From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 03:34:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 03:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Slim Pickings Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 06:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul1.23312.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for the info that there were 20+ messages sent this weekend on the bungi line. Not quite the # I received. I too was at the trade show in Baltimore but only from Wednesday thru Friday and came home "gung-ho" ready for more discussions on glass. I was sorry that I could not have stayed for Saturday too. Eleanor Eureka! Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 06:09:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 06:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: classes Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:01:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970630025644.251f7146@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who wrote about classes..... I am saving and printing out each and every one, so that I can peruse them again! I am not sure I made myself clear to all, so will repeat a few salient points, to see if anyone, particularly all the people who were gone over the weekend, have anything to add. 1. the classes are supposed to run 4 hours a day 5 days..... is this enough time to finish a small project? Could people work more hours without becoming tired? 2. Considering that people will fly down here, and stay in a hotel, while attending classes, what do people think about 2 weeks of classes? Again 4 hours a day for 10 days (weekend in between) That way we could have several days to go outside into the woods (nearby) and draw, bring the drawings in and refine them into a stained glass pattern, and then put said pattern into reality.... again... do people think that there might be interest? and is this a doable goal? My son did a 9 piece mirror.... nice but all triangles etc.. the woman in charge of the courses says that is the sort of thing she would expect as the outcome from the week of begginers classes.... I had thought of something more complicated.... what is the usual project for this sort of thing? How much time does it take.... I may be expecting way to much! I would still like to hear more from people who have taken classes what they particularly loved or hated!!! I found the most perfect glass for the jaguar in the Noah's ark... a yellowish opaqueish glass with dark blotches? spots? all over it! That is the only thing that I don't like about the glass store in town... they don't label the glass at all....I think the guy who sells it half the time doesn't know either... so I never know what it is I am buying... Thanks again, Cheers, Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 06:35:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 06:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Wet/Dry Mini-saw by Fairdeer Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:32:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.53224.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Page 68 of the summer issue of Glass Patterns Quarterly has an ad for a = mini table saw made by Fairdeer Trade Company. The thing is no larger = than an open hand. Does anyone know anything about it? I have on rare = occasion needed a saw but don't want to spend big bucks for an = use. Linda Campbell Suffolk, Virginia ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 07:37:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: classes Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.62838.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970630025644.251f7146@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > Thanks to all of you who wrote about classes..... I am saving and printing > out each and every one, so that I can peruse them again! I am not sure I > made myself clear to all, so will repeat a few salient points, to see if > anyone, particularly all the people who were gone over the weekend, have > anything to add. > > 1. the classes are supposed to run 4 hours a day 5 days..... is this enough > time to finish a small project? Could people work more hours without > becoming tired? > > 2. Considering that people will fly down here, and stay in a hotel, while > attending classes, what do people think about 2 weeks of classes? Again 4 > hours a day for 10 days (weekend in between) That way we could have several > days to go outside into the woods (nearby) and draw, bring the drawings in > and refine them into a stained glass pattern, and then put said pattern into > reality.... again... do people think that there might be interest? and is > this a doable goal? > the only main problem i see with people flying down there is this: what would be so special that people would have to fly down to learn stained glass. like in some places, people would fly to special place to learn about hot glass. in which it would be a learning intensive course. i really can't imagine people spending several hundred dollars on a plane ticket, just so they can build a small mirror. or make sketches of trees. chances are you would be better off, making the class as long as possible, with a short week. altough it is alot to learn in a week, i think people would want to do that, instead of not getting paid for a week in their job. the only thing i can think of is to teach, say, a relative or a friend of yours, with the curriculum you were planning to use. then see if they can learn stained glass. but you would have to teach someone who really wants to learn, (the learning curve would be higher). in other cases i can see people flying in, to learn from a true master. like say, Tiffany were alive today, and was teaching classes; i bet alot of people would go to him, maybe even from across the world. > My son did a 9 piece mirror.... nice but all triangles etc.. the woman in > charge of the courses says that is the sort of thing she would expect as the > outcome from the week of begginers classes.... I had thought of something > more complicated.... what is the usual project for this sort of thing? How > much time does it take.... I may be expecting way to much! the project should be simple, yet go into any home. straight lines are easier than curved lines. i would make up several patterns, some with curves, some with lines, some with a mix. giving them a choice. > I would still like to hear more from people who have taken classes what they > particularly loved or hated!!! > > I found the most perfect glass for the jaguar in the Noah's ark... a > yellowish opaqueish glass with dark blotches? spots? all over it! it sounds like Chicago, is there and small milky (light), blotches anywhere on it? That is > the only thing that I don't like about the glass store in town... they don't > label the glass at all....I think the guy who sells it half the time doesn't > know either... so I never know what it is I am buying... > > Thanks again, Cheers, Meg > Richard and Meg LaVal ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 07:37:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Nice Job, Albert! Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:34:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.63416.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just took the time to click and browse the IGGA website and did I ever = have a good time. Nicely done, Albert. I apologize for not have looked = sooner. I'll be back frequently now.=20 Linda Campbell Suffolk, Virginia=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 07:57:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: leestat7 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul1.04929.0> References: <<1997Jun30.14358.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: What is the major difference in the Diamond Max and the Diamond Max Bevel machine? I understand one can be converted to the other and vice-versa. PJ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 08:07:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: boffo.com!barb From: "Barbara A. Roman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: cutting rippled stipple Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:07:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.7728.0> References: <<1997Jun26.151154.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Boffo Games, Inc. Precedence: bulk Just wanted to thank PJ, Mike, and Christie for the advice on cutting the rippled stipple glass. I'm looking forward to finishing my lamp! -Barb barb@boffo.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 11:53:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: animal colored glass Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: <18491494611070@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: M. Savad > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: classes > Date: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 7:28 AM > > Richard LaVal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I don't know who wrote this, but someone wrote: > > > I found the most perfect glass for the jaguar in the Noah's ark... a > > yellowish opaqueish glass with dark blotches? spots? all over it! > > it sounds like Chicago, is there and small milky (light), blotches > anywhere on it? > > > That is > > the only thing that I don't like about the glass store in town... they don't > > label the glass at all....I think the guy who sells it half the time doesn't > > know either... so I never know what it is I am buying... > > > > Thanks again, Cheers, Meg > > Richard and Meg LaVal > > I live in Oregon and we have a retail store in Portland called Cline's. I'm working on a bobcat and chervil and never thought I would fine glass anywhere close to them. Well I did at Cline's. I'm new to this media and I don't pay attention very well, but I remember the clerk telling me that a particular company was very good at matching animal colors. For instance they had the perfect irish setter red. Anyway if you want to give them a call, their phone # is 1-800-547-8417. Good Luck Shirley B. > > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 14:20:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 14:18:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.131350.0> References: <<1997Jul1.04929.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Hi Everyone: What is the major difference in the Diamond Max and the > Diamond Max Bevel machine? I understand one can be converted to the other > and vice-versa. > > PJ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass from what i can tell from my bevelmax: the bevel max comes with different lap grits. it also has a bevel guide and drip feed. the other one has a platform, and a small grinder head (i think). ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 15:10:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!JJH727 From: JJH727@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Atlas Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul1.14837.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Where did you come accross the pattern for the privie; I'd love to make one. JJH ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 15:26:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: classes Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:19:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199707012224.XAA27580@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Meg (and other budding stained glass tutors) I had a feeling, Meg, that you were partly having a shot in my direction... I'm sorry I have been so quiet recently and not pulled my weight in the Group. Reason: "Money" and "Time". So I have gone into "lurking mode". My private e-mail post-box is beginning to bust in the seams with replies I owe other people. As they say in UK, I am currently working like a "demented haddock" to get the monies in to pay the bills. I WILL have an input, that I hope will be constructive to you (and others). As you know, I also care very deeply about TEACHING stained glass, and I do have the experience of the odd year or so of doing this. There has already been a lot opf constructive comments and suggestions, all of which I have "filed" and will review in my reply. Please bear with me and a hopelessly "slow" European. I do feel guilty. Elisabeth 'n Toby Meg wrote: Thanks to all of you who wrote about classes..... I am saving and printing out each and every one, so that I can peruse them again! I am not sure I made myself clear to all, so will repeat a few salient points, to see if anyone, particularly all the people who were gone over the weekend, have anything to add. 1. the classes are supposed to run 4 hours a day 5 days..... is this enough time to finish a small project? Could people work more hours without becoming tired? 2. Considering that people will fly down here, and stay in a hotel, while attending classes, what do people think about 2 weeks of classes? Again 4 hours a day for 10 days (weekend in between) That way we could have several days to go outside into the woods (nearby) and draw, bring the drawings in and refine them into a stained glass pattern, and then put said pattern into reality.... again... do people think that there might be interest? and is this a doable goal? My son did a 9 piece mirror.... nice but all triangles etc.. the woman in charge of the courses says that is the sort of thing she would expect as the outcome from the week of begginers classes.... I had thought of something more complicated.... what is the usual project for this sort of thing? How much time does it take.... I may be expecting way to much! I would still like to hear more from people who have taken classes what they particularly loved or hated!!! I found the most perfect glass for the jaguar in the Noah's ark... a yellowish opaqueish glass with dark blotches? spots? all over it! That is the only thing that I don't like about the glass store in town... they don't label the glass at all....I think the guy who sells it half the time doesn't know either... so I never know what it is I am buying... ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 15:27:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Wet/Dry Mini-saw by Fairdeer Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 18:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970701182346.0069dae4@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:32 AM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >Page 68 of the summer issue of Glass Patterns Quarterly has an ad for a = >mini table saw made by Fairdeer Trade Company. The thing is no larger = >than an open hand. Does anyone know anything about it? I have on rare = >occasion needed a saw but don't want to spend big bucks for an = > use. I have a mini saw similar to the one in the ad, but it is not that one. (I have a Jarmac). It also has a miter guide or a straight guide, so that you get more accurate cuts. Mine cost me quite a bit wholesale, but was well worth the investment. However, I still think it would be more costly than the average occasional use tool. The problem I have with such a small saw, is one of space. I try to use a small saw in a small space, and the 6 ft zinc sometimes is WAY too long for the room I'm working in. But that's a problem with the owner, not the machine! Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 16:22:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Nice Job, Albert! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: <199707012320.TAA02707@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I just took the time to click and browse the IGGA website and did I ever = > have a good time. Nicely done, Albert. I apologize for not have looked = > sooner. I'll be back frequently now.=20 Thanks for the kind words, Linda. Now I'll have to make changes and add new stuff more often. Pressure, pressure. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 18:40:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: ringsaw Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:33:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.173331.0> References: <<1997Jul1.14837.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good price? ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 19:13:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ringsaw Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:12:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199707020210.VAA15002@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: "M. Savad" > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: ringsaw > Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:33:31 -0400 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good > price? > > ---Mike Savad > Mike this place on the net called Stained Glass Bargains is advertising them for $355 + shipping... Dunno how good a price that is... Anyway thier place is at http://www.stainedglass-bargains.com Hope this helps... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 20:04:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: flapper patterns Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:59:32 -0700 Message-ID: <03020838400413@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A friend of mine is looking for flapper patterns, you know ladies of the 1920's.Any suggestions. Thanks Shirley B. at Balloch@netbridge.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 1 22:10:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "NC Scouter" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 01:02:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul1.1822.0> References: <<199707020210.VAA15002@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Precedence: bulk byronw@cyberramp.net wrote: > > > From: "M. Savad" > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: ringsaw > > Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:33:31 -0400 > > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good > > price? > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > Mike this place on the net called Stained Glass Bargains is > advertising them for $355 + shipping... Dunno how good a price that > is... Anyway thier place is at http://www.stainedglass-bargains.com > > Hope this helps... > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks Houston Stained Glass Supply's wholesale (dealer) price is $296... Their web address is http://hsgs.com/ Valerie Tydings Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. Wanchese, NC -- ________ "But we have this treasure | | "Blessed are the censors in jars of clay..." ( ) for they shall ( ) inhibit the earth!" 2cor4.7niv (________) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 04:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 04:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , "'JJH727@aol.com'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Glass Atlas Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:46:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.34618.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Pattern and glass kit from Whittmore-Durgin. I'ts not in their catalog = but has been advertised in back issues (December 96) of Glass Patterns = Quarterly. The kit is about $11.00. and the pattern cannot be bought = separately. Music box is about $4.00. But the WD folks are nice to deal = with. Replacement glass (amber opal) runs about $8.00 for enough to make = the privy so you are only paying $3.00 for the pattern. Not a bad deal. = I've gotten several orders for them, mostly from men. Linda ---------- Where did you come accross the pattern for the privie; I'd love to make = one. JJH ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 05:23:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 05:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: wbkq.com!dmcclain From: Donna McClain To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Flapper Patterns Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:22:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.12228.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Wilkinson, Barker, Knauer and Quinn -- info@wbkq.com Precedence: bulk I have had success in adapting Erte drawings for patterns. You might try this. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 06:27:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:20:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970630054519.258f0f7c@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Jerri, Elizabeth and Mike; Mike, you comment on your doubts as to whether people will come all the way down here to learn stained glass.... my comment exactly to Sybil...(the organizer) so we shall see if anyone signs up.... in the mean time I have to have my ducks in a row... just in case! She wants to turn this place into a famous (at least summer) place to study the arts ... which will take several years.. also it probably means that alot of the people who come are interested in Monteverde, and secondarily the art (we have 50.000 tourists a year) sigh! She wants to get in with Elderhostel. I have already asked one friend if she would like to make something.... Elizabeth, DON"T feel guilty!!! The course doesn't start till next july ('98) I am just fishing for feedback... but of course I would be very interested in anything you have to say.... whenever you have time! Jerri...I wish I had a web page, but I don't. Am looking around to see what I can do about it... in the long term... am not very active!!! I wish there were a way we all could exchange scanned images by email, without messing everyone up! Meanwhile, if you want to come visit! :) Cheers, Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 06:41:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul2.53859.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We carry the Taurus II Ring Saw at what I think is a good price! It retails for $399. If you are interested in wholesale, contact me and I'll get an application out to you and we can discuss wholesale pricing. Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 06:55:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 06:55:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: p085.aone.net.au!allcrafts From: Melanie Dunstan To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: flapper patterns Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 20:03:48 +0800 Message-ID: <1997Jul3.4348.0> References: <<03020838400413@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Allcrafts Goods & Services Precedence: bulk Haven't got any patterns for you but what about contacting Dover books they have (or had) some books by Erte which have some delightful drawings in that wouldn't be very difficult to adapt to patterns... Regards Melanie in Perth ------------ Josh Balloch wrote: > > A friend of mine is looking for flapper patterns, you know ladies of the > 1920's.Any suggestions. > Thanks Shirley B. at Balloch@netbridge.net > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 07:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:08:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 10:03:43 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.6343.0> References: <<199707020210.VAA15002@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk byronw@cyberramp.net wrote: > > > From: "M. Savad" > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: ringsaw > > Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:33:31 -0400 > > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good > > price? > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > Mike this place on the net called Stained Glass Bargains is > advertising them for $355 + shipping... Dunno how good a price that > is... Anyway thier place is at http://www.stainedglass-bargains.com > > Hope this helps... > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that is a lower price than i've seen. i'll have to try the link later, as it is'nt working currently...thanks ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 07:16:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 10:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.61010.0> References: <<1997Jul1.1822.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk NC Scouter wrote: > > byronw@cyberramp.net wrote: > > > > > From: "M. Savad" > > > To: glass@bungi.com > > > Subject: ringsaw > > > Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:33:31 -0400 > > > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > > > > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good > > > price? > > > > > > ---Mike Savad > > > > > Mike this place on the net called Stained Glass Bargains is > > advertising them for $355 + shipping... Dunno how good a price that > > is... Anyway thier place is at http://www.stainedglass-bargains.com > > > > Hope this helps... > > > > Byron... > > > > Wells Glassworks > > Houston Stained Glass Supply's wholesale (dealer) price is $296... Their > web address is http://hsgs.com/ > > Valerie Tydings Phelps > Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. > Wanchese, NC > -- ________ > "But we have this treasure | | "Blessed are the > censors > in jars of clay..." ( ) for they > shall > ( ) inhibit > the earth!" > 2cor4.7niv (________) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well so far that's the lowest price. do you or anyone know if i can order direct from them? i know their wholesale, though i was able to get a catalog from them once before. but so far i'll put them on the top of my list...thanks ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 07:32:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 07:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 09:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.42610.0> References: <<1997Jul1.173331.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good > price? Mike... I can't remember the quote, but Warner-Crivellaro gave me the best price to date. I would definitely inquire with them. LJ ________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" Over The Rainbow Web Page Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 08:17:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 11:11:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.71152.0> References: <<1997Jul2.42610.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LJ Maas wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good > > price? > > Mike... > I can't remember the quote, but Warner-Crivellaro gave me the best price > to date. I would definitely inquire with them. > LJ > ________________________________________________________ > LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com > ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design > > "unique creations in stained glass" > > Over The Rainbow Web Page Design & Consulting > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass so far it looks like i'll be buying from them. houston has the best price, but only if i pay wholesale, and if i bought it from someone on the group; the cost of shipping would equal to retail (little by little). i may be even be able to pick it up in person. since this summer, (end of july) i'll be going to PA and one of the stops (either coming or going), i'm going to stop in and stock up... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 08:22:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: 2 Jul 1997 11:19:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.71944.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE>>ringsaw 7/2/97 M. Savad wrote: > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good price? Does anyone have a preference or opinon on "bandsaw" vs."ring saw"? Which would be better, which would be the one to have if you could only afford to have one? Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 08:50:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Verbal Kint To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 11:46:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.44629.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970630054519.258f0f7c@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Usual Suspects Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > I wish there were a way we all could exchange scanned images by > email, > without messing everyone up! Meanwhile, if you want to come visit! :) > > Cheers, Meg You CAN send images by email without messing EVERYONE up. If you send it to one or X individual id's, it's up to the recipient to decode. If you send it to the whole MAILING LIST, that's were the complaints start rolling in. IMHO, if you have something to share, poll the list, and send it ONLY to those who respond with a positive request. P.S thanks for the invite, but I'll have to decline. I can't manage to get to Jones Beach, which is 15 minutes from my home. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 14:34:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 17:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul2.132723.0> References: <<1997Jul2.71944.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Connie Jewell wrote: > > RE>>ringsaw 7/2/97 > > M. Savad wrote: > > > does anyone here know a good catalog that has the ringsaw for a good price? > > Does anyone have a preference or opinon on "bandsaw" vs."ring saw"? Which > would be better, which would be the one to have if you could only afford to > have one? > > Jewell > jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, i'm going with the ringsaw. mainly because it can cut in any direction, making it much faster. currently i have a bandsaw, and would rather have a ringsaw. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 17:42:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 17:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!Randolphs4 From: Randolphs4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bungi.com/: host not found) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul2.164117.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: Randolphs4@aol.com Date: 97-07-02 20:31:23 EDT The original message was received at Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- glass-request@bungi.com/ (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 glass-request@bungi.com/... Host unknown (Name server: bungi.com/: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Randolphs4@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA29950 for glass-request@bungi.com/; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Randolphs4@aol.com Message-ID: <970702091754_846852509@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: glass-request@bungi.com/ Subject: advice please Hi! everyone, I have a unique problem I'd like to throw out to you, I build and install stained glass windows, my problem is arched windows, what kind of stops can be used to compliment existing edgework....the stained glass is framed with 1/2in. or 1/4in. zinc came, the existing window has a double pane thermal glass with wooden stops so well glazed in that it is impossible to remove (which would be ideal), all wooden 1/4round moulding I have tried will not bend an the angle needed. Can anyone help?Thank you.......... Tammy ---Glasscrafters Memphis, Tn. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 20:41:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: arched windows Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:40:27 -0700 Message-ID: <199707030340.UAA20557@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have a unique problem I'd like to throw out to you, I build and install >stained glass windows, my problem is arched windows, what kind of stops can >be used to compliment existing edgework....the stained glass is framed with >1/2in. or 1/4in. zinc came, the existing window has a double pane thermal >glass with wooden stops so well glazed in that it is impossible to remove >(which would be ideal), all wooden 1/4round moulding I have tried will not >bend an the angle needed. Can anyone help?Thank you.......... Tammy, for arches and curved windows, I use the plastic clips which fit over the came and allow you to screw into the frame at any angle. It also allows the owner to take the glass with them when they move. Good luck Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 2 23:50:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 23:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 02:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul2.224931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have only been doing stained glass for a short while but I bought a Diamond Max and like it. I wasn't as thrilled with the lack of instructions on how to assemble and use it but I do like how this machine works. If you have no experience with grinders, then I'd suggest another because of that lack, but if you have used them at a class or have a reasonable knowledge of how they're supposed to go together, then you would probably like this one. I haven't used the straight edge yet myself but I like how easy it is to use compared to the ones I tried out during 7 weeks of class use. I bought the deluxe package with the foot pedal and I especially LOVE how much simpler that makes it to use. No more flipping the switch on-off-on-off. Just step on it and it goes. Walk away and it stops. Simple enough! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 00:41:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 00:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: flapper patterns Thanks Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 00:36:23 -0700 Message-ID: <07384806601738@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Melanie Dunstan > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: flapper patterns > Date: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 5:03 AM > > Haven't got any patterns for you but what about contacting Dover books > they have (or had) some books by Erte which have some delightful > drawings in that wouldn't be very difficult to adapt to patterns... > Regards Melanie in Perth > ------------ > > Thank you for the tip, I'll pass it along to my friend (he doesn't have a computer, but I'm working on him). And thanks to Donna too. I appreciate the help. > > > > ---- > > > > > ---- > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 05:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 05:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: arched windows Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 07:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul3.23716.0> References: <<199707030340.UAA20557@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > Tammy, for arches and curved windows, I use the plastic clips which > fit over > the came and allow you to screw into the frame at any angle. It also > allows > the owner to take the glass with them when they move. Carol...Do you have a supplier of those plastic clips? I have been unable to obtain them locally since moving to Oklahoma. I have to admit I haven't checked thru the mail order suppliers yet. LJ ________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" Over The Rainbow Web Page Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 05:42:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!Randolphs4 From: Randolphs4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: bungi.com/: host not found) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul3.44134.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: From: Randolphs4@aol.com Reply-to: glass@bungi.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: 97-07-03 08:26:31 EDT --------------------- Forwarded message: From: MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem) To: Randolphs4@aol.com Date: 97-07-02 20:31:23 EDT The original message was received at Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- glass-request@bungi.com/ (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 glass-request@bungi.com/... Host unknown (Name server: bungi.com/: host not found) ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: Randolphs4@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id JAA29950 for glass-request@bungi.com/; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Randolphs4@aol.com Message-ID: <970702091754_846852509@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: glass-request@bungi.com/ Subject: advice please Hi! everyone, I have a unique problem I'd like to throw out to you, I build and install stained glass windows, my problem is arched windows, what kind of stops can be used to compliment existing edgework....the stained glass is framed with 1/2in. or 1/4in. zinc came, the existing window has a double pane thermal glass with wooden stops so well glazed in that it is impossible to remove (which would be ideal), all wooden 1/4round moulding I have tried will not bend an the angle needed. Can anyone help?Thank you.......... Tammy ---Glasscrafters Memphis, Tn. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 06:06:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 06:05:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Thu, 3 Jul 97 09:04:10 -0400 Message-ID: <9707030904.AA25854@LL.MIT.EDU> References: <<1997Jul2.132723.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk With the ringsaw, its blade being curved, rather than a bandsaw, its blade being straight, won't this affect the accuracy of cuts when cutting many layers of glass simultaneously? The error would seem to be significant. I've never used either, but am seriously considering a bandsaw over a ringsaw in spite of the good things I've heard about the ringsaw, because I plan to do much cutting of many layers simultaneously. -- David Cogen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 06:42:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 06:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul3.54129.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For what it is worth, Jack just gave me the July sale information (which will be on the website this afternoon), and the ring saw will be on sale through July for $350. Replacement parts are on special as well, check the website for more details! Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 07:45:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 07:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: arched windows Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 07:44:39 -0700 Message-ID: <199707031444.HAA26274@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Carol...Do you have a supplier of those plastic clips? I have been >unable to obtain them locally since moving to Oklahoma. I have to admit >I haven't checked thru the mail order suppliers yet. >LJ Hi LJ...I'm fortunate to be able to get them from my local store. I was at NW art glass a few weeks ago (Seattle) and noticed they had them. Their phone number is 1-800-888-9444. I'll bet that Meredith Stained Glass and W/C also have them and I know they're on this list...maybe they'll let you know if they're in stock. Carol ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 07:51:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 07:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: Verbal Kint To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: arched windows Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 10:48:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul3.3484.0> References: <<199707030340.UAA20557@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Usual Suspects Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > all wooden 1/4round moulding I have tried will not > >bend an the angle needed. Can anyone help?Thank you.......... > Wood will bend quite easily, and I can think of two ways to do it. If the final finish is clear, you can steam the wood. The best way to acomplish would be to build a jig with the matching curve, steam the wood an clamp until dry. The shape will hold best this way. You can then cut to size and install.Or if you steam it, and then bend and fasten it in place. There is a chance the wood will contract or warp. It would be best to tack it in place,let it dry, the final fit. If the trim is going to be painted, you can cut 'kerfs' on the side that will be the inner edge. This removes wood that would be compressed when you are trying to bend the trim. The kerfs should be narrow, and closely spaced, based on the radius of the curve. Crude attempt to illustrate follows: -------------------------------------------------------------- | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| When you bend the ends down and towards the middle, the kerfs close. If the kerfs are too far apart, the kerf will close, and the wood not cut will remain straight. This method doesnt create a 'true' curve, but a lot of straight sections that looks like a curve, cuz the wood between the kerfs doesn't truly bend. Anyway, this will leave spaces that will have to be filled with wood filler, sanded smooth, and painted, as the kerfs don't close completely. If you don't have access to a table saw, you may need to work out some arrangement with a wood worker. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 08:30:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 08:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul3.72346.0> References: <<9707030904.AA25854@LL.MIT.EDU>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk David Cogen wrote: > > With the ringsaw, its blade being curved, rather than a bandsaw, its blade > being straight, won't this affect the accuracy of cuts when cutting many layers > of glass simultaneously? The error would seem to be significant. I've never > used either, but am seriously considering a bandsaw over a ringsaw in spite of > the good things I've heard about the ringsaw, because I plan to do much cutting > of many layers simultaneously. > > -- David Cogen > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass hmmm, i never thought about that one. the curve should'nt be that bad, not extremly noticable. i suppose you could always experiment on one in a store, and compare the layers. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 11:21:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Arched windows Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul3.101853.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Tammy- We agree with shyguy that steaming the wood is the best choice, but here are some other possibilities to consider: 1. Laminate thin strips of wood (no more than 1/16 inch thick) to match the curve 2. Get rattan stops (sold by glass suppliers for frames) 3. Use rope of an appropriate diameter (sisal or any natural fiber will take stain very nicely) Your choice will depend on what looks and works best for the specific application. And, of course, there are always the customer's cost considerations. Good luck! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 Web site http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 11:50:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: flapper patterns Thanks Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:47:02 -0700 Message-ID: <18492955002684@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Josh Balloch > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: flapper patterns Thanks > Date: Thursday, July 03, 1997 12:36 AM > > > > ---------- > > From: Melanie Dunstan > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: flapper patterns > > Date: Wednesday, July 02, 1997 5:03 AM > > > > Haven't got any patterns for you but what about contacting Dover books > > they have (or had) some books by Erte which have some delightful > > drawings in that wouldn't be very difficult to adapt to patterns... > > Regards Melanie in Perth > > ------------ > > > > Thank you for the tip, I'll pass it along to my friend (he doesn't have > a computer, but I'm working on him). And thanks to Donna too. I > appreciate the help. