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Hi Glenna,
Please add my name on to the mailing list.  Thanking you in advance.
Sincerely, Lorna

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> Well, it's a good book and certainly the
> most recent thing I've read about the
> subject. 

Not to mention it's the only book on the subject. <s>

> a little promoting!  Good grief!  How often
> do the newcomers to this site hear about
> the International Guild of Glass Artists,
> Mr. Director?  You are almost as bad as
> my husband who is Mr. Understatement =
> personified!  For example, when I signed
> us up as members of I.G.G.A., I was thrilled
> to learn that I would get membership logos
> to put on my shop door as part of the cost.

Aw, it *is listed in the benefits of membership on the Guild's site 
... and I think it's also mentioned in the printed materials.

> you ask?  Because I.G.G.A.'s logos are
> about the size of a quarter, clear with
> thin black print.... VERY subtle... 

Too bad ... I didn't realize anyone felt that way about the size of 
the membership sticker ... I just had them re-done, too, with the 
1998-1999 dates and certainly could have had them made larger. Next 
year? Perhaps you should remind me in about 12 months time.

Have a happy!  We stayed in last night; it's bitterly cold here -- 1 
degree when we went to bed at 10 (yes, I know, real party poopers we 
are). We were going to watch some of the celebrations on TV but the 
cable went out at 10 so that was it on the festivities. A friend of 
ours had given us a bottle of Moet (very nice) and a bunch of goodies 
(anchovies, caviar, German cookies), so we had some of those and 
called it our own little celebration.  Made resolutions ... one 
resolution, anyway: join a health club here locally to swim away some 
of my keyboarding tension. <s>  We'll see if I can keep that.

Say hi and happy new year to Michael, The Understated.

Albert

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My wish for New Year's is that I begin to believe that stained glass
design is infinitely more beautiful when created with big pieces with
straight edges than small pieces with lots of curves. ;-)

Hilary
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Len 
are you the one that attaached a file for plant buddies and if so do I need a
special unzip to retrieve it?  it asks for disk something or other to unzip
deb
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I second that Hilary!!:) Judy
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On 30 Dec 97, Wayne Munro wrote:

> Happy New Year Gang!
> ...Can anyone out there tell me what size sandblast nozzles I should be
> using for etching and sand carving? Also, where I can get them? 
> ...What kind of sand (Grit?) would you recommend?
> 
> I am trying to teach myself this technique and I could sure use some
> pointers!! Thanks...
>    Wayne


I found a catalog site that sells sand blasting equipment, that was most 
informative, even without contacting them

http://www.etchworld.com/

They might be of help
Myrddn
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Myrddn, thanks for the information but I think you ment to send it to
Wayne Munro.

Steve

On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 16:24:00 +0000, you wrote:

>On 30 Dec 97, Wayne Munro wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year Gang!
>> ...Can anyone out there tell me what size sandblast nozzles I should =
be
>> using for etching and sand carving? Also, where I can get them?=20
>> ...What kind of sand (Grit?) would you recommend?
>>=20
>> I am trying to teach myself this technique and I could sure use some
>> pointers!! Thanks...
>>    Wayne
>
>
>I found a catalog site that sells sand blasting equipment, that was most=
=20
>informative, even without contacting them
>
>http://www.etchworld.com/
>
>They might be of help
>Myrddn
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That sounds great.. I could  snali mail him..Thanks again.
Gloria

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I used to work for a man Named Phil, he makes kilns.  I could give you info
if you would like.  His buiseness Rainbow Glass and Beads is in Sacramento
Ca.
Hope this helps.
Melissa

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Talking about reviving.. George bought me a nice, very nice kiln for
Christmas..  I know that kiln work has been replaced by mosaics as the
trend,  but all ideas would be apprecieited.. Would like to start with the
folded candle shelter, but would  like to to do a lot more..   Was there a
pair of girls in Floriada, maybe "Fantasia?" that has a kiln line.... thanks
you.
Gloria

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: plant buddies

This might be of interest to folks who make suncatchers

I have been rummaging around in my old stuff and found  a few of my *plant
buddy* prototypes. These were essentially small 6-8 piece copper foiled
ditties.... cute  multi-color insect forms in side view with the wings up
and a segmented body............ they were soldered to a lenght of bronze
brazing rod which is nice and stiff and easy to solder. The marketing idea
was to  stick one, or better yet several  :-)  down into the pot of a nice
plant and have it positioned in an attractive light catching manner.

Sold a bunch of these at one point and I was wondering if they ever became a
standard  hobbiest item. If not they might be worth reviving....can never
have too many variations in the craft and novelties market.

Len


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Thanks,
I have the Diamond Max, and never thought of that one.. Do you just attach a hose to the hose that is projuding..
Gloria

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Brenda,

Not very hard to take care of, change the water every 2-3 days depending
on your use, if it will not be used in several days, drain it, clean
well, and check the grommets for wear.  When I start to use mine, I
either pour ice (or a block of 'Blue Ice') in the left hand side.  It is
supposed to prolong the life of the blade, and does cut better.  Don't
over fill, but make sure the blade is wet when cutting.  The black
rubber drive belt carries the water to the blade.  When draining and
cleaning do not immerse the motor, and dry well when done.  Be careful
not to use a 'rag' or other cloth when the blade is running.  If you
need to wipe the work surface use a sponge. In Florida's wet climate,
put one or two drops of bleach in the water (not more) to keep pond scum
from growing.  I'm in Sarasota, Florida.  

One other tip, for Diamond Max grinder owners, attach a 4-6 foot long
clear plastic tube to the discharge line of the grinder.  Use a ring
clamp to secure it tight, and run this new 'drain' line to a 2-3 gallon
bucket on the floor under your bench.  Voila-no more overflowing drain
water cups.  And put a few drops of bleach in the bucket with the water
to keep the pond scum down, too.

Enjoy, both gismo's make my life a lot easier, and I cut soft metals
with the ring saw too.  If you cut precious metals, you can precipitate
out the cuttings to be sent back to the refiners.  I do jewelry too. 
The Diamond Max/Bevel Max are great for limited stone polishing, when
I've gotten a nick in a gemstone.  

Lee Boe
Rain-Boe's Creations


Ken Neil wrote:
> 
> Santa bought me for Christmas a Taurus II,  and I just love it!!   The only
> thing I'm a little disappointed with is it didn't come with any
> instructions on when and how to clean the saw???   How often do you change
> the water?  I imagine you have to be real careful not to get the motor
> wet??  I know a lot of you guys have the same saw.....Please let me know
> what you think is best.   Of course any other comments or suggestions on
> the saw are always welcome and greatly appreciated.  Thanks Brenda
> 
> ********************************************************************
>                 Been There........
>                                 Done That!
> Ken Neil
> Jupiter, Florida
> ********************************************************************
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Good Luck with the Paragon.. It is a nice kiln..   Easy to use.. If you =
need help, leave me know.. Pretty confident with the Paragon.. There are =
or were some decent pattern books and slumping molds, I think from =
"Sunshine"', Made some 3-D roses on a trellis a few years ago... I do =
have the  books and can you the titles if you like.. the molds I  bought =
about 2 - 3 years ago..=20
Best fusing to you.
Gloria

Or as Gil Reynolds says, "Keep a warm kiln"


-----Original Message-----
From:	leestat7 [SMTP:leestat7@home.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, December 31, 1997 10:11 PM
To:	glass@bungi.com
Subject:	Re: Gatewayed mail message

Me too PJ, still haven't gotten all the Christmas orders finished, nose
to the grinder stone. =20

Happy New year to everyone, may 1998 be more profitable for everyone,
and not 'clump' up the orders so much. =20

Santa brought me a scanner and a Paragon insta-heat little kiln, so will
be busy glassing and finally getting some pictures together for my web
site.  Now all I have to do is get the web site set up.  Joy oh Joy, how
come there is not 3 of me??

Tonight is New Years eve, the one night of the year I guaranty I will
stay home, and not fight the traffic.

And last for PJ, one cup of coffee a day may keep the headaches away.  I
drink tea, and lots of it.  Coffee gives me an upset stomach, but a cup
when I have a headache works.

Best Wishes for 1998 to all,

Lee Boe
Rain-Boe's Creations

pj friend wrote:
>=20
> dani wrote,
>=20
> >"Going too fast, too much on the
> >plate"  - Boy, can we relate, Albert!!
> >I truly cannot remember the last
> >time I was bored.... and think what
> >a blessing that is, really.
>=20
> Bored??/ I wanna be bored!! At least for five minutes so I can =
remember what
> it felt like.  I would also like one day to get more than 6 hours =
sleep and
> be able to have one conversation without call waiting going off.
>=20
> I would also like to have a pot of coffee in front of me.  (can you =
tell I
> gave it up?)
>=20
> Anyone else have some new years wishes???  Besides the world peace one =
and
> no hunger and good health.
>=20
> Lets share and make them funny.
>=20
> I will go first this time.
>=20
> For New Years I wish that 1998 would not go as fast as 1997.  That =
summer
> would be a true four or five months instead of the blink of an eye.
> I wish that Paris would move closer to New Jersey or that if thats =
impossible
> the ride on the Concorde didn't make me so sick.
> I also wish that our apprentice could go to the men who cloned Dolly =
and
> get herself cloned.
>=20
> And last but certainly not least.  For 1998 I wish that coffee wasn't =
as bad
> for me as
> without it makes me feel.
>=20
> my best and Happy and Healthly New Year to all of you.
>=20
> pj (who thinks the new years eve party will be in her dreams.)
>=20
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Have had a Taurus for a couple of months. When you cut for a few hours, the
sentiment really goes all over the bottom. I recommend you clean it after each
major using. Also, the idea of using ice cubes really works. If you want more
info, contact me at dward@357.com.

Good luck,


David

Ken Neil wrote:

> Santa bought me for Christmas a Taurus II,  and I just love it!!   The only
> thing I'm a little disappointed with is it didn't come with any
> instructions on when and how to clean the saw???   How often do you change
> the water?  I imagine you have to be real careful not to get the motor
> wet??  I know a lot of you guys have the same saw.....Please let me know
> what you think is best.   Of course any other comments or suggestions on
> the saw are always welcome and greatly appreciated.  Thanks Brenda
>
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Hello? Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in a while from bungi.
If I don't see this by tomorrow, I'll apply again.

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looks like we're not the  only one who is wondering what's going on.

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> Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 9:54 PM
> 
> Hello? Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in a while from bungi.
> If I don't see this by tomorrow, I'll apply again.
> 
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> altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's
> most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for
> others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
> 
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Yes Carl it is on.

Patrick
Roses and Rainbows

Carl Childers wrote:

> Hello? Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in a while from bungi.
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>
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Seems if we are not debating the great coat hanger fiasco, we have nothing
to say!

Sad...............ask me a lamp question.

I will have answers to a few pending requests shortly..........actually
been working.

enjoy, H
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Hi and Happy New Year,

We are in the process of designing my stained glass room (we have enough
room in the house to provide two hobbie rooms, one for my husband and
one for me) and we are trying to decide how to use the Morton large
cutting surface and turn it into a light box that lies flush with the
rest of the counter.  Got a couple of questions that maybe you folks
have already been through.

Questions:

1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure
the light from below?  I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm
cutting.

2.  How many lamps underneath should be used?  What size?

If anyone has any suggestions I'd be really appreciative.

Thanks,

Sandy
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Message text written by INTERNET:glass@bungi.com
>Questions:

1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure
the light from below?  I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm
cutting.

2.  How many lamps underneath should be used?  What size?<

My dad made me a light table using 3 side-by-side Morton mini
surfaces with a large light box underneath.  He used clear Plexiglass
cross braces to support the Morton surfaces.  He placed them about
one every 6 inches, and they sit down into the light box so that when
the Morton surfaces are laying atop them, they create a surface area
flush with the wooden frame.  Under them is a couple of shop florescent
lamps (regular type).  I lined the box with aluminum foil to help reflect=

the
light up out of the box, but I probably should have just painted it white=
=2E
This setup lets you use both surfaces of the Morton system - the grid
for cutting and the flat surface for glass selection and pattern work.
I actually have my light table in a free-standing box atop some table
legs (purchased from Home Depot), which are atop some wheels.
This way I can wheel the light table out into the middle of the room,
'set' the table by putting its wheels in plastic 'stops' (I don't know =

their technical name) so that it doesn't roll around.  I can now cut very=

large sheets of glass, walk around the table to cut from any angle,
have customers on one side while I'm on the other, etc.  I also marked
a ruler on two sides of the box so that I have a handy guide right there.=


You can dump the glass shards into the light box as needed, and then
sweep it up with a brush for safe disposal.  This sure keeps the floor
area clean!

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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OK Howard - you asked people for lamp questions.  Here's one of mine.
I've got a 20" Worden system lampshade, pattern #P20-4 Rose which has
a crown.  I've been working on this lampshade off and on for over a year.=

I've got the sections finished and soldered inside & final outside bead f=
or
the main part of the lampshade.  But how do I do the crown?  It consists =
of
a ring, which I have elected to make out of small glass squares, and then=

the 'crown' section coming off the ring at a flare.

Questions:
1. How do I attach the hanging hardware to the lampshade body?
2. How do I attach the ring of glass in the crown to the lampshade body?
3. How do I attach the crown?

Any and all answers greatly appreciated, as I have gotten pretty disguste=
d
with this lamp and cannot get my motivation up to finish it.

Thanks.
Christie A. Wood
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Hi Howard,

When you select glass for your lamps, how do you do it?

Do you view the glass through incandescent light, and do you have some 
kind of system rigged up to do that?

What kind of glass is most effective for the kind of lamps you do?

Suzanne
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Hi everyone,

Hope you all had a wonderful holiday season.

I have a question regarding reinforcing.  I'm making a square
project with some bevels in it.  The final piece will be about 23" x 23"
and it is going to be mounted on the inside of a very frequently
used door. There is an existing window in the door and this piece
will sit on the inside, behind the existing glass.  How should I
reinforce this?  I was planning on running some strongline through
the project.  What direction do I weave it through the project?
Will this be sufficient reinforcing?  I am making this for a friend
and don't want it to fall apart.  Also, when mounting it should they
leave some air space?  The climate is cold in the winter and I am
not sure whether or not condensation will build up between the two
glass pieces.

Thanks in advance for any help.


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In a message dated 98-01-03 03:02:00 EST, you write:

> Seems if we are not debating the great coat hanger fiasco, we have nothing
>  to say!
>  
Dont't worry Howard I'm not gonna say another word about it,  but I think I
have it figured out..... it kinda tells us what type of people we all are,
Christmas time we were all very busy and stressed out, BUT everyone kept up
with the mail and there was PLENTY.  Now take New Years and not much mail....
Hmmm me thinks everyone is recuperating.  Not me I'm still in the stressed
factor and waiting for January to be over and inventory done.
deb   :)
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Hi Christi,

        I used to go visit my Mom in Reno we always went gambling.  During
one of my visits I won $1,000.00.  When I returned home I bought a few
hundred dollars worth of Fisher flashed and Fisher antique, 25 pounds of
solder, a few odds and ends tools, German pliers and a 37" x 53" light
table.

The light table has 3 switches and one electrical socket.  It is made out of
oak plywood.  The top is 1/2" plate glass and sits in a routered out lip, a
piece of white plastic is against the glass to defuse the light.  It has
3-48" two light fluorescent bulb units.  The bottom is enclosed, the legs
are made out of lathed stairway rungs and it has a shelf under the bottom of
the table.  I paid $375.00 quite a bargain.  Had it since 1981.  Hope this
helps
Melissa  8^)


-----Original Message-----
From: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo <Ensembles@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 6:43 AM
Subject: Light box design


>Message text written by INTERNET:glass@bungi.com
>>Questions:
>
>1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure
>the light from below?  I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm
>cutting.
>
>2.  How many lamps underneath should be used?  What size?<
>
>My dad made me a light table using 3 side-by-side Morton mini
>surfaces with a large light box underneath.  He used clear Plexiglass
>cross braces to support the Morton surfaces.  He placed them about
>one every 6 inches, and they sit down into the light box so that when
>the Morton surfaces are laying atop them, they create a surface area
>flush with the wooden frame.  Under them is a couple of shop florescent
>lamps (regular type).  I lined the box with aluminum foil to help reflect=
>
>the
>light up out of the box, but I probably should have just painted it white=
>=2E
>This setup lets you use both surfaces of the Morton system - the grid
>for cutting and the flat surface for glass selection and pattern work.
>I actually have my light table in a free-standing box atop some table
>legs (purchased from Home Depot), which are atop some wheels.
>This way I can wheel the light table out into the middle of the room,
>'set' the table by putting its wheels in plastic 'stops' (I don't know =
>
>their technical name) so that it doesn't roll around.  I can now cut very=
>
>large sheets of glass, walk around the table to cut from any angle,
>have customers on one side while I'm on the other, etc.  I also marked
>
>
>a ruler on two sides of the box so that I have a handy guide right there.=
>
>
>You can dump the glass shards into the light box as needed, and then
>sweep it up with a brush for safe disposal.  This sure keeps the floor
>area clean!
>
>Christie A. Wood
>Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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Deb wrote:

> it kinda tells us what type of people we all are,
>Christmas time we were all very busy and stressed out, BUT everyone kept up
>with the mail and there was PLENTY.  Now take New Years and not much mail....
>Hmmm me thinks everyone is recuperating.

Good point Deb, I was wondering about this myself. Maybe we're mostly 
Type A personalities that do our best work under pressure. You know the 
old story, "a busy person gets more things done." Any psychologists in 
the audience? (s)
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Hi, will spend some time trying to translate what I do to a keyboard
technique....keep the faith!
Will get back to you soon..........H
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My .02 on a light box.
I do mostly lamps, and almost only tiff style ones so multi-colored
handmade opals are about all I stock.

I have 14 60watt   CLEAR bulbs (because I do lamps with the intent to light
them when finished with incandescent bulbs, a fluorescent will not render
the colors correctly) set up on 3 dimmers. One strip of 6 bulbs in a
straight line is  also on a dimmer
makes no sense to have/build a box bigger that the largest sheet of
HAND-MADE glass you intend to view.
Mine is about 26"x44"

I have the plate glass (top of box) in 3 sections, with a gap between each
to help let out the heat. Also I have installed a fan to move the heat from
the bulbs.
When I build and set up a shade on the box, I use sheets of plate over the
existing glass so I can remove them if I need to and get the box back.

Set the box high enough to have storage under it, but not so high as to
have to stand on a ladder to cut glass.

I do my final cutting on a small light table 24x16 with 6 bulbs (clear)
with the corners cut out to accept glass chips. NOTE: this is also a box
with 3/8" plate glass for a cutting surface....no soft mat for me!

IMHO, if you use machine made or cathedral glass, a light table is not a
first priority.







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Hi Suzanne (again)...my glass selection is guided by which lamp I want to
make.

A dfly is primarily background, so I look for a glass that has a good
transition of colors.
A wispy type glass for the wings as it will have filigree over it.

If I am doing a floral, usually a glass that has a lot of dark and light
spots of the same color, so to make the flowers denser on the inside and
light on the tips. Sometimes even the same glass with a ripple and some of
the same color without a ripple, so to show undersides of flowers or curls
of petals (dimension)

If I intend to do a grid type lamp, a soft transition or a lessening of
density works. That is the darker/denser glass to the top and a fade toward
the bottom.
A 1,000 or so lamps does give one a bit of an insight as to what to look
for when buying sheets of glass.

enjoy, H


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Hi Suzanne..........see other post for answers to your questions.
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Glenna,
	This has worked for me.... I have a swinging door on the basement, so the
dog (duchess) can let herself in, but not out.  It had a clear piece of
glass in it at one time, but was missing when I got the house.  I wanted
stained glass.... well it is not really practical; but, this is what I did.
 I puttied a piece of glass in place, set the leaded glass piece in a very
small amount of putty (so it wouldn't show) and then sandwiched it tightly
with another piece of clear glass, and sealed with putty.  This way it
cannot rattle.  It has worked well, although some may suggest shatterproof
glass (it is a door).  It is inside, so I don't worry about condensation...

Look forward to hearing other replies, advice, experiences....

Dale

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> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 11:06 AM
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Hope you all had a wonderful holiday season.
> 
> I have a question regarding reinforcing.  I'm making a square
> project with some bevels in it.  The final piece will be about 23" x 23"
> and it is going to be mounted on the inside of a very frequently
> used door. There is an existing window in the door and this piece
> will sit on the inside, behind the existing glass.  How should I
> reinforce this?  I was planning on running some strongline through
> the project.  What direction do I weave it through the project?
> Will this be sufficient reinforcing?  I am making this for a friend
> and don't want it to fall apart.  Also, when mounting it should they
> leave some air space?  The climate is cold in the winter and I am
> not sure whether or not condensation will build up between the two
> glass pieces.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> 
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one for me) and we are trying to decide how to use the Morton large
cutting surface and turn it into a light box that lies flush with 
the
rest of the counter.  Got a couple of questions that maybe you folks
have already been through.

Questions:

1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not 
obscure
the light from below?  I don't want the thing to buckle on me while 
I'm
cutting.

2.  How many lamps underneath should be used?  What size?

If anyone has any suggestions I'd be really appreciative.

Thanks,

Sandy

1. You could simply install a piece of clear 1/4" glass under the 
Morton cutting surface. This will provide all the support necessary.

