window jamb with screws on each side. Proceed as above. Touch up both with paint to match. Who was it said something about a picture being worth 1,000 words.... whew! Good luck! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:14:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Storing Came Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:13:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.151326.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, = cheap storing came idea - = Go to HQ/Home Depot type store Ask for used, ready to be thrown out carpet tubes. = The thing carpet is wrapped around. They are either 6 or 12 feet long. Pay nothing. Cut in half lengthwise. You now have at least two cheap heavy cardboard came containers. Hang on wall or from ceiling. We ORFS got to save somewhere. Jim The Glass Canvas Virginia Beach VA/Lake Wallenpaupak PA gcanvas@CompuServe.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:13:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:41:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032341.PAA26861@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zane, thank you for making this "west coaster" feel better! Your interpretation is exactly how our studio/store has always pronounced it! Glad to hear we are educating the public correctly! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:32:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:31:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:21:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.152141.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And according to our wholesalers catalog: Yock-a-gain-ee What a great thread, though! Best regards, DAni Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 17:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:31:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.153048.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > In this age of small spaces, and tight corners, I throw the question out to > this group - what creative storage ideas have you come up with? I work for a garment company. We get empty cardboard rolls piling up at the end of every day from fabric and plotter paper. I use the rolls to store came, zinc, and patterns. My studio is in the basment so I have the rolls in between the floor joists in the ceiling. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:01:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: triplicate postings Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:02:08 -0800 Message-ID: <199802040154.RAA08915@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Same here. Duplicates and triplicates for the last couple days. Sure takes a lot more time sifting thru the mail. Jean ---------- > From: Michael J. Greer > To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com > Subject: RE: triplicate postings > Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 12:40 PM > > I am getting duplicates only from > bungi, not from anyone else, so I > don't think it's my server. This time > and in previous duplicate mailings > it only happens with the bungi posts. > > Best regards, > > Dani Greer > Greer Gallery & Studios > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:05:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: emwv.com!katglass From: Individule To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re:Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:06:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was just reading a message, got a notice that I had mail, and it was a duplicate of the message that I was just reading. It seems to be only a problem with Bungi that I'm having. Odd, but a few days ago, some were in triplicate. That seems to have stopped now. Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:30:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:30:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:31:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.103128.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We sure are spending a lot of effort in complaining/observing on duplicate/triplicatex2x2 posts. Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard from and we can be done with it. enjoy? howard weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: yahoo.com!glswrks From: Bonnie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:32:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1998Feb3.103257.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk True enough, but those are white plastic. Couldn't the black canasters have different chemicals in them from the white ones? Perhaps something that could interact with the flux? I too use little jars the size of baby food jars. I like them because I can see at a glance just how much flux is in them and I'm not 'dipping in the dark' , so to speak. ---"Michael J. Greer" wrote: > > All the flux we buy comes = > > in plastic containers anyway so > I can't imagine film canisters > would be a problem. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:41:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:41:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:47:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.94756.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk lot of lines of text for a pronunciation! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 18:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:44:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pronounce Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:51:49 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Tell me you're kidding, Albert. Now I feel sooooo foolish Well, if in Duesseldorf they themselves said it "Yok o heeny" (that was it, wasn't it?), I'm ready to change my tune. I was just told, though, that in pro studios they just refer to it as "Yock!" Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:12:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:11:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:07:51 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.3751.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've gotten lots of duplicates and triplicates too. It's been happening for about the last 3 days. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!NEOGLASSIC From: NEOGLASSIC@webtv.net (Andrew T) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Defined Chess Pieces Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199802040313.TAA15015@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The term Staunton refes to the standard style of chess pieces. You know, the ones you've seen Fisher and Spasky playing with. This style is also the most common if you go to a game store and purchase a chess set. A couple of years ago I came across an all glass chess set. The board was a 16" x16" 3/16" thick glass with a 1/2" bevel. The squares had been sandblasted. The "white" pieces were clear cast glass and the "black" were frosted. Pretty nice really. The cost was only $30. And...to no surprise, it was made in Tiawan. Andrew Tillinghast Neoglassic Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:13:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:08:17 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.3817.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 17:57:22 EST, you write: << Yock-a-gay-knee >> Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:31:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: toltbbs.com!jhopkins From: Jeremy Hopkins To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: hi everybody Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.17420.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk every time i try to clean my iron with flux or store scrap glass, two or three cats run through my room... ;-) -- Jeremy W. Hopkins KC8GWH http://www.toltbbs.com/~jhop/ 442.850 + mhz in nw ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:34:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handl Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040334.DAA17370@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey PJ, What is a "Beanie Baby"??? Elisabeth 'n Toby in UKs! They even sell beanie babies! Just a Monday morning thought. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:35:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:34:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller - US visit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040334.DAA17394@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Folks, I am crawling out of my "Godson Entertainment Mode" to ask, plead a little favour. Anyone, but ANYONE, who attends any of Malcom Miller's lectures in USA, would it be within the realms of possibility for any of you to make a copy of your recording for little ME??? As PJ - quite rightly pointed out - he is an absolute MUST!!! He held us totally spell-bound and I wished I had begged, borrowed, stolen recording equipment for his lecture at Chartres. WHAT a charismatic man! I am - of course - willing to pay for costs . If you remember, I told you absolutely MONTHS ago that he was organizing this USA visit. Am SO glad that it is now being realized. If you love stained glass - DON'T MISS IT!!! The very first (of oh so many) Chartres pictures from last Easter are now on my WEB-page. Text is still missing..... I'll get there one of these days... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Steph wrote, > >"I thought you or any of you subscribers might be interested to know that >Malcolm Miller a world-renowned lecturer on Chartres Cathedral is coming to >Salem, Ma. on Feb. 19 at 7:30pm. to speak at Immaculate Conception Church >on the subject of the stained glass, sculptures and architecture of >Chartres. For more info you can contact Pam Greaves at (978)745-3050 >(parish secretary). " PJ wrote: >This is a must if you are in the area!!! There is no one like Mr. Miller and you probably won't get a chance to see him in person again in the US. As for his information on Chartres Cathedral? You will think you died and went to Heaven. There is nothing to compare. I have listened personally to Mr. Miller at least a dozen times and every time I learn something new about the Cathedral. And am mesmerized by it all. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 19:35:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:35:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:30:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040334.DAA17388@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bunginians, This thread has caught my interest too. I have never seen "Over Here" how to make chess pieces. Have long been planning to do a chess board (for myself). To make the chess pieces as well (perhaps in other materials...?) sounds absolutely delicious! Staunton Pattern. Staunton WHO?? Would be very grateful for help with book title, author, ISBN No and maybe I might be able to order it through my local book-shop. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK << If you are purchasing the chess pieces seperately, choose "Staunton" pattern. This style is recognized throughtout the world. >> Where can this be purchased? Thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:17:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:10:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13108.0> References: <<199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > >i've been getting them too. and it's kind of confusing, becuase there > >would be a a bunch of messages, then the exact same bunch mixed into new > >stuff. i've almost replied a few times to the repeats. > > > >---Mike Savad > > Eeek, Mike...that would mean some of us would be getting quadruplicates... > Actually I don't think I'm getting duplicates, just poorly edited replies. > > Carol Swann > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've seen it come in a few times, but always somewhere different. kind of a dejavu experience, especially when i go to answer it for a second time. i release it only when i rehearse it in my head, and thinking "hmm i thought i just wrote that..." and what makes it worse the repeats may come days later... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: more creative storage Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:24:48 -0800 Message-ID: <199802032324.PAA06251@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have my grinder inside a glass aquarium flipped on its side so the open side is towards me. That catches any and all grinder guck that's flung around, as well as giving me a place to sit a small lamp for better visibility at night. They're cheap at a yard sale, and one that doesn't hold water works okay for this. Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:30:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.13304.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sam & Elizabeth- I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Skyhooks Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:29:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.132956.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carol- Were you looking for left-handed skyhooks, or right? ;) Seriously, though, a solution for your problem might require a tinker. Michael's solution: Get a length of aluminum u-channel two inches longer than the length of the window span. (We buy this from a commercial glazier at about .80/ft.) Have the handyman cut away one = inch on the two upright sides on each end. Then heat-bend the remaining middle section up to enclose the ends of the u-channel. Drill a hole in each end, then screw into the window jambs with the channel open to the top. Then just plop the stained glass in and finish out the half-round section as you ordinarily would (see previous thread;-) Or simpler, but not as attractive: Solder two L-brackets to the bottom zinc channel with the ell pointed down-ward. Then attach to the window jamb with screws on each side. Proceed as above. Touch up both with paint to match. Who was it said something about a picture being worth 1,000 words.... whew! Good luck! Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:11:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: eagle.ca!glass From: glass@eagle.ca (Sarah) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:13:43 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had a blood test come back positive for high lead? I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now take precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years without paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested positive, and I have never met anyone who has. All of which makes me wonder whether a) blood tests are not sensitive enough or b) stained glass doesn't pose much risk of lead poisoning. I am not trying to say that lead isn't harmful, or that we shouldn't take precautions, just that I've never met anyone who ever got lead poisoning from stained glass work. This may not be very politically correct, but how much lead can we possibly take in while working with glass? Despite what some people say, lead isn't absorbed through the skin, that is what the skin is for - to keep out foreign matter, and it works pretty well. So we either inhale it or ingest it, and how much really gets in your mouth? We seem to spend a lot of time worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks like silica dust or even fire prevention. What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? Sarah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 23:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: <199802040438.XAA27583@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sarah says: >I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test >if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had >a blood test come back positive for high lead? Suzanne replies: No, my blood tests always come back low lead. However I intend to keep on having it checked at least once a year. I think it's cumulative. I do know one person who did SG in this town for many years... she had to stop because of high lead levels. She told me she wasn't very careful back in the "old days." I've also heard of another here. That's in an average-sized suburban county seat. Don't know about silica dust. I thought the grinder water took care of that. Would be interested in hearing from those who know more than I do. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 20:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:42:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.143544.