From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 03:17:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC1Wt-00013Na; Tue, 1 Apr 97 03:15 PST X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:14:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr1.11441.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was able to view the pic thru vue pro, but can't help with the type of glass. Perhaps the folks at Warner-C could help you. Maureen. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 03:31:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC1jL-00019ea; Tue, 1 Apr 97 03:27 PST X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: Richard LaVal , Bungi Subject: Re: mosaic stepping stones Date: 01 Apr 97 06:24:22 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.112422.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would make your mosaic stepping stone molds the same depth as regular paving bricks. I believe that is 3" deep, but don't take my word on it. Grab a brick and match it. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 04:18:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC2Td-00013Ha; Tue, 1 Apr 97 04:15 PST X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 07:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.293.0> References: <<1997Apr1.11441.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Send us a sample or picture and we should be able to match it. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com > glass. Perhaps the folks at Warner-C could help you. > Maureen. > ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 05:20:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC3RO-00014sa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 05:17 PST X-Path: LAKEFIELD.net!mburacz From: "Darlene" To: Subject: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:14:35 -0600 Message-ID: <199704011248.GAA16570@lake1.lakefield.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a supplier for the cardboard or plastic backs for picture frames? The kind with an arm on a hinge so that the frame can stand by itself. I want to make some frames as Christmas gifts but can't quite bring myself to buy a lot of cheap frames from Wal-mart just for the backs. Any other ideas for backing stained glass frames? Thanks, Darlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 06:32:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC4Zm-0000pwa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 06:30 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.4271.0> References: <<1997Mar31.71322.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Wayne Munro wrote: > > Artistic Glass of Atlanta wrote: > > > > RE: Mike, > > all I recieved was a bunch of numbers/letters the picture did not > > come through. Please try again. I wonder if anyone else had this > > problem? > > Melissa > > > > Melissa, > > > > I came in on the tail end of this discussion about the glass you > > were having problem matching. Could you start over be describing where it > > is used and its thickness and detail. I would like to help if I can. > > > > -Michael Delaware > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > Yes--That is all I got too; Do we have to reload the file or what is the > directions to view the picture you sent of the glass sample? > I had the same thing happen on an E-Mail from the makers of 'Zip Drive" > and it all looked like outer-space talk to me! Any info for decifering > the photo with directions would be appreciated......Wayne > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah i think what happened was, when the e-mail went through the bungi server, which tacks on the bungi tag line, it must of stripped off the gif89a header. making it all numbers like. if anything we can use this as a test, at least it was a small file. anyway.... i stuck it on a temorary page, the color is pretty good, little darker than the original, but i was surprised that any of the irridescents came out at all. http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141/temp.htm ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 06:52:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC4tX-0000vZa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 06:50 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:47:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.44724.0> References: <<1997Mar31.172231.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk George and Gloria wrote: > > M. Savad wrote: > > Mike, > If both sides are iridized it might be Kokomo. Wismach, Armstrong and > Uroborous also have iridized ripple, but I believe only Kokomo has both > sides irridized. > > > > izzy3@ix.netcom.com wrote: well it's only on one side. i did'nt think anyone coated both sides. is it called anything special. i'd love to have some of they're rippled stuff with the coating on the front. i have a beautifull piece of red ripple, with the coating on the back, but on the rippled side you can't see any of the coating. i guess it has something to do with the spray pooling in the crevices, or something. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC50c-0000q5a; Tue, 1 Apr 97 06:58 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:54:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.45446.0> References: <<1997Mar31.153759.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------1BC526BB7690 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Mike, > .jpg images are not very large, and if sent as a separte file with the > attachment button (assuming you are useing Netscape 3.0 and netscape > mail) it will come thru very fast. The file can be saved to disk to > manipulate it too. I just got 40 .jpg pictures of spectrum glass > colors,by e-mail, and it took about 1/2 second to come thru on my > system. Also attaching sample of doing this to this e-mail, so you can > see what it looks like. I am going to save each of the 40 glass picture > to 'glass subdirectory' so I can use them in "Designer" I will post an > example to bungi.com in a day or so, of a simple design, with glass > colors in the image. More about that later. We will all try to > identify the glass for you , just send it again as a .jpg separate file > attached. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > well, we can give this a try, i decided not to re-upload due to the last disaster. i e-mailed my self using the attachment and it came through just fine, so i'm guessing it got stripped. we'll just call it a test for the future, if anything it certainly livend the group a bit. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:05:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC55I-0000jPa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:02 PST X-Path: home.stlnet.com!idris From: "Gerald L. Collins" To: "glass@bungi.com" Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 09:06:39 Message-ID: <199704011502.JAA18175@home.stlnet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:25:50 -0500, M. Savad wrote: >leestat7 wrote: >> >> Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example >> below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a >> seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should >> come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. >> >> Lee Boe >> M. Savad wrote: >> > >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> > HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp >> > yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx >> > jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 >> > llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ >> > Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI >> > >> ---- >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > >well i could try it again, this time as a jpg, i guess the only good >thing here was, it was'nt terribly huge....:) > >---Mike Savad > Mike, The problem isn't with the format of the picture, it is with the way your mailer handled it. What are you using for a mail program. Anyone that received the original post can view it if they have a stand alone Mime decoder. Save the posting to a file and run the decoder on the file. Then they can use netscape or any gif file viewer to see the results. Hope this helps. Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gerald L. Collins -------------------- Collins Consulting Services This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:07:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC57g-0000zWa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:05 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:02:51 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.15251.0> References: <<199704011248.GAA16570@lake1.lakefield.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Darlene, Delphi and Warner Crivellaro carry the frame backs, and they're nicer than the ones you find in cheap frames. I've made some frames for gifts, and they came out really nice. Jerri > >Does anyone know of a supplier for the cardboard >or plastic backs for picture frames? The kind >with an arm on a hinge so that the frame can >stand by itself. I want to make some frames as >Christmas gifts but can't quite bring myself to >buy a lot of cheap frames from Wal-mart just for >the backs. Any other ideas for backing stained >glass frames? > >Thanks, >Darlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:13:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC5Cz-0000aAa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:10 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mike's unidentified glass Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:10:35 -0800 Message-ID: <199704011510.HAA21149@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Mike, Just checked your temporary web page and the glass came up perfectly. It matches a piece of clear Spectrum glass that I have...#100R (r for ripple) obviously. I seem to remember they make an iridized version, although I've never used it. The iridescence on your scanned piece came out coppery, rather than the more usual oil on water sort of greens and purples...is that really the way it is? If so, I'm not sure I've ever seen that kind of iridescence on a Spectrum glass. Cheers Carol Synergy Glass & Creative > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:16:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC5Ga-00018Va; Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:14 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: mosaic stepping stones Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:09:44 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.15944.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970331174047.155f118e@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Meg, I have one mold that I bought, and it's 1 1/2"deep. I made one by sawing off most of a bucket, and it's 2 1/2" deep. I doesn't matter if it's a little bigger, I just measure the cement when I make one to get the thickness I want. Jerri On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:32:24 -0600 (CST) Richard LaVal writes: >Hi All; > I was thinking of trying my hand at a stepping stone, but >since >there are no mollds available here, I will have to make my own wood >one. >What I was wondering is how deep they should be. Funnily enough the >books I >have mostly don't specify.... one said more than 4". Thanks, Meg > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:28:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC5T3-00012wa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:27 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Dave Rand solves problem! Yeaaaa!!!! Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.52327.0> References: <<1997Apr1.44724.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi All, I e-mailed Dave and Glenna direct to ask why the images were not coming thru, and this is why. Solves our mystery. From now on if we have images we want to share, we can do as he suggests. Especially the pictures Elisabeth is getting of the bungianian groups Chartres trip. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Dave Rand wrote: Those letters and numbers are a coding system that allows binary attachments to be sent through email systems. In general, please do not send attachments through a mailing list (it clutters everyone's email, even those that are not interested). If you have images you wish others to see, please email them directly to Glenna or me, and we will place them on the web page. -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 07:58:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC5vY-0000nKa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 07:56 PST X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Chartres stained glass visit Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:02:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.4256.0> References: <<199704010149.CAA28347@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Toby wrote: > > Hi All Bunginians, > > Lee Boe; what a good idea of yours to scan & post photos/slides from > our visit in Chartres for you ALL to have a look at in the Group. Now > why didn't I MYSELF think of that...? > Both Kathe and Peggy soundly tucked up in bed (hopefully fast > asleep by now, aided by some quantity of wine....). Only Toby and I keeping vigil. > ---- > Friends, I think this is a really cool way of letting those of us who couldn't even think of joining the jaunt across the pond to "keep vigil" too. Thanks. Wish I were there, Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 08:03:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC60m-0000zXa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 08:02 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 09:14:08 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.17148.0> References: <<199703260044.SAA00412@lake1.lakefield.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Darlene and M.J., Would you mind sending me your e-mail address so I can send a copy of my = file to you directly? Dawn dawnm@mail.fidnet.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 08:12:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC69T-00012fa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 08:11 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:07:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.6750.0> References: <<199704011502.JAA18175@home.stlnet.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gerald L. Collins wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:25:50 -0500, M. Savad wrote: > > >leestat7 wrote: > >> > >> Mike-this is all that came thru-bunch of numbers & letters, example > >> below- Can you convert your gif file to .jpg and attach it in a > >> seperate file-use attachment button on Netscape mail. Then it should > >> come thru as a picture Netscape can read in the Mail menu. > >> > >> Lee Boe > >> M. Savad wrote: > >> > > >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >> > HhbwIXjCyRBFOmxERuxGM3DCIryOfIMqJKzECPjCH7RCMFR244zsXDrFJmSCJxB4gadceDJp > >> > yWiCQtcpBFQDRczC3lY4H9ZYKCRgAtbzA9jZUv0xCBzAByDTtm4PFP4iD4pDBAgaP1PJkQTx > >> > jL9TPiADHsARpJEKqaSDdkzIM5TBAJyKzEBUN/z4M1R3RICC3qSLT+wFKXj2I7joIpgMKQV1 > >> > llc4KTiCjT0xH/IF6O00LBiITvN3TIusU6gMKVT5Wr5ql7hxAQaHOmRdiMkapuy6pfhBmfAJ > >> > Tj1FIsRAvVFhvQV6MumQnSlVB9QAWH/fSxZYq0CPkVT/SRMEA7Y05QawtRJcJIO1BjFqRzZI > >> > > >> ---- > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > > > >well i could try it again, this time as a jpg, i guess the only good > >thing here was, it was'nt terribly huge....:) > > > >---Mike Savad > > > > Mike, > The problem isn't with the format of the picture, it is with the way > your mailer handled it. What are you using for a mail program. > Anyone that received the original post can view it if they have a > stand alone Mime decoder. Save the posting to a file and run the > decoder on the file. Then they can use netscape or any gif file > viewer to see the results. Hope this helps. > > Jerry > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Gerald L. Collins -------------------- Collins Consulting Services > > This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. > Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. > For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other > Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass no, i know how to use it, it's bungi that stripped the headers off the graphic file. plain e-mail and it works fine, re-e-mailed and it's stripped. ---Mike Savad Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 08:18:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC6Ev-00008ha; Tue, 1 Apr 97 08:16 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Mike's unidentified glass Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:11:13 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.61113.0> References: <<199704011510.HAA21149@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Just checked your temporary web page and the glass came up perfectly. It > matches a piece of clear Spectrum glass that I have...#100R (r for ripple) > obviously. I seem to remember they make an iridized version, although I've > never used it. The iridescence on your scanned piece came out coppery, > rather than the more usual oil on water sort of greens and purples...is that > really the way it is? If so, I'm not sure I've ever seen that kind of > iridescence on a Spectrum glass. > > Cheers > > Carol > Synergy Glass & Creative > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i edited it real fast, so i really did'nt concentrate on how accurate the color was, mainly it's reds yellow's the usuall. i think i put too much contrast in it. the glass looked like spectrum, but since i did'nt have any sample kits, i could'nt compare it. i just never saw spectrum's version of ripple. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 08:24:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC6Kx-000156a; Tue, 1 Apr 97 08:23 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 10:04:21 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.18421.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Charles, Diane, Mary, Tomi, Meg, Mary Archibald, Carol, Scott, and Jane, First of all, I apologize for posting this to the entire group, but I wan= t to make sure I do not inadvertently leave someone out who corresponded = with me regarding my file on stepping stones and mosaics. I have sent each of you listed above an ASCII text file of all the notes = on stepping stones and mosaics that I pulled off of the archives. This = includes all archives on the site (from inception of Bungi through the = end of February, 1997--March's were not posted yet). If you for some rea= son do not get my message, please let me know. Darlene and M.J., will you please send me your e-mail addresses and I wil= l send it to you also? If there is anyone else who requested it and I = overlooked their request, please be sure to let me know. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 08:29:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC6Np-0000sta; Tue, 1 Apr 97 08:26 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Undeliverable Mail for Tomi Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 10:29:38 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.182938.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Tomi, My message to you was returned undeliverable. Will you please send me = your e-mail address again. Dawn dawnm@mail.fidnet.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 09:10:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC73z-00010Ka; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:09 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: some glass i got Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:05:15 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.1515.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, I haven't seen any glass that looks like that. It's beautiful. Sorry I can't help with your delima... I'm sure someone out there has a clue... Melissa Hind sight is better to have Before Hand! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 09:10:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC74e-000170a; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:10 PST X-Path: aol.com!Guitarshop From: Guitarshop@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:10:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr1.7108.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Darlene: I wouldn't suggest that you try "conventional" picture frame backs. My experience is that the "leg" on the back is too short for stained glass use. My wife and I make several different picture frames in various sizes. We have been able to order the easel backs from mail order vendors such as Whittemore Durgin, Glass Crafters, Delphi,etc. They usually about $2-$3 dollars each, for a 5" X 7", but they work great. (Next, a shameless plug)..... Since you too like to make picture frames, please take a look at our web page. HTTP://members.aol.com/Guitarshop Let us know what you think of our picture frames. Hope this info helps, Michael & Donna McGrew Shattered Images Studio Houston,TX. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 09:22:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC7Fb-00017Fa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:21 PST X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:21:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr1.72129.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We carry the easel backs for picture frames in a wide variety of sizes! Let me know if I can help! Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithglass.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 09:27:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC7Kq-00019Ra; Tue, 1 Apr 97 09:27 PST X-Path: sprynet.com!labette From: Laura Bettingen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.22633.0> References: <<1997Apr1.15251.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi. This is a request of Jerri, since she has made picture frames using the backings from Delphi. I ordered some of the backs, but have not figured out the optimal way of making frames and attaching the backs. Would it be possisble to describe this procedure. I would appreciate your expertise and assistance. Thanks, Laura Bettingen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 10:50:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC8cg-0001B9a; Tue, 1 Apr 97 10:49 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 13:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.84425.0> References: <<1997Apr1.7108.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Michael & Donna, Just visited your site and wanted to compliment you on it-very nice. Picture frames are on my agenda too-when this overly busy gal, (me) gets around to them. (I have a bunch of 'round-tuits). I have bookmarked your site, so if I run into a problem I can ask for help. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 11:43:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wC9Sb-0001JIa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 11:43 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 13:46:56 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr1.214656.0> References: <<1997Apr1.22633.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri (and anyone else with picture frame experience) I would also be interested in hearing about the procedures you use for = making picture frames. Are you designing your own frames, and are there = pattern books for frames for those of us that need some help getting star= ted? Dawn >Hi. This is a request of Jerri, since she has made picture frames using >the backings from Delphi. I ordered some of the backs, but have not >figured out the optimal way of making frames and attaching the >backs. >Would it be possisble to describe this procedure. I would appreciate >your expertise and assistance. Thanks, Laura Bettingen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 13:32:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCBAB-00014La; Tue, 1 Apr 97 13:32 PST X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:25:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.112520.0> References: <<199704011248.GAA16570@lake1.lakefield.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Darlene: We set up a web page to show the Bungi group what we can't explain in an e-mail: http://www.warner-criv.com/bungi/ You will find picture frames there now. These are a lot cheaper than buying frames at Wal-Mart ($1.05 each for 5" x 7" frames when you purchase a dozen). You should see the other items we have for Christmas gifts. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com Darlene wrote: > > Does anyone know of a supplier for the cardboard > or plastic backs for picture frames? The kind > with an arm on a hinge so that the frame can > stand by itself. I want to make some frames as > Christmas gifts but can't quite bring myself to > buy a lot of cheap frames from Wal-mart just for > the backs. Any other ideas for backing stained > glass frames? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 15:02:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCCZ1-0000ova; Tue, 1 Apr 97 15:02 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:01:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr1.13153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, Could you send me your compilation as well, I am just starting to do stepping stones and cannot ever read enough about any subject. Thanking you in advance, Krissy KrissyMar@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 17:53:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCFEN-0000xka; Tue, 1 Apr 97 17:52 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: iridized ripple glass Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:56:20 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.195620.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Mike Savad, Somehow I lost your e mail on the iridized ripple glass. The ripple that I have that is iridized on both sides is definitely Kokomo. I had purchassed some from Sunshine Glass and the remainder I purchased from a retail Glasss shop that closed.. there is still one sheet from an unknown source- bought from a bargain bin that is wider than the Kokomo. This glass is in a true yellow, iridized on both sides that makes a great flower part and a fairy wing.. The Kokomo glass seems to be a light cathedral glass- pink, grey, light blue or clear... Like you, when I went to a local store and wanted a true green or a nice red, the iridized was only on the side that was flat and not rippled. I recently feel that there is a lot of stores, wholesale, manufacturers that are on this line, and maybe might consider manufacturing a glass that is iridized on the ripple side versus the solid side. I know that I would buy it... Also, to the other bungi line people, I am realy looking forward to the photos from Elizabeth and the Chartres tour group. Like you all, i am very envious. Elizabeth, Please give Toby a great hug.. I recently lost my Paris (14 years) and that hug I will never give again. Their lives are too short. Love, Gloria ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 18:11:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCFVR-0000zka; Tue, 1 Apr 97 18:10 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:01:42 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr2.2142.0> References: <<1997Apr1.15251.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Laura and Dawn (and all), The backs don't attach. You leave one side open, and they slide in. I'll try to explain: You make the frame like you're making a foil panel, with glass where the picture is to go. Cut 1/8" zinc to fit the top and sides. The clear glass should be cut 1/8" smaller on all sides, so that the came doesn't show. Tape the came and turn it over and check to make sure it doesn't show before you solder. Tack solder the ends, and then a few other places until secure. Finish. Insert picture. Insert back. It sounds confusing, but once you've done it one time, it makes sense. I bought a book to learn how (not knowing anyone else who did glass at the time), but regretted it because I wasn't that crazy about the patterns, I just wanted to learn the technique. I've since made my own. I've done some with something 3-D added, like a flower, and I really like these. You could tack solder any little thing on. I hope this helps. Jerri On Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:26:33 -0700 Laura Bettingen writes: >Hi. This is a request of Jerri, since she has made picture frames >using >the backings from Delphi. I ordered some of the backs, but have not >figured out the optimal way of making frames and attaching the backs. >Would it be possisble to describe this procedure. I would appreciate >your expertise and assistance. Thanks, Laura Bettingen >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 18:21:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCFfD-0000rIa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 18:20 PST X-Path: thezone.net!robertcrane From: robert crane To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 22:59:39 -0330 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.191139.0> References: <<1997Apr1.18421.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: thezone Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Charles, Diane, Mary, Tomi, Meg, Mary Archibald, Carol, Scott, and Jane, > > First of all, I apologize for posting this to the entire group, but I wan= > t to make sure I do not inadvertently leave someone out who corresponded = > with me regarding my file on stepping stones and mosaics. > > I have sent each of you listed above an ASCII text file of all the notes = > on stepping stones and mosaics that I pulled off of the archives. This = > includes all archives on the site (from inception of Bungi through the = > end of February, 1997--March's were not posted yet). If you for some rea= > son do not get my message, please let me know. > > Darlene and M.J., will you please send me your e-mail addresses and I wil= > l send it to you also? If there is anyone else who requested it and I = > overlooked their request, please be sure to let me know. > > Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thank you very much for your kind offer. It must have involved much work for you and it is very kind of you to share. Please forward information concerning your compilation to me. Thank you in anticipation ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 18:53:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCGAJ-0000wWa; Tue, 1 Apr 97 18:52 PST X-Path: acay.com.au!stout From: "john stout" To: Subject: restoration of lead Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:57:05 +1000 Message-ID: <199704020253.MAA19030@chris.acay.com.au> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello to all. I have been doing stained glass in lead for about three years. I have been asked by somebody to try to fix their leaded window as the lead has become white from corrosion. The glass and the putty is fine. I attempted to clean with wire brush but it does not seen to even scratch the surface. The windows are surrounded in cedar and it really is too difficult to remove them from their frames (I did not make these windows) I wonder if there is some sort of wonder chemical I could use or if not how do I go about getting the came back to a shinny state. These windows were already in this condition when they were installed and these people didn't realize the extent of corrosion until they installed a window that I had made for them so I am confident that this will not happen again as they are protected from the elements. I have learnt so much from you people and enjoy reading my mail daily. thank you all. Rosie. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 20:49:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCHyb-0001Bma; Tue, 1 Apr 97 20:48 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:48:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr1.184840.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have been doing glass for 8 years using a pencil grip, and can do it fine, but have prob w/ wrist (was broken twice yrs ago, and now have lots of pain & some swelling after cutting for hours). I just got my new pistol grip thinking that it would ease the affected spot (I am certain it will), but was using it today and felt like I was in outer space!! I could do the cuts, but was slipping a bit, and found myself using my "old faithful" for the intracate pcs. My question is has anyone had problems with control and do you switch from pencil to pistol for various pcs? Will I ever have the same control? I know, I just got the thing today, but it just has me wondering, and I just feel like one of my students now!!! Any input for this topic will be greatly appreciated. I can feel the difference in my wrist already after just cutting for a couple hrs, and NO PAIN!! Should I just go and use both, reserving the pencil for only when truly necessary? And no, I have not been using too much pressure on cuts. Thanks to all................Kristina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 22:12:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCJHD-0000pea; Tue, 1 Apr 97 22:12 PST X-Path: LAKEFIELD.net!mburacz From: "Darlene" To: Subject: Re: Picture Frames & Stepping Stones Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:09:21 -0600 Message-ID: <199704020542.XAA09036@lake1.lakefield.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Many thanks to all who answered my question about picture frame backs! Now that I know where I can order them, I am going into full production. A big thank you also to Dawn for sharing the stepping stone information. You have all been so helpful to me this week! Darlene ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 22:21:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCJPY-00015Ua; Tue, 1 Apr 97 22:20 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 01:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.201550.0> References: <<1997Apr1.184840.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Kristina, I too have carpal tunnel syndrome, if I am not real careful, am right handed. Just keep practicing with the pistol grip-it will get just as easy as the pencil cutter. Two things that help, use a morton surface/w the tiny turntable, that helps rotate the glass for the more complicated cuts, with less stress on the wrist (turn the glass to the cutter, not the wrist to the glass). Second wear a regular wrist brace for a while, the kind with the metal plate or stay embedded in the palm thru the wrist. That forces the glass turning, minimizing the wrist action. I got my brace from the discount drug store (Wal-Mart) for far less than going to the doctor. They come in 2-3 sizes, just try them on. They are made of the same Ace-Wrap material, but talored for the wrist with thumb holes. (Hope I did not go overboard with discription, but you may not have seen what they look like) When ever I start getting the wrist pain again, (even on the keyboard) I put it on again for a few days. A little prevention goes a long way. Hope this helps, Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > I have been doing glass for 8 years using a pencil grip, and can do it fine, > but have prob w/ wrist (was broken twice yrs ago, and now have lots of pain <> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 1 23:31:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCKVG-0000mca; Tue, 1 Apr 97 23:30 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass photographs Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 23:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.15260.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would like to know how you take those beautiful photographs of your stained glass without getting the reflection of the flash to show up on the glass. My camera is one of those fancy ones that determines whether it needs to flash or not so I can't turn it off. Does it make a difference on inside and outside light if it is hanging in a window? Should I be taking the pictures straight on or at an angle or will that prevent the flashback on the glass? Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 02:17:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCN5w-00005Ua; Wed, 2 Apr 97 02:16 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:16:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.01639.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I too am interested in the compilation of notes on st. stones and mosaics. I am new to the bungians and look forward to my mail every day! Please e-mail me at YEGNIM@AOL.com. Thank you so much! Eleanor (Flourtown, PA) right outside of Philadelphia. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 02:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCNK6-0001FGa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 02:31 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:31:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.03115.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Kristina, When I first started doing glass, about l0 years ago, I started with the conventional cutter. When I went to purchase a cutter, I saw the pistol grip and instantly loved it believing that my total hand had more strength and control than my fingers. I have used it since, about 9 l/2 years, and have absolutely no problem cutting any shape I desire (within reason, that is). I suggest that you stick with it, since it seems to alleviate the pain. You may want to use the pencil type initially for those intricate scores, but I would gradually ease myself into using the pistol exclusively. In time, you will not have any problems. As I said, I have no problems and I know that you will not either, as long as you give yourself a bit of time for the adjustment. Good luck!!! Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 02:53:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCNf2-00002va; Wed, 2 Apr 97 02:53 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: restoration of lead Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199704021052.FAA01996@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I have been asked by somebody to try to fix their leaded window > as the lead has become white from corrosion. The glass and > the putty is fine. > > I attempted to clean with wire brush but it does not seen to even scratch > the surface. The leads need to be replaced; they're shot. This happens with lead after a while, usually 100-150 years, but if the original came was "100% Pure Lead" (a scam by the lead manufacturers, since they've merely siphoned off all of the trace metals like silver and antimony and sold those elsewhere, but those trace metals give the lead came its strength and durability!), it can fatigue and fail in very few years. Do you have Julie Sloan's book on restoration? That's "Conservation of Stained Glass in America," a prize-winning book that's highly recommended by Joe Porcelli at Glass Craftsman magazine (he calls it "a 256-page warehouse of information"). Check out the publisher's web site at http://www.aiap.com for more information. Albert (who incidentally also edited the above book) Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 02:53:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCNf2-00003Ha; Wed, 2 Apr 97 02:53 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass photographs Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199704021052.FAA01993@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I would like to know how you take those beautiful photographs of your > stained glass without getting the reflection of the flash to show up on > the glass. Bonnie, as a photographer of glass of more than 25 years, I'll make one suggestion to you: never use a flash. Put your glass piece in natural light, use the slowest film you can find (Kodachrome 25, if you can find it), put the camera on a tripod and take long exposures to achieve full saturation of the exposure. You'll be very pleased with the results. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 03:35:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCOJT-0001Kba; Wed, 2 Apr 97 03:34 PST X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:KrissyMar@aol.com" , Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: 02 Apr 97 06:31:33 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr2.113133.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use the pistol grip exclusively for my own work. I let my students choose pistol or pencil grip cutters when they take my beginning stained glass class. Most choose pencil for the $$, but some do go after the pistol grip cutter right away for the ease of use. I have been using my pistol grip cutter for 5 years now. I do all cuts with it. Maybe it's just a question of practice for you. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 03:35:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCOJz-00006ia; Wed, 2 Apr 97 03:35 PST X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: Bonnie Clark , "[unknown]" Subject: Re: Glass photographs Date: 02 Apr 97 06:31:39 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr2.113139.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by Bonnie Clark >I would like to know how you take those beautiful photographs of your stained glass without getting the reflection of the flash to show up on the glass. My camera is one of those fancy ones that determines whether it needs to flash or not so I can't turn it off. Does it make a difference on inside and outside light if it is hanging in a window? Should I be taking the pictures straight on or at an angle or will that prevent the flashback on the glass? < I use a 35mm non-automatic camera, without flash. I purchased Steve Meltzer's book, "Photographing Your Craftwork; A Hands-On Guide for Craftspeople" and it has been well worth the $. I went ahead and purchased two spotlights so that I can backlight my stained glass artwork, as well as get some front lighting on it if the piece calls for it. I set up a small product photography studio down in my basement by installing some hanging hooks in some ceiling beams. On these I hang my artwork. Behind this I have a very clean, ironed white sheet, which is my backdrop. I place one or both of the spotlights behind the backdrop to produce diffused, yet intense lighting for backlighting the stained glass. Steve's book costs $12.95. I believe I purchased mine either through IGGA (International Guild of Glass Artists) or the Crafts Report magazine. If you need more info, write back. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 04:10:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCOrp-00005sa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 04:10 PST X-Path: newpig3.newpig.com!karenro From: karenro To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:03:08 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I to would be interested in recieving the stepping stones/mosaics info from the archives.Thank you for sharing. Karen Roberts >karenro@newpig.com > >Charles, Diane, Mary, Tomi, Meg, Mary Archibald, Carol, Scott, and >Jane, > >First of all, I apologize for posting this to the entire group, but I >wan= >t to make sure I do not inadvertently leave someone out who >corresponded = >with me regarding my file on stepping stones and mosaics. > >I have sent each of you listed above an ASCII text file of all the >notes = >on stepping stones and mosaics that I pulled off of the archives. This >= >includes all archives on the site (from inception of Bungi through the >= >end of February, 1997--March's were not posted yet). If you for some >rea= >son do not get my message, please let me know. > >Darlene and M.J., will you please send me your e-mail addresses and I >wil= >l send it to you also? If there is anyone else who requested it and I >= >overlooked their request, please be sure to let me know. > >Dawn > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 04:30:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCPAk-0001Dha; Wed, 2 Apr 97 04:29 PST X-Path: ime.net!dplummer From: Tina & David Plummer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Compilation on Mosaics Date: Wed, 02 Apr 97 07:24:31 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr2.152431.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, You have piqued my curiosity about the mosaics also! Please send me your compilations. I know it must have been quite a project for you, thanks for sharing! e-mail to dplummer@ime.net. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 04:36:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCPGD-00004Fa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 04:35 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:04:29 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr2.15429.0> References: <<199704011248.GAA16570@lake1.lakefield.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think you can order them from Delphi or Sunshine glass Mary On Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:14:35 -0600 "Darlene" writes: > > >Does anyone know of a supplier for the cardboard >or plastic backs for picture frames? The kind >with an arm on a hinge so that the frame can >stand by itself. I want to make some frames as >Christmas gifts but can't quite bring myself to >buy a lot of cheap frames from Wal-mart just for >the backs. Any other ideas for backing stained >glass frames? > >Thanks, >Darlene >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 04:42:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCPMo-0000ela; Wed, 2 Apr 97 04:42 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 07:45:03 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.2453.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, you are a brave sole to attack such a task. I too would like an e-mail of the compilation on stepping stones. Thankyou so much. 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M'6!W@0A@;&0@;&EK'&&9`Z!E+0# `Q%O9AU 9F@<8 6@;7 #$!V :>\"("!@ M`Z 3P7 A$!G (<&7`B 'D!Z@5!& ;FL<`FD=`"!M'@$N"H4*A4PE"X!D'(!# M82$`8F6D;&P*A6QC)7) !X!_`,$CT"#A"H<:F0WP$U!O71/08P5 "H47,0`I MP `#`! 0``````,`$1 `````0 `',$#J-'=C/[P!0 `(,$#J-'=C/[P!'@`] 3``$````%````4D4Z( ````"NN `' ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 05:21:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCPyL-00018Na; Wed, 2 Apr 97 05:21 PST X-Path: aol.com!GlasCrafts From: GlasCrafts@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:20:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.32059.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-01 08:21:26 EST, Darlene wrote: << Does anyone know of a supplier for the cardboard or plastic backs for picture frames? The kind with an arm on a hinge so that the frame can stand by itself. >> Glass Crafters stocks black matboard easel backs with an extra-long folding leg in 4 photo sizes, specifically for making stained glass picture frames. Please call toll free for pricing or a catalog. Glass Crafters Stained Glass 1-800-422-4552 FAX: 1-941-379-8827 GlasCrafts@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 06:34:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCR7L-0000l5a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 06:34 PST X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: melinton@alison.sbc.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: frame-making book Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jerri-- I'd be willing to buy your book on making stained-glass frames from you for half price or something. I thought it was interesting when you said you regretted buying the book because you didn't like the patterns. I feel exactly the same way about several of the how-to books I've gotten. In fact, if anyone is interested, I'd like to sell a few of the books I've bought. I've got a few on mosaic stepping stones and one on angels. I bought them to learn the techniques but hated the patterns so they are unused as far as the eye can tell. If any would like me to post the titles just let me know. We could really help each other out this way and recover some money on "used" books. I'll take half price for the ones I'm offering. --Liz You only need two things in life; WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 06:42:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCREQ-00006Va; Wed, 2 Apr 97 06:41 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: iridized ripple glass Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:38:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.43827.0> References: <<1997Apr1.195620.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk George and Gloria wrote: > > To Mike Savad, > Somehow I lost your e mail on the iridized ripple glass. The ripple > that I have that is iridized on both sides is definitely Kokomo. I had > purchassed some from Sunshine Glass and the remainder I purchased from > a retail Glasss shop that closed.. there is still one sheet from an > unknown source- bought from a bargain bin that is wider than the Kokomo. > This glass is in a true yellow, iridized on both sides that makes a > great flower part and a fairy wing.. The Kokomo glass seems to be a > light cathedral glass- pink, grey, light blue or clear... Like you, when > I went to a local store and wanted a true green or a nice red, the > iridized was only on the side that was flat and not rippled. > I recently feel that there is a lot of stores, wholesale, manufacturers > that are on this line, and maybe might consider manufacturing a glass > that is iridized on the ripple side versus the solid side. I know that I > would buy it... > > Also, to the other bungi line people, > I am realy looking forward to the photos from Elizabeth and the Chartres > tour group. Like you all, i am very envious. > Elizabeth, Please give Toby a great hug.. I recently lost my Paris (14 > years) and that hug I will never give again. Their lives are too short. > Love, > Gloria > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think some of the companies don't see the "other side" of stained glass. usaully there trying to make the glass look old, copying tiffany. where as alot of stained glass is more "common", pixies, boxes, etc. i would love to have some double sided irridescent. i've also wanted flourescent colored glass, not sure how that would be done, but it would be neat. there's about another dozen or so colors i've always wanted as well. as for the ripple, i think i have that kokomo ripple, i'll have to check. though i thought that was spectrum, that's why this new stuff threw me off. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 06:48:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCRKB-00003sa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 06:47 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: restoration of lead Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.44423.0> References: <<199704020253.MAA19030@chris.acay.com.au>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk john stout wrote: > > Hello to all. > > I have been doing stained glass in lead for about three years. > I have been asked by somebody to try to fix their leaded window > as the lead has become white from corrosion. The glass and > the putty is fine. > > I attempted to clean with wire brush but it does not seen to even scratch > the surface. The windows are surrounded in cedar and it really is > too difficult to remove them from their frames (I did not make these > windows) > I wonder if there is some sort of wonder chemical I could use or > if not how do I go about getting the came back to a shinny state. > These windows were already in this condition when they were installed > and these people didn't realize the extent of corrosion until they > installed a window that I had made for them so I am confident that this > will not happen again as they are protected from the elements. > > I have learnt so much from you people and enjoy reading my mail > daily. thank you all. > > Rosie. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe that pizaz luster brush thing would work. or going over the lead lines very carefully with a fine wire wheel in an electric drill. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 06:56:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCRSU-0000qXa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 06:56 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.45254.0> References: <<1997Apr1.184840.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > I have been doing glass for 8 years using a pencil grip, and can do it fine, > but have prob w/ wrist (was broken twice yrs ago, and now have lots of pain & > some swelling after cutting for hours). I just got my new pistol grip > thinking that it would ease the affected spot (I am certain it will), but was > using it today and felt like I was in outer space!! I could do the cuts, but > was slipping a bit, and found myself using my "old faithful" for the > intracate pcs. My question is has anyone had problems with control and do you > switch from pencil to pistol for various pcs? Will I ever have the same > control? I know, I just got the thing today, but it just has me wondering, > and I just feel like one of my students now!!! > Any input for this topic will be greatly appreciated. I can feel the > difference in my wrist already after just cutting for a couple hrs, and NO > PAIN!! Should I just go and use both, reserving the pencil for only when > truly necessary? And no, I have not been using too much pressure on cuts. > Thanks to all................Kristina > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i guess it would depend on how you gripped the pencil type. i've always held it overhand like holding a sausage so i can cut it. i wonder if you got one of those carpal tunnel wrist strap things, the kind that holds your wrist in one position, for the pencil type. i never really got used to the pistol grip. i've used it only when i need extra pressure on a piece, or if i need a spare. i think it's a pain to use because most if not all of them have a swivel head; i personally find that annoying. i've always used it without a swivel. when it swivels, it's supposed to make you not move your arm so much. but since the cutter does move, when you go to that tight curve, your arm goes in to motion, but the cutter head remains straight; until it runs into the stop. i guess you would have to either figure out a position to hold onto the pencil type, so it does'nt hurt, and does'nt spread a ton of oil onto the glass. :) practice using the pistol type. exercise that wrist and get it stronger. or change the order how you work. instead of cutting all your pieces at once, cut some, grind some, then foil some. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 07:03:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCRYY-0000dFa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:02 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass photographs Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:59:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.4598.0> References: <<1997Apr1.15260.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bonnie Clark wrote: > > I would like to know how you take those beautiful photographs of your > stained glass without getting the reflection of the flash to show up on > the glass. My camera is one of those fancy ones that determines whether > it needs to flash or not so I can't turn it off. Does it make a > difference on inside and outside light if it is hanging in a window? > Should I be taking the pictures straight on or at an angle or will that > prevent the flashback on the glass? > Bonnie Clark > fishbait@televar.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, i've always taken anything inside, at an angle, so there's less chance of a flash spot. it depends on the piece. i've found putting a neutral background like a sheet, for taking pictures of 3-d's, suncatcher's, etc, works pretty well. if it's a panel i try to get a through the window shot, but that tends to bleach out some of the solder lines. though after i've made the pictures, all the ones that go online, i photo retouch, removing flash spots, odd shadows, mismatched colors, etc. all my pictures were taken from an IQ70 pentax automatic, i hav'nt tried using my new IQ 160 on just glass yet... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 07:12:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCRhg-0001EAa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:12 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass photographs Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:15:41 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Bonnie, Regarding photgraphing glass. Try setting up your shots with a tripod, before snapping the photos. Also contact a local camera store and ask about non-glare filters for your camera. Also I have had better results with 100 speed film when photographing glass, it is not so grainy. It does require a brighter day, however, or artificial light. Sincerely, Michael Delaware Michael@artisticglassusa.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 07:16:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCRlA-0000kLa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:15 PST X-Path: mindspring.com!artglass From: artglass@mindspring.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Change to our website location Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To my Friends in Bungi-land, We recently changed the location of our website from: www.mindspring.com/~artglass It is now: www.artisticglassusa.com So to all of you who wrote me and told me you bookmarked our site, please not e the change. Thanks, Michael ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 07:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCRoX-0000iCa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:19 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: taking photos of glass Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:18:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.51856.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A few years ago we purchased a new flash for our 36mm camera that you can tilt so the light is coming at your subject at a different angle (not straight on), eliminating glare & even the dreaded red eye!! It works wonders- really. Any camera store should carry it. The photos I have done of glass have come out just beautifully with the flash angled upwards just a bit. Good luck. Kristina ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 07:50:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCSIw-0000vHa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 07:50 PST X-Path: earthlink.net!dcans From: David Cansler To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Books Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.54836.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > We could really help each other out this way and recover some money on > "used" books. I'll take half price for the ones I'm offering. > --Liz I think that this sounds like an outstanding idea. I'm always looking for different pattern books but it's just getting to the point that I can't keep paying full price for something that I might never use. I've been working in glass for over two years and own around 25-35 books, but I think I've only used from 7-10 patterns from them. I can't seem to be able to help myself every time I see one I think "Hey I might need a pattern like that someday!" Oh well I guess I should be happy it could be drugs or gambling. ;-) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 08:00:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCSSH-0000jra; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:00 PST X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:08:16 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.4816.0> References: <<1997Apr1.13153.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > Dawn, > Could you send me your compilation as well, I am just starting to > do stepping stones and cannot ever read enough about any subject. > Thanking you in advance, > Krissy KrissyMar@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Dawn, Could I please have a copy as well? TYIA for all your efforts... Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 08:20:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCSlZ-0000tGa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:20 PST X-Path: ime.net!dplummer From: Tina & David Plummer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Books Date: Wed, 02 Apr 97 11:12:27 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr2.191227.