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 12:09:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: David Cogen Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul3.5228.0> References: <<9707030904.AA25854@LL.MIT.EDU>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi David: You plan to do a many layer cutting of glass simultaneously? Strongly suggest you try a demo before you make your purchase. Guess it depends on the type of bandsaw you get but I have not seen one that will permit this because of the restricted housing. PJ from CA ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 14:29:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 1997 Daarwin Award Winner-Just for fun-from the ArtMetal list- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 17:24:41 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul3.132441.0> References: <<1997Jul3.5228.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk DARWIN AWARD WINNER FOR 1997 ANNOUNCED The 1995 winner was the fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on top of him as he was attempting to tip a free soda out of it. In 1996 the winner was an air force sergeant who attached a jet engine (JATO) unit to his car and crashed into a cliff several hundred feet above the road. And now, the 1997 winner:: Larry Waters of Los Angeles - one of the few Darwin winners to survive his award-winning accomplishment. Larry's boyhood dream was to fly. When he graduated from high school, he joined the Air Force in hopes of becoming a pilot. Unfortunately, poor eyesight disqualified him. When he was finally discharged, he had to satisfy himself with watching jets fly over his backyard. One day, Larry, had a bright idea. He decided to fly. He went to the local Army-Navy surplus store and purchased 45 weather balloons and several tanks of helium. The weather balloons, when fully inflated, would measure more than four feet across. Back home, Larry securely strapped the balloons to his sturdy lawn chair. He anchored the chair to the bumper of his jeep and inflated the balloons with the helium. He climbed on for a test while it was still only a few feet above the ground. Satisfied it would work, Larry packed several sandwiches and a six-pack of Miller Lite, loaded his pellet gun (figuring he could pop a few balloons when it was time to descend), and went back to the floating lawn chair. He tied himself in along with his pellet gun and provisions. Larry's plan was to lazily float up to a height of about 30 feet above his back yard after severing the anchor, and in a few hours come back down. Things didn't quite work out that way. When he cut the cord anchoring the lawn chair to his jeep, he didn't float lazily up to 30 or so feet. Instead he streaked into the L.A. sky as if shot from a cannon. He didn't level of at 30 feet, nor did he level off at 100 feet. After climbing and climbing, he leveled off at 11,000 feet. At that height he couldn't risk shooting any of the balloons, lest he unbalance the load and really find himself in trouble. So he stayed there, drifting, cold and frightened, for more than 14 hours. Then he really got in trouble. He found himself drifting into the primary approach corridor of Los Angeles International Airport! A United pilot first spotted Larry. He radioed the tower and described passing a guy in a lawn chair with a gun. Radar confirmed the existence of an object floating 11,000 feet above the airport. LAX emergency procedures swung into full alert and a helicopter was dispatched to investigate. LAX is right on the ocean. Night was falling and the offshore breeze began to flow. It carried Larry out to sea with the helicopter in hot pursuit. Several miles out, the helicopter caught up with Larry. Once the crew determined that Larry was not dangerous, they attempted to close in for a rescue, but the draft from the blades would push Larry away whenever they neared. Finally, the helicopter ascended to a position several hundred feet above Larry and lowered a rescue line. Larry snagged the line and was hauled back to shore. The difficult maneuver was flawlessly executed by the helicopter crew. As soon as Larry was hauled to earth, he was arrested by waiting members of the LAPD for violating LAX airspace. As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover the daring rescue asked why he had done it. Larry stopped, turned and replied nonchalantly, "A man can't just sit around." Let's hear it for Larry Waters, the 1997 Darwin Award Winner. Truly a different kind of UFO- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 3 21:16:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 21:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: ringsaw Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 00:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul3.201510.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a TaurusII ringsaw and believe that although you can cut layers it does say that it will limit the life of the blade. I really don't believe that it is made for cutting multiple layers on a continual basis and I think that after the second or third layer that the pattern would distort because of the curve of the blade. Although I have a very early model band saw it is so slow that I can't imagine it being what you are looking for. I do like that the Taurus II is easy to assemble and put the blade on while my band saw adjusts with great difficulty. Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 4 14:24:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 14:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 1997 Darwin Award Winner-Just for fun-from the ArtMetal Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 17:20:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970704172044.006afb64@pop.bridge.net> References: <<1997Jul3.5228.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was amused at this story and am glad you posted it, Lee! Thanks! I also wondered whether this might be another of those urban legends, so I checked out the Darwin Home Page: http://www.shsu.edu/~stdelr01/darwin/ and found this: "Many of you are probably wondering about this year's so-called winner. Well, I hate to inform you, but he's not. He's not for several reasons: 1.He didn't die. This is the most important. The award specifically calls for someone who has removed themselves from the gene pool in a rather stupid manner. While strapping yourself to a chair attached to 45 weather balloons is stupid, he didn't die. 2.This incident happened quite some time ago. Sorry, I can't award a 1997 award to a fool in 1982! 3.There are no specifications or date that I can find over his actual suicide that occurred several years after his stunt." The stories of the "real" nominees for 1997 are quite amusing, too. Thanks again. Cheers, M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 4 16:11:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 16:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: 1997 Darwin Award Winner-Now Mars Pics too Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 19:07:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul4.15734.0> References: <<3.0.1.32.19970704172044.006afb64@pop.bridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks M J, It was such a funny story, I sent it on without checking up on it. It did dawn on me it might be a fiction story, but funny anyway. Can you imagine the United Pilot trying to get the control tower to believe he really saw a man in a lawn chair under weather ballons at 11,000 feet. ???? Bet he sure took a razzzzinng. Anyway- glad you posted the real Darwin award home site, I'll go take a look. Just in case anyone is on line- here is the NASA Mars Pathfinder live video link. You have to keep trying, about 40-50 mil. people are trying to get on, but with all the mirror sites around the world, pick on that is in the middle of the night. Cool pics. http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/mars/default.html this has a link to mirror sites-imagine live pictures from Mars on the 4th of July!!! Way cooooool!!! Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations M.-J. Taylor wrote: > > I was amused at this story and am glad you posted it, Lee! Thanks! > > I also wondered whether this might be another of those urban legends, so I > checked out the Darwin Home Page: > > http://www.shsu.edu/~stdelr01/darwin/ > > and found this: > > "Many of you are probably wondering about this year's so-called winner. > Well, I hate to inform you, but he's not. He's not for several reasons: > > 1.He didn't die. This is the most important. The award specifically > calls for someone who has removed themselves from the gene pool in a rather > stupid manner. While strapping yourself to a chair attached to 45 weather > balloons is stupid, he didn't die. > 2.This incident happened quite some time ago. Sorry, I can't award a > 1997 award to a fool in 1982! > 3.There are no specifications or date that I can find over his actual > suicide that occurred several years after his stunt." > > The stories of the "real" nominees for 1997 are quite amusing, too. > > Thanks again. > > Cheers, > > M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 5 19:45:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 19:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 19:40:54 -0700 Message-ID: <02432931607244@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Anyone know the answer or is it up to the individuals definition? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 5 19:46:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 19:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Slim pickings Date: Sat, 5 Jul 97 22:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: <199707060242.WAA11952@uz.comcat.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dani and everyone, Finally getting around to answer your mail of 6/30. How did the 14-foot Feng Shui window go? I would love to see a picture of it. What design did you settle on? How did your clients like it? You're one up on me about the right and wrong side of float glass. I don't even know what float glass is! Talk about feeling "stupid". Maybe someone will enlighten me. I'm working on a kitchen cabinet, my first (after 10 years of glass work). Apples. Then I roll into an abstract design with lots of small clear jewels inserted into iridized black and clear baroque, with a pink rose inserted on the lower part. Then after that some picture frames. That's the paying work. For fun I'm about to learn mosaics with a student. We will learn together and both of us will be making a round wall hanging. I plan on doing a sun for my downstairs bathroom and she has her own sun/moon design to work out. Plus a couple more new students this month. That should keep me hopping in this dreadfully hot and muggy month here in Pennsylvania. Best wishes, Suzanne Suzanne Albright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 5 20:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: classes Date: Sat, 5 Jul 97 23:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <199707060308.XAA12745@uz.comcat.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Meg, Here's my 2 cents worth on classes, a little late but you know what they say... > >1. the classes are supposed to run 4 hours a day 5 days..... is this enough >time to finish a small project? Could people work more hours without >becoming tired? IMHO 20 hours should be plenty of time for your students to finish a small project. Four hours is probably enough for one session at a time, though. >2. Considering that people will fly down here, and stay in a hotel, while >attending classes, what do people think about 2 weeks of classes? Again 4 >hours a day for 10 days (weekend in between) That way we could have several >days to go outside into the woods (nearby) and draw, bring the drawings in >and refine them into a stained glass pattern, and then put said pattern into >reality.... again... do people think that there might be interest? and is >this a doable goal? I think this is doable goal but perhaps the drawing part should be an option. You could have some simple patterns for those who are intimidated by drawing. >My son did a 9 piece mirror.... nice but all triangles etc.. the woman in >charge of the courses says that is the sort of thing she would expect as the >outcome from the week of begginers classes.... I had thought of something >more complicated.... what is the usual project for this sort of thing? How >much time does it take.... I may be expecting way to much! I give my beginners a choice from several books of simple patterns, generally 30 or 40 pieces maximum with a nice mix of subject matter. Usually they finish it up in about 12-15 hours. Although I advertise classes as 2 hours, in most cases they run 2-1/2 or 3 if I have the free time. However I teach one-on-one. >I would still like to hear more from people who have taken classes what they >particularly loved or hated!!! My first class was a rigid 6-session course, paid in advance. I didn't have time to finish soldering and attaching the zinc came, so had to "wing" it. As a result I have learned much on my own, not really such a bad thing...I didn't like taking classes with so many others and waiting such a long time for personal attention. I fell in love with almost everything about stained glass. I fell hard! I am still in love! I think of you often down there in Costa Rica and wonder how it is for you. Can you tell us more about life in C.R.? My husband has been told the business economy is good and has been playing around with the idea of maybe starting something there. I have my doubts. Any input on that? We have friends who went there about 2 months ago. It took about a week for a fax to get through. Is everybody there that "laid back"? Best wishes, Suzanne Suzanne Albright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 5 20:12:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: ComCAT.COM!suzy From: suzanne albright To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Sat, 5 Jul 97 23:14:19 -0400 Message-ID: <199707060311.XAA12838@uz.comcat.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh, We had that question recently on the Bungi line and I think we decided it's both an art and a craft. Technically probably a craft but the designing and glass selection is definitely an "art". Best wishes, Suzanne Albright ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 5 20:17:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 20:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 22:20:05 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Jul5.22205.0> References: <<02432931607244@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > Anyone know the answer or is it up to the individuals definition? Depends on if the piece is any good or not. Hilary, occasional artist ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 07:09:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 07:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!BettyTBoop From: BettyTBoop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 10:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul6.675.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My interpretation is that it is an art. The actual meaning of stained glass is glass that is painted (Stained). This requires an artist to paint it. The craft is the leaded glass placed in lead caming. For anyone who has done it, it also is an art, requiring much dexterity and knowledge. If you think Tiffanys' work is not art then I would have to disagree. Bettytboop@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 09:12:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: mindspring.com!cford From: "len alcamo" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: arched windows Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: <199707061610.LAA11540@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > >I have a unique problem I'd like to throw out to you, I build and install > >stained glass windows, my problem is arched windows, what kind of stops can > >be used to compliment existing edgework....the stained glass is framed with > >1/2in. or 1/4in. zinc came, the existing window has a double pane thermal > >glass with wooden stops so well glazed in that it is impossible to remove > >(which would be ideal), all wooden 1/4round moulding I have tried will not > >bend an the angle needed. Can anyone help?Thank you.......... I also find it frustrating when you can't use the factory stops to get a properly finished look. Most of the factory stops use a thin staple or nail that is shot in pnuematically and are DN impossible to remove, but if you want to take a chance, and it is risky, you can use a nail set and hammer the staple completely through the stop I have done this on a couple of occasions on windows with multiple curves in visible locations,it was scary though! once the fasteners are pushed through, the stops can be removed with some effort. Another option not mentioned is to use extruded foam trim the kind that has wood grain plastic finish in various styles. It's available at any building center it's cheap and very easy to bend into a tight radius as long as do it in warm temps I have used it often and it holds up well and looks decent Good Luck Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 11:27:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:26:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 14:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul6.102113.0> References: <<02432931607244@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh Balloch wrote: > > Anyone know the answer or is it up to the individuals definition? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think we covered that subject about a month ago, you would have to check the archives. i think we decided it was a bit of both, depending on how you do it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 12:15:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!AlexG2 From: AlexG2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Kayak/Canoe patterns Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul6.11154.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'll looking for any good kayak or canoe patterns. I'd like to make a suncatcher as a gift for some hardworking members of our local paddling club, Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Alex Gacic ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 12:52:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!LByrne21 From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Help on etching Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul6.115155.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Have a dremel tool which I use for engraving on stained glass projects. I DO NOT use water when engraving, as I cannot see my design while working, using water. However, the dremel heats up quickly so that I have to stop periodically in order for it to cool down. The dremel has never stopped on it own because of over-heating....but..the cord gets HOT so I stop before (I assume) this would happen. How does one engrave over a pattern, if using water, when the water obliterates the engraving? Any help greatly appreciated. Lavergne (A LONG TIME lurker enjoying the bungi group immensly; thru thick and thin, thru calm and controversy - it's all a great learning experience.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 15:28:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:28:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Privy Music Box Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 17:08:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199707062228.RAA06496@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all... A week or 2 ago someone was looking for a glass outhouse/privy?? I just got a flyer from Whittemore-Durgin and it has them in there.. Thay are item # 0602... Privy funpack includes glass,pattern,hardware and music box for $17.95.... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 15:49:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 15:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help on etching Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:44:24 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul6.144424.0> References: <<1997Jul6.115155.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LByrne21@aol.com wrote: > > Have a dremel tool which I use for engraving on stained glass projects. I > DO NOT use water when engraving, as I cannot see my design while working, > using water. However, the dremel heats up quickly so that I have to stop > periodically in order for it to cool down. The dremel has never stopped on > it own because of over-heating....but..the cord gets HOT so I stop before (I > assume) this would happen. How does one engrave over a pattern, if using > water, when the water obliterates the engraving? Any help greatly > appreciated. > > Lavergne (A LONG TIME lurker enjoying the bungi group > immensly; > thru thick and thin, thru calm and > controversy - it's all a > great learning experience.) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my guess would have to be to find a water proof marker. maybe alot of cold air on the surface could help. the water also prevents you from sucking in the glass dust. the cord getting hot should'nt be too bad, it sounds like the dremel has the wrong gauge wire. but if it came that way, i guess it's ok. though i would contact dremel, and ask them the same question. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 16:54:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 16:53:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help on etching Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul6.155325.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Lavergne, I've been looking into doing some of this type of etching too and to start with, I don't think anyone takes the hazard of the glass dust seriously including some of of the product manufacturers. So I hope you are wearing a good mask and I'd like to hear from anyone who knows the proper type of mask to use. I understand your problem with the water making it hard to see the pattern and I'm not sure if you draw your design on or if you tape it on the back. If you draw it on, you might try using a wax pencil called a "china marker" that stays on pretty well or if you use a glass marking pen cover it with chap stick and it makes it stay on longer. I think you might be on the verge of burning out your motor if the cord keeps getting that hot. You might look into a tool that is in the current Glass Patterns Quarterly called a turbo carver. They send you a brochure if you inquire. I thought it was reasonabley priced. Call Ultra Speed products at 1(503)622-4387. Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 16:54:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 16:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: netcom.ca!mfig From: "mikey friggy" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Help on etching Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:54:33 -0400 Message-ID: <199707062354.TAA01753@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Don't worry about not seeing your design because you don't use water. You won't be able to appreciate it anyway lying in the respiratory wing of your local hospital. Of all the hazards associated with stained glass, the breathing in of glass dust is perhaps the worst. ---------- From: LByrne21@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Help on etching Date: Sunday, July 06, 1997 3:51 PM Have a dremel tool which I use for engraving on stained glass projects. I DO NOT use water when engraving, as I cannot see my design while working, using water. However, the dremel heats up quickly so that I have to stop periodically in order for it to cool down. The dremel has never stopped on it own because of over-heating....but..the cord gets HOT so I stop before (I assume) this would happen. How does one engrave over a pattern, if using water, when the water obliterates the engraving? Any help greatly appreciated. Lavergne (A LONG TIME lurker enjoying the bungi group immensly; thru thick and thin, thru calm and controversy - it's all a great learning experience.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 6 20:28:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 20:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Kayak/Canoe patterns Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul6.192815.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would like to know where your Kayak group meets. I've just learned to paddle a Kayak and would love to do it more often.. I went to Ocean City NJ and was able to rent one and get some instructions. Since I am just getting started in Kayaking, I too would love to make a kayak suncatcher. Let me know where you find one. Thank you in advance. Bubstah@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 7 02:48:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 02:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-May-7) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Help on etching Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 05:56:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199707070948.FAA16769@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >How does one engrave over a pattern, if using > water, when the water obliterates the engraving? The engravers I've watched at work have cut a little, moved out of the water stream, wiped the surface they've been working on with a cloth, studied the design, then gone back to work. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Subscribe Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707092312.TAA11312@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please readd me to you list. Thank you. pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: mail Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:28:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul7.152854.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have heard others say they were no getting mail ..Is it happening to me? I'll know everything is ok if i get an answer to my own letter. Ha Ha Don DeVoto ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: somtel.com!rickym From: "Maria Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: This is a test Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:14:51 -0400 Message-ID: <199707091506.LAA25932@quint.somtel.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone, This is just a test. I haven't received any mail from the list in 2 days so I just wanted to check if everyone is just really busy or if somehow I got knocked off the list.... Thanks, Maria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: new computer test Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:04:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul7.1549.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A brand new computer since my crash last weekend...just testing everything out. Now I have to hit the archives and try to recover some info I wanted to keep. Thanks to those of you who offered to send me certain posts. LJ _____________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE, Stained Glass Design: "unique stained glass creations" Over The Rainbow Web Design & Consulting: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: worldnet.att.net!kern44 From: "Bob Kern" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Cleaning Stained glass windows Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:23:04 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul7.16234.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Can you please instruct me what the best way to clean an antique stained glass window. I just purchase a 31" X 51" Victorian style window that is about 100 years old and needs a good cleaning. Thanks in advance kern44@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Art Glass World Update Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707091933.PAA05143@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --Art Glass World Update-- New Members-- DichroMagic - State of the Art Dichroic Glass >From Austin Thin Films. This site is LOADED with information on ordering and the technical aspects of DichroMagic dichroic glass. Coming Soon: a NEW gallery of dichroic artwork and a section custom tailored to instruction on how to properly utilize dichroic glass, including sample project ideas. Visit by clicking on the banner on the AGW Billboard at http://www.artglassworld.com/wwwboard/index.html. Cliffside Studio - Publisher of original pattern designs for Prairie windows and lampshades as well as other stained glass projects. We publish books and offer individual lamp patterns. We also offer prairie frame bases and a brass rectangular vase cap. Visit http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/cliff for more product and order information. Great meeting some of our visitors at the AGSA trade show. Your positive comments and feedback were most appreciated. We've got lots of exciting new features planned and will continue to bring you the leaders in art glass. ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Lamp Parts Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:43:12 +0000 Message-ID: <199707072341.SAA02728@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all... Anyone have any wholesale lamp parts places they use?? At nearly $$9 for the Glass Design Sconce base they are a bit much for a cheap piece of plastic.. Thanks in advance! Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Thanks to those you were at AGSA!! Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707082333.TAA24021@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry I didn't send this sooner...........but have be overwhelmed with work!!!! Thanks to all of those you were able to get to AGSA and represent the IGGA!!! It is greatly appreciated. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria Drag <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Is everything alright Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul8.3387.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Just checking.. I have received no bungi correspondence since Monday,7/7 at 1:36 AM.. There are usually a few messages per day and I want to make sure that I am still a member of this News Group.. I very much enjoy all the help and information that this group provides..Again, if messages are going through and I am not receiving them, could you please resubmit my e mail address.. The address is 3hounds@usaor.net I am responding from my work address, so please submit it to the 3 hounds address. Thank you so much Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbistro.com!pom From: "J. Smith" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: No Messages???? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:27:56 -0700 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am going through message withdrawal......... Haven't had a bungi message for 2 whole days now.... What has happened???? pom@netbistro.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Interesting reading on Properties of Glass Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:34:54 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul8.113454.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- http://www.weburbia.com/physics/glass.html http://www.weburbia.com/physics/glass.html Linda Campbell ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Did I get removed??? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707082329.TAA23611@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just testing to see if I got removed from the list???? If I receive this I didn't............if I don't I did???? pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Fine Art And Craft Festival!!! Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707082322.TAA22986@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Historic Haddonfield New Jersey will play host to over 225 of the nations finest artists and craftspeople on July 12th from 11am to 6pm and July 13th from 12n to 5pm. This festival is the premier Southern New Jersey event. Anyone online that is planning on attending.......................I will be there ..........., not as an artist because I am sorta in charge......................stop by and say hello. Just ask at the information center and they will tell you where I am. Hope some of you can get out for this festival it is truly a great weekend. !!! My best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: another test Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 14:12:44 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul8.91244.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk this time from netscape mail.... ________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" Over The Rainbow Web Page Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:53:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: free spectrum patterns Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <13234094100169@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you are new to the net as I am. This info is for you. Spectrum has currently 54 free suncatcher type patterns at http://www.spectrumglass.com/Patterns8.html which they tell you how to download and then you can print each one up to 8X11 1/2. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 17:54:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbistro.com!pom From: "J. Smith" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Beveled Pressed Flowers Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have been pressing flowers and making the beveled suncatchers.... I am however a bit worried about the flowers fading rapidly(as they do hang in a sunny window)! Any ideas on how to treat the dried flowers to keep them from fading?? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 19:15:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: footswitch slides around Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970707162631.006ad010@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all! I am in the middle of a wonderful project, and I have been using my grinder a whole lot. I have attached an Inland footswitch, which I love and it is working great except for one thing. My footswitch walks. Has anyone come up with a novel idea to keep the footswitch in place? I'm thinking that a simple rubber pad would do, but I was looking for a nicer looking idea if possible. My footswitch right now already has little rubber feet, but obviously they aren't enough. I have linoleum on my floor. Thanks in advance. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 19:39:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: dlr From: dlr (Dave Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: testing Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Testing - please ignore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 19:50:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: walking foot switch Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 22:48:10 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul9.184810.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce, Have put a little velcro under my foot switch and it stays just where I set the other piece. If you want to move the unit however try some carpet tape rolled up underneath , then you won't need to stick the other piece of velcro to your floor. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 20:24:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: new computer test Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul9.17202.0> References: <<1997Jul7.1549.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would like to know if you are from Tulsa,my son is with Marriott (feeding the public schools) My name is Don DeVoto,his is Larry On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:04:09 -0500 artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) writes: >A brand new computer since my crash last weekend...just testing >everything out. Now I have to hit the archives and try to recover some >info I wanted to keep. Thanks to those of you who offered to send me >certain posts. >LJ >_____________________________________________________________ >LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com >ART WITH ATTITUDE, Stained Glass Design: > >"unique stained glass creations" > >Over The Rainbow Web Design & Consulting: > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 20:35:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: bungi.com!dlr From: bungi.com!dlr To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 17:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is a test post to the glass list, please ignore. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 21:17:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike & Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Tendonitis Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:12:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970710041258.006722ec@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Help! I was mixing cement for several large stepping stones and my arm got pretty sore. By the next day I was miserable. The doc says tendonitis (tennis elbow). I'm doing the Alleve and Tennis Elbow splint thing. My problem is that I have several more stepping stone classes coming up to teach and I need something to mix the cement in. A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and saw a plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in, put the lid on and just roll it. At the time I'm thinking what a waste of money ($16.00 or so) when you could just stir the cement. I'm hoping someone else gets my same catalogs in the mail and can tell me where to get one of those cement mixer containers. Sixteen dollars sounds pretty cheap to me now especially with the classes coming up in Aug & Sept and a class of 40 women for a looonnnggg weekend in October. I enjoy lurking on the bungi line and have thown in my two bits every once in a while. Thanks. Amy (The Glass Goddess) Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 9 22:19:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:56:38 -0700 Message-ID: <22184972803374@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to hear about your tendonitis. As an old nurse, I must tell you that for every time you use or abuse your elbow, it will take longer to heal. In other words, no cheating. ( We nurses die hard.) Are you familiar with Warner- Cirvello's chat line? They are at http://www.warner-criv.com/ Way at the bottom of their chat line Chris Jones owner Wiley's Stained glass wrote on 4/5/97 how they make their stones. Very good advice. She mentions using wallpaper paddle on a drill. I've had other construction guys tell me the same thing, but until I see it in action, I don't get it. It might be a way to save your elbow. I use a kid's shovel and a plastic wheelbarrow. It tolerates 90lbs of pre-mix real well and that's all my back will handle. Whoever invented wheelbarrows was a genius. You can use the leverage of the shape of wheelbarrow and shovel the cement around. It still kills your back, but it does save your elbows. Good luck and better fast. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:15:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!OGOrig From: OGOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.51415.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. We have tried the ODJOB mixer. It works ok but even better is a 5 gallon bucket and a "mud mixer" attachment for your drill. You can buy these at the Home Depot or probably any good hardware or home center store. This works great. We do a lot of stones and this makes mixing the cement a breeze. You can see much better about the amount of water in the mix. With the closed ODJOB you have to unscrew the lid to check. It will work but, it's just more inconvenient. Hope this helps. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:15:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: "stained glass" Subject: leaded glass question Date: 10 Jul 1997 09:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.51047.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm new to the list and also new to doing leaded glass. I have done a few small either square and rectangular panels. But I have a design for a sun catcher that I'm working on that is a circle. I have made this design using copper foil on the inside and a border of U shaped sun catcher lead came on the outside. But now I want to try and do the entire piece in 1/8" lead came. So my question is, how does one do a leaded glass piece that is a circle? I'm confused about how to accomplish this since because of the shape the traditional plywood board with a right angle corner method won't work like it does for a square or rectangle. Any idea? I have considering using a wooden embroidery hoop or routing the correct size circle out of a 3/4" plywood so the the piece could be built in the recessed circle. I'm open to any and all suggestions. Thanks!!!!! Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:20:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707101320.JAA23552@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Your wrote, >> >> >We asked for exhibit space in our local library run by the Art Council. >They refused on the basis that stained glass is a craft and not an art. > >They exhibit some very excellent and bad local art, jewelery, scupture, >etc. Some members of our group have won a number of local awards for skill >and original designs but they were not impressed. Draw your own conclusions. >---- >Ask the library people what section Tiffany books are in...ask them where to find Chagall and also ask is Matisse is an artist???? I could go on but don't................this is really one of my pet peeves. BTW where are you??? I would write the Art Council................you happen to pay taxes and probably their salary. Don't get me started...Wish I had more time...if I can help next week I should sort of be back to normal. Things like this need to be changed!!!!! my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:27:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaly From: "Suzanne Haley" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 06:12:10 PST Message-ID: <9706108685.AA868540969@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good morning, At Home Depot they have a mixer for around $25.00. Makes one 24" stepping stone. Made of plastic...about the size of a small/medium beer keg. Top screws off, pour in mix and water...close. Turn on side and roll around...ingredients mix quickly. You might look for a used $100.00 cement mixer. Otherwise Home Depot and Home Base have them for appox $199.00 (without motor). Then you could always rent one. Good luck. Suzanne Haley shaley@mfi.