2. I suggest you make it easy on yourself and install just two 20 
watt  soft white florcesents. You can add more later if desired. Most 
tables are overly bright IMO. If you want to see the true color just 
hold the glass up to the natural light. Remember: an installed window 
*sees* all sorts of light as the seasons and days wear on so it is 
impossible to judge exactly how a color will appear to the viewer.

If the Morton surface is ever so slightly raised above the surface of 
the table it will make moving larger sheets of glass around easier.

Unless you are sure of the most comfortable table height for you it 
might be best to build it on the low end. You can always shim up the 
legs. If working with a fixed table height and it is to high you can 
build a booster: a step about one foot deep, 2-4 inches high and as 
long as the table. Correct table height is necessary if I am to work 
at it for hours at a time.

I have two tables with 28" X 74" X 1/4" tempered glass, sand blasted 
for opacity on the reverse side lighted by two 40 watt florcesents in 
each table. One end of tables is not well lighted. Table size is a 
function of the size glass that happened to be available to me. 
Previously used four 40 watts but they proved to be to bright.

I predict you will love your light table, Bob

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Glenna writes:
I have a question regarding reinforcing.  I'm making a square
project with some bevels in it.  The final piece will be about 23" x 
23"
and it is going to be mounted on the inside of a very frequently
used door. There is an existing window in the door and this piece
will sit on the inside, behind the existing glass.  How should I
reinforce this?  I was planning on running some strongline through
the project.  What direction do I weave it through the project?
Will this be sufficient reinforcing?  I am making this for a friend
and don't want it to fall apart.  Also, when mounting it should they
leave some air space?  The climate is cold in the winter and I am
not sure whether or not condensation will build up between the two
glass pieces.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Glenna Rand

This is a foiled window and the strength will pretty much be a 
function of the solder seams. With a reasonable amount of heart to 
the seam, say several well spaced with about 1/16" heart, the window 
should be fairly stiff. Strongline need only be used in a few  spaced 
long runs to provide added stiffness. I don't think direction makes 
much difference. There is not much point in using it in detailed work.
 So use it in the stem of a rose and not in the pettles.

I think it is important to install the SG piece on the inside right 
up against the outside protective glass. This will allow the 
protective glass to keep the SG from slamming into the protective 
glass when the door slams. With standoff the SG has a chance to move 
forward when the door slams. I have seen more than a few SG door 
pieces that are bowed to the outside due to doors slamming shut by 
wind, accident or malice.

Condensation is not usually a problem but the two pieces of glass 
could be sealed together with silicone if desired. Given a chance I 
would not seal the window until it proved necessary.

Good luck, Bob

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To Howard

Hello my question might seem strange to you.  Over the holidays I came up
with a very unusual design for dragonfly's using the filagree wings that
you have mentioned.  I was wondering, is there an easy way or a more
correct way of attaching the fillagree wings to the glass without having a
complete mess and cracking the glass?  And where might a person get the
fillagree in different sizes.  I think that I will attempt to make my own
also.  Any tips will be appreciated.

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My main work table is 4ft. by 8ft.,35 and a half inches high.  This
highth seems to be recommended for ease of cutting and for less stress
on the back.  I have a shelf underneath for storage which I also use to
prop a foot on to relieve tired legs.  I have used the same table for 17
years and it seems to work very well for me and for my students.  My
light table is 3ft. by 5ft. with 1/2 in. plate glass.  I have two shop
lights underneath.  I have left the glass clear because I usually have a
pattern laying on the table and I need the stronger light.  

Wonderful to have you back Howard.  Happy New Year to all.
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I would appreciate any input on what I am thinking about doing (yes -
negative, as well as, positive <smile>).  I have a 4 x 6 inch oval bevel with
a verse about "friend and father".  It also has a sail boat in the background
and a lighthouse in the forefront.  After trying various glass, colors, bevels
surrounding the oval bevel I happen to place the bevel over GNA 4323 (medium
blue) and really liked the looks of that.  So my questions begin.  Is it
plausible to cut the glass even with the bevel and foil them together?  I then
was thinking about the background from that point.  Some kind of contrasting
color or clear?  Bevels?  I am not wanting to fit it "into" the window of
Dad's study in Florida, but to dangle in front of it ("suncatcher" rather than
panel).  Would I put the background "flush" with the front or back of the
extra width, or try to center it around the bevel.  All and everyone's input
will be appreciated.  

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 Hi Sandy:
You are getting lots of advice and it seems to me to depend on how elaborate
you want to be.   My husband constructed a fairly simple box out of 1 x 6's
- the inside dimension is the same as the large Morton cutting surface.
This in turn sits on a similar size piece of plate glass, and all this sits
on a ledge which leaves the Moron surface flush with the top of the box.
Underneath are installed 3 GE Bright Sticks (the cheap way to go). We also
installed handles at either end of the box so that it can be moved if
necessary.   I sit this whole thing on a regular height table, and since I
am fairly short this makes the cutting surface a perfect height for me.
Quite simple but effective.  Hope that this is of some help to you. Happy
New Year!

Linda.

   At 08:34 AM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi and Happy New Year,
>
>We are in the process of designing my stained glass room (we have enough
>room in the house to provide two hobbie rooms, one for my husband and
>one for me) and we are trying to decide how to use the Morton large
>cutting surface and turn it into a light box that lies flush with the
>rest of the counter.  Got a couple of questions that maybe you folks
>have already been through.
>
>Questions:
>
>1. How should the bracing be to support the surface and yet not obscure
>the light from below?  I don't want the thing to buckle on me while I'm
>cutting.
>
>2.  How many lamps underneath should be used?  What size?
>
>If anyone has any suggestions I'd be really appreciative.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sandy
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Clear hammered makes a beautiful background with blue. Then I would
border that (in what ever shape you choose) with the same blue you are
putting behind the bevel.
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Please take me OFF YOUR EMAIL LISTING, IT IS CLOGGING UP MY EMAIL... THANK
YOU!!!
At 06:24 PM 12/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Dear Dale,
>        Thanks for answering (and thanks to everyone else who did too!!)-
>        You agreed with Albert about Plaster of Paris, then Albert changed
>to not liking Portland Cement..... why don't you like plaster of paris.....
>it dries fast, so thought that might help.
>        What is Whiting..... if I remember right, it is Calcium
>Carbonate.... which is ground limestone... (in which case if I sieve it
>finely enough maybe I can use the garden stuff)...... is this correct
>anyone?????
>       I still am not sure if the linseed oil sold in little cans for an oil
>paint medium, is boiled linseed oil, does anyone know???? I wonder if it
>isn't just super refined for fine arts??? 
>        Thanks Albert for warning about cement (portland), I had already
>gathered from the archives that this was a big NO NO!!!  Thanks again all of
>you....  Meg
>                                              
>
>At 10:37 AM 12/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>Meg-
>>	I recently decided to work in lead came as well.  I tried several
>>"recipes" with items I have around the house, and although certain aspects
>>of it worked, I was dissatisfied with the final results.  I would take
>>Albert's advice about no Plaster-of-Paris.... this was MY first mistake!
>>What follows is the recipe given to me by a trusted friend, and it was like
>>night and day, once I got the mixture right.
>>
>>
>>Cement for Lead Came
>>
>>In Can #1 combine 2 measures of turpentine with 1 measure of boiled linseed
>>oil.
>>
>>(Here you MUST use (boiled) linseed oil.... unboiled will not set up right,
>>I am unsure as to what the boiling point of the oil is, so I don't know if
>>you can boil your own... It is available at stores that sell paint, and
>>REAL turpentine....not the environmentally friendly substitute Turp-a-tine
>>or Turp-ta-tine, which are substantially more expensive anyway.)
>>
>>In Can #2 combine Whiting and lampblack depending on the size of your
>>project....
>>
>>(both cans will keep well if covered, so don't worry about having a little
>>extra.  I have used other colorant mediums.... a liquid stove black worked,
>>although I had to add more dry ingredients.... it achieved a grey color
>>that was acceptable.  I think that acrylic may work.... never tried it, and
>>a cement colorant may as well.... I would be careful of grit that may
>>scratch the glass.)
>>
>>Anyway...In Container #3 or a mixing bowl, combine dry ingredients with
>>enough wet ingredients to have a frosting like consistency.  Then apply to
>>panel.  If you are going to vary the recipe in anyway.... I would recommend
>>trying it on a sample piece with just clear window glass first.... a few
>>lead lines will do, it will also help you get the technique of application
>>down pat before your larger project.  
>>
>>Remember to save any 'scrubber' whiting that is not clumped.... as it can
>>be used in your next batch of cement.
>>
>>Hope this is helpful, and hope there are other suggestions for you.... I am
>>sure that if I have said anything wrong, a correction will be forthcoming
>>*wink*.
>>
>>Dale
>>
>>----------
>>> From: Richard LaVal <rlaval@sol.racsa.co.cr>
>>> To: glass@bungi.com
>>> Subject: Gatewayed mail message
>>> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 1997 7:44 AM
>>> 
>>> Dear Bungians,
>>>         I decided to try out a project with lead came... and I can't get
>>> commercial putty... cement whatever here.  On reading the back archives
>>from
>>> bungi on the subject, there are recipes which include plaster of paris,
>>> calcium carbonate, and boiled linseed oil.   I have plaster of paris, and
>>I
>>> have finely ground limestone (which I am told it is calcium cabonate) for
>>my
>>> garden, and my mother has linseed oil as a medium for her oil painting
>>(not
>>> boiled, can I boil it?).  Can I use these ingredients?  Can I use acrylic
>>> paint to darken it?  Would the black powder  they use to color cement
>>work?
>>> I assume that it would look nicer dark, rather than to have all that
>>white
>>> shining up through the glass.
>>>         Someone told me (I haven't checked it may be an evil rumor) that
>>no
>>> one who works in came here cements it... that that is only for northern
>>> climes... sounds like hogwash to me as I gather that part of the reason
>>is
>>> for reinforcing... and part for weatherproofing... and it rains and blows
>>> here too!!  Anyone have any opinions out there???   Thanks Meg
>>>   \o/  \o/  \o/  \o/   \o/  \o/  \o/  \o/
>>> Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
>>> apdo. 24-5655
>>> Monteverde, Puntarenas
>>> COSTA RICA
>>> phone 645 5052
>>> 
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>Richard LaVal and Meg Wallace
>apdo. 24-5655
>Monteverde, Puntarenas
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I know this is boring to all you experts.  But I thought us novices and
silent lurkers might be interested.
http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
PS  if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site.
It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names.
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In a message dated 98-01-04 16:34:22 EST, you write:

<< http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
 PS  if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site.
 It is also a free website >>

I'm sure there are others, but this is one site I hadn't found yet - Thanks
Shirley!!
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Very interesting site, thx, Shirley, for sharing.  I, for one, definately
did not find this boring!

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> I know this is boring to all you experts.  But I thought us novices and
> silent lurkers might be interested.
> http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm>  
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Hi all,

	I wanted to make one of those Hurricane lamps where you glue on
the glass tiles and then grout.  I have never done anything with grout. 
Here are my questions:

	1) Do you need to use the mosaic glue, or is there something you
can pick up at Home
	     Depot to use?

	2) Glass Crafters has a bottle/Jar cutter on sale in their recent
flyer.  Has anyone out  
	      there used it?  If I like the hurricane lamp, it might be
fun to make some out of jars.

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     I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied
customers.  What brand would you recommend, and why?
     Thanks in advance,
Pat B.
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http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
To make it easier - there was an extra '/' in the url instead of a '.', for
those of use that are lazy (grin)
Shirley Balloch wrote:

> I know this is boring to all you experts.  But I thought us novices and
> silent lurkers might be interested.
> http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
> PS  if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site.
> It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names.
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<BR>To make it easier - there was an extra '/' in the url instead of a
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Personally, I'm recovering from a cold and preparing for an accelerated
algebra course I'm teaching soon.  I am also doing my state sales tax.
Have to do inventory.  Sending out craft fair applications, reworking
my exhibit, redrawing some old designs.  Waiting for my new scanner
to arrive and reading about scanners and Adobe Photoshop.  And I
even got some good books for Christmas!
My husband is busy making a shade for a bankers lamp right now...
see, some actual touching of glass going on around here.
Have a Happy New Year.

Dorothy K

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Jerri wrote:
>
>	I wanted to make one of those Hurricane lamps where you glue on
>the glass tiles and then grout.  I have never done anything with grout. 
>Here are my questions:
>
>	1) Do you need to use the mosaic glue, or is there something you
>can pick up at Home
>	     Depot to use?

Suzanne answers:

I have done it using E-3000 available in a stained glass or hobby store. 
It worked fine. Sorry, can't answer No. 2.

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I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied
customers.  What brand would you recommend, and why?
     Thanks in advance,
Pat B.

I have used the Paragon Digital Temperature Controller (DTC) 600 for 
hundreds of firings over the past seven years. The DTC 600 has never 
given me a problem. It is capable of controlling the kiln through six 
stages to include rate, temperature and hold at each stage. Also has 
alarm set point and delayed start. Can be set to read in F' or C'. A 
program of many hours will be repeated to the exact minute. Once I 
work out a successful program I can have confidence that it will 
yield the same results in the future. It is a pleasure to load the 
kiln and come back and find the work accomplished just as planned. My 
DTC 600 is installed on the kiln. I believe the model that can be 
readly moved from kiln to kiln has a different model number.

Get control & get hot, Bob 

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> http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm

I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address.  
Any other corrections necessary?
Kathryn
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At 23:45 04/01/98 -0500, BOB wrote in part:

>I have used the Paragon Digital Temperature Controller (DTC) 600 for 
>hundreds of firings over the past seven years. The DTC 600 has never 
>given me a problem. 

Sam agrees with Bob's recommendation as our DTC600 has been in use for about
10 years I think with no problems
Elizabeth & Sam
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In the original msg. after the www there was a / instead of the dot (.) I just changed it to to dot
and it worked fine for me.  The way it is typed below should work for you.   Hope that helps you
out.

Sheila
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| > http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
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| I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address.  
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Message text written by Jerri:
>       1) Do you need to use the mosaic glue, or is there something you
can pick up at Home Depot to use?
        2) Glass Crafters has a bottle/Jar cutter on sale in their recent=

flyer.  Has anyone out there used it?  If I like the hurricane lamp, it
might be
fun to make some out of jars.
Thanks,Jerri<

1) You can use GE Silicon II sealant, which you can purchase
from Home Depot.  Look in the tile section.  Works well.
2) I saw that ad from Glass Crafters and am sorely tempted to
pick up that cutter and try the same thing.

Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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Pat wrote,
>     I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied
>customers.  What brand would you recommend, and why?
>     Thanks in advance,
Can I ask you a few question first?

What type of kiln are you using?
What are you using the kiln for?
What is your budget?
And what do you want this contoller to do for you?

Once I know the answes I can give you many alternatives.

my best,
pj

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Just went there and found it to be operational, although they are still working on it. (using Explorer 3.2)

Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada

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> http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm

I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address.  
Any other corrections necessary?
Kathryn

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Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass
List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There are now
almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.  During
the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and
will be on-line searchable.  

If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the 
web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to
get them up for you.  I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna,
and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/

Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank
you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years.
Happy new year to all!

Dave Rand

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We just heard from the organizer of the tour of English stained 
glass, which will be led by Julie L. Sloan next July (11-19). They've 
asked the hotel and transportation people to sharpen their pencils 
and have, as a result, come up with a lower price for the tour: 
$3,870 (but members of the Guild get a 10% discount, so they'll need 
to come up with only $3,480.)

Okay, it seems like a lot of money, but it includes good hotels, 
excellent transportation, and great food. Not to mention Julie 
Sloan's expertise and undivided attention, plus you'll get together 
with Sarah Brown, author of "Glass Painters," "Stained Glass:
       An Illustrated History," and "Life, Death and Art: The
       Medieval Stained Glass of Fairford Parish Church."  

       Michael Coles, a glass historian who has been a
       consultant for English Heritage, the equivalent of The
       National Trust for Historic Preservation in the United
       States.   

       Sarianne Durie, renowned stained glass artist and restorer ...
       and a member of The Art Workers Guild.  

       Martin Harrison, well-known author of "Victorian Stained
       Glass."  

       Susan Matthews, Director of the Stained Glass Museum at
       Ely Cathedral.  

       Malcolm Pollard, a leading authority on the glass of William
       Morris.  
and
       Stephen Wildman, an expert in English Victorian glass and
       the work of the Pre-Raphaelites.   

Take a look at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/tour/
and you'll see what I mean about this being a great event that you 
won't want to miss.

Albert Lewis
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I also got a Not Found msg with the original address. I tried the home
address;  www.ironandglass.com and went right to it. Do try that.

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> From: Kathryn C. Kelly <kkelly@hal-pc.org>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: URL correction 
> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:27 AM
> 
> > http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
> 
> I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address.  
> Any other corrections necessary?
> Kathryn
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Happy New Years Everyone,

Does anyone know a source of a design for an Indian Chief?  I know that =
Carolyn Kyle has a couple of designs (Forever Proud,  ? Warrior, etc.) =
but I was looking for something a little different than those.   It doesn=
't necessarily have to be a chief, but that would be preferred.  

I am looking for a stained glass design, not just a picture.    I have =
never designed anything for glass yet, and since I'm so pressed for time =
on this project, this wouldn't be the best time for me to try to learn. =
 (It's a birthday present for my grandfather.)  If you know of any patter=
n books that feature these types of designs, please let me know.  

Any and all suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dawn

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> Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass
> List. 

Congratulations and thanks are in order, Dave, to you and your wife. 
It's heart-warming to hear a husband describe his wife as 
"wonderful," particularly in these times, when all too often we see 
people split up because they thought it'd all be easy. Marriage is 
difficult but worth the candle. Congratulations on the list and on 
your relationship. May it long endure. 

Albert

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HI!  I have a Bentrup a German computer.  I know many who have a ramp
master, but I was just starting out in fusing when I purchased it, and
thought it sounded confusing.  I have never used firing cones, as I
previously was an enamelist and had a set point controller on my kiln, as I
 needed to hold kiln at 1450 degrees for the whole time I was working.
Mostly worked by instinct after doing over 2000 cloisonne' pieces.  I like
the Bentrup and it holds 9 programs <actually more than you need for
fusing> and is quite easy to set up.  However, the first half of
instruction book is in technical German <I can read some German> but the
2nd half of book is in bad English.  Also, I was computer illerate at the
time. 

At 08:50 PM 1/4/98 EST, you wrote:
>     I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied
>customers.  What brand would you recommend, and why?
>     Thanks in advance,
>Pat B.
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>Best Bib and Tucker folks;  the heathen Elisabeth is going to 
>Church!!! (Watch out for the Viking horns...)

Okay Elisabeth, where are you?  We're all waiting to hear how the dedicat=
ion ceremony went.....  Any flashes of lightning, earth shaking, etc?

Dawn

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:47:29 -0500
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Glenna and Dave,

	Thanks to you both for keeping the list going.  I've learned a
lot and have gotten so much out of this group.

	Glenna, I got a chance to look at your page and really enjoyed
it.  Nice work!  I also like the way you used the glass for the
backgrounds in the ship pictures.  I was just wondering if you do your
best glass work when you're "provoked"?  ;)

Jerri
	



On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:12 PST dlr@bungi.com (Dave Rand) writes:
>Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass
>List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There 
>are now
>almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.  
>During
>the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, 
>and
>will be on-line searchable.  
>
>If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the 
>web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to
>get them up for you.  I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna,
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>
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>Happy new year to all!
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I have owned a Glastar grinder model G4 for almost forever. It works great
for me. Several years ago I purchased a new grid for the top. Somehow I
have almost worn thru the grid top and since my grinder is a dinosauer I
cannot get a replacement top. 

Does anyone out there have a G-4 mdoel that has died and doesn't need the
top anymore or does anyone have any ideas what I could use for the top?
Since this baby is so old, I hate to spend tooooooo much on it but I also
don't want to purchase another grinder when this one is still running great!!
 
Thanks!!
Amy the Glass Goddess
Mike and Amy --- A Subscriber at Techline 

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Dear Dave-

You're the one that deserves the
pat on the back and thank you!
We wouldn't be having all this =

fun if it weren't for your generosity
in providing the site!  Happy =

New Year to you and Glenna.

Best regards,

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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:37:49 -0800
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my Glastar is one step older than yours, a G3 dinosaur, that is still 
serving me well, but I did replace the aluminum deck with a Plexiglas one 
that I made myself. I just used the original deck as a template for shape 
and screw down locations for the Plexiglas and then drilled a grid of holes 
over the entire surface, works just fine. Hope this helps.

Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From:	Mike and Amy Murphy [SMTP:mamurphy@techline.com]
Sent:	Monday, January 05, 1998 12:42 PM
To:	glass@bungi.com
Subject:	Grid for grinder

I have owned a Glastar grinder model G4 for almost forever. It works great
for me. Several years ago I purchased a new grid for the top. Somehow I
have almost worn thru the grid top and since my grinder is a dinosauer I
cannot get a replacement top.

Does anyone out there have a G-4 mdoel that has died and doesn't need the
top anymore or does anyone have any ideas what I could use for the top?
Since this baby is so old, I hate to spend tooooooo much on it but I also
don't want to purchase another grinder when this one is still running 
great!!