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks > like silica dust or even fire prevention. > > What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? > > Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Sarah, The man who taught me stained glass said the only way a person can get lead posining from stained glass is if he had a habit of licking the windows. I have never heard of anyone getting it, and make it a personal habit to thoroughly scrub my hands after working with it. Because usually I head right from the glassroom to the kitchen. After we began doing glass in our home, we brought our kids in for testing, and there were no problems there either. I think its just uninformed people making the usual assumptions..... Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 22:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 23:40:51 -0500 Message-ID: <199802040438.XAA27583@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sarah says: >I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test >if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had >a blood test come back positive for high lead? Suzanne replies: No, my blood tests always come back low lead. However I intend to keep on having it checked at least once a year. I think it's cumulative. I do know one person who did SG in this town for many years... she had to stop because of high lead levels. She told me she wasn't very careful back in the "old days." I've also heard of another here. That's in an average-sized suburban county seat. Don't know about silica dust. I thought the grinder water took care of that. Would be interested in hearing from those who know more than I do. Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 22:32:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:42:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.143544.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks > like silica dust or even fire prevention. > > What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? > > Sarah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Sarah, The man who taught me stained glass said the only way a person can get lead posining from stained glass is if he had a habit of licking the windows. I have never heard of anyone getting it, and make it a personal habit to thoroughly scrub my hands after working with it. Because usually I head right from the glassroom to the kitchen. After we began doing glass in our home, we brought our kids in for testing, and there were no problems there either. I think its just uninformed people making the usual assumptions..... Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:18:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:17:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Storing Came Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.151636.0> References: <<1998Feb3.151326.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > We ORFS got to save somewhere. > OK I'll bite. What is ORFS? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:21:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Barn window Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:20:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.152053.0> References: <<1998Feb3.84318.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > I like this idea too!!!! Thanks! by blooming tree branch do you > mean like apple or cherry blossoms? > Doesn't matter, just remember to be authenic, humming birds are attracted by red or deep pink flowers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:44:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:43:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.184357.0> References: <<1998Feb2.145117.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in consideration of the others, IMNSHO. Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've > seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding > to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > ---Mike Savad > ----- > BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > > what is often small gain. > > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > > ____ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Feb 3 23:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:52:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:52:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.185257.0> References: <<1998Feb2.154751.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Vinyl guttering uses plastic gutter-brackets, and metal guttering (NOT older) as in the aluminum or (very expensive) copper guttering uses gutter spikes which are very commonly available from any hardware store or home remodeling outlet which stocks gutter. There is also a slim metal sleeve that is made to slide onto the spike between the inside edges of the guttering to keep it from getting bent in on itself. V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > > my guess would be that it's attached with gutter spikes. the older > gutters used these giant spikes. the newer ons hang on with straps... > > ---Mike Savad > > Shirley Balloch wrote: > > > > My retailer uses gutters to display came in. Never paid any attention > > to how he attached it to the wall though. > > Dave you want to take it from here? > > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:41:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re:Duplicate posts Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard > from and we can be done with it. Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > The man who taught me stained glass said the only way a person > can get lead posining from stained glass is if he had a habit of licking > the windows. Not quite, I'm afraid. Lead is a much more insidious substance than that. Take a look (for starters) at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/cgg5e.htm ... "For example, a label for lead solder purchased in a hardware store indicates that it is "fatal if swallowed" and "causes severe burns," but gives no indication of the fact that lead causes not only acute lead poisoning but also has severe effects on a number of body systems, including damage to blood-forming, nervous, and reproductive systems (see OHSA's lead standard, 29 CFR 1910.1025)." Washing your hands is good, it's a start, but we'll see if Monona Rossol has an update on the subject for us. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:38:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pronounce Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Uroboros: "You row bore us" ... the mythical snake that devoured itself, because Uroboros' glass was initially (and perhaps still is) made at least partially with recycled glass. Accent on "bore," methinks. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:45:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:43:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:46:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.84645.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 18:30 03/02/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Sam & Elizabeth- > >I think someone was pulling >your leg about the pronunciation. Yes - it rather looks like it, doesn't it. Not absolutely sure, but we may have been speaking to a German rep on the stand rather than to someone with real native american blood and vowels :-0 It's not often we Brits will accept the "ex colonial" pronouncement but we are happy to stand corrected here. Elizabeth & Sam Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:55:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:52:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Chemical Reaction Flux/Plastic Containers Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 08:54:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199802040851.IAA03590@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jean wrote >Several of you have mentioned using the empty film canisters for flux (I >use little jars the size of baby food jars). I would question if there >might not be a problem with chemical reaction between the flux and the >plastic containers? Anyone have any ideas on this? I don't think so all of the flux I've ever bought comes in plastic containers! Phil Phil Speedwell Computer Technician Microcomputer Development Centre Education Support Service Glasgow City Council ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 00:56:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:54:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ids.on.ca!aloha From: aloha@ids.on.ca To: webuser@yerbizsite.com Subject: Your web site... Summary: Authenticated Sender is Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: 020398055501222@e-bizness.com Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Would you like to improve your website's "find-ability" in the Search Engines? 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"The only thing a man can take beyond this lifetime is his ethics" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 03:01:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CDSANDD From: CDSANDD@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:59:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.10593.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Would you be so kind and add my name to your list? Thank you! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 04:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:49:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:41:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.124149.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com Any advice? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 04:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:49:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802041242.HAA24510@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 98-02-03 17:57:22 EST, you write: > ><< Yock-a-gay-knee >> > >Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how >it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say >it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. >---- I know its an native Indian word but I couldn't tell you which language or the meaning. But it does refer to a river - the Youghiogheny. Quite a spot for the camping and whitewater - in Ohiopyle State Park. You can check out http://www.ohiopylepa.com/ if you want. That's also the way I always learned to pronoune it - yock-a-gay-knee, the yock. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 05:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:35:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Glasangels From: Glasangels@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:31:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.133140.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 03:44:59 EST, you write: << > Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard > from and we can be done with it. Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. Albert >> You asked for it Not only have I been getting posts in TRIPLICATE but I delete them all and they're back the next morning!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:11:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wscc.edu!smankin From: Susan Mankin To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980204091040.007a1100@wscc.edu> References: <<1998Feb2.154751.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi fellow stained glass enthusiasts, I am fairly new to this craft but I am used to working in small spaces as I am involved with many hobbies. I take PVC pipe and cut it in half-drill holes to hang it with and you have an inexpensive way to store came, channel, or the likes and by cutting it you double the storage space. I also took 2x6 baords and drilled holes slightly smaller than the 1/2 inch PVC pipe then pounded the pipe into the holes to make a great storage rack for storing sheets of glass in the upright position. You can cut the plastic pipe to any length you want to accomadate the size glass you have. Happy cutting!! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.44928.0> References: <<1998Feb4.3817.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-03 17:57:22 EST, you write: > > << Yock-a-gay-knee >> > > Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how > it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say > it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think it's named after the indian tribe. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45050.0> References: <<1998Feb3.17420.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jeremy Hopkins wrote: > > every time i try to clean my iron with flux or store scrap glass, two or > three cats run through my room... ;-) maybe your cats are trying to tell you not to clean you iron with flux... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:54:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:54:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handl Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:52:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45246.0> References: <<199802040334.DAA17370@pluto.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hey PJ, > What is a "Beanie Baby"??? > Elisabeth 'n Toby in UKs! > > They even sell beanie babies! > > Just a Monday morning thought. > > ---- a beanie baby is a little stuffed toy filled with beans, like a hackysack ball with legs. for some strange reason they became really popular here in the US. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:54:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45432.0> References: <<1998Feb3.13304.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael J. Greer wrote: > > Hi Sam & Elizabeth- > > I think someone was pulling > your leg about the pronunciation. > Most folks over here pronounce > it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would > presume the wholesalers would > know since they call the factory > on a regular basis. But, then > again, with a name like that..... > Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) > > Best regard, > > Dani Greer = Uroboros = your-o-bore-us ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 06:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:58:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:56:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.45630.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sarah wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test > if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had > a blood test come back positive for high lead? > > I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now take > precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years without > paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested positive, and > I have never met anyone who has. > > All of which makes me wonder whether a) blood tests are not sensitive enough > or b) stained glass doesn't pose much risk of lead poisoning. I am not > trying to say that lead isn't harmful, or that we shouldn't take > precautions, just that I've never met anyone who ever got lead poisoning > from stained glass work. > > This may not be very politically correct, but how much lead can we possibly > take in while working with glass? Despite what some people say, lead isn't > absorbed through the skin, that is what the skin is for - to keep out > foreign matter, and it works pretty well. So we either inhale it or ingest > it, and how much really gets in your mouth? We seem to spend a lot of time > worrying about lead, and hearing less about more immediate health risks > like silica dust or even fire prevention. > > What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? > > Sarah > i've had mine checked every so often, it might depend wether you do lead or foil work. being that your more likely have a little more lead in your system using lead came. mine has always been supprisingly low. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:04:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.5227.0> References: <<199802040438.XAA27583@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk suzanne albright wrote: > > Don't know about silica dust. I thought the grinder water took care of > that. Would be interested in hearing from those who know more than I do. > > Suzanne the grinder should'nt be spraying any dust, that's what the water is for. i know of some people who grind dry, why? i dunno, i guess they're idiots. always grind with the water in it, you should never see any dust. when you clean your grinder wet it down first then wipe it up. you also might want to wear gloves, because the glass, even in that tiny form, can still be irritating. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:08:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.5619.0> References: <<1998Feb3.184357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NCScouter wrote: > > I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to > ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate > your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind > behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE > edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of > money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in > the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection > time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi > because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have > to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or > SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in > consideration of the others, IMNSHO. > > Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) > > V T Phelps > my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, latley i've seen things so badly hacked that i have no idea what it was refering to. and if you think that's not a nice thing to do, fine, i don't always have to be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:11:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:08:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.5846.0> References: <<1998Feb4.124149.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Classydad@aol.com wrote: > > I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. > Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: > http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com > > Any advice? > ---- use the glass@bungi.com as the address, and as long as your subscribed you can send and recieve mail. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:22:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:22:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Malcolm Miller video Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:30:04 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Since some of you were interesting in someone taping Miller's presentation in Massachusetts on the 19th ... and because I was unfamiliar with him ... I asked around. Turns out he's quite well known -- except by me, I guess. The people I spoke with said he puts on a terrific show, is quite aware of the value of the show he puts on, and that getting permission to videotape is extremely unlikely, alas. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:24:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:23:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: Glass Enthusiasts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Sarah:lead Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 12:12:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.71212.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah. . . I've been doing glass for 18 years and can ditto your experience. I, too, have had blood tests and always came out negative--even in times when I was literally living in the studio! Now that I am aware, I try to be more careful, but I, too, wonder just how much is too much. Have a good one. Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:37:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!gcanvas From: "James C. Kelly" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Storing Came Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.53618.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>> We ORFS got to save somewhere. > OK I'll bite. What is >>ORFS? Hi Shirley, ORFS are Old Retired FellowsS That's an AARP without a membership fee. Jim The Glass Canvas Virginia Beach VA/Lake Wallenpaupak PA gcanvas@CompuServe.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 07:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:53:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: hi everybody Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:59:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199802041021.EAA03269@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. > Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: > http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com > > Any advice? > ---- Do whatever you did to get this message posted, probably glass@bungi.com. The first example would only pull up a web page if one existed with that name. Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:05:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:04:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: B J Snell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980204110558.006b5028@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> References: <<1998Feb3.184357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike..... Your sense of humor is just fine too..... >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, latley i've seen >things so badly hacked that i have no idea what it was refering to. and >if you think that's not a nice thing to do, fine, i don't always have to >be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old >ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. > > >---Mike Savad > > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 >2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added >and My Updated Shop Photo's >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >
0000,0000,8080~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 8080,0000,0000Barbara J. Snell Manager, Balch Dining Cornell University
0000,0000,8080 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:23:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:21:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!RemickT From: RemickT@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:21:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.16213.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 10:14:13 EST, you write: << Can this thread evolve into a discussion on SG chess pieces? >> If you don't mind mixing media -- Origami, Plain and Simple by Robert Neale/Thomas Hull has directions on how to fold chess piece from paper ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:23:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:21:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 11:15:32 EST Message-ID: <980204.112025.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb4.5619.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think Mike S, only pushes old ALIEN ladies down stairs. They bounce better. Unlike glass (sigh) Halfway through paperwork for taxes. (bigger sigh). This chessboard stuff has me thinking...which usually means my husband is in trouble because I'll want him to do something...You know those symbols used in the newspaper in chess columns? they could be etchedd or engraved on glass rounds or big glass blobs. Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:23:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:23:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.102312.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, Just got back from a 10-day trip and found I had a MAJOR number of messages from Bungi! After reading some, realized some were duplicate and triplicate messages. But still, LOTS of messages, it was fun skimming them all! Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass shops there or near there. She only just got there so she hasn't had a chance to look but you can tell where her priorities are. That's my girl! When she goes home on weekends she does her glass work. Thanks for any help, Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:45:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rconnect.com!vlclover From: Laurean To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: editing, etc... Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:00:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.2026.0> References: <<1998Feb4.5619.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Lone Tree Homeschool Precedence: bulk > > Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) > > V T Phelps > be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old > ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. > > ---Mike Savad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I realize I am new to this list, and my 2 cents worth, probably isn't even worth that! I am grateful to everyone for the generous way they offer support. However I did not join to see bashing going on. So Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 08:52:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:51:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: hi everybody Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:51:14 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: hi everybody" on Feb 4, 7:41, Classydad@aol.com writes:] > I've been trying to post a message, but I keep getting the message returned. > Am I using the wrong address? I'm an AOL user. Using: > http://www.glass@bungi.com or I've tried glass@bungi.com > > Any advice? It's: http://www.bungi.com/glass -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 09:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: athgway.ath.umich.edu!sue_vershum_at_umad-maize From: sue_vershum_at_umad-maize@athgway.ath.umich.edu To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: editing, etc... Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 12:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9802048866.AA886612244@athgway.ath.umich.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk THANK YOU! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: editing, etc... From: at internet-mail Date: 2/4/98 10:00 AM > > Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) > > V T Phelps > be a nice guy. after all for all you know, for fun i might push old > ladies down the stairs.... no i'm kidding.... they're not all that old. > > ---Mike Savad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I realize I am new to this list, and my 2 cents worth, probably isn't even worth that! I am grateful to everyone for the generous way they offer support. However I did not join to see bashing going on. So Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. Blessings; Laurean Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 09:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: editing, etc... Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:48:29 -0800 Message-ID: <199802041740.JAA13455@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hurrah, Laurean. My sentiments exactly. You said it better than I ever could have! Jean ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > Subject: editing, etc... > From: at internet-mail > Date: 2/4/98 10:00 AM > I realize I am new to this list, and my 2 cents worth, probably > isn't even worth that! I am grateful to everyone for the generous way > they offer support. However I did not join to see bashing going on. So > Mike doesn't edit in the same manner as everyone else. He still is a > generous contributor to this list! I also realize there is a viable > concern over ISP billing in England (I presume). Does Mikes input in > relation to everyone elses cause the bill to go sky high? I realize I > may be taking on alot of heat here...And that's o.k. Why don't we > concentrate on why we are here...To learn from and help each other. > > Blessings; > > Laurean > > > > Eph. 4:32 "And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, Even as God in Christ forgave you". (NKJ) ><> > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 10:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:21:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Boston, MA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:29:36 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is > working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass > shops there or near there. There are 38 on our list, for 28 of which we have phone numbers. Not sure whether any of them sell at retail (that's what you meant, right?) Might all be studios ... I didn't check the names; just did a count and amount. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 10:28:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:27:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tir.com!jazzykid From: "jazzykid" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.82649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn Butler said: "After reading some...(snip) But still, LOTS of messages, it was fun skimming them all! Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass shops there or near there?"... You missed reading when you were skimming; Albert's post of Feb1,1998 @ 5:02pm www.stainglassbiz.com this site has many answers to basic questions plus additional information on stained glass. Including many of the Stained Glass stores in the different states. Glenna is also nice enough to keep all the archives plus many topics of REQUIRED READING at www.bungi.com Dawn (our resident archivest) has many specific topics put together from the archives... Lamps Pricing Design ETC I am glad, that, many new people are joining Bungi, but YOU have a responsibility too. Please read archives before asking questions that have been answered many,many times before. Jazzykid@tir.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 10:36:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:35:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: simple storage Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:35:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.23532.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I usually create small pieces of "scrap", I use pint, quart, 1/2 gal. and gal. waxed milk cartons (chocolate, no-fat, low fat, whole milk, etc. ) are all ok to use. Suggest rinsing them first, however. I change containers for different colors and textures, and this sorts my scrap as I go. Egg cartons are also good for keeping groups of pieces together. Also if one numbers the sections you can put background pieces in as well. I usually number 1 to 9..... 10 to 19 and so forth. enjoy, H As a suggestion if you want to comment, I do not need to see this post repeated to me! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:06:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:05:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 14:03:16 EST Message-ID: <980204.140430.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1998Feb4.102312.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whittemore- Durgin, just south of Boston. I occasionally make the two hour drive to go there. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:13:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.apple.com!karens From: Karen Schroeder To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: more creative storage Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 11:01:31 -0800 Message-ID: <199802041902.LAA28672@scv3.apple.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 2/3/98 3:24 PM Carol Swann said: >I have my grinder inside a glass aquarium flipped on its side so the open >side is towards me. Delurking for a moment. This suggestion alone is worth the price of admission. Thank you Carol. I'll be hitting the yard sales this weekend. As long as I am out of hiding I'll introduce myself. My name is Karen Schroeder, I live and have my in-house glass studio in Benicia California (surrounded on all sides by flooded areas but I'm dry so far). I have been "doing glass" for almost 3 years. Mostly foil - sun catchers, lamps (panel and "tiffany") and small to medium free-hanging panels (the largest so far is 2' x 3'). I'm dying to do a couple of windows for my mother if I can talk her into it. I just started a business last October - Hummingbird Designs. Went through the whole business license, seller's permit, DBA dance. But it was worth it. I have accounts at two semi-local wholesalers (Franciscan Glass in Mountain View and Bendheim West in Oakland) where I purchase all of my glass and one mail-order wholesaler (Art Glass House in Florida) where I purchase just about everything except glass. I have my work in a local art & craft gallery, renting a booth for $50 per month. Sales have been slow. I think that glass is a bit "high end" for this gallery. Most of the work is more crafty - painted wood and dried flower type stuff (not that there is anything wrong with that - to quote Seinfeld). Thanks for all of the great ideas and suggestions. Maybe someday I'll have an idea to contribute. Until then, back to lurker mode. Karen The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better," so I bought a Macintosh. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:20:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:19:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.9198.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elizabeth- Now that we've figured out how it's really pronounced, let's comment on how it SHOULD be pronounced. I'm personally in favor of: "Yo - heeny" On second thought, maybe this is not such a good thread - we'll probably drive Howard crazy! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:20:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.91922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Howard- When you have four hundred = folks in on the same conversation, you're bound to get some repeats. (and I don't mean multiple postings!) It might SEEM to get boring, but if you go beyond the words to the people who are posting, you = actually get to know them as real spirits... not just words on the Internet. Try it, you'll like it! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:21:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:19:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.91924.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sarah- We don't know of anyone who has died of lead poisoning from working in the stained glass industry. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:37:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.133748.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Forgive me for asking a redundant question! Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 11:52:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:50:03 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.19503.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 13:29:16 EST, you write: << Please read archives before asking questions that have been answered many,many times before. Jazzykid@tir.com >> First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. What is the purpose of this group - to share information or force our narrowmindedness on everyone else? Some ground rules need to apply. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:09:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Arts/Crafts Sales Agent is looking for new products to handl Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042008.PAA05758@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth...... Sorry I thought that Beanie Babies were multi-cultural. Trancontientinal. Toutes les Pays. OK....her goes/ Beanie Babys are little stuffed animals about 7 or 8 inches filled with something reminding you of a bean bag. Happen to be alot of "collectors", and I use the term losely, here in the states. The animals range from dogs to zebras. And even a Princess Di bear (which I happen to think is a sic form of marketing). Now what till you hear this one....prices range from $6.00 to hundreds of dollars for retired (ones they don't sell anymore to create a desire and higher price.) ones. Hmmm.....maybe the idea is here just needs to be fine tuned. Lets see Princess Di stained glass roses. We'll start them at about 15.00 and leap the price up to the thousands by the end of the week. ( Only joshing.... Just a sic comment on society). my best, pj >Hey PJ, >What is a "Beanie Baby"??? >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UKs! > > >They even sell beanie babies! > >Just a Monday morning thought. > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:15:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:14:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Malcolm Miller video Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:14:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042014.PAA06150@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote, >Since some of you were interesting in someone taping Miller's >presentation in Massachusetts on the 19th ... and because I was >unfamiliar with him ... I asked around. > >Turns out he's quite well known -- except by me, I guess. The >people I spoke with said he puts on a terrific show, is quite aware >of the value of the show he puts on, and that getting permission to >videotape is extremely unlikely, alas. I don't know about videoing him at the cathedral. Personallly I was always so overwhelmed with his person and knowledge that picture taking was the last thing on my mind. One thing I must say also for anyone attending. Buy his book and get him to autograph it for you. Or buy copies. I give them as gifts to friends who are glass lovers. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:16:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042016.PAA06246@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, > >We don't know of anyone who has >died of lead poisoning from working >in the stained glass industry. > Neither do we. And we've been around a long time. Most people we know that have gotten ill was from silicosis. my best, pj> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042021.PAA06585@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >When you have four hundred = > >folks in on the same conversation, >you're bound to get some repeats. >(and I don't mean multiple postings!) >It might SEEM to get boring, but >if you go beyond the words to the >people who are posting, you = > >actually get to know them as >real spirits... not just words on the >Internet. Try it, you'll like it! > >And you also get to know who has patience, who has a sense of humor, who has cats, who has kids, who has a busniess licence, who has high lead levels....think this is getting to Howard.......who has a wife, who has a husband,...... my best, pj.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 12:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042024.PAA06798@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I Margaret wrote, First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and >years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. > >What is the purpose of this group - to share information or force our >narrowmindedness on everyone else? Some ground rules need to apply. > As long as its not about stepping stones (only kidding!!) I think that if a question is redundant and asked and answered to death. Most people will direct the person asking the question to the archives or answer off group. I don't think we need any more grounds rules than common sense. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:03:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:00:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > We don't know of anyone who has > died of lead poisoning from working > in the stained glass industry. I missed the beginning of this thread, I think. You're not saying lead is safe, are you? I know a few old heads in the stained glass world who are certifiable ... is *that lead-related? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:00:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Boston,MA Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:07:56 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and > years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. Personally, I don't mind answering the same question again. I might then point you to the archives for additional info, since you might be unaware of them. Sorry you were taken to task just for asking. I've been answering the same questions since 1973, having started working with glass in 1968 and in those five years learned a couple of things I could answer. I was so proud to have any answers at all. There's still a lot I don't know, though. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:32:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:16:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:16:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042016.PAA06246@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, > >We don't know of anyone who has >died of lead poisoning from working >in the stained glass industry. > Neither do we. And we've been around a long time. Most people we know that have gotten ill was from silicosis. my best, pj> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:32:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:31:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Redundant Question? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:32:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199802042124.NAA22568@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lyn, You have no need to apologize, you could not have known your question was redundant. Please forgive the rudeness of some of the people on this list, fortunately they are in the minority! Hang in there and ask away, that is what the list is for. For every one who won't (or can't) answer a question, there are 10 more who can, and will! Thanks to all of the 'old timers' who patiently respond to the same questions over and over, as well as point us in the right direction to find more answers. Jean ---------- > From: Lyn Butler > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Boston, MA > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 5:37 AM > > Forgive me for asking a redundant question! > > Lyn > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:32:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: postings Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.53137.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk For my own organizational skills, I like to see the current message at the top. Then if I can't remember what the comment is referring to, I can read on, to refresh my memory. But you won't see me doing that. I use netscape and I haven't figured out how to force it to let me print before the message. I should think that if anything is costing us more money, it would be all the dulicate posting. So any of you computer gurus out there in bungiland have the answer for us. My dulicate postings are not confined to bungi. Is this because we are using two mail servers? I use netscape and my ISP's program. Could it also be, that I don't trash my messages until after I have deleted 100 or so? Or is it beyond our control, as someone suggested, because some company is trying to make it seem like they handle alot more mail than they really do? Should we contact our own ISPs to look into this problem? Or do we just learn to live with it? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042021.PAA06585@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote, >When you have four hundred = > >folks in on the same conversation, >you're bound to get some repeats. >(and I don't mean multiple postings!) >It might SEEM to get boring, but >if you go beyond the words to the >people who are posting, you = > >actually get to know them as >real spirits... not just words on the >Internet. Try it, you'll like it! > >And you also get to know who has patience, who has a sense of humor, who has cats, who has kids, who has a busniess licence, who has high lead levels....think this is getting to Howard.......who has a wife, who has a husband,...... my best, pj.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 13:55:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:54:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The only bad question is the unasked question... Don M. McDonald Director, Web Services Chesapeake Communications Corporation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:02:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042024.PAA06798@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I Margaret wrote, First, you must edit any previous responses; now we MUST read the months and >years worth of archives BEFORE posing a question to this group. > >What is the purpose of this group - to share information or force our >narrowmindedness on everyone else? Some ground rules need to apply. > As long as its not about stepping stones (only kidding!!) I think that if a question is redundant and asked and answered to death. Most people will direct the person asking the question to the archives or answer off group. I don't think we need any more grounds rules than common sense. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:33:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:33:00 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.20330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Lyn, I live in Cape Cod, Mass. Unfortunately i know of no Glass shops near Boston. I do know of Whittemore Durgin,of Hanover,Mass. It is about forty minutes down the highway south of boston. I also shop at Stained glass emporium of Rehoboth ,Mass. That one is a small retail shop/studio that is about forty five minutes from the cape.. beyond New bedford and Dartmouth,Mass. I usually do alot of my buying mail order because these places don't always carry what I like. I would also be interested in Kowing if there were any good glass shops in the boston/southshore area other than these. Hope this helps somewhat,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:06:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:05:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: postings Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:13:28 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > For my own organizational skills, I like to see the current message at > the top. Then if I can't remember what the comment is referring to, I > can read on, to refresh my memory. Different strokes. What you suggest is fine; I prefer to comment below the snipped text, but I delete whatever text isn't necessary ... only keeping that which I'm commenting on. > someone suggested, because some company is trying to make it seem like > they handle alot more mail than they really do? Should we contact our > own ISPs to look into this problem? Or do we just learn to live with it? It's happened before, isn't your fault, will eventually clear up. Just delete the stuff you've read before (kinda like pressing the "Mute" button the the remote) and move on to the next message. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:21:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: postings Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042152.QAA29022@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I occasionally get duplicate postings but not every day and usually it is contained to one or maybe two users. If you are using two programs though, check to make sure that both of them is marked to delete the messages from the server. Otherwise you will see the message once in the ISP mail package and once in Netscape. I havent used Netscape mail package and your ISPs package could be one in a million different ones so you may need to check with them. In eudora, under Special, Switches mark sure the box besides "leave mail on server" is not checked. Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.184357.0> References: <<1998Feb2.145117.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in consideration of the others, IMNSHO. Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've > seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding > to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > ---Mike Savad > ----- > BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > > what is often small gain. > > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > > ____ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "You're not saying lead is safe, are you?" Gads, no, Albert! But, someone = questioned whether we knew anyone who had gotten sick from or died from lead poisoning working in stained glass. We don't know of anyone (except, of course, Elisabeth's friend). Makes me wonder the number of fatalities in the industry itself. Any statistics? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi pj (you lurker,you!) I think common sense is a good = ground rule. And it would probably include characteristics like kindness, patience, consideration, good manners... although those aren't too common = anymore.... maybe "good" sense would be a better ground rule. Best regards from cold, cloudy Colorado! Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: E-mail Ediquette Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.6250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "and the beat goes on" Sony and Cher It amazes me the way that people are sometimes, It seems at times like the vultures flock at the first sign of an injury and attack in groups. What I'm referring to is most recently is the Mike Savad affair with editing, maybe we all should edit a little more, but looking at my mail then there are many others who should as well why single a concerned and regular contributor, and if volume is a problem then why isn't there more concern about anecdotes, stories, and off topic material. One person is criticized and the piranhas seem to attack the individual rather than the topic. We all need to be concerned a little more with treating each other with respect, and I shall keep repeating this as long as it goes on. This happened to Albert, Howard, and others. I say lighten up, be gentler. I remember when I got this response when trying to smooth out my E mail format > "Windat files are unnecessary to any of us and make you look like a rookie!" < We are all rookies when it comes to computer programs because the problem is not just the sending but the receiving, the differences in programs and settings, just too many variables, and comments like that make me not want to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the side of kindness! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:49:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:45:13 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.224513.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk something happened with the mail I was sending.....sorry for the excess postings, but aol is acting up by sending the mail before I could type in my response to the person who asked. "Ouroborus" is the mythological multi-colored rainbow snake that by legend encircles th world/universe. Just a bit of trivia, but this glass company is well named ! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:50:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:40:06 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.22406.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 23:12:05 EST, you write: << I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:51:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead poisoning Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:32:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.63246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk You spiked my interest on this one, so I pulled out my medical books and found very little on the subject. Most care info is for acute ingestion. Which of course is life threatening. Didn't mention cumulative properties, but I am sure that lead poisoning is cumulative. The two main causes of lead poisoning is eating paint for children and work hazzards for adults, siting solder as one of those. Symptoms of lead poisoning are a result of chronic ingestion or inhalation of lead-bearing products. Lead poisoning is most commonly seen in children exhibiting pica(mulitple bruises the size of skin pores, usually seen in the mouth)behaviors but also occurs in adults who have chronically inhaled fumes from motor fuels, batteries, and paints. Accidental ingestion can occur from serving acidic liquids from lead-glazed pottery or antique pewter. Lead salts are absorbed by the blood, interfere with hemoglobin production and destroy kidney and brain tissue. Mental retardation is permanent in children with CNS(central nervous system) involvement. Increased lead levels (>15-50mg/100ml) This info from a 1990 copyright Nursing Care Plans book Chief Complaint: (this is for acute, not sure if it is the same chronic my guess is they would be similiar. Motor disturbances: paralysis following seizure, cerebellar ataxia, hemiplegia, decerebrate rigidity, facial or oculomotor paralysis. Seizures: general or focal Sensory deviations: polyneuritis Altered Levels of Consciousness: lethargy, coma, delirium Physical Exam: Symptoms of acute increased intracranial pressure; optic atrophy, anemia; wristdrop, footdrop. This is from a 1982 Nurse's Reference Library series. Whatever the degree of risk, the outcome forces us to take all the precautions we can. If you are exposed to the above degree of symptoms, then there is a treatment. Notice I say treatment. A drug that binds the lead to it and is then excreted in the urine can be given IV, with of course, lots of IV fluids to wash it out of your system. But if these symptoms appear over a long period of time, then I suspect the lead can not be washed out of your body and the only thing you can do, is, change your life style and learn to live with whatever problems it caused. When the lead binds to blood cells, it interupts their work. Seems to mainly attact the nervous system. Then it will destroy the kidneys, because that is where the body sends this offending agent to get rid of it. I wouldn't lie awake at night worrying about it, but I would certainly recommend taking all the wonderful advise that has been given here at bungi. And if you want to know what the big words mean, ask me off bungi and I will be glad to tell you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:55:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: "bungi" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: proposed new department Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:56:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.6567.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Perhaps a department (file) called the redundancy department of redundancy files may be needed to put the redundant post in so one could check from time to time to see if there are any new redundant files. :>) 'nuf from me....I have a lily to finish! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:56:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:55:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: postings Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:40:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.64041.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > It's happened before, isn't your fault, will eventually clear up. You mean it is all happening in cyberspace? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 14:56:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:39:45 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.223945.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 23:12:05 EST, you write: << I think someone was pulling your leg about the pronunciation. Most folks over here pronounce it "yock-uh-gay-nee" and I would presume the wholesalers would know since they call the factory on a regular basis. But, then again, with a name like that..... Now, how about Ouroboros? ;-) Best regard, Dani Greer = >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:12:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:11:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: Susan Jordan Bennett To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Where on Cape Cod? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:06:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.13611.0> References: <<1998Feb4.20330.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm in Sagamore Beach. Where in Cape Cod are you from, Judy? Susan IMN2GLASS2@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Lyn, > I live in Cape Cod, Mass. Unfortunately i know of no Glass shops near > Boston. > I do know of Whittemore Durgin,of Hanover,Mass. It is about forty minutes down > the highway south of boston. I also shop at Stained glass emporium of Rehoboth > ,Mass. > That one is a small retail shop/studio that is about forty five minutes from > the cape.. > beyond New bedford and Dartmouth,Mass. I usually do alot of my buying mail > order because these places don't always carry what I like. I would also be > interested in Kowing if there were any good glass shops in the > boston/southshore area other than these. Hope this helps somewhat,Judy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:56:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!tresmith From: tresmith@city-net.com (Theresa Smith) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: postings Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802042152.QAA29022@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I occasionally get duplicate postings but not every day and usually it is contained to one or maybe two users. If you are using two programs though, check to make sure that both of them is marked to delete the messages from the server. Otherwise you will see the message once in the ISP mail package and once in Netscape. I havent used Netscape mail package and your ISPs package could be one in a million different ones so you may need to check with them. In eudora, under Special, Switches mark sure the box besides "leave mail on server" is not checked. Theresa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:56:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:56:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gnt.net!lynb From: Lyn Butler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Subject: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:56:19 +0000 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.175619.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all responses to my question re: shops in and around Boston. Most helpful. My daughter thanks you all too. Appreciatively, Lyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 15:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 02:43:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb3.184357.0> References: <<1998Feb2.145117.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I have to disagree on the principle that you haven't got the right to ask or even to suggest to folks that they change their ISP to accomodate your editing habits. This is unsatisfatory and unkind behaviour-definitely NOT in the bungi spirit of cooperation! PLEASE edit, and don't be the reason that someone has to spend great sums of money to stay online and retrieve unecessary text in their mail, as in the UK where the phone line is charged by the per/min connection time...NOR the reason that someone has to quit subscribing to bungi because they feel offended by you having told them that they either have to change their ISP to accomodate your stubborness and lazy editing or SUFFER silently enduring. NO, I SAY! YOU should bend a little in consideration of the others, IMNSHO. Just my .50 cents worth.. (Inflation you know! ;-D ) V T Phelps M. Savad wrote: > though other's will disagree, you should get a better ISP that does'nt > charge for that. and besides, what listed above is very confusing. i've > seen people clip it so much that i have no idea what they're responding > to. and what was there to edit on the line above, what 4 lines...? > ---Mike Savad > ----- > BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > > > How about editing the text of the messages you respond to. You are > > costing some of a considerable amount of money in phone charges for > > what is often small gain. > > Bob > > Bob Duchesneau Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow > > ____ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:00:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "Mike Figgy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:59:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.135955.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk What about SwissCheesed GlassWerks? - Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada, M8Y 1L2 (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. -----Original Message----- From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: February 4, 1998 6:13 PM Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? >something happened with the mail I was sending.....sorry for the excess >postings, but aol is acting up by sending the mail before I could type in my >response to the person who asked. > "Ouroborus" is the mythological multi-colored rainbow snake that by >legend encircles th world/universe. Just a bit of trivia, but this glass >company is well named ! > ~Alison~ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "You're not saying lead is safe, are you?" Gads, no, Albert! But, someone = questioned whether we knew anyone who had gotten sick from or died from lead poisoning working in stained glass. We don't know of anyone (except, of course, Elisabeth's friend). Makes me wonder the number of fatalities in the industry itself. Any statistics? Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:13:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:12:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:11:09 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.0119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Okay. Everyone has been commenting on receiving duplicate and triplicate posts but has anyone found out how to stop it from happening? Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: penguin pattern? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:14:32 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.01432.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because I'm a beginner. Thank you! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:24:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:28:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:28:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.122823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi pj (you lurker,you!) I think common sense is a good = ground rule. And it would probably include characteristics like kindness, patience, consideration, good manners... although those aren't too common = anymore.... maybe "good" sense would be a better ground rule. Best regards from cold, cloudy Colorado! Dani = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:25:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: E-mail Ediquette Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:25:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.6250.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk "and the beat goes on" Sony and Cher It amazes me the way that people are sometimes, It seems at times like the vultures flock at the first sign of an injury and attack in groups. What I'm referring to is most recently is the Mike Savad affair with editing, maybe we all should edit a little more, but looking at my mail then there are many others who should as well why single a concerned and regular contributor, and if volume is a problem then why isn't there more concern about anecdotes, stories, and off topic material. One person is criticized and the piranhas seem to attack the individual rather than the topic. We all need to be concerned a little more with treating each other with respect, and I shall keep repeating this as long as it goes on. This happened to Albert, Howard, and others. I say lighten up, be gentler. I remember when I got this response when trying to smooth out my E mail format > "Windat files are unnecessary to any of us and make you look like a rookie!" < We are all rookies when it comes to computer programs because the problem is not just the sending but the receiving, the differences in programs and settings, just too many variables, and comments like that make me not want to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the side of kindness! Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:31:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:30:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Where on Cape Cod? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:23:37 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.02337.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susan ,I live on the Air national guard base,Wow we are close by too eachother...where do you get your glass? Email me anytime..Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:35:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:35:04 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb4.22354.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-03 22:15:26 EST, you write: << << Yock-a-gay-knee >> Well, when I called to place an order there a few months ago, I asked them how it was pronounced. Zane's and Albert's versions were how they told me to say it. Now, does anyone know if the word means anything? Just curious. ---- >> The Youghiogheny River runs through the nearby area, and is named for an indian tribe. I suppose the glass company took its name from the river. their logo is an indian head. But I was not aware of the correct pronunciation.......Thanks! ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 16:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:44:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: iscweb.com!sherrip From: Sherri Pierce To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------59B6197F5EAF" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Patterns or picture of wolf (head/shoulder view)] Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.93937.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pzaz Stained Glass Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------59B6197F5EAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, Just got your message about the wolf pattern. If you will call me with your address or E-mail, I will send you a color photo. I did a round about 18" and a large piece - 3'....Thanks to Suzan Haley for your request. The small pattern is 5.95 plus $1.00 ship/hand. The large one is $25.00 plus 3.00 ship/hand. I do not get to play with this computer much...I'm not too literate either. But I peck away at it. Sherri --------------59B6197F5EAF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from betty.mfi.com (198.71.19.36) by iscweb.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0b10); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:19:27 -0800 Received: from sf-mail.mfi.com by betty.mfi.com (8.8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA26681; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by sf-mail.mfi.