From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 03:32:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 03:31:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Frames Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 06:30:57 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov1.113057.0> References: <<199710291132.GAA08530@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am curious about how others frame their free-hanging panels. I've been buying 6ft long stained glass framing wood and cutting them to size or buying pre-cut pieces, but I'm getting bored with it. I've seen some pretty picture frames, but I like my backs to look just like my fronts. I've seen some really nice molding strips at the hardware store that I would love to frame my work. Any ideas? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 04:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:38:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Frames Date: Sat, 1 Nov 97 07:41:05 -0400 Message-ID: <199711011238.HAA20948@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Debbie, I myself like the glass framed in a narrow strip of zinc or copper. It seems to keep the glass with a light and airy look rather than "framed." But that's only my personal opinion. Suzanne >I am curious about how others frame their free-hanging panels. I've been >buying 6ft long stained glass framing wood and cutting them to size or >buying pre-cut pieces, but I'm getting bored with it. I've seen some >pretty picture frames, but I like my backs to look just like my fronts. >I've seen some really nice molding strips at the hardware store that I >would love to frame my work. Any ideas? > Suzanne Albright suzydotcom "A thing of beauty is a joy forever." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 07:13:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:12:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Frames Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:12:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.51222.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use Northern Hardwoods stained glass framing stock in the 6' lengths, or their pre-cut and metered stock. Very nice. But occasionally I reuse an old oak picture frame. I add a piece of molding from a home improvement center to finish off the back. It looks very nice. Just remember to remove all UPC code labels from the molding prior to installation. I made the mistake of leaving one on once, and it ended up showing through a yellow cathedral piece. Bummer. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 07:14:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:13:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cutting glare on old panel Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:12:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.51226.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about cutting down on the glare through an old panel. I will go with plating an extra layer of frosted glass on the back. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 07:22:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:21:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Frames Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:21:03 -0800 Message-ID: <199711011521.HAA08785@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I am curious about how others frame their free-hanging panels. I've been >buying 6ft long stained glass framing wood and cutting them to size or >buying pre-cut pieces, but I'm getting bored with it. I've seen some >pretty picture frames, but I like my backs to look just like my fronts. >I've seen some really nice molding strips at the hardware store that I >would love to frame my work. Any ideas? You could try leaving them with zinc U channel frames exposed instead of hiding them in the wood. It gives a nice sleek edge to the piece and leaves it is less defined than a wood frame. In that case, pay attention to how you design your border in as it's what the eye will see as the frame. Or on a piece without borders the zinc also can look great. Or how about doing some free-form panels...I've done a lot of those and either framed them in lead or left them exposed, depending on the piece. My storefront is in an artisan's co-op and we have some pretty awesome woodworkers. I've had wood milled up out of different woods, and with different profiles to keep things interesting. I'm also doing a bit of experimentation with driftwood and glass. Also see Bob Oddy's website...he's in this month's Common Ground magazine and was discussed a lot recently on the group (see the archives) as he uses bark sometimes for frames and interest in the panels. And just yesterday, I teamed up with a twig furniture maker to do a twig frame for a smallish piece. It looks great and we're going to do more collaboration on this idea. What about using black patina on the solder lines and finishing the piece in bright brass U channel...could give a nice modern look. My apologies to the purists on the group...I like to experiment. Let your imagination go hog wild and then figure out how to make it work!! Cheers Carol Swann Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 09:34:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:32:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!izzy3 From: izzy3@ix.netcom.com (Michael Smoucha) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Repairs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:19:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <199711011719.LAA28593@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >W >The right way: Remove all the glass and lead until you can get to the >broken piece. Replace it, and all the rest of the lead. Re-putty the >darn thing. You'll sleep better. If'n you have to have the money, then >there's an alternative. Don't foil it in! You take a utility knife with >a sharp blade and CAREFULLY cut away the top leaf of the lead that >surrounds the entire broken piece. >Then take the broken piece out. Now, using a razor blade, shave off the >top off the channel until it is flush with the glass. Are you with me so >far? If the panel has been grouted then make sure you remove all the >grout. Then cut a piece of glass to fit back in. Simple. Don't foil it! >And now you take a new piece of lead and using your trusty Stanton >Stretcher, stretch it. >Then you take the old utility knife with a sharp blade and CAREFULLY cut >one of the leafs off. >Bend the thing to fit where the old lead came off from. DON"T solder >anything yet. Then apply a smidgen of clear 100% silicone to the back of >the leaf of NEW lead. Stick it down. Resolder all the joints. Wait 24 >hours for the silicone to dry. >Then putty up. >I can't believe someone would want to foil in a piece for a leaded >repair. Granted, foil and lead can provide an interesting duo. But for a >repair? >Look-you get paid to do a job. Do it right. Believe me, a half way job >will come back to haunt you. If your customer doesn't want to pay you >for your time to do the job right then send'em lookin' else where. And >for all you kids just learnin'...there's lots a techniques, nothin' >wrong with'em, good to know'em, learn'em. As long as they lead to the >RIGHT results! Do that in everything you do. >Cody > >"One of the best things about doin' the job right is standing back and >saying to yourself..."Hey-I did the job right." > You can't be serious. Hope no one takes this advise. ms ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 09:35:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:34:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Frames Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:30:23, -0500 Message-ID: <199711011730.MAA14288@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Debbie wrote: I am curious about how others frame their free-hanging panels. I've been buying 6ft long stained glass framing wood and cutting them to size or buying pre-cut pieces, but I'm getting bored with it. I've seen some pretty picture frames, but I like my backs to look just like my fronts. I've seen some really nice molding strips at the hardware store that I would love to frame my work. Any ideas? Bob writes, I also use a lot of wood frame stock. IMO a free hanging panel needs to have special attention to ensure that the frame has adequate physical strength to fully support the panel through the years. Also of importance is that the panel present a framed appearance to the eye. Many of my panels are framed in 1/2" or 3/4" brass U-CAP. This is strong stuff & IMO beats zinc as an exposed frame material. The visual framing can be accomplished, as necessary, by a simple rather dark border. Better to strong than to weak, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (stained glass, beveling, fusing & bending) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 09:56:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rocketmail.com!s_pinn From: Stephen Pinn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Coffe Mug supplier Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov1.15042.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Happily Peggy, 1) First I must say that I am hardly an expert at this, I have gilded the background on 5 projects and it has worked well for me but I am sure that there are better methods than mine so I would appreciate anyones constructive input! 2) My reading about gilding regarding gilding indicates that one who is skilled can control luster, shine, gloss, etc. by the types of size the use. If anyone has an issue with my technique, please see 1) above! My requirements for gilding were fairly straight forward and helped me decide what products to use. 1) I wanted to use a waterbase size 2) I did not want to use rabbit skin glue (purely from a perspective of convenience) 3) I did not want to use a sealer coat 4) My work would not be located outdoors Using these requirements I chose Rolco Aquasize as my sizing solution (Carlstadt NJ) 22 to 25 karat gold leaf Peggy as I'm sure you know the surfaces of material's like granite are porous and tend to suck up liquids (such as the gild size). For this reason I often use 2 coats of sizing. On glass 1 coat is sufficient. So here goes. 1) Blast away 2) If you wish, remove the resist. If you are using photoresist, remove it now as using water to remove the resist in later steps will wash away the sizing 3) Using an appropriate artist brush apply size to the area you wish to gild and allow the size to set. 4) Apply a second coat of size and allow to set 5) Remove the resist (if you haven't already) 6) Gild using gold leaf, apply with artist brushes, I use fairly short bristle fairly stiff brushes to lay in the leaf. 7) Admire with great pride! Some books I found informative: A Simple Guide to Gold Leafing by Lou Reed (615-865-2666) Gold Leaf Techniques 3rd ed. by Kent H. Smith ST Publications (513-421-2050) Hope this helps and give it a try. One technique I would love to learn (if I had any sense of painting) would be to apply colors to multi-level glass carving. Take care and have fun - Steve On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:18:25 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Hi Steve: Gilding the background? Can you tell us how you do this? I >have been playing around with sand etching but haven't done any gilding >yet. I am still in the practice stage of multi-carving. PJ > >---- _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 11:05:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rocketmail.com!s_pinn From: Stephen Pinn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Coffe Mug supplier Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov1.15042.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Happily Peggy, 1) First I must say that I am hardly an expert at this, I have gilded the background on 5 projects and it has worked well for me but I am sure that there are better methods than mine so I would appreciate anyones constructive input! 2) My reading about gilding regarding gilding indicates that one who is skilled can control luster, shine, gloss, etc. by the types of size the use. If anyone has an issue with my technique, please see 1) above! My requirements for gilding were fairly straight forward and helped me decide what products to use. 1) I wanted to use a waterbase size 2) I did not want to use rabbit skin glue (purely from a perspective of convenience) 3) I did not want to use a sealer coat 4) My work would not be located outdoors Using these requirements I chose Rolco Aquasize as my sizing solution (Carlstadt NJ) 22 to 25 karat gold leaf Peggy as I'm sure you know the surfaces of material's like granite are porous and tend to suck up liquids (such as the gild size). For this reason I often use 2 coats of sizing. On glass 1 coat is sufficient. So here goes. 1) Blast away 2) If you wish, remove the resist. If you are using photoresist, remove it now as using water to remove the resist in later steps will wash away the sizing 3) Using an appropriate artist brush apply size to the area you wish to gild and allow the size to set. 4) Apply a second coat of size and allow to set 5) Remove the resist (if you haven't already) 6) Gild using gold leaf, apply with artist brushes, I use fairly short bristle fairly stiff brushes to lay in the leaf. 7) Admire with great pride! Some books I found informative: A Simple Guide to Gold Leafing by Lou Reed (615-865-2666) Gold Leaf Techniques 3rd ed. by Kent H. Smith ST Publications (513-421-2050) Hope this helps and give it a try. One technique I would love to learn (if I had any sense of painting) would be to apply colors to multi-level glass carving. Take care and have fun - Steve On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:18:25 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Hi Steve: Gilding the background? Can you tell us how you do this? I >have been playing around with sand etching but haven't done any gilding >yet. I am still in the practice stage of multi-carving. PJ > >---- _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 11:46:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:45:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 2 hours - 2 pieces Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 14:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.9442.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19971101034427.00694628@primary.matnet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tyler, Roger D. wrote: > > Mike, what do you do that makes your foil stick so tight? We frequently have trouble with our foil coming loose (which we find while polishing the piece). I have been told that is frequently caused by too hot an iron. Any ideas?? > > Rojean > rogert@matnet.com > > -------------- > At 05:27 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: > >daver!telusplanet.net!dwightj wrote: > >> > >> Dear Scott and all, > >> > >> The project that I am working on dictates whether or not I cut all the > >> pieces at once. If I am foiling, a cut only a few pieces at a time, as I am > >> such a perfectionist. If I am leading, I cut the whole works out, as for > >> some strange reason, I find lead more forgiving. > >> > >> I foil by hand because I have heard that the foilers are not as accurate. > >> Do any of you, who use foilers, find this not to be the case? I would sure > >> be open to investing in one, as I find this part of the job extremely boring. > >> > >> Sincerely, Lorna > >> > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > >i would'nt mind having one. but i found that i'm pretty fast when it > >comes to foiling. i have no idea how many miles i've foil i've used. i > >would probably use it for boxes and such. large enough pieces with easy > >curves. i would still rub it down by hand, nothing will really replace > >that. > > > >when i'm done foiling, the only way to remove it is to use a razor blade > >on all 3 sides. even then it's hard to do. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making > >Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain > >Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, > >Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well. 1. all my glass is ground. 2. everything is washed throughly and dried. 3. when i foil i try not to touch the sticky side too much. and my hands she free of any oils and lotions. 4. after pressing down, i rub it with the fid, fir the front, then the back, then the edge. if the iron is too hot some un-gluing can happen. but mostly by the edges. if the glass is to thick and the foil to narrow the foil can remove it self in the polishing process. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 11:48:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:47:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Frames Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 14:45:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.94522.0> References: <<1997Nov1.113057.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk debbiesgarden@juno.com wrote: > > I am curious about how others frame their free-hanging panels. I've been > buying 6ft long stained glass framing wood and cutting them to size or > buying pre-cut pieces, but I'm getting bored with it. I've seen some > pretty picture frames, but I like my backs to look just like my fronts. > I've seen some really nice molding strips at the hardware store that I > would love to frame my work. Any ideas? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass on my japanese garden panel, i used zinc border came. though it was a pain to do i smeared solder on the surface of the came giving it a rough bark texture. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 11:55:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 11:54:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting glare on old panel Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 14:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.94645.0> References: <<1997Nov1.51226.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: > > Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry about > cutting down on the glare through an old panel. > I will go with plating an extra layer of frosted glass > on the back. > > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass make sure when you do put it in, the textured side goes on the inside. if it's facing out it will get really dirty really quickly and be next to impossible to clean. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 13:31:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:30:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: problem store Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:30:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971101163215.239728a0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If he does not hear from you how you feel about his service, he will not have an opportunity to make it "right"... What he knows now is that he sold a dozen pieces of zinc to you .... Sounds like his shop is more convienient for you and has a better selection plus he knows a lot about glass. These are all good! No sense making it harder on yourself .... Before I spent the money on the zinc, I think I might have asked again about the glass. If still not satisfied with the response, I would buy the zinc and glass elsewhere. At 11:27 AM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote: >Ok who was the one that e-mailed me private a while back when I posted that >my local store (ok its 35 miles away) was tooo "friendly" (and not the nice >kind if you don't get my meaning) but his shop is HUGE and he knows a lot >about glass. > Well here is today's experience with him.... I was looking for a piece of >glass to repair a window, the window is an old piece but the glass that was >broken looked like fairly new glass so I started my hunt on a name for it >before I had to do major changes in the window to replace with something >else. I found the glass in Delphi's catolog and had a name for it. Polka >Dot, its a clear texture, no company name. So I called one shop that I had >been to once in another direction, (also about 35 miles away) its a much >smaller shop but very nice people there and helpful. I discribed the glass to >her and she said she thinks she had some before but not now and she would be >going to Houston soon if I wanted her to get some bring a sample. again good >people. > but I thought, well I am going in the direction of the first shop and he >already has a huge selection maybe I will try there so to make it easier. I >brought in the piece and he said he thought he might have something similar >but without the tiny texture on it. I said let me look at it, it may work >anyway. I then (stupid me) told him that Delphi had called it Polka Dot and >its new to them but maybe not a new glass. The minute I said that he stopped >looking and told me that I should just get it from them. > Maybe I am wrong but I thought I would give local businesses my business >if I could, and was trying to be a little educated when asking for glass . I >bought a dozen pieces of zinc came and left. > As I was driving back I realized that the difference in price from the >catolog and his I could have had it shipped including the shipping crate and >costs and still been ahead. I don't need his attitude and from now on I will >either buy from the shop in the other direction or order through the mail ( >ordering over the web still has me a little scared) > Put my nose on straight if I am wrong I WANT to have a good working >relationship with a shop I guess his just isn't doing it. The other shop I >found is one I will go to now but it is in a direction I rarely go and >wouldn't be able to go there often except to buy glass and supplies >deb > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 13:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:37:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SSparks99 From: SSparks99@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Two questions Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:37:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov1.113716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LM: I am new to this group, a beginner stained glass hobbyist and I have only finished two pieces. The second finshed piece was with copper foil. Unfortunately, after I finished the piece I realized that through the clear glass I used you could see the underneath of the foil. Just thought you might like to hear a tip - even tho I am VERY new at this. I learned a lesson. ;) Keli V ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 13:49:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:48:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.2675C320" Subject: RE: Frames Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:51:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.45136.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.2675C320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: BOB DUCHESNEAU [SMTP:YWAH36A@prodigy.com] Deb, I do much as Bob. The size and shape of a piece and the needs of the = client determine my approach.=20 1. On small sun catchers I use 18-16 gauge wire loops attached to a = internal lead line, the larger the sun catcher, the deeper the wire = attachment,=20 2. On small windows I run 14 gauge wire around the perimeter (starting = and ending at the bottom) with loops at internal lead line points. 3. On small to medium size pieces I use metal U came and drill through = the outer portion of the came and solder a double loop of 14 gauge wire = through the hole. 4. On medium to large pieces I buy 2x2 finished wood (cedar or oak is = my preference), use a thin kerf table saw to remove about a 1" x1/2" = (1/4" for narrower U came) strip. I then cut 1/4" off the 1" portion of = the strip removed and use this as the stop trim. The advantage of this = method is that if this frame is made to the size of the window that it = is going into, it can be easily be removed if the owner sells the house = to take with them. I generally discourage the client from taking a = window with them as stained glass improves the salability of the house = many times the worth of the stained glass piece, and they can easily = afford to get another one made because of this. 5. Free hanging larger non-square pieces present a greater problem. = Plywood can be cut to shape and paint finished or a professional = woodworker can make one out of hardwood for you (add to price) 6. To add to an existing window, use a 1/2' x-section trim as a spacer = from the existing window, place your window centering with a small dab = of hot glue, silicone, or non-adhesive rubber, plastic, or wood spacers. 7. Allow 1/16th to 1/8th " space around the window for movement, don't = make the mistake of fitting it tight! 8. Use caution by using a small headed hammer, nail set, and something = between the glass and the nail that you are putting in the trim (like = 1/8th " ply), I have an air brad nailer and find this to be the ultimate = in placing nails. Debbie wrote: I am curious about how others frame their free-hanging panels Bob writes, I also use a lot of wood frame stock. IMO a free hanging panel=20 needs to have special attention to ensure that the frame has adequate=20 physical strength to fully support the panel through the years. Also=20 of importance is that the panel present a framed appearance to the=20 eye. Many of my panels are framed in 1/2" or 3/4" brass U-CAP. This=20 is strong stuff & IMO beats zinc as an exposed frame material. The=20 visual framing can be accomplished, as necessary, by a simple rather=20 dark border. 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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:42:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.54228.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.3111D3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand the need of those who do not have the artistic ability to = do original work to "need " pattern archives ( there ARE copious = quantities of books out there with every conceivable level of glass = work). BUT those of us who have the ability usually have a "need" to be = paid for our work (it has taken us many years of practice and/or = schooling to get to this point) which may be the reason that not many = participated the last time this was tried. Now as a teacher, I do wish = to help those working for their own enjoyment and not for profit, and = would be willing to contribute, but for those wishing to profit from the = work of others there is the rule of copyright. Fair is fair, and fear = not, I would pursue anyone using my designs for profit without my = written permission (and usually remuneration). I hope I do not seem too = hard, but my bread and butter comes from my time in designing. I hope I = am not the only one feeling this way about archives. Hi all, >> I for one would LOVE a pattern archive....if someone could get this = goin' >> again, I'm there!!! Stained Glass Biz would be happy to gather patterns from everyone and = create an online archive. Storing the patterns is no problem, we'll need = either scans or photocopies (sent to us to scan). If you're interested, let's = get the ball rolling! 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AAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEA AAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAKoZ ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.3111D3A0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 13:59:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:59:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.2BAB6160" Subject: RE: Repairs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.51819.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.2BAB6160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cody (I think) said >>The right way..... cut away the top leaf of the lead that >surrounds the entire broken piece.....Then apply a smidgen of clear = 100%=20 >Then putty up. >I can't believe someone would want to foil in a piece = for a leaded >repair. Granted, foil and lead can provide an interesting duo. But for = a >repair? >Look-you get paid to do a job. Do it right>" One of the best = things=20 about doin' the job right is standing back and >saying to = yourself..."Hey-I did the job right."> Michael Smoucha said You can't be serious. Hope no one takes this advise. My opinion is Right way Cody?, I have my doubts, but each to their own. Mine the right = way? I don't know, but it is just about as good as the original as I can = see, other than deconstruction and rebuilding (which for other than = restoration does not justify the time). I remove the offending piece of = glass, remove the old lead that surrounded the removed piece, cut a new = piece just ever so slightly smaller than the new came permits. I then = cut the came to surround the new piece, using the fid to open it wider = than normal, place the new came into place without soldering, then with = all four hands, angle the came outwards from the window and fit the new = piece in place. I then bend the new came back to it's normal opening, = solder and putty. Voila, a little sweat and a job indistinguishable = visually and structurally from the original. It does take a little = practice, but what the hey, "I did the job right" Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.2BAB6160 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiwVAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAgAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNv bQBTTVRQAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAEAAA AGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAASAAAAJ2dsYXNzQGJ1bmdp LmNvbScAAAACAQswAQAAABUAAABTTVRQOkdMQVNTQEJVTkdJLkNPTQAAAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoB AAAAHgD2XwEAAAAQAAAAZ2xhc3NAYnVuZ2kuY29tAAIB918BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1u 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id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:05:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SSparks99 From: SSparks99@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Different Glass Types Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:04:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov1.12446.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Since I am new to this group . . . . I have another question - ONLY ONE this time - Albert indicated I needed to be a little less demanding. Anyway - as I read the posts, I see that all kinds of glass names are being thrown around. My question: Because there are names like: Scott Glass, Chicago ARt Glass, Advance Opal Glass, Vietnamese Glass; Canadian Art Glass, Royal City Glass, Merry Go Round Glass, Fisher Flashed Glass , Ruth Glass and Irridescent Glass - to name a few - does this mean that each and every one of these glasses have something in particular that separates the quality and appearance - or JUST THAT there are so many names? Just wondering - and I'm being polite too. Keli ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 14:21:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:21:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Different Glass Types Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.121922.0> References: <<1997Nov1.12446.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SSparks99@aol.com wrote: > > Since I am new to this group . . . . I have another question - ONLY ONE this > time - Albert indicated I needed to be a little less demanding. > > Anyway - as I read the posts, I see that all kinds of glass names are being > thrown around. > > My question: Because there are names like: Scott Glass, Chicago ARt Glass, > Advance Opal Glass, Vietnamese Glass; Canadian Art Glass, Royal City Glass, > Merry Go Round Glass, Fisher Flashed Glass , Ruth Glass and Irridescent Glass > - to name a few - does this mean that each and every one of these glasses > have something in particular that separates the quality and appearance - or > JUST THAT there are so many names? > > Just wondering - and I'm being polite too. > > Keli > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass most of the names you listed are brand names, irridescent, however, is a type. go to my glass type page at http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 (in the tips section, i think). i listed all the popular types of glass (the ones i can get my hands on anyway), and what they look like. like for example chicago art glass, is well, art glass. tiffany used a glass like that, it has mottles, etc in the colors. it gives a more natural, realistic look to the glass. spectrum on the other hand is more for basic work. work that does'nt require depth, shadows, etc. i use it alot for my boxes, mainly becuase i can always kind the same color that matches. and the glass is fairly uniform in thickness. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 15:53:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:53:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Different Glass Types Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.13520.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Keli- Most of the names you mentioned are actually glass companies (some now defunct) = that made various glasses such as cathedrals, opalescents, irridescents, etc. It does get rather confusing! And each of those companies made glass that probab= ly had a certain "look" to it. When you say "Kokomo" to an old glass dawg, he c= an picture = the exact glass in his mind. In fact, Kokomo has a pretty decent video o= ut showing how they make their glass... it's quite well done - several glass shops i= n our area rent it out and perhaps one in your area does, too. The best way to get = to know the hundreds of different glasses readily available is to use them - and when= you buy them, be sure and get the names. Your supplier should be able to tell yo= u that you're buying, for example, Spectrum (company) waterglass (name of glass) or Wissmach (company) amber granite (type of glass). Once you've been at it= long enough, you'll even be = able to rattle off the stock numbers! Hope I haven't confused the issue even more! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 15:53:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:53:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: Repairs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.13522.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn - I think the key word is "solder" (the came in place) NOT silicone! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 16:04:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Different Glass Types Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:55:27, -0500 Message-ID: <199711012255.RAA21850@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Keli wrote, in part: My question: Because there are names like: Scott Glass, Chicago ARt Glass, Advance Opal Glass, Vietnamese Glass; Canadian Art Glass, Royal City Glass, Merry Go Round Glass, Fisher Flashed Glass , Ruth Glass and Irridescent Glass - to name a few - does this mean that each and every one of these glasses have something in particular that separates the quality and appearance - or JUST THAT there are so many names? Just wondering - and I'm being polite too. Keli Bob writes, in full, Welcome to the world of glass. Each manafacturers glass is different, most noticable in technique, texture and finish. If it is any consultation to you, there are several glasses listed above that I never heard of. Three or four of my favorites are missing, such as Spectrum, Desag, ST. Just, Weishmach, etc. Yes this is confusing at first and perhaps last. If you have a glass shop handy you can either see or ask the names. Have the seller mark the names on the glass you buy. Better yet get a catalog number if available. Even the largest of wholesalers can not carry but a fraction of all the glass available in the world. Hollanders (Los Angeles) is perhaps the largest wholesaler and they freely state that they carry a selection and not a full product line from the glass makers they deal with. This is good for inventory control but can leave one hanging when a repair demands the exact color and texture as produced by ABC product #XXX. If you can stand a little more confusion, there are many glasses that vary quite a lot in a given sheet. Can make for a problem but sometimes brings a cry of thanks when just the right everything comes together and you have your hands on it. For anyone interested I came by 22 sheets of Ruth Glass a few years ago. Just wonderful stuff but all gone now. I understand they went out of business about 25 years ago and were the only hand rolled glass makers ever in San Diego County, CA. My glass habit could send me to the poor house, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (stained glass, beveling, fusing & bending) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 18:21:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:20:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE6F2.1BBBD520" Subject: RE: Repairs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:03:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.10319.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6F2.1BBBD520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer [SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 3:52 PM To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Repairs Glenn - I think the key word is "solder" (the came in place) NOT silicone! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ Dani I checked CODY'S original letter and I give you the quote from him = (10/27/97 Cody "The Glass Guru" subject: Repairs " Bend the thing to fit where the old lead came off from. DON"T solder = anything yet. Then apply a smidgen of clear 100% silicone to the back of = the leaf of NEW lead. Stick it down. Re-solder all the joints. Wait 24 = hours for the silicone to dry." The only time in MY letters that I mentioned silicone was in the one = regarding framing "6. To add to an existing window, use a 1/2' x-section trim as a spacer = from the existing window, place your window centering with a small dab = of hot glue, silicone, or non-adhesive rubber, plastic, or wood = spacers." =20 This of course refers to the window in the frame and not repairs (and in = this case I did mean silicone, and I did mean a small dab) but I must = admit that I forgot to add ->=20 " and then place the finishing trim around the perimeter of the stained = glass window."=20 I hope this clears up any misunderstanding that you may have had re = silicone and my use of it. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer [SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 3:52 PM To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Subject: Different Glass Types Hi Keli- Kokomo has a pretty decent video out showing how they make their = glass... it's quite well done - several glass shops in our area rent it = out and perhaps one in your area does, too Dani Dani I would like more info on this video (for my classes), where can one buy = this video. 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via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:02:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Repairs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:02:10 -0800 Message-ID: <199711020302.TAA20083@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Everybody missed the boat. I still stand by doin' something the right way. Do I silicone anything-NO. Scabing something together? Well if you want to do it that way go ahead. Now I know who does things that way. Somebody said something about bending the leaf up...how about if your usin' 1/8" HR or 3/16" HR?? I might understand flat H. So how you gonna repair a zinc or brass work? Nobody seemed to want to comment on doin' it the right way! Somebody else mentioned that scabbin" was to save time. Who's time? As to the Kokoma video...great video. It's been out for a several years now. Cody "Cease seeing with the mind, and see with the vital spirit." -Chuang Tzu The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 19:22:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:22:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: softcom.net!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Different Glass Types Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 19:22:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.112237.0> References: <<199711012255.RAA21850@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk More like16 years ago I do believe. > > > For anyone interested I came by 22 sheets of Ruth Glass a few years > ago. Just wonderful stuff but all gone now. I understand they went > out of business about 25 years ago and were the only hand rolled > glass makers ever in San Diego County, CA. > My glass habit could send me to the poor house, Bob ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 1 20:35:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE704.E973D820" Subject: RE: Pricing Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:29:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.122930.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE704.E973D820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer [SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 5:03 PM To: All Subject: Pricing Thanks to Mike Peck for his feedback on pricing. We're right in the=20 Same ball park as you are. Glenn's pricing seemed a little low to me, = too,=20 But I guess it just depends on where you're located and what your market = will bear Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Well now, pricing Right now I am working on a window, 362pcs 22 bevels, and 3 sandblasted = pieces, 8.4 sq. ft.. As I said when I gave my formula for pricing, the = prices there were from a few years ago. Today, for this piece which is = fairly complex, I would be charging $70/sq. ft., $5/sq. ft., plus the = cost of the bevels, and the fee for sandblasting and designing. This = comes to about $3042.71, or about $362/sq. ft.. This does not seem to me = to be low, but maybe I SHOULD charge more if you think the market will = bear it. Maybe I should consider selling in a different region, when I = get my web page up this may be the answer to getting more money for my = work. Thanks for the input. 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Original text follows: --------------------- --simple boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ACSII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from dns2.anl.gov by smtplink.dis.anl.gov (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.01.01) ; Sat, 01 Nov 97 23:03:17 -0600 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by dns2.anl.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id XAA15227 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:01:55 -0600 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE704.E973D820" Subject: RE: Pricing Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:29:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.122930.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE704.E973D820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer [SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 5:03 PM To: All Subject: Pricing Thanks to Mike Peck for his feedback on pricing. We're right in the=20 Same ball park as you are. Glenn's pricing seemed a little low to me, = too,=20 But I guess it just depends on where you're located and what your market = will bear Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Well now, pricing Right now I am working on a window, 362pcs 22 bevels, and 3 sandblasted = pieces, 8.4 sq. ft.. As I said when I gave my formula for pricing, the = prices there were from a few years ago. Today, for this piece which is = fairly complex, I would be charging $70/sq. ft., $5/sq. ft., plus the = cost of the bevels, and the fee for sandblasting and designing. This = comes to about $3042.71, or about $362/sq. ft.. This does not seem to me = to be low, but maybe I SHOULD charge more if you think the market will = bear it. Maybe I should consider selling in a different region, when I = get my web page up this may be the answer to getting more money for my = work. Thanks for the input. 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boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE70C.F73C9DE0" Subject: RE: Repairs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:27:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.132722.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE70C.F73C9DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: GlassGuru@webtv.net [SMTP:GlassGuru@webtv.net] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 7:02 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Repairs Everybody missed the boat. I still stand by doin' something the right way. Do I silicone anything-NO. Scabing something together? Well if you want to do it that way go ahead. Now I know who does things that way. Somebody said something about bending the leaf up...how about if your usin' 1/8" HR or 3/16" HR?? I might understand flat H.=20 So how you gonna repair a zinc or brass work? Nobody seemed to want to comment on doin' it the right way! Somebody else mentioned that scabbin" was to save time. Who's time? As to the Kokoma video...great video. It's been out for a several years now. Cody "Cease seeing with the mind, and see with the vital spirit." -Chuang Tzu The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- Well, I can see that this talk about solder and broken glass is gonna = lead to repairs. Basically it's this way. There is only two ways to do any sort of = repair. The right way, and the wrong way. Anybody who takes the shortcut = is either trying to impress the other person or trying to make a fast = buck. Copper foil seems the easiest and it sounds like most seem to get = the general idea. However, lead is a different tune. You don't wrap duct = tape around that leaky radiator hose and head off across the desert. So = why would anyone foil a piece of glass into a leaded panel for a repair? = The right way: Remove all the glass and lead until you can get to the = broken piece. Replace it, and all the rest of the lead. Re-putty the = darn thing. You'll sleep better. If'n you have to have the money, then = there's an alternative. Don't foil it in! You take a utility knife with = a sharp blade and CAREFULLY cut away the top leaf of the lead that = surrounds the entire broken piece. Then take the broken piece out. Now, using a razor blade, shave off the = top off the channel until it is flush with the glass. Are you with me so = far? If the panel has been grouted then make sure you remove all the = grout. Then cut a piece of glass to fit back in. Simple. Don't foil it! = And now you take a new piece of lead and using your trusty Stanton = Stretcher, stretch it. Then you take the old utility knife with a sharp blade and CAREFULLY cut = one of the leafs off. Bend the thing to fit where the old lead came off from. DON"T solder = anything yet. Then apply a smidgen of clear 100% silicone to the back of = the leaf of NEW lead. Stick it down. Resolder all the joints. Wait 24 = hours for the silicone to dry. Then putty up. I can't believe someone would want to foil in a piece for a leaded = repair. Granted, foil and lead can provide an interesting duo. But for a = repair? Look-you get paid to do a job. Do it right. Believe me, a half way job = will come back to haunt you. If your customer doesn't want to pay you = for your time to do the job right then send'em lookin' else where. And = for all you kids just learnin'...there's lots a techniques, nothin' = wrong with'em, good to know'em, learn'em. As long as they lead to the = RIGHT results! Do that in everything you do. Cody "One of the best things about doin' the job right is standing back and = saying to yourself..."Hey-I did the job right." The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: Cody Both of these letters were apparently sent by you and I am a little = confused by the apparent contradiction. Perhaps you can clarify, things = aren't always clear in E mail.=20 As for repairing metal came I have yet to find a more satisfactory way = of repairing other than from the outside inward, and I charge depending = on how far in the broke piece is from the edge. As for 1/8 or 3/16 HR, the channel is not deep enough to require bending = and the free play of the unsoldered came is enough in most cases (not = all), to allow the replacement piece to snap in. If this does not work = then I usually go in from the edge and take out the pieces necessary to = replace the broken piece, which can be costly to the client. I am certainly interested in quality work and always have an ear open to = learn and keep a record of many of the bungi letters, as I do like to do = the job correctly. 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Message-ID: <1997Nov1.13331.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Greer [SMTP:GreerStudios@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 5:03 PM To: All Subject: Pricing Thanks to Mike Peck for his feedback on pricing. We're right in the=20 Same ball park as you are. Glenn's pricing seemed a little low to me, = too,=20 But I guess it just depends on where you're located and what your market = will bear Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios Well now, pricing Right now I am working on a window, 362pcs 22 bevels, and 3 sandblasted = pieces, 8.4 sq. ft.. As I said when I gave my formula for pricing, the = prices there were from a few years ago. Today, for this piece which is = fairly complex, I would be charging $70/sq. ft., $5/sq. ft., plus the = cost of the bevels, and the fee for sandblasting and designing. This = comes to about $3042.71, or about $362/sq. ft.. This does not seem to me = to be low, but maybe I SHOULD charge more if you think the market will = bear it. Maybe I should consider selling in a different region, when I = get my web page up this may be the answer to getting more money for my = work. Thanks for the input. Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 02:16:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Two questions Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:15:11 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.101511.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Keli, At 16:37 01/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >I am new to this group, a beginner stained glass hobbyist and I have only >finished two pieces. The second finshed piece was with copper foil. > Unfortunately, after I finished the piece I realized that through the clear >glass I used you could see the underneath of the foil. You can disguise the copper showthrough by finishing off a piece with one of the copper patinas. If you've already patina-d it black however you will have to remelt all the solder lines before applying copper patina. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 06:19:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:19:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ItsAlison From: ItsAlison@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: to pj and Paul on your Website and your work Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov2.41742.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just visited your web site and was impressed by your beautiful work. I recently attended a wedding at M'kor Shalom and i was just thunderstruck by the magnificent stained glass windows........the colors were breathtaking! I have never before seen such beautiful use of color and design! Imagine finding out that it was done by one of our Bungi contributors.....just wish everyone here could see the windows! They are magnificent !! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 06:43:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:43:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Two questions Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:43:21 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Two questions" on Nov 2, 10:15, "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" writes:] > > Keli, At 16:37 01/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >I am new to this group, a beginner stained glass hobbyist and I have only > >finished two pieces. The second finshed piece was with copper foil. > > Unfortunately, after I finished the piece I realized that through the clear > >glass I used you could see the underneath of the foil. If you are leaving solder seams silver,...you can use silver backed copper foil. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 10:29:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:27:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Repairs Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:16:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971102171641.00690590@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Fortunately there is more than one way to do any job! I, for one, am greatful to ALL the bungi participants for sharing there ideas. While there may be times when we need 'perfection' there are certainly as many (maybe more!) times when we need and/or want to save the day, and our sanity, by a 'quick fix'. Thanks to those who have shared their expertiese on the many ways of doing a job. Rojean ------------- At 09:27 PM 11/1/97 -0800, you wrote: > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE70C.F73C9DE0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: GlassGuru@webtv.net [SMTP:GlassGuru@webtv.net] >Sent: Saturday, November 01, 1997 7:02 PM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Repairs > >Everybody missed the boat. I still stand by doin' something the right >way. Do I silicone anything-NO. Scabing something together? Well if you >want to do it that way go ahead. Now I know who does things that way. >Somebody said something about bending the leaf up...how about if your >usin' 1/8" HR or 3/16" HR?? I might understand flat H.=20 >So how you gonna repair a zinc or brass work? >Nobody seemed to want to comment on doin' it the right way! >Somebody else mentioned that scabbin" was to save time. Who's time? >As to the Kokoma video...great video. It's been out for a several years >now. >Cody > >"Cease seeing with the mind, >and see with the vital spirit." -Chuang Tzu > >The "GlassGuru" >The Ralph Nader of Glass >Crusader of truths & commentary. >".....and a really neat guy!" >See me at: >www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru >---- >Well, I can see that this talk about solder and broken glass is gonna = >lead to repairs. >Basically it's this way. There is only two ways to do any sort of = >repair. The right way, and the wrong way. Anybody who takes the shortcut = >is either trying to impress the other person or trying to make a fast = >buck. Copper foil seems the easiest and it sounds like most seem to get = >the general idea. However, lead is a different tune. You don't wrap duct = >tape around that leaky radiator hose and head off across the desert. So = >why would anyone foil a piece of glass into a leaded panel for a repair? = > The right way: Remove all the glass and lead until you can get to the = >broken piece. Replace it, and all the rest of the lead. Re-putty the = >darn thing. You'll sleep better. If'n you have to have the money, then = >there's an alternative. Don't foil it in! You take a utility knife with = >a sharp blade and CAREFULLY cut away the top leaf of the lead that = >surrounds the entire broken piece. >Then take the broken piece out. Now, using a razor blade, shave off the = >top off the channel until it is flush with the glass. Are you with me so = >far? If the panel has been grouted then make sure you remove all the = >grout. Then cut a piece of glass to fit back in. Simple. Don't foil it! = >And now you take a new piece of lead and using your trusty Stanton = >Stretcher, stretch it. >Then you take the old utility knife with a sharp blade and CAREFULLY cut = >one of the leafs off. >Bend the thing to fit where the old lead came off from. DON"T solder = >anything yet. Then apply a smidgen of clear 100% silicone to the back of = >the leaf of NEW lead. Stick it down. Resolder all the joints. Wait 24 = >hours for the silicone to dry. >Then putty up. >I can't believe someone would want to foil in a piece for a leaded = >repair. Granted, foil and lead can provide an interesting duo. But for a = >repair? >Look-you get paid to do a job. Do it right. Believe me, a half way job = >will come back to haunt you. If your customer doesn't want to pay you = >for your time to do the job right then send'em lookin' else where. And = >for all you kids just learnin'...there's lots a techniques, nothin' = >wrong with'em, good to know'em, learn'em. As long as they lead to the = >RIGHT results! Do that in everything you do. >Cody >"One of the best things about doin' the job right is standing back and = >saying to yourself..."Hey-I did the job right." >The "GlassGuru" >The Ralph Nader of Glass >Crusader of truths & commentary. >".....and a really neat guy!" >See me at: > >Cody >Both of these letters were apparently sent by you and I am a little = >confused by the apparent contradiction. Perhaps you can clarify, things = >aren't always clear in E mail.=20 >As for repairing metal came I have yet to find a more satisfactory way = >of repairing other than from the outside inward, and I charge depending = >on how far in the broke piece is from the edge. >As for 1/8 or 3/16 HR, the channel is not deep enough to require bending = >and the free play of the unsoldered came is enough in most cases (not = >all), to allow the replacement piece to snap in. If this does not work = >then I usually go in from the edge and take out the pieces necessary to = >replace the broken piece, which can be costly to the client. >I am certainly interested in quality work and always have an ear open to = >learn and keep a record of many of the bungi letters, as I do like to do = >the job correctly. > >Glenn Spicer >The Studio Metamorphoses > > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE70C.F73C9DE0 >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > >eJ8+IiEFAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy >b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAgAEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL >AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAPQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNv >bQBTTVRQAGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAEAAA >AGdsYXNzQGJ1bmdpLmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAASAAAAJ2dsYXNzQGJ1bmdp >LmNvbScAAAACAQswAQAAABUAAABTTVRQOkdMQVNTQEJVTkdJLkNPTQAAAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoB 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1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Web pages... Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:35:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971102173506.0068bf8c@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Archives would be terrific for those of us who are less artistically inclined. It is a great way for all to see what can be done with experience. Those who fear being copied (the highest form of flattery) need only keep their designs safely tucked away in the back room. Rojean ------------------- At 01:42 PM 11/1/97 -0800, you wrote: > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.3111D3A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >I understand the need of those who do not have the artistic ability to = >do original work to "need " pattern archives ( there ARE copious = >quantities of books out there with every conceivable level of glass = >work). BUT those of us who have the ability usually have a "need" to be = >paid for our work (it has taken us many years of practice and/or = >schooling to get to this point) which may be the reason that not many = >participated the last time this was tried. Now as a teacher, I do wish = >to help those working for their own enjoyment and not for profit, and = >would be willing to contribute, but for those wishing to profit from the = >work of others there is the rule of copyright. Fair is fair, and fear = >not, I would pursue anyone using my designs for profit without my = >written permission (and usually remuneration). I hope I do not seem too = >hard, but my bread and butter comes from my time in designing. I hope I = >am not the only one feeling this way about archives. > >Hi all, > >>> I for one would LOVE a pattern archive....if someone could get this = >goin' >>> again, I'm there!!! > > >Stained Glass Biz would be happy to gather patterns from everyone and = >create >an online archive. Storing the patterns is no problem, we'll need = >either >scans or photocopies (sent to us to scan). 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>AAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAAAAMABYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAAC3DQAAHgAlgAggBgAA >AAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAMAJoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGF >AAAAAAAACwAvgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADADCACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAA >RgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMAMoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgBBgAggBgAAAAAA >wAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4AQoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAAB >AAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEA >AAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAKoZ > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE6CC.3111D3A0-- > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:08:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:07:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Different Glass Types Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.9640.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Keli; Yes, you are very polite! Anyway...some of those names are the manufacturers. Some refer to the type of glass, such as Flash glass. Some indicate a process which has been included in the glass manufacturing which produces a specific effect, such as Irridized. Some refer to the way two or more colors of glass are combined, such as Streaky. Some refer to the texture on one or both sides of the glass, such as Hammered. So...it's not always clear to someone as to just what it is we are talking about just by = referring it the glass by name. The best thing I did to educate myself on various types and manufacturers of glass was to purchase sample sets from the following manufacturers: Spectrum, Youghiogheny, Kokomo, Bullseye, Wissmach, Uroboros, and Armstrong. Then I purchased a sample set of glue chip glass (which is mostly from Wissmach) and clear textured glass (various manufacturers) from one of the distributors from whom I buy. Well worth the investment, since now I can actually see and touch the various types of glass. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:28:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:27:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Two questions Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:06:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.9634.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written byKeli V: > Unfortunately, after I finished the piece I realized that through the clear glass I used you could see the underneath of the foil. Just thought you might like to hear a tip - even tho I am VERY new at this. = I learned a lesson. ;)> Yep. That's why you have to choose whether to use regular copper foil, black backed foil, or silver backed foil based on the finished patina look, and glass selection. So...I always ask myself (or ask my students) what type of finished patina they envision for the piece, PRIOR to doing any foiling. This way they (and I) select the right type of foil for the piece. BTW, I use copper foil for copper and antique brass patinas. I use black backed for regular un-patinaed solder and for black and pewter finishes, and also for all mirror work regardless of the patina. Sometimes I use the silver backed foil for some un-patinaed solder finish, but most of the time I find the black backed foil look is just fine. Besides, the silver backed foil is expensive and I don't particularly like the adhesive used with it. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:37:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:36:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: "Susan Jordan Bennett" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:26:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.92638.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCE79B.650C8E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a = pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone = using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = etc? Susan ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCE79B.650C8E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft = paper. I've=20 got a pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is = anyone using=20 a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = etc?