Thanks!!
Amy the Glass Goddess
Mike and Amy --- A Subscriber at Techline


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----------
> From: Dave Rand <dlr@bungi.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List
> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 10:42 AM
> 
> Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained
Glass
> List. 

Glenna and Dave

Thanks very much for all of your efforts towards keeping this list
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Shirley - Thanks for the hammered glass suggestion.  I think at this point
it's exactly what I'm going to use.  The only other possibility was GNA clear,
but I like the idea and mental image of soft hammered with the same blue
outside of that.  Thanks again!!!!!!!  Lu Ann
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Glenn....I see you are from B.C. Where abouts are you 'situated'?
......Wayne


>Just went there and found it to be operational, although they are still
working on it. (using Explorer 3.2)
>
>Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada
>


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Bob (and others)

I have been runing my DTC600 for a couple of years, but have never
learned how to operate the delayed start.  Neither the instructions nor
the supplier (UK) was of any help.  Correspondence with the manufacturer
has been one way.

Can anyone instruct me on how to activate the delayed start?

steve

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>I'm looking at kiln controllers and would like input from satisfied
>customers.  What brand would you recommend, and why?
>     Thanks in advance,
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>
<snip>
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Here goes!
1st - I don't own one of these machines.
BUT Ive seen a lot of advice from both users and manufacturer that *ice
cubes* should be used to cool the blade!
Why don't the manufacturers design a machine with adequate cooling
properties?  It costs enough!
Maybe I just want the machine to work without needing to have a freezwer
in my studio.
Steve
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Steve Richard wrote:
> 
> Here goes!
> 1st - I don't own one of these machines.
> BUT Ive seen a lot of advice from both users and manufacturer that *ice
> cubes* should be used to cool the blade!
> Why don't the manufacturers design a machine with adequate cooling
> properties?  It costs enough!
> Maybe I just want the machine to work without needing to have a freezwer
> in my studio.
> Steve
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it really does'nt need it. it cut's fine with out them. i think the
cubes chill the blade and make it contract. i guess it works better that
way...

---Mike Savad

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steve writes:
I have been runing my DTC600 for a couple of years, but have never
learned how to operate the delayed start.  Neither the instructions 
nor
the supplier (UK) was of any help.  Correspondence with the 
manufacturer
has been one way.

Can anyone instruct me on how to activate the delayed start?

To set Delay Fire, touch ENTER (*) then 3. dELA will appear. Enter 
delay time in hours and minutes (e.g. 12 hours and 30 minutes = 12.
30). Then touch ENTER (*). (Delay zeros out after each firing.)

The above paragraph is quoted from Paragon DTC600C & DTC600 
Instructions (M-126/10-93)

Don't delay, get hot, Bob

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with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, 
Escondido, CA, 92026,USA
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Since before Chirstmas I have not received any mail from you.  Please add me
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Hi Jackie....a couple of ways to do filigree.

Do the whole project and then solder the filigree over the wings.
Foil the filigree on to the wings before you solder  them in.
Tiffany ALWAYS put the filigree the glass on the outside of the wings.

Poppies leaf filigree either inside or outside... .flowers only out side
filigrees.

I use a wispy glass for the wings so the light accents the filigree.
I only use the "tiff" odyssey sized wings.....could probably use a
perforated type brass screen and cut out
irregular holes in it.
I have yet to have a wing crack while soldering, but I have only done about
40 d/fly shades.
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Loved seeing a picture of what another Bungian looks like.  Loved Glenna 
"provoked" also.  

Especially her work. Makes me want to keep on trucking

On  5 Jan 98, Dave Rand 
wrote:

> Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass
> List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There are now
> almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.  During the
> coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and will be
> on-line searchable.  
> 
> If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the 
> web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to
> get them up for you.  I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna,
> and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/
> 
> Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank
> you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years.
> Happy new year to all!
> 
> Dave Rand
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I just went there and it was up, maybe when you tried it was down? I use
Explorer 4.0 browser and also Netscape 4.0,  sometimes I get an address not
found message and 2 seconds later the same browser and connection finds the
address .. go figure..

Love light and laughter,
Lydia
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>> http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
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>I'm getting a Not Found message when I request this address.
>Any other corrections necessary?
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Add me back to the list please?


 * JDS Mail & News

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At 11:26 AM 1/4/98 -0800, you wrote:
>My main work table is 4ft. by 8ft.,35 and a half inches high.  This
>highth seems to be recommended for ease of cutting and for less stress
>on the back. 

Height depends on the height of the artist. At 5'9", I find that 39-41
inches is perfect height for my glass work top and, incidentally, for my
kitchen counters. I believe I read in a book on home ergonomics that 3
inches below the elbow is the ideal height for work counters, and that has
proven to be true for me.  I find it back breaking to work at a lower counter.

Happy New Year to All!

M.-J.

****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the
rest.****

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I agree.. I just started to read the archives also.. I have been  on =
this news group for about 1 year.. Have read many messages from the =
members, but it is very exciting to read what happened 3 years ago..  If =
I wore a hat, I would take it off as a act of respect to people like =
Glenna and Dave, and the first members, especially Howard.. His =
helpfulness on lamp making is remarkable..
So, thank you.
Gloria




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> From: Dave Rand <dlr@bungi.com>
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> Subject: Anniversary of the Stained Glass List
> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 10:42 AM
>=20
> Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained
Glass
> List.=20

Glenna and Dave

Thanks very much for all of your efforts towards keeping this list
going.  I'm sure all of us, whether seasoned vets or newbies have
learned a lot from the postings.  We appreciate your work.

Sincerely,

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I have been wondering if anyone is bringing in an income from their Web =
sites.. I have noticed some are nice  photos of their work and an e mail =
address is attached.. Another version is photos with  prices and a =
shopping cart to go with it.. Have been considering  advertising but =
would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not =
fill the orders.
Thanks for the info.
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>I have been wondering if anyone is bringing in an income from their Web =
>sites.. I have noticed some are nice  photos of their work and an e mail =
>address is attached.. Another version is photos with  prices and a =
>shopping cart to go with it.. Have been considering  advertising but =
>would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not =
>fill the orders.

Hey Gloria,

I mainly use my web page (graciously provided by Albert and igga) as a
marketing tool...a place to refer prospective clients to look at examples of
my work.   Essentially it takes the place of an artist's portfolio.  I have
only done one piece directly through someone looking at my site and
ordering.  I also have a friend who runs a virtual gallery, and most of the
artists on her site find sales similarly slow.

IMHO the internet may may one of a set of marketing strategies to bring in
the work :-)

Cheers

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative
www.bungi.com/glass/igga/synergy

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Without divulging any sensitive information (Macy's does not tell Gimbles
everything)...I can lend a bit of insight.

My site gets many (relative term) hits a month. Most, to all "lamp kickers"
(as opposed to tire kickers), have NO idea of cost of my work. I respond in
a sensitive and encouraging manor without demeaning their
lack of knowledge. (not usually like me, however)

I have sold a few MAJOR pieces over the net.

What price range and what do have to sell, and why would someone buy from
you without touching the item. In most cases the "educated" buyers are
willing to compare the s@#% from the orient and 3rd and 4th world countries
to what you are trying to sell. WHAT...you want more than $.02 per hour,
what gall!

IMHO, selling art (craft) over the net AIN'T easy....do  not worry about
more than you can handle, worry about anyone willing to give you a chance.

more later should the responses dictate............enjoy H



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        Well, I went ahead and sent a picture in, and have to say that Dave
sized it and got the colors and contrast to turn out much better than they
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Howard,
Thank you.. Yes, you are right, I was afraid of the competing factor and =
honest answers  to my question about Web sites.. Yes. also  I can see =
your New Jersey origin in the reply you made to me, about Gimbel's which =
had to close about 10 years ago and Macy's which is the parent company =
to Kaufmann's in Pittsburgh..=20
I am thinking about it but I agree with you about the originality  of =
the pieces.. I do not do Odysey style  lamps but panels  (lamps and flat =
panels) and I know that I have to be more original.. So thank you again.
gloria



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Without divulging any sensitive information (Macy's does not tell =
Gimbles
everything)...I can lend a bit of insight.

My site gets many (relative term) hits a month. Most, to all "lamp =
kickers"
(as opposed to tire kickers), have NO idea of cost of my work. I respond =
in
a sensitive and encouraging manor without demeaning their
lack of knowledge. (not usually like me, however)

I have sold a few MAJOR pieces over the net.

What price range and what do have to sell, and why would someone buy =
from
you without touching the item. In most cases the "educated" buyers are
willing to compare the s@#% from the orient and 3rd and 4th world =
countries
to what you are trying to sell. WHAT...you want more than $.02 per hour,
what gall!

IMHO, selling art (craft) over the net AIN'T easy....do  not worry about
more than you can handle, worry about anyone willing to give you a =
chance.

more later should the responses dictate............enjoy H



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Are you familiar with Carolyn Kyle presents Glass Patterns In Color II
book?
She has four Indian patterns on pages 24, 25 and 26.  They are titled
Forever Proud, Plains Warrior, Cheyenne Winter, and Navajo Brave.  All
but the Navajo are on horses.  There is also Shoshoni Encampment, a
picture of two teepees with an Indian woman sitting outside of one.
I was surprized how few I found in my Southwest books.
Desert Skies by Joyce Hurley; Images of Joy Publications has
Antelope/Deer Kachina, Morning Singer Kachina, Eagle Dancer in her
Monument Valley Series. They are on pages 7-8-9. She has Wind Song
(maiden, a long haired woman sqatting with robe and hair encompassing a
navajo jug), Long Haired Kachina and Evening Star (woman) on pages
18-19. Both are for side panels.  And on page 41 she has a Kokopelli.
And if you really want to go far afield.  Donna Schulze has the most
beautiful Indian Angel on the cover of her Angels II book,a Papillon
Publications,Inc.
Sorry, I know I have the dying warrior on his horse slumped over with
lance in his back, but I can't find it.
I vote for the Angels if you are taking votes.
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> >would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not =
> >fill the orders.

Gloria, Carol's quite right when she points out that a web site is 
just one arrow in the artist/craftsperson's self-promotional quiver 
... don't worry about getting millions of orders; it's a trickle, 
more like. But as Carol also points out, it's a good way to make your 
work accessible to the entire world ... well, the percentage that has 
access to the web, anyway, and that's growing steadily.  So consider 
doing it for those reasons.

Albert

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My local glass supplier has some discontinued glass on sale. She says =
it's Merry-go-round. I haven't seen it yet. I'll likely go see her this =
afternoon. She says it's prettier than a Spectrum Whispy and more =
colorful.=20

If I fall in love with this glass, are their any pitfalls working with =
this glass and a relative novice?

Let you know what I buy with that gift certificate my DH gave me for =
Christmas.

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To the best of my knowledge MGR is LONG out of business!

A pitfall is, you CANNOT get anymore of it to replace or match a project.

Cuts no worse than any other machine glass.

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Howard,=20

Please clarify what machine glass is.
Isn't that mostly what people use or should I say "have a choice of from =
their local dealers". The only non-machine glass that I know I have, I =
got from Blenko, blown bottles cut and unrolled into sheets. Would =
Spectrum and Bullseye be machine glass?

Linda Campbell


Howard said:

To the best of my knowledge MGR is LONG out of business!

A pitfall is, you CANNOT get anymore of it to replace or match a =
project.

Cuts no worse than any other machine glass.


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Machine made glass............easier to explain handmade glass........
Bullseye, Uroborus, Yock stipples.

Spectrum is machine made and automated.


Machine is measured and "poured by machine" and usually a long strip that
is cut to length and crated
....hand made, people go into a furnace (s) with a ladle, scoop out batch
glass, add pieces of color, pour into the hopper and work the glass by hand
(swirl, mix, confetti, stringer) as it comes out of the hopper and before
it is rolled out on the platen (in some cases the rolling is also all by
hand) 
other cases the roller is power operated.

MGR was a cheap non-exotic type glass........good for most things and like
spectrum, but not as many colors and textures. 
Nothing wrong with using it,,,,I would not do lamps in it, but if you can
get REAL cheap do it!
later, H



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I hope that didn't sound rude.
I have been toying with the idea of making a stained glass porch light.
I found a site that makes a nice fixture (any one else interested check
out manufacturers at stainedglassbiz.com), am waiting for their reply if
it is meant to go outside.
So my question is:  Is this a good idea?  Or is their some reason not
to  make stained glass porch lights?
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There must be many different interpretations, because under the machine
rolled glass intereprestation of Howard & Elaine, Wissmach would not be
machined rolled, which it is (IMO).

I have always understood machined rolled glass to be sheet no. 1 that day
looks like sheet no. 500 (or whatever amount they roll).  There is no
artistic "instrusion" into the final product.

Hand rolled glass is made a single sheet at a time.

The only machine rolled glass I have seen that even comes close to being as
nice as Bullseye, Uroboros and Yough (stipple and high strike) is some of
Kokomo's line, and they are machine rolled (IMO).

Specturm, Armstrong and Wissmach (while a pleasure to cut) are pure
background glass.  I honestly don't recall any colored glass they made that
is so striking that I would put it in the forefront.  This is because their
stock is two color mixes.

Spectrum does have a few mixes (the amber/red mix) that are quite nice, and
some interesting patterns (the chord), but I still can't recommend it as a
forefront glass.  This, of course, does not apply to any of their
architectural glass or the baroque line.

Again, the above is my opinion and apparently my interpretation.


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> From: Howard and Elaine Rubin <Weaver51@teleport.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass
> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 12:15 PM
> 
> Machine made glass............easier to explain handmade glass........
> Bullseye, Uroborus, Yock stipples.
> 
> Spectrum is machine made and automated.
> 
> 
> Machine is measured and "poured by machine" and usually a long strip that
> is cut to length and crated
> ....hand made, people go into a furnace (s) with a ladle, scoop out batch
> glass, add pieces of color, pour into the hopper and work the glass by
hand
> (swirl, mix, confetti, stringer) as it comes out of the hopper and before
> it is rolled out on the platen (in some cases the rolling is also all by
> hand) 
> other cases the roller is power operated.
> 
> MGR was a cheap non-exotic type glass........good for most things and
like
> spectrum, but not as many colors and textures. 
> Nothing wrong with using it,,,,I would not do lamps in it, but if you can
> get REAL cheap do it!
> later, H
> 
> 
> 
> weaver51@teleport.com
> http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard
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> trapped in the world wide web
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Interesting site and sight;
Please be aware of the error in the URL;
It should be:
http://www.ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
Note the dot after www instead of the slash
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>I know this is boring to all you experts.  But I thought us novices and
>silent lurkers might be interested.
>http://www/ironandglass.com/howglass.htm
>PS  if you are a crafter, check out all the other stuff at this site.
>It is also a free website and I thought I recognized a few names.
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Hi Gloria-

I agree with everything Carol
and Albert have said about a
web site - it's not likely that it
will bring you so much business
overnight you'll be forced to
hire help.  But, it is undoubtedly
an excellent marketing tool and
sometimes in surprising ways!

I have gotten only a handful =

of "long-distance" jobs via our
site, but I am convinced that
about 1 out of every 4 shoppers
(local) who visit us refer to our site
after our consultation and often
that visual reminder gives us the
edge over the competition even
when our prices are higher.

I also do direct-mail marketing
using color postcards - about six
months after folks buy a new home
(over $250,000) they get a postcard
from us which also lists our URL.
We just installed another job several
weeks ago that originated with
the postcard and a web visit so
I know this approach works. (Write
to me direct for more info on the
postcards.)

Lastly, you can win prizes for =

having a web site!  I just won :-)
Peachtree Complete Accounting
Plus from Peak Computing =

Magazine for a contest they had
on marketing your web site.  And
we get a nice little article in the
magazine in a few weeks.  (Two
years ago, we were featured in
a newspaper article as the first
private art gallery in the area with
a web site.)  Who am I to say No
to a little free publicity!

And, of course, the most compelling
reason for getting a web site - it's so
much cheaper than most other =

advertising!  How can you go wrong?
Then use that URL on everything,
cards, letterhead, ads, birth certificates,
everything! You'll be viewed as a real
pacesetter - on the cutting edge of your
business!  (I'm one to talk - I forgot to
add mine to our Yellow Pages ad - oops!)

Back to workbench... still on deadline!  And,
Carol, I haven't forgotten you and will =

write next week!

Best regards,

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ =


P.S. And, yes, we are finally in =

the process of updating the site!



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And then, of course, there are
glasses like the Glashutte =

Lamberts that we're working
with right now that make you
think you've died and gone
to glass heaven!  West German.
Mouthblown. Expensive.  Yum.

Sure wish all our customers would
spring for this stuff!  (I guess at =

$120/sheet wholesale I should say
"stuph"!)

Best regards,

Dani Greer
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> So my question is:  Is this a good idea?  Or is their some reason not
> to  make stained glass porch lights?

Not at all. They've been being made for quite a while ... at least a 
hundred years. The Arts&Crafts movement was pretty big on stained 
glass and sidelights were definitely part of their repertoire. Go 
ahead; you'll enjoy them.

Albert

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  I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick
them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
please

Paul
Bumblebee Stained Glass

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There is a market for most everything.
Try a few, keep records of ALL costs and time so as to be able to price it.
Keep records and patterns so you can duplicate what you have done. Make
styles that use glass effectively. 
A for instance is if you have 24" x24" spectrum half sheets, set sizes to
cut even into 24". No reason to
make the height 8.5" if 8' will do.
You do not know what will sell 'til you try to sell it. But, can you make
money at it is a whole
'nuther story.
Another beware is using outdoor approved electrical components and who will
do the wiring. In this law suit happy society (we did it to ourselves) any
excuse is good enough. 
I do not wire or adapt or fix or restore any bases (antique or not) for the
public. I have a licensed electrican who I refer to for doing that.

enjoy, H

weaver51@teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard
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trapped in the world wide web

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dani wrote,
,
>And then, of course, there are
>glasses like the Glashutte =
>
>Lamberts that we're working
>with right now that make you
>think you've died and gone
>to glass heaven!  West German.
>Mouthblown. Expensive.  Yum.
>
>Sure wish all our customers would
>spring for this stuff!  (I guess at =
>
>$120/sheet wholesale I should say
>"stuph"!)
>
UhOh ...they have been bitten by the Lambert bug...and will
never be the same.

You will never be able to sell a commission again without
trying to steer those clients to the Lambert.  I would say that
all the commissions we are scheduled for so far this year
have some Lambert and two are all Lambert.

I happen to be just nuts about their new colors....and have even taken
to making vases for clients out of the stuff.  To match the glass in
their commission.  Just something we like to do for those people
willing to spend the extra money on that specialty glass.

my best,
pj (who thinks that there needs to be extra hours in the day for email)

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Albert,
Thank you..
The Web is one of my plans for 1998..=20
Other are  tax exemption number, business name, and my membership to the =
Glass Guild.. Would you please tell me the how to the membership and the =
fee.. If you want to do it privately, please  e mail me directly.
thank you
Gloria

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> >would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not =
=3D
> >fill the orders.

Gloria, Carol's quite right when she points out that a web site is=20
just one arrow in the artist/craftsperson's self-promotional quiver=20
.. don't worry about getting millions of orders; it's a trickle,=20
more like. But as Carol also points out, it's a good way to make your=20
work accessible to the entire world ... well, the percentage that has=20
access to the web, anyway, and that's growing steadily.  So consider=20
doing it for those reasons.

Albert

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I guess I am very lucky.. I live near Yough and had the opportunity to see them make their glass.. They are very nice people also..
Gloria

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From:	Howard and Elaine Rubin [SMTP:Weaver51@teleport.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 07, 1998 3:16 PM
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Subject:	Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass

Machine made glass............easier to explain handmade glass........
Bullseye, Uroborus, Yock stipples.

Spectrum is machine made and automated.


Machine is measured and "poured by machine" and usually a long strip that
is cut to length and crated
...hand made, people go into a furnace (s) with a ladle, scoop out batch
glass, add pieces of color, pour into the hopper and work the glass by hand
(swirl, mix, confetti, stringer) as it comes out of the hopper and before
it is rolled out on the platen (in some cases the rolling is also all by
hand) 
other cases the roller is power operated.

MGR was a cheap non-exotic type glass........good for most things and like
spectrum, but not as many colors and textures. 
Nothing wrong with using it,,,,I would not do lamps in it, but if you can
get REAL cheap do it!
later, H



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Shirley,
I saw their ad there.. Was thinking of the shade (? , really mean =
lighting fixtures) for some indoor lights.. If you receive the info =
could you please forward..=20
Thanks
Gloria=20

-----Original Message-----
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Sent:	Wednesday, January 07, 1998 4:34 PM
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Subject:	Hey Howard

I hope that didn't sound rude.
I have been toying with the idea of making a stained glass porch light.
I found a site that makes a nice fixture (any one else interested check
out manufacturers at stainedglassbiz.com), am waiting for their reply if
it is meant to go outside.
So my question is:  Is this a good idea?  Or is their some reason not
to  make stained glass porch lights?
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Dave Rand wrote,
>Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass
>List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There are now
>almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.  During
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Wallace, Paul wrote:
> 
>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick
> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
> please
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> Paul
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you can remove the mastic with masic remover, or a sharp razor if it's
hard and crunchy. if you sandblast, you could carve out some cool
designs, they should show up quite well.