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz, I would possibly be interested in the angel pattern book. You can e-mail me privately or through the group with particulars if you want. Tina e-mail dplummer@ime.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 08:38:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCT38-0000nYa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:38 PST X-Path: newpig3.newpig.com!karenro From: karenro To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: book exchange Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz I would like the names please and some info on content. Thanks >Karen Roberts e-me at karenro@newpig.com > >Hi Jerri-- >I'd be willing to buy your book on making stained-glass frames from you >for >half price or something. I thought it was interesting when you said you >regretted buying the book because you didn't like the patterns. I feel >exactly the same way about several of the how-to books I've gotten. > >In fact, if anyone is interested, I'd like to sell a few of the books >I've >bought. I've got a few on mosaic stepping stones and one on angels. I >bought them to learn the techniques but hated the patterns so they are >unused as far as the eye can tell. If any would like me to post the >titles >just let me know. > >We could really help each other out this way and recover some money on >"used" books. I'll take half price for the ones I'm offering. >--Liz > >You only need two things in life; >WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 08:38:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCT3K-0000zPa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:38 PST X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:46:42 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.44642.0> References: <<1997Apr1.201550.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Hi Kristina, > > Just keep practicing with the pistol grip-it will get just as > easy as the pencil cutter. Two things a morton surface/w > the tiny turntable, Second wear a regular wrist brace minimizing the wrist action. Krissy, Let me second both of the above (after having had carpal tunnel surgery on both hands) and add that you may want to adjust the height of your cutting platform a little. That was an additional thing that helped me. Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 08:49:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCTDj-0000fMa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:49 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stepping Stones Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 08:44:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.04432.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn Please asend me the stepping stone advice too. Thank You Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 09:21:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCTi6-00003sa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:20 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:20:16 -0800 Message-ID: <199704021720.JAA32363@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Any input for this topic will be greatly appreciated. I can feel the >difference in my wrist already after just cutting for a couple hrs, and NO >PAIN!! Should I just go and use both, reserving the pencil for only when >truly necessary? And no, I have not been using too much pressure on cuts. >Thanks to all................Kristina Hey Kristina, I felt the same way a couple of years ago when I switched from the pistol grip to the pencil type cutter. It's just a matter of getting the knack of it. My experience is that I have better control with the pencil cutter. I also agree with you that one feels like a beginner with a new tool...I still haven't managed to master my foiler... >From a healer's point of view, any chiropracter, massage therapist, etc. will tell you that varying a position during repetitive movements will help alleviate stress. So, in your position, I think I would persevere with learning the pistol grip and use both. Perhaps cut for an hour with each then switch to avoid stressing one group of muscles too much. Cheers Carol Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 09:22:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCTiu-00010Ha; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:21 PST X-Path: aol.com!SPRECHFAM From: SPRECHFAM@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Compilation of Archeive Notes on Stepping Stones & Mosiacs Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:21:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.7218.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please send me a copy. Thank you. Lynda Sprecher ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 09:35:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCTvU-0000lpa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:34 PST X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:34:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.73415.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, May I please have a copy of your compilation too? I'm just starting with mosaics and stepping stones and have everything to learn! Thank you! SusieHUs@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 09:45:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCU4i-00014da; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:43 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: frame-making book Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:43:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.74349.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz and all: I am willing to purchase any used books, plese email me with titles & prices to krissymar@aol.com I am always looking for new ideas, and have just started delving into stepping stones. Thanx- Krissy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 09:55:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCUEo-0000tQa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 09:54 PST X-Path: fls.infi.net!reneau From: Tomi Reneau To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Undeliverable Mail for Tomi Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.75832.0> References: <<1997Apr1.182938.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: InfiNet Precedence: bulk Hi...Was just about to let you know I hadn't received your instructions!! Then caught your note a few messages down. Thanks for all your work and trouble. Tomi My e mail address is: reneau@fls.infi.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 10:28:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCUlj-0000vHa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 10:28 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: observation Date: Wed, 02 Apr 97 10:26:02 -0500 Message-ID: <199704021826.KAA01185@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Perhaps it would have been more effective to post the compliation of the mosaic stepping stone missive once to the entire list, as it seems to me I have spent more time deleting EACH individual post requesting it than the time required to delete the missive. Just one person's observation! enjoy................H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 10:57:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCVCq-0000gva; Wed, 2 Apr 97 10:56 PST X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:52:51 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.65251.0> References: <<1997Apr1.184840.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk I switched to a pistol gripa couple years ago because it seemed to take less effort to cut, but side to side wrist motion increased. Lately I started using a thomas grip and find cutting with it is almost effortless. It does'nt even seem like i'm putting and pressure at all This may be just the way I hold my hand & may different for each person but I'm sold & my wrist never hurt, just looking for a faster way. Mike Barr ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 11:09:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCVOk-00012Ia; Wed, 2 Apr 97 11:08 PST X-Path: fls.infi.net!reneau From: Tomi Reneau To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: frame-making book Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.9130.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: InfiNet Precedence: bulk Good idea! We all have books that didn't have quite what we were looking for. And who knows, what you don't want, I might. Personally, I wouldn't object to anyone posting their books at half price. This is a place to exchange info in all forms.....right? Tomi Fredericksburg, Va ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 11:13:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCVTK-00019Ja; Wed, 2 Apr 97 11:13 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Cutters, round 2 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:13:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.91323.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk well, I thank you all for all your great input & advice so far on my cutter delimma, I will get the brace if I can find it- had one some time ago, but lost in a move. I have just started using a new workbench so hopefully that will help also. But now my new problem, the cutter is a Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is same & used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all the fluid through the head. When I called the place where purchased(mail order) I was told I would just have to dip it in oil to use it and never mind reserve!!! I was given the number to Toyo importer, and and pretty much told "deal with it, we won't"( this cutter was just rec'd yeaterday, mind you) Now besides me steaming at the lack of customer service from such a large place, I am now wondering if Toyo quality is really as bad as they made it seem, has it slipped that much in 8 years? Anyone else have similar problems with ANY oil filled cutter? And what are my chances of getting a non defective product? You know, I could have my choice of 1000 items of the same thing, and I will ALWAYS end up with the only broken one in the lot! Same with restaraunts- I ALWAYS end up sitting at the only place setting with dirty silverware! Is this a curse or something? :) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 13:02:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCXAb-00014ca; Wed, 2 Apr 97 13:02 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: bashful To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:54:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.75429.0> References: <<1997Apr2.91323.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Heretics United Precedence: bulk KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: Anyone else have similar problems > with ANY oil filled cutter? And what are my chances of getting a non > defective product? I personally don't like thumbrest and pistol grips, but the pencil type Toyo I have does have an oil resevior. The screw/cap that goes in the fill hole is supposed to control the oil flow, and should have a rubber O ring. Is it missing on yours? If it's there, is the screw tightened down? > You know, I could have my choice of 1000 items of the same thing, and I will > ALWAYS end up with the only broken one in the lot! Same with restaraunts- I > ALWAYS end up sitting at the only place setting with dirty silverware! Is > this a curse or something? :) Not to minimize your frustration, but I think we all feel that way sometimes. I have thought of myself as a cartoon character from the old Lil' Abner comic strip - Joe Bltsflk. He was this character that had a storm cloud hanging over his head, and disaster always followed. Fortunately, I have seen other people I know going through the same type of travails - keep your chin up - tommorrow it will be someone else's turn. > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 14:04:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCY7w-0000lIa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 14:03 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: iridized ripple glass Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:06:57 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.16657.0> References: <<1997Apr2.43827.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M. Savad wrote: You are right.. I think that the glass manufacturers should consider new project ideas.. Yes, it is nice to have the Tiffany styles, but it was Louis Comfort that went to the manufacturers and had them make the glass he wanted.. In researching your glass, I think I found a burgundy cathedral.. I always wanted to match the burgundy that Spectrum burgundy baroque had.. Think I will place an order in the next few days for it.. Take care, Gloria > > George and Gloria wrote: > > > > To Mike Savad, > > Somehow I lost your e mail on the iridized ripple glass. The ripple > > that I have that is iridized on both sides is definitely Kokomo. I had > > purchassed some from Sunshine Glass and the remainder I purchased from > > a retail Glasss shop that closed.. there is still one sheet from an > > unknown source- bought from a bargain bin that is wider than the Kokomo. > > This glass is in a true yellow, iridized on both sides that makes a > > great flower part and a fairy wing.. The Kokomo glass seems to be a > > light cathedral glass- pink, grey, light blue or clear... Like you, when > > I went to a local store and wanted a true green or a nice red, the > > iridized was only on the side that was flat and not rippled. > > I recently feel that there is a lot of stores, wholesale, manufacturers > > that are on this line, and maybe might consider manufacturing a glass > > that is iridized on the ripple side versus the solid side. I know that I > > would buy it... > > > > Also, to the other bungi line people, > > I am realy looking forward to the photos from Elizabeth and the Chartres > > tour group. Like you all, i am very envious. > > Elizabeth, Please give Toby a great hug.. I recently lost my Paris (14 > > years) and that hug I will never give again. Their lives are too short. > > Love, > > Gloria > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > i think some of the companies don't see the "other side" of stained > glass. usaully there trying to make the glass look old, copying tiffany. > where as alot of stained glass is more "common", pixies, boxes, etc. i > would love to have some double sided irridescent. i've also wanted > flourescent colored glass, not sure how that would be done, but it would > be neat. there's about another dozen or so colors i've always wanted as > well. > > as for the ripple, i think i have that kokomo ripple, i'll have to > check. though i thought that was spectrum, that's why this new stuff > threw me off. > > ---Mike Savad > > -- > Mike's Stained Glass > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 14:42:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCYjG-0001F5a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 14:42 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:38:41 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.123841.0> References: <<1997Apr2.91323.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > well, I thank you all for all your great input & advice so far on my cutter > delimma, I will get the brace if I can find it- had one some time ago, but > lost in a move. I have just started using a new workbench so hopefully that > will help also. > But now my new problem, the cutter is a Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is > same & used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all the > fluid through the head. When I called the place where purchased(mail order) I > was told I would just have to dip it in oil to use it and never mind > reserve!!! I was given the number to Toyo importer, and and pretty much told > "deal with it, we won't"( this cutter was just rec'd yeaterday, mind you) > Now besides me steaming at the lack of customer service from such a large > place, I am now wondering if Toyo quality is really as bad as they made it > seem, has it slipped that much in 8 years? Anyone else have similar problems > with ANY oil filled cutter? And what are my chances of getting a non > defective product? > > You know, I could have my choice of 1000 items of the same thing, and I will > ALWAYS end up with the only broken one in the lot! Same with restaraunts- I > ALWAYS end up sitting at the only place setting with dirty silverware! Is > this a curse or something? :) > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i have a toyo pistol grip, it leaked all the oil. that's alot of oil. i personally don't trust toyo much. i find there hard to hold on to, and of course the oil leakage problem. my fletcher terry has been working fine for over 10 years now. my score master 3 cracked. i scaned it in, and wrote them a semi-nasty note, and got a new cutter in exchange. you could do the same, and throw in the part about the customer service, needing improvement. it's not like it's wrong or anything, toyo should know how it's product works in the field. i know once my grandfather complained to a cracker company, saying he was missing a row of crackers. it was'nt a very nice note, but he got a case of crackers out of it. it was a while ago though, now they would probably send out a coupon for a new box. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:28:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZRt-0001Oba; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:28 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: book exchange Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.132435.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Liz I would like the names please and some info on content, also I may be able to use some of them Thanks Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:32:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZVj-0001Mva; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:32 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Leadless Solder Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:27:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.72741.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am pregnant, (thank God it's almost over) and I had just started up doing glass again because I built a real cool shop in my garage. Needless to say, you connot use lead when expecting because of the birth defects, retardation and such it causes in unborn children. Also you cannot use lead if you are gonna breastfeed which I intend on doing. I got a router, sander and a table saw for Christmas which my stomach is too big to use these things but I felt it would be nice to have some creative outlet while I am pregnant. Probally won't have time after she's born for much of anything. Anyway, does anyone use or know of a leadless solder? I don't want to go for another year without doing glass. Help! Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:41:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZeW-0001OPa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:41 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.133738.0> References: <<1997Apr2.73415.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Dawn, May I please have a copy of your compilation too? I admire all the hard work I knew it must have taken to 'sift' the archives for this. I wonder how hard it would be to attach a search engin to the main archives so if one was interested in "patina", "mirror tiles", "picture frames", etc. If Dave or Glenna is monitoring this maybe they could answer if it is possible. Thank you! Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:51:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZo6-0000kCa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:51 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters -- my toyo works fine Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:56:24 +0000 Message-ID: <199704022351.SAA17692@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a Toyo pistol grip and it's worked perfectly for the year-plus that I've owned it. Re: the supplier's unwillingness to help you: did you pay by credit card? I *always* pay by charge card, as they will sort out any dispute with a merchant and back the customer 100% (assuming the customer is right and you are!). As for luck, I believe we make our own. I am entirely responsible for my entire experience of life. (Sometimes redundancy is necessary to make a point.) May you know that your luck will be good always, Cheers, M.-J. > KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > > > well, I thank you all for all your great input & advice so far on > > my cutter delimma, I will get the brace if I can find it- had one > > some time ago, but lost in a move. I have just started using a new > > workbench so hopefully that will help also. But now my new > > problem, the cutter is a Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is same & > > used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all > > the fluid through the head. When I called the place where > > purchased(mail order) I was told I would just have to dip it in > > oil to use it and never mind reserve!!! I was given the number to > > Toyo importer, and and pretty much told "deal with it, we won't"( > > this cutter was just rec'd yeaterday, mind you) Now besides me > > steaming at the lack of customer service from such a large place, > > I am now wondering if Toyo quality is really as bad as they made > > it seem, has it slipped that much in 8 years? Anyone else have > > similar problems with ANY oil filled cutter? And what are my > > chances of getting a non defective product? > > > > You know, I could have my choice of 1000 items of the same thing, > > and I will ALWAYS end up with the only broken one in the lot! Same > > with restaraunts- I ALWAYS end up sitting at the only place > > setting with dirty silverware! Is this a curse or something? :) M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:53:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZpc-0001Oaa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:52 PST X-Path: gunnison.com!debbi From: Debi Overton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:55:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.9552.0> References: <<1997Apr2.2453.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Me, too. I have been looking at mosaics for a while, now, but have not yet attempted. Thanks for all your hard work and for sharing. -Debi debbi@gunnison.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:54:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZqQ-0001MCa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:53 PST X-Path: 1st.net!glasqult From: Joni Tornwall To: glass@bungi.com Subject: compilation of notes on stepping stones Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:57:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.195712.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, May I please also have a copy of your notes on stepping stones? Thank you for the time and effort you put into the collection. I wonder if it could be posted in the archives since so many people are interested. . . Thank you, Joni ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:55:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZrz-0001R7a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:55 PST X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:56:48 GMT Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980402190137.37975392@mailp.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I have been doing glass for 8 years using a pencil grip, and can do it fine, >but have prob w/ wrist (was broken twice yrs ago, and now have lots of pain & >some swelling after cutting for hours). I just got my new pistol grip >thinking that it would ease the affected spot (I am certain it will), but was >using it today and felt like I was in outer space!! I could do the cuts, but >was slipping a bit, and found myself using my "old faithful" for the >intracate pcs. My question is has anyone had problems with control and do you >switch from pencil to pistol for various pcs? Will I ever have the same >control? I know, I just got the thing today, but it just has me wondering, >and I just feel like one of my students now!!! I bought a pistol and a Thomas after using a brassbarrel Toyo for years... I have arthritis in my fingers... some difficulty with my wrists at times also. The pistol took alittle practice, but the Thomas has supplanted both. I rely on it for almost all of my work, but I use the barrel for certain cuts and the pistol for long pass cuts. Wouldn't part with any of them . Paula pjnjril@ngai.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 15:57:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZti-0001I1a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 15:56 PST X-Path: iamerica.net!flowers From: Mike Barr To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:53:38 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.115338.0> References: <<1997Apr2.72741.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Flowers Etc Precedence: bulk Gauther makes a lead free solder, 95% tin,1% silver,& 4% copper, takes a little getting used to but works OK You can also get an organic flux made by LB Allen Co., A thick liquid, non hazardous. Your local supplier should be able to get these for you, but they are sometimes scarce. I ordered a case the other day from Houston Stained Glass and am getting one bottle of the flux. The solder is easier. Mike Barr Flowers Etc Metairie, La ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 16:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCZyD-0001R8a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 16:01 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:57:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.135758.0> References: <<1997Apr2.91323.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Just a user problem ;) There is an adjustment knob (also where you fill it) on the back, if that is not closed tight enough, the oil will run out. I have a Toyo Pistol grip too, and just had to 'play with the adjustment. You don't need a wrench either, just finger tight. Put the cutter in a small glass or plastic jar, cutting end down, with a pad made of paper towel on the bottom. I then pour in enough oil to wet the pad generously. When you need to dispense more oil in a cut, loosen the knob, when you are done tighten again, and place back in the jar. Works just fine. When I have a very difficult piece of glass, I even dip it in the oil bottle to get alot of oil for that cut. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > But now my new problem, the cutter is a Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is > same & used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all the > fluid through the head. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 16:04:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCa0s-0000gIa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 16:04 PST X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:06:02 GMT Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980402191050.087f852a@mailp.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >But now my new problem, the cutter is a Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is >same & used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all the >fluid through the head. I was warned about the leaking and so never filled. I do fill the others and neither the Thomas or the brassbarrel leak, so I guess it's something about the pistol alone. Paula pjnjril@ngai.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 16:24:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCaJe-00015Ua; Wed, 2 Apr 97 16:23 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Books Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:23:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.142338.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Liz, It's ashame we could not form some type of library system, where we could borrow each other's books! I have checked the public library many times, much to my dismay, to find not 1 book on stained glass. I am interested though, on purchasing books at 50% off--an offer I can't refuse. Eleanor (YIGNIM@aol,com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 16:29:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCaOg-000086a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 16:28 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 19:28:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.192848.0> References: <<1997Apr1.112520.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > We set up a web page to show the Bungi group what we can't explain in an > e-mail: > http://www.warner-criv.com/bungi/ > You will find picture frames there now. > I guess that by now everyone knows how much I love this store, so I won't bore you with any more of that. However, this immediate solution to an immediate problem is a pretty swell idea, and having a picture and a price list is the cherry on top! Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 16:50:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCaix-0001EYa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 16:49 PST X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Books Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 16:44:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.84454.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too am interested in any used books that anyone has available for purchase. Would like to see a list of what is available and at what prices. If people are willing to part with them maybe some type of library with mail-out check out services could even be possible so many could benefit from them. I guess there would need to be a collection site for them and someone willing to do the mailing and perhaps a charge administered to cover mailing costs. Just a thought, but maybe it is a possibility. Bonnie Clark fishbait@televar.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 17:46:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCbaw-00007La; Wed, 2 Apr 97 17:45 PST X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike & Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: cutters Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:44:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970403014413.00660538@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I also have a Toyo Pistol Grip cutter, love it and but have also had problems with too much oil leaking out and the pattern pieces just slip right off when grinding(especially on those tiny pieces). I stuffed my cutter full of cotton and then filled partially full of oil. The oil doesn't come out in mass quanities. I also store and dip my cutter in a baby food jar with oil and padding in the bottom. Works great. Amy Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 17:59:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCbnq-0000l3a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 17:59 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.155534.0> References: <<1997Apr2.72741.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RThaxton@ix.netcom.com wrote: > > I am pregnant, (thank God it's almost over) and I had just started up > doing glass again because I built a real cool shop in my garage. > Needless to say, you connot use lead when expecting because of the birth > defects, retardation and such it causes in unborn children. Also you > cannot use lead if you are gonna breastfeed which I intend on doing. > I got a router, sander and a table saw for Christmas which my stomach > is too big to use these things but I felt it would be nice to have some > creative outlet while I am pregnant. Probally won't have time after > she's born for much of anything. > Anyway, does anyone use or know of a leadless solder? I don't want to > go for another year without doing glass. > > Help! > Melissa > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass they do have a lead less solder, but i think there are other deadly chemicals in it. i suppos you could do mosiacs. the type with plate glass behind it. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 18:03:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCbrl-0000zHa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 18:03 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters -- my toyo works fine Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.155937.0> References: <<199704022351.SAA17692@brickell.bridge.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk M.-J. wrote: > > I have a Toyo pistol grip and it's worked perfectly for the year-plus > that I've owned it. > > Re: the supplier's unwillingness to help you: did you pay by credit > card? I *always* pay by charge card, as they will sort out any > dispute with a merchant and back the customer 100% (assuming the > customer is right and you are!). > > As for luck, I believe we make our own. I am entirely > responsible for my entire experience of life. (Sometimes redundancy > is necessary to make a point.) maybe, maybe not, if your house is the only house that keeps getting pelted with frozen urine from the heavens above; then i'd re-think the idea. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 18:59:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCcjo-000169a; Wed, 2 Apr 97 18:58 PST X-Path: worldnet.att.net!knowitall From: Jim Campbell To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.173947.0> References: <<1997Apr1.191139.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk robert crane wrote: > > Dawn wrote: > > > > Charles, Diane, Mary, Tomi, Meg, Mary Archibald, Carol, Scott, and Jane, > > > > First of all, I apologize for posting this to the entire group, but I wan= > > t to make sure I do not inadvertently leave someone out who corresponded = > > with me regarding my file on stepping stones and mosaics. > > > > I have sent each of you listed above an ASCII text file of all the notes = > > on stepping stones and mosaics that I pulled off of the archives. This = > > includes all archives on the site (from inception of Bungi through the = > > end of February, 1997--March's were not posted yet). If you for some rea= > > son do not get my message, please let me know. > > > > Darlene and M.J., will you please send me your e-mail addresses and I wil= > > l send it to you also? If there is anyone else who requested it and I = > > overlooked their request, please be sure to let me know. > > > > Dawn > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Thank you very much for your kind offer. It must have involved much work > for you and it is very kind of you to share. Please forward information > concerning your compilation to me. Thank you in anticipation > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glassDawn, Please include me in your list of people that you are sending the archives on mosaics to. Thanks, Roseanne ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 19:36:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCdJY-0001PSa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 19:35 PST X-Path: netbiz.net!boogs From: OO-Zero To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 02:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Feb23.21290.0> References: <<1997Apr2.72741.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just got finished a project in which I used lead-free solder..which is 95% tin/5% antimony. It was a pain to use. The melting point of the solder was near that of the came I was using, it was a mess. As for you worrying about lead contamination...my grandfather has been doing stain glass for 20 or so years, and being a doctor, he too was worried about working with lead. He went and got a blood test to see what the lead levels were, and they were normal. As long as you wash your hands before you eat or do anything that would cause lead to get into your system, you should be fine. One more problem with lead-free solderis that it is a little more expensive too. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 20:42:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCeKZ-0001OCa; Wed, 2 Apr 97 20:40 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Leadless Solder Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:36:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.12366.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all your input everyone. I guess I'll just go back to counted cross stitch and wait till I'm finished with breastfeeding before I do glass again. I can always make patterns and dream! I actually feel like I am starting labor tonite. Last time with my daughter I started Saturday night at around 6:00 pm and finally had her at 9:04 pm Monday night Ugh! Thats what I get for not walking! I at least hope that the labor time with this child will be cut in half!! Pleeeeeeeeeeze! Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 23:02:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCgWC-0001Bea; Wed, 2 Apr 97 23:01 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:01:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.2111.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I switched from pencil to pistol awhile ago. When I first did, I probably had the same trouble you did and I gave up for a while. Then I went back and tried the pistol again and now that I've gotten acustomed to it, I wouldn't go back. Just give it some time. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 2 23:17:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCglf-0000wza; Wed, 2 Apr 97 23:17 PST X-Path: aol.com!BarbaraBGS From: BarbaraBGS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Toyo Cutters Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:16:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr2.211658.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is same & used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all the fluid through the head. >> The Emerald Rainbow people devised the cutter cap specifically for the Toyo and its leaking problems. Two of the wholesalers I deal with have dropped the line altogether probably for the very reasons of customer satisfaction you describe. Personally, I have Fletcher pistol cutters which I'm quite happy with. Barbara ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 01:31:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCirb-00018ta; Thu, 3 Apr 97 01:31 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Wrist pain Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:34:45 +0000 Message-ID: <199704030931.BAA07572@ns2.walltech.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have had carpal-tunnel off and on for 15 years, as I was a mechanic, then moved tocomputers and then to glass. Last time if flared up, I mentioned it to my chiropractor, and she went snip click, twist crunch, and the pain went away. Most people thinkof chiro's only for the back, but there is much they can do for the hands and feet, if asked. Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 01:34:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCiuK-0000hna; Thu, 3 Apr 97 01:34 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: KrissyMar@aol.com, Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:39:00 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 2 Apr 97, KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > Anyone else have similar problems with ANY oil > filled cutter? And what are my chances of getting a non defective > product? > my Toyo pencil doesn't run out except when I am cutting. Then it leaves a think line of oil onthe glass when has to be cleaned before cutting. What do you use for oil? Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 03:09:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCkOG-0001QSa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 03:09 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:09:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.196.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa, I am so sympathetic to your plight! As a mother of 2, I know what pregnancy is about and it's bad enough that you must give up minor things, but glass too!!! Mike had a good idea about mosaics and I just received a new pattern for a mirror with no soldering involved, complete with instructions which I would be more than happy to send you, if you are interested. I read that it is not just the fumes from the solder which are dangerous, but the fumes from the flux. Do you by any chance have a friend who does glass nearby? If so, perhaps you could do a bartering system whereby she solders and you get to use your new equipment and score glass, etc. If you live anywhere near me, Phila., PA, I would be more than happy to oblige you. Eleanor (YEGNIM@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 03:16:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCkV4-0001Ara; Thu, 3 Apr 97 03:16 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:16:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.11611.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have had a Toyo for 9 years now and have never had a leak! Guess I got one of the good ones. I did however have a problem with the oil not flowing and I was told to take off the cap and let air in then return the cap. Afterwhich the problem was alleviated. Apparantly a vacuum was built up inside and it needed to be released. By the way, had anyone heard of a crystal starting a fire??? I am referring to the tiny crystals that are used as decorations on hearts and suncatchers or panels. They hang down to accent a certain part of a piece and someone mentioned that she heard that someone had sold a piece with a crystal and was sued for the fire. What do you guys think? Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 03:18:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCkX2-0001Yna; Thu, 3 Apr 97 03:18 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com, KrissyMar@aol.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:18:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.11812.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I use sewing machine oil, in my pistol cutter (Toyo) and it has always worked fine. Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 03:54:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCl5a-00012La; Thu, 3 Apr 97 03:53 PST X-Path: beachlink.com!hotstikk From: "James Schuler" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Off Mailing List!! Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 18:57:12 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.135712.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Liquid Communications Precedence: bulk Please take us off of your email recipient list we are getting spammed heavily!!! Thanx for your cooperation. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 04:01:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wClCV-0000taa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 04:01 PST X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:01:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.210.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-02 20:21:30 EST, you write: << here is an adjustment knob (also where you fill it) on the back, if that is not closed tight enough, the oil will run out. I have a Toyo Pistol grip too, and just had to 'play with the adjustment. You don't need a wrench either, just finger tight. Put the cutter in a small glass or plastic jar, cutting end down, with a pad made of paper towel on the bottom. I then pour in enough oil to wet the pad generously. When you need to dispense more oil in a cut, loosen the knob, when you are done tighten again, and place back in the jar. Works just fine. >> Another possible solution is that if the wick is dry it will leak. I also put mine cutter side down in a small dish with a cloth soaked in oil. I've had mine for almost 3 years and only had a problem when I first got it, before the wick was saturated with oil. I love my Toyo. I got a Fletcher and didn't like it as much though they raved over it at the glass shop. I guess it's all in what you're used to. :-) Have a nice day, Janet imn2glass@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 04:14:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wClPK-00015Va; Thu, 3 Apr 97 04:14 PST X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.21418.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-02 23:45:03 EST, you write: << I actually feel like I am starting labor tonite. Last time with my daughter I started Saturday night at around 6:00 pm and finally had her at 9:04 pm Monday night Ugh! Thats what I get for not walking! I at least hope that the labor time with this child will be cut in half!! Pleeeeeeeeeeze! Melissa >> Hey everyone, we're having a baby!!!!!!!!! :-) Let us know if we're Aunts or Uncles. Janet IMN2GLASS@AOL.COM ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 05:57:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCn19-0000xXa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 05:57 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Wrist pain Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:53:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.35340.0> References: <<199704030931.BAA07572@ns2.walltech.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I too have had wrist adjustments, and it works. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Myrddn wrote: > > I have had carpal-tunnel off and on for 15 years, as I was a > mechanic, then moved tocomputers and then to glass. Last time if > flared up, I mentioned it to my chiropractor, and she went snip > click, twist crunch, and the pain went away. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 06:02:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCn5V-0001SZa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 06:02 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 05:57:27 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.215727.0> References: <<1997Apr3.196.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yegnim@aol.com wrote: > > Melissa, > I am so sympathetic to your plight! As a mother of 2, I know what pregnancy > is about and it's bad enough that you must give up minor things, but glass > too!!! Mike had a good idea about mosaics and I just received a new pattern > for a mirror with no soldering involved, complete with instructions which I > would be more than happy to send you, if you are interested. I read that it > is not just the fumes from the solder which are dangerous, but the fumes from > the flux. Do you by any chance have a friend who does glass nearby? If so, > perhaps you could do a bartering system whereby she solders and you get to > use your new equipment and score glass, etc. If you live anywhere near me, > Phila., PA, I would be more than happy to oblige you. > Eleanor (YEGNIM@aol.com) > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thanks Yegnim! I am not sure if I am cut out (ha ha) to do mosaics. I would however be interested in your patern to see if it would be somthing I could do. Thanks for the input. by the way I'm in Northern California. Not too close unfortunatly, and I really don't have anyone around that does glass but me. Thanks again, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 06:03:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCn6G-0001Haa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 06:02 PST X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:RThaxton@ix.netcom.com" , Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: 03 Apr 97 08:56:50 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr3.135650.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would stay away from anything which involved soldering. However, you might want to do the stained glass mosaics during this time. No soldering. No chemicals. Safe (as things go in stained glass), and very much in vogue right now. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 06:04:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCn7G-0001SSa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 06:03 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Myrddn Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:59:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.35946.0> References: <<199704030931.BAA07572@ns2.walltech.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Thanks for send pronunciation of your name Myrddn, beautiful, you picked a good one. Good luck on the rebuilding of your light table. I just realizied I need a larger one too, am working on a 24" x 40" panel,so will be building one too-One more 'round-tuit' Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 06:07:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCnAE-0000r9a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 06:06 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 06:02:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr2.2226.0> References: <<1997Apr3.21418.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk IMN2GLASS@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-02 23:45:03 EST, you write: > > << I actually feel like I am starting labor tonite. Last time with my > daughter I started Saturday night at around 6:00 pm and finally had her > at 9:04 pm Monday night Ugh! Thats what I get for not walking! I at > least hope that the labor time with this child will be cut in half!! > Pleeeeeeeeeeze! > Melissa >> > > Hey everyone, we're having a baby!!!!!!!!! :-) > Let us know if we're Aunts or Uncles. > > Janet > IMN2GLASS@AOL.COM > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Well I've been having semi painful contractions all night but I think that it will be tommorrow (Friday) before I POP! My husband has been in an aweful mood which I hope he snaps out of or it will be a rough trip down labor lane, and you know how nasty you can get when having a baby. I'll keep everyone posted......Melissa -;) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 06:47:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCnmn-0001Iea; Thu, 3 Apr 97 06:46 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:51:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199704031446.JAA10417@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I certainly don't mean to be a nag, but I'm wondering if I forgot to reply to this ... I *recall* replying twice. Perhaps you're just deluged with requests for your file. In any case, I thank you for your work in compiling the archive in advance and look forward to seeing it. :D M.-J. athena@bridge.net > Darlene and M.J., > > Would you mind sending me your e-mail address so I can send a copy > of my = file to you directly? > > Dawn > > dawnm@mail.fidnet.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 07:29:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCoRx-0001Yza; Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:29 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:25:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.52524.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > On 2 Apr 97, KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > > Anyone else have similar problems with ANY oil > > filled cutter? And what are my chances of getting a non defective > > product? > > > my Toyo pencil doesn't run out except when I am cutting. Then it > leaves a think line of oil onthe glass when has to be cleaned before > cutting. What do you use for oil? > Blessed Be > > Myrddn generally a real good cutter, should'nt leave much oil on the glass. it's mainly there to lubricate the wheel, and keep glass chips from cloging it. though it never hurts to run your thumb over the wheel every so often, just to make sure the wheel is still moving. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 07:34:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCoX4-00014Pa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 07:34 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:31:15 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.53115.0> References: <<1997Apr3.11611.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yegnim@aol.com wrote: > > I have had a Toyo for 9 years now and have never had a leak! Guess I got one > of the good ones. I did however have a problem with the oil not flowing and > I was told to take off the cap and let air in then return the cap. > Afterwhich the problem was alleviated. Apparantly a vacuum was built up > inside and it needed to be released. > > By the way, had anyone heard of a crystal starting a fire??? I am referring > to the tiny crystals that are used as decorations on hearts and suncatchers > or panels. They hang down to accent a certain part of a piece and someone > mentioned that she heard that someone had sold a piece with a crystal and was > sued for the fire. What do you guys think? > > Eleanor > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah it was in the stained glass buisness book, where someone bought a suncatcher with a bevel in it. and the sun focused through the prism of the bevel, and the curtain cought fire. something you rally could'nt plan ahead for, who would have known. for the future they resolved that it should have had two bevels one on top of the other (like a small ufo shape). my guess would be that a dangling heart should be safe. because #1 the facets are real small, and they'd always be moving the light around. #2 they may spin a bit, so any of the focused light would scatter it turned. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 08:24:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCpJ4-0001C6a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:24 PST X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:24:03 PST Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Leadless Solder" on Apr 3, 5:57, RThaxton@ix.netcom.com writes:] > Yegnim@aol.com wrote: > > the flux. Do you by any chance have a friend who does glass nearby? If so, > > perhaps you could do a bartering system whereby she solders and you get to > > use your new equipment and score glass, etc. If you live anywhere near me, > > Phila., PA, I would be more than happy to oblige you. > > Eleanor (YEGNIM@aol.com) > could do. Thanks for the input. by the way I'm in Northern California. > Not too close unfortunatly, and I really don't have anyone around that > does glass but me. Where in N.California? I'm in San Jose -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 08:45:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCpc8-0001U5a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 08:43 PST X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:43:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.64339.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-03 11:00:14 EST, you write: << generally a real good cutter, should'nt leave much oil on the glass. it's mainly there to lubricate the wheel, and keep glass chips from cloging it. though it never hurts to run your thumb over the wheel every so often, just to make sure the wheel is still moving. ---Mike Savad >> I thought that the oil helped seperate the ions (or something like that) so that the glass would break better. I saw that on a video I watched on how to do leaded glass. They said you needed the oil on the glass. Not too much of course, but have you ever cut a line and not broken it right away. Doesn't break very well. Janet Farrington ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:05:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCpwP-0001HYa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:04 PST X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 09:03:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199704031703.JAA17374@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa-where in Northern Ca? So am I (Redding area) and if I can help, let me know. By the way, have you had the baby yet? Good luck. Sherry You wrote: Thanks Yegnim! I am not sure if I am cut out (ha ha) to do mosaics. I would however be interested in your patern to see if it would be somthing I could do. Thanks for the input. by the way I'm in Northern California. Not too close unfortunatly, and I really don't have anyone around that does glass but me. Thanks again, Melissa ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:07:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCpyS-0001Ksa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:06 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: bashful To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip - now lens effect Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 11:59:03 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.3593.0> References: <<1997Apr3.11611.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Heretics United Precedence: bulk Yegnim@aol.com wrote: They hang down to accent a certain part of a piece and someone > mentioned that she heard that someone had sold a piece with a crystal and was > sued for the fire. What do you guys think? > Eleanor I think anything transparent that can focus light can do this. Many years ago, before OPEC, and Detroit built 'Muscle cars' there was a Pontiac GTO model modified by the Hurst company that had a clear knob on the floor shifter. There were reports of burnt seatcovers after the cars were parked in the sun for a while. The clear shift knobs were soon removed from production. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:10:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCq11-0001QUa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:09 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 10:50:45 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr3.185045.0> References: <<1997Apr2.72741.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa, I know they have a leadless solder for jewelry, etc. and I believe it is = called "Evergleen". Any of the major suppliers should carry it. I reall= y have no experience with it so I'll let those with more experience and = knowledge jump in. My real purpose of writing was to say "Congratulations!!!!!!" Dawn > Anyway, does anyone use or know of a leadless solder? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:10:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCq1A-0001QVa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:09 PST X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: ANLGlass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: West Coast Lighthouse Series? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:09:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.7940.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was searching the Web, looking for pictures of lighthouses to use as the starting point for making a stained glass pattern. I came across a reference to the "West Coast Lighthouse Series", who was advertising working scale models of lighthouses in stained glass. Unfortunately the link doesn't work! Now I'm intrigued to see what this company makes. Has anyone heard of them, or got any leads into them? It might be Canadian; I think the models were of British Columbia lighthouses. Marilyn Kaminski A New Light ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCq16-0001N7a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:09 PST X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: observation Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 11:11:39 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr3.191139.0> References: <<199704021826.KAA01185@kim.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dear Howard, >From my standpoint, it would definitely have saved me time to post the info. once to the entire group. But, just recently, we were asked to please not send attachments to the group because of problems it creates on Bungi. I am very grateful and appreciative of the work that Glenna and Dave have done to provide all of us a forum to exchange ideas, and the last thing I would want to do is create more headaches for the Rand's. While it is a little work for me to send the info out individually (and a little work for those who are uninterested to press the delete key) I feel it is well worth it to be able to be of assistance to someone else. The positive side of this is that we have heard from some people that do not contribute on a regular basis, and I enjoy getting the opportunity to "meet" these people. While I can understand your frustration with receiving so many messages that do not interest you, I want to respect the Rand's request. In an attempt to alleviate your problem, I will request that anyone who would like to contact me about my stepping stone file, please e-mail me at dawnm@mail.fidnet.com. How's that for a compromise! Dawn >Perhaps it would have been more effective to post the compliation of the mosaic stepping stone missive once to the entire list, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:14:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCq4P-0001RYa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:13 PST X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: ANLGlass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: books Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:13:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.7130.