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Tendonitis Author: glass@bungi.com at Internet Date: 7/9/97 9:25 PM Help! I was mixing cement for several large stepping stones and my arm got pretty sore. By the next day I was miserable. The doc says tendonitis (tennis elbow). I'm doing the Alleve and Tennis Elbow splint thing. My problem is that I have several more stepping stone classes coming up to teach and I need something to mix the cement in. A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and saw a plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in, put the lid on and just roll it. At the time I'm thinking what a waste of money ($16.00 or so) when you could just stir the cement. I'm hoping someone else gets my same catalogs in the mail and can tell me where to get one of those cement mixer containers. Sixteen dollars sounds pretty cheap to me now especially with the classes coming up in Aug & Sept and a class of 40 women for a looonnnggg weekend in October. I enjoy lurking on the bungi line and have thown in my two bits every once in a while. Thanks. Amy (The Glass Goddess) Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:33:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.53231.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Amy, Sorry to hear about the tendonitis. Delphi has that llittle cement mixer you asked about but it's a lot more than $16.00. If I remember correctly, it's close to $40.00. Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:35:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: footswitch slides around Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.53451.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce, You may want to call a few fabric shops because there is already a device made for eliminating the walking foot pedal. It's been happening with sewing machine pedals for years and though I can't remember the name of the pad, I know it already exists. If you can't get a hold of one, I'll try to find my Clothilde catalog (for sewers) because I KNOW they've got one! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 06:48:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:47:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.34734.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19970710041258.006722ec@mail.techline.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hi Amy and All, These containers are available through "Worms Way" organic gardening catalog and I have seen them in the large home improvements stores (like Home Depot, Builders Square and Lowe's). Good Luck!! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. Amy Murphy wrote: > A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and > saw a > plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 07:06:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:05:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Did I get removed??? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:00:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.6032.0> References: <<199707082329.TAA23611@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk pj friend wrote: > > Just testing to see if I got removed from the list???? > > If I receive this I didn't............if I don't I did???? > > pj > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it was on the list itself, know you'll have to see if you got it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 07:07:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:02:18 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.6218.0> References: <<199707072207.SAA00613@detroit.freenet.org>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sue Becker wrote: > > > > >Anyone know the answer or is it up to the individuals definition? > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > We asked for exhibit space in our local library run by the Art Council. > They refused on the basis that stained glass is a craft and not an art. > > They exhibit some very excellent and bad local art, jewelery, scupture, > etc. Some members of our group have won a number of local awards for skill > and original designs but they were not impressed. Draw your own conclusions. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass my conclusion is that the people at that library are morons. they probably never seen the full spectrum of stained glass out there. they probably only seen the cheap stuff at the craft shows. i'm curious what they consider art. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 07:10:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:09:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: mail Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.6440.0> References: <<1997Jul9.43819.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk eldondo1@juno.com wrote: > > Please send me something, i have upgraded my systems and voila!!! no > mail. Thanks Don DeVoto > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i got the mail (bungi), but since your on juno, it should'nt really be effected by anything in your account... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 07:13:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.6733.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19970710041258.006722ec@mail.techline.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike & Amy Murphy wrote: > > Help! I was mixing cement for several large stepping stones and my arm got > pretty sore. By the next day I was miserable. The doc says tendonitis > (tennis elbow). I'm doing the Alleve and Tennis Elbow splint thing. My > problem is that I have several more stepping stone classes coming up to > teach and I need something to mix the cement in. > > A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and saw a > plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in, put the lid > on and just roll it. At the time I'm thinking what a waste of money ($16.00 > or so) when you could just stir the cement. I'm hoping someone else gets my > same catalogs in the mail and can tell me where to get one of those cement > mixer containers. Sixteen dollars sounds pretty cheap to me now especially > with the classes coming up in Aug & Sept and a class of 40 women for a > looonnnggg weekend in October. > > I enjoy lurking on the bungi line and have thown in my two bits every once > in a while. > Thanks. > Amy (The Glass Goddess) > Mike and Amy Murphy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass by now you can probably find it in any hardware store. as i understand it, they work really well. just make sure to wash them out when your done. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 08:11:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: CapAccess.org!rejones From: "Robert E. Jones" To: glasschic Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: footswitch slides around Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.71619.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970707162631.006ad010@mail.bright.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Try a mouse pad under the foot switch. I have mine on concrete and this works. Bob Jones rejones@capaccess.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 08:20:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: leaded glass question Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.51657.0> References: <<1997Jul10.51047.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Connie Jewell wrote: > So my question is, how does one do a leaded glass piece that is a > circle? I'm > confused about how to accomplish this since because of the shape the > traditional plywood board with a right angle corner method won't work > like it > does for a square or rectangle. Any idea? I have considering using a > wooden > embroidery hoop or routing the correct size circle out of a 3/4" > plywood so > the the piece could be built in the recessed circle. I'm open to any > and all > suggestions. Jewell...I don't currently do much lead work, but I used to have the plywood frame. It was a square piece of 1/2 inch plywood cut in half with a half circle cut out of each piece with a jigsaw. Since I do mostly copper foil work now I have two types of "frames" in various size circles. One is a square piece of cardboard matting with a circle cut out of the middle. The "frame" I like the best is a piece of foam board. It's very sturdy...it's basically cardboard with foam stuck to one side. You can find them in various sizes at craft stores like Michaels or Hobby Lobby. hope this helps some...LJ _____________________________________________________________ LJ Maas, artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE, Stained Glass Design: "unique stained glass creations" Over The Rainbow Web Design & Consulting: ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 11:14:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!RandC981 From: RandC981@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: mail Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.101325.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please take me off of your e-mail list. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 11:40:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stained glass store addresses nationwide Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:37:15 -0700 Message-ID: <11393992104955@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was surfing the net and found two separate groups that have inventories of stained glass supply stores, for each state. Of course I don't know how I found them and can't find them again. Does anyone know how to do this. I would like to add our local supplier to the list, here in beautiful Newport, Or. (Or-e-gun) No I don't own part of the business. I just want to keep him in business so I don't have to drive 50+ miles to get my supplies. Also is there such a list for wholesale companies? And is it possible, for a crafter/becoming an artist who only shows her work at craft shows (etc.) and occassional retail stores, to buy wholesale, since I don't keep regular hours and advertise in the phone book? Thanks for any info/advice in advance. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 12:51:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Tendonitis and concrete classes Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:50:45 -0700 Message-ID: <199707101950.MAA16424@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Amy, Sorry to hear about your arm. with the classes coming up in Aug & Sept and a class of 40 women for a >looonnnggg weekend in October. Amy, sorry to hear about your arm. With all that personpower at your workshops, why not divide them into groups of 4 or 5 and let each group mix its own concrete according to a recipe you provide. Harness all that power!!! and don't do it all yourself. Let everyone get down and dirty. Altnerately if you want to do one pour for 40 stones, rent a mixer for a day. Good luck Carol Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 13:11:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Stained glass store addresses nationwide Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707102010.QAA14541@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Manufacturers, Retailers and Studios are listed in the Art Glass World directory. There is also tons of other information on the site. Visit at http://www.artglassworld.com. The listing is a free service. Enjoy. Jennifer At 11:37 AM 7/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >I was surfing the net and found two separate groups that have inventories >of stained glass supply stores, for each state. Of course I don't know how >I found them and can't find them again. Does anyone know how to do this. >I would like to add our local supplier to the list, here in beautiful >Newport, Or. >(Or-e-gun) No I don't own part of the business. I just want to keep him >in business so I don't have to drive 50+ miles to get my supplies. >Also is there such a list for wholesale companies? And is it possible, for >a crafter/becoming an artist who only shows her work at craft shows (etc.) >and occassional retail stores, to buy wholesale, since I don't keep regular >hours and advertise in the phone book? >Thanks for any info/advice in advance. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 14:18:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:17:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: crl.com!slally From: Sean Lally To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Stained glass store addresses nationwide Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <<199707102010.QAA14541@ddi.digital.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Check out the Thomas Register. It used to be one had to go to the library reference section to get these volumes; but no more...they're on the web now! http://www.thomasregister.com:8000/index.html On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Jennifer Daniels wrote: > Manufacturers, Retailers and Studios are listed in the Art Glass World > directory. There is also tons of other information on the site. Visit at > http://www.artglassworld.com. The listing is a free service. Enjoy. > > Jennifer > > At 11:37 AM 7/10/97 -0700, you wrote: > >I was surfing the net and found two separate groups that have inventories > >of stained glass supply stores, for each state. Of course I don't know how > >I found them and can't find them again. Does anyone know how to do this. > >I would like to add our local supplier to the list, here in beautiful > >Newport, Or. > >(Or-e-gun) No I don't own part of the business. I just want to keep him > >in business so I don't have to drive 50+ miles to get my supplies. > >Also is there such a list for wholesale companies? And is it possible, for > >a crafter/becoming an artist who only shows her work at craft shows (etc.) > >and occassional retail stores, to buy wholesale, since I don't keep regular > >hours and advertise in the phone book? > >Thanks for any info/advice in advance. > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ================================================================ > Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net > Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com > 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 > Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 > ================================================================ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 15:40:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Not stained glass, but ... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:47:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199707102240.SAA16878@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I could use the help of anyone living in Wyoming, Nebraska and/or Oklahoma who's active on this list (call it a quid pro quo, since I try to be as helpful as I can be when I can). Believe it or not, I need a copy of the driving license manual from each of those states. Anyone up for that? If you are willing to drop by the Department of Motor Vehicles and pick up a manual and mail it to me, I'd gladly reimburse you the postage, etc. Okay, back to glass. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 16:03:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stained glass store addresses nationwide Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:10:31 +0000 Message-ID: <199707102303.TAA17471@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I was surfing the net and found two separate groups that have inventories > of stained glass supply stores, for each state. Try http://www.thestorefinder.com/ I think that's what you're looking for ... click on the state, get a list, right? The Guild has a pretty extensive directory to suppliers, too, although it's not click-on-a-state ... it's click-on-what-you-need. Address below: Sources Guide. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 16:59:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Tendonitis Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:00:35 +0000 Message-ID: <199707102358.SAA29097@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: Mike & Amy Murphy > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Tendonitis > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:12:58 -0700 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > Help! I was mixing cement for several large stepping stones and my arm got > pretty sore. By the next day I was miserable. The doc says tendonitis > (tennis elbow). I'm doing the Alleve and Tennis Elbow splint thing. My > problem is that I have several more stepping stone classes coming up to > teach and I need something to mix the cement in. > > A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and saw a > plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in, put the lid > on and just roll it. At the time I'm thinking what a waste of money ($16.00 > or so) when you could just stir the cement. I'm hoping someone else gets my > same catalogs in the mail and can tell me where to get one of those cement > mixer containers. Sixteen dollars sounds pretty cheap to me now especially > with the classes coming up in Aug & Sept and a class of 40 women for a > looonnnggg weekend in October. > > I enjoy lurking on the bungi line and have thown in my two bits every once > in a while. > Thanks. > Amy (The Glass Goddess) > Mike and Amy Murphy > Why dont you try one of those beater deals that goes in a drill? I used one a couple weeks ago to mix both the cement and grout for the new ceramic tile floor I'm doing in the house... They work great and NO tennis elbow! They run about $10 at Home Depot and other hardware places... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 17:41:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LVbeatnik From: LVbeatnik@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.164113.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk There are cement mixers that you roll on the ground with your foot available at Home Depot, etc. My uncle did a whole path of regular old cement stepping stones using one. They cost under $20 and are most likely the same thing that you saw in your catalogue. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 17:55:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Not stained glass, but ... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:54:13 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.165413.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Albert! Aren't you even going to share with your bungi friends WHY you want the drivers' license manuals from those three states? Okay, back to glass again!;-) Best regards, Dani Greer P.S. Really the purpose of this post is to check if my server has their mail formatting problems fixed - if so, I'll post the long-ago promised reading list which is rather long. = ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 17:57:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LVbeatnik From: LVbeatnik@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul10.165649.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have worked as a showing artist for a long time. I've exhibited paintings, prints, and photographs. Stained glass is a new medium for me, and one that I have to respect because one has to be both an artist AND a craftsman to work in it. Artistic choices have to be made regardless of what medium one works in. Stained glass demands a high level of craftsmanship as well. (Perhaps the answer to the question of "art or craft" lies in the intention of the artist.) Sure, I've seen little mass produced suncatchers that are more "craftsy" than "artsy", but when I look at a beautiful stained glass piece, I see the art first. Ask the Art Council who refused you the exhibit space where that library shelves the books on Tiffany. My guess is in the fine ARTs section! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 18:42:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Not stained glass, but ... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:37:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.17370.0> References: <<199707102240.SAA16878@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > I could use the help of anyone living in Wyoming, Nebraska and/or > Oklahoma who's active on this list (call it a quid pro quo, since I > try to be as helpful as I can be when I can). > > Believe it or not, I need a copy of the driving license manual from > each of those states. Anyone up for that? > > If you are willing to drop by the Department of Motor Vehicles and > pick up a manual and mail it to me, I'd gladly reimburse you the > postage, etc. > > Okay, back to glass. > > Albert Lewis > > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i wonder if you were to contact the DMV's online, that could work, providing they remembered to put the e-mail address there. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 21:21:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Reading List Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 00:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.201715.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All- Sorry it's been so long, but here's the book list - not complete by any means - please post any that are your favorites or that I missed going th= ru the piles on my desk: =46rom the group: "Design for Stained Glass" by Jennie French (publ.? and date?) **This boo= k has some very nice patterns and a good chapter on photographing your work= "Stained Glass Secrets" by ? publ.? and date? "Decorative Doorways Stained Glass Pattern Book" by Carolyn Relei "How to Work in Stained Glass" by Anita and Seymour Isenberg "Stained Glass Craft" "Line and Color Magic for Glass Design" by Kay Bain Weiner, Eastman, US, 1990 "Stained Glass" by Lynette Wrigley & Marc Gerstein, Quintet Publ., London= , 1994 "The Complete Stained Glass Course" by Lynette Wrigley & Marc Gerstein, Quintet, London, 1996 - **These last two books are good for beginners and= have some nice examples and excellent photography - very updated (you'll actually recognize the tools!) Magazines: Stained Glass News Glass Patterns Quarterly Common Ground:Glass (the IGGA "newsletter") Oldies but Goodies: "The Technique of Stained Glass" by Patrick Reyntiens, Watson-Guptill Publ., NY, 1967 "Making Stained Glass - A Handbook for the Amateur & Professional by Robe= rt & Gertrude Metcalf, McGraw-Hill, NY, 1972 "Stained Glass Primer-Vol.1" by Peter Mollica, Mollica Stained Glass Pres= s, CA, 1980 "Decorative Glass Processes" by Arthur Louis Duthie, Dover Publ., NY, 198= 2 "Stained Glass Patterns" by Joanne Nervo, Nervo Art Stained Glass, CA, 19= 74 History: "Stained Glass" by Lawrence/Seddon/Stephens, Crown Publ., NY, 1976 (if yo= u can only own one, get this one) "Stained Glass" by Patrick Reyntiens, Bulfinch Press, Boston, 1990 "Stained Glass in America" by John Gilbert Lloyd, Foundation Books, PA, 1963 "Stained Glass" by Alfred Werck, Nicholas L. Brown (Publ.), NY, 1922 "A Thousand Years of Stained Glass", by Catherine Brisac, Chartwell Books= , NJ, 1984 "Stained and Decorative Glass" by Elizabeth Morris, Chartwell Books, NJ, 1988 About Louis Comfort Tiffany: "Louis Comfort Tiffany" by Alistair Duncan, Harry N. Abrams, Inc., NY, 19= 92 "Tiffany Windows" by Alistair Duncan, Simon & Schuster, NY, 1980 "Masterworks of Louis Comfort Tiffany" by Duncan/Eidelberg/Harris, Abrada= le Press, NY, 1989 "Louis C. Tiffany - Rebel in Glass" by Robert Koch, Crown Publ., NY, 1964= "Louis C. Tiffany"s Art Glass" by Robert Koch, Crown Publ., NY, 1977 "The Art of Louis Comfort Tiffany" by Tessa Paul, Exeter Books, NY, 1987 " The 'Lost' Treasures of Louis Comfort Tiffany" by Hugh F. McKean, Doubleday & Co., NY, 1980 Alot of the books listed after the heading "Oldies but Goodies" are out o= f print, but you can get many (if not most) of them through Whitehouse-Books.com or through the IGGA library. Happy reading! Best regards, Dani Greer P.S. Could someone please post information on subscribing to the SGAA magazine? Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 21:52:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is stained glass an art or a craft? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:37:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.83716.0> References: <<1997Jul10.6218.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---Mike Savad wrote; my conclusion is that the people at that library are morons. they probably never seen the full spectrum of stained glass out there. they probably only seen the cheap stuff at the craft shows. i'm curious what they consider art. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I second that Mike! If Tiffany's work was craft and NOT art then DeVinci, and the rest of the others did not make art. I would pose this question to the library, food for thought. Melissa 8^) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 21:54:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:26:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul10.82638.0> References: <<1997Jul10.53231.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk SusieHUs@aol.com wrote: > Hi Amy, > > Sorry to hear about the tendonitis. Delphi has that llittle cement > mixer you > asked about but it's a lot more than $16.00. If I remember correctly, > it's > close to $40.00. > > Susie > ----~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just looked in the July/August Delphi catalog and it has what you are looking for. The discription says; Use the calibrated lid to easily measure water and cement for small quantities of mosaic concrete in a fraction of the time. After combining ingredients, screw lid onto rugged plastic barrel, tip on it's side and roll to mix - it's so easy. Ideal for mixing 20-60 lbs of concrete. Complete with instructions. #2000...$39.95 Sounds like a deal to me. I have already had a lateral extensor release in my right elbow. That put me out of work for 3 months with a lot of physical therapy so if you are having trouble with tendinitis don't do anything that will agrivate it. I only have around 75-80% of the strength I had before the operation. Good luck , hope this info helps... Melissa 8^) Hind sight is better to have before hand ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 22:10:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:41:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul9.144120.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19970710041258.006722ec@mail.techline.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike & Amy Murphy wrote: > Help! I was mixing cement for several large stepping stones and my arm > got > pretty sore. > A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and > saw a > plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in, put the > lid > on and just roll it. At the time I'm thinking what a waste of money > ($16.00 > or so) when you could just stir the cement. I'm hoping someone else > gets my > same catalogs in the mail and can tell me where to get one of those > cement > mixer containers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Mike and Amy, Have you tried a Home Depot or hardware store. Seems to me I saw something like that at a store. I'd try calling around while waiting for someone who might have got the same catalog as you. Anyway good luck! Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 10 22:10:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 22:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Did I get dropped? Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:45:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul9.14454.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Everyone who had a scare with not recieving any Bungi mail The last couple of days, I actually e-mailed Glenna on the bungi request address because I never put Bungi in my address book! It's there now by golly! Glad to hear it wasn't only my problem, it's nice to share with everyone! Melissa 8^) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 02:12:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:11:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Not stained glass, but ... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 05:19:02 +0000 Message-ID: <199707110911.FAA29061@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Aren't you even going to share with your bungi friends WHY you want the > drivers' license manuals from those three states? Okay, back to glass > again!;-) I support myself as a designer for print and the web ... one of my clients is a developer of reading comprehension tests (you know, those tests we all took in school?) and their new campaign is "Can your students read ... your state's driver's license manual?" (or "local newspaper?" or "popular magazines?"). Of course, they have to analyze the readability of the manuals' texts to compare that with fourth grade, eighth grade and eleventh grade textbooks. But it turns out that most driver's license manuals (for instance) are much more difficult to read than high school texts.. Same thing for newspapers, except the sports section. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 06:39:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 06:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria Drag <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tendonitis Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:41:44 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.54144.0> References: <<1.5.4.32.19970710041258.006722ec@mail.techline.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike & Amy Murphy wrote: > > Help! I was mixing cement for several large stepping stones and my arm got > pretty sore. By the next day I was miserable. The doc says tendonitis > (tennis elbow). I'm doing the Alleve and Tennis Elbow splint thing. My > problem is that I have several more stepping stone classes coming up to > teach and I need something to mix the cement in. > > A few months ago I was looking in some of my junk mail catalogs and saw a > plastic/rubber (?) container you mix your water and cement in, put the lid > on and just roll it. At the time I'm thinking what a waste of money ($16.00 > or so) when you could just stir the cement. I'm hoping someone else gets my > same catalogs in the mail and can tell me where to get one of those cement > mixer containers. Sixteen dollars sounds pretty cheap to me now especially > with the classes coming up in Aug & Sept and a class of 40 women for a > looonnnggg weekend in October. > > I enjoy lurking on the bungi line and have thown in my two bits every once > in a while. > Thanks. > Amy (The Glass Goddess) > Mike and Amy Murphy > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass If you can find one for around $16.. could you leave me know.. Delphi has one for just under $40.. and a Home Improvement Catalog also has it for $39.95. Thanks Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 07:29:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 07:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Not stained glass, but ... Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.6239.0> References: <<199707110911.FAA29061@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > Aren't you even going to share with your bungi friends WHY you want the > > drivers' license manuals from those three states? Okay, back to glass > > again!;-) > > I support myself as a designer for print and the web ... one of my > clients is a developer of reading comprehension tests (you know, > those tests we all took in school?) and their new campaign is "Can > your students read ... your state's driver's license manual?" (or > "local newspaper?" or "popular magazines?"). > > Of course, they have to analyze the readability of the manuals' texts > to compare that with fourth grade, eighth grade and eleventh grade > textbooks. But it turns out that most driver's license manuals (for > instance) are much more difficult to read than high school texts.. > > Same thing for newspapers, except the sports section. > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass just to get off the stained glas topic for a minute. as i understand it, either in New York, or New Jersey, they've simplied the drivers test (written), so much; that a third grader could pass it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 11:09:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tvutel.com!jandj From: "Jackie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Took advice from the experts! Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:46:32 -0600 Message-ID: <199707111810.NAA03250@perham> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk About 4 or 5 months ago,( you'll have to check the archives ) I asked for some advice on something to do with renovation of an antique 14 by 46 inch stained glass panel. I said that I was going to "COPPER FOIL IT THIS TIME".( a suggestion from my instructor ) And I was flooded with gasping and horrified responses from many of you that are much more qualified than I in this area. Mainly, Your responses were to lead the panel in order to keep with the original methods of the peice. Well I did alot of research and checked with local renovators and decided to do it the right way!!! It has been an experience so far and I am finished leading the piece and I would like to thank all of you who kept me on the straight and narrow. I have a question at this point! after I finish soldering the joints how on earth do I clean the flux off the panel before cementing. It is not stable enough to put in my bathtub and scrub (which is what I usually do with large panels) is it? I am probably asking an obvious question but I don't want to mess-up. Any pointers?? Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 13:14:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Took advice from the experts! Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:10:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.10103.0> References: <<199707111810.NAA03250@perham>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Don't bother Jackie it's not like foil I've been doing lead for 18 years and all i do is just wipe with a towel before i cement (you do know about that messy job,don't you)I know others will have some thoughts but that's my 2 cents worth .Best of luck, Don. On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:46:32 -0600 "Jackie" writes: >About 4 or 5 months ago,( you'll have to check the archives ) I asked >for >some advice on something to do with renovation of an antique 14 by 46 >inch >stained glass panel. I said that I was going to "COPPER FOIL IT THIS >TIME".( a suggestion from my instructor ) And I was flooded with >gasping >and horrified response >I in this area. Mainly, Your responses were to lead the panel in order >to >keep with the original methods of the peice. Well I did alot of >research >and checked with local renovators and decided to do it the right >way!!! > >It has been an experience so far and I am finished leading the piece >and I >would like to thank all of you who kept me on the straight and narrow. >I >have a question at this point! after I finish soldering the joints >how on >earth do I clean the flux off the panel before cementing. It is not >stable >enough to put in my bathtub and scrub (which is what I usually do with >large panels) is it? I am probably asking an obvious question but I >don't >want to mess-up. Any pointers?? > >Jackie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 15:14:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!PB231 From: PB231@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mail Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 18:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul11.141313.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please take me off T your E. mail list. Thank you pb132@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 16:34:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 16:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George & Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: "'bungians'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: re: Tendonitus Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:34:14 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.183414.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, This weekend, I am ready to pour my first 16 inch hexagon mosaic.. So = this last week I read the responses to the tendonitus that said they = have found a device that fits on the end of a drill to mix the cement. I = went to my local Busy Beaver Building Center and Supply store and they = have a mixer that only fits on a high power drill.. Is there another = model that fits on a regular household drill. I also have that problem = in my right arm and would like to have a tool that could help me. Thanks Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 17:37:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Diamond Max Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:38:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199707120036.TAA04181@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All.... Can I get some opinions on the Diamond Max grinder?? I'm looking for something I can bevel edges on glass for Sconce Lights.... The Diamond Max looks like what I want and at a reasonable price.. The bevels just dont come out very good with my Glastar regular grinder... Thanks in advance! Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 19:27:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: earthlink.net!dcans From: David Cansler To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:24:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.182446.0> References: <<199707120036.TAA04181@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello all, I find that I will not be able to get my e-mail for about a month. I really enjoy lurking here but I will never be able to download all my email when I get back. Please unsubscribe me. Good Luck and Good Health, David Cansler New Vision Team Member Life is too short to become involved in something that hurts others. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 22:12:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Took advice from the experts! Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970711221133.006adbd0@televar.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk During the summer months I place mine on the picnic table and do it outside. B. Clark At 04:46 PM 7/11/97 -0600, you wrote: >About 4 or 5 months ago,( you'll have to check the archives ) I asked for >some advice on something to do with renovation of an antique 14 by 46 inch >stained glass panel. I said that I was going to "COPPER FOIL IT THIS >TIME".( a suggestion from my instructor ) And I was flooded with gasping >and horrified responses from many of you that are much more qualified than >I in this area. Mainly, Your responses were to lead the panel in order to >keep with the original methods of the peice. Well I did alot of research >and checked with local renovators and decided to do it the right way!!! > >It has been an experience so far and I am finished leading the piece and I >would like to thank all of you who kept me on the straight and narrow. I >have a question at this point! after I finish soldering the joints how on >earth do I clean the flux off the panel before cementing. It is not stable >enough to put in my bathtub and scrub (which is what I usually do with >large panels) is it? I am probably asking an obvious question but I don't >want to mess-up. Any pointers?? > >Jackie >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 22:55:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!byerwood From: byerwood@juno.com (Kathy E. Wood) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wrong Side Of Float Glass Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 22:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.155528.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Byerwood Productions ArtWorks & Literary Kathy Wood/Candace Byers Hi everyone. My name is Kathy Wood and I have been lurking for months. I tried to get into the action but it turns out that my previous server has offensive third party spamming etiquette so I couldn't get through (and couldn't find out why for a long time). On the subject of painting on float (window) glass: In January of 1996 I took a one day glass painting workshop with Dan Fenton in Hayward CA. He explained that 'Gold Based' enamels (made with gold chloride) are unpredictable when applied to the wrong side of float glass. I don't have the definition of the 'wrong side' in my notes but he did show us how to find it. We were marched into a dimly lit room were he demonstrated that when you take a small handheld UV light (cost $39.95), one side of the glass exhibits a glow and the other side does not. The glow is on the wrong side. Kathy 'it's a pleasure to communicate' Wood ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 23:02:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!byerwood From: byerwood@juno.com (Kathy E. Wood) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Sandblasting Cabinets Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:04:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul11.16449.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Byerwood Productions ArtWorks & Literary Kathy Wood/Candace Byers Hi. I may have indefinite use of a free compressor and someone to teach me how to sandblast on glass. Does anyone have or know where I can obtain plans to build and equip a tabletop sandblasting cabinet? Any ideas and experiences regarding same would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kathy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 23:14:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike & Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Thanks Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:10:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970712061018.00679be0@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was out of town today and went to Home Depot. Got an Oddjob mixer. It cost (with tax) $22.00. I'm teaching my sisters how to make a small stepping stone on Monday night and I'll let you know how it works. Thanks so much everyone for your help. It was pretty exciting to get so many answers. Amy - The Glass Goddess Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 11 23:39:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wt.com.au!rdeint From: "Rexort International Pty Ltd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wrong Side Of Float Glass Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 14:36:28 +0800 Message-ID: <199707120632.OAA00432@sage.wt.