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00) id AA878656806; Tue, 04 Nov 97 07:20:09 -0800 Message-Id: <9711048786.AA878656806@sf-mail.mfi.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.00 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 07:19:57 -0800 From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Subject: Re: Patterns or picture of wolf (head/shoulder view) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: R X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Carol, Contact Sherri Pierce, Pzaz Glass Studios, Petaluma, CA (Phone: 707 763-6220). e-mail address: sherrip@iscweb.com Also has a web page: http://www.artglassworld.com/studio/pzaz/ Mary Ellen is her assistant. Sherri has a pattern book available - Expressions in Glass. Recently has been doing quite a few designs re endangered species. I was in her shop last month when she had just finished a stunning wolf (shoulder/head view). Eyes were amazing. At that time she was going to send the pattern, picture of finished work, etc. into Stain Glass Quarterly. Give her a call, great artist, great shop! Suzanne Haley ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Paterns or picture of wolf Author: at Internet Date: 11/3/97 5:03 PM Hi : From another lurker! A little nervous about sending this request, as I am am quite computer illiterate. Would anyone know where I could find a wolf pattern that could be done in copper foil? Thanks in advance. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------59B6197F5EAF-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:20:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: penguin pattern Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:20:52 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050112.RAA02412@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susie, Following is a list of a bunch of suncatcher penguins I have found over the past few years. I believe all these books/patterns are still available: 6" penguin, in "Sundancers, 1st Edition", by Donna Eller (a book of 62 suncatcher patterns). Three different sizes (4"-10") of penguins (with scarf & cap) in "Simply Christmas", by Suzanne Cooper. Two (4" & 5") in "Scrap Happy", by Frankye & Suzy. A pair in "Vanishing Wildlife", by Renee Martig. A mother & baby (about 8") in, "Dreamin' On", by Kathleen. And, the largest I have found, is a single pattern (not in a book) by Aurora Publications, "#F30 Penguin on the Town", about 12"-13" tall. Jean jean@lasercom.net California ---------- > From: SusieHUs@aol.com > > Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a > few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because > I'm a beginner. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:22:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: penguin pattern? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:22:30 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.12230.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 19:40:14 EST, you write: << Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because I'm a beginner. Thank you! Susie ---- >> Hello Susie, There is a simple pattern for a penguin in the pattern book "Scrap happy" by Frankye Cartner and Suzy Pomeroy, (Published by Suzy Cooper) on page 11. (gee,all these people named Suzy !!) If you take the penguin out of the design and do it seperately, I think it is exactly what you are looking for. ~Alison~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: penguin patterns Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:30:40 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050122.RAA02775@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Opps! Found another penguin pattern (about 7 1/2") in, "Images by Terra", set #1014. Jean@lasercom.net California --------------- Susie wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a pattern for a penguin? I need to make a few for a group and I'd prefer something simple (suncatcher perhaps?) because I'm a beginner. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 17:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:49:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: FW: E Mail problems Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:29:36 -0200 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.182936.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, This is Gloria.. Some you expressed that you were having e mail = problems with my mail.. I have received my replies back from me with no = problems.. I have Microsoft Outlook.. I would like to reply back to the = group, but do not want to cause you problems.. Any help and suggestions = would be ap reciated. Thanks,=20 Gloria (from 3hounds) Also, I agree with the person today who said he had problems sending = directly to the "glass@bungi.com" address, I also could not connect.. = In fact this message I composed over a week ago and found it just now = when I was deleting my Delete Items box. The first message came back = undeliverable.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 18:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:03:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: vets and cats Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:59:40 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.15940.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Do any of you know of any patterns for suncatchers or small panels that include a veterinarian and a cat? Or perhaps just a veterinarian. Or maybe just a cat being held or stroked by a hand. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:12:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!lydia From: "lydia" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Re:Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:18:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.171850.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. > >Albert > Me Three ...(hehehe...) Lydia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:13:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: penguin pattern? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:42:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.94213.0> References: <<1998Feb5.01432.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Glassmith Studios Has 3 delightful easy penquin patterns. I believe it is in their Work in Progress pattern book. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:26:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:24:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: vets and cats Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:26:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050324.WAA15099@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Do any of you know of any patterns for suncatchers or small panels that >include a veterinarian and a cat? Or perhaps just a veterinarian. Or maybe >just a cat being held or stroked by a hand. Sorry, no, never seen either vet or cat with hand. Maybe you could take a cat (there's some good ones out there) and insert hand on cat's head? Suzanne > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:27:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:27:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!WhispyBlu From: WhispyBlu@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:26:49 EST Message-ID: <1998Feb5.32649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 98-02-04 14:46:50 EST, you write: << Forgive me for asking a redundant question! Lyn >> You don't need to be forgiven for the question you asked. You had every right to ask it....keep asking questions. If the only questions on bungi were ones that had never been asked before the posts would be few and far between. Hang in here Lynn!! I couldn't believe the response you received. If it wasn't for help from most of the people on bungi I would still be lost in cyberspace and would not have learned some better techniques or different ones. Lu Ann (Whispy Blu@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:32:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:31:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Creative Storage! Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:33:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050331.WAA15568@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'll bite on this one too! Cardboard beer case bottoms (they are about 18 inches long, 12 inches wide and have 2-3 inch sides on them) make good shallow containers for scrap glass. If you drink enough beer (!!) you could have one for every color in the rainbow. My whole bookcase-lined wall is filled with these things. I sort them not only by color, but by antique, waterglass, gluechip, spectrum wispy, etc.) Works out well for me. Suzanne (disclaimer: married to the beer drinker!!) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:37:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050337.WAA16013@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani wrote: >>It might SEEM to get boring, but >>if you go beyond the words to the >>people who are posting, you = >> >>actually get to know them as >>real spirits... not just words on the >>Internet. Try it, you'll like it! And pj wrote: >>And you also get to know who has patience, who has a sense of humor, >who has cats, who has kids, who has a busniess licence, who has >high lead levels....think this is getting to Howard.......who has a wife, >who has a husband,...... Suzanne writes: Right on, Dani & pj! We are all spirits first, glass artists second. And I know two who have a great sense of humor! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: FW: E Mail problems Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:37:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.173744.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria- The only thing I notice is =3D signs at the end of all your sentences, but who am I to talk with the CompuServe formatting problems I have?!! It's a = drag and now my spelling is going down the tubes.... life is hard. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:38:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:37:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.173736.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk More trivia - there is also a book entitled "The Worm Ouroboros" by E.R. Edison in which the worm symbolizes renewal or the cyclic nature of life. So, I guess a company that recycles some of their glass could appropriately be called that. Wished they'd spelled it the same - my memory's bad enough as it is! Best regards, DAni Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Where on Cape Cod? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.173751.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lyn- Just checked in Common Ground:Glass (the IGGA publication) and they list ten members in Mass. who may or may not have retail shops - it's hard to tell from the name and address. I suspect they're = probably also on the IGGA home page, but Albert could probably tell you more about that. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:41:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:40:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Board ideas Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:36:46 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.143646.0> References: <<1998Feb3.13531.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk What about doing cutouts of the knights, rooks, kings, queens, etc, using a Taurus Ring Saw, then foiling around the edge and soldering at a 90 degree angle to a small foiled glass circle or something? I KNOW that this is a bit of a 'cheat', but I thought it might start the ball rolling, so to speak... I too would LOVE to make a stained glass chess set! Let's see what the co-op can come up with eh, anyone else? V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. WhispyBlu@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-03 08:49:08 EST, you write: > > << This was just an experiment with scrap glass I > had in my box:)) >> > > Yes, but look at all the interest there is in chessboards and now it's gone on > to the actual chess pieces, all being made out of glass. This is something > I've been pondering myself, as it seems, so have a few others. Thanks for > getting it started. > > Lu Ann > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:40:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Windows for sale Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.17341.0> References: <<199802032018.MAA31543@norm.island.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all. I got a call from a Mr. Everett Cassidy informing me of some windows that the Catholic Diocese of Wyoming is looking to sell and I promised to help out. Fairly simple windows with painted religious symbols at the top. (They are also interested in any info including value or maker of the windows.) We do not buy old windows here and know little about appraisal so I have posted them on a web page at: www.dodgestudio.com/wndosale.htm If you want to take a look, the page is just plain spartan, but the pix are there along with the information about how to contact Mr. Cassidy. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 19:49:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:48:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:47:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.144753.0> References: <<1998Feb3.409.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then be fire-able? What sort of detail could be achieved with slumping? I don't do hot glass...YET! So, I have no clue at all how the pricing is structured for slumped glass, lamp-worked glass, etc. If it's not too awfully much trouble could you enlighten me somewhat? You may reply offline if it's a mere repeat of previous postings, k? TIA! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- >mike peck wrote: > > Hmmmmm ..... just a thought ..... I wonder if you could make some molds > of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of > course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible > colors. But, it's an idea. > > Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 20:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:01:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Duplicate posts Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:56:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.145621.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk Dupes, & trips here too. V T Phelps Dupes, & trips here too. V T Phelps Dupes, & trips here too. V T Phelps Dupes, & trips here too. [ROFLOL!] Anyone for quads?? V T Phelps > ---- >Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Is there anyone who has not yet commented...please do so all can be heard > > from and we can be done with it. > > Okay. I've been getting triplicate posts about triplicate posts. > > Albert > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 20:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Boston, MA Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:21:51 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.152151.0> References: <<1998Feb4.102312.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk There's a fabulously funny catalog I get from a place in Rockland, MA known as Whittemore-Durgin's. They sell retail, (but also sell wholesale only to 'qualified' buyers.) You take Rte. 3 South from Boston to the Cape, get off at Exit 14-for Rte. 123/Hingham St. Follow Hingham St. 2mi & it crosses Water St., then go 1 more mi and take a left onto Market St. right after the railroad tracks. Go down Market St. about a mile and it's 825 Market St., on your right across from Pace's Gas. Phone #617/871-1790. Happy hunting! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > ---- >Lyn Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, <> > Got a question for those who might be able to help. My daughter is > working in Boston, Mass. and is interested in knowing of any good glass > shops there or near there. She only just got there so she hasn't had a > chance to look but you can tell where her priorities are. That's my > girl! When she goes home on weekends she does her glass work. > > Thanks for any help, > Lyn > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 20:26:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:26:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: "glass bungi line" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 23:27:49 -0500 Message-ID: <199802050425.XAA21191@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Howard wrote: >Perhaps a department (file) called the redundancy department of redundancy >files may be needed to put the redundant post in so one could check from >time to time to see if there are any new redundant files. :>) Suzanne replies: My nomination is to nominate that the redundancy department of redundancy find a director to direct all redundant posts to their correctly redundant department of correctness. That way we could have all our redundancies (and also our glass scraps, both redundant and non-redundant) in their correctly redundant files. Redundantly yours, Suzanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:02:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dodgestudio From: dodgestudio@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:33:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.18333.0> References: <>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Silica Dust!!! It has long been my thought that the biggest exposure most hobbyists get is not from the grinder, but from drying the ground pieces in towels and then leaving them around the studio shedding silica dust all around. Each ground piece should be immediately placed into water and washed off before drying. It also helps to wet your floors a bit with a spray bottle if you sweep with a broom. As for lead ....... Some years ago I visited the Canfield factory. I was very surprised to see large vats of molten lead and solder, and all of the workers walking around without masks. I inquired as to how OSHA didn't protest and was told that at the temperatures at which solder is made and worked with lead did not vaporize and was not considered a hazard. Gary Dodge Dodge Studio Designs www.dodgestudio.com >> >> I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a >blood test >> if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you >ever had >> a blood test come back positive for high lead? >> >> I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now >take >> precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years >without >> paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested >positive, and >> I have never met anyone who has. >> >> >> >> , and hearing less about more immediate health >risks >> like silica dust or even fire prevention. >> >> What do you guys say? Am I alone in this viewpoint? >> >> Sarah >> > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:06:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:05:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:03:52, -0500 Message-ID: <199802050503.AAA08072@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then be fire-able? What sort of detail could be achieved with slumping? I don't do hot glass...YET! So, I have no clue at all how the pricing is structured for slumped glass, lamp-worked glass, etc. If it's not too awfully much trouble could you enlighten me somewhat? You may reply offline if it's a mere repeat of previous postings, k? TIA! Well maybe I am about to learn something. I think it is to hard but here goes. 1. I do not know of an easy way to create molds that will make a 3-D chess figure. The glass would need to be heated to much higher than the typical fusing temp of about 1500'F. 2. You could make an open face mold and slump into it but the impression would be slight and one sided. The greater the detail the greater the undesirable mold markings. 3. Fusing a figure from several different glasses is a basic fusing technique but the figure would likely be one sided (depending on design). 4. You could fuse 3. above on, say, a piece of clear and allow the bottom 1/2" of the clear to over hang the shelf thereby creating a bend at 90' for a stand up base. This approach is my best bet. I welcome any other ideas. Bob (with a kiln firing right now). ____ Bob Duchesneau (Freeway's mother) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:24:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050516.VAA16996@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I really should take a quick trip down South and see this guy. It can't be over 45 min. South of here, part way to San Diego. ---------- > From: BOB DUCHESNEAU > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:03 PM > > WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a > favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then > be > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:37:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.133755.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i will second it... weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:39:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:39:05 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050531.VAA17893@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ooops! Sent to Bungi in error. Please ignore. ---------- > From: Jean > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces > Date: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:24 PM > > > I really should take a quick trip down South and see this guy. It can't be > over 45 min. South of here, part way to San Diego. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:41:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: What about Ouroboros? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:40:38 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.134038.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My son has an iguana who is aptly called UROBOROS....it sits on his monitor, so it be a monitor lizard! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:42:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:42:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: E Mail problems Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:42:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.134224.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gloria, reply to me DIRECTLY...I am using Outlook Express and I will post back with some of their "stock" wallpapers for a test! weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 21:46:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:46:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: teleport.com!Weaver51 From: "Howard and Elaine Rubin" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pronounce Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.13464.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk driving Howard crazy is often times a SHORT (errr....politically incorrect) ride. should use abbreviated in place of..... A plus about having my "mail" presorted is the TRASH................. as an aside, I have had NO trouble since I loaded and started using Outlook Express. IE4 is pretty good, too. weaver51@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard enmeshed in the internet trapped in the world wide web ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 22:32:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:31:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!75054.2542 From: Monona Rossol <75054.2542@compuserve.com> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (Fwd) Blood Tests for Le Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:59:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.195947.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Long--Answer to Sarah Hi Everyone, > I have heard stained glass people advising one another to get a blood test > if they are concerned about lead. My question is, have any of you ever had > a blood test come back positive for high lead? < You bet. Again and again. I've been taking calls from craftspeople including stained glass workers since 1977 and many stained glass workers are having problems. Most often, however, it is their children that having high lead counts just from living in a house where the craft was done. If you need literature, you can start with an early paper: Landrigan P.J., Tamblyn P.B., Nelson M., Kerndt P., Kronoveter K.J., Zack M.M., "Lead exposure in stained glass workers. American Journal of Industrial Medicine 1(2): 177-180 [1980] And you might want to talk to Bill Cummings, Cummings Studio in North Adams, Mass. whose studio meets that OSHA Lead Standard. They do regular blood lead and air sampling tests on their workers. > I have been doing stained glass for over 10 years and although I now take > precautions against lead exposure in my workshop, I went many years without > paying any attention at all to this risk. I have never tested positive, and > I have never met anyone who has. < You don't test "positive" for lead. All people have lead in their blood. What you need to know is how much lead was in your blood in your last test. In addition, tests must be taken while you are working with lead regularly. After about two weeks, most of the lead from your blood has deposited in your bones and tissues and will not register on a blood test. People who don't work with lead or live in contaminated environments usually have blood leads in the range of 1-3 micrograms per deciliter (ug/dL) or 0.05-0.14 micromoles/liter (ummol/dL) if you are getting your tests done in Canada. I live in a NYC lead painted apartment on a busy street and I'm up to about 4 ug/dL. If you are above this, you are getting some contribution from your work. Children at 10 ug/dL are losing IQ points. Adults probably are too, but its hard to measure adult IQ changes. At 15 ug/dL, medical professionals are supposed to "intervene" if children have blood leads this high. And adult should also take immediate action to reduce exposure. At either 20 or 25 ug/dL, most states will forward your tests results to be entered in the Centers for Disease Control data bank for surveillance of lead toxicity in adults. The question is: where are you in this spectrum? > This may not be very politically correct, but how much lead can we possibly > take in while working with glass? Despite what some people say, lead isn't > absorbed through the skin, that is what the skin is for - to keep out > foreign matter, and it works pretty well.< We don't know how much it contributes, but lead goes right thought the skin. The only study of this phenomena was done in 1988. I have the whole study and it was also discussed in Lancet, Issue 16, July 1988. If you'd like a copy, let me know. > So we either inhale it or ingest it, and how much really gets in your > mouth?< Soldering creates an invisible lead fume particle that can be inhaled. This particle will also contaminate the workspace, your hair, clothing, etc. Ingestion occurs when small amounts are transferred from hands to food. > We seem to spend a lot of time worrying about lead, and hearing less > about more immediate health risks like silica dust or even fire prevention.< You don't have silica exposures in stained glass normally. Glass is a silicate and doesn't cause silicosis. Lead is a much more serious long-term problem. And women who get pregnant, mobilize that lead they've stored in their bones and provide it to the fetus. It makes no sense for women to take this attitude toward lead. > What do you guys say? Sheeshh. Amazing and depressing. > Am I alone in this viewpoint? < I profoundly hoped you were, but I saw a couple other posts from people as misinformed as you are. Very scary. Monona Rossol, industrial hygienist Arts, Crafts and Theater Safety 181 Thompson St., # 23 New York, NY 10012-2586 212/777-0062 http://www.caseweb.com/acts/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 22:50:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:49:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Chess Boards Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:48:21 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't knowwhere the name came from, but the Staunton designisthe only design acceptable in tourementchess It is the one were the pawns have the little ball onthe top, the bishop has a ball on the top, is taller and has a slit in it. The peices re distinctive and easy to differentiate from each other. I eprsonally prefer something prettier On 4 Feb 98, Toby wrote: > been planning to do a chess board (for myself). To make the chess > pieces as well (perhaps in other materials...?) sounds absolutely > delicious! Staunton Pattern. Staunton WHO?? Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:06:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: "Glenn Spicer" , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:04:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hear Hear. Well said!! On 4 Feb 98, Glenn Spicer wrote: > a rookie!" < We are all rookies when it comes to computer programs because the > problem is not just the sending but the receiving, the differences in programs > and settings, just too many variables, and comments like that make me not want > to care what others receive. I receive noise, 3 word columns, unedited > responses, doubles and triples and irrelevant material and just deal with it > the best I can without whining. Give the benefit of the doubt and error on the > side of kindness! Myrddn Solder while the iron is hot ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:15:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NCScouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 02:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.18958.0> References: <<1998Feb4.133755.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.; Roanoke Island NC USA Precedence: bulk I third it, is the motion carried Glenna? Shall we send them to or , hmmmm? [with a VBG] V T Phelps > ---- >Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote: > > i will second it... > > weaver51@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard > enmeshed in the internet > trapped in the world wide web > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:16:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:15:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: lead poisoning: I fear beating a dead horse Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:00:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.14027.0> References: <<34D9164C.4D73@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Shirley Balloch wrote: > > After I sent that last bit. I thought why not check out the internet. > I got like 16,000 hits. > I looked through the first 80. They were mostly concerned with children. > But I did find 2 sites that may answer some questions. Gave me alot > more to think about. > You know me, I never get these things right, but here goes. > http://www.dmp.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm > http://www.medaccess.com/newsletter/nl0715/article2.htm -- x>"3 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:16:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:16:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Silicosis Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:52:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.135232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk Seems like us stepping stone makers have a double whammy on this one. Found two sites with info on this one: http://www.osha.sle.gov/OshDoc/Fact_data/FSN96-54.html http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/as/28249.html Anything else hazzardous in this field you want me to find a site about? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Feb 4 23:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:20:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: lead poisoning: I fear beating a dead horse Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.93052.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk After I sent that last bit. I thought why not check out the internet. I got like 16,000 hits. I looked through the first 80. They were mostly concerned with children. But I did find 2 sites that may answer some questions. Gave me alot more to think about. You know me, I never get these things right, but here goes. http://www.dmp.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm http://www.medaccess.com/newsletter/nl0715/article2.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 00:11:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!balloch From: Shirley Balloch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: (Fwd) Blood Tests for Le Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 23:01:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1998Feb4.15115.0> References: <<1998Feb4.195947.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Maiden Concepts Precedence: bulk > You don't have silica exposures in stained glass normally. Glass is a > silicate and doesn't cause silicosis. Please please tell me this also goes for those of us who use our grinders as our second glass cutter. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 00:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:15:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lasercom.net!jean From: "Jean" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: lead poisening Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:14:45 -0800 Message-ID: <199802050806.AAA23642@intergate.lasercom.