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think a book "buy-back" or exchange is a great idea. Another source that I've had good luck with is used book stores. I've found several books of stained glass patterns and techniques for a few bucks each. Some are really old; lots of fun to look at. They're usually in the "art" or "craft" sections. Marilyn Kaminski A New Light anlglass@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 09:42:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCqVy-0001WNa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 09:41 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: why oil..... Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 09:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: <199704031741.JAA04867@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- so far only one sensible comment. Fun to do a 9 repeat dragon-fly and have to wipe the glass after each cut each time, shop and fingers and glass and pattern smells of a petroleum product. If you have the NEED, URGE, DESIRE, or lack of courage to not fill the cutter(s) to overflowing, how about a small shot of WD-40, or even just a touch of machine or lubricating oil (3-1) on the wheel before you start to "work". I NEVER put any oil in the cutters, but alas and alack, I only seem to get a few years out of a cutting head with daily use and abuse from "my" students. Nuff from me...........H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 10:17:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCr4F-0001P7a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:16 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: West Coast Lighthouse Series? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:19:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.81947.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Marilyn, Don't know anything about your link (wish you had included it so I could look see for myself) but here are some nice ones I have found. The first two are particularly nice if you just want to see a variety of lighthouses. Please let us know if you have others. Linda http://www.compass-rose.com/compasso/compasso.html http://www.compass-rose.com/compasso/compasso6.html http://www.csionline.com/~wood/lh.htm http://www.valuenetwork.com/business/wop13.html Marilyn said: I was searching the Web, looking for pictures of lighthouses to use as the starting point for making a stained glass pattern. I came across a reference to the "West Coast Lighthouse Series", who was advertising working scale models of lighthouses in stained glass. Unfortunately the link doesn't work! Now I'm intrigued to see what this company makes. Has anyone heard of them, or got any leads into them? It might be Canadian; I think the models were of British Columbia lighthouses. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C$2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%SL"@P!0`O()`@!C: K R`H!]"H (SPG9`H '"H$-L0M@ M;F %T K L0,0>6XL"H4*A40"(&(G!4!K;F\'X !P M>;1T: N 9QV@!N!U!4 2>0AA(&P+@&L@*)4#\6@>DB 1@&0@"X >8PI #; @ M`05 1(1 1@'8B`L!U;F0N(%0C("(0YFD1H 5 M='<@\"-R"K'^="00(5 *P!O@(_0&D!^3]&IU)?%W`' F`2#P(>*X82!V&[$1 MP"=0;R?0N1[P9V@=X A@$;!S)6!P4&QE81&P'N 1P"#O*$ =5"?%),-O'> $ MD"JP91PL3 N 9&$<+"I =*!P.B\O=R_ +@6@=FT*L 00+0-@$; O\B^5, 5O M,0`BSA(%=E M8BPA@^L>`B(B<"00= AP!Y$I[/\HPBJ!':!&\2,@"H43P":R0(D2P=RI@_T-3'_ D MX";!.R$>(#IR'@+O!/ '0"(`!&)L1@(*A49:9PN 2FQ+P55N(B%%P&Z?2V B MD"=01$(>\V1O!Y K'2(Z7 ` ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 10:44:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCrUQ-0001Yla; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:44 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: West Coast Lighthouse Series? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 13:46:42 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.84642.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk And a few more lighthouses in glass: http://www.little-elegance.com/formavit/96east.htm http://www.little-elegance.com/formavit/96west.htm Linda begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BP2`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%SL"@P!0`O()`@!C: K R`H,U$046$P_=?7\*@ C/"=D" M@ J!#;$+8&[P9S$P,Q10"PH580OR!F,-X!2P;F0@82 .9@?1!& :`"!L:6=X M:'1H"& 1L 0@"X @]F<+8 00.AQK%6 =40J@>P-@$]!C!4 *A0J+'H Q!#@P M`M%I+3$T-"\-\ S0(V,L'1PT#HO+W@ ) 4&QE+64F,&<`<&.D M92X%H&TO`A!R`,!"=B8`+SDV91^0='HN'K!M"H4E3R9?)V9W3P>0*!H*AQ_^ M($P+@&0N820=(0T9(0`P< ```P`0$ `````#`!$0`````$ `!S!@KIYX7D"\ C`4 `"#!@KIYX7D"\`1X`/0`!````!0```%)%.B `````%Z(` ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 10:57:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCrgk-0001gMa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 10:56 PST X-Path: tiac.net!phil7 From: phil7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: why oil..... Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 13:56:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.55636.0> References: <<199704031741.JAA04867@kim.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hip, hip, hooray, Howard, well said and well learned phil7 Elaine & Howard Rubin wrote: > > -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > so far only one sensible comment. > > > If you have the NEED, URGE, DESIRE, or lack of courage to not fill the > cutter(s) to overflowing, how about a small shot of WD-40, or even just a > touch of machine or lubricating oil (3-1) on the wheel before you start to > "work". > > I NEVER put any oil in the cutters, ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 11:07:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCrqa-0001hYa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:06 PST X-Path: aol.com!WLester380 From: WLester380@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:06:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.9647.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa, Glenna, Sherry - I'm also in No Cal, Fremont. Let me know if I can help. Bill WLester380@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 11:53:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCsXq-0001jOa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 11:51 PST X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: West Coast Lighthouse Series? Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:54:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.95418.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Marilyn, Try accessing west coast lighthouse series thru this web page: http://www.erinet.com/grandio/shelmain.html Linda begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A03`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &``@!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```#T`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!G;&%S``,P`0```! ```!G;&%S`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!```` M$@```&QC8F5L;$!M96UA8V@N8V]M`````P`&$$2[]PH#``<0:@```!X`"! ! M````90```$U!4DE,64XL5%)904-#15-324Y'5T535$-/05-43$E'2%1(3U53 M15-%4DE%4U1(4E542$E35T5"4$%'13I(5%10.B\O5U=715))3D540T]-+T=2 M04Y$24\O4TA%3$U!24Y(5$T``````@$)$ $````8`0``% $``,@!``!,6D9U M1?5/:O\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R"0(`8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P M)S=&5M`H,S-P+D!Q,"@S0$1A,S,2!W"%4'L@*#-1$%%A,/WV;V-@/& M%,5]"H (SPG9`H '"H$-L0M@;F2 `T&,'D "0'.!<('<'D 5 !:!A(2%L8&EG:'1H"& 1L"#/ M$; (@00@(?!R=2+!! ")(/%B( JP9V4Z'TR!(>!T<#HO+W`#T``0`` /``4```!213H@`````,RD ` end ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 12:12:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCsq1-0001NBa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:10 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mirror Pattern without solder Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.101018.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Melissa, Please send me your address as I do not know how to send a pattern on e-mail or even if I have the capabilities. You can send it to me personally at my e-mail address: yegnim@aol.com and I will get it out to you a.s.a.p. Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 12:35:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCtCz-0001Wla; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:34 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: contracts etc Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:33:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.103359.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-25 19:40:26 EST, you write: << With all due respect to your brother, Martin, I think you'll find that it's all a bit more complicated than that ... and that the artist/designer/craftsperson has a whole lot more protection >> I echo that sentiment, in my real job I work in the training business. You can buy "output", e.g. training materials and use those materials, but the company that sold them still retains all copyrights and ownership. There have been several recent court cases that have greatly extended the rules of copyright, a landmark decision involving Kinko's who was providing student materials at the behest of a college professor. This decision severely limited what could be freely copied. While copyrights are difficult to enforce, the penalty can be severe. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 12:35:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCtCx-0000xda; Thu, 3 Apr 97 12:34 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & pricing Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:33:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.103357.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-03-26 16:00:29 EST, you write: << Also, any good ideas for items that can be used for molds? >> I was thinking of using that flexible edging material usually applied in gardens. I figure you could make a variety of shapes with it. Haven't tried it yet, so it's just an idea. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 14:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCv1I-0001Wra; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:30 PST X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & pricing Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:33:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970403153310.00689cfc@busprod.com> References: <<1997Apr3.103357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 03:33 PM 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-03-26 16:00:29 EST, you write: > ><< Also, any good ideas for items that can be used for molds? >> > >I was thinking of using that flexible edging material usually applied >in gardens. I figure you could make a variety of shapes with it. >Haven't tried it yet, so it's just an idea. I went to the "dollar" store and purchased plastic food containers for about a dollar apiece in exactly the round, square, and rectangle shapes I needed...they work great! **************************************************************** LJ Maas: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "Unique Stained Glass Creations" OVER THE RAINBOW Webpage Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 14:34:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCv4n-0001Zoa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:33 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:30:21 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.123021.0> References: <<1997Apr3.64339.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk IMN2GLASS@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-03 11:00:14 EST, you write: > > << generally a real good cutter, should'nt leave much oil on the glass. > it's mainly there to lubricate the wheel, and keep glass chips from > cloging it. though it never hurts to run your thumb over the wheel every > so often, just to make sure the wheel is still moving. > > ---Mike Savad >> > > I thought that the oil helped seperate the ions (or something like that) so > that the glass would break better. I saw that on a video I watched on how to > do leaded glass. They said you needed the oil on the glass. Not too much of > course, but have you ever cut a line and not broken it right away. Doesn't > break very well. > > Janet Farrington > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'm not sure, everyone has a different idea what it's for. but if the wheel were to freeze up, the glass may not break as well. so the wheel needs to roll across the surface. in any case it's best to keep it lubricated, for maintenance reasons. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 14:40:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCvAX-0001Tla; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:39 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass photographs Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:43:11 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.164311.0> References: <<199704021052.FAA01993@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > I would like to know how you take those beautiful photographs of your > > stained glass without getting the reflection of the flash to show up on > > the glass. > > Bonnie, as a photographer of glass of more than 25 years, I'll make > one suggestion to you: never use a flash. Put your glass piece in > natural light, use the slowest film you can find (Kodachrome 25, if > you can find it), put the camera on a tripod and take long exposures > to achieve full saturation of the exposure. You'll be very pleased > with the results. Thank you.. > > Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 14:46:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCvGR-0001LXa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:45 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: frame-making book Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:49:16 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.164916.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk melinton@alison.sbc.edu wrote: > > Hi Jerri-- > I'd be willing to buy your book on making stained-glass frames from you for > half price or something. I thought it was interesting when you said you > regretted buying the book because you didn't like the patterns. I feel > exactly the same way about several of the how-to books I've gotten. > > In fact, if anyone is interested, I'd like to sell a few of the books I've > bought. I've got a few on mosaic stepping stones and one on angels. I > bought them to learn the techniques but hated the patterns so they are > unused as far as the eye can tell. If any would like me to post the titles > just let me know. > > We could really help each other out this way and recover some money on > "used" books. I'll take half price for the ones I'm offering. > --Liz > > You only need two things in life; > WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. Have you seen the newer book on stained glass frames.. It sits like a book, one side is a solid stain glass panel that has a light behind it, and the other side is the photo frame that is bordered in decoration.. Great for the desk.. > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 14:55:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCvP1-0001iOa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 14:54 PST X-Path: usaor.net!3hounds From: George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & pricing Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:58:01 -0100 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.16581.0> References: <<1997Apr3.103357.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-03-26 16:00:29 EST, you write: > > << Also, any good ideas for items that can be used for molds? >> > > I was thinking of using that flexible edging material usually applied > in gardens. I figure you could make a variety of shapes with it. > Haven't tried it yet, so it's just an idea. I was also thinking of that.. If you could route a channel in wood and hold it securely, maybe you can come up with some interesting shapes.. Was thinking of that black rubber border that they use around flower beds.. I will still break down and buy the butterfly mold.. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:49:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCy6f-0001q2a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:47 PST X-Path: usaor.net!madglass From: "Mary Ann Dulemba" To: Subject: Re: Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:01:12 -0500 Message-ID: <199704040101.UAA10714@gate.usaor.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please include me in the stepping stones/mosaics info also. Thank you. ---------- > From: karenro > To: 'glass@bungi.com' > Subject: RE: Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics > Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 7:03 AM > > > Dawn, > > I to would be interested in recieving the stepping stones/mosaics > info from the archives.Thank you for sharing. > > Karen Roberts > >karenro@newpig.com > > > >Charles, Diane, Mary, Tomi, Meg, Mary Archibald, Carol, Scott, and > >Jane, > > > >First of all, I apologize for posting this to the entire group, but I > >wan= > >t to make sure I do not inadvertently leave someone out who > >corresponded = > >with me regarding my file on stepping stones and mosaics. > > > >I have sent each of you listed above an ASCII text file of all the > >notes = > >on stepping stones and mosaics that I pulled off of the archives. This > >= > >includes all archives on the site (from inception of Bungi through the > >= > >end of February, 1997--March's were not posted yet). If you for some > >rea= > >son do not get my message, please let me know. > > > >Darlene and M.J., will you please send me your e-mail addresses and I > >wil= > >l send it to you also? If there is anyone else who requested it and I > >= > >overlooked their request, please be sure to let me know. > > > >Dawn > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:49:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCy7J-0001nWa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:48 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones & pricing Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:35:15 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr4.03515.0> References: <<1997Apr3.103357.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Gloria, Where have you seen a butterfly mold? Is it a whole one, or do you make two single wings and put them together? Sounds interesting. I've just seen the basic square, hex, circle, triangle..... You all have me definitely thinking of trying to make some molds. My husband's the handy person, and has a router, so maybe we can try making some. Jerri On Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:58:01 -0100 George and Gloria <3hounds@usaor.net> writes: >JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > >I was also thinking of that.. If you could route a channel in wood and >hold it securely, maybe you can come up with some interesting shapes.. >Was thinking of that black rubber border that they use around flower >beds.. I will still break down and buy the butterfly mold.. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:49:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCy7E-0001qTa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:48 PST X-Path: sprynet.com!labette From: Laura Bettingen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Baby Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:38:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.93819.0> References: <<199704031703.JAA17374@mtshasta.snowcrest.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I second Sherry=92s offer of help to Melissa. I=92m in Carson City, NV, b= ut that should be pretty close. Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:50:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCy6L-0001poa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:47 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:23:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.15235.0> References: <<1997Apr3.123021.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Recently, I had (still have) a new design that required cutting 1" x 2" bevels in half, lengthwise. A friend gave me a tip, to drop several drops of oil, WD40, whatever on the bevel, then cut.. It worked like magic. Not sure why, but each bevel cut and broke (using a 'Ringstar') like butter. Not a mis-cut or break in over 40 of them. Maybe Mike is right by saying "It splits the ions" "Or the manure helps the patina go on better" Don't get upset, just quoting a joke of Mikes. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations > I'm not sure, everyone has a different idea what it's for. but if the > wheel were to freeze up, the glass may not break as well. so the wheel > needs to roll across the surface. in any case it's best to keep it > lubricated, for maintenance reasons. > > ---Mike Savad ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCy8E-0001nKa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:49 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 15:53:06 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.7536.0> References: <<1997Apr3.185045.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Melissa, > > I know they have a leadless solder for jewelry, etc. and I believe it is = > called "Evergleen". Any of the major suppliers should carry it. I reall= > y have no experience with it so I'll let those with more experience and = > knowledge jump in. > > My real purpose of writing was to say "Congratulations!!!!!!" > > Dawn > > > Anyway, does anyone use or know of a leadless solder? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thanks Dawn, I don't think it will be today. Went to my Doctor and he said that I haven't dilated at all an it could be 2 more weeks you never know. Also (which I have been upset about all morning) he said she is now about 10 pounds and that I "will have to have a cesarean section. My due date is April 23rd. I'm soooo bummed I never ever ever wanted to have one, and am scared to death. Everyone who has had one assures me that it's easy and painless after. Unfortunatly I have no Mom to help me out after the first week (my husband is taking a week vacation.) my Mom died when I was pregnant with my daughter Sarah. His Mom is 49 and never ever taken Sarah over night in her 4 years. (Not the grandmother type) I can't wait till this part of my life is past. I sound like I am severly depressed, well I am. Sorry to lay this on you people, and I'm sure the men are probally getting tired of hearing about pregnancy so I'll stop. Thanks for the grads and all. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:50:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCy6l-0001nra; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:48 PST X-Path: sprynet.com!labette From: Laura Bettingen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: observation Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.9407.0> References: <<1997Apr3.191139.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn =96 your compromise is diplomatic and clever and your respect of the Rand=92s wishes admirable. Kuddos, Laura ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 17:54:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCyCA-0001sLa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:53 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: American Bevel Design Software Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:49:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.154955.0> References: <<199703300134.RAA05887@mars.ark.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk I got "Designer" because it is a more full featured CAD program. You can output to several different file formats, and when you go to Texture and Fill, use actual pictures of the glass you are going to use, a full library of Spectrum, and Uboros glass comes with the program in a "glass sub-directory". I am really pleased with the program, and working on a design right now. I will post the design with the actual glass pictures, when I have finished. It is a very intuitive program, and have no trouble with the things I have tried to do with it. (Going though the tutorial is a 'round-tuit' also < g >) I also re-read the License, and the only thing it prohibits is using the program to create clip art, and publish pattern books using other company's bevels. I have found the tech support to be great also. There are some very good reviews on the IGGA site at bungi.com. Considering good CAD programs are usually $500 and up, the price seems right, also. > >To my fellow bungians: > > >Can any-one give me information on the computer software "Designer" by > American Bevel Design? It is advertised on page 6 of issue # 34 of "stained > glass news". > > >I would like feedback as to 'how it works, price, availability, where I can > order, etc.' ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 18:08:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCyPZ-0001pQa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 18:07 PST X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: melinton@alison.sbc.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Book list Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:58:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1997Apr2.84454.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk OK--Here are the books I'm offering. I'm just gonna charge $6.00 plus postage for each of them 'cause I can't figure out what I paid. All are like new. 1. Dimensions of Christmas by Teny Nudson (make angels with glass, jewels and lead came) 2. Stepping Stones by Donna Schultz (12 patterns for round & octagonal stones) 3. Tiffany Garden by Julie Bishop-Day (octagonal and brick patterns) I guess I'll have to do first-come first-serve with these so fire off an email to me privately at melinton@alison.sbc.edu if you want one or all. Don't just hit return to respond or your mail will have to go though Bungi before it gets to me and we'll clutter up the list for everybody else. --Liz You only need two things in life; WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 19:39:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wCzq1-0001TJa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 19:38 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 22:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.172858.0> References: <<1997Apr3.15235.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > Maybe Mike is right by saying "It splits the ions" "Or the manure > helps the patina go on better" Don't get upset, just quoting a joke of > Mikes. > > Lee Boe If I'm not getting senile, I seem to remember an article in Scientific American many years ago, dealing with the effects of water on glass, when the glass had a fault (scratch, nick etc.). The was something to do with a chemical reaction that led ro a mechanical event. The water would/could cause the fracture to deepen. Maybe the oil acts in a similar way. Does anyone know if Scientific American has an archive on the web? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 20:58:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD14Q-0001MOa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:57 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 23:53:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.185355.0> References: <<1997Apr3.172858.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Wow, great idea,yes here are the sites and they have a searchable database for past issues too. http://www.history.rochester.edu/Scientific_American/ http://www.sciam.com/ shyguy wrote: > > leestat7 wrote: > > > > Maybe Mike is right by saying "It splits the ions" "Or the manure > > helps the patina go on better" Don't get upset, just quoting a joke of > > Mikes. > > > > Lee Boe > If I'm not getting senile, I seem to remember an article in Scientific > American many years ago, dealing with the effects of water on glass, > when the glass had a fault (scratch, nick etc.). The was something to do > with a chemical reaction that led ro a mechanical event. The water > would/could cause the fracture to deepen. Maybe the oil acts in a > similar way. Does anyone know if Scientific American has an archive on > the web? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 21:19:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0wD0ht-0000kma; Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:34 PST X-Path: artisticglassusa.com!studio From: studio@artisticglassusa.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE:Thanks Dawn, I don't think it will be today. Went to my Doctor and he said that I haven't dilated at all an it could be 2 more weeks you never know. Also (which I have been upset about all morning) he said she is now about 10 pounds and that I "will have to have a cesarean section. My due date is April 23rd. I'm soooo bummed I never ever ever wanted to have one, and am scared to death. Everyone who has had one assures me that it's easy and painless after. Unfortunatly I have no Mom to help me out after the first week (my husband is taking a week vacation.) my Mom died when I was pregnant with my daughter Sarah. His Mom is 49 and never ever taken Sarah over night in her 4 years. (Not the grandmother type) I can't wait till this part of my life is past. I sound like I am severly depressed, well I am. Sorry to lay this on you people, and I'm sure the men are probally getting tired of hearing about pregnancy so I'll stop. Thanks for the grads and all. Melissa ---- Melissa, I am a man, and I guess I will never understand the pain or nine months of discomfort related to pregnancy. I do know that things won't always be like this. So try to smile. You have my deepest admiration. -Michael Michael Delaware www.artisticglassusa.com michael@artisticglassusa.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 21:22:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0wD0n5-0000nfa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:39 PST X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: frame-making book Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:20:26 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr3.162026.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd be interestred in the one of the angels. Give a listing of the others too. thanks alot. Mary diamonds@juno.com On Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:28:10 -0500 melinton@alison.sbc.edu writes: >Hi Jerri-- >I'd be willing to buy your book on making stained-glass frames from >you for >half price or something. I thought it was interesting when you said >you >regretted buying the book because you didn't like the patterns. I feel >exactly the same way about several of the how-to books I've gotten. > >In fact, if anyone is interested, I'd like to sell a few of the books >I've >bought. I've got a few on mosaic stepping stones and one on angels. I >bought them to learn the techniques but hated the patterns so they are >unused as far as the eye can tell. If any would like me to post the >titles >just let me know. > >We could really help each other out this way and recover some money on >"used" books. I'll take half price for the ones I'm offering. >--Liz > >You only need two things in life; >WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. > > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 21:23:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0wD0nm-00012qa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 20:40 PST X-Path: aol.com!SusieHUs From: SusieHUs@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Butterfly molds Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:40:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.184034.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I'd like to hear more about those butterfly molds too. I asked at a store in Austin and they had never heard of them. I just barely caught a reference to it before I went on vacation and I'm not home yet so I guess it's possible that I'm asking about something that's been discussed already and if I am, I do apologize. But I'm intrigued by the idea of a stone that shape and would really appreciate it if anyone knows anything about them, including the original poster, if they'd reiterate and possibly expand upon the subject. Thank you! Susie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 21:41:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD1iz-0001sOa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 21:39 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:39:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.193941.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael Delaware, You sound like such a compassionate man! I am really touched by this! Just thought that you really deserve to be commended for such a wonderful remark, and for being so thoughtful. So here is a pat on the back, and may many more humans share in his concern for others and make this world a better place to be! Krissy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 21:47:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD1q9-0001t5a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 21:47 PST X-Path: juno.com!eldondo1 From: eldondo1@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Butterfly molds Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 00:45:30 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr4.54530.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Susie ; I had an answer directly to you but i fouled up!!!! So the Bungi group will read along. The molds arrived today at our shop (St, Louis Stained Glass Studio) and they are a rectangle with the Butterfly in the middle , a lip on the outside edge to protect spill over ,i guess, I'm not sure where we got them but will be prepared to answer further questions, if asked. I will be here until Monday if i can be of any help . I don't always know the answers but i know where to get them. DON. GIVE THEM ROSES WHILE YOU'RE HERE TO GIVE THEM. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 21:58:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD207-0001u3a; Thu, 3 Apr 97 21:57 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Stepping stones custom made Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:57:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr3.195722.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was just browsing through AOL and came across a posting of somebody asking if other media besides s/g could be used in stepping stones such as broken pottery & china. I thought I should share the following brainstorm I had. My husband's 90 year old great grandmother had a retaining wall built about 20 years ago(she is on river) and in it she placed items above and glass, etc that were mementos of different things. The stuff is still there after all this time and looks great, and it is nice to look at memories walking on it, and hear stories retold. Well, I got the idea that we could actually make custom stepping stones like from baby's first(include silverware, plate, etc. as well as a design around or incorporated into it in glass), anniversary, wedding, birthday, etc. You get the idea.Each stone would be unique and priceless to the person. Now has anyone tried this? I am ready to do one now!!! tell me what you all think! I just had to share this one! Krissy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 22:06:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD27Y-0001qoa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 22:05 PST X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, W.L.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Butterfly molds Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 01:08:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr3.17819.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Craft Nook, Inc. Precedence: bulk The molds are in the shape of Butterflies and come two different sizes,24" and 27" molds with 3 different patterns...If we can help please contact us at: The Craft Nook, Inc. 227 South 8th. Street Fernandina Bch., Fla. 32034 1-800-458-6292 Thanks Walter ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 22:08:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD28y-0001hQa; Thu, 3 Apr 97 22:06 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:56:58 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 3 Apr 97, Christie Wood & George D'Asce wrote: > I would stay away from anything which involved soldering. However, > you might want to do the stained glass mosaics during this time. No > soldering. No chemicals. Safe (as things go in stained glass), and > very much in vogue right now. ...Christie I may be wrong, so someone correct me on this,but it is my understanding that the danger comes fromthe flux and other chemicals like the patinas and cleaning materials, not from the solder. There are to my knowledge no fumes that come off the solder while is is heated. Albert may be able to tell you if I am wrong. Some one mentioned keeping your hands clean, and washing a lot. Don't put tools in your mouth (I've had to break myself of that one because if would put my fid inmy mouth while using both hands on something. I have a gremlin that moves stuff I lay on the bench! :D>) I have a window at the back of my bench, and I put a little 5" fan in it, and sealed the rest, and it goes on when I flip the switch to turn on the iron. That and a loo close by. Happy baby birthing! Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 3 22:08:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD28z-0001tja; Thu, 3 Apr 97 22:06 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:48:21 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 3 Apr 97, Christie Wood & George D'Asce wrote: > I would stay away from anything which involved soldering. However, > you might want to do the stained glass mosaics during this time. No > soldering. No chemicals. Safe (as things go in stained glass), and > very much in vogue right now. ...Christie I may be wrong, so someone correct me on this,but it is my understanding that the danger comes fromthe flux and other chemicals like the patinas and cleaning materials, not from the solder. There are to my knowledge no fumes that come off the solder while is is heated. Albert may be able to tell you if I am wrong. Some one mentioned keeping your hands clean, and washing a lot. Don't put tools in your mouth (I've had to break myself of that one because if would put my fid inmy mouth while using both hands on something. I have a gremlin that moves stuff I lay on the bench! :D>) I have a window at the back of my bench, and I put a little 5" fan in it, and sealed the rest, and it goes on when I flip the switch to turn on the iron. That and a loo close by. Happy baby birthing! Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 02:37:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD6Lk-0001Sja; Fri, 4 Apr 97 02:36 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: BABY BLUES Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:36:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.0361.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: MELISSA FROM: ELEANOR I too had a c-section, though it was after all day of labor, my son was too big also. You will be quite surprized at how quickly you recouperate! A c-section is not like other surgery in that you had no infection, etc. cause for the surgery and in a run down condition beforehand. I had my husband also for a brief week and did not need help afterwards and believe me I am not the "strong, tough" type! Your new baby will be a great motivator in your recovery. Just be careful to watch going up and down steps and carrying heavy objects for the first month or so after operation. How about your other child? Can you make arrangements for him to visit neighbors or a nursery school or have someone care for him for a few hours a day? Try now to get him/her situated for when your husband returns to work. Take Care! Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 02:43:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD6Rq-0001LDa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 02:42 PST X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "[unknown]" Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: 04 Apr 97 05:38:49 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr4.103849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by "Myrddn" >I may be wrong, so someone correct me on this,but it is my understanding that the danger comes fromthe flux and other chemicals like the patinas and cleaning materials, not from the solder. There are to my knowledge no fumes that come off the solder while is is heated. Albert may be able to tell you if I am wrong.< Hi there Myrddn. When I said to not solder I was thinking mostly of the fumes which do arrise from the flux being heated by the soldering iron as the hot solder touches it. ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 02:51:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD6Ze-0001u8a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 02:50 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping stones custom made Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:50:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.05022.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Krissy FROM: Eleanor Recently I saw your idea on a television show. It was one of those shows for the home. I am sorry I cannot remember the name. The woman used all kinds of things and just stuck them on the top of the cement and pressed them in. I must say that I was not particuarly impressed with the results, though possibly because the stone had no sentimental meaning to me. If perhaps she had used glass to announce what the stone was for eg.: "25 YEARS OF MEMORIES" or "HAPPY BIRTHDAY". I guess you could even laminate a photo and place in also. I think you could really go someplace with this! If you would like, I will check my t.v. channels and try to find the same program and station. If you would care to call or write the station you could probably get more info on how she did it. Let me know if you would like me to do the t.v. scanning for you. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 03:14:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD6vw-0001Ara; Fri, 4 Apr 97 03:13 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:20:18 +0000 Message-ID: <199704041113.GAA17488@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > >I may be wrong, so someone correct me on this,but it is my > understanding that the danger comes fromthe flux and other chemicals > like the patinas and cleaning materials, not from the solder. There > are to my knowledge no fumes that come off the solder while is is > heated. Albert may be able to tell you if I am wrong.< Albert knows everything? Nah. Better you should check with Monona at http://www.caseweb.com/acts Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 04:55:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD8VT-0001UPa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 04:54 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Picture Frames Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 04:54:40 -0800 Message-ID: <199704041254.EAA26350@mars.ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Darlene--You can 'borrow' a piece out of an original frame and copy it to fit your frame or build your frame and mount your pictures with heavier paper (coloured or plain) or solder a heavey piece of wire as a stand. (Side to side and bent in a 'V' to make up the stand. The large one I did, I used wire on all 4 sidedes bent in a loop and bent over the picture to hold it in. >Hope that is of assistance to you......Wayne > > >Does anyone know of a supplier for the cardboard >or plastic backs for picture frames? The kind >with an arm on a hinge so that the frame can >stand by itself. I want to make some frames as >Christmas gifts but can't quite bring myself to >buy a lot of cheap frames from Wal-mart just for >the backs. Any other ideas for backing stained >glass frames? > >Thanks, >Darlene >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 05:46:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD9If-0001F6a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 05:45 PST X-Path: ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU!UURESPES From: UURESPES@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: frame-making book Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:46:23 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.34623.0> References: <<1997Apr3.164916.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Would be interested in learning the name of your angel book. Are they flat or 3-D? Thanks. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 05:53:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD9PM-0001MSa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 05:52 PST X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: wood@telalink.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: butterfly molds Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 07:53:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.15349.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I received a sale flyer with the butterfly molds this month. It was from "Anything in Stained Glass", 800-462-1209, email (staingls@pulsar.net). If you have a tax number and business license you can get their wholesale catalog. There are two different sizes and three patterns (Monarch, Viceroy, and Checkerspot) that you can order. Standard wingspan is 24" and large wingspan is 27". Hope this information helps someone. Sandy Creations In Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 06:04:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD9Zz-0001MCa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 06:02 PST X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: wood@telalink.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: butterfly molds Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:04:49 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.2449.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I forgot to mention that you don't have to have a resale tax number and business license to receive a catalog from Anything In Stained Glass. They have a regular catalog too. Sandy Creations In Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 06:04:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD9aO-00002ka; Fri, 4 Apr 97 06:03 PST X-Path: juno.com!jroey From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Butterfly molds Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:59:24 EST Message-ID: <1997Apr4.135924.0> References: <<1997Apr3.17819.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Do you have a catalog? Do you sell any other molds? Or do you have a web site? Jerri On Fri, 04 Apr 1997 01:08:19 -0800 tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, W.L.) writes: >The molds are in the shape of Butterflies and come two different >sizes,24" and 27" molds with 3 different patterns...If we can help >please contact us at: >The Craft Nook, Inc. >227 South 8th. Street >Fernandina Bch., Fla. >32034 >1-800-458-6292 > >Thanks Walter >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 06:21:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wD9qK-0001D7a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 06:19 PST X-Path: sunams.usma.army.mil!yj3673 From: yj3673@sunams.usma.army.mil (McLaughlin John COL) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Fri Apr 4 09:20:31 1997 Message-ID: <9704041420.AA01197@sunams.usma.army.mil> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Ref. Lee's comment about water and Scientific Am. In Chemistry Lab we used to put a drop of water on the score when cutting glass tubing. It seemed to work. Don't know why, maybe expells the evil spirits or bad humors. John ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 06:47:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDAFo-00004oa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 06:46 PST X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Melissa Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:54:30 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.25430.0> References: <<1997Apr3.7536.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Melissa, What are friends for - the good stuff, great glass ideas, how-tos, mold magic, solder success, pattern possibilities, etc., - and those occasional moments when we can all use some support - so here's my support (long distance, alas) - hang in there. Thinking :) for you, Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 07:14:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDAg3-0001E1a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:13 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:09:55 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.5955.0> References: <<1997Apr3.15235.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Recently, I had (still have) a new design that required cutting 1" x 2" > bevels in half, lengthwise. A friend gave me a tip, to drop several > drops of oil, WD40, whatever on the bevel, then cut.. It worked like > magic. Not sure why, but each bevel cut and broke (using a 'Ringstar') > like butter. Not a mis-cut or break in over 40 of them. > Maybe Mike is right by saying "It splits the ions" "Or the manure > helps the patina go on better" Don't get upset, just quoting a joke of > Mikes. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > I'm not sure, everyone has a different idea what it's for. but if the > > wheel were to freeze up, the glass may not break as well. so the wheel > > needs to roll across the surface. in any case it's best to keep it > > lubricated, for maintenance reasons. > > > > ---Mike Savad > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass acually splitting the ions was someone else, though the manure idea was mine. :) i know that water does the same trick. i tried that trick of cutting glass with scissors, it does work, but the glass is very ragged. if your wonder how; you put the glass under water, in a pail or something. then i found using a snips, more leverage, and i don't kill a pair of scissors, cut away at the glass. the glass justs sort of crumbles, kind of cool, but also very messy. it would only be usefull if you were on a deserted island, and you had to cut glass... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 07:20:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDAlN-0000m7a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:18 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping stones custom made Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:15:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.51527.0> References: <<1997Apr3.195722.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > I was just browsing through AOL and came across a posting of somebody asking > if other media besides s/g could be used in stepping stones such as broken > pottery & china. I thought I should share the following brainstorm I had. > > My husband's 90 year old great grandmother had a retaining wall built about > 20 years ago(she is on river) and in it she placed items above and glass, etc > that were mementos of different things. The stuff is still there after all > this time and looks great, and it is nice to look at memories walking on it, > and hear stories retold. > > Well, I got the idea that we could actually make custom stepping stones like > from baby's first(include silverware, plate, etc. as well as a design around > or incorporated into it in glass), anniversary, wedding, birthday, etc. You > get the idea.Each stone would be unique and priceless to the person. Now has > anyone tried this? I am ready to do one now!!! tell me what you all think! > I just had to share this one! Krissy > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass acually there's some guy that makes comercial bricks, with a special blend of cement and junk. like he'll have bricks with Swatch parts in them, nut's and bolts, and a whole bunch of other things. it looks kind of neat. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 07:22:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDAo3-0000nWa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:21 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:18:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.5189.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Myrddn wrote: > > On 3 Apr 97, Christie Wood & George D'Asce wrote: > > > I would stay away from anything which involved soldering. However, > > you might want to do the stained glass mosaics during this time. No > > soldering. No chemicals. Safe (as things go in stained glass), and > > very much in vogue right now. ...Christie > > I may be wrong, so someone correct me on this,but it is my > understanding that the danger comes fromthe flux and other chemicals > like the patinas and cleaning materials, not from the solder. There > are to my knowledge no fumes that come off the solder while is is > heated. Albert may be able to tell you if I am wrong. > > Some one mentioned keeping your hands clean, and washing a lot. Don't > put tools in your mouth (I've had to break myself of that one because > if would put my fid inmy mouth while using both hands on something. I > have a gremlin that moves stuff I lay on the bench! :D>) > > I have a window at the back of my bench, and I put a little 5" fan in > it, and sealed the rest, and it goes on when I flip the switch to > turn on the iron. That and a loo close by. > > Happy baby birthing! > Blessed Be > > Myrddn > > Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think it's both, trace amounts of lead will get on your hands from the solder or more if it's lead. lead really is'nt a huge concern, though i think some does vaporize. and breathing in chemicals is never a good thing, weither there vaporized, or fuming like patina. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 07:44:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDB7j-0000jra; Fri, 4 Apr 97 07:41 PST X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: melinton@alison.sbc.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:35:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <<1997Apr3.193941.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I went to Lowe's last weekend and the only kind of solder they sell is leadless. I guess lead in plumbing is an idea whose time is past. Don't know how it would work in glass projects though. --Liz You only need two things in life; WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 08:55:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDCGF-0001Wya; Fri, 4 Apr 97 08:54 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:54:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.65440.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was told that the lead in solder does not gassify at the temps. we use to do stained glass and the lead danger is indeed from ingesting it. The solder fumes are also noxious, and you can wear a simple dust mask and keep hands away from face, being careful not to eat or drink anything. I also keep my soldering seperate from all my other tools as to not get the lead on them. Good luck! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 09:09:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDCU8-0001Vaa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:09 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Glass Baby Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:04:45 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.1445.0> References: <<1997Apr3.93819.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Laura Bettingen wrote: > > I second Sherry=92s offer of help to Melissa. I=92m in Carson City, NV, b= > ut > that should be pretty close. Laura > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thank you Laura, Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 09:44:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDD2A-0001Nea; Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:44 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:39:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.13931.0> References: <<199704041113.GAA17488@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > > >I may be wrong, so someone correct me on this,but it is my > > understanding that the danger comes fromthe flux and other chemicals > > like the patinas and cleaning materials, not from the solder. There > > are to my knowledge no fumes that come off the solder while is is > > heated. Albert may be able to tell you if I am wrong.< > > Albert knows everything? Nah. Better you should check with Monona at > http://www.caseweb.com/acts > > Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass That is true to an extent but the lead is a problem> Lead is terrible for kids in there brain development. I am sure that every thing associated from the solder stage to finished project, because of the chemicals is bad. So ya gotta be cautious when baby in tow... Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 09:45:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDD2v-0001gKa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:45 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 09:40:34 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.14034.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Artistic Glass of Atlanta wrote: > > RE:Thanks Dawn, > I don't think it will be today. Went to my Doctor and he > said that I haven't dilated at all an it could be 2 more weeks you never > know. Also (which I have been upset about all morning) he said she is > now about 10 pounds and that I "will have to have a cesarean section. My > due date is April 23rd. I'm soooo bummed I never ever ever wanted to > have one, and am scared to death. Everyone who has had one assures me > that it's easy and painless after. Unfortunatly I have no Mom to help me > out after the first week (my husband is taking a week vacation.) my Mom > died when I was pregnant with my daughter Sarah. His Mom is 49 and never > ever taken Sarah over night in her 4 years. (Not the grandmother type) > I can't wait till this part of my life is past. > I sound like I am severly depressed, well I am. Sorry to lay this > on you people, and I'm sure the men are probally getting tired of > hearing about pregnancy so I'll stop. > > Thanks for the grads and all. > Melissa > ---- > > Melissa, > > I am a man, and I guess I will never understand the pain or nine > months of discomfort related to pregnancy. > > I do know that things won't always be like this. So try to smile. > > You have my deepest admiration. > > -Michael > > Michael Delaware > www.artisticglassusa.com > michael@artisticglassusa.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thanks Michael. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 09:56:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDDDx-0001bRa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:56 PST X-Path: das.honeywell.com!frank.lerner From: "Lerner, Frank M (NM75)" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Leadless Solder Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:56:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.35645.