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Kathy The "wrong side" of float is the side exposed to the tin bath during production process. This side contains minor amounts of tin, which can react with certain enamels and paints. Harald HiGlass ---------------------- HiGlass Manufacturers of Coloured Sheet Glass and Fused Glass Products Perth, Australia email: rdeint@wt.com.au URL: http://www.wt.com.au/~rdeint/higlass.htm ---- From: Kathy E. Wood To: glass@bungi.com Date: Saturday, 12 July 1997 14:07 Subject: Wrong Side Of Float Glass > >Byerwood Productions >ArtWorks & Literary >Kathy Wood/Candace Byers > >Hi everyone. My name is Kathy Wood and I have been lurking for months. >I tried to get into the action but it turns out that my previous server >has offensive third party spamming etiquette so I couldn't get through >(and couldn't find out why for a long time). > >On the subject of painting on float (window) glass: > >In January of 1996 I took a one day glass painting workshop with Dan >Fenton in Hayward CA. He explained that 'Gold Based' enamels (made with >gold chloride) are unpredictable when applied to the wrong side of float >glass. I don't have the definition of the 'wrong side' in my notes but >he did show us how to find it. We were marched into a dimly lit room >were he demonstrated that when you take a small handheld UV light (cost >$39.95), one side of the glass exhibits a glow and the other side does >not. The glow is on the wrong side. > >Kathy 'it's a pleasure to communicate' Wood > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 12 08:04:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Diamond Max Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:58:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul12.65828.0> References: <<199707120036.TAA04181@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk byronw@cyberramp.net wrote: > > Hi All.... > > Can I get some opinions on the Diamond Max grinder?? I'm looking for > something I can bevel edges on glass for Sconce Lights.... The > Diamond Max looks like what I want and at a reasonable price.. The > bevels just dont come out very good with my Glastar regular > grinder... > > Thanks in advance! > > Byron... > > Wells Glassworks > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think we discussed this about a month ago or so. check in the archives... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 12 17:52:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: cyberramp.net!byronw From: byronw@cyberramp.net To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Sandblasting Cabinets Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:53:05 +0000 Message-ID: <199707130050.TAA14761@mailhost.cyberramp.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > From: byerwood@juno.com (Kathy E. Wood) > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Sandblasting Cabinets > Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:04:49 -0700 > Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > > Byerwood Productions > ArtWorks & Literary > Kathy Wood/Candace Byers > > Hi. I may have indefinite use of a free compressor and someone to teach > me how to sandblast on glass. Does anyone have or know where I can > obtain plans to build and equip a tabletop sandblasting cabinet? Any > ideas and experiences regarding same would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Kathy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Hi Kathy.. Check out Tip Tools site at http://www.tiptools.com They sell all sorts of sandblasting equipment,parts,cabinets and also sell plans and parts to make yer own cabinets.. Prices seem decent too.. You can request a catalog online... Byron... Wells Glassworks ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 12 20:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: accesscomm.net!spinn From: spinn@accesscomm.net (Stephen Pinn) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Sandblasting Cabinets Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:09:39 GMT Message-ID: <1997Jul13.3939.0> References: <<199707130050.TAA14761@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: PinnCorp. Precedence: bulk Kathy, Byron is absolutely correct about TIP, they have a great catalog, great stuff and the people are incredably nice. The cabinet that I use for smaller items (11x14") and less, is a cheap tabletop glassbead cabinet that I bought from Harbor Freight Tools.. I think I paid about $130 for it and it has lasted really well. However you will need a dust extraction system as well. Have fun, blasting glass is really enjoyable. - Steve On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:53:05 +0000, you wrote: >> From: byerwood@juno.com (Kathy E. Wood) >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Sandblasting Cabinets >> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:04:49 -0700 >> Reply-to: glass@bungi.com > >>=20 >> Byerwood Productions >> ArtWorks & Literary >> Kathy Wood/Candace Byers >>=20 >> Hi. I may have indefinite use of a free compressor and someone to = teach >> me how to sandblast on glass. Does anyone have or know where I can >> obtain plans to build and equip a tabletop sandblasting cabinet? Any >> ideas and experiences regarding same would be much appreciated. >>=20 >> Thanks,=20 >>=20 >> Kathy=20 >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >>=20 >>=20 > >Hi Kathy.. > > >Check out Tip Tools site at http://www.tiptools.com > >They sell all sorts of sandblasting equipment,parts,cabinets and also=20 >sell plans and parts to make yer own cabinets.. Prices seem decent=20 >too.. You can request a catalog online... > >Byron... > >Wells Glassworks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 12 20:19:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 20:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!CLBoring From: CLBoring@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Did I get removed??? Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul12.191931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 18:29:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:26:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:24:16 -0700 Message-ID: <18265067212505@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I've just come from a disasterious arts and craft festival, trying to sell my stepping stones. If I hear one more time; "you can't walk on them", or after you have assured them that they can, they say, "They're too pretty, I couldn't walk on them", I am going to be rude if not hostile to one of my customer. There that's out of my system. My question is, "How do we get people to accept these stones for what they are?" And what is that you are all asking. I think it's yard art. I think they need to be more in the public eye. It bothers me that, people want something that's in their yard to last forever. We buy painting for the inside of our home and expect to live with it for a few years, knowing full well we will tire of it and replace it. How do we get our customers to veiw the stones the same way? And point this out to them without offending them? My disasterious show was in the high desert, winter ski playground of Oregon (Or-e-gun), and they were concerned what the winters would do, and rightfully so. I didn't have an answer for them. They wintered beautifully here on the coast and in Arizonia (low country). I need to know how long they will stay pretty in adverse weather conditions. I know, they haven't been around long enough. And that a concrete specialist would most likely have the answer for me. And of course it depends on how they are treated. But still I were say, "You can depend on it to be like new for the next 10 years if it is not abused", would that be sufficient? Help. I think this product is beautiful and should become as common place in our yard as the spinkler system (although we don't need them here), and stay around as a necessary yard ornament just like our mail boxes have become. (i.e. model t cars and covered bridges etc.) So we can give our customer more options, here are a few uses for stepping stone (I think they should be called garden stones), that I tell my customers. Embed them in cement: sidewalks, steps,enterances, fences, patios, pools, foundations, driveways, garage floors, kennels. Pathways to: homes, gardens, decks, patios, fish ponds, pools, hot tubs, garbage cans, and burn barrels. and kennels. Accents to garden and yard. They look great in bark mulch and decorative rock. Foot holds in hard to weed areas. A memorial or serenity garden. A marker for a deceased pet. (I've already made a headstone for a man, you have to O.K. it with the individual cemetry and get the exact measurement, that they will allow) Decorations in your pool, fish pond, or hot tub. Use as a splash guard under your outside water faucet. My thought is, if this helps you sell yours, it will help me sell mine. I hope this works better than Reagan trickle down theory. (I'm sorry if that is too sarcastic for the internet) Mike or Amy hope your tedonitis is better. I also want to know what size motor this drill has to have to support a paddle mixing concrete. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 19:01:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks- stepping stones Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul13.18030.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like details of how to get good results with these stained glass stepping stones! Sincerely, M. Nowicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 19:05:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul13.18513.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please describe your technique for making your stepping stones. I have been trying to make some, with less than perfect results. Thank you!!! Sincerely, M. Nowicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 19:48:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mike's Stained Glass Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:42:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul13.184257.0> References: <<18265067212505@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i finally got around to updating my page. in all i put up 11 new tip pages. a bunch of shopping lists, refreshed my graphics (to give them a neater appearence). i also added a new project, the Azure Box, also go to the fish lamp, (now called Aphrodite's Treasure), where i have pictures of the lamp lit. Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 19:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:47:22 -0700 Message-ID: <19565932912610@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Someone told it much better than I can. I told Amy. Check out Josh Balloch re: tendonities 7/9/97 2:33PM ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 19:58:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stepping stone sale idea as a group? Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:54:29 -0700 Message-ID: <19570063112611@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > > > I'd like details of how to get good results with these stained glass stepping > stones! I'm doing alot of soul searching tonight. I've been looking for pictures of these stones in garden magazines, either as features of something new or ads in the back, ya know, allow 4-6 weeks delivery. Maybe as some collective group we could be featured on Better Homes and Gardens. Anyoneknow how to go about that without paying a fortune? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 20:08:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul13.19738.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And now for the bad news! Here in Montana with extreme weather conditions we've had some bad luck with stepping stones. Our days can go from -20 to +40 in one day. Some stones after being out in the weather had the glass totally lift right off. On others that the stone has never seen the light of day, Youghiegeny, Uroboros and Bullsey glass cracked for no apparent reason. (I believe it to be stress from the difference between the concrete and the glass expanding and contracting.) After talking to Julie Bishop Days studio and finding that they had some cracking with art glass, and some problems with weather I have found several things: 1) experiment with different brands of concrete 2) mix the concrete very dry 3)suggest that the stones come in during severe weather. Yes, you said it, they are art. I'm sure they don't leave their Picasso's out in the snow. 4)suggest a stand for it. As a piece of furniture, people will bring it in. 5)put on your thick skin. People who will say that they won't work etc. aren't really buyers. Smile. We've heard it all! Anyone who is in retail or craft shows has listened to so many rude comments we ought to make a book. My favorite..."my cousin does stained glass...and can make this for you cheaper." Most of all, if so many people are reluctant to pay your price, you may be in the wrong venue. You may need to go to a high end garden store, or a home show (ouch-there booths can be high but your sales should rise because the people there are more likely buyers of better items) in order to find your customers. Anyway, I understand your frustration but turn your customers negative thoughts into positive ones. I think that really can be the essence of retail! Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 21:03:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dariece From: dariece@juno.com (Dariece G. McClure) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:06:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul13.18620.0> References: <<18265067212505@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks Josh for all of your ideas on how they could be used. I had thought of a few of those, but not all. Also, how about being used at a place where the rain comes off the house? I have a friend who ask me about that. I was not sure about the force of the water and what that would do to the stone. Do you or anyone else have any comments about that? Dariece On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 18:24:16 -0700 "Josh Balloch" writes: >I've just come from a disasterious arts and craft festival, trying to >sell >my stepping stones. If I hear one more time; "you can't walk on >them", or >after you have assured them that they can, they say, "They're too >pretty, I >couldn't walk on them", I am going to be rude if not hostile to one >of my >customer. >There that's out of my system. >My question is, "How do we get people to accept these stones for what >they >are?" And what is that you are all asking. I think it's yard art. >I >think they need to be more in the public eye. It bothers me that, >people >want something that's in their yard to last forever. We buy painting >for >the inside of our home and expect to live with it for a few years, >knowing >full well we will tire of it and replace it. How do we get our >customers >to veiw the stones the same way? And point this out to them without >offending them? >My disasterious show was in the high desert, winter ski playground of >Oregon (Or-e-gun), and they were concerned what the winters would do, >and >rightfully so. I didn't have an answer for them. They wintered >beautifully here on the coast and in Arizonia (low country). I need to >know >how long they will stay pretty in adverse weather conditions. I know, >they >haven't been around long enough. And that a concrete specialist would >most >likely have the answer for me. And of course it depends on how they >are >treated. But still I were say, "You can depend on it to be like new >for the >next 10 years if it is not abused", would that be sufficient? >Help. >I think this product is beautiful and should become as common place in >our >yard as the spinkler system (although we don't need them here), and >stay >around as a necessary yard ornament just like our mail boxes have >become. >(i.e. model t cars and covered bridges etc.) >So we can give our customer more options, here are a few uses for >stepping >stone (I think they should be called garden stones), that I tell my >customers. >Embed them in cement: sidewalks, steps,enterances, fences, patios, >pools, >foundations, driveways, garage floors, kennels. >Pathways to: homes, gardens, decks, patios, fish ponds, pools, hot >tubs, >garbage cans, and burn barrels. and kennels. >Accents to garden and yard. They look great in bark mulch and >decorative >rock. >Foot holds in hard to weed areas. >A memorial or serenity garden. >A marker for a deceased pet. (I've already made a headstone for a man, >you >have to O.K. it with the individual cemetry and get the exact >measurement, >that they will allow) >Decorations in your pool, fish pond, or hot tub. >Use as a splash guard under your outside water faucet. >My thought is, if this helps you sell yours, it will help me sell >mine. I >hope this works better than Reagan trickle down theory. (I'm sorry if >that >is too sarcastic for the internet) >Mike or Amy hope your tedonitis is better. >I also want to know what size motor this drill has to have to support >a >paddle mixing concrete. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 21:49:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 21:42:29 -0700 Message-ID: <21480601612769@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- I see alot of us are up late tonight. I've just had another idea. I went surfing the net in nurseries with the idea of asking for stained glass stepping stones, making retailers realized there is a market for them. Want to join me? As for the force of water, that shouldn't be a problem. But one of my customers, whose relative lives in hot eastern Oregon, said her relative made a stepping stone and on one hot sunny day turned the cold water sprinklers on them and cracked the glass. I sit at open air craft shows. It amazes me at how many people have the need to stroke the glass. Anyway they get pretty hot. As for the force of water, Dione was right about having to check concrete. I don't like morter. It's too weak. I use an old window screen and seive out the rocks in the premix and then strengthen it with a little Portland Type 2 & 3. They sure stand up to my hosing down. And thank you Dione. I was getting pretty discouraged. I really like doing the stones and everyone is trying to get me to stop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 22:18:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------08C980F449598249B9453603" Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:15:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul13.151555.0> References: <<18265067212505@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------08C980F449598249B9453603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh Balloch wrote: > Embed them in cement: sidewalks, steps,enterances, fences, patios, > pools, > foundations, driveways, garage floors, kennels. > Pathways to: homes, gardens, decks, patios, fish ponds, pools, hot > tubs, > garbage cans, and burn barrels. and kennels. > Accents to garden and yard. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Josh, I have never made a stepping stone but I love the Peacock pattern in Delphi's catalog so much that I talked my husband into taking a stepping stone class with me to learn how to pour. I'll cut the glass, while he mixes up some concrete... to the tune of the song "Our house" ( is a very very very fine house, fine house with 2 cats in the yard...) any way you get the picture. The project I am ( we are ) going to tackle, is a 144 inch x 92 inch patio. One of his concerns is what happens if you drop something on the glass, or is it slippery when wet? My concern is what about patio furniture legs and breakage of the glass? Can you repair broken glass or do you have to make another stone? I may be crazy ( I am anyway! )to start doing something I never have done before on such a large scale, but I always do this and for the most part I am pretty lucky. I'm excited! The patio will be comprised of about 54 hexagons. I envision a trellis pattern around the edge with rose vine or some kind of flowers here and there and the peacock as the focal point of it. The peacock pattern is hexagons and I'm not sure if I may want to switch it to squares for the simple fact of not having to make a half hex to even out the edge. How would you make a half hex? Do they yet make a mold for this? If you have to make your own, will it have the nice edges on it lik a full hex out of the form? (are you keeping up with me?) Anyway please anyone feel free to coment, I would appreciate any feedback on my questions. Am I crazy to do a whole patio out of stepping stones? Thanks in advance... The class is on Saturday July 26th. Melissa --------------08C980F449598249B9453603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh Balloch wrote:

Embed them in cement: sidewalks, steps,enterances, fences, patios, pools,
foundations, driveways, garage floors, kennels.
Pathways to: homes, gardens, decks, patios, fish ponds, pools, hot tubs,
garbage cans, and burn barrels. and kennels.
Accents to garden and yard.

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Josh,
        I have never made a stepping stone but I love the Peacock pattern in Delphi's catalog so much that I talked my husband into taking a stepping stone class with me to learn how to pour.  I'll cut the glass,  while he mixes up some concrete... to the tune of the song "Our house" ( is a very very very fine house, fine house with 2 cats in the yard...)  any way you get the picture.  The project I am ( we are ) going to tackle, is a 144 inch x 92 inch patio.  One of his concerns is what happens if you drop something on the glass, or is it slippery when wet?  My concern is what about patio furniture legs and breakage of the glass? Can you repair broken glass or do you have to make another stone?
        I may be crazy ( I am anyway! )to start doing something I never have done before on such a large scale, but I always do this and for the most part I am pretty lucky.  I'm excited!  The patio will be comprised of about 54 hexagons. I envision a trellis pattern around the edge with rose vine or some kind of flowers here and there and the peacock as the focal point of it.  The peacock pattern is hexagons  and I'm not sure if I may want to switch it to squares for the simple fact of not having to make a half hex to even out the edge.  How would you make a half hex?  Do they yet make a mold for this?  If you have to make your own, will it have the nice edges on it lik a full hex out of the form?  (are you keeping up with me?)  Anyway please anyone feel free to coment,  I would appreciate any feedback on my questions.  Am I crazy to do a whole patio out of stepping stones?
    Thanks in advance... The class is on Saturday July 26th.
                            Melissa --------------08C980F449598249B9453603-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 23:11:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Pboba From: Pboba@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: leaded glass question Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul13.221030.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If your work table is plywood, simply use a compass to draw a circle with the needed diameter. You can add a vertical and a horizontal reference if you like as well. Then set a horseshoe nail into your table along the diameter line. One nail every inch or so should be sufficient. Only set nails to the lower half of the cirlce. You can finish nailing the perimeter as you continue to lead the panel together. Hope this helps. pboba@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 23:30:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Pboba From: Pboba@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Took advice from the experts! Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul13.222911.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Is that you, Jackie? Think SGW. Good old windex on a clean cloth will remove most of the flux from your panel. I,m assuming that you are using a water soluble liquid flux. The goal is to remove the flux from the lead. This prevents the flux from discoloring the lead, and giving the paenl a blotchy appearance after cementing. See you soon. pboba ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Jul 13 23:48:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Pboba From: Pboba@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wrong Side Of Float Glass Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul13.22479.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Float glass gets its name from the process by which it is made. Remember the liquids seek their own level. Molten glass is poured (floated) onto a large "table" that contains a layer of molten zinc. The glass "liquid" floats on the molten zinc until it achieves its proper, uniform thickness. This liquid to liquid interface also gives a material that is perfectly smooth on both surfaces. The temperature of the zinc is then lowered until the glass above becomes rigid, and has been allowed to anneal. The glass can then be handled by whatever fancy machines the plant might employ. The "wrong" side of float glass is of concern primarily to the glass painter and stainer. The glass surface that was in contact with the molten zinc will have some number of molecules of metallic zinc in among the silica matrix. These molecules create problems during the firing cycle of a painted glass piece. pboba ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 04:25:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: Philip McRae To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.02221.0> References: <<1997Jul13.151555.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa... Cracking of concrete with glass imbeded in it, is a problem of the freeze/thaw cycle. Treat it as you would a tender plant. A heavy mulch over stepping stones will allow it to freeze, and stay frozen all winter, or if deep enough, allow it not to freeze. Here in New England we mulch carrots and others with 24" of leaves, hay etc. The root crops never freeze, even with below zero temps. For your patio, small pieces of glass, will reduce the breakage from falling objects. (it will also show up less) For winter protection, get it good and dry, cover with perhaps a thick rug, use no salt for ice clearing, and be sure all voids, holes etc. are filled. Extra care on such a large project is most important. Watch the glass being used, some glass has ridges, be sure to set them with no air space behind them, and the smaller the better. phil7 Melissa Thaxton wrote: > > > Josh Balloch wrote: > >> Embed them in cement: sidewalks, steps,enterances, fences, patios, >> pools, >> foundations, driveways, garage floors, kennels. >> Pathways to: homes, gardens, decks, patios, fish ponds, pools, hot >> tubs, >> garbage cans, and burn barrels. and kennels. >> Accents to garden and yard. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Josh, > I have never made a stepping stone but I love the Peacock > pattern in Delphi's catalog so much that I talked my husband into > taking a stepping stone class with me to learn how to pour. I'll cut > the glass, while he mixes up some concrete... to the tune of the song > "Our house" ( is a very very very fine house, fine house with 2 cats > in the yard...) any way you get the picture. The project I am ( we > are ) going to tackle, is a 144 inch x 92 inch patio. One of his > concerns is what happens if you drop something on the glass, or is it > slippery when wet? My concern is what about patio furniture legs and > breakage of the glass? Can you repair broken glass or do you have to > make another stone? > I may be crazy ( I am anyway! )to start doing something I > never have done before on such a large scale, but I always do this and > for the most part I am pretty lucky. I'm excited! The patio will be > comprised of about 54 hexagons. I envision a trellis pattern around > the edge with rose vine or some kind of flowers here and there and the > peacock as the focal point of it. The peacock pattern is hexagons > and I'm not sure if I may want to switch it to squares for the simple > fact of not having to make a half hex to even out the edge. How would > you make a half hex? Do they yet make a mold for this? If you have > to make your own, will it have the nice edges on it lik a full hex out > of the form? (are you keeping up with me?) Anyway please anyone feel > free to coment, I would appreciate any feedback on my questions. Am > I crazy to do a whole patio out of stepping stones? > Thanks in advance... The class is on Saturday July 26th. > Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 04:50:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: wt.com.au!rdeint From: "Rexort International Pty Ltd" To: Content-Type: text/plain; Subject: Re: Wrong Side Of Float Glass Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:47:22 +0800 Message-ID: <199707141143.TAA03703@sage.wt.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear pboba Please allow a small correction. The bath is molten tin. They are some other chemical elements which could be used in the process, but there cost is prohibitive. The glass enters the float bath at approx. 1100C. Without looking up exact properties, zinc would quickly evaporate at these process temperatures using athmospheric pressure. Annealing is done in a lehr after leaving the tin bath (approx 600C). Annealing temperature for float is in the proximity of 550C. Harald ---------------------- HiGlass Manufacturers of Coloured Sheet Glass and Fused Glass Products Perth, Australia email: rdeint@wt.com.au URL: http://www.wt.com.au/~rdeint/higlass.htm ---- From: Pboba@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Date: Monday, 14 July 1997 14:58 Subject: Re: Wrong Side Of Float Glass >Float glass gets its name from the process by which it is made. Remember the >liquids seek their own level. Molten glass is poured (floated) onto a large >"table" that contains a layer of molten zinc. The glass "liquid" floats on >the molten zinc until it achieves its proper, uniform thickness. This liquid >to liquid interface also gives a material that is perfectly smooth on both >surfaces. The temperature of the zinc is then lowered until the glass above >becomes rigid, and has been allowed to anneal. The glass can then be handled >by whatever fancy machines the plant might employ. >The "wrong" side of float glass is of concern primarily to the glass painter >and stainer. The glass surface that was in contact with the molten zinc will >have some number of molecules of metallic zinc in among the silica matrix. > These molecules create problems during the firing cycle of a painted glass >piece. > >pboba >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 04:58:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:56:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" , "'M. Savad'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Mike's Stained Glass Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:57:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.35725.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, Thanks for the update to your pages. Great stuff. Hope you don't mind if I print some of the tips out and take them home for reference. Oh, and you look just like I thought you would...except for the dimple...that was a bonus. Linda Campbell I don't speak for Metro Machine no they for me. Mike said: ---------- Mike said: i finally got around to updating my page. in all i put up 11 new tip pages. a bunch of shopping lists, refreshed my graphics (to give them a neater appearence). i also added a new project, the Azure Box, also go to the fish lamp, (now called Aphrodite's Treasure), where i have pictures of the lamp lit. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 06:01:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970714090436.006d178c@pop.netrox.net> References: <<1997Jul13.18513.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, You wrote: >Please describe your technique for making your stepping stones. I'll be glad to pass along a sheaf of files on the technique -- including a great compilation of bungi archives Dawn painstakingly made and what I pulled from AOL and other sources -- to anyone who sends me private email requesting it. Just let me know whether you have a way to extract .zip files or whether you need them sent individually. Cheers, M.-J. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 06:15:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!dti From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Diamond Max Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707141314.JAA06982@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Byron, Thanks for your interest in the Diamond Max. As Mike wrote this subject was recently discussed (these grinders are getting popular). I've copied the responses from Bungi. To learn more about the Diamond Max and other DTI products please visit our online catalog at http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti/catalog.html or call 800-937-9593. Sincerely, Jennifer Daniels Diamond Tech International From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:35:08 -0400 References: <<1997Jun30.111050.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Hi Jerri, You will love your Diamond Max grinder, it can also be turned into a bevel machine. I've had mine for about 1 1/2 years now, tech support is great too. The first disk delaminated, I called direct, and they sent another right away. The problem was in the adhesive they used in the early days, that is solved now. Bits have been fine. I can do angle grinding, bevels, use the 1/4 bit for small stuff, or to drill holes in glass. The 6 inch disk is great for quickly grinding a straight edge. Makes boxes and other square and rectangular shapes a snap. To: "'glass@bungi.com'" , "'M. Savad'" Subject: RE: Diamond Max Question Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:56:57 -0100 Reply-To: glass@bungi.com In regards to your new Diamond Max grinder.. I have one and I enjoy it.. = Use it mainly for the straight edges.. As a hint or favor, watch your = first pieces that you grind on the straight edge/beveler.. The new disc = will chip your glass.. either do a piece that you will use a larger = foil or use some scrap glass to break in the disc. I had a some chunks = taken out of my glass on the first things I made from it.. Now it is = fine and I would not do without it. Gloria From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 02:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: glass@bungi.com I have only been doing stained glass for a short while but I bought a Diamond Max and like it. I wasn't as thrilled with the lack of instructions on how to assemble and use it but I do like how this machine works. If you have no experience with grinders, then I'd suggest another because of that lack, but if you have used them at a class or have a reasonable knowledge of how they're supposed to go together, then you would probably like this one. I haven't used the straight edge yet myself but I like how easy it is to use compared to the ones I tried out during 7 weeks of class use. I bought the deluxe package with the foot pedal and I especially LOVE how much simpler that makes it to use. No more flipping the switch on-off-on-off. Just step on it and it goes. Walk away and it stops. Simple enough! Susie At 07:38 PM 7/11/97 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi All.... > > > Can I get some opinions on the Diamond Max grinder?? I'm looking for >something I can bevel edges on glass for Sconce Lights.... The >Diamond Max looks like what I want and at a reasonable price.. The >bevels just dont come out very good with my Glastar regular >grinder... > > > Thanks in advance! > >Byron... > >Wells Glassworks >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 06:24:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!dti From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707141322.JAA07868@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Know this was discussed while I was at the AGSA show but we continue to get a lot of interest and questions from Bungi readers so here it goes. The Diamond Max is a flat disk and bit grinder. There is a Bevel Block included to do straight edges and 30 and 45 degree edges (great for boxes and panel lamps). The Bevel Max is a studio beveling machine which includes the four steps necessary to make a custom made bevel. Max grinders all share the same base so you can turn your Bevel Max into a Diamond Max or your Diamond Max into a Bevel Max. All grinders have a 5 year warranty and all are equipped with a 1/8 hp motor, the fastest motor of any grinder in stained glass. For more information on these tools please visit our online catalog at http://www.artglassworld.com/supply/dti/catalog.html or call 800-937-9593 to find the dealer nearest you. Thanks to everyone for their interest and the positive feedback I've read. Sincerely, Jennifer Daniels Diamond Tech International At 07:49 AM 7/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Everyone: What is the major difference in the Diamond Max and the >Diamond Max Bevel machine? I understand one can be converted to the other >and vice-versa. > >PJ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 06:25:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!dti From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707141324.JAA08013@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Lee, Thanks for the positive comments. Glad you are enjoying the Diamond Max. Please call 800-937-9593 if you ever need anything. Jennifer Diamond Tech International At 06:35 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Jerri, > >You will love your Diamond Max grinder, it can also be turned into a >bevel machine. I've had mine for about 1 1/2 years now, tech support is >great too. The first disk delaminated, I called direct, and they sent >another right away. The problem was in the adhesive they used in the >early days, that is solved now. Bits have been fine. I can do angle >grinding, bevels, use the 1/4 bit for small stuff, or to drill holes in >glass. The 6 inch disk is great for quickly grinding a straight edge. >Makes boxes and other square and rectangular shapes a snap. > >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations > >Jerri M Roey wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> My husband just got me a Diamond Max grinder for our anniversary. >> (Sure beats the traditional wood, paper, brass stuff--whatever it'd be >> for 13 years.) My first thought was that I didn't need another grinder. >> I have an 11 year old Wizard that has always worked great, but this one >> does seem to have some nice features like for straight edges and mitred >> edges. Would anyone that has some feedback for me on this grinder give >> me your opinion? We can return it if I don't want it, but I assume >> that's only if we don't use it, which I haven't yet. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Jerri >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 06:26:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!dti From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Diamond Max Question Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707141324.JAA08100@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Gloria, Thanks for the positive comments. Glad you are enjoying the Diamond Max. Please call 800-937-9593 if you ever need anything. Jennifer Diamond Tech International At 06:56 PM 6/30/97 -0100, you wrote: > > >In regards to your new Diamond Max grinder.. I have one and I enjoy it.. = >Use it mainly for the straight edges.. As a hint or favor, watch your = >first pieces that you grind on the straight edge/beveler.. The new disc = >will chip your glass.. either do a piece that you will use a larger = >foil or use some scrap glass to break in the disc. I had a some chunks = >taken out of my glass on the first things I made from it.. Now it is = >fine and I would not do without it. >Gloria > >---------- >From: M. Savad[SMTP:morn@nac.net] >Sent: Monday, June 30, 1997 8:48 PM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Diamond Max Question > >Jerri M Roey wrote: >>=20 >> Hi all, >>=20 >> My husband just got me a Diamond Max grinder for our = >anniversary. >> (Sure beats the traditional wood, paper, brass stuff--whatever it'd = >be >> for 13 years.) My first thought was that I didn't need another = >grinder. >> I have an 11 year old Wizard that has always worked great, but this = >one >> does seem to have some nice features like for straight edges and = >mitred >> edges. Would anyone that has some feedback for me on this grinder = >give >> me your opinion? We can return it if I don't want it, but I assume >> that's only if we don't use it, which I haven't yet. >>=20 >> Many thanks, >>=20 >> Jerri >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >i would keep it, i myself, have around 4 grinders. some do different >things. i love by twin spin, your's is basically the same thing. it's >great if you need to may a tight fitting corner. so far i've used it >quite a bit. plus it has a more powerful motor then the inland. > >---Mike Savad > >--=20 >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 07:17:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.6113.0> References: <<21480601612769@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh Balloch wrote: > > ---------- > I see alot of us are up late tonight. I've just had another idea. I went > surfing the net in nurseries with the idea of asking for stained glass > stepping stones, making retailers realized there is a market for them. > Want to join me? > As for the force of water, that shouldn't be a problem. But one of my > customers, whose relative lives in hot eastern Oregon, said her relative > made a stepping stone and on one hot sunny day turned the cold water > sprinklers on them and cracked the glass. I sit at open air craft shows. > It amazes me at how many people have the need to stroke the glass. Anyway > they get pretty hot. > As for the force of water, Dione was right about having to check concrete. > I don't like morter. It's too weak. I use an old window screen and seive > out the rocks in the premix and then strengthen it with a little Portland > Type 2 & 3. They sure stand up to my hosing down. > And thank you Dione. I was getting pretty discouraged. I really like > doing the stones and everyone is trying to get me to stop. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i was thinking, maybe (and this idea might be a little far fetched), but maybe if you were to first mix in fiberglass strands in the concrete mix. and then pour a bar top finsh over the glass. the finish (an epoxy coat basically), may be able to hold the glass together better. but of course that would change the look of it, and the price. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 07:43:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: easyinternet.net!Keith From: "Keith Robinson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:39:11 -0400 Message-ID: <199707141345.JAA24283@ns.easyinternet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI I AM INTERESTED IN MAKING STEPPING STONES, AND WOULD LIKE TO RECIEVE YOUR TECHNIQUES ETC. THANK -YOU ----------> From: M.-J. Taylor > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable > Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:04 AM > > Hi, > > You wrote: > >Please describe your technique for making your stepping stones. > > I'll be glad to pass along a sheaf of files on the technique -- including a > great compilation of bungi archives Dawn painstakingly made and what I > pulled from AOL and other sources -- to anyone who sends me private email > requesting it. > > Just let me know whether you have a way to extract .zip files or whether > you need them sent individually. > > Cheers, > > M.-J. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 07:43:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: my page again Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.63745.