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk After I sent that last bit. I thought why not check out the internet. > I got like 16,000 hits. > I looked through the first 80. They were mostly concerned with children. > But I did find 2 sites that may answer some questions. Gave me alot > more to think about. > You know me, I never get these things right, but here goes. > http://www.dmp.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm > http://www.medaccess.com/newsletter/nl0715/article2.htm > Seems like us stepping stone makers have a double whammy on this one. > Found two sites with info on this one: > http://www.osha.sle.gov/OshDoc/Fact_data/FSN96-54.html > http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/as/28249.html > Anything else hazzardous in this field you want me to find a site about? > ---- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 00:30:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:29:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 08:31:06 +0000 Message-ID: <199802050828.IAA26686@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Savad wrote >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, what editing! ;-) brevity Mike thats what we want Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:05:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:05:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Where on Cape Cod? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Just checked in Common Ground:Glass > (the IGGA publication) and they list ten > members in Mass. who may or may not > have retail shops - it's hard to tell from the > name and address. I suspect they're = > > probably also on the IGGA home page, > but Albert could probably tell you more > about that. We've been posting the newest members, but not the entire list ... I've been thinking about putting up the entire list, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:06:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:05:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Makes > me wonder the number of fatalities > in the industry itself. Any statistics? Not from me ... Monona maybe. I think most instances are hushed up; too horrible to discuss, company wouldn't want it known, etc. There *was a report a few years ago about a glassmaker who ate a spoonful of arsenic as a way of committing suicide (horrible, horrible!), but the company very quickly began denying that had happened, no surprise. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:06:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:05:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I welcome any other ideas. Bob (with a kiln firing right now). Pate de verre will produce 3-dimensional pieces. Whole 'nuther glass technique, though. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:06:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:12:42 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > PS Albert did you get the necessary info for my membership via fax? Yes, thanks. Your membership kit's on the way. Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association 54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809 (413) 663-5512 Fax: (413) 663-7167 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Membership http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 01:09:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:09:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hawk.rmplc.co.uk!mdcglas From: Phil To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: E-mail Ediquette Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 09:11:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199802050908.JAA29358@mx0.rmplc.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote >What >I'm referring to is most recently is the Mike Savad affair with editing, > maybe we all should edit a little more It's true that we should all pay attention to editing - but I think the reason that mike has borne the brunt of this is that this whole thread is a repeat of one that occured - about a year ago - I think, and his attitude at that time was the same as it is this time - that's the way I do it so there! even if those quoting multiple replies would remove the >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Part from each message it would help! Phil ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 03:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:49:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vgernet.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:55:22 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very short comments to them. What people want is for you to be considerate, to clip only a very short bit of any message, just that bit that you're responding to, adding your response to it. They won't have any trouble following your thread. Since you're convinced that what you're doing is all right, that you're fine and everyone else is wrong ... your attitude for months, years even ... it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, the thoughtful thing to try to get along and avoid angering and frustrating everyone else -- not to mention cost them money (I'm thinking of the UK participants here), this is what I suggest: You do whatever you want (as if) and the rest of us can either: 1. set filters so that we don't even *see messages from you 2. ignore your continuing rudeness and get back to talking glass The UK members seem to be ready to absorb the additional expense to them caused by your refusal to edit ... at least they've resigned themselves to it, given your obstinate refusal to be thoughtful and considerate ... the rest of us, more fortunate mostly for having flat-rate phone service, can opt for item one or two above. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:39:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:38:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Blood Tests for Lead Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:37:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802051337.IAA24166@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert wrote, > >There *was a report a few years ago about a glassmaker who ate a >spoonful of arsenic as a way of committing suicide (horrible, >horrible!), but the company very quickly began denying that had >happened, no surprise. Must have been dealing with some of our interior designers. my best, pj (who loves all of our clients) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:43:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@BUNGI.COM'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Skyhooks Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:38:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.33812.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Monkey wrenches and T-Squares come in left and right handedness...Sky hook are universal.... Linda Dani said: Were you looking for left-handed skyhooks, or right? ;) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Boston,MA Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:53:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199802051353.IAA24765@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Danie worte, >Hi pj (you lurker,you!) I was not lurking.....I was selectivly reading. Glad to hear you spelling is going too. Wonder if it has to do with glass? Or solder fumes? Maybe they attach themselves to the part of you brain that makes you able to think, spell and typeat the same time.. I can also chew gum at the same time so I didn't think that was it. Ah ...I wonder if rambling has something to do with enviornmental conditions. I guess I'd better check the filter in the exhaust. my best, pj (today I will not judge) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 05:56:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:55:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Thu, 05 Feb 98 08:53:19 EST Message-ID: <980205.085436.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199802050425.XAA21191@uz.ComCAT.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Suzanne-- i pride myself on having no redundant glass scraps. Redundant patterns, yes. Redundant files...I have a lot too many. But not glass scraps. Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 06:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:12:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pronounce Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.41131.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Myrddn: >how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ?< Yauk-a-gay-nee is how we in the Philadelphia area pronounce it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 06:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:17:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pronounce Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.41546.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Myrddn: >how do you pronounce Youghiogheny. ?< Yauk-a-gay-nee is how we in the Philadelphia area pronounce it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:02:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:01:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: vets and cats Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:59:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.45923.0> References: <<1998Feb5.15940.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Classydad@aol.com wrote: > > Do any of you know of any patterns for suncatchers or small panels that > include a veterinarian and a cat? Or perhaps just a veterinarian. Or maybe > just a cat being held or stroked by a hand. > > Thanks. > ---- i know there are like a million cat designs out there, but the vet part may have to be customly done. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:08:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Chess Boards and pieces Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.5451.0> References: <<1998Feb4.144753.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NCScouter wrote: > > WOW! I really like this idea! Is it possible to take a casting of a > favorite set? Do they make stuff that will take an imprint and then be > fire-able? What sort of detail could be achieved with slumping? I > don't do hot glass...YET! So, I have no clue at all how the pricing is > structured for slumped glass, lamp-worked glass, etc. If it's not too > awfully much trouble could you enlighten me somewhat? You may reply > offline if it's a mere repeat of previous postings, k? > > TIA! > V T Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > > ---- > >mike peck wrote: > > > > Hmmmmm ..... just a thought ..... I wonder if you could make some molds > > of pawns, knights, bishops, etc, and slump scrap glass into them. Of > > course, you'd have to sort through your scraps to find COE compatible > > colors. But, it's an idea. > > > > Mike Peck > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hydrocal takes exellant detail but you can only fire it once. i tried slumping glass in a small form i made using filigree. one was a butterfly and it picked up all the minute lines. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: I Like Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.52143.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously > isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like > for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very > short comments to them. > > What people want is for you to be considerate, to clip only a very > short bit of any message, just that bit that you're responding to, > adding your response to it. They won't have any trouble following > your thread. > > Since you're convinced that what you're doing is all right, that > you're fine and everyone else is wrong ... your attitude for months, > years even ... it's apparent you're not going to do the polite thing, > the thoughtful thing to try to get along and avoid angering and > frustrating everyone else -- not to mention cost them money (I'm > thinking of the UK participants here), this is what I suggest: > > You do whatever you want (as if) and the rest of us can either: > > 1. set filters so that we don't even *see messages from you > 2. ignore your continuing rudeness and get back to talking glass > > The UK members seem to be ready to absorb the additional expense to > them caused by your refusal to edit ... at least they've resigned > themselves to it, given your obstinate refusal to be thoughtful and > considerate ... the rest of us, more fortunate mostly for having > flat-rate phone service, can opt for item one or two above. > > Albert > the most anyone can be downloading at anyone time could'nt be anymore than a few K. text does'nt take up that much space, the triplicate posts take up way more than that. when i do respond it's almost always way more that a word or two, unless of course those are the only ones you read. i may respond to many things in the paragraph, and i'm not about to waste a bunch of time going through what i don't want in there. i say read if you want to or don't it's not terribly repeated, i've seen worse. i've seen no qouting at all, do you like that? it's short is'nt it. a real pleasure to read. you don't need to scroll at all. you have no idea what they're replying about, but that's ok, becuase it's very edited. most of the texts that i'm replying to are a paragraph or so, are you telling me that your too lazy to scroll down to read the new stuff? the whole message could'nt be more than 1-2K. how short does it have to be? most people (including myself), download, read it, deleat it. but some messages i put aside. months later i may use them for reference, if it does'nt have the original statement in it, there may be no way of remembering what it was about. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:26:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:26:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: proposed new department Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:24:29 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: proposed new department" on Feb 5, 2:09, "NCScouter" writes:] > I third it, is the motion carried Glenna? > Shall we send them to or > , hmmmm? > [with a VBG] V T Phelps > > > > i will second it... Send them to your ISP (if it's duplicate msgs. you're talking about) -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:33:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:32:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Projects Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:23:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.52324.0> References: <<199802050828.IAA26686@mx0.rmplc.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Phil wrote: > > Mike Savad wrote > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > what editing! ;-) > > brevity Mike thats what we want > > Phil > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's nice....why? your going to read it and delete it anyway. is it becuase everyone has to scroll down a little, they don't want to move they're hand a little bit? i don't see the point. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 2-2-98 New Pages Added: 22 New Stained Glass Links, 7 New Projects Added and My Updated Shop Photo's ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:43:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: Philip McRae To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Mike's Refusal to Edit Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.53841.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have for the last six to eight months, filtered out Mike's messages. There is no excuse for his being on the list, using his editing principles. phil7 (I'll stand close to the monitor, absorbing all the electronic spears that will soon be chucked at me.) Albert Lewis wrote: > > >my editing is fine, i have no idea what people want, > > Mike, despite your feeling that your editing is fine, it obviously > isn't what the members of this group would prefer. They would like > for you to not repeat entire messages, appending your often very > short comments to them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Feb 5 07:46:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!nadinesfolly From: Nadine Beth Schneider To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: FW: E Mail problems Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 11:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1998Feb5.65454.0> References: <<1998Feb4.182936.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Nadine's Folly Precedence: bulk Gloria and George. . . I have no problems with your messages. . .but I do get everything three times! Could it be because the bungi address appears three times in reply to, to and to again? Regards, Nadine ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Ar