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello, This is my first post to this list and I am curious to see if this works. It was said: > >>i think it's both, trace amounts of lead will get on your hands from the >>solder or more if it's lead. lead really is'nt a huge concern, though i >>think some does vaporize. and breathing in chemicals is never a good >>thing, weither there vaporized, or fuming like patina. >> >>---Mike Savad I did some research on teratogens in school and the effects of lead on human development and had high reliability solder school at China Lake for my work. (I'm not sure what kind of background to give you) I learned some interesting things about lead. Here are some things that I believe: Lead doesn't vaporize from regular work with glass. It may splatter but it doesn't vapoize. The big problems that I see with lead is getting it on your hands and having little bits of solder (ie solder balls) fall on the floor. Once the solder is on the floor, it can end up anywhere. Don't eat or drink or touch food serving items or counters when working with lead. Ingestion of lead is a major factor of lead poisoning. I haven't seen anyone mention smoking. DON'T SMOKE with hands that have been touching lead. Cigarettes burn hot. In the old days, people did mosaics with mercury compounds. They are not around to tell us about it now. I fear smokers run the same fate. Especially if they do not use gloves for patinas and polishes. I do not have any data on the dangers of flux. But all that smoke you see and smell is burning flux and not lead. I paint glass and almost every pigment is dangerous if heated. Fire your glass in a well ventilated area and not in your kitchen. Bad ingredients include antimony, cadmium and cyanide. Don't lick your paint brush. Don't scratch your face until you wash your hands. Shower after an intensive session. I have a screened work surface that I use to collect lead. I roll it up in news paper and wrap the ends first to keep the pieces from escaping. I often take lead to my local glass shop for recycling. That's enough harping on this for now I guess. Common sense should dictate your actions. Lead is dangerous. My friends say I have sense. But none of it is common. Frank I would be very concerned about your behaviours around lead. >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 10:08:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDDP0-0001LIa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 10:07 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping stones custom made Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:07:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.8751.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I saw someone make a stone using all types of things on the t.v. on a home show. If you would like I can try to find the show and give you the station and name. You could call and ask for more info on that particular project if you would like. Let me know and I will t.v.surf. The one I saw was not all that impressive. She seemed to just throw the things in as opposed to designing with them and also she did not use any glass that I can remember. Using the words, "Happy Birthday or Anniversary" would make it much nicer too. That's a good idea you have there! Let me know how it comes out. Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 10:11:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDDRp-0000eVa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 10:10 PST X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Melissa Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:05:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.2557.0> References: <<1997Apr4.25430.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rio Grande Valley Museum wrote: > > Melissa, > What are friends for - the good stuff, great glass ideas, how-tos, mold > magic, solder success, pattern possibilities, etc., - and those > occasional moments when we can all use some support - so here's my > support (long distance, alas) - hang in there. Thinking :) for you, > Linn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thanks for your concern. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 12:26:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDFYH-0001MHa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 12:25 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters -- my toyo works fine Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:25:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.102531.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk << > As for luck, I believe we make our own. I am entirely > responsible for my entire experience of life. (Sometimes redundancy > is necessary to make a point.) maybe, maybe not, if your house is the only house that keeps getting pelted with frozen urine from the heavens above; then i'd re-think the idea. >> I've tried to make my own luck in Las Vegas, many times... without much success, if you could make your own I'd be rich. I've also tried to make my own luck when I was running low on glass, and had a tough piece left to cut... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 12:26:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDFYH-00002ka; Fri, 4 Apr 97 12:25 PST X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: books Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:25:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.102532.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-03 12:21:32 EST, you write: << I think a book "buy-back" or exchange is a great idea. Another source that I've had good luck with is used book stores. I've found several books of stained glass patterns and techniques for a few bucks each. >> There is a place on web that sells stained glass books on the cheap. They're new books, so I guess they're out of print or something. Here's the URL: http://www.needleworkbooks.com/stained.html ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 12:32:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDFek-0000Axa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 12:32 PST X-Path: aol.com!ANLGlass From: ANLGlass@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping stones custom made Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:31:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.103152.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-04 01:00:21 EST, you write: << Well, I got the idea that we could actually make custom stepping stones like from baby's first(include silverware, plate, etc. as well as a design around or incorporated into it in glass), anniversary, wedding, birthday, etc. You get the idea.Each stone would be unique and priceless to the person. Now has anyone tried this? I am ready to do one now!!! tell me what you all think! I just had to share this one! Krissy >> I've made some sample stones with custom lettering in glass -- like for weddings, anniversaries, whatever. The idea got great reception at a recent show -- we'll see if anyone follows up! I'd like to figure out a way to get a kid's handprint or footprint into a stone. Great gift for a parent or grandparent... - Marilyn A New Light ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 18:40:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDLNt-0001n3a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 18:39 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:34:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970403202502.1b274556@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I think it would be possible, we had a fire attributed to sun shining through a bottle on dry grass... as children most people start fires some time or another with a magnifying glass. However, sueing someone???? Meg >By the way, had anyone heard of a crystal starting a fire??? I am referring >to the tiny crystals that are used as decorations on hearts and suncatchers >or panels. They hang down to accent a certain part of a piece and someone >mentioned that she heard that someone had sold a piece with a crystal and was >sued for the fire. What do you guys think? >Eleanor > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 18:40:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDLNs-0001hZa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 18:39 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:34:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970403202459.1b271a80@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ABut now my new problem, the cutter is a Toyo oil filled (my pencil grip is >same & used for 8 yrs constantly) but overnite it leaked out almost all the >fluid through the head. Mine did too..... I put straight 3 in 1 oil in and as it was thicker, it helped some, also I don't fill it all the way up. Lately I purchased a new head for it... a wider one supposed to be nicer for intricate cuts... I hadn't been aware there were more than one head for the thing, anyway.... surprise, it works much better! Also I cut another gasket out of inner tube and put behind the filler screw, that helped some too. I keep mine in a jar with felt sopped in oil covering the bottom of the jar. Meg Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 18:41:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDLNs-0001ORa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 18:39 PST X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: For Dawn Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:34:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970403202456.1b27184a@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sorry group.... I tried directly but it got bounced back! Meg >Hi Dawn; > Thanks for the info... came through just fine!!! Will print it out >and put it in a loose leaf notebook I think..... (like all my other >files..right! ;)) sigh! > I have the design for the first stepping stone made.,.. now I can >start with the glass soon. I am thinking of doing the center square with >the design in glass, and an edging of pieces of square tile around it....let >you know how it goes... Meg >Richard and Meg LaVal >apdo. 24-5655 >Monteverde >COSTA RICA >tel: 506 645 5052 > > Richard and Meg LaVal apdo. 24-5655 Monteverde COSTA RICA tel: 506 645 5052 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 20:01:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDMex-0001Jja; Fri, 4 Apr 97 20:00 PST X-Path: aol.com!Redware1 From: Redware1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Butterfly molds & hearts Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:00:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr4.18049.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sandy and everyone, Can you give us a price on the butterfly molds from "Anything in Stained Glass" sale flyer? I asked a local retailer today for a ball park figure and he said $50.00! That seems very high to me! Also, is anyone stocking the new 14" heart mold by DTI or Tiffany? Has anyone seen the new MosaicArt books 1&2 by DTI? (The mold and books were mentioned in SGN #36.) TIA Diane ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 20:16:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDMtH-0001jha; Fri, 4 Apr 97 20:15 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Richard LaVal Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 20:14:09 -0500 Message-ID: <199704050415.UAA00916@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- How about we go to round III on the cutters.......or call it a "TKO". Who ever said that the wide head is for intricate cuts....can you see the cutting wheel at all? IMHO, it is best used for STRAIGHT line cutting AGAINST a bar. If it the same toyo I use, there is no offset, but a larger flat surface to track on a straight edge..... enjoy...........H and again, why do you fill the cutters with oil?????????? -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 20:41:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDNH0-0001S4a; Fri, 4 Apr 97 20:40 PST X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Butterfly molds & hearts Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 23:36:33 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.183633.0> References: <<1997Apr4.18049.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Redware1@aol.com wrote: > > Sandy and everyone, > > Can you give us a price on the butterfly molds from "Anything in Stained > Glass" sale flyer? I asked a local retailer today for a ball park figure and > he said $50.00! That seems very high to me! > > Also, is anyone stocking the new 14" heart mold by DTI or Tiffany? Has > anyone seen the new MosaicArt books 1&2 by DTI? (The mold and books were > mentioned in SGN #36.) >From Flyer: B-IS Stand. Butterfly Mold/Monarch Pattern $39.95 24" wingspan B-IL Large Butterfly Mold w/Monarch Pat. $42.95 27" wingspan SV-P Stand. B. Viceroy Pattern $ 5.95 LV-P Large Viceroy Pat. $ 6.59 Sc-P Stand Checkerspot Pattern $ 5.95 LC-P Large Checkerspot Pat. $ 6.59 This is from Anything in Stained Glass Flyer 1-800-462-1209 they list lots of molds but not a 'heart' in the flyer. Depending on where you are-check also Glass Crafters and Delphi. Both have links from the Art Glass World Web Site: http://www.artglassworld.com/Welcome.html Hope this helps-Haven't seen the books. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 21:07:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDNg3-0001yGa; Fri, 4 Apr 97 21:06 PST X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: wood@telalink.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: butterfly molds Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 23:07:56 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.17756.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Diane, The price on the butterfly molds are $32 for standard and $34.69 for large. The patterns are $4.89 and $5.29. These are not the wholesale prices. I don't get the wholesale flyer til later on in the month. I haven't gotten any information on the heart mold yet. No one has mentioned using the 4 1/4" tile mold or the 24" tree ring molds yet. I thought these were a good idea. The tile mold takes a different kind of cement because it is so thin. I don't remember what supplier carried it. I'd have to look back. Also the easel backs are on sale in their regular flyer. The regular back are: 3.5x5 .52, 4x6 .64, 5x7 .73, 8x10 .87. The deluxe w/metal hanging hooks are: 3.5x5 .82, 4x6 .99, 5x7 $1.17, 8x10 $1.29. I can't say that these are the best prices around as I only grabbed the one flyer to give you an idea. I order from more than one company and spend half my time looking up prices to find the best buy. I'm sure that others in the group can get better prices from bigger companies. But I don't have a retail store or yellow pages listing, so I do the best I can. I just finished my first mosaic piece (a small glass table top). I haven't decided if I like doing mosaics or not. I'm going to do one more. Sandy Creations In Glass I don't receive SGN so I don't know what the books look like. I usually only get a book title (no author) and a picture of the cover when they are put in the flyers. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 4 21:26:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDNz4-0001yea; Fri, 4 Apr 97 21:25 PST X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: wood@telalink.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: tile cement Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 23:27:39 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr4.172739.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I found the tile cement for the tile molds. It is supposed to have a satin like smooth finish to give it a ceramic look and feel (according to the description). Anything In Stained Glass featured it in their last flyer. Does anyone have the "Candlelight Designs" book? Are the designs going to be time comsuming? I have the "Lanterns for Home and Garden" book but never got around to doing any. I don't do jewelry boxes and these lanterns reminded me of jewelry boxes with all their sides and hinge closing doors. You get used to doing certain thing and boxes is not it for me. But I really like the designs. I have a thing for candle holders anyway. Sandy Creations In Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 02:29:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDShg-0000kLa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 02:28 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 05:28:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr5.0288.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have laid my Toyo on its side for the last 9 years. When I get ready to score, I put a drop of oil on the blade to help to get it started. Also, I only fill the cartridge less than l/4 full sewing machine oil. I once read that thick oil could clog the cutter up. Eleanor ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 03:16:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDTQw-00021Ga; Sat, 5 Apr 97 03:14 PST X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: purchasing glass Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 05:58:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr5.05850.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Sandy, I tried to e-mail you personally but I could not get through. Could you please e-mail me your address? Eleanor / Eureka Stained Glass yegnim@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 04:24:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDUVz-0001DAa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 04:24 PST X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Reply to tile molds Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 07:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970405072434.006873f4@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >No one has mentioned using the 4 1/4" tile mold or the 24" tree ring >molds yet. I thought these were a good idea. The tile mold takes a >different kind of cement because it is so thin. I gave a class a while back using the tile molds and made some in advance luckily, because I had to do a LOT of experimenting to get them to come out right. I used the Mosaic Stone Cement from Diamond Tech International. I love the whiteness and brightness of this cement....worth the extra cost.....however I had to mix a LOT more cement than the instructions on the container said. And the key to having them turn out seemed to be to keep them in the mold only long enough for them to become solid, but not dry. There is some touching up to do on the underside after unmolding and this is best achieved when you can still use a damp rag to get the grunge off. 20-30 minutes is all that's needed for the tiles. Some of the problems I encountered were: 1) the tile had a ridge around it because of the contact paper in the bottom of the mold. It was solved by not keeping the cement in the mold longer than 20-30 minutes and wiping off the ridge with a washrag. 2) the cement soaked up the dye from the pattern underneath. Solved by not using the pattern underneath. 3) the tile fell apart completely when unmolded. Solved by a better ratio of cement to water in the mix. I ended up added cement in by teaspoonfuls until I got the consistency I needed...pourable, but very dry. 4) the edges of the tile weren't crisp. It came from using the contact paper up over the sides of the tile mold (to get rid of the ridges). So I didn't do that again. I also experimented with the color additives from Latham. The only color I tried was green, and I didn't like any of the tiles that I used it in. It was a yellowy leaf green, not the current "green" in style these days. Even more white cement and less color didn't change the yellowness of it. When they say use only 1 tablespoon per tile, believe them...the darker tint is NOT pretty. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Send your original patterns for the Bunginian Glass Pattern Atlas to: Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 or email joyce@mail.bright.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 05:40:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDVgm-0001hva; Sat, 5 Apr 97 05:39 PST X-Path: aol.com!ScottSGN From: ScottSGN@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Lighthouse patterns Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 08:39:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr5.33924.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Marilyn said: >I was searching the Web, looking for pictures of lighthouses >to use as the starting point for making a stained glass pattern For those interested, we are releasing two pattern books next month featuring lighthouses. Coastal Lights (lighthouse panels) and Harbor Lights (lighthouse suncatchers), both designed by Lisa Rosochacki, should be available from your favorite suppliers around the middle of May. Scott ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 07:13:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDX8M-0001wNa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 07:12 PST X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:11:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr5.51158.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have used my cutter for the past 2 years and I only have used any old lamp oil and only fill half full. I haven't had any problems with it. I store it standing up with the wheel in a down position so the oil is constantly on it. It does not leak at all and works very well when I cut. Hope this is of some help to you and anyone else using this type of cutter. Thanks for all the information I have derived from the Bungi group Bubstah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 07:32:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDXRq-0000lQa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 07:32 PST X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 3 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 10:32:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr5.5324.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, If you look at the literature from the manufacturers, It DOES say that narrow is for intracate pattern cutting and wide heads are for straight or less intracate cuts. Whomever sold you the cutter was mixed up a little. I am sure you can still find a use for it and it was not a total loss for you. I have only worked with narrow heads and therefore cannot even describe the difference. Good luck. KRISSY ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 08:30:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDYLX-0001pJa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 08:29 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: cutters: pencil VS pistol grip Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 11:26:14 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.62614.0> References: <<1.5.4.16.19970403202502.1b274556@sol.racsa.co.cr>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Richard LaVal wrote: > > I think it would be possible, we had a fire attributed to sun shining > through a bottle on dry grass... as children most people start fires some > time or another with a magnifying glass. However, sueing someone???? Meg > > >By the way, had anyone heard of a crystal starting a fire??? I am referring > >to the tiny crystals that are used as decorations on hearts and suncatchers > >or panels. They hang down to accent a certain part of a piece and someone > >mentioned that she heard that someone had sold a piece with a crystal and was > >sued for the fire. What do you guys think? > >Eleanor > > > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > Richard and Meg LaVal > apdo. 24-5655 > Monteverde > COSTA RICA > tel: 506 645 5052 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah and in the case with the bevel starting a fire, they gouy who sued hime, won... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 08:32:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDYOB-00014ua; Sat, 5 Apr 97 08:32 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 11:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.6294.0> References: <<199704050415.UAA00916@kim.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elaine & Howard Rubin wrote: > > -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > How about we go to round III on the cutters.......or call it a "TKO". > > Who ever said that the wide head is for intricate cuts....can you see the > cutting wheel at all? > > IMHO, it is best used for STRAIGHT line cutting AGAINST a bar. If it the > same toyo I use, there is no offset, but a larger flat surface to track on a > straight edge..... > > enjoy...........H > > and again, why do you fill the cutters with oil?????????? > > -- > New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ > 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard > > E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass yeah the big head was meant only for straight cuts, becuase you really can't see what your doing.. as for the oil, you just do, maybe it's like drilling a hole in metal, you put oil in it to cool down the bit. i suppose some could write to a glass cutter company and ask why.... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 09:00:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDYo2-0001yma; Sat, 5 Apr 97 08:59 PST X-Path: techline.com!mamurphy From: Mike & Amy Murphy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Candlelight Designs Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 08:57:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970405165739.0067eedc@mail.techline.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have the Candlelight Designs book and have made over half of the candles. Lots of raves from people getting these as gifts. I don't alwys use the bevels in the designs because I'm one of those people who gets my second wind after work about 7:00PM and have the need to make something. A couple of favorite patterns have been "Casa Blanca" and "Governors Harbor." Last night I cut out "Barcelona" (without the bevels). The end caps you use for the candles need to get pretty hot to take the solder, then have a tendency to take forever, of course, to place on the candle holder. I feel that this book, and I have at least a hundred, is one of my favorites. Amy Mike and Amy Murphy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 09:08:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDYw1-0001Nya; Sat, 5 Apr 97 09:07 PST X-Path: aol.com!BactiBarbi From: BactiBarbi@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass ornaments Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 12:07:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1997Apr5.7721.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for a supplier of a specific glass ornament....hand blown, irridescent, 5" diameter, 1" thick round glass ornament (NOT a sphere). any info about where I can locate these (I know they exist...I have a few) please E-mail me. Thank you. BactiBarbi@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 09:26:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDZCs-00011Ka; Sat, 5 Apr 97 09:24 PST X-Path: catalina-inter.net!palomino From: palomino@catalina-inter.net (Margaret Palomino) To: Subject: Thanks Bungians! Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:28:24 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.12824.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All I'm VERY new to stained glass (4 months). I am currently working on my fifth project, a 17"x14" version of the pattern on the cover of Smith/Abbott's "Star Gazing" pattern book, which will be a gift to my daughter. I did tailor it a little, however, to make the cutting a little easier for a novice. Some of the original lines on the original pattern would have been absolutely impossible for me! Thank you all in this group for the wealth of invaluable information. I've been going through the archives, and have learned so much: I ran out an bought Ringstar pliers (they're fabulous), I have a good idea which grinder to purchase when I'm ready, and I do solemnly swear I will never purchase an Ed Sibbett pattern book! I also now realize that I have a long way to go in my cutting skills. I am in awe of all you folks who decry the use of grinders! I take a class once a week at a community adult school, and usually spend most of my time on the grinder! I have two questions: 1. Some of you have mentioned seeing a Vickie Payne on television giving stained glass tips. What is the program actually called? Is this a program that can be seen in Southern California? Does anyone now the time and schedule? 2. I have a 650 degree heat gun that I used years ago to "swell" puffy paint. The box says it is meant to remove paint and remelt adhesives. Does anyone have an opinion on: (a) Would it help in removing tacky wax from lamps after using the molds? (b) Is it too hot to use for warming up hard-to-cut glass? Again, thanks for all the great tips. I hope someday I'll be able to give even a tiny bit of what I'm getting! Margie P. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 10:24:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDa7V-0001p2a; Sat, 5 Apr 97 10:23 PST X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:30:01 +0000 Message-ID: <199704051818.NAA19654@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, everyone! I am just putting the finishing touches on a glass studio's site and would appreciate it if you'd take a look and tell me what you think. This is the new site of Cummings Studios, quite well known for its restoration work: http://www.cummingsstudios.com I've also been playing with my own pages at http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm What do you think? Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 11:18:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDavf-0001kYa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 11:15 PST X-Path: thezone.net!robertcrane From: robert crane To: glass@bungi.com Subject: computer generated heraldry Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 15:54:18 -0330 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.12618.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: thezone Precedence: bulk I was wondering if any of the group knew of a computer program which generated coats of arms. I have seen this in malls and also ads on the internet for family coats of arms by I am interested in the computer program which actually generates the product. Thanks to anyone who is able to supply any information. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 12:10:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDbmm-0001Z1a; Sat, 5 Apr 97 12:10 PST X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: "Albert Lewis" , Subject: Re: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 13:14:57 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 5 Apr 97, Albert Lewis wrote: > Hi, everyone! I am just putting the finishing touches on a glass > studio's site and would appreciate it if you'd take a look and tell > me what you think. This is the new site of Cummings Studios, quite > well known for its restoration work: > > http://www.cummingsstudios.com > > I've also been playing with my own pages at > > http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm What do you think? > > Albert > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > International Guild of Glass Artists > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > _________________________________________________________ > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] Albert, tried the cummings site and got an "no URL" error message. You site if gorgeous thos Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 13:46:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDdHA-0001uKa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 13:45 PST X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 16:41:59 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.114159.0> References: <<1997Apr5.12824.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Margaret Palomino wrote: > > Hi All > > I'm VERY new to stained glass (4 months). I am currently working on my > fifth > project, a 17"x14" version of the pattern on the cover of Smith/Abbott's > "Star Gazing" pattern book, which will be a gift to my daughter. I did > tailor it a little, however, to > make the cutting a little easier for a novice. Some of the original lines > on the > original pattern would have been absolutely impossible for me! > > Thank you all in this group for the wealth of invaluable information. I've > been going > through the archives, and have learned so much: I ran out an bought > Ringstar > pliers (they're fabulous), I have a good idea which grinder to purchase > when I'm > ready, and I do solemnly swear I will never purchase an Ed Sibbett pattern > book! > > I also now realize that I have a long way to go in my cutting skills. I am > in awe > of all you folks who decry the use of grinders! I take a class once a week > at a > community adult school, and usually spend most of my time on the grinder! > > I have two questions: > > 1. Some of you have mentioned seeing a Vickie Payne on television giving > stained glass tips. What is the program actually called? Is this a > program that can be seen in Southern California? Does anyone now the > time and schedule? > > 2. I have a 650 degree heat gun that I used years ago to "swell" puffy > paint. The box says it is meant to remove paint and remelt adhesives. > Does anyone have > an opinion on: > > (a) Would it help in removing tacky wax from lamps after > using the molds? > > (b) Is it too hot to use for warming up hard-to-cut glass? > > Again, thanks for all the great tips. I hope someday I'll be able to give > even a tiny > bit of what I'm getting! > > Margie P. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's called Vicki Payne, or vivki payne's stained glass. it's usally found on some cheapo network. i know it's been on for me at 12 midnite, then stopped and i never saw it again. as for the heat gun, it is to hot, it may cause thermal shock to the glass, and it may melt, if not warp your mold. the autobody industry uses it to carefully bend back a bent bumper cover. i'd use a hair drier, it'll get the job done, should be asfer to use, and there's less of a chance of you burning yourself. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 15:50:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDfDY-0001TLa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 15:49 PST X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, W.L.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Molds Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 18:53:07 -0800 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.10537.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Craft Nook, Inc. Precedence: bulk Give us a try before you buy ... Call or E-Mail us Thanks Walter and Rhonda The Craft Nook, Inc. 227 South 8th. Street Fernandina Bch., Fla. 32034 1-800-458-6292 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 16:01:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDfO1-0001Z9a; Sat, 5 Apr 97 16:00 PST X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 18:57:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.135725.0> References: <<1997Apr5.6294.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > and again, why do you fill the cutters with oil?????????? In an attempt to answaer the question of the century, I brought up an old Scientici American article about the effect of water on a fault in glass. Someone posted the URL of SI, and their archive goes back a year, for the "New' SI. There is and "Old' si, but they stop at 1895 or something. That's before I could read. But there is a 'Ask the Scientist' section on the home page. I posted our inquiry, and will forward to the group if and when I get an answer. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 16:47:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDg76-0001Z0a; Sat, 5 Apr 97 16:47 PST X-Path: idirect.com!gayowsky From: gayowsky To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: please unsubscribe Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 19:53:01 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.14531.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC41FB.0494F940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please unsubscribe. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC41FB.0494F940 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhYAAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AAgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAD0AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AU01UUABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAF AAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABAAAABnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20AAwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4A ATABAAAAEgAAACdnbGFzc0BidW5naS5jb20nAAAAAgELMAEAAAAVAAAAU01UUDpHTEFTU0BCVU5H SS5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAN8KwEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5N aWNyb3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQATAAAAcGxlYXNlIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlAD8HAQWAAwAO AAAAzQcEAAUAEwA1AAEABgAsAQEggAMADgAAAM0HBAAFABMANAANAAYANwEBCYABACEAAAA0ODhE OTVFREVEQUREMDExOTg5OTQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMAAIBwEDkAYAxAEAABIAAAALACMAAQAAAAMAJgAA AAAACwApAAEAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCgM67gJEK8AR4AcAABAAAAEwAAAHBsZWFzZSB1bnN1YnNj cmliZQAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbxCJOCm7ZWNSa3tEdCYmURFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01U UAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABUAAABnYXlvd3NreUBpZGlyZWN0LmNvbQAAAAADAAYQn4LpuQMABxARAAAA HgAIEAEAAAASAAAAUExFQVNFVU5TVUJTQ1JJQkUAAAACAQkQAQAAAKEAAACdAAAANQEAAExaRnX+ V3q//wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzO3 AuQHEwKDNBLMFMV9CoCLCM8J2TsXnzI1NQKABwqBDbELYG5nMTAzLxRQCwoVYgwBYwBAIFBIbGVh EbAgdQCAdeJiBPJiZS4Khxt7E1C6bxPQYwVACoUWwQAgQAAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAEAAABAAAcw oGUqxCRCvAFAAAgwoGUqxCRCvAEeAD0AAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAumE= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC41FB.0494F940-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 18:51:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDi35-0001tGa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 18:51 PST X-Path: mars.ark.com!wmunro From: wmunro@mars.ark.com (Wayne Munro) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:51:17 -0800 Message-ID: <199704060251.SAA16771@mars.ark.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Margie--Vicki Payne can be seen on the 'Nostalgia Channel' on satalite (it is an unscrambled channel) on Sunday Morning at 8:00--to 9:00 Am. (it varies!!) and also on the same channel on Wednesdays at 9:00 to 9:30 A.M. >To help with your cutting practise, go to a regular glass shop and ask them for broken pieces of plain glass--they usually just toss them out and you can practice cutting on them without ruining your good stained glass. oh yeah--with that tidbit comes this--you will ALWAYS break the last piece you cut at 11:00 pm on saturday night when the glass shop is closed for the weekend and you have no more....don't despare...bin there done that. >>Good luck and welcome aboard....Wayne >Hi All > >I'm VERY new to stained glass (4 months). I am currently working on my >fifth >project, a 17"x14" version of the pattern on the cover of Smith/Abbott's >"Star Gazing" pattern book, which will be a gift to my daughter. I did >tailor it a little, however, to >make the cutting a little easier for a novice. Some of the original lines >on the >original pattern would have been absolutely impossible for me! > >Thank you all in this group for the wealth of invaluable information. I've >been going >through the archives, and have learned so much: I ran out an bought >Ringstar >pliers (they're fabulous), I have a good idea which grinder to purchase >when I'm >ready, and I do solemnly swear I will never purchase an Ed Sibbett pattern >book! > >I also now realize that I have a long way to go in my cutting skills. I am >in awe >of all you folks who decry the use of grinders! I take a class once a week >at a >community adult school, and usually spend most of my time on the grinder! > >I have two questions: > >1. Some of you have mentioned seeing a Vickie Payne on television giving >stained glass tips. What is the program actually called? Is this a >program that can be seen in Southern California? Does anyone now the >time and schedule? > >2. I have a 650 degree heat gun that I used years ago to "swell" puffy >paint. The box says it is meant to remove paint and remelt adhesives. >Does anyone have > an opinion on: > > (a) Would it help in removing tacky wax from lamps after > using the molds? > > (b) Is it too hot to use for warming up hard-to-cut glass? > >Again, thanks for all the great tips. I hope someday I'll be able to give >even a tiny >bit of what I'm getting! > >Margie P. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 20:52:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDjv4-0001wba; Sat, 5 Apr 97 20:51 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 23:51:12 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr5.235112.0> References: <<199704051818.NAA19654@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > ...http://www.cummingsstudios.com > > I've also been playing with my own pages at > > http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm What do you think?... Hello, Albert. The cummingsstudio was unreachable. No URL existed. Your site looks great!!! I ***loved*** that the graphics were bold, interesting, and QUICK loading. On the front page, the grey type against the blue (world?) and the grey (sky?) is a little hard to read. Just a shade darker would help. On the clients page, Warner-C, McKarnar...(couldn't read the rest) and the IGGA logos either overlapped or seemed to overlap. I changed the size of my window several times, but this didn't go away. Otherwise, you have a winner. Take care, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 21:02:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDk5o-0001xza; Sat, 5 Apr 97 21:02 PST X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: A pleasant surprise Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 00:02:21 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr6.0221.0> References: <<199704051818.NAA19654@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk Tonight I had a pleasant surprise. As a hobbyist, I never really have to nor want to worry about the fair market value of my work. But our church had an art auction and I donated a piece to be bid on. I had seen pieces of the same ilk at a recent craft show selling for $175-$250. Having terrific self-confidence I put the minimum bid at $75. It went for $170!! I had *no* idea how *good* that would feel. I had lived in terror that NO ONE would bid on it! It was a pleasant surprise. But I am sooooooo glad that this is a hobby and not a living. Sighs of relief, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 21:30:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDkWt-0001rVa; Sat, 5 Apr 97 21:30 PST X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:30:06 -0800 Message-ID: <199704060530.VAA26558@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk 2. I have a 650 degree heat gun that I used years ago to "swell" puffy >paint. The box says it is meant to remove paint and remelt adhesives. >Does anyone have > an opinion on: > > (a) Would it help in removing tacky wax from lamps after > using the molds? > > (b) Is it too hot to use for warming up hard-to-cut glass? Marjie, welcome to glass. I think the gun might be too hot for warming glass unless you keep it moving. If I'm warming sheets I just stick them behind the wood stove for a bit. Before I foil glass, I either put it in a metal pan on the wood stove, or in warmer weather place them in an old electric frypan (garage sale ilk) to warm before foiling. This seems to make the foil adhere better. I usually have the electric fry pan on about 200 oF and find that makes the glass plenty hot to handle. About the tacky wax, I have no idea. Cheers Carol Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 21:57:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDkwU-000226a; Sat, 5 Apr 97 21:56 PST X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:02:15 +0000 Message-ID: <199704060556.AAA18953@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk try: > > http://www.cummingsstudio.com > > I've also been playing with my own pages at > > > > http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm What do you think? > > > > Albert > > > > Albert Lewis, Executive Director > > International Guild of Glass Artists > > A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization > > Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 > > _________________________________________________________ > > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] > > http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] > Albert, > > tried the cummings site and got an "no URL" error message. > > You site if gorgeous thos > Blessed Be > > Myrddn > > Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To > send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives > available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 5 22:15:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDlEj-0001a5a; Sat, 5 Apr 97 22:15 PST X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: "Hilary A. Bobker" Subject: Re: A pleasant surprise Date: Sat, 05 Apr 97 22:14:18 -0500 Message-ID: <199704060615.WAA19643@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hi Hillary.......I usually do not comment on this type of post, but.... It is quite a rush when people want your work and will PAY for it. After 15+ years, I too, sometimes have doubts about my work being out there. I WHOLESALE some smaller shades for a booster auction and have seen the prices bid up higher than they would have sold retail in a gallery. Enjoy your fame.....do the best you can, cut no corners, and do not be afraid to set a high value (but fair) on your work. enjoy............H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 05:10:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDqmC-0001yca; Sun, 6 Apr 97 05:10 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: computer generated heraldry Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 18:59:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199704061206.IAA02457@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I was wondering if any of the group knew of a computer program which > generated coats of arms. I have seen this in malls and also ads on the > internet for family coats of arms by I am interested in the computer > program which actually generates the product. Thanks to anyone who is > able to supply any information. Do you mean *real coats of arms for families that really existed? Or fake coats of arms for people with no royal background or claim to any dynasty that would merit a coat of arms? Or are you talking about *glass coats of arms? Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 05:11:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDqmL-00019da; Sun, 6 Apr 97 05:10 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 08:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199704061206.IAA02474@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > > tried the cummings site and got an "no URL" error message. Yes, I mis-typed the URL. Try http://www.cummingsstudio.com Sorry. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 05:11:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDqmM-0001AGa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 05:10 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 08:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: <199704061206.IAA02485@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Your site looks great!!! I ***loved*** that the graphics were bold, > interesting, and QUICK loading. On the front page, the grey type against > the blue (world?) and the grey (sky?) is a little hard to read. Just a > shade darker would help. On the clients page, Warner-C, > McKarnar...(couldn't read the rest) and the IGGA logos either overlapped > or seemed to overlap. I changed the size of my window several times, but > this didn't go away. Thanks for your input, Hilary. I'm upset to hear that the logos are overlapping; I've trapped each one inside a table and that's *supposed to keep them from doing that. There's so much that's controlled from the viewer's side of things (type face and size, in particular) that has to be kept in mind. It looks fine on *my monitor, but it's very helpful to hear how it appears on yours. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 07:57:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDtNR-0000wfa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 07:57 PDT X-Path: artisticglassusa.com!studio From: studio@artisticglassusa.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 11:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 9:30 AM 5/4/97, Albert Lewis wrote: >Hi, everyone! I am just putting the finishing touches on a glass >studio's site and would appreciate it if you'd take a look and tell >me what you think. This is the new site of Cummings Studios, quite >well known for its restoration work: > >http://www.cummingsstudios.com > >I've also been playing with my own pages at > >http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm What do you think? > >Albert > Albert, I was unable to pull up the cummings site. Your site looks good. On the clients page the Guild Sign overlaps the McKernan sign. Also on the same page the wording below Art in Architecture Press, Inc. is almost completely unreadable against the gray background. Other than those minor things, which should be pretty easy to adjust, I think it looks great! -Michael Michael Delaware www.artisticglassusa.com michael@artisticglassusa.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 08:59:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDuL1-0001Dqa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 08:58 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:57:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199704061557.KAA13453@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk glass-request@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 11:23:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDwbH-0001Aea; Sun, 6 Apr 97 11:23 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Thanks everyone Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:30:09 +0000 Message-ID: <199704061819.OAA21933@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk My gratitude to everyone who commented on my site and Cummings' ... your input was invaluable and I managed to catch and clean up some glitches. Those of you who haven't looked at the stained glass restoration's site-in-progress, the correct URL's http://www.cummingsstudio.com and my new-and-improved-thanks- to-the-people-on-bungi.com site is http://www.aiap.com/aldesign.htm Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 14:10:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDzBy-000060a; Sun, 6 Apr 97 14:09 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Nancyohara From: Nancyohara@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr6.13929.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I am new to this bungi. com thing, but I would really like to get any information I can about the Mosaic stones. I have been doing stained glass for 10 years on and off, mostly off recently, but am anxious to get back into it. The idea of the Mosaics seems terrific but I am not clear on how they come together. From the sound of the other messages, it does not appear to have any soldering involved but would use up all those boxes of glass pieces I have had lying around for ever. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 14:21:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDzMn-0001LIa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 14:20 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr6.132041.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk haven't been able to find the archives....having a blonde weekend i think...lost keys, jewelry, my way to my sisters house......sheesh. Any direction appreciated.... and whats with the Ed Sibett thing? losing my head, i think maureen ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 14:36:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wDzbU-0001mBa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 14:36 PDT X-Path: cornell.edu!bjs10 From: Barbara To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970406164706.246f96b6@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I may need some clarifications on this question .... I am hearing "why do you fill the cutters with OIL???" not, why do you use oil on glass? I would guess that you use oil on glass to reduce (or eliminate) friction.... Perhaps the question is "why do you FILL the cutters with oil? I don't fill it more than about a teaspoon at a time.... (mine leaks, too). And as for "OIL" it would seem to me that oil would reduce friction better than water, or are there other fluids to choose from? Or... is using it empty and dipped into oil better? Or .... does using nothing work just as well (or better) as using oil or using water... (I have never used water or nothing.) Ain't this language grand? At 06:57 PM 4/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >> > and again, why do you fill the cutters with oil?????????? >In an attempt to answaer the question of the century, I brought up an >old Scientici American article about the effect of water on a fault in >glass. Someone posted the URL of SI, and their archive goes back a year, >for the "New' SI. There is and "Old' si, but they stop at 1895 or >something. That's before I could read. But there is a 'Ask the >Scientist' section on the home page. I posted our inquiry, and will >forward to the group if and when I get an answer. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > B. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 15:40:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE0be-0000y3a; Sun, 6 Apr 97 15:40 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 15:34:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr6.83458.0> References: <<2.2.16.19970406164706.246f96b6@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara wrote: > or are there other fluids to choose from? Or... is using it empty and > dipped into oil better? Or .... does using nothing work just as well (or > better) as using oil or using water... (I have never used water or nothing.) Barbara, If you use nothing, you will wear out your cutting wheel way too fast, get real crapy score lines and have problems snapping the glass. As for using it empty and dipping, I do fill my pencil grip with oil but I need to pump the spring to get it oiling the wheel so I took some paper towels and cut about a 6 layer round that would fit in the lid of my oil container, (any kind of lid will do) soaked it with oil, and before each cut I roll my cutting wheel across it a couple of times. I have been doing glass since 1979 except for about 6 years out of that stretch and I have yet to have to replace my cutting wheel. Go figure! Everything else I ever buy wears out!! Just my two cents...Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 16:01:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE0vW-00000oa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 16:00 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr6.15040.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Just thought you would like to know about the oil/ other liquid thing. First off, it does help reduce friction, and help score better. Second, the cutters are generally made of carbon steel or similar, and oil helps reduce chances of rust, and also helps the cutter live for years. Ever keep a razor in oil? Lasts alot longer, huh? Check out Spectrum's web site - www.spectrumglass.com/ They have an article in information archives about the properties of glass & also an article about cutting underwater with scissors!!!! Also, the product instructions that came with my new Toyo say to use Kerosene and to fill never more than half full. It says a thicker fluid is likely to cause clogging. Anyone use kerosene??? Kris P.S. I am happy to say that the company I bought my leaky Toyo from has agreed to replace it!!!! I had tried everything you wonderful people suggested, and nothing worked. I actually think the plastic was not formed correctly and has acrack in it. Anyways, I can't wait to get one that is not leaky!!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 16:33:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE1R5-0000gea; Sun, 6 Apr 97 16:33 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:40:00 +0000 Message-ID: <199704062328.TAA09342@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > having a blonde weekend Hey! No blondism's allowed here! Albert (a dirty blond ... well, mostly grey) Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 17:12:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE22P-0001qqa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 17:11 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: A pleasant surprise Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199704070011.BAA05516@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Hilary and all Bunginians, Conggratulations! Never underestimate yourself! But - as Howard says - don't cut corners either. Had a similar experience a few years ago with a copper-foil clock I had donated for an an auction to raise funds for a Rudolf Steiner school arts scholarship. I am a "lead"-person and my confidence with copper-foil somewhat "lacking". It was a simple pendulum clock. I put a price of about USD.150 on it - and it sold for 600. Peggy Johnson (a fellow US Bunginian) and I have spent today cutting glass according to the English method. My US Bunginian "chickens" and I are now back from Chartres in France. It was an experience of a life-time and once I have waded through my 500-odd e-mail messages, I will begin to tell you all about it, as well as keeping all sorts of other "promises" I have made. Elisabeth and Toby are back in circulation (sort of). Good luck Hilary and have courage! Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 17:12:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE22P-0001sva; Sun, 6 Apr 97 17:11 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dave Rand solves problem! Yeaaaa!!!! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199704070011.BAA05522@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Lee (and All) Thanks for putting me on the spot!!!! I took prints, Peggy took slides, Kathe bought a disposable camera, and.... and.... In any case, what I intend to do (though it will take a little time...) is to make a write-up about our visit, complete with pics and send it to whosoever can translate it into something visible on the Net in the Group.... Lee Boe wrote: From now on if we have images we want to share, we can do as he suggests. Especially the pictures Elisabeth is getting of the bungianian groups Chartres trip. Elisabeth 'n Toby ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 17:12:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE22S-0001lia; Sun, 6 Apr 97 17:12 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199704070011.BAA05526@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, Catching up here. Don't know if this is Round 2 or Round 3. I have a number of oil cutters, including one of the pistol grip (which leaks als. Will try the idea of stuffing cotton wool into it, as someone suggested). As lubricant for my oil cutters, I have been taught here in the UK to use just "white spirit". It is not as "heavy" as sewing macchine oil or 3-in-1. Peggy Johnson and I discussed it this afternoon aand I realize now that the term "white spirit" might mean nothing to you. She had a "sniff" at the white spirit and thought it was what you call kerosene - except that it isn't. I looked up in my Chamber's Dictionary of Science & Technology for a definition: " Petroleum distillate used as a substitute for turpentine". My English-Swedish scientific dictionary translates it as : "mineral turpentine, crystal oil, varnolene". Into this, I squirt a couple of dashes of WD-40. That's my "cutting oil" .... and my 2 cents worth. Helpful?? Elisabeth 'n Toby Myrddn wrote: . What do you use for oil? > Blessed Be ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 17:12:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE22U-0001CDa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 17:12 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Dave Rand solves problem! Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:23:03 +0000 Message-ID: <199704070011.BAA05529@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Dave & Glenna, When I have got that far, will consult with you first. Maybe "hard-copy" through snail-mail might also be useful. Dunno. But then I am still a computer "nerd". Have only the very, very basics off computer/Internet system.. Another question to you (Dave & Glenna) Might I have "graduated" to being listed in my own rights as "North Lights".?? "Kris" (my computer guru) has set up my web-page and got me hooked up to "Glass@Bungi", but the link is listed & named as "Kris Gallery" (or something like that). He has asked you a couple of times on my behalf to change that (to establish my independence). No success so far....... Have I earned my "stripes" enough for you to help me to do something about this?? Elisabeth 'n Toby Dave Rand wrote: Those letters and numbers are a coding system that allows binary attachments to be sent through email systems. In general, please do not send attachments through a mailing list (it clutters everyone's email, even those that are not interested). If you have images you wish others to see, please email them directly to Glenna or me, and we will place them on the web page. ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 17:56:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE2jP-000031a; Sun, 6 Apr 97 17:56 PDT X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mos Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:01:30 +0000 Message-ID: <199704070055.UAA12053@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Nancy, Since you are on aol, try seraching the boards there. In crafts niche there are two spots where mosaics and stepping stones are discussed at some length. One is on "other crafts board" there is a mosaics folder. The other place is on the stained glass board where there is a glass stepping stone folder. Good stuff there. M.-J. On 6 Apr 97, I found these words from Nancyohara@aol.com in my mailbox: > Dawn, > > I am new to this bungi. com thing, but I would really like to get > any information I can about the Mosaic stones. I have been doing > stained glass for 10 years on and off, mostly off recently, but am > anxious to get back into it. The idea of the Mosaics seems terrific > but I am not clear on how they come together. From the sound of the > other messages, it does not appear to have any soldering involved > but would use up all those boxes of glass pieces I have had lying > around for ever. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: > glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: > glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 19:29:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE4Ae-0001gua; Sun, 6 Apr 97 19:28 PDT X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: shyguy To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr6.18257.0> References: <<2.2.16.19970406164706.246f96b6@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I was taught to never score dry - we were given a recipe of 8 parts kerosene to 1 part light machine oil (such as 3 in 1). Before I bought a Toyo cutter, I used a Fletcher without a resivoir, but dipped the cutter in a jar of the mixture. I remember my father using kerosene with one of the 'generic' hardware store cutters when repairing windows around the house. I guess we'll have to wait for the Scientic American people to shed some light on this. I may need some clarifications on this question .... I am hearing "why do > you fill the cutters with OIL???" not, why do you use oil on glass? I > would guess that you use oil on glass to reduce (or eliminate) friction.... > Perhaps the question is "why do you FILL the cutters with oil? I don't fill > it more than about a teaspoon at a time.... (mine leaks, too). And as for > "OIL" it would seem to me that oil would reduce friction better than water, > or are there other fluids to choose from? Or... is using it empty and > dipped into oil better? Or .... does using nothing work just as well (or > better) as using oil or using water... (I have never used water or nothing.) > Ain't this language grand? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 19:58:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE4dQ-000035a; Sun, 6 Apr 97 19:58 PDT X-Path: ebtech.net!proffire From: Doug Scale To: glass@bungi.com Subject: using paint stripper for heating glass Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 23:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr6.1909.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Margie, Haven't tried that particular heater but i did use a portable ceramic heater in my workshop to keep me warm this past winter. When i tried to use it to heat glass before scoring i found it did not heat the glass evenly and some of my cuts went everywhere but where I wanted them. Some of the glass was really hot to touch but other areas could be handled. Think someone else also stated about the uneven heating you might get and thus the uneven breaking. Try it on some scraps before using on your working glass. If it works let us know. Doug Scale ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 20:10:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE4oR-00004ka; Sun, 6 Apr 97 20:09 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Bubstah From: Bubstah@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr6.19935.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I had suggested the other day - try using lamp oil, it is cheap and it works great. Thanks for all your tips. Now it is my turn to share. Bubstah ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 22:07:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE6eJ-00001aa; Sun, 6 Apr 97 22:07 PDT X-Path: pond.net!gkjaer From: George Kjaer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Gold Electroplate Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <199704070507.WAA28940@guppy.pond.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi There are new plating fluids that do not require cyanide as a base. Cant find the flyer which came about 6 months ago but the Rio Grande Jewelry Tool and Supplies (1-800545 6566) probably can supply the stuff although they are pretty committed to selling their Midas line of plating equipment. They are very accomodating and nice to work with. They will send you a complete catalog for the asking. Also read some older jewelry devices using a battery charger to provice the rectified current at three amps. Read it in a book in a second hand shop in San Diego waiting for my wife to look at the antiques there. Should have bought the book but I didnt and it wasnt there next time I got there. To plate on glass you probably will have to put on three layers starting with graphite, then a layer of copper and then the gold. gkjaer@pond.net At 07:59 PM 3/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >I would echo Mike Savad on this, I just bought an electroplate kit,which >I have not had a chance to try out yet. I am also a Jeweler, and have >experience with electroplating,and gold leafing, or I would not try it. >The larger electroplating equipment is quite expensive, and unless you >have a laboratory setting very dangerous to use. Must use Cyanide. Try >to find a commercial plating company in your area to do this. Yes, it >does work. Plating can be done in nickel, silver, chrome, gold, etc. >You just have to find a commercial outfit that will do it. Volume >helps. There is one in Minnesota, I think, that does the work for >Stained glass artists, at a pretty reasonable rate. And can reship it >to you in your original crates (boxes, whatever) It is more economical >to find a local company if there is one in your area. If you wish, I >can dig out the info. and address of the Minnesota Co.... > >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations > >Tina & David Plummer wrote: >> >> Just thought I'd introduce myself to the group. I have been doing glass = >> for about 7 years as a hobby. >> I am wondering about how to add a gold electroplate to ornaments. >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 22:16:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE6mm-00008ra; Sun, 6 Apr 97 22:16 PDT X-Path: pond.net!gkjaer From: George Kjaer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Plant Sconces Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:16:04 -0700 Message-ID: <199704070516.WAA29139@guppy.pond.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi My wife just finished the Master Gardener class and tells me the proper ratio is: Garden Loam 1 part Vermiculite 1/2 part Perllite or Sand 1 part Peat Moss 1 part Add one tspn superphosphate to each quart of this mix. For a richer mix use compost instead of the peat moss. She points I dig. gkjaer@pond.net At 03:53 PM 3/30/97 -0100, you wrote: >Hi, I am getting ready to make plant sconces in stained glass. I have >limited amount of kitchen counter space and thought that having my herbs >hang on the wall would give me the herbs and have some nice glass pieces >hanging around the kitchen.. I know that this is not the stained glass >that I need help with, but I know we have a wide range of fellowcraftmen >that might help me.. Does anyone have the ratio for for non organic >potting soil.. I found some vermiculite, peat moss and perlite in the >basement.. I know longer remember there mixture.. >Thanks, >Gloria >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 6 22:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wE6yC-0001Mga; Sun, 6 Apr 97 22:27 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Are you in supply sales? Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr6.212746.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Looking to correspond with someone who works in the business selling retail or has started their own business. Taking the plunge & opening a store soon- still in the planning stages, but looking for as much advice, wisdom & mentoring as possible from someone who has been there. I now own a home studio. Thanks, Kris PS please email me @ krissymar@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 03:29:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEBfV-0000gka; Mon, 7 Apr 97 03:28 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Plant Sconces Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr7.22849.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To: Gloria From: Eleanor (Yegnim@aol) I am looking for some unusual pieces to make and I have never encountered herb/plant sconces before. Would you share info with me? Did you use a custom pattern or make your own? What hardware for hanging do you intend to use? I would love to see what they look like! Could you send me a pattern with instructions? If you e-mail me personally I can give you my mailing address as I don't believe we are supposed to give that info on bungi space. I will be happy to pay any postage due. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 05:05:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEDAV-0000jAa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 05:05 PDT X-Path: CompuServe.COM!104344.622 From: "Christie Wood & George D'Ascenzo" <104344.622@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:wood@telalink.net" , Subject: Re: butterfly molds Date: 07 Apr 97 08:01:28 EDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.12128.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Message text written by INTERNET:wood@telalink.net >No one has mentioned using the 4 1/4" tile mold or the 24" tree ring molds yet. I thought these were a good idea. The tile mold takes a different kind of cement because it is so thin.< I make three test tiles using the 4 1/4" tile mold, and am not terribly impressed. I used Quickcrete and had terrible results, as the little rocks in the concrete were too large for such a thin mold. I think the 4 1/4" mold is just too thin to begin with, but I am still trying to get a good, clean tile out of it. I am going to try again and screen out the rocks from the Quickcrete. Another option is to switch over to Portland cement or something much finer than Quickcrete. On the other hand, I did two stepping stones using the double brick (8 x 8) mold, using Quickcrete and a chicken wire mesh for internal support, and they turned out nicely. In fact, sold them this weekend at a show for $35 a piece. But I'm just not happy with the 4 1/4" tiles. Anybody else have experience (hopefully better than mine) with these little tiles? ...Christie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 06:10:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEEAw-00000za; Mon, 7 Apr 97 06:09 PDT X-Path: UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU!HCLADM02 From: mail To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 09:05:19 EDT Message-ID: <970407.090927.EDT.HCLADM02@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> References: <<199704060251.SAA16771@mars.ark.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk As Wayne says...(it was Wayne, wasn't it...my memory is so short when Daylight Savings Time begins and I'm feeling sleep deprived), you'll break the last piece of glass on Saturday evening...glass store won't be open until Tuesday...and the piece should be done on Monday. That's when you think..."Gee, you know, I think a pattern line would look real good there. yup, right across the leaf the wrong way. Add some interest to the design." Dorothy -- Dorothy Kalahan, Interlibrary Loan (860) 679-2940 FAX (860) 679-4046 UCONN Health Center Library, POB 4003, Farmington CT 06034-4003 HCLADM02@UConnVM.uconn.edu ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 07:08:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEF4w-0000u7a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:07 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:06:42 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.6642.0> References: <<1997Apr6.18257.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk shyguy wrote: > > I was taught to never score dry - we were given a recipe of 8 parts > kerosene to 1 part light machine oil (such as 3 in 1). > Before I bought a Toyo cutter, I used a Fletcher without a resivoir, but > dipped the cutter in a jar of the mixture. I remember my father using > kerosene with one of the 'generic' hardware store cutters when repairing > windows around the house. I guess we'll have to wait for the Scientic > American people to shed some light on this. > I may need some clarifications on this question .... I am hearing "why > do > > you fill the cutters with OIL???" not, why do you use oil on glass? I > > would guess that you use oil on glass to reduce (or eliminate) friction.... > > Perhaps the question is "why do you FILL the cutters with oil? I don't fill > > it more than about a teaspoon at a time.... (mine leaks, too). And as for > > "OIL" it would seem to me that oil would reduce friction better than water, > > or are there other fluids to choose from? Or... is using it empty and > > dipped into oil better? Or .... does using nothing work just as well (or > > better) as using oil or using water... (I have never used water or nothing.) > > Ain't this language grand? > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i use a mix of 50 kerosene to 50 3-in-1, i always pour some into my cutter. i never believed in putting it into a jar, because no matter what was in the bottom, weither it was paper towel, steel wool, cotton, etc, you are still dropping the cutter on it's wheel. you would through a diamond ring around, most people place it down. there's still a chance of messing up the axel, or putting a nick in the wheel. and of course you wind up getting may more oil on the glass that you should be. if you have the gold tip fletcher-terry series cutter, you'll notice the amount of oil that should be laid down; not very much. i forget the person who mentioned the wd-40 on glass bevels, i'd be real carefull doing this, mainly because if your not paying attention for even a split second as your breaking it, your fingers could slide into the break, and give you a good cut. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 07:32:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEFSj-0000j5a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:32 PDT X-Path: hiline.net!rgvmuse From: Rio Grande Valley Museum To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.44028.0> References: <<199704051818.NAA19654@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HiLine Internet Customer Precedence: bulk Albert Lewis wrote: > > Hi, everyone! This is the new site of Cummings Studios, > > http://www.cummingsstudios.com > > Albert, hi. i tried to retrieve this URL and i can't get in - is the URL correct? Linn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 07:43:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEFco-0000hxa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:42 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: white spirits Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:37:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970407084535.1cafabfe@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi all; I was buying expensive "white spirits" in little jars for my painting on glass, and a friend who is a profesional oil painter and teacher told me that it was no more and no less than turpentine , certainly I found I could use them interchangeably. Meg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 07:43:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEFco-0001HVa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:42 PDT X-Path: sol.racsa.co.cr!rlaval From: Richard LaVal To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:37:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970407084525.28270538@sol.racsa.co.cr> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Also, the product instructions that came with my new Toyo say to use Kerosene >and to fill never more than half full. It says a thicker fluid is likely to >cause clogging. Anyone use kerosene??? Kris > Actually the guys who cut window glass for a living here, have a paint brush in kerosene, and paint the score line with it right before they score. I tried that in my Toyo pistol grip and it leaked, then I tried a mixture of 3 in 1 oil and kerosene, which leaks, but less... when I really cut down with the leaking was with the straight 3 in 1 (and a new head). Meg ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 07:52:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEFmF-0000B2a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 07:52 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:52:06 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk [In the message entitled "Re: Cutters, round 2" on Apr 7, 10:06, "M. Savad" writes:] > shyguy wrote: > > > > I was taught to never score dry - we were given a recipe of 8 parts > > kerosene to 1 part light machine oil (such as 3 in 1). Me too...my teacher told me never to score glass without it. -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 08:48:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEGe0-0000fra; Mon, 7 Apr 97 08:47 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Breaking bevels Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.74350.0> References: <<1997Apr4.5189.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Mike & all, re: Breaking bevels-WD-40. These are 1" x 2" glass bevels, and I don't have enough hand or finger strength to break by hand. Even if you do, don't try to break by hand. Put drops of oil on the cut line, score on flat side, use a "RingStar" by GlassStar to do the break. Line up the top circle on top/pin pivot on score line on flat side. Sqeeze gently. I broke over 40 bevels (longwise) and not a mis-break among the lot. If you don't know what a "RingStar" looks like, go to local glass shop. It is not like any other breaker I have seen. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 08:55:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEGkh-00003wa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 08:54 PDT X-Path: televar.com!fishbait From: Bonnie Clark To: glass@BUNGI.COM Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:54:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.15442.0> References: <<1997Apr7.44028.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Rio Grande Valley Museum wrote: > > Albert Lewis wrote: > > > > Hi, everyone! This is the new site of Cummings Studios, > > > > http://www.cummingsstudios.com > > > > > Albert, > hi. i tried to retrieve this URL and i can't get in - is the URL > correct? Linn > ---- I can't reach this site either. Bonnie Clark > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 09:32:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEHKj-0000kEa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 09:31 PDT X-Path: mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:31:36 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Looks like the URL should have been: http://www.cummingsstudio.com =Gary >Rio Grande Valley Museum wrote: >> >> Albert Lewis wrote: >> > >> > Hi, everyone! This is the new site of Cummings Studios, >> > >> > http://www.cummingsstudios.com >> > >> > >> Albert, >> hi. i tried to retrieve this URL and i can't get in - is the URL >> correct? Linn >> ---- > >I can't reach this site either. >Bonnie Clark > > >> For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >> To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >> Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 10:15:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEI0h-000052a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 10:15 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping Stones Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 12:18:53 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.191853.0> References: <<1997Apr2.04432.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Your mail reader is not using the MIME attachment standard. To read all of this message, use a MIME V1.0 compliant reader. Some parts of this message may be in a human readable form. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --860440734=_Mail_2_=1218325718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bonnie, The file I'm attaching is just my own compilation of the exchanges that = took place regarding stepping stones and mosaics. It covers all the arch= ives, from the inception of Bungi through the last archives posted (March= , 1997). It's in ASCII format and I just saved it and pulled it into my = wordprocessing program when I tested it out, and that seemed to work fine= . I hope some of the information in the posts are helpful to you. Dawn --860440734=_Mail_2_=1218325718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="STONES.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STEPPING STONES AND MOSAICS Hi Kathy, I have several questions about these stones, not the least of which is = why the forms cost so much money!!! As I understand it they have to cure for = at least three days before they can be taken out of the form. At this rate = it will either cost $$$$$$$$ to be able to make them or I can settle to mak= e three of four using just one form. However, I'm curious about how well = the wood forms hold up. Do the sides have to slope at an angle or can they = be straight up & down? It seems that if I would want to color the concrete = mix I would need to be able to do a large number at a time so that I would = get all the same color. Also, do you have to grind down the edges of the glass so the edges are = not flat? And, what kind of glass would do best in these stones? It seems as though the opaque would probably be best, maybe? I make wedding cakes as a hobby and I have a whole closet of wilton bakin= g pans in all different shapes and sizes, mostly about 2" deep, that are = no longer usable to bake in. I would like to know if it would be possible = to make the stones in these. I want to continue to support our local glass = shop but the owner is adamant that they can't be make in anything but the commercial form. Kathy, I'd love to hear what you think of the stepping stones after you take that class. Thanks ---- From: glaslady@tiac.net (glaslady) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re:stepping stones Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:50:27 GMT I've got all 3 plastic forms and use them frequently - I make stones as house gifts when I go to visit gardening friends. opalescent glass works best and I've found that if I grond the edges slightly, I like the finish better. the plastic forms make for easy removal - and work better than the wooden forms I'd tried earlier I'm now working on a benchdesign for my own garden, which will complement the 12 stones I've made for myself if flower patterns of plants I have = in my garden. ---- I'd originally thought of selling the stones, but see no way to recoup = the time and materials unless selling direct. probably the offshore market = will latch onto this as they have lamps, and make it harder of us to compete.I= 'm really tired of explaining to potential customers at shows why I can't compete price wise with 'those tiffany lamps ' made by dale tiffany - of course, I don't have assembly line factories in taiwan & korea - and when you look at my lamps, they look as polished on the inside as they do on = the outside, which most of the offshore models don't....but it's like explain= ing to someone who stopped by my stand at a show in Maine and commented that = he really liked the beercan airplanes better than my stained glass kaleidesc= ope ones and that I'd sell alot more if I made them in beer cans - just look = at the business the guy with the beer cans was doing (he was right - the man clean up....but I don't want to make stuff out of beer cans.....) ---- The stones that were on display at my supplier's were done in opalescent glass(an irridesent red was stunning) and the colors were so bright and vibrant. ---- From: BLFstar@aol.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:51:03 -0500 I, too, have all three molds - two of each. They really are great and = will last pratically forever. I only leave mine in the molds for 36 - 48 hour= s. The book suggests 3 to 5 days, but there seems to be no need if you want= to keep churning them out. I pour three at a time, so I don't have to mix = up the cement so often. If you make your own molds, just be sure to coat them with petroleum jell= y to ensure you can get them out. (Another reason for not waiting too long = to remove them from the mold). Use opalescent or irridized glass. Cathedral glass would allow the concr= ete to show through and add a grey cast to your glass. The colors are really quite vibrant and quite attractive. Don't hesitate to use art glass, as = the cheaper glass will probably not please you. The book and addtional patterns are all quite good and easy to follow. = But don't hesitate to use other patterns you think would be nice. I've used = a butterfly and a cat pattern - had to be enlarged and a border added, but = that was easy. Lots of possibilities to customize to your liking. They're = lots of fun - and no lead or solder! Have fun. Barbara ---- From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" Subject: stepping stones Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:02:34 -0500 (EST) Hi There has been some talk about the stepping stones... I thought that I = could add my 2 cents... I teach all of the stepping stone classes at the store = that I work at so i have had some experience with them. I too am not totally sold on the forms... I think that they are a bit pri= cy for what you get. About two weeks ago I was experimenting with a new for tha= t is also plastic but not quite as stiff as the Tiffany Garden one, this new = one is also a hexagon, but it costs about half the price of the other one and = in my oppinion it works better.... the stones come out alot easier. You don't = need to use petrolium jelly on it (not that I did) to take out the stones you = just give it a twist and they pop right out. Also the corners are a bit sharp= er and they yeild a cleaner edge. I have also used pans...like old cake pans...= those you need to make sure that you "grease" real well. As far as glass.... I like the opals best... I have found that the Bullse= ye, Oceana, Uroboros and Youghiogheny glass make the best stones...the glass = has a neat luster in and of itself. In fact some of the glass looks better in = stones than it does in a window. I have had students that wanted to use cathedr= als glass and have been sorry that they didn't spend the money on an opal... = also I have seen the iridescent glass used, and that looks neat too...one studen= t used an Armstrong wispy amber and white iridescent and put the irisdescent inw= ard against the cement but the glass was just light enough that you could see= a hint of the iridescent through the glass and it gave the glass depth adn = looked really neat when it was done. Patterns: I have been making some of my own and I have used stained glas= s patterns as well... I recently made the Moonrose fairie from the Fairie = Lights book...that one turned out ever cool. A guy that I work with used anothe= r stained glass pattern and made a table top for and antique table, and tha= t turned out very cool as well. I try to tell my students that they need = to explore other patterns than what are in the book because otherwise they = will get board doing the same ones over and over, and unfortunately I think = that there is the misconception that the only patterns that can be done are = those that say taht they are for mosaic patio stones. Also, something else that I do that isn't in the book... I use gravel mix cement and omit the chicken wire... the gravel in the cement provides the strength adn I then don't have to have a roll of chicken wire around. = I haven't had a problem, and the ones that I made last spring are surviving= our winter here in Michigan. Well that is my 2 cents... If anyone has any suggestions or questions please let me know... I'm allw= ays looking for more info to pass on to students. Lisa R. ---- I thought that the price on these new forms was half the price of the oth= er ones but they are only about 10.oo cheaper, still it's cheaper and I thin= k that they are easier to use. Oh and to clearify, these forms are the hexagon ones....I don't know if they have them in the 8x8 or the 4x8, although = those forms are very easy to use as it is and they range from 15.95 to 19.95 = I believe, at least at our store. As far as size of the piece of glass to use for the stones...I have never= had a problem with the size...the cement totally supports the glass from the = back so it isn't too likely that you would have an area that wasn't supported eno= ugh to step on. In the store we thought that that might be a problem so we set = our some square foot pieces of glass and walked on them and they were support= ed by the cement floor and they didn't break, and I think that everyone in the = store took a shot at walking on them. But then again i don't think that the ide= a is to use really large pieces in your design, mosaics inherently use small = pieces. TTYL Lisa R. ---- Hi Andrea and Gary(and anyone else who hasn't tried stepping stones)) Yes I can outline the steps (not very briefly) but I will try.Any step I accidently leave out ,I hope someone on the list will help me out.OK! Here goes! 1.Take your pattern(any pattern is acceptable)and cut out the pieces inside the lines.Lead pattern scissors were mentioned.A space of1/8"between pattern pieces is good to allow concrete to flow between .Plan to leave a1/4"space around the outside of your pattern and the form. 2. Use opaque glass with good surface color as no light will filter thru the concrete.Cut as usual but again cut on the inside of your line to allow space for concrete.The teachers disagreed on the need to grind.One said no but one thought if the glass did not lay flat for some reason it could cut someone who dared to walk on it. 3.A form is needed. There are plastic forms on the market or you can make wooden ones.Remember to cut walls with a 71/2 degree angle.Coat the area where the bottom and the sides of the mold meet with petroleum jelly.This will help release the stone from the mold later on. 4.When you have cut and laid out your glass on your pattern,cover the glass carefully with a clear sheet of adhesive-backed vinyl to keep the glass from moving in the form.Pick up the glass(which is all stuck to the vinyl) and place it in the form ,clear vinyl side down.If you need to adjust any glass ,now is your last chance.. 5.Mix" topping mix"to a creamy thickness and cover glass with 1/4" of mixture.Allow the cement to move between the glass.Remember to gently tap the bottom and sides to release air bubbles.. 6.Add more topping mix to half fill the form. 7. Use reinforcing wire such as chicken wire or someone suggested old wire hangers and lay it on the topping mix careful not to come too close to the edges. 8. mix up concrete mix and fill the mold to about 1/2" from the top.Again tap sides and bottom for about 5mins to help get rid of most of the trapped air. 9. Smooth out the bottom and sop up any extra water that maybe laying on the concrete. 10.I read somewhere (perhaps in theTiffany Garden book) that you should leave the stone to harden for approx 3 days.Our instructor thought only about 36 hours in the form and 3-5 days out .30 days to cure before putting outdoors. 11. Gently turn over the form and gently bang it on the table and if all is well, it should pop out.Clean the glass and fill in any little spots with a little concrete mixed up to fill air bubbles or inperfections.Someone in the seminar suggested coloring the concrete with plaster of paris(to give it an off white color) or if doing several colored concrete stones be very precise with your measurements of concrete and color. I hope that answers your questions.Meatloaf pans,muffin pans,round cake pans,etc were all suggested forms but Carole,no one was willing to comment on the Wilton cake forms."Too risky" was the consensus. Too difficult was also mentioned! I am not a typist so I will close now so I can still use my fingers = for the important things in life...like foiling.Jump in everyone to fill in any steps I missed!. In step 11(I think!) I forgot to mention when you pop out the stone peel off the vinyl. As for topping mix,good question!I am not a masonary engineer by trade, so I took my husband with me to the seminar.Topping premix is actually a finer mix than concrete(perhaps cement?)Both the cement and concrete that was used was a premixed that was mixed with water. Maybe someone out there can explain it better.Both bags of powder were labelled as premixed concrete and topping mix.(2 different bags) Andrea, as for the Wilton cake tins,they are a cake decorators form that comes in many different shapes with indentations of different pics and characters.Many children's bithday cakes are made this way. I think they are aluminum.Perhaps Carole can elaborate on this bette= r than me. Bye for now! Kathy ---- From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:47:12 -0500 (EST) Hello All, I thought that I would share my two cents worth on Patio Stones... I teach the Patio Stones classes at the store that I work at and i have = a few pointers that I think you might find helpful. To begin make sure that you have a copy of your pattern available, not = just the original. Alot of times it's easier to cut and trace than to try to use = a light box. I assume that you all would think of it but I thought that = I would still remind you. I tell my students to start cutting their main image pieces...say the flower and the foliage and the ribbon (I'm going by the patterns in the Tiffany Garden book.). Leave the backgound pieces til = last because you can cut those to fit in around any pieces that might not be = exactly to the pattern. Keep in mind that mosaics are not like stained glass in = that all the pieces need to fit exactly, alot of people that do stained glass = try to cut it all "lock and key" fit and it's not necessary for a mosaic piece. = Once you have the main image cut out, I have found that it's alot easier to = get a nice looking gap if you take a piece of contact paper and cut it to the = hex of the pattern adn lay it sticky side up on top of the pattern and lay out = your pieces face up on top of the sticky contact. The contact paper will keep= all of your pieces in place as you work. If the contact paper is sliding aro= und too much, tape the corners to keep it on you pattern. Once I'm done with= the flowers and stuff, I cut the background. I have found that some of the = pieces in the Tiffany Garden book are very difficult to cut unless you ahve a = bandsaw and therefore I tell my students to cut it as close as possible and then = to cut the background piece to fit, or if the piece is very tiny, and there are = some that are very tiny, I suggest eliminating that piece. Omitting a few sma= ll pieces doesn't change the look of the stone at all. Also, I don't like = to grind my pieces unless it's somthing like the ribbon which I want very = smoothe. Not grinding serves two purposes, it keeps the edges a bit rough adn the = cement then has more area to grip the glass and hold it in place, and it makes = the process alot faster, decreasing the amount of time that you spend running= back adn forth between the grinder and your piece. If you're concerned about = how it will look, don't be. The cement will cover it up and once you seal the = stones any edges that you may think are sharp will be glazed over and dulled. = When all of the pieces are cut and placed where you want them, then cut anoth= er piece of contact paper and place it over the top of the glass, smoothe = it out and turn the "sandwich" of contact paper and glass and contact paper over= adn take off the contact from the back of the glass. If you want to cut a = bunch of stones in the winter andd then pour them in the summer, then leave the = two pieces of contact paper on the glass and that will keep all of you pieces= in place untill your ready to pour the cement. Keep in mind that as they = sit the contact will get a bit tacky and when you take the backing off the glass = it make take a bit of care. Ok...put the glass into the form, you should = be looking at the back of the glass. I use "Ready-Mix" or "Quik-Crete" bran= ds of GRAVEL mix. The book uses a top mix, which is an all sand cement mix, = but it isn't the strongest stuff. The Gravel mix contains the gravel which is = what gives the cement more strength, thus eliminating the need for chicken wir= e reinforcement in the stone. I usually mix up the cement and place a few = cups onto the glass and rub the cement down into the cracks with my hands. = This forces the smaller, sandy pieces of the mix onto the top surface of your = stone and gives a better finish. When I think that it's ready I pour the rest = of the cement into the back, completely filling the form. I have found that the= most important part of making the stones is getting the cement mixed up proper= ly. I mix that is too wet will cause the lime and jipsum particals to rise to = the back of the stone as the water evaporates and those particles are what = keep it all "glued" together. I usually mix up some of the cement and water and = when I think that it's the consitancy that I need I make a well, like in baking,= in the center if the cement and let it stand a minute or two. If water pudd= les in that well at all then the mix is too wet and you need to add more dry cem= ent. When the stones have set for a couple of days, turn them out (I have hear= d that an ironing board works good for this because you can get to the edges und= er the form and not crush your knuckles into the table top.) Take the contact = paper off the glass and clean up the glass with a damp sponge. Sometimes you = might have to use an X-acto knife to get the tough spots. I then let the stone= sit for about 3 weeks to make sure that it has cured and then I seal them wit= h a deck and cement sealer...I like Thompson's. When you seal the stone do = the front, sides and then part of the back...leave an area about 5-6 inches = across, unsealed so that if moisture does get into the stone, or is still in the = stone it has an escape area. Ok...I know that this was a bit winded but I thought that you might like = to know a few of the things that I do. If anyone has any questions please = let me know... or if you have any suggestions that I could pass on to my student= s, I would like to know. Lisa R. ---- I did my first stone last night and I'm not sure if I did it correctly. I followed all the instructions in the book, however = the book states, "one stepping stone requires approx 30 oz of topping and 50 = oz of pre-mix concrete." I assumed this was 30 oz dry, so that is what I measured. The topping was fine and I completed that step, however, furth= er along the instructions read, "mix the remainder of the topping with 50 = oz of concrete and water to dry consistency (you should be able to form a ball with it)". I did as instructed, but I didn't have nearly enough to fill = the mold and ended up mixing about 3 times that amount. The instructions indicate that the mold should be filled to the top, but if you follow the mixing directions, there is not enough. Should the mixture be thinner, = say like cream? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kim W. ---- I make the patio stones too and I have found that it's easier to not use = the topping mix on the stones. I use Redi Mix or Quick Crete brand gravel = mix instead. The mix is a bit rougher but there are a couple advantages to = it. First, the gravel mix eliminates the need to reinforce the stone because = the gravel is what gives the cement strength and the size of stone that you = will work with won't be so large to warrent the chicken wire reinforcement. = Second, when you pour the cement, you won't have to have two steps to the process= , it makes it go a bit smoother. Plus if you mix up a batch large enough for = one stone then the mix for the stone will be consistant throughout the stone. As far as how much for a stone... I use 80# bags and can do 3 of the hex = stones from that. When you mix the cement it shouldn't be wet or form puddles = upon standing. If that happens the face of the stone will get crumbly and the= glass will stick out the edges eventually. This is because when the water evap= orates it pulls up the water from the bottom of the form with it. When the ceme= nt mix is too wet the water moves up to the surface too fast and the capillary = action in the cement pulls up the lime and gypsum, which are what keep the cemen= t together and solid. I like to make a well in the cement mix before I put= it in the form and if any water forms in that well then I know that the mix is = too wet. Lisa R. ---- From: rneaves@ix.netcom.com (Roger Neaves ) Subject: Re: Stepping Stones Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:52:08 -0800 With all this discussion about stepping stones, has anyone seen the video by Vicki Payne about this subject? Her method is to use a preformed stone and glueing all the glass to it. Then she used grout (?) around the glass pieces, let it cure and voila! I saw this on the = local PBS channel but I think this has been around for a while. I didn't get a chance to tape this episode. I would be interested in any comments if someone has tried this method. Janet Neaves ---- To Janet Neaves: Re Vicki Payne Stepping Stone Method. Hi Janet: I have not tried the stones themselves. I have, however, cove= red some terra cotta pots with this method, which I used as containers for Christmas baskets. I used GE Silicone glue and regular tile grout with = sand mix and then a grout sealer. So far so good (I kept 2 which I use in my bathrooms for soaps, etc.). I'm thinking of trying a stone this spring, = so I too would be interested if anyone has tried them and used them in the gar= den. Laura Bettingen, Carson City, NV ---- They'll be fine if you treat them right. ALL concrete will eventually disintegrate if left in contact with wet soi= l. I learned this with my concrete ducks. What you need to do, is sprinkle = some gravel or sand on top of the earth, then place the stepping stones on top= of them. Sealing them is a good idea, too. Barbara ---- someone asked for improvements phone # to get catalog with stone forms- 800-642-2112 Judy in Northern MA glaslady@tiac.net ---- Our instructor recommended using Quikrete brand cement. She said using = the blend that included gravel is stronger than the sand version, and the usi= ng the gravel version eliminated the need for any chicken wire support. ---- >> Could anyone tell me if there is something to add to concrete to >change >> the color, I would like to try to make some stepping stones, also >what >> kind of cement would you use, I have tried to find the answers in >the >> archives but can't, hope someone can help, Thanks Donna.hr >> ---- Assuming you are making stepping stones from scratch; Thickness, minimum 1.5 - 2 inches. 1 part ordinary Portland cement 3 parts washed sharp sand. Colours: Mortar colouring pigments, available at any good Builders' Merchant ( remember colours go paler when dry. Also not to use more pigment powder than cement, or mix will become brittle when dry. You should also be able to obtain WHITE coloured cement - rather than the ordinary grey coloured). If you suffer from frost in winter, also suggest you add a water-proofing agent. minimum of water, just enough so that the mix doesn't fall apart when you squeeze it into a hard ball. Compact the mix very hard into your mould & allow to set and dry. Hopefully, you will now have your coloured stepping stones. Good luck! Elisabeth & Toby ---- Building supply companies (Home Depot, Builders Square, local lumber yards) all carry brands like Quikcrete. Use their sand (topping mix) as a mortar and regular quikcrete for the remainder of the body reinforced with a hardware wire. Be sure to mix relatively dry as others have stated. Colorants are available at these same locations. Portland Cement and white silica sand is best for a real white color. ---- From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:44:09 EDT I've been working on some stepping stones this summer, and after a few practice runs, I'm really happy with the results I'm getting now. = I've made some using a layer of mortar and then quickrete, and I've made some just using the quickrete. I've done some with just a design in the middle and the rest exposed concrete or mortar. The mortar is suppose = to sit for 24 hours before removing from the mold, but I've found that when I remove it, it's still soft enough that I can gently rub out any bubbles or imperfections with my fingers. I've also done this with the quickrete, but removed those stones from the molds after just a few hours. (I've been using a 10 1/2" bucket for a mold.) What probably made the biggest difference was learning how to tap the molds after pouring the cement. If you don't tap there will be air bubbles. At first I was tapping too hard so that cement would seep under the glass and I'd really have to scrape it off the glass once removed. = Those didn't look as good. I found out that by tapping more gently, the glass doesn't get buried, and the stones come out nice and smooth. Also you may need a little more water in your cement. I found that if there wasn't enough, sometimes the edges didn't fill well, and would crumble off when dry. I plan on sealing the stones made with mortar, but have been told that I don't need to seal the quickrete because it's more like an acryllic base. I hope this helps. Just experiment a few times, and you'll probably start getting some good results. Good Luck. Jerri ---- >Does anyone make the mosaic stepping stones as in Tiffany Gardens? What= , if >anything, so you put on them to preserve them-i. e. make them more weath= er >resistant? We use Thompson's Waterseal, doesn't change any colors, repels water just fine. Be sure to dig a hole about 8-10 inches deep where you want to put the stone, then fill it with medium size gravel and put your stone on top= From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 10:26:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEIAp-0000mna; Mon, 7 Apr 97 10:25 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Compilation of Archeive Notes on Stepping Stones & Mosiacs Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 12:20:23 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.192023.0> References: <<1997Apr2.7218.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Your mail reader is not using the MIME attachment standard. To read all of this message, use a MIME V1.0 compliant reader. Some parts of this message may be in a human readable form. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --860441347=_Mail_2_=1258487849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The file I'm attaching is just my own compilation of the exchanges that = took place regarding stepping stones and mosaics. It covers all the arch= ives, from the inception of Bungi through the last archives posted (March= , 1997). It's in ASCII format and I just saved it and pulled it into my = wordprocessing program when I tested it out, and that seemed to work fine= . I hope some of the information in the posts are helpful to you. Dawn --860441347=_Mail_2_=1258487849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="STONES.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STEPPING STONES AND MOSAICS Hi Kathy, I have several questions about these stones, not the least of which is = why the forms cost so much money!!! As I understand it they have to cure for = at least three days before they can be taken out of the form. At this rate = it will either cost $$$$$$$$ to be able to make them or I can settle to mak= e three of four using just one form. However, I'm curious about how well = the wood forms hold up. Do the sides have to slope at an angle or can they = be straight up & down? It seems that if I would want to color the concrete = mix I would need to be able to do a large number at a time so that I would = get all the same color. Also, do you have to grind down the edges of the glass so the edges are = not flat? And, what kind of glass would do best in these stones? It seems as though the opaque would probably be best, maybe? I make wedding cakes as a hobby and I have a whole closet of wilton bakin= g pans in all different shapes and sizes, mostly about 2" deep, that are = no longer usable to bake in. I would like to know if it would be possible = to make the stones in these. I want to continue to support our local glass = shop but the owner is adamant that they can't be make in anything but the commercial form. Kathy, I'd love to hear what you think of the stepping stones after you take that class. Thanks ---- From: glaslady@tiac.net (glaslady) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re:stepping stones Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 18:50:27 GMT I've got all 3 plastic forms and use them frequently - I make stones as house gifts when I go to visit gardening friends. opalescent glass works best and I've found that if I grond the edges slightly, I like the finish better. the plastic forms make for easy removal - and work better than the wooden forms I'd tried earlier I'm now working on a benchdesign for my own garden, which will complement the 12 stones I've made for myself if flower patterns of plants I have = in my garden. ---- I'd originally thought of selling the stones, but see no way to recoup = the time and materials unless selling direct. probably the offshore market = will latch onto this as they have lamps, and make it harder of us to compete.I= 'm really tired of explaining to potential customers at shows why I can't compete price wise with 'those tiffany lamps ' made by dale tiffany - of course, I don't have assembly line factories in taiwan & korea - and when you look at my lamps, they look as polished on the inside as they do on = the outside, which most of the offshore models don't....but it's like explain= ing to someone who stopped by my stand at a show in Maine and commented that = he really liked the beercan airplanes better than my stained glass kaleidesc= ope ones and that I'd sell alot more if I made them in beer cans - just look = at the business the guy with the beer cans was doing (he was right - the man clean up....but I don't want to make stuff out of beer cans.....) ---- The stones that were on display at my supplier's were done in opalescent glass(an irridesent red was stunning) and the colors were so bright and vibrant. ---- From: BLFstar@aol.com Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:51:03 -0500 I, too, have all three molds - two of each. They really are great and = will last pratically forever. I only leave mine in the molds for 36 - 48 hour= s. The book suggests 3 to 5 days, but there seems to be no need if you want= to keep churning them out. I pour three at a time, so I don't have to mix = up the cement so often. If you make your own molds, just be sure to coat them with petroleum jell= y to ensure you can get them out. (Another reason for not waiting too long = to remove them from the mold). Use opalescent or irridized glass. Cathedral glass would allow the concr= ete to show through and add a grey cast to your glass. The colors are really quite vibrant and quite attractive. Don't hesitate to use art glass, as = the cheaper glass will probably not please you. The book and addtional patterns are all quite good and easy to follow. = But don't hesitate to use other patterns you think would be nice. I've used = a butterfly and a cat pattern - had to be enlarged and a border added, but = that was easy. Lots of possibilities to customize to your liking. They're = lots of fun - and no lead or solder! Have fun. Barbara ---- From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" Subject: stepping stones Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:02:34 -0500 (EST) Hi There has been some talk about the stepping stones... I thought that I = could add my 2 cents... I teach all of the stepping stone classes at the store = that I work at so i have had some experience with them. I too am not totally sold on the forms... I think that they are a bit pri= cy for what you get. About two weeks ago I was experimenting with a new for tha= t is also plastic but not quite as stiff as the Tiffany Garden one, this new = one is also a hexagon, but it costs about half the price of the other one and = in my oppinion it works better.... the stones come out alot easier. You don't = need to use petrolium jelly on it (not that I did) to take out the stones you = just give it a twist and they pop right out. Also the corners are a bit sharp= er and they yeild a cleaner edge. I have also used pans...like old cake pans...= those you need to make sure that you "grease" real well. As far as glass.... I like the opals best... I have found that the Bullse= ye, Oceana, Uroboros and Youghiogheny glass make the best stones...the glass = has a neat luster in and of itself. In fact some of the glass looks better in = stones than it does in a window. I have had students that wanted to use cathedr= als glass and have been sorry that they didn't spend the money on an opal... = also I have seen the iridescent glass used, and that looks neat too...one studen= t used an Armstrong wispy amber and white iridescent and put the irisdescent inw= ard against the cement but the glass was just light enough that you could see= a hint of the iridescent through the glass and it gave the glass depth adn = looked really neat when it was done. Patterns: I have been making some of my own and I have used stained glas= s patterns as well... I recently made the Moonrose fairie from the Fairie = Lights book...that one turned out ever cool. A guy that I work with used anothe= r stained glass pattern and made a table top for and antique table, and tha= t turned out very cool as well. I try to tell my students that they need = to explore other patterns than what are in the book because otherwise they = will get board doing the same ones over and over, and unfortunately I think = that there is the misconception that the only patterns that can be done are = those that say taht they are for mosaic patio stones. Also, something else that I do that isn't in the book... I use gravel mix cement and omit the chicken wire... the gravel in the cement provides the strength adn I then don't have to have a roll of chicken wire around. = I haven't had a problem, and the ones that I made last spring are surviving= our winter here in Michigan. Well that is my 2 cents... If anyone has any suggestions or questions please let me know... I'm allw= ays looking for more info to pass on to students. Lisa R. ---- I thought that the price on these new forms was half the price of the oth= er ones but they are only about 10.oo cheaper, still it's cheaper and I thin= k that they are easier to use. Oh and to clearify, these forms are the hexagon ones....I don't know if they have them in the 8x8 or the 4x8, although = those forms are very easy to use as it is and they range from 15.95 to 19.95 = I believe, at least at our store. As far as size of the piece of glass to use for the stones...I have never= had a problem with the size...the cement totally supports the glass from the = back so it isn't too likely that you would have an area that wasn't supported eno= ugh to step on. In the store we thought that that might be a problem so we set = our some square foot pieces of glass and walked on them and they were support= ed by the cement floor and they didn't break, and I think that everyone in the = store took a shot at walking on them. But then again i don't think that the ide= a is to use really large pieces in your design, mosaics inherently use small = pieces. TTYL Lisa R. ---- Hi Andrea and Gary(and anyone else who hasn't tried stepping stones)) Yes I can outline the steps (not very briefly) but I will try.Any step I accidently leave out ,I hope someone on the list will help me out.OK! Here goes! 1.Take your pattern(any pattern is acceptable)and cut out the pieces inside the lines.Lead pattern scissors were mentioned.A space of1/8"between pattern pieces is good to allow concrete to flow between .Plan to leave a1/4"space around the outside of your pattern and the form. 2. Use opaque glass with good surface color as no light will filter thru the concrete.Cut as usual but again cut on the inside of your line to allow space for concrete.The teachers disagreed on the need to grind.One said no but one thought if the glass did not lay flat for some reason it could cut someone who dared to walk on it. 3.A form is needed. There are plastic forms on the market or you can make wooden ones.Remember to cut walls with a 71/2 degree angle.Coat the area where the bottom and the sides of the mold meet with petroleum jelly.This will help release the stone from the mold later on. 4.When you have cut and laid out your glass on your pattern,cover the glass carefully with a clear sheet of adhesive-backed vinyl to keep the glass from moving in the form.Pick up the glass(which is all stuck to the vinyl) and place it in the form ,clear vinyl side down.If you need to adjust any glass ,now is your last chance.. 5.Mix" topping mix"to a creamy thickness and cover glass with 1/4" of mixture.Allow the cement to move between the glass.Remember to gently tap the bottom and sides to release air bubbles.. 6.Add more topping mix to half fill the form. 7. Use reinforcing wire such as chicken wire or someone suggested old wire hangers and lay it on the topping mix careful not to come too close to the edges. 8. mix up concrete mix and fill the mold to about 1/2" from the top.Again tap sides and bottom for about 5mins to help get rid of most of the trapped air. 9. Smooth out the bottom and sop up any extra water that maybe laying on the concrete. 10.I read somewhere (perhaps in theTiffany Garden book) that you should leave the stone to harden for approx 3 days.Our instructor thought only about 36 hours in the form and 3-5 days out .30 days to cure before putting outdoors. 11. Gently turn over the form and gently bang it on the table and if all is well, it should pop out.Clean the glass and fill in any little spots with a little concrete mixed up to fill air bubbles or inperfections.Someone in the seminar suggested coloring the concrete with plaster of paris(to give it an off white color) or if doing several colored concrete stones be very precise with your measurements of concrete and color. I hope that answers your questions.Meatloaf pans,muffin pans,round cake pans,etc were all suggested forms but Carole,no one was willing to comment on the Wilton cake forms."Too risky" was the consensus. Too difficult was also mentioned! I am not a typist so I will close now so I can still use my fingers = for the important things in life...like foiling.Jump in everyone to fill in any steps I missed!. In step 11(I think!) I forgot to mention when you pop out the stone peel off the vinyl. As for topping mix,good question!I am not a masonary engineer by trade, so I took my husband with me to the seminar.Topping premix is actually a finer mix than concrete(perhaps cement?)Both the cement and concrete that was used was a premixed that was mixed with water. Maybe someone out there can explain it better.Both bags of powder were labelled as premixed concrete and topping mix.