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk i forgot to mention that along with the new helpfull pages, i also put in my BIO with a picture of me. the picture is ok i guess. eventually i try to get a clearer shot of me. this one was blown up quite a bit, and is still a little blurred... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 07:47:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: easyinternet.net!Keith From: "Keith Robinson" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:43:33 -0400 Message-ID: <199707141350.JAA24340@ns.easyinternet.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk HI I FORGOT TO AND MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND THAT I WOULD LIKE ONE AT A TIME , I HAVE NO WAY TO OPEN COMPRESSD FILES. KEITH@EASYINTERNET.NET ---------- > From: M.-J. Taylor > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable > Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:04 AM > > Hi, > > You wrote: > >Please describe your technique for making your stepping stones. > > I'll be glad to pass along a sheaf of files on the technique -- including a > great compilation of bungi archives Dawn painstakingly made and what I > pulled from AOL and other sources -- to anyone who sends me private email > requesting it. > > Just let me know whether you have a way to extract .zip files or whether > you need them sent individually. > > Cheers, > > M.-J. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 08:05:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: Gloria Drag <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: stepping stone sale idea as a group? Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.7759.0> References: <<19570063112611@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I receive loads of catalogs, from gardening ideas, home ideas, to Mystic ideas (Red Rose and The dragon catalog) I have yet to see one, Garden Stone (I also like this name over stepping stone).. I have seen cemented stones, and now they have stones that are hand painted, but no glass.. Josh Balloch wrote: > > ---------- > > > > > > I'd like details of how to get good results with these stained glass > stepping > > stones! > > I'm doing alot of soul searching tonight. I've been looking for pictures > of these stones in garden magazines, either as features of something new or > ads in the back, ya know, allow 4-6 weeks delivery. > Maybe as some collective group we could be featured on Better Homes and > Gardens. > Anyoneknow how to go about that without paying a fortune? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 09:59:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaly From: "Suzanne Haley" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re[2]: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 09:02:35 PST Message-ID: <9706148688.AA868898838@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please send to shaley@mfi.com -- not compressed. Thanks. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Author: glass@bungi.com at Internet Date: 7/14/97 8:50 AM HI I FORGOT TO AND MY EMAIL ADDRESS AND THAT I WOULD LIKE ONE AT A TIME , I HAVE NO WAY TO OPEN COMPRESSD FILES. KEITH@EASYINTERNET.NET ---------- > From: M.-J. Taylor > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable > Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:04 AM > > Hi, > > You wrote: > >Please describe your technique for making your stepping stones. > > I'll be glad to pass along a sheaf of files on the technique -- including a > great compilation of bungi archives Dawn painstakingly made and what I > pulled from AOL and other sources -- to anyone who sends me private email > requesting it. > > Just let me know whether you have a way to extract .zip files or whether > you need them sent individually. > > Cheers, > > M.-J. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 10:08:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: Postmaster From: "Barbara A. Roman" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: using zinc came and copper foil in window Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:09:05 -0400 Message-ID: <199707141706.NAA07942@xensei2.xensei.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Boffo Games, Inc. Precedence: bulk Hello all! I'm starting to plan a window for my brother's Victorian house as a house-warming gift. He and his girlfriend selected a lovely pattern which has fuschias and some swirly pieces, and the area around the central floral motif is a regular grid with straight lines. So my question is, if I do the more intricate areas in copper foil, can I do the straight pieces with the zinc came? Also, the border has bevel potential (I like bevels!); should I use foil or came for the bevel and border pieces? I've seen the combination of the two in a cabinet door and a large window pattern in Glass Patterns Quarterly, so I have some reference on it, but I'd love to hear your experiences and advice on this. And would the use of zinc came be sufficient strengthening in a 20 in. X 27 in. window, or should I still use re-bar or re-strip? (It would not be "openable" - just permanently installed) Thanks in advance, Barb barb@boffo.com -- to reply, remove ** from address ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 10:12:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: <10113756413816@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Philip McRae > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Thank you very much for the info. Do you mind if I write that up and give it to my customers? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 10:12:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:40:36 -0700 Message-ID: <10113636213815@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, Sorry, I forgot to tell ya. I do use fiber mesh as a support system, much better, much cheaper, and mucho much easier than chicken wire! As for the epoxy, I think it would scratch way too easy. But wouldn't that be a great idea for table tops etc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 10:12:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: peacock patio Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:08:55 -0700 Message-ID: <10113909613817@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk what a fabulous and ambitious project! Yes patio furniture will scratch the glass. I took one of my stepping stones and placed it on top of another one and rub the ____ out of it and it did scatch the glass. I take stones in the back seat of my car to shows. I stack them 10 high, if they are off balance or not protected inbetween they are scratched and have broken. I find the stones that are at least 2" deep and are cured 14 days plus are stronger. (I use cut up egg crate mattress pieces between the stones) I would suggest that you incorporate a plain area where the furniture can go. No they do not make 1/2 hexagon molds. But why not make your own out of wood. You could make several. They are cheaper and you could pour more than one at a time. I take a week getting 13 stones (cause that's how many molds I have (no I didn't pay $24.95 for each one, I use potted plant drip catchers that cost me $2.20 ea.)) ready to pour. Then I can pour them all at one time. Takes me about 3 hours to do that pour. If my sons help me, I can half that time. One more note and I hope you are not getting tired of this subject, but when they are wet (which they usually are here on the coast) you can't see the scratches and they are so much prettier (have you guessed yet that my name is shirley not jost, this is my son's computer, don't know what I'm going to do when he takes it back to college with him in the fall. He insisted I learn how to use it and now he can hardly get to it.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 11:10:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: end of story Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:06:48 -0700 Message-ID: <11093637613959@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am very curious what effects are comments have. It's like not being able to hear the end of a good story. How about letting us know how our comments helped or didn't help and how your projects turned out. Curiously yours Shirley B. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 11:20:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: art glass world Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:17:31 -0700 Message-ID: <11200286713969@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I also lurk at art glass world chat line and I haven't been able to get through to them for 5 days now. Anyone know why or am I the only one having the problem? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 11:35:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: Philip McRae To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:33:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.73330.0> References: <<10113756413816@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh (Shirley)? Use it with pleasure. Regards phil7 Josh Balloch wrote: > ---------- > > From: Philip McRae > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable > Thank you very much for the info. Do you mind if I write that up and > give > it to my customers? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 13:49:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: digital.net!agw From: Jennifer Daniels To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: art glass world Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707142048.QAA11010@ddi.digital.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I checked the site and was able to connect. Please check again and contact agw@digital.net if you have any problems. Thanks for visiting. Jennifer At 11:17 AM 7/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >I also lurk at art glass world chat line and I haven't been able to get >through to them for 5 days now. Anyone know why or am I the only one >having the problem? > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ================================================================ Jennifer Daniels agw@digital.net Art Glass World http://www.artglassworld.com 4002 W. State Street phone: 813-348-0605 Tampa, FL 33609 USA fax: 813-872-6288 ================================================================ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 14:30:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: pieces of glass stuck in concrete Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:26:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199707142126.QAA17679@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think the stepping stone crowd had better do more making and less talking... by next summer they will be selling them in Walmart for half of the lowest price you would be willing to make one for.... thanks to our 3rd world brothers and sisters :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 14:31:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: using zinc came and copper foil in window Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:25:22 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.132522.0> References: <<199707141706.NAA07942@xensei2.xensei.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara A. Roman wrote: > > Hello all! > > I'm starting to plan a window for my brother's Victorian house as a > house-warming gift. He and his girlfriend selected a lovely pattern > which has fuschias and some swirly pieces, and the area around the > central floral motif is a regular grid with straight lines. So my > question is, if I do the more intricate areas in copper foil, can I do > the straight pieces with the zinc came? Also, the border has bevel > potential (I like bevels!); should I use foil or came for the bevel and > border pieces? I've seen the combination of the two in a cabinet door > and a large window pattern in Glass Patterns Quarterly, so I have some > reference on it, but I'd love to hear your experiences and advice on > this. And would the use of zinc came be sufficient strengthening in a > 20 in. X 27 in. window, or should I still use re-bar or re-strip? (It > would not be "openable" - just permanently installed) > > Thanks in advance, > Barb > barb@boffo.com > -- > to reply, remove ** from address > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass foil can be used in combination, but it may stick out when looked at. it would have to be blended in, in some way. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 14:35:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:34:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.132925.0> References: <<10113636213815@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh Balloch wrote: > > Hi Mike, > Sorry, I forgot to tell ya. I do use fiber mesh as a support system, much > better, much cheaper, and mucho much easier than chicken wire! > As for the epoxy, I think it would scratch way too easy. But wouldn't > that be a great idea for table tops etc. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i don't do stones yet, but how about this idea: i wonder if that jewelery grinding bit would work. if a groove was formed in the edge, maybe the cement could hold the glass in better. though the cement would have to pretty loose..just an idea, it probably would'nt work anyway... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 15:57:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:52:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.145220.0> References: <<21480601612769@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi John, Only comment I have, is the question on water run off on the stones. If placed at the bottom of a down spout, eventually the water will wear away the concrete from around the glass. Note what water does in cliffs and erosion. Same thing at a 'drip' line under the eaves of the house. You may find a better market to Nursery and Garden supply stores, than craft fairs. The main reason I don't do the stones is weight. I have a hard enough time shifting and moving inventory boxes and show equipment. I do like them though. Good luck- Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 16:41:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: <16404021914670@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > maybe the cement could hold the glass in better. though the cement would > have to pretty loose..just an idea, it probably would'nt work anyway... > > ---Mike Savad://www.bungi.com/glass It's been experience that the glass only falls out if you haven't let the concrete dry long enough, or you didn't get it completely around the glass. Believe me, I take a wire brush to mine and still don't disturb the glass. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 21:20:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EAA338BA5235091494E5A288" Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:17:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.141733.0> References: <<1997Jul14.02221.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------EAA338BA5235091494E5A288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Philip McRae wrote: > Melissa... > > Cracking of concrete with glass imbeded in it, is a problem of the > freeze/thaw cycle. Treat it as you would a tender plant. A heavy > mulch > over stepping stones will allow it to freeze, and stay frozen all > winter, or if deep enough, allow it not to freeze. Here in New > England > we mulch carrots and others with 24" of leaves, hay etc. The root > crops > never freeze, even with below zero temps. > > For your patio, small pieces of glass, will reduce the breakage from > falling objects. (it will also show up less) > > For winter protection, get it good and dry, cover with perhaps a thick > > rug, use no salt for ice clearing, and be sure all voids, holes etc. > are > filled. Extra care on such a large project is most important. Watch > the > glass being used, some glass has ridges, be sure to set them with no > air > space behind them, and the smaller the better. > > phil7 > Philip, I live in the Sacramento Ca. area, very seldom do we have a hard freeze. I was more worried about the glass breaking and if it does can you repair it or do you have to remake the whole stone? I grew up in Hingham Mass. Where are you? Thanks, Melissa --------------EAA338BA5235091494E5A288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Philip McRae wrote:
Melissa...

Cracking of concrete with glass imbeded in it, is a problem of the
freeze/thaw cycle.  Treat it as you would a tender plant. A heavy mulch
over stepping stones will allow it to freeze, and stay frozen all
winter, or if deep enough, allow it not to freeze.  Here in New England
we mulch carrots and others with 24" of leaves, hay etc.  The root crops
never freeze, even with below zero temps.

For your patio, small pieces of glass, will reduce the breakage from
falling objects. (it will also show up less)

For winter protection, get it good and dry, cover with perhaps a thick
rug, use no salt for ice clearing, and be sure all voids, holes etc. are
filled. Extra care on such a large project is most important. Watch the
glass being used, some glass has ridges, be sure to set them with no air
space behind them, and the smaller the better.

phil7
 

Philip,
            I live in the Sacramento Ca. area, very seldom do we have a hard freeze.  I was more worried about the glass breaking and if it does can you repair it or do you have to remake the whole stone?
            I grew up in Hingham Mass. Where are you?
Thanks,
            Melissa --------------EAA338BA5235091494E5A288-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 21:38:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D6A952202293D2292154D446" Subject: Re: peacock patio Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:36:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.143627.0> References: <<10113909613817@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------D6A952202293D2292154D446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > what a fabulous and ambitious project! > Thanks > Yes patio furniture will scratch the glass. Darn, The patio isn't very big but I was planning to have some just plain concrete stepping stones (garden stones, I like that better too, it is befitting Stained Glass Art ) in the middle of the design. > No they do not make 1/2 hexagon molds. But why not make your own out > of > wood. You could make several. They are cheaper and you could pour > more > than one at a time. > But the molds are rounded on the edges, how would you get that > effect? when they are wet (which they usually are here on the coast) you can't see the scratches and they are so much prettierWhat coast? > (have you guessed yet that my > name is shirley not jost, this is my son's computer, don't know what > I'm > going to do when he takes it back to college with him in the fall. I think you should write a letter to Santa Claus! I'll put in a good word for ya too!Thanks for the helpful hints and experienced comments. Melissa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --------------D6A952202293D2292154D446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
what a fabulous and ambitious project!
Thanks
Yes patio furniture will scratch the glass.
    Darn, The patio isn't very big but I was planning to have some just plain concrete stepping stones (garden stones, I like that better too, it is befitting Stained Glass Art ) in the middle of the design.
No they do not make 1/2 hexagon molds.  But why not make your own out of
wood.  You could make several.  They are cheaper and you could pour more
than one at a time.
 But the molds are rounded on the edges, how would you get that effect?
when they are wet (which they usually are here on the coast) you can't see the scratches and they are so much prettierWhat coast?
(have you  guessed yet that my
name is shirley not jost, this is my son's computer, don't know what I'm
going to do when he takes it back to college with him in the fall.
    I think you should write a letter to Santa Claus!  I'll put in a good word for ya too!Thanks for the helpful hints and experienced comments.
Melissa
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   --------------D6A952202293D2292154D446-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 21:41:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: montana.com!chip3 From: Phil Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: my page again Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:37:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.153751.0> References: <<1997Jul14.63745.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Chip3 Video Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, I visited your page again and wow! what beautiful items you've made and shown. The "fish lamp' is truly incredible when lit. And you've done a marvelous job of catching your work on photos. I know that takes a bit of trial, error and practice too. (How do you get to Carnegie Hall?) Anyway, thanks for giving all of us the opportunity to view your work. By the way, your photo is fine. Slightly blurry is ok, that way no one will be stopping you on the street for information. Seriously, so glad you're open and willing to share of your experience. T. in Montana M. Savad wrote: > > i forgot to mention that along with the new helpfull pages, i also put > in my BIO with a picture of me. the picture is ok i guess. eventually i > try to get a clearer shot of me. this one was blown up quite a bit, and > is still a little blurred... > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 21:45:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:44:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: end of story Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:43:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.144319.0> References: <<11093637613959@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I am very curious what effects are comments have. It's like not being > able > to hear the end of a good story. How about letting us know how our > comments helped or didn't help and how your projects turned out. > Curiously yours Shirley B. Are you talking about the patio I'm doing or the ????? Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Jul 14 21:46:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: art glass world Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul14.144456.0> References: <<11200286713969@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh Balloch wrote: > I also lurk at art glass world chat line and I haven't been able to > get > through to them for 5 days now. Anyone know why or am I the only one > having the problem? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never been there but I'd like to go can I hav the path?Thanks, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 00:49:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: art glass world Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:34:34 -0700 Message-ID: <00472818815679@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk This is for Melissa Thaxton and anyone else who wants Art Glass World email address. http://www.artglassworld.com/wwwboard/index.html Also you want to find some great sites, visit Mike's Stained Glass at http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 01:09:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 01:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: end of story Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 01:02:54 -0700 Message-ID: <01090949915693@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > Are you talking about the patio I'm doing or the ????? > Melissa Sure and Mike using zinc came on a copper foiled window, did Jackie solve her bathroom tile project, did the lady keep the grinder her husband bought for her, how did Denis' panel turn out, did people like the various pattern suggestion and if so which one did they choose or did they find something on their own, etc. etc. etc. I know I'm nosey, but that's the way I am and I've had lots of years to get this way. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 06:18:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707151315.JAA20481@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa, > I live in the Sacramento Ca. area, very seldom do we have a >hard freeze. I was more worried about the glass breaking and if it does >can you repair it or do you have to remake the whole stone? I suppose it may be possible to repair a stepping stone, but understand that it won't necessarily look like it did originally. Here's a possible solution: Wearing safety glasses (and possibly a face mask because of dust), carefully break up the broken glass, remove it and clean up the opening left behind both on the sides and the bottom -- a wire brush may work well. Take a tracing of the opening and cut a replacement piece of glass that's slightly smaller than the opening. Mix us a small portion of cement (on the dry side), brush a thin layer on the bottom of the opening, place the glass in place, and then fill in the sides. Allow the cement to set up for a short period of time and then smooth up the seams and clean off any that may have gotten on the glass. This idea is in theory, not in actuality. If someone does try this method or has other ideas, I would love to hear about them. Stephanie Delphi Stained Glass ______________________________________________________________________ ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 06:32:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: using zinc came and copper foil in window Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.53145.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes you can use Zinc and copper foil in the same window very easily, I have done it many times with no problem, and I suggest that you do use zinc around the bevel border that you are thinking about,one reason is for the added strength of the zinc and two it will make the straight lines look much cleaner. And I don't think that your window would require any additional support because you say that it will not be subjected to constant opening and closing , that is of course if you use the zinc to stiffen up the window. One caution when using zinc around bevels be careful not to force the zinc or glass while fitting it , because this will cause chipping on the edge of the bevels. Goodluck with your project it sounds like something that will not only add value but also be cherished by the recipients . Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 06:43:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:42:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 09:37:56 EDT Message-ID: <970715.094250.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199707151315.JAA20481@vixa.voyager.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk According to the shop where I buy stained glass supplies, glass in patio stones will pop loose in Southern New England winters, too (a lot of freeze and thaw). She carries a tube of glue stuff to glue the glass back (but I doubt I'll be there any time soon to get the name, but this description may ring a bell in someone's mind). She's trying different kinds of cement...you know, I suspect that by now, the people who wrote the stepping stones books should have a lot of feedback and suggestions. -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 06:47:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: using zinc came and copper foil in window Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707151347.JAA11076@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk you wrote, >Yes you can use Zinc and copper foil in the same window very easily, I have >done it many times with no problem, and I suggest that you do use zinc around >the bevel border that you are thinking about,one reason is for the added >strength of the zinc and two it will make the straight lines look much >cleaner. .. I just have a question? Why would you use zinc and not lead around the bevels? pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 06:48:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707151347.JAA28660@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Shirley (balloch@netbridge.net) recently contacted me and asked if I have anything to add to this conversation. So here goes.... >Specifically what weather conditions do to the stones and what effect >weather has on the glass? Any maintance ideas not already mentioned. Any >suggestions to glass type less vulunerable? Obviously colder weather has adverse effects on glass and cement/concrete. I have a stepping stone in my front garden that has weathered 1 winter with no adverse effects, but I've done a lot of preventative maintenance, too. I dug a hole that is 6" deep and filled about a 1/3 of the opening with stones, 1/3 with sand and the remainder with the stepping stone. The point it to allow for the best drainage possible. Over the winter, I cover the stone with a piece of heavy plastic and tuck it in around the edges and cover the entire stone generously with straw and cover with an overturned tub (just like I would my rosebushes, except for the plastic ). I realize that this may not be feasible if you have a lot of stones, but it works for me. Consider contacting a local masonry shop and see if they have any tips for better weathering if you have problems with the cement cracking. At Delphi we have found that using a concrete that's 1/3 sand appears to be the best mix. As for the glass, the "art"-ier glasses like Youghiogheny, Chicago Art Glass, Bullseye, Uroboros, are more temperamental and it's my experience that these glasses are more inclined to just break on their own at any given time; it's just the nature of the beast. I'm not suggesting that you don't use them, just be aware. The most stable glasses seem to be the machine rolled ones -- Spectrum, Wissmach, Armstrong, etc. >And do you have an update on how the public is accepting them. Personally, >I have found most people think they are beautiful, expensive and >impractical, but usually their beauty wins out over their concerns. >And do you have any marketing tips. Special interest areas to try. I've >been lurking around trying to find business on the net like nurseries and >landscapers and pond people to sell these stones to. The public loves them! We have a local farmer's market where there are stones being sold very inexpensively (they also are made up of lots of cement and a bit of glass). It's simply a matter of educating them on this new media. Everyone loves praise for their creative expression, but your best education comes from those that are skeptical and raise questions that you may be tired of hearing. It's best to develop a touch skin and offer well-informed answers. Nothing's worse than being unprepared for these types of questions; if all else fails, be honest if you don't know and brush up on good information as opposed to adlibbing and making up false information. We all have to remember that we've grown up being told not to break windows (ie. glass). Does anyone here remember first breaking glass and the feelings that it evoked? I was just a teensy-weensy bit apprehensive. To date stained glass has been a visual art comprised of mainly windows and lamps (Again, your parents cautioned "don't touch" or "be careful -- it's GLASS"). Now imagine treading across them! Whispers of don't walk on broken glass, especially with your bare feet. To market these stones, I would suggest putting together a great display; something that resembles the setting they are made for. Maybe have a small box that's large enough to display the different shapes in and embed them in mulch. Also be sure to include any special care instructions (for instance hints for wintering), installation, etc. Stephanie Delphi Stained Glass ______________________________________________________________________ ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 06:50:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 06:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: injersey.com!psgs From: psgs@injersey.com To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:37:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.23733.0> References: <<1997Jul14.132925.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Prism Stained Glass Studio Precedence: bulk Hi Mike! Would you care to share the process used to create and post those great pictures on your page? > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, > Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. > ---- I think that many of us would like to know how you did it. Thanks -Vernon Prism Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 07:41:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.63455.0> References: <<199707151315.JAA20481@vixa.voyager.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Delphi Stained Glass wrote: > > Melissa, > > > I live in the Sacramento Ca. area, very seldom do we have a > >hard freeze. I was more worried about the glass breaking and if it does > >can you repair it or do you have to remake the whole stone? > > I suppose it may be possible to repair a stepping stone, but understand that > it won't necessarily look like it did originally. > > Here's a possible solution: Wearing safety glasses (and possibly a face > mask because of dust), carefully break up the broken glass, remove it and > clean up the opening left behind both on the sides and the bottom -- a wire > brush may work well. Take a tracing of the opening and cut a replacement > piece of glass that's slightly smaller than the opening. Mix us a small > portion of cement (on the dry side), brush a thin layer on the bottom of the > opening, place the glass in place, and then fill in the sides. Allow the > cement to set up for a short period of time and then smooth up the seams and > clean off any that may have gotten on the glass. > > This idea is in theory, not in actuality. If someone does try this method > or has other ideas, I would love to hear about them. > > Stephanie > Delphi Stained Glass > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net > Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass > 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) > Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) > USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) > 1-517-482-4028 (International) > _____________________________________________________________________ > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it would probably be easier to remove the old glass, and glue in the new glass. then fill in the cracks (if any), with a thinned out cement. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 08:04:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.65837.0> References: <<1997Jul15.23733.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk psgs@injersey.com wrote: > > Hi Mike! > > Would you care to share the process used to create and post those great > pictures on your page? > > -- > > Mike's Stained Glass > > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, > > Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. > > ---- > I think that many of us would like to know how you did it. > > Thanks > -Vernon > Prism Studio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass all right. first i got the photo i took of the work, i have an entire album. then i scaned it in, at 200 dpi (in ofoto laminated proof). the pictures were around 2-3 megs each after they were cropped. the only exception was the azure box (the one in the lower right corner). the picture was small and it would'nt have picked out the details. so i scanned it in at 600 dpi, and it was more like 12 megs. after all the scanning, i bring it in to photoshop. then i change it to RGB. next i adjust the levels, contrast, brightness, etc. to get the color back into the piece again. for some reason whenever a photo is scanned it's much whiter (my theory is, is that the light is reflecting over the glossy surface of the picture and bleeding it out at the same time). next i cut out any unnecesary backgrounds. then i convert the picture to LAB color. i click on the brigtness channel, and do a unsharp mask, this will sharpen the graphic, without destroying too much color value. though if done wrong (the pixel radius setting is large, a white ring will develope around the solder lines. next i click on the full color channel, to see what it looks like. usaully i like to push CTRL Z to undo it, and see how much it improved. then i convert it back to RGB. next i see if it needs and new color adjustment. since i remove the background, any reflections and shadows don't have any meaning any more. so i have to select off each piece, and (using the stamp tool), replace the highlights or shadows with color. then i'll touch up any areas that are blurred with the sharpness tool. and if it's to jaggy, i'll carefully use the smear tool. if it looks too green, or if it needs to be darker, i go to variations, and adjust the picture. once i'm satisfied that it looks good i save it. then i shrink the graphic down by 50% (netscape enlarges things like you would'nt believe). the 1:1 ratio is the equal size when viewed in netscape. next i convert the graphic into INDEXED COLOR, then save it as a gif. once i looks at it in netscape, and it looks fine; i turn it into a transparent GIF in LView Pro. for my photo, it was an outside family shot, with people in the background next to a building. in fact i had some guy coming out of my shoulder. this is were i used the stamp tool, to add more background. and for the titles, they were also done in photoshop. graphics taken from Corel Draw, and the net. all combined with the filters of photoshop. and if your wondering about the butterfly: the shadows for the words, etc., was a simple copy and shift, filled with black. then i applied a gaussian blur to it to make it look a certain distance. for the butterfly, i did the same thing, only i kept the color, and adjust the transparensy in the levels box. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 09:12:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: removing broken pieces of glass from stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: <09113464416465@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I make my stones differently. I take mine out 12 to 17 hours after I have poured them. My process demands using a wire brush and believe me, if I'm an hour to late, it takes a chisel. There is no way I can imagine being able to do that without making a horrendous mesh. I have tried sulfamic acid and it's not that easy, plus terribly dangerous to work with. I have also tried the cement glue and it looked like (pardon me) crap. It doesn't dry away like elmers, It stay like tar and remains also as soft. Melissa, whatever you have, I think you'll just have to learn to live with. As for when they break. I lost one and my Dad wanted it. He had to tie it together with fine wire and put it in the back 40, where it is hardly ever seen. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 09:12:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Mike-Stepping stone proceedure Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: <09113605616466@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am debating if I want to share. I sell the instructions at my shows. I'm not much of a business woman. My life was nursing until a drunk driver ended that. But I still have the mind set of being helpful. But would I be cutting my own throat? On the other hand, my process is already being circulated. As for posting on a web site that is also in the future. My brother is also very computer literite, not to mention my two boys (both in their late teens) and they plan on helping me advertise. I am trying to gather info on how to get my ad to show up in the first 100 choices. I really like what you did with your site. I have already emailed my brother to take a look at it. So I guess my answer is I'm working on it. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 09:44:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: stepping stone thank you Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:37:57 -0700 Message-ID: <09415135616537@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thank you all for your comments and questions( I hadn't thought of) and a special thanks to Stephanie @ Delphi. I appreciate it more than I know how to say. So like Len said, I've got to get busy making these things before the 3rd world does them far cheaper than I could afford to do them for. I have 10 to make in the next 3 days for a show starting this friday. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 10:05:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: end of story Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:03:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.3358.0> References: <<01090949915693@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It'll be a very very long time before I am completed with this project but sure I'll let you know. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 10:08:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: using zinc came and copper foil in window Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:03:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.9357.0> References: <<199707151347.JAA11076@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Just my 2 cents too, use lead like PJ suggests, or if more strength is needed, at least use brass came, it takes a finish better (either patina, or polished) It is just my opinion that zinc looks kind of 'crappie',' because of the way it oxidizes. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations -Ouchiiecc right now with 2 cracked ribs. Moan! > I just have a question? Why would you use zinc and not lead around the bevels? > > pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 10:12:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8E437DCB1FB077A5EE1762A9" Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:11:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.3111.0> References: <<970715.094250.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --------------8E437DCB1FB077A5EE1762A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mail wrote: > According to the shop where I buy stained glass supplies, glass in > patio > stones will pop loose in Southern New England winters, too (a lot of > freeze and thaw). She carries a tube of glue stuff to glue the > glass back (but I doubt I'll be there any time soon to get the name, > but > this description may ring a bell in someone's mind). She's trying > different kinds of cement...you know, I suspect that by now, the > people > who wrote the stepping stones books should have a lot of feedback and > suggestions. > > Thanks Dorothy --------------8E437DCB1FB077A5EE1762A9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mail wrote:
According to the shop where I buy stained glass supplies, glass in patio
stones will pop loose in Southern New England winters, too (a lot of
freeze and thaw).  She carries a tube of glue stuff to glue the
glass back (but I doubt I'll be there any time soon to get the name, but
this description may ring a bell in someone's mind).  She's trying
different kinds of cement...you know, I suspect that by now, the people
who wrote the stepping stones books should have a lot of feedback and
suggestions.