---Mike Savad

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RECYCLE them!!!!!
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Hi!  I am new to this list and, as a matter of fact, new to computers and the
Internet in general, so please bear with me if I make mistakes.  I learned to do
stained glass pieces 17 years ago from a night school class.  I proceeded to
teach my husband how to do stained glass, and he really got into it.  I have
three sons, all of whom have learned how to do stained glass as well.  My
husband and I have done about five large pieces over the years as well as many
smaller ones.  Currently we are working on our largest project yet, a two-panel
waterfall/nature scene roughly 24' x 48' total.

While I have never done this myself, a currently popular use of stained glass
are mosaic panels and garden bricks for pathways.  Your glass sounds thick
enough to be used for this kind of project depending on the weather conditions
in your area., expecially the pathway bricks.  These are pieces of cut, colored
glass set into concrete forms in patterns and designs to brighten the garden.
You might consider looking into this type of usage.  Hope this helps.

Merry

Wallace, Paul wrote:

>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick
> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
> please
>
> Paul
> Bumblebee Stained Glass
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You wrote:
> I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to stick
> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
> please

part of a floor
grease splash guard behind a stove or kitchen sink
dining table top
cut in 4" strips and used as a baseboard at the floor/wall joint
cut in 4" squares, bevel edges slightly, use as coasters
cut in 8" squares, use as trivets (heat resistant?)
tiling under/behind a wood stove/heater
fireplace hearth/mantle tiling (outside the firebox)

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Dear Dawn,

Good Heavens!! What a memory!! I thought everyone had long since 
forgotten.....
I have been "lurking" in my own quiet little corner for a while, 
trying to catch up on domestic chores (still have ironing to do from 
last April!!), house maintenance, income tax returns (has to arrive 
at the Tax Office before 31 January, or an automatic fine , etc...); 
preparing new courses for February; my mother-in-law has been poorly 
over Christmas, so I spent some time with her doing her Christmas 
cooking; my sister-in-law has inherited my old 286 computer (the one 
rescued from a dumpster) and I have been trying to find a printer for 
her. And so on, and so on. I STILL haven't sent out all my Christmas 
cards/letters  :-<

Yes, I turned up in my "best bib 'n tucker" last Sunday; the little  
widow of the deceased Minister having phoned me at least 3 times to 
ask/remind me to be there. She suffered 2 heart attacks during 
Autumn, so people were getting worried (She is 87, bless her, and 
called Enid). 

The idea of doing the casing in wrought iron, was finally abandoned, 
because the blacksmith I employed, took off up North (of UK) to show 
his shire horses and didn't keep the dead-lines he promised (even 
more urgently required after the old girl's SECOND heart attack!!)
Back to wood.
An old retired carpenter from the Congregation was finally wheeled 
out and press-ganged by the Church Elders to construct  wall-mounted 
oak cabinets to house the stained glass.  A lighting engineer was 
also wormed out from the Congregation and equally press-ganged into  
creating the necessary hardware arrangements for back-lighting the 
panels according to my guide lines. I must say, both men did a 
fabulous job.  The large wooden oak Cross already mounted on the wall 
at the Altar, is a simple cross, but excellently crafted. The 
Minister whom my glass was to commemorate,  had himself actually made 
this Cross some 40 years ago when he first took over the Ministry of 
this particular Church. Carpentry and wood-working was his life-long 
hobby (He was called Ernest, by the way. So picture it: these two 
dears, Ernest and Enid....   ;-)   )

So the carpenter made these oak cabinets to match the Cross. and did 
it exceedingly well. However, he also managed to crack the glass 
twice!!
Repair or replace???
Replace would take longer and  little Enid  might get another heart 
attack if she knew about it. So "repair" was decided. Under cover of 
darkness, I loaded my car with repair kits and drove off to his cold 
wood-working shed about 15 miles away - TWICE!
One of the repairs  is not too bad, but the second one - although 
necessary, breaks the aesthetic line to me just that bit too much.  
Nobody has noticed the illogical lead-line. But I have and I have 
even had night-mare dreams about it. One day I will have to pull in 
the panel to my workshop and replace the whole piece of offending 
glass. But I dare not do it quite yet.....

Last Sunday was the first time I myself saw both panels mounted  on 
the wall in the Church with the Cross in the middle and the 
back-lighting in full flow. The impact totally threw me. I arrived to 
the Church  on time (pouring down with rain and the roads were 
flooded) and met up with little pint-sized Enid and her sons, 
daughters and myriads of grand-children, having travelled from all 
corners of UK for the occasion.  There were cameras flashing 
everywhere. Seats had been specially reserved for The Family and (to 
my surprise) for me, right up at the front of the Church.  Little 
Enid tucked her arm under mine and so I escorted this little person 
to her seat. The Chruch was absolutely packed full. I thought this 
was going to be an ordinary Sunday Service with perhaps a little 
mention/ a little blessing  or such similar of the panels.  Not so. 
The entire Service was dedicated to the idea of the Man (i.e. Ernest 
- the deceased Minister) and my stained glass and my interpretation 
of the commission they had given me. At the request earlier on last 
autumn of the Church Elders, I had put down in writing my own 
impressions of Ernest post-humously and how my interpretations were 
translated into stained glass.  I gave them about 3 type-written 
pages from which I thought they might select the odd thing or two. 
They didn't .
 David, his oldest son and a professor at Cambridge 
University, read the Dedication and read out my entire notes. It was 
almost embarrassing. Nevertheless, it was also very moving. 
During  last prayers, the (new) Minister made a point of telling the 
Congration that THIS time, not to shut their eyes, but to look at the 
panels and meditate on them.
I had not myself been quite been prepared for the impact, and never 
mind the impact my glass had on this community.
After the Service, there was a reception during which I had to shake 
a few hundred hands. Little Enid didn't let me out of her 
eye-sight... 

But what came across again and again from the Congregation was 
interesting. Stained glass or  some other form of commemoration had 
actually been put to the vote amongst the entire congregation. Many 
of them had voted against; stained glass was not "Their Sort of 
Thing", it didn't quite "sit" right with a United Reform Church; it 
was too architectural, too much tied up with the building itself, too 
much of "saints, cherubs and angels" for their particular philosophy.
Enid alone forced through the decision, because her dear beloved 
Ernest had expressed such deep admiration for the craftmanship 
required for stained glass (he was amateur accomplished carpenter - 
remember!). I only found out that little nugget out last Sunday... So 
I also had to shake the hands of those that had initially voted 
against, who now told me  I had got it "just right".
 Job Satisfaction!!??
 Wow!!!!
Cameras flashed, local press was there, ecclesiastical press was 
there and so on. I had left my own camera gear at home and still have 
to go back and take my own photographs....
An enormous bunch of flowers is now dominating my sitting-room, so 
large I could hardly get it into my car (or out of it).
Oh yes, the Heathen Elisabeth took Holy Communion for the first time 
in 25 years. It just somehow felt right at the time.
I STILL don't like what happens in the World under the guise of 
Christianity or Religion, and I STILL don't want any part of it.....
But I am so glad I managed to bring glass, colour and light into yet 
another little corner of the Globe......

Back to ironing.....(sigh)
Happy New Year to ALL of you.!!
(separate replies are still brewing.... patience..??)
(UK Bunginians:  95 per cent of photocopying completed, a few more 
pages and then send-off)
 Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK




Dawn wrote  (and quoted):
 >Best Bib and Tucker folks;  the 
heathen Elisabeth is going to >Church!!! (Watch out for the Viking 
horns...)

Okay Elisabeth, where are you?  We're all waiting to hear how the dedicat=
ion ceremony went.....  Any flashes of lightning, earth shaking, etc?

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Hi Gloria,

I use my web-site  as a marketing tool (so far). It has been up 
and running now since early 1996, but although I have had enquiries, 
I have not yet "sold" through the Net. I think it was Carol who said 
that she used it as an "extended portfolio". That is how I look at it 
myself.  Although the Internet here in UK is only just NOW beginning 
to get a grip and starting a real growth, it's an easy, quick and 
convenient way for any customer, an architect , say,  to get a quick 
look at your style at any time of day and night to decide whether 
s/he likes your particular way of doing things. Don't expect a FLOOD 
of orders, just because you have a WEB-site.
my 2 cents worth
Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK

>I have been wondering if anyone is bringing in an income from their Web =
>sites.. I have noticed some are nice  photos of their work and an e mail =
>address is attached.. Another version is photos with  prices and a =
>shopping cart to go with it.. Have been considering  advertising but =
>would be fearful if the workload became overwhelming and I could not =
>fill the orders.

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Hi Everyone and Happy New Year,

Got a lot of good suggestions for the light table - I'll investigate the
quarter inch plate glass.  I like the suggestions of keeping the light a
little muted so we'll play with that as well.

Took a class in ergonomics as part of my master's and my project was to
design my stained glass room.  I agree that just below elbow height
should work best (at least that's what all the studies say).  Looking
forward to having a nice studio that can handle a variety of tasks.

Thanks everyone for their suggestions.

Sandy
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Hi Paul-

How about using the glass tiles
for a bathroom floor?  Or lining
the bottom of a pond in a water
garden.  Or set them in a table
top.  Or use as a wide border in
a glass mosaic.  Or, or.... ?

;-)

Dani Greer
Greer Gallery & Studios
http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/
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Hi pj-

Nice idea with the vases!  It's
just that kind of thing that makes
for repeat business, and it's sure
a lot nicer (and more appropriate)
than a fruit basket!  And, yes, I
think we have been bitten by the
Lambert's bug - we'll see how it
goes after we start building tonight!
Some of the glass is kind of thick,
especially since we're using tons
of flash.  =


Cheers!

Dani
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From: "Glenn Spicer" <gspicer@seaside.net>
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Subject: RE: studio thesis
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:33:32 -0800
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you'll have to share that part of your master's with bungi when you finish

Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada

-----Original Message-----
From:	Sandra Willis [SMTP:arthurs.and.willis@sympatico.ca]
Sent:	Wednesday, January 07, 1998 5:21 PM
To:	glass@bungi.com
Subject:	Thanks for your table suggestions.

Hi Everyone and Happy New Year,

Got a lot of good suggestions for the light table - I'll investigate the
quarter inch plate glass.  I like the suggestions of keeping the light a
little muted so we'll play with that as well.

Took a class in ergonomics as part of my master's and my project was to
design my stained glass room.  I agree that just below elbow height
should work best (at least that's what all the studies say).  Looking
forward to having a nice studio that can handle a variety of tasks.

Thanks everyone for their suggestions.

Sandy
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From: "Glenn Spicer" <gspicer@seaside.net>
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Subject: RE:Black Glass Tiles
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:32:01 -0800
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My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, they 
would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the other ideas 
merely recycle them, this transforms them.
Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada

-----Original Message-----
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Sent:	Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM
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Subject:	Re: HELP


  I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to 
stick
them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
please

Paul
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I bet the back is ribbed too!
My dream is to accumulate enough to do a storefront with.
It's rare and probably very valuable to some. I think it was called
"carrera". Makes a great table top. one could use gold leaf, glue
chipping!!!, lustres, enamels. Try slumping it. make a bowl. test it's
fusibility. 

> From:   Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net]
> Sent:   Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM
> To:     glass@bungi.com
> Subject:        Re: HELP
> 
>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to
> stick
> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
> please
> 
> Paul
> Bumblebee Stained Glass
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Dave Rand wrote,
>Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained 
Glass
>List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There 
are now
>almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.  
During
>the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, 
and
>will be on-line searchable. 

All this and improvements coming too! Almost 400 readers sounds good 
but 800 would be better. What a base of knowledge that would be. Sooo,
 I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in 
mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic 
one. Any takers?
Recruter, bob

____
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I don't see a problem with outside porch lights in stained glass I have made
many panels for the old style gas lights for homes usually a seasonal theme
such as xmas,spring etc.They were a very popular item. I just quit making them
because I moved away from the city.Beveler4(STAN)
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Congratulations, Elisabeth!  Thanks
for sharing with us.  (I knew your future
held something GREAT to replace the
lack of Christmas goose!)

Happy and Prosperous New Year!

Dani Greer
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When I first started stained glass in 1979, all I ever used was Fisher and
Desag`,  couldn't get me to use anything else.  It's nice to see "others"
with the same pallet!  Never have physically seen Lamberts glass but when I
do I will be in the poor house, I'm sure!

Melissa


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>And then, of course, there are
>glasses like the Glashutte =
>
>Lamberts that we're working
>with right now that make you
>think you've died and gone
>to glass heaven!  West German.
>Mouthblown. Expensive.  Yum.
>
>Sure wish all our customers would
>spring for this stuff!  (I guess at =
>
>$120/sheet wholesale I should say
>"stuph"!)
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dani Greer
>Greer Gallery & Studios
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I hope you mean 24 inch by 48 inch!  I looked at those measurments and
almost fainted when you said it is 2 panels...

-----Original Message-----
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>Hi!  I am new to this list and, as a matter of fact, new to computers and
the
>Internet in general, so please bear with me if I make mistakes.  I learned
to do
>stained glass pieces 17 years ago from a night school class.  I proceeded
to
>teach my husband how to do stained glass, and he really got into it.  I
have
>three sons, all of whom have learned how to do stained glass as well.  My
>husband and I have done about five large pieces over the years as well as
many
>smaller ones.  Currently we are working on our largest project yet, a
two-panel
>waterfall/nature scene roughly 24' x 48' total.
>
>While I have never done this myself, a currently popular use of stained
glass
>are mosaic panels and garden bricks for pathways.  Your glass sounds thick
>enough to be used for this kind of project depending on the weather
conditions
>in your area., expecially the pathway bricks.  These are pieces of cut,
colored
>glass set into concrete forms in patterns and designs to brighten the
garden.
>You might consider looking into this type of usage.  Hope this helps.
>
>Merry
>
>Wallace, Paul wrote:
>
>>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
>> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
>> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
>> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
>> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy
black
>> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to
stick
>> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
>> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
>> please
>>
>> Paul
>> Bumblebee Stained Glass
>>
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Ya, Glenna you are a very pretty lady.  great works too!
Melissa

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>Loved seeing a picture of what another Bungian looks like.  Loved Glenna
>"provoked" also.
>
>Especially her work. Makes me want to keep on trucking
>
>On  5 Jan 98, Dave Rand
>wrote:
>
>> Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained Glass
>> List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There are
now
>> almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.  During
the
>> coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format, and will
be
>> on-line searchable.
>>
>> If you have some images of your projects you would like to see on the
>> web, please drop me (dlr@bungi.com) mail, and we can work out how to
>> get them up for you.  I've also posted a recent picture of Glenna,
>> and some of her latest projects at http://www.bungi.com/glass/glenna/
>>
>> Thanks to my wonderful wife for administering this list, and thank
>> you all for sharing your insightful comments during the past years.
>> Happy new year to all!
>>
>> Dave Rand
>>
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If you can sell'em just do it.  If you make them with foil I would think
that they would be sturdy enough to hold up to the elements.  Go for it.
Melissa

-----Original Message-----
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>I hope that didn't sound rude.
>I have been toying with the idea of making a stained glass porch light.
>I found a site that makes a nice fixture (any one else interested check
>out manufacturers at stainedglassbiz.com), am waiting for their reply if
>it is meant to go outside.
>So my question is:  Is this a good idea?  Or is their some reason not
>to  make stained glass porch lights?
>Thanks in advance
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>  I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in 
> mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic 
> one. Any takers?

Yes, I'm constantly mentioning the bungi list in messages online and 
in print in the Guild's newsletter. I'm not sure how much help that 
is, but it's something. <s> Actually, I guess that's the way it 
should work: if everyone here lets everyone else they know who works 
with glass know about the helpfulness of this group of people, the 
number of people participating just has to grow.

Albert

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> The Web is one of my plans for 1998..=20
> Other are  tax exemption number, business name, and my membership to the =
> Glass Guild.. Would you please tell me the how to the membership and the =
> fee.. If you want to do it privately, please  e mail me directly.

The information's right there on bungi.com ... just go 
http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/benefits.htm if you want to know 
what the benefits of membership in the Guild are. We'd be glad to 
have you join.  Good luck with your other resolutions; it sounds like 
you've decided to become more "professional" in your approach to 
glass and business.

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Hi Glenna,

Please change my e-mail address to katglass@emwv.com from
hupp@citynet.net. I'm changing servers.

Thanks,

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You can cut the blue glass to match the size of the bevel. Then use either
3/8" or 1/2" foil, hold the two pieces together and foil them as one piece.
I do it often myself. You can see some wonderful plating done by Glassmith
Studio's, their books are easily found.
Michael


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Message text written by MiChea`l McClendon
>Hello Fellow artisans;
    I am IN SEARCH of Crystals (not resin), of Swarosky types; in =3D
Brilliant and ANY shape(s) and shades.
for Inlay of Stained glass windows/panels.
Warmest Regards & Thanks in Advance.
PS: Looking for "Bulk" sales.<

Where are you located?  Can you purchase wholesale?
I know Glass Emporium (North Wales, PA distributor for
wholesale purchase only) has Swarovski crystals in the
following shapes: octagon, heart, teardrop, pear, star,
snoflake, ball and spear.

Rainbow Art Glass/Studio J (Wall, NJ both retail & wholesale)
has Swarovski Strass crystals in the following shapes:
snoflake, heart, ball, bell, teardrop, star, octagon, and
frosted cross.

Warner-Crivellaro (Allentown, PA retail) has "Austrian Crystals"
which I believe are the same as the Swarovski crystals, available
in the following shapes: octagon, heart, snowflake, teardrop
and star.

Email if you need more info about any of these sources.
Christie A. Wood
Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA
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Glenn Spicer wrote:
> 
> you'll have to share that part of your master's with bungi when you finish
> 
> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada


Hi Glenn,

I certainly don't have a problem with sharing the thesis - it wasn't
really a thesis, just a report for one of my classes.  It's about 17
pages long and deals with me trying to figure out the best layout for my
hobby room based on ergonomic principles.  I completed the report in
1996 and those of you that choose to read it will notice that I said I
planned to complete the room by October 1996 - ah, procrastination... My
husband wants to have it done by February 1998 - he's been working on
the actual design (how the joints go together, how to make the shelving
units, etc., before we go out and make it).

It's in Microsoft Word for 95 but I can probably convert it to other
types of documents if people are interested.  Basically I came out with
the cutting surface should be just below elbow height, the grinding
surface should be just above and the soldering surface should also be
just above elbow height - whether this works in practice, we'll see.  I
have one table against the wall for my cutting and grinding and then I
have another table sort of out in the middle of the room that is 3' wide
and 6' long for my soldering.

If anyone would like me to send them a copy I can, or I can post
chapters on the newgroup. Whatever the group would like.

Sandy
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Michael J. Greer wrote:
> 
> Hi pj-
> 
> Nice idea with the vases!  It's
> just that kind of thing that makes
> for repeat business, and it's sure
> a lot nicer (and more appropriate)
> than a fruit basket!  And, yes, I
> think we have been bitten by the
> Lambert's bug - we'll see how it
> goes after we start building tonight!
> Some of the glass is kind of thick,
> especially since we're using tons
> of flash.  =
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Dani
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another really nice glass is Fremont (i bielve that's right). the colors
are really cool at it comes in opaque colors. but the pricing structure
is about the same.

---Mike Savad

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Glenn Spicer wrote:
> 
> My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, they
> would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the other ideas
> merely recycle them, this transforms them.
> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net]
> Sent:   Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM
> To:     glass@bungi.com
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> 
>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy black
> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to
> stick
> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
> please
> 
> Paul
> Bumblebee Stained Glass
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and the other thing is that this thickness goes really well with door
mirrors (height wise). and black and mirror usaully go together.

some other uses:

maybe cut them and use them for coasters, paint palettes (my mother uses
a sheet of glasss). or maybe a cutting board (carefully used), if you
chamfer the corners (bevel it), you could use it as tile for somthing.
maybe sleek black plates if you have a large kiln. or a really ugly wind
chime.. :)

---Mike Savad

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BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote:
> 
> Dave Rand wrote,
> >Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained
> Glass
> >List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There
> are now
> >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.
> During
> >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format,
> and
> >will be on-line searchable.
> 
> All this and improvements coming too! Almost 400 readers sounds good
> but 800 would be better. What a base of knowledge that would be. Sooo,
>  I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in
> mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic
> one. Any takers?
> Recruter, bob
> 
> ____
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> with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road,
> Escondido, CA, 92026,USA
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well, whoever comes my way, i usually bring them here. i don't know
though what the ratio is: people hitting my page to people joing bungi.

---Mike Savad

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Melissa Thaxton wrote:
> 
> When I first started stained glass in 1979, all I ever used was Fisher and
> Desag`,  couldn't get me to use anything else.  It's nice to see "others"
> with the same pallet!  Never have physically seen Lamberts glass but when I
> do I will be in the poor house, I'm sure!
> 
> Melissa
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J. Greer <GreerStudios@compuserve.com>
> To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:47 PM
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> 
> >And then, of course, there are
> >glasses like the Glashutte =
> >
> >Lamberts that we're working
> >with right now that make you
> >think you've died and gone
> >to glass heaven!  West German.
> >Mouthblown. Expensive.  Yum.
> >
> >Sure wish all our customers would
> >spring for this stuff!  (I guess at =
> >
> >$120/sheet wholesale I should say
> >"stuph"!)
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Dani Greer
> >Greer Gallery & Studios
> >http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/
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oh then go to http://www.lamberts.de/elambhom.htm they have most of
their colors online. it looks alot nicer in person of course, until you
see the price attached.