(2 different bags) Andrea, as for the Wilton cake tins,they are a cake decorators form that comes in many different shapes with indentations of different pics and characters.Many children's bithday cakes are made this way. I think they are aluminum.Perhaps Carole can elaborate on this bette= r than me. Bye for now! Kathy ---- From: "Lisa Anne Rosochacki" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: stepping stones Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 09:47:12 -0500 (EST) Hello All, I thought that I would share my two cents worth on Patio Stones... I teach the Patio Stones classes at the store that I work at and i have = a few pointers that I think you might find helpful. To begin make sure that you have a copy of your pattern available, not = just the original. Alot of times it's easier to cut and trace than to try to use = a light box. I assume that you all would think of it but I thought that = I would still remind you. I tell my students to start cutting their main image pieces...say the flower and the foliage and the ribbon (I'm going by the patterns in the Tiffany Garden book.). Leave the backgound pieces til = last because you can cut those to fit in around any pieces that might not be = exactly to the pattern. Keep in mind that mosaics are not like stained glass in = that all the pieces need to fit exactly, alot of people that do stained glass = try to cut it all "lock and key" fit and it's not necessary for a mosaic piece. = Once you have the main image cut out, I have found that it's alot easier to = get a nice looking gap if you take a piece of contact paper and cut it to the = hex of the pattern adn lay it sticky side up on top of the pattern and lay out = your pieces face up on top of the sticky contact. The contact paper will keep= all of your pieces in place as you work. If the contact paper is sliding aro= und too much, tape the corners to keep it on you pattern. Once I'm done with= the flowers and stuff, I cut the background. I have found that some of the = pieces in the Tiffany Garden book are very difficult to cut unless you ahve a = bandsaw and therefore I tell my students to cut it as close as possible and then = to cut the background piece to fit, or if the piece is very tiny, and there are = some that are very tiny, I suggest eliminating that piece. Omitting a few sma= ll pieces doesn't change the look of the stone at all. Also, I don't like = to grind my pieces unless it's somthing like the ribbon which I want very = smoothe. Not grinding serves two purposes, it keeps the edges a bit rough adn the = cement then has more area to grip the glass and hold it in place, and it makes = the process alot faster, decreasing the amount of time that you spend running= back adn forth between the grinder and your piece. If you're concerned about = how it will look, don't be. The cement will cover it up and once you seal the = stones any edges that you may think are sharp will be glazed over and dulled. = When all of the pieces are cut and placed where you want them, then cut anoth= er piece of contact paper and place it over the top of the glass, smoothe = it out and turn the "sandwich" of contact paper and glass and contact paper over= adn take off the contact from the back of the glass. If you want to cut a = bunch of stones in the winter andd then pour them in the summer, then leave the = two pieces of contact paper on the glass and that will keep all of you pieces= in place untill your ready to pour the cement. Keep in mind that as they = sit the contact will get a bit tacky and when you take the backing off the glass = it make take a bit of care. Ok...put the glass into the form, you should = be looking at the back of the glass. I use "Ready-Mix" or "Quik-Crete" bran= ds of GRAVEL mix. The book uses a top mix, which is an all sand cement mix, = but it isn't the strongest stuff. The Gravel mix contains the gravel which is = what gives the cement more strength, thus eliminating the need for chicken wir= e reinforcement in the stone. I usually mix up the cement and place a few = cups onto the glass and rub the cement down into the cracks with my hands. = This forces the smaller, sandy pieces of the mix onto the top surface of your = stone and gives a better finish. When I think that it's ready I pour the rest = of the cement into the back, completely filling the form. I have found that the= most important part of making the stones is getting the cement mixed up proper= ly. I mix that is too wet will cause the lime and jipsum particals to rise to = the back of the stone as the water evaporates and those particles are what = keep it all "glued" together. I usually mix up some of the cement and water and = when I think that it's the consitancy that I need I make a well, like in baking,= in the center if the cement and let it stand a minute or two. If water pudd= les in that well at all then the mix is too wet and you need to add more dry cem= ent. When the stones have set for a couple of days, turn them out (I have hear= d that an ironing board works good for this because you can get to the edges und= er the form and not crush your knuckles into the table top.) Take the contact = paper off the glass and clean up the glass with a damp sponge. Sometimes you = might have to use an X-acto knife to get the tough spots. I then let the stone= sit for about 3 weeks to make sure that it has cured and then I seal them wit= h a deck and cement sealer...I like Thompson's. When you seal the stone do = the front, sides and then part of the back...leave an area about 5-6 inches = across, unsealed so that if moisture does get into the stone, or is still in the = stone it has an escape area. Ok...I know that this was a bit winded but I thought that you might like = to know a few of the things that I do. If anyone has any questions please = let me know... or if you have any suggestions that I could pass on to my student= s, I would like to know. Lisa R. ---- I did my first stone last night and I'm not sure if I did it correctly. I followed all the instructions in the book, however = the book states, "one stepping stone requires approx 30 oz of topping and 50 = oz of pre-mix concrete." I assumed this was 30 oz dry, so that is what I measured. The topping was fine and I completed that step, however, furth= er along the instructions read, "mix the remainder of the topping with 50 = oz of concrete and water to dry consistency (you should be able to form a ball with it)". I did as instructed, but I didn't have nearly enough to fill = the mold and ended up mixing about 3 times that amount. The instructions indicate that the mold should be filled to the top, but if you follow the mixing directions, there is not enough. Should the mixture be thinner, = say like cream? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kim W. ---- I make the patio stones too and I have found that it's easier to not use = the topping mix on the stones. I use Redi Mix or Quick Crete brand gravel = mix instead. The mix is a bit rougher but there are a couple advantages to = it. First, the gravel mix eliminates the need to reinforce the stone because = the gravel is what gives the cement strength and the size of stone that you = will work with won't be so large to warrent the chicken wire reinforcement. = Second, when you pour the cement, you won't have to have two steps to the process= , it makes it go a bit smoother. Plus if you mix up a batch large enough for = one stone then the mix for the stone will be consistant throughout the stone. As far as how much for a stone... I use 80# bags and can do 3 of the hex = stones from that. When you mix the cement it shouldn't be wet or form puddles = upon standing. If that happens the face of the stone will get crumbly and the= glass will stick out the edges eventually. This is because when the water evap= orates it pulls up the water from the bottom of the form with it. When the ceme= nt mix is too wet the water moves up to the surface too fast and the capillary = action in the cement pulls up the lime and gypsum, which are what keep the cemen= t together and solid. I like to make a well in the cement mix before I put= it in the form and if any water forms in that well then I know that the mix is = too wet. Lisa R. ---- From: rneaves@ix.netcom.com (Roger Neaves ) Subject: Re: Stepping Stones Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 14:52:08 -0800 With all this discussion about stepping stones, has anyone seen the video by Vicki Payne about this subject? Her method is to use a preformed stone and glueing all the glass to it. Then she used grout (?) around the glass pieces, let it cure and voila! I saw this on the = local PBS channel but I think this has been around for a while. I didn't get a chance to tape this episode. I would be interested in any comments if someone has tried this method. Janet Neaves ---- To Janet Neaves: Re Vicki Payne Stepping Stone Method. Hi Janet: I have not tried the stones themselves. I have, however, cove= red some terra cotta pots with this method, which I used as containers for Christmas baskets. I used GE Silicone glue and regular tile grout with = sand mix and then a grout sealer. So far so good (I kept 2 which I use in my bathrooms for soaps, etc.). I'm thinking of trying a stone this spring, = so I too would be interested if anyone has tried them and used them in the gar= den. Laura Bettingen, Carson City, NV ---- They'll be fine if you treat them right. ALL concrete will eventually disintegrate if left in contact with wet soi= l. I learned this with my concrete ducks. What you need to do, is sprinkle = some gravel or sand on top of the earth, then place the stepping stones on top= of them. Sealing them is a good idea, too. Barbara ---- someone asked for improvements phone # to get catalog with stone forms- 800-642-2112 Judy in Northern MA glaslady@tiac.net ---- Our instructor recommended using Quikrete brand cement. She said using = the blend that included gravel is stronger than the sand version, and the usi= ng the gravel version eliminated the need for any chicken wire support. ---- >> Could anyone tell me if there is something to add to concrete to >change >> the color, I would like to try to make some stepping stones, also >what >> kind of cement would you use, I have tried to find the answers in >the >> archives but can't, hope someone can help, Thanks Donna.hr >> ---- Assuming you are making stepping stones from scratch; Thickness, minimum 1.5 - 2 inches. 1 part ordinary Portland cement 3 parts washed sharp sand. Colours: Mortar colouring pigments, available at any good Builders' Merchant ( remember colours go paler when dry. Also not to use more pigment powder than cement, or mix will become brittle when dry. You should also be able to obtain WHITE coloured cement - rather than the ordinary grey coloured). If you suffer from frost in winter, also suggest you add a water-proofing agent. minimum of water, just enough so that the mix doesn't fall apart when you squeeze it into a hard ball. Compact the mix very hard into your mould & allow to set and dry. Hopefully, you will now have your coloured stepping stones. Good luck! Elisabeth & Toby ---- Building supply companies (Home Depot, Builders Square, local lumber yards) all carry brands like Quikcrete. Use their sand (topping mix) as a mortar and regular quikcrete for the remainder of the body reinforced with a hardware wire. Be sure to mix relatively dry as others have stated. Colorants are available at these same locations. Portland Cement and white silica sand is best for a real white color. ---- From: jroey@juno.com (Jerri M Roey) Subject: Re: stepping stones Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:44:09 EDT I've been working on some stepping stones this summer, and after a few practice runs, I'm really happy with the results I'm getting now. = I've made some using a layer of mortar and then quickrete, and I've made some just using the quickrete. I've done some with just a design in the middle and the rest exposed concrete or mortar. The mortar is suppose = to sit for 24 hours before removing from the mold, but I've found that when I remove it, it's still soft enough that I can gently rub out any bubbles or imperfections with my fingers. I've also done this with the quickrete, but removed those stones from the molds after just a few hours. (I've been using a 10 1/2" bucket for a mold.) What probably made the biggest difference was learning how to tap the molds after pouring the cement. If you don't tap there will be air bubbles. At first I was tapping too hard so that cement would seep under the glass and I'd really have to scrape it off the glass once removed. = Those didn't look as good. I found out that by tapping more gently, the glass doesn't get buried, and the stones come out nice and smooth. Also you may need a little more water in your cement. I found that if there wasn't enough, sometimes the edges didn't fill well, and would crumble off when dry. I plan on sealing the stones made with mortar, but have been told that I don't need to seal the quickrete because it's more like an acryllic base. I hope this helps. Just experiment a few times, and you'll probably start getting some good results. Good Luck. Jerri ---- >Does anyone make the mosaic stepping stones as in Tiffany Gardens? What= , if >anything, so you put on them to preserve them-i. e. make them more weath= er >resistant? We use Thompson's Waterseal, doesn't change any colors, repels water just fine. Be sure to dig a hole about 8-10 inches deep where you want to put the stone, then fill it with medium size gravel and put your stone on top= From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 10:29:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEIDd-0000pka; Mon, 7 Apr 97 10:28 PDT X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 10:28:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Apr6.15040.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > Also, the product instructions that came with my new Toyo say to use > Kerosene and to fill never more than half full. It says a thicker fluid is > likely to cause clogging. Anyone use kerosene??? Kris i use kerosene in 2 toyo pistol grip cutters. one still leaks, the other doesn't let any oil through at all. when i asked about this to the manufacturer, they said that the material (felt?) that feeds oil to the head is clogged and can't be fixed or replaced. i roll it across an oil saturated paper towel before each cut. --- Charles Spitzer charlie@az.stratus.com Customer Assistance Center Stratus Computer, Inc. Phoenix, AZ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 11:21:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEJ29-0000qfa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 11:20 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 13:24:58 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.202458.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I believe I have replied now to everyone who wanted a copy of my file. Robert Crane, Joni and Mary Ann, please send me your e-mail addresses and= I will send a copy to you as well. If I accidentally skipped someone please let me know. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 11:27:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEJ8A-0000tXa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 11:27 PDT X-Path: mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:26:41 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For whatever it's worth, I have used Baby Oil in my Toyo for years and had great luck. The fluid seems light enough to flow to the head without clogging. And best of all, it doesn't cost much. =Gary >> Also, the product instructions that came with my new Toyo say to use >> Kerosene and to fill never more than half full. It says a thicker fluid is >> likely to cause clogging. Anyone use kerosene??? Kris > >i use kerosene in 2 toyo pistol grip cutters. one still leaks, the other >doesn't let any oil through at all. when i asked about this to the >manufacturer, they said that the material (felt?) that feeds oil to the head >is clogged and can't be fixed or replaced. i roll it across an oil saturated >paper towel before each cut. > >--- >Charles Spitzer >charlie@az.stratus.com >Customer Assistance Center >Stratus Computer, Inc. >Phoenix, AZ >---- ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 11:32:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEJCw-0000u9a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 11:31 PDT X-Path: mcw.on.ca!Creinput From: "Creative Input" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:31:14 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Please take me OFF your mailing list. Blake Dawbon Creinput@mcw.on.ca Thank you ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 11:56:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEJZp-0000via; Mon, 7 Apr 97 11:55 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Big Mistake Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 13:36:35 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.203635.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Oh no, I realized I accidentally sent Bonnie's message to the group instead of to her privately. I apologize and hope the attachment did not create any problems for anyone on the group. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 12:03:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEJgb-0000v5a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 12:02 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Archive files Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 13:58:00 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.20580.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi everone, I noticed quite a few of you indicated that you had problems retrieving things from the archives. I have been familiarizing myself with a new software program, and thought I would practice on something that would do some good, the archive of the notes from March, 1997. I removed all of the header junk from each message, with the exception of the From:, Date: and Subject fields. I also deleted all the scrambled junk that occasionally gets included that goes on for pages and pages, such as the attachments that don't come through correctly. If certain people always signed their messages with lengthy tag lines, I also deleted that and just left the name. But, I did not edit the message contents, such as the repeats of the repeats of the repeats. The result is I have parred down the 891K file to 407K, which is less than half the original size! (I'm sure the size would be considerably smaller if I were to take the time to go through message by message and delete all the messages repeated in entirety.) If you are listening Glenna, I would be glad to send you and Dave the file. If you want, you could post it to the archive. My thinking is that perhaps more people would access the archives if the files were of a manageable size for them to pull off. The smaller size might help many who want to download the archive file and do keyword searches. Would you be interested in using the file? Also, to everyone, please do not take this as a criticism to anyone or assume that I am trying to tell anyone how to respond to messages. I know that argument has gone on long enough and I have no desire to open that subject up again. I am only going to make a point that many of you may have not considered. When a message is replied to and the *entire* contents of the message is repeated, it adds a tremendous bulk to the size of the archive file. Therefore, making it impossible for many people to access and download. If only pertinent portions were copied, then it might help many of our fellow Bunginians retrieve the information they need. Just a thought to consider..... Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 12:45:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEKL8-00004Ia; Mon, 7 Apr 97 12:44 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Message Mistakenly Sent to Group Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 14:48:21 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr7.214821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Once again, I want to apologize for my messages that went out to the group instead of the individuals. One just came through here and it evidently tagged on the attachment to the message. Please don't attach the copy of the message if you want to send me back a message telling me I screwed up. I know I screwed up and I don't want the huge size of the file to continually clog up everyone's mail. *Pleaseeeeee* forgive me. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 13:39:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wELB3-000100a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 13:38 PDT X-Path: smtplink.dis.anl.gov!lernerk From: "Ken Lerner" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re[2]: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 14:09:29 CST Message-ID: <9703078604.AA860452697@smtplink.dis.anl.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glenna wrote: >> shyguy wrote: >> > >> > I was taught to never score dry - we were given a recipe of 8 parts >> > kerosene to 1 part light machine oil (such as 3 in 1). > Me too...my teacher told me never to score glass without it. My teacher told my class to NOT use oil. He said, it doesn't help you cut, it just gets alot of oil all over the place. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 13:50:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wELMt-00011ha; Mon, 7 Apr 97 13:50 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:50:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.205017.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk A >Also, the product instructions that came with my new Toyo say to use Kerosene >and to fill never more than half full. It says a thicker fluid is likely to >cause clogging. Anyone use kerosene??? Kris Two comments to this one ...... first, I never use anything toxic in my cutter, such as petroleum distillates because I have never found a way to keep it off my hands. I suggest always using a vegetable based oil, corn oil, etc. Also, a student of mine had an interesting thought one night, he asked if the petroleum distillate lubricants could disolve out the glue that is used in the plastic handle of the cutter. I don't know, but kerosene is a pretty good solvent so I suppose it could ....... Mike Peck ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 14:42:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEMA9-00016Ca; Mon, 7 Apr 97 14:41 PDT X-Path: tchden.org!gonzales.teresa From: "Gonzales, Diane" To: bungi group Subject: Oil for Cutter Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:41:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.9410.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I too use a Toyo pistol grip. This is the cutter that was recommended by my teacher in my beginning glass class. I was taught to not fill it all the way, as a matter of fact not even half way. Mine did not come with instructions. I think they just gave us each a "beginning kit" and it was in there (not in a package that I can recall). On my first night in class I purchased a bottle of cutting oil (it was not very expensive, and I think I've only added more oil to my cutter once since I've had it). It works very well. It leaked a little when it was new, but my teacher told me that once the wick becomes soaked, it would not leak as much. I found that to be true. I have been using mine for about 1 year. Also, my teacher suggested that we use the cap of a marker to put oil in and stand in one of the corner squares of my Morton surface. This is where my cutter sits when not in use (inside the marker cap). I have had no significant problems with the cutter. Actually, I've never used any other kind of cutter but am very interested in trying out others. I know nothing about them, so I guess I'll just go into a store and just choose one at random. Question: I am just curious. What are cut bevels used for? I am a beginner in stained glass and have never seen a project with cut bevels (that I know of anyway). T. Diane Gonzales ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 14:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEMGC-0000xPa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 14:47 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr7.134722.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, may I have a copy of the file as well? Thank you very much. krissymar@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 15:59:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wENN7-00017fa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 15:58 PDT X-Path: gjr From: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: paring down the posts... Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:58:42 PDT Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:23:24 -0700 > Message-Id: <199704072223.PAA04482@norm.island.net> > X-Sender: seaspray@mail.island.net > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > To: glass@bungi.com > From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) > Subject: paring down the postings > > Dawn, I agree completely with your comments in your recent post titled > archive files. I've been subzcribing to this group for about a month and > have considered unsubzcribing a couple of times...because of the repeats of > repeats of posts, the long taglines (which can be repeated several times due > to unedited reposting), and also the numerous messages which could be > handled more appropriately via a private email posting only to the > individual involved. > > I also loudly echo your sentiment about not wanting to criticize or point > fingers. It's just that I've been noticing lately that there's a lot of > bandwidth being taken up unnecessarily...and wondering if it's only myself > that finds this cumbersome? Does this group has a moderator and/or a set of > posting guidelines to cover these kinds of things? Being fairly new to the > group, I wouldn't know where to look for these. > > Overall, I'm pleased with the communication and helpfulness of the > group...it just seems to require some perseverence to get through all the > extraneous stuff. I try to read most of the messages since the title of the > post doesn't always indicate the information the poster is wanting to share > with the group and I don't want to miss anything. > > Cheers > > Carol > Synergy Glass & Creative > -- Glenna Rand gjr@bungi.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 16:38:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wENyk-0001J8a; Mon, 7 Apr 97 16:37 PDT X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: paring down the posts... Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:30:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.153023.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Yes, there is a lot of space and time wasted. Charles Warner Glenna Rand wrote: > > > > Dawn, I agree completely with your comments in your recent post titled > > archive files. ...because of the repeats of > > repeats of posts, the long taglines (which can be repeated several times due > > to unedited reposting) > > > >...and wondering if it's only myself > > that finds this cumbersome? > > > > Carol > > Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 16:47:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEO7D-0001Eda; Mon, 7 Apr 97 16:46 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oil for Cutter Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:45:35 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.154535.0> References: <<1997Apr7.9410.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gonzales, Diane wrote: > > I too use a Toyo pistol grip. This is the cutter that was recommended > by my teacher in my beginning glass class. I was taught to not fill it > all the way, as a matter of fact not even half way. Mine did not come > with instructions. I think they just gave us each a "beginning kit" and > it was in there (not in a package that I can recall). > > On my first night in class I purchased a bottle of cutting oil (it was > not very expensive, and I think I've only added more oil to my cutter > once since I've had it). It works very well. It leaked a little when > it was new, but my teacher told me that once the wick becomes soaked, it > would not leak as much. I found that to be true. > > I have been using mine for about 1 year. Also, my teacher suggested > that we use the cap of a marker to put oil in and stand in one of the > corner squares of my Morton surface. This is where my cutter sits when > not in use (inside the marker cap). I have had no significant problems > with the cutter. > > Actually, I've never used any other kind of cutter but am very > interested in trying out others. I know nothing about them, so I guess > I'll just go into a store and just choose one at random. > > Question: I am just curious. What are cut bevels used for? I am a > beginner in stained glass and have never seen a project with cut bevels > (that I know of anyway). > > T. Diane Gonzales > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass well, #1 i would'nt randomly buy a cutter, there are quite a few. so far i've had very good luck with the fletcher-terry cutters. mainly the score master 2. scoremaster 3 cracked, and they replaced the series with the gold tip. the gold tip has a solid metal housing, or at least near the tip for the cheaper version. i personally don't like the new cutters, their harder to grip unto, but they do score well. just be sure to get the head with the green ring, which is meant for general purpose stained glass. #2 cut bevels, it would depend on the design. sometimes you don't want a bevel on both sides, or you want a leading beveled edge, with a color center. kind of like a ramp (side view). or if you have a bevel border, and want the flowers or whatever to go beyond the border. you would have to cut the bevels, to match the curve of the flower... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 17:50:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEP6h-0000nXa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 17:49 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: using paint stripper for heating glass Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 20:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.164616.0> References: <<1997Apr6.1909.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Doug Scale wrote: > > Margie, > > Haven't tried that particular heater but i did use a portable ceramic > heater in my workshop to keep me warm this past winter. When i tried to > use it to heat glass before scoring i found it did not heat the glass > evenly and some of my cuts went everywhere but where I wanted them. Some > of the glass was really hot to touch but other areas could be handled. > Think someone else also stated about the uneven heating you might get > and thus the uneven breaking. > > Try it on some scraps before using on your working glass. If it works > let us know. > > Doug Scale Try this also-I have a "Flexible Arm Lamp" right over my cutting light box for extra light-I just pull it down to 3-6 inches above the glass. It has a 100watt bulb. Glass heats quite quickly-then cuts very well. Some heat comes up thru the "Morton Surface" on the light box too. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 18:03:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEPJS-0000mva; Mon, 7 Apr 97 18:03 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oil for Cutter Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 20:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.165923.0> References: <<1997Apr7.9410.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk > Question: I am just curious. What are cut bevels used for? I am a > beginner in stained glass and have never seen a project with cut bevels > (that I know of anyway). > > T. Diane Gonzales Diane-the cut or 1/2 bevels are used in a custom 3D design I made for making free form boxes. Some times whole 1" bevels do not conform to th e freeform shape of the box. Hence-using 1/2 of a 1" x 2 " bevel as well as whole ones. Because of the thickness and shape of a bevel, it does not break like flat glass does, and using a Ring Saw or Band Saw takes too long. Complex answer for simple project. ;) Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 18:08:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEPOB-0000dDa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 18:07 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: Glass list Subject: elimination of repititive redundancy Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 18:06:17 -0500 Message-ID: <199704080107.SAA01130@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- HA!!!!!about time.....be brief....no need to see see see see see see the prior post quoted endlessy. Enjoy.........H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 18:34:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEPmv-00010Da; Mon, 7 Apr 97 18:33 PDT X-Path: connecti.com!wsexton From: Arthur Sexton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Subject Standard Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 20:33:55 -0500 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970408013355.006b9114@connecti.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have been reading your mail for a while now and have learned a lot and gotten several helpful tips which I have already put to good use. I was wondering though, being the computer geek/glass hobbiest that I am, if we could make some sort of standard word, ie, bungi, to include in each mail so that email programs could sort these to a seperate folder and elimated the manual process....? Just a suggestion and if is not well received then I am not pushing it, just wanted to thorw this out and see if anyone else thought it might be do-able.....? Happy cutting and soldering.... ___ __ _____ __ / | _____ / /_/ ___/ ___ _ __ / /_ ____ ____ / /| | / ___// __/\__ \ / _ \ | |/_// __// __ \ / __ \ / ___ |/ / / /_ ___/ // __/_> < / /_ / /_/ // / / / /_/ |_|_/ \__//____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \____//_/ /_/ Is there man with nerve enough to think that two sexes aren't enough? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 18:42:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEPuP-00010fa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 18:41 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr7.174057.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, you forgot me. I am Eleanor of Eureka Glass. E-mail me at YEGNIM@aol.com with the notes please. Thanks!!! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 19:15:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEQRL-0001Dza; Mon, 7 Apr 97 19:15 PDT X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Subject Standard Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:20:36 +0000 Message-ID: <199704080215.WAA17519@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Arthur, I gather from the subject of your post that your email client only filters by subject field. What do you use? I use Pegasus mail (freeware) and it filters mail into separate folders on the basis of any field. I think Eudora Pro does that, too. M.-J. On 7 Apr 97, I found these words from Arthur Sexton in my mailbox: I was wondering though, being the computer geek/glass hobbiest > that I am, if we could make some sort of standard word, ie, bungi, > to include in each mail so that email programs could sort these to a > seperate folder and elimated the manual process....? M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 20:42:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wERnI-0001DWa; Mon, 7 Apr 97 20:42 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Vafi5 From: Vafi5@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: grinder Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr7.194153.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am quite new to stained glass and I have a lot of things that I want to ask but my main concern now is my grinder. I did not havea grinder of my own until now as I was using the teacher's one now I purchased one. I willonly beusingthe grinder here in the US for another 5-6 months then I will be taking it to Europe where the voltage is 220 so I bought a 220 grinder fit to be used in Europe.Everyone that I had talked to had told me that I could use it here in the US with a transformer.Today I called the company which manufactues the grinder to ask how many watts should my transformer be only to be told that you could not use grinders with transformers because the motor would blow up. I was shocked by this info as I know that almost every electrical appliance can be used with a proper transformer. My question is whether anyone knows if this info is accurate or not.I would really appreciate if you could let me know.Thanks. VAFI5@AOL.COM ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 21:06:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wES9t-00015Ra; Mon, 7 Apr 97 21:05 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 00:01:45 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.20145.0> References: <<199704061206.IAA02474@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Albert, Beautiful work. Constructive comments-I love the way the first page 'fades' to red. However I personally find the blue-grey type difficult to read against the red. (Type font is very readable). The tables of restoration work are impressive. Also would suggest making the 'clickable' links a different color type entirely. Just my 2cents worth. I am very impressed overall. That was obviously a lot of work, putting together the whole site. I am curious about how many hours it takes for a site like that??? I am finishing an abstract "Study in Blue" that I will use for a signature first picture for my studio IGGA page,(members work). Hope to have it and 3 others in pictures soon to send you. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations < Yes, I mis-typed the URL. Try > > http://www.cummingsstudio.com > > Sorry. > > Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 7 22:11:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wETBL-0000gna; Mon, 7 Apr 97 22:10 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:05:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr7.15557.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Gary Shultz wrote: > > For whatever it's worth, I have used Baby Oil in my Toyo for years and had > great luck. The fluid seems light enough to flow to the head without > clogging. And best of all, it doesn't cost much. > > =Gary > I'll bet it smells better than Kerosene! Just a dim thought. Melissa ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 03:32:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEYAs-0000r3a; Tue, 8 Apr 97 03:30 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:37:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199704081026.GAA01621@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > called the company which manufactues the grinder to ask how many watts should > my transformer be only to be told that you could not use grinders with > transformers because the motor would blow up. Could it be that they're merely trying to tell you that you do so at your own risk, that they won't accept any responsibility? My six-year-old grandson's get-in-and-drive-it-around-yourself car with pedals has a warning sticker that says, "Do not drive this car in traffic. It is not a real automobile and does not meet road safety regulations." As though a six-year-old were going to thing it were! Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 03:32:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEYAs-0000pKa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 03:30 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:37:37 +0000 Message-ID: <199704081026.GAA01624@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Beautiful work. Constructive comments-I love the way the first page > 'fades' to red. However I personally find the blue-grey type difficult > to read against the red. (Type font is very readable). Yes, well. The studio's "colors" are maroon and silver. White type would read better, but wouldn't print (white on white's a tough one) and the studio (naturally) wants potential clients to be able to print the pages out. > The tables of > restoration work are impressive. Also would suggest making the > 'clickable' links a different color type entirely. Just my 2cents > worth. I'm trying to be subtle. The type's actually a grey in that case and so are the links. If I could make links without underlines, I'd probably do it. > I am very impressed overall. That was obviously a lot of work, > putting together the whole site. I am curious about how many hours it > takes for a site like that??? 7-10 days of pretty concentrated effort, since I don't use any crutches ... like software designed to make the job easier. I just write the code raw in a word processor. >I am finishing an abstract "Study in > Blue" that I will use for a signature first picture for my studio IGGA > page,(members work). Hope to have it and 3 others in pictures soon to > send you. I look forward to seeing them. Thanks for your comments. Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 05:15:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEZmf-0000ija; Tue, 8 Apr 97 05:13 PDT X-Path: smtplink.dis.anl.gov!wernettd From: "Dee Wernette" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Receipt of 4/1/97 10:11AM message Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 16:40:19 CST Message-ID: <9703088605.AA860508856@smtplink.dis.anl.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Re:Re: Picture Frames ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 06:32:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEb07-0000nUa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 06:31 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: Joni Tornwall , glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: stepping stones archives Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 08:33:39 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr8.153339.0> References: <<33493AE8.6AC3@1st.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > I did receive 2 >copies of what I think are the stepping stone archives anyway. Do >they >start out "Kathy, I have several questions regarding the stepping >stones, not the least of which is why they cost so >much".......something l>ike that? Maybe you posted the archives to the whole group. Hi Joni, I did accidentally post the file to the group yesterday (was trying to hurry and get all my mail out during my lunch break and evidently my fingers were working faster than my brain. Ha!) The notes from the Archive did start out with that message. *But*, if you are interested in receiving a copy of the archive I wouldn't suggest using that. It would be better for me to send you an attachment of the file in ASCII format. Then you could save it to your hard drive, pull it up in a wordprocessing program and use it however you want. That way, you can do keyword searchs, format it however you want, print out whatever sections you want, etc. I'm going to go ahead and send this message to the whole group so they know the benefits of receiving the ASCII file, as opposed to just using what accidentally showed up yesterday. I'll send you another note in a minute with the file attached. Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 07:04:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEbUu-0000gza; Tue, 8 Apr 97 07:03 PDT X-Path: ngai.com!pjnjril From: Paula Nelson To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19980408091017.2217e4a2@mailp.starnetinc.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 11:41 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:> > I will only beusingthe grinder here in the US for another 5-6 months then I will be >taking it to Europe where the voltage is 220 >so I bought a 220 grinder fit to be used in Europe.Everyone that I had talked >to had told me that I could use it here in the US with a transformer.Today I >called the company which manufactues the grinder to ask how many watts should >my transformer be only to be told that you could not use grinders with >transformers because the motor would blow up. I was shocked by this info as I >know that almost every electrical appliance can be used with a proper >transformer. My question is whether anyone knows if this info is accurate or >not.I would really appreciate if you could let me know.Thanks. VAFI5@AOL.COM If that were so... everything I took over there when I was stationed in Germany would have been destroyed . It won't 'blow up' if you get the right size transformer (ask when you get over there)... It might put additional wear on the motor because the cycles will be off just a touch, but I'd give it a try. I thinkthe proper term is 'burn out', not 'blow up'; the US military has been using transformers for years . I suppose the company suggested a 220v grinder? Bet the price was thru the roof... Paula pjnjril@ngai.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 07:11:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEbbq-0000q6a; Tue, 8 Apr 97 07:10 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Subject Standard Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:10:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.6101.0> References: <<2.2.32.19970408013355.006b9114@connecti.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Arthur Sexton wrote: > > I have been reading your mail for a while now and have learned a lot and > gotten several helpful tips which I have already put to good use. I was > wondering though, being the computer geek/glass hobbiest that I am, if we > could make some sort of standard word, ie, bungi, to include in each mail so > that email programs could sort these to a seperate folder and elimated the > manual process....? Just a suggestion and if is not well received then I am > not pushing it, just wanted to thorw this out and see if anyone else thought > it might be do-able.....? > > Happy cutting and soldering.... > > ___ __ _____ __ > / | _____ / /_/ ___/ ___ _ __ / /_ ____ ____ > / /| | / ___// __/\__ \ / _ \ | |/_// __// __ \ / __ \ > / ___ |/ / / /_ ___/ // __/_> < / /_ / /_/ // / / / > /_/ |_|_/ \__//____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \____//_/ /_/ > > > Is there man with nerve enough > to think that two sexes aren't enough? > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass there is a keyword, glass@bungi.com is in all the headers, or in the sig line. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 07:14:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEbf6-0000tva; Tue, 8 Apr 97 07:14 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:13:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.61331.0> References: <<1997Apr7.20145.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk leestat7 wrote: > > Hi Albert, > Beautiful work. Constructive comments-I love the way the first page > 'fades' to red. However I personally find the blue-grey type difficult > to read against the red. (Type font is very readable). The tables of > restoration work are impressive. Also would suggest making the > 'clickable' links a different color type entirely. Just my 2cents > worth. I am very impressed overall. That was obviously a lot of work, > putting together the whole site. I am curious about how many hours it > takes for a site like that??? I am finishing an abstract "Study in > Blue" that I will use for a signature first picture for my studio IGGA > page,(members work). Hope to have it and 3 others in pictures soon to > send you. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > < > > Yes, I mis-typed the URL. Try > > > > http://www.cummingsstudio.com > > > > Sorry. > > > > Albert > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i'm going to add to that, though i disagree about the fade. i know when i had a slower computer and modem 14.4 on a 386, watching a fade, was like waiting for the school bell to reach 3:00. it just takes a real long time. i think one fade took over a minute to do on that thing. just lett'n you know. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 07:57:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEcKc-0000w7a; Tue, 8 Apr 97 07:57 PDT X-Path: CapAccess.org!rejones From: "Robert E. Jones" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oil for Cutter Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr8.7132.0> References: <<1997Apr7.9410.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk It seems to me that we are missing the easiest and fastest way to solve th problem of oil leaking out of the cutters. DON'T PUT THE OIL IN THE CUTTER! My teacher did not recommend these cutters for several reasons.... 1. The pistol grips aren't much good for anything but straight cuts. 2. There is more to go wrong with the resevoir cutters. 3. He "just don't like 'em." I tried a pistol grip, I did not like it. It was too hard to control. Also, I find that I can better control the amount of oil on the head of the cutter by dipping it in oil and wiping on a rag if there is too much. Just my .02 worth. Thanks for listenin'. Bob Jones rejones@capaccess.org ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 08:07:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEcUJ-0000iba; Tue, 8 Apr 97 08:07 PDT X-Path: intrastar.net!ssuter From: Shirley Suter To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.5924.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Intrastellar Internet Service & Suter's Stained Glass Precedence: bulk Hey Albert, Just checked out yours and the Cummings sites. Viewed them with a 5x86, running Netscape 3.01 on a 56K connection. I personally like the "fade" on the Cummings site and found the text quite easy to read (color adjustments on monitors is such a personal thing). Honestly, I called up the URLs thinking I would glimpse at your work and offer a simple critique. I was drawn "into" the sites with their attractive appearance and their ease of operation. All links worked perfectly on both sites. It was a very pleasant visit (though longer and more enjoyable than originally anticipated). Albert.......what can I say? VERY NICE!! A well-done job---BRAVO! Consider yourself "bookmarked"! Shirley Grapeland, Tx. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 08:54:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEdDP-00005Ma; Tue, 8 Apr 97 08:53 PDT X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: bashful To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: paring down the posts... Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 11:53:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.45339.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Heretics United Precedence: bulk I belong to a number of mail lists other than this one. I have noticed these same type of comments in all of them, at one time or another. Some people will/can edit a reply. Some people won't/can't(due to an inflexible news reader). Some people will never be happy, regardless of their software. Some of the best information is posted by people who don't edit the reply. Annoying? Yes -but a cheap price to pay. My 2 drachmas Glenna Rand wrote: . I've been subzcribing to this group for about a month and > > have considered unsubzcribing a couple of times...because of the repeats of > > repeats of posts, the long taglines (which can be repeated several times due > > to unedited reposting), and also the numerous messages which could be > > handled more appropriately via a private email posting only to the > > individual involved. > > > It's just that I've been noticing lately that there's a lot of > > bandwidth being taken up unnecessarily...and wondering if it's only myself > > that finds this cumbersome? > > Overall, I'm pleased with the communication and helpfulness of the > > group...it just seems to require some perseverence to get through all the > > extraneous stuff. > > Cheers ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 09:10:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEdTU-000064a; Tue, 8 Apr 97 09:10 PDT X-Path: nwi.net!dloda From: "Lynn & Dave Loda" To: Subject: Re: stepping stones archives Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 09:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: <199704081615.JAA11830@nwinternet.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Dawn > To: Joni Tornwall ; glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: stepping stones archives > Date: Tuesday, April 08, 1997 8:33 AM > > > I did receive 2 > >copies of what I think are the stepping stone archives anyway. Do >they > >start out "Kathy, I have several questions regarding the stepping > >stones, not the least of which is why they cost so >much".......something > l>ike that? Maybe you posted the archives to the whole group. > > Hi Joni, > > I did accidentally post the file to the group yesterday (was trying to > hurry and get all my mail out during my lunch break and evidently > my fingers were working faster than my brain. Ha!) > > The notes from the Archive did start out with that message. *But*, if > you are interested in receiving a copy of the archive I wouldn't > suggest using that. It would be better for me to send you an > attachment of the file in ASCII format. Then you could save it > to your hard drive, pull it up in a wordprocessing program and use > it however you want. That way, you can do keyword searchs, > format it however you want, print out whatever sections you want, > etc. > > I'm going to go ahead and send this message to the whole group > so they know the benefits of receiving the ASCII file, as opposed > to just using what accidentally showed up yesterday. I'll send you > another note in a minute with the file attached. > > Dawn > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 09:39:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEdvD-00005fa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 09:39 PDT X-Path: aol.com!SPRECHFAM From: SPRECHFAM@aol.com To: Glass@bungi.com Subject: copy of the file Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr8.83851.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I would appreciate a copy of the mosaic stone files. Thanks you. Sprechfam@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 10:30:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEeio-0001IOa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 10:30 PDT X-Path: az.stratus.com!charlie From: Charles Spitzer To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Tue, 8 Apr 97 10:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <<1997Apr7.194153.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Customer Assistance Center, Stratus Computer, Inc. Precedence: bulk You wrote: > I am quite new to stained glass and I have a lot of things that I want to > ask but my main concern now is my grinder. I did not havea grinder of my own > until now as I was using the teacher's one now I purchased one. I willonly > beusingthe grinder here in the US for another 5-6 months then I will be > taking it to Europe where the voltage is 220 > so I bought a 220 grinder fit to be used in Europe.Everyone that I had > talked to had told me that I could use it here in the US with a > transformer.Today I called the company which manufactues the grinder to ask > how many watts should my transformer be only to be told that you could not > use grinders with transformers because the motor would blow up. I was > shocked by this info as I know that almost every electrical appliance can be > used with a proper transformer. My question is whether anyone knows if this > info is accurate or not.I would really appreciate if you could let me > know.Thanks. VAFI5@AOL.COM ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEfOV-0000eTa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 11:13 PDT X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: bashful To: glass@bungi.com Subject: [Fwd: ] Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 14:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.71253.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Heretics United Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------397414EE4A55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So much for ask the expert I guess the subject isn't intereting enough --------------397414EE4A55 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: shyguy@vdot.net Received: (qmail 3399 invoked from smtpd); 8 Apr 1997 16:47:49 -0000 Received: from origin.hepcats.com (HELO hepcats.com) (@207.111.17.2) by linux2.vdot.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 1997 16:47:49 -0000 Received: by origin.hepcats.com via suspension id <41483-3>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from [10.1.254.110] ([10.1.254.110]) by origin.hepcats.com with ESMTP id <41480-3>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:48:03 -0400 Date:Tue, 8 Apr 1997 07:44:28 -0400 From: Scientific Editors To: "shyguy@vdot.net" Message-ID: <970408.114428@sciam.com> X-Mailer: QM-Internet Gateway 1.0.1 X-Priority: 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We received your request for assistance in your research. Much as we = would like to help, the enormous volume of mail that we receive simply = makes it impossible for us to do so. = Thank you for thinking of SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN and good luck with your work.= Sincerely, THE EDITORS -------------------------------------- Date: 4/4/97 12:54 AM From: Unprivileged user Name: Bob van Valen Phone: 212 460 7131 Fax: 212 995 8453 Email: shyguy@vdot.net Address: 770 Broadway 9th fl c/o FTI City: New York State: New York Country: USA Zip: 10003 Question: Many years ago SI had an article about the effect = of water on a flaw/scratch on the surface of glass. I vaguely remember it had to do with the release of = Atoms or ions, and the chemical effect on the = glass. The water increased the penetration of the = 'vee' throiugh the glass surface. I am asking this, as I work with leaded glass, and = participate in UseNet newsgroups and email list = concering glass art or all types. A discuusion has = arisen about the purpose of using oil, kerosene, or = othe petrochemcals on the wheel of the glass = cutter. Some feel it is to lubricate the cutting = wheel and its axle, others feel it has an affect on = the glass itself. I lean toward the effect, with = the need for lubrications a secondary, but = worthwhile need. Is there an online archive = available, or can some there shed some light on the = subject? Thank you in advance for your assistance = name: Submit --------------397414EE4A55-- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 11:17:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEfS1-00014pa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 11:17 PDT X-Path: aol.com!WLester380 From: WLester380@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Stepping Stone "File" Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr8.101653.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn - I just finished going through the stepping stone file which you compiled from the Bungi archives. Thanks, this was a great help. I appreciate all of the time that it must have taken you to sort through the tons of redundancies! You are great! Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 12:16:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEgNQ-0000sXa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 12:16 PDT X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr8.111615.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-08 13:12:34 EDT, you write: << For whatever it's worth, I have used Baby Oil in my Toyo for years and had > great luck. The fluid seems light enough to flow to the head without > clogging. >> Sounds very pleasant to me. I would love to try this. Maybe next cutter. I was told that once you've used a certain type of oil in a cutter that you should stick with it and not change. Any thoughts on this? Janet Farrington imn2glass@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 13:06:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEhA0-0000qsa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 13:06 PDT X-Path: mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: imn2glass@aol.