Thanks Dorothy

   --------------8E437DCB1FB077A5EE1762A9-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 10:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:15:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.31524.0> References: <<1997Jul15.63455.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Mike Savad wrote: > it would probably be easier to remove the old glass, and glue in the > new > glass. then fill in the cracks (if any), with a thinned out cement. > > ---Mike Savad > Thats a good idea. I suppose you could use grout too. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 11:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:05:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199707151805.NAA07258@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >As for the glass, the "art"-ier glasses like Youghiogheny, Chicago Art >Glass, Bullseye, Uroboros, are more temperamental and it's my experience >that these glasses are more inclined to just break on their own at any given >time; it's just the nature of the beast. I'm not suggesting that you don't >use them, just be aware. > >The most stable glasses seem to be the machine rolled ones -- Spectrum, >Wissmach, Armstrong, etc. Chicago Art, Bullseye and the others you mentioned are machine rolled glasses (single rolled) The only glass that is not rolled are the full antiques >It's simply a matter of educating them on this new media. New Media? Isn't this merely a minor variation of an ancient and noble art form called mosaic? > >We all have to remember that we've grown up being told not to break windows >(ie. glass). Does anyone here remember first breaking glass and the >feelings that it evoked? I was just a teensy-weensy bit apprehensive. >To date stained glass has been a visual art comprised of mainly windows and >lamps (Again, your parents cautioned "don't touch" or "be careful -- it's >GLASS"). Now imagine treading across them! Whispers of don't walk on >broken glass, especially with your bare feet. Oh Please!... put on your asbestos suit Stephanie, here it comes :-)... Thats a stretch if ever heard one. Would you have me believe that garden stones will some day take their rightful place alongside SG windows and lamps? Sounds like the thrust of your gushy commentary and sappy imagery is to juice up people to buy more materials to make more garden stones. Nothing wrong with pushing the latest novelty item, strike while the iron is hot I always say... IMHO this thread belongs on rec.crafts not on bungi, why? because it does nothing to encourage or elevate the art form, and you wonder why arts councles refuse to admit SG entries into shows. This list has the potential to be the premier source of SG information on the internet, unfortunatly protracted discussions full of misinformation, speculation and bad guesses about mundane topics do nothing to encourage the participation of professionals and experts who I know are more then willing to help folks elevate their skills in all areas. There is access to info on this list that is darn near impossible to get anywhere else because it is given freely, not self serving and there is no profit motive. Just my 0.02 worth Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 12:35:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: Philip McRae To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: end of story Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.83237.0> References: <<1997Jul15.3358.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa... Just a quick idea for repairing broken glass in stepping stones. After cleaning out the glass and loose cement , reset the piece with Hydraulic Cement. Hyraulic Cement is a powdered cement, mix in a paper cup, with disposable spoon or craft stick, add a little, bit of water to 1/2 cup of powder, mix until a heavy cream like mixture forms, and spread in prewetted hole, set glass in and level right away, setup time till rock hard is 15 minutes. Be sure to final fit, and smooth with all speed possible, drink a cup of coffee and you'll regret it. Most home centers have small cans listed under a wide variety of names. Thanks for listening... phil7 Melissa Thaxton wrote: > It'll be a very very long time before I am completed with this project > but sure I'll let you know. > Melissa > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 12:38:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: reply to Len Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:34:41 -0700 Message-ID: <12362784117204@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: len alcamo > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: More about stepping stones > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 11:05 AM > > My goodness Len, a bit lofty aren't we. I think you are missing the boat. You think steppng stones are just a fad, and they may well be, but I for one certainly hope not. I can envision them in places like Buchart Gardens. I'm sure way back when they started putting colored glass in churches and lamps that people thought that was a waste of time, that it would never work or stay around. We have the technology now to make this a growing part of our culture. We are at the hey what do you know stage. We're all beginners on this. Pros were beginners once themselves and good ones remember that and teach and share. This is a wonderful site! It would be ashame to alienate the budding artists. I mean, I still don't understand Picaso, but hey lots do. My little stones are better than lawn art where you see the fat ladies panties. I get an awful lot of oose and awes. My only negative comments are people afraid they won't hold up. And from my lurking, you guys making windows and lamps are still learning about stress points etc. because of the same concern. I know of a lady in California who does nothing but repair church window due to vandilism. She has to go back and cover the window with bullet proof glass after she has repaired them. That is a rather mundane subject but it's pertinent. As to elevating the art form. We are in our infancy, we have to learn to crawl before we can run. And I have had artists tell me I did not belong in the craft section of Arts and Crafts shows, that I belonged in the art section. Stephanie is not out to move a product. She helping us who have faith in this new media. Just imagine the well established english gardens with walkways, pathways and accents in pleasant peaceful stained glass scenes, that just happen to be set in cement. I keep envisioning tree encroaching pathway to the beach that bend and twists through the forest and at the bottom of a natural step, a stepping stone with a picture (not mosaic) of seals basking in the sun or seagulls flying into the sunset, or orca's sounding. The possibilities are endless. This is a chat line for the pros and I would like to keep stepping/garden stones at that level! That's the reason I'm discussing it here instead of rec.craft. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 12:38:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: stepping stone thank you Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:50:10 -0700 Message-ID: <12362621817203@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Josh Balloch > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: stepping stone thank you > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 9:37 AM > > Thank you all for your comments and questions( I hadn't thought of) and a > special thanks to Stephanie @ Delphi. I appreciate it more than I know how > to say. So like Len said, I've got to get busy making these things before > the 3rd world does them far cheaper than I could afford to do them for. I > have 10 to make in the next 3 days for a show starting this friday. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 13:04:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.12241.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Where can I find detailed info on making these stepping stones? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 13:06:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707152004.QAA11201@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Len, (Garbed in asbestos suit ) >Chicago Art, Bullseye and the others you mentioned are machine rolled >glasses (single rolled) The only glass that is not rolled are the full antiques Maybe I should have stated this a bit differently. How about handcast? >Oh Please!... put on your asbestos suit Stephanie, here it comes :-)... >Thats a stretch if ever heard one. Would you have me believe that garden >stones will some day take their rightful place alongside SG windows and >lamps? Sounds like the thrust of your gushy commentary and sappy imagery is >to juice up people to buy more materials to make more garden stones. Nothing >wrong with pushing the latest novelty item, strike while the iron is hot I >always say... Anything is possible. There's a gentleman in Hawaii who creates stones that are to die for. His glass selection and workmanship are both impeccable and inspiring. Like anything else, it's about perception and appreciation which boil to education. My original intent wasn't to "push a novelty"; simply share impressions that I've encountered. After talking with a variety of people, both on the internet and in person, it's amazing the number of individuals who truly think and feel this way about glass. Yes, it may sound sappy, but in the interest of sharing information freely, I'm just trying to offer a different perspective. >IMHO this thread belongs on rec.crafts not on bungi, why? >because it does nothing to encourage or elevate the art form, and you wonder >why arts councles refuse to admit SG entries into shows. This list has the >potential to be the premier source of SG information on the internet, >unfortunatly protracted discussions full of misinformation, speculation and >bad guesses about mundane topics do nothing to encourage the participation >of professionals and experts who I know are more then willing to help folks >elevate their skills in all areas. There is access to info on this list that >is darn near impossible to get anywhere else because it is given freely, not >self serving and there is no profit motive. Point taken. It's my impression that bungi.com is comprised of a wide diversity of individuals with a common interest....enjoyment and appreciation of glass regardless of whether it's a craft or an art form. I've always felt that glass should be considered one of the finer arts, but that doesn't mean that everyone who creates with glass wants to be an artist. It's in our time that studio glass has become more recognized as an art. It's with the advent of individuals like Dale Chihuly, that glass has come to the forefront, and you can't tell me that he isn't the king of marketing. Marketing isn't just presentation, but also education. If there are experts and professionals willing to share freely and without personal gain, they should just jump right in. We all put our pants on the same way; one leg at a time. They all have had to start at the beginning; the main difference is that they were fortunate enough to have mentors who supported them with instruction, encouragement and criticism along the way. On a side note, who's fooling who here? As an expert/professional offering information, don't you think that with the recognition and perception will spur an increase of demand and appreciation for their work and translate into profit and personal gain? Sounds like marketing to me. (Taking asbestos suit off). Len, I've always enjoyed your witty and thought provoking rebuttals (never thought I'd be on the receiving end, but enjoyed it nonetheless). Thanks to individuals like yourself, we are all challenged to toe the line. Stephanie ______________________________________________________________________ ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass 2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) 1-517-482-4028 (International) _____________________________________________________________________ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 13:12:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.121141.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk do you set the glass into the surface of the wet concrete or do you place it in the mould then pour in the wet concrete? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 13:18:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!OGOrig From: OGOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.12186.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Len, Sorry but now I have to stop lurking and put my $.02 in. Some of us who enjoy reading bungi.com are not "professionals and experts", yet. I I enjoy and appreciate the information that is freely given by the professionals and experts. It's terrific that they are so willing to share with everyone. But I don't want to have to temper all of the questions I might ask by wondering if it's worthy of wasting their time with "mundane subjects". Lighten up, please. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 13:51:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707152050.QAA09490@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk AH!!!! More bout stepping stones. Really is there anymore? Maybe someone who has all of the messages could condense them...send them once and then discuss this. I think the porblem is that it is all over the place and as I can see another new person has asked once again for someone to send them detailed instructions. someone wrote... > >>It's simply a matter of educating them on this new media.>> This is definitely not new by any means. Lots of Italian mosaics out there. And in Europe they are everywhere. Len wrote, <,. This list has the >potential to be the premier source of SG information on the internet, >unfortunatly protracted discussions full of misinformation, speculation and >bad guesses about mundane topics do nothing to encourage the participation >of professionals and experts who I know are more then willing to help folks >elevate their skills in all areas. There is access to info on this list that >is darn near impossible to get anywhere else because it is given freely, not >self serving and there is no profit motive. >> I don't know about misinformation as I haven't read the messages..................I see stepping stones and delete the majority of them. But I will add that this topic is getting a bit mundane and if there was a way for someone to put it all in one message and get on with it I am sure this will work. Stephanie wrote, she has the directions but sells them at shows????? well guess what....your stained glass friends really want some direction and if your has a price tag on it.......................may I ask why? my best, pj (who knows where the delete button is) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 13:58:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:56:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.65652.0> References: <<1997Jul15.12186.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk OGOrig@aol.com wrote: > Len, > > Sorry but now I have to stop lurking and put my $.02 in. > > Some of us who enjoy reading bungi.com are not "professionals and > experts", > yet. I I enjoy and appreciate the information that is freely given by > the > professionals and experts. It's terrific that they are so willing to > share > with everyone. But I don't want to have to temper all of the > questions I > might ask by wondering if it's worthy of wasting their time with > "mundane > subjects". > > Lighten up, please. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have been creating Stained Glass since 1970 give or take the time off to have children. I consider myself a professional even though I don't have a business at the moment. I agree with the comment below. Sorry if all the questions I have been asking about stepping stones has been bothersome to some. I am how ever going to take on a extremely large project and want to have my --- covered, it's my backyard and yes I will have to live with it. I'm adding my $.02 which now equals $.04 Melissa 8^) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 14:14:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:10:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.71039.0> References: <<1997Jul15.121141.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mnowicki@aol.com wrote: > do you set the glass into the surface of the wet concrete or do you > place it > in the mould then pour in the wet concrete? >From what I understand...I haven't made one yet is: You cut the glass then use clear contact paper on the front or facing, then you lay that in your mold and pour topping mix(?) over that and "shake" or rather tap out the bubbles then put a piece of chicken wire (to fit ) for reinforcement and pour in regular cement, level that off, let it cure for 2-3 days and remove from mold and clean up. Hope this helps, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 16:18:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199707152316.SAA12135@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 04:04 PM 7/15/97 -0400, Delphi Stained Glass wrote: >Len, > >(Garbed in asbestos suit ) > > >> Sounds like the thrust of your gushy commentary and sappy imagery is >>to juice up people to buy more materials to make more garden stones. Nothing >>wrong with pushing the latest novelty item, strike while the iron is hot I >>always say... > >Anything is possible There's a gentleman in Hawaii who creates stones that >are to die for. His glass selection and workmanship are both impeccable and >inspiring. Like anything else, it's about perception and appreciation which >boil to education. Anything is possible? thats your answer? the guy in Hawaii didn't just come out of nowhere, what was his medium of choice before he jumped on the stepping stone bandwagon? > >My original intent wasn't to "push a novelty"; simply share impressions that >I've encountered. After talking with a variety of people, both on the >internet and in person, it's amazing the number of individuals who truly >think and feel this way about glass. Yes, it may sound sappy, but in the >interest of sharing information freely, I'm just trying to offer a different >perspective. I might be willing to buy that if you posted just as Stephanie not as Delphi > > It's my impression that bungi.com is comprised of a wide >diversity of individuals with a common interest....enjoyment and >appreciation of glass regardless of whether it's a craft or an art form. I agree completely > >I've always felt that glass should be considered one of the finer arts, but >that doesn't mean that everyone who creates with glass wants to be an >artist. It's in our time that studio glass has become more recognized >as an art. It's with the advent of individuals like Dale Chihuly, that >glass has come to the forefront, and you can't tell me that he isn't the >king of marketing. Marketing isn't just presentation, but also education. Sorry, but IMHO everybody that creates is an artist Hey we all know artists that do better work then the stuff hanging in galleries and we all know musicians that play better then the stuff on records. So why do some make it? well I believe (aside from luck) that talent is a little kids word and production is the adult equivelent and it's about drive and ambition and self assuredness >On a side note, who's fooling who here? As an expert/professional offering >information, don't you think that with the recognition and perception will >spur an increase of demand and appreciation for their work and translate >into profit and personal gain? Sounds like marketing to me. Yeah, but you can never be too subtle ;-) > >(Taking asbestos suit off). > >Len, I've always enjoyed your witty and thought provoking rebuttals (never >thought I'd be on the receiving end, but enjoyed it nonetheless). Thanks to >individuals like yourself, we are all challenged to toe the line. Just trying to keep you honest :-) Take Care Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 16:18:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: reply to Len Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:16:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199707152316.SAA12130@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 12:34 PM 7/15/97 -0700, Josh Balloch wrote: > > >---------- >> From: len alcamo >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: More about stepping stones >> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 11:05 AM >> >> My goodness Len, a bit lofty aren't we. I think you are missing the >boat. You think steppng stones are just a fad, and they may well be, but I >for one certainly hope not. I can envision them in places like Buchart >Gardens. I'm sure way back when they started putting colored glass in >churches and lamps that people thought that was a waste of time, that it >would never work or stay around. The exact opposite I suspect. SG is a medium that deals with transmitted light, as soon as you limit its role to reflected light you have taken away its essence...its heart and soul. It then becomes just another material and looses its uniqueness.To me all the stepping stones in the world cannot equal the drama of light shining through even the humblest of suncatchers. I believe the cathedral builders realized this very early on and devoted what had to be a disproportionate amount of effort to the developement of the leaded glass windows... the most awe inspiring feature in any cathedral. My little stones are better than lawn >art where you see the fat ladies panties. I certainly hope so ;-) >from my lurking, you guys making windows and lamps are still learning about >stress points etc. because of the same concern. True some are, on the other hand some of us know about those technical aspects and are more then willing to educate others. I hope you are aware that there are master glass workers on this list, some with over 20 years experience I know of a lady in >California who does nothing but repair church window due to vandilism. She >has to go back and cover the window with bullet proof glass after she has >repaired them. That is a rather mundane subject but it's pertinent. I don't understand your point. Properly installed protective covering is an intergral part of a quality restoration effort As to >elevating the art form. We are in our infancy, we have to learn to crawl >before we can run. And I have had artists tell me I did not belong in the >craft section of Arts and Crafts shows, that I belonged in the art section. Hey, I love mutual admiration societies as much as the next guy, great motivation! :-) > Stephanie is not out to move a product Really, I wonder then why she posts on company time, uses Delphi Glass as her sig instead of her own name. One of the few if not the only listee that does so... curious >Just imagine the well established english gardens with walkways, pathways >and accents in pleasant peaceful stained glass scenes, that just happen to >be set in cement. I keep envisioning tree encroaching pathway to the beach >that bend and twists through the forest and at the bottom of a natural >step, a stepping stone with a picture (not mosaic) of seals basking in the >sun or seagulls flying into the sunset, or orca's sounding. I really think you should spend some time checking out mosaics This is a chat line for the pros I'm sorry but I have to disagree yet again. This is an e-mail list and the qaulity e-mail lists are administered in such a manner that beginner questions are usually addressed via personal e-mail, and to avoid redundancey it is recommended that people check the archives to find out if the information they are seeking is available there before they post to the list. IMHO a chat room is more of an open forum where anything goes. Well I enjoyed disagreeing with you. Keep up the enthusiasm and have fun :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 16:22:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: What? Who? stepping stones? Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:15:21 +0000 Message-ID: <199707152321.AAA02735@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Stretch...! 2 eyes opened! Carefully "lurking" with ONE eye open at all times. This is TOBY! Hi all, Elisabeth hasn't caught up yet.... ANYTHING that concerns stained glass is a valid point of discussion. It might bore some people to tears, but on the other hand it is a great source of inspiration for others. Let's just keep on remembering that Glass@Bungi has ARCHIVES, that surely - by now - must be bursting in its seams in treasures for the one who genuinely SEEKS. (HOORAY for Glenna!!!). The "Oldies" keep on answering the same questions over and over again. Please let us try and promote our ARCHIVES as well. They will provide 99 per cent of the answers to the FAQ's. But I must admit, I have never learnt so much about cement mixing and cement/sand/water ratio as I have in the subject of stepping stones.... The enthusiasm of the stepping-stone brigade has more or less persuaded me to experiment myself in MY garden and to incorporate it in the teaching of my next academic year.... Even the British Bulldog ought to be taught a new trick or two!!!! I am just an Old English Sheepdog - but if I can get any closer to digging up the newly planted fuschia and kill it off ( as I did last year) than I am DEFINITELY interested). As regards Elisabeth, she is in a peculiar sort of haze, mumbling something about a national syllabus she has to write for stained glass by end of Auigust. Now and then she mumbles about ARCHIVES. If you ask me - stepping stones are for stepping on - she has definitely gone doo-la-lee I am watching you... Toby you wrote:..... (snip) Point taken. It's my impression that bungi.com is comprised of a wide diversity of individuals with a common interest....enjoyment and appreciation of glass regardless of whether it's a craft or an art form. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 16:56:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Stephanie doesn't need my help but here it is anyway--Len Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: <16552102617830@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: len alcamo > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: More about stepping stones > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 4:16 PM > > At 04:04 PM 7/15/97 -0400, Delphi Stained Glass wrote: > >Len, > > > >(Garbed in asbestos suit ) > > > > > > > > > Anything is possible? thats your answer? the guy in Hawaii didn't just come > out of nowhere, what was his medium of choice before he jumped on the > stepping stone bandwagon? > What's that suppose to mean? > > > > > > I might be willing to buy that if you posted just as Stephanie not as Delphi > > > >She posted as Delphi in response to my inquiry, cause my email isn't working right and I appreciate that she had the forsight to contact me here. > > From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 18:47:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones books Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.174657.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone suggest some good books on making stained glass stepping stones? Or any other resources? Thanks! M. Nowicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 18:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reply to Len Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:57:23 +0000 Message-ID: <199707160150.VAA18196@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I don't understand your point. Properly installed protective covering is an > intergral part of a quality restoration effort Most high-end restoration leaves protective glazing out of the equation; it actually (usually) does more harm than good. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ [The Guild Library: Glass books!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 19:03:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:02:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.18241.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk With your potted plant drip catching molds, don't you have trouble with achieving a nice rounded smooth edge? Do you place the glass in the bottom of the mold and pour on the cement or press the glass into the wet cement? Thanks for your tips! M. Nowicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 19:08:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Glenna Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:05:28 -0700 Message-ID: <19071106018114@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I went to the archive page to find your composite on stepping stones, but I couldn't find anything but ads. How do you do it again, please. Also Glenna I would like to talk to you privately. How do I do that? And what is IMHO? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 19:08:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: pieces of glass stuck in concrete Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.18741.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I happen to be making them for my own pleasure and use. I think your comments are rude. This format is supposed to be for sharing ideas on creating art with glass. Discouraging others is really counter-productive. Your art may be only about making money, but mine is about much more. M. Nowicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 19:10:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:10:31 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: stepping stones books Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:08:16 -0700 Message-ID: <19100088418120@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Mnowicki@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: stepping stones books > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 6:46 PM > > Can anyone suggest some good books on making stained glass stepping stones? > Or any other resources? > > Thanks! > > M. Nowicki > ---- Go to http://www.warner-criv.com/ and look at an entry by Chris Jones owner of Wiley's Stained glass on 4/5/97. She gives the best explanation I have read to date. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 19:30:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Balloch-Stepping stone proceedure Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.182931.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am certainly interested in the creating of these stepping stones. As you say, you sell the instructions at your sales, and you are apprehensive about sharing online. Well, most of your customers at a craft fair are not the same craftspeople who are sharing info and helping each other online. That is the point of all of this, isn't it? Please share your procedure! Sincerely, M. Nowicki ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 19:41:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Mnowicki From: Mnowicki@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: archives Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.18410.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk How does one access the archives? Excuse me, I am new to this. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 20:03:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike & Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Oddjob cement mixer Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970716025903.0069e7f4@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Last night I taught a stepping stone class (9x9" brownie pan, choice of three very easy patterns 8 - 13 pieces) to 9 people (women and man) who have never touched a glass cutter or wet cement in their lives. Most of them were relatives and the rest friends, so I could boss them around pretty good. Needless to say, my helper and myself did a LOT of helping. They were hooked and now want to take a beginning stained glass class. It was great. I used the Oddjob cement mixer purchased at a Home Depot. It worked great. Took me a little time to get the mix right, but by the time I got to the cement mix it was working beautifully. Thank you to whoever gave me the name of the Oddjob Mixer. AND.... my tendonitis is getting better and is none the worse for wear after last nights class, thank you very much. Extra special thanks to everyone for the suggestions and their concerns. The last couple of days of lurking have been especially enjoyable with all the stepping stone stuff. There are several stepping stone books out. Check with your local glass shop, they should have the books and the instructions are very good. I like the little extra helpful hints on line. Amy - The Glass Goddess Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 20:10:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: archives Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:09:54 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "archives" on Jul 15, 22:41, Mnowicki@aol.com writes:] > How does one access the archives? Excuse me, I am new to this. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Please read the above.... -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 20:24:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dariece From: dariece@juno.com (Dariece G. McClure) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones books Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:29:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.172930.0> References: <<1997Jul15.174657.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Mnowicki@aol.com writes: >Can anyone suggest some good books on making stained glass stepping >stones? > Or any other resources? > >Thanks! > >M. Nowicki >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Tiffany Garden book 1 or 2. I think I prefer the 2nd as far as instruction goes. Dariece ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 20:24:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dariece From: dariece@juno.com (Dariece G. McClure) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reply to Len Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.1750.0> References: <<12362784117204@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ditto! Thanks Shirley. In addition, I would just like to say that I appreciate everyone's input on all subjects concerning stained glass whether prof. or beginner. Of course the prof. input is very educational and questions/comments from others gets me to thinking about other things on a bridge I may not have crossed yet. Dariece On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:34:41 -0700 "Josh Balloch" writes: > > >---------- >> From: len alcamo >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: More about stepping stones >> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 11:05 AM >> >> My goodness Len, a bit lofty aren't we. I think you are missing >the >boat. You think steppng stones are just a fad, and they may well be, >but I >for one certainly hope not. I can envision them in places like >Buchart >Gardens. I'm sure way back when they started putting colored glass in >churches and lamps that people thought that was a waste of time, that >it >would never work or stay around. We have the technology now to make >this a >growing part of our culture. We are at the hey what do you know >stage. >We're all beginners on this. Pros were beginners once themselves and >good >ones remember that and teach and share. This is a wonderful site! It >would be ashame to alienate the budding artists. I mean, I still >don't >understand Picaso, but hey lots do. My little stones are better than >lawn >art where you see the fat ladies panties. I get an awful lot of oose >and >awes. My only negative comments are people afraid they won't hold up. > And >from my lurking, you guys making windows and lamps are still learning >about >stress points etc. because of the same concern. I know of a lady in >California who does nothing but repair church window due to vandilism. > She >has to go back and cover the window with bullet proof glass after she >has >repaired them. That is a rather mundane subject but it's pertinent. >As to >elevating the art form. We are in our infancy, we have to learn to >crawl >before we can run. And I have had artists tell me I did not belong in >the >craft section of Arts and Crafts shows, that I belonged in the art >section. > Stephanie is not out to move a product. She helping us who have >faith in >this new media. >Just imagine the well established english gardens with walkways, >pathways >and accents in pleasant peaceful stained glass scenes, that just >happen to >be set in cement. I keep envisioning tree encroaching pathway to the >beach >that bend and twists through the forest and at the bottom of a natural >step, a stepping stone with a picture (not mosaic) of seals basking in >the >sun or seagulls flying into the sunset, or orca's sounding. The >possibilities are endless. This is a chat line for the pros and I >would >like to keep stepping/garden stones at that level! That's the reason >I'm >discussing it here instead of rec.craft. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 20:25:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: making stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20243529818272@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Mnowicki@aol.com > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: making stepping stones > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 7:02 PM > > With your potted plant drip catching molds, don't you have trouble with > achieving a nice rounded smooth edge? Do you place the glass in the bottom > of the mold and pour on the cement or press the glass into the wet cement? > > Thanks for your tips! Not once I started using a hand held back massager to vibrate the bubbles out. That helped a great deal. Then I strengthen the pre-mix with Portland Type 2 and 3 cement. This makes it as smooth as a baby's butt. And if there is an occassional air bubble, just wet a small amount of pure cement and rub it in and smooth with your fingers. Do it immediately after taking it out of the mold. Your edge won't be straight up and down, it is slanted so that the surface is 14"dia. and the bottom is 16" dia. and I have had positive feed back, back about this because people feel it is a slight theft deterant. You put your pattern in the bottom of the mold up-side-down (Welcome looks really strange), then put clear contact paper, sticky side up and lay your glass on top of the pattern. Try to do it in one effort. If your play with placing the glass, it will not stick as well as it could, and may cause your glass to float when you pour your concrete. If you want to save your pattern, be sure to take it out before you pour the concrete. As for tapping to get bubbles out it's only 30% as effective as the back massager. For me this is the most tedious part and is a real back breaker, but the more bubbles out, the stronger the stone and the less likely to allow moisture in, which is what causes the freeze/thaw damage that started all this discussion in the first place. I had a Portland Oregon city engineer examine my stones and told me that for not knowing what I am doing, I am doing a great job (his words not mine). Because I reinforce the premix with a small amount of Portland cement and I use fiber mesh. You get that at where they sell nothing but concrete. It looks like thick grey angel hair (the stuff you craft with at christmas time). You get 7 or 11 oz. for under $5.00 and that is enough to do 30 14" round stepping stones. So much cheaper and easier than chicken wire. I won't even want to discuss chicken wire it so awful. Imagine I made over 130 of these things before I discovered fiber mesh. When you make your first pour, make a slip of the pre-mix with the rocks sifted out (I use an old window screen). Pour just enough to be double the thickness of the glass. Don't worry, no need to be exact. Vibrate that down and watch it settle. Get all the bubbles out you can. Let it stand 5-15 minutes. The water will come to the top. Paper towel that off. Then make your pre-mix as directed, the dryer the better. Put in fiber mesh and again a little bit of Portland Type 1 and 2. Fill it almost to the rim. Concrete is very hard on your hands. I buy cheap garden gloves and line them with a pair of exam gloves (the thin plastic ones). The garden gloves will last about 10 stones. Pat the concrete into the mold. Vibrate again. Work on a level surface, where you can leave the stones to dry. The drip catcher molds will sag in the middle under the weigh of the concrete and this can cause the glass to float I don't understand waiting 3 days. Mine are ready to take out in 12 hours at a constant 75 and plus degrees. Or 15-17 hours in the 60's and 24 hours in the high 50's low 60's (degree). You have about 5 hours of being able to play with them. Before that they are too wet and will break after that you have to take a chisel to them. Again take them out where they are going to be left to dry. Turn them out, take the contact paper off and then take a wire brush to them and brush down to the glass. Don't worry about being gentle unless you are on the close side of the time frames. Have your hose ready and wash of the debri as you go. You want your stone spotlessly clean. Scum or what looks like dust is on forever. Not literally, of course erosion will eventually take it off. Put them so they are tilted and air can get underneath them as they are drying. So far knock on wood, I've been able to travel with them 2 days later. Experts say 30 days. I certainly tell my customers if they plan to use them in water to wait 30 days. Cement is cement. I made a head stone and the cemetry assured me that putting 2-4" thick concrete on 1 1/2 sand is the best protection for the concrete. My cemetry wouldn't allow the use unless their heavy equipment could run over them. They planted two of my stones and ran over them with a 2 ton truck and they did very well. So walking on them and normal use won't hurt them. But good old mother nature will. I've got some great tips here the last few days as to protecting the stones from her. As for mixing the concrete, it is hard work any way you do it. Concrete is like making fudge. The consistency depends alot on the weather. There is an awful lot of trial and error. Any design you can put in a suncatcher or small window can go into a stone. Beneifits of working in the stone. NO FOILING! If you break a peice, sometimes you can scotch tape it together and the crack is unnoticalbe .As long as it does not interfere with the placement of the piece, rough and slanted edges are a benifit. It keeps the glass in better. I know you are all going to scringe at this, but you can be a little sloppy As for the glass not having any life. That simply is not true. The prettiest thing I have made is a head shot of an eagle. I used an whispy white and the grey concrete shined through making the glass look like feathers, very similiar it if it had been put in a window. I have used alligator glass (the clear stuff with the air bubbles in it ) on a Koi piece and the effect was great. For me that is the most fun, cause no matter how much you plan, you are usually surprized by the outcome. I've only been disappointed once. I used a clear dark red. It died. Reds need to be bright. Colors need to be primary. They have to complete with mother nature, and the sunlight is so bright, that the true color can only be seen in the shade. Most popular stones are tulips, hands down, tulips. Those are most of my secrets. Have fun. Make lots of em. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 21:18:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: concentric.net!shmfcoop From: "Meigan F. Cooper" To: Bungi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Website Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:16:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.171636.