---Mike Savad

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Elisabeth:  What fun! what pleasure!  what satisfaction! when reading any of
your input into bungi.  Whether sharing the experience of you and Toby
frolicking in the fields by your home, or,  traveling to Chartres to view the
splendor of stained glass, or, reading your ideas on "my humble
trade".......you manage to write so that I feel, see, and share, these
marvelous places and the things you write about. 
     I thoroughly enjoyed the dedication ceremony and the delightful people
who made it all possible (via your description)......
      May we continue to be a part  of your "happenings"  when we, ourselves,
cannot be there, and to  share your thoughts on things that are meaningful to
you...stained glass, or not.          
                           Sincerely, Lavergne
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>Last Sunday was the first time I myself saw both panels mounted  on 
>the wall in the Church with the Cross in the middle and the 
>back-lighting in full flow. The impact totally threw me. I arrived to 

Ah Elisabeth, what a moment that must have been for you...I remember how you
laboured over possible mounting systems for these panels last year.  I
remember when you let us know the woman had her second heart attack and that
the rush was on.  And now to hear of the breaks...we've all been in this
along with you to some extent.

>I had put down in writing my own impressions of Ernest post-humously and
how my interpretations were translated into stained glass.  I gave them
about 3 type-written >pages ... read out my entire notes. It was 
>almost embarrassing. Nevertheless, it was also very moving. 

Elisabeth, how wonderful.  This to my mind is truly what stained glass is
about...or at least why I do it...to make an impact on the viewer and also
to tell a story, as well as providing something nice to look at.

I've recently come to a realization that although I've never done a church
panel, many of my pieces are very spiritual.  You must be feeling so honored
(at a deep, rather than publicity level) to have made such an ongoing impact
on the congregation.

>During  last prayers, the (new) Minister made a point of telling the 
>Congration that THIS time, not to shut their eyes, but to look at the 
>panels and meditate on them.

Again, I have to ask...Isn't this why stained glass panels were originally
put into churches...so the congregation could learn from the story or
message within them?

All the best

Carol

PS Tail wags from Kayla to Toby!

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I want to share this with my friends at bungi. There is an article in =
today's Virginia Pilot about Josh Simpson. He is in Portsmouth, VA with =
some of his work on display. The newspaper didn't do his work justice. =
so, i looked him up on the web. Beautiful, I will have to make a point =
of viewing his work personally while it is here at the Arts Center. If =
you are into glass blowing and paperweights, glass blown into a copper =
basket, (or even if you just like beauty) check him out at:=20

http://www.megaplanet.com/index.html

Oh to be able to perfect an art the way he has.....sigh.....

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Dear Linda,

Not to take away anything from Josh Simpson, but if you are impressed by
his work, then why not try your hand at it.  I don't believe I have ever
seen anything done so far that cannot be duplicated or perfected.

I tell all of our students that there is not one thing that Tiffany ever
did in stained glass that the students cannot do also - it is a matter of
setting one's mind to it and accomplishing it.  And there are so many more
possibilities today than there were back then.  The same with Josh - he had
to start somewhere.

Yes, it will take time.  Yes, it will take money.  But where there is a
will, there is a way.  I say "go for it."

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> Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 1:11 PM
> 

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I have a pattern that calls for 1/2 round bevels (half a circle) 4". The
pattern book seems to imply this should be a stock item. I've seen VERY
few 1/2 rounds in my travels, and have been thru a number of catalogs.
Other than custom, any one know who might stock these??

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Seconded..............IMHO, you will never reach your best piece if you
keep working at it.

Normal to make mistakes, and one continues to do so.....trick is make
different ones each time and to learn from the prior ones.

I am my harshest critic.......I can ALWAYS improve the shade. Another
reason to not force your self into a position where you have to do the
CHEAPEST work to compete. Some can and will do the same type piece for
less. Do it well and then do it better. 
I have gotten in trouble before when I have suggested that glass is not for
the financially challenged!
When a student has made a major effort to complain on an on-going basis
about the costs, I have suggested weaving beach grass instead of a glass
course and pointed out the supply of grass is still free!

Over years I have come to grips with the thought that NOT everyone must
like me!

before  I get too far off the subject (what ever it was), enjoy, H


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>I have a pattern that calls for 1/2 round bevels (half a circle) 4". The
>pattern book seems to imply this should be a stock item. I've seen VERY
>few 1/2 rounds in my travels, and have been thru a number of catalogs.
>Other than custom, any one know who might stock these??
>

It's relatively easy to make your own...just score across a 4" bevel as if
you're cutting flat glass (don't forget to go across the angled parts also),
and VOILA, you have half bevels...experiment also...what about 1/3 of a 4"
bevel...they can look great in the right piece.

Carol Swann
Synergy Glass & Creative

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Hi Carl...

Most any dealer should be able to get them for you.... If not try mail
order... They do indeed make them as regular stock as I just bought a box
from one of my wholesalers last month for a panel I was working on...

Byron...
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>I have a pattern that calls for 1/2 round bevels (half a circle) 4". The
>pattern book seems to imply this should be a stock item. I've seen VERY
>few 1/2 rounds in my travels, and have been thru a number of catalogs.
>Other than custom, any one know who might stock these??
>
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I have bought them but it's been a couple of years ago.  I can narrow it down
to Warner-Crivellero, Delphi, or Glass Crafters.  Hope this helps.  Whispy
Blu@aol.com <Lu Ann> <LElsbury>
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I think what you've got isn't really glass but a ceramic/glass product
called vitrolite that was very popular in the late fifties.
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>I bet the back is ribbed too!
>My dream is to accumulate enough to do a storefront with.
>It's rare and probably very valuable to some. I think it was called
>"carrera". Makes a great table top. one could use gold leaf, glue
>chipping!!!, lustres, enamels. Try slumping it. make a bowl. test it's
>fusibility.
>
>> From:   Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net]
>> Sent:   Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM
>> To:     glass@bungi.com
>> Subject:        Re: HELP
>>
>>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
>> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding the
>> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us the
>> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of very
>> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy
black
>> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used to
>> stick
>> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't resist a
>> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  Suggestions
>> please
>>
>> Paul
>> Bumblebee Stained Glass
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I do a newsletter called the FigLeafNet, by e-mail once every three weeks,
and today I plugged the bungi group in it. So hope that helps.
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>BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote:
>>
>> Dave Rand wrote,
>> >Feburary 19 will mark the start of the third year of the Stained
>> Glass
>> >List.  During that time there have been a number of changes.  There
>> are now
>> >almost 400 readers of the list, up from 5 or so in Febuary, 1995.
>> During
>> >the coming year, the archives will be put into a more useful format,
>> and
>> >will be on-line searchable.
>>
>> All this and improvements coming too! Almost 400 readers sounds good
>> but 800 would be better. What a base of knowledge that would be. Sooo,
>>  I went out and recruted a new member today and have a couple more in
>> mind. With some help the idea of doubling in size is a very realistic
>> one. Any takers?
>> Recruter, bob
>>
>> ____
>> Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working
>> with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road,
>> Escondido, CA, 92026,USA
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>
>well, whoever comes my way, i usually bring them here. i don't know
>though what the ratio is: people hitting my page to people joing bungi.
>
>---Mike Savad
>
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Just thought I'd share with everyone an interesting site that I found
while exploring a little tonight.  It's got some really great shots of 
some beautiful windows.


Robert &  Jeanne Keane
Hee Sun Stained Glass 
"Bestow Pleasure"
P.O. Box 322	
Glyndon, MD 21071
410-833-3007

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Sandy,
one way or another, i'd sure like to read it.  snail mail:
	linn keller
	r.r.3, box 51
	los fresnos, tx  78566
or fax, if that's easier:  956/430-8502
let me know cost - i'll get it to you asap.
thanks!!!
linn

Sandra Willis wrote:
> 
> Glenn Spicer wrote:
> >
> > you'll have to share that part of your master's with bungi when you finish
> >
> > Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada
> 
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> I certainly don't have a problem with sharing the thesis - it wasn't
> really a thesis, just a report for one of my classes.  It's about 17
> pages long and deals with me trying to figure out the best layout for my
> hobby room based on ergonomic principles.  I completed the report in
> 1996 and those of you that choose to read it will notice that I said I
> planned to complete the room by October 1996 - ah, procrastination... My
> husband wants to have it done by February 1998 - he's been working on
> the actual design (how the joints go together, how to make the shelving
> units, etc., before we go out and make it).
> 
> It's in Microsoft Word for 95 but I can probably convert it to other
> types of documents if people are interested.  Basically I came out with
> the cutting surface should be just below elbow height, the grinding
> surface should be just above and the soldering surface should also be
> just above elbow height - whether this works in practice, we'll see.  I
> have one table against the wall for my cutting and grinding and then I
> have another table sort of out in the middle of the room that is 3' wide
> and 6' long for my soldering.
> 
> If anyone would like me to send them a copy I can, or I can post
> chapters on the newgroup. Whatever the group would like.
> 
> Sandy
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At 08:30 PM 1/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Just thought I'd share with everyone an interesting site that I found
>while exploring a little tonight.  It's got some really great shots of 
>some beautiful windows.
>
>
>Robert &  Jeanne Keane
>Hee Sun Stained Glass 
>"Bestow Pleasure"
>P.O. Box 322	
>Glyndon, MD 21071
>410-833-3007
>
>jkeane@erols.com
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Sorry, forgot the url here it is

http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/
Robert &  Jeanne Keane
Hee Sun Stained Glass 
"Bestow Pleasure"
P.O. Box 322	
Glyndon, MD 21071
410-833-3007

jkeane@erols.com

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Sandy - I would like a copy of your paper also.  I would be more than happy to
cover your expense.  I have a feeling more than 2 of us would be interested.
My s-mail is L. A. Elsbury - 348 S. Woodrow Ave., Indpls., IN   46241 or if
you prefer to fax let me know and we'll work out a time since my fax gets
moved between phone lines frequently.  Thanks!  Whispy Blu@aol.com
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I recall that term [vitrolite], also.

Mike Figgy wrote:
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> called vitrolite that was very popular in the late fifties.
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Our wholesalers carry these
4" bevels so they can't be too
hard to find.  I'll bet Charles
at W-C stocks them.

Best regards,

Dani Greer

P.S. Carol, when you cut the
4" rounds in half, do you have
the new edges bevelled?  If
not, how do you use them so
the unbeveled edge has eye
appeal?
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Here' s the URL that I forgot to put on the last note.
Hope this helps




	http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/








Robert &  Jeanne Keane
Hee Sun Stained Glass 
"Bestow Pleasure"
P.O. Box 322	
Glyndon, MD 21071
410-833-3007

jkeane@erols.com

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>P.S. Carol, when you cut the
>4" rounds in half, do you have
>the new edges bevelled?  If
>not, how do you use them so
>the unbeveled edge has eye
>appeal?

Hi Dani,

Hope you met all your deadlines okay.

I guess technically what I've used isn't half round bevels since I don't
bevel the cut side...it's really a 4" bevel cut into two pieces.  I use
these mainly in free-form designs and they look great, since the half moon
of the bevel becomes a design feature.  To finish off the unbevelled edge, I
use thicker foil to make sure the side is completely covered and, again in
my design work, plan to use thickish glass in the adjacent piece.  Where the
thicker foil turns the corner onto the bevelled edge I trim it of course to
match the regular foil (usually 7/32).

I hope to persuade Albert to put a new photo up on my web page soon that
shows how I do this.  Got the photos back today and I need to set up the
lighting differently since the piece is a room divider with no natural
backlighting.  Looks like it's time to invest in more flash equipment :)

Cheers

Carol

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What ever the attachment was in this message it froze up my mail
system completely, did anyone else have a problem with it?

(From one of the responses I saw on Bungi, it appears he asked about
locating crystals, altho his "subject" was 'subscribe')




---MiChea`l McClendon  wrote:


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Perhaps you could use the black glass tiles to make some nifty display
pedestals.

You could assemble them using silicone adhesive, the way they do fish
tanks, and light them from inside with white  glass (or a stained glass
design) for the top only.  Then if you place a stained glass box or
standing butterfly lady with the cast body, etc on top it will light them
up nicely. 
You could make short 16*16 tables with chess/checkerboard top lighted
internally.

If you have a sandblaster you could blast clean through on the sides and
let light through or glue opalescent glass on the inside of the cutouts
for a really dramatic effect.

Gary Dodge                   Dodge Studio Designs


On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0500 "M. Savad" <morn@nac.net> writes:
>Glenn Spicer wrote:
>> 
>> My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, 
>they
>> would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the 
>other ideas
>> merely recycle them, this transforms them.
>> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net]
>> Sent:   Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM
>> To:     glass@bungi.com
>> Subject:        Re: HELP
>> 
>>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
>> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding 
>the
>> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us 
>the
>> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of 
>very
>> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy 
>black
>> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used 
>to
>> stick
>> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't 
>resist a
>> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  
>Suggestions
>> please
>> 
>> Paul
>> Bumblebee Stained Glass
>> 
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>
>and the other thing is that this thickness goes really well with door
>mirrors (height wise). and black and mirror usaully go together.
>
>some other uses:
>
>maybe cut them and use them for coasters, paint palettes (my mother 
>uses
>a sheet of glasss). or maybe a cutting board (carefully used), if you
>chamfer the corners (bevel it), you could use it as tile for somthing.
>maybe sleek black plates if you have a large kiln. or a really ugly 
>wind
>chime.. :)
>
>---Mike Savad
>
>-- 
>Mike's Stained Glass
>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141
> New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up 
>A
>Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens.
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Perhaps you could use the black glass tiles to make some nifty display
pedestals.

You could assemble them using silicone adhesive, the way they do fish
tanks, and light them from inside with white  glass (or a stained glass
design) for the top only.  Then if you place a stained glass box or
standing butterfly lady with the cast body, etc on top it will light them
up nicely. 
You could make short 16*16 tables with chess/checkerboard top lighted
internally.

If you have a sandblaster you could blast clean through on the sides and
let light through or glue opalescent glass on the inside of the cutouts
for a really dramatic effect.

Gary Dodge                   Dodge Studio Designs


On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:08:36 -0500 "M. Savad" <morn@nac.net> writes:
>Glenn Spicer wrote:
>> 
>> My vote goes more with Mike's idea of sandblasting designs in them, 
>they
>> would be phenomenal to sandblast and face a fireplace with, the 
>other ideas
>> merely recycle them, this transforms them.
>> Glenn Spicer, The Studio Metamorphoses, BC, Canada
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:   Wallace, Paul [SMTP:glass@nobleco.net]
>> Sent:   Wednesday, January 07, 1998 6:32 PM
>> To:     glass@bungi.com
>> Subject:        Re: HELP
>> 
>>   I need som suggestions please.  Recently some friends of ours were
>> remodeling an old building.  When they took off the modern siding 
>the
>> building had a glass facade.  They removed the facade and gave us 
>the
>> unbroken pieces.  What we have are about 20 or 30 square pieces of 
>very
>> thick glass they are 16" by 16" by 5/16" thick.  They are all glossy 
>black
>> opaque glass and have globs of what looks like tar on the back used 
>to
>> stick
>> them up.  They are probably from at least the 20's.  I couldn't 
>resist a
>> freebie and am looking for ideas on what I can do with them.  
>Suggestions
>> please
>> 
>> Paul
>> Bumblebee Stained Glass
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>
>and the other thing is that this thickness goes really well with door
>mirrors (height wise). and black and mirror usaully go together.
>
>some other uses:
>
>maybe cut them and use them for coasters, paint palettes (my mother 
>uses
>a sheet of glasss). or maybe a cutting board (carefully used), if you
>chamfer the corners (bevel it), you could use it as tile for somthing.
>maybe sleek black plates if you have a large kiln. or a really ugly 
>wind
>chime.. :)
>
>---Mike Savad
>
>-- 
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>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141
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I'd like to see a copy too if possible
Elizabeth & Sam
Bournemouth Stained Glass
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk

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Hello B. Norman;
    Thank You for you reply, concerning my "mail" i.e. Crystals.
Yes It was responded to By From:
Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo <Ensembles@compuserve.com>

With the Original Message of:
From: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo <Ensembles@compuserve.com>
To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Subject: Swarovski crystals sources
Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 07:40

Message text written by MiChea`l McClendon
>Hello Fellow artisans;
    I am IN SEARCH of Crystals (not resin), of Swarovsky types; in =3D
Brilliant and ANY shape(s) and shades.
for Inlay of Stained glass windows/panels.
Warmest Regards & Thanks in Advance.
PS: Looking for "Bulk" sales.<

with RESPONSE as:
Where are you located?  Can you purchase wholesale?
I know Glass Emporium (North Wales, PA distributor for
wholesale purchase only) has Swarovski crystals in the
following shapes: octagon, heart, teardrop, pear, star,
snoflake, ball and spear.

Rainbow Art Glass/Studio J (Wall, NJ both retail & wholesale)
has Swarovski Strass crystals in the following shapes:
snowflake, heart, ball, bell, teardrop, star, octagon, and
frosted cross.

Warner-Crivellaro (Allentown, PA retail) has "Austrian Crystals"
which I believe are the same as the Swarovski crystals, available
in the following shapes: octagon, heart, snowflake, teardrop
and star.

Thank You All w/ Special THANKS To: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo

B NORMAN: Sorry, I had my "Digitally Sign message" on, and that may have
caused the problem in sending!
PS: In case there's future correspondence, MiChea`l  is pronounced like
Michelle!  ;-)  No Harm!
And in closing...NO, I don't have access to Wholesale.  If there's any other
input, Please submit?  Again, My Thanks.
MiChea`l McClendon.  live4games@worldnet.att.net



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We too suggest anyone contacts us with have any queries or problems with
their stained glass joins bungi - though we do try to answer them personally
too.
Only seen two new names I recognise yet, but maybe next time they have a
crack in their project or want to locate an item they will pop up.
Elizabeth & Sam
Bournemouth Stained Glass
http://www.stainedglass.co.uk

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In a message dated 98-01-08 22:55:11 EST, you write:

<< 
 Here' s the URL that I forgot to put on the last note.
 Hope this helps
 
 
 
 
 	http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/ >>

I am not able to retrieve this-any suggestions?  Whispy Blu@aol.com
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>  	http://homepages.enterprise.net/ahpbartlettco/stmarys/
> I am not able to retrieve this-any suggestions?  Whispy Blu@aol.com

Try again ... I went there this morning and had no problems. The 
above URL works ... just get rid of the ">" and space at the head of 
the line above and make sure it ends with the "/" after "stmarys"

Albert

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I thought about this, BUT, the new cut (accross the diameter), will not
be beveled. and is twice as thick as the rest of the glass it abuts,
which doesn't work for me personally, and would screw up the line of the
design, going from 1/4" to 1/8" thickness. Thanks for the thought anyhow

Carol Swann wrote:

> >It's relatively easy to make your own...just score across a 4" bevel
> as if
> you're cutting flat glass (don't forget to go across the angled parts
> also),
> and VOILA, you have half bevels...Carol Swann
> Synergy Glass & Creative
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I would love a copy also - Is it possible to just attach a copy here for all
of us? thanks for sharing Carol
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 6:35 PM
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>Sandy - I would like a copy of your paper also.  I would be more than happy
to
>cover your expense.  I have a feeling more than 2 of us would be
interested.
>My s-mail is L. A. Elsbury - 348 S. Woodrow Ave., Indpls., IN   46241 or if
>you prefer to fax let me know and we'll work out a time since my fax gets
>moved between phone lines frequently.  Thanks!  Whispy Blu@aol.com
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My mail got messed up the day before.  Could it be the same problem?

----------
> From: B Norman <glswrks@yahoo.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: Subscribe
> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 12:13 AM
> 
> 
> What ever the attachment was in this message it froze up my mail
> system completely, did anyone else have a problem with it?
> 
> (From one of the responses I saw on Bungi, it appears he asked about
> locating crystals, altho his "subject" was 'subscribe')
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---MiChea`l McClendon  wrote:
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________
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I have noticed that most attachments are not real attachments, some kind of
error maybe if someone wanted to send an attachment they should say I am
sending an attachment. and discribe what it is that way you would know whether
to down load or not.
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Jazzykid, Joyce, Shirley, and Patrick,

Thank you for your help in locating native american designs.  The Stained=
 Glass Biz pattern search site Jazzykid suggested is a real lifesaver. =
 I'll definitely be using in alot in the future I'm sure.

Shirley,  Is this a new pattern book?  I called a retailer and they could=
n't find it listed.  Does it have an ISBN number on the back of it I can =
search by?  Is it just the pictures, or does it also include the patterns=
?
> Are you familiar with Carolyn Kyle presents Glass Patterns In Color II
> book?

Patrick, Thanks for the suggestion of Southwest Expressions.  I located =
a copy of it locally and I'm going to go take a look at it tomorrow.

Joyce, once again, thank you so much for your design of the Indian Chief.=
  It's wonderful.  Even if I do decide to go with a full-sized window, =
I'm going to make this panel as well.  

Dawn

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Hello everyone,

I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
 enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does 
not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the 
tip, which is causing a wavy effect.

I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800 
degree tip?

For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for 
foil work?

I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one).  Will that affect 
the power so much that the tip won't heat enough?

Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the 
Weller 100?

Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work?  The tip it came 
with (3/8") seems way too wide.  I'm usually using a 1/4" tip.

Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary?  Would a little WD-40 or 
something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the 
same thing?  I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm 
not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing 
up.  I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag.  Would it be harmful to the 
iron for any reason to be stored without the tip?  Damage to the barrell?

Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems.
Dawn
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Hi!  I also have the same problem with my Weller 100 (with the built-in
temperatue control).  It is really frustrating because the iron seems to
be hot enough sometimes and cold other times.  I used much less
expensive irons that had rheostats at school and they worked so much
better.  I am buying a "cheaper" iron and a rheostat on my next trip to
the glass store, unless I can find a way to make my present iron work.  

One thing I have noticed--if I screw the tip tightly against the iron,
it overheats and then stops heating all together!  I would also
appreciate any suggestions.  Joni

> I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
>  enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does 
> not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the 
> tip, which is causing a wavy effect.
> 
> I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.

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IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with  a rheostat is the ONLY way to
go for foil work.

Also available is an 1,100 degree tip as well.
You may find some other of my posts in the archives.

I can sell you the 1140A ungar and rheostat if so desire.

Email me privately, Howard
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The post got bounced back from all three addresses so I have posted it to
the list.

Hi Valerie, seems I have a lot of addresses for you and one of these should
get through.

Hope you are surviving the weather, from here it looks pretty rough.

Enough social chit-chat!
The rental of the 12" chestnut is as follows:
Form and Pattern  is         $110.00
branches are                        $ 24.00
postage                                 $ 12.00
                                             -----------------
 Total                                    $146.00 to me
WHEN I get the form and pattern (in no worse condition) back I will send
you a check for:$60.50 (55% of the retail of the form and pattern)
The form is drilled on top for a worden lamp holder, a nice addition (but
not necessary) if you are going to do a few shades over the years.

Enjoy, H


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Yes, it froze up mine also.  I had to call the provider and he deleted the
message which unblocked things.  Nasty!

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Thanks Albert - it took 3 more attempts but I finally got there.  :)))
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Dawn wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
>  enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does
> not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the
> tip, which is causing a wavy effect.
> 
> I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800
> degree tip?
> 
> For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for
> foil work?
> 
> I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one).  Will that affect
> the power so much that the tip won't heat enough?
> 
> Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the
> Weller 100?
> 
> Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work?  The tip it came
> with (3/8") seems way too wide.  I'm usually using a 1/4" tip.
> 
> Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary?  Would a little WD-40 or
> something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the
> same thing?  I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm
> not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing
> up.  I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag.  Would it be harmful to the
> iron for any reason to be stored without the tip?  Damage to the barrell?
> 
> Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems.
> Dawn
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i don't have a weller, but hotter is always better, in my book. i
personally don't use anti sieze, it tends to smoke (even if it's meant
for heat). wd-40 would go up in a cloud of smoke.

usaully all of my tips are around 3/8" wide. mainly because i can get
into tight spots, and also so my arm does'nt get tired (heavier iron). 

i prefer keeping the tip in, mainly because it protects the elements. it
keeps them from rusting (faster), and from foriegn objects. it also
prevents loosing the tips.

---Mike Savad

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Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote:
> 
> IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with  a rheostat is the ONLY way to
> go for foil work.
> 
> Also available is an 1,100 degree tip as well.
> You may find some other of my posts in the archives.
> 
> I can sell you the 1140A ungar and rheostat if so desire.
> 
> Email me privately, Howard
> weaver51@teleport.com
> http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard
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so far that's the only iron that i like. hot tip, flexible cord, can be
used on a reostat. but expensive, though worth it...

generally i get the 50w (1100 degree).

---Mike Savad

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HI!  tried both Explorer and Netscape and got the same "can't open"  for
<http://www.teleport.com/~glaswiz> This was supposed to be Fusion
headquarters web page?  I got this off the igga list of suppliers.  What
did I do wrong?

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I use my 100 watt thermostat controlled on a rheostat when I need a cooler
temp.  I was also "taught" to use vaseline on the tip (cheaper) and to take
the tip off when I'm not using it to keep it from freezing on the iron
(Weller).  I too would be interested in what others do.  Lu Ann
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Dawn wrote:
>
>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
> enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does 
>not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the 
>tip, which is causing a wavy effect.
>
>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800 
>degree tip?
>
>For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for 
>foil work?

Dawn, I have the Weller 100 with an 800-degree tip. Last year I bought a 
Glastar rheostat to go with it, and it has solved all my soldering 
problems. Usually I can run the rheostat at about 70% for tinning; for 
beading I turn it down to about 50% and it works wonderfully.

I personally prefer the 1/4-inch tip also, it seems to be wide enough for 
my work and turn it on its side for finer soldering.

The Glastar rheostat cost me about $32; I have found it well worth the 
investment!

Suzanne

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Dawn,

I have a few suggestions, which I have interspersed with your message.

In message <1998Jan9.21213.0@?>, Dawn <dawnm@mail.fidnet.com> writes
>Hello everyone,
>
>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
> enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does 
>not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the 
>tip, which is causing a wavy effect.
>
This sounds like there just isn't enough capacity to deal with the heat
loss from the tip while soldering.  Going a bit slower might help.
>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800 
>degree tip?
an 800 degree soldering bolt might help, but it still may be that 100
watts just isn't enough power to keep the tip hot for the speed of your
work.
>
>For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for 
>foil work?
I use 800 for foil, 700 for lead.  But I also have a 200w Weller which
gives no problem in heat loss.  It only has a (rather large) 700 degree
bolt
>
>I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one).  Will that affect 
>the power so much that the tip won't heat enough?
No.
>
>Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the 
>Weller 100?
No.  the rheostat just reduces the amount of power going to the iron and
therefore the bolt, meaning that the bolt will take longer to recover
from the heat loss of melting the solder.
>
>Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work?  The tip it came 
>with (3/8") seems way too wide.  I'm usually using a 1/4" tip.
Fine, use what you feel comfortable with, but remember the soldering
bolt is a heat sink.  It holds a lot of heat with which to melt the
solder.  the smaller the bolt, the faster it loses heat, so the slower
you have to solder.
>
>Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary?  Would a little WD-40 or 
>something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the 
>same thing?  I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm 
>not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing 
>up.  I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag.  Would it be harmful to the 
>iron for any reason to be stored without the tip?  Damage to the barrell?
>
I partially unscrew the securing ring after the iron has cooled and
before i put it away.  As long as the iron is stored in dry conditions,
there should be no problems storing the iron with or without the bolt.
But,  are you sure the ziplock bag is dry inside?


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This URL worked for me.  Has anyone gone to this 3-day event?   I'd be interested in hearing some feedback so I can decide if I want to go.

Thanks,
L. Spangler

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I don't know if there was any 'attachment' to the msg (I never got that
far!) from:
 
		MiChea`l McClendon.
		live4games@worldnet.att.net

It was the message itself that jammed my mail! I too had to get the
provider to investigate the problem (when I couldn't retrieve mail for 12
hours!). They removed the message sent by MiChea'l and that cleared it up.
Something in her message appears to have 'bombed' some of our browsers.

This has happened in the past, for one reason or another.  Do any of you
computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the
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> I have noticed that most attachments are not real attachments, some kind
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Hi Folks,

I've been getting lots of interest in the studio thesis.  My husband was
playing around on his web page (Have pity when you visit, he's just
learning) and loaded it up on the page.  You can download it from:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/arthurs.and.willis/Glass.htm

It's only in Word for now, I'll try to get the text version out some
time this weekend, but the tables and figures don't work out very well
in the text version.

Given the kafuffle about attachments jamming up e-mail, I won't bother
to attach it here.

Keep in mind that this represents stained glass as I see it, and I am a
pure hobbyist who happens to struggle with soldering and sometimes
cutting.  I had to write it for someone who didn't know anything about
the hobby.  Also, as usual, I left the writing until the last minute
before the assignment was due, so some of it may be oversimplified or
exagerated (that word doesn't look right no matter how I spell it)
depending on what I thought the instructor wanted to see.

While you're at the site, you can take a look at our Caribbean vacation
summaries.  Only 30 more days to go 'til the next one.  That's great
given that our National Capital has been listed in a state of emergency
because of the ice storms the last few days and that's only a four hour
drive from here.

Hope this helps, it's nice to give back to a group that's been so
helpful to me.

Sandy
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Hi everyone,

I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has
experienced this phenomenon.  When I am soldering, the solder bead sets
so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting. 
I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I
still get the same sort of bead.  I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over
Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do
with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no
complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead
speed difference when I used my friend's iron.  I haven't taken the iron
into my local glass store yet, but that is the next step.

Anyone hear of this before?  These Ungar solder irons sound interesting,
will take a look in my catalogs for prices.

Thanks much as always,

Sandy
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Subject: Why flux?
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:03:37 -0500
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Hi All-

Here's a question for the teachers
and scientists in the group.  A
customer ask me today why I had
to use flux before I soldered.  Ummm.
Well, umm, the solder won't stick =

otherwise... Ummm, good question.
Could I get a scientific ( but
understandable to a layman) answer
in case a student every asks me that?!
Thanks!

Best regards,

Dani Greer
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Hi all of you wonderful stained glass artists!

Happy New Year! I am so glad I survived the holiday season & am now working
on Valentine's day gifts -- but things have finally slowed down a little
<g>.

I am usually a lurker but want to thank everyone on this list -- I have
really learned alot from everyone. Thank you! I love reading the posts
daily (((:

So a little off the subject -- I know there are cat lovers out there among
us -- my cat is addicted to the plastic copper foil ring -- are there any
harmful chemicals leftover that I should be concerned about? I hope not
cause my Cagney loves that little piece of plastic.

Thanks,

Di

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Subject: Re: Why flux?
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:47:40 -0500
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There are three main reasons that you need flux.

1)  Flux cleans the metal so that solder can easily bond with it.  If you
watch while you apply flux to some older copper foil you can actually see
the color get lighter and shinier.

2) Flux forms a liquid bridge between your iron tip and your metals
aiding in the transfer of heat to your work.

3)  Flux reduces the surface tension of the molten solder.  For a graphic
demonstration of this try the following:
Start with a clean dry piece of wood, homosote or wall board.  Melt some
solder onto the material and push it around a bit with your hot iron.  
You will see that the metal looks lifeless and kind of like it has a
thick skin over it.  It reminds me of a plastic bag full of water.  While
the solder is still hot , quickly brush a bit of flux onto it.  If you
don't douse it too heavily and cool it off, you will witness it
immediately come to life.  The "plastic bag" will disappear and the
solder will pull itself up into a  lively snappy ball that  bounces and
rolls around freely. (like mercury)

Gary Dodge              Dodge Studio Designs
On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:03:37 -0500 "Michael J. Greer"
<GreerStudios@compuserve.com> writes:
>Hi All-
>
>Here's a question for the teachers
>and scientists in the group.  A
>customer ask me today why I had
>to use flux before I soldered.  Ummm.
>Well, umm, the solder won't stick =
>
>otherwise... Ummm, good question.
>Could I get a scientific ( but
>understandable to a layman) answer
>in case a student every asks me that?!
>Thanks!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dani Greer
>Greer Gallery & Studios
>http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/
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dawn.  have you tried to clean you iron?  when cool unscrew the nut that
holds the tip in  then pull out tip and clean with rubbing alcohol also use
q-tip and clean out the inside of the iron where the tip sets.  If that
doesn't work try another extention cord. cathie

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I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems, email me,
and let me know what software  you are using for email, I'll try to find a
common thread

Jean wrote:

> This has happened in the past, for one reason or another.  Do any of you
> computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the
> future?

'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative
altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's
most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for
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Hi Dawn-

It sounds to me like your iron
is just not able to keep up with
you.  We don't use the Weller100
for copper foil work at all- it just
cools off too fast to get a good
long run.  You might try a
beefier Weller - 150 or 175.  We
like Hexacons if you can find a
source - have only found one
wholesaler that supplies them
though.

Best regards,

Dani Greer
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Hi Carl,
I use Microsoft Explorer for mail. That msg totally stopped up my mail
system. My provider deleted the offending mail and all was well after that.
They could not get my mail with one machine but with Netscape on another
they were able to get all and the problem was cleared.

Hopefully the others will also let you know what they are using, it would
be nice to resolve this.
Thx, Jean

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> I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems,
email me,
> and let me know what software  you are using for email, I'll try to find
a
> common thread
> 
> Jean wrote:
> 
> > This has happened in the past, for one reason or another.  Do any of
you
> > computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the
> > future?
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I know I've been there.  just beautiful.
Melissa


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To: glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass


>Melissa Thaxton wrote:
>>
>> When I first started stained glass in 1979, all I ever used was Fisher
and
>> Desag`,  couldn't get me to use anything else.  It's nice to see "others"
>> with the same pallet!  Never have physically seen Lamberts glass but when
I
>> do I will be in the poor house, I'm sure!
>>
>> Melissa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael J. Greer <GreerStudios@compuserve.com>
>> To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com <glass@bungi.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 07, 1998 2:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: Merry-Go-Round Glass
>>
>> >And then, of course, there are
>> >glasses like the Glashutte =
>> >
>> >Lamberts that we're working
>> >with right now that make you
>> >think you've died and gone
>> >to glass heaven!  West German.
>> >Mouthblown. Expensive.  Yum.
>> >
>> >Sure wish all our customers would
>> >spring for this stuff!  (I guess at =
>> >
>> >$120/sheet wholesale I should say
>> >"stuph"!)
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >
>> >Dani Greer
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>
>oh then go to http://www.lamberts.de/elambhom.htm they have most of
>their colors online. it looks alot nicer in person of course, until you
>see the price attached.
>
>---Mike Savad
>
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Thanks for the reply, Gary, but
I want to know WHY.  What is
happening on a chemical level?
What is it about flux that does all
these things, why can't I use some-
thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that
matter!)  Why do the same character-
istics you describe apply to both
copper foil and lead?  Why can't
I "clean" my lead with a steel brush
and have the solder adhere without
flux?  It's more than just how clean
the metal is.  There's a chemical
reaction that occurs and I'd like to
get an understandable explanation
if that's possible.  =


Best regards,

Dani Greer
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I have a question about putting the Weller 100 on a rheastat, I was taught
not to do that, the Weller 100 has an internal control and putting it on a
rheastat would burn it out.  Has this changed?  
I find if I don't keep the tip very clean, I lose heat much faster and have
to solder much slower.
Sherry

At 05:58 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dawn wrote:
>>
>>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
>> enough. 
>>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800 
>>degree tip?

Dawn, I have the Weller 100 with an 800-degree tip. Last year I bought a 
>Glastar rheostat to go with it, and it has solved all my soldering 
>problems. Usually I can run the rheostat at about 70% for tinning; for 
>beading I turn it down to about 50% and it works wonderfully.

>Suzanne
>
>-

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Dawn wrote:
> 
> Jazzykid, Joyce, Shirley, and Patrick,
> 
> Thank you for your help in locating native american designs.  The Stained=
>  Glass Biz pattern search site Jazzykid suggested is a real lifesaver. =
>  I'll definitely be using in alot in the future I'm sure.
> 
> Shirley,  Is this a new pattern book?  I called a retailer and they could=
> n't find it listed.  Does it have an ISBN number on the back of it I can =
> search by?  Is it just the pictures, or does it also include the patterns=
> ?
> > Are you familiar with Carolyn Kyle presents Glass Patterns In Color II
> > book?
ISBN 0-935133-34-8     Copyright 1990

Title               Pattern #       Size           Page
Cheyenne Winter     CKE-107         19" by 17"     26
Navajo Brave        CKE-115         16" by 23"     26
Plains Warrior      CKE-120         24" by 33"     25
Forever Proud       CKE119          21" by 35"     24

All patterns are $9 ea.
Shoshoni Encampment and Navajo Brave are a pair.

It is a 50 page soft cover book with 50 full color photos of the
finnished project.  Then the last 3 pages are the order info.
Hope this helps.  It is a really neat book.
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This has really taken stepping stones and stained glass to a high level
if not the highest.  Check it out
http://glassicarts.com/artwork.htm
And it sure looks like the indian is CKE's Forever Proud if you want to
see what that pattern looks like.  The background is IMHO better.
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Just got my Winter 97/98 Glass Pattern Quarterly and on page 22 Wardell
Publication isadvertising Windows of North America.  There is a great
Indian Chief on the cover.
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> Has anyone gone to this 3-day event?  

Gil Reynolds has a reputation for being one of the most knowledgeable 
glass fusing people around ... and an infectious, enthusiastic 
teacher, as well, so I'd say go for it. By the way, the URL 
http://www.teleport.com/~glaswiz/ works fine from here.

Albert

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In a message dated 98-01-10 00:10:49 EST, you write:

<< Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote:
 > 
 > IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with  a rheostat is the ONLY way to
 > go for foil work. >>

Howard:  If you have the time would you explain why?  Thanks!    Lu Ann
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Are you using lead solder?  I know lead free will do this.

Also as to soldering irons, our favorite at our store is the Hakko.  I
started on an Ungar years ago and loved it, also, but almost immediately
burned my cord - it slips right through the rings on the soldering iron
holder.  The Hakko has a big, thick cord that doesn't allow this to happen.
 But that is not the real reason for my love of the Hakko - it just feels
better and seems to have that nice, even heat to the tip.

However, we still sell Ungars and they are great, too.

Actually, it is a really big investement, but the Hexacon iron is great -
kind of hard to get used to at first (it is hatchet shaped) but I don't
have to go back and bead - the first swipe is the last swipe since it puts
a bead on the piece as you are doing preliminary soldering.

Well, thats my 2 cents worth.

Zane

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> From: Joseph Arthurs <arthurs.and.willis@sympatico.ca>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: Weller 100
> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:28 PM
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has
> experienced this phenomenon.  When I am soldering, the solder bead sets
> so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting. 
> I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I
> still get the same sort of bead.  I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over
> Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do
> with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no
> complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead
> speed difference when I used my friend's iron.  I haven't taken the iron
> into my local glass store yet, but that is the next step.
> 
> Anyone hear of this before?  These Ungar solder irons sound interesting,
> will take a look in my catalogs for prices.
> 
> Thanks much as always,
> 
> Sandy
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I would just wipe it off well - you have been handling it with flux and
lead on your hands for several days/weeks, so it may have surface
contamination.

Otherwise, let Cagney go at it.  Ever tried tying it to a piece of string
and attaching the string to a pole (sort of a fishing rod set up) and they
teasing her with it.  Cats love that, also.

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> From: Di Baker <rbaker@abelink.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Happy New Year
> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 9:32 PM
> 
> Hi all of you wonderful stained glass artists!
> 
> Happy New Year! I am so glad I survived the holiday season & am now
working
> on Valentine's day gifts -- but things have finally slowed down a little
> <g>.
> 
> I am usually a lurker but want to thank everyone on this list -- I have
> really learned alot from everyone. Thank you! I love reading the posts
> daily (((:
> 
> So a little off the subject -- I know there are cat lovers out there
among
> us -- my cat is addicted to the plastic copper foil ring -- are there any
> harmful chemicals leftover that I should be concerned about? I hope not
> cause my Cagney loves that little piece of plastic.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Di
> 
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Hi,
I also had a problem with this piece of mail. Luckily it happened to me in
the middle of a work day so I could call my server and they managed to pull
that message out of my mailbox. I am using Microsoft Internet Mail
ver.4.70.1162. This is the first time I had had this problem. 
Carole

****I will not yell on the bus...I will not throw things on the bus...I
will not get mad and hit anyone on the bus...I will not put my gum under
the seat...I will always keep my eyes on the road, because I am the
driver...I am the driver... I am the driver...****

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> Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 12:27 AM
> 
> I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems,
email me,
> and let me know what software  you are using for email, I'll try to find
a
> common thread
> 
> Jean wrote:
> 
> > This has happened in the past, for one reason or another.  Do any of
you
> > computer whizzes have any ideas as to how this could be avoided in the
> > future?
> 
> 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative
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> most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for
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Hi All,
I also used a Weller 100 for many years with the same frustration that
many of you are experiencing.  I used 1/8 tip because I was able to get
in those small areas of copper foil.  I now use a Hakko 456 with 1/8"
tip and I really love it.  No cooling and a nice even bead.  
Dianne
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Dawn,

Don't give up on that Weller 100.  Just a few thoughts that I have......

In my experience with the Weller 100s, they ARE sensitive to drops in
current because they operate on a bimetal expansion principal. ie, they
have to have full power in order to generate enough heat for the metals
to expand and contract.  They DO NOT work off of a rheostat because
rheostats cut the current back to some percentage of the supplied
current from the outlet.

Extension cords are a problem ..... IF ..... they are very long
(provides enough resistance in the cord to drop the current), or if they
are small gauge wire (smaller than 14 gauge).  One customer of mine had
a similar problem with a Weller 100 in her basement, but it worked fine
in my shop .... when we started talking about her set up, she said there
were three extension cords (about 75 feet in total) that ran from an
outlet to her bench.  She removed the extension cords and her iron
worked fine.

Another thing to check is the circuit itself.  If you're running lights,
boom box, exhaust fans, beer cooler and every thing else off the same
circuit, then there could be enough of a drain on that circuit to
interfere with the Weller .... try to use it on a dedicated circuit, or
at least beef the amperage up with a 20 or 30 amp breaker.