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:06:13 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Janet, I have used the same pencil-like cutter for a number of years, and have replaced the head a couple of times. I started with the oil they sell at glass supply stores, then tried the light machine oil used on small motors such as tape recorders, and finally turned to baby oil. At the point I was making each switch, I made sure the cutter was practically dry. I could not tell that switching affected the cutter at all. So, I would say that you should feel fairly safe in switching once you are out, or viturally out, of your present oil. I'll add, too, that I feel much less concern about running the cutter's head across my palm to be sure it's oiling okay with baby oil in it that I used to feel doing the same thing with machine oil in it. =Gary >In a message dated 97-04-08 13:12:34 EDT, you write: > ><< For whatever it's worth, I have used Baby Oil in my Toyo for years and >had > > great luck. The fluid seems light enough to flow to the head without > > clogging. >> > >Sounds very pleasant to me. I would love to try this. Maybe next cutter. I >was told that once you've used a certain type of oil in a cutter that you >should stick with it and not change. Any thoughts on this? > >Janet Farrington >imn2glass@aol.com ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 15:48:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEjgg-0000xka; Tue, 8 Apr 97 15:48 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your comments, please Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:36:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199704082225.SAA10562@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > Honestly, I called up the URLs thinking I would glimpse at your work and > offer a simple critique. I was drawn "into" the sites with their > attractive appearance and their ease of operation. All links worked > perfectly on both sites. It was a very pleasant visit (though longer > and more enjoyable than originally anticipated). Thanks for the kudos, Shirley. Much appreciated. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 16:02:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEjuG-00010Ra; Tue, 8 Apr 97 16:02 PDT X-Path: fast.net!charles From: Charles To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oil for Cutter Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 18:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.145528.0> References: <<1997Apr8.7132.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Robert E. Jones wrote: > > It seems to me that we are missing the easiest and fastest way to solve > th problem of oil leaking out of the cutters. > > DON'T PUT THE OIL IN THE CUTTER! > We use our cutters 8 hours a day. As a time saving matter we do not put oil in them. It takes more time to deal with oil in them than it takes to just dip the cutters. The cutters are very good, some of us use the pistol grip, some use the standard grip. Being the stick-in-the-mud that I am my preferrence is the standard grip. > My teacher did not recommend these cutters for several reasons.... > > 1. The pistol grips aren't much good for anything but straight cuts. > 2. There is more to go wrong with the resevoir cutters. > 3. He "just don't like 'em." > The key here is "don't like 'em". The pistol grips are the most popular single type of cutter. They pistol grips lose a little bit of flexibility due to the position of the hand. The flexibility lost is not very important for the average user. The important thing is COMFORT. What is the most comfortable way for a beginner to hold a cutter? There was a lot of talk about cutting oil mixtures. The 'oil' should be thick enough to stay with the cutter wheel for a long cut (kerosene drops off the wheel too quickly) but not so thick that it collects glass chips around the wheel. The single most important function of the 'oil' is keeping the cutter wheel cool. In commercial glass shops you might see a cutter (person) brush oil on the glass before scoring. This is done because the oil does not stick with the cutter on a long score. In cutting circles I brush on oil prior to scoring. Oil is an important part of scoring glass. Charles Warner Warner-Crivellaro http://www.warner-criv.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 18:53:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEmZO-0000sza; Tue, 8 Apr 97 18:53 PDT X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Oil for Cutter Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970408214339.006882ec@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >DON'T PUT THE OIL IN THE CUTTER! > >My teacher did not recommend these cutters for several reasons.... > > 1. The pistol grips aren't much good for anything but straight cuts. > 2. There is more to go wrong with the resevoir cutters. > 3. He "just don't like 'em." > >I tried a pistol grip, I did not like it. It was too hard to control. > >Also, I find that I can better control the amount of oil on the head of >the cutter by dipping it in oil and wiping on a rag if there is too much. > >Just my .02 worth. > >Thanks for listenin'. > >Bob Jones IMHO you should pass on information or opinions that are your own and not that of others. People with real experience with these cutters have real solutions to offer, not just passing on biases from those who are not able to really justify their positions. My experience of over 11 years with a pistol grip cutter is that 1) some leak and some don't 2) you don't really need to put oil in them, but if you do that's fine 3) control is in the eye of the beholder. I have absolutely no problem controlling my swivel head. Some people do not have that advantage and are better suited to those that do not have that feature. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 21:12:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEokF-0000z8a; Tue, 8 Apr 97 21:12 PDT X-Path: slonet.org!edupjohn From: "Peggy W. Johnsen" To: Toby Subject: Re: Chartres stained glass visit Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr8.131747.0> References: <<199704010149.CAA28347@linux.nildram.co.uk>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Elisabeth: Just returned home. It is now 4:20 a.m. your time and 8:00 my time. To say I am tired is an understatement. Just wanted you to know what a wonderful trip Chartres '97 has been. I shall certainly look forward to the next one. My husband met me in San Luis Obispo and everything was on time. Just wanted to say thank you many times over. Also, I didn't have a minute to spare by the time I got through the security at Heathrow. I literally ran to gate 14...after arriving at gate 27. Wrong gate for my flight. Had an uneventful return. Now, I am going to finally get something to eat and say hello to Luther. Love to Susan. I will talk to you later when I am more coherent. Love, Peggy. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 8 22:55:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEqLD-0000zJa; Tue, 8 Apr 97 22:54 PDT X-Path: catalina-inter.net!palomino From: palomino@catalina-inter.net (Margaret Palomino) To: Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 22:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr8.15582.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All - Thanks for the warm welcome and for all the advice on heating glass vis a vis my paint stripper. Mike and Doug, I'll take your advice and pass on using the paint stripper for that purpose, and try some of the other methods that were suggested by the two of you and Lee. Carol, I'd not heard before that warm glass was also easier to foil. I'll definitely try that! Wayne, thanks for the words of encouragement on my glass cutting techniques. I will absolutely go out a buy some cheapo glass to practice my cuts on. Dawn, thank you for the stepping stone info. You did a great job of compiling a wealth of knowledge, and it's greatly appreciated! Maureen, if you look into the archives (address below), you will find that Ed Sibbett's patterns are not well thought of by some of the members of this group. It was very exciting to read the archives, and then follow the links to veteran Bungian home pages. Mike Savad, Howard, Elizabeth, Glenna and Shattered Images, your web pages are awesome! Seeing the caliber of your glass work makes me respect your advice and comments that much more. Are there any other members of the list who have web pages that I've missed? I read in the archives about the "Atlas" project, which would contain patterns designed by people on this list. How is that coming along? Are designs still being submitted? To whom? Margie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 06:08:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEx6d-0000BMa; Wed, 9 Apr 97 06:08 PDT X-Path: ll.mit.edu!cogen From: David Cogen To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 09:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: <9704090904.AA05211@LL.MIT.EDU> References: <<199704081026.GAA01621@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > called the company which manufactues the grinder to ask how many watts should > my transformer be only to be told that you could not use grinders with > transformers because the motor would blow up. Don't accept that answer. "Blow up?" What does this mean? Like a bomb? Get someone who is willing and able to give you a real explanation. That is nonsense. Tell them that. There is no way to make a motor "blow up" using a transformer. A transformer is the best, most accurate way to convert AC voltages. But frequency is another matter. In Europe they use 50hz; in USA, 60hz. You need to find out if the grinder will work with both frequencies. -- David ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 06:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wExoS-0000nma; Wed, 9 Apr 97 06:53 PDT X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Kudos, Dawn! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970409085645.0069e09c@busprod.com> References: <<1997Apr7.44028.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the copy of the Stepping Stone Archive...you did a great job of compilation! I only wish I would have found this group before I started making stones...I could have saved myself some time consuming experimentation! LJ **************************************************************** LJ Maas: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "Unique Stained Glass Creations" OVER THE RAINBOW Webpage Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 07:06:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEy0b-00007La; Wed, 9 Apr 97 07:05 PDT X-Path: tchden.org!gonzales.teresa From: "Gonzales, Diane" To: bungi group Subject: Opinions on Cutter Oil Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:04:00 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.140.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Joyce Moran, I agree. I, myself would not do well with no oil in my cutter because I can just see myself forgetting to dip the wheel. It would be a matter of forming a new habit. M Savad, Thanks for your response about the cutter and the half bevels I think I may buy the same cutter you mentioned. I want to see which cutter I have better control with; pistol vs. the Score Master 2. Thanks again. Bungians! You are all wonderful. I enjoy all the input. Thank you. T Diane Gonzales ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 08:13:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEz3u-000035a; Wed, 9 Apr 97 08:13 PDT X-Path: vdot.net!shyguy From: bashful To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Opinions on Cutter Oil Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.41311.0> References: <<1997Apr9.140.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Heretics United Precedence: bulk Gonzales, Diane wrote: > > Joyce Moran, > > I agree. I, myself would not do well with no oil in my cutter because I > can just see myself forgetting to dip the wheel. It would be a matter > of forming a new habit. I have both types, and I the the habit comment says it all - just before I cut I dip the cutter in oil -whichever I am using. Is it silly to dip a filled resevoir cutter? Yeah, but when I'm concentrating, I think certain processes go over to Autopilot. I find that the different cutters score better on different types of glass. I was told that different makers use different angles on the Vee on the wheels. I guess if you can try them out at a local store, you can see what works for you. Or if you've got deep pockets, buy one of each. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 08:23:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wEzDf-0000fga; Wed, 9 Apr 97 08:23 PDT X-Path: mail.island.net!seaspray From: seaspray@mail.island.net (Carol Swann) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: foiling warm glass Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:23:23 -0700 Message-ID: <199704091523.IAA24301@norm.island.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I don't think that warm glass is any easier to foil, it's just the warmth seems to make the adhesive easier to work with and burnish down, and since the strength of copper foil is in how well the foil adheres to the glass... Cheers Carol Synergy Glass & Creative ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 11:17:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF1vN-0000nca; Wed, 9 Apr 97 11:16 PDT X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:54:04 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 8 Apr 97, Albert Lewis wrote: > > called the company which manufactues the grinder to ask how many > > watts should my transformer be only to be told that you could not > > use grinders with transformers because the motor would blow up. > > Could it be that they're merely trying to tell you that you do so at > your own risk, that they won't accept any responsibility? My > six-year-old grandson's get-in-and-drive-it-around-yourself car with > pedals has a warning sticker that says, "Do not drive this car in > traffic. It is not a real automobile and does not meet road safety > regulations." As though a six-year-old were going to thing it were! > > Albert No it really will blow up. Transfrmers change the wave pattern, and it affects electric motors. But many manufacturers have dual valtage switchs. I recommend you find one of that type Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 11:18:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF1vN-00002Ta; Wed, 9 Apr 97 11:16 PDT X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: gjr@bungi.com (Glenna Rand), Subject: Re: paring down the posts... Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:43:46 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 7 Apr 97, Glenna Rand wrote: >....... It's just that I've been noticing lately that > > there's a lot of bandwidth being taken up unnecessarily...and > > wondering if it's only myself that finds this cumbersome? what is bandwidth? Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 11:18:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF1vN-0000eya; Wed, 9 Apr 97 11:16 PDT X-Path: lobo.net!exotic From: "Myrddn" To: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz), Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 01:46:44 +0000 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk On 7 Apr 97, Gary Shultz wrote: > >> Also, the product instructions that came with my new Toyo say to > >> use Kerosene and to fill never more than half full. It says a > >> thicker fluid is likely to cause clogging. Anyone use kerosene??? > >> Kris Yes, I have been using kerosene. But my pencil grip really leaks. I switched to 3-in-1 oil. Blessed Be Myrddn Nothing happens by chance. All is serendipity! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 14:23:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF4p6-0000kZa; Wed, 9 Apr 97 14:22 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiling warm glass Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:21:33 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.132133.0> References: <<199704091523.IAA24301@norm.island.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Carol Swann wrote: > > I don't think that warm glass is any easier to foil, it's just the warmth > seems to make the adhesive easier to work with and burnish down, and since > the strength of copper foil is in how well the foil adheres to the glass... > > Cheers > > Carol > Synergy Glass & Creative > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass maybe if it's colder the heat from hands may cause the glass to condensate, making the foil not stick. a little far fetched, but still plausible. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 16:25:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF6jv-0000eca; Wed, 9 Apr 97 16:25 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: oil and toil Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:24:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199704092324.SAA09993@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bunginians (bungians), I use peanut oil with my cutters so that if I don't feel like doing any glass work I'll have something to fry my wontons in. Just kidding of course, my way of saying that I'm glad to be back after somehow loosing my subscription for about three weeks. Thanks Albert. I did check out the archives and got caught up with all the graphics chat and found it very informative and somewhat relavent to boot. Just my 0.02 on cutters and oil I know a few production cutters (40-60 hours a week, every week) that have taken to using the pistol grip they say it causes far less fatigue. It's funny though how people get set in their ways with tools, the pistol grip was laying around this shop for years until someone tried it out and discovered how comfortable it was to use...BTW.. Its the person who is responsible for accuracy not the tool and they have adjusted quite nicely thank-you. Someone said that the oil on the cutter cools it, well I guess thats true since the definition of lubrication to reduce friction which causes heat and wear. You know it feels way better when you roll an oiled cutter across the glass! I've always held that since the wheel is crushing the surface of the glass and the wheel has to negotiate its way through this rubble that the oil causes a surface tension that moves this debris aside allowing the for better contact between the wheel and the glass surface and in turn a cleaner sharper score. Just my humble opinion. Well back to flood duty, the Mighty Mississippi is big and ugly this year. We expect 2 feet of water over the hiway through town but no evacuation of homes fortunately. Len check out my website... at corner of the window above the kitchen sink ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 16:39:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF6xW-00006va; Wed, 9 Apr 97 16:39 PDT X-Path: connecti.com!wsexton From: Arthur Sexton To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970409233949.006c2130@connecti.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have taken my grinder to Europe and used a "transformer" that works for other electrical appliances...no problems. Motors are not nearly as sensitive to electrical variations as other solid ciruit appliances so I would not see where there should be a problem. ___ __ _____ __ / | _____ / /_/ ___/ ___ _ __ / /_ ____ ____ / /| | / ___// __/\__ \ / _ \ | |/_// __// __ \ / __ \ / ___ |/ / / /_ ___/ // __/_> < / /_ / /_/ // / / / /_/ |_|_/ \__//____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \____//_/ /_/ Is there man with nerve enough to think that two sexes aren't enough? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 17:46:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF7zf-0000kKa; Wed, 9 Apr 97 17:45 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: oil and toil Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 19:49:49 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr10.24949.0> References: <<199704092324.SAA09993@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Len, I'm putting in a late night at the office to beat a deadline Friday, and = just decided to take a short breather and check my glass mail. Your mess= age gave me the laugh I desperately needed! (Although I think of all the= archives I have been through, I've decided your response to the person = inquiring about the dangers of doing stained glass while trying to get = pregnant has to be the classic--can't top that!) Back to my toiling over reports late into the evening.... Dawn P.S. Where along the Miss. are you located? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 17:48:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF81u-0000iva; Wed, 9 Apr 97 17:47 PDT X-Path: artisticglassusa.com!studio From: studio@artisticglassusa.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > ___ __ _____ __ > / | _____ / /_/ ___/ ___ _ __ / /_ ____ ____ > / /| | / ___// __/\__ \ / _ \ | |/_// __// __ \ / __ \ > / ___ |/ / / /_ ___/ // __/_> < / /_ / /_/ // / / / >/_/ |_|_/ \__//____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \____//_/ /_/ > > What does this thing say? -Michael Michael Delaware www.artisticglassusa.com michael@artisticglassusa.com Phone: 770-992-2900 Fax: 770-518-8686 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 18:08:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF8L0-00014ba; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:07 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 21:06:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.17649.0> References: <> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Artistic Glass of Atlanta wrote: > > > ___ __ _____ __ > > / | _____ / /_/ ___/ ___ _ __ / /_ ____ ____ > > / /| | / ___// __/\__ \ / _ \ | |/_// __// __ \ / __ \ > > / ___ |/ / / /_ ___/ // __/_> < / /_ / /_/ // / / / > >/_/ |_|_/ \__//____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \____//_/ /_/ > > > > > > What does this thing say? > > -Michael > > Michael Delaware > www.artisticglassusa.com > michael@artisticglassusa.com > Phone: 770-992-2900 > Fax: 770-518-8686 > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it's his name done in slashes art sexton. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 18:12:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF8Ou-0000wta; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:11 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:18:27 +0000 Message-ID: <199704100111.VAA07102@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ___ __ _____ __ > > / | _____ / /_/ ___/ ___ _ __ / /_ ____ ____ > > / /| | / ___// __/\__ \ / _ \ | |/_// __// __ \ / __ \ > > / ___ |/ / / /_ ___/ // __/_> < / /_ / /_/ // / / / > >/_/ |_|_/ \__//____/ \___//_/|_| \__/ \____//_/ /_/ > > > > > > What does this thing say? Hmm. I thought it was Taliesin Worst. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 18:13:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF8Q4-0000pda; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:12 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:19:43 +0000 Message-ID: <199704100112.VAA07226@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk > it's his name done in slashes art sexton. Wow, I must be *really tired. I can't see that at all. Off to bed for me, that's for sure. Albert ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 18:34:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF8kC-0000p4a; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:33 PDT X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: oil and toil Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.203341.0> References: <<199704092324.SAA09993@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > check out my website... at corner of the window > above the kitchen sink ROFL!!! Welcome back, Len. You have been missed. Good lunck with floods! Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 18:42:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF8ry-00004Ka; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:41 PDT X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Thanks Bungians! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:41:47 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.204147.0> References: <<1997Apr8.15582.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > I read in the archives about the "Atlas" project, which would contain > patterns designed by people on this list. How is that coming along? Are > designs still being submitted? To whom? > > Margie Hello, Margie. Designs are most certainly being submitted still. My understanding is that the archive is to be a never-ending project. Joyce is the blessed volunteer accepting them. Send patterns to joyce@mail.bright.net or Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 Take care, Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 18:49:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF8yr-0000mma; Wed, 9 Apr 97 18:48 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 20:53:03 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr10.3533.0> References: <<199704100112.VAA07226@ns.computer.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael and Albert, You have the same problem that I do. My mail displays in a proportional = font, so things like that do not show up as they should. When I format = it with a fixed-spaced font, such as courier, it makes all the difference= --can actually see what it says. Don't make that optometrist appointment just yet--it's not your eyes, jus= t your font. Dawn >Wow, I must be *really tired. I can't see that at all. Off to bed for = >me, that's for sure. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 19:31:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF9dc-0000z1a; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:31 PDT X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Glass Atlas Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:29:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970409221716.006affb8@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:41 PM 4/9/97 +0000, you wrote: >> I read in the archives about the "Atlas" project, which would contain >> patterns designed by people on this list. How is that coming along? Are >> designs still being submitted? To whom? I am still receiving patterns. And I have worked hard this week to try to get them on the bungi.com web site...but so far no luck. Still working on it though. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Send patterns to Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 or email joyce@mail.bright.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 19:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF9je-0000zEa; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:37 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Vafi5 From: Vafi5@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr9.18375.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the info regarding the grinder's usage with a transformer.Especially Arthur who said he used his with one.VAFI5. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 19:42:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wF9o6-00014Fa; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:41 PDT X-Path: net-magic.net!tcn From: tcn@net-magic.net (Boatwright, W.L.) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Butterfly Molds Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:44:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr9.154451.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: The Craft Nook, Inc. Precedence: bulk We received the Butterfly molds to day... They look Great..Contact us before you BUY.. Thanks, Walter and Rhonda 1-800-458-6292 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Wed Apr 9 19:58:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFA3D-00006La; Wed, 9 Apr 97 19:57 PDT X-Path: snowcrest.net!beermug From: Paul Deutsch To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Barbara-book Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199704100257.TAA14488@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Barbara-I heard from the lady that wanted the Tiffany book, she ordered it through the local bookstore because the price was cheaper, well, seems the bookstore cannot get it for her, do you still have access to it? Apparently the book is discontinued and only if you have it in stock, can you get it. Thanks Sherry ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 05:33:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFJ1x-0000ega; Thu, 10 Apr 97 05:32 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Plant Sconces Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:50:10 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr10.145010.0> References: <<1997Apr7.22849.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd also like the pattern ( copy ) I'd be willing to pay the postage also. Mary Austin diamonds@juno.com 801 Merry Lane Greeenwood, IN 46142 Thanks! On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 06:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Yegnim@aol.com writes: > To: Gloria > From: Eleanor (Yegnim@aol) > > I am looking for some unusual pieces to make and I have never >encountered >herb/plant sconces before. Would you share info with me? Did you use >a >custom pattern or make your own? What hardware for hanging do you >intend to >use? I would love to see what they look like! Could you send me a >pattern >with instructions? If you e-mail me personally I can give you my >mailing >address as I don't believe we are supposed to give that info on bungi >space. > I will be happy to pay any postage due. > >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 06:30:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFJvP-00005na; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:30 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Restrip vs. Strongline Reinforcement Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 08:34:11 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr10.153411.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good morning everyone, I have a question about reinforcement in a copper foil project. Is there some criteria that determines when you use Restrip, which is 10 mil, and when you use Strongline, which is 20 mil.? I'm getting ready to begin a copper foil project that is approximately 4 square feet and I'm not sure which I should order. I also heard that you can = use solder wick as reinforcement because the braid fills with solder. What are your preferences for reinforcement material in copper foil projects? Dawn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 06:48:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFKCS-0000Ana; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:47 PDT X-Path: artisticglassusa.com!studio From: studio@artisticglassusa.com (Artistic Glass of Atlanta) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: grinder Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk RE: > >it's his name done in slashes art sexton. > >---Mike Savad > Cool. Thanks for clearing that up for me Mike. -Michael Michael Delaware www.artisticglassusa.com michael@artisticglassusa.com Phone: 770-992-2900 Fax: 770-518-8686 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 07:04:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFKSH-0000dYa; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:04 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Barbara-book Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.6257.0> References: <<199704100257.TAA14488@mtshasta.snowcrest.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Paul Deutsch wrote: > > Barbara-I heard from the lady that wanted the Tiffany book, she ordered it > through the local bookstore because the price was cheaper, well, seems the > bookstore cannot get it for her, do you still have access to it? Apparently > the book is discontinued and only if you have it in stock, can you get it. > > Thanks > Sherry > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i thnk i got that tiffany book in the smithsonian muesum store, in some mall. and i got it for half off for some reason. check your local more fancy and expensive malls, there might be one near you. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 07:08:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFKW4-00006Ia; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:07 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Restrip vs. Strongline Reinforcement Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:07:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.678.0> References: <<1997Apr10.153411.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > > Good morning everyone, > > I have a question about reinforcement in a copper foil project. Is > there some criteria that determines when you use Restrip, which is > 10 mil, and when you use Strongline, which is 20 mil.? I'm getting > ready to begin a copper foil project that is approximately 4 square > feet and I'm not sure which I should order. I also heard that you can = > use solder wick as reinforcement because the braid fills with > solder. What are your preferences for reinforcement material in > copper foil projects? > > Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i like the braided kind, though this one is'nt the solder wick. generally the thicker it is the harder it will be to shove in between spaces, but it will also be stronger. i'd get both kinds, and stick them in different places. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 07:09:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFKWm-0000kua; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:08 PDT X-Path: telalink.net!wood From: wood@telalink.net To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Mosaics Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:10:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.41018.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi One of the craft bulletin boards put up this link: www.thegrid.net/michele.glover/picassiette.htm It has pictures of 2 mosaic stepping stones, 1 mosaic bird bath, and 1 mosaic garden bench. I'm sure they were done the glue and grout method. Thought someone might be interested. Sandy Creations In Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 08:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFLUW-0000f4a; Thu, 10 Apr 97 08:10 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: the fused art newsletter Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.7930.0> References: <<1997Apr10.678.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk does anyone here belong to or know if "the fused art newsletter" is online, i want to make sure i'm on the list, but i don't want to write to them. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 10:27:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFNcB-0000u6a; Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:26 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Vafi5 From: Vafi5@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: plant sconces Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr10.92618.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I would like a copy of the plant sconces too please let me know how .Thanks.VAFI5@AOL.COM. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 14:04:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFQzr-00011za; Thu, 10 Apr 97 14:03 PDT X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS2 From: IMN2GLASS2@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Restrip vs. Strongline Reinforcement Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr10.1330.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-10 12:33:18 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Restrip vs. Strongline Reinforcement Date: 97-04-10 12:33:18 EDT From: morn@nac.net (M. Savad) Reply-to: glass@bungi.com To: glass@bungi.com Dawn wrote: > > Good morning everyone, > > I have a question about reinforcement in a copper foil project. Is > there some criteria that determines when you use Restrip, which is > 10 mil, and when you use Strongline, which is 20 mil.? I'm getting > ready to begin a copper foil project that is approximately 4 square > feet and I'm not sure which I should order. I also heard that you can = > use solder wick as reinforcement because the braid fills with > solder. What are your preferences for reinforcement material in > copper foil projects? > > Dawn > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i like the braided kind, though this one is'nt the solder wick. generally the thicker it is the harder it will be to shove in between spaces, but it will also be stronger. i'd get both kinds, and stick them in different places. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From owner-glass@daver.bungi.com Thu Apr 10 12:32:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from daver.bungi.com (daver.bungi.com [207.126.97.2]) by emin41.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) with SMTP id MAA15282; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0wFKW4-00006Ia; Thu, 10 Apr 97 07:07 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Restrip vs. Strongline Reinforcement Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:07:08 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.678.0> References: <<1997Apr10.153411.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >> Dawn, I'm by no means an expert but my particular preference for reinforcing a copper foil panel would be 10 mil copper restrip. I have a friend who used this on a very large panel and had nice strong results. As long as you find a good vertical pattern line to reinforce as well as a good horizontal line, I think you won't have any difficulty. I have also used braided reinforcing material for smaller projects that mhave worked nicely.My glass partner and I have done a number of 3-d projects that needed the copper restrip for strength, We've had nice luck with both restrip and braid for this. Good luck with your panel, Judy Davis(IMN2GLASS2@AOL.COM) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 15:09:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFS1V-0001Dba; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:08 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:18:23 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr10.221823.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I just received notice that the messages I sent to those on AOL attaching a copy of my ASCII file were not delivered. It seems to have bounced back all the messages I sent on Monday that were addressed to AOL clients. I'll attach a portion of the message. if anyone has any idea what happened, please let me know. Does AOL have a limit on the size of file you can attach? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 15:19:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFSAU-0001DGa; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:18 PDT X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970410172209.006a38d4@busprod.com> References: <<1997Apr10.221823.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >I just received notice that the messages I sent to those on AOL >attaching a copy of my ASCII file were not delivered. It seems to >have bounced back all the messages I sent on Monday that were >addressed to AOL clients. I'll attach a portion of the message. if >anyone has any idea what happened, please let me know. Does >AOL have a limit on the size of file you can attach? Dawn...It's been about a year since I have used AOL, but at that time AOL mail could not send or receive attached files. This may have changed and they're having their usual AOL type problems. LJ **************************************************************** LJ Maas: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "Unique Stained Glass Creations" OVER THE RAINBOW Webpage Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 16:00:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFSo9-0001I7a; Thu, 10 Apr 97 15:59 PDT X-Path: ix.netcom.com!RThaxton From: RThaxton@ix.netcom.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:54:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.85417.0> References: <<1997Apr10.221823.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn wrote: > Does > AOL have a limit on the size of file you can attach? > ---- Dawn, I also have AOL but as you have seen I am using Netcom. AOL does have a limit but what the limit is I don't know. I am going to drop AOL in May after I get my free month for being sooo patient when you never can log on. I actually think that Netcom has a limit too. As for mime files I have know idea how to access one. not that I've helped....Melissa Hind sight is better to have before hand! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 17:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFTli-000126a; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:00 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.15572.0> References: <<1997Apr10.7930.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Mike S. Yes I belong-and just talked to Judy this morning. They are not "on line" They have their studios just a short distance north of Sarasota. Here is there phone #, you can phone them to get on the list. 941-792-3078 or fax 941-795-1576 They are teaching a fusing and enamels class at the AGSA June 25-27, Baltimore MD . They make beautiful Fused creations and use Dichroic glass too. Tell them if you call that I posted this, so they don't wonder where a bunch of calls are coming from all of a sudden. Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations M. Savad wrote: > > does anyone here belong to or know if "the fused art newsletter" is > online, i want to make sure i'm on the list, but i don't want to write > to them. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 17:27:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFU9e-00003ca; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:25 PDT X-Path: aol.com!IMN2GLASS From: IMN2GLASS@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr10.162517.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-10 18:11:23 EDT, you write: << I just received notice that the messages I sent to those on AOL attaching a copy of my ASCII file were not delivered. It seems to have bounced back all the messages I sent on Monday that were addressed to AOL clients. >> You know Dawn, I have AOL and another server too. Sometimes lately when I forward something to AOL it gets bounced. Does yours say that they will keep trying for 5 days. If so, it will get here eventually, don't worry. If it's a fatal error, then it won't be delivered at all. If it's a non-fatal error, they will keep trying. If it was fatal, you can send a copy to me at jsfarr@capecod.net I know that won't help anyone else, but it takes care of me. I have a couple of friends on this list that are on AOL too. So if I get it I can help them out maybe. Thanks for letting us know. Janet Farrington jsfarr@capecod.net imn2glass@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 17:50:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFUWF-0000lya; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:48 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: computer generated heraldry Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr10.164841.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-05 14:21:44 EST, you write: << I was wondering if any of the group knew of a computer program which generated coats of arms >> No but it is a great idea. You might try some of the large internet, shareware sites. I would search on items like "software & heraldry" etc. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 17:50:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFUWf-0000mXa; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:49 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 2 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr10.16499.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-04 23:43:17 EST, you write: << and again, why do you fill the cutters with oil?????????? I just have to throw my $.02 in here, metal on glass generates quite a bit of heat, the oil keeps the cutting wheel cool, and sharp. similarly if you were cutting a new thread with a die, you would lubricate it, in order to keep the die sharp. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 18:59:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFVbT-0000fIa; Thu, 10 Apr 97 18:58 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: "JJKIRBY@aol.com" Subject: Re: Cutters, round 321659 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 18:57:50 -0500 Message-ID: <199704110157.SAA19498@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I am under the impression that friction generates heat, and just HOW MUCH friction (heat) is generated by a score....IMHO with a modicum of experience , it is probably rare to have a person score enough glass or draw a long enough score to cause it to "heat" up. One of my original questions was:::::::: "WHY DO YOU FILL THE CUTTER WITH OIL".....I was not touting not using it, but why filling the cutter. enjoy........H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 19:35:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFWAa-00012da; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:34 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: AOL Mail Problems] Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr10.183422.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I got this from my friend- I guess we here at AOL had a problem & didn't know it. I did however get a copy of the arcive of stepping stones & wish to thank you. However, I do know I haven't gotten all my mail as my dad said some bounced back to him Kris --------------------- Forwarded message: From: pearson@fls.infi.net (pearson@fls.infi.net) Reply-to: pearson@fls.infi.net To: krissymar@aol.com Date: 97-04-10 16:30:30 EDT Received: from particle.infi.net (particle.infi.net [206.153.61.144]) by mh102.infi.net (Infinet-S-8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04321; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Return-Path: owner-city-specific@infi.net Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by particle.infi.net (Infinet-S-8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25375; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by particle.infi.net (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:19:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by particle.infi.net (Infinet-S-8.8.5) id UAA01490 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704100019.UAA01490@particle.infi.net> Subject: AOL Mail Problems To: All InfiNet Subscribers From: InfiNet Customer Support Reply-to: support@infi.net Sender: owner-city-specific@infi.net To: All InfiNet Subscribers From: InfiNet Customer Support Subj: AOL Mail Problems InfiNet (and all other ISP's) is experiencing difficulties in delivering mail destined to AOL subscribers. 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Sincerely, InfiNet Customer Support ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 19:49:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFWO5-00001Wa; Thu, 10 Apr 97 19:48 PDT X-Path: gte.net!hinckley From: "Michael Hinckley" To: Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 22:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <199704110248.VAA19292@smtp.gte.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Lee, We are up in Clearwater- I didn't know about this "Fused Glass" news letter. What studio is it? Are there any other hot glass studios in the Tampa Bay area. (We know about Susan Gott and Chuck Boux). Mike and Debbie ---------- > From: leestat7 > To: glass@bungi.com > Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter > Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 7:57 PM > > Hi Mike S. > > Yes I belong-and just talked to Judy this morning. They are not "on > line" They have their studios just a short distance north of Sarasota. > Here is there phone #, you can phone them to get on the list. > 941-792-3078 or fax 941-795-1576 They are teaching a fusing and > enamels class at the AGSA June 25-27, Baltimore MD . They make > beautiful Fused creations and use Dichroic glass too. Tell them if you > call that I posted this, so they don't wonder where a bunch of calls are > coming from all of a sudden. > > Lee Boe > Rain-Boe's Creations > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > does anyone here belong to or know if "the fused art newsletter" is > > online, i want to make sure i'm on the list, but i don't want to write > > to them. > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Thu Apr 10 20:26:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFWxt-000151a; Thu, 10 Apr 97 20:25 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:21:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr10.192149.0> References: <<199704110248.VAA19292@smtp.gte.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Michael, The Studio is "Fused Fantasies" In Bradenton, Fl. Darlene & Judy. The Books that they have written & in print are 'Enchanted Creations', 'Simply Stunning', 'La Fuused Boutique', and 'Glass Magic". They have home studios, not a store front, but are happy to see people by appointment. I have a home studio too, and just sell thru gallery's and some shows. Have been doing Stained Glass, and just starting to get into fusing, and possibly lampworking. Maybe someone else on this list knows of hot glass artists in Tampa Area? And Glass Crafters is right here in Sarasota. Plus, Art Glass House over in Cocoa Beach (east coast of florida)has a lot of hot glass supplies. ,Michael Hinckley wrote: > > Hello Lee, > > We are up in Clearwater- I didn't know about this "Fused Glass" news > letter. What studio is it? Are there any other hot glass studios in the Tampa Bay area. (We know about Susan Gott and Chuck Boux). > > Mike and Debbie ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 01:44:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFbw7-0000fAa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:43 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 321659 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr11.04351.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk TO: Howard FROM: Eleanor (Yegnim@aol.com) I believe you fill your cutter partially with oil, or kerosine, etc. in order to make scoring easier and faster. Instead of dipping in a lubricant before each score, you simply just make your score. It does save time since it excludes the step of dipping before each use. Have you ever tried it, Howard? Why not give it a shot? ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 06:27:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFgMO-0000Bqa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 06:27 PDT X-Path: juno.com!diamonds From: diamonds@juno.com (Mary J Austin) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:21:05 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr11.15215.0> References: <<1997Apr10.678.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, I just checked my last newsletter and they only show the phone and fax number. 941-747-2041 792-3078 fax # is 941-795-1576 or write to Fused Fantasies 7416 8th Ave. Bradenton, FL 34209 Hope that helps. Mary On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:09:30 -0400 "M. Savad" writes: >does anyone here belong to or know if "the fused art newsletter" is >online, i want to make sure i'm on the list, but i don't want to write >to them. > >---Mike Savad > >-- >Mike's Stained Glass >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > >New Pages Added: > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > - The Creative Process > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > - Plus New Photos > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > - But That's Not All!!! > - My Links Page is UP! > - And Awards Page Too >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 06:51:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFgjk-0000jha; Fri, 11 Apr 97 06:51 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Cutters, round 321659 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:50:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.55037.0> References: <<199704110157.SAA19498@kim.teleport.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Elaine & Howard Rubin wrote: > > -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > I am under the impression that friction generates heat, and just HOW MUCH > friction (heat) is generated by a score....IMHO with a modicum of experience > , it is probably rare to have a person score enough glass or draw a long > enough score to cause it to "heat" up. > > One of my original questions was:::::::: "WHY DO YOU FILL THE CUTTER WITH > OIL".....I was not touting not using it, but why filling the cutter. > > enjoy........H > -- > New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ > 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard > > E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i think it's more on the line of micro heat. where the axel meats the shaft, and where the blade touches the surface. not enough to see it, but it's there. like running your finger across your leg (wearing pants), your finger will get slightly warm. i guess it lets the wheel stay sharper longer. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 06:55:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFgnO-0000oJa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 06:55 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:54:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.55425.0> References: <<199704110248.VAA19292@smtp.gte.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Michael Hinckley wrote: > > Hello Lee, > > We are up in Clearwater- I didn't know about this "Fused Glass" news > letter. What studio is it? Are there any other hot glass studios in the > Tampa Bay area. (We know about Susan Gott and Chuck Boux). > > Mike and Debbie > > ---------- > > From: leestat7 > > To: glass@bungi.com > > Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter > > Date: Thursday, April 10, 1997 7:57 PM > > > > Hi Mike S. > > > > Yes I belong-and just talked to Judy this morning. They are not "on > > line" They have their studios just a short distance north of Sarasota. > > Here is there phone #, you can phone them to get on the list. > > 941-792-3078 or fax 941-795-1576 They are teaching a fusing and > > enamels class at the AGSA June 25-27, Baltimore MD . They make > > beautiful Fused creations and use Dichroic glass too. Tell them if you > > call that I posted this, so they don't wonder where a bunch of calls are > > coming from all of a sudden. > > > > Lee Boe > > Rain-Boe's Creations > > > > M. Savad wrote: > > > > > > does anyone here belong to or know if "the fused art newsletter" is > > > online, i want to make sure i'm on the list, but i don't want to write > > > to them. > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass the newsletter has this address: Fused Fantasies 7416 8th Ave NW Bradenton, FL 34209 941-747-2041, 792-3078 fax 941-795-1576 ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 06:57:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFgpV-0000oia; Fri, 11 Apr 97 06:57 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: the fused art newsletter Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:56:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.55640.0> References: <<1997Apr11.15215.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mary J Austin wrote: > > Mike, > > I just checked my last newsletter and they only show the phone and fax > number. > 941-747-2041 792-3078 fax # is 941-795-1576 > or write to Fused Fantasies 7416 8th Ave. Bradenton, FL 34209 > Hope that helps. > Mary > > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:09:30 -0400 "M. Savad" writes: > >does anyone here belong to or know if "the fused art newsletter" is > >online, i want to make sure i'm on the list, but i don't want to write > >to them. > > > >---Mike Savad > > > >-- > >Mike's Stained Glass > >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 > > > >New Pages Added: > > > > - New Instructional Guides Added!!! > > - The Creative Process > > - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers > > - Picking Out Glass in the Store > > > > - Plus New Photos > > - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory > > - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory > > - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden > > > > - But That's Not All!!! > > - My Links Page is UP! > > - And Awards Page Too > >---- > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass problem is, i'm too lazy to do that. i was hoping they'd be online somewhere, and i can just re-give my address. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 06:59:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFgrW-0000kqa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 06:59 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Redware1 From: Redware1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr11.55928.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn, I am also on AOL and received my file fine on April 1. It was downloaded without a problem. Diane Zubrick Applecreek Pottery ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 07:13:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFh4d-0000haa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 07:13 PDT X-Path: mail.smu.edu!gshultz From: gshultz@mail.smu.edu (Gary Shultz) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:12:51 -0600 Message-ID: Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk For about the last three months, I have been experiencing continuing problems sending e-mail to AOL users, regardless of whether I included an attachment. As often as not, I have had to resend the message two or three times before it finally got through. I have noticed that the problem is particularly bad when I try to send the same message to three or more AOL users at once. =Gary ~(~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~)~ ~~~) Gary Shultz - SMU News and Information (~~~ ~~~~~( Tele. 214-768-7665 Fax: 214-768-7663 )~~~~~ ~~~~~~~)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(~~~~~~~ ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 08:35:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFiLW-0000rYa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 08:34 PDT X-Path: aol.com!WLester380 From: WLester380@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr11.73426.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Dawn - I am on AOL & received the file OK. Since the message was so long AOL only printed part of the file but allowed me to download the rest. Thanks again, Bill ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 09:53:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFjZJ-000010a; Fri, 11 Apr 97 09:52 PDT X-Path: das.honeywell.com!frank.lerner From: "Lerner, Frank M (NM75)" To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Those on AOL Who Requested File Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:53:09 -0600 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.4539.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello Bunigans Regarding AOL ... what's been happening recently is the creation of a new spam mailer that uses AOL as a connection site. It has essentially brought AOL to its' knees intermittently. So sometimes your mail will go through and sometimes it will not, depending on the spammers that are running. Frank everything below this line is from a previous message ... >---------- >From: WLester380@aol.com[SMTP:WLester380@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 9:34AM >To: glass@bungi.com >Subject: Re: Those on AOL Who Requested File > >Dawn - >I am on AOL & received the file OK. Since the message was so long AOL only >printed part of the file but allowed me to download the rest. >Thanks again, >Bill > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 15:39:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFoyE-0001BHa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 15:39 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Call for bids - glass painting Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:38:54 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.223854.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk We have a local church that needs a window repaired and has three pieces painted with Christ's face and hands. We would like to contract the painting, we can supply pre-cut glass pieces and we will glaze and install. Interested parties should respond directly to summit-stained-glass@worldnet.att.net, or call toll free 1-888-270-0037 and ask for Mike Peck. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 17:42:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFqt1-00016sa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 17:41 PDT X-Path: computer.net!alewis From: "Albert Lewis" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Call for bids - glass painting Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:48:32 +0000 Message-ID: <199704120041.UAA23376@ns.computer.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mike, You're right in the SGAA's back yard there, aren't you? And Dick Millard, one of their mainstays, is one of the best painters around. Do you have his number? Albert Albert Lewis, Executive Director International Guild of Glass Artists A 501(c)(6) nonprofit organization Tonetta Lake Road, Brewster NY 10509 _________________________________________________________ http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/ [home page] http://www.bungi.com/glass/igga/guide.htm [Sources Guide] ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 17:46:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFqxQ-0000jRa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 17:46 PDT X-Path: mail.nildram.co.uk!glass From: "Toby" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: computer generated heraldry Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:56:52 +0000 Message-ID: <199704120046.BAA20439@linux.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have watched this corespondence, during my "recovery" from Chartres. Coat of Arms is something I have been involved with on different and various levels. I have designed and made varios Coat of Arms of Towns in Europe; in deed I even made a prize-winning dual Coat of Arms for a town in England superimposed with a town in Hungary, that is now taking a pride of place in 2 town halls; I have made the insignia in stained glass of "The Mighty Eight" on their 50th Anniversery in Britain; I have also made the Swedish National Coat of Arms of the Three Crowns . Its a very challenging subject, especially if you deliberately chose NOT to paint and fire on glass, as I have done. My designs tend to be stylized and individual, yet nevertheless an honest interpretation of the subject. Would my input, ideas, interpretations help in any way?? I am slightly hesitant here, not knowing quite how you view the subject matter. Having my own style and interpretations. Let me know.... Can I help.....? What are you looking for...? Elisabeth 'n Toby you wrote: << I was wondering if any of the group knew of a computer program which generated coats of arms >> No but it is a great idea. You might try some of the large internet, shareware sites. I would search on items like "software & heraldry" etc. ---- ---- As my grandmother said "...there is only nobility of mind" North Lights Stained Glass - homepage http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/kris/northlights/index.htm ---- ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 20:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFtrZ-0000twa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:52 PDT X-Path: netzone.com!lorley From: Lorley L Oneyear To: glass@bungi.com Subject: cutter Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970411205100.006ae270@pop.netzone.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hello gang, I use a glass cutter that is shaped like a pencil. Oil is dropped into the middle of the "pencil". I store my cutter in a plastic toothbrush holder and place it vertically in a large cup. I noticed last week that the oil had all flowed out. Should I store the cutter horizontally? The "eraser" top has a small screw with a small round rubber gasket type thing around it. Am I supposed to tighten that down? Would that have prevented the oil from seeping out?? Also, how far do I untighten the "eraser" when I am cutting?? No one ever explained the how to's of that little set screw. Thanks, Lorley in Phoenix ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 20:58:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFtwH-0000ysa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 20:57 PDT X-Path: ntsource.com!nero From: "Frank Nero" To: Subject: Gatewayed mail message Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:57:14 -0500 Message-ID: <199704120357.DAA25888@ntsource.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk please take my name off the list thank you fj nero ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 22:03:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFux8-0001Iia; Fri, 11 Apr 97 22:02 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: "Lorley L. Oneyear" Subject: Re: cutter Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 22:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: <199704120502.WAA29774@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- If it is indeed a toyo pencil cutter (note: not used for cutting pencils), the screw on the top is slightly loosened to allow the oil( of which I do not do) to flow liberally onto the glass. The screw has a flat side that allows air to force the oil down the wick in the cutter head and onto the wheel and finally all over the glass. Yes the screw on top should be tightened and perhaps, store the cutter with the wheel up. If you are not using the cutter for a long time, a piece of cloth or felt can be wrapped around the head to stop the wheel from rusting. I get a lot of use from my toyo cutters ( I etch the date on the head) and keep two different heads on two different cutters as well as the same configuration for the pistol grips as well. It is not uncommon to get a few years from the heads, which includes abuse from my beginning students. The F/Terrys do not track on the straight edges as well and I have gotten used to the toyos. enjoy.........H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Fri Apr 11 22:37:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wFvUh-0000gUa; Fri, 11 Apr 97 22:36 PDT X-Path: softcom.net!drink From: Medic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: No Messages For A Few Days Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:37:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.153735.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Have I been dropped from your mail list? The reason I ask is that I have not recieved any messages for several days. Any help would be nice. TIA David -- "May GOD stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk." Old Egyptian Prayer ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 12 07:53:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wG4Aj-000130a; Sat, 12 Apr 97 07:52 PDT X-Path: worldnet.att.net!summit-stained-glass From: Mike Peck To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Call for bids - glass painting Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:52:49 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr12.145249.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 08:48 PM 4/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Mike, > >You're right in the SGAA's back yard there, aren't you? And Dick >Millard, one of their mainstays, is one of the best painters around. >Do you have his number? > >Albert > Albert, SGAA is only 5 blocks up the street from us........In fact, Katy and I are always dropping off mail that was delivered to the wrong address. I did look in SGAA Magazine and Common Ground for someone local before I decided to post a note on bungi. I really need a professional for this one, which is why I didn't go with someone local. I'm not familiar with Dick Millard's work, but would be happy to contact him. I'll see Katy at SGAA later this pm and get his number ......... thanks for pointing him out! Mike ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 12 14:49:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGAeb-0000z3a; Sat, 12 Apr 97 14:48 PDT X-Path: cyberg8t.com!chick From: Carolyn Duncan To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Toyo cutters Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:48:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1997Apr11.134821.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have used a Toyo cutter for about 4 yrs. and I found that if you loosen the phillips screw and rotate the head 180 degrees then tighten the screw again the head becomes fixed. I have found that this gives me better control. For some reason I am unable to access the web page and most the time my messages have the old fatal error. I'm not with aol. Any ideas. I enjoy the discussion on all of the glass areas. I am just begining to do lamp work to create beads. My co-ordination is not the best yet. Carolyn ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sat Apr 12 15:54:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGBgU-00019Da; Sat, 12 Apr 97 15:54 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Call for bids - glass painting Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr12.14546.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Have you heard of "Creative Art Glass Enterprise"? The do standard glass painting as well as specialized work. Their brochures look quite impressive. You may contact them at l-800-255-2068 or call collect (804)525-6424 in Virginia. Good Luck! Eleanor (YEGNIM@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 06:00:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGOsE-00002xa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 05:59 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Looking for book-Elegant Lamps Volume 2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:55:34 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr13.45534.0> References: <<3.0.32.19970411205100.006ae270@pop.netzone.com>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone have a copy of "Elegant Lamps" Volume 2 they would like to part with?? I have Vol 1, and 3, but can't find Vol 2. It is still in print. The lamp designs are by Brian McMillan and Lucinda Doran, Published by Walrus Publications in Canada. My local glass shop is out and did not order more, maybe someone has a used one they could send me at a reasonable price? I am in the middle of making "Byron" the beautiful lamp on the cover of Vol. 1 Thanks for looking in your librarys- Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 07:22:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGQAA-0001Nfa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 07:21 PDT X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Looking for book-Elegant Lamps Volume 2/on line used books s Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:26:56 +0000 Message-ID: <199704131421.KAA20401@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk LeeStat7 asked: > Does anyone have a copy of "Elegant Lamps" Volume 2 they would like > to I don't, but this reminded me of a great resource I was pointed to recently: Powell's On Line Used Bookstore: http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/mk-search.pl I'm afraid they don't have either volume of ELEGANT LAMPS today, but I made a quick search for stained glass and found 143 titles. I just ordered five books from them on mosaics, too, at great prices! There are other used bookstores on line, too. I don't have the URLs handy. I hope this is helpful to someone. M.-J. Taylor Although we cannot change the direction of the wind, we can adjust our sails. (Unknown) |\ ( ) _____________________________________________|_\_____________________ ----- -_-_ -- - - ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 08:12:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGQx1-00006ua; Sun, 13 Apr 97 08:12 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: stepping stone forms Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr13.7126.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well I think I may have found a cheaper source for hex and circular stepping stone forms. The place is about an hour from my home & I am making a trip there tommorow morning. The price is $14, & 12, respectively(at retail). I will let you all know what I find and wether they are the same as Tiff Garden, if they will sell whosale, and if they do mail order(if not I may be able to ship some out since even with shipping tjey are still less expensive. I searched for two days calling concrete places, lawn & gerden centers, etc. This place is a hardware store that caters to contractors down in Richmond. Wish me luck!!!! Krissy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 08:26:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGRAo-0000zLa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 08:26 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: stepping stone forms Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr13.72621.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well I think I may have found a cheaper source for hex and circular stepping stone forms. The place is about an hour from my home & I am making a trip there tommorow morning. The price is $14, & 12, respectively(at retail). I will let you all know what I find and wether they are the same as Tiff Garden, if they will sell whosale, and if they do mail order(if not I may be able to ship some out since even with shipping tjey are still less expensive. I searched for two days calling concrete places, lawn & gerden centers, etc. This place is a hardware store that caters to contractors down in Richmond. Wish me luck!!!! Krissy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 08:45:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGRSH-0001K9a; Sun, 13 Apr 97 08:44 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Looking for book-Elegant Lamps Volume 2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr13.74428.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk If you are not in too much of a hurry I may be able to order you one, I have a wholesale catalog or better yet, you can order it retail from Meredith Stained Glass. You can call them at (800) 966-6667 and mention that Eleanor from Eureka Glass sent you. It is listed in their catalog, so with luck, they may still have it. Good Luck! Eleanor (yegnim@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 09:29:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGS9K-0000fAa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 09:29 PDT X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: re: stepping stone forms Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <199704131629.MAA24118@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Good luck, Krissy and god bless you. M.-J. Krissy wrote: > Well I think I may have found a cheaper source for hex and circular > stepping stone forms. Wish me luck!!!! Krissy ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 14:52:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGXCQ-0000fYa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 14:52 PDT X-Path: aol.com!KrissyMar From: KrissyMar@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr13.135228.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Well, here I am picking your brains again. I would really like to know what you all would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass. Have any ideas or visions? Any thing you have really disliked about a store you have been in? And no, we can not give all the glass away for free! :) Anything you would like to see? Let me know, I am looking for ideas & insights as I set my business plan in motion. Thanking you in advance...............Kristina PS you can post to Bungi or email me at krissymar@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 16:12:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGYR6-000018a; Sun, 13 Apr 97 16:11 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:10:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr13.151040.0> References: <<1997Apr13.135228.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk KrissyMar@aol.com wrote: > > Well, here I am picking your brains again. I would really like to know what > you all would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass. Have any ideas > or visions? Any thing you have really disliked about a store you have been > in? And no, we can not give all the glass away for free! :) > Anything you would like to see? Let me know, I am looking for ideas & > insights as I set my business plan in motion. Thanking you in > advance...............Kristina > PS you can post to Bungi or email me at krissymar@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass i like it to have everything i'd need, in maybe a few different flavors. like my old store only sold one kind of patina, and i always wanted to try the other's but he never had it. a good color selection, colors i've always wanted (that they make, not the wishfull ones) would be: colored mirror, like red, orange, yellow, etc. a good variety of irridescents, like i've only seen uroboros irr., once i'd love to see more. i've also heard youg. also makes some, but i never saw it. a good selection of art glass, ripple, fipple, fibroid, etc. filligree at a good price. the store i have to go to now sells their filligree at one set price 45 cents; which is a good price for the larger stuff like dragonflies, but for little butterflies it's a little pricey. scrap for a good price always atracts me. my old store sold it at 50 cents a pound, a good price, but a poor selection, generally 'common' glass. $2.00 a pound, was at another store, but their was antique and art glass mixed in. and the current store, is also at about $2.00 a pound but i don't get to select each piece, their all pre-boxed, though still a good selection; but i would have to buy it $15.00 at a time. a wide variety of books, and always keeping up with the new ones. my old store, i usaully had to ask for it. i personally like thumbing through it before i buy. it's nice to be able to get a new book every so often. that stained glass news, i wish there was a store closer to me that had it. intresting things, like dalle glass, or odd gems, etc. the store near me runs seperate workshops, like for xmas season, you can rent out some time to work on your projects so there are'nt any prying eyes. demonstrations on new tools, and free workshops of how to use them. this is, anyway, what they do, most of the stuff i already know so i never been to them. they also have a garage sale every so often. where they sell the odd glass no-one bought, odd shaped bevels, etc. i usaully go to the store just for that. a feature i've always liked is being able to buy just a section of glass. like if i need a 8x12 of red, and the smallest sheet was 18x24, they'd cut it up sell you what you needed, and you never felt as if you had to buy the whole thing. i'm sure i'll probably add to this, but that's all i can think of now... ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 18:08:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGaF4-00005Ua; Sun, 13 Apr 97 18:07 PDT X-Path: nettally.com!sford From: sford@nettally.com (Steven Ford) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr13.17825.0> References: <<199704040101.UAA10714@gate.usaor.net>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: nettally.com Precedence: bulk Mary Ann Dulemba wrote: > > Please include me in the stepping stones/mosaics info also. Thank you. > > ---------- > > From: karenro > > To: 'glass@bungi.com' > > Subject: RE: Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics > > Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 7:03 AM > > > > > > Dawn, > > > > I to would be interested in recieving the stepping stones/mosaics > > info from the archives.Thank you for sharing. > > > > Karen Roberts > > >karenro@newpig.com > > > > > >Charles, Diane, Mary, Tomi, Meg, Mary Archibald, Carol, Scott, and > > >Jane, > > > > > >First of all, I apologize for posting this to the entire group, but I > > >wan= > > >t to make sure I do not inadvertently leave someone out who > > >corresponded = > > >with me regarding my file on stepping stones and mosaics. > > > > > >I have sent each of you listed above an ASCII text file of all the > > >notes = > > >on stepping stones and mosaics that I pulled off of the archives. This > > >= > > >includes all archives on the site (from inception of Bungi through the > > >= > > >end of February, 1997--March's were not posted yet). If you for some > > >rea= > > >son do not get my message, please let me know. > > > > > >Darlene and M.J., will you please send me your e-mail addresses and I > > >wil= > > >l send it to you also? If there is anyone else who requested it and I > > >= > > >overlooked their request, please be sure to let me know. > > > > > >Dawn > > > > > >---- > > >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > > > > ---- > > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass Thanks for your time in compiling this info. I'd really appreciate a copy. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 20:31:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGcU5-0000dYa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 20:31 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Redware1 From: Redware1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr13.19316.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I am a beginner in stained glass, but not in the art field ( I am a potter). I finally found a store that has a good selection of glass in square feet sections that I can look through easily. This owner has more of the same glass in the larger sheets if needed. He has a large variety of different glass manufacturers and they are all marked on the sheet along with the number and the price. The big thing is that he leaves me alone to look through the smaller sheets and I can pull them out of the slots and look at them. I have gone into several stores where there is a single owner and they always want to stand there and talk while I look through the glass. I have learned so much being able to browse and get a feel for the glass. Diane Zubrick Redware Pottery ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Sun Apr 13 21:35:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGdU7-0000xHa; Sun, 13 Apr 97 21:35 PDT X-Path: bridge.net!athena From: "M.-J." To: glass@bungi.com Subject: (Fwd) Re: PLEASE HELP FORWARD TO OTHER LISTS Summary: Authenticated sender is Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: <199704140435.AAA14462@brickell.bridge.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Fellow Bungians, I forward this at the request of the Appalachian Center for the Arts, which is experiencing serious funding problems. I checked to be sure that they do workshops in glass before honoring their request to forward this to the arts discussions groups I belong to. I hope this is an appropriate post. It feels right to me to let anyone who is concerned with art and art education know that a valuable resource is endangered. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Vince Pitelka Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP FORWARD TO OTHER LISTS THE APPALACHIAN CENTER FOR CRAFTS NEEDS YOUR HELP. The future of our facility and programs is seriously threatened, and we may disappear altogether unless we can influence the state legislature to set up alternate funding for our programs. Please read the following and write to the listed addresses in support of the Appalachian Center for Crafts. We greatly appreciate any help you are able to give us right now. Time is of the essence, so please act quickly on this. Feel free to email me with any questions or suggestions. SO WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT? Due to recent funding cuts at Tennessee Technological University, the future of the Appalachian Center for Crafts has been placed in serious jeopardy. It is doubly sad that this should happen now, as we currently have the largest enrollments in the 17-year history of the facility. We are one of the premier academic craft-studio programs in the country, committed to professional fine craft education and the ongoing evolution of fine craft media. The Center was built in 1979 with the largest federal grants ever allocated for the fine crafts, and was intended to serve the people of Tennessee and the Nation. If this facility closes, it will be a serious loss to the future of fine craft. Some very positive things have happened since this crisis began almost a year ago. We have managed to maintain our enrollment despite forcasts of doom by the Tennessee Tech administration. We have formed FACCT, The Friends of the Appalachian Center for Crafts, a nonprofit organization devoted to the support and preservation of programs at the Craft Center. Email me if you would like to receive membership information. FACCT is currently aggressively lobbying state politics, and is beginning to organize fundraising efforts. A little bit about the Center: The Appalachian Center for Crafts is part of the Art Department at Tennessee Technological University, and is located sixty miles east of Nashville in central Tennessee, on a wilderness tract overlooking Center Hill Lake. The Center is one of the finest facilities in the country devoted entirely to professional fine craft education, with studio concentrations in clay, glass, wood, fibers, and metals. We offer the BFA degree, one-year and two-year professional craft certificates, portfolio development opportunities, and an extensive summer workshop program. The facility includes sales and exhibition galleries, cafe, supply store, audiovisual facilities, conference rooms, and dormitory apartments. The ceramics facility includes more than 10,000 square feet of studio space, with a large roofed kiln area outside. Kilns include standard gas and electric, wood, salt, soda, sagger, and raku, plus facilities for sawdust and bonfire processes. The state of Tennessee is experiencing a budget crunch, and the Craft Center could become a victim. Fine craft is alive and well in the Mid-South region, and Kentucky and North Carolina have recognized that the fine crafts and cultural tourism have a very significant and growing economic impact. Tennessee is missing the boat, and the precarious situation at the Appalachian Center for Crafts is hard evidence. You can help. IT IS ESPECIALLY CRITICAL THAT WE INFLUENCE THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE NOW, AS THEY ARE MAKING THEIR BUDGET DECISIONS. This budget session could make or break us. Please send letters to the addresses below and voice your support for the Craft Center and the importance of fine craft in America. If you are within Tennessee, write to your own legislators as well. If you are outside of Tennessee, please affirm that the Appalachian Center for Crafts is known throughout the nation, and attracts lots of positive attention and TOURIST DOLLARS to the state of Tennessee. Governor Don Sundquist, Tennessee State Capitol, Nashville, TN 37243 615/741-2001, dsundquist@mail.state.tn.us Dr. Charles Smith, Chancellor, Tenn. Board of Regents, 1415 Murfreesboro Rd. Nashville, TN 37217, 615/366-4400 Lt. Governor John Wilder, #1 Legislative Plaza, Nashville, TN 37243 State Rep. Jere Hargrove, 310 E. Broad St., Cookeville, TN 38501 615/526-2223 Jimmy Naifeh, Speaker of the House, #19 Legislative Plaza, Nashville, TN 37243 Dr. Angelo Volpe, President, Tennessee Tech. Univ., Cookeville, TN 38505 615/372-3241 Feel free to email me if you have any questions or comments. And THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for your efforts in our behalf. - Vince Vince Pitelka - vpitelka@DeKalb.net Phone - home 615/597-5376, work 615/597-6801 Appalachian Center for Crafts 1560 Craft Center Drive, Smithville TN 37166 ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 03:49:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGjKD-00015Ya; Mon, 14 Apr 97 03:49 PDT X-Path: larc.nasa.gov!s.s.conover From: Stephanie Conover To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Looking for book-Elegant Lamps Volume 2 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970414064910.1a9f6f40@express.larc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi lee, Don't have volume 2 of elegant lamps, but I am getting ready to make the Byron for my first lamp project. How did you find it? It looks a bit intimidating to a new lampmaker!! S. C. >Does anyone have a copy of "Elegant Lamps" Volume 2 they would like to >part with?? I have Vol 1, and 3, but can't find Vol 2. It is still in >print. The lamp designs are by Brian McMillan and Lucinda Doran, >Published by Walrus Publications in Canada. My local glass shop is out >and did not order more, maybe someone has a used one they could send me >at a reasonable price? I am in the middle of making "Byron" the >beautiful lamp on the cover of Vol. 1 >Lee Boe >Rain-Boe's Creations >---- >For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com >To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com >Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass > > ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 07:00:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGmIn-00014aa; Mon, 14 Apr 97 07:00 PDT X-Path: busprod.com!artist From: artist@busprod.com (LJ Maas) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:03:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970414090356.006886b0@busprod.com> References: <<1997Apr13.135228.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk >Well, here I am picking your brains again. I would really like to know what >you all would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass... I think something I would greatly appreciate would be clearly marked prices in regards to glass. The store I frequent now sells glass by the pound. They have a price list they consult when weighing that has the different types and colors...only problem is it's not posted anywhere! I realize prices change, but I'd really like to, at least, have an estimate of what the glass might cost me before I get my heart set on it. The other "wish" would be for a large studio area to hold classes! **************************************************************** LJ Maas: artist@busprod.com ART WITH ATTITUDE Stained Glass Design "Unique Stained Glass Creations" OVER THE RAINBOW Webpage Design & Consulting ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 07:29:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGmkn-00005ea; Mon, 14 Apr 97 07:29 PDT X-Path: alison.sbc.edu!melinton From: melinton@alison.sbc.edu To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:22:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <<1997Apr13.135228.0>>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I'd like to see unusual glass--stuff you can't get mail order--from smaller glass makers. One day classes would be very attractive. It would be cool to have "sample cutters" you could try before buying. --Liz You only need two things in life; WD-40 to make things go faster & duct tape to make them stop. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 09:42:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGopb-0000uAa; Mon, 14 Apr 97 09:42 PDT X-Path: home.com!leestat7 From: leestat7 To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Byron Lamp Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:38:31 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr14.83831.0> References: <<2.2.16.19970414064910.1a9f6f40@express.larc.nasa.gov>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: @Home Network Precedence: bulk Hi Stephanie, It is not too hard, follow the directions in the book, and in addition, before starting to foil, stack each shape of glass components to make sure they are all identical. If not grind them till they are. And double check the bevels. The ones I get from Glass Crafters are all identical in size, but not all bevels are so exact. Use either the 'scoreboard' or Morton system to make sure your cuts are as close as possible. I quote the beveling instructions for panel lamps that Don answered Jack Kuhn posted March 19th,at the end of this post. You will find the slight bevel on the sides that join the panels will be helpful. Also the Lamp positioner from Emerald Rainbow or the 'Lamp Clamp' I find helpful. I am just starting to foil this project (it is for me, so it gets put aside when I have customer orders) Lee Boe Rain-Boe's Creations Stephanie Conover wrote: > > Hi lee, Don't have volume 2 of elegant lamps, but I am getting ready to make > the Byron for my first lamp project. How did you find it? It looks a bit > intimidating to a new lampmaker!! > S. C. I should have said to grind the angle to coincide with the number of sides,as 45 for 4 sides, 22and 1/2 for 8 , 11 and 1/4 for 12 (degrees that is) i hope i didn't confuse you with my poor descriptions.Don On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:22:11 EST eldondo1@juno.com writes: >You will have a wide seam but try quik set solder and it should help >with >at least a nice rounded bead ,but larger than you would like. Next >time >bevel your panels on the inside 45degrees and the outside seam will be >much smaller .Don >On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:48:11 -0500 Wire Rat >writes: >>Could someone please help.I am constructing my first panel lamp and >>have >>a problem. >>Although the butt joints of the panels match each other nice and >>tight,I >>am having trouble getting a good solder joint in the gaps as the >>panels >>butt each other at an angle.I am using a lot of solder and I don't >>think >>that I will be able to acquire a nice finish bead.TIA >>-- >>Jack Kuhn >>wirerat@sprintmail.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 09:51:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGoxo-0000qVa; Mon, 14 Apr 97 09:50 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr14.85037.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have a catalogue which sells glass by the pound....and one that sells it by size.... I am puzzled by the pound method....why is it sold this way....I haven't ordered from the pounders as I am not sure how much to order.... any help from the experienced ones.... thanks maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 10:04:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGpB4-00000ya; Mon, 14 Apr 97 10:04 PDT X-Path: mail.fidnet.com!dawnm From: Dawn To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Archive Notes on Stepping Stones and Mosaics Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 10:55:37 PDT Message-ID: <1997Apr14.175537.0> References: <<1997Apr13.17825.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To Steve Ford, I would be glad to send you a copy of the file if you would please send me your e-mail address. Dawn dawnm@mail.fidnet.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 10:46:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGpp9-0000eia; Mon, 14 Apr 97 10:45 PDT X-Path: voyager.net!delphigl From: delphigl@voyager.net (Delphi Stained Glass) To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199704141741.NAA19104@vixa.voyager.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi All, >I have a catalogue which sells glass by the pound....and one that sells it >by size.... >I am puzzled by the pound method....why is it sold this way....I haven't >ordered from the pounders as I am not sure how much to order.... any help >from the experienced ones.... The reason you find some glasses sold by the pound is because this is the way that the some glass manufacturers sell it. The manufacturers that immediately come to mind are Bullseye and Chicago Art Glass. For the purpose of our catalog, we have converted the glass to approximate sizes and sell it by the measurements instead to help lessen confusion. I hope that this helps clear up some of the confusion. Stephanie Delphi Stained Glass ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 13:12:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGs6l-0000xWa; Mon, 14 Apr 97 13:12 PDT X-Path: mwt.net!alcamoz From: "len alcamo" To: Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:16:48 -0500 Message-ID: <199704142011.PAA01280@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk ---------- > I am puzzled by the pound method....why is it sold this way.... Generally handcast glass which is most often single rolled, will not be as uniform in thickness as the mass produced product such as Spectrum or Kokomo. Pricing by the pound more accurately reflects the amount of material in each sheet of this type of glass. If you want the really cool glass, buy the stuff thats sold by the pound. ;-) A pound of glass is usually less then a sq. ft. Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 14:18:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGt8m-0001Eia; Mon, 14 Apr 97 14:18 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:16:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr14.131659.0> References: <<1997Apr14.85037.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Mosfunland@aol.com wrote: > > I have a catalogue which sells glass by the pound....and one that sells it > by size.... > I am puzzled by the pound method....why is it sold this way....I haven't > ordered from the pounders as I am not sure how much to order.... any help > from the experienced ones.... > thanks > maureen > mosfunland@aol.com > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass it might have something to do with thickness, and maybe materials. like drapery glass, has like twice the amount of glass in it, then a normal sheet. mainly the art glass is sold that way, i guess it's just easier for that company. ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 16:32:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGvE6-000125a; Mon, 14 Apr 97 16:31 PDT X-Path: juno.com!cubacigrco From: cubacigrco@juno.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:59:01 PST Message-ID: <1997Apr13.18591.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I have had friends and heard many more success stories about the use of vitamin B6 in frequent doses for the relief of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Someone even avoided surgery by using B6 for about two weeks. I'm sure someone at your local natural food store would be able to give more specifics as to doses as it depends on your weight, severity of problem, etc. Michele ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 18:09:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGwk1-0000pca; Mon, 14 Apr 97 18:09 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: computer generated heraldry Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr14.17854.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-11 21:07:29 EDT, you write: << Its a very challenging subject, especially if you deliberately chose NOT to paint and fire on glass, >> So many projects, so little time. I would be interested in your techniques and strategy. Do you implement the various heraldic devices using glass only? For example, we have an elephant and a lion's head on our coat of arms. It would seem problematical to do a small coat of arms without painting. For a large project, how do you avoid large areas of plain glass, coupled with smaller more intense areas containing various devices. Congratulations on your awards, I'll bet your work in this area is impressive. ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 18:10:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGwkB-0000pka; Mon, 14 Apr 97 18:09 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr14.1794.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-13 17:54:03 EDT, you write: << Well, here I am picking your brains again. I would really like to know what you all would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass. Have any ideas or visions? Any thing you have really disliked about a store you have been in? And no, we can not give all the glass away for free! :) >> I think a successful store should offer lots of workshops, events and lessons at a reasonable cost. These kind of events create new customers and keep existing customers interested. Look at the interest in mosaic and pavers over the last 2 years. While cost of inventory is a business concern, good selection across color and price is important. Price should be clearly marked or communicated. Avoid ripping off your customers, we have several stores in our area which charge outrageous prices for common items, eg $11 sq ft for cathedral glass, $9 for a 1 lb roll of solder. I've found I can't patronize these stores because their prices are so outrageous. If I were writing a business plan, I would price around 10% to 20% over the large mail order houses. (As a consumer, I understand some of the challenges with be a stained glass retailer so I willing to pay more for retail service and advice, on the other hand, I won't pay unreasonable prices.) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 18:41:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGxFB-00015ha; Mon, 14 Apr 97 18:41 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr14.17413.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-14 21:05:02 EDT, you write: << I have a catalogue which sells glass by the pound....and one that sells it by size.... I am puzzled by the pound method....why is it sold this way....I haven't ordered from the pounders as I am not sure how much to order.. >> I did some elaborate price comparison between Whitemore-Durgin and Delphi. Delphi sells by size, W-D by the pound. I converted pounds to square feet to get a price per square foot. Also converting Delphi sheets to price per sq foot. In any case, a pound of glass is around .67 or 2/3s of a square foot. Good Luck! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 19:18:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGxoY-0000vTa; Mon, 14 Apr 97 19:17 PDT X-Path: aol.com!JJKIRBY From: JJKIRBY@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr14.181741.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-04-14 21:05:02 EDT, you write: << I have a catalogue which sells glass by the pound....and one that sells it by size.... I am puzzled by the pound method....why is it sold this way....I haven't ordered from the pounders as I am not sure how much to order.. >> I did some elaborate price comparison between Whitemore-Durgin and Delphi. Delphi sells by size, W-D by the pound. I converted pounds to square feet to get a price per square foot. Also converting Delphi sheets to price per sq foot. In any case, a pound of glass is around .67 or 2/3s of a square foot. Good Luck! ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 20:07:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGyZ3-00018ja; Mon, 14 Apr 97 20:05 PDT X-Path: voicenet.com!hilary From: "Hilary A. Bobker" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:06:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1997Apr14.2266.0> References: <<1997Apr13.135228.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: HABit Fashion Services Precedence: bulk > ...would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass. The perfect store: 1. All the help would be knowledgeable about the craft and generous with their knowledge. 2. There would be a wide assortment of glass, tools, and accessories. 3. Tools would all be try before you buy. 4. There would be lots of options of classes for length and skill level. 5. It would be clean and organized and merchandise easily seen. 6. The customers would be treated like valued patrons, not irritants that are breaking up your day. Does this list sound really specific? Well, I shopped for a year at the local stained glass store. It was a real challange to "support your local retailer." The store was truly dirty and very disorganized. The staff ranged from helpful to downright surly. But they had a nice selection of glass and it was close to work so I could run over during lunch. In a story way too long and boring for this forum, I vowed to never spend another penny in the store. (This is after spending over a $1000 myself and bringing in another 4-5 people who spent close to that.) At about that time, I found Warner-Crivellaro and I left hell and landed in heaven. W-C answers all the above criteria except the classes. Instead, they have free demos every Saturday where every question you come up with is answered. I don't know how far away from Allentown, PA you are, but it would be worth a trip for a look-see. Good luck. Hilary ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Mon Apr 14 20:46:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wGzC2-000126a; Mon, 14 Apr 97 20:46 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Mosfunland From: Mosfunland@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr14.194555.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk .....and the perfect stained glass store always seems to have something that catches my significant others attention, while I indulge myself...our treks up the turnpike to Warner-Criv are worth every minute of travel. I agree with Hilary on all the points she made. Maureen mosfunland@aol.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 04:28:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wH6Om-0001P3a; Tue, 15 Apr 97 04:27 PDT X-Path: monmouth.com!clambert From: CRZKT To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:27:52 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr15.32752.0> References: <<1997Apr14.2266.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Organization: Enchanted Glass Precedence: bulk Hilary A. Bobker wrote: > > > ...would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass. > > > > Does this list sound really specific? Well, I shopped for a year at the > local stained glass store. It was a real challange to "support your > local retailer." I vowed to > never spend another penny in the store. At about that time, I found Warner-Crivellaro and I left hell and > landed in heaven. W-C answers all the above criteria except the classes. > Instead, they have free demos every Saturday where every question you > come up with is answered. I don't know how far away from Allentown, PA > you are, but it would be worth a trip for a look-see. > Two comments... Dont gouge your customers. When I started in working with glass I blindly bought from the one store I knew existed in my area. Several months later I found other stores and found out much to my chagrin that I had been an idiot for paying 9 dollars a pound for solder(50/50) and 10 dollars a "hobby sheet" (theirs was smaller than a square foot) for water glass. Being the friendly person that I am, I stopped in and told the proprietor during a Saturday afternoon when the store was full. I also gave out printed directions to the other stores in the area. I have a sense of fair play that if I feel is violated, I will not patronize a store or craftsperson. Secondly Could you give me a number or address for Warner-Crivellaro? It is a hike for me, but for Sand G's I might give it a try this summer. thanks crzkt ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 05:24:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wH7H2-0000wja; Tue, 15 Apr 97 05:23 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr15.42342.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Maureen, Are you anywhere near Philadelphia? I am right outside Phila. and was wondering if I had a fellow Bungian as a neighbor. Eleanor (yegnim@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 05:29:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wH7Ma-0000zfa; Tue, 15 Apr 97 05:29 PDT X-Path: aol.com!StndGlass1 From: StndGlass1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr15.42923.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk To clarify a little bit, we sell our glass (unless full sheets) by the pound as well. In the long run it saves you money, and us a lot of time. When corners break off, or a piece breaks in shipment and ends up an odd shape, we would have to spend a good deal of time doing geometry if we sold by the sf. When we sell by the pound, you are only paying for what you are getting, no more no less, every time. It varies greatly from manufacturer to manufacturer, but a 1.5 pounds of glass is usually equal to about 1 sf. Jenna Meredith Meredith Stained Glass www.meredithglass.com In a message dated 97-04-14 22:46:54 EDT, you write: << Generally handcast glass which is most often single rolled, will not be as uniform in thickness as the mass produced product such as Spectrum or Kokomo. Pricing by the pound more accurately reflects the amount of material in each sheet of this type of glass. If you want the really cool glass, buy the stuff thats sold by the pound. ;-) A pound of glass is usually less then a sq. ft. >> ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 06:03:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wH7tG-0001DDa; Tue, 15 Apr 97 06:03 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Yegnim From: Yegnim@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: foiling machines Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr15.5312.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I plan to buy a foiling machine shortly. Problem is, I don't know whether to buy one that crimps or not. I like the idea of crimping to save time, however, what about those hard to crimp spots on many pieces? Can I adjust the machine so that it will not crimp certain sections of pieces? I really like the idea of the machine centering the foil on the piece. What about the ones that automatically peel off the backing paper? Any input would be appreciated since this is an investment of well over $20 or even over $30. I just want the right one and will pay extra as I do so much glass, I know I will get my money's worth out of the right machine. Eleanor (yegnim@aol.com) ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 06:16:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wH85m-000070a; Tue, 15 Apr 97 06:16 PDT X-Path: mail.bright.net!joyce From: glasschic To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: foiling machines Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970415091630.006b26f4@mail.bright.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk At 09:03 AM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >I plan to buy a foiling machine shortly. Problem is, I don't know whether to >buy one that crimps or not. I like the idea of crimping to save time, >however, what about those hard to crimp spots on many pieces? Can I adjust >the machine so that it will not crimp certain sections of pieces? I really >like the idea of the machine centering the foil on the piece. What about the >ones that automatically peel off the backing paper? Any input would be >appreciated since this is an investment of well over $20 or even over $30. I >just want the right one and will pay extra as I do so much glass, I know I >will get my money's worth out of the right machine. I use the Inland Edgemaster because it is cheaper than the other brand. This one does separate the backing from the foil, and crimps to a degree. I still have to go over the edges and burnish them down. I've found on tight curves and stuff that I don't want crimped, I can pull the glass away from the foiler and do that by hand, then reposition it on the foiler and continue on. I REALLY like my foiler, but I have sold the same foiler to students and they have never gotten the hang of it, so it does take some adjusting and practice. My advice to you is DO NOT MOUNT it on your main work table. I used some scrap lumber about 8"x8" and now I can move mine anywhere I want on my worktable. Garden of Glass Joyce Moran Send Bunginian Glass Atlas Patterns to Garden of Glass 501 N. Madriver St. Bellefontaine, OH 43311 or email joyce@mail.bright.net ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 07:56:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wH9dv-00004Ia; Tue, 15 Apr 97 07:55 PDT X-Path: nac.net!morn From: "M. Savad" To: glass@bungi.com Subject: Re: Your "perfect" s/g store Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:54:27 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr15.65427.0> References: <<1997Apr14.1794.0>> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk JJKIRBY@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-13 17:54:03 EDT, you write: > > << Well, here I am picking your brains again. I would really like to know > what > you all would consider your "perfect store" for stained glass. Have any > ideas > or visions? Any thing you have really disliked about a store you have been > in? And no, we can not give all the glass away for free! :) >> > > I think a successful store should offer lots of workshops, > events and lessons at a reasonable cost. These kind of events > create new customers and keep existing customers interested. > Look at the interest in mosaic and pavers over the last 2 years. > > While cost of inventory is a business concern, good selection > across color and price is important. Price should be clearly > marked or communicated. > > Avoid ripping off your customers, we have several stores in > our area which charge outrageous prices for common > items, eg $11 sq ft for cathedral glass, $9 for a 1 lb roll > of solder. I've found I can't patronize these stores because > their prices are so outrageous. If I were writing a business > plan, I would price around 10% to 20% over the large mail > order houses. > > (As a consumer, I understand some of the challenges with > be a stained glass retailer so I willing to pay more for retail > service and advice, on the other hand, I won't pay unreasonable > prices.) > > > > ---- > For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com > To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com > Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass that sounds alot like the prices they charge at pearl paint (i'm not sure how wide spread the store is). spectrum glass, 8x12 white plain solid, $10.00. solder around the same price. color choice is lousy. though once they messed up and put their prices by mistake. so i got 3 rolls of solder $2.00 per roll (wish i bought more), foil for 1.00, and patina for a 1.00. which is the only reason i walk through that isle, for price mess ups like that... :) ---Mike Savad -- Mike's Stained Glass http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1141 New Pages Added: - New Instructional Guides Added!!! - The Creative Process - How to Find Patterns for Suncatchers - Picking Out Glass in the Store - Plus New Photos - 5 New Pictures in the 3-D Catagory - 2 New Pictures in the Panel Catagory - Updated Shots of The Heart of Atlantis, and Japanese Garden - But That's Not All!!! - My Links Page is UP! - And Awards Page Too ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 08:33:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wHADs-00002Ra; Tue, 15 Apr 97 08:32 PDT X-Path: westbyserver.westby.mwt.net!alcamoz From: len alcamo To: glass@bungi.com Subject: cost of glass... was perfect s/g store Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:31:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <199704151531.KAA18033@westbyserver.westby.mwt.net> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Hi Bugians < (official?) I have been following with interest the discussion about *stores* and I'd like to add my 0.02 worth When I was a partner in a store front business we were primarily a commission studio with a retail area and I guess we did not cater to walk in sales which in most cases were a time consuming distraction. Profit was far greater building panels then selling glass cutters. Sure it wasn't fancey and probably a little dirty but the prices were good and we allowed customers to freely browse our glass inventory which was more extensive then most. If people were put off there was always the overpriced retailer in the mall, the choice was theirs. These are some of my observations on the effects of inflated glass pricing at the retail level. Having judged county fair glass exhibits I had the pleasure to see some very finely crafted glass work. In one case I awarded the blue to a perfectly contructed peony shade. The downside of the story is that it was built of the most common glasses that you could imagine, here is a woman that undoubtably spent many many hours building this lamp with run of the mill Spectrum because thats what she could afford and/or find available. I've run in to this situation a number of times and I think it's a shame. I asked her about it and she said that She Was Told the other glass was too hard to work with I told her that with her ability she could master cutting any glass. This leads me to my second point. I've always been fortunate to have access to the inventories of big studios or a wholesale account and felt that the cost of glass and waste was only a small factor in my cost of product. So I just cut the stuff up with abandon and sometimes would turn large pieces into scrap just to get at a section that was just right. When your paying on the average a couple of dollars a sq. ft. who cares. If you walk in to your FLGR and they price a piece of glass like it was a semi-precious gem well of course in order to protect your investment you think you need a cutting system and a grinding system and a breaking system and all the other thing-a-ma-jigs. So here you are spending money on stuff instead of glass. I really feel that the most valuable asset one can have is a big glass inventory. Well I guess it's just business as usual but I think overpriced glass really stifles the creative effort. Thanks for tolerating my ranting Len ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 09:34:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wHBBO-00005va; Tue, 15 Apr 97 09:34 PDT X-Path: teleport.com!weaver51 From: Elaine & Howard Rubin To: len alcamo Subject: Re: cost of glass... Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 09:33:31 -0500 Message-ID: <199704151634.JAA20191@kim.teleport.com> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Elaine & Howard Rubin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I concur........My beginning student learn by doing a small panel lamp with a generous allowance for mistakes. We use spectrum for the first one. Most students aspire to do a "Tiffany" and seem to find mine worthy of emulating. The cost of handmade art glass is only twice as much as the "cheap stuff".....6 asst sq/ft spectrum....around $50 6 asst sq/ft handmades..........$100 The labor is about the same for either...why not go "good". You learn by doing, so cut some handmades, start with easier cuts first. Short case in point....had a student who was meticulous....and painfully frugal..scrounged up what ever glass he could find that was cheaper than cheap or free, did impeccable work and had very poor looking lamps. He mused why my students work looked SO MUCH BETTER, even if the craftsmanship was not good (it is in the choice of glass). He would vow to let me pick the glass with no set price and just pay it....too many years of frugality (byb he was quite wealthy) and ALWAYS chickened out when the time came to pay up....and went back to routine. I do not recommend students try to cut panel lamps from handmade as it is difficult to cut 6 to 10 inch straight passes on both sides from art glass. I do not recommend using machine made for "art" lamps. enjoy.............H -- New lamps added: http://www.teleport.com/~cbs/howard/ 2/1/97 http://www.best.com/~cbs/howard E-Mail address is...weaver51@teleport.com ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 10:24:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wHBxJ-0000x1a; Tue, 15 Apr 97 10:23 PDT X-Path: aol.com!Redware1 From: Redware1@aol.com To: glass@bungi.com Subject: butterfly mold Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997Apr15.92341.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk I received my 24" butterfly mold for a stepping stone today. I was impressed that it came with a 2 sided page of instructions and suggestions. Also has a color sheet of finished butterfly stones. They suggest using wire and bar inside the concrete. Hopefully will be pouring one in a few weeks. Has anyone on the list made one yet? Any suggestions? Diane Zubrick Applecreek Pottery Centerville, Ohio ---- For subscription changes, please mail to: glass-request@bungi.com To send to the list, please mail to: glass@bungi.com Archives available at http://www.bungi.com/glass From owner-glass Tue Apr 15 10:45:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: by daver.bungi.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0wHCHW-0000yaa; Tue, 15 Apr 97 10:44 PDT X-Path: memach.com!lcbell From: Linda Campbell To: "'glass@bungi.com'" Subject: RE: Glass Atlas Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:42:20 -0400 Message-ID: <1997Apr15.94220.0> Reply-To: glass@bungi.com Precedence: bulk Glass Atlas Joyce, Here is my contribution to the Glass Atlas - Dreamcatcher. I hope some other novices in the group will not find it too primative. It is my first panel of any size and my first attempt a designing. 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