 
Susan
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCE79B.650C8E00-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:41:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:40:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help with picture taking... Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:40:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov2.94029.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-02 04:59:00 EST, you write: <> hi Pj just curious about the cost of your new camera?I would love to get one ,I saw your web site and the photography of your work was exceptional! thanks ,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:41:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:41:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Repairs Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:37:59, -0500 Message-ID: <199711021938.OAA17646@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Roejean wrote: Fortunately there is more than one way to do any job! I, for one, am greatful to ALL the bungi participants for sharing there ideas. While there may be times when we need 'perfection' there are certainly as many (maybe more!) times when we need and/or want to save the day, and our sanity, by a 'quick fix'. Thanks to those who have shared their expertiese on the many ways of doing a job. Rojean Bob writes, I fully agree with the above. Some repairs are just not worth doing in the "best" way. I have no problem with explaining to my clients the various options that are available to get their glass back to a worthwhile condition. To my way of thinking it is wrong to charge $400.00 for a repair in the "best" way and not advise of a $60.00 repair that will serve the purpose well. To many of us are looking for what we want to do or the get righ quick job or the one that will at least make that next car payment and not thinking of basic honesty to the client. Many clients think that I am an expert and give me a trust along with their money. To me that means that I owe them good sound advice. On the other hand, there are not many weeks that go by before I refuse to accept a job, usually for safety or astethic reasons. I also will not take a task where the would be client sets a price that will not allow a repair that I can stand by. Putting on Nomex suit & goggles, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (stained glass, beveling, fusing & bending) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:45:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:45:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Two questions Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:44:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199711021944.NAA08362@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: SSparks99@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Two questions > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:37:16 -0500 (EST) > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > LM: > > I am new to this group, a beginner stained glass hobbyist and I have only > finished two pieces. The second finshed piece was with copper foil. > Unfortunately, after I finished the piece I realized that through the clear > glass I used you could see the underneath of the foil. Just thought you > might like to hear a tip - even tho I am VERY new at this. > > I learned a lesson. ;) > > Keli V Hi Keli.... Welcome to the group! Whenever you use clear glass just use Silver backed foil instead of the regular copper backed foil and ya wont see that anymore... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 11:57:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:56:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Different Glass Types Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:56:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199711021956.NAA10416@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" > To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" > Subject: Different Glass Types > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:06:40 -0500 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > The best thing I did to educate myself on various types and > manufacturers of glass was to purchase sample sets from > the following manufacturers: Spectrum, Youghiogheny, Kokomo, > Bullseye, Wissmach, Uroboros, and Armstrong. Then I > purchased a sample set of glue chip glass (which is mostly > from Wissmach) and clear textured glass (various manufacturers) > from one of the distributors from whom I buy. > > Well worth the investment, since now I can actually see and > touch the various types of glass. Amen to those words of wisdom! If your going to do a lot of work with glass the sample sets are sure worth the investment....I've got sets of all glass brands/types I use... Heck of a lot easier to show a prospective customer a nice sample than to try and explain it or use a picture... It also helps them and I visualize how the various glass colors/textures will work together if you can set pieces on thier design... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 12:21:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:21:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: "Susan Jordan Bennett" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: pattern paper -- again Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.10914.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCE7A1.47F4AEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a = pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone = using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = etc? =20 Susan ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCE7A1.47F4AEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft = paper. I've=20 got a pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is = anyone using=20 a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = etc?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BCE7A1.47F4AEA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 14:06:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:04:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:04:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov2.12424.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk One thought I had for multiple pattern use, particularly if you're using smaller patterns was to laminate each cut piece. Naturally, you'd need a laminating machine. However, if you don't have a laminating machine, or are using bigger pattern pieces, why not use clear, thin tranparency paper? I haven't tried it, but you'd be able to cut the pieces just like paper, and you can even run them through your printer if you're using a software program to design your pieces. PLUS, if you don't have a light table, you'd be able to see the grain or pattern of the glass so you could place the piece just where you want to on the sheet of glass. Transparency sheets are more expensive than paper, but are readibly available at any office supply store. Just a thought..........I think I'll give it a try myself. Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 14:16:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:14:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: "Susan Jordan Bennett" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.1262.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane, The transparency paper sounds like it's worth a try. It may be a bit pricy, but I don't care if it saves me time from making duplicate patterns. Thanks! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 14:28:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:26:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Framing questions Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:22:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.122254.0> References: <<199711021938.OAA17646@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I know people were just talking about wood frames, and I've never used them. I was wondering which products people liked best. I've been looking at the "Oak Framing Stock" that Delphi sells that comes in 6' lengths. They also have some pre-cut oak, which looks like it would be good too. W/C has some called "Pop-Lock" which look relatively simple, but I'm not sure I'd like them because the corners aren't mitred. I would love anyone's opinions on these products or any other wood frame products. Also, what about the side mount chain hooks to eliminate " top stress"? Is it better for larger panels to be hung from the side rather than the top? What about small panels? Does it matter? Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 15:45:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:44:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:44:09 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "pattern paper" on Nov 2, 14:26, "Susan Jordan Bennett" writes:] > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a = > pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone = > using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = > etc? What about laminating a piece of cardboard for added durability..??.. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 16:38:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:36:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 97 19:38:27 -0400 Message-ID: <199711030035.TAA28944@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a = >pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone = >using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = >etc? Susan, if your pattern is less than 11x17, you can easily find a printer (such as Sir Speedy, Budget, etc.) with a laminating machine. It doesn't cost much to have the whole thing laminated, then cut it out and use the laminated pieces as your template. Worked for me! Suzanne Albright suzydotcom "A thing of beauty is a joy forever." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 16:58:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:57:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!pstark From: pstark@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Solder...63/37??? Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:00:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.15047.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19971027084616.006b08d8@pop.bridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M.-J. wrote: > > Dear Bob, > > Thanks so much for a very informative post. I really learned a lot! > > Cheers, > > M.-J. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Hi MJ, glad I found your address on another thread. I did receive the zip file you sent and I do appreciate it. Sorry to take so long to reply but I deleted all my mail, yours included. Thanks again, paula ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 17:51:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:49:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:48:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971102205044.22ffec3c@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 07:38 PM 11/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Susan, if your pattern is less than 11x17, you can easily find a printer >(such as Sir Speedy, Budget, etc.) with a laminating machine. It doesn't >cost much to have the whole thing laminated, then cut it out and use the >laminated pieces as your template. Worked for me! > > >Suzanne Albright This is a good idea... what if I cut the pattern pieces out carefully with an exacto knife and then used the template like a stencil.... tracing from the inside of the pieces instead of around the outside.... would this be asking for trouble? > Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 17:52:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:49:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Old Foil Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:48:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971102205046.1dd77306@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello List, I recently bought some glass, a grinder, a few tools and some pattern books at a yard sale as a package deal... When I got all the goodies home I also discovered several rolls of foil that were tucked into the box... I remember during our conversation that the seller used to teach and had been storing the stuff in her attic for about 11 years. Can I use the foil? Is there a good way of refreshing the foil or am I better off chucking it out... Thanks for you thoughts... Barbara Snell Cornell University ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 18:40:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:37:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Old Foil Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:35:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.163512.0> References: <<2.2.16.19971102205046.1dd77306@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > > Hello List, > I recently bought some glass, a grinder, a few tools and some > pattern books at a yard sale as a package deal... When I got all the goodies > home I also discovered several rolls of foil that were tucked into the box... > I remember during our conversation that the seller used to teach and > had been storing the stuff in her attic for about 11 years. > Can I use the foil? Is there a good way of refreshing the foil or > am I better off chucking it out... Thanks for you thoughts... > Barbara Snell > Cornell University > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass personally i would'nt chance the foil. i have foil a few years old, and it's no longer any good. the rest of the stuff should be good. if anything, try a test, i would'nt use it on a good project though. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 18:59:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:57:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov2.165615.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-02 14:40:33 EST, you write: << Is anyone = using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = etc? >> I use a product from Rubbermaid company ,Just plain ole clear contact paper! It is easy to laminate your pieces with it and it seems to keep water off your pieces and oils from the cutter. IMHO,i like it it is not cheap but it does the trick.,Judy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 19:43:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:42:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:41:50 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: pattern paper" on Nov 2, 21:56, IMN2GLASS2@aol.com writes:] > using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = > etc? >> > I use a product from Rubbermaid company ,Just plain ole > clear contact paper! It is easy to laminate your pieces with it and it seems > to keep water off your pieces and oils from the cutter. IMHO,i like it it is > not cheap but it does the trick.,Judy Where did you get it? -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 2 21:31:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:29:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:22:04, -0500 Message-ID: <199711030522.AAA10736@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susan wrote in part: << Is anyone using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, etc? >> Bob suggests, Now is the time to check out the junk yard or recycling center. First gather up all your scrap lead and other metals. Second go to the place of your choosing and demand cash for your goodies. Third look aground. You may very well find some thin copper or aluminum sheet that will cut with scissors and make everlasting patterns. Also look around for copper wire of all gauges and buy plenty to share with your friends. Failing this, go to the local newspaper and see if they use thin aluminum sheet in their printing process. Most do these days and once used are scrap. Getting money for scrap and finding real bargains in metal needs is a most satisfying experience. Need to go soon, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (stained glass, beveling, fusing & bending) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 03:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:27:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 06:26:32 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov3.112632.0> References: <<1997Nov2.92638.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:26:38 -0500 "Susan Jordan Bennett" writes: > >When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a = >pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone = >using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, = >etc? > >Susan I usually use a fine tip sharpie and go directly on the glass, but sometimes I do need a pattern for repetition. My husband works in the Radiology department of a hospital. They throw out tons of clear x-ray film. When they open the boxes, the first several sheets at the beginning of the film are exposed, making them clear, they are perfect and free. They give it to anyone who asks for it. You can also buy a mylar type of plastic at larger fabric stores that sell quilting supplies. They are used for making stencils for quilting designs. I have also used clear contact paper. You can buy contact paper at wal-mart. It's usually in the section where they sell shelf paper for kitchen cabinets. Debbie T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 05:58:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 05:57:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Prodigy.Net!NGranger From: NGranger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F122A5C5A90" Subject: [Fwd: Re: pattern paper] Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 08:48:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.04855.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Prodigy Internet Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F122A5C5A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the pattern is small enough or you want to tape pieces together you might try overhead transparencies through a regular copier. It works great for patterns that you are going to need many copies of. Pattern shears also cut it but you have to go very slowly. They are alittle expensive but are really easy to use and worth it for the time you save. Nancy --------------F122A5C5A90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com [127.0.0.1] by wflda-pimaia2w.prodigy.com; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:41:03 -0500 Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA74860 for ; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:41:02 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAA16788 for NGranger@prodigy.net; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:36:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199711022236.RAA16788@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: FORWARDED@prodigy.com (Susan Jordan Bennett) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:36:36, -0500 To: NGranger@prodigy.net Subject: Re: pattern paper Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0565926145" X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 --0565926145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pimaia2w.prodigy.com id RAA74860 Message forwarded from Classic Prodigy=AE --0565926145 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by pimaia3w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA85452; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:35:10 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:14:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cape.com!sjb From: "Susan Jordan Bennett" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:06:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.1262.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MIME-Version: 1.0 Diane, The transparency paper sounds like it's worth a try. It may be a bit pricy, but I don't care if it saves me time from making duplicate patterns. Thanks! Susan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --0565926145-- --------------F122A5C5A90-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 06:11:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:10:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Prodigy.Net!NGranger From: NGranger To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Multiple cuts w/bandsaw Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:00:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.1014.0> References: <<199711010020.TAA19568@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Prodigy Internet Precedence: bulk GeeHaeb@aol.com wrote: > = > Message forwarded from Classic Prodigy=AE > = > --------------------------------------------------------------- > = > Subject: Re: Re: Multiple cuts w/bandsaw > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:39:37 -0500 (EST) > From: GeeHaeb@aol.com > Reply-To: glass@bungi.com > To: glass@bungi.com > = > There is a kit available for repairing band saw blades. It includes > instructions, a jig, and a couple of clamps with a little silver solder, = and > you need a torch to do it. A tiny bit of solder does the job, and you > probably will need to really file it down to keep the blade from "thumpin= g" > through the glass. Some folks seem to break quite a few blades, and other= s > never have a problem. It seems to be more the type of use than the quali= ty > of the blade that makes the difference. You really need to let the blade= do > the work for you and take your time, especially with some of the smaller > saws. Try to avoid twisting the blade, and remember that two or three rep= airs > on the same blade and it will be too short to fit your saw, as you cut a > little out each time. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thanks, its good information to have. I'm not sure I'll try it with this = one. I found that the person I bought the saw from had the blade on it = with tension for over four years. Hoping that is what stressed the = blade. I put a new one on. Will see how it goes, may end up needing the = kit anyway. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 07:34:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:33:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: email.msn.com!jurab From: "PREFERRED CUSTOMER" To: Subject: Plating & Foiling Machines Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.53041.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Will someone direct me to a book that will explain plating? Also I would like to know which foiling machines are the most effecient. I have Glastar but I find it easier to foil by hand than use it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 09:45:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:44:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:44:07 -0800 Message-ID: <199711031744.JAA23125@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For production work I make templates from thin card stock (about the weight of many glass pattern book covers), marking the direction the glass grain show go with an arrow. I use these regardless of whether I'm using cathedral or opaqua glass. I keep each set in an envelope for future reuse. Although I'm doing less production work now I've been able to trace dozens of repeats before I need to recut the pattern piece. I can't imagine how long it would take to stick down pattern pieces, cut, remove the pattern, restick it and cut again. That way you'd be able to cut only one at a time, instead of 6 or 12 or whatever you decided to make. It speeds the process up considerably to be able to make a whole pile of cuts before stopping to break the scores. Cheers Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 10:00:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 09:59:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Framing questions Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:58:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.7582.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Jerri: > I know people were just talking about wood frames, and I've never= used them. I was wondering which products people liked best. I've been looking at the "Oak Framing Stock" that Delphi sells that comes in 6' lengths. They also have some pre-cut oak, which looks like it would be good too. W/C has some called "Pop-Lock" which look relatively simple, but I'm not sure I'd like them because the corners aren't mitred. I would love anyone's opinions on these products or any other wood frame products. Also, what about the side mount chain hooks to eliminate " top stress"? Is it better for larger panels to be hung from the side rather than the top? What about small panels? Does it matter? Thanks, Jerri< Oh boy, did you ever ask some good questions! Personally, I like to use the Northern Hardwoods oak framing stock. This= is probably the manufacturer that Delphi sells, as they come in both 6' lengths which you cut yourself, or in various lengths already cut, mitere= d and drilled out for the screws. In fact, I just ordered quite a few of them on Saturday for some up-coming projects. I have never used the Pop-Lock system. Anyone out there have any opinions? The side mount hooks are installed on the two sides of the frame. By installing them on the sides rather than on the top of the frame, you spread the stress of weight bearing down the entire length of the side, rather than at just two points at the top. Whenever possible, use the side-mounted hooks whether it's for a large or small framed panel. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 10:08:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:07:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nwu.edu!alansing From: Amy Lansing To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:05:24 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971103120524.0104f958@merle.acns.nwu.edu> References: <<1997Nov2.1262.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use clear contact paper attached to both sides of the pattern before I cut out the pieces. The contact paper is easy to remove before you cut the pieces & it lasts forever. You can also erase numbers & color codes on it for the next time you use the pattern. Amy At 05:06 PM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Diane, > >The transparency paper sounds like it's worth a try. It may be a bit pricy, >but I don't care if it saves me time from making duplicate patterns. > >Thanks! >Susan > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Amy Lansing Deputy Project Coordinator Psycho-Legal Studies Northwestern University Medical School 710 N. Lake Shore Drive, Suite #900 Chicago, IL 60611 Office: (312) 503-3500 FAX: (312) 503-3535 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 10:23:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:22:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!BettyTBoop From: BettyTBoop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscription removal Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:21:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.82141.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list. Bettytboop@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 10:56:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:55:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: pattern paper Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.75758.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Susan: >When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a =3D pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone =3D using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, =3D etc?< Cut out the pattern as per normal. Then place the pieces on clear contact paper. Then cover the other side with some more clear contact paper. Then cut out the pieces again with Exacto knife or regular scissors. This takes time, but you have a pattern which is completely sealed and is impervious to water, flux, etc. Can be used indefinitely. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 12:15:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:12:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Reducing glare on historic panel Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 09:21:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.32111.0> References: <<1997Oct31.123019.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk But what do I do with the > clear and cathedral older glass in order to cut down on the glare? > > I don't want to do anything to the older panel which someone else after > me wouldn't be able to undo for conservation reasons. So that rules out > etching the glass. Is there something like a film I can put on the back > of the glass which would reduce the glare, and could be removed by > a later restorer? Or maybe I plate a second layer of lightly frosted gla= > ss > onto the back to the older panel? Christie, Just a thought, but there are clear polyurethanes (even in spray cans)that have a semi gloss or even satin finish. Probably ought to try it on some scrap glass first! Frankly, I think your idea of a sheet of non-glare glass in front of the panel is the best idea. The polyurethane is bound to dampen the effects of even a clear cathedral. Buy your customer a pair of cheap sunglasses and maybe they'll get the hint! Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 12:15:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Glenna Rand Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 16:11:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov1.101141.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna, Can you send me your private email address, please? Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 12:16:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:12:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Different Glass Types Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 07:18:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov2.11824.0> References: <<1997Nov1.101321.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Hi Keli- > Kokomo has a pretty decent video out showing how they make their glass... it's quite well done - several glass shops in our area rent it out and perhaps one in your area does, too > Dani > > Dani > I would like more info on this video (for my classes), where can one buy this video. > Glenn Spicer > The Studio Metamorphoses Glenn, The only place I know of that has it is Kokomo Opalescent Glass Company. I visited them about two years ago and picked up a copy of the video from their Op Shop. Call them (765)457-8139 and ask for the Op Shop. It cost $20 when I bought mine, and it is worth it! Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 12:25:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:24:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!glass_artist From: glass_artist@juno.com (Lori J Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web pages... Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.81725.0> References: <<1997Oct30.34425.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Stained Glass Biz would be happy to gather patterns from everyone and >create >an online archive. Storing the patterns is no problem, we'll need >either >scans or photocopies (sent to us to scan). If you're interested, >let's get >the ball rolling! > >Pete I think it's a great idea! I was just about to donate time and space to making a bungi pattern website. I have a degree in fine art and have the capability of drawing my own patterns. Unfortunately not everyone can do this... that doesn't keep them from enjoying creating stained glass. I used pattern books, but found out they're not worth my money because I can't re-sell the patterns inside. It seemed a huge waste considering the price I paid for the book. As an artist, if I create a spectacular work that I wish to keep as my creation only, then I will restrict people from it's reproduction. Right now, I copyright my original designs, but only to prevent someone from using it and saying, "look what I designed!" Without throwing credit my way. I was a contributor to the original bungi pattern archive and still encourage people to use my patterns in reproduction. The gist of it is...if I don't want it duplicated, I won't make it available...but,if I can throw a little help & enjoyment out there for the novice artists, then so be it! LJ _____________________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, artist & owner can be reached at: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design at handcrafted & unique stained glass gift items ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 12:39:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:38:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper -- again Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:38:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.103834.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna,I use rubbermaid ULTRA contact paper which can be purchased at any department store that carries home goods and house wares.It cost about eight to ten dollars a roll. hope this helps,Judy(imn2glass2) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 13:14:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:13:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:53:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.205349.0> References: <<1997Nov3.75758.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1997Nov3.75758.0@?>, Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo writes >Message text written by Susan: >>When making a pattern I cut it from heavy craft paper. I've got a =3D >pattern design I would like to produce a number of times. Is anyone =3D >using a product for the patterns that can be reused -- thin plastic, =3D >etc?< Why not use sheets of clear acetate? you can see through, need to cut only once, lasts a long time. Place flat acetate sheet on top of drawing, pattern, etc. , then cut and if necessary break sheet on score lines. steve ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 13:28:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:27:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: PREFERRED CUSTOMER Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Plating & Foiling Machines Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:26:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.52619.0> References: <<1997Nov3.53041.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Preferred Customer. What kind of plating? There is the kind where you add a layer of glass to the backside of a project and the kind where you have the solder or came plated with a different kind of metal. Plating of the metal variety can usually be found in the library. Of the other, see the lastest issue of Common Ground and Robert Oddy. Foiling machines will take time and patience to use. Have you tried the little hand foiler? That helps center the foil for you do do it by hand. I actually find myself using the foiling machine to hold the foil and then use the hand foiler as a matter of precision and convenience. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 13:33:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:32:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Carol Swann Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:30:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.53029.0> References: <<199711031744.JAA23125@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol: You talked about the time element involved in gluing pattern pieces down...you are right. However, I have found some of my students prefer this because it gives them more security in getting the glass cut "just right." I usually give students a choice and explain there are times when them trace or cut through clear (English method); trace around a pattern template; and when they do, in fact, glue the pattern to the glass. Depends on how secure they are with their ability to cut glass is the bottom line. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 13:35:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:35:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Framing questions Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.53348.0> References: <<1997Nov3.7582.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. Questions about framing include where to get them. Actually frames are quite expensive. I have found garage sales one of my best sources. You can usually find some nice solid frames suitable for glass panels. Sometimes I have to refinish them but overall they do their job. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 13:44:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:43:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Pattern Making Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:42:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.54237.0> References: <<1997Nov3.103834.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On the subject of pattern making: I bought a box of self-sticking label paper with the idea of running the pattern (8 x10) through a copier and ten after I cut out the pattern all I had to do was to stick it on the glass. After a couple of years, I still have a nice box of the do-it-yourself laser label paper...I can't find a reason to do it to justify the cost of the laser label paper. Usually find that card stock is suitable for pattern shears and allows unlimited use of pattern templates. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 13:52:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:51:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reusche & Co Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:20:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.21200.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have an e-mail address for Reusche & CO, 1299 H Street, Greeley, CO 80631, USA? I'd like to communicate with them, but can't find them on the internet. Thanks in advance. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 14:26:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:25:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Web pages... Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.122349.0> References: <<1997Nov3.81725.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lori J Maas wrote: > > >Stained Glass Biz would be happy to gather patterns from everyone and > >create > >an online archive. Storing the patterns is no problem, we'll need > >either > >scans or photocopies (sent to us to scan). If you're interested, > >let's get > >the ball rolling! > > > >Pete > > I think it's a great idea! I was just about to donate time and space to > making a bungi pattern website. > > I have a degree in fine art and have the capability of drawing my own > patterns. Unfortunately not everyone can do this... that doesn't keep > them from enjoying creating stained glass. I used pattern books, but > found out they're not worth my money because I can't re-sell the patterns > inside. It seemed a huge waste considering the price I paid for the book. > As an artist, if I create a spectacular work that I wish to keep as my > creation only, then I will restrict people from it's reproduction. Right > now, I copyright my original designs, but only to prevent someone from > using it and saying, "look what I designed!" Without throwing credit my > way. I was a contributor to the original bungi pattern archive and still > encourage people to use my patterns in reproduction. The gist of it > is...if I don't want it duplicated, I won't make it available...but,if I > can throw a little help & enjoyment out there for the novice artists, > then so be it! > LJ > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > LJ Maas, artist & owner can be reached at: artist@busprod.com > > ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design at > > handcrafted & unique stained glass gift items > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass how does someone go about copy righting work? and how much does it cost? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 14:32:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:32:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: estimating a price Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.123048.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk today a co-worker came up to me and asked if they could build a project for them. although i heard all sorts of methods of pricing, estimating something before it's built is a bit more tricky. i gave her a price of $150.00. this is what the panel would be: 18" in diameter, it's a circle (the world). there are letters coming out of it, like superman letters. it sticks out above the circle. the colors would probably be all spectrum. the colors i had in mind would be blue water glass, aqua water glass, clear semi-ant, and white boroque. it's a free hanging panel, it's going in the window of a store. i figure i may put some kind of stiff came around it, though that's still up in the air. based on this, what kind of price wuod you give? and does my price sound too high or fair? generally all my stuff is pretty complex, and i really don't sell a ton of stuff. i just hate being confronted for an estimate, and just looking dumb...staring at the picture. oh btw the pattern is pretty much done, i would need to add break lines. and a few of the cuts would need a bandsaw for a neater appearence. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 14:54:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:53:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca!amesken From: Ken Ames To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: wolf picture or pattern Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:50:56 -0600 Message-ID: <345E554F.FBACB62@ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca> References: <<199710261726.NAA17602@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We are trying to find a pattern of a wolf face or full body. Have not sent to this group before. Hope I am doing things correctly. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 14:58:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:58:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 18:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <199711032257.RAA15601@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >At 07:38 PM 11/2/97 -0400, you wrote: > >>Susan, if your pattern is less than 11x17, you can easily find a printer >>(such as Sir Speedy, Budget, etc.) with a laminating machine. It doesn't >>cost much to have the whole thing laminated, then cut it out and use the >>laminated pieces as your template. Worked for me! >> >> >>Suzanne Albright > > This is a good idea... what if I cut the pattern pieces out >carefully with an exacto knife and then used the template like a stencil.... >tracing from the inside of the pieces instead of around the outside.... >would this be asking for trouble? >> >Barbara Snell >Cornell University Susan, you would cut the laminated pattern apart with pattern shears the same as you would on regular pattern paper. No need to go through all the trouble of cutting with an exacto knife and tracing from the inside. Suzanne Albright suzydotcom "A thing of beauty is a joy forever." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 15:06:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:06:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca!amesken From: Ken Ames To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Paterns or picture of wolf Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:03:25 -0600 Message-ID: <345E583D.8C3D61F1@ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi : From another lurker! A little nervous about sending this request, as I am am quite computer illiterate. Would anyone know where I could find a wolf pattern that could be done in copper foil? Thanks in advance. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 15:28:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:28:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Copyright Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:17:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971103221732.006984e8@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There is no charge for copyrighting ones works. One need only state in writing that the work is copyrighted, stating what it is protected against, use the circled c copyright sign, date it and it's a done deal. Usually detailed writing is found on paper, with only the circled c put on objects such as your glass objects. Info explaining this can be found in any public library. I would guess it's also available on the net... somewhere. Trouble with copyright is enforcement of your rights. You would have to press charges against someone you suspected of enfringing on your copyright. Good Luck Rojean rogert@matnet.com > > >how does someone go about copy righting work? and how much does it cost? > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making >Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain >Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, >Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 15:31:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:30:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Reusche & Co Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:23:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199711032316.SAA29629@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Reusche & CO, 1299 H Street, > Greeley, CO 80631, USA? > I'd like to communicate with them, but can't find them on the internet. They apparently don't have one, Steve. Of the 634 suppliers included in the Guild's online Sources Guide (see below), only 15% have email addresses. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 15:41:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:40:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: a site i found Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:39:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.133920.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i'll probably be putting this one on my links list. it has quite a bit of stuff in it. i suggest to to the site map to navigate, it's a little hard to find anything otherwise.. http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 16:27:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web pages... Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:47:25 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov3.234725.0> References: <<1997Oct30.34425.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:25 -0600 glass_artist@juno.com (Lori J Maas) writes: > ,if I can throw a little help & enjoyment out there for the novice artists, >then so be it! >LJ > >Wow! I wish there were more people like you out there. Your ideas will inspire others to start their first piece. I know when I first started I wasn't sure if I could do it. The price of the patterns nearly scared me away. Thank you for being generous. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 16:52:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:51:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: wolf picture or pattern Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:17:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.141737.0> References: <<199710261726.NAA17602@mime4.prodigy.com>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There's a book called *Wildlife of the North* with a howling wolf on the cover. I can't remember if there's any more wolf patterns inside. On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:50:56 -0600 Ken Ames writes: >We are trying to find a pattern of a wolf face or full body. Have not >sent to this group before. Hope I am doing things correctly. Carol > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 17:01:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:00:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Reusche & Co Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:49:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971103234939.00697f3c@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Reusche & Co. Newark, NJ 07105 USA 973-589-2040 FAX: 973-589-0478 Ceramic Colors For Glass & Porcelain; Brushes. Above is copied from the Thomas Register on line, it appears this may not be the one you are searching for. At any rate, there is no E-mail address given. Rojean rogert@matnet.com Alaska At 06:23 PM 11/3/97 +0000, you wrote: > >> Does anyone have an e-mail address for Reusche & CO, 1299 H Street, >> Greeley, CO 80631, USA? >> I'd like to communicate with them, but can't find them on the >internet. > >They apparently don't have one, Steve. Of the 634 suppliers included >in the Guild's online Sources Guide (see below), only 15% have email >addresses. > >Albert > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 17:23:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:23:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Patterns or picture of wolf Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:22:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.152244.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just got a neat wolf pattern from glasdesign ,a german pattern company,it has a lot of animal pics init meant for maosaic work but I don't see why it can't be used as a copper foil panel.The pic of the pack of wolves in the moonlight is just awesome! the name of the pattern book is GlasDesign Wildlife.Check it out,Imn2glass2 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 17:51:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:50:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: $Patterns$ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:28:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.92852.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn wrote I understand the need of those who do not have the artistic ability to = do original work to "need " pattern archives ( there ARE copious = quantities of books out there with every conceivable level of glass = work). BUT those of us who have the ability usually have a "need" to be = paid for our work (it has taken us many years of practice and/or = schooling to get to this point) which may be the reason that not many = participated the last time this was tried. Now as a teacher, I do wish = to help those working for their own enjoyment and not for profit, and = would be willing to contribute, but for those wishing to profit from the = work of others there is the rule of copyright. Fair is fair, and fear = not, I would pursue anyone using my designs for profit without my = written permission (and usually remuneration). I hope I do not seem too = hard, but my bread and butter comes from my time in designing. I hope I = am not the only one feeling this way about archives. Tyler wrote Archives would be terrific for those of us who are less artistically = inclined. It is a great way for all to see what can be done with = experience. Those who fear being copied (the highest form of flattery) = need only keep their designs safely tucked away in the back room.=20 Lori J Maas wrote I think it's a great idea! I was just about to donate time and space to = making a bungi pattern website. I have a degree in fine art and have the capability of drawing my own = patterns. Unfortunately not everyone can do this... that doesn't keep = them from enjoying creating stained glass. I used pattern books, but = found out they're not worth my money because I can't re-sell the = patterns inside. It seemed a huge waste considering the price I paid for = the book. As an artist, if I create a spectacular work that I wish to = keep as my creation only, then I will restrict people from it's = reproduction. Right now, I copyright my original designs, but only to = prevent someone from using it and saying, "look what I designed!" = Without throwing credit my way. I was a contributor to the original = bungi pattern archive and still encourage people to use my patterns in = reproduction. The gist of it is...if I don't want it duplicated, I won't = make it available...but,if I can throw a little help & enjoyment out = there for the novice artists, then so be it! LJ Mike Savad wrote how does someone go about copy righting work? and how much does it cost? ----------------------------- I may have to repeat some of what I said in the beginning Tyler:=20 "Those who fear being copied (the highest form of flattery) need only = keep their designs safely tucked away in the back room. " "those of us who are less artistically inclined." There are copyright = free designs (if you are interested in selling and many more if you = don't plan on making a profit) out there that are available for just = these people. I don't go to my mechanic and say can you fix my car for = free, I'm not mechanically inclined. I don't "fear" being copied those copying non-copyright free without = permission should do the fearing "Flattery" I do not need, I feel quite comfortable with my ability "the back room" is not necessary, that is what copyright law is for, to = protect the designs I have made. Lori J Mass "I was just about to donate" and that is just what many artists, = including myself extensively, do to help others along. The KEY word is = donate, WE make the choice. That is why most books have in the = introduction [no part of this publication may be reproduced.......in any = form..... without prior permission of the copyright owners, with the = exception .....for personal use only]. "if I don't want it duplicated, I won't make it available...but, if I = can throw a little help & enjoyment out there for the novice artists, = then so be it!" available is a relative term, by law it is not = available unless the copyright owner says it is for public domain. = Allowing the public to see your work does not make it available.=20 ------------ Mike Savad "how does someone go about copy righting work? and how much does it = cost?" Well Mike thinks have gotten much easier for the creative! The act of = creating an original work of art is enough, by LAW, to give the creator = copyright, the circled "c", the date, and the copyright owner's name is = merely there to remind and warn those who seek to profit from another's = work. It costs you nothing, but you can get forms from the copyright = offices to formalize the copyright, or get a lawyer to do what is easily = done by yourself (difference is you have to pay him). My lawyer said = another simple way to give evidence of date of creation is to document = your work, mail this document to yourself registered mail, and don't = open it (your lawyer will do that in court if the need arises). So let's get a few things straight, copyright free archives. I have no = problem with, but there should be a release in the archives stating that = these designs are available for personal use only (i.e. you cannot make = profit) OR are copyright free and public domain (i.e. you can make = profit). This will make it clear both to the giver and the receiver = where they stand and no one will end up surprised one day. So I do not = intend to put a damper on this, just play by the rules. Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 17:51:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:50:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE87D.FD721740" Subject: RE: estimating a price Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:08:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.8817.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE87D.FD721740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: M. Savad [SMTP:morn@nac.net] Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 2:31 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: estimating a price today a co-worker came up to me and asked if they could build a project for them. although i heard all sorts of methods of pricing, estimating something before it's built is a bit more tricky. i gave her a price of $150.00. this is what the panel would be: 18" in diameter, it's a circle (the world). there are letters coming out of it, like superman letters. it sticks out above the circle.=20 the colors would probably be all spectrum. the colors i had in mind would be blue water glass, aqua water glass, clear semi-ant, and white boroque. it's a free hanging panel, it's going in the window of a store. i figure i may put some kind of stiff came around it, though that's still up in the air. based on this, what kind of price wuod you give? and does my price sound too high or fair?=20 generally all my stuff is pretty complex, and i really don't sell a ton of stuff. i just hate being confronted for an estimate, and just looking dumb...staring at the picture. oh btw the pattern is pretty much done, i would need to add break lines. and a few of the cuts would need a bandsaw for a neater appearence. ---Mike Savad --=20 Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Check my formula Mike, you know the area, the # of pieces, the type of = Glass, I'm now charging $5 more in each sq.ft. category and $.50 more = /pc in each category and if it fits between categories use the famous = fudge factor Glenn Spicer Studio Metamorphoses 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AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAEOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA4 hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAC6s ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCE87D.FD721740-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 18:00:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:00:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Reusche & Co Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:58:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711040158.UAA00600@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rojean wrote, >Reusche & Co. > >Newark, NJ 07105 USA >973-589-2040 >FAX: 973-589-0478 > >Ceramic Colors For Glass & Porcelain; Brushes. > >Above is copied from the Thomas Register on line, it appears this may not be the one you are searching for. At any rate, there is no E-mail address given. > Well Reusche of newark moved to Colorado in September of 1996. Reusche & Co of TWS Inc. 1299 H Street Greeley Colorado 80631 970.346.8577/phone 970.346.8575/fax pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 18:36:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:36:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Framing questions Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.162957.0> References: <<1997Nov3.7582.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Carolyn's Creations Precedence: bulk I've used the Pop-Lock frames and haven't had a problem, although you do need to glue the plugs in securely. One definite advantage is, it's quick and easy. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 18:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:43:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Previous question Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:37:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.163711.0> References: <<1997Nov2.101511.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Carolyn's Creations Precedence: bulk Regarding changing patina on a piece, I've had really good luck with 000 or 0000 steel wool. Just rub it over the patinaed solder and re-patina. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 19:08:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:07:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: concentric.net!PMGoff From: PMGoff To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: wolf pattern Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:09:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.15916.0> References: <<345E554F.FBACB62@ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WILD ANIMALS Stained Glass Pattern Book by Connie Eaton (Dover, 1996; $5.95) has a full-bodied pattern of a wolf howling. Enlarge the pattern after a few drawing improvements, and it would make a really nice panel. ===================== Ken Ames wrote: > > We are trying to find a pattern of a wolf face or full body. Have not > sent to this group before. Hope I am doing things correctly. Carol > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 19:38:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:37:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Copyright of one's work Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 22:44:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199711040337.WAA08151@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This has been hashed and rehashed and, I guess, always will be. You can get the straight poop directly from the U.S. Copyright Office at http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ Everything from beginning basics to more advanced questions is right at your fingertips, including: Copyright Secured Automatically Upon Creation The way in which copyright protection is secured under the present law is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. Albert International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 21:16:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:15:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Moved-Survived ????? Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 00:14:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov3.19147.0> References: <<1997Oct21.55430.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have survived my move, (me, my studio, my birds) now to get unpacked. My mail must have bounced, and dropped me from the bungi.com list, while my server was being re-routed. All I'm getting is ArtMetal list. So if I missed anything interesting let me know. I may have missed personal mail also-so if a message to me bounced-I'm back on line. Same e-mail address, so send again. leestat7@home.com I just resubscribed using the 'auto-mailer' and that will get the list mail going again. Best to all, and hope not to move again for a long, long time. My bruises have bruises. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 3 23:57:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:57:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Paterns or picture of wolf Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov3.215654.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too have been unable to find a wolf pattern. I'd like to know if anyone finds one as well. THanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 02:30:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:30:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Help asked in identifying sg windows found in a train Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.102834.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 20:43 03/11/97 -0800, "Mic and Jeni Novak" wrote to us in the UK: > We need to identify some stained glass windows we salvaged >from a old train . The nearest we can figure, the car was made around >1840's. We have found out that the car was remodeled in 1904 . > There were four car's made. One was made for the President of >northern pacific railroad. We are not certain of where the other >three are . > The car we are working on was decommissioned in 1928. > We need some help to identify the window's maker? > > Thank you > > Dave, Jeni & Mic Is there a Bungian out there who can help them? Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 03:32:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 03:32:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help asked in identifying sg windows found in a train Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:40:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199711041132.GAA15110@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk They should send a photo of the window to Julie Sloan, McKernan Satterlee Associates: Julie Sloan McKernan Satterlee Associates, Inc. PO Box 480 North Adams MA 01247 - 0480 ..........................Phone: ( 413 ) 664 - 2085 ..........................Fax: (413) 664-6570 ..........................Email: jsloan@vgernet.net ..........................Website: http://www.jlsloan.com/ She will probably be able to identify the maker. > At 20:43 03/11/97 -0800, "Mic and Jeni Novak" wrote to us > in the UK: > > We need to identify some stained glass windows we salvaged >from a old > train . The nearest we can figure, the car was made around >1840's. We have > found out that the car was remodeled in 1904 . > > There were four car's made. One was made for the President of >northern > pacific railroad. We are not certain of where the other >three are . > > The car we are working on was decommissioned in 1928. > > We need some help to identify the window's maker? > > > > Thank you > > > > Dave, Jeni & Mic > Is there a Bungian out there who can help them? > Elizabeth > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http://www.stainedglass.co.uk > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 05:01:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:00:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juliet.stfx.ca!marchiba From: Mary Archibald To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4D8D6938CFF5DA6B421575D1" Subject: Re: Crrrrraaaaaccccckkkk!!! Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <345F1A5E.3F0F4012@stfx.ca> References: <<199710300155.TAA14093@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: St. Francis Xavier University Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4D8D6938CFF5DA6B421575D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I like that one, am I correct in assuming that the keyword is "useless" M. byronw@cyberramp.net wrote: > > From: "bunzie" > > To: > > Subject: Crrrrraaaaaccccckkkk!!! > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:10:01 -0500 > > > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > Well I did it... > > > > I just finished a beautiful butterfly panel > when somehow during the > > waxing I got a big ole running crack all the > way across a good sized piece. > > (about 5 inches across). > > > > This is the first time this has happened, so > before I go hacking away at > > the thing, could anyone give me some advice on > how to repair it? It's done > > with foil, not lead. > > > > Thanks! ~Lori > > ---- > > While my advice may not be kosher with some of > the purists this is > what I've done on a rather large foil panel for > my own home.... If > I were selling the panel I would and have gone > to the trouble of > desoldering the piece and installing a new > one... > > Anyway for my own panel what I did was ti stick > a thin strip of foil > on top of the crack on both sides and ran a bead > of solder over > them.. For a little more support you could also > add a piece of thin > wire on each side also...Like I said I would > even try that on a sold > piece but for my own it took a whole 5 minutes > to repair the crack.. > The panel is in a hardwood frame now (it > cracked when I was cleaning > the flux off it) and no one but me is the > wiser... > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------4D8D6938CFF5DA6B421575D1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mary Archibald Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Mary Archibald n: ;Mary Archibald email;internet: marchiba@stfx.ca x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE end: vcard --------------4D8D6938CFF5DA6B421575D1-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 05:03:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:02:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juliet.stfx.ca!marchiba From: Mary Archibald To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------49615972D1D5932EB61D5260" Subject: Re: Crrrrraaaaaccccckkkk!!! Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: <345F1AC8.48971A6D@stfx.ca> References: <<199710300155.TAA14093@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: St. Francis Xavier University Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------49615972D1D5932EB61D5260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologise for the previous post. I mistakenly sent it to the list. Now know how easy it is to do that. Sorry. Mary byronw@cyberramp.net wrote: > > From: "bunzie" > > To: > > Subject: Crrrrraaaaaccccckkkk!!! > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:10:01 -0500 > > > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > Well I did it... > > > > I just finished a beautiful butterfly panel > when somehow during the > > waxing I got a big ole running crack all the > way across a good sized piece. > > (about 5 inches across). > > > > This is the first time this has happened, so > before I go hacking away at > > the thing, could anyone give me some advice on > how to repair it? It's done > > with foil, not lead. > > > > Thanks! ~Lori > > ---- > > While my advice may not be kosher with some of > the purists this is > what I've done on a rather large foil panel for > my own home.... If > I were selling the panel I would and have gone > to the trouble of > desoldering the piece and installing a new > one... > > Anyway for my own panel what I did was ti stick > a thin strip of foil > on top of the crack on both sides and ran a bead > of solder over > them.. For a little more support you could also > add a piece of thin > wire on each side also...Like I said I would > even try that on a sold > piece but for my own it took a whole 5 minutes > to repair the crack.. > The panel is in a hardwood frame now (it > cracked when I was cleaning > the flux off it) and no one but me is the > wiser... > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------49615972D1D5932EB61D5260 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mary Archibald Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Mary Archibald n: ;Mary Archibald email;internet: marchiba@stfx.ca x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE end: vcard --------------49615972D1D5932EB61D5260-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 05:29:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:28:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Hello, anyone there? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:29:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.32955.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry for the empty post but I have not received any bungi mail since = All Hallow's Eve.=20 Is every one working too hard to speak or am I off the list? I worked on a lighthouse kaleidoscope last night. I'm trying to use a = marble in the lamp area as the viewing object but by the time I put the = roof on, it's dark in there. It may work if the viewer makes sure that = light comes in from the side, rather than aiming the end at a light = source. The kaleidoscope is eigth-sided just like the Montauk Point lighthouse = and I want to put a walkway all the way around close to the top. Any = suggestions?=20 - glass (too heavy and bulky looking I think).=20 - wire (too many pieces to come loose - brackets and handrails and such) - Maybe flat copper sheet cut to shape and tinned? I'm out of ideas. Why oh why do I start projects I have no idea how they = are going to finish? Linda Campbell =20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 05:56:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:56:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:58:24 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.15824.0> References: <<1997Nov3.123048.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > today a co-worker came up to me and asked if they could build a project > for them. although i heard all sorts of methods of pricing, estimating > something before it's built is a bit more tricky. i gave her a price of > $150.00. this is what the panel would be: > > based on this, what kind of price wuod you give? and does my price sound > too high or fair? > Mike, There have been a lot of comments on this already, as you know, so rehashing the "per sq ft" method vs "what the market will bear" doesn't make much sense. So, how about this..... What did your customer do when you told them $150? Did they jump back and look at you like you were crazy, or did they say "OK" without batting an eye? If you got either one of these reactions, you probably need to adjust your method for preparing estimates accordingly. If they simply winced, then asked if the pattern could be simplified, or tried to negotiate, then you're probably where you ought to be. For an 18" diameter circle (with limited knowledge on the pattern) I would give them a range of $150-$300, then start showing them where the costs are coming from in the pattern, ie, intricut cuts, bevels, jewels, etc. If it's truly a labor intensive pattern (or has expensive glass, etc), then hold your price toward the upper end. If it's and easy pattern using hobby glass, then cut them a better deal. As far as pricing is concerned, it's mostly a matter of how hungary I am. If I have a good backlog, I price things kinda high and I figure if I win at least half the bids that I put out there, then I'm doing OK. But, if it's been kinda slow, then I need to drop my prices a bit to stay busy. Sorry to be elusive here, Mike, but pricing isn't easy for anyone. It takes experience, and if you feel that you have bid something low, then eat your pride, get the damn thing done and move on quickly as you can. Hope this helps, Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 06:16:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:15:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: rrcc.mb.ca!tbottrell From: Terry Bottrell To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: (no subject) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:13:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.21325.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove me from your mailing list. Thanks. Terry Bottrell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 06:54:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:54:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Moved-Survived ????? Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:53:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.45314.0> References: <<1997Nov3.19147.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have survived my move, (me, my studio, my birds) now to get unpacked. > My mail must have bounced, and dropped me from the bungi.com list, while > my server was being re-routed. All I'm getting is ArtMetal list. So if > I missed anything interesting let me know. I may have missed personal > mail also-so if a message to me bounced-I'm back on line. Same e-mail > address, so send again. > > leestat7@home.com > > I just resubscribed using the 'auto-mailer' and that will get the list > mail going again. > > Best to all, and hope not to move again for a long, long time. My > bruises have bruises. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that was probably the cause for a those triple messages alot of people were getting. i hav'nt recieved any in awhile so i guess that was it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 07:03:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:03:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.529.0> References: <<1997Nov4.15824.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mike peck wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > today a co-worker came up to me and asked if they could build a project > > for them. although i heard all sorts of methods of pricing, estimating > > something before it's built is a bit more tricky. i gave her a price of > > $150.00. this is what the panel would be: > > > > > based on this, what kind of price wuod you give? and does my price sound > > too high or fair? > > > > Mike, > > There have been a lot of comments on this already, as you know, so > rehashing the "per sq ft" method vs "what the market will bear" doesn't > make much sense. So, how about this..... What did your customer do when > you told them $150? Did they jump back and look at you like you were > crazy, or did they say "OK" without batting an eye? If you got either > one of these reactions, you probably need to adjust your method for > preparing estimates accordingly. If they simply winced, then asked if > the pattern could be simplified, or tried to negotiate, then you're > probably where you ought to be. > > For an 18" diameter circle (with limited knowledge on the pattern) I > would give them a range of $150-$300, then start showing them where the > costs are coming from in the pattern, ie, intricut cuts, bevels, jewels, > etc. If it's truly a labor intensive pattern (or has expensive glass, > etc), then hold your price toward the upper end. If it's and easy > pattern using hobby glass, then cut them a better deal. > > As far as pricing is concerned, it's mostly a matter of how hungary I > am. If I have a good backlog, I price things kinda high and I figure if > I win at least half the bids that I put out there, then I'm doing OK. > But, if it's been kinda slow, then I need to drop my prices a bit to > stay busy. > > Sorry to be elusive here, Mike, but pricing isn't easy for anyone. It > takes experience, and if you feel that you have bid something low, then > eat your pride, get the damn thing done and move on quickly as you can. > > Hope this helps, > > Mike Peck > Summit Stained Glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i know pricing is a pain, but i don't do it on the fly much. she does stained glass herself. she says for over 20 years, but on and off. she figured i could get it done alot faster than she could, and then panel is going in her sisters store front window. she did'nt seem to jump at the price but accepted it. my guess is that she is'nt the one paying for it. and since i work for a company that is constantly buying $90 pens, and thousands of dollars worth of crystal, she may be able to absorb the price more quickly. my pricing method was about $4 per piece, and the rounding it off. if you can picture the panel, it looks like the US view of the world. with the numbers 911 zooming out of it (it's a recycled materials store). though since the countries are quite lumpy they would need the bandsaw treatment. originally i was going to charge $120. but as i pulled out the tape measure, that price did'nt seem relevant... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 07:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:19:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaly From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Patterns or picture of wolf (head/shoulder view) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 07:19:57 -0800 Message-ID: <9711048786.AA878656806@sf-mail.mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol, Contact Sherri Pierce, Pzaz Glass Studios, Petaluma, CA (Phone: 707 763-6220). e-mail address: sherrip@iscweb.com Also has a web page: http://www.artglassworld.com/studio/pzaz/ Mary Ellen is her assistant. Sherri has a pattern book available - Expressions in Glass. Recently has been doing quite a few designs re endangered species. I was in her shop last month when she had just finished a stunning wolf (shoulder/head view). Eyes were amazing. At that time she was going to send the pattern, picture of finished work, etc. into Stain Glass Quarterly. Give her a call, great artist, great shop! Suzanne Haley ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Paterns or picture of wolf Author: at Internet Date: 11/3/97 5:03 PM Hi : From another lurker! A little nervous about sending this request, as I am am quite computer illiterate. Would anyone know where I could find a wolf pattern that could be done in copper foil? Thanks in advance. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 07:31:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:31:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------300C2D2127F" Subject: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:33:11 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.33311.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------300C2D2127F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I am most pleased to announce that after 2 years of procrastination, combined with about 2 months of late night internet work, MY WEBSITE IS UP! There are many graphics that take some time to download, as it seems every stained glass related website is prone to, but if you have some time, please stop by at: http://www.summitstudio.com/ I'd be happy to have your comments (even Albert's "critical review" would be most welcome), and of course I'm anxious to link with other stained glass related sites. Thanks for visiting, Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass --------------300C2D2127F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="www.summitstudio.com" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="www.summitstudio.com" Welcome To [Image] [Image] Full Line Stained Glass Service Where Quality and Serivce always excel [Image] 657 SW 2nd Street Lee's Summit, Missouri 64063 [Image] This website describes the products and services available from Summit Stained Glass Also, presented is a company profile or history, a mini-portfolio and a Glass Link feature to take you to more sites. This website is maintained by us, and all typos and missing links are a result of our zeal to get something on the internet, while trying to refine things on the fly. Our site is still very much under construction, but it pretty much says everything we wanted to say. We will continue to post new work as it is completed, so, please visit us often. Also, much of the content on the subsequent pages is graphics so the download time may be several minutes, If you have the time, please stick around, otherwise, we'd be pleased to have you back at a later time. If you like our website, please tell us, if you don't, well, please tell us that, too! [Image] This half-round window, done in the nouveau style has Uroboros 50-29 Pink/White Ripple in the border, Spectrum 307 Feather White in the primary field, Spectrum 523.2W Sea Green Waterglass for the whips and the jewels are 40mm Gold Pink cast roses. The bevel cluster is from the Auburn Bevel Series, CK17. The pattern was modified from Carolyn Kyle's Art Nouveau by adding the bevel cluster. [Image] Thanks for stopping by, we hope you enjoy the visit! summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net. Company Profile | Services | Portfolio | Glass Links | Frames --------------300C2D2127F-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 07:43:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:42:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Hello, anyone there? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 97 08:42:05 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Nov4.32955.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > The kaleidoscope is eigth-sided just like the Montauk Point lighthouse = > and I want to put a walkway all the way around close to the top. Any = > suggestions?=20 > > - glass (too heavy and bulky looking I think).=20 > - wire (too many pieces to come loose - brackets and handrails and such) > - Maybe flat copper sheet cut to shape and tinned? > > I'm out of ideas. Why oh why do I start projects I have no idea how they = > are going to finish? i made a 3d house, and for the fence used 1/4" mesh chicken wire. how you cut the wires led to some realistic fence patterns. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 08:20:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:19:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!glass_artist From: glass_artist@juno.com (Lori J Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Copyright (long info post) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:11:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.41126.0> References: <<1997Nov3.81725.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >how does someone go about copy righting work? and how much does it >cost? > >---Mike Savad Mike... What everyone has said thus far is pretty much the truth re: the fact that you don't "have" to register your work with the copyright office for a copyright to be in effect. Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created/published. Even the little copyright symbol is optional on works created after 3/1/89...it's simply used to inform others of your intention ("Innocent Infringement" can be claimed by someone if you don't mark your work, however). Lastly, for works created after 1-1-78 the copyright lasts for 50 years after the death of it's author. Now, for what the others didn't tell you... Registration of your copyright with the U.S. copyright office isn't a requirement, but there are BIG advantages to doing so. The biggest reason is that before you can file an infringement suit against anyone, your work MUST be registered. Otherwise you cannot take court action against them. Another perk is the fact that if you win your case, the "infringer" must pay the court costs. There a number of other perks to registering, but this is the biggest IMO. Please, don't try the "poor-man's" copyright by mailing it to yourself...my lawyer recently told me it's not worth it for anything you want to protect and it won't always hold up in court. For stained glass patterns or works the cost is $20.00 per piece. I usually use the form VA. I send the form, money, and color photos or slides of the finished piece. I've copyrighted patterns by sending copies of sketches and a finished drawing. It's rather a simple procedure. Here is the info required to register a copyright...I scanned it directly from their booklet: "A. To register a work, send the following three elements in the same envelope or package to the Register of Copyrights, Copyright Office, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C. 20559: (see "Incomplete Submissions," below, for what happens if the elements are sent separately). 1.A properly completed application form; 2.A non refundable filing fee of $20* for each application [*For the fee structure for application Form SE/GROUP and Form G/DN, see the instructions for these forms]; 3.A nonreturnable deposit of the work being registered. The deposit requirements vary in particular situations. The general requirements follow. Also note the information under "Special Deposit Requirements" immediately following this section. If the work is unpublished, one complete copy or phonorecord. If the work was first published in the United States on or after January 1, 1978, two complete copies or phonorecords of the best edition. If the work was first published in the United States before January 1, 1978, two complete copies or phonorecords of the work as first published. If the work was first published outside the United States, one complete copy or phonorecord of the work as first published. B. To register a renewal, send: 1.A properly completed RE application form; and 2.A non refundable filing fee of $20 for each work. NOTE: COMPLETE THE APPLICATION FORM USING BLACK INK PEN OR TYPEWRITER. You may photocopy blank application forms: however, photocopied forms submitted to the Copyright Office must be clear, legible, on a good grade of 8-1/2 inch by 11 inch white paper suitable for automatic feeding through a photocopier. The forms should be printed preferably in black ink, head-to-head (so that when you turn the sheet over, the top of page 2 is directly behind the top of page1). Forms not meeting these requirements will be returned. Special Deposit Requirements Special deposit requirements exist for many types of work. In some instances, only one copy is required for published works, in other instances only identifying material is required, and in still other instances, the deposit requirement may be unique. The following are prominent examples of exceptions to the general deposit requirements: If the work is a motion picture, the deposit requirement is one complete copy of the unpublished or published motion picture and a separate written description of its contents, such as a continuity, press book, or synopsis. If the work is a literary, dramatic or musical work published only on phonorecord, the deposit requirement is one complete copy of the phonorecord. If the work is an unpublished or published computer program, the deposit requirement is one visually perceptible copy in source code of the first and last 25 pages of the program. For a program of fewer than 50 pages, the deposit is a copy of the entire program. (For more information on computer program registration, including deposits for revised programs and provisions for trade secrets, request Circular 61.) If the work is in a CD-ROM format, the deposit requirement is one complete copy of the material, that is, the CD-ROM, the operating software, and any manual(s) accompanying it. If the identical work is also available in print or hard copy form, send one complete copy of the print version and one complete copy of the CD-ROM version. For information about group registration of serials, request Circular 62. In the case of works reproduced in three-dimensional copies, identifying material such as photographs or drawings is ordinarily required. Other examples of special deposit requirements (but by no means an exhaustive list) include many works of the visual arts, such as greeting cards, toys, fabric, oversized material (request Circular 40a); video games and other machine-readable audiovisual works (request Circular 61 and ML-387); automated databases (request Circular 65); and contributions to collective works. If you are unsure of the deposit requirement for your work, write or call the Copyright Office and describe the work you wish to register." I can email anyone a copy of form VA in a pdf format or you can obtain them (along with other forms) from the Copyright office's website. They will even mail you some forms. Hope all this helps, LJ ________________________________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design Handcrafted & unique stained glass gift items ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 10:06:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:04:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: craftnetwork.com!petem From: "Pete Mitchell" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Paterns or picture of wolf Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:03:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.8340.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I too have been unable to find a wolf pattern. I'd like to know if anyone >finds one as well. >THanks Three wolf patterns found on the pattern search at www.stainedglassbiz.com are: Southwest Serenade (wolf, cactus, moon) by Suzanne Cooper in the book Bevel Boutique. There's a baying Wolf in the book Radiance and Reflections, and a southwest style wolf by Gloria Fohr in the book Southwest Expressions as well. Hope this helps. Pete ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 12:41:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:40:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Web pages... Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:12:28 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.191228.0> References: <<1997Nov3.122349.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1997Nov3.122349.0@?