The 700 degree tip should work fine for foil and lead, unless (like
someone else suggested) you're trying to pull the bead too fast.  The
800 degree tip works best for me on hard cames like zinc and brass or
copper, and the 600 degree tip works well for decorative stuff where you
want the solder to be more "pasty" than molten.

Keep the iron clean and you shouldn't need any anti-seize compounds

Seriously, I've had very good luck with the Wellers 100s, but the
primary problem that I have seen is insufficient power to allow the iron
function properly.

Hope this helps.

Mike Peck
Summit Stained Glass



Dawn wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
>  enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does
> not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag the
> tip, which is causing a wavy effect.
> 
> I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800
> degree tip?
> 
> For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for
> foil work?
> 
> I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one).  Will that affect
> the power so much that the tip won't heat enough?
> 
> Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the
> Weller 100?
> 
> Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work?  The tip it came
> with (3/8") seems way too wide.  I'm usually using a 1/4" tip.
> 
> Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary?  Would a little WD-40 or
> something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do the
> same thing?  I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm
> not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it freezing
> up.  I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag.  Would it be harmful to the
> iron for any reason to be stored without the tip?  Damage to the barrell?
> 
> Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems.
> Dawn
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Joseph Arthurs wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a Weller 100 and I was wondering whether anyone else has
> experienced this phenomenon.  When I am soldering, the solder bead sets
> so that it looks like it's been sandblasted with very fine pitting.
> I've tried new solder, flux, copper foil, and a new solder tip but I
> still get the same sort of bead.  I used a girlfriend's Weller 100 over
> Christmas and I didn't get that effect so I think it's something to do
> with the iron heat control. The iron is about 8 years old. I have no
> complaints about how fast the bead runs and I didn't notice any bead
> speed difference when I used my friend's iron.  I haven't taken the iron
> into my local glass store yet, but that is the next step.
> 
> Anyone hear of this before?  These Ungar solder irons sound interesting,
> will take a look in my catalogs for prices.
> 
> Thanks much as always,
> 
> Sandy
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it sound's like too much flux, but i'm not sure. maybe the iron is
running hotter than normal. the ungar is a very good iron, lightweight,
and hot. the average price is between $35-50 or so. get the one that is
one piece (the heater unit). they make a type that the tip is seperate
from the heater. it's cheaper, but it does'nt heat up at all well.

---Mike Savad

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Di Baker wrote:
> 
> Hi all of you wonderful stained glass artists!
> 
> Happy New Year! I am so glad I survived the holiday season & am now working
> on Valentine's day gifts -- but things have finally slowed down a little
> <g>.
> 
> I am usually a lurker but want to thank everyone on this list -- I have
> really learned alot from everyone. Thank you! I love reading the posts
> daily (((:
> 
> So a little off the subject -- I know there are cat lovers out there among
> us -- my cat is addicted to the plastic copper foil ring -- are there any
> harmful chemicals leftover that I should be concerned about? I hope not
> cause my Cagney loves that little piece of plastic.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Di
> 
> ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*
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>            __,.-" =__Y=  Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah,
>    jgs   ."        )              Tornado, Cagney
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i don't think there would be. i would wash it thoughly, to remove
possible flux, and mold releases.


---Mike Savad

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Whispy Blu wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-01-10 00:10:49 EST, you write:
> 
> << Howard and Elaine Rubin wrote:
>  >
>  > IMHO.................Ungar 1,000 degree with  a rheostat is the ONLY way to
>  > go for foil work. >>
> 
> Howard:  If you have the time would you explain why?  Thanks!    Lu Ann
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when soldering you want a constant heat flow, you want the solder to
stay a liquid as you work with it. all the other irons i've used could
never do that. it stays a liquid at the imidiate site of the tip. the
ungar will keep the first inch liquid making for smoother beads. it will
also heat a cap much faster, making a better bond for the solder.

i found it's the quickest iron to use for fast beads.

---Mike Savad

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Dianne G. Maddison wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I also used a Weller 100 for many years with the same frustration that
> many of you are experiencing.  I used 1/8 tip because I was able to get
> in those small areas of copper foil.  I now use a Hakko 456 with 1/8"
> tip and I really love it.  No cooling and a nice even bead.
> Dianne
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does your hakko tip have tinning all the way up? when i got mine, both
tips were tinned only 1/4 of the way up. which means it's really bad at
soldering. are all the tips like that? or are mine the unlucky ones... 

---Mike Savad

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In a message dated 98-01-10 00:59:39 EST, you write:

> I opened it ok with Netscape 4.01. If those of you who had problems, email
me,
>  and let me know what software  you are using for email, I'll try to find a
>  common thread
>  
so what was in it?
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I have been using a Weller 100 for about 3 yrs now.  The tip has NEVER
seized up (I don't use anything on it).  I also use a 700 degree tip.  My
only problem is that it runs TOO hot.  I have been toying with the idea of
buying a rheastat but never get around to it.  Now I wonder if I should or
not.

Jean

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> From: Paul Deutsch <beermug@snowcrest.net>

> Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 11:28 PM
> 
> I have a question about putting the Weller 100 on a rheastat, I was
taught
> not to do that, the Weller 100 has an internal control and putting it on
a
> rheastat would burn it out.  Has this changed?  
> Sherry
> -----------
> 
>
At 05:58 PM 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dawn wrote:
> >>
> >>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being hot
> >> enough. 
> >>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800 
> >>degree tip?
> -------------
>
> Dawn, I have the Weller 100 with an 800-degree tip. Last year I bought a 
> >Glastar rheostat to go with it, and it has solved all my soldering 
> >problems. Usually I can run the rheostat at about 70% for tinning; for 
> >beading I turn it down to about 50% and it works wonderfully.
> 
> >Suzanne
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In a message dated 98-01-10 11:42:33 EST, you write:

<< I have been using a Weller 100 for about 3 yrs now.  The tip has NEVER
 seized up (I don't use anything on it).  I also use a 700 degree tip.  My
 only problem is that it runs TOO hot.  I have been toying with the idea of
 buying a rheastat but never get around to it.  Now I wonder if I should or
 n >>
 
I have used a rh-stat on mine, but the postings are making me think twice.
I've done so for about 4 yrs. and mine is still working so.............I guess
I'll keep reading the posts before I do it again.  It also appears that I
might need more than one iron.  What I am learning on bungi!!!  Lu Ann (Whispy
Blu@aol.com)
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Hello!
    I'm running MS Internet Explorer 4.01, and the URL:
http://www.teleport.com/~glaswiz
WORKED for me too!
Suggestion?: type the URL in your browser, rather than clicking on the
syntax.
Otherwise...contact your Server, for help from your support techs, something
may be amiss in your setup!
regards, MiChea`l

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Hi, I just want to warn you..  Always check your pattern to the  mold  =
and  if applicable to your base for your finished product. Yesterday, I =
was very excited to start cutting glass for my Bradley Sconce Light.  I =
had  cut the pattern out and was just ready to chose the glass and glue =
the pattern to it.. This is the few times I make anything for myself, =
and was glad to replace that 1950 wall light in my hallway.  I had =
chosen the Iris pattern with  a ribbon pattern and a border.. While =
downstairs I decided to lay the pattern on the mold and see how the  =
base fitted to the bottom.. Well, to my astonishment, the base hid a =
good inch of the bottom of the shade.. This meant that the border glass =
would not be seen and in fact, part of the ribbon was also hid.. So =
today I will be drawing out a new pattern..  I had hoped that I would =
have been able to start foiling while I watched the Steelers football =
game tomorrow, but atlas, I will not be able to foil, but glad I did not =
have a finished lamp and than seen the problem..=20
To Howard,
Thank you, I have been reading the archives and your directions on lamp =
making is fantastic.. If any one is interested in making lamps, you =
should read the archives.. Howard's help is great, and I just finished =
the part when you received the title of Uncle.. Just for all your =
thoughtfulness.  Thank you..,
Gloria
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Michael,
I had tried that once, but I ended up with steam, maybe from the flux =
between the pieces.. Is there  a method you use.. Or maybe just a little =
bit of flux and I might have used too much.. I like the Glassmith =
Studio, my favorite pattern books, I always thought they just made their =
own bevels.. Glad to know  this  technique..=20
thanks up front,
Gloria

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You can cut the blue glass to match the size of the bevel. Then use =
either
3/8" or 1/2" foil, hold the two pieces together and foil them as one =
piece.
I do it often myself. You can see some wonderful plating done by =
Glassmith
Studio's, their books are easily found.
Michael


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I also have the Hakko "Super Pro" 60 watt iron  #456 and I also love =
it.. Mike, I think my tip is tinned all the way.. Never had a problem =
with rot but I do  need to clean pretty often, but, when working, it has =
not failed to give a nice constant bead.

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Dianne G. Maddison wrote:
>=20
> Hi All,
> I also used a Weller 100 for many years with the same frustration that
> many of you are experiencing.  I used 1/8 tip because I was able to =
get
> in those small areas of copper foil.  I now use a Hakko 456 with 1/8"
> tip and I really love it.  No cooling and a nice even bead.
> Dianne
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does your hakko tip have tinning all the way up? when i got mine, both
tips were tinned only 1/4 of the way up. which means it's really bad at
soldering. are all the tips like that? or are mine the unlucky ones...=20

---Mike Savad

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Hi Dani, sorry no laymens answer forthcoming from this end.....I was just
hoping they don't ask you what state of matter glass falls into.....things get
real tricky there....

Good luck....I  am also looking forward to the answer...
Maureen
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Dear Readers of "The List";
    I contacted my Technical support@worldnet.att.com  about "bombing" =
or Messing-up a lot of your e-mail programs!
The problem was, I had "HTML" set in sending mail, rather than "Plain =
Text".
HTML tells downloaders, that a "Attachment" (like pic's or files) is =
just that, which was messing-up some of your systems.
For this, PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES!

I haven't been "computing" as long as my husband, and was Unaware of a =
lot of SETTINGS in here (my computer).
Thanks again, and for all the responses.=20

If any of you are still having problems in this area, AT&T  (whether =
you're with them or not), say's to contact THEM, so they can check to =
see if the problem is at THEIR location.

Kindest regards, MiChea`l McClendon. (Spokane, WA)
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Readers of =
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href=3D"mailto:upport@worldnet.att.com">upport@worldnet.att.com</A>&nbsp;=
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&quot;bombing&quot; or Messing-up a lot of your e-mail =
programs!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem was, I had &quot;HTML&quot; =
set in=20
sending mail, rather than &quot;Plain Text&quot;.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HTML tells downloaders, that a=20
&quot;Attachment&quot; (like pic's or files) is just that, which was =
messing-up=20
some of your systems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For this, PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE=20
APOLOGIES!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I haven't been &quot;computing&quot; as =
long as my=20
husband, and was Unaware of a lot of SETTINGS in here (my=20
computer).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again, and for all the =
responses.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If any of you are still having problems =
in this=20
area, AT&amp;T&nbsp; (whether you're with them or not), say's to contact =
THEM,=20
so they can check to see if the problem is at THEIR =
location.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kindest regards, MiChea`l McClendon. =
(Spokane,=20
WA)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my
messages.  I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then
delete the offending message.  This wastes a lot of time!  What is causing
this?  Both messages have come from

 Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at
<live4games@worldnet.att.net>

I have noticed others are having similar problems.  I have not experienced
this before.  What can be done?

Dale

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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 Than to spend tonight like there is no money!"
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It is me again... I have to admit this.. Bradley did not make a designer =
error.. I guess a full week of work and being tired, looking at it at =
midnight,  I had a sight error.. Their design is great..
Now, I need help with the attachments..
The way I am looking at it, I will have a finish lamp base/sconce, the =
Wall sconce Electrical wiring kit ( includes brass reinforcement wall =
brackets, but the main piece is a Hanley Industries almost triangle =
backing which is plastic) and the Wall Sconce Base (cat.#/WSB10 ), has =
anyone ever assembles one of these and could you please give me =
instructions..  Yes, I will have an electrician for the final =
installation but I need to give him a finished /assembled product for =
hanging..=20
Thanks in advance,
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Mine crashed with the second msg from Micheal McClendon also.   Not sure what is causing this
problem....but it is a pain I agree.  This second msg.  was an apolgy about crashing everyones
emails.  Hopefully they will get it fixed on their end.

Sheila

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| To: Bungi <glass@bungi.com>
| Subject: Sick of Crashing!
| Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 3:47 PM
| 
| For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my
| messages.  I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then
| delete the offending message.  This wastes a lot of time!  What is causing
| this?  Both messages have come from
| 
|  Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at
| <live4games@worldnet.att.net>
| 
| I have noticed others are having similar problems.  I have not experienced
| this before.  What can be done?
| 
| Dale
| 
| $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Gloria... I have used this method with great success. When you foil the two
pieces you foil them together, as if they were just one thick piece. I'm
not sure if I made that clear before. Burnish it real well. I use flux as I
would usually, heat too. Make sure that there are no, absolutely no cracks
or open seams in the foil. Try again. Good Luck.
Michael


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Dani greer writes:

Thanks for the reply, Gary, but
I want to know WHY.  What is
happening on a chemical level?
What is it about flux that does all
these things, why can't I use some-
thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that
matter!)  Why do the same character-
istics you describe apply to both
copper foil and lead?  Why can't
I "clean" my lead with a steel brush
and have the solder adhere without
flux?  It's more than just how clean
the metal is.  There's a chemical
reaction that occurs and I'd like to
get an understandable explanation
if that's possible.  =


Best regards,

Dani Greer

Bob says go to:

http://www.finishing.com/Library/flux.html

You will find a better explaintion than I can give. I would not be 
surprised if butter made a good flux. I know that beef fat (and 
others) makes a great flux except for the stink.

I get the idea that flux does three things.
1. Cleans the area to be soldered.
2. Prevents oxidation of the area after cleaning and before soldering.

3. Acts as a wetting agent between the solder and material to be 
soldered.

Lightly fluxed, Bob

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LOL I have to tell you this one I guess I never opened his mail cause
Live4games looked like an x-rated site name(I usually delete without even
opening) and I'm always getting that kind of junk mail
sorry Michael
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> 
Several times I have also had my computer lock up when receiving
Bungi mail (on Microsoft Internet Explorer)  My service provider
suggested I also use Pegasus Mail which I do.  Now when I get to one
of the messages that lock, I simply load the rest on Pegasus.  For
some reason it always works..

If you can't find access to Pegasus contact me at proffire@ebtech.net
and I will try to download  info to you.


Doug Scale



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> Bob says go to:
> 
> http://www.finishing.com/Library/flux.html
I couldn't get this kept getting URL Not Found.
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We just added a bunch of new, upcoming workshops to the events 
section of stainedglassbiz.com ... and we've made it easier to access 
and use, too.  Until now, you had to wait'n'wait'n'wait while the 
*whole *year! downloaded to your screen.  Now you just select which 
month of the upcoming year you'd like to know about and the info 
comes onto your screen much more quickly.

Go http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Events"  ... or 
click on events on our home page, the URL is below.

When will we fix it so you can just look for the *type of glass 
workshop you want ... say beadmaking workshops in March? Soon.

Albert Lewis, ExecDir
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Hi all !
  A friend of mine sent me this site that she found while browsing.  It has some stain glass to
look at.  Thought some of the stuff was really nice....it was worth looking  at.  
 http://www.ila.com/index2.htm    

Enjoy,
Sheila (another Lurker)
Ohio
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my mail is jammed again! I will bet there is a message from MiChaell that
came in immediately following this one.


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From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net>
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Subject: RE: bevel overlay
Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 7:51 AM



Michael,
I had tried that once, but I ended up with steam, maybe from the flux
between the pieces.. Is there  a method you use.. Or maybe just a little
bit of flux and I might have used too much.. I like the Glassmith Studio,
my favorite pattern books, I always thought they just made their own
bevels.. Glad to know  this  technique.. 
thanks up front,
Gloria

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> Go http://www.stainedglassbiz.com/ and click on "Events"  ... or 
> click on events on our home page, the URL is below.

Sorry, I was *sure I'd added my address slug.  Let's try that again.

Albert
International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc.
A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association
54 Cherry St., PO Box 1809, North Adams MA 01247-1809
(413) 663-5512  Fax: (413) 663-7167
_____________________________________________
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Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/



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For the second time in what, two days, my mail (inbound) is stuck.  If I
find that it is caused by someone on this list--as it was last time--I will
have to unsu*b.  You can't answer me now, but be warned that it is
happening again.

Dr. Bob and The Loom Rat
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> Bob says go to:
> 
> http://www.finishing.com/Library/flux.html
I couldn't get this kept getting URL Not Found.

I just tried it and it worked. Tried it by using a small l in Library 
and it did not work. That may be the problem. Some addresses are case 
sensitive and this may well be one of them.

Bob, who only knows a little about computers and less about browsers.


____
Bob Duchesneau (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom 
get what you don't pay for.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 
Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA, 92026,USA
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> If I find that it is caused by someone on this list--as it was last time--
> I will have to unsu*b.  


I said a similar thing to my cardiologist last time I saw him. "If I 
find that modern life with its stresses and strains is having an 
effect on my heart, I'll have to commit suicide."  <g>

Be patient, Bob. He's already apologized and has fixed the problem 
after working laboriously, furiously and shame-facedly (if that's a 
word) to "amend his ways." It was a mistake. He's human; so are we 
all. This email/internet stuff can be confusing, even to me, and I'm 
even semi-literate in computer stuff.

Albert

P.S. Isn't it funny how quickly all of us have come to not only 
demand, but *depend on email and the internet? Two ... three years 
ago, how many of us had ever even *heard of the thing? - A

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> (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom 
> get what you don't pay for.)

I seldom read slugs but this one caught my eye and made me laugh. 
Good'un. <s> True, too.

Why is it, Bob, that every time I download email yours is the first 
message in the list? <g> Always! Must be karma or something.

Albert

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The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added
Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer
cannot (for whatever reason).  You can switch back and forth, so I would
advise going out to the internet and downloading it (sorry, I can't tell
you where I have seen it for free as a download, but I know it is there
- I actually owned the disk so I installed from that).

Zane

The Banker's House wrote:
> 
> For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my
> messages.  I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then
> delete the offending message.  This wastes a lot of time!  What is causing
> this?  Both messages have come from
> 
>  Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at
> <live4games@worldnet.att.net>
> 
> I have noticed others are having similar problems.  I have not experienced
> this before.  What can be done?
> 
> Dale
> 
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>  The Banker's House
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BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote:

> 
> I just tried it and it worked. Tried it by using a small l in Library
> and it did not work. That may be the problem. Some addresses are case
> sensitive and this may well be one of them.
> 
Thank you, it was my fault.  I didn't see the capital L when I was
putting in on my other server so I could bookmark it.
I have very little perception of distance and direction, Guess I can add
web addresses to that list.
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I went to Hot Glass Horizons in Corning last year for the first time and this
is what I have to say about it....

If you enjoy having instructors who are nationally recognized, are a blast to
hang out with;    oh, and by the way the classes are very good also....then I
say if you can swing it financially, by all means GO!  Never before have I
felt so at home with such a  large group of people.   In fact, in their flyer
they printed a quote from me (Corny.) Something I wrote on a commentary we had
to fill out.

It's expensive, but a good place for networking and making glass friends.

Theresa Schember
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Dale (bankers@ictc.com), it worked, thanks for the suggestion.  Took up
most of the afternoon to get it all figured out, but it's done.  After
crashing again (with msg from Michae'l McClenden) I went to Yahoo mail, got
an address there and had my mail from this address picked up there, that
cleared MiChae'ls' message from here and I'm back in business. Thx again
Dale. Sure beats having to call the provider and tell them, 'Help, I did it
again'!



MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until
you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to
spend the afternoon!
 
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MiChea'l, why do your messages come thru with attachements?  I, as a
matter of course, delete all message attachements from unknown names.
Can you, perhaps, restructure your messages?




---MiChea`l McClendon  wrote:

   ATTACHMENT
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Thanks, Sheila, for sharing a  good site.

Bonnie
 (yet another Lurker)
--------------------


---Sheila  wrote:
>
> Hi all !
>   A friend of mine sent me this site that she found while browsing. 
It has some stain glass to
> look at.  Thought some of the stuff was really nice....it was worth
looking  at.  
>  http://www.ila.com/index2.htm    
> 
> Enjoy,
> Sheila (another Lurker)
> Ohio
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BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote:

> 
> I just tried it and it worked. Tried it by using a small l in Library
> and it did not work. That may be the problem. Some addresses are case
> sensitive and this may well be one of them.
> 
Thank you, it was my fault.  I didn't see the capital L when I was
putting in on my other server so I could bookmark it.
I have very little perception of distance and direction, Guess I can add
web addresses to that list.
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> If I find that it is caused by someone on this list--as it was last time--
> I will have to unsu*b.  


I said a similar thing to my cardiologist last time I saw him. "If I 
find that modern life with its stresses and strains is having an 
effect on my heart, I'll have to commit suicide."  <g>

Be patient, Bob. He's already apologized and has fixed the problem 
after working laboriously, furiously and shame-facedly (if that's a 
word) to "amend his ways." It was a mistake. He's human; so are we 
all. This email/internet stuff can be confusing, even to me, and I'm 
even semi-literate in computer stuff.

Albert

P.S. Isn't it funny how quickly all of us have come to not only 
demand, but *depend on email and the internet? Two ... three years 
ago, how many of us had ever even *heard of the thing? - A

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> (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom 
> get what you don't pay for.)