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I recently had a problem with my computer and I lost all my website addresses. If anyone knows the website address for Glass Patterns Quarterly - please let me know. A search on Yahoo! came up empty. Thanks!! Meigan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 21:31:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gr.cns.net!pristine From: mcFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Albert's reply to Len Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:31:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.203146.0> References: <<199707160150.VAA18196@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert. Try explaining this one: Albert Lewis wrote: > Most high-end restoration leaves protective glazing out of the > equation; it actually (usually) does more harm than good. Here's what (little) I know. Most protective glazing is(was) installed with a nearly airtight seal. Inadequate ventilation doesn't allow moisture to escape and traps heat. A study done by Neil Vogel(chicago) showed high temperatures of 180 degrees between stained glass and protective glazing. This remained relatively constant from Maine to Florida all year long. The study was done by monitors placed inside nearly one hundred windows. BTW: I believe Neil spoke @ "Restoration Chicago" last year and the official results of these findings may have been released. I've heard of Isothermic installations where temperature is controlled on all sides of an installation. Heat and the co-efficient of expansion can litterally destroy an improperly set window. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 21:45:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Fishbait To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Glass Patterns Quarterly Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970715214553.0069e870@televar.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glass Patterns Quarterly can be reached at: http://www.glasspatterns.com/ Bonnie Clark ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 21:45:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.204529.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk With such interest in the subject I am offering a free stepping stone pattern (it could also be used for a flat glass panel for anyone offended by imbedding glass in concrete) of a fat lady bending over in her garden showing her panties, to anyone sending their mailing address to: dglswrks@aol.com No e-mail addresses please as I have a hard enough time working this darn thing as it is. Kitsch lives! Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 21:49:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: beachaccess.com!ncscoutr From: "VALERIE PHELPS" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:41:56 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.74156.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Beach Access BBS Precedence: bulk To LEN: Well..! To STEPHANIE: Well, well..! Nicely parried, Steph! V T Phelps Shoreline Glassworks, Ltd. >Len, > >(Garbed in asbestos suit ) > >>Chicago Art, Bullseye and the others you mentioned are machine rolled >>glasses (single rolled) The only glass that is not rolled are the full antiques > >Maybe I should have stated this a bit differently. How about handcast? > > >>Oh Please!... put on your asbestos suit Stephanie, here it comes :-)... >>Thats a stretch if ever heard one. Would you have me believe that garden >>stones will some day take their rightful place alongside SG windows and >>lamps? Sounds like the thrust of your gushy commentary and sappy imagery is >>to juice up people to buy more materials to make more garden stones. Nothing >>wrong with pushing the latest novelty item, strike while the iron is hot I >>always say... > >Anything is possible. There's a gentleman in Hawaii who creates stones that >are to die for. His glass selection and workmanship are both impeccable and >inspiring. Like anything else, it's about perception and appreciation which >boil to education. > >My original intent wasn't to "push a novelty"; simply share impressions that >I've encountered. After talking with a variety of people, both on the >internet and in person, it's amazing the number of individuals who truly >think and feel this way about glass. Yes, it may sound sappy, but in the >interest of sharing information freely, I'm just trying to offer a different >perspective. > >>IMHO this thread belongs on rec.crafts not on bungi, why? >>because it does nothing to encourage or elevate the art form, and you wonder >>why arts councles refuse to admit SG entries into shows. This list has the >>potential to be the premier source of SG information on the internet, >>unfortunatly protracted discussions full of misinformation, speculation and >>bad guesses about mundane topics do nothing to encourage the participation >>of professionals and experts who I know are more then willing to help folks >>elevate their skills in all areas. There is access to info on this list that >>is darn near impossible to get anywhere else because it is given freely, not >>self serving and there is no profit motive. > >Point taken. It's my impression that bungi.com is comprised of a wide >diversity of individuals with a common interest....enjoyment and >appreciation of glass regardless of whether it's a craft or an art form. > >I've always felt that glass should be considered one of the finer arts, but >that doesn't mean that everyone who creates with glass wants to be an >artist. It's in our time that studio glass has become more recognized >as an art. It's with the advent of individuals like Dale Chihuly, that >glass has come to the forefront, and you can't tell me that he isn't the >king of marketing. Marketing isn't just presentation, but also education. > >If there are experts and professionals willing to share freely and without >personal gain, they should just jump right in. We all put our pants on the >same way; one leg at a time. They all have had to start at the beginning; >the main difference is that they were fortunate enough to have mentors who >supported them with instruction, encouragement and criticism along the way. > >On a side note, who's fooling who here? As an expert/professional offering >information, don't you think that with the recognition and perception will >spur an increase of demand and appreciation for their work and translate >into profit and personal gain? Sounds like marketing to me. > >(Taking asbestos suit off). > >Len, I've always enjoyed your witty and thought provoking rebuttals (never >thought I'd be on the receiving end, but enjoyed it nonetheless). Thanks to >individuals like yourself, we are all challenged to toe the line. > >Stephanie >______________________________________________________________________ > > ** E-mail: delphigl@voyager.net >Delphi Stained Glass ** WWW: http://www.voyager.net/delphiglass >2116 E. Michigan Ave. ** Voice: 1-800-248-2048 (USA,Canada) >Lansing, MI 48912 ** 1-517-482-2617 (International) >USA ** Fax: 1-800-748-0374 (USA,Canada) > 1-517-482-4028 (International) >_____________________________________________________________________ > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > * JDS Mail & News ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Jul 15 21:58:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: montana.com!chip3 From: Phil Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:54:17 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Jul15.155417.0> References: <<199707151805.NAA07258@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Chip3 Video Precedence: bulk Hey Len, Having a bad hair day? T. in Montana len alcamo wrote: > > >As for the glass, the "art"-ier glasses like Youghiogheny, Chicago Art > >Glass, Bullseye, Uroboros, are more temperamental and it's my experience > >that these glasses are more inclined to just break on their own at any given > >time; it's just the nature of the beast. I'm not suggesting that you don't > >use them, just be aware. > > > >The most stable glasses seem to be the machine rolled ones -- Spectrum, > >Wissmach, Armstrong, etc. > > Chicago Art, Bullseye and the others you mentioned are machine rolled > glasses (single rolled) The only glass that is not rolled are the full antiques > > >It's simply a matter of educating them on this new media. > > New Media? Isn't this merely a minor variation of an ancient and noble art > form called mosaic? > > > > > >We all have to remember that we've grown up being told not to break windows > >(ie. glass). Does anyone here remember first breaking glass and the > >feelings that it evoked? I was just a teensy-weensy bit apprehensive. > >To date stained glass has been a visual art comprised of mainly windows and > >lamps (Again, your parents cautioned "don't touch" or "be careful -- it's > >GLASS"). Now imagine treading across them! Whispers of don't walk on > >broken glass, especially with your bare feet. > > Oh Please!... put on your asbestos suit Stephanie, here it comes :-)... > Thats a stretch if ever heard one. Would you have me believe that garden > stones will some day take their rightful place alongside SG windows and > lamps? Sounds like the thrust of your gushy commentary and sappy imagery is > to juice up people to buy more materials to make more garden stones. Nothing > wrong with pushing the latest novelty item, strike while the iron is hot I > always say... IMHO this thread belongs on rec.crafts not on bungi, why? > because it does nothing to encourage or elevate the art form, and you wonder > why arts councles refuse to admit SG entries into shows. This list has the > potential to be the premier source of SG information on the internet, > unfortunatly protracted discussions full of misinformation, speculation and > bad guesses about mundane topics do nothing to encourage the participation > of professionals and experts who I know are more then willing to help folks > elevate their skills in all areas. There is access to info on this list that > is darn near impossible to get anywhere else because it is given freely, not > self serving and there is no profit motive. > > Just my 0.02 worth > > Len > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 00:31:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: MAILER-DAEMON From: PMDF e-Mail Interconnect To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: MULTIPART/REPORT; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_++AkWnfhaKw6hdYTJ/kHjQ)" Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has failed Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 01:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul15.213236.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk --Boundary_(ID_++AkWnfhaKw6hdYTJ/kHjQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Message-id: <1997Jul15.1750.0@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:05:00 -0500 From: dariece@juno.com (Dariece G. McClure) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: reply to Len Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: 10EJ3GGJBLPV@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET Original address: 10EJ3GGJBLPV Reason: %MAIL-E-USERDSABL, user 10EJ3GGJBLPV cannot receive new mail --Boundary_(ID_++AkWnfhaKw6hdYTJ/kHjQ) Content-type: message/DELIVERY-STATUS Original-envelope-id: 01ILABK12YE896Z2TD@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET Reporting-MTA: dns; MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 (%MAIL-E-USERDSABL, user 10EJ3GGJBLPV cannot receive new mail) Original-recipient: rfc822;10EJ3GGJBLPV Final-recipient: rfc822;10EJ3GGJBLPV@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET --Boundary_(ID_++AkWnfhaKw6hdYTJ/kHjQ) Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Return-path: glass@bungi.com Received: from MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-8 #10044) id <01ILABNS51B496YYQO@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> (original mail from glass@bungi.com); Wed, 16 Jul 1997 01:32:36 EDT Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-8 #10044) id <01ILABM6H8RK96YZZ0@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for 10EJ3GGJBLPV@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 01:18:20 EDT Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net by MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-8 #10044) with SMTP id <01ILABK0RQCS96Z2TD@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> for dig1@mci2000.com; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 01:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6784 invoked by uid 0); Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:10:00 +0000 Received: from glass@bungi.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Tue Jul 15 23:09:59 1997 Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by richmond.freedomnet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA11228 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:24:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:05:00 -0500 From: dariece@juno.com (Dariece G. McClure) Subject: Re: reply to Len To: glass@bungi.com Reply-to: glass@bungi.com Message-id: <1997Jul15.1750.0@MAIL-CLUSTER.PCY.MCI.NET> X-Envelope-to: 10EJ3GGJBLPV MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Visited: FreedomNet, Your Full Service Internet Provider (http://www.freedomnet.com) X-Path: juno.com!dariece References: <<12362784117204@netbridge.net>> Ditto! Thanks Shirley. In addition, I would just like to say that I appreciate everyone's input on all subjects concerning stained glass whether prof. or beginner. Of course the prof. input is very educational and questions/comments from others gets me to thinking about other things on a bridge I may not have crossed yet. Dariece On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:34:41 -0700 "Josh Balloch" writes: > > >---------- >> From: len alcamo >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: More about stepping stones >> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 11:05 AM >> >> My goodness Len, a bit lofty aren't we. I think you are missing >the >boat. You think steppng stones are just a fad, and they may well be, >but I >for one certainly hope not. I can envision them in places like >Buchart >Gardens. I'm sure way back when they started putting colored glass in >churches and lamps that people thought that was a waste of time, that >it >would never work or stay around. We have the technology now to make >this a >growing part of our culture. We are at the hey what do you know >stage. >We're all beginners on this. Pros were beginners once themselves and >good >ones remember that and teach and share. This is a wonderful site! It >would be ashame to alienate the budding artists. I mean, I still >don't >understand Picaso, but hey lots do. My little stones are better than >lawn >art where you see the fat ladies panties. I get an awful lot of oose >and >awes. My only negative comments are people afraid they won't hold up. > And >from my lurking, you guys making windows and lamps are still learning >about >stress points etc. because of the same concern. I know of a lady in >California who does nothing but repair church window due to vandilism. > She >has to go back and cover the window with bullet proof glass after she >has >repaired them. That is a rather mundane subject but it's pertinent. >As to >elevating the art form. We are in our infancy, we have to learn to >crawl >before we can run. And I have had artists tell me I did not belong in >the >craft section of Arts and Crafts shows, that I belonged in the art >section. > Stephanie is not out to move a product. She helping us who have >faith in >this new media. >Just imagine the well established english gardens with walkways, >pathways >and accents in pleasant peaceful stained glass scenes, that just >happen to >be set in cement. I keep envisioning tree encroaching pathway to the >beach >that bend and twists through the forest and at the bottom of a natural >step, a stepping stone with a picture (not mosaic) of seals basking in >the >sun or seagulls flying into the sunset, or orca's sounding. The >possibilities are endless. This is a chat line for the pros and I >would >like to keep stepping/garden stones at that level! That's the reason >I'm >discussing it here instead of rec.craft. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass --Boundary_(ID_++AkWnfhaKw6hdYTJ/kHjQ)-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 04:22:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Albert's reply to Len Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:28:29 +0000 Message-ID: <199707161121.HAA27042@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Albert. > Try explaining this one: > Most protective glazing is(was) installed with a nearly airtight seal. > Inadequate ventilation doesn't allow moisture to escape and traps heat. > A study done by Neil Vogel(chicago) showed high temperatures of 180 > degrees between stained glass and protective glazing. ... etc. Yes, Vogel got a grant from the National Park Service to do this study, but fell from their good graces when it was discovered that even his application's language had been plagiarized from Julie Sloan's "Conservation of Stained Glass in America." They let him proceed with the "study," although under careful supervision. The so-called study's been highly touted by the Stained Glass Association of America, which has long repudiated nearly everything Sloan has said (she's a *girl!), but now embraces the same things coming from a man's mouth. I say "so-called" because the preservation community's reaction to the study has been that it's profoundly flawed, uses too small a sample as its basis, etc. Your other comments: isothermal glazing is used in museum settings; I've seen only a single "church" using it and that one in Switzerland and it was more of a museum than a church, since it had no clergy nor community but only a curator. You're right (and Vogel's right - Sloan's book and her articles preceding its publication said the same thing): protective glazing installed with an airtight seal creates conditions detrimental to stained glass for the reasons you give. But the coefficient of expansion is unimportant. This is an old saw yet to be laid to rest. Even if the ambient temperature were to rise to 500 degrees, the amount of expansion in the glass and structure of a window would be infinitesimally small ... nearly unmeasurably small, in fact. It's the trapped moisture in unventilated protective glazing that does the harm by corroding the lead (or zinc or copper) came, thus allowing the window to "disassemble" itself. The outcry 10-15 years ago among old-line studios when Sloan pointed out that protective glazing was harmful to stained glass windows (as it was being installed at the time) -- since for many studios its installation was the bread-and-butter work that kept them alive (although many of them called it "restoration," even though applying protective glazing is like putting a bandaid on a broken arm and calling it surgery) quieted down after they actually *read the articles (and book) and realized that Sloan had said its harmful effects could be minimized or even fully ameliorated by properly ventilating it. Of course, as said, the fact that a mere woman had said all of that couldn't be admitted to by as patriarchal (read "old boy") organization as the Stained Glass Association of America, so they're finding as many men as they can to say the same thing, thus allowing them to embrace it as "gospel." So what else is new? What does Sloan think about all of this? Her aim in life is to protect and preserve America's heritage glass, so however it comes to be that it's protected and preserved is immaterial to her. If the SGAA wants to take credit for everything, that suits her fine ... as long as the windows are preserved, that's all she wants. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ [The Guild Library: Glass books!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 05:46:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Face to Face vs. E-mail Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:46:15 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.44615.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bungians, I have been reading the bickering about the stepping stones (craft or = crap) and folks' motives for posting. I think we (all of us, me too) = edit what we say orally much better than what we say electronically. = Some of the things I see in print, I know most folks wouldn't have said = face to face because they would have to deal directly with an angry or = hurt individual. Having been a recipient of one of these tirades, I = suggest we delete the "critical" key from our keyboard and juice up the = "helpful" key, even if that means grin and bear it. It doesn't matter = whether you like or respect someone's project or not, just offer = techniques and assistance if you can. There, I'm finished. Now, I'm = going to let this thing sit on my screen for an hour or two to see if I = really want to send it. Well, here it goes - half hour was enough, and yes, I did edit it before = hitting the "send" key. I hope I'm taken as a mean it, constructively, = because I really do enjoy you guys and gals and hate to see any = meanness. I can argue with my co-workers but bungi is the only way I can = be involved in glass and wonderful glass people while I'm at work.=20 Linda Campbell Suffolk, VA=20 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 05:57:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: injersey.com!psgs From: Prism Studio To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:44:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.14450.0> References: <<1997Jul15.204529.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Prism Stained Glass Studio Precedence: bulk Dione wrote: > > Kitsch lives! > How true! For many of us trying to make a living from glass, kitsch is the only thing preventing us from becoming "starving artists" once again. > With such interest in the subject I am offering a free stepping stone > pattern (it could also be used for a flat glass panel for anyone > offended by imbedding glass in concrete) of a fat lady bending over in > her garden showing her panties, > ...But Dione, this is stooping pretty low! -Vernon Prism Studio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 06:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 08:48:46 EDT Message-ID: <970716.085941.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1997Jul15.65652.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In one of my lives, I am a math teacher. As far as I am concerned, there is no question too simple or mundane. If someone wants to know, it's important. (Even if you don't do stepping stones now, maybe you will in a couple years...and you better hope that people aren't disillusioned by them because the problems haven't been discussed and solved). In another life, I am a library tech (see sig file) and, let me tell you, archives are enough to drive me batty. I'd rather ask a quick question than search forever. Here's a stepping stone question...I've seen people who color their concrete...and they have colors I've never seen in Home Depot, or the local cement store (like blue). What do you use? What kind of measurement do you use? How does it affect the strength of the concrete? Speaking of measurement...how do you measure your concrete so you don't end up with waste? I think the books talk about weight, but has anyone converted that into rough measurements (i.e. cups for the US?) for the bricks or hexagons? (Yeah, I need to do something under my clothes line...) -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 06:08:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New Common Ground Issue Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707161307.JAA20754@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Congratulations to those responsible for the New issue of Common Ground. What a neat way to make patterns available for those who need them. And the topic of stepping stones too!!! And I really enjoyed the articles on G.A.S. Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next issue. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 06:32:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:32:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: New Common Ground Issue Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707161332.JAA24045@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >To: glass@bungi.com >From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) >Subject: New Common Ground Issue > >Congratulations to those responsible for the New issue of Common Ground. > >What a neat way to make patterns available for those who need them. >And the topic of stepping stones too!!! > >And I really enjoyed the articles on G.A.S. > >Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next issue. > >my best, >pj > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 06:38:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@BUNGI.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Reading List Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707161337.JAA24846@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dani, Thank you for the reading list. It is greatly appreciated. my best, pj ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 07:07:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaly From: "Suzanne Haley" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stepping Stones--to the point where I hesitate opening file! Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 06:53:43 PST Message-ID: <9706168690.AA869061795@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dialog is being destructive instead of constructive -- appears to becoming too personal. I enjoy making stepping stones (strengthen with fiber not wire in cold areas). In fact, have an order for 24 (16" and 18") due in Carmel by this Saturday @ $65-$75 each. They retail at $125. Also three custom @ $80 retailing at $140. Make our own wood frames -- lined with contact paper (cut to fit exactly), spray with Pam or Vaseline. Using plastic or Saran wrap can leave lines. (You can buy precut plywood rounds in various sizes at Home Depot. Use bender board for the sides making sure you squeeze glue into the joint (seam), smooth so seam will not show on cement. I am not hung up on stepping stones -- also enjoy fusing and creating borders, etc. for stained glass pieces. Firmly believe all are ART. Have a great day. Suzanne Haley shaley@mfi.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: reply to Len Author: glass@bungi.com at Internet Date: 7/15/97 4:32 PM At 12:34 PM 7/15/97 -0700, Josh Balloch wrote: > > >---------- >> From: len alcamo >> To: glass@bungi.com >> Subject: Re: More about stepping stones >> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 1997 11:05 AM >> >> My goodness Len, a bit lofty aren't we. I think you are missing the >boat. You think steppng stones are just a fad, and they may well be, but I >for one certainly hope not. I can envision them in places like Buchart >Gardens. I'm sure way back when they started putting colored glass in >churches and lamps that people thought that was a waste of time, that it >would never work or stay around. The exact opposite I suspect. SG is a medium that deals with transmitted light, as soon as you limit its role to reflected light you have taken away its essence...its heart and soul. It then becomes just another material and looses its uniqueness.To me all the stepping stones in the world cannot equal the drama of light shining through even the humblest of suncatchers. I believe the cathedral builders realized this very early on and devoted what had to be a disproportionate amount of effort to the developement of the leaded glass windows... the most awe inspiring feature in any cathedral. My little stones are better than lawn >art where you see the fat ladies panties. I certainly hope so ;-) >from my lurking, you guys making windows and lamps are still learning about >stress points etc. because of the same concern. True some are, on the other hand some of us know about those technical aspects and are more then willing to educate others. I hope you are aware that there are master glass workers on this list, some with over 20 years experience I know of a lady in >California who does nothing but repair church window due to vandilism. She >has to go back and cover the window with bullet proof glass after she has >repaired them. That is a rather mundane subject but it's pertinent. I don't understand your point. Properly installed protective covering is an intergral part of a quality restoration effort As to >elevating the art form. We are in our infancy, we have to learn to crawl >before we can run. And I have had artists tell me I did not belong in the >craft section of Arts and Crafts shows, that I belonged in the art section. Hey, I love mutual admiration societies as much as the next guy, great motivation! :-) > Stephanie is not out to move a product Really, I wonder then why she posts on company time, uses Delphi Glass as her sig instead of her own name. One of the few if not the only listee that does so... curious >Just imagine the well established english gardens with walkways, pathways >and accents in pleasant peaceful stained glass scenes, that just happen to >be set in cement. I keep envisioning tree encroaching pathway to the beach >that bend and twists through the forest and at the bottom of a natural >step, a stepping stone with a picture (not mosaic) of seals basking in the >sun or seagulls flying into the sunset, or orca's sounding. I really think you should spend some time checking out mosaics This is a chat line for the pros I'm sorry but I have to disagree yet again. This is an e-mail list and the qaulity e-mail lists are administered in such a manner that beginner questions are usually addressed via personal e-mail, and to avoid redundancey it is recommended that people check the archives to find out if the information they are seeking is available there before they post to the list. IMHO a chat room is more of an open forum where anything goes. Well I enjoyed disagreeing with you. Keep up the enthusiasm and have fun :-) Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 07:10:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: RJF2.RJF.COM!BETTY_HALL From: BETTY_HALL@RJF2.RJF.COM (BETTY HALL) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Enlighten us Date: 16 Jul 97 10:11:00 EDT Message-ID: <63D0CC33015D3179@-SMF-> References: <<63D0CC33025D3179@-SMF->> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk OK PJ, what the heck is Common Ground? Betty ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 07:11:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Glenna Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:05:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.6527.0> References: <<19071106018114@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Josh Balloch wrote: > > Hi, I went to the archive page to find your composite on stepping stones, > but I couldn't find anything but ads. How do you do it again, please. > Also Glenna I would like to talk to you privately. How do I do that? > And what is IMHO? In My Humble Opinion ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 07:17:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:16:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Website Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:11:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.6118.0> References: <<1997Jul15.171636.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Meigan F. Cooper wrote: > > Hi, > > I recently had a problem with my computer and I lost all my website > addresses. If anyone knows the website address for Glass Patterns > Quarterly - please let me know. A search on Yahoo! came up empty. > Thanks!! Meigan > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i forget it off hand but goto to my links page, i just updated it yesterday. i think it's somthing like glasspatterns.com but i'd go to the link page anyway. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 07:36:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:30:46 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.63046.0> References: <<1997Jul16.14450.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Prism Studio wrote: > > Dione wrote: > > > > Kitsch lives! > > > How true! For many of us trying to make a living from glass, kitsch is > the only thing preventing us from becoming "starving artists" once > again. > > > With such interest in the subject I am offering a free stepping stone > > pattern (it could also be used for a flat glass panel for anyone > offended by imbedding glass in concrete) of a fat lady bending over in > her garden showing her panties, > > > ...But Dione, this is stooping pretty low! > > -Vernon > Prism Studio > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass but as far as novelty goes, i'd bet they'd sell like hot cakes. generally the people who buy's that stuff has a simple mind (i don't want to insult anyone one the list who may have one of these 'attractive' things though). i see people getting these to match the ones they already have, they're little humor section. the silly little lawn ornaments are pretty crazy. one house i've seen (painted pink BTW), had just about every little thing on their lawn, now grass, just rock, and plywood. another house lined their driveway and walkways with bowling pins, now that's tacky. so i think those things may sell, they're "simple" enough to understand. there would'nt be a need for shading or detail. or for that matter much glass at all. and it does'nt break any rules from the stained glass bible, they're stepping stones, they have they're own set of rules. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: 11 New Tip Pages, Pictures of my Lamp Lit, 1 New Box, Shopping Lists, and See My Bio with a picture of ME. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 08:22:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.11439.0> References: <<199707152050.QAA09490@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone: First, there are several methods for making the mosaic stepping stones. The ones where molds are sold require attention to positioning the glass in the mold using something like contact paper to ensure the glass pieces do not move when pouring the cement. The full directions are available in several SG books on the subject, i.e., Tiffany Mosaic Stepping Stones, or something like that. I have developed a method that uses the commercial stepping stones for $.99 cents, tile grout (non-sanded) and a tile admixture. The process is easy, my students love it, and the price is right. Since I live on Central Coast in California, I may not be able to know how they will stand up to a freeze-thaw cycle but at the recent county fair, they created quite a lot of interest. The most frequently asked question was, "Can you relly walk on that." All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is interested. Peggy (PJ from CA) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 08:30:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.72859.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'm working on dogs playing poker next. Do you think we'll be able to get that black velvet feel in glass? Don't know if you have followed the bashing and smashing going on in bungi for the past few days. This was my attempt to get a little levity into the situation! Hope you smiled! Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 08:30:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.73017.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Stooping pretty low!!!!!!! Forgot to mention you are very punny! Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 08:53:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: The meaning of stained glass?!? Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:49:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.54939.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wow, I leave for a few days and I have 100 messages from the bungi group...I figured we must have been doing some "in-depth" glass discussion! Looks like we had another one of "those" letters that bring out the response mode in even the quietest lurker. I wasn't going to respond...I downloaded and read mail last night, but it got to the point where I couldn't help myself. A lot of comments from a number of folks were worthy of praise in my book...I'll keep this as short as possible (or as I can). Len...I've always found your comments informative, however you seem to have a bite when dealing with other's opinions. In defense of your comments, it's quite an art to be able to emote a satirical wit via email, and I believe it's quite easy to be taken the wrong way. My general feeling about blasting someone in public (otherwise known as flaming in the cyber-world) is that it's in poor taste 98% of the time. I have rarely found the need to confront anyone in a crowd...one on one usually is more effective and I think this can apply to newsgroups & mail lists, as well as in "real life." Shirley... >We're all beginners on this. Pros were beginners once themselves and good >ones remember that and teach and share. This is a wonderful site! It >would be ashame to alienate the budding artists. I mean, I still don't >understand Picaso, but hey lots do. I agree completely & it's been one of the reasons I enjoy this mail list! Stephanie@delphi >It's my impression that bungi.com is comprised of a wide >diversity of individuals with a common interest....enjoyment and >appreciation of glass regardless of whether it's a craft or an art form. I believe that the majority of of the bungi group feel this way...it is a place for beginner & pro alike, as long as we're discussing glass. OGOrig... >But I don't want to have to temper all of the questions I >might ask by wondering if it's worthy of wasting their time with "mundane >subjects". The only questions that some feel waste time are ones that bungi.com "old-timers" have heard a thousand times before. Newsgroups have FAQs and the glass@ bungi.com mail list has an archive. It is proper netiquette to research these areas to see if your question has been asked and answered in the past. It is simply a way of showing respect to those who have been in the group the longest. PJ... >I see stepping stones and delete the majority of >them. But I will add that this topic is getting a bit mundane and if there >was a way for someone to put it all in one message and get on with it I am >sure this will work. I agree to a point...there are certain subjects that I have no interest in. I am bored with threads re: lampmaking. I usually delete them, but I do read (sometimes glance) them...I don't think they're a waste of bandwidth, I just don't do lamps and am not interested...I know there are a number of people here who love creating lamps so I just use my delete key to trash the message...I also agree the archive would be great if it were organized into dates AND subjects, but that would be a great deal of work at this point. Toby & Elisabeth... >ANYTHING that concerns stained glass is a valid point of discussion. >It might bore some people to tears, but on the other hand it is a >great source of inspiration for others. Toby has a great voice of reason for one so young ;-) Suzanne... >I am not hung up on stepping stones -- also enjoy fusing and creating >borders, etc. for stained glass pieces. Firmly believe all are ART. I agree wholeheartedly! I recently added stepping stones to my line and enjoy working with them as much as large panels or windows. Dorothy... I have use both the Quickrete cement coloring, available at home depot and Painted desert Mosaics colored topping mix, from Delphi...their Lupine blue was great! Both had instructions that worked. I found that I needed to add a bit more with the Quickrete brand...you simply add it to your water (I use a plastic gallon jug). When it comes to amounts of concrete I had to guesstimate the first time with my 8 inch stones. I mixed them up with 20 pounds of cement at a time to see how many I got out of it...I had to do the same with my 4 x 8 inch bricks. Hope this helps. Okay, this got a little long, but I hope I made myself clear without offending anyone, that wasn't my intention. If certain individuals feel that only certain topics, questions,or people should exist on the mail list, then perhaps they should contact Glenna with their concerns. Thanks for the soapbox, LJ __________________________________________________ LJ Maas, Owner & Artist can be reached at: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "unique creations in stained glass" OVER THE RAINBOW Web Design & Consulting "take a look at some of our client's pages!" ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 09:00:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: RJF2.RJF.COM!BETTY_HALL From: BETTY_HALL@RJF2.RJF.COM (BETTY HALL) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: 16 Jul 97 11:57:57 EDT Message-ID: <6FD0CC33015D3179@-SMF-> References: <<97F0CC3302BC6570@-SMF->> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes! I would like to recieve instructions on how to make these garden stones, and I'm sure many others would also be interested. Please forward them. Betty, Internal Audit, Ext. 4160 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 09:25:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:21:56 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.82156.0> References: <<1997Jul16.72859.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:28:59 -0400 (EDT) DGlswrks@aol.com writes: >I'm working on dogs playing poker next. Do you think we'll be able to >get >that black velvet feel in glass? Down here in the sticks, if you could incorporate Elvis or John Wayne with the black velvet look, you'd have a big seller!! I'm embarassed to admit that my mother-in-law gave me one of those cloth pictures of the dogs playing poker about 10 yrs ago. (I am a dog person, BUT.....I think I do have a little itty bit of taste.) After sitting in the plastic bag for a few years, we sold it at a yard sale. Couldn't believe someone actually paid money for it. We were going to give it away! (Now, if I can just get rid of those UGLY crocheted dolls (presently in the attic). My mother-in-law is just toooo generous. She sent me one because she knew I appreciated handmade things, so being polite, I told her I could tell an awful lot of work went into it, so she sent me TWO more. ARGH. Jerri ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 09:46:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.84219.0> References: <<1997Jul16.11439.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi PJ Peggy from Calif., I would like to have the 'pre-made' method for the stepping stones too. I don't have room or inclination to try mixing cement or mortar. I've thought that the easier way would be to use the pre-made stones, and glass glue, finishing with grout. Please send to me too. Lee Boe leestat7@home.com > I have developed a method that uses the commercial stepping stones for > $.99 cents, tile grout (non-sanded) and a tile admixture. The process is > easy, my students love it, and the price is right. Since I live on > Central Coast in California, I may not be able to know how they will stand > up to a freeze-thaw cycle but at the recent county fair, they created > quite a lot of interest. The most frequently asked question was, "Can you > really walk on that." > > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > interested. > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 09:53:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:52:45 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!OGOrig From: OGOrig@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.85232.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Dione, BIG smile. Thanks for the laughs. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 11:27:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: msn.com!jazzykid From: "Jill Medlyn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: RE: More about stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 18:22:30 UT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Please send me your information about new method...sounds intrigueing. jazzykid@msn.com ---------- From: Peggy W. Johnsen Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 11:14 AM To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Hi Everyone: First, there are several methods for making the mosaic stepping stones. The ones where molds are sold require attention to positioning the glass in the mold using something like contact paper to ensure the glass pieces do not move when pouring the cement. The full directions are available in several SG books on the subject, i.e., Tiffany Mosaic Stepping Stones, or something like that. I have developed a method that uses the commercial stepping stones for $.99 cents, tile grout (non-sanded) and a tile admixture. The process is easy, my students love it, and the price is right. Since I live on Central Coast in California, I may not be able to know how they will stand up to a freeze-thaw cycle but at the recent county fair, they created quite a lot of interest. The most frequently asked question was, "Can you relly walk on that." All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is interested. Peggy (PJ from CA) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 11:29:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netbridge.net!Balloch From: "Josh Balloch" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Peggy (PJfromCA) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:26:26 -0700 Message-ID: <11281462900040@netbridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > interested. > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > > Add me to the list, I'd love to be able to make my stepping stones without having to deal with concrete. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 13:38:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaly From: "Suzanne Haley" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re[2]: More about stepping stones Making molds Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 12:16:45 PST Message-ID: <9706168690.AA869084766@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Betty, Making your own molds, my way -- others might have shortcuts/better methods -- I would appreciate hearing positive feedback. 1. ROUND MOLD a. Wood -- purchase exterior grade plywood. We go to HOME DEPOT -- they have precut 10" 12" 14" 16" 20" 24" rounds. Saves time unless you have a friend or are able to cut your own rounds. I just bought a 10" round for $4.95 approx. b. Bender board, do not use wood not plastic as will stretch). Bender board is used between as edging between law and garden beds. Pick out as smooth a piece as possible, believe they come in six-foot lengths. Measure cir- cumference of round and cut bender board to that length. c. Throughly wet bender board (do not soak) and, if possible, have an extra set of hands available. d. Place round on the ground, bend bender board around the round, stapling or nailing as you go. Make sure the ends meet tightly. e. When dry, cut contact paper to fit bottom exactly and a second piece to line the inside of the bender board. Make sure there are not any folds -- if there are you will have lines in your stepping stone. Spray with Pam or Vaseline. 2. OVAL MOLDS -- same as above, but you would have to cut your own bottom and have two seams with the bender board. 3. HEXAGON AND SQUARE MOLDS a. Wood -- know exact measurments -- Home Depot will cut on the big saw the first cut free, each additional cut is fifty cents. Make sure you buy exterior plywood. Buy smooth, but cheap wood for the sides -- width to be one-half to one inch wider than desired thickness of finished stone. You can buy a cheap miter setup and saw to do corners. b. Go to "e" above. Using fused glass is beautiful as it gives you quite a different effect...very soft. A fused round or square border is unique, but would not suggest if going to have foot traffic. Good luck. Remember this is my way and works for me...hope I didn't leave anything else. Suzanne ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Author: glass@bungi.com at Internet Date: 7/16/97 11:57 AM Yes! I would like to recieve instructions on how to make these garden stones, and I'm sure many others would also be interested. Please forward them. Betty, Internal Audit, Ext. 4160 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 13:38:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mfi.com!shaly From: "Suzanne Haley" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re[2]: More about stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 12:32:37 PST Message-ID: <9706168690.AA869084865@mfi.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ Peggy CA Please include me. Thanks. Suzanne Haley shaley@mfi.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Author: glass@bungi.com at Internet Date: 7/16/97 10:29 AM Hi PJ Peggy from Calif., I would like to have the 'pre-made' method for the stepping stones too. I don't have room or inclination to try mixing cement or mortar. I've thought that the easier way would be to use the pre-made stones, and glass glue, finishing with grout. Please send to me too. Lee Boe leestat7@home.com > I have developed a method that uses the commercial stepping stones for > $.99 cents, tile grout (non-sanded) and a tile admixture. The process is > easy, my students love it, and the price is right. Since I live on > Central Coast in California, I may not be able to know how they will stand > up to a freeze-thaw cycle but at the recent county fair, they created > quite a lot of interest. The most frequently asked question was, "Can you > really walk on that." > > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > interested. > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 14:51:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New Common Ground Issue Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:58:08 +0000 Message-ID: <199707162150.RAA13788@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next issue. There's another issue!? Thanks. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 15:27:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Peggy (PJfromCA) Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: <199707162226.XAA11785@pluto.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi PJ, Would like to be in on the act too, please.. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 15:47:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: water.waterw.com!artglass From: artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Enlighten us Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199707162247.SAA11065@water.waterw.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Betty wrote, >OK PJ, what the heck is Common Ground? > > > > > > > >Betty > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Common Ground is the newsletter published by the International Guild of Glass artists. > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 18:33:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: netrox.net!athena From: "M.-J. Taylor" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: making stepping stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:01:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970716210124.006bf220@pop.netrox.net> References: <<20243529818272@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for sharing your experience! Cheers, M.-J. Josh wrote: >Not once I started using a hand held back massager to vibrate the bubbles >out. That helped a great deal. Then I strengthen the pre-mix with >Portland Type 2 and 3 cement. >Those are most of my secrets. Have fun. Make lots of em. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 19:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MBellonci From: MBellonci@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NOT About Stepping Stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.181017.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to get off this obviously HOT topic but I have a question about electroplating. Does anyone know where I can get some small pieces of stained glass electroplated for a reasonable price???? I've seen some pieces at arts (& crafts) shows and I like the finish for some pieces ie. christmas ormanents, angels etc. Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 19:40:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: injersey.com!psgs From: Vernon Brikowski To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NOT About Stepping Stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:26:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.152650.0> References: <<1997Jul16.181017.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Prism Stained Glass Studio Precedence: bulk I prefer a patina finish myself, but, I came across this plater and saved the info just in case: J & R Gold Plating, 1809 East Hennepin Avenue, Minneapolis 55413 (612) 331-7366. If you are doing a relatively few small objects, you might be able to do it yourself using plating kits that are available from a larger jewelers supply. If you need one let me know. I hope this is a bit of help to you. -Vernon MBellonci@aol.com wrote: > > Sorry to get off this obviously HOT topic but I have a question about > electroplating. Does anyone know where I can get some small pieces of > stained glass electroplated for a reasonable price???? I've seen some pieces > at arts (& crafts) shows and I like the finish for some pieces ie. christmas > ormanents, angels etc. > Thanks. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 20:11:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NOT About Stepping Stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:09:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.13913.0> References: <<1997Jul16.181017.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk MBellonci@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get some small pieces of > stained glass electroplated for a reasonable price???? I've seen some > pieces > at arts (& crafts) shows and I like the finish for some pieces ie. > christmas > ormanents, angels etc. > Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know where to in the Sacramento area, where are you? Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 20:14:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: ix.netcom.com!mthaxton From: Melissa Thaxton To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: NOT About Stepping Stones Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:12:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.131255.0> References: <<1997Jul16.152650.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Vernon Brikowski wrote: > I prefer a patina finish myself, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I made a very contemporary shoe box type of box with alot of solder overlays and I had it gold plated, it was beautiful! I would like to try the nichol plate to because as I understand it, it doesn't oxidize like plan un-patinaed solder. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 21:03:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: electroplating Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199707170402.VAA04963@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Check your phone book under plating, there should be several places, check with an auto parts place on where they get items "chromed", chances are good the company does chrome, nickel, and "brass". Good luck Sherry ---------------------------------- but I have a question about electroplating. Does anyone know where I can get some small pieces of stained glass electroplated for a reasonable price???? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 21:31:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!dariece From: dariece@juno.com (Dariece G. McClure) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: making stepping stones more saleable Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:39:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.183937.0> References: <<199707151315.JAA20481@vixa.voyager.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In regards to the question concerning how much cement - I have been making the 14"round stones. I use a 1 lb coffee can. I use 2 cans for topping and 3 cans for concrete. Dariece ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 22:33:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Electroplaters Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.213242.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I know of electroplaters in Billings, Montana or Minneapolis, Minnesota if anyone is interested. Billings: Classic Plating 2146 Old Hardin Road Billings, Montana 59101 (406) 259-5456 The Minneapolis company should be available from anyone who carries Glass Patterns Quarterly as they have advertised there in the past. Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 22:48:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!DGlswrks From: DGlswrks@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: PJ from CA Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul16.214716.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like to get the information about your mosaic on tile technique. Thanks for sharing your ideas and I hope I can do the same for you sometime. Dione ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Jul 16 22:52:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: montana.com!chip3 From: Phil Taylor To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Peggy (PJfromCA) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:47:50 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.164750.0> References: <<11281462900040@netbridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Chip3 Video Precedence: bulk Hi Josh, Me too. T. in Montana Josh Balloch wrote: > > > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > > interested. > > > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > > > > Add me to the list, I'd love to be able to make my stepping stones > without having to deal with concrete. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 03:41:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: concentric.net!shmfcoop From: "Meigan F. Cooper" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Peggy (PJfromCA) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 06:42:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Jul16.234242.0> References: <<1997Jul16.164750.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Phil Taylor wrote: > > Hi Josh, > Me too. T. in Montana > > Josh Balloch wrote: > > > > > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > > > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > > > interested. > > > > > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > > > > > > Add me to the list, I'd love to be able to make my stepping stones > > without having to deal with concrete. > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Me three please. Thanks! Meigan ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 05:16:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 05:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aec2.apgea.army.mil!lsburns From: lsburns@aec2.apgea.army.mil To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stepping Stone concrete proportions Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 08:10:56 EST Message-ID: <9706178691.AA869152651@aec-smtplink.apgea.army.mil> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi I did not see a response to the question about proportions of concrete and topping to the size of the molds used - I got this info from the Tiffany Garden books (and it it what I use): 16" hex 9lb. topping & 14 lb. concrete 4X8" brick 1.5 lb. topping & 2.5 lb. concrete 14" round 6 lb. topping & 14 lb. concrete 8X8 brick 3 lb. topping & 6 lb. concrete 1 measuring cup is approximately 1 lb. I add dry colored powder to the topping and reserve about 1/2 cup of it (dry - in a ziplock baggie) to mix later with water to fill in the holes when the stone gets turned out. I tried the liquid additive and decided it was too difficult to match the color when it came time to fill in the holes. I also make a Xerox of my pattern and use rubber cement to stick the glass pieces to that copy of my pattern to get the spacing right before I put the contact paper over it, then peel the pattern off from the back side. It only takes a few minutes longer to do this and I have never had my pieces of glass shift. This works for me. I think these stones are a blast to make and they are really beautiful. I have been enjoying the knowledge gained from this forum Thanks, Linda in Baltimore ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 05:49:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 05:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul17.22341.0> References: <<1997Jul15.204529.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My address is 801 Merry Lane Greenwood IN 46142 address it to Mary Austin I appreciate your willingness to share. Thanks On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:45:29 -0400 (EDT) DGlswrks@aol.com writes: >With such interest in the subject I am offering a free stepping stone >pattern >(it could also be used for a flat glass panel for anyone offended by >imbedding glass in concrete) of a fat lady bending over in her garden >showing >her panties, to anyone sending their mailing address to: > > dglswrks@aol.com > >No e-mail addresses please as I have a hard enough time working this >darn >thing as >it is. > >Kitsch lives! >Dione > > > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 05:49:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 05:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: New Common Ground Issue Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:25:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul17.22521.0> References: <<199707161307.JAA20754@water.waterw.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd be interested in finding out how to recieve these issues. Thanks in advance for the information. Mary diamonds@juno.com On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:07:59 -0400 (EDT) artglass@water.waterw.com (pj friend) writes: >Congratulations to those responsible for the New issue of Common >Ground. > >What a neat way to make patterns available for those who need them. >And the topic of stepping stones too!!! > >And I really enjoyed the articles on G.A.S. > >Keep up the great work. I look forward to the next issue. > >my best, >pj > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 06:42:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 06:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MBellonci From: MBellonci@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: NOT About Stepping Stones Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul17.5424.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa, Thanks, I forgot to mention that I'm in Orlando FL., but it's possible to ship smaller pieces (I think). I'm just beginning to investigate possibilities of electroplating, because I really like the look on certain pieces. ....(and yes, I do like the patina finish for some pieces too) MB ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 07:08:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mail1.ciwemb.edu!jewell From: "Connie Jewell" To: " " Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: 17 Jul 1997 10:02:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul17.6227.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ok am I the only one who doesn't know what "Common Ground" is? Please fill me in. Jewell jewell@mail1.ciwemb.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 07:42:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aec2.apgea.army.mil!lsburns From: lsburns@aec2.apgea.army.mil To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Common Ground web address Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 10:39:18 EST Message-ID: <9706178691.AA869161442@aec-smtplink.apgea.army.mil> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Common Ground is the quarterly magazine produced by the International Guild of Glass Artists Their web address is http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ Back issues, membership, etc. is available there. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 09:41:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tvutel.com!jandj From: Jackie To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:43:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Jul17.6439.0> References: <<1997Jul16.11439.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > Hi Everyone: First, there are several methods for making the mosaic > stepping stones. The ones where molds are sold require attention to > positioning the glass in the mold using something like contact paper to > ensure the glass pieces do not move when pouring the cement. The full > directions are available in several SG books on the subject, i.e., Tiffany > Mosaic Stepping Stones, or something like that. > > I have developed a method that uses the commercial stepping stones for > $.99 cents, tile grout (non-sanded) and a tile admixture. The process is > easy, my students love it, and the price is right. Since I live on > Central Coast in California, I may not be able to know how they will stand > up to a freeze-thaw cycle but at the recent county fair, they created > quite a lot of interest. The most frequently asked question was, "Can you > relly walk on that." > > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > interested. > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass I would like your instructions on making this type of stepping stone! Thanks Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 11:28:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: somtel.com!rickym From: "Maria Haley" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re:Stepping Stones Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:34:34 -0400 Message-ID: <199707171825.OAA12083@quint.somtel.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would also be very interested in your instructions! Please send me the directions for your method. It sounds very intriguing to me too!! Thanks for taking the time, Maria :-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 11:44:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!GlassMagic From: GlassMagic@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Free Fat Lady's Panty Pattern Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul17.104323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk the pattern you are offering sounds great, if it is not to much trouble please send to: Carolyn Mueller P.O. Box 1143 Forsyth, MO 65653 and thank you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 11:57:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 14:49:02 EDT Message-ID: <970717.145100.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<1997Jul17.6439.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk PJ- since you seem to have picqued a lot of interest, and if it isn't too long, perhaps you could post those instructions to the list... and then they'll go to the archives! -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 16:54:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: using zinc came and copper foil in window Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul17.155327.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Zinc adds more strength to the window than lead and if you have worked with Zinc it is not difficult certainly no more so than the brass that was suggested. I personally am tired of the brass look MEXICO has worked it to death, but that is just my opinion.I have done many entryways and I usually combine Zinc and lead, Zinc for the added strength and lead for the ease of use. Beveler4 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 17:14:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: prodigy.net!RATFINK From: "RATFINK" To: "glass list" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: vacation Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:05:50 -0700 Message-ID: <199707180008.UAA23930@mail1y-int.prodigy.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please take me off the list until August 7th, as I'm going on a long deserved vacation. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 19:42:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul17.18392.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you would be so kind as to add me to your list of persons requesting the instructions for the making of stepping stones. Thank you in advance. Bubstah@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Jul 17 21:02:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!LVbeatnik From: LVbeatnik@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: More about stepping stones Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 00:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul17.20129.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Please add me to the growing list of those who would like to know how you make your tiles. Thanks! Mimi ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 18 03:31:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 03:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Peggy (PJfromCA) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 06:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul18.2306.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Please add my name to the list also. Thank You, Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 18 06:25:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!Ensembles From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" To: "INTERNET:glass@bungi.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Common Ground Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul18.5246.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Common Ground:Glass is the magazine published by the International Guild = of Glass Artists (IGGA). It can be found in electronic format on the http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga web site. Check it out. Christie A. Wood Art Glass Ensembles, Inc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 18 06:41:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 06:40:36 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: fsg.prusec.com!CAVA From: Lucille Cava - 778-1932 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stepping stone Date: Fri Jul 18 06:40:31 1997 Message-ID: <97Jul18.093732edt.14722-2@prufire1.prusec.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Peggy, Hi! I am interested in your instructions on stepping stones as well. Can you please forward me a copy. Thanks. Lucille (cava@fsg.prusec.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 18 15:48:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gr.cns.net!pristine From: mcFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Mickey's reply to Albert's reply to Len Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul18.144629.0> References: <<199707161121.HAA27042@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > But the coefficient of expansion is unimportant. This is an old saw > yet to be laid to rest. Even if the ambient temperature were to rise > to 500 degrees, the amount of expansion in the glass and structure of > a window would be infinitesimally small ... nearly unmeasurably > small, in fact. It's the trapped moisture in unventilated protective > glazing that does the harm by corroding the lead (or zinc or copper) > came, thus allowing the window to "disassemble" itself. > I guessed expansion was the culprit in this case. What causes (vertical) buckling in windows? I've examined windows in stone and windows in steel which exhibit vertical folds as if they were squeezed tightly. The Fountain Street Church of Grand Rapids, MI is my case in point. These are 20 foot tall Paris & Wiley windows from the late '20's. Sagging is insignificant in this set. They are set in steel frames and are very tight sizes. The putty is very hard and removal is difficult. I thought the tight to the frame installation and the solid hard putty left no room for movement. I was taught to use foam backing in stone settings and seal breaking tape in steel and wood sashes to allow expansion and contraction. Are these methods just hype to separate the "conservationist" from the "repairman"? This job is a very important restoration and the installation method is the primary focus for conservation. disclaimer: my views are not necessarily those of my employer. http://www.cns.net/pristine http://www.grfn.org/~mickey ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 18 15:50:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: gr.cns.net!pristine From: mcFrenzy To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: another reply to Albert's reply to Len Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:50:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul18.14507.0> References: <<199707161121.HAA27042@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > What does Sloan think about all of this? No offense, Albert, but I would like to see Ms. Sloan subscribe to this list. :-) I would inundate her w/ ???'s. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Jul 18 20:03:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: compuserve.com!GreerStudios From: "Michael J. Greer" To: All Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Apprentice Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul18.19153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone- We've had a young man working for us for a couple of weeks who, unfortunately, is leaving us on August 9th to return to his home town. H= e would like to continue learning the stained glass trade at a professional= studio in Michigan - southwest corner. Anyone in that area looking for a= good apprentice? Contact me off-bungi and I'll give you details. Thank you! Best regards, Dani Greer Greer Gallery & Studios 603 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80905 (719)444-0409 web site http://eme.usa.net/greerstudios/ = e-mail GreerStudios@compuserve.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 03:59:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 03:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mickey's reply to Albert's reply to Len Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:06:46 +0000 Message-ID: <199707191059.GAA04312@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I guessed expansion was the culprit in this case. What causes (vertical) > buckling in windows? I've examined windows in stone and windows in steel > which exhibit vertical folds as if they were squeezed tightly. The > Fountain Street Church of Grand Rapids, MI is my case in point. These > are 20 foot tall Paris & Wiley windows from the late '20's. Sagging is > insignificant in this set. They are set in steel frames and are very > tight sizes. The putty is very hard and removal is difficult. You misunderstood me if you think expansion due to heat is a culprit of any kind. It has, in fact, very little (nothing) to do with windows' buckling, which is caused almost exclusively by gravity. I'll bet that the windows you mention above weren't properly supported. Sloan has told me about many installations where the tie rods (support bars) are wired to the windows (as they should be) but the rods don't extend beyond the edges of the windows into the sash. So what happens is that the windows are holding up the support bars, rather than the other 'way 'round. The hard putty probably was made with Portland cement, a bad, bad (very naughty) thing to do, since as you note, it's almost impossible to remove without damaging the windows and breaking glass. Sounds like you need Sloan's book, "Conservation of Stained Glass in America," available from the Guild Library (address below) or direct from the publisher, Art in Architecture Press, at http://www.aiap.com I'm ... er .. the president of same. > I thought the tight to the frame installation and the solid hard putty > left no room for movement. I was taught to use foam backing in stone > settings and seal breaking tape in steel and wood sashes to allow > expansion and contraction. Foam backing ... hmm. It's not the recommended procedure. > Are these methods just hype to separate the "conservationist" from the > "repairman"? This job is a very important restoration and the > installation method is the primary focus for conservation. Hype? No, it's serious stuff. Conservationists are seriously ethical people who care enormously that what they do can be undone by others at a later date, which pretty much eliminates Portland cement and other methods. They take a great deal of care and put an enormous amount of thought into what they do before they do it. You'd be amazed at the care that goes into it. Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ [The Guild Library: Glass books!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 06:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 06:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: juno.com!kdeck From: kdeck@juno.com (k a s) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Not related to s.g. but need Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:43:51 EDT Message-ID: <1997Jul19.134351.0> References: <<199707120036.TAA04181@mailhost.cyberramp.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello group, I've been a lurker here for several months and have found the information discussed to be most helpful as I'm new to stained glass. I realize that posting rules are to be only in regards to this medium and will apologize in advance for this post. Does anyone have any experience with back problems, physical therapy? Diagnosed with slippage of 2 vertebrae, disc herniation which eventually will mean major back surgery (for hardware). Currently adjusting to limited activities (e.g. making stepping stones is out). Please respond to kdeck@juno.com Thank so much, Karen Won't get on the soapbox about using proper body positioning while standing at your workbench or moving that box of glass. Just be careful. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 07:37:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:36:43 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Not related to s.g. but need Help! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 10:33:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Jul19.6338.0> References: <<1997Jul19.134351.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Karen, I am a Chronic Pain Patient with severe injury to back, disks, squashed vertebrae, MRI confirmed disk disintegration, permanent nerve damage to main nerves in right leg-I will help you all I can. I will send message off list in a little while-Help is out there-don't despair. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations private e-mail address leestat7@home.com > Does anyone have any experience with back problems, physical therapy? > Diagnosed with slippage of 2 vertebrae, disc herniation which eventually > will mean major back surgery (for hardware). Currently adjusting to > limited activities (e.g. making stepping stones is out). Please respond > to kdeck@juno.com > Thank so much, > Karen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 07:53:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: arn.net!loveta From: "Loveta Elmore" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: PJ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <199707191451.JAA24078@arnet.arn.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would like instructions Thanks, Loveta ---------- > From: Jackie > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: More about stepping stones > Date: Thursday, July 17, 1997 11:43 AM > > Peggy W. Johnsen wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone: First, there are several methods for making the mosaic > > stepping stones. The ones where molds are sold require attention to > > positioning the glass in the mold using something like contact paper to > > ensure the glass pieces do not move when pouring the cement. The full > > directions are available in several SG books on the subject, i.e., Tiffany > > Mosaic Stepping Stones, or something like that. > > > > I have developed a method that uses the commercial stepping stones for > > $.99 cents, tile grout (non-sanded) and a tile admixture. The process is > > easy, my students love it, and the price is right. Since I live on > > Central Coast in California, I may not be able to know how they will stand > > up to a freeze-thaw cycle but at the recent county fair, they created > > quite a lot of interest. The most frequently asked question was, "Can you > > relly walk on that." > > > > All of this is to say, I developed explicit instructions for making the > > stepping stone and will be most willing to share it with anyone who is > > interested. > > > > Peggy (PJ from CA) > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > I would like your instructions on making this type of stepping stone! > > Thanks Jackie > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 11:20:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: tvutel.com!jandj From: "Jackie" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Need advice!! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:58:28 -0600 Message-ID: <199707191822.NAA13300@perham> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I need advice on a renovation project I am doing. I am all done cementing and am letting it lay flat for a few days. I saw an abrasion on one of the heavy glass bevels and I am just sick about it. I think that I must have done it because I do not remember it there before. It is not a deep heavy scratch but like a frosted abrasion. Is there a way of buffing that out using a dremel tool with cereum oxid or something has anyone ever had this problem?? At this point I am ready to pack it in.. Working on this nightmare forever!! Jackie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 15:11:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!MBellonci From: MBellonci@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: PJ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 18:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul19.141025.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd really like your instructions for using ready made stepping stones as well. THANKS. mbellonci@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 15:50:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!Beveler4 From: Beveler4@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Need advice!! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 18:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul19.144842.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk You can try to buff it out with your dremel and some cerium oxide on a light buffing pad, but unfortunately unless it is a very light scratch this rarely works. The only way is to take it out and buff it and still this is only if it is a light scratch, if it is deep at all you will end up actually buffing another facet into the glass that will show up very readily, on a more positive note I have been able to buff out some pretty nasty looking scratches that were'nt as bad as they first looked, but you must buff the entire surface of the bevel to ensure that you do not create another facet as I mentioned before. You might also try using a light pumice first and then the cerium oxide.GOOD LUCK and if I can be of any further help just E-mail me . Beveler4@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 16:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sunset.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: PJ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970719232321.006630e4@pop3.sunset.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Me too, and thanks. fullspec@sunset.net At 06:10 PM 7/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >I'd really like your instructions for using ready made stepping stones as >well. >THANKS. mbellonci@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 17:18:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stone article Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:24:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199707200017.UAA15998@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Recently, the Guild's treasurer forwarded a message from Balloch@netbridge.net about ... > chat on bungi said common ground glass had an aritcle on stepping > stones. I have checked your home page and the spring 97 headlines > and have not seen it. I answered "Balloch" as below, but the email bounced. Perhaps she'll see it here: It's in the published issue that was sent to members of the Guild. It'll be put up on the site eventually, but there's no firm deadline for when that happens ... it's taken as long as a year in the past. Why not become a member? That way you get information like this immediately! Albert Lewis International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 (914) 278-2152 Fax: (914) 278-2481 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/links.htm [Members' Work] http://www.aiap.com/amazon/ [The Guild Library: Glass books!] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 17:33:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: sunset.net!fullspec From: Kay Allen To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: PJ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970719232321.006630e4@pop3.sunset.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Me too, and thanks. fullspec@sunset.net At 06:10 PM 7/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >I'd really like your instructions for using ready made stepping stones as >well. >THANKS. mbellonci@aol.com >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 18:37:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 18:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: aol.com!TSEMTE96 From: TSEMTE96@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping Stones Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Jul19.173657.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please add me to your list of getting directions for your stepping stones. Thanks much. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 19:18:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: nobleco.net!glass From: "Wallace, Paul" To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: question Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Jul19.221746.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A few years back when I was getting started in fusing I saw somewhere a small metal cylinder you could put glass in it put the top on it hit a few times with a hammer and end up with hommade frit. Has anyone seen these? do they really work & where are they available? We uually deal with Franklin art glass in Columbus, Oh. & they don't know anything about this. Also looking for a good place to get fusing supplies Thanks Paul Bumblebee Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Jul 19 21:26:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com via smail with stdio id for rglass-42; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #8 built 1997-Jun-19) X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Lost my info. Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:25:54 -0700 Message-ID: <199707200425.VAA05633@mars.ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry gang...My computor crashed and I lost all my info and personal E-mail addresses. 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