>, "M. Savad" writes > > >how does someone go about copy righting work? and how much does it cost? > >---Mike Savad > Mike, There is no cost to copyright work. All you must do is sign and date your designs in a way that cannot be altered (eg. ink) and store them. They then are the record for any claims of infringement of copyright. Of course, someone can use your basic design and make some alterations, acknowledge the original idea is yours, and they are ok (subject to legal opinion, of course!) Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 13:19:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:19:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: estimating a price Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:18:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.111821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike: I would have guestimated $250 - 290 for that job with the Superman-type letters. I arrived at that price by estimating the square inches, then multiplying that by an artistic 'fudge factor' which runs from .75 for low-cost glass & straight cuts, up to about 1.5 for bandsaw work, original complex designs, etc. Just my $.02 worth. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 13:20:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:19:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: wolf picture or pattern Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:18:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.111826.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Carol: >We are trying to find a pattern of a wolf face or full body. Have not sent to this group before. Hope I am doing things correctly. Carol< Carol: I have a wolf portrait (head & shoulders, face foreward) pattern I drew a few years ago. I've done it in both brown timber wolf and white/grey Arctic wolf type glass, with and without borders. Send a private email for more info: Ensembles@compuserve.com Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 13:42:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Different Glass Types Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.114010.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike- Thank's for the reply to Glenn - I hadn't gotten the Kokomo info together yet because the school usually just rents it from Royalty STained Glass here in town. Spectrum's video is pretty good, too, though not quite as entertaining. Bullseye's video is THE worst! All IMNSHO! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 13:42:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Moved-Survived ????? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:39:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.113948.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lee! Welcome back! I was starting to worry about you. We've been pretty active for the last ten days or so here on bungi. Have fun getting reorganized and join the conversation soon!:-) Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 13:43:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:40:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Reusche & Co Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.11404.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rojean, Reusche moved from New Jersey to Greeley, CO, oh, about a year or so ago. Much to our delight since we are in Colorado and specialize in glass painting! Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 13:56:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:55:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: to pj and Paul on your Website and your work Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:54:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711042154.QAA19027@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I just visited your web site and was impressed by your beautiful work. I >recently attended a wedding at M'kor Shalom and i was just thunderstruck by >the magnificent stained glass windows........the colors were breathtaking! I >have never before seen such beautiful use of color and design! Imagine >finding out that it was done by one of our Bungi contributors.....just wish >everyone here could see the windows! They are magnificent !! >---- Thanks for the wonderful comments. "The Source" located at Congregation M'Kor Shalom was a sheer pleasure to design and create. Paul and I have been quite blessed with some of the commissions we have been asked to create. Mkor was one of them. At a time when the congregation itself was going through some pretty heady stuff............"The Source" became a strenghth . The main window and each of the fourteen side panels all were fabricated with Lambert glass. (My personal favorite). We added the dichroic in the main panel as to add the every changing color . People actually change seats in the sanctuary just so they can view the work from all angles. It is never the same. We have yet to complete another eight windows in the main and the main entryway. Those are things to come. The above comment is the reason we do the things we do. And create the work we do. And most of all live the life we do. And we are definitely greatful. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 14:03:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:01:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:00:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711042200.RAA19397@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Christie wrote, >Mike: > >I would have guestimated $250 - 290 for that job with the >Superman-type letters. I arrived at that price by estimating >the square inches, then multiplying that by an artistic 'fudge >factor' which runs from .75 for low-cost glass & straight cuts, >up to about 1.5 for bandsaw work, original complex designs, >etc. Just my $.02 worth. > I was wondering about the artistic 'fudge factor' which runs from .75 for low-cost glass ..............was that for real? I was just wondering? my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 14:06:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:05:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: a site i found Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:03:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711042203.RAA19569@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike wrote, >i'll probably be putting this one on my links list. it has quite a bit >of stuff in it. i suggest to to the site map to navigate, it's a little >hard to find anything otherwise.. > >http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html > Thanks for that one MIke....the metaphysical information was enlightening. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 15:48:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:47:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: ANLGlass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:47:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov4.13470.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-04 08:57:26 EST, you write: << If it's and easy pattern using hobby glass, then cut them a better deal. >> Nothin' I like better than a good pun! LOL ... - Marilyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 16:34:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:31:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: a site i found Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:31:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199711050031.AAA06891@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike (Savad) Thanks for sharing this interesting site with us. John in NZ sounds quite a guy! Like PJ I was intrigued by the esoterical elements. Hope we might hear more from him in Bungi Group Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK i'll probably be putting this one on my links list. it has quite a bit of stuff in it. i suggest to to the site map to navigate, it's a little hard to find anything otherwise.. http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 16:34:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: estimating a price Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:31:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199711050031.AAA06894@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike & Christie, Having seen Mike's WEB-page, knowing the quality of his work, knowing what I could expect from him if I asked HIM to do a commission for me (in the way he is as a guy & artist); I TOTALLY agree with you Christie. Mike, you are underselling yourself!!! My guestimate (translated into UK currency) was almost identical with Christie's! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Christie wrote: I would have guestimated $250 - 290 for that job with the Superman-type letters. I arrived at that price by estimating the square inches, then multiplying that by an artistic 'fudge factor' which runs from .75 for low-cost glass & straight cuts, up to about 1.5 for bandsaw work, original complex designs, etc. Just my $.02 worth. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 16:35:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:31:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199711050031.AAA06898@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, Mike (Peck), I think I was visitor no. 90! Well done! Nice site. Didn't take as long time to down load as I feared it might. Like it! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK I am most pleased to announce that after 2 years of procrastination, combined with about 2 months of late night internet work, MY WEBSITE IS UP! There are many graphics that take some time to download, as it seems every stained glass related website is prone to, but if you have some time, please stop by at: http://www.summitstudio.com/ I'd be happy to have your comments (even Albert's "critical review" would be most welcome), and of course I'm anxious to link with other stained glass related sites. Thanks for visiting, ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 16:37:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:31:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Moved-Survived ????? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:31:10 +0000 Message-ID: <199711050031.AAA06901@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey, Lee, Laylah, Welcome Back. Sure missed you! Tell us about your new set-up, new studio and all the bruises on bruises!! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK (who will talk to you off-group very soon!) ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 16:51:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:50:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:51:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199711050050.SAA02241@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Hi All, > > I am most pleased to announce that after 2 years of procrastination, > combined with about 2 months of late night internet work, MY WEBSITE IS > UP! > > There are many graphics that take some time to download, as it seems > every stained glass related website is prone to, but if you have some > time, please stop by at: > > http://www.summitstudio.com/ > > I'd be happy to have your comments (even Albert's "critical review" > would be most welcome), and of course I'm anxious to link with other > stained glass related sites. > > Thanks for visiting, > > Mike Peck > Summit Stained Glass Looks great to me Mike! I've been trying to find time to do one myself... Why arent there just a few more hours in the year?? Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 17:41:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:40:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: a site i found Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:40:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov4.15407.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike: Tried that URL and couldn't get thru to the sight.....Lavergne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 17:48:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:47:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:47:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov4.154747.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, I totally agree with Christie and Toby, that you under estimate your self and the value of your work. I have visited your site and your work is excellent from what I can see and IMHO you need to take a closer look at your time invested and your artistic value, bottom line you need to charge more for your work.Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 18:13:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:12:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:12:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov4.161217.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi again Mike,I just wanted to tell you that I visited that site from New Zealand that you posted and was very impressed, He has accomplished much, someone that can truely be looked to for inspiration, not only for his glassworks but also for his positive outlook on life. Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 18:44:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: a site i found Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.164233.0> References: <<1997Nov4.15407.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LByrne21@aol.com wrote: > > Mike: Tried that URL and couldn't get thru to the sight.....Lavergne > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, here it is again http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html maybe it got messed up somewhere along the line... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 18:45:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:45:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:43:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.164350.0> References: <<1997Nov4.161217.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Beveler4@aol.com wrote: > > Hi again Mike,I just wanted to tell you that I visited that site from New > Zealand that you posted and was very impressed, He has accomplished much, > someone that can truely be looked to for inspiration, not only for his > glassworks but also for his positive outlook on life. Beveler4@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so far out of the things i saw there, my favorites are the tiger, and the battle chess board. though i never heard of battle chess before (or at least not a board configured like that one). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 18:52:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:51:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:51:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov4.165126.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, I thoroughly enjoyed your web site. I think that you do some fine work and am looking forward to your future updates to the site. I know that you probably are wondering who I am, I have been a lurker on bungi for quite some time and an occasional commentor,and I tend to agree with many of your comments .Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 19:05:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:05:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Question about temperature Date: Tue, 4 Nov 97 22:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <199711050304.WAA10538@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, One of my students has renovated a greenhouse on her property for working in glass and will be having trouble keeping it heated. Her initial thoughts were to heat it only when she's using it (maybe two or three times a week), since it's an electric heater and quite expensive. She is wondering if the constant cold, with occasional heat, will damage her stored glass, and/or the projects she is working on. We are in Pennsylvania and it could get quite cold. Can anyone help? Thanks! Suzanne Albright suzydotcom "A thing of beauty is a joy forever." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 19:31:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:29:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:29:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov4.172931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Bungi group. I have a wonderful way of making patterns (cartoons) for my stained glass pieces. Last year I went for a routine x-ray and asked the technicion if she could give me her scrap x-rays that were to be discarded. Surprisingly she said yes. I've been using scrap x-ray sheets ever since. some have some visual x-rays but you just ignore it and using a sharp pen, trace your cartoon and cut it out with a scissors or a pattern scissors. These pieces seem to last indefinitely. The film is thicker than what you would purchase in a supply store and best yet, it's FREE. Some of the film is transparent which poses no problems but, other sheets are opaque and then I use saral tracing paper and cut the pattern out. Either way, I use all of the different shades of film I receive from the radiology office. Hope this has been of some help to you, as for me it is a perfect solution for making my pattern pieces. Bubstah@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 20:20:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:19:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: a site i found Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:08:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971105030837.00689030@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just tried the site (for the second time), no problem at all. You must have encountered a temporary problem. Do try again, it's well worth the effort. Thanks Mike, for letting us know about this one. Rojean rogert@matnet.com Alaska ---------------- At 09:42 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >LByrne21@aol.com wrote: >> >> Mike: Tried that URL and couldn't get thru to the sight.....Lavergne >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >well, here it is again http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html maybe >it got messed up somewhere along the line... > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making >Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain >Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, >Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 20:32:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:30:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Suzanne re:hot & cold Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:25:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov4.12254.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Suzanne Re the greenhouse. Ordinary glass is very resistant to heat and cold = under most conditions, and stained glass is fairly resistant, but it = does have the factor of varying degrees of annealing and composition = that could make it vulnerable to the occasional stress crack from the = hot and cold. The cold could make it more brittle, difficult to cut and = break. The temperature change from cold to hot could cause stress = related breaks in a project (especially copper foil) due to the tight = fit of the pieces and expansion. My advice, if she must use this place = under these conditions, that she maintain a temp of just above freezing, = preheat the area and supplies before using the area so that the supplies = reach room temperature before she uses them. A tarp over the greenhouse = during colder weather could help keep the temp a little higher in the = greenhouse when it is not in use. Projects I would think would fare = better if brought inside for storage. These suggestions may error on the = cautious side but I have never tried working under these conditions and = maybe someone else can give advice from actual experience. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 4 21:02:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:01:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Question about temperature Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:58:25, -0500 Message-ID: <199711050458.XAA12814@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susanne wrote: Hi All, One of my students has renovated a greenhouse on her property for working in glass and will be having trouble keeping it heated. Her initial thoughts were to heat it only when she's using it (maybe two or three times a week), since it's an electric heater and quite expensive. She is wondering if the constant cold, with occasional heat, will damage her stored glass, and/or the projects she is working on. We are in Pennsylvania and it could get quite cold. Can anyone help? Thanks! Suzanne Alright Bob writes, The cold will have no effect on the composition of the glass as is demonstrated in very old glass that has been subjected to many seasons of temperature change. That's the good part. In my experience cold glass does not cut well. Glass even at 50'F seems to not reliably follow score lines. If I had my ideal all my glass would be heated through to about 100'F. Next, foil likes to be warm to stick well. Next, soldering cold glass is a good way to thermal shock it & breakage is far more likely. Next, I suspect that many common chemicals used in SG will not work well at lower temperatures. I like my patinas warm when using. Next, putty works into the leads better & sets up quicker when it is warm & the spirit can everaporate. Need I say more! A cold studio is not a suitable work place. If heated, it will be necessary to ensure that the above items have had time to come up to adequate temperature. In the case of glass this can take perhaps several hours. You can be sure that I look for reasons to run my kilns more in the cooler weather here in southern California and still run into problems cutting glass on some days. As a practical solution to the problem, a bit of forethought could have the necessary supplies for a days work stored overnight in a warm house and then transferred to the newly heated studio. Thankful for my geography, Bob Overheard recently, *If the Pilgrims had landed in California, New England would still be a wilderness.* And me born & raised in Rhode Island. ____ Bob Duchesneau (stained glass, beveling, fusing & bending) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 02:18:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:17:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:16:38 +0000 Message-ID: <199711051017.KAA31931@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How modest of you Byron, I am a "greedy-guts", I want at least another 24 hours to each DAY! ;-) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Looks great to me Mike! I've been trying to find time to do one myself... Why arent there just a few more hours in the year?? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 03:17:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 03:17:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Window Caulking, cross-crafting Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:52:24 +0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.195224.0> References: <<1997Nov4.111821.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Gidday from Australia! I'm on a candles list in USA (in fact, I create and maintain the FAQ for the list) and recently a question has come up about 'window caulking' which used to be utilised - in extremely small quantities - as a sealant at the top of candle moulds, around the wick area, to prevent the hot wax dripping out after pouring. The enquirer said that this product doesn't seem to be available these days (silicone is what she was offered instead - which won't do the job). I'm just wondering - *is* window caulking still available? Could/would it have to be made up in some way? All ideas and info much appreciated! -- TIA and Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft Psst! Ask about joining CraftsPages perpetual Craft Fair! Pass It On! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 06:23:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:22:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.22425.0> References: <<1997Nov4.165126.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Beveler4@aol.com wrote: > > Mike, I thoroughly enjoyed your web site. I think that you do some fine work > and am looking forward to your future updates to the site. I know that you > probably are wondering who I am, I have been a lurker on bungi for quite some > time and an occasional commentor,and I tend to agree with many of your > comments .Beveler4@aol.com > ---- Thanks for your comments. It's especially nice to see that something was worthwhile enough to bring out comments from a "lurker". Please consider participating more often on the bungi line so we can get to know you. I first announced my website to the bungi group and, so far, I've gotten almost 100 hits. I've also received a lot of requests to link-up so I think that is very positive. Just a few that don't like the black background, but that's because they're artists, they want color! Well, I wanted color too, but I couldn't find anything (IMHO) that highlighted the pictures better than the black, so ........ I WILL play with it some more, but for now, the black stays! Thanks again for commmenting, and I hope to see some more of you on bungi. Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 06:50:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:50:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: estimating a price Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.44855.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by pj: >I was wondering about the artistic 'fudge factor' which runs from .75 for low-cost glass ..............was that for= real? I was just wondering?< For real? Yes. But not just for low-cost glass, as I might have implied= =2E It's more for pricing same size patterns which are simple versus patterns which require quite a lot more time to do. Sorry if I confused people with my 'artistic fudge factor'. If you have a different pricing scheme, I would love to read about it! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 06:51:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:50:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Question about temperature Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:49:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.4492.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I wouldn't think the temperature changes would effect glass storage. However, try cutting cold Tiffany reproduction glass, such as Youghiogeny, and you can end up with lots of wasted $$$ on the floor. Make sure she warms up the glass prior to cutting. When I was doing my glass work in the basement (and I also live in Pennsylvania) I had a portable oil-filled electric radiant heater. I would lay the glass atop or leaning up against it (size dependant) to warm it up just prior to cutting. This made all the difference in the world during winter. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 06:54:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Question about temperature Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:51:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.45150.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: suzanne albright To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 10:28 PM Subject: Question about temperature >Hi All, > >One of my students has renovated a greenhouse on her property for working >in glass and will be having trouble keeping it heated. > >Her initial thoughts were to heat it only when she's using it (maybe two >or three times a week), since it's an electric heater and quite expensive. Bob's answer was succinct and to the point! My engineering based reaction would be to carry the renovation farther by insulating the walls and roof (especially the roof). This may entail some structural changes but the cost would be partially offset by savings in heating cost. Other than that, the choice looks like working only when the weather permits! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 07:01:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:00:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.45922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! >Beveler4@aol.com wrote: >> >> Mike, I thoroughly enjoyed your web site. I think that you do some fine work >> and am looking forward to your future updates to the site. I know that you >> probably are wondering who I am, I have been a lurker on bungi for quite some >> time and an occasional commentor,and I tend to agree with many of your >> comments .Beveler4@aol.com >> ---- > >Thanks for your comments. It's especially nice to see that something >was worthwhile enough to bring out comments from a "lurker". Please >consider participating more often on the bungi line so we can get to >know you. > This lurker also enjoyed your site. Very impressive! Since I am only a hobbyist (but dedicated), it's good to see what those who make a living with the art really do. IMHO, I would like to see some indication of the size of the works pictured. Thanks for the site which I have bookmarked. Herb Adler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 08:02:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:00:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.5597.0> References: <<1997Nov4.172931.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bubstah@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Bungi group. I have a wonderful way of making patterns (cartoons) for > my stained glass pieces. Last year I went for a routine x-ray and asked the > technicion if she could give me her scrap x-rays that were to be discarded. > Surprisingly she said yes. I've been using scrap x-ray sheets ever since. > some have some visual x-rays but you just ignore it and using a sharp pen, > trace your cartoon and cut it out with a scissors or a pattern scissors. > These pieces seem to last indefinitely. The film is thicker than what you > would purchase in a supply store and best yet, it's FREE. > Some of the film is transparent which poses no problems but, other sheets are > opaque and then I use saral tracing paper and cut the pattern out. Either > way, I use all of the different shades of film I receive from the radiology > office. > > Hope this has been of some help to you, as for me it is a perfect solution > for making my pattern pieces. > > Bubstah@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i've used 3-M transparency sheets and cover sheets. every so often they send me some free samples, along with a card for more free samples, and it's kind of endless... anyway, i've used the things (acetate basically), for covering my paper pattern so it does'nt get wet. and for the odd pattern as well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 08:04:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:02:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: a site i found - another one Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.6112.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19971105030837.00689030@primary.matnet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tyler, Roger D. wrote: > > Just tried the site (for the second time), no problem at all. You must have encountered a temporary problem. Do try again, it's well worth the effort. > > Thanks Mike, for letting us know about this one. > Rojean > rogert@matnet.com > Alaska > ---------------- > > At 09:42 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: > >LByrne21@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Mike: Tried that URL and couldn't get thru to the sight.....Lavergne > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > >well, here it is again http://www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html maybe > >it got messed up somewhere along the line... > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making > >Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain > >Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, > >Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have another one. http://www.frontpagenow.com/stainedglass/indexpag.htm he has nice work, but the photo's are quite huge and need editing. but the work is pretty good. BTW the site is really slow do to the giagantic graphics, all interlased all above 120k a piece. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 08:08:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:07:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Window Caulking, cross-crafting Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:05:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.6532.0> References: <<1997Nov5.195224.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melanie Dunstan wrote: > > Gidday from Australia! > > I'm on a candles list in USA (in fact, I create and maintain the FAQ for > the list) and recently a question has come up about 'window caulking' > which used to be utilised - in extremely small quantities - as a sealant > at the top of candle moulds, around the wick area, to prevent the hot > wax dripping out after pouring. > > The enquirer said that this product doesn't seem to be available these > days (silicone is what she was offered instead - which won't do the > job). I'm just wondering - *is* window caulking still available? > Could/would it have to be made up in some way? All ideas and info much > appreciated! > -- TIA and Catcha > Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia > Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft > Psst! Ask about joining CraftsPages perpetual Craft Fair! Pass It On! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's are quite a few caulks out there. i don't think it's called window caulk. try looking for Phenoseal i think that's the right spelling. phenoseal flexes with hot and cold and does'nt dry out as fast. you could also try bathroom and tile caulk, roof caulk, driveway caulk, and i think there's even a sidewalk caulk, along with the type for pools, and fire protection (elasomeric caulk, it's red and stains everything). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 08:11:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:10:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.6919.0> References: <<1997Nov5.22425.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mike peck wrote: > > Beveler4@aol.com wrote: > > > > Mike, I thoroughly enjoyed your web site. I think that you do some fine work > > and am looking forward to your future updates to the site. I know that you > > probably are wondering who I am, I have been a lurker on bungi for quite some > > time and an occasional commentor,and I tend to agree with many of your > > comments .Beveler4@aol.com > > ---- > > Thanks for your comments. It's especially nice to see that something > was worthwhile enough to bring out comments from a "lurker". Please > consider participating more often on the bungi line so we can get to > know you. > > I first announced my website to the bungi group and, so far, I've gotten > almost 100 hits. I've also received a lot of requests to link-up so I > think that is very positive. Just a few that don't like the black > background, but that's because they're artists, they want color! Well, > I wanted color too, but I couldn't find anything (IMHO) that highlighted > the pictures better than the black, so ........ I WILL play with it some > more, but for now, the black stays! > > Thanks again for commmenting, and I hope to see some more of you on > bungi. > > Mike > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the other thing about a black backround is this: in order for the words to show up they have to be white. but if someone wants to print something, at least in netscape anyway, the words stay white. which means blank paper comes out... besides i never liked very colorfull backgrounds anyway, on some you could never read anything, because it tends to be distracting. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 08:48:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:47:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:42:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.44223.0> References: <<1997Nov4.172931.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk Most art supply stores have mylar sheet used mostly for drafting. It works great for patterns you want to use again and again, I've never worn one out. Mike Barr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 09:28:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:27:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tillamook.k12.or.us!SteveM From: Steve Matthies To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: looking for info Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:27:53 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I took a tiffany reproduction lamp in for repairs, something had fallen on it during storage and about 1/3 of it has to be rebuilt. It is not dated, but it is tagged as being done by "Sun Studios, Santa Barbara Ca." Evidently they are no longer in business, at least in that area,as all my searches have come up empty. Has anyone ever heard of them ? I have been able to match most all the glass except a light green opal. It is rather thick, and has a texture/pattern of corduroy. No one here that has seen it can identify it, nor have I seen anything in a catalog or such that is even close. Any ideas / suggestions ? Thanks :} Steve Matthies North Coast Glassworks Tillamook, OR Stevem@Tillamook.k12.or.us ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 11:12:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:11:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: looking for info Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:07:17, -0500 Message-ID: <199711051907.OAA19432@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike Matthies writes in part: I have been able to match most all the glass except a light green opal. It is rather thick, and has a texture/pattern of corduroy. No one here that has seen it can identify it, nor have I seen anything in a catalog or such that is even close. Any ideas / suggestions ? Thanks :} Bob writes, I am not sure how extensive your search has been. Have you sent a sample to a major glass retailer? Could it be Uroboros ripple 51-78, light green with spring green? Once you have exhausted your search, you might try this. Match the color and opacity & then have a glass studio that does kiln work add the texture. A mold or plaster of paris impression is made of the old glass & your new glass slumped onto it to achieve the texture. Should cost a few bucks but may be necessary as a final resort. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (stained glass, beveling, fusing & bending) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 11:52:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:51:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Green corduroy Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:29:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.22922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a light even green opal, older stuff, that I would call more a = ripple? than corduroy (but not drapery), can you give a more precise = description? Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 13:17:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:13:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: pattern paper Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > i've used 3-M transparency sheets and cover sheets. every so often they > send me some free samples, along with a card for more free samples, and > it's kind of endless... anyway, i've used the things (acetate > basically), for covering my paper pattern so it does'nt get wet. and > for the odd pattern as well. I also use 3M transparency sheets, but I use the ones for overhead projectors that can be printed on with a bubble jet printer. Coupled with a neat shareware program called DeltaCAD, I can design my pattern on my computer screen, print it any size that I want by adjusting the settings in the print dialog and then print 2 copies, one on plain paper for my cartoon, one on the transparency sheets for my pattern pieces. This program is good at spanning multiple pages automatically and having the lines match up. Sometimes you have to do a little assembly with tape or rubber cement when the edge of a sheet occurs in the middle of a piece. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 15:52:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:51:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCEA13.9D367000" Subject: RE: Question about temperature Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:52:10 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.115210.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCEA13.9D367000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wondering if the constant cold, with occasional heat, will damage=20 her stored glass, and/or the projects she is working on. We are in=20 Pennsylvania and it could get quite cold. Having just completed "winterizing" my studio ( which is a separate = building with sky lights) I might share some of the things I was told to = consider. Living in Minnesota the temps are probably more severe than in = PA. but I was told to pick a heating system that would be efficent to = run at a minimum of 52 degrees, warming to room temp when in use, as a = rapid increase in temp. would cause considerable condensation problems. = This concerned me as I wouldn't want my expensive tools being exposed to = rust problems, to say nothing of the grinders,saws,etc being exposed to = any kind of freezing being that they are used with water. We have snow on the ground already but no below zero temps yet and so = far so good....no condensation. I am also using it as a place to = "winter" all of my geraniums and it is in itself a mini-greenhouse. Sure = perks one up on a dreary, dark day. 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Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:15:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060008.TAA08707@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I am most pleased to announce that after 2 years of procrastination, > combined with about 2 months of late night internet work, MY WEBSITE IS > UP! > I'd be happy to have your comments (even Albert's "critical review" > would be most welcome), and of course I'm anxious to link with other > stained glass related sites. Albert critical? Moi? No, I only say nice things any more and I check my facts thrice before inserting foot into mouth. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 16:09:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:08:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Ulp! Big error on my part Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:15:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060008.TAA08664@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, all: It's been pointed out to me that I was wrong, wrong, wrong both in attitude and fact on my recent glib trashing of Art Glass World, saying that its most recent supporter, Gemini Saw, was also owned by the owner of Art Glass World. It wasn't true and Gemini's owner, Jessy Cogswell, is owed an apology, too. Apologies all round, in fact. Next time I'll check my facts before shooting off my mouth. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 16:30:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:29:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:36:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060029.TAA09395@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I wanted color too, but I couldn't find anything (IMHO) that highlighted > the pictures better than the black, so ........ I WILL play with it some > more, but for now, the black stays! Yes, that's what I decided, too, when I started putting together the Architectural Art Glass Light Show online. To my way of thinking, black is a non-color that doesn't conflict with the glass colors. Anyway, that's my opinion, which happens to match yours, Mike. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 16:51:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:50:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: looking for info Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:49:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.14491.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Steve Matthies wrote: > > I took a tiffany reproduction lamp in for repairs, something had fallen on it > during storage and about 1/3 of it has to be rebuilt. It is not dated, but it is > tagged as being done by "Sun Studios, Santa Barbara Ca." Evidently they > are no longer in business, at least in that area,as all my searches have > come up empty. Has anyone ever heard of them ? I have been able to > match most all the glass except a light green opal. It is rather thick, and > has a texture/pattern of corduroy. No one here that has seen it can > identify it, nor have I seen anything in a catalog or such that is even > close. > Any ideas / suggestions ? > > Thanks :} > > Steve Matthies > North Coast Glassworks > Tillamook, OR > Stevem@Tillamook.k12.or.us > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that glass sounds like fabricque, a tiffany glass that has a rippled texture. it's like cloth scrunched up onto itself. the only place that i can think of to replace it is Uroboros. they have hand rolled ripples, that could match... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 17:02:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:01:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:59:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060101.BAA12651@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Actually Herb, You have a very valid point. I know many of us have just been visiting Mike Peck's site (Loooong overdue!!), but only a small handful of us actually give the measurements to our glass (and I am the FIRST Sinner!!) One of my own largest panels (not yet on my WEB-site) measures 12 ft x 8 ft in a triangle and ALL in one piece (for an indoor swimming-pool) . It took me about a year to complete and we needed a special truck and scaffolding to instal it. When I took photos of it, an internal beam obscured it so that I had to take the photo in 5 different sections, perched & roped up to bits of scaffolding about 25 feet up. (Howzat for a young girl of 50!!??) Later the customer got the architect back in to remove the offending beam..... However, it took me a year to complete, because of the amount of structural and "civil" engineering I had to consume & digest to make sure that this one-piece-monster was properly constructed, supported and mounted to stand the test of time.. Seeing it in a photo without the sizes, gives no clue about the complexity of all these considerations..... Even a small panel can often give the illusions of being quite substantial in size, when photographically reproduced, so that it does not truly reflect the intricacies and skills of small details. Thanks for rubbing my nose in this quite important fact. Will now myself try and correct this on my own web-site. Please do let us hear from you again, Herb. Kind Regards Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK This lurker also enjoyed your site. Very impressive! Since I am only a hobbyist (but dedicated), it's good to see what those who make a living with the art really do. IMHO, I would like to see some indication of the size of the works pictured. Thanks for the site which I have bookmarked. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 17:03:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:01:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:59:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060101.BAA12646@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Mike (Peck) True to form.... ever gracious. You are a real delight. I for one would feel privileged to "link" up with you. Will put you on my own link page. Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Thanks for your comments. It's especially nice to see that something was worthwhile enough to bring out comments from a "lurker". Please consider participating more often on the bungi line so we can get to know you. Thanks again for commmenting, and I hope to see some more of you on bungi. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 17:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:07:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Question about temperature Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:10:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov5.131051.0> References: <<199711050458.XAA12814@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk > Susanne wrote: > Hi All, > > One of my students has renovated a greenhouse on her property for > working > in glass and will be having trouble keeping it heated. > > Hi! A possible suggestion for heating - instead of an electric heater, perhaps she could check with someone having a greenhouse for plants in her locality and find out how much a greenhouse heater would cost to buy and operate, keeping it at a certain min. temp; also there are a number of ways to run a layer or two (far better) of plastic over the glass that keep it much warmer - one such, spring and latch is easy and inexpensive. She might want to try that even if she decides to stay with the elec. heater - it will certainly help with the temp regardless ofhow she adds it. There are lots of orchid societies in PA - would suggest she talk with someone near her who has a greenhouse for suggestions for heating - they might have additional ideas - or she can contact me. Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 17:29:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:27:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:55:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711060055.TAA04745@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Albert wrote, > >Albert critical? Moi? No, I only say nice things any more and I >check my facts thrice before inserting foot into mouth. > But Albert, What fun is that???? And besides it always nice to know that someone does it too!!! my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 17:53:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:52:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Question about temperature Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 20:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <199711060152.UAA17076@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Christie, Herb, Bob, Sue, Glenn: Thanks for all your responses about greenhouse temperature. I have forwarded them to my student and she appreciates the advice, tremendously. As do I. I'll let you know in January how it's going!! ---- Suzanne Albright suzydotcom "A thing of beauty is a joy forever." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 18:36:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:35:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:43:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060236.VAA13702@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >check my facts thrice before inserting foot into mouth. > > > But Albert, > > What fun is that???? Hmm. Wonder how I can type the "sound" of trying to talk with a size 13 in my mouth. I guess the classic: "Hmmmmfgf!" Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 5 22:08:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:06:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re:most important aspect of glass Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:53:42 Message-ID: <1997Nov6.85342.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk >Hi everyone, > >Maybe those MOST critical of others SHOULD go first! Then for some like >myself who might want to ask a question about stepping stones, which all of >the REAL stained glass artists found so amusing, can figure out where the >REAL experts of this art are coming from. > >If I had to wince following the submission of a comment, I would reconsider >my motive. > >I believe there has been a fair challenge (by the Guru man) here to put >one's money where their mouth is! Then I can fairly evaluate whether this >group is out of my league. Time to cough up the credentials. > >Sincerely, > >Lorna > >---- I'm awfully sorry folks... (I'm apologizing ahead of time!) I feel absolutely COMPELLED to speak now, as my delete finger has finally worn out with a blister on the tip from this Vicki Payne>& subsequent threads. I have had quite enough and would like to see this subject die a natural, (or unnatural and immediate!) death. I'm more than ready to hear all these wonderfully talented and incredibly knowledgeable bungians get back onto the subject of GLASS. Right Glenna? I dearly miss the usual flow, and the unity of the subject seems to have been skewed until it appears that our postings are interspersed with sniping and griping. It can be a bit of a turn-off after a while. I thank you all for your forthrightness, and ability to communicate your opinions and information, but may we please just leave Vicki grouted into the past for now? Gently and affectionately yours, V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Wanchese, NC _______ "We have this | | treasure in ( ) jars of clay..." ( ) 2cor4.7niv (_______) * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 00:50:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:49:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l.Guild.of.Glass.Artists@ns.computer.net Subject: Neon anyone? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 03:52:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199711060845.DAA20964@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The IGGA's newest Supporting Supplier, offering a 10% discount to members on all neon-working supplies, is Savage Neon in Ellicott City, Maryland. Haley Ryane is the chief high mucky-muck there and boy! does she put together a terrific set of workshops and stuff! The workshops are listed at http://www.stainedglassbiz.com under "Events," where they appear in order by date, along with everything else that's going on. So, if you've been thinking about adding neon techniques to your arts and crafts palette, check that out, as well as Save Neon's web site at http://www.savageneon.com/ Ask for a copy of their brochure ... pretty darn cool, if you ask me. Discounts on glassworking tools, equipment and supplies are now being offered by 55 different companies. Check 'em out at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm There is no charge for this service of the Guild, just benefits for the Guild's members. Enjoy! Albert Lewis ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 02:55:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:54:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l.Guild.of.Glass.Artists@ns.computer.net Subject: Oops! Yet another Supporting Supplier Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:56:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199711061049.FAA22190@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wouldn't you know? As soon as we'd sent you the info about Savage Neon, the very next envelope contained a committment from Stained Glass Warehouse in Jacksonville, Florida. Cliff Rawson, SGW's prez, very kindly offered a 10% discount to Guild members on his full line of supplies ... which covers quite a spectrum. Not only are neon supplies available, but also what you need for acid etching, books of all kinds, cutters and fusing supplies, restoration and soldering stuff, beadmaking, came, foil, doors, etching suppies, glass paint and what you need to do it, tools, chemicals, frames, patterns, sandblasting supplies ... and instructional workshops and so forth to learn how to use any and all of it ... whether you're new to glass or quite experienced. Check out Stained Glass Warehouse on http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guides.htm where they're hot-linked to the Supporting Supplier page at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm and, very soon, you'll be able to go directly to their web site at http://www.stainedglasswarehouse.com/ At the moment it's under heavy construction and you can't get past the barricades. Thanks, Cliff! We appreciate your support. Albert Lewis, Exec. Director International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 07:04:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:03:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Question about temperature Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 08:03:42 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Nov5.131051.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Susanne wrote: > Hi All, > > One of my students has renovated a greenhouse on her property for > working > in glass and will be having trouble keeping it heated. > > > > Hi! > A possible suggestion for heating - instead of an electric heater, > perhaps she could check with someone having a greenhouse for plants in > her locality and find out how much a greenhouse heater would cost to buy > and operate, keeping it at a certain min. temp; also there are a number > of ways to run a layer or two (far better) of plastic over the glass > that keep it much warmer - one such, spring and latch is easy and > inexpensive. She might want to try that even if she decides to stay > with the elec. heater - it will certainly help with the temp regardless > ofhow she adds it. There are lots of orchid societies in PA - would > suggest she talk with someone near her who has a greenhouse for > suggestions for heating - they might have additional ideas - or she can > contact me. Linn > ---- it is, after all, a greenhouse. one of the major benefits of a greenhouse is that it gets warm, and should be, given a decent amount of sun, pretty warm already. my parents live just outside of philadelphia and have a greenhouse (and growing orchids). if you contact me off bungi, i'll put you in touch with them. they have an automatic heating/cooling system that is computer controlled and they'd more than likely be willing to discuss it. or you could move to phoenix. we have an abundance of sun and heat! it'll be 85F here today. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 08:56:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Question about temperature Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:55:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov6.65514.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This does not actually relate to the greenhouse situation as much as it is just an experience that I had with a very cold winter some years ago in my studio. First let me explain that my studio is a pole barn built just for glass work, concrete floor running water and full electric facilities. I heated at that time with a kerosene heater that was sufficient while it was operating, that being the problem . One night the temp dropped to well below zero and the heater had run out of fuel trying to keep up, I was tucked comfortably under the covers. The next morning I went to the shop to find that it was freezing inside and the extreme cold had Cracked my Newcastle stone (a large stone used for smoothing in the beveling process)A very expensive lesson. I now heat with a propane furnace which so far has not given me any trouble,crossing my fingers.Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 17:24:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:22:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: Mikey Figgy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new video Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971107012359.0066c86c@netcom.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light by a fellow called Ben Hafey, recently retired big shot at Canada's own Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (the peoples' network). This video covers the entire history of leaded and stained glass from its beginnings in the Middle East to the present day. It runs an hour and a half and is chock full of unexpected segments, subjects and gems from all the masters- Tiffany, La Farge, FL Wright and Morris to name just a few. My own personal favourite (Canadian spelling, ok?!) involves the inside shots and video of the removal, restoration and replacement of a magnificent Tiffany Studio Celtic Cross from the St. Hubert Chapel (also built by Tiffany) This is the window and chapel that was recently highlighted in SGAA's Stained Glass Quarterly magazine. I don't want this to sound as if it is a commercial for the video, but it is about time that our craft/artform be shown and covered in a proper light. This can do nothing but help promote stained glass as it should be, and become the antithesis of the Vickie Payne approach to our craft. Unlike instructional videos that often get viewed once and then filed away forever I can see this as one you will watch repeatedly. Check it out! Mikey Fantasy In Glass Glassworks, 703 The Queensway, Toronto Canada M8Y 1L2 Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 18:41:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:40:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: People Like Stained Glass Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:41:59 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov6.104159.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just bought an Amish Country Cookbook from one of my bowling friends and found this in amongst the sayings throughout the book and though it might interest someone else. People are like stained glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. Bonnie Clark ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 19:47:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:47:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Advertising Budgets Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:47:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971106224733.0069d284@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well I just figured that perhaps it was time that I figured out how much I should be spending on advertising. So I thought that maybe those of you who spend money on advertising could let me know what would seem reasonable to budget in for advertising, and what I should expect to get for this money. Any help on this topic would be greatly appreciated. Robert & Jeanne Hee Sun Stained Glass P.O Box 322 Glyndon , MD 21071 jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 20:47:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:46:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!dwightj From: telusplanet.net!dwightj To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: people like stained glass Date: Thu Nov 6 20:46:36 1997 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971101123456.0068af64@mail.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Bonnie, What a wonderful metaphor! Sometimes this group gets pretty hot, but after all is said and done, the light continues to flicker. Maybe we should adopt it as our motto. Thanks for sharing. Sincerely, Lorna ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 21:22:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:21:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What's in a name/ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:04:05 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.845.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk >>LIns glass you mean? I sell their stuff today. But I just gotta one up ya >>on the try, tho'- here we go; how 'bout Ruthglass? Ever heard about them? >>How 'bout Canadian Art Glass? Or even Royal City (another great Canadian >>stained glass manufacturer)? <> >Wow that could be amazing since the Lin company went out of business about >thirty years ago. Is it the Lin company that was in Penna. that >manufactures the glass you sell? > >Nope never heard of Ruthglass.............how about Chicago Art Glass? > >my best, >pj > >---- I know absolutely for sure that the w/sale distributor in Naperville, Illinois known as "Ed Hoy's International" currently carries over 70 colors of "Lins Glass" as part of their standard stock in their most recent (1996) catalog. I believe that Hollander East carries it also, but there may be severe brain fade on my end regarding Hollander's... uh, duh..! :-& Ciao for now-- V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. _______ "But we have this treasure | | in jars of clay..." ( ) 2cor4.7niv ( ) (_______) * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 21:39:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: What's in a name/MERRY GO ROUND Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:25:36 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.82536.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk >I won $1000.00 in Reno once, I bought 25 pounds of solder,bought a $465.00 light >table and around $300.00 in Fisher flashed glass. I still haven't used it yet. >Lots of colors too. I really miss them! >Melissa > >pj friend wrote: > >> Elizabeth wrote, >> >> >Yes Sam & I too mourn the demise of merry-go-round, and treasure the ever >> >dwindling pieces we have - down to a few inches square of some colours :-( >> >> Yes we have some merry go round.....................and what about fisher? >> I happened to reside with the hoarder of all time. If there is a glass out >> there >> that was made and not in existence any more? Don't fear we have it. >>----- Glass, including flashed and crackles by A.C. Fischer Antique is currently avaialable from Ed Hoy's. Does anyone have a bit of an shade of 'turtle-green' crackle glass that they might be willing to share or part with?? I'm developing a project which really needs 'exactly that' kinda glass... (Does THAT sound familiar to anyone else out there??) ;-D V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. "Blessed are the censors... for they shall inhibit the earth!" * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 6 22:40:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:39:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: people like stained glass Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:41:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971107014130.007fe4e0@netrox.net> References: <<2.2.32.19971101123456.0068af64@mail.telusplanet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lorna wrote: >Dear Bonnie, > >What a wonderful metaphor! Sometimes this group gets pretty hot, but after >all is said and done, the light continues to flicker. Maybe we should adopt >it as our motto. Thanks for sharing. What a pretty thought! I second the suggestion! M.-J. no sig file, I 'm on the road ... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 01:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:48:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: new video Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.94615.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 20:23 06/11/97 -0500, Mikey wrote: >Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light by a >fellow called Ben Hafey. Check it out! Sounds great, Mikey, but you don't say where it came from. Have you an address or phone number please for the distributor? Thanks Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 02:28:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:27:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: new video Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:34:40 +0000 Message-ID: <199711071027.FAA22191@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: Mikey Figgy > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: new video > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:23:59 -0500 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light Sounds great! Good review, too! Where can one get a copy of the tape? Albert > Fantasy In Glass Glassworks, 703 The Queensway, Toronto Canada M8Y 1L2 > Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. I'm curious: "officially sanctioned" by which officials? A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 02:30:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:30:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l.Guild.of.Glass.Artists@ns.computer.net Subject: IGGA Online Memo Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:34:44 +0000 Message-ID: <199711071027.FAA22203@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Two bits of glass news: Nordic Art Glass, in conjunction with Orrefors Crystal, is sponsoring a glass intensive trip to Sweden during August 1998 as part of the 100th anniversary of Orrefors Crystal. Visit their web site at http://co.nbci.net/crystal or contact Bill Geary at Nordic Art Glass, P.O. Box 2247, Colorado Springs, CO 80901 or call (719) 527-0810 for a brochure. Email: NordGlass@aol.com The deadline for reserving a spot is November 15, 1997 (!) so hurry! The director of the Stained Glass Craft and Fine Arts College (Sion, Switzerland), Mr. Pierre Louy, will be in New-York during the Christmas holidays, more exactly from December 17th though January 6th. He invites anyone who would be interested in meeting him to get information about the School to make an appointment with him. You can contact him immediately at the School or, call him in New-York at (212) 262-2949 during his visit. For more information, write to him: P. Louy, Director, Ecole Superieure de Vitrail et de Creation Stained Glass Craft and Fine Arts College, Route du Manege, 51 1950 SION 4, Champsec CP 4107 Valais, Switzerland. The telephone number is (+41) 027/203 24 00. Fax: (+41) 027/203 20 76. Their web site: http://www.esvc.vsnet.ch E-mail: plouy@bluewin.ch Albert Lewis, Exec. Dir. International Guild of Glass Artists http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 03:52:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:52:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Tunkster97 From: Tunkster97@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Remove me Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:51:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov7.15150.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove me from the list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 05:32:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:32:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ibm.net!merri.wells From: "Merri Wells" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: People Like Stained Glass Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:30:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.13042.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It's beautiful!! Will definitely be using this message in my home somewhere. Thanks, Bonnie! -----Original Message----- From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 8:47 PM Subject: People Like Stained Glass >Just bought an Amish Country Cookbook from one of my bowling friends and >found this in amongst the sayings throughout the book and though it >might interest someone else. > >People are like stained glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the >sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed >only if there is a light within. > >Bonnie Clark > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 05:45:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:45:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: new video Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:45:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov7.34512.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We're carrying that new video, Walls of Light. Whoever brought it up is right, this is a pretty incredible video on the history of stained glass. Normal retail is $29.95. We are doing an intro special at $25.00 through November 15th! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 06:40:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:40:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: GlasCrafts@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Walls Of Light Video Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov7.42552.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For those of you who have expressed an interest in the new "Walls of Light" video, Glass Crafters sells it for $29.95 plus $3.00 priority mail anywhere in the US. Quantity prices for resale are also available to dealers. Please email us directly. Thank You. Glass Crafters Stained Glass, Inc. 398 Interstate Ct. Sarasota, FL 34240 1-800-422-4552 1-941-379-8333 FAX: 1-941-379-8827 GlasCrafts@aol.com http://www.glasscrafters.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 06:45:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:45:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Window Caulking, cross-crafting Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:25:58 +0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.42558.0> References: <<1997Nov5.6532.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > there's are quite a few caulks out there. i don't think it's called > window caulk. try looking for Phenoseal i think that's the right > spelling. phenoseal flexes with hot and cold and does'nt dry out as > fast. you could also try bathroom and tile caulk, roof caulk, driveway > caulk, and i think there's even a sidewalk caulk, along with the type > for pools, and fire protection (elasomeric caulk, it's red and stains > everything). > > ---Mike Savad > > -- Thanks very much, Mike, I passed the info along. Take it easy -- Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft Psst! Ask about joining CraftsPages perpetual Craft Fair! Pass It On! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 08:17:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:16:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tillamook.k12.or.us!SteveM From: Steve Matthies To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: looking for info -Reply Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:17:08 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all who responded to my plea. Mike Savad said it sounded like fabricque, a tiffany glass that has a rippled texture, like a cloth scrunched up.......bingo ! It is hard to describe exactly, slight wavy texture with rather deep rounded grooves and may have been a concoction of the studio that made it. One thing I forgot to mention was that the lamp is a waterlily repro.and this glass was used for the lily pads. It gives a striking appearance. Bullseye and Uroboros are up here in my neck of the woods. My next time over there I,ll take a sample and see if they can do me any good. Thanks again :} Steve Matthies North Coast Glassworks stevem@Tillamook.k12.or.us ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 08:18:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:17:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Advertising Budgets Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:16:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.61658.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I spend $16.50 per month on Yellow Pages advertising, $32.00 per month on two Yellow Book ads (localized Yellow Pages). I do some spot advertising in local newspapers which are running special sections and direct mailouts covering Holiday Happenings, since my shop is located in a historic town which has become somewhat of a tourist destination. This newspaper advertising for the months of November and December comes to about $150 for 3 newspapers with full-color ads, including them sending out their photographer. Hope this helps. BTW, I'm a newbie at this retail business stuff. The best responses I've gotten (when I remember to ask people where they learned about my store), are: 1.) My sign along the road (it's on a busy commuter route) 2.) Yellow Pages ad 3.) recommendations from friends who've purchased from me 4.) Newspaper/County Calendar ad 5.) Yellow Book ad Have fun! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 08:23:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:22:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: mail???? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:22:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov7.62239.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I haven't gotten mail from bungi in days.... is everyone quieted down or is my mail messed up? deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 08:37:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:37:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mail???? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 23:36:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.153648.0> References: <<1997Nov7.62239.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think it's YOUR mail hun....I've got Bungi mail comin' out my ears!!! ~Lori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 09:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!kdeck From: kdeck@juno.com (k a s) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Question about temperature Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:21:52 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov7.172152.0> References: <<199711050458.XAA12814@mime4.prodigy.com>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Susanne wrote: > Hi All, > > One of my students has renovated a greenhouse on her property for > working > in glass and will be having trouble keeping it heated. > Hi, Hit close to home on this one... Heating is the big problem. Our greenhouses were large spaces, running about 100x20 and found the heating costs to be prohibitive despite taking preventive heat loss measures. Due to the structure itself, we had to keep a constant eye on the temperature, looking up frequently for snow melt, ice dams in accordance with the weather. Put snow or cold air, on a warm glass structure, add some sun=condensation. Fans would help, but couldn't avoid the moisture...that was part of having a greenhouse. Even with careful monitoring, a rite of spring was replacing some glass. There are guidelines that deal with outside temperature ratios to thickness of glass to inside temperatures allowing her to compute the cost of heating the space. Due to the size, converting to solar heat wasn't cost effective but with a smaller space...?? Perhaps a cacti/tropical grower could steer her in in the right direction. smudge pottingly, Karen oops...no offense to those that have suggested orchid growers...just thinking of the humidity factor... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 11:21:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:19:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.9959.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for your kind comments. Since you're one of my favorite bungi writers, it was welcome indeed. -----Original Message----- From: Toby To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Website for Summit Stained Glass! > > > >Actually Herb, > >You have a very valid point. I know many of us have just been >visiting Mike Peck's site (Loooong overdue!!), but only a small >handful of us actually give the measurements to our glass (and I am >the FIRST Sinner!!) >One of my own largest panels (not yet on my WEB-site) measures 12 >ft x 8 ft in a triangle and ALL in one piece (for an indoor >swimming-pool) . It took me about a year to complete and we >needed a special truck and scaffolding to instal it. When I took >photos of it, an internal beam obscured it so that I had to take >the photo in 5 different sections, perched & roped up to bits of >scaffolding about 25 feet up. (Howzat for a young girl of 50!!??) >Later the customer got the architect back in to remove the >offending beam..... >However, it took me a year to complete, because of the amount of >structural and "civil" engineering I had to consume & digest to >make sure that this one-piece-monster was properly >constructed, supported and mounted to stand the test of time.. >Seeing it in a photo without the sizes, gives no clue about the >complexity of all these considerations..... >Even a small panel can often give the illusions of being quite >substantial in size, when photographically reproduced, so that it >does not truly reflect the intricacies and skills of small >details. >Thanks for rubbing my nose in this quite important fact. Will now >myself try and correct this on my own web-site. >Please do let us hear from you again, Herb. >Kind Regards >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > > >This lurker also >enjoyed your site. Very impressive! Since I am only a hobbyist (but >dedicated), it's good to see what those who make a living with the >art really do. IMHO, I would like to see some indication of the size >of the works pictured. Thanks for the site which I have bookmarked. > > >---- >As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" >North Lights Stained Glass - homepage >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm >---- >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 11:21:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: new video Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:06:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.961.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have mentioned this b4 but in light of Mikey's review, it's worth a repeat. The Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL) has one of the finest Tiffany Collections anywhere. They are in the process of expanding the museum so that they can display even more of their 4-6000 pieces and specifically a chapel. I can't remember the details but if you're in the Orlando area, try to budget at least 1/2 day to visit this outstanding museum. As far as I know, they do not have a web page yet. -----Original Message----- From: Mikey Figgy To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 8:37 PM Subject: new video >Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light by a >fellow called Ben Hafey, recently retired big shot at Canada's own Canadian >Broadcasting Corporation (the peoples' network). This video covers the >entire history of leaded and stained glass from its beginnings in the Middle >East to the present day. It runs an hour and a half and is chock full of >unexpected segments, subjects and gems from all the masters- Tiffany, La >Farge, FL Wright and Morris to name just a few. My own personal favourite >(Canadian spelling, ok?!) involves the inside shots and video of the >removal, restoration and replacement of a magnificent Tiffany Studio Celtic >Cross from the St. Hubert Chapel (also built by Tiffany) This is the window >and chapel that was recently highlighted in SGAA's Stained Glass Quarterly >magazine. I don't want this to sound as if it is a commercial for the video, >but it is about time that our craft/artform be shown and covered in a proper >light. This can do nothing but help promote stained glass as it should be, >and become the antithesis of the Vickie Payne approach to our craft. Unlike >instructional videos that often get viewed once and then filed away forever >I can see this as one you will watch repeatedly. Check it out! > >Mikey >Fantasy In Glass Glassworks, 703 The Queensway, Toronto Canada M8Y 1L2 >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 11:57:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:56:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "mikey friggy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: new video Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:45:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199711071955.OAA11184@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Exactly. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ---------- From: Albert Lewis To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: new video Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 12:34 AM > From: Mikey Figgy > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: new video > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:23:59 -0500 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light Sounds great! Good review, too! Where can one get a copy of the tape? Albert > Fantasy In Glass Glassworks, 703 The Queensway, Toronto Canada M8Y 1L2 > Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. I'm curious: "officially sanctioned" by which officials? A ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 11:57:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:56:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "mikey friggy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: new video Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <199711071955.OAA11197@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk While I brought the video "Walls of Light' to the attention of the Bungi group, I did not feel it proper to mention myself as an outlet to obtain the video. I would prefer the video stand on its own merit without anyone thinking it was only worthy because I/someone had something to gain from its mention in this forum. In the U.S. anyone that carries CKE Publications books should be carrying it soon (it is a Canadian product hence its availability a little earlier here in Canada) as they will be handling distribution there. Canadian customers can get it from any reputable retailer here of which we are just one of many. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ---------- From: studio@stainedglass.co.uk To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: new video Date: Friday, November 07, 1997 4:46 AM At 20:23 06/11/97 -0500, Mikey wrote: >Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light by a >fellow called Ben Hafey. Check it out! Sounds great, Mikey, but you don't say where it came from. Have you an address or phone number please for the distributor? Thanks Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 12:31:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:30:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: chat mail Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov7.103013.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk is chat mail still in existence? i was on the list but notice i haven't rec'd anything in a while. thanks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 14:36:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:35:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Advertising Budgets Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:33:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.123329.0> References: <<1997Nov7.61658.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo wrote: > > I spend $16.50 per month on Yellow Pages advertising, > $32.00 per month on two Yellow Book ads (localized > Yellow Pages). I do some spot advertising in local newspapers > which are running special sections and direct mailouts > covering Holiday Happenings, since my shop is located > in a historic town which has become somewhat of a > tourist destination. This newspaper advertising for the > months of November and December comes to about > $150 for 3 newspapers with full-color ads, including them > sending out their photographer. > > Hope this helps. BTW, I'm a newbie at this retail business > stuff. The best responses I've gotten (when I remember to > ask people where they learned about my store), are: > 1.) My sign along the road (it's on a busy commuter route) > 2.) Yellow Pages ad > 3.) recommendations from friends who've purchased from me > 4.) Newspaper/County Calendar ad > 5.) Yellow Book ad > > Have fun! > Christie A. Wood > Art Glass Ensembles > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass and of course you can't forget about being online. a good homepage, really costs nothing, for the large amount of people who could see it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 14:36:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:36:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morse Museum Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.12228.0> References: <<1997Nov7.961.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I got to stop at the Morse Museum when we were in Fla. for a few days last month. It was wonderful. A couple of pieces even had his original drawings, then a model, then the real piece. It either makes me want to try harder or give it up. Very humbling. If my daughter hadn't been there, I could have spent hours. The volunteers were very knowledgeable and eager to share what they knew. Definitely worth the $3 admission. If you are in the area, don't miss it. Jerri On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:06:01 -0500 "Herb Adler" writes: >I have mentioned this b4 but in light of Mikey's review, it's worth a >repeat. The Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL) has one of the >finest >Tiffany Collections anywhere. They are in the process of expanding the >museum so that they can display even more of their 4-6000 pieces and >specifically a chapel. I can't remember the details but if you're in >the >Orlando area, try to budget at least 1/2 day to visit this outstanding >museum. As far as I know, they do not have a web page yet. >-----Original Message----- >From: Mikey Figgy >To: glass@bungi.com >Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 8:37 PM >Subject: new video ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 14:40:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Hello, anyone there? Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.123735.0> References: <<1997Nov4.32955.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Sorry for the empty post but I have not received any bungi mail since = > All Hallow's Eve.=20 > > Is every one working too hard to speak or am I off the list? > > I worked on a lighthouse kaleidoscope last night. I'm trying to use a = > marble in the lamp area as the viewing object but by the time I put the = > roof on, it's dark in there. It may work if the viewer makes sure that = > light comes in from the side, rather than aiming the end at a light = > source. > > The kaleidoscope is eigth-sided just like the Montauk Point lighthouse = > and I want to put a walkway all the way around close to the top. Any = > suggestions?=20 > > - glass (too heavy and bulky looking I think).=20 > - wire (too many pieces to come loose - brackets and handrails and such) > - Maybe flat copper sheet cut to shape and tinned? > > I'm out of ideas. Why oh why do I start projects I have no idea how they = > are going to finish? > > Linda Campbell > =20 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, i'm having problems visualizing the marble part. but how about this for the stairs. you would need to line the side pieces up to form a spiral (up the sides of the lighthouse). then using layers of glass, stack them up like stairs, up the spiral of solder. the stairs should roughly be in scale, and still be strong enough for handling. just be sure to make the stairs short, 3/8" - 1/2" long. use a heavy guage wire for the rail and put supports evey few inches. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 14:40:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:40:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: new video Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 17:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.123844.0> References: <<1997Nov7.961.