I seldom read slugs but this one caught my eye and made me laugh. 
Good'un. <s> True, too.

Why is it, Bob, that every time I download email yours is the first 
message in the list? <g> Always! Must be karma or something.

Albert

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The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added
Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer
cannot (for whatever reason).  You can switch back and forth, so I would
advise going out to the internet and downloading it (sorry, I can't tell
you where I have seen it for free as a download, but I know it is there
- I actually owned the disk so I installed from that).

Zane

The Banker's House wrote:
> 
> For two days in a row now, my system has crashed when trying to bring in my
> messages.  I am able to load them onto a web-located email system, and then
> delete the offending message.  This wastes a lot of time!  What is causing
> this?  Both messages have come from
> 
>  Michae'l McClendon (sp?) at
> <live4games@worldnet.att.net>
> 
> I have noticed others are having similar problems.  I have not experienced
> this before.  What can be done?
> 
> Dale
> 
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Albert wrote:
>> (You don't always get what you pay for but you seldom 
>> get what you don't pay for.)
>
>I seldom read slugs but this one caught my eye and made me laugh. 
>Good'un. <s> True, too.

Hey Albert, today all your E-Mail is coming through twice!
Guess today I'm getting double what I'm not paying for!

Suzanne 
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Been reading the messages about e-mails crashing your systems.  I
haven't had any problems and I only use Netscape for my e-mail.  Here
are two links for free downloads...the first one is for Netscape
Communicator  http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow
and the second one is for Netscape Gold
http://home.netscape.com/download/index.html?cp=hmp01sdow

Netscape Communicator is the newest and "fanciest" and I don't have much
experience at it, but I've installed it on my folks computer and they're
happy with it. I've been using Netscape Gold for the last couple of
years and like it just fine.

Just thought I'd help with locating the page for the free downloads!!!
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Just to add to the confusion here are my experiences with the Weller 100w
iron.
(For years my only iron was a Sears 200W iron, and prior to that a
Hexacon 250w.  Note the trend here......It's not that I wouldn't rather
be using the big guns, but my arm likes the smaller irons much
better....Although I must confess that for the big stuff I still go with
a larger iron.)

1)  I think that it can provide as much heat as the Weller 80w when used
with the hotter tips.
2)  As far as things seizing, I've had all kinds of things seize on them.
 The collar that holds the tip has seized twice, but now I use anti
seize.  More interestingly, I had one of the tips expand at the bottom
around the bottom of the bi-metalic plug so that I almost couldn't get it
out of the iron without destroying the iron.  (This was not dirt or
oxides, the tip actually expanded.)
3) I do use a temperature control with them for operations like edge
beading that require less heat, but I never use a rheostat type control. 
All of our temperature controls are of the same type as the Glastar
control, which cycles the current on and off periodically, rather than
cutting the voltage.
4)Years ago I read an article that said that rheostat type temperature
controls damage heating elements, and at the time it all made sense to
me, but to tell the truth, I don't remember why.  (There are other
reasons I prefer the cycling type controls.)
5)More than once I have forgotten to turn my Weller 100 off overnight and
any other iron would have burned up the tip.
6)  Sometimes when you have heat supply problems you need to carefully
inspect your iron tip. (This applies to any iron.) If there is a pinhole
in the plating, the copper core may be disolving away as you work.  The
steel jacket of the tip is not able to supply enough heat if the copper 
is gone and the tip is hollow.
7)  I pretty much always use  a wide tip.  If you use a small tip it
can't conduct heat to the work fast enough.  Think of it as a hose for
heat.  

Gary Dodge                      Dodge Studio designs

On Fri, 09 Jan 98 13:02:13 PST Dawn <dawnm@mustang.hwy66.com> writes:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I believe my problems with my soldering stem from my iron not being 
>hot
> enough.  Sometimes when I'm trying to smooth out a bead it just does 
>not want to melt as I go to pull it through and almost have to drag 
>the 
>tip, which is causing a wavy effect.
>
>I'm using a Weller 100 with a 700 degree tip.  Should I try the 800 
>degree tip?
>
>For those that use the Weller 100, what temperature tip do you use for 
>
>foil work?
>
>I have the iron plugged into an extension cord (just one).  Will that 
>affect 
>the power so much that the tip won't heat enough?
>
>Should I buy another kind of iron that uses a rheostat, instead of the 
>
>Weller 100?
>
>Also, what size tip do you typically use for foil work?  The tip it 
>came 
>with (3/8") seems way too wide.  I'm usually using a 1/4" tip.
>
>Anti-Seize - Is this product necessary?  Would a little WD-40 or 
>something around the barrel of the iron or the shaft of the grinder do 
>the 
>same thing?  I thought about taking my tip off my Weller 100 when I'm 
>not using the iron to help protect the tip, as well as prevent it 
>freezing 
>up.  I have my extras stored in a ziplock bag.  Would it be harmful to 
>the 
>iron for any reason to be stored without the tip?  Damage to the 
>barrell?
>
>Appreciate any insight I can get into my soldering problems.
>Dawn
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Dani,

If you don't mind a bit of speculation here I'll tell you what I THINK I
MAY know.... or something like that.

Firstly every flux I have ever seen is based on zinc chloride, the
chemical formula is ZnCl.  You can make pure ZnCl yourself.  Just buy a
bottle of Muriatic acid at the hardware store.  Muriatic acid is used to
clean all kinds of stuff including concrete and is really just a dilute
form of Hydrochloric acid (HCl).  Drop a chunk of zinc came into the acid
and wait.  (NEVER do this without loosening the cap on the bottle.)The
Zinc will fizz like Alka-Seltzer.  In time the Muriatic acid will change
from its' original yellow color to clear or white.  (If you added enough
zinc, that is.)  You now have zinc chloride.  Now if I remember my
chemistry, I think it's a salt at this point.  To get into the area of
pure speculation, I have noticed that as a bottle of tinned acid, (that's
what you call acid with zinc already disolved in it) sits on a shelf, it
turns back yellow in time and you need to add more zinc to neutralize it
again.  The laws of conservation of matter say that the original zinc
must still be there, but it now can disolve more.  I don't know if there
is some kind of buffering effect going on here or what, but I think the
implication is that even though it should be neutral, perhaps flux is
still acidic and therefore the cleaning is accomplished by the acid.

(If you like to play and don't mind breaking a few laws, scratch a hole
through the copper skin of a recent vintage penny to expose the zinc
inside.  Drop it into the acid and the inside will disolve, leaving you a
penny skin.)

As far as why cleaning by abraisive physical means does not work as well,
I think it is largely because no cleaning cloth can get to all the places
, on a molecular level that the flux can reach.  Kind of between
molecules and into microscopic pores and all that. 

Pure zinc chloride alone is not a great flux.  It spits and sputters
excessively boils off and dries rapidly and is generally not well
behaved, although some people use it and others sell it.  If you wantflux
to do it's best it must remain wet.  The next ingrediewnt you need to
make a good flux is something that doesn't dry up.....I may be using the
wrong term here, but I'll call it a wetting agent.  Paste flux uses a
petroleum jelly like product as the wetting agent, and while it is
probably the best at it's job, in my opinion it is not worth the
difficulties that are involved in trying to remove it.

The next best wetting agent I know of is glycerin.  In fact the best flux
you could ever want can be mixed up using just these ingredients.  One
part tinned Muriatic to seven parts glycerin.  That's it!  Easy to solder
with and easy to clean off.  The only drawback is that it is a bit smoky
and you need ventilation.  I used it for years until I lost my source for
industrial grade  glycerin and the pharmaceutical grade stuff is just too
expensive.

It is important that it stay wet because hot solder and copper oxidize
rapidly in air.  You can watch a hot iron turn colors right before your
eyes.  If everything is wet it is not exposed to the oxygen in the air
that would cause freshly cleaned copper foil to oxidize before solder
could even bond to it. (No I have never tried abraisive cleaning followed
by the wetting agent alone, but it would be a worthy experiment.)

I'm starting to loose track of where I'm going here, but hope some of
this makes sense.

Gary Dodge                     Dodge Studio Designs

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:03:15 -0500 "Michael J. Greer"
<GreerStudios@compuserve.com> writes:
>Thanks for the reply, Gary, but
>I want to know WHY.  What is
>happening on a chemical level?
>What is it about flux that does all
>these things, why can't I use some-
>thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that
>matter!)  Why do the same character-
>istics you describe apply to both
>copper foil and lead?  Why can't
>I "clean" my lead with a steel brush
>and have the solder adhere without
>flux?  It's more than just how clean
>the metal is.  There's a chemical
>reaction that occurs and I'd like to
>get an understandable explanation
>if that's possible.  =
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Dani Greer
>Greer Gallery & Studios
>http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/  =
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Michael J. Greer wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reply, Gary, but
> I want to know WHY.  What is
> happening on a chemical level?
> What is it about flux that does all
> these things, why can't I use some-
> thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that
> matter!)  Why do the same character-
> istics you describe apply to both
> copper foil and lead?  Why can't
> I "clean" my lead with a steel brush
> and have the solder adhere without
> flux?  It's more than just how clean
> the metal is.  There's a chemical
> reaction that occurs and I'd like to
> get an understandable explanation
> if that's possible.  =
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dani Greer
> Greer Gallery & Studios
> http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/  =
> 
> ----

Dear Dani,

Here's what I can give you on the subjest, although oversimplified:

"Flux is a substance usually with an acidic base which is used in
soldering, brazing, and welding to promote fusion of the metals.  The
acid in the composition of the flux will react with the lead or foil to
clean them and free them from oxides so that the fusion fo the different
metals can occur.  Flux will also change the rate of transfer of
particles across the surface of the metals.  This is what it causes the
phenomenon which Gary describes as a "reduction of surface tension on
the molten solder."  The dictionary definition for this is "FLUX - 
(Physics) The rate of flow of any fluid across a given area; (Metal) Any
substance that is mixed with a metal, etc. to facilitate its fusion;
also a substance used to render colours fusible in enameling and the
colouring of porcelain & glass." [excerpted from the "Shorter Oxford
English Dictionary", p723.]

If you require a more explicit description I would suggest a high school
physics teacher or college physics student perhaps could do it better
justice?

Hope this helps a bit anyhow...

Ciao for now!
V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
Roanoke Island, NC USA
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Michael J. Greer wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reply, Gary, but
> I want to know WHY.  What is
> happening on a chemical level?
> What is it about flux that does all
> these things, why can't I use some-
> thing else, say, butter (or Parkay for that
> matter!)  Why do the same character-
> istics you describe apply to both
> copper foil and lead?  Why can't
> I "clean" my lead with a steel brush
> and have the solder adhere without
> flux?  It's more than just how clean
> the metal is.  There's a chemical
> reaction that occurs and I'd like to
> get an understandable explanation
> if that's possible.  =
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dani Greer
> Greer Gallery & Studios
> http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/  =
> 
> ----

Dear Dani,

Here's what I can give you on the subjest, although oversimplified:

"Flux is a substance usually with an acidic base which is used in
soldering, brazing, and welding to promote fusion of the metals.  The
acid in the composition of the flux will react with the lead or foil to
clean them and free them from oxides so that the fusion fo the different
metals can occur.  Flux will also change the rate of transfer of
particles across the surface of the metals.  This is what it causes the
phenomenon which Gary describes as a "reduction of surface tension on
the molten solder."  The dictionary definition for this is "FLUX - 
(Physics) The rate of flow of any fluid across a given area; (Metal) Any
substance that is mixed with a metal, etc. to facilitate its fusion;
also a substance used to render colours fusible in enameling and the
colouring of porcelain & glass." [excerpted from the "Shorter Oxford
English Dictionary", p723.]

If you require a more explicit description I would suggest a high school
physics teacher or college physics student perhaps could do it better
justice?

Hope this helps a bit anyhow...

Ciao for now!
V T Phelps
Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd.
Roanoke Island, NC USA
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> Hey Albert, today all your E-Mail is coming through twice!
> Guess today I'm getting double what I'm not paying for!

I'm only sending it once, so there must be a hitch in the net's 
gitalong.

Albert

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> The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added
> Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer
> cannot (for whatever reason). 

Pegasus Mail handles those messages all right, too. MSIE can't do a 
lot of things, but it's free. Sometimes you get what you pay for. <s>

Albert
 

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Zane,
Is the hexagon hatchet iron heavy? or heavier than the standard iron?  I am
interested in purchasing one, but do not want any added weight.  Thanking you
in advance.
Lenore
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> MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until
> you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to
> spend the afternoon!

There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l McClenden's messages 
causing a system crash.  Seems the problem lies not with Mr. 
McClenden's mail but the readers experiencing the problem.  To date, 
I've had no difficulty reading his mail.  It seems that most of those 
experiencing the problems are using a Web Browser to read e-mail 
(Netscape and Internet Explorer) rather than a mail reader.  This may 
be the problem, not the originator of the message.  If any of you who 
are having problems reading or receiving e-mail, please feel free to 
contact me and I'll see if we can work it out.  Asking someone to 
refrain from giving input because 4 or 5 people can't filter and/or 
translate is not right, especially when that person has attempted to 
contribute to the conversations on the list.

MiChae'l, please keep contributing!  We will work out the bugs in 
those programs.



Don M. McDonald
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> Pegasus Mail handles those messages all right, too. MSIE can't do a 
> lot of things, but it's free. Sometimes you get what you pay for. <s>
> 
> Albert

Pegasus Mail is free, too. 

Don M. McDonald
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> From: glass@bungi.com
> To: Lsg
> Subject: Re: bevel overlay
> Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 4:32 PM
> 
> 
> Gloria... I have used this method with great success. When you foil the
two
> pieces you foil them together, as if they were just one thick piece. I'm
> not sure if I made that clear before. Burnish it real well. I use flux as
I
> would usually, heat too. Make sure that there are no, absolutely no
cracks
> or open seams in the foil. Try again. Good Luck.
> Michael
> 
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i don't know how many of you vistited the stained glass biz lately, but
htey have a link to some guy who built this globe
http://www.enol.com/~bbassett/globe/globepix.htm check it out. this is
definetly somthing you have to do with a grinder and foil.

---Mike Savad

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On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Albert Lewis wrote:

> 
> > The same guy crashed me - but I did find a way around it - I just added
> > Netscape and it is able to handle the mail whereas MS internet explorer
> > cannot (for whatever reason). 
> 
> Pegasus Mail handles those messages all right, too. MSIE can't do a 
> lot of things, but it's free. Sometimes you get what you pay for. <s>
> 
> Albert
>  

Or, sometimes you've got too many bells and whistles. I get all those
posts just fine with my Unix C shell account reading with PINE. You can't
get any cheaper than this text-only system. Right, Shirley? (one of our
resident ISPs who should be teased into making a statement right about
now)

Mary

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> Or, sometimes you've got too many bells and whistles. I get all those
> posts just fine with my Unix C shell account reading with PINE. You can't
> get any cheaper than this text-only system. 

Yeah, I still use Tapcis for Compuserve messaging. It's lightning 
fast and who needs all those graphics and sounds anyway? I go onto 
CIS to get info and info is what I get! A single keystroke gets all my 
messages, the headers from other messages that may be of interest to 
me, sends any outbound messages to the proper forums and logs the 
heck off! I love it. The CIS icon's sitting on my desktop, but I 
never, ever (well, hardly ever) use it.

Albert

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> Pegasus Mail is free, too. 

Isn't it shareware? Which (to me) means if you decide to keep it and 
use it, you should pay for it? Seems to me that I paid for mine, but 
maybe I'm thinking of some other software; I quite often try then 
buy.

Oh, you're right. I went to download.com just to check. It's free. 
Okay, some things are worth more than what you pay for them. <s>

Albert

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[In the message entitled "Re: Crash Cleared Again!" on Jan 11,  7:54, "Don McDonald" writes:]
> > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until
> > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to
> > spend the afternoon!
> 
> There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l McClenden's messages 
> causing a system crash.  Seems the problem lies not with Mr. 
> McClenden's mail but the readers experiencing the problem.  To date, 

> translate is not right, especially when that person has attempted to 
> contribute to the conversations on the list.
> 
> MiChae'l, please keep contributing!  We will work out the bugs in 
> those programs.

Just to let you all know,...she has unsubscribed and is deeply hurt
by the attitude of some people on this list.  Please let's try to be
a bit more considerate.


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I have not crashed.  But I have not tried to open any of his messages.. Is the crash occurring when you try to open his message.
Thanks
Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jean  Norenberg [SMTP:jean@lasercom.net]
Sent:	Sunday, January 11, 1998 12:19 AM
To:	glass@bungi.com
Subject:	Crash Cleared Again!


Dale (bankers@ictc.com), it worked, thanks for the suggestion.  Took up
most of the afternoon to get it all figured out, but it's done.  After
crashing again (with msg from Michae'l McClenden) I went to Yahoo mail, got
an address there and had my mail from this address picked up there, that
cleared MiChae'ls' message from here and I'm back in business. Thx again
Dale. Sure beats having to call the provider and tell them, 'Help, I did it
again'!



MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to Bungi until
you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! This is NOT a fun way to
spend the afternoon!
 
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I responded to a message yesterday from Michael.. (I typed Michael in my =
header, it could have been MiChael, did not save the message I replied =
to.. Trying to keep my mail uncluttered)..=20
Hope you are okay, I see no attachments to my reply to you.
Gloria

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jean  [SMTP:jean@lasercom.net]
Sent:	Saturday, January 10, 1998 9:11 PM
To:	glass@bungi.com
Subject:	Re: bevel overlay

my mail is jammed again! I will bet there is a message from MiChaell =
that
came in immediately following this one.


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From: Gloria & George <3hounds@usaor.net>
To: 'glass@bungi.com'
Subject: RE: bevel overlay
Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 7:51 AM



Michael,
I had tried that once, but I ended up with steam, maybe from the flux
between the pieces.. Is there  a method you use.. Or maybe just a little
bit of flux and I might have used too much.. I like the Glassmith =
Studio,
my favorite pattern books, I always thought they just made their own
bevels.. Glad to know  this  technique..=20
thanks up front,
Gloria

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Thank you Michael,
I think my problem was that I did not use 1/2 inch foil.. 
Does the 1/2 come only in a copper backings.. Is so, does it show with the bevels in the final piece if you are patining it in black..
Thanks
Gloria
-----Original Message-----
From:	Michael Minchelli [SMTP:lsg@jerseycape.com]
Sent:	Saturday, January 10, 1998 7:05 PM
To:	glass@bungi.com
Subject:	Re: bevel overlay

Gloria... I have used this method with great success. When you foil the two
pieces you foil them together, as if they were just one thick piece. I'm
not sure if I made that clear before. Burnish it real well. I use flux as I
would usually, heat too. Make sure that there are no, absolutely no cracks
or open seams in the foil. Try again. Good Luck.
Michael


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New kid on the block here-- Got a problem with my patina. After
carefully fluxing, soldering, cleaning and drying, my black patina looks
mottled brown or gray. What's wrong? Would appreciate any help.

Was recommended to subscribe to this list and since Friday I've become
addicted to it. It's really interesting to read about what everyone has
to say. Have learned several interesting things. This is a veritable
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Gary,

You didn't add to the confusion, you made some points very clear that I
think people are not aware of (restrictive rheostats vs. those which cycle
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> 
> ---Don McDonald  wrote:
> >
> > > MiChae'l McClenden... PLEASE do NOT send any more messages to
> Bungi until
> > > you find out why it causes so many of us to crash! 
> > 
> > There have only been 4 or 5 posts about MiChae'l >McClenden's
> messages 
> 
 Don, go back and check your mail again. There have been far more than
 ". . . 4  or  5 posts......."!  And,  I suspect that if everyone who
 has had the  problem were to write in we would find more than we could
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> 
> >. . .  especially when that person has attempted to 
> > contribute to the conversations on the list.
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> > Don M. McDonald
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 Which is what we are all TRYING to do, "contribute to the list".  It
 is unfortunate that we are being prevented from doing this by ONE
 persons mail program. Is it really fair to ask a dozen people to
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 I find it offensive that a couple of you  (who take this crashing so
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 hours (in some cases entire days!) with a crashed system!
 
 We, for the most part, are not computer wizards.  Crashes are a BIG
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I have now set up a mail account with YahooMail (FREE) just for my
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Have you ever used a barrel cutter vs. a pistol grip?  The Hexacon iron is
heavier but it doesn't feel heavier - it just feels "different" the same
way a pistol grip cutter feels different from a barrel cutter.  I don't
know what part of the country you are from, but if you have several
retailers I would call them and find out if any either carry the Hexacon or
have one that they use and find out if you can try it.

It is a larger outlay of money, but I think it is worth it (but I'm
prejudiced, of course, since we do a lot of commission work and the savings
in time [beading] and because it is a steady heat iron make it invaluable).

Regardless, I would definitely try it out first prior to purchasing - we
have some people who just don't like changing from whatever they were
trained on and the Hexacon does take some getting used to before it feesl
comfortable.

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> From: Yegnim <Yegnim@aol.com>
> To: glass@bungi.com
> Subject: Re: Weller 100
> Date: Sunday, January 11, 1998 7:07 AM
> 
> Zane,
> Is the hexagon hatchet iron heavy? or heavier than the standard iron?  I
am
> interested in purchasing one, but do not want any added weight.  Thanking
you
>