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Herb Adler wrote: > > I have mentioned this b4 but in light of Mikey's review, it's worth a > repeat. The Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL) has one of the finest > Tiffany Collections anywhere. They are in the process of expanding the > museum so that they can display even more of their 4-6000 pieces and > specifically a chapel. I can't remember the details but if you're in the > Orlando area, try to budget at least 1/2 day to visit this outstanding > museum. As far as I know, they do not have a web page yet. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikey Figgy > To: glass@bungi.com > Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 8:37 PM > Subject: new video > > >Just got in the other day a great new video called Walls of Light by a > >fellow called Ben Hafey, recently retired big shot at Canada's own Canadian > >Broadcasting Corporation (the peoples' network). This video covers the > >entire history of leaded and stained glass from its beginnings in the > Middle > >East to the present day. It runs an hour and a half and is chock full of > >unexpected segments, subjects and gems from all the masters- Tiffany, La > >Farge, FL Wright and Morris to name just a few. My own personal favourite > >(Canadian spelling, ok?!) involves the inside shots and video of the > >removal, restoration and replacement of a magnificent Tiffany Studio Celtic > >Cross from the St. Hubert Chapel (also built by Tiffany) This is the window > >and chapel that was recently highlighted in SGAA's Stained Glass Quarterly > >magazine. I don't want this to sound as if it is a commercial for the > video, > >but it is about time that our craft/artform be shown and covered in a > proper > >light. This can do nothing but help promote stained glass as it should be, > >and become the antithesis of the Vickie Payne approach to our craft. Unlike > >instructional videos that often get viewed once and then filed away forever > >I can see this as one you will watch repeatedly. Check it out! > > > >Mikey > >Fantasy In Glass Glassworks, 703 The Queensway, Toronto Canada M8Y 1L2 > >Canada's first and still its only officially sanctioned stained glass > supplier. > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's not an official homepage, but here's extra info anyway http://www.goflorida.com/central/orlando/see/museum/morse.html ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 15:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:07:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Morse Museum Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 18:05:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.13516.0> References: <<1997Nov7.12228.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > I got to stop at the Morse Museum when we were in Fla. for a few > days last month. It was wonderful. A couple of pieces even had his > original drawings, then a model, then the real piece. It either makes > me want to try harder or give it up. Very humbling. If my daughter > hadn't been there, I could have spent hours. The volunteers were very > knowledgeable and eager to share what they knew. Definitely worth the $3 > admission. If you are in the area, don't miss it. > > Jerri > > On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:06:01 -0500 "Herb Adler" > writes: > >I have mentioned this b4 but in light of Mikey's review, it's worth a > >repeat. The Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL) has one of the > >finest > >Tiffany Collections anywhere. They are in the process of expanding the > >museum so that they can display even more of their 4-6000 pieces and > >specifically a chapel. I can't remember the details but if you're in > >the > >Orlando area, try to budget at least 1/2 day to visit this outstanding > >museum. As far as I know, they do not have a web page yet. > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mikey Figgy > >To: glass@bungi.com > >Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 8:37 PM > >Subject: new video > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass do you or anyone know if they allow pictures? someday when i happen to be in florida i'll take a roll or two or three... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 7 17:32:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:31:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: scc.net!oddjob From: Reitmann To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCEBB3.EC0D4FE0" Subject: RE: Morse Museum Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:32:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov7.133237.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCEBB3.EC0D4FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do you or anyone know if they allow pictures? someday when i happen to be in florida i'll take a roll or two or three... The last time I was there, about 1 1/2 yrs. ago (before they moved into = the new location) NO pictures were allowed. They sold alot of photos = etc, pattern books, in the gift shop however. Definately a place to stop while in Florida. Gave me the same "humble" = feelings!! 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How many of us are registered with ICQ and would like to do some occassional, deliberate, live chat meetings or have an ICQ User's List for "stained glass" available on a web page? I will ask that for the sake of not cluttering the bungi list too much you might consider e-mailing me privately... Ciao for now! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd ----- ________ "But we have this treasure | | "Blessed are the censors in jars of clay..." ( ) for they shall ( ) inhibit the earth!" 2cor4.7niv (________) * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 04:51:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:49:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morse Museum Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 07:48:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.24818.0> References: <<1997Nov7.12228.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >do you or anyone know if they allow pictures? someday when i happen to >be in florida i'll take a roll or two or three... > >---Mike Savad The policy said "no pictures", but it seems like I overheard one of the volunteers talking to a visitor, and it sounded like they might let you. Maybe it depends on who you ask. I'd call ahead and ask. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 05:26:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 05:25:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: exoticauctions.com!mail From: mail@exoticauctions.com To: mail@exoticauctions.com Subject: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 08:35:25 EST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell...  or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com.   Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals.   /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from their future mailings. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 06:13:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:12:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: thezone.net!robertcrane From: robert crane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 10:40:15 -0330 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.65215.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: thezone Precedence: bulk mail@exoticauctions.com wrote: > > Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > > If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... > or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, > just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for > DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply > with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you > from their future mailings. > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassremove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 06:36:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:34:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GeeHaeb From: GeeHaeb@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:34:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov8.43453.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Remove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 09:21:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:20:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: po.cwru.edu!txh4 From: txh4@po.cwru.edu (Theodore P. Hasenstaub) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Remove Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:20:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711081720.MAA12753@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > >If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell...=A0 >or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, >just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com.=A0=A0 Exotic Auctions is an= Auction House for >DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. >=A0 >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= //// >If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please= reply=20 >with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you=20 >from their future mailings. >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///// > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 09:28:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:28:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: Sheba To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Remove Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:35:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.73541.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks! mail@exoticauctions.com wrote: > Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > > If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... > or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, > just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for > DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply > with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you > from their future mailings. > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 09:54:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:53:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Remove Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:51:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.75146.0> References: <<199711081720.MAA12753@arthur.INS.CWRU.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Theodore P. Hasenstaub wrote: > > >Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the > exotic animal market. > > > >If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to > sell...=A0 > >or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any > size or type, > >just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com.=A0=A0 Exotic Auctions is an= > Auction > House for > >DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. > >=A0 > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= > //// > >If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please= > reply=20 > >with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you=20 > >from their future mailings. > >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ///// > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you all have to be carefull what you say, or you may remove yourself from the bungi list without realizing it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 13:52:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:51:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: telusplanet.net!dwightj From: telusplanet.net!dwightj To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: remove Date: Sat Nov 8 13:50:56 1997 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971107130427.006bba00@mail.telusplanet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please remove. Thank you. Lorna ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 13:57:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: venting lamps Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 15:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.10822.0> References: <<1997Nov8.75146.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk does anyone here know if you really have to vent a lamp. i'm working on a design, that is kind of tall, 14" to maybe 20" tall at the highest point. the bottom will be fairly open. but i was thinking last night, that it might need a vent put in it somewhere. but i don't know if it's that important to vent the lamp. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 13:59:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:59:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:09:35 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.20935.0> References: <<1997Nov8.43453.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1997Nov8.43453.0@?>, GeeHaeb@aol.com writes >Remove >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass It has been suggested to me by a knowledgeable computer service person that replying to be taken off a junk mail list does exactly the opposite of what is wanted. It registers your address with the originator of the (in this case exotic animal site) message. I know this stuff is irritating, etc. but I'm not going to take the chance of giving them my address. -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 14:01:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:00:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: hotmail.com!lisacarroll From: "Lisa Carroll" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Remove Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:11:15 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov8.201115.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 14:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:22:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: looking for info Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov8.10471.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well I just spent the past 2 hours (it's Saturday afternoon) at Mike's WEBSITE. I was reading these emails when I saw his URL and decided to check it out. Mike you are a creative Genius (with maybe a touch of OCD:-) ). I can't imagine in a lifetime being able to produce what you do, you are an inspiration and motivator for me. I can't wait to get back in the basement and start working (and to think I was just reading my mail). For any of you who haven't checked it out you MUST! THanks Mike! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 15:28:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:27:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: craft shows Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 18:10:55 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov9.21055.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there have information on up-coming craft shows in the = central Florida area? We do Tiffany Reproduction lamps and other stained= glass work and would like to go to some shows. Would appreciate any inf= o anyone can give us. jc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 16:44:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:43:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 18:45:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.124551.0> References: <<1997Nov8.20935.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Steve Richard wrote: > > In message <1997Nov8.43453.0@?>, GeeHaeb@aol.com writes > >Remove > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > It has been suggested to me by a knowledgeable computer service person > that replying to be taken off a junk mail list does exactly the opposite > of what is wanted. It registers your address with the originator of the > (in this case exotic animal site) message. I know this stuff is > irritating, etc. but I'm not going to take the chance of giving them my > address. > > -- > Steve Richard Besides that, this thing came into bungi ..... it didn't come into us! Glenna has to "remove"! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 16:54:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:53:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: looking for info Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:52:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.145213.0> References: <<1997Nov8.10471.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MsChatee@aol.com wrote: > > Well I just spent the past 2 hours (it's Saturday afternoon) at Mike's > WEBSITE. I was reading these emails when I saw his URL and decided to check > it out. Mike you are a creative Genius (with maybe a touch of OCD:-) ). I > can't imagine in a lifetime being able to produce what you do, you are an > inspiration and motivator for me. I can't wait to get back in the basement > and start working (and to think I was just reading my mail). > For any of you who haven't checked it out you MUST! > THanks Mike! > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hey, thanks, very, very soon i'll be uploading the new sections. one is setting up a shop, the other my aliens section. i've also added 40 links. i'll anounce it of course.... when it's all done... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 18:23:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:22:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Swedish Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199711090222.CAA14363@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert, I bet you sat there going teehee and fully expected me to creep out from the woodwork again..... Being totally dependable - but NEVER predictable.... here I am! Being the ''token Swede'' , albeit in exile :-( , I just had to comment. (It's winter.... it's dark.... I'm home-sick.... and the UK government has just stolen another hour of day-light!! Life just is NOT fair!!) While your e-mail rolled off my screen, I clicked on the site you gave on Orrefors and found it titillating in its brevity and mouth-watering in its prospects. Even I would have loved to go on this trip - for old time's sake. As a youngster in Sweden, we were taught about the Swedish glass industry and its proud history. Part of the school outings were 2-3 long day visits to the ''glass-huts'' in the deep forrests, in the back of beyond.Translated into English, the name ''Orrefors'' meansThe Brook of the Grouse. The main glass-huts are mainly concentrated in the middle of South Sweden, in a county called Smaland. There are others elsewhere, but this is really the HEART of Swedish glass-making. Orrefors is mainly known for its fabulous crystal glass although it also makes other glass. Although Orrefors celebrates 100 years as an amalgamated share-holding company next year (it has 2 large glass making sites in different locations), that doesn't mean that Orrefors as a well-established glassmaking community is only 100 years old. It's history dates much further back than that. My price possession from Orrefors is a smokey-grey lead-crystal vase, with the most exquisite engraving of a nude girl on it (very 1920-style). It is signed by the artist and there were ever only 2 of them made. They were both given to my grand-mother by my grand-father as a wedding anniversary present. Each of them weigh approx 3.75 kg. My aunt has the other one. In my early 20's I started collecting liqueur and sherry glasses from Orrefors. They were so expensive I could only afford to buy one at a time. I now have about 9 of them. Then there is Kosta Glasbruk (also in Smaland) It's history as a Company dates back to 1741 ( not forgetting that glass-making there went on long before then) They are mainly known for their art-glass and decorative glass nowadays. My other price possession comes from Kosta. It consists of the remains of the family lead crystal glass collection dating from about 1775, and which originally started out as a set of 24 glasses of every kind , size and description you could possibly imagine, including large tumblers, small tumblers, champagne glasses, white wine flutes, small red wine goblets, large red wine goblets and so on and so on, all hand-blown and hand-cut. I think there must have originally been about 9 or 10 different types of glasses in the collection.Left to me are about 6 different types of glasses in complete sets of 7-8 of each, plus numerous odd other ones, which has enabled me to reasonably guestimate the various types. In my childhood these glasses were used when my family was required to entertain ''officially'' and special staff used to be hired to deal with the glasses alone.If one broke, it was almost a ''national tragedy''.....Funny to think that these days, what cannot be fitted into my glass cabinet in the dining-room, is now packed in old Swedish newspapers upstairs in the attic....... And I have broken one or two myself..... Boda Glasbruk is located in the southern part of Smaland in a small village with perhaps the grand total of 500 - 600 inhabitants. It has been far more aggressive in its 20th centurry international marketing and exporting than either Orrefors or Kosta (which both have really only recently caught up). Boda never specialized in lead-crystal in the same way as Orrefors and Kosta, but went for innovative, experimental and ''fun'' glass with a more universal appeal. Into their glass-making they weave a certain amount of Nordic and Viking popular myths, themes and legends that work quite well and has traditionally always been very popular in Europe. By the way, Albert, you don't happen to know the SWEDISH web-address for any of these three?? Just thought you might like to know the ''Swedish Side'' of me also. If not... sorry if I have been ranting on. Just press the ''delete'' button.. Whooosh... Gone! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Albert wrote; Nordic Art Glass, in conjunction with Orrefors Crystal, is sponsoring a glass intensive trip to Sweden during August 1998 as part of the 100th anniversary of Orrefors Crystal. Visit their web site at http://co.nbci.net/crystal or contact Bill Geary at Nordic Art Glass, P.O. Box 2247, Colorado Springs, CO 80901 or call (719) 527-0810 for a brochure. Email: NordGlass@aol.com The deadline for reserving a spot is November 15, 1997 (!) so hurry! ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 18:23:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:22:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: REMOVE the funny monkeys Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <199711090222.CAA14371@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike (Savad) ... and all VERY valid point, Mike. In fact, that's what I think LORNA has just done, without realizing it. I was quite surprised to see a very curt one word message from her into the Group. Bet you, we will soon have some wailing from her.... unless our mindful, hawk-eyed Glenna has already spotted this rather nasty spam. Just press DELETE folks, do not ''remove'', or we might lose you :-( Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK Mike wrote: > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= > //// > >If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please= > reply=20 > >with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you=20 > >from their future mailings. > >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ///// you all have to be carefull what you say, or you may remove yourself from the bungi list without realizing it. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 19:06:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:06:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sws.nb.ca!montgomery From: Montgomery To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: REMOVE the funny monkeys Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:06:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:21 09/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Mike (Savad) ... and all > >VERY valid point, Mike. In fact, that's what I think LORNA has just >done, without realizing it. >I was quite surprised to see a very curt one word message from her >into the Group. >Bet you, we will soon have some wailing from her.... unless our >mindful, hawk-eyed Glenna has already spotted this rather nasty spam. > >Just press DELETE folks, do not ''remove'', or we might lose you >:-( > >Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK > >Mike wrote: >> >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= >> //// >> >If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please= >> reply=20 >> >with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you=20 >> >from their future mailings. >> >/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >> ///// > > > > >you all have to be carefull what you say, or you may remove yourself >from the bungi list without realizing it. > > Forgive me for being blunt, but what does the above message have to do with glass? With all due respect, please send things like this to the ones who read them. It's this kind of thing that fills up people's mail boxes, so they have to go through the list deleting them all. - Jonathan <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 20:42:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:42:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:42:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov8.184210.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk remove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 20:56:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:56:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: "Well, naturally!" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Potpourri: Stones: cross-crafting Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 02:42:53 +0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.104253.0> References: <<02041115568650@sure.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Debbie Evans Braun wrote: > > The same company that made the stone set I saw made another set > with that "sea glass" stuff. I think it's just sand-blasted or > tumbled glass shards (green, blue, clear) that looks like glass > that's been weathered at the beach. They were selling about 1/4 > cup of glass or stones with about 1/2 oz. of fragrance and a 3" > diameter dish to put it in for about $35. > > You can buy a bag of sea glass at shops like Bed,Bath and > Beyond, etc... Some people use it to "mulch" a house plant, but > I think it could be used as I saw it. > ----------- Gidday Y'all on both lists; I'm copying this to the glass list because there may be someone on the glass list who is willing to supply sandblasted glass shards w/sale or retail to the potpourri list members at a reasonable price rather than the obvious daylight robbery that Deb saw. Hope I'm not committing a netiquette blunder in so doing. Deb, those prices are shocking. We are talking about little bits of glass that would otherwise go in the bin, here, I believe. Bungi listmembers, the potpourri list members use the sandblasted glass as one of the elements in the decorative mix; fragranced oils are poured on the sandblasted surface, and left to scent the air, looking mighty attractive in the process. Now I've completed the introductions, I'll fade.... but if anyone is interested and unable to reach members of the other list, please feel free to email me. -- Catcha Melanie Dunstan, in Perth, Australia Allcrafts for Unusual Crafts http://www.ozemail.com.au/~allcraft Psst! Ask about joining CraftsPages perpetual Craft Fair! Pass It On! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 22:19:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:18:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: venting lamps Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:16:13, -0500 Message-ID: <199711090616.BAA19762@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike wrote: does anyone here know if you really have to vent a lamp. i'm working on a design, that is kind of tall, 14" to maybe 20" tall at the highest point. the bottom will be fairly open. but i was thinking last night, that it might need a vent put in it somewhere. but i don't know if it's that important to vent the lamp. ---Mike Savad Bob thinks & writes, The reason for venting a lamp is to provide a way for heat to escape. To much heat & the glass will crack. While many lamp bases call for a max of 60 watt bulbs it is a good bet that a lamp built to handle a 100 watt bulb is better in the hands of the public. The laws of physics call for heat to rise & so a lamp shade is a good trap for heat unless venting at the top is provided. The shape of the lamp shade, distance from the bulb, color of glass & no doubt several other factors make firm rules of venting hard to figure. To my way of thinking, the only way to know if it is necessary to vent a lamp is to build one & see if it survives a 100 watt bulb when lighted in a cold room. Just tack & seal the unvented heat cap on & if it proves unsatisfactory it should not be to hard to substitute a vented cap. Of course, biting the bullet and using a spider & perhaps a crown makes heat not a likely problem. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 23:02:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:01:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: waxing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:14:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.131421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There has been mention at various times of waxing in finishing and I = would like to know how others do their finishing and the products they = have used, their pros and cons. I used to use a product by Kleenrite = called Metalclean which had a physical quality much like saddle soap but = was a mild metal polish combined with a light wax. It gave a nice = highlight to a patina, kept the polish of a copper finish, and protected = the piece from oxidation. If anyone can tell me where I can get more of = this, if is still available, I would appreciate it. Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 8 23:32:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:31:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Gilgore Trout To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Hopefully Helpful email tips was Re: remove Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 02:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov8.211912.0> References: <<2.2.32.19971107130427.006bba00@mail.telusplanet.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Dresden Slaughter House Precedence: bulk After getting a lot of these remove requests, I think some people masy not understand their web software. Depending what people are using, hitting reply doesn't lways get you where you want to go. Before you press 'send', check the address in the outgoing mail. Netscape and others take the last sender as the 'reply to' address. Lorna sent this, but when I 'reply'ed, bungi was the recipient, not Lorna, There for, when Lorna thought she was getting off a mailing list by sending the 'rem*ve' message, to the original sender. Another bigger issue is the way we get junk mail. There is software out there that can, once pointed to a valid domain name, will replicate email to ALL id's on that server. If you look at the 'To' name, most likely it's NOT you. You have been found by a SPAM mailer. Also DO NOT reply to any message that says you can be taken off the list. This is another SCAM. The person who receives your mail then collects your valid id, and sells it to marketing people. VALID ids are worth $$$$$, and the more junk mail you reply to will create more junk mail. Depending how technically astute you are, you can find who, and how the mail got to you. You have to look at the detailed message headers. AND, there is software that can 'SPOOF' the header, so you never know who sent it. If you find a true 'FROM' address, with a valid domain name (the part after the 'at' sign i.e. @greed.com, and you want to combat junk mail, forward the mail to 'root@........ Most isps frown on spamers, and will usually boot the offender of the system. There is anti-spam software available from - http://www.compulink.co.uk/~net-services/spam/ daver!telusplanet.net!dwightj wrote: > Please remove. Thank you. Lorna > > - 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?' "Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 01:47:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:46:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 04:46:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov8.234626.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk REMOVE PLEASE. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 04:44:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 04:43:48 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: "Stained Glass" Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Cement viscosity Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.24233.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm curious - I've read all the cement recipes but what should the consistency be upon application. Like sour cream or like peanut butter or somewhere in-between? Herb Adler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 05:40:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 05:40:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: venting lamps Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 08:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.33838.0> References: <<199711090616.BAA19762@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk BOB DUCHESNEAU wrote: > > Mike wrote: > does anyone here know if you really have to vent a lamp. i'm working > on > a design, that is kind of tall, 14" to maybe 20" tall at the highest > point. the bottom will be fairly open. but i was thinking last night, > > that it might need a vent put in it somewhere. but i don't know if > it's > that important to vent the lamp. > > ---Mike Savad > Bob thinks & writes, > The reason for venting a lamp is to provide a way for heat to > escape. To much heat & the glass will crack. While many lamp bases > call for a max of 60 watt bulbs it is a good bet that a lamp built to > handle a 100 watt bulb is better in the hands of the public. > The laws of physics call for heat to rise & so a lamp shade is a > good trap for heat unless venting at the top is provided. > The shape of the lamp shade, distance from the bulb, color of glass > & no doubt several other factors make firm rules of venting hard to > figure. To my way of thinking, the only way to know if it is > necessary to vent a lamp is to build one & see if it survives a 100 > watt bulb when lighted in a cold room. Just tack & seal the unvented > heat cap on & if it proves unsatisfactory it should not be to hard to > substitute a vented cap. Of course, biting the bullet and using a > spider & perhaps a crown makes heat not a likely problem. > Bob > now would it be important to have the vent at the very top, or close to the top? if you could imagine a dome, with a smaller dome on the top (like a roof). the smaller dome comes up kind of like a mushroom (it has smaller walls around the bottom, and is sunken in). one of the locations for the vents would be there, under the "roof" section of the dome. the heat would rise, and have to go through about 4" to escape. i'm wondering if that would be enough ventilation... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 08:15:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:15:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cement viscosity Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:13:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711091613.LAA17959@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Herb wrote, >I'm curious - I've read all the cement recipes but what should the >consistency be upon application. Like sour cream or like peanut butter or >somewhere in-between? Hi Herb......ah food products!!!! Its Honey Herb. And I am not being fresh. Thats the consistency. my best. pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 08:28:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:27:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: waxing Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:27:47 -0800 Message-ID: <199711091627.IAA03654@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >There has been mention at various times of waxing in finishing and I = >would like to know how others do their finishing and the products they = >have used, their pros and cons. I used to use a product by Kleenrite = >called Metalclean which had a physical quality much like saddle soap but = >was a mild metal polish combined with a light wax. It gave a nice = >highlight to a patina, kept the polish of a copper finish, and protected = >the piece from oxidation. If anyone can tell me where I can get more of = >this, if is still available, I would appreciate it. >Glenn Spicer >The Studio Metamorphoses Hey Glenn, I don't know where to get the stuff you've been using but I switched to Kem-o-Pro about a year ago...seems to hold a finish well and also helps polish and bring out the shine while doing your final finishing. Also removes easily from the glass so you're not stuck with too much fiddle work around the lead lines. It's reasonably cheap by the gallon...and I provide clients who express an interest in keeping it shiny with a small bottle...with "compliments of..." on it :-) Maybe talk to a company in Vancouver like A & M Non-Ferrous Metals 1-800-563-5686 and see if they have any idea where to get the polish you're talking about. Good luck Carol PS Still have the ICQ stuff in the back of my mind. :-)h ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 09:01:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:00:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ~~Oh ,she's got taxidermy eyes...~~ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.4054.0> References: <<1997Oct25.14113.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi guys... A while back, someone posted a link to a taxidermy site that sold eyes. I stashed it away safely so I could visit and maybe order some for my glass projects, but apparently I stashed a little too well...can't find it. Could whoever gave the URL send it again? Thanx a ton! ~Lor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 09:25:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:24:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: "'Glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Venting Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:18:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.11824.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike wrote does anyone here know if you really have to vent a lamp. I'm working on = a design, that is kind of tall, 14" to maybe 20" tall at the highest = point. the bottom will be fairly open. but I was thinking last night, = that it might need a vent put in it somewhere. but I don't know if it's = that important to vent the lamp. ---Mike Saved Mike,=20 Venting of a lamp depends on the wattage, the angle of the lamp panels, = the type of bulb, the size of the shade and the proximity of the bulb to = the shade. Wattage - there higher the wattage (in the same type of bulb) the more = heat is produced and the greater the need for auxiliary venting at the = top. Angle of panels - The steeper the and longer the panels are, the more = heat will be built up in the inside of the shade. Type of bulb - a florescent bulb will produce less heat than an = incandescent bulb, which produces less heat than a halide bulb. Size of shade - a large open shade will withstand more heat buildup than = a small closed in shade. Proximity of the bulb to the shade - the closer the bulb is physically = to the shade the greater the localized heat buildup will be on the = shade. One must look at these as they relate to each other, the greater number = of options that lead to heat buildup, the greater need for more top = venting. If the shade gets too hot to put your hand on I would consider = lowering the wattage, changing the type of bulb, and/or increasing = venting etc. You never said what the type of bulb was or the wattage so = I will leave this for you to ponder and hope that I was some help. And by the way of an aside did you ever get the Email I sent you some = time ago direct re our commonalties? Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses =00 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 10:19:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:19:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: venting mushrooms Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:13:33 -0800 Message-ID: <19971109101313.050b2ba0.in@seaside.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike wrote now would it be important to have the vent at the very top, or close to the top? if you could imagine a dome, with a smaller dome on the top (like a roof). the smaller dome comes up kind of like a mushroom (it has smaller walls around the bottom, and is sunken in). one of the locations for the vents would be there, under the "roof" section of the dome. the heat would rise, and have to go through about 4" to escape. i'm wondering if that would be enough ventilation... ---Mike Savad Mike If you imagine a cross section of your lamp and draw arrows that indicate the path that the heat will take from the source, the venting is best if it is above the top of the bulb, an the further to the top of the shade , the better. But the most important facto is the air flow because this brings the cool air from the opening of the shade to displace the hotter air above it. If the vents are not large enough and/or numerous enough then heat will start to build up. The more the heat builds up the faster the air will flow through the vent holes until it reaches an equilibrium with the "pressure" of the rising air vs. the resistance of the size of the vent. In more direct response to this specific lamp, The vents in the location where you suggested should be fine if they are large enough and numerous enough. How many and how large? That depends on the wattage of the bulb and other factors that I mentioned in my previous letter (that I had thot been sent a day or more ago, but found had not been sent, and so will be just ahead of this one). So in the end, if the top of the lamp gets too hot to touch, then increase the venting or reduce the wattage. Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 11:28:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:28:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Venting Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.92643.0> References: <<1997Nov9.11824.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote: > > Mike wrote > does anyone here know if you really have to vent a lamp. I'm working on = > a design, that is kind of tall, 14" to maybe 20" tall at the highest = > point. the bottom will be fairly open. but I was thinking last night, = > that it might need a vent put in it somewhere. but I don't know if it's = > that important to vent the lamp. > ---Mike Saved > > Mike,=20 > Venting of a lamp depends on the wattage, the angle of the lamp panels, = > the type of bulb, the size of the shade and the proximity of the bulb to = > the shade. > Wattage - there higher the wattage (in the same type of bulb) the more = > heat is produced and the greater the need for auxiliary venting at the = > top. > Angle of panels - The steeper the and longer the panels are, the more = > heat will be built up in the inside of the shade. > Type of bulb - a florescent bulb will produce less heat than an = > incandescent bulb, which produces less heat than a halide bulb. > Size of shade - a large open shade will withstand more heat buildup than = > a small closed in shade. > Proximity of the bulb to the shade - the closer the bulb is physically = > to the shade the greater the localized heat buildup will be on the = > shade. > > One must look at these as they relate to each other, the greater number = > of options that lead to heat buildup, the greater need for more top = > venting. If the shade gets too hot to put your hand on I would consider = > lowering the wattage, changing the type of bulb, and/or increasing = > venting etc. You never said what the type of bulb was or the wattage so = > I will leave this for you to ponder and hope that I was some help. > And by the way of an aside did you ever get the Email I sent you some = > time ago direct re our commonalties? > > Glenn Spicer > The Studio Metamorphoses > =00 > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i really hav'nt decided on the bulbs. i know that there will be 2 i think in a globe type shape, i guess about 3" in diameter. i hav'nt decided on wattage, but it would'nt be greater than 60w each, maybe 40w. the shape of the lamp will ultimitly look like a half of a globe. but since i don't know the details myself yet, i really could say more. if the email your refereing to was about ICQ. i did get it, and an trying to install it. but when i got up to the registering part, it said it could'nt do it and i would have to check the firewall settings. the problem is, is that it did'nt install it right and i can't get to those settings. eventually i go on. currently i'm trying to get my page uploaded, and out of a matter of coincedence, geocities moved to a new server in the middle of my upload. and now it won't let me upload anything at this time. so now some of the pages have the right graphics and buttons. and the others have the new stuff... it's all rather annoying... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 11:35:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:34:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: venting mushrooms Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.93317.0> References: <<19971109101313.050b2ba0.in@seaside.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenn Spicer wrote: > > Mike wrote > now would it be important to have the vent at the very top, or close to the > top? if you could imagine a dome, with a smaller dome on the top (like a > roof). the smaller dome comes up kind of like a mushroom (it has smaller > walls around the bottom, and is sunken in). one of the locations for the > vents would be there, under the "roof" section of the dome. the heat would > rise, and have to go through about 4" to escape. i'm wondering if that > would be enough ventilation... > ---Mike Savad > > Mike > If you imagine a cross section of your lamp and draw arrows that indicate > the path that the heat will take from the source, the venting is best if it > is above the top of the bulb, an the further to the top of the shade , the > better. But the most important facto is the air flow because this brings > the cool air from the opening of the shade to displace the hotter air above > it. If the vents are not large enough and/or numerous enough then heat will > start to build up. The more the heat builds up the faster the air will flow > through the vent holes until it reaches an equilibrium with the "pressure" > of the rising air vs. the resistance of the size of the vent. In more > direct response to this specific lamp, The vents in the location where you > suggested should be fine if they are large enough and numerous enough. How > many and how large? That depends on the wattage of the bulb and other > factors that I mentioned in my previous letter (that I had thot been sent a > day or more ago, but found had not been sent, and so will be just ahead of > this one). So in the end, if the top of the lamp gets too hot to touch, > then increase the venting or reduce the wattage. > > Glenn Spicer > The Studio Metamorphoses > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i figure the spacing from the top of the bulb to the top of the lamp shade will be between 6-8" (just a guess). however the vent would be about 3-4" below that. the mini roof on the shade will be something like a cupola (sp?) on a gazebo. the vents would be in the eve's. the shade portion of the lamp will look like a building. the upper roof dome thing, will look like it has a veranda with rails and pillars. what i'm designing in my head now is: do i put vents in the eve's of the small roof? or (along with that), add some sort of "natural" holes in the top, using glass. i'm hoping at the very top that i can make a polished glass oblisk shaped piece of glass. if done right it should light up like a beacon. if your wondering, this lamps main theme is going to be that it has no center support. the base will provide proof that there is'nt a center support. so basically i'm re-engineering the lamp... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Including: Random Tips, Box Making Tips, How to Fix Scratched Glass, Getting Pictures, How to Maintain Tools and How Long They Last, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Project, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 16:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:09:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!pstark From: pstark@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:03:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.14315.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mail@exoticauctions.com wrote: > > Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > > If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... > or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, > just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for > DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply > with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you > from their future mailings. > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass remove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 16:39:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:39:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cement viscosity Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:38:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.143844.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Consistency of the cement should be like thick, gooey oil sludge, Herb. In fact, it looks more like a by-product of the petroleum industry than something you would want to glop on that beautiful stained glass window! ;-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 9 17:47:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 17:46:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LEE1W From: LEE1W@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Art history of our Church Windows Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:45:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov9.154535.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Our church will celebrate its 75th anniversary beginning in June of l998, and we are writing a church history. We are blessed with stained glass windows with Christian symbols and the names of the givers. Some kind of black paint has been used to draw on the glass providing images of Christian symbols, and shading each piece of glass, giving value to the work. The church cornerstone reads 1925. I am trying to find biographical resources of people or who can help me understand the art history style, and perhaps the name of the studio. Some where in church records we ought to be able to learn more about these early members of our congregation. The research I uncover will be included in an article on the windows for our church history. Can you or anyone you know provide a reference on church stained glass history, or can you recommend a library with a good collection, particularly in the Delaware Valley. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 05:48:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:47:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: mindwarp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ~~Oh ,she's got taxidermy eyes...~~ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.34040.0> References: <<1997Nov10.4054.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lori wrote: > > Hi guys... > A while back, someone posted a link to a taxidermy site that sold > eyes. I stashed it away safely so I could visit and maybe order some > for my glass projects, but apparently I stashed a little too > well...can't find it. Could whoever gave the URL send it again? Thanx > a ton! > > ~Lor Here is the address for the taxidermy supply page...... http://www.taxidermy.net/suppliers/web.html I received catalogs from a couple of these companies... They have some REALLY neat glass eyes available....however, owl eyes(in which I am looking for) don't seem to be in their inventory. Sandi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 05:49:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:48:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: daemen.edu!rholmstr From: Rosemary Holmstrom To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction -- Remove Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the >exotic animal market. > >If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to >sell...=DD >or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of >any size or type, >just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com.=DD=DD Exotic Auctions is an Aucti= on >House for >DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. >=DD >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= //// >If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please >reply >with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you >from their future mailings. >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= //// >/ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 05:57:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:57:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Art history of our Church Windows Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.35657.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LEE1 wrote about researching church window history for churches in the Delaware Valley. The is a good probability that the windows were done by Willet Studios in Philadelphia. They are still in business (in fact, are very successful). Look all around the windows and try to find a signature piece of glass or a brass engraving which states the studio name. This is frequently done. In Willet windows, their signature tends to be painted/fired onto a thin strip of red or bright cobalt blue glass worked into the border of one of the pieces. If you do find the name somewhere, post a message and I'll see if I know who they are. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 06:07:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:07:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Art history of our Church Windows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:14:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199711101407.JAA13250@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: LEE1W@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Art history of our Church Windows > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:45:35 -0500 (EST) > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Our church will celebrate its 75th anniversary beginning in June of l998, and > we are writing a church history. We are blessed with stained glass windows > with Christian symbols and the names of the givers. Some kind of black > paint has been used to draw on the glass That's the usual method for delineating stained glass. The "paint" is fired into the surface of the glass and it's glass itself, actually. As for historical sources, you might contact Julie L. Sloan of McKernan Satterlee Associates at jlsloan@vgernet.net (that's her email address). She wrote the book on the restoration (and history) of American stained glass, so should be able to point you in the right direction. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 06:24:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:24:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Art history of our Church Windows Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:24:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <199711101424.JAA25278@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lee wrote, >Our church will celebrate its 75th anniversary beginning in June of l998, and >we are writing a church history. We are blessed with stained glass windows >with Christian symbols and the names of the givers. Some kind of black >paint has been used to draw on the glass providing images of Christian >symbols, and shading each piece of glass, giving value to the work. The >church cornerstone reads 1925. I am trying to find biographical resources >of people or who can help me understand the art history style, and perhaps >the name of the studio. Some where in church records we ought to be able to >learn more about these early members of our congregation. The research I >uncover will be included in an article on the windows for our church history. > Can you or anyone you know provide a reference on church stained glass >history, or can you recommend a library with a good collection, particularly >in the Delaware Valley. >---- If you let me know the name and location of the church. I may to be able to help you locate the studio who fabricated the windows. my best, pj> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 06:38:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Pewter sculptures Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov10.43814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk dont know if you received any help yet, but check warner-criveliaro in allentown, pa - 1-800-523-4242. they seem to have everything. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 06:41:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:41:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------59753F0333DF" Subject: Re: Art history of our Church Windows Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:43:22 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.24322.0> References: <<1997Nov9.154535.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------59753F0333DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Can you or anyone you know provide a reference on church stained glass > history, or can you recommend a library with a good collection, particularly > in the Delaware Valley. I recently had to research some work for a restoration job and was connected to Julie Sloan (via Albert Lewis). Julie was INCREDIBLY helpful and knowledgable. She can be contacted at http://www.jlsloan.com/ BTW- This is a totally unsolicited comment ....... her book, Conservation Of Stained Glass, is well worth the $25. Also available through Amazon (go the IGGA website for more details). Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass --------------59753F0333DF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Base: "http://www.jlsloan.com/" McKernan Satterlee Associates, Inc. | Stained Glass Restoration & Conservation MSA logo

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--------------59753F0333DF-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 06:52:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:51:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My page is finally updated!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.45013.0> References: <<1997Nov10.34040.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i finally got all my new pages up. How to set up a shop. over 40 new links and, My adventures with the aliens. if you like sci-fi, i think you'll like this. the story may not be the strongest, but you really have to see the pictures. (which i made myself of course.) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 07:28:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:27:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Attachmate.com!TIFFANYA From: Tiffany Allesina To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: remove Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:22:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov9.232212.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: mail@exoticauctions.com [SMTP:mail@exoticauctions.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 5:35 AM To: mail@exoticauctions.com Subject: Exotic Animal Auction Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////// If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from their future mailings. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////// ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 08:34:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ideal.jf.intel.com!lynice From: "L. Spangler" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: remove Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.83023.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Saturday, November 08, 1997 1:35 PM, mail@exoticauctions.com [SMTP:mail@exoticauctions.com] wrote: > Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > > If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... > or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, > just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for > DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply > with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you > from their future mailings. > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 13:49:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:44:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My page is finally updated!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:58:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971110165857.00677598@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, visited you updated site yesterday and read your Adventures With The Aliens. Great! You have a natural gift for fantasy. Enjoyed the brevity of each page as well as the graphics, which are great. Only problem we experienced was with the graphics. Some pages were great, others did not download, and a couple loaded only half the picture and the bottom half was all green (or whatever). All-in-all, only about 55-60% of the pictures loaded (we use Explorer). Could not get to the links, but then you had warned that Geocities was changing, so will try again today. Especially like the addition of the update notification service/page. Rojean rogert@matnet.com ------------------------- At 09:50 AM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >i finally got all my new pages up. > >How to set up a shop. > >over 40 new links > >and, My adventures with the aliens. if you like sci-fi, i think you'll >like this. the story may not be the strongest, but you really have to >see the pictures. (which i made myself of course.) > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 14:32:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:31:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:39:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199711102232.RAA26268@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Toby" > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Swedish Glass > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:21:25 +0000 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Dear Albert, > > I bet you sat there going teehee and fully expected me to creep out > from the woodwork again..... > Being totally dependable - but NEVER predictable.... here I am! Oh, I've seen you commenting from time to time on stuff going on in the bungi forum. I knew you were around, but busy, so it's doubly nice to hear from you directly. Glad you liked the post about the Orrefors tour. I don't know the people who are putting it together, but since my wife and I are connected to the tour in England next year (so far, not much response) I was interested to see how much less the Swedish tour was costing in comparison to what the tour organizer had put together for England! Over 4 thousand dollars, not including airfare, for England; just over 3 thousand but *with airfare for the Swedish thing. Hmm. > on the site you gave on Orrefors and found it titillating in its > brevity and mouth-watering in its prospects. Loved your long response to the post. Can we consider it for the newsletter? I think you turned down an "opportunity" before, so I'll understand if you still feel that way, but it certainly was fun to read, especially the bit where you say what "Orrefors" means. > By the way, Albert, you don't happen to know the SWEDISH web-address > for any of these three?? Not offhand. I'd have to do a search for them. Time being as short as it is, I can't do that, but if you turn them up, I'd certainly be interested in taking a quick peek at them. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 14:38:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:33:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ideal.jf.intel.com!lynice From: "L. Spangler" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: remove Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:23 -0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.83023.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Saturday, November 08, 1997 1:35 PM, mail@exoticauctions.com [SMTP:mail@exoticauctions.com] wrote: > Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > > If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... > or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, > just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. Exotic Auctions is an Auction House for > DOMESTIC and EXOTIC animals. > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply > with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you > from their future mailings. > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 14:39:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:38:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: inside curves Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:27:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.122754.0> References: <<1997Nov10.4054.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, A friend wants me to make her a frog suncatcher as a gift for her mom. I found two great patterns on Spectrum's site, but they have some bad curves on the feet (tree frogs). One of them would have to be done with a saw or else change the curves so they're not so deep. When I have a piece with a bad curve, I usually start my foiling at that spot and can manage to keep from splitting. In other cases, I've gone back and patched the splits with foil before soldering. In this case, one foot is one piece and has three deep curves. Does anyone have any suggestions? The worst of these patterns has 11 pretty bad curves. I have a feeling that's the one my friend will want. Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 14:40:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:39:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: David Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BF150C177D8CDD1CA8BEB4C4" Subject: [Fwd: Photo Resist] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:46:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.64641.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BF150C177D8CDD1CA8BEB4C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------BF150C177D8CDD1CA8BEB4C4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3467598A.5CF7C7@crcwnet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:22 -0800 From: David Loda Reply-To: dandl@crcwnet.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: Photo Resist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in the process of getting a sandblasting unit and I need imput on the UV Letralite kits available thru both Rayzist and Photobrasive. Anyone out there have any working knowledge with them? Since they are a 10th of the price of the full size exposing equipment are they a 10th of the worth. If you wish to take this off line, you can email me at dandl@crcwnet.com thanks in advance Dave --------------BF150C177D8CDD1CA8BEB4C4-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 15:41:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:41:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Art history of our Church Windows Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:48:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199711102341.SAA28459@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I recently had to research some work for a restoration job and was > connected to Julie Sloan (via Albert Lewis). Julie was INCREDIBLY > helpful and knowledgable. She can be contacted at > http://www.jlsloan.com/ Glad my tip paid off for you, Mike. > BTW- This is a totally unsolicited comment ....... her book, > Conservation Of Stained Glass, is well worth the $25. Also available > through Amazon (go the IGGA website for more details). Of course, it's also available from the publisher (and they like you to order it from them directly, naturally, because then they don't have to pay a discount to anyone). Art in Architecture Press is at http://www.aiap.com/ Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 15:44:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:43:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Oops! Apologies. Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:50:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199711102343.SAA28520@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry ... thought that note to Toby was from her directly, rather than from the group. Thought I checked, but obviously not. My apologies. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 15:56:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:55:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.alaska.net!wildewk From: Wildeworks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [Fwd: Photo Resist] Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:54:13 -0900 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.55413.0> References: <<1997Nov10.64641.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk David; We use a Letralite uv unit with our Paragrave Sandblaster. We hsve had this unit for 2 yrs now and had no trouble with it .It works great for small things, but anything over 11 by 14 would have to done on a bigger light. We use paragrave resist with it. Hope this helps. Wildeworks Designs in Glass www.alaska.net/~rsully/ wildewk@pobox.alaska.net David Loda wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Photo Resist > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:22 -0800 > From: David Loda > Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee > To: Glass@bungi.com > > I'm in the process of getting a sandblasting unit and I need imput on > the UV Letralite kits available thru both Rayzist and Photobrasive. > Anyone out there have any working knowledge with them? Since they are a > 10th of the price of the full size exposing equipment are they a 10th of > the worth. If you wish to take this off line, you can email me at > dandl@crcwnet.com > > thanks in advance > > Dave ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 16:02:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:01:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My page is finally updated!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:59:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.135928.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19971110165857.00677598@primary.matnet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tyler, Roger D. wrote: > > Mike, visited you updated site yesterday and read your Adventures With The Aliens. Great! You have a natural gift for fantasy. Enjoyed the brevity of each page as well as the graphics, which are great. Only problem we experienced was with the graphics. Some pages were great, others did not download, and a couple loaded only half the picture and the bottom half was all green (or whatever). All-in-all, only about 55-60% of the pictures loaded (we use Explorer). Could not get to the links, but th > Rojean > rogert@matnet.com > ------------------------- > > At 09:50 AM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote: > >i finally got all my new pages up. > > > >How to set up a shop. > > > >over 40 new links > > > >and, My adventures with the aliens. if you like sci-fi, i think you'll > >like this. the story may not be the strongest, but you really have to > >see the pictures. (which i made myself of course.) > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A > >Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah geocities is having some problems. sometimes pages won't load, some graphics will be broken, etc. i found (for now anyway), if you reload the page it will be ok. last night and this morning, i spent a few hours going over everything, to fix stuff. mainly because, i think i corrupted some files when i first tried uploading. it's was just just remarably bad timing. i started uploading, just as they were shutting down. at first i thought this was related to me in someway. but everything seems to be running more or less ok. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 16:13:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:11:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: inside curves Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.141018.0> References: <<1997Nov10.122754.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > Hi all, > > A friend wants me to make her a frog suncatcher as a gift for her > mom. I found two great patterns on Spectrum's site, but they have some > bad curves on the feet (tree frogs). One of them would have to be done > with a saw or else change the curves so they're not so deep. When I have > a piece with a bad curve, I usually start my foiling at that spot and can > manage to keep from splitting. In other cases, I've gone back and > patched the splits with foil before soldering. In this case, one foot is > one piece and has three deep curves. Does anyone have any suggestions? > The worst of these patterns has 11 pretty bad curves. I have a feeling > that's the one my friend will want. > > Thanks, > > Jerri > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you could always break up the curves. in the center of each curve, cut it in half, it would have broken there anyway. after awhile you'll get better at doing curves. for now though, make 2 pieces instead of 1. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 16:25:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:23:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:22:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199711110023.AAA13205@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert, Am so glad you have not totally forgotten me..... ;-) Yes, it's true - I am busy - keeping one step ahead of the Bank Manager...... Oh, I've seen you commenting from time to time on stuff going on in the bungi forum. I knew you were around, but busy, so it's doubly nice to hear from you directly. Does the following quote from you mean that you two will come over here??? If you are, I would never, ever forgive you if you you passed within a 100 miles of me without giving me the opportunity to cook you both a Swedish meal. ..... Another thing is, I am trying to work out a plan whereby myself and some of my students could "hop-on-board" the party, once you are over here. There would be quite a respectful little handful that would be very interested...... Mind you, neither them nor I could possibly conceive to spend USD4,000 for joining up. And again, I also wonder whether along similar lines, this could be of interest to Elizabeth in Bournemouth (UK) and HER students. ???? What a wonderful opportunity for "Across The Pond Fertilization" ... and all that.... (Elizabeth [with a ZZed] - are you there??) I also have quite a little handful of requests from you bunch in USA to repeat the Chartres trip in France. We are working on it! It WILL happen again! We are also planning other trips to Europe, e.g. Augsburg in Germany. I also welcome ideas from you "Across the Pond". My own aim is to organize such trips that really are affordable and without costly and unnecessary "frills", yet comfortable and cosy. In Judith Robinson I have a wonderful champion for this cross-atlantic venture. She is American and both her daughters are living and working in USA. She is a bubbly little fire-ball; Adult Education Manager and the Deputy Principal of one of the colleges where I teach stained glass. She went out on a limb to get support for the trip to Chartres . She managed to get quite a lot of financial backing from the local government education authority so that the trip succeeded to become a reality - and.... I might add, a total success. And - of course - the people from USA, from Bungi that came to stay with me as my guests have become my friends for Life. (Including the ONE who missed the flight!!!) If you are in favour of me (and Judith) to continue to try and get more trips like this one off the ground, up and running do let me know. But just as important let JUDITH know; she is on e-mail too: Her e-mail address is: Glad you liked the post about the Orrefors tour. I don't know the people who are putting it together, but since my wife and I are connected to the tour in England next year (so far, not much response) No, the difference in cost doesn't entirely surprise me. To start with, accommodation in UK is horrendeously expensive. The proposed trip includes a number of town/city centres and a lot of the money you pay out for is a pair of sheets, a space for the night and a bed. Hotel-costs in UK are pretty high. Don't forget, UK is a small, much over-crowded little island with about 60 million inhabitants. Sweden - geographically- is twice the size of Great Britain and Northern Ireland put together and has a population of 8 million (small but select....;-) ) Space is no problem, hence hotels are cheaper.. Sweden (again geographically speaking) is the 3rd largest country in Europe. Not only that, but I also suspect that Orrefors is itself sponsoring this trip to some extent and there may even be some government money involved. Glass is big business in Sweden - not so (anymore) in UK. Hartley-Wood by the way has just ceased to exist in UK. It went bankrupt about 2 weeks ago..... Enormously sad.... For UK stained glass production a total tragedy..... I was interested to see how much less the Swedish tour was costing in comparison to what the tour organizer had put together for England! Over 4 thousand dollars, not including airfare, for England; just over 3 thousand but *with airfare for the Swedish thing. Hmm. Hang on a minute, when did I ever "turn down an opportunity", as you put it??? I am totally nonplussed.... Feel free - and if of any value - feel free to use in print -. I would obviously appreciate a "credit" and also a hard-copy of the issue in which my words appear.... but other than that , you are most welcome. Melanie in Australia has just asked me if she could use my posting about "how to select a stained glass teacher", to which I responded - but yes - of course, if she feels I have made a good and relevant point worth wider circulation.. I think I have established a reputarion as being a bit of a missionary; sure, I want to make a living creating stained glass as I see it and interpret it, but I also want to teach, to promote awareness of stained glass. I have no fear of passing on what I know and I also have no fear of admitting that I am inexperienced in any one particular aspect of stained glass, but so-and-so might be able to help/teach further. I am not a copper-foil person, but I soak up all the info I get from copper-foil Bungi people, store it and use it to help my students who feel that THEY want to concentrate on copper-foil . I don't mind WHAT they do, as long as they do it WELL, as long as they follow my basic teaching of pride, quality and craftsmanship. Loved your long response to the post. Can we consider it for the newsletter? I think you turned down an "opportunity" before, so I'll understand if you still feel that way, but it certainly was fun to read, especially the bit where you say what "Orrefors" means. Ok, will keep on trawling..... > By the way, Albert, you don't happen to know the SWEDISH web-address > for any of these three?? Not offhand. I'd have to do a search for them. Time being as short as it is, I can't do that, but if you turn them up, I'd certainly be interested in taking a quick peek at them. Delighted in your detailed response. Hope this is of interest to all the rest of you also...... My Very Best Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 16:43:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:41:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: .... UK e-mail, sorry forgot Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:40:26 +0000 Message-ID: <199711110041.AAA15237@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert and Bunginians, Sorry I forgot to complete Judith's e-mail address, regarding further stained glass trips in Europe. Judith's e-mail address is judy@wensumlodge.demon.co.uk Thanks for your patience & understanding Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 17:14:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:13:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sws.nb.ca!montgomery From: Montgomery To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Remove Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:13:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:35 08/11/97 EST, you wrote: >Visit http://www.exoticauctions.com to visit a whole new angle on the exotic animal market. > >If you have any animals or animal related products that you would like to sell... >or if you would like to aquire animals or animal related products... of any size or type, >just visit http://www.exoticauctions.com. 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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:07:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov10.16728.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any addresses for buying glass off the internet?? And does it save you any money,instead of buying it from local stained glass stores?? I've found one site,it's Warner-Crivellaro,Inc.They seem to have better prices than my local,but not for sure how much it cost to ship it! Thanks alot,Damon ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 18:50:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:49:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: David Loda To: Glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Photo Resist Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.25922.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk I'm in the process of getting a sandblasting unit and I need imput on the UV Letralite kits available thru both Rayzist and Photobrasive. Anyone out there have any working knowledge with them? Since they are a 10th of the price of the full size exposing equipment are they a 10th of the worth. If you wish to take this off line, you can email me at dandl@crcwnet.com thanks in advance Dave ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 19:37:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:36:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: inside curves Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:52:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.165251.0> References: <<1997Nov10.122754.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >you could always break up the curves. in the center of each curve, cut >it in half, it would have broken there anyway. after awhile you'll get >better at doing curves. for now though, make 2 pieces instead of 1. > >---Mike Savad I've done that on some things, but that won't work on the frog's feet. It just wouldn't look good. I just wondered if split foil is something you have to live with sometimes, although patching has worked well when I've done it. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 20:16:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:15:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Owl eyes... Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:15:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.151553.0> References: <<1997Nov10.34040.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sandi, I found owl eyes at this site called Tohickon Glass eyes. Check it out. You'll have to do a search 'cause I lost the URL... ~Lori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 20:18:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:17:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: buying glass off the net!! Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:18:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.151819.0> References: <<1997Nov10.16728.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Damon, There's TONS of glass suppliers on the net...Just do a search, and you'll find lots of free catalogues too. ~Lori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 22:12:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:11:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:11:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov10.181112.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri, Yes, split foil is a fact to live with on tight inside curves...but, if you figure you have to live with it, why not take a little control over the situation. The way I deal with split foil (which makes it APPEAR that I don't have the problem at all) is to decide BEFORE foiling a glass piece just where I think the foil NEEDS to split to make the foil fit the curve smoothly. On those spots, I place "band-aids, (1/2" strips of foil) perpendicular around the edge of the glass. Burnish , then foil as usual. Before folding the foil around the edges, split it where the "band-aids" are installed (controlled splitting?!). Burnish the foil. Using an X-acto knife, cut and clean away the excess of the "band-aid". Voila! No visible splits and the slickest solder beads this side of Slocum, TX! I know all this may not seem clear (much easier to show than to explain). If you don't understand (understandably!) or you wish to see this technique, just e-mail me directly and I will scan a few pieces of glass to show this technique in a little more detail. (Make sure your e-mail account allows attachments). Shirley, the possums, the cows and the deer Grapeland, Tx. ssuter@intrastar.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 10 23:12:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:12:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Internet Message Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:11:24, -0500 Message-ID: <199711110711.CAA07994@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk t 20:43 03/11/97 -0800, "Mic and Jeni Novak" wrote to us in the UK: We need to identify some stained glass windows we salvaged >from a old train . The nearest we can figure, the car was made around >1840's. We have found out that the car was remodeled in 1904 . There were four car's made. One was made for the President of northern pacific railroad. We are not certain of where the other three are The car we are working on was decommissioned in 1928. We need some help to identify the window's maker? > Thank you > Dave, Jeni & Mic Is there a Bungian out there who can help them? Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stained glass.co.uk Bob writes, Contact the train museum at Balboa Park in San Diego, CA, USA. They have a wealth of information on trains of all sorts. Sorry I do not have their phone number but I bet you can find an internet address if you look hard. It seems to me the SG windows would have been part of the 1904 remodel. You can be pretty sure that they are not from 1840 if they have bevels, gluechip or sandblasting as these techniques had not been discovered for glass use at that time. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 02:07:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 02:06:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:14:47 +0000 Message-ID: <199711111007.FAA11677@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does the following quote from you mean that you two will come over > here??? If you are, I would never, ever forgive you if you you > passed within a 100 miles of me without giving me the opportunity to > cook you both a Swedish meal. ..... Now you're talkin'! We'll come if the tour works out. And that'll happen only if 10-12 people have signed up by February or so. The outfit that's organized the tour has been doing Arts & Crafts tours in England for years, but this is the first one with a stained glass focus. They asked Julie to plan it, which she did in her usual inimitably thorough fashion, but their usual clientele is older, retired folks with time and money on their hands, a taste for fine food and excellent lodgings, etc., which means the cost is awfully high (I think). But if, as you say, lodging and meals are expensive in England no matter *what you do, perhaps it couldn't be done more cheaply in any case. I'm not a member of the "older, retired" set (yet) and certainly not one with time and/or money on my hands, but at the same time, I've done with the youth hostel approach. > Another thing is, I am trying to work out a plan whereby myself and > some of my students could "hop-on-board" the party, once you are over > here. There would be quite a respectful little handful that would be > very interested...... Mind you, neither them nor I could possibly > conceive to spend USD4,000 for joining up. Well, that's the thing. The price is "from London," so that's what the tour organizer would expect. Pretty much unworkable, I'd guess, for your group or Elizabeth's. Airfare isn't included, so that'd be the price. So far a few people (not enough yet) have said they plan on signing up; one woman in Mexico City plans to be in England anyway; others have said pretty much the same thing. We'll see. > We are also planning other trips to Europe, e.g. Augsburg in Germany. > I also welcome ideas from you "Across the Pond". My own aim is to > organize such trips that really are affordable and without costly > and unnecessary "frills", yet comfortable and cosy. Keep us posted on those. If they gel and we can be helpful in promoting them, we'd be glad to do so. > I think I have established a reputarion as being a bit of a > missionary; sure, I want to make a living creating stained glass as > I see it and interpret it, but I also want to teach, to promote > awareness of stained glass. Yes, that's been pretty much my motivation for the past 25 years, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 04:56:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:55:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: RJF2.RJF.COM!BETTY_HALL From: BETTY_HALL@RJF2.RJF.COM (BETTY HALL) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: inside curves Date: 11 Nov 97 07:56:46 EST Message-ID: <1A506834015D3179@-SMF-> References: <<0197673402BC6570@-SMF->> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a friend with a lizard sun catcher with the same feet - instead of cutting them out of glass they are cut out of foil. Looks pretty good - you can see the distinction of the toes, and that's what makes the pattern! Betty, Internal Audit, Ext. 4160 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 04:59:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:58:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:56:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.25631.0> References: <<1997Nov10.181112.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Shirley, Thank you, thank you thank you. Just what I wanted to know. Your "bandaids" sound exactly like what I call "patching", so I understood perfectly. I was wondering, with all these curves, if there was a way to avoid splitting. I'm glad to know it's a fact of glass life, and not just me! (Thought there was some secret I may have missed.) I have a feeling this tree frog is going to have lots of bandaids on these little toes. Well, I'll give it a try. It's a cute pattern. Jerri On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:11:12 -0600 Shirley Suter writes: >Hi Jerri, > >Yes, split foil is a fact to live with on tight inside curves...but, >if >you figure you have to live with it, why not take a little control >over >the situation. > >The way I deal with split foil (which makes it APPEAR that I don't >have >the problem at all) is to decide BEFORE foiling a glass piece just >where >I think the foil NEEDS to split to make the foil fit the curve >smoothly. On those spots, I place "band-aids, (1/2" strips of foil) >perpendicular around the edge of the glass. Burnish , then foil as >usual. Before folding the foil around the edges, split it where the >"band-aids" are installed (controlled splitting?!). Burnish the foil. > >Using an X-acto knife, cut and clean away the excess of the >"band-aid". >Voila! No visible splits and the slickest solder beads this side of >Slocum, TX! > >I know all this may not seem clear (much easier to show than to >explain). If you don't understand (understandably!) or you wish to >see >this technique, just e-mail me directly and I will scan a few pieces >of >glass to show this technique in a little more detail. (Make sure your >e-mail account allows attachments). > >Shirley, the possums, the cows and the deer >Grapeland, Tx. >ssuter@intrastar.net >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 05:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:28:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Wedding invitations Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 08:21:35 EST Message-ID: <971111.082804.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, you see, I've never framed an wedding invitation and never even looked too closely at how one was done, but a friend has asked me to frame her daughter's invitation with the pressed flowers and all. Now, I'll talk to my supplier when I go up to get the stuff, but I thought I would pick the bungi brains, too, since some of you have superior ideas. Now I think the ones I have seen are mostly the invitation and pressed flowers sandwiched between clear glass and glue chip (Sometimes other backing glass). How do you get the flowers and invitation to stay put? I would guess you need to leave small openings between the two pieces of glass or you can get condensation between the ieces of glass, so how do you foil and solder? How do you hang? Etc, etc? Anyone have any tips or ideas they wish to share? TIA Dorothy K -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 05:52:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:51:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:51:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.35126.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The curve-splitting problem, like the curve ball, is a bit tricky. However, I have found a method that works for me - I wrap my piece with the foil, and I then use my finger to burnish/press the foil down on each side, EXCEPT around the curve. Then, I use my fid (which is a penny), and I press the edge of the glass flat, and when I get to the curve, I gently burnish the edge first, and then along the "edge of the edge", gently pressing the foil on both side of the curve (but still not completely flat). Finally, I burnish/flatten the sides of the piece, including the curve, and by this time, the foil is adequately streched to avoid the split. I've been practicing this on alot of different curves, and it seems to be working 99% of the time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 05:52:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:51:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: inside curves Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:59:39 +0000 Message-ID: <199711111352.IAA14501@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I have a friend with a lizard sun catcher with the same feet - instead of > cutting them out of glass they are cut out of foil. Looks pretty good - > you can see the distinction of the toes, and that's what makes the The same thing's often (actually, usually) done with glass paint. By putting dark paint on the glass where the separation between the toes should be, those areas "disappear," letting light through only the glass that represents the toes. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:02:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:02:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: inside curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:59:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.35954.0> References: <<1997Nov10.165251.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > >you could always break up the curves. in the center of each curve, cut > >it in half, it would have broken there anyway. after awhile you'll get > >better at doing curves. for now though, make 2 pieces instead of 1. > > > >---Mike Savad > > I've done that on some things, but that won't work on the frog's > feet. It just wouldn't look good. I just wondered if split foil is > something you have to live with sometimes, although patching has worked > well when I've done it. > > Jerri > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass sure patching works, but the glass may break in the future. since it is the feet, a line going from the inside to the back of the piece would be best. i think i remember the pattern, sometimes it's just needs to be done that way. and (i believe you said it was fro your friend), if your friend does'nt do stained glass, he may not know the difference between the pattern and the finished piece... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:14:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:14:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.41221.0> References: <<1997Nov11.25631.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > Hi Shirley, > > Thank you, thank you thank you. Just what I wanted to know. > Your "bandaids" sound exactly like what I call "patching", so I > understood perfectly. I was wondering, with all these curves, if there > was a way to avoid splitting. I'm glad to know it's a fact of glass > life, and not just me! (Thought there was some secret I may have > missed.) > > I have a feeling this tree frog is going to have lots of bandaids > on these little toes. Well, I'll give it a try. It's a cute pattern. > > Jerri > > On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:11:12 -0600 Shirley Suter > writes: > >Hi Jerri, > > > >Yes, split foil is a fact to live with on tight inside curves...but, > >if > >you figure you have to live with it, why not take a little control > >over > >the situation. > > > >The way I deal with split foil (which makes it APPEAR that I don't > >have > >the problem at all) is to decide BEFORE foiling a glass piece just > >where > >I think the foil NEEDS to split to make the foil fit the curve > >smoothly. On those spots, I place "band-aids, (1/2" strips of foil) > >perpendicular around the edge of the glass. Burnish , then foil as > >usual. Before folding the foil around the edges, split it where the > >"band-aids" are installed (controlled splitting?!). Burnish the foil. > > > >Using an X-acto knife, cut and clean away the excess of the > >"band-aid". > >Voila! No visible splits and the slickest solder beads this side of > >Slocum, TX! > > > >I know all this may not seem clear (much easier to show than to > >explain). If you don't understand (understandably!) or you wish to > >see > >this technique, just e-mail me directly and I will scan a few pieces > >of > >glass to show this technique in a little more detail. (Make sure your > >e-mail account allows attachments). > > > >Shirley, the possums, the cows and the deer > >Grapeland, Tx. > >ssuter@intrastar.net > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i give a bunch of foiling tips on my page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 under the tips section. but mainly, i use the fid start on the edge of the piece and begin rubbing. for the deep curves i don't pich it down, i let the fid do the work. as i start to rub, i tilt the fid into the edge, and go through the entire inner curve. this rubbing allows the foil to stretch some, and works about 90% of the time. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:22:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:21:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wedding invitations Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:20:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.42020.0> References: <<971111.082804.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mail wrote: > > Well, you see, I've never framed an wedding invitation and never even > looked too closely at how one was done, but a friend has asked me to > frame her daughter's invitation with the pressed flowers and all. Now, > I'll talk to my supplier when I go up to get the stuff, but I thought I > would pick the bungi brains, too, since some of you have superior ideas. > Now I think the ones I have seen are mostly the invitation and pressed > flowers sandwiched between clear glass and glue chip (Sometimes other backing > glass). How do you get the flowers and invitation to stay put? I would guess > you need to leave small openings between the two pieces of glass or you > can get condensation between the ieces of glass, so how do you foil and > solder? How do you hang? Etc, etc? Anyone have any tips or ideas they > wish to share? > TIA > Dorothy K > > -- > Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 > UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 > HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass basically, you could just leave them in place. however when i saw vicki payne, she used a tiny touch of rubber cement. she place the cap/brush on the table facing up, and touched the flower on the tip, then layed it down. make sure the glass is very clean, no dirt, or fingerprints. buy some 1/2" foil. sandwich the two pieces, making sure they are exactly the same size each. and foil. i like using 1/2" instead of 3/8" (depending on the thickness of glass), becuase i can draw a bead on the face, and it's a bit more ridged. you should'nt leave an opening, if done right there won't be any water in it. don't wash it in the sink. use alcohol and some glass spray to clean it. or else water will seep in, and destroy the card inside. also see if you can get more then one invitation in case this does happen. and watch the flux and the amount of heat you use. to hang it, you can solder loops down the side of the piece, or a chain. make sure you solder it on bother the top edge and the side. like a corner that sticks out. or you could make a stained glass frame and hand it as usual. just make sure the foil is lined up really well, and rubed down very well. and that you use only dried flowers, fresh ones, get moldy in the glass. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:39:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:38:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SSparks99 From: SSparks99@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stained Glass Web Sites Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:38:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.43837.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >From the postings to this stained glass site, I've gathered several site addresses - I am a real organizer of information by nature. I hope they're correct. Please let me know if there are any typos. I haven't visited all of them - so I assume they are all related to glass, patterns, and information. Enjoy! www.aiap.com/amazon (Int'l Guild of Glass Artists, Inc.) www.artglassworld.com www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm (books, magazines) www.bungi.com/glass/igga/suppsupp.htm www.bungi.com/glass/patterns www.dodgestudio.com www.geocites.com/paris/1141/links.htm www.glasscrafters.com www.glasspaterns.com www.hotglass.com/links.html www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/dilhtm www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm www.rainbow.co.nz/karal/Index.html www.rec.crafts.glass www.spectrumglass.com www.stainedglassbiz.com www.stainedglasswarehouse.com/ www.summitstudio.com www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguri www.voyager.net/delphiglass www.warner-criv.too Keli ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:44:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:44:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: inside curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.4366.0> References: <<199711111352.IAA14501@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks. That's a neat idea too. Since I have to paint the eyes anyway, a little paint ont the toes would probably look pretty good with it. I guess I'll experiment until I get the results I'm happy with. This must be the reason I'm a hobbiest. If someone brought me this pattern and wanted me to make them a lightcatcher, I'd say, "Sure. That'll be $75." :} >The same thing's often (actually, usually) done with glass paint. By >putting dark paint on the glass where the separation between the toes >should be, those areas "disappear," letting light through only the >glass that represents the toes. > >Albert > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:50:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:49:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:51:45 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.25145.0> References: <<1997Nov10.181112.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Shirley Suter wrote: Using an X-acto knife, cut and clean away the excess of the "band-aid". > Voila! No visible splits and the slickest solder beads this side of > Slocum, TX! > > I know all this may not seem clear (much easier to show than to > explain). If you don't understand (understandably!) or you wish to see > this technique, just e-mail me directly and I will scan a few pieces of > glass to show this technique in a little more detail. (Make sure your > e-mail account allows attachments). > > Shirley, the possums, the cows and the deer > Grapeland, Tx. > ssuter@intrastar.net Shirley, Just wanted to send you a quick note ....... "slickest solder beads this side of Slocum,TX!" I just love your posts. I still remember your rendition of how to precisely calculate how tall a lampshade base should be! And, I use it from time to time when one of my students asks. For those that missed it (about a year ago), check out the archives, it was truly a bungi classic! Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 06:51:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:51:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:48:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199711111450.OAA12259@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert, Wow! That IS expensive. For that price I would have expected a champagne flight on Concorde....... ;-) Not a chance for either myself or my students, sadly. However, by pure coincidence, Charles asked me what the average cost was for the trip to Chartres (not forgetting that the Americans came and joined the party here in UK first and that we all went together out to France and back again). Very roughly for the 3 weeks I have guestimated that the Americans had to pay (excluding ''spending money'', but including flight cost based on UK priced cheap return flight to N.Y.) approx. UK Sterling 500. The price included the hire of a private coach to take us to France and back, it also included the cost of the return ferry-crossing and the skills of the coach driver Ken, as he negotiated his way past the houses in the village of the Loire studio, with about 1 cm to spare before knocking the walls down..... The whole village gathered to watch the spectacle as about 7-8 of us, a driver and a coach as large as a house itself negotiated through the village. ''Mais, alors.... ils sont foux cettes Anglaises!!'' accompanied by much Gallic head-shakes... Good fun though!! The Loire family had already heard about our somewhat dramatic arrival, through the village grape-vine... In France we stayed at a 2-star hotel which wasn't luxurious, but comfortable, clean , with ensuite baths/showers and located 500 metres from the cathedral itself. The breakfast was included in the price and you could eat as much as you liked. Some of us even made an additional ''packed lunch'' for the day. For dinner, you did your own thing, spent as much as your wallet allowed or your culinary preferences dictated. It was a free and easy schedule, devoid of being ''goose-marched'' around from site to site. I can now much better understand the concept of Julie's trip and the the people likely to be interested.Another interesting point, if you or anyone remembers - about 8-9 months ago, yourself or Julie posted a message into Bungi asking for info about renting a house/flat in UK for next year for some period of time around the proposed stained glass trip. I contacted her off-group and asked what she had in mind and could I help.Other than Glasgow (where I can't help much), the area she had in mind is right in the middle where I myself am based; close to Cambridge, Oxford, London, East Anglia region; Liverpool & Coventry about 90 minutes away by car. However, I haven't heard from her since, but perhaps she is ''sorted'' by now. Any trip I am likely to plan in the future is primaraly aimed at my stained glass students and the emphasis will be placed on affordability to the ''ordinary pocket''. Anyone joining us from abroad will be taken up by me/us as part of the family. Since it has worked so well before, I see no reason why it shouldn't do so again. Now you're talkin'! We'll come if the tour works out. And that'll happen only if 10-12 people have signed up by February or so. The outfit that's organized the tour has been doing Arts & Crafts tours in England for years, but this is the first one with a stained glass focus. They asked Julie to plan it, which she did in her usual inimitably thorough fashion, but their usual clientele is older, retired folks with time and money on their hands, a taste for fine food and excellent lodgings, etc., which means the cost is awfully high (I think). But if, as you say, lodging and meals are expensive in England no matter *what you do, perhaps it couldn't be done more cheaply in any case. Well, yes and no... It's often a question of knowing where to go and what your expectations are. A hotel-room in central London would cost you between UK Sterling 70 - 120 pp/p.night, and more if you expect crystal chandeliers in your room. An ''haute-cuisine dinner'' can easily set you back UK Sterling 100 for 2. ....Elisabeth's home-cooking comes for free.... ;-) ) But a perfectly adequate, simple, clean double room (with ensuite bathroom & shower) with one of the chain motels costs you UK Sterling 20 per ROOM/night. Private Bed & Breakfast, now about the same, but p.p. A lot of pubs and inns in UK are also run as hotels and can be delightful places to stay, as they often tend to be ''oldie-worldlie'' and quaint. This info might be helpful for anyone out there planning to do their own stained glass trip to UK. I'm not a member of the "older, retired" set (yet) and certainly not one with time and/or money on my hands, but at the same time, I've done with the youth hostel approach. ....Hmmm, yes... me too. Well, that's the thing. The price is "from London," so that's what the tour organizer would expect. Pretty much unworkable, I'd guess, for your group or Elizabeth's. Airfare isn't included, so that'd be the price. So far a few people (not enough yet) have said they plan on signing up; one woman in Mexico City plans to be in England anyway; others have said pretty much the same thing. We'll see. Great, if you have that sort of money! Current rate of exchange is approx USD 1.7 to the Pound, that makes the cost about UK Sterling 2,350 plus getting here. A 16-day all inclusive luxury tour to China from UK would cost me UK Sterling 1,650....... (including the fare). > We are also planning other trips to Europe, e.g. Augsburg in Germany. > I also welcome ideas from you "Across the Pond". My own aim is to > organize such trips that really are affordable and without costly > and unnecessary "frills", yet comfortable and cosy. Keep us posted on those. If they gel and we can be helpful in promoting them, we'd be glad to do so. I will! Take care now & get saving folks! Would love to see you over here! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 07:13:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:12:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Wedding invitations Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:14:21 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.31421.0> References: <<971111.082804.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass Precedence: bulk mail wrote: > > Well, you see, I've never framed an wedding invitation and never even > looked too closely at how one was done, but a friend has asked me to > frame her daughter's invitation with the pressed flowers and all. Now, > I'll talk to my supplier when I go up to get the stuff, but I thought I > would pick the bungi brains, too, since some of you have superior ideas. > Now I think the ones I have seen are mostly the invitation and pressed > flowers sandwiched between clear glass and glue chip (Sometimes other backing > glass). How do you get the flowers and invitation to stay put? I would guess > you need to leave small openings between the two pieces of glass or you > can get condensation between the ieces of glass, so how do you foil and > solder? How do you hang? Etc, etc? Anyone have any tips or ideas they > wish to share? > TIA > Dorothy K Dorothy, I've done a number of these. First get a piece of single strength clear plate glass and cut it to the size of the invitation, plus a little extra for a nice 1" or so border. Cut another piece of glass for the backside, something softly textured like glue chip. Clean both pieces of glass, then clean the pieces of glass again, and make sure that both pieces of glass are CLEAN. Then set the invitation down, face side up on the textured glass and carefully place the clear glass on top. Squeeze the glass panes together and use masking tape on two sides, draw the tape across the top glass, squeeze the sandwich together, then run it across the back glass. Do this at least on two sides. Then run a SMALL quantity of clear silicon caulk around the seam and let it set up overnight. Then pull the tape off, more caulk over the seamed area under the tape, let it set up for a few hours, then clean off the excess caulk with a razor blade. Foil it up and make a nice border. Note: If you don't seal the edge of the sandwich, you'll see flux soak right into the sandwich while you're soldering it up. Or, water will soak into the sandwich when you're cleaning it off. And, if none of that happens, then you'll get condensation inside it after you've already given to the newly weds (ouchhhhhhhh). Variations: consider a nice piece of clear GNA for the front glass, rather than the clear plate, but the sandwich will be noticably thicker, looks OK with bevels around the border. Good Luck, Mike Peck Summit Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 07:20:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:19:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:17:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.51715.0> References: <<1997Nov11.25145.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mike peck wrote: > > Shirley Suter wrote: > Using an X-acto knife, cut and clean away the excess of the "band-aid". > > Voila! No visible splits and the slickest solder beads this side of > > Slocum, TX! > > > > I know all this may not seem clear (much easier to show than to > > explain). If you don't understand (understandably!) or you wish to see > > this technique, just e-mail me directly and I will scan a few pieces of > > glass to show this technique in a little more detail. (Make sure your > > e-mail account allows attachments). > > > > Shirley, the possums, the cows and the deer > > Grapeland, Tx. > > ssuter@intrastar.net > > Shirley, > > Just wanted to send you a quick note ....... "slickest solder beads this > side of Slocum,TX!" I just love your posts. I still remember your > rendition of how to precisely calculate how tall a lampshade base should > be! And, I use it from time to time when one of my students asks. > > For those that missed it (about a year ago), check out the archives, it > was truly a bungi classic! > > Mike Peck > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i could'nt find it, and don't really remember it, could you repeat it, or paraphrase it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 07:33:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:32:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Two Questions Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199711111534.KAA00714@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I guess you could call me a lurker also.....I have been on the bungi email list for about a month now and have found it very helpful and the sites I have visited are wonderful. Now for my first question.....I am just starting in sandblasting and I am looking at a 40lb sandblaster system....it is a 10 gallon tank size for around $140.00...I am not sure of the Brand name...does it sound like a good size sandblaster....not too small? Next question is this if I put my work in a Consignment Shop.....as I said I am a beginner...what is a good percentage like 75/25....80/20? Right now I just want to get my work out there to be seen. I live in the Ohio area. Thanks for any input! Sheba ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 08:11:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: RJF2.RJF.COM!BETTY_HALL From: BETTY_HALL@RJF2.RJF.COM (BETTY HALL) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: 11 Nov 97 11:11:08 EST Message-ID: <687B6834015D3179@-SMF-> References: <<677B6834025D3179@-SMF->> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I live in the Tampa area, and have some of my things in a local Gallery. The split there is 60/40. I have the benefit for her advertising, experience, clientele and the variety of art she has that attracts customers. Well worth the spilt to me! Betty, Internal Audit, Ext. 4160 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 08:21:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:20:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:20:05 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.4205.0> References: <<1997Nov11.25145.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service Precedence: bulk mike peck wrote: > Shirley, > > Just wanted to send you a quick note ....... "slickest solder beads this > side of Slocum,TX!" I just love your posts. Hi Mike, Thanks. Been a long time since I've blushed....WHAT A RUSH!!! S. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 08:30:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:29:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: mike peck To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:31:41 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.43141.0> References: <<1997Nov11.51715.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Summit Stained Glass Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > > mike peck wrote: > > > > Shirley Suter wrote: > > Using an X-acto knife, cut and clean away the excess of the "band-aid". > > > Voila! No visible splits and the slickest solder beads this side of > > > Slocum, TX! > > > > > > I know all this may not seem clear (much easier to show than to > > > explain). If you don't understand (understandably!) or you wish to see > > > this technique, just e-mail me directly and I will scan a few pieces of > > > glass to show this technique in a little more detail. (Make sure your > > > e-mail account allows attachments). > > > > > > Shirley, the possums, the cows and the deer > > > Grapeland, Tx. > > > ssuter@intrastar.net > > > > Shirley, > > > > Just wanted to send you a quick note ....... "slickest solder beads this > > side of Slocum,TX!" I just love your posts. I still remember your > > rendition of how to precisely calculate how tall a lampshade base should > > be! And, I use it from time to time when one of my students asks. > > > > For those that missed it (about a year ago), check out the archives, it > > was truly a bungi classic! > > > > Mike Peck > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > i could'nt find it, and don't really remember it, could you repeat it, > or paraphrase it. > > ---Mike Savad > I certainly couldn't mimick that wonderful Texas flavor that Shirley adds to her posts, but in essence, she said to place several sizes of bases on a table and have someone (with a large insurance policy and you as the benefactor) hold the shade above each one while you look at them from a distance. The one that looks just right has got to be the one you want. Seems like everyone has some formula for determining the precise hieght of a base to support a certain diameter of shade, but ultimately I think Shirley's answer was the most useful. Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 08:33:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:32:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.43213.0> References: <<1997Nov11.51715.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service Precedence: bulk M. Savad quoted volumes, then wrote: > i could'nt find it, and don't really remember it, could you repeat it, > or paraphrase it. > > ---Mike Savad Sorry, M.S., no can do. Learned a long time ago that an "Encore Performance" is simply a chance for the audience to AIM BETTER. Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 08:45:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:44:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crcwnet.com!dandl From: David Loda To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [Fwd: Photo Resist] Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:51:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.05156.0> References: <<1997Nov10.55413.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee Precedence: bulk Thanks for your information, 11x14 is just fine for the things I want to get done. Maybe in a few years I'll upgrade to the full size photo resist or a knife plotter. Once again, thanks Wildeworks wrote: > David; > We use a Letralite uv unit with our Paragrave Sandblaster. We hsve had this unit for 2 yrs now and had no trouble with it > .It works great for small things, but anything over 11 by 14 would have to done on a bigger light. We use paragrave resist > with it. > Hope this helps. > > Wildeworks > Designs in Glass > www.alaska.net/~rsully/ > wildewk@pobox.alaska.net > > David Loda wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Photo Resist > > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:59:22 -0800 > > From: David Loda > > Organization: Art Glass of Wenatchee > > To: Glass@bungi.com > > > > I'm in the process of getting a sandblasting unit and I need imput on > > the UV Letralite kits available thru both Rayzist and Photobrasive. > > Anyone out there have any working knowledge with them? Since they are a > > 10th of the price of the full size exposing equipment are they a 10th of > > the worth. If you wish to take this off line, you can email me at > > dandl@crcwnet.com > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Dave > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 09:21:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wedding invitations Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:18:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.71837.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Another trick with soldering of wedding invitations in glass (I just got married in September and made a keepsake for my husband and myself) is to use a new product that came out recently, the flux pen. The flux pen contains a liquid flux which you can apply to foil or lead in controlled amounts. If you use the flux pen, there is next to no possibility of flux seeping into your piece. Additionally, the cleanup with alcohol afterwards is made very easy since there is very little greasy flux to remove! Jenna Meredith-Sanders Meredith Stained Glass http://www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 09:59:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:57:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:36:58, -0500 Message-ID: <199711111736.MAA23458@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > We are also planning other trips to Europe, e.g. Augsburg in Germany. > I also welcome ideas from you "Across the Pond". My own aim is to > organize such trips that really are affordable and without costly > and unnecessary "frills", yet comfortable and cosy. Bob writes, Exactly my idea for a tour I would like to go on. Some of us that work with our hands & hearts simply do not want to or can not spend big bucks for a few days enjoyment when we have the lost wages & expenses of being away from our chosen work. I love fine food & did some in last night. I got to choose the time, place & type of food. Just want to eat the local food on a tour to live & not live to eat. Same with the logging. Must be clean, comfortable & realitively secure. Nothing more. When I am through with a day of touring I expect to go to sleep to get ready for the next day & not spend time admiring the woodwork. When it comes to seeing glass I am very serious & want to see it all. Just a few free thoughts, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 11:24:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:23:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TifStyOrig From: TifStyOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:23:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.92329.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As for an answer to question two: I live in Delray Beach, FL and I have my pieces in a local stained glass shop for a 25% commission fee. That works great for my larger pieces, but bites into my profit on the smaller pieces. Instead, I do local shows, home shows and "word of mouth" to sell the smaller pieces, which is necessary bread & butter money. I am a home-bound Glassartisan (my humble, self-imposed knickname for glass crafter/artisan), I don't have the manpower yet to open my own shop, and the local market affords me the opportunity to stay "in touch" with my love for glass, while making a little pin money! :>) Diane Manchester Tiffany Styled Originals ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 12:01:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stained Glass Trips Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.95959.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert & Elisabeth! All this talk about stained glass trips is making me yearn! When I read about the UK trip, Albert, I was ready to hop on the plane in a hearbeat... until I got to the price... sadly, it's a bit rich for my blood... so frustrating since the Pre-Raphaelites are my faves... and tea at the Red House...sigh. But, thanks to Elisabeth, I'm not so depressed anymore! I have no idea how we'll get away during the summer, but just = dreaming about it makes me drool. And I love the frugal- but-not-too-cheap approach... just my style! As far as the Swedish tour, I know the organizer... we live in the same town. Contact me off-bungi for more info. Best regards, Dani Greer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 12:01:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Wedding invitations Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:00:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.1005.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Congratulations, Jenna! :-) Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 12:38:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wedding invitations--an added touch Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:09:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.10932.0> References: <<971111.082804.EST.HCLADM02@uconnvm.uconn.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've never made one, but there's a nice one in my local retailer's shop that someone made for him and his wife. They used an irridized pink/white glass for the background, the dried flowers, and put down a fine lace or trim before they put down the announcement so that the lace made a frame around it. It looks really nice. Jerri On Tue, 11 Nov 97 08:21:35 EST mail writes: >Well, you see, I've never framed an wedding invitation and never even >looked too closely at how one was done, but a friend has asked me to >frame her daughter's invitation with the pressed flowers and all. >Now, >I'll talk to my supplier when I go up to get the stuff, but I thought >I >would pick the bungi brains, too, since some of you have superior >ideas. >Now I think the ones I have seen are mostly the invitation and pressed >flowers sandwiched between clear glass and glue chip (Sometimes other >backing >glass). How do you get the flowers and invitation to stay put? I >would guess >you need to leave small openings between the two pieces of glass or >you >can get condensation between the ieces of glass, so how do you foil >and >solder? How do you hang? Etc, etc? Anyone have any tips or ideas >they >wish to share? >TIA >Dorothy K > >-- >Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 >UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 >HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 12:42:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:41:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:39:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.103952.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would be interested in information regarding stained glass trips/tours for the "affordable" pocketbook. Please e-mail me at LElsbury@aol.com. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 12:55:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:55:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morse Museum Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:53:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.105348.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk About this museum, where in Florida is it located. I would like to see it when I go to Florida this winter. Thank you in advance Bubstah@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 14:41:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:38:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: remove Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:37:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.123752.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please remove my name from this companies mailing list. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 15:39:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Inside Curves Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov11.73618.0> References: <<1997Nov10.181112.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Jerri: You can do inside curves without the foil splinting! When wrapping the foil start in the middle of the curve and wrap around. Then take a stylus and gently begin to burnish the curved area allowing it to "stretch" as you go. If you take your time, you will find it easy to eliminate the split foil. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 15:55:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Morse Museum Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.132445.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The Morse Museum is in Winter Park which is just NE of Orlando, about a 15 minute drive from downtown Orlando or 30 minutes from Sea World, a bit longer from the Disney Hotels. It is located off of Interstate-4, exit at Fairview Ave East to Park Ave, left or north on Park about 1 mile. If you're in a hurry, you can go through it in 2 hours. Depending on your interest, it could take longer. The docents are very knowledgeable and be sure to ask for one to fully learn about the pieces on display. They do not have their own web page yet but an article written by a local arts reviewer on the Museum can be seen at http://www.goflorida.com/central/orlando/see/museum/morse.html Hope you enjoy it. I go back often and always find more that fascinates me. -----Original Message----- From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Morse Museum >About this museum, where in Florida is it located. I would like to see it >when I go to Florida this winter. >Thank you in advance >Bubstah@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 16:42:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:41:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Stained Glass Book Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:41:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971111194153.006ab570@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone read or used the SGAA Reference and Technical Manual, if so how would you rate it and was it worth the money. I found it the other night while chasing a bunch of stained glass links. I'm a sucker for a good book and I can usually get over the cost if the book contains good relevant information and advice. Thanks . Robert Keane rkeane3@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 16:52:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Looking for a patterns ... free, of course ;\ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971111184449.00761e5c@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1997Nov10.4054.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > A friend wants me to make her a frog suncatcher as a gift for her >mom. That reminds me, I've been trying to find a gecko pattern for a mosaic I want to make ... a stained glass pattern will work equally well. Indeed, I probably will make a couple of stepping stones to match as well. I've drawn a couple and I just don't love how they're coming out ... the curve of the body is giving me trouble! :\ Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! M.-J. ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the rest.**** M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 16:53:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Owl eyes... Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:51:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971111195151.0076a0d4@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1997Nov10.34040.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk http://www.tohickonglasseyes.com/ very cool!! Thanks. M.-J. At 11:15 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >Sandi, > >I found owl eyes at this site called Tohickon Glass eyes. Check it >out. You'll have to do a search 'cause I lost the URL... > ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the rest.**** M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 17:20:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:19:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 3-d squiggles Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.151756.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19971111195151.0076a0d4@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk here's an odd request, but maybe someone here might know of a site. i need 3-d squiggles. i need to get ideas for the project i'm working on, i need some inspiration. the shape would be simaler to soft speggetti on it's end. i'm just having problems visualizing it. i could even use, maybe a geometetry shape page. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 18:02:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:00:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: io.com!dsj From: dsj@io.com (Diane Jacobs) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:07:47 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >i've used 3-M transparency sheets and cover sheets. every so often they >send me some free samples, along with a card for more free samples, and >it's kind of endless... anyway, i've used the things (acetate >basically), for covering my paper pattern so it does'nt get wet. and >for the odd pattern as well. > >---Mike Savad > Mike, how did you get on that mailing list? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 18:18:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:16:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: io.com!dsj From: dsj@io.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Numerous posts Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:24:07 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I enjoy this newsgroup, and don't want to discourage any of the wonderful discussion, but posit the following for your consideration: I work all day, come home, check my e-mail, and recently have been finding 50+ messages only from bungi. Most of which I never get to, because there just isn't time. Please keep this in mind as you post; if even a few people could cut back from six or eight postings a day to two or three, even if they consolidate, I'd be able to keep up & enjoy all this. As it is, I'm on the verge of unsubscribing, due to critical mass. Thanks for your time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 19:09:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:07:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Postings (((: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All of you wonderful glass artists! Please don't cut back on the postings! I am thrilled that this list has really become quite active & really enjoy reading everyone's posts...even if I don't get time to post that often. Maybe the solution is to allow those who wish a digest form of the list? Then you would only receive 1 email for the day & you could browse / print out at your leisure. Several of the lists I am on have this option. A special big thank you to what a wonderful creative addition Mike is to this list..he always makes me smile & I really appreciate all of his hard work on his web site. If you haven't had a chance to check it out please do. Whimsical & fun! Get cutting! Di ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* _ |\_ \` ..\ Di Baker __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm `-----'`-----` `--` ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 19:12:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:10:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Taurus II ring saw Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Whoops! My new Taurus ring saw arrived late last night & I am so thrilled with this purchase. I also love to handcut alot of my glass but am glad to see that I now have this option when I need to do thos e more difficult cuts that I don't feel comfortable with as yet (((: So I read the instructions...nothing about CLEANING )): Did I overlook? How often do I have to change water? Do you really need ice all the time on the left hand side? Is it safe to dump the water down the loo? I know alot of questions. Thank you Glass Crafters for such wonderful fast service! Thanks, ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* _ |\_ \` ..\ Di Baker __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm `-----'`-----` `--` ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 11 20:31:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:29:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: mindwarp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Owl eyes... Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:21:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov11.182129.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19971111195151.0076a0d4@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for posting this site............They have the eyes I need... M.-J. Taylor wrote: > > http://www.tohickonglasseyes.com/ > > very cool!! > > Thanks. > > M.-J. > > At 11:15 PM 11/11/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Sandi, > > > >I found owl eyes at this site called Tohickon Glass eyes. Check it > >out. You'll have to do a search 'cause I lost the URL... ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 00:44:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:44:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Book Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:52:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199711120845.DAA15546@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Has anyone read or used the SGAA Reference and Technical Manual, if so how > would you rate it and was it worth the money. There was a long review of it in Professional Stained Glass magazine, June 1989, shortly after the book was published. The reviewers, myself, Gene Mallard, Rachel Mesrahi, Joe Porcelli, Monona Rossol, and Julie L. Sloan, had quite a bit to say about it. You can find that at http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/sgaa.htm Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 05:09:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:08:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: Int'l.Guild.of.Glass.Artists@ns.computer.net Subject: Orrefors glass trip redux Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:12:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199711121305.IAA18370@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The organizers of the trip to the Orrefors glass factory in Sweden just sent us a note that the deadline for applying for a spot on the tour has been pushed back two weeks. So if you've been thinking about it, change your calendar to show the deadline on December 1st. Here's the updated info, as it appears on http://www.stainedglassbiz.com under "Events," along with a lot of other upcoming stuff: Nordic Art Glass, in conjunction with Orrefors Crystal, is sponsoring a glass intensive trip to Sweden during August 1998 as part of the 100th anniversary of Orrefors Crystal. Visit their web site at http://co.nbci.net/crystal/ or contact Bill Geary at Nordic Art Glass, P.O. Box 2247, Colorado Springs, CO 80901 or call (719) 527-0810 for a brochure. Email: NordGlass@aol.com The deadline for reserving a spot is December 1, 1997 (!) so hurry! Albert Lewis, Executive Director ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 05:36:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:36:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Robert & Jeanne Keane To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Stained Glass Book Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:35:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.33549.0> References: <<199711120845.DAA15546@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Albert , As usual thanks for the excellent information. I checked out the review of the book and I am glad I haven't yet ordered it, by the way the price for the book is up to $225.00 and the number of pages is 816 according to the description on their web page. So I think I'll wait on this until a better book is recommended. Robert & Jeanne Hee Sun Stained Glass jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 06:01:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:01:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Thanks Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:08:20 -0500 Message-ID: <199711121403.JAA29027@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk THANKS to all who responded to my two questions!!!! All the responses were a big help! Keep those posting coming! They are very informative! Thanks again! Sheba ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 06:07:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:06:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Looking for a patterns ... free, of course ;\ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:08:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.486.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gecko, huh? Isn't that similar to a lizzard? One of my Glass Patterns Quarterlys has a nice pattern. I'll look at it = tonight. It you need just the issue number or a xerox copy, let me know = and I'll send it along. Linda ---------- From: M.-J. Taylor[SMTP:athena@netrox.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 6:44 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Looking for a patterns ... free, of course ;\ > A friend wants me to make her a frog suncatcher as a gift for her >mom.=20 That reminds me, I've been trying to find a gecko pattern for a mosaic I want to make ... a stained glass pattern will work equally well. Indeed, = I probably will make a couple of stepping stones to match as well.=20 I've drawn a couple and I just don't love how they're coming out ... the curve of the body is giving me trouble! :\ Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! M.-J. ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave = the rest.**** M.-J. Taylor=20 =20 Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) =20 |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 06:10:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:09:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: 3-d squiggles Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:11:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.41122.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Try turning your search engine to knots, knot tying, and celtic knots. = Somewhere I saw a nice page with computer generated knots and such. Just = a thought. Linda P.s. Thanks for the advice about the lighthouse platform.=20 ---------- From: M. Savad[SMTP:morn@nac.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 8:17 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: 3-d squiggles here's an odd request, but maybe someone here might know of a site. i need 3-d squiggles. i need to get ideas for the project i'm working on, i need some inspiration. the shape would be simaler to soft speggetti on it's end. i'm just having problems visualizing it.=20 i could even use, maybe a geometetry shape page. ---Mike Savad --=20 Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 06:21:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:20:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Numerous posts Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:21:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.42123.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Every one in favor of this, raise your left finger - OFF the mouse = button. I for one have been on a list for weaving. Everything came once = a day and it was a day before you got response to your questions. It was = overwelming to me and I did not get the same since of and = conversation that I get from bungi the way it is right now. I vote keep = it like it is. Linda Campbell ---------- From: dsj@io.com[SMTP:dsj@io.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 9:24 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Numerous posts I enjoy this newsgroup, and don't want to discourage any of the = wonderful discussion, but posit the following for your consideration: I work all day, come home, check my e-mail, and recently have been finding 50+ messages only from bungi. Most of which I never get to, because there = just isn't time. Please keep this in mind as you post; if even a few people could cut = back from six or eight postings a day to two or three, even if they = consolidate, I'd be able to keep up & enjoy all this. As it is, I'm on the verge of unsubscribing, due to critical mass. Thanks for your time. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 06:48:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:47:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:34:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.43452.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane Jacobs wrote: > > >i've used 3-M transparency sheets and cover sheets. every so often they > >send me some free samples, along with a card for more free samples, and > >it's kind of endless... anyway, i've used the things (acetate > >basically), for covering my paper pattern so it does'nt get wet. and > >for the odd pattern as well. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > > Mike, how did you get on that mailing list? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass http://www.mmm.com i believe is their address. a while ago they offered a bunch of free samples. i so often, sometimes under different names. apparently they don't check their database, and i get 2-5 sets of samples every now and then. everything from post-it notes, to flags, to those plastic sheets. i would cruise there, and see if you can get a catalog or something from them, maybe that wuold work. ---Mike Savad or try http://www.3m.com -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 06:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:48:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus II ring saw Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:42:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.44253.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Di Baker wrote: > > Whoops! My new Taurus ring saw arrived late last night & I am so thrilled > with this purchase. I also love to handcut alot of my glass but am glad to > see that I now have this option when I need to do thos e more difficult > cuts that I don't feel comfortable with as yet (((: > > So I read the instructions...nothing about CLEANING )): Did I overlook? How > often do I have to change water? Do you really need ice all the time on the > left hand side? Is it safe to dump the water down the loo? > > I know alot of questions. Thank you Glass Crafters for such wonderful fast > service! > > Thanks, > > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > _ |\_ > \` ..\ Di Baker > __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, > jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney > _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: > ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm > `-----'`-----` `--` > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i hav'nt had it for a long time, but here's what i know: 1. the ice is only meant if your going to do alot of cutting. i think the cold water keeps the blade slightly tighter, and supposley cuts better. i personally hav'nt tried this yet. 2. to clean, you need to unplug it, remove the grid, and dump out the water. a vagetable type sprayer (the hose on your sink), works pretty well in washing any slime out. just make sure to fill up to that line with water again. 3. i just dump my water down the drain. a toilet may fill to quickly. but i also don't have a septic system, and there may be different rules for that. and taurus has a web site http://www.geminisaw.com/ they could answer the questions you might have. i've already met jesse the inventor of the saw he's a nice guy... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 07:41:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:41:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Numerous posts Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.53854.0> References: <<1997Nov12.42123.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. Linda Campbell wrote: > > Every one in favor of this, raise your left finger - OFF the mouse = > button. I for one have been on a list for weaving. Everything came once = > a day and it was a day before you got response to your questions. It was = > overwelming to me and I did not get the same since of and = > conversation that I get from bungi the way it is right now. I vote keep = > it like it is. > > Linda Campbell > > ---------- > From: dsj@io.com[SMTP:dsj@io.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 9:24 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Numerous posts > > I enjoy this newsgroup, and don't want to discourage any of the = > wonderful > discussion, but posit the following for your consideration: I work all > day, come home, check my e-mail, and recently have been finding 50+ > messages only from bungi. Most of which I never get to, because there = > just > isn't time. > > Please keep this in mind as you post; if even a few people could cut = > back > from six or eight postings a day to two or three, even if they = > consolidate, > I'd be able to keep up & enjoy all this. > > As it is, I'm on the verge of unsubscribing, due to critical mass. > Thanks for your time. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass by left finger, do you mead middle finger?... :) anyway, i was'nt planning on changing my format. ya read, what ya can read... ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 07:44:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:43:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 3-d squiggles Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:42:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.54219.0> References: <<1997Nov12.41122.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Linda Campbell wrote: > > Try turning your search engine to knots, knot tying, and celtic knots. = > Somewhere I saw a nice page with computer generated knots and such. Just = > a thought. > > Linda > > P.s. Thanks for the advice about the lighthouse platform.=20 > > ---------- > From: M. Savad[SMTP:morn@nac.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 8:17 PM > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: 3-d squiggles > > here's an odd request, but maybe someone here might know of a site. i > need 3-d squiggles. i need to get ideas for the project i'm working on, > i need some inspiration. the shape would be simaler to soft speggetti on > it's end. i'm just having problems visualizing it.=20 > > i could even use, maybe a geometetry shape page. > > ---Mike Savad > > --=20 > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass knots, and celtic knots, was an idea i had in mind. basically i keep seeing "dancing speggetti". these are going to be armaturs, that will be on the lower part of the lamp base (which will hold the whole lamp up. basically i need bent pillars, they have to look good, look like they belong, and be strong enough to support the entire lamp. the whole lamp will have an "ancient-future" look. kind of like when someone makes a picture of atlantis, though it has flying cars, the basic construction is shown as giant blocks. i have about a dozen ideas in my head right now for this section.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 07:47:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:47:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: webtv.net!GlassGuru From: GlassGuru@webtv.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Taurus II ring saw/sludge Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:46:58 -0800 Message-ID: <199711121546.HAA28046@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dumping the water from your grinder or saw down the sink? Glass sludge will settle and become somewhat hard even in water. The same holds true for washing your project in the sink and having any little tiny solder balls go down the drain. If you don't mind the plumber making trips to your house then go ahead. Otherwise, rinse your grinder or saw out in a container and dispose of the sludge to the landfill or garbage, not down the drain or even outside. The last thing you'd want is your pet licking up water that has glass sludge in it. Cody The "GlassGuru" The Ralph Nader of Glass Crusader of truths & commentary. ".....and a really neat guy!" See me at: www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 08:13:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:12:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Taurus II ring saw/sludge Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:11:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.6118.0> References: <<199711121546.HAA28046@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GlassGuru@webtv.net wrote: > > Dumping the water from your grinder or saw down the sink? Glass sludge > will settle and become somewhat hard even in water. The same holds true > for washing your project in the sink and having any little tiny solder > balls go down the drain. If you don't mind the plumber making trips to > your house then go ahead. > Otherwise, rinse your grinder or saw out in a container and dispose of > the sludge to the landfill or garbage, not down the drain or even > outside. The last thing you'd want is your pet licking up water that has > glass sludge in it. > Cody > > The "GlassGuru" > The Ralph Nader of Glass > Crusader of truths & commentary. > ".....and a really neat guy!" > See me at: > www.suresite.com/or/g/glassguru > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass wehn i empty my grinder, i always scrape up as much as the goop as i can, then sponge the rest out. generally i dpn't have enough glass goo in the bandsaw to worry about stuff like that. usually i put my spray head on high, and blast the drain with water, after dumping anything. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 09:37:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:36:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Numerous posts (offtopic) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:37:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971112123734.00714d30@pop.netrox.net> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk dsj@io.com wrote an unsigned message which suggested the traffic is too heavy around bungi.com ... Dear dsj, I appreciate your concern, but I get so much out of this list ... I would be sorry to see the messages abate at all, even the ones that are slightly or very off-topic. I belong to about 6 lists on various topics, some have more some have less traffic than this list. I make judicious use of the Delete button and I use filters so I can read mail on glass or whatever only when convenient. I know not everyone can filter their email ... but Pegasus is free for those who have regular Internet access and don't want to spring for Eudora Pro (which is a dream email client). I've used Pegasus, too, and it's a terrific program, too. AOLers get five user names and could devote one user name to the list or lists ...so that list mail isn't mixed in the same InBox as personal mail. Just a suggestion or two for those who find the traffic hard to manage. At 08:24 PM 11/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >I enjoy this newsgroup, and don't want to discourage any of the wonderful >discussion, but ... recently have been finding 50+ >messages only from bungi. Most of which I never get to, because there just >isn't time.... ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the rest.**** M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 09:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:46:11 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Book Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:53:34 +0000 Message-ID: <199711121746.MAA24842@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Albert , > As usual thanks for the excellent information. I checked out the review > of the book and I am glad I haven't yet ordered it, by the way the price > for the book is up to $225.00 and the number of pages is 816 Hmm. Well, the big binder full of stuff that was reviewed had a different page count, I guess. And I *thought the price seemed low compared to what I'd remembered seeing recently. Perhaps they pulled a bunch of stuff (the beauty of binders) and upped the price. Who knows? Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 10:41:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:40:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: remc7.k12.mi.us!slamb From: Sally Lamb To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Numerous Posts Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: <199711121839.NAA02016@server.remc7.k12.mi.us> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm happy with the way things are now. Please don't change! Sally ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 10:53:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Frogs Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:42:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.5421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk Try the Spectrum Site they had several while back. Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 13:33:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:31:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Pebeo paints Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:21:29 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.112129.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Today's my first attempt at painting on glass with the paints that bake on the glass in the oven. Nothing too complicated, just frog eyes. Has anyone tried the plastic tubes with the metal tips for outlining? I think Pebeo makes them too. Since I can't seem to get a real steady line, I was wondering if these work very well. I always like to ask before buying a "gadget". thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 14:00:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:59:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Mirror Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:00:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971112170023.0071f278@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1997Nov12.5421.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all, I'm having a frustrating day ... working on a mosaic mirror frame and using mirror as 'tessarae' -- when I pulled the clear adhesive tape back, many of the tessarae came, too! I've never had this happen with tile -- :(. I assume the problem has to do with how smooth the back of mirror is compared with tile. I didn't do this stepping stone style -- because I want to grout between the mirror tessarae -- so I made a form around hardibacker, poured cement and pressed my assembled pattern gently onto the cement. FWIW, I also learned not to use mirror with a thickness less than 1/8" -- I've had to scrape cement from between the tessarae to make room for grout. Any feedback and ideas for the next round are more than welcome! I plan to make a couple of these for Christmas presents. Thanks! M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 15:34:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:33:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Two Questions Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.13336.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Sheba: > Next question is this if I put my work in a Consignment Shop.....as I= said I am a beginner...what is a good percentage like 75/25....80/20? Right now I ju= st want to get my work out there to be seen. I live in the Ohio area. < Can't help you with the sandblasting question, but sure can with the consignment question. What do you mean by "Consignment Shop"? If it's an art gallery where stained glass compliments other artworks, you can expect to get 60% and the gallery owner receives 40%. Some galleries do 50/50, but I would rather do wholesale for that small of a percent. Now, if by "Consignment Shop" you mean those craft malls whereby you rent a space and place your goods inside and the craft mall takes a percentage to cover advertising, credit card processing, etc.... Then don't agree to more than 10% for them. Remember, they're already making money by charging you rent, so they shouldn't also get too much of your 'cut' of the money. I started with the craft malls, and rapidly realized by type of contemporary stained glass looked real out-of-place next to the crows-on-a-stick wooden crafts and knitted-pink-ketchup-bottle- covers. Country and contemporary should not be mixed. It does nothing for either style. So, research your market prior to shelling out cash for the rent in a place which is not suited to your product line. Been there, done that. Am making a heck of a lot more $$ by going with up-scale art galleries. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 15:35:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:33:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Froggy inside curves Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.133255.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yea, that tree frog pattern from Spectrum is a good one. You can = 'fudge' the design a bit and make the inside curves less steep. Make sure you choose nice, friendly glass like green cathedral to make the cutting more predictable, and warm the glass prior to cutting. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 16:25:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:24:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: sorry Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.14254.0> References: <<1997Nov11.43837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Please forgive me for posting yet another misguided REMOVE note to the list. In a fit of pique, I replied without thinking...hummmm, replying without thinking is my second favorite hobby! :-) Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 16:26:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:25:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.142614.0> References: <<1997Nov9.24233.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Glenna, if I got removed, would you please put me back on the list? Thanks, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 17:44:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:43:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "mikey friggy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Froggy inside curves Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:44:01 -0500 Message-ID: <199711130142.UAA24101@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glad you enjoyed the frog pattern. If you dig deeper at the Spectrum site you'll find several more that we have contributed over the years (yes, I have a special affinity for frogs- 12 year old scotch as well but that's another story) As for your colour selection for the frog, I think the use of a ring mottle from Bullseye (6000 series) or Uroboros would be more suitable. Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada (Tel:416-252-6868) Canada's first and still only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. ---------- From: Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo To: INTERNET:glass@bungi.com Subject: Froggy inside curves Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 6:32 PM Yea, that tree frog pattern from Spectrum is a good one. You can = 'fudge' the design a bit and make the inside curves less steep. Make sure you choose nice, friendly glass like green cathedral to make the cutting more predictable, and warm the glass prior to cutting. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 18:21:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:21:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: %'age Consignment Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:19:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971113011930.0067943c@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 06:33 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Message text written by Sheba: >> Next question is this if I put my work in a Consignment Shop.....as I= >said I am a beginner...what is a good percentage like 75/25....80/20? Right now I >just want to get my work out there to be seen. I live in the Ohio area. < > I think you'll find each area of the states slightly different. Here in Alaska I have paid from 30% to 35% for consignm't in st'glass shops. Sometimes the percentage changes depending on the size (and therefore price) of the items. Some stained glass shops will give you a higher pecentage if you take it in 'trade' rather than cash, not a bad deal if you buy from them anyway. I'd suggest asking at all the local stained glass shops, gift shops, art galaries, flower shops, or whatever you are interested in. There shouldn't be a lot of diff. in them (here in Alaska I have found the 'gift' shops charge the most). If there is, go with the one that gives you the best deal (just be sure that they can sell the glass. I agree with Christie, I would not go for 50/50 (or even 60/40!) but I guess it depends on how badly you want to sell your stuff. Good Luck. Rojean, Alaska ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 18:33:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:33:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: sorry Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov12.163123.0> References: <<1997Nov12.14254.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > Please forgive me for posting yet another misguided REMOVE note to the > list. In a fit of pique, I replied without thinking...hummmm, replying > without thinking is my second favorite hobby! :-) > > Hilary > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah, slowly eveyone who unsubscribed about a dozen or so by my count, will soon relize there accident, and will be coming back on... :) but for those who may have left before the annoucement, my page is updated again http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 18:51:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:50:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Looking for a patterns ... free, of course ;\ Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:50:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199711130248.UAA19432@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "M.-J. Taylor" > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Looking for a patterns ... free, of course ;\ > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:44:49 -0500 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > A friend wants me to make her a frog suncatcher as a gift for her > >mom. > > That reminds me, I've been trying to find a gecko pattern for a mosaic I > want to make ... a stained glass pattern will work equally well. Indeed, I > probably will make a couple of stepping stones to match as well. > > I've drawn a couple and I just don't love how they're coming out ... the > curve of the body is giving me trouble! :\ Any help would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks! > > M.-J. Check out the Spectrum Glass site M.J... They had several frogs in thier free patterns area... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 12 20:46:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:45:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!clipper1 From: clipper1@erols.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Looking for a patterns ... free, of course ;\ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971113004250.254f7192@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if they are quite geckos, but I've always liked the Escher lizards - you might find a picture and use thta as a starting point for tracing the outline of a gecko pattern. Carol At 06:44 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > >> A friend wants me to make her a frog suncatcher as a gift for her >>mom. > >That reminds me, I've been trying to find a gecko pattern for a mosaic I >want to make ... a stained glass pattern will work equally well. Indeed, I >probably will make a couple of stepping stones to match as well. > >I've drawn a couple and I just don't love how they're coming out ... the >curve of the body is giving me trouble! :\ Any help would be greatly >appreciated! > >Thanks! > >M.-J. >****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the >rest.**** > >M.-J. Taylor > > >Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, > we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) > > > |\ ( ) > _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ > ----- -_-_ > -- - - >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 06:06:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:05:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Froggy inside curves Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:03:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.4340.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >As for your colour selection for the frog, I think the use of a ring mottle from Bullseye (6000 series) or Uroboros would be more suitable.< Yes, I agree with using ring mottle or Uroboros glass would be more suitable, but the question was not one of color, but of help in cutting and foiling= tight inside curves. Therefore my suggestion of a nice, friendly cutting glass= like a cathedral. Ring mottle and most thick opaque glass is not terribly friendly to deep inside cuts, particularly when there might be 4 of these on one piece. Just my $.02 worth. BTW, there are some really nice tree frog patterns i= n the "Australian Bush Babies" pattern book! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 06:30:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:29:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CColdfeet From: CColdfeet@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Exotic Animal Auction Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:29:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov13.42929.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please "remove" me from your mailing list. Thank you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 06:59:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:58:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Tips on Spectrum site search, please Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:59:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971113095921.006dec0c@pop.netrox.net> References: <<199711130142.UAA24101@tor-srs1.netcom.ca>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:44 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Glad you enjoyed the frog pattern. If you dig deeper at the Spectrum site >you'll find several more that we have contributed over the years I guess I need some special tutoring. I can find very few patterns on Spectrum ... and would love to have some help or tips on searching the site. Thanks! M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 07:25:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tips on Spectrum site search, please Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.5233.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19971113095921.006dec0c@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M.-J. Taylor wrote: > > At 08:44 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Glad you enjoyed the frog pattern. If you dig deeper at the Spectrum site > >you'll find several more that we have contributed over the years > > I guess I need some special tutoring. I can find very few patterns on > Spectrum ... and would love to have some help or tips on searching the site. > > Thanks! > > M.-J. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think it's just all under pattens in the side menu. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 07:55:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:55:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!glass_artist From: glass_artist@juno.com (Lori J Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Numerous Posts...an idea Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:49:48 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.34948.0> References: <<02041115568650@sure.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Here's an idea for the folks who might not want to be overwhelmed by bungi posts at the end of the day: I have a free, stand-alone mail program called Juno. There are even a lot of free web based email sites available now. The only thing I use this site for is my mail lists. That way if I'm unable to sign on for a couple of days all of the Bungi posts won't be all mixed in with emails that I need to be reading right away or orders from my web page. It won't stop the number of posts, but it makes it a little easier to organize. Hope it helps, LJ ________________________________________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, owner & artist can be reached at: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design : "Unique & handcrafted gift items" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 10:30:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Froggy inside curves Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:24:37, -0500 Message-ID: <199711131824.NAA08464@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Doing something like a frogs foot in stained glass is a real problem. My solution is to cut the several pieces, overlap them slightly and then fuse them in a kiln. Several small fused pieces in a window can add much interest and realism as well as value. Stained glass studios with a kiln will be (or at least should be) glad to fire these pieces for a small fee. There are kilns available that have firing chambers as small as three inches that can do the work for pennies. Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 11:39:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:38:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tips on Spectrum site/reply Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:36:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971113183649.0067a444@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi M.- J. There are a total of 98 patterns on the Spectrum site. Use the slider in the left frame of the site, there will be numbers 1 thru 11 below the word 'PATTERNS', click on these numbers to bring up one page at a time. Each page shows 9 pattern pictures. To download the patterns you will need to download Adobe Acrobat first (if you don't aleady have it). I glanced thru the pages (which I have printed out for quick ref) and found five frog patterns. Good Luck Rojean Alaska ---------------- At 09:59 AM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:44 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Glad you enjoyed the frog pattern. If you dig deeper at the Spectrum site >>you'll find several more that we have contributed over the years > > >I guess I need some special tutoring. I can find very few patterns on >Spectrum ... and would love to have some help or tips on searching the site. > >Thanks! > >M.-J. > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 12:40:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:39:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Froggy inside curves Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:33:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.103315.0> References: <<199711131824.NAA08464@mime4.prodigy.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My retailer just opened up last year, and just last month got a couple of kilns and will be offering a fusing class in Jan. I'm really excited about learning about this and incorporating in into projects. He wasn't sure what he's going to do about renting kiln time, but I sure hope he comes up with something so I can use it once in a while. For now, I'm just going to do the best I can on the frog feet. (I got the head done, but haven't gotten to the feet yet.) Jerri On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:24:37, -0500 YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) writes: >Doing something like a frogs foot in stained glass is a real problem. >My solution is to cut the several pieces, overlap them slightly and >then fuse them in a kiln. Several small fused pieces in a window can >add much interest and realism as well as value. Stained glass studios >with a kiln will be (or at least should be) glad to fire these pieces >for a small fee. There are kilns available that have firing chambers >as small as three inches that can do the work for pennies. >Bob > >____ >Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working >with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, >Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 14:04:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:03:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: AlexG2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morse Museum (location info) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:02:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov13.12256.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Gee its nice to be able to contribute. I'm learning so much from you guys. I was in Orlando last week and we plan to go back next month. I plan to visit the Morse Museum next month! According to the phone book, the Morse Museum is located at 133 E. Welbourne Ave. Winter Park, FL. phone: 407-645-5311. Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 14:27:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:27:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Morse Museum (location info) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:26:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.122615.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Let's hear from you after your visit for your opinion on the museum! -----Original Message----- From: AlexG2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Morse Museum (location info) >Hello, > >Gee its nice to be able to contribute. I'm learning so much from you guys. > I was in Orlando last week and we plan to go back next month. I plan to >visit the Morse Museum next month! > >According to the phone book, the Morse Museum is located at 133 E. Welbourne >Ave. Winter Park, FL. phone: 407-645-5311. > >Alex Gacic > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 16:09:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:07:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: back on list Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:17:25 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.121725.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BCF060.64ACBCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For some mysterious reason I found myself at the current bungi = archive.... can't explain it.... kinda like a=20 Ouije board thing. Anyway, after reading through some posts with familiar names (and some = interesting posts with new names) it turns out that gosh darn it, I = missed you guys :-) Looking forward to making a positive contribution.=20 Len =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BCF060.64ACBCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For some mysterious reason I found myself at the = current bungi=20 archive.... can't explain it.... kinda like a
Ouije board thing.
 
Anyway, after reading through some = posts with=20 familiar names (and some interesting posts with new names)  it = turns out=20 that  gosh darn it, I  missed you guys   = :-)
 
Looking forward to making a positive = contribution.
 
 
Len
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01BCF060.64ACBCA0-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 17:48:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!JAnder9073 From: JAnder9073@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tips on Spectrum site search, please Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:46:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov13.154646.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-13 10:56:21 EST, you write: << Reply >> I am just learning how to use aol. I did not view any glass things. I clicked on them, but nothing happened. I don't know how I got this message from you or who you are for sure. I would love to get some stained glass patterns and learn more. Janer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 18:20:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:19:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: "Doug Scale" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Froggy inside curves Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:13:21 -0500 Message-ID: <199711140222.VAA16340@sleepy.ebtech.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: mikey friggy > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Froggy inside curves > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 8:44 PM > > . > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada (Tel:416-252-6868) > Canada's first and still only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. > > ---------- > Mike, Awhile back Albert asked about the "official sanctioned" status on your signature. Can't recall seeing an explanation. What gives? I'm sure other Canadians on this list would like to know too. Thanks, Doug Scale Fire Creations in Glass Sarnia, Ontario ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 13 23:30:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:26:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:27:18 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov14.182718.0> References: <<1997Nov13.121725.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all... At the risk of starting a virtual riot here with the whole Vickie Payne thing again <>, I just visited her web site, and was very disappointed. It hasn't been updated since May, and there only TWO projects in her whole "archive"... What's up with that? ~Lori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 03:59:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:57:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:57:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov13.225747.0> References: <<1997Nov14.182718.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk yes we bought some of her videos for resale and are very very unhappy with them..Would not recommend them to any one....Walter Lori wrote: > Hi all... > > At the risk of starting a virtual riot here with the whole Vickie > Payne thing again <>, I just visited her web site, and was > very disappointed. It hasn't been updated since May, and there only TWO > projects in her whole "archive"... > > What's up with that? > > ~Lori > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 10:43:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:39:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MsChatee From: MsChatee@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Temperature of Shop Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:39:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov14.83929.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Right now I have my glass workshop set up in my basement. Well I live in Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there is 53 degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the pieces I'll be cutting today, do I need to do this on a regular basis and what is the lowest temperature that won't affect the glass. Also will the cold temperatures affect anything else like the Flux, polish, etc. I don't have any other place to set up and I prefer not to use a space heater since I'm working not too far from the gas furnace. Thanks for your input, any feedback will be appreciated. Caren ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 11:08:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:06:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: back on list Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov14.9542.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Welcome back, Len! Wondered if you'd dropped off the planet. We could have used your considered opinion in some recent lively discussions! Also, the Chartres talk is starting up again. Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 11:19:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:18:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tips on Spectrum site/reply Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:19:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971114141955.006f2548@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1.5.4.32.19971113183649.0067a444@primary.matnet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks!!! That's helpful ... I'll go try that now ... and it's geckos I'm looking for, actually ... thanks to all those who have replied privately. What a wonderful group this is! Thanks, Glenna, for providing it! Cheers, M.-J. At 10:36 AM 11/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Hi M.- J. > >There are a total of 98 patterns on the Spectrum site. Use the slider in the left frame of the site, there will be numbers 1 thru 11 below the word 'PATTERNS', click on these numbers to bring up one page at a time. Each page shows 9 pattern pictures. To download the patterns you will need to download Adobe Acrobat first (if you don't aleady have it). I glanced thru the pages (which I have printed out for quick ref) and found five frog patterns. > >Good Luck > >Rojean >Alaska ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 11:44:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:42:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: lrkimball.com!cimerz From: "Workstation483" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:43:10 -0500 Message-ID: <199711141941.OAA24088@lrklinux.lrkimball.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, your friendly retailer here. As to the temperature of glass, glass cuts pretty well at most temperatures. I suggest room temp. just because it is what I am used to, but I have had success even in the cold (down to about 40 degrees). I wouldn't advise trying to foil until glass is room temp. Flux will definitely react to cold and to humidity. Humidity gives you really terrible results - also, remember that flux has a shelf life. I suggest investing some time and a little money and buy several different types of flux and try them. My favorites are still Old Masters and Canfield Blue (for acid based) and I like Fry's gel flux (Classicgel or whatever the name is). Ruby fluid is okay. I don't recommend any other normal brands. There is one other brand that the name escapes me - it is really expensive comparitively, but is supposed to be the best on the market. After some more trial runs, will try to let you know about it. Polish is also something that should be done at room temp., better if it is not too humid. I prefer to let it dry overnight, anyway, so it works okay in most weather conditions. ---------- > From: MsChatee@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Temperature of Shop > Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 1:39 PM > > Right now I have my glass workshop set up in my basement. Well I live in > Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there is 53 > degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the pieces > I'll be cutting today, do I need to do this on a regular basis and what is > the lowest temperature that won't affect the glass. Also will the cold > temperatures affect anything else like the Flux, polish, etc. I don't have > any other place to set up and I prefer not to use a space heater since I'm > working not too far from the gas furnace. Thanks for your input, any > feedback will be appreciated. > > Caren > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 14:40:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:39:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:37:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov14.123710.0> References: <<1997Nov14.83929.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MsChatee@aol.com wrote: > > Right now I have my glass workshop set up in my basement. Well I live in > Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there is 53 > degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the pieces > I'll be cutting today, do I need to do this on a regular basis and what is > the lowest temperature that won't affect the glass. Also will the cold > temperatures affect anything else like the Flux, polish, etc. I don't have > any other place to set up and I prefer not to use a space heater since I'm > working not too far from the gas furnace. Thanks for your input, any > feedback will be appreciated. > > Caren > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the cold really should affect the glass to badly. even though glass tends to cut better when warm. the main problem (besides shivering), would be the foiling sticking to the glass. and the off chancce of the glass going into thermal shock when soldering. but i can only see that happening if the glass just came out of the snow. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 16:13:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:11:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Frozen Flux Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:09:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov14.890.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I purchased some liquid flux by mail order last winter and when it arrived it was froze solid. Thawed it out and it worked fine. Plus my glass room is out in the barn and is unheated unless I go out and turn the heat on and so far haven't had a problem with any of the other liquid products either. Since I am in Washington State on the east side of the mountains it gets down to about twenty below here at times so I am sure the other things have froze and refroze numberous times too. So far it is all still working. Bonnie Clark ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 17:59:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:58:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bradley base lamps Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:57:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971114205740.0069f7e8@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk got a customer who wants a bradley base. can anyone tell me specifics on the bases? ie: height of base, avg sq ft of glass needed, how long man hours to complete? any tricks or tips would be helpful thanks! Hee Sun Stained Glass Robert & Jeanne Keane (410) 833-3007 jkeane@erols.com Jeanne L. Keane O, Wind, If Winter comes, can spring be far behind? Percy Bysshe Shelley A good farmer is nothing more nor less than a handy man with a good sense of humus. E.B. White A woman is like a teabag--only in hot water do you realize how strong she is. Nancy Reagan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 20:16:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:14:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:13:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov14.181353.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Really sounded to good to be true. I tried http://www.mmm.com. Not a avialbe url at this time. Sorry, would have loved to get some FREE samples as I am sure most everyone else would. Thanks for the info tho. Bubstah@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 14 21:11:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:10:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: 3M site Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:09:23, -0500 Message-ID: <199711150509.AAA19926@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Try http//www.3m.com to get to the start of the 3M site. AT: http://www.mmm.com/market/consumer/photogard/saleserv.html you will find a form to request product info. Does not say anything about samples but this must be it. Also you can go th the 3M POST-IT site from the first address and request product info. I use and like 3M products but do not need any free samples at this time. Did you know that in WIN95 you can go to the edit menu & copy the address off a screen & then paste it into your request for access? Makes going to long addresses a snap. You can try it with the second address above. On most days I learn something, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 04:19:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:17:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:17:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov15.21743.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I gather that Vicki Payne is arather busy woman these days Lori.I also noticed Suzanne Cooper's website hasn't been updated since...July! So I have to guess that they are both very busy doing what they do best! Judy (imn2glass2) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 07:30:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:29:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: pattern paper Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov15.52757.0> References: <<1997Nov14.181353.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bubstah@aol.com wrote: > > Really sounded to good to be true. I tried http://www.mmm.com. Not a > avialbe url at this time. Sorry, would have loved to get some FREE samples > as I am sure most everyone else would. > > Thanks for the info tho. > > Bubstah@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that's odd, worked today, also try http://www.3m.com it does'nt say free samples, i don't think. but there is a survey there, that has a address entry, maybe that will bring you in. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 08:38:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:37:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:37:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov15.63734.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lori, you can't give just here a hard time about updateing, MANY glsss sites don't get updated often I get tired of going back sometimes. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 11:34:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:33:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: looking for info Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:27:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov15.92713.0> References: <<1997Nov5.14491.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Carolyn's Creations Precedence: bulk Could the "corduroy" glass be the Uroboros "fibroid"? That kind of reminds me of corduroy. It comes in an evergreen shade and another shade of green....can't remember right off hand. C Noel ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 11:50:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:49:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:43:22 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov15.94322.0> References: <<199711111534.KAA00714@ee.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Carolyn's Creations Precedence: bulk I'm in a gallery in Dayton, OH, and the commission is 60/40. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 14:31:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: AlexG2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: An interesting glass ad Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov15.12299.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I recently ran across an ad in the UU World magazine which read: 1872 Universalist Stained Glass windows, Church demolished, national register, Norwalk, Ohio, Twelve windows, rose, double trinity, top condition, excellent exterior, interior artifacts, photographs available. Reasonable price, need loving home. Call 419-474-7084. I just thought I would pass this along to anyone interested who may be in that area. Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 16:05:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained Glass Web Sites Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199711160002.AAA00166@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Keli, I don't think anyone so far has commented on your painstaking efforts of extrapolating our websites and putting them all down on ONE list. You have got MINE quite right for a start! Well done! And... Thank you! On reading comments that so-and-so's web-site hasn't been updated since May or June, I blush, because I don't think that my own has been ''properly'' updated since last year. The day has ONLY got sooo many hours. Right now I am virtually on my hands and knees; beehave been teaching ALL week, EVERY day, got home at about 11 pm, thrown some food at Toby and ''snacked'' myself. Thursday night a small business in the village wanted me to do some computer work for them. THAT kept me up until 5 in the morning. Up again at 8, then teaching in the evening on Friday, got home at 10 pm, spent 2 hours packing the car for a workshop on Saturday and crashed to bed; up at 6.30 to finish the packing, , arrived at the college at 8.30 to set up a full 1-day workshop. Finished at 5 pm, cleaned up and arrived home at 6 pm, not having sat down all day for even 5 minutes. I didn't even have time to change into another pair of shoes that I brought with me specially for the purpose. It's now 11 pm over here, my feet are killing me, I and Toby have only just finished eating and I fully intend to have a LATE Sunday mornining, collect the Sunday Times from the village shop and just "blob"....... Time to clean up my photos with my new ''baby'' cd-rom system to put more pixs on my web-site....... Somehow, on a wet, misty, foggy AND wet Sunday morning, I feel my big swivel/rocking chair by the fire, putting my poor feet up (high) with a glass of wine and the Sunday Times totally irresistable..... Sorry guys... I am terribly weak-minded and have NO back-bone!!!! Fire and Sunday Times will win hands over..... Sigh..... On Monday.... the whole circus starts all over again.... Double sigh.... By the way, a snippet of interesting statistics from ''Ye Olde Country'' As of this month, according to a BBC research survey, only 26 per cent of the population in UK have computer at home..... That's about 25 per cent more than 18 months ago.... (my reckoning...) Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 16:06:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:03:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: ''Sanctioned'' Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199711160002.AAA00170@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well actually.... (blush) So would a curious Swede stuck in the middle of rural UK...??? Gee whizz, , I wish I could say that for myself in UK..... Would LOVe to know.... > Fantasy In Glass, 703 The Queensway, Toronto, Canada (Tel:416-252-6868) > Canada's first and still only officially sanctioned stained glass supplier. > > ---------- > Mike, Awhile back Albert asked about the "official sanctioned" status on your signature. Can't recall seeing an explanation. What gives? I'm sure other Canadians on this list would like to know too. Thanks, Doug Scale Fire Creations in Glass Sarnia, Ontario .... and Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 16:08:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:07:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: back on list Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199711160002.AAA00163@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Oh Len, (flutter...flutter...) Missed you dreadfully! Glad you are back. I am busy ''raising old ghosts'' again Had an interesting cost comparison about stained glass trips . Sart saving, want to get you over here... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK some mysterious reason I found myself at the current bungi =archive.... can't explain it.... kinda like a=20 Ouije board thing. Anyway, after reading through some posts with familiar names (and some = interesting posts with new names) it turns out that gosh darn it, I = missed you guys :-) Looking forward to making a positive contribution.=20 Len =20 ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 16:09:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:07:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Swedish Glass Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:01:07 +0000 Message-ID: <199711160002.AAA00160@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Albert - but not ONLY..... (yep Dani, ... as you said to Len... this whole Chartres business is waking up again!!) After the interesting cost comparison on stained glass trips to UK ( and Europe), I think we can safely assume that a feasible, realistic costing for the REAL stained glass afficionados doesn't necessarily equate to having to sell your grandmother!! I asked for an input from YOU guys; WHERE ARE THEY???? When I first came to UK, I was young and innocent and terribly unsophisticated; i.e. if someone said something - I believed it... So I got exposed to what I later called '' come-round for tea-sometime-syndrome'' What does this mean? It means, that I so often met people who would smile sweetly at me and literally say THAT; ''Oh, but you MUST come round for tea''. When I took them at their word, groped in my handbag for my diary and innocently produced an array of alternative dates for what I understood to be a sincere invitation, , people backed off and I got variations of "don't call us - we'll call you'' ..... That would never happen in Sweden... or.... or..... or That was many, many years ago, but I have never forgotten the lesson. How does that relate to stained glass? Wwwwellllll.... To put it bluntly; if you want to join the train then make a positive move to stop it to get on it! first: I need inp[ut from you guys where you want to go and why. In order of popularity, these are the sites I will pick in descending order. These are not ''day-dream'' trips, they will be very much designed from all angles to be affordable and fun. You won't pay for luxury hotels, nor will you ever be dumped in a Youth Hostel (Albert!). But you WILL be absorbed in a Home environment and experience down-to-earth English way of life. (.... and Tuesday is YOU turn to do the washing-up!) I think there is a tremendeous potential for this kind of exchange. It isn't just a theory, we have DONE it and I would like to get the already rolling ball rolling on............ I will continue with these trips from UK regardless of you folks, but not to include you, not to try to involve you, not for YOU to get involved and join in, would be a tragic punitive loss and depravation for both you ''Across The Pond'' as well as for me/us. That's all! Favorite places list, please!!! Financial problems, considerations planning, budgetting or other problems.... OFF-GROUP in private e-mails to me - that too will help me plan you IN.... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Nov 15 21:58:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:56:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Classydad From: Classydad@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: remove Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:56:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov15.19560.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Remove ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 03:11:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:09:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov16.1931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm in total agreement on this issue. If someone is going to have a web page then be responsible for doing updates. Since 3 out of 4 shops in my area mail out monthly newsletters then it appears reasonable that web pages get updated on a monthly basis. LElsbury@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 03:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:48:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: <199711160613.AAA03191@eve.corp.ccti.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anybody have the url for the Vickie Payne web site? Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 07:09:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:07:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: shell.mpsi.net!terry-l From: Terry To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:12:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971116091221.006a6940@mail.mpsi.net> References: <<1997Nov16.1931.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I'm in total agreement on this issue. If someone is going to have a web= page >then be responsible for doing updates. Since 3 out of 4 shops in my area >mail out monthly newsletters then it appears reasonable that web pages get >updated on a monthly basis. LElsbury@aol.com I know it would be nice if people would regularly update their web pages -= but you have to remember that for most people it is just something that= starts out as a fun prodject - and then usually they get busy with= something else, and forget about their page. Besides they are not making= money or getting paid for having a web page - so just have to remember the= net was designed to be free - so you can't always get what you would like= for free. 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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:52:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov16.5527.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your points are well taken. I certainly know how people can get busy. I work full time and have a custom work studio that I work in evenings and weekends (which I had the luxury of doing only glass) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 08:05:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:03:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov16.6339.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I opologize for the error is sending the last note incomplete (finder slipped and sent it before it was complete). As I was saying........All of this started out as a fun thing to do for me also. I now have a custom shop "on the side". It continues to grow and I have limited time, if any, to play on the computer. As I said it the mis-sent note - your points are well taken. Maybe monthly is not reasonable for the companies with web pages but they are commercial companies. I certainly am not singling out Vicki Payne, or any other company. I just would like to see more current information. I would like to see the "professionals" give their opinion on new products, Tauraus for example. There are always new products, glass, etc.... to discuss. My appreciation goes out to Bungi for their page. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 08:09:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:07:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:07:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov16.6726.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: From: LElsbury@aol.com Reply-to: glass@bungi.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: 97-11-16 11:05:56 EST I opologize for the error is sending the last note incomplete (finder slipped and sent it before it was complete). As I was saying........All of this started out as a fun thing to do for me also. I now have a custom shop "on the side". It continues to grow and I have limited time, if any, to play on the computer. As I said it the mis-sent note - your points are well taken. Maybe monthly is not reasonable for the companies with web pages but they are commercial companies. I certainly am not singling out Vicki Payne, or any other company. I just would like to see more current information. I would like to see the "professionals" give their opinion on new products, Tauraus for example. There are always new products, glass, etc.... to discuss. My appreciation goes out to Bungi for their page. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 08:17:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:15:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe - til the new modem gets in Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:18:01 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov16.4181.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk wish me luck (never put in a new modem before)....I'll let you know when i'm back on-line. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 08:21:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:20:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe - til the new modem gets in Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:19:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov16.61950.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk GOODLUCK1 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 09:50:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:49:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: subscribe!!! Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:20:02 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov16.5202.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk back up and running!!! didn't take too long after all! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 12:09:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:08:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: bradley base lamps Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:00:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov16.10048.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk While I have never made a Bradley Base, I have a friend who has. The maj= or complaint he had was that the patterns sometimes don't fit the base form.= = So be REAL careful to double check that the pattern selected does fit the= form prior to cutting the pattern. In his case the pattern was too small= for the form and he ended up having to re-size several pieces. The problems he ran into could have been avoided by double checking the patte= rn fit on the form, first. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 12:49:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:49:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: An interesting glass ad Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov16.10054.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Oh man, Alec, that sure is tempting! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 17:14:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:13:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF395.53A30300" Subject: RE: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:05:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov17.15535.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF395.53A30300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's www.foryourhome.com ---------- From: Don McDonald[SMTP:don@ccti.net] Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 12:49 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Does anybody have the url for the Vickie Payne web site? Don M. 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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:37:17 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov17.133717.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone. I made a beautiful round panel that's a little on the big size. I initially planned to frame it in wood 'til I found out it was gonna cost 75 big ones to do it. I guess it's about 2 feet across. I ended up buying brass "banding" with a pretty scalloped edge to frame it with, but I'm kinda worried about sturdiness. It's very flimsy, as the brass is thin, and is this going to be strong enough when I go to hang it? Also, I was told to just attach it to the panel by soldering the joint. How is this going to keep it securely attached all the way around the panel? I'd prefer to have it completely attached to the glass all he way around, and I was thinking about using some type of silicone that dries clear or something. Any one have any ideas? Thanks, I'd appreciate any help! ~Lori ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Nov 16 19:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:56:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mmaildirect.com!webtech From: webtech@mmaildirect.com To: webtech@mmaildirect.com Subject: SAVE A FORTUNE! EARN A FORTUNE! 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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 23:02:02 -0400 Message-ID: <199711170359.WAA23385@uz.ComCAT.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, Just went to your web site to check out your Alien Story. What an imagination you have! And I loved the pictures too, all full of subliminal and not-so-subliminal stained glass along with the aliens. Thanks for the treat! Suzanne Albright suzydotcom "A thing of beauty is a joy forever." ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 04:17:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:16:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fast.net!charles From: charles - Warner-Crivellaro To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Banding... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:17:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov17.2175.0> References: <<1997Nov17.133717.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I made a beautiful round panel that's a little on the big size. I > initially planned to frame it in wood 'til I found out it was gonna > cost 75 big ones to do it. I guess it's about 2 feet across. > > I ended up buying brass "banding" with a pretty scalloped edge to > frame > it with, but I'm kinda worried about sturdiness. It's very flimsy, as > the brass is thin, and is this going to be strong enough when I go to > hang it? Also, I was told to just attach it to the panel by soldering > the joint. How is this going to keep it securely attached all the way > around the panel? I'd prefer to have it completely attached to the > glass all he way around, and I was thinking about using some type of > silicone that dries clear or something. Any one have any ideas? > Thanks, I'd appreciate any help! Lori: Lots of simple things can be done. If you like the scalloped edge use a large size of ball chain such as 3/8" (ball) this sells for about $1.69 per foot. A less expensive alternative is twisting any size lead came in a drill (slooowly), then wrapping the panel with it and soldering them together. Variations can be made by using different sizes and types of came. If your panel is wrapped in "H" came you could put jack chain (or large size wire) into that and crimp the channel shut except at the top where the hook would be located. If the edge of the panel is thin enough it could be wrapped in "ladder chain", this is about $1.29 per foot. Ladder chain is commonly used as a frame around etched bevels. The ball chain and the twisted came ideas must be soldered all the way around the panel. These will give the greatest rigidity. Almost anything that can be soldered will work to give both an interesting frame and a structure that will support your panel. I always wanted to use copper tubing for free formed panels but never had the time. BTW a round oak frame for a 24" panel sells for $65.95 Charles Warner http://www.warner-criv.com/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 05:38:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:38:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 08:36:52 -0500 Message-ID: <9711170836.AA17624@LL.MIT.EDU> References: <<1997Nov14.83929.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there is 53 > degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the pieces It may be colder than optimal, but certainly doable. My shop can get to the low 50's too. I have no undue problems with glass cutting or other aspects. -- David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 07:26:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:22:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Vickie Paynes web site... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:22:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov17.52249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Vickie's company is Cutters Productions--I don't have the URL but hope this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 09:00:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:58:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Web Sites Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:58:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov17.65821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Could you pls. repost this single listing of SG web sites? Thanks Also, I will be going to Florence, Italy shortly - does anyone know of any stained glass supply stores in that country? Thanks again. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 10:34:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:32:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Here are URLs for Vicki Payne's Web Site Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971117133350.00711e20@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1997Nov17.65821.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Someone wanted the URLs for Vicki Payne's Web Site: http://foryourhome.com/Additions/news.htm http://www.foryourhome.com/vikswindow.htm She also chats live on Wed. at 2pm: http://www.foryourhome.com/coffee/topchat1.htm ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 13:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Web Sites Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:37:16 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov17.213716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 11:58 17/11/97 -0500, Margaret41 wrote (in part): >Also, I will be going to Florence, Italy shortly - does anyone know of any >stained glass supply stores in that country? Well, I don't know of any stained glass supplies shops in Italy, but I did find a nice web site at http://www.tintorettoglass.it of a company in Venice who make glass rods and millefiori for kiln work. We are about to order some for a bit of fun, but I'd love to go round the factory and see it made. Maybe next year. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 13:43:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Morton Safety Break System Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:37:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov17.11379.0> References: <<1997Nov17.133717.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried the Morton Safety Bread System? I'd like any opinions on it. Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 13:43:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:43:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tillamook.k12.or.us!SteveM From: Steve Matthies To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: looking for info -Reply Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:41:19 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>> Carolyn Noel 11/15/97 11:27am >>> Could the "corduroy" glass be the Uroboros "fibroid"? That kind of reminds me of corduroy. It comes in an evergreen shade and another shade of green....can't remember right off hand. C Noel ---- No, the fibroid was one of the first I looked into. I went over to the Uroboros factory last week and showed them a sample piece taken out of the lamp. The lady that helped initially immediately identified it as theirs, but it was discontinued long ago. She felt she could find a close match, and it was found in their herringbone granite ripple. Needless to say, I'm elated ! I was impressed by their setup, and helpfulness. The icing on the cake was being given some gloves, and free range access to all those beautiful bins of glass. Although they do not sell direct there, arrangements are made to purchase through a local glass company and leave with your purchase(s).( Ironically, the company I paid for the glass was the first place I started my search at this last summer !) If anyone gets a chance to visit their studios , I recommend it highly. Steve Matthies North Coast Glassworks stevem@Tillamook.k12.or.us ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 13:54:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF442.A0600F00" Subject: RE: Banding... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.115347.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF442.A0600F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow!!! Thanks.....great ideas!! Maybe I'll try one of them. Still = tho'....no one touched on my question about using silicone to "tack" the = banding all away around the panel. is this possible? Thanx again! = ~Lori ---------- From: charles - Warner-Crivellaro[SMTP:charles@fast.net] Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 7:17 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Banding... > I made a beautiful round panel that's a little on the big size. I > initially planned to frame it in wood 'til I found out it was gonna > cost 75 big ones to do it. I guess it's about 2 feet across. >=20 > I ended up buying brass "banding" with a pretty scalloped edge to > frame > it with, but I'm kinda worried about sturdiness. It's very flimsy, as > the brass is thin, and is this going to be strong enough when I go to > hang it? Also, I was told to just attach it to the panel by soldering > the joint. How is this going to keep it securely attached all the way > around the panel? I'd prefer to have it completely attached to the > glass all he way around, and I was thinking about using some type of > silicone that dries clear or something. Any one have any ideas? > Thanks, I'd appreciate any help! Lori: Lots of simple things can be done. If you like the scalloped edge use=20 a large size of ball chain such as 3/8" (ball) this sells for about=20 $1.69 per foot. A less expensive alternative is twisting any size lead=20 came in a drill (slooowly), then wrapping the panel with it and=20 soldering them together. Variations can be made by using different sizes=20 and types of came. If your panel is wrapped in "H" came you could put=20 jack chain (or large size wire) into that and crimp the channel shut=20 except at the top where the hook would be located. If the edge of the=20 panel is thin enough it could be wrapped in "ladder chain", this is=20 about $1.29 per foot. Ladder chain is commonly used as a frame around etched bevels. The ball chain and the twisted came ideas must be soldered all the way=20 around the panel. These will give the greatest rigidity. Almost anything that can be soldered will work to give both an=20 interesting frame and a structure that will support your panel. I=20 always wanted to use copper tubing for free formed panels but never=20 had the time. 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In reply to Jerri's question about the Morton Safety Break System -- I use it & love it. It really helped me learn how to handle the glass safely when I was a newbie & helps you to get good clean breaks. I would recommend it. The grid is wonderful to catch all of those little nasty slivers safely until you can dispose of them. Di Baker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 14:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:27:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, Walter) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:26:56 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov17.92656.0> References: <<1997Nov17.11379.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Glass Safari Precedence: bulk The Morton system is the very best.. also get the Video...a great help. The Glass Safari 1-800-458-6292 Jerri M Roey wrote: > Has anyone tried the Morton Safety Bread System? I'd like any opinions > on it. > > Thanks, > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 15:26:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:18:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Morse Museum Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:16:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971117221615.00674960@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Morse Museum is located at 133 E. Welbourne Ave. Winter Park, FL. phone: 407-645-5311. http://www.goflorida.com/central/orlando/see/museum/morse.html The Morse Museum is in Winter Park which is just NE of Orlando, about a 15 minute drive from downtown Orlando or 30 minutes from Sea World, a bit longer from the Disney Hotels. It is located off of Interstate-4, exit at Fairview Ave East to Park Ave, left or north on Park about 1 mile. If you're in a hurry, you can go through it in 2 hours. Depending on your interest, it could take longer. The docents are very knowledgeable and be sure to ask for one to fully learn about the pieces on display. They do not have their own web page yet but an article written by a local arts reviewer on the Museum can be seen at http://www.goflorida.com/central/orlando/see/museum/morse.html Hope you enjoy it. I go back often and always find more that fascinates me. At 06:05 PM 11/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >Jerri M Roey wrote: >> >> I got to stop at the Morse Museum when we were in Fla. for a few >> days last month. It was wonderful. A couple of pieces even had his >> original drawings, then a model, then the real piece. It either makes >> me want to try harder or give it up. Very humbling. If my daughter >> hadn't been there, I could have spent hours. The volunteers were very >> knowledgeable and eager to share what they knew. Definitely worth the $3 >> admission. If you are in the area, don't miss it. >> >> Jerri >> >> On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:06:01 -0500 "Herb Adler" >> writes: >I have mentioned this b4 but in light of Mikey's review, it's worth a >repeat. The Morse Museum in Winter Park (Orlando, FL) has one of the >finest Tiffany Collections anywhere. They are in the process of expanding the museum so that they can display even more of their 4-6000 pieces and specifically a chapel. I can't remember the details but if you're in>the >Orlando area, try to budget at least 1/2 day to visit this outstanding >museum. As far as I know, they do not have a web page yet. > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 15:30:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:29:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ucdavis.edu!krmcdonald From: "McDonald, Kathe R." To: glass Subject: For Italy trip Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 15:22:00 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov17.23220.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For the person visitingItaly, be sure to go to Vence. From Venice, you can catch a little boat that takes you to Murano, where they do glasswork. Years ago when I visited, it was one of the highlights of Italy, and worth the trek to Venice if you have an extra day or two. Sorry, I don't have any leads on supplies. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 15:41:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:38:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: GlassHints/Frames-11/17 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:35:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971117223548.0067c540@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use Northern Hardwoods stained glass framing stock in the 6' lengths, or their pre-cut and metered stock. Very nice. But occasionally I reuse an old oak picture frame. I add a piece of molding from a home improvement center to finish off the back. It looks very nice. Just remember to remove all UPC code labels from the molding prior to installation. I made the mistake of leaving one on once, and it ended up showing through a yellow cathedral piece. Bummer. Christie A. Wood >Message text written by Jerri: >> I know people were just talking about wood frames, and I've never> >used them. I was wondering which products people liked best. I've been >looking at the "Oak Framing Stock" that Delphi sells that comes in 6' >lengths. They also have some pre-cut oak, which looks like it would be >good too. W/C has some called "Pop-Lock" which look relatively simple, >but I'm not sure I'd like them because the corners aren't mitred. I >would love anyone's opinions on these products or any other wood frame >products. > > Also, what about the side mount chain hooks to eliminate " top >stress"? Is it better for larger panels to be hung from the side rather >than the top? What about small panels? Does it matter? >Thanks, Jerri< > >Personally, I like to use the Northern Hardwoods oak framing stock. This> >is probably the manufacturer that Delphi sells, as they come in both 6' >lengths which you cut yourself, or in various lengths already cut, mitere>d >and drilled out for the screws. In fact, I just ordered quite a few of >them on Saturday for some up-coming projects. > >I have never used the Pop-Lock system. Anyone out there have any >opinions? > >The side mount hooks are installed on the two sides of the frame. By >installing them on the sides rather than on the top of the frame, you >spread the stress of weight bearing down the entire length of the side, >rather than at just two points at the top. Whenever possible, use the >side-mounted hooks whether it's for a large or small framed panel. > >Christie A. Wood >Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 16:12:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.com!YWAH36A From: YWAH36A@prodigy.com ( BOB DUCHESNEAU) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Banding... Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:10:39, -0500 Message-ID: <199711180010.TAA18534@mime4.prodigy.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lori writes: Wow!!! Thanks.....great ideas!! Maybe I'll try one of them. Still tho'....no one touched on my question about using silicone to "tack" the banding all away around the panel. is this possible? Thanx again! ~Lori Bob writes, I wonder about the strength of the banding you have and do not like the idea of using silicon for ataching it to a two foot diameter circle. My way would be to use a piece of 1/2" brass U-CAP. You need the Cascade came bender to bend the brass into a circle. Many studios have this handy machine and should be happy to spin up a circle for you. I charge two dollars and think I am making out, Bob ____ Bob Duchesneau (You've got to be smarter than the gear you're working with.) Mountain Meadow Stained Glass, 26746 Mountain Meadow Road, Escondido, CA 92026 Voice (760) 749-3966 FAX (760) 749-6427 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 17:12:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:12:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wiredweb.com!croch From: "Carol J. Rochnowski" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Light Table Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:14:14 -0800 Message-ID: <17113973809151@WIREDWEB.COM> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of "building it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"x16" plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all advice warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in ... namaste' carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Nov 17 19:18:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:16:34 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Venice , Italy Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:15:28 +0000 Message-ID: <199711180316.DAA16666@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My Dear Bunginians, Over here, it's Tuesday morning at about 2 am; I survived 8 hours without a break on my feet last Saturday running a copper-foil workshop (Peggy! I wished you could have been there!!) I even managed to hold my temper with a very officious and rude care-taker at the College - but only just. Yesterday I just blobbed and didn't check my e-mail -, even once. Today I have teaching again. A couple of threads caught my attention...... Venice in Italy Tell me, is that a venue you out there would like me to include in my deliberations for a glass trip/ stained glass trip???? I noted the comment by EliZabeth in Bournemouth (UK). Venetian glass, is - of course - historically world-famous. Venice itself is a fairy-tale (even though it has suffered from appalling pollution in the past). It would be an ambitious project, but not impossible. It would probably take 12-18 months to research and put together. From my own point of view, Venice has often been a stop-over for me in my past life on business, but I have never had a REAL chance to explore it. Never mind exploring the delights of Venetian glass. It occurs to me that if this is something that might turn you on, then I will try and organize it with my exceedingly enterprising College that realized the Chartres trip. But how about ALL of us doing a bit of research in the meantime, so that we can get a programme together of what people really want to see when there..... The ethos and finance of the project still very much in line with what I have done before. ALL of you should know my philosophy by now. But for a project like this to succeed, it is going to mean patience, a bit of work and some tenacity &''staying-power''. Another point; since I sent my last posting about organizing future trips in Europe, I have had a number of private e-mails from you "Across The Pond" registering positive interest, but worries about TIMINGS. I will repeat into the Group what I have already replied privately to those people; there is NO rigid once only time for these future plans. They can be anytime in the year. But what I do use as a criteria is the school-holidays in Great Britain, e.g. from mid-May to end-August, approx. 2/3rd week in October (Autumn half-term), the week AFTER Easter and/or the Spring half-term . I do no not plan any trips for Christmas time. First; I am ''On Parade'' for my English Family to provide a full-blown Swedish Christmas. I have done so for the last 20 years or so, and don't expect I can escape it now; Secondly; December is too darned cold/wet to enjoy such a trip in Europe. And thirdly; Everything that lives and crawls tries to get away at Christmas, so it will be expensive. (Finance and affordability being a very important consideration - as I have bored you with by now....) Keep it coming....... Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK At 11:58 17/11/97 -0500, Margaret41 wrote (in part): >Also, I will be going to Florence, Italy shortly - does anyone know of any >stained glass supply stores in that country? ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 01:06:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:04:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: seaside.net!gspicer From: "Glenn Spicer" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:59:00 -0800 Message-ID: <19971118005839.3166d622.in@seaside.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If the size and price are right for you then go for it but first check to see if the plexiglass is thick enough not to bend under pressure, I prefer to use 1/4" plate glass for the work surface, as it gives a good support and at that size is very strong ( to diffuse the light a thin plexiglass is good or I find even better is that thin white foam paper used for packing as it diffuses the light and has just the right amount of give to deal with the irregularities in the stained glass surface and is easy to clear of glass fragments) Glenn Spicer The Studio Metamorphoses ---------- > From: Carol J. Rochnowski > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Light Table > Date: November 17, 1997 5:14 PM > > Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of "building > it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"x16" > plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all advice > warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in ... > namaste' carol > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 03:32:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:31:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: making adjustments Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:41:30 -0600 Message-ID: <199711181129.FAA26691@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Thanks to all who wrote welcoming me back to bungi! If you recall I had quit business as a SG commission artist because of a cronic overuse problem in my hand that made it impossible to for me to continue to be productive ....as in produce enough work to make a living. After the dust settled I realized of course that SG is in my blood and always will be. I am doing some work for myself and bartering with other artist friends .........keeps me on my toes creatively. adjustments...... Changed my cutting style from thumb forward pushing to a vertical draw style with most of the cutting pressure coming from my palm pushing against the cutter's ball. Spend more time at the grinder use soft flat came ....much easier to work with then the high alloy round that I preferred in the past. I have compensated for the reduction in strength by tinning all the came. I have used this technique in the past on certain projects where the panels were viewed from close up. I like the look , the only problem is that the solder does not buff up as nicely as lead does and with cemented windows which always leave residue on the came, it's very difficult to use a patina to finish off ....... any suggestions would be appreciated. I can now get in a couple hours a day of glass work which gives me great pleasure. I wax nostalgic for those 14 hour glass cutting marathons though...... I loved being in that zone! Len OBTW..... would the person who posted about Ruth Glass please p-mail me, I knew David Ruth years ago. If you have any scraps I'd like to work something out ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 04:04:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:04:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:05:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.2540.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have the Morton board and I find it hard to cut on the grid. It's nice = that the little slivers are supposed to fall in the grid but making = cutting out small pieces is a bear.=20 I bought the Emerald Rainbow Scoreboard. It has a smoothe surface and to = me is much easier to use. The price is cheaper (under $50) and is sold = by Delphi. Yeah, my slivers have no place to go but I keep a drafting = brush on my work bench and just cleanup every once in a while. Just my 2 cnets. Linda ---------- From: Jerri M Roey[SMTP:jroey@juno.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 4:37 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Morton Safety Break System Has anyone tried the Morton Safety Bread System? I'd like any opinions on it. Thanks, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 04:23:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:22:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Pricing Worksheet Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:24:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.2249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Several folks have asked about pricing your work. I found this pricing = worksheet at Riordan Artistry. You may remember he has the = rec.crafts.glass FAQ at his site. Anyway, is this guide in line with = prices you charge? =20 http://www.riordanartistry.com//htm/pricessg.htm Riordan's home page is: http://www.riordanartistry.com Linda Campbell On the Edge of the Great Dismal Swamp ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 05:38:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:37:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!CUTLER From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Riordan Artistry URL Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:37:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov18.33725.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just tried the address posted (http://www.riordanartistry.com) and was told by Netscape that the address does not have a registerd domain name. On another theme: I am planning a move to Arizona next summer and I am facing the task of packing up my workshop. Any suggestions for making the move efficient/painless as possible? cutler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 05:57:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 05:56:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Riordan Artistry URL Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.35821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was there and cut the address straight from the page. I just tried it again and it worked. Perhaps there is a problem with your browser. Linda ---------- From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU[SMTP:cutler@Wittenberg.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 3:37 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Riordan Artistry URL I just tried the address posted (http://www.riordanartistry.com) and was told by Netscape that the address does not have a registerd domain name. On another theme: I am planning a move to Arizona next summer and I am facing the task of packing up my workshop. Any suggestions for making the move efficient/painless as possible? cutler ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 06:18:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:17:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:56:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.35623.0> References: <<1997Nov18.2540.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Linda, I already have the Morton System. I don't like to cut on it either, but use it for repetitive geometiric pieces. From what I've heard, I wish I had gotten the Scoreboard because I've heard it's easier to use. I have a lot of trouble figuring out angles. I just wondered about that little button-like piece in the saftey break system. I was watching my retailer use it, and I tried it once and was impressed. I thought I was pretty good with the running pliers, but this thing was really breaking some curvy pieces in a snap. Thanks so much for your input. Jerri On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:05:40 -0500 Linda Campbell writes: >I have the Morton board and I find it hard to cut on the grid. It's >nice = >that the little slivers are supposed to fall in the grid but making = >cutting out small pieces is a bear.=20 > >I bought the Emerald Rainbow Scoreboard. It has a smoothe surface and >to = >me is much easier to use. The price is cheaper (under $50) and is sold >= >by Delphi. Yeah, my slivers have no place to go but I keep a drafting >= >brush on my work bench and just cleanup every once in a while. > >Just my 2 cnets. > > >Linda > >---------- >From: Jerri M Roey[SMTP:jroey@juno.com] >Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 4:37 PM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Morton Safety Break System > >Has anyone tried the Morton Safety Bread System? I'd like any >opinions >on it. > >Thanks, > >Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 06:44:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 06:44:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.44437.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hey Jerri, Yes, I am very satisfied with the scoreboard coming from a drafting = background it works jsut like a T-square and triagles. In fact I don't = cut out my pattern pieces, I just fold them and lay them against the = bottom rule, match the angle with the vertical rule and cut away.=20 Others may know about the little button thingie. I haven't used it. I = bought the pliers that I think Mike Savad recommended. They are Glastar = running pliers and instead of the usual jaws, they have a fulcrum point = on the bottom jaw and a soft circular ring on the top jaw. They offer so = much control in breaking curves that I swear you could pop a circle out = of the middle of a piece of glass without shattering it if your were = patient. Linda ---------- From: Jerri M Roey[SMTP:jroey@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 8:56 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System Hi Linda, I already have the Morton System. I don't like to cut on it either, but use it for repetitive geometiric pieces. From what I've heard, I wish I had gotten the Scoreboard because I've heard it's easier to use. I have a lot of trouble figuring out angles. I just wondered about that little button-like piece in the saftey break system. I was watching my retailer use it, and I tried it once and was impressed. I thought I was pretty good with the running pliers, but this thing was really breaking some curvy pieces in a snap. Thanks so much for your input. Jerri On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:05:40 -0500 Linda Campbell writes: >I have the Morton board and I find it hard to cut on the grid. It's=20 >nice =3D >that the little slivers are supposed to fall in the grid but making = =3D >cutting out small pieces is a bear.=3D20 > >I bought the Emerald Rainbow Scoreboard. It has a smoothe surface and=20 >to =3D >me is much easier to use. The price is cheaper (under $50) and is sold=20 >=3D >by Delphi. Yeah, my slivers have no place to go but I keep a drafting=20 >=3D >brush on my work bench and just cleanup every once in a while. > >Just my 2 cnets. > > >Linda > >---------- >From: Jerri M Roey[SMTP:jroey@juno.com] >Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 4:37 PM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Morton Safety Break System > >Has anyone tried the Morton Safety Bread System? I'd like any=20 >opinions >on it. > >Thanks, > >Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 07:03:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:03:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: remc7.k12.mi.us!slamb From: Sally Lamb To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Next_Part_2962692118_186249_MS_Mac_IMN" Subject: Cutting Surface Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Next_Part_2962692118_186249_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of the other cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of newspapers but the little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all know what can happen then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it looked like just another gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would be difficult. Your input would be appreciated. Sally --Next_Part_2962692118_186249_MS_Mac_IMN Content-type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cutting Surface Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of the other cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of newspapers but the little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all know what can happen then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it looked like just another gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would be difficult. Your input would be appreciated.

Sally --Next_Part_2962692118_186249_MS_Mac_IMN-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 07:17:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:15:39 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: making adjustments Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:11:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.15119.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 05:41 18/11/97 -0600, Len wrote (in part): >If you recall I had quit business as a SG commission artist because of a >cronic overuse problem in my hand that made it impossible to for me to >continue to be productive ....as in produce enough work to make a living. >adjustments...... > >Changed my cutting style from thumb forward pushing to a vertical draw style >with most of the cutting pressure coming from my palm pushing against the >cutter's ball. Hi, Len, have you tried the pistol grip type cutter? We've had success with several arthritic students who would otherwise have had to give up glass cutting. They can be used one or two handed and don't need much pressure from you. They are not widely used this side of the pond (though we sell more of these than the "ordinary" supercutter), but I imagine that they are easy to get hold of in the US. Regards Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http:/www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 07:19:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:17:30 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.51539.0> References: <<17113973809151@WIREDWEB.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol J. Rochnowski wrote: > > Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of "building > it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"x16" > plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all advice > warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in ... > namaste' carol > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass you could probably get one cheaper from an art store, or a drafting supply store. if it's not cheaper, it should be bigger. though it may not have that color corect thing. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 07:28:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:26:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:25:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.5257.0> References: <<199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sally Lamb wrote: > > Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of the > other cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of > newspapers but the little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all > know what can happen then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it > looked like just another gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would > be difficult. Your input would be appreciated. > > Sally i prefer the score board myself. i got mine before they had a company. i never liked the morton board, mainly, because your stuck with the size that it is. and you would need a vaccuum or a really wide garbage can to remove the slivers. and as it was said before it is'nt good for small pieces, which i have alot of. i do like the feature of angeling the guides in any posistion. and it looks like it has a more stable circle cutter. but so far (unless i get a free morton system), i still like the score board. though morton has other tools that i use all the time, like those little aluminum strips, for borders...you know those corner shaped things. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 07:38:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:38:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making adjustments Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.53631.0> References: <<1997Nov18.15119.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk studio@stainedglass.co.uk wrote: > > At 05:41 18/11/97 -0600, Len wrote (in part): > > >If you recall I had quit business as a SG commission artist because of a > >cronic overuse problem in my hand that made it impossible to for me to > >continue to be productive ....as in produce enough work to make a living. > > >adjustments...... > > > >Changed my cutting style from thumb forward pushing to a vertical draw style > >with most of the cutting pressure coming from my palm pushing against the > >cutter's ball. > > Hi, Len, have you tried the pistol grip type cutter? We've had success with > several arthritic students who would otherwise have had to give up glass > cutting. They can be used one or two handed and don't need much pressure > from you. They are not widely used this side of the pond (though we sell > more of these than the "ordinary" supercutter), but I imagine that they are > easy to get hold of in the US. > Regards > Elizabeth > Bournemouth Stained Glass > http:/www.stainedglass.co.uk > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there's also that new, though very expensive, cutter. it has a heavy weight at the end of the cutter, and a free flowing arm. never tried it, but it looks pretty easy to use. and it does'nt require too much pressure from you. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 08:11:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:10:28 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 11:00:21 EST Message-ID: <971118.110951.EST.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1997Nov18.35623.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a semi-Morton system. I've got the thing for cutting staight lines and angles, but it is set into a ceiling grid. If I have small pieces to cut, I do them on the table beside the grid. I do like having the grid for the small pieces to fall into...(also sometimes these little glass pieces stick in my grozing pliers-the oil perhaps?-and I scrap them off on the grid. I also have this button breaker thing for difficult inside curves, and it works...but feels awkward in my hands, so I don't particularly like it. i try to take care of that problem in the design stage! This breaker thing has a grid base with a button on it and the top curves over on a piece of metal and has the other button on that. You put your score on the button and squeeze top and bottom together, moving along the score line for every squeeze. You'll hear the score run and the glass will come apart. It is poorly balanced and I never have a feel for how much pressure to put on the squeeze..but it does work. Dorothy k who needs to sweep under her grid tonight, now that i think of it. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 08:11:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:10:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Nov17.133717.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > The grid is wonderful to catch all of those little nasty slivers safely > until you can dispose of them. i found that if you go to home depot, you can get a 2x4' sheet of a similar grid for about $7. it's in the lighting dept and used for overhead florescent(sp?) lights. it can be easily cut with wire snips, and i just lay a piece of it over my wooden cutting board. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 08:30:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:29:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:28:54 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov18.162854.0> References: <<199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of the >other >cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of newspapers >but the >little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all know what can happen >then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it looked like just >another >gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would be difficult. Your input >would >be appreciated. > >Sally > I have the morton system but I don't hardly use it. I have a piece of hard wood about 9"x9" square that I cut my glass on. Before I put another sheet to be cut on it, I dust it off with a flat paint brush. The chips fall in the morton cubicles. I also use this piece of wood to lay the copperfoiled glass on to burnish it. I usually use a flat wall paper roller to do the burnishing. The wood is portable. I can foil and burnish while spending time with my family. Works for me. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 09:13:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:12:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ccti.net!don From: "Don McDonald" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: making adjustments Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:13:45 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >adjustments...... > > > >Changed my cutting style from thumb forward pushing to a vertical draw style > >with most of the cutting pressure coming from my palm pushing against the > >cutter's ball. > I guess I have an odd way of holding the cutter... My cutter is one of those clear body-pencil grip types that you put cutting oil in. I hold it with my right hand like I hold a pencil, guiding it with my right hand. I place my left hand on top of right hand with my thumb wrapping around the end of the cutter. My left hand stabilizes it and provides pressure. My hands don't get fatigued, and my cuts are more accurate. Don M. McDonald Web Design Corporate Communications Technology ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 09:17:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:16:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Handheld foiler Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:57 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971118112057.29ef8472@mail.abelink.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone... I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & speed up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the package leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I am. I tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. Thanks! Di Baker ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 09:22:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:21:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!debbiesgarden From: debbiesgarden@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:51:30 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov18.165130.0> References: <<199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >morton has >other tools that i use all the time, like those little aluminum strips, >for borders...you know those corner shaped things. I use a ceiling tile to lay the cartoon and glass on. I use carpet firring strips cut to size to make the frame to hold the glass in while working on it. The carpet strips already have little tacks in them. Debbie T ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 09:51:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:50:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ictc.com!bankers From: "The Banker's House" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:52:12 -0600 Message-ID: <199711181755.LAA23648@ns.ictc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Di- I love the handheld foiler! I have worn out several, and will never do foil work without one. I recommended them to my local supply shop too, but they can't figure out how to use them either. It is simple really.... foil with backing attached goes in the slot on the far end. Then remove a little of the paper backing, and send it (just the backing) through the next slot...right near the far end. (this removes the backing from the foil automatically as you work....although it does sometimes get hung up, and needs a little persuading) Unbacked foil is now pulled to the working end... the one with the little roller, and I usually crimp it onto itself to make it easier to push under the roller, cut off the crimp and it is ready to go! The foiler is not always perfect at centering the foil on the glass.... but never really far off, and I view the time savings as well worth a little imperfection! Hope this helps... it took me a little while to figure out how to use it, but I think you will really like it once you do. Dale Bentley ---------- > From: Di Baker > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Handheld foiler > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 5:20 AM > > Hi everyone... > > I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & speed > up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the > correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the package > leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I am. I > tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. > > Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Di Baker > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 10:37:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:36:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Handheld foiler/Reply Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:33:53 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971118173353.00680ad8@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Di, You're right, the directions leave a lot to be desired! Try this: Lay the foiler on the table in front of you, roller/slit end on your left,long slotted side up or away from you. Copper of foil away from you, paper towards you. Feed foil in from right end; paper peels off at the first hole, foil continues (sticky side down!) along the slotted lengthwise side (away from you (or on top if you turn it to see it). When foil approaches the left, slotted/roller end, do the folding like the directions tell you (end into a point so it can be fed thru/under the roller). This aids in getting the sticky foil thru the end slot and under the roller. Foil will be sticky side DOWN in the lengthwise slotted side and will slightly wrap around the roller. Paper backing peels off at the opening at the right hand end (as it lays on the table in front of you. Care must be taken to prevent the unused foil from twisting as it unwinds from the roll and enters the foiler (happens easily!). I NEVER take all the foil out of the foiler for fear of forgetting the magic formula for threading it thru. I have found this foiler a great help, and I have all the different sizes. It does take a little practice to get used to though, be patient. Be sure that the foilcovered roller ROLES over the glass as you wrap. Being left-handed should not be a problem with this foiler. Good luck :-) Jean At 11:20 AM 11/18/97, you wrote: >Hi everyone... > >I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & speed >up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the >correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the package >leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I am. I >tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. > >Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. > >Thanks! > >Di Baker > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 10:53:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:52:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Kilgore Trout To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2B69F2C3946526278AECA640" Subject: Not glass but, Internet Access is slow because ...] Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:44:02 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.5442.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cats Cradle Inc Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2B69F2C3946526278AECA640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was sent to me by the TechSupt people at my office. It evidently affects people in the NE US, or anyone trying to pass through a router or server up this way > We are experiencing slow internet response because of a router problem > in PSI NET: > > Location: NorthEastern Region > Problem: Intermittent connectivity to a core router in New York > City > Affects: All traffic routed through the affected region is > subject to > high amounts of packet loss and routing > instability. > This includes many frame-relay customers in New > York City, as well > as all ISDN and analog dialup customers > connected in NYC. > Status: PSINet Network Operations is working in conjunction > with > our Network Engineers to determine the source > of the > problem. > Several routers in the NorthEast region were > upgraded with > new code during last night's maintenance > window. Whether or > not the new code is causing the instability > has not yet been > determined. > Began: 11/18/97 09:45 EST > ETR: Unknown at this time. > Ticket: net-45735 -- 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. --------------2B69F2C3946526278AECA640 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: shyguy@vdot.net Received: (qmail 1484 invoked from smtpd); 18 Nov 1997 18:36:49 -0000 Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (38.8.210.2) by linux2.vdot.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:36:48 -0000 Received: from mail_01.ftintl.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA23166; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 206.5.121.156 by mail_01.ftintl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id TP56MKYA; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:42:39 -0500 Received: by smtp.ftintl.com with Microsoft Mail id <34720AC4@smtp.ftintl.com>; Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:38:12 PST From: "VanValen, Bob" To: "'me@vdot.net '" Subject: FW: Internet Access is slow because ... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 13:27:00 PST Message-ID: <34720AC4@smtp.ftintl.com> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 ---------- From: Geslani, Nestor To: FTI Subject: Internet Access is slow because ... Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 11:20AM We are experiencing slow internet response because of a router problem in PSI NET: Location: NorthEastern Region Problem: Intermittent connectivity to a core router in New York City Affects: All traffic routed through the affected region is subject to high amounts of packet loss and routing instability. This includes many frame-relay customers in New York City, as well as all ISDN and analog dialup customers connected in NYC. Status: PSINet Network Operations is working in conjunction with our Network Engineers to determine the source of the problem. Several routers in the NorthEast region were upgraded with new code during last night's maintenance window. Whether or not the new code is causing the instability has not yet been determined. Began: 11/18/97 09:45 EST ETR: Unknown at this time. Ticket: net-45735 --------------2B69F2C3946526278AECA640-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 11:59:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:58:12 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: shell.mpsi.net!terry-l From: Terry To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:03:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971118140318.006abd94@mail.mpsi.net> References: <<17113973809151@WIREDWEB.COM>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of= "building >> it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"x16" >> plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all advice >> warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in ... >> namaste' carol Just curious as to why the color correction lights would be an advantage?= You just need to be able to see the pattern through the backside of the= glass right? Just woundering as I am new to this. 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Thanks for sending such great instructions! I have the Inland Foiler also & don't really care for it so I thought I would try the hand held. I will attempt to get the foil fed correctly tonight. Purrs, Di At 11:52 AM 11/18/97 -0600, you wrote: >Di- > I love the handheld foiler! I have worn out several, and will never do >foil work without one. I recommended them to my local supply shop too, but >they can't figure out how to use them either. It is simple really.... foil >with backing attached goes in the slot on the far end. Then remove a >little of the paper backing, and send it (just the backing) through the >next slot...right near the far end. (this removes the backing from the foil >automatically as you work....although it does sometimes get hung up, and >needs a little persuading) Unbacked foil is now pulled to the working >end... the one with the little roller, and I usually crimp it onto itself >to make it easier to push under the roller, cut off the crimp and it is >ready to go! > >The foiler is not always perfect at centering the foil on the glass.... but >never really far off, and I view the time savings as well worth a little >imperfection! > >Hope this helps... it took me a little while to figure out how to use it, >but I think you will really like it once you do. > >Dale Bentley > >---------- >> From: Di Baker >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Handheld foiler >> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 5:20 AM >> >> Hi everyone... >> >> I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & speed >> up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the >> correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the package >> leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I am. >I >> tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. >> >> Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Di Baker >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 12:19:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:18:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:17:43 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.101743.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Jerri: =2E..>Morton Safety Bread System...< Pretty funny faux pax. I kinda like it the way you said it! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 12:19:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:18:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Riordan Artistry URL Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:17:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.101731.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:glass@bungi.com >On another theme: I am planning a move to Arizona next summer and I am facing the task of packing up my workshop. Any suggestions for making th= e move efficient/painless as possible?< Oh man, I had to move my workshop 3 times last year. Definitely not pleasant! My best tips are: - Mark all boxes with contents clearly labeled on the outside - Don't try to stuff too many pieces of glass in the same box. It makes the box too heavy to handle safely. - Don't bother wrapping all the little piece of glass up in paper. Just put them in small boxes (not too heavy) & then add newspaper filler to keep the glass from shifting around during transport. - Coffee cans with lids make great storage jars for small pieces of glass or supplies. - Pink insulation board which comes in fan-fold sheets from your local hardware or home improvement store, make very good packing for large glass sheet and finished pieces. - Buy lots of masking tape. Good luck! Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 13:12:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.11748.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BCF43C.1DDEFF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Homosote" board available at Building Supply Stores is firmer than = ceiling tile and can take more abuse. Also takes heat well and can be = used when soldering as a backing board. Usually comes in 4 ft x 8 ft = size. Cut to size as needed. -----Original Message----- From: Sally Lamb To: glass@bungi.com Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 10:12 AM Subject: Cutting Surface =20 =20 Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of = the other cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of = newspapers but the little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all = know what can happen then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it = looked like just another gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would be = difficult. Your input would be appreciated. =20 Sally=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BCF43C.1DDEFF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cutting Surface
"Homosote" board available = at Building=20 Supply Stores is firmer than ceiling tile and can take more abuse. Also = takes=20 heat well and can be used when soldering as a backing board. Usually = comes in 4=20 ft x 8 ft size. Cut to size as needed.
Other than the Morton System and = the=20 Scoreboard, what are some of the other cutting surfaces of = choice. I=20 usually use a few layers of newspapers but the little slivers get = stuck in=20 the newspaper (we all know what can happen then). I've looked at the = Morton=20 System, but it looked like just another gadget to me plus cutting = small=20 pieces would be difficult. Your input would be = appreciated.

Sally=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BCF43C.1DDEFF60-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 13:36:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:35:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:14:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.211434.0> References: <<1997Nov18.51539.0@?>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In message <1997Nov18.51539.0@?>, "M. Savad" writes >Carol J. Rochnowski wrote: >> >> Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of "building >> it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"x16" >> plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all advice >> warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in ... >> namaste' carol >> >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >you could probably get one cheaper from an art store, or a drafting >supply store. if it's not cheaper, it should be bigger. though it may >not have that color corect thing. > >---Mike Savad > Also check out your local photographic supply store. They will probably have light tables (used for checking negatives, etc.). One person I know got a second hand x-ray viewing light source from their local hospital. It is excellent & and I am very envious. Steve -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 14:01:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:59:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:58:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov18.115858.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I flip my morton board over when doing small pieces, as I too find the grid a problem when doing small pieces. What material is the Rainbow board made from? LElsbury@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 14:56:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:55:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk!s.richard From: Steve Richard To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:11:50 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.211150.0> References: <<199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sally, et al. I too think these patented systems are gadgets which have a place for some limited purposes. The surface I normally use is the work bench which is covered with 1/8 inch plywood attached at the edges of the bench, giving some accommodation for "warped" and irregular glass. I also use a bench with a large table cloth on it for cutting down the stock sheets. The best surface is probably a soft rubber sheet placed on the bench, as used by glaziers. This is easy to clean, with brush or mop. It costs less and is versatile. It does not lend itself to repititious cutting of the same shapes, of course. Steve In message <199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>, Sally Lamb writes >Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of the other >cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of newspapers but the >little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all know what can happen >then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it looked like just another >gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would be difficult. Your input would >be appreciated. > >Sally -- Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 15:12:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:12:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Banding... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:12:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov18.13123.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For a panel as large as the one that you described you could, like Charles said use copper tubing, Ihave done this and it works well and you can form it to some pretty wild shapes and as far as strenght you can't beat it . It takes to solder very well also.Just a suggestion, definitely worth a try. Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 15:23:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:22:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Banding... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Nov18.13123.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > For a panel as large as the one that you described you could, like Charles > said use copper tubing, Ihave done this and it works well and you can form it > to some pretty wild shapes and as far as strenght you can't beat it . It > takes to solder very well also.Just a suggestion, definitely worth a try. > Beveler4@aol.com what size tubing do you recommend? 1/4" is pretty easy to bend, but would that hold up and be strong enough over a longish time period? it's not much stronger than 1/4" h lead, and not as resistent to bending as 1/2" h lead. 1/2" or larger is pretty hard to bend to follow irregular pieces without a pipe bender, although i can see using it for straight edges. what do you do at the corners? --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 15:41:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:40:50 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: GlassHints/Frames-11/17 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199711182340.RAA23875@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "Tyler, Roger D." > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: GlassHints/Frames-11/17 > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:35:48 -0800 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > >Message text written by Jerri: > >> I know people were just talking about wood frames, and I've never> > >used them. I was wondering which products people liked best. I've been > >looking at the "Oak Framing Stock" that Delphi sells that comes in 6' > >lengths. They also have some pre-cut oak, which looks like it would be > >good too. W/C has some called "Pop-Lock" which look relatively simple, > >but I'm not sure I'd like them because the corners aren't mitred. I > >would love anyone's opinions on these products or any other wood frame > >products. > > > > Also, what about the side mount chain hooks to eliminate " top > >stress"? Is it better for larger panels to be hung from the side rather > >than the top? What about small panels? Does it matter? > >Thanks, Jerri< I dont use any of the commercial frame stuff... Being a woodworker before getting into glass I make my own frames out of red oak and ash.. I also use some rought western red cedar on occaison if its a southwestern type panel... All it takes is a table saw and router to make some nice frames at a fraction of the cost of commercial stuff... Someone else was posting about having trouble framing a large circular panel... A circular frame can be easily made from good plywood using a bandsaw... You might try trading a local woodworker some glasswork for some frames... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 16:24:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:08:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:25:39 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov19.02539.0> References: <<1997Nov18.51539.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Before you buy try True Color Light Box by Diamond Tec. We use it and = working with art glass for lamps I find it does deserve it's name True = Color, and is less than $100.00. ---------- > > Carol J. Rochnowski wrote: > > > > Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of "bui= lding > > it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"= x16" > > plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all adv= ice > > warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in = ... > > namaste' carol > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > you could probably get one cheaper from an art store, or a drafting > supply store. if it's not cheaper, it should be bigger. though it may > not have that color corect thing. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up = A > Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 16:36:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:34:29 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca!amesken From: Ken Ames To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:33:02 -0600 Message-ID: <347233BD.F21C751E@ob1.kenobe.edu.on.ca> References: <<3.0.1.16.19971118112057.29ef8472@mail.abelink.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Di: I also have used the hand foiler in the same manner as described by Dale Bentley. Instead of crimping the foil I use a plastic twist tie. Sticking the copper glue side to the twist tie you can thread it down the foiler and under the roller. Cut twist tie off and reuse. Just as suggestion. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 16:55:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:54:31 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: GlassHints/Frames-11/17 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:44:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.14449.0> References: <<199711182340.RAA23875@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, my husband does woodworking as a hobby. He'd promised to make me some frames for about 2 years now, so I finally went the other day and bought a 6ft piece of the Northern Hardwoods. I think this was enough to motivate him. (Maybe I should have done it sooner ;) Jerri >I dont use any of the commercial frame stuff... Being a woodworker >before getting into glass I make my own frames out of red oak and >ash.. I also use some rought western red cedar on occaison if its a >southwestern type panel... > >All it takes is a table saw and router to make some nice frames at a >fraction of the cost of commercial stuff... > >Someone else was posting about having trouble framing a large >circular panel... A circular frame can be easily made from good >plywood using a bandsaw... > >You might try trading a local woodworker some glasswork for some >frames... > > >Byron... > >Wells Glassworks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 16:56:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:54:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Banding... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.144859.0> References: <<1997Nov17.133717.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone seen the Poppy pattern that was in SGN an issue or so ago? I really liked it, but wanted to make it much bigger. You wouldn't be able to put a zinc border around it because one corner is not there. Would the twisted lead came work for a border around most of the piece, leaving that one corner open? This is really hard to explain, but if you've seen the picture, you know what I'm talking about. Jerri >Lots of simple things can be done. If you like the scalloped edge use > >a large size of ball chain such as 3/8" (ball) this sells for about >$1.69 per foot. A less expensive alternative is twisting any size >lead >came in a drill (slooowly), then wrapping the panel with it and >soldering them together. Variations can be made by using different >sizes >and types of came. If your panel is wrapped in "H" came you could put > >jack chain (or large size wire) into that and crimp the channel shut >except at the top where the hook would be located. If the edge of the > >panel is thin enough it could be wrapped in "ladder chain", this is >about $1.29 per foot. Ladder chain is commonly used as a frame around >etched bevels. > >The ball chain and the twisted came ideas must be soldered all the way > >around the panel. These will give the greatest rigidity. > >Almost anything that can be soldered will work to give both an >interesting frame and a structure that will support your panel. I >always wanted to use copper tubing for free formed panels but never >had the time. > >BTW a round oak frame for a 24" panel sells for $65.95 > >Charles Warner >http://www.warner-criv.com/ >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 18:18:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:17:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:17:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov18.161729.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glasscat, What gallery are your works shown at in Dayton . I would love to see them sometime as I do not live to far from Dayton and have some close relatives in that area that I visit with often. Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 18:30:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fellow Bungian Get Well! Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:28:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov18.162834.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Anyone wishing to send Carolyn, a fellow bungian, an internet "Get Well", can address it to: glasscat@infinet.com To make a long story short, she tripped over one of her cats while running through her house and caused herself some eye problems. Make sure that you don't tell her that I told you though! Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Nov 18 19:17:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:16:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.171456.0> References: <<3.0.3.32.19971118140318.006abd94@mail.mpsi.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Terry wrote: > > >> Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of= > "building > >> it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for > 24"x16" > >> plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all > advice > >> warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in > ... > >> namaste' carol > > Just curious as to why the color correction lights would be an > advantage?= You just need to be able to see the pattern through the > backside of the= glass right? Just woundering as I am new to this. > Thanks > __ =20 ___ __ .ama , > ,d888a ,d88888888888ba. ,88"I) d > a88']8i a88".8"8) `"8888:88 " _a8' > .d8P' PP .d8P'.8 d) "8:88:baad8P' =A9 > ,d8P' ,ama, .aa, .ama.g ,mmm d8P' 8 .8' 88):888P' > ,d88' d8[ "8..a8"88 ,8I"88[ I88' d88 ]IaI" d8[ > a88' ]P "bm8mP8'(8'.8I 8[ d88' `" .88 =20 Because it's > ,88I ]P[ .I'.8 88' ,8' I[ ,88P ,ama ,ama, d8[ .ama.g=20 > [88' I8, .I' ]8, ,88B ,d8 aI (88',88"8) d8[ "8. 88 ,8I"88[ =20 GOOD > ]88 `8888" '8888" "88P"8m" I88 88[ 8[ ]P "bm8m88[.8I 8[ > ]88, _,,aaaaaa,_ I88 8" 8 ]P[ .I' 88 88' ,8' I[ =20 For you! > `888a,.=20 ,aadd88888888888bma. )88, ,]I I8, .I' )88a8B ,d8 aI > "888888PP"' `8""""""8 "888PP' `8888" `88P"88P"8m" ---- For > subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send > to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at > http://www.bungi.com/glass it's for seeing how the glass will look through a "sunlight like" bulb. i just stick mine up to a incadescent laight, or the window. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 01:10:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:09:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.alaska.net!wildewk From: Wildeworks To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Light Table Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:07:59 -0900 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.15759.0> References: <<1997Nov18.211434.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk An easy light table is get a Morton Portable Glass Shop, then turn the board over, put some light under it and you have a nice light table. Works great for me. Dick wildewk@pobox.alaska.net Wildeworks Glass Design Fairbanks,AK Steve Richard wrote: > In message <1997Nov18.51539.0@?>, "M. Savad" writes > >Carol J. Rochnowski wrote: > >> > >> Finally decided I need a light table - and am not one capable of "building > >> it" myself - Delphi has one on sale for $120 (down from $150) for 24"x16" > >> plexiglass surface with "color-corrected lights" ... Any and all advice > >> warmly welcomed! Christmas is coming and my family might pitch in ... > >> namaste' carol > >> > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > >you could probably get one cheaper from an art store, or a drafting > >supply store. if it's not cheaper, it should be bigger. though it may > >not have that color corect thing. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > Also check out your local photographic supply store. They will probably > have light tables (used for checking negatives, etc.). One person I > know got a second hand x-ray viewing light source from their local > hospital. It is excellent & and I am very envious. > Steve > -- > Steve Richard > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 04:23:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:22:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Morton Safety Break System Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:24:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.2241.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Scoreboard is a hard surface like thin formica or enamel. The thing is = only 1/4 to 5/16 inches thick so it's imperative that it be placed on a = smoothe flat surface to give it strength. Linda ---------- From: LElsbury@aol.com[SMTP:LElsbury@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 11:58 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Morton Safety Break System I flip my morton board over when doing small pieces, as I too find the = grid a problem when doing small pieces. What material is the Rainbow board = made from?=20 LElsbury@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 04:25:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:24:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Cutting Surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:26:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.22634.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I agree that a home made surgace and jig is the best but for those of us = who don't have a permanent workshop area, somethimes the gadget just = have to do. I have to put my sewing machine away and use the top of my = sewing cabinet for a work surface. The scoreboard works for cutting and = then I replace it with a piece of homosote (sp) when soldering.=20 Linda ---------- From: Steve Richard[SMTP:s.richard@verrier-scotland.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:11 PM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Sally, et al. I too think these patented systems are gadgets which have a place for some limited purposes. The surface I normally use is the work bench which is covered with 1/8 inch plywood attached at the edges of the bench, giving some accommodation for "warped" and irregular glass. I also use a bench with a large table cloth on it for cutting down the stock sheets. The best surface is probably a soft rubber sheet placed on the bench, as used by glaziers. This is easy to clean, with brush or mop. It costs less and is versatile. It does not lend itself to repititious cutting of the same shapes, of course. Steve In message <199711181502.KAA16617@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>, Sally Lamb writes >Other than the Morton System and the Scoreboard, what are some of the = other >cutting surfaces of choice. I usually use a few layers of newspapers = but the >little slivers get stuck in the newspaper (we all know what can happen >then). I've looked at the Morton System, but it looked like just = another >gadget to me plus cutting small pieces would be difficult. Your input = would >be appreciated. > >Sally --=20 Steve Richard ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 07:00:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:59:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Kilgore Trout To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:49:48 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.14948.0> References: <<1997Nov19.22634.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cats Cradle Inc Precedence: bulk I use the Morton stuff for repetative, regular shapes, rectangles, triangles etc. I use Homasote for most of the process, cutting, layup (foiled), and solder. The Homasote seems more forgiving when I've missed some glass chips or splinters. If cutting on wood, I've broken some glass while scoring, if there are pieces of glass between the glass and wood surface. I keep two workbench brushes on the table, (so I can't use the excuse 'I can't find the brush') but don't always clear the area well/often enuf. The guy who demo'd the Morton System at the W/C Glass expo ( I think he was the owner of Morton), had two of their light table/tool boxes connected together, so the large Morton surface fit on top.This looked neat, had storage space below, an could be lifted off the table, so you could use the space for something else (like serve dinner, if anyone else started out like I did). Linda Campbell wrote: > . The scoreboard works for cutting and = > then I replace it with a piece of homosote (sp) when soldering.=20 > > Linda > 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 08:17:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:16:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Di Baker Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:14:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1997Nov19.01439.0> References: <<3.0.1.16.19971118112057.29ef8472@mail.abelink.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Di: Threading the handheld foiler is fairly easy. I usually separate the foil from the backing leaving about an inch to serve to guide the tip. With the foil groove up and the slit at the end to the right, thread the tip of the foil roll being sure the paper separates as it enters the groove. Bring the foil along the groove and thread the tip through the little casters at the left end of the foiler (sometimes a pair of tweezers helps to pull the foil through. Not sure I have been clear on the directions, but the only other thing you want to watch is to avoid twisting the foil because it will break and you will end up having to re-thread it which is annoying. Using the hand foiler helps center the foil but it still requires guidance by the user. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 08:40:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:39:27 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: <199711191639.LAA13576@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too know that not everyone has a large working area. My husband built me a 4x8 work bench in our basement. On the top is Homasote . It is fantastic. I do everything on it and it is very forgiving! I use a small hose type vaccum to pick up all my slivers of glass. This seems to work well for me. Sheila ---------- > From: Kilgore Trout > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Cutting Surface > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 12:49 PM > > I use the Morton stuff for repetative, regular shapes, rectangles, > triangles etc. I use Homasote for most of the process, cutting, layup > (foiled), and solder. The Homasote seems more forgiving when I've missed > some glass chips or splinters. If cutting on wood, I've broken some > glass while scoring, if there are pieces of glass between the glass and > wood surface. I keep two workbench brushes on the table, (so I can't use > the excuse 'I can't find the brush') but don't always clear the area > well/often enuf. The guy who demo'd the Morton System at the W/C Glass > expo ( I think he was the owner of Morton), had two of their light > table/tool boxes connected together, so the large Morton surface fit on > top.This looked neat, had storage space below, an could be lifted off > the table, so you could use the space for something else (like serve > dinner, if anyone else started out like I did). > Linda Campbell wrote: > > > > . The scoreboard works for cutting and = > > then I replace it with a piece of homosote (sp) when soldering.=20 > > > > Linda > > > > 'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative > altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's > most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for > others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 08:42:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:41:55 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: remc7.k12.mi.us!slamb From: Sally Lamb To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:40:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199711191641.LAA00756@server.remc7.k12.mi.us> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all your suggestions of glass cutting surfaces. I think I'll try that "Homosote" stuff. Sal ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 09:13:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:12:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: RJF2.RJF.COM!BETTY_HALL From: BETTY_HALL@RJF2.RJF.COM (BETTY HALL) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Date: 19 Nov 97 12:13:59 EST Message-ID: <29F67234015D3179@-SMF-> References: <<29F67234025D3179@-SMF->> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a pattern with Gargoyles - any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Betty ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:08:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:07:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov19.9737.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even knows what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:11:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:10:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.53738.0> References: <<3.0.1.16.19971118112057.29ef8472@mail.abelink.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My PC crashed so I had 94 messages to read,The answers to your question were fine except perhaps you would like to try my method,I put the foil through the hand foiler paper side up, but i take the foil all the way through and a little more than the length of the foiler(I have stopped the sticking ) and now I separate the paper ,pull the foil back to the end of the paper and then just be sure the paper peels up (from the end)Also I do not use it as a HAND foiler , I c-clamp it to my bench and stand ,or sit, and use Two hands to foil .This is my way ,any way you find effective is great....More than one way to skin a cat.....OK? Don DeVoto On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:57 Di Baker writes: >Hi everyone... > >I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & >speed >up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the >correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the >package >leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I >am. I >tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. > >Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. > >Thanks! > >Di Baker > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:21:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:21:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: infinet.com!glasscat From: Carolyn Noel To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Two Questions Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.91259.0> References: <<1997Nov18.161729.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Carolyn's Creations Precedence: bulk Dear Beveler4: I'm in The Rutledge Gallery on Main Street near the Upper Krust (I think that's how they spell it). Really super people! Jeff Rutledge is a well-known sculptor/painter. Haven't been doing much glass lately--laid up with a detached retina. Bah humbug! Lousy time of year for something like that. Anyway, the exact address is: 1964 N. Main Hope you're able to stop in--really nice place. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:24:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:24:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ime.net!dplummer From: Tina & Dave Plummer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:22:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971119142204.007a84f0@ime.net> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A person at a hardware store told me homosote is used as a soundproofing material for walls. Tina Plummer dplummer@ime.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:36:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:35:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Robert & Jeanne To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:35:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.9359.0> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Hee Sun Stained Glass Precedence: bulk DMR74@aol.com wrote: > > WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber > hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even knows > what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Just did a search and found these results, perhaps they can locate a supplier near you. Hope this helps. Homasote Company Box 7240 West Trenton, NJ 08628 800-257-9491 Robert & Jeanne Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestows Pleasure" jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:36:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:35:37 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 14:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: <9711191430.AA12219@LL.MIT.EDU> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber > hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even knows > what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is > deb I think I saw it in Home Depot being marketed as sound deadening panels. But I'm not sure about that. I bought my 4x8 sheet several years ago and still have more than I need. Although homosote is a trademark, I think it's a common name, and it's rather disturbing, the ignorance of so-called salespeople, that they didn't know what it is, or to try harder to understand from you what it is that you wanted. Good luck in your search. It is definitely available. Find a store that would consider ordering it for you if they don't carry it. -- David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 11:52:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:51:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: 19 Nov 1997 14:50:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.9508.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE>>Cutting surface 11/19/97 I bought my at Home Depot, it came in a 4x8 sheet and the gentleman there cut it down for me. So I have several different size pieces. It's also in my lab at work, it covers the back side of a partition wall and we us it as a bulletin board, sticking push pins in to hold things. Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu -------------------------------------- Date: 11/19/97 2:26 PM To: Connie Jewell From: glass@bungi.com Received: by mail1.ciwemb.edu with SMTP;19 Nov 1997 14:25:03 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:07:43 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov19.9737.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even knows what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 12:40:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:39:14 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:02:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.824.0> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Homosote in St.Louis. Is sold ,sometimes, as bed board,The local Hardware is Hill-Behan, perhaps I could ask them who the distributer is and be of some help..... Don DeVoto On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) DMR74@aol.com writes: >WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big >lumber >hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even >knows >what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is >deb >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 12:43:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.9115.0> References: <<199711191641.LAA00756@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Another vote for Homosote. I cut repetitive geometrics on the Morton, but do everything else on the homosote. Before soldering, I lay down a piece of white butcher paper to work on, and then put my project on it. I also keep a brush close by and frequently wipe of the homosote when I'm cutting. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 13:14:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:13:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:11:19 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.81119.0> References: <<3.0.1.16.19971118112057.29ef8472@mail.abelink.com>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just noticed error!!!Sorry when I said separate,I meant to say ,cut the paper,after separating from the foil and then pull the foil back to where you have cut the paper off and let it peel up from the end............................etc. Sorry for poor explanation... Don DeVoto On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:38 -0600 eldondo1@juno.com writes: >My PC crashed so I had 94 messages to read,The answers to your >question >were fine except perhaps you would like to try my method,I put the >foil >through the hand foiler paper side up, but i take the foil all the way >through and a little more than the length of the foiler(I have stopped >the sticking ) and now I separate the paper ,pull the foil back to the >end of the paper and then just be sure the paper peels up (from the >end)Also I do not use it as a HAND foiler , I c-clamp it to my bench >and >stand ,or sit, and use Two hands to foil .This is my way ,any way you >find effective is great....More than one way to skin a cat.....OK? >Don DeVoto > >On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:57 Di Baker >writes: >>Hi everyone... >> >>I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & >>speed >>up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the >>correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the >>package >>leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I > >>am. I >>tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. >> >>Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Di Baker >> >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 13:20:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:19:32 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:16:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.11161.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The person at the hdwe store is wrong. It probably has some soundproofing qualities but that is not its primary purpose. Anyway, what it's used for in the building trade is not important. It's great for laying out pieces and soldering them on top of it. It is quite rigid and has excellent heat resistant properties. I don't think it will burn at very high temperatures. I'll try to get more information on the product. -----Original Message----- From: Tina & Dave Plummer To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:44 PM Subject: Homosote board >A person at a hardware store told me homosote is used as a soundproofing >material for walls. > >Tina Plummer >dplummer@ime.net > > > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 13:22:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:21:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaley From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re[2]: Cutting surface -- homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 12:23:37 -0800 Message-ID: <9711198799.AA879972704@sf-mail.mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Went wandering on the web--found an article by Martha Stewart (http://www.detnew.com/homestyl/9602/martha/martha.html) Says Homosote (which is the name of the manufacturer) board is relatively lightweight pressed board (1/2 inch thick) made from recycled newspapers. Hard, rigid material is easily penetrated by tacks, nails or staples. Can be found in lumberyards, in 4-by-8foot sheets for about $17 to $22 a sheet. I called our local outlet in Northern California, they had it. It is gray in color, used for sound absorbing features and pin up boards. Suzanne Haley ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Cutting surface Author: at Internet Date: 11/19/97 2:07 PM WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even knows what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 13:44:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:43:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Location: City/State Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:41:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971119204149.0068ae24@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Carolyn, Sorry to hear about your detached retina, a real bummer. Hope you are on the mend. Nice to know where you are located... now if we only knew what city, or better yet, what STATE you were in... Some of the bungi people seem to know each other and perhaps already know where others are located. For us newbies though, it sure would be nice if each writer could note their location following their name/signature. Some already do and it's great! How about the rest of you? Wouldn't it be nice to know WHERE all these comments/questions are coming from? Rojean Anchorage, Alaska At 02:12 PM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Beveler4: >I'm in The Rutledge Gallery on Main Street near the Upper Krust (I think >that's how they spell it). Really super people! Jeff Rutledge is a >well-known sculptor/painter. Haven't been doing much glass lately--laid >up with a detached retina. Bah humbug! Lousy time of year for something >like that. Anyway, the exact address is: 1964 N. Main >Hope you're able to stop in--really nice place. >Carolyn >---- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 13:48:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:47:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971119204604.00680800@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Don, your suggestion for threading the foil thru the foiler sounds great, I (for one) certainly plan to try it. I also would like to try C-clamping it to bench top. Can you describe how you do this? I can't seem to figure it out. Sounds like it would be great. Rojean Anchorage, Alaska At 11:37 AM 11/19/97 -0600, you wrote: >My PC crashed so I had 94 messages to read,The answers to your question >were fine except perhaps you would like to try my method,I put the foil >through the hand foiler paper side up, but i take the foil all the way >through and a little more than the length of the foiler(I have stopped >the sticking ) and now I separate the paper ,pull the foil back to the >end of the paper and then just be sure the paper peels up (from the >end)Also I do not use it as a HAND foiler , I c-clamp it to my bench and >stand ,or sit, and use Two hands to foil .This is my way ,any way you >find effective is great....More than one way to skin a cat.....OK? >Don DeVoto > >On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:57 Di Baker >writes: >>Hi everyone... >> >>I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & >>speed >>up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me the >>correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the >>package >>leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like I >>am. I >>tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. >> >>Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Di Baker >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 14:06:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:05:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 04:05:59 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.22559.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk > Can be found in lumberyards, in 4-by-8foot sheets for about $17 > to $22 a sheet. OUCH!!! This explains why I use sheetrock (gypsum board) instead! It seems to offer the same properties (takes tacks, nails, staples and pushpins well, is lightweight and heat resistant), but the price is sooooo much cheaper (or often FREE, if you don't mind dumpster-diving!). Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 14:33:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:32:42 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.123058.0> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk DMR74@aol.com wrote: > > WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber > hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even knows > what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is > deb > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it can be used as a buliten board, or a super large dart board. i think sometimes it's used as an underlay material to deaden sound. the material is grey in color, and has no splinters, just dust. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 15:30:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:28:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting Surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:26:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.132659.0> References: <<1997Nov19.14948.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I've found 'ceiling tiles' , available at stores like Lowes and Home Depot a cheap and disposable soldering board solution. They are not as durable as homosote, but work just fine for 3-5 projects, then when they are gummed up with flux or whatever, send them to the recycler. They take pins, and are heat proof. Use the gray (back) side to work on. Plus, they come in sheets that are about 2' x 4', and easily to score and cut/break to use just the size you need. I just put it over my Morton light box, or straight on the work table. Price is about $1.50 US. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > . The scoreboard works for cutting and = > then I replace it with a piece of homosote (sp) when soldering.=20 > > Linda > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 15:50:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:49:35 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: GlassHints/Frames-11/17 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:50:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199711192349.RAA18213@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: GlassHints/Frames-11/17 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:44:09 -0500 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > Well, my husband does woodworking as a hobby. He'd promised to > make me some frames for about 2 years now, so I finally went the other > day and bought a 6ft piece of the Northern Hardwoods. I think this was > enough to motivate him. (Maybe I should have done it sooner ;) > > Jerri Hehehe... My wife knows that feeling about me getting around to things......Took me almost 6 months to finally finish my glass panel for our reef tank topper... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 17:13:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:12:04 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.125228.0> References: <<1997Nov19.11161.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Forgot to mention that my piece of homosote came from Home Depot for just a few dollars. It's been a while, but I think it was about $3. One end was damaged so the price was marked way down, but after cutting off a foot or so, it still left more than I could fit on my worktable, so I've got the extra aside for when this wears out. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 18:10:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:08:47 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: inspace.net!herba From: "Herb Adler" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.16524.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I found the Web Page for Homasote. It has been made since the early 1900's from recycled waste paper. I don't know what they add to it but it is great. To learn more http://www.pakline.com/index2.html. -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Date: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Homosote board >> Can be found in lumberyards, in 4-by-8foot sheets for about $17 > to $22 a sheet. > >OUCH!!! This explains why I use sheetrock (gypsum board) instead! It >seems to offer the same properties (takes tacks, nails, staples and >pushpins well, is lightweight and heat resistant), but the price is >sooooo much cheaper (or often FREE, if you don't mind dumpster-diving!). > >Shirley >Grapeland, Tx. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 19:18:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:16:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!kdeck From: kdeck@juno.com (k a s) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:15:55 EST Message-ID: <1997Nov20.31555.0> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >>when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big lumber hardware stores and still have knows what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is deb<< Try asking for beaverboard. Popular in the '40's for interior walls. Hope this helps, Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Nov 19 20:03:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:01:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Handheld foiler Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:53:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.155342.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19971119204604.00680800@primary.matnet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks, If you mean how do I handle the foil work after i c-clamp it to the bench,Its just letting an inch or so of the foil out of the foiler and press on to the glass with thumb and forefinger so it doesn't slip off,then pressing the glass against the plastic wheel and rotating the glass as needed,keeping it against the wheel as much as possible, at your overlap pull it away slightly and cut the foil and then everything is the same as hand holding (the foiler that is ) Ha Ha. As they say ,try it, you'll like it...I hope this is a help to some who wish to try it I have been doing glass for 19 years and foiling this way for 9.Oh yes I get to sit down too...... Don DeVoto On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:04 -0800 "Tyler, Roger D." writes: >Hi Don, your suggestion for threading the foil thru the foiler sounds >great, I (for one) certainly plan to try it. I also would like to try >C-clamping it to bench top. Can you describe how you do this? I >can't seem to figure it out. Sounds like it would be great. >Rojean >Anchorage, Alaska > >At 11:37 AM 11/19/97 -0600, you wrote: >>My PC crashed so I had 94 messages to read,The answers to your >question >>were fine except perhaps you would like to try my method,I put the >foil >>through the hand foiler paper side up, but i take the foil all the >way >>through and a little more than the length of the foiler(I have >stopped >>the sticking ) and now I separate the paper ,pull the foil back to >the >>end of the paper and then just be sure the paper peels up (from the >>end)Also I do not use it as a HAND foiler , I c-clamp it to my bench >and >>stand ,or sit, and use Two hands to foil .This is my way ,any way you >>find effective is great....More than one way to skin a cat.....OK? >>Don DeVoto >> >>On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:20:57 Di Baker >>writes: >>>Hi everyone... >>> >>>I bought the glasstar hand held foiler to help me center the foil & >>>speed >>>up the foiling process but I cannot figure out for the life of me >the >>>correct way to load the foil. The instructions on the back of the >>>package >>>leave alot to be desired especially if you are left handed like >I >>>am. I >>>tried to reverse everything & finally gave up. >>> >>>Any suggestions / directions would be appreciated. >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Di Baker >>> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 05:11:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:09:21 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: remc7.k12.mi.us!slamb From: Sally Lamb To: Stained Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: My Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:06:47 -0500 Message-ID: <199711201308.IAA00256@server.remc7.k12.mi.us> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello All, This is Sally Lamb. I'm in Holland, Michigan. My E-mail address is my place of employment which is Zeeland Public Schools in Zeeland, MI where I'm the Admin. Asst. to the Superintendent (but I'd rather be home doing glass work). Sal ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 05:44:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:43:40 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Using a light table for color Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.34315.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use my light table primarily for color selection. When my clients come in to select the glass to go into the pattern (if I am not going out to the site for glass selection), then the light table is invaluable. This way we can lay the glass samples out together on the light table, and see what the glass will look like with sunlight coming through. So I can do color selection and consultation safely (no holding up of sheets of glass overhead) and after the sun has gone down. The clients like it. Also, I have a very large light table in the middle of my studio. I will frequently leave a completed piece laying on it, with the lights turned on, while I am working on something else. It's a very effective marketing tool. The light shining through the stained glass really draws in a customer's attention. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 05:46:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:31:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.33110.0> References: <<1997Nov19.9737.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It's used for flooring and it can be found at all Carter Lee Building stores. You can order it if need be. Mary On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) DMR74@aol.com writes: >WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big >lumber >hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even >knows >what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is >deb >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 06:45:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 06:44:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 09:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <9711200941.AA24435@LL.MIT.EDU> References: <<1997Nov18.22559.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > OUCH!!! This explains why I use sheetrock (gypsum board) instead! It > seems to offer the same properties (takes tacks, nails, staples and > pushpins well, is lightweight and heat resistant), but the price is > sooooo much cheaper (or often FREE, if you don't mind dumpster-diving!). "OUCH" ??? Considering that a single sheet should last a lifetime, the price seems trivial. By the way, I wonder what 32 square feet of glass might cost; a couple hundred dollars, I'd guess. -- David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 07:35:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:34:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:33:12 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov19.153312.0> References: <<9711200941.AA24435@LL.MIT.EDU>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk David Cogen wrote: > > > OUCH!!! This explains why I use sheetrock (gypsum board) instead! It > > seems to offer the same properties (takes tacks, nails, staples and > > pushpins well, is lightweight and heat resistant), but the price is > > sooooo much cheaper (or often FREE, if you don't mind dumpster-diving!). > "OUCH" ??? > Considering that a single sheet should last a lifetime, the price seems > trivial. > By the way, I wonder what 32 square feet of glass might cost; a couple hundred > dollars, I'd guess. Exactly $21.12 if we are talking about the glue-chip I recently purchased This is where I spent the bucks instead of purchasing homosote. I've used homosote in the past and like it as much as sheetrock. It didn't last a lifetime, but that's probably my fault. Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 07:42:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:40:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:40:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.54046.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk been to Home Depot in TX and they don't even know what it is there (Homosote). They just opened in our area this month maybe I will find someone who knows something soon. deb Buna, TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 08:27:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:22:51 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: abelink.com!rbaker From: Di Baker To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Great idea to see where everyone is located. We might want to hold a get together sometime? I live in Lincoln IL -- center of the state pretty much. The only town in USA named after Abe before he became President. He used to lawyer in these parts. Hence why my e-mail address is abelink.com . On another list we have groups & try to meet yearly...such as Midwestern group. Anyone interested? Have a wonderful day! Di ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* _ |\_ \` ..\ Di Baker __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm `-----'`-----` `--` ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 08:29:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:26:45 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 11:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: <9711201119.AA02832@LL.MIT.EDU> References: <<1997Nov20.54046.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > been to Home Depot in TX and they don't even know what it is there > (Homosote). They just opened in our area this month maybe I will find > someone who knows something soon. I wonder if it's a northern thing? I've been quiet in the discussion on cutting surfaces. Here's what I do: I use homosote underneath. This is soft, so it protects the cutter if I slip off the glass. On top of the homosote I spread several layers of newspaper. Every few cuts I pick up the front edge of the newspaper, causing most of the shards to fall towards the back. Some do remain, being slightly embedded in the newspaper. So after a while I simply discard the top layer of newspaper, exposing a clean sheet underneath. I don't like the brushing idea, feeling that this might cause too much airborne glass dust. Of course it could be misted with a water sprayer to keep the dust down though. I don't claim that's the best solution, but it seems to work OK for me. On my earlier claim that homosote would last a lifetime: please permit me to retract that hastily made statement. I doubt that it would. But I do feel that it is a reasonable, fairly inexpensive solution. -- David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 09:12:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:10:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: APRIL 98 IN HOLLAND, EUROPE !! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:09:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199711201710.RAA16966@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Bunginians, Following the successful trip in April 97 to Cratres in France, Judith Robinson of Samuel Whitbread College, Bedfordshire, UK and Elisabeth of North Lights Stained Glass in UK are NOW putting together another trip, this time to Holland. What sparked this off (in preference to Glasgow, UK) was the fact that a "flower arranging class" at Samuel Whitbread wants to go and see the Bulbs in Bloom in Holland. What could be more inspiring for the stained glass artist (or the painter!) than the spectacular colours of fresh flowers, fresh tulips in full bloom, field after field of them, bless their cotton socks....! So this time around Judith and Elisabeth are planning a 6-7 day trip, again leaving from UK AROUND 26/7 APRIL 1998. We are hoping to cover Antwerp, The Bulb Fields and Amsterdam. In Amsterdam, the focus must surely be the Van Gogh Museum and the Rijksmuseum, and - perhaps for the braver ones - a forray into the "Other (in)famous District of Amsterdam.... ;-) Financing VERY much in line with previous trip (i.e. as economical as possible, yet comfortable and affordable to the common pocket). For our lovely visitors from "Across The Big Pond", Judith and Elisabeth will make special arrangements while you are here in UK. Programme, exact dates and exact costs to be advised ASAP. (Very much in line with the UK Sterling costs of last trip, but since there will be another day or two extra to the trip, you will need to take this into account) (Martin Streng in Antwerp; If you are still "lurking", I am hoping to make contact with you in a couple of days or so....) REGISTER YOUR INTEREST N O W !!!! Initially with Elisabeth at e-mail: toby@northlights.co.uk and/ or with Judith at e-mail judy@wenslumlodge.demon.co.uk ....AND, don't tell me I don't work fast!!! ;-o My Very Best to you ALL! Elisabeth 'n Toby in UK ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 09:13:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:10:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Filigree for Miniature Stained Glass Houses Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 11:11:16 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov20.191116.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, This is Dawn. I have been on a stained glass hiatus for the last 5 month= s and just resubscribed to the group. It's definitely good to "hear" fro= m everyone again. I wanted to throw something out to the group for some suggestions. I am = making some miniature houses/buildings, etc. and am currently looking at = purchasing the filigree refills for the "Deelightful Heirlooms" collectio= n. My question is, "Is there a way I could make the filigree myself?" Does anyone know what kind of metal, weight, etc. the filigree is made = of? Is it possible to buy sheets of this and cut out your own filigree? What would cut out the intricate shapes? If anyone has any experience with the filigree for these miniatures I wou= ld definitely appreciate any advice you can give me. Dawn In the Ozark Mountains of Missouri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 09:26:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:24:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ee.net!pucky From: "Sheila" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: <199711201726.MAA11903@ee.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk not knowing where Buna TX is...I lived in Bastrop TX. and got my homosote at a lumberyard in Austin. I can't remember the name of the lumberyard but you may try calling Austin Stain Glass as they were the ones that told me where I could by it. I do remember it being in northern Austin. And yes I was a fool to leave that warm climate and move to Ohio! . Hope that can be of some help. Sheila :) ---------- > From: DMR74@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: Cutting surface > Date: Thursday, November 20, 1997 10:40 AM > > been to Home Depot in TX and they don't even know what it is there > (Homosote). They just opened in our area this month maybe I will find > someone who knows something soon. > deb > Buna, TX > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 09:59:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:57:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971120165727.00688a4c@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mary, I may be the only one, but I have never heard of 'Carter Lee Bldg'. Where is it? At 08:31 AM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >It's used for flooring and it can be found at all Carter Lee Building >stores. You can order it if need be. >Mary > > > >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:07:37 -0500 (EST) DMR74@aol.com writes: >>WELL Sal when you find homosote let me know I have shopped all the big >>lumber >>hardware stores and still have not found it let alone someone who even >>knows >>what it is. Maybe someone can tell us what the real use for this is >>deb >>---- >>For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >>To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >>Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >> >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 11:03:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:02:15 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gr.cns.net!pristine From: The Crew To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:56:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.85647.0> References: <<199711201308.IAA00256@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Pristine Glass Co. Precedence: bulk Hi sally et al. I'm in Grand Rapids, MI. Ther are a lot of glass people in michigan. I can think of four on the web. Sally Lamb wrote: > > Hello All, > This is Sally Lamb. I'm in Holland, Michigan. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 11:43:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:47:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199711201942.OAA16135@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there is 53 > > degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the pieces There is no connection of any kind between the temperature of your shop, the temperature of the glass being cut, and the ability of the glass to be cut. I've heard people say that they warm their glass up to make it "cut more easily" ... whatever. Warming the glass might make working with it more comfortable for you as the cutter of the glass, but it has nothing to do with whether the glass itself will cut better, faster, or more easily. Sorry. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (413) 663-5512 ... fax line to come soon _____________________________________________ Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 11:43:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:41:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Riordan Artistry URL Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:47:42 +0000 Message-ID: <199711201942.OAA16128@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I just tried the address posted (http://www.riordanartistry.com) and was > told by Netscape that the address does not have a registerd domain name. That's just the web's way of giving you a "busy signal." Try again. I get that message sometimes on web sites that I own myself or manage for others. I *know they exist and that they have DNS entries, yet I get the splash telling me they don't exist and don't have entries. Ignore the message and try again. If you continue to get it, you might have a spelling error in the URL. Check that, too. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 12:10:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:09:16 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: flash.net!bunzie From: Lori To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF5C6.2C46D2E0" Subject: RE: Temperature of Shop Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.1081.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF5C6.2C46D2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Albert...I thought the same thing, but being fairly new to this, I = didn't wanna open mouth and insert foot. Why would warming glass make = it cut easier? Good thing you posted that before I tried to cram a = sheet in my microwave!!! Ha ha! Happy cuttin' (warm or not) = everybody!! ~Lori Southeastern Michigan ---------- From: Albert Lewis[SMTP:alewis@vgernet.net] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 9:47 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop > > Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there = is 53 > > degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the = pieces There is no connection of any kind between the temperature of your=20 shop, the temperature of the glass being cut, and the ability of the=20 glass to be cut. I've heard people say that they warm their glass up=20 to make it "cut more easily" ... whatever. Warming the glass might make working with it more comfortable for you=20 as the cutter of the glass, but it has nothing to do with whether the=20 glass itself will cut better, faster, or more easily. Sorry. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. 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I did receive 1 set of fins.. I bought a sheet of copper foil (from local retailer) and I traced the fins on the foil.. I than cut the blank spaces out with a fine point x-acto knife.. I burnished this to my clean glass and than wrapped it normally with copper foil.. When I finished soldering it, it was completely raised up and looked quite nice.. (and I still have the original filigree for more bass lamps. So if you have one filigree you might be able to do the same thing.. Gloria, from Gibsonia, PA, just north of Pittsburgh Dawn wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > This is Dawn. I have been on a stained glass hiatus for the last 5 month= > s and just resubscribed to the group. It's definitely good to "hear" fro= > m everyone again. > > I wanted to throw something out to the group for some suggestions. I am = > making some miniature houses/buildings, etc. and am currently looking at = > purchasing the filigree refills for the "Deelightful Heirlooms" collectio= > n. My question is, "Is there a way I could make the filigree myself?" > > Does anyone know what kind of metal, weight, etc. the filigree is made = > of? > Is it possible to buy sheets of this and cut out your own filigree? > What would cut out the intricate shapes? > > If anyone has any experience with the filigree for these miniatures I wou= > ld definitely appreciate any advice you can give me. > > Dawn > In the Ozark Mountains of Missouri > > ---- > glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 13:18:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:16:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Wittenberg.EDU!CUTLER From: cutler@Wittenberg.EDU To: Albert Lewis Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Riordan Artistry URL Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:16:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.111634.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the advice. I tried the URL again and sure enough it appeared in all its glory. Beautiful work. Worth the wait. Bob Cutler On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Albert Lewis wrote: > > I get that message sometimes on web sites that I own myself or manage > for others. I *know they exist and that they have DNS entries, yet I > get the splash telling me they don't exist and don't have entries. > Ignore the message and try again. If you continue to get it, you > might have a spelling error in the URL. Check that, too. > > Albert > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 13:29:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:28:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Venice , Italy Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:28:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.112811.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for the info on Venice, Italy...we leave for Florence on Monday - hopefully we will have time for this side trip...I'm new to stained glass and have been obsessed with it!...the threads i have read have been informative, enlightening, and sometimes, quite funny! will be logged back on when we return...ciao!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 13:35:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:34:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.113444.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Try Home Depot...it should be the the dry wall, etc. section. A 4x8' size board is about $15.00 (USA$$). Some of the more well stocked stained glass stores sell them also. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 13:43:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:42:44 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutting surface Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:42:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.114227.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Regarding homosote - I was told it use to be used in flooring, and I guess still is to some extent. I have found it at Menards and Carter Lumber in Indianapolis, IN. I thought Menards was a national chain but maybe not. I'm not sure about Carter Lumber. Hope this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 13:55:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: Temperature of Shop Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:02:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199711202155.QAA19853@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Albert...I thought the same thing, but being fairly new to this, I = > didn't wanna open mouth and insert foot. Why would warming glass make = > it cut easier? Lori, Aw, go ahead and insert foot. I do it often enough myself, but I doublechecked the facts on the cuttability of glass with regard to its temperature and confirmed what I've long understood. The "other myth" of stained glass cutting is that once you've scored it you have to break it pretty soon. Otherwise, the score will begin to "heal" and you won't be able to break along it. That happens to be correct. When you score glass, what you're actually doing is breaking the surface tension of the glass (as you would with a liquid ... remember "glass is a supercooled liquid"? Well, that happens to be correct, too. If you don't run the score, the surface tension begins to reassert itself and the score's no good, in the sense that you won't be able to use it as a break line. It's just more of what makes glass such an interesting and intriguing material. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 14:03:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:01:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:01:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.12141.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk boy am I glad you all didn't first recomend sheet rock, :) I have done way too much sheet rock work in the last several years and you don't want to be around me when I can feel that horrible sheet rock dust or mud. I will continue my hunt for a place that sells homosote around here. I am narrowing it down to maybe an acoustics place like drywallers for comercial businesses. deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 14:03:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:01:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: My Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:01:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.12137.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Welcome aboard Sal just wait till you get all these e-mails at work deb ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 14:18:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:16:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Riordan Artistry URL Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:17:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971120171749.006f2bec@pop.netrox.net> References: <<199711201942.OAA16128@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 02:47 PM 11/20/97 +0000, you wrote: > >> I just tried the address posted (http://www.riordanartistry.com) and was >> told by Netscape that the address does not have a registerd domain name. > >That's just the web's way of giving you a "busy signal." Try again. > >I get that message sometimes on web sites that I own myself or manage >for others. I *know they exist and that they have DNS entries, yet I >get the splash telling me they don't exist and don't have entries. >Ignore the message and try again. If you continue to get it, you >might have a spelling error in the URL. Check that, too. Or you might not be connected to the Internet ... sometimes I try to browse when I'm offline and the same error message is displayed ... M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 14:18:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:16:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Welcome Home, Dawn Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:15:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971120171528.006e00c8@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1997Nov20.191116.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Welcome Back, Dawn! You've been missed around here! Cheers, M.-J. At 11:11 AM 11/20/97 PST, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >This is Dawn. I have been on a stained glass hiatus for the last 5 month= >s and just resubscribed to the group. It's definitely good to "hear" fro= >m everyone again. *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% *%* M.-J. Taylor athena@netrox.net When you talk about your troubles, your ailments, your diseases, your hurts, you give longer life to what makes you unhappy. Talking about your grievances merely adds to those grievances. Give recognition only to what you desire. Think and talk only aout the good things that add to your enjoyment of your work and life. If you don't talk about your grievances, you'll be delighted to find them disappearing quickly. (Or so says Thomas Dreier) *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 14:30:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:28:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:26:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971120172658.006f152c@pop.netrox.net> References: <<199711201308.IAA00256@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, I'm happy as a clam down here in the Florida Keys ... that's why they say: location, location, location! ;D M.-J. At 08:06 AM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hello All, >This is Sally Lamb. I'm in Holland, Michigan. My E-mail address is my place >of employment which is Zeeland Public Schools in Zeeland, MI where I'm the >Admin. Asst. to the Superintendent (but I'd rather be home doing glass >work). > >Sal >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the rest.**** M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 15:42:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:41:54 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!ncscoutr From: NC Scouter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Subject: Re: My Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:20:11 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.112011.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19971120172658.006f152c@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk > At 08:06 AM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello All, > >This is Sally Lamb. I'm in Holland, Michigan. My E-mail address is my place > >of employment which is Zeeland Public Schools in Zeeland, MI where I'm the > >Admin. Asst. to the Superintendent (but I'd rather be home doing glass > >work). > > > >Sal > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > M.-J. Taylor wrote: > > Well, I'm happy as a clam down here in the Florida Keys ... > that's why they say: location, location, location! > > ;D > > M.-J. > > ****What I write is just what *I* think. Take what *you* like and leave the > rest.**** > > M.-J. Taylor > > > Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, > we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) > |\ ( ) > _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ > ----- -_-_ > -- - - > ---- Hello to y'all too! I can see the light!!!! (The Cape Hatteras Light that is...) I'm stuck here in the middle of the East Coast on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, aka the "graveyard of the Atlantic", "playground of the East Coast", "home of the 'Lost Colony'", hurricane central, etc., etc., etc... It's beautiful, the folks are the greatest, and the winters are MILD! Lotsa opportunities for glass too! ;-D V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Wanchese, North Carolina -- ________ "But we have this treasure | | in jars of clay..." ( ) ( ) 2cor4.7niv (________) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 16:02:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:01:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:02:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971120190234.00697e54@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well since all are jumping in I figured I'd join in. We're located just outside good old Baltimore, Maryland in Reisterstown. Although the Outer Banks of North Carolina sure sounds good right about now. Robert & Jeanne Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 16:20:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:20:17 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Kilgore Trout To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Subject: url in 50 words or less was Re: Riordan Artistry URL Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:11:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.111137.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19971120171749.006f2bec@pop.netrox.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Cats Cradle Inc Precedence: bulk URLS are a human oriented interface to the Net. A web site has what's called an IP address which goes something like 205.999.0.999. This is the absolute routing directions to a server. www.bungi.com is a readily readable alias that is easier for humans to remember. When you hit enter or click on a URL, a message is sent to a server that interprets the url into an IP address. If the servers near to you are down, or busy, you don't get a valid ip address, and the message you get back  from your browser is accurate, but not always useful. As suggested, try again later.  
M.-J. Taylor wrote:
At 02:47 PM 11/20/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> I just tried the address posted (http://www.riordanartistry.com) and was
>> told by Netscape that the address does not have a registerd domain name.
>
>Or you might not be connected to the Internet ... sometimes I try to browse
when I'm offline and the same error message is displayed ...

M.-J.
 

 

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'Every (person) must decide whether to walk in the light of creative altruism or the darkness of selfishness. This is the judgement. Life's most persistent and urgent question is "What are you doing for others?'"Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
  ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 16:35:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:33:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: IP addresses in URL's was Re: url in 50 words or less Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 17:33:46 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<3.0.1.32.19971120171749.006f2bec@pop.netrox.net>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > URLS are a human oriented interface to the Net. A web site has what's called > an IP address which goes something like 205.999.0.999. This is the absolute > routing directions to a server. www.bungi.com is a readily readable alias > that is easier for humans to remember. When you hit enter or click on a > URL, a message is sent to a server that interprets the url into an IP > address. If the servers near to you are down, or busy, you don't get a valid > ip address, and the message you get back  from your browser is accurate, > but not always useful. As suggested, try again later. and for the techno-geeks, this is how you find out the ip address of any site name: nslookup bungi.com Server: nitro.ts.stratus.com Address: 134.111.18.9 res_mkquery(0, bungi.com, 1, 1) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode = QUERY, id = 4, rcode = NOERROR header flags: response, want recursion, recursion avail. questions = 1, answers = 2, authority records = 4, additional = 7 QUESTIONS: bungi.com, type = A, class = IN ANSWERS: -> bungi.com internet address = 206.14.228.2 ttl = 21515 (5 hours 58 mins 35 secs) -> bungi.com internet address = 207.126.97.2 ttl = 21515 (5 hours 58 mins 35 secs) AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> bungi.com nameserver = DAVER.bungi.com ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) -> bungi.com nameserver = UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) -> bungi.com nameserver = UUCP-GW-2.PA.DEC.COM ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) -> bungi.com nameserver = NS.NOVELL.COM ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) ADDITIONAL RECORDS: -> DAVER.bungi.com internet address = 207.126.97.2 ttl = 172726 (1 day 23 hours 58 mins 46 secs) -> DAVER.bungi.com internet address = 206.14.228.2 ttl = 172726 (1 day 23 hours 58 mins 46 secs) -> UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM internet address = 204.123.2.18 ttl = 169113 (1 day 22 hours 58 mins 33 secs) -> UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM internet address = 16.1.0.18 ttl = 169113 (1 day 22 hours 58 mins 33 secs) -> UUCP-GW-2.PA.DEC.COM internet address = 16.1.0.19 ttl = 169113 (1 day 22 hours 58 mins 33 secs) -> NS.NOVELL.COM internet address = 137.65.1.1 ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) -> NS.NOVELL.COM internet address = 137.65.4.1 ttl = 5085 (1 hour 24 mins 45 secs) ------------ Non-authoritative answer: Name: bungi.com Addresses: 206.14.228.2, 207.126.97.2 ------------ if you then use the ip numeric address instead of the sitename in your url, you can then get there without having to do the dns lookup. since lookup daemons are frequently busy, this means you can usually get to the site without any problems at all. regards, charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 16:50:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:49:52 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: concentric.net!pansy From: pansy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unscribe Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.14430.0> References: <<1997Nov19.153312.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk unscribe ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 17:06:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:04:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:02:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.15253.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I am here in Sarasota, Florida, sometimes known as the 'Arts Capital' of Florida. Weather is usually great, lots of flora and fauna. My home/office/studio overlooks a small lake, and have set up my computer by the back window so I can look out at the lake when on the computer. I owe a bunch of e-mail to folks here who welcomed me back after my move, and will get to them shortly (or longly as the case may be?) So is anyone else on bungi.com in driving distance to Sarasota? (about 1 hour south of Tampa, on the Gulf Coast) Would love to meet and 'coffee chat'. Elisabeth, owe you several msgs and I do others, but not yet unpacked. I am interested in the Europe trips, and hope for a good winter show season so I can afford it. Will e-mail everyone privately. Best Wishes to All, Lee Boe Di Baker wrote: > > Great idea to see where everyone is located. We might want to hold a get > together sometime? > > I live in Lincoln IL -- center of the state pretty much. The only town in > USA named after Abe before he became President. He used to lawyer in these > parts. Hence why my e-mail address is abelink.com . > > On another list we have groups & try to meet yearly...such as Midwestern > group. Anyone interested? > > Have a wonderful day! > > Di > > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > _ |\_ > \` ..\ Di Baker > __,.-" =__Y= Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, > jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney > _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: > ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm > `-----'`-----` `--` > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 17:13:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:12:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.151018.0> References: <<199711201942.OAA16135@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk My limited experience with difficult cutting glass seems to contradict this, Albert. By warming (with a light) a piece of 'drapery' or bulls eye, it really does cut better. Even if it is just 'in my head' I will continue, as I rarely get a 'bad break' if the glass is hot (just pretty warm to the touch) I have a movable arm 100 watt lamp right over the cutting area, and just pull it down to about 6 inches above the glass for a few minutes. Ducking before the MSG's fly------- Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations PS just found my Membership billing, and sent it in today, Albert, Thanks Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > Central NY and it's cold already. The temperature today down there is 53 > > > degrees, I assume this is too cold to cut glass. I brought up the pieces > > There is no connection of any kind between the temperature of your > shop, the temperature of the glass being cut, and the ability of the > glass to be cut. I've heard people say that they warm their glass up > to make it "cut more easily" ... whatever. > > Warming the glass might make working with it more comfortable for you > as the cutter of the glass, but it has nothing to do with whether the > glass itself will cut better, faster, or more easily. Sorry. > > Albert Lewis > > International Guild of Glass Artists, Inc. > A 501(c)(6) not-for-profit association > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > (413) 663-5512 ... fax line to come soon > _____________________________________________ > Home page http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ > Members' work http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm > Sources Guide http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm > Guild Library http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 17:33:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:31:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!jeksac From: John Keller To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: IP addresses in URL's was Re: url in 50 words or less Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:35:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.13354.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Admin Kit Investigator Precedence: bulk Charlie, I, for one, am impressed - i think i'll be better off staying a museum director (but now i know who to email for H-E-L-P..... Linn Charles Spitzer wrote: > > You wrote: > > URLS are a human oriented interface to the Net. A web site has what's called > > an IP address which goes something like 205.999.0.999. This is the absolute > > routing directions to a server. www.bungi.com is a readily readable alias > > that is easier for humans to remember. When you hit enter or click on a > > URL, a message is sent to a server that interprets the url into an IP > > address. If the servers near to you are down, or busy, you don't get a valid > > ip address, and the message you get back  from your browser is accurate, > > but not always useful. As suggested, try again later. > > and for the techno-geeks, this is how you find out the ip address of any site name: > > nslookup bungi.com > Server: nitro.ts.stratus.com > Address: 134.111.18.9 > > res_mkquery(0, bungi.com, 1, 1) > ------------ > Got answer: > HEADER: > opcode = QUERY, id = 4, rcode = NOERROR > header flags: response, want recursion, recursion avail. > questions = 1, answers = 2, authority records = 4, additional = 7 > > QUESTIONS: > bungi.com, type = A, class = IN > ANSWERS: > -> bungi.com > internet address = 206.14.228.2 > ttl = 21515 (5 hours 58 mins 35 secs) > -> bungi.com > internet address = 207.126.97.2 > ttl = 21515 (5 hours 58 mins 35 secs) > AUTHORITY RECORDS: > -> bungi.com > nameserver = DAVER.bungi.com > ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) > -> bungi.com > nameserver = UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM > ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) > -> bungi.com > nameserver = UUCP-GW-2.PA.DEC.COM > ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) > -> bungi.com > nameserver = NS.NOVELL.COM > ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) > ADDITIONAL RECORDS: > -> DAVER.bungi.com > internet address = 207.126.97.2 > ttl = 172726 (1 day 23 hours 58 mins 46 secs) > -> DAVER.bungi.com > internet address = 206.14.228.2 > ttl = 172726 (1 day 23 hours 58 mins 46 secs) > -> UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM > internet address = 204.123.2.18 > ttl = 169113 (1 day 22 hours 58 mins 33 secs) > -> UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM > internet address = 16.1.0.18 > ttl = 169113 (1 day 22 hours 58 mins 33 secs) > -> UUCP-GW-2.PA.DEC.COM > internet address = 16.1.0.19 > ttl = 169113 (1 day 22 hours 58 mins 33 secs) > -> NS.NOVELL.COM > internet address = 137.65.1.1 > ttl = 134337 (1 day 13 hours 18 mins 57 secs) > -> NS.NOVELL.COM > internet address = 137.65.4.1 > ttl = 5085 (1 hour 24 mins 45 secs) > > ------------ > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: bungi.com > Addresses: 206.14.228.2, 207.126.97.2 > ------------ > > if you then use the ip numeric address instead of the sitename in your url, > you can then get there without having to do the dns lookup. since lookup > daemons are frequently busy, this means you can usually get to the site > without any problems at all. > > regards, > charlie > --- > Charles Spitzer > charlie@az.stratus.com > Customer Assistance Center > Stratus Computer, Inc. > Phoenix, AZ > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 17:45:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:44:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mssb.net!Tperri From: Tperri@mssb.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re:Location Date: 20 Nov 1997 20:48:20 EDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All! I am new to stained glass, the internet, and to this group. I have learned so much already from all your great input. I am from Toronto, Canada. It's a wonderful place with excellent stained glass stores. Thanks for all the tips! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 18:33:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:31:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: pobox.com!Northernlights From: Northernlights To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My Location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:34:37 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Nov20.143437.0> References: <<199711201308.IAA00256@server.remc7.k12.mi.us>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Quiet one here -- I'm in St. Paul, Minnesota, otherwise known as the Great White North. I really appreciate all the tips I've been reading -- I'm new to stained glass and reading all the e-mails has helped in more than a couple of areas. Thanks again everyone! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 18:47:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:46:23 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sun catcher prices Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:07:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov18.1674.0> References: <<1997Nov18.35623.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I haven't been to a craft show in quite a while, and I'm a hobbiest with no plans of trying to turn this into an income right now, but can someone give me an idea of what to charge for a suncatcher. I was really doing this as a favor for a friend (it's to be a gift for her mom). It was that frog that everyone gave me so much helpful information on the inside curves. It was 12 pieces, not the easiest darn light catcher, but it came out looking really good. It seems like from what I remember seeing, people wouldn't pay more than $10 or $15 for something anyway, and that's why you see the really simple things out there. Well, I was going to just ask for the cost of materials and barter some babysitting time (which is worth more to me than money), but my friend insisted on paying me $20. Does this seem reasonable? I don't think I like doing business with friends because I feel like I'm taking advantage, but I did put some time into this little frog. Obviously not a good businesswoman, Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 18:54:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:54:24 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Site for Carol Conti Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 22:42:12 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov21.64212.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there have info on Carol Conti and is she on the net? = Would like to contact her regarding one of her lamp designs. Appreciate = any info any of you have. jc ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Nov 20 19:22:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:21:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: matnet.com!rogert From: "Tyler, Roger D." To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Sun catcher prices Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:20:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971121022014.006f2e34@primary.matnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri, Glad to hear your frog came out so well. Yes, I agree, it's hardest to do work for 'friends'. I have done craft sales for 4 yrs now, in Alaska and So. Calif. I usually figure roughly $2/piece, more or less(depending on the complication, trim,etc). That would be for suncatchers with from 2 to 24 or so pieces. Shops charge more, so consignment stuff can be priced higher. I have never had trouble selling tons of suncatchers at these prices. For friends, I too, tend to chop off a few dollars. It'll be interesting to see what others say, remembering there is a difference in shop, craft fairs, and personal prices. Rojean Alaska At 09:07 PM 11/18/97 -0500, you wrote: > > I haven't been to a craft show in quite a while, and I'm a >hobbiest with no plans of trying to turn this into an income right now, >but can someone give me an idea of what to charge for a suncatcher. I >was really doing this as a favor for a friend (it's to be a gift for her >mom). It was that frog that everyone gave me so much helpful information >on the inside curves. It was 12 pieces, not the easiest darn light >catcher, but it came out looking really good. It seems like from what I >remember seeing, people wouldn't pay more than $10 or $15 for something >anyway, and that's why you see the really simple things out there. Well, >I was going to just ask for the cost of materials and barter some >babysitting time (which is worth more to me than money), but my friend >insisted on paying me $20. Does this seem reasonable? I don't think I >like doing business with friends because I feel like I'm taking >advantage, but I did put some time into this little frog. > >Obviously not a good businesswoman, > >Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 01:57:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:55:49 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:55:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov20.235543.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You might want to look in coloring books, comic books, boxes from gargoyle figurines(sic)., etc...... Goodluck! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 03:38:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:38:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Site for Carol Conti Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:45:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199711211138.GAA07372@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Does anyone out there have info on Carol Conti and is she on the net? = > Would like to contact her regarding one of her lamp designs. Appreciate = > any info any of you have. Yes, she's the head of ASGLA (Associated Stained Glass Lamp Artists) and can be contacted at asgla@wa.net Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 03:39:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:38:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Temperature of Shop Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:45:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199711211138.GAA07375@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > eye, it really does cut better. Even if it is just 'in my head' I will > continue, as I rarely get a 'bad break' if the glass is hot Perfectly all right, Lee ... whatever works. Heck, I do superstitious things myself, even though doing them doesn't mean that I'm guaranteed the outcome I'm looking for. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 03:49:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:47:33 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LElsbury From: LElsbury@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:46:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov21.1465.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think pricing items is the most difficult part of the stained glass business. If you overprice obviously people won't pay it, but if you underprice you aren't being fair to yourself. I have yet to find a "formula" that works everytime. I too would be interested in how other people price things or what formula they use to determine prices. I do think that areas of the country, and possibly local areas, have an inpact on prices that will sell items. LElsbury@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 04:16:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:16:02 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: jackel.demon.co.uk!mike From: Mike Simpson To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Filigree for Miniature Stained Glass Houses Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:55:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <199711211055.KAA00317@jackel.demon.co.uk> References: <<1997Nov20.191116.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Filigrees can be made in the same way that printed circuit boards are made for electronic equipment. The procedure that I use for one-offs is as follows:- Use brass sheet of between 0.005 and 0.010 inch thickness, cover one side with parcel tape or other waterproof tape and clean the uncovered side with fine wire-wool or other abrasive. Draw the pattern of the filigree on the cleaned surface with a resist pen - Decon Dalo from Tandy electronic shops is good for this, I believe that Radio Shack in the USA is the same company. Prepare an etching solution by disolving ferric chloride in water until no more will disolve and then dilute it with as much water again to give a 50 percent solution. Pour some of this into a suitable tray (Plastic or glass) and drop the prepared brass into it for a few seconds, remove and check that there is an even pink surface and that it is wetted throughout. While it is still wet carefully put it upside down (parcel tape up) on the surface of the liquid - is should float. It takes from 20 minutes to about 8 hours to etch away all of the brass that hasn't been coverd by the resist ink. Odd notes:- Other waterproof pens seem to work poorly, seeming not only to let through the etching solution in places but also to contaminate the solution so that etching is poor. While ferric chloride is fairly innocuous on the scale of chemicals, the by-product of the etching contains a number of other metalic salts and is quite nasty - handle with care and gloves!! The reason for putting the brass upside-down on the surface is to let the powdery precipitate - which I think is metalic iron - fall from the surface. you can also put it the right way up in the bottom of the tray and agitate it continuously. This is quicker, 10 mins to half an hour but needs to be agitated all this time. You can use the same method to etch brass part way through to make solder-on name tags etc.. There are many improvements available to give better and quicker etching including bubble tanks, photographic resists etc.. Mike Simpson > > Hi Everyone, > > This is Dawn. I have been on a stained glass hiatus for the last 5 month= > s and just resubscribed to the group. It's definitely good to "hear" fro= > m everyone again. > > I wanted to throw something out to the group for some suggestions. I am = > making some miniature houses/buildings, etc. and am currently looking at = > purchasing the filigree refills for the "Deelightful Heirlooms" collectio= > n. My question is, "Is there a way I could make the filigree myself?" > > Does anyone know what kind of metal, weight, etc. the filigree is made = > of? > Is it possible to buy sheets of this and cut out your own filigree? > What would cut out the intricate shapes? > > If anyone has any experience with the filigree for these miniatures I wou= > ld definitely appreciate any advice you can give me. > > Dawn > In the Ozark Mountains of Missouri > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 05:50:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:49:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: My location Date: 21 Nov 1997 08:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.34716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE>>My location 11/21/97 So looks like I'm not the only bungi in Baltimore. And as for the outer banks, "anything further south sounds good to me this time of year. Jewell -------------------------------------- Date: 11/20/97 7:20 PM To: Connie Jewell From: glass@bungi.com Received: by mail1.ciwemb.edu with SMTP;20 Nov 1997 19:14:20 -0500 Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:01:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: erols.com!jkeane From: Hee Sun Stained Glass To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My location Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:02:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971120190234.00697e54@pop.erols.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well since all are jumping in I figured I'd join in. We're located just outside good old Baltimore, Maryland in Reisterstown. Although the Outer Banks of North Carolina sure sounds good right about now. Robert & Jeanne Hee Sun Stained Glass "Bestow Pleasure" jkeane@erols.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 06:02:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:01:19 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.net!jcampbell From: "jcampbell" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:48:54 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov21.174854.0> References: <<1997Nov20.15253.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am in the Ocala area. Glad to see Floridians around. Would be interes= ted in the shows you will be at. We hope some day to go to shows with = our work. jc ---------- > > I am here in Sarasota, Florida, sometimes known as the 'Arts Capital' = of > Florida. Weather is usually great, lots of flora and fauna. My > home/office/studio overlooks a small lake, and have set up my computer > by the back window so I can look out at the lake when on the computer. = > I owe a bunch of e-mail to folks here who welcomed me back after my > move, and will get to them shortly (or longly as the case may be?) So = is > anyone else on bungi.com in driving distance to Sarasota? (about 1 hou= r > south of Tampa, on the Gulf Coast) Would love to meet and 'coffee > chat'. Elisabeth, owe you several msgs and I do others, but not yet > unpacked. I am interested in the Europe trips, and hope for a good > winter show season so I can afford it. Will e-mail everyone privately. > > Best Wishes to All, > > Lee Boe > > Di Baker wrote: > > > > Great idea to see where everyone is located. We might want to hold = a get > > together sometime? > > > > I live in Lincoln IL -- center of the state pretty much. The only tow= n in > > USA named after Abe before he became President. He used to lawyer in = these > > parts. Hence why my e-mail address is abelink.com . > > > > On another list we have groups & try to meet yearly...such as Midwest= ern > > group. Anyone interested? > > > > Have a wonderful day! > > > > Di > > > > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > > _ |\_ > > \` ..\ Di Baker > > __,.-" =3D__Y=3D Kitties--Bogie Blue, Chanel Blue, Sarah, > > jgs ." ) Tornado, Cagney > > _ / , \/\_ Wanna see how cute we are? Visit us at: > > ((____| )_-\ \_-` http://www.islandnet.com/~jbrooks/di1.htm > > `-----'`-----` `--` > > ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~*~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* ~* > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 06:10:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:08:56 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: " bungi" Subject: Cutting Mirror Glass Date: 21 Nov 1997 09:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.4442.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have to cut some Mirror glass, does this glass need to be treated differently than any other glass to prevent the coating on the back from being damaged? I know you have to seal the back before soldering mirror. Any tips or info. on dealing with mirror glass would be appreciated. Thanks Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 06:39:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:38:13 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sgi.net!mindwarp From: mindwarp To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.42623.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tperri@mssb.net wrote: > > Hi All! > > I am new to stained glass, the internet, and to this group. I have > learned so much already from all your great input. I am from Toronto, > Canada. It's a wonderful place with excellent stained glass stores. I am also rather new to the group.... more of a lurker and learner... with an occasional post... I'm from Pittsburgh, PA Sandi ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:01:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:00:36 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:58:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.45847.0> References: <<1997Nov18.1674.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Jerri M Roey wrote: > > I haven't been to a craft show in quite a while, and I'm a > hobbiest with no plans of trying to turn this into an income right now, > but can someone give me an idea of what to charge for a suncatcher. I > was really doing this as a favor for a friend (it's to be a gift for her > mom). It was that frog that everyone gave me so much helpful information > on the inside curves. It was 12 pieces, not the easiest darn light > catcher, but it came out looking really good. It seems like from what I > remember seeing, people wouldn't pay more than $10 or $15 for something > anyway, and that's why you see the really simple things out there. Well, > I was going to just ask for the cost of materials and barter some > babysitting time (which is worth more to me than money), but my friend > insisted on paying me $20. Does this seem reasonable? I don't think I > like doing business with friends because I feel like I'm taking > advantage, but I did put some time into this little frog. > > Obviously not a good businesswoman, > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that sounds ok to me. that's something i would have charged. my guess it was probably easier to her to give you 20 bucks, instead of baby sitting :). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:09:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:07:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Cutting Mirror Glass Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:05:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.5538.0> References: <<1997Nov21.4442.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Connie Jewell wrote: > > I have to cut some Mirror glass, does this glass need to be treated > differently than any other glass to prevent the coating on the back from being > damaged? I know you have to seal the back before soldering mirror. Any tips or > info. on dealing with mirror glass would be appreciated. > Thanks > Jewell > jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have a bunch of mirror tips on my page http://www.geocities.com/paris/1141 in the tips section... but anyway, mirror is cut like normal glass (on the glass side). you don't want to grind it, otherwise it could blacken quicker. you can use mirror spray, spray polyurethane could probably also work. nail polish i hear does a good job, you nned to coat the edges and part of the back. but it's a pain to apply neatly. and don't use too much flux. generally it's the flux that does it, but i mainly think it's the grinding. my first box is over 15 years old, used a mirror, tons of flux, lots of heat, and bad foiling. and there is no blackening. i made a mirror, and within 2-4 months time, it had sections of a 1/2" deep, because i ground it. and also watch for scratches on the back of the mirror. flux can creep into these and destroy the silver as well. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:09:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:08:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.5633.0> References: <<1997Nov21.42623.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk mindwarp wrote: > > Tperri@mssb.net wrote: > > > > Hi All! > > > > I am new to stained glass, the internet, and to this group. I have > > learned so much already from all your great input. I am from Toronto, > > Canada. It's a wonderful place with excellent stained glass stores. > > I am also rather new to the group.... more of a lurker and learner... > with an occasional post... > > I'm from Pittsburgh, PA > > Sandi > ;-) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass although it says it on my bio, i'll say it here to. location: Westfield, New Jersey. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:28:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:27:46 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Homosote board Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov21.52711.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-21 04:12:02 EST, you write: > Anyway, what it's used for in > the building trade is not important. Herb, I just thought if I was more educated in what Homosote is I might be able to get someone to help me locate it. deb SE TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:30:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:29:57 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DMR74 From: DMR74@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gargoyles Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:29:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov21.52948.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Betty, I almost deleted that e-mail before opening because of the subject line. Please but something a little more discriptive in subject line for those of us that sort junk mail out before opening anything. :) deb SE TX ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:39:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:39:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaley From: "Suzanne Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re[2]: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 07:35:55 -0800 Message-ID: <9711218801.AA880126574@sf-mail.mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Since she is your friend and the $20 will cover the cost of the glass, my suggestion is take it. NEXT TIME--agree upfront. Suzanne Haley Location: Santa Rosa, CA (50 files north of San Francisco) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Sun catcher prices Author: at Internet Date: 11/21/97 9:58 AM Jerri M Roey wrote: > > I haven't been to a craft show in quite a while, and I'm a > hobbiest with no plans of trying to turn this into an income right now, > but can someone give me an idea of what to charge for a suncatcher. I > was really doing this as a favor for a friend (it's to be a gift for her > mom). It was that frog that everyone gave me so much helpful information > on the inside curves. It was 12 pieces, not the easiest darn light > catcher, but it came out looking really good. It seems like from what I > remember seeing, people wouldn't pay more than $10 or $15 for something > anyway, and that's why you see the really simple things out there. Well, > I was going to just ask for the cost of materials and barter some > babysitting time (which is worth more to me than money), but my friend > insisted on paying me $20. Does this seem reasonable? I don't think I > like doing business with friends because I feel like I'm taking > advantage, but I did put some time into this little frog. > > Obviously not a good businesswoman, > > Jerri > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that sounds ok to me. that's something i would have charged. my guess it was probably easier to her to give you 20 bucks, instead of baby sitting :). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 07:59:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:58:38 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gargoyles Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:56:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.55650.0> References: <<1997Nov21.52948.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk DMR74@aol.com wrote: > > Betty, > I almost deleted that e-mail before opening because of the subject line. > Please but something a little more discriptive in subject line for those of > us that sort junk mail out before opening anything. :) > deb > SE TX > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i must have missed the message too. if you need gargoyle pictures, get the toscano catalog. http://www.aaweb.com/toscano/ they may have something. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: Over 40 new stained glass links, Tips: How To Set Up A Shop, and My adventures with the Aliens. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 08:19:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:19:03 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: city-net.com!dany From: "Daniela Birkelbach" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199711211611.LAA16855@dns.city-net.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone! I am a newbie as well (just about a year in Stained Glass) and live in Pittsburgh, PA. (Bethel Park). Born in Cologne, Germany. I put a couple of my projects onto my webpage below. Check it out!. http://www.city-net.com/~dany/pictures.html#sunflower I am enjoying this list very much! Thanks to everyone! Dany Daniela Birkelbach Software Consultant dany@city-net.com http://www.city-net.com/~dany *********************************************************************** "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 08:31:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:29:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:29:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.62924.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Some of the more complex suncatchers I make, like those with more than 5 pieces, or ones with difficult-to-cut pieces, I price at $25 - $30. For custom suncatchers (like a rooster I recently did), I charged $30. I charge $30 for a turtle suncatcher that has 15 pieces. I charge $20 for an angel blowing a trumpet suncatcher, and always run out of these. These are all copper foiled pieces, fully finished including patina on most of them. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, North Wales, PA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 09:19:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:18:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained Glass Web Sites-HELP! Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:18:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov21.7182.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HELP!!! I tried to access web site: http://www.tintorettoglass.com to take a look at a company in Venice Italy. Doesnt seem retrievable...could I pls. get the address verified? desparate to see if I can arrange a tour, etc. while in italy next week? can anyone help? Thanks much! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 10:05:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:04:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.75844.0> References: <<1997Nov18.1674.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks Mike. Well, actually she wanted to babysit too, but since she paid me, I don't feel like I can ask. Our kids play together frequently, and we often help each other out, so she thought she'd be taking advantage if she "paid me in babysitting". I guess it's one of those things where we both don't want the other to think one's taking advantage. Funny how I had no trouble telling another neighbor, who's more of an acquaintance than a friend, that I'd make her some garden stones, but not for less than $40 each. I think this other neighbor was trying to get a "deal" and I didn't really care if she wanted them or not. Jerri in the (usually) sunny south-----GA. > >that sounds ok to me. that's something i would have charged. my guess >it >was probably easier to her to give you 20 bucks, instead of baby >sitting >:). > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 10:06:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:04:18 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:52:07 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.7527.0> References: <<9711218801.AA880126574@sf-mail.mfi.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good Point. I'm sure I'll do that next time. I just wasn't sure how much time it would take, so I didn't want to do that. Jerri On Fri, 21 Nov 97 07:35:55 -0800 "Suzanne Haley" writes: > > Since she is your friend and the $20 will cover the cost of the >glass, > my suggestion is take it. NEXT TIME--agree upfront. > Suzanne Haley > Location: Santa Rosa, CA (50 files north of San Francisco) > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 10:36:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:35:01 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Sun catcher prices Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 11:34:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Nov21.75844.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Thanks Mike. Well, actually she wanted to babysit too, but since she > paid me, I don't feel like I can ask. Our kids play together frequently, > and we often help each other out, so she thought she'd be taking > advantage if she "paid me in babysitting". I guess it's one of those > things where we both don't want the other to think one's taking > advantage. Funny how I had no trouble telling another neighbor, who's > more of an acquaintance than a friend, that I'd make her some garden > stones, but not for less than $40 each. I think this other neighbor was > trying to get a "deal" and I didn't really care if she wanted them or > not. > > Jerri > in the (usually) sunny south-----GA. don't underestimate what your art can get you. i've used trading glass with home contractors a lot; from electrical and plumbing, to remodeling my kitchen cabinets, to even an artist to paint a mural on the side of my house. you have to come up with an mutually agreeable trade though; you can trade off just hours with each paying the other's materials to the whole project. uncle sam doesn't like this because, at least now, it can't easily get its' fingers into the agreement. charlie --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 10:55:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:54:22 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tillamook.k12.or.us!SteveM From: Steve Matthies To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: Stained Glass Web Sites-HELP! -Reply Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:53:30 -0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk The correct address is http://www.tintorettoglass.it not.com hope it works for you, as I can get through fine. Steve Matthies North Coast Glassworks Tillamook, Oregon >>> 11/21/97 09:18am >>> HELP!!! I tried to access web site: http://www.tintorettoglass.com to take a look at a company in Venice Italy. Doesnt seem retrievable...could I pls. get the address verified? desparate to see if I can arrange a tour, etc. while in italy next week? can anyone help? Thanks much! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 11:33:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:31:26 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ssimicro.com!xkellych From: KC To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re:Location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:32:07 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.19971121123207.40176b42@smtp.ssimicro.com> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, welcome to the list. Are there any good stained glass supplies stores in Markham/Scarborough area? I will be going down to Toronto in Dec. and hoping to get some supplies. Thanks in advance. Kelly Yellowknife, NT Canada At 08:48 PM 11/20/97 EDT, you wrote: >I am new to stained glass, the internet, and to this group. I have >learned so much already from all your great input. I am from Toronto, >Canada. It's a wonderful place with excellent stained glass stores. > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 11:34:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:33:10 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:28:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.192814.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thought I'd join in - Sam and I are in the south of England in Bournemouth (on the mainland west of the Isle of Wight which is the diamond shaped island at about the middle of the south coast) We've been in stained glass for about 19 years starting as a hobby for Sam to get him out from under my feet. ;) Now we have a retail shop for supplies with a studio out back where we do commissioned work, mainly traditional leaded and stained glass and sandblasted glass engraving, and we run courses in both leaded windows and copper foil & solder techniques. At present I am teaching 4 evenings at local schools. But I still try to find time to keep our web site updated and read all the interesting (and the not so) messages from the group. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 11:34:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:33:20 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: stainedglass.co.uk!studio From: "studio@stainedglass.co.uk" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained Glass Web Sites-HELP! Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Nov21.19286.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 12:18 21/11/97 -0500, Margaret41 wrote: >HELP!!! I tried to access web site: http://www.tintorettoglass.com to take >a look at a company in Venice Italy. Doesnt seem retrievable...could I pls. >get the address verified? Hi, Margaret - it's http://www.tintorettoglass.it (not com) - all non USA sites have letter coding for each country unless they are using AOL or one of the other US companies to access the net. Good luck - wish we could join you. Elizabeth Bournemouth Stained Glass http://www.stainedglass.co.uk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 11:56:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:55:53 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Margaret41 From: Margaret41@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Stained Glass Web Sites-HELP! Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:55:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Nov21.95545.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-11-21 14:30:39 EST, Margaret41@AOL.com writes: Please ignore the attached mailitem i previously sent. user error!!!! as we say in the technology business. << glass@bungi.com >> --------------------- Forwarded message: From: Margaret41@AOL.com Reply-to: glass@bungi.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: 97-11-21 14:30:39 EST HELP!!! I tried to access web site: http://www.tintorettoglass.com to take a look at a company in Venice Italy. Doesnt seem retrievable...could I pls. get the address verified? desparate to see if I can arrange a tour, etc. while in italy next week? can anyone help? Thanks much! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 12:26:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:25:41 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Filigree for Miniature Stained Glass Houses Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 14:28:22 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov21.222822.0> References: <<199711211055.KAA00317@jackel.demon.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, Thank you for your instructions on making filigrees. They were excellent= . But, I have a few more questions because of my complete and total lack= of knowledge in this area: Can this process be done using another type of metal???? From messages I have read on bungi in the past, my understanding is that it's darn near impossible to patina brass with adequate results. Would = some sort of sheets or cooper or tin work? Anyone have any ideas on wher= e you would buy sheets? Hardware stores??? Where do you purchase ferric chloride? Photography supply store, hardwar= e supply store, electronic supply warehouses? Also, my local Radio Shack had no idea what a Decon Dalo resist pen is? = Is this something most electronic stores would carry? Could I cover the front with the tape as well and just x-acto knife out = the intricate detail that I would want dissolved away? Like I said, I'm completely clueless on this and really appreciate the = help. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 12:31:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:29:58 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nwu.edu!alansing From: Amy Lansing To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: location Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:28:24 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971121142824.00754a04@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm new to the group, but have gotten a lot of great tips on how to make a lamp base more stable for a stained glass shade and on where to locate frames for stained glass room dividers. I'm a displaced Texan currently living in Chicago (Displaced by 5 years in Chicago, 2 years in New York, 1 year in South Africa & a year in Denmark). I'm going to be moving in 6 months depending on where I get my residency (AZ, FL, VA, NC, NY, TX, OK, or CA). Soon, I'll be asking about stained glass resources in whatever town/state I wind up in. Thanks to everyone for such GREAT information! Amy Amy Lansing Deputy Project Coordinator Psycho-Legal Studies Northwestern University Medical School 710 N. Lake Shore Drive, Suite #900 Chicago, IL 60611 Office: (312) 503-3500 FAX: (312) 503-3535 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 12:31:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:31:00 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Subject: Re: Filigree for Miniature Stained Glass Houses Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 14:33:47 PST Message-ID: <1997Nov21.223347.0> References: <<1997Nov20.101041.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria, Thank you for your suggestion to use the copper foil sheets. I was worried about if they would stick to the glass adequately over time, especially when they were dusted or cleaned. Have you had any problems with it wanting to come off? I know that some time back on the group someone suggested putting the glass piece on a damp washcloth when doing designs with a lot of solder so that the glass won't heat to the point of cracking. I suppose that is what I would need to do in this instance, wouldn't I? Thanks for the help, Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Nov 21 14:13:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:11:59 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mssb.net!Tperri From: Tperri@mssb.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: glass cutters Date: 21 Nov 1997 17:16:02 EDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all again!! I'm new to stained glass and started using a regular glass cutter, which is shaped like a pen. I find it difficult to hold and cut with. Someone recommended a pistol grip glass cutter. I tried using it and it seemed to be quite easy to use. I haven't purchased one yet and would like to get some tips, advise or comments about the pistol grip cutter. Thanking you in advance for